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Jay Dyer + Ubi Petrus Podcast!
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Ubi is here https://www.youtube.com/@ubipetrus3882 In a multifaceted interview, Jay Dyer initially explains his reasons for converting from Protestantism to Catholicism and then from Catholicism to Orthodox Christianity before delving into how he...
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- [00:00]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [00:39]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [01:08]
Danny
So, Jay Dyer, how you doing?
- [01:10]
Jay Dyer
I'm doing great. Glad to be in Vegas, having a lot of fun. We did multiple podcasts, but this was the one I'm looking forward to for sure. I enjoy the Hot Twins too.
- [01:17]
Danny
But yeah, it is a phenomenal honor to have you on. I can't thank you enough for, for coming on.
- [01:22]
Jay Dyer
Thank you.
- [01:23]
Danny
How was it with the Hodge twins?
- [01:25]
Jay Dyer
It was great. You never really know what to expect because they are kind of wild cards. You don't know what they're going to talk about. But I knew they were going to talk about Iran, Israel and Epstein files. So we spent, I think about an hour and a half just kind of going wild. But they also like race jokes, so I impersonate them, which they actually love. They laughed harder at that than anything else. You mean the Horror Twins? You don't think Islam is based on. Don't think Islam be. And I was like, you guys sound like Fat Albert. They thought that was funny.
- [01:55]
Danny
We have to link it in the video description.
- [01:57]
Jay Dyer
It went. It was. It was very serious, though. Like, it's like we're joking around. But we also got really deep into, like, why we do anything that BB wants, you know, pretty much.
- [02:06]
Danny
So unfortunately. So you are king of the ortho bros. You do geopolitical. You have Written scripts for television programs. You are a published author, you do comedy. What am I missing here?
- [02:27]
Jay Dyer
Debates, I guess, was the other thing that we actually accidentally fell into doing. And that was something that wasn't planned. There was an offer 10 years ago, hey, would you debate this atheist libertarian guy, Adam Kokesh? And I was like, yeah, sure, why not? And then it was, hey, will you debate this other atheist guy, JF Gary epi? Yeah, sure, why not? So that kind of just kicked off a snowball of offers. And I was always like, well, I don't want to say no, yeah, sure.
- [02:52]
Danny
So how, okay, so how did you first end up coming into the Orthodox church or coming across it? If we can just get the summary of that.
- [02:59]
Jay Dyer
So I remember I was raised Baptist. Wasn't super serious about it as a kid. But when I was in high school I got more interested in going to Bible studies and visiting with various denominations of friends, some of the Church of Christ charismatic churches, and even I think I went to the Catholic Church one time in high school. But I would say right around 1998, 99, I started noticing challenges on the Internet to Protestantism and Calvinism from Catholics. And I would go into like Yahoo Chat and instant messenger rooms and do you remember those rooms? And I would debate with the Roman Catholics in there, like haha, I'm going to own you Catholics. And I know that like they weren't known apologists, but they would oftentimes put quotes from the church fathers that I was like, wow, he really said that because as a Calvinist you, you think, oh, Augustine, he's one of us. Like he teaches Calvinism and here he is talking about baptismal regeneration, here he is talking about the Eucharist, he's a bishop, relics, all this kind of stuff. So I was really challenged early in about 1999, 2000 by a lot of Roman Catholics. And I wasn't ready to leave Protestantism yet. But that prompted me to get into debates. And so I listened to Dr. Greg Bonson debating a Roman Catholic named Jerry Mattatics. And that was a huge pivotal debate for me because I had all my faith in Bonson demolishing Mattatics in this debate. And turns out Mattatics did pretty good. He actually brought up some issues about tradition that I'd never heard. And so that kind of got me wondering about Catholic church history. And I remember I bought a Roman Catholic catechism because I was curious what they actually say. Then I realized I'm gonna have to buy the Church Fathers because I need that set. It was only a thousand dollars back in 2001.
- [04:49]
Danny
It's a lot more.
- [04:51]
Jay Dyer
I think it's 2 or 3,000 now. But I bought the Philip Shaft set for my. Use my Christmas and birthday money to buy it back in, I think, 2001. So I just started plowing through the Latin Church fathers because I thought, well, I don't know anything about Eastern fathers, but I know about Jerome. I know about St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, Cyprian. I'm going to start with those guys. So I started plowing through it. And I was taking some correspondence classes at the time from Bonson's. He had his own sort of study center, Southern California center for Christian Studies is what it was called. So I was studying like, presuppositional apologetics, transcendental argument, all that kind of stuff. And I'm noticing like, man, all of these Latin Church fathers that I held in high regard. They're straight up teaching Catholic stuff.
- [05:33]
Danny
Yeah.
- [05:34]
Jay Dyer
So it was a real crisis of faith at the time. And I ended up becoming Roman Catholic in 2003. Entered into the Novus Ordo, went to the Novus Ordo consistently for about a year. And then somebody left a Latin Mass magazine on a pew one time, and I started reading it. I was like, what's this Latin Mass? That's crazy. So then I realized, oh, there's a whole traditional movement within the Roman Catholic world. And that introduced me to the FSSP and the sspx. And so I found a Latin Mass, bought a missile, and started going to the Latin Mass pretty consistently for seven or eight years.
- [06:07]
Danny
Wow.
- [06:07]
Jay Dyer
And I would have to drive to Memphis or Nashville from where I lived. It was about two hours on Sunday to go to Latin Mass. And after a while, it was just like, I was super devoted to Thomas. I'm super devoted to. I didn't want to be a monk, but I was like, I really wanted to take this. This seriously. And I. I did inquire one time about monastic life, and the dude was so gay that I was like. He was like, what. What has you interested in monastic life? I think he was hitting on me. And I was like, no, I'm straight, dude. And he's, oh, this is probably not for you.
- [06:43]
Danny
Oh, really? That's what he said.
- [06:45]
Jay Dyer
It was the Dios, the. The diocesan spiritual advisor from Memphis. Super, totally gay. And so that really turned me off. I was like, dude, this is not what I want. And the trad world is very chaotic. There's not a lot of monastic options in the traditional Catholic world. So I just Kind of put all that aside. And about 2007, I was introduced to Orthodoxy online through Facebook debates. I'd heard of Perry Robinson, I'd read some of the blog, but there was a guy named Jonathan that was on. Jonathan Kaponik was a buddy of mine on Facebook. And I think he had converted from Calvinism to Orthodoxy and I had gone from Calvinism to Rome. And so we were having all these debates and discussions and these guys started bringing up good questions, you know, good things I'd never considered. I'd not actually read Eastern Fathers because I think when you go from Protestant to Catholic, as most people do nowadays when they do that, they just think, oh, well, those Eastern Fathers are cool. But it's all about Augustine, it's about Anselm, it's about Aquinas, the A's. Right, the three A's. And, you know, we don't really need to worry about those Eastern dudes. But wait a minute, aren't all the councils Eastern? Yeah, I mean, maybe I should read these guys who are doing the theology of the original language for the most part. Well, I don't know the language.
- [08:08]
Danny
I mean, I mean, they're doing it in Greek.
- [08:10]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, in Greek.
- [08:11]
Danny
They're doing.
- [08:11]
Jay Dyer
Not lat.
- [08:12]
Danny
They're not working from translations of the Bible. They're working from the actual text.
- [08:16]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. And I remember I read a lot of Augustine. I was super devoted when I became Roman Catholic. I took his name in Chrismation. He's a reception.
- [08:26]
Danny
He's a wonderful saint.
- [08:27]
Jay Dyer
But what I had done was just sort of defaulted, as many Protestants do, even the Reformation guys, they all just defaulted to the Augustinian views on Trinity or anything created grace. So I just again, after reading Anti Donuts, all the Anti Donuts works, read all the City of God, read all the Anti Pelagian works, a lot of the, you know, enchiridion, all that kind of stuff. And I never. I read most of. On the Trinity. It's massive. I read most of it as a Protestant or as a Catholic, and I just defaulted to thinking that, well, this is. This is it. This is how you explain the Trinity. But it was only when I got into Orthodox critiques that it even ever occurred to me that he might have gotten some things wrong. So I grappled with that for a couple years. That was a really difficult thing to let go of because I think my personality, especially my 20s, I have a tendency to really have hero figures. And you don't want to see. You don't want to see any flaws in your Hero figures. But over time, the more I read the Capadocians, the more I read Saint Maximus Confessor, Kind of gradually here and there, I started realizing this is a different model of the Trinity. It's a different model of grace. And that was huge for me. I was kind of left aimless for a little while. A few years. In 2007, I actually went through the Orthodox catechumenate, and I didn't join. I was like, I'm not ready. I'm still super Thomistic, super Augustinian, not ready to make that leap yet. And I actually think that was the right choice, because if you still have all that baggage of Western theology, you're going to want to try to make Orthodoxy Latin.
- [10:01]
Danny
Yes.
- [10:01]
Jay Dyer
And you need to. It takes time to kind of cleanse a lot of that, a lot of those presuppositions.
- [10:07]
Danny
Yeah.
- [10:07]
Jay Dyer
And so anyway, long story short, I didn't end up marrying the girl. We were both going to become Orthodox and we went through the catechumen and we're going to get married. And we ended up not doing that. And I just kind of wasn't sure for several years. So I. I didn't go back to the Novus Ordo. I was just kind of like, well, I'm not going to be Protestant. I'm not ready for Orthodoxy, not going to Rome or trad stuff anymore. So I just was kind of in limbo. And that was about, I don't know, five or six years. And then around 2014, 13, 14, I started gradually reading more Orthodox stuff again, started talking to some Orthodox friends again on Twitter or on Facebook and stuff. And I got really sick, actually had two bad cases of pneumonia. And, I mean, I wasn't dying, but it was, like, sick enough that I felt like a taste of death.
- [11:00]
Danny
Yeah.
- [11:00]
Jay Dyer
And that was a huge, kind of like, spank, I guess you could say chastisement. To make me think maybe I need to actually get my life in order. You know what I mean? And so I quit drinking. I wasn't an alcoholic, but I think I could have been because I drank a lot and I felt like it's ruining my gut. You know, I'm super sick. I just need to make some changes.
- [11:21]
Danny
And. And how old are you at this point, roughly?
- [11:24]
Jay Dyer
This was 2012. 13. So I would have. This is 12 years ago. So I would have been in my mid-30s. So mid-30s. Started going, visiting some Orthodox churches locally. Had an old friend, actually, that used to go to my Calvinist church who had become an Antiochian priest.
- [11:43]
Danny
Oh.
- [11:43]
Jay Dyer
And he Ended up actually being at the local Antiochian church. That was an hour from me. An old friend of mine that I was high school with, who's an Antiochian priest, so props to Father Matthew Snowden. And so I went, met with him and we, we talked and we had, you know, some good inquiry discussions. And I was like, yeah, maybe I should revisit this, you know, catechumen situation. And so I redid all of that and stopped smoking too, because I think the, I think the pneumonia came from vaping, actually. Okay, so I quit vaping. I quit drinking. Not that orthodoxy is about, you know, puritanical morals, but for me, those things were, you know, like, obviously affecting my health and drinking. It was really messed with my gut.
- [12:28]
Danny
But you know what the hardest part about vaping is?
- [12:30]
Jay Dyer
What?
- [12:31]
Danny
Telling your parents you're gay.
- [12:33]
Jay Dyer
The reason we vaped was to quit smoking. Oh, really? So it was a, it was an attempt to try to get away from cigarettes. And it worked for a little while. But actually, I think the best medicine for smoking and vaping was pneumonia. Like, if you get pneumonia, that's actually a great way to quit smoking. So I got it twice and the woman was like, if you keep smoking or vaping, you're probably going to get pneumonia the third time. And I was like, you know what? I'm done. Because it was awful. I mean, I've been sick, but pneumonia was one of the worst. But anyway, so that was a good chastisement that came my way. That got me kind of thinking about mortality and those things can be good enticements to repentance. And so in 2015, 16, I just kept reading orthodox theology, like non stop. 2017, I think I met with Father Snowden and we talked about inquiring, catechumen and all that. So I did that through 2017, then came in, I think in 2018. My wife had actually came in a little earlier. We weren't married at the time, but she was at a different church in South Carolina. So she came in in the OCA a year before me.
- [13:37]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jew kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself. But the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.
- [14:14]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Take care of yourself this spring with great savings on all your favorite wellness brands. Now through April 28, save $5 when you buy three or more participating wellness items. Shop in store or online for products like centrum silver nexium, 24 hour, Tums ultra strength or Smoothies tablets and Flonase spray. And save $5 when you buy three or more. Get these deals before they're gone. Offer ends April 28th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [14:46]
Jay Dyer
Anyway, so that's the long route story to where I kind of got back into. But it was also, by the way, a lot of biblical theology that got me back into Orthodoxy because in Roman Catholicism, they will give credence to the Bible. And I don't mean this as like a low tier Protestant critique, that Roman college don't read their Bible in Rome. It's so focused on papal documents and in the traditional world and to devotions to this or that, Fatima or whatever, that I do actually think that the Bible is not given primary importance in Rome.
- [15:25]
Danny
It's not. I mean, it's, everything's about, you know, like, are you doing the devotion to Our lady of the brown scapular of the, of the feast day of Fatima of Lords.
- [15:37]
Jay Dyer
Yep. And what I liked about Orthodoxy was that going back to the liturgy and realizing, well, this is actually just scripture come to life here in the liturgy. And even though Rome kind of is that, or at least gives verbal credence to that, it was just different. And I was just burnt out on all the Roman, just the whole system. So I think really for me, there was a lot of like, system breaking that had to occur. Does that make sense?
- [16:04]
Danny
Yeah, it is. And for people who have been in Catholicism, I think they, they will understand exactly what you mean. It's, it's a very, it's also just you go to talk to your parish priest and you realize these, I mean, these seminaries have more fruit than an orchard. I mean, it's, it's, and it's like as a straight guy, I mean, how do you, how do you relate?
- [16:31]
Jay Dyer
It's a challenge. Yeah.
- [16:32]
Danny
And then, and on top of if you want to be married, you know, how are you relating to this guy who has to be completely, you know, Celibate and live around women. It's very. I mean, how do you. How do you advise people on marriages when you're not married?
- [16:45]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah. There's all those practical issues, and I think you're right to go back to, like, a lot of times, for most of us, it's. It's not ultimately a lot of these intellectual ideas that plays a part, but, like, there's all these other things going on in your life, too, that are, like I said, enticements to repenting and seeing things in a different way. So. Yeah, so eventually I just kind of read my way back through. The Book of Daniel, particularly, was a huge influence on me. So I took Daniel's name when I became Orthodox, the prophet Daniel. Because so much of Daniel, I think, really just confirmed for me that the Messianic era began in the first advent, Daniel 9, etc. So Daniel was a huge impetus to return to the earlier investigation ten years prior in Orthodoxy. So that was the long route to Orthodoxy.
- [17:34]
Danny
It was phenomenal to have you here. It's amazing.
- [17:36]
Jay Dyer
It's been a wild journey.
- [17:39]
Danny
It's not how you run the race, it's how you finish.
- [17:43]
Jay Dyer
Exactly.
- [17:44]
Danny
You are known as, like, the king of the ortho bros. And every parish I go to three eighths of the guys or more, I go. How did you come to Orthodoxy? Well, I was watching Internet videos. Who? Jay Dyer. Again and again and again, you've become this person who's effectively. I mean, well, just straight out, you're a missionary for the church. You know, just sort of unintentional. Missionary. You're making videos about what you think people need to hear. Okay. We have this vision of, you know, missionaries are going to foreign lands. It's also dangerous. They don't realize that. I mean, people can ruin your reputation. They can come after your employment. It's just as dangerous, if not more so, to be on the Internet than in real life. And people know you for theology, they know you for talking about Essence Energies, for talking about Vatican ii, for talking about the papacy, et cetera. But we want to get to know Jay outside of that. Okay, so you've written three books, one of which is right there. And you very kindly gifted me esoteric Hollywood 3. Excellent book. What is the story of how you ended up writing these books? Did you. I mean, when you wrote the first one, did you think, okay, this will turn into a second. This will be a trilogy. Did you just think. I mean, did you intend to write a book? Did it start out as something else? And move into a book. What happened?
- [19:12]
Jay Dyer
So I was in undergrad and then grad school studying philosophy, lit, history, and then in grad school I studied English and lit and I focused on how James Bond was used in the Cold War for psychological warfare. And so the British intelligence establishment, particularly through Ian Fleming, had really come up with this kind of ingenious idea to take fiction. And British spy fiction had actually done this earlier than that. But to use that as a form of propaganda because the British had a pretty tight lipped policy of an Official Secrets act where anybody was in intelligence couldn't talk about anything. So what they would typically do is write fiction stories about their exploits. And Ian Fleming famously is one of the most well known for that with the Bond character. Obviously not everything in James Bond is real. It's a lot of fiction. But it became this iconic symbol, archetype throughout the Cold War for Western power and interests against the Soviets. And I just thought that was fascinating and it kind of brought together disparate interests that I had between movies. I was always interested in theater and film and performing arts and stuff like that back to high school and. But it brings in intelligence agencies in that history and it brings in cults and how, you know, Hollywood has cults. So all of those things were an interest that I had. And I was basically just kind of working part time and taking all the college classes I wanted for like 10 years.
- [20:36]
Danny
What were you doing for work?
- [20:37]
Jay Dyer
I worked as a paint mixer.
- [20:39]
Danny
Okay.
- [20:40]
Jay Dyer
So I was for 10 years manager of a Pittsburgh paint store. So I just. Basically, you bring me a swatch of paint. Right. And I match it.
- [20:48]
Danny
I would imagine that you'd have lots and lots of work in the morning and then most of the rest.
- [20:52]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. I read all day.
- [20:54]
Danny
Okay.
- [20:55]
Jay Dyer
I had a job where for 10 years I could read. And so that's how I read.
- [20:59]
Danny
What a blessing.
- [20:59]
Jay Dyer
All the church. Well, not all the church fathers, but many, many years of church fathers theology. Most of that time in my 20s, when I was a paint store manager, I was reading theological stuff. Wonderful. But then that allowed me to, to, to work part time and take all these college classes. And then I did grad school the same way where I was doing it part time. So it took me a lot longer than most people. But I wasn't married. I was single throughout that whole time. And the Internet was obviously getting more and more prevalent, omnipresent, and I was kind of stayed away from the Internet for a long time. But I started blogging in maybe 2007 and back then I was beginning to Ron Paul, but I was interested in orthodoxy and Catholicism, so I was kind of blogging about all that kind of stuff. And I even blogged a little bit about Zionism and that piqued a lot of people's interest. And I got some threats even back then, that's my saying, that they're gonna be fired for talking about Zionism. Oh, and it was, it was actually a Christian Zionist that was threatening to. Who's a Calvinist, by the way? A Calvinist Christian Zionist was threatening to get me fired for talking about that on a blog. Which, man, things have changed from 2007 to 2026 because. Anyway, so long story short, that was all the academic stuff that I was doing. Blogging, just kind of on the side for fun. But then I noticed, you know, as the Internet became more omnipresent, people were not just blogging, but doing podcasts. Right. So podcast pops on the scene. That'd be cool to do. So I started experimenting with just doing talks and audios in 2010 or 11. I think it was the first time I played around with that. It was all terrible quality, but I mean, half my stuff is still terrible quality. So I mean, you guys are doing good here. Like, I'm still like ghetto boomer tech with, with my.
- [22:51]
Danny
I like it, I watch it, I enjoy it.
- [22:54]
Jay Dyer
It's a challenge. There's always some new tech thing to learn. It's actually getting a lot easier though. Like in 2012, 13, like what was out there for tech and all that? It's. It was a lot more challenging than stuff like now. It's a lot easier to do. But long story short, I keep saying that phrase, but yeah. So the book came about because there was a huge fallout with my graduate advisor and he was a super lib, like a mega socialist green, oh, just crazy live guy. And he absolutely hated me.
- [23:29]
Danny
So he's effectively a hippie.
- [23:32]
Jay Dyer
Absolutely. In fact, he was one of the world authorities on the Luddites because Luddites were anti tight. Right. So. So he sees the whole modern world as kind of like, you know, capitalists pigs that have taken over and the world needs to return to some sort of like, you know, pre modern Luddite situation.
- [23:48]
Danny
Utopians and his view, some utopian part.
- [23:52]
Jay Dyer
He's a big United nations type of
- [23:54]
Danny
guy, everything free, no consequences.
- [23:57]
Jay Dyer
And he didn't like that. I was going to write the thesis on James Bond and I wasn't like saying everything about James Bond's great. I was just writing it as an analysis of propaganda in the Cold War, but he thought that was too misogynistic, too toxic. So it was all that kind of stuff, right? So we had a huge falling out because after I'd worked for an entire semester, maybe two semester, I forget on the thesis, and I had the first, say, 30 pages written. Not a PhD, just a master's thesis. And he was like, oh, you're gonna have to start over. And he was doing that as a big middle finger to me because my previous advisor, who was really good, she got promoted to a different job. So I either had to start all over or fight the guy. So I was like, I wanted to fight him. And I realized, like, I'm either gonna punch this guy, jump over his desk and punch him, or I just have to leave. So I just walked out. And I never went back to grad school. And so I finished two years of grad school. I was the thesis. All I had to do was finish the thesis. And. But he was like, what? You have to start all over? I was like, no, I'm out of here. And that was a pivot. Probably one of the best things happened to me, though, because, like, I would not have enjoyed academia. It's a very controlled setting. They don't want heterosexual white males. There's that are Christians. They don't want that at all. And they even make that clear. Like I had in my undergrad phase, I had a history advisor who said, I'm just going to be straight with you, Jay. If you're a straight white male, they don't want you in academia. Yeah, he told me that.
- [25:32]
Danny
It's another more fruit than an orchard.
- [25:36]
Jay Dyer
Very similar to the Vatican.
- [25:39]
Danny
They seem to be racing one another trying to be fruit vendors.
- [25:45]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the big game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the day during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [26:22]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Take care of yourself this spring with great savings. On all your favorite wellness brands now through April 28th. Save $5 when you buy three or more participating wellness items. Shop in store or online for products like Centrum Silver, Nexium, 24 Hour, Tums Ultra Strength or Smoothies tablets, and Flonase spray. And save $5 when you buy three or more. Get these deals before they're gone. Offer ends April 28th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [26:53]
Danny
I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know who have told me dropping out of their master's program or their bachelor's program, their patient was the best thing that ever happened to them. Because, I mean, it just. They realize what an artificial world it is. And, you know, okay, you can just get. Now you just get the reading. Listen to the reading.
- [27:15]
Jay Dyer
Yes, exactly.
- [27:15]
Danny
I mean, you want to learn languages, you go to language institutes, you don't go to university, by the way, for anyone watching, we're teaching Greek and Latin on Patreon. Ancient Greek and Latin just started a new cohort for Latin Greek. We have a second one going. Contact me if you're interested. My contact information is in the video description. What got you? Okay. So from there, I mean, the first book, you have all this material for the first book, not realizing you're about to write a book. What happens from there?
- [27:48]
Jay Dyer
So the best thing about college was there's a couple things that are good about college and grad school. One of them is they will force you to read and write about people that you would never read and that you totally disagree with. That was a good thing. So I had to read all these philosophy figures that I would have never read, like David Hume and Bertrand Russell and all those characters. But if you're consistently for many years, you know, hammering out 10, 20, 30 page term papers, you're going to get good at writing. So that was the best part of college for me, was actually kind of getting, you know, a decent hand on writing. I'm not saying I'm a great writer, but I think I'm okay. And so that was, I think, the best honing of the skill set out of all that. And I just, for fun on the side was doing all these film analyses because I just, I've always liked film separate from writing theology papers and philosophy papers and religion papers. And then I thought, well, if I've got all this material, I mean, it could conceivably be a book, but I didn't really think it would ever come about. I remember I got invited on a podcast by Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone. And he's kind of a conspiracy guy, kind of like his dad's a famous director that dealt with conspiracy movies. And I was like, this would be cool. This is a. This was early on, one of the earliest podcasts that I was on. And the publisher of my book, who also publishes Whitney Webb's Epstein books, so he's known for that. He was like, hey, do you have a book? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Which I didn't have a manuscript, but I had a lot of essays. And I thought, well, yeah, I could just take all these essays and just combine them into a book. And that became Esther Hollywood one, which I'd written probably, I don't know, three or four hundred pages already on film analysis, never thinking it would be a book. And it came together in 2016 as a book. And that opened a lot of doors for. We did a full production TV show in 2017 on the one season based on the first book. And another guy, Jay Wiedner, who's a big film buff guy, and you can still watch that show. It's. It's at Gaia tv. It's kind of a new Ag Network.
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Danny
But how do you spell that? Gaia.
- [29:51]
Jay Dyer
G, A, I, A. Gaia G, A, I, a. Gaia TV. I think it's been long. This is almost 10 years ago, but you can see the fat version of me they're sitting in the directors. We do like a Siskel and Ebert style, but we do more of a philosophical breakdown of the films rather than like, you know, Siskel and E. Just like, well, this is good. No, it's bad. But we go deeper into, like, the meaning and the symbols of the films and the history.
- [30:16]
Danny
I could never forget which one was Siskel and which one was Ebert.
- [30:20]
Jay Dyer
Ebert was the fat guy.
- [30:21]
Danny
Oh, okay.
- [30:22]
Jay Dyer
Cisco's a skinny ball guy. But it was that style in. With like a theater setting. So it's. It's a. It's a nice show. It's a neat show. In fact, a lot of. A lot of later offers for stuff came from people watching the show and they're like, hey, that was actually a really good, really good show. Would you want to come do this? Like, the Tucker thing actually happened because the Tucker. Tucker's producer, Scooter, who became orthodox, he had watched Hollywood, decoded the TV show. So.
- [30:49]
Danny
So how did you. What, what you expand a bit on that, how you ended up on Tucker Carlson.
- [30:55]
Jay Dyer
So when the book came out, I got the idea to just kind of mail it out to a lot of different radio shows and podcasts and stuff like that. And right. 2016, podcasts were still kind of. They weren't as video oriented, they were more audio oriented.
- [31:08]
Danny
I remember that. You have to download them.
- [31:10]
Jay Dyer
Exactly.
- [31:11]
Danny
So save them.
- [31:12]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, I remember going on a lot of radio shows that were just beginning to put the radio shows on podcasts, like Clyde Lewis's show. I went on that. I went on coast to coast with George Nori. It was all audio back then. And then how did I. Let's see, what was the. The first big kind of offer was I got an email, I think, in 2019, and somebody said, hey, do you want to come on Alex Jones? And I was like, yeah, sure. Because I had actually been on Alex Jones one time as a guest in 2008.
- [31:44]
Danny
And how did that happen?
- [31:45]
Jay Dyer
Because I just called in and I said in. Alex was talking about the history of the Rockefeller family and their influence in America back in 2007 or eight. And I called in super nervous. There was sweat running down my brow when I called in because I'd never been on radio before. And we talked for a little bit and he was like, I have you on as a guest. You know what you're talking about. Because I'd actually read the book that he was referencing. I was like, hey, I've actually read this Rockefeller book. We could talk about that. And so I called back in Monday and he was like, it was like a 30 minute spot where we had a conversation. He's like, you need to write for us, write some essays. So I wrote three or four articles for Infowars back in 2007 or eight. But that put me on the radar, I guess. Right. And then I don't think Alex thought about me or heard about me again until the book came out. And I remember mailing it out. I mailed it to Alex and all the radio people I could think of. And then in 2019again, this is after the TV show had come out. Alex's producer reached out and was like, hey, do you want to come on for our interview? Yeah, sure. And interview went really well. We did the first book as an analysis of Hollywood and all that. And then they were like, we're really impressed. Would you want to host the fourth hour? So that led to hosting for the last six years, not every Friday, but most Fridays I host the fourth hour of Alex Jones hosted many of the main show too.
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Danny
So it's a four hour show. And you did the fourth hour?
- [33:02]
Jay Dyer
I did the fourth hour for many years. And then I did many shows. So then doing not just Alex's show, but then doing Harrison's show, Owen Schroyer show. And that opened up a lot more doors. So that led to eventually when Scooter became orthodox, he reached out. I was like, hey, we're going to be in Austin. We're going to shoot an episode of Tucker's show. Would you like to do a sketch? He's like, you have any ideas? I was like, this is right when Klaus Schwab and the world government for him and the COVID stuff was happening. And I was like, what if I, I said it as a joke to Scooter and actually think we'd go for it? I was like, what if I put on like a crappy bald mat, bald cap and I dressed up like Klaus Schwab and I went around Austin in the park interviewing like dudes in Austin and this actually he was like, let's do it. And so he comes and he brings the film crew and everybody from Fox and then we go out and I'm interviewing all these idiots in Austin in the park because they're all just like, you know, hippie, dippy goobers. And it's a great clip. I'll send it to you. Never saw it, but you can still find out. It's all over Twitter and YouTube. But so that ended up being a 10 minute segment of Tucker's last show when he got fired. I was on the very last show on Fox where Tucker got fired. We always joke that I got Tucker fired, okay, because I was Klaus Schwab in the skit. But so that kind of kicked off like, I think openings for comedy stuff because I've always been into comedy and
- [34:31]
Danny
you're a funny guy.
- [34:32]
Jay Dyer
Thank you. So I would send that out to comedians and people and I kind of talked a little bit to Sam Hyde in DMs. I'd, you know, I would always been, I've been a fan of his stuff from A Million Dollar Extreme when he was doing YouTube.
- [34:44]
Danny
And well, well now he's huge. I mean you couldn't get in his DM. I mean an average person could not get his DMS out. So this is way back, this is
- [34:50]
Jay Dyer
2018 when I first kind of, I saw Sam's stuff in 2016, 17 and when I didn't really get it because I didn't know what they were trying to do. I think with a million dollar stream and that stuff, like a lot of times it's a little bit of a, A Learning curve where you've kind of. Oh, I get it now. Right.
- [35:06]
Danny
Was. Was this before or after his whole, like, Jews rocks?
- [35:10]
Jay Dyer
This was right when they got canceled.
- [35:14]
Danny
Yeah, they canceled for that one because,
- [35:16]
Jay Dyer
yeah, like a super activist journalist had messaged Sam and was like, from Buzzfeed. I think it was BuzzFeed. And he was like, I'm gonna get you fired for that. I'm gonna reach out to the producer of Adult Swim or whatever. And. And he did. He was like, you know, if you don't cancel Sam's show, you know, we're gonna. We're gonna take you down or whatever.
- [35:37]
Danny
The tribe came for him.
- [35:38]
Jay Dyer
Whatever the. Yeah, the threat was to this. I don't remember the exact details of it, but something like that. And so they folded, obviously. And that kind of made, you know, because that was like one of their. Their top shows on Adult Swim was. Was World Peace. And then it gets immediately gets canceled. So Sam always had this desire to like do season two even with his own money. And so he just put that out. Like last year they redid all of season two on their own. But in the meantime, Sam kind of expanded into doing other TV shows. He did a weird kind of reality show called Fish Tank that took on a life of its own. And then Sam started doing stand up, which he wasn't really a stand up before is more sketch comedy. He did great at that. He's been doing stand up for the last couple years pretty consistently and. But I was always just kind of like off and on dming and being like, hey, what do you think about this as an idea for a sketch? I would just kind of pitch ideas. And I think when he saw there was. I did a skit making fun of mega church pastors that he thought was really funny. And then I did a skit or he saw the Tucker skit and he thought that was funny. So that kind of opened up the possibility of like, I would just say, hey, if you ever do a show, I'd love to be involved. And then I think last year he said, hey, I'm going to start a separate show called the Sam Hyde show where I just kind of sit and do monologues or interview people. And the first one was a collaborative effort of me and several people. Ryan Rivera, Pat Dixon, Brendan Wallace, shout out to those guys, kind of writing and throwing in ideas. And we put together this Dear Elon that was whole. It went super viral. I couldn't believe how, like between X YouTube and all the outlets, I mean, it's like 20 million views or more.
- [37:25]
Danny
Yeah, it's. It was hilarious.
- [37:27]
Jay Dyer
I could believe how popular it got. And then the next one did really well. Not as good as that one, but it was 5, 10 million views. Dear Vivek, where we're making fun of like, yeah, H1B visas and all that kind of stuff. Making fun of Vivek. I mean, that one, that one did really well. And then, you know, there have been several that were really super funny. And Ryan and all those guys are super, super funny.
- [37:49]
Danny
So the line from Dear Elon that I remember most clearly is Vivek is a nerd who just needs to go back.
- [37:57]
Jay Dyer
That was.
- [37:59]
Danny
I fell apart when I heard that line.
- [38:00]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, well, what was, what was funny is that like every one of us has kind of a different sense of humor. So like, Ryan has a really. He's really good at impressions and he has his own sense of humor. Pat and Brendan have their own sense of. Pat's kind of like a Bill Burr sassy kind of guy. Brendan's kind of a. He does stand up. They all do stand up, except for me and Ryan. And then, and then Sam brings his own just kind of vibe and energy to what. We kind of throw out all these ideas.
- [38:26]
Danny
Yeah.
- [38:27]
Jay Dyer
Sam takes the print out and then just runs with whatever he likes. And it, it gels, I think, really well. So we've done basically a seat one season of that Sam Hyde show and a lot of weirdos on, like he. Sam had, or I don't know if it's Sam or Ryan had the idea to get one of these guys that drinks their own pee. Oh God, like these Hindu minded people that. And so that one was crazy. So basically for that show we were all just like sitting there coming up with pee jokes for like two days. Like think of every joke you think of for pee jokes for like two or three days.
- [38:59]
Danny
Okay. Sam Hyde, if he's like six foot six, Right?
- [39:03]
Jay Dyer
Basically, yeah.
- [39:05]
Danny
He's gigantic.
- [39:06]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. He's like built like a linebacker. Yeah. And people think like when I went on pgo, both him and Nick are really tall. And everybody thinks like, I'm a. Because standing next to like two. Yeah. Multiple six foot six guys. It's like, no, I'm not a. These dudes are massive. So. Yeah, no, he's huge. But the Hodgmans are dudes too. They're big dudes.
- [39:25]
Danny
How tall are they?
- [39:27]
Jay Dyer
Six, three or four?
- [39:28]
Danny
Yeah, they're big guys. Yeah. They're also super buff, so.
- [39:31]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, So I mean, that whole experience was Again, I. I mean, I'm just super thankful because I always wanted to do comedy. Where we live, there's no, like, avenues or venues for stand up, so it's like, I'd have to move to do stand up. I'm not a huge fan of stand up itself. I like some stand ups and I like doing it, but I don't like having to try to make boomers laugh because boomer humor is very different from, like, Sam Hyde humor.
- [40:02]
Danny
Yeah.
- [40:03]
Jay Dyer
And it's age groups. They laugh at very different things. And so if you're doing stand up, you're gonna have to try to mold what you're doing to some random audience of frat bros or, you know, people that are not necessarily gonna like what you do. So this ended up being just a perfect venue for the weird, kind of eccentric, silly style of comedy that I'm into. And I like to do a lot of impressions, so that plays well on podcasts, but I think it's very limiting when it comes to, like, doing stand up. So writing for Sam ended up being a really good venue for doing that. We had a blast for this first. First season, so. So, yeah, and never would have thought I'd be doing that.
- [40:37]
Danny
How did you end up meeting the Hodge twins and ending up on their podcast? You've been on there, what, two, three times?
- [40:42]
Jay Dyer
This was the second time a couple days ago.
- [40:44]
Danny
How did this time go?
- [40:46]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue Square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.
- [41:23]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [41:54]
Jay Dyer
So it turns out their producer. There's a lot of getting on podcasts has to do with producers and, like, schedulers and whether they like you. So it's not even necessarily like the podcast people. Like, they might not even like you, but if the scheduler person is a fan of your content. And turns out the guy who produces their show was a guy who did a conspiracy podcast many years ago who liked what I talk about. So he ended up down the road producing for the Hodge twins. And he was like, I need to get Jay on here. And so reached out to them. And then Andrew Wilson was a huge connect because he. He got me on the Crowder show. He set up me going on whatever podcast to debate that crazy feminist chick. And then I'm about. We're about to go back to LA
- [42:37]
Danny
right now to be on that chick was.
- [42:40]
Jay Dyer
We're gonna do round two with a different feminist girl here in a couple weeks.
- [42:45]
Danny
Wow.
- [42:45]
Jay Dyer
And so. So basically, yeah, it tends to be if the producer or scheduler likes what you do, they will try to promote you and get you on. But also what. One thing that's fascinating is a lot of these people have become orthodox.
- [42:59]
Danny
Yeah.
- [42:59]
Jay Dyer
And then they will try to get, you know, orthodox content, you know, on a big outlet like Joe Rogan. So you have Rachel and Andrew on Joe Rogan, and those are both very good interviews.
- [43:09]
Danny
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. And so, yeah, Andrew's been a huge help with that, and hopefully we'll see you on Rogan. That would be great. Yeah, I would love to do that.
- [43:18]
Danny
I have confidence she'll be on.
- [43:19]
Jay Dyer
I feel like, you know, Sam Hyde deserves to be on a little earlier because he's. He's had such a. Oh, he hasn't been on. No. But he's had, you know, obviously, much bigger impact. So if I do end up going there, I'll definitely. I'll definitely try to. To say, hey, you should have Sam.
- [43:36]
Danny
What. What is. I mean, we watch Sam Hyde's videos, and in them, he comes off as. Manic is not the right word, but.
- [43:46]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [43:46]
Danny
Yeah, in like, a fun way. Right. Fun way. Maybe a little scary once in a while, but, like, I mean, sometimes he's very thoughtful, deep, you know, like that when he. What's up?
- [43:58]
Jay Dyer
The deer.
- [43:59]
Danny
Yeah, well, that as well. But it's. When he did the thing on Kirk.
- [44:04]
Jay Dyer
Getting that one viral, too. Yeah.
- [44:07]
Danny
Other times, he's just all over the place. What Is he like in person where you're just having a conversation with him?
- [44:13]
Jay Dyer
In my experience, like with Sam, most people, I mean, unless Sam's playing a stupid character like Officer Maggot or something, like that's not the real Sam High. But I mean, in person, pretty much everybody I've met has been the same off camera. So like, he's just a kind of super chill, very contemplative, thoughtful kind of person. Yeah, like when we went up there to do the PGL podcast when I was on his. His perfect guy life, I spent. We went to dinner with Nick and then the next day Sam's like, you ready to go to the gym? I thought he meant to work out. And I'm like, yeah, sure, he meant to box. So I'm in there boxing at like 8 in the morning before I fly back to Florida. It's like I'm boxing his trainer. Oh, the trainer dude. Like this eight foot black dude trainer. And I'm like, boxing because I'm not a boxer guy.
- [45:06]
Danny
Yeah, that's a skill.
- [45:08]
Jay Dyer
Sam's just like over there, like analyzing like he's a boxing coach. Oh, you need to do this. Get your, get your, you know, do this. Or you swing like this. So he's just a. He's like a super focused, contemplative, but art guy. So he's one of these people that's very left brain and right brain, which is not a lot of people. A lot of people are either one. Right. Like if you're artistic, usually you're not left brain. But Sam's super analytical but also super creative, which is a fascinating mix. I think I have a little bit of that because my mom is super creative. My dad's super analytical engineering type of guy. So I think it's a weird combination when you get that. I think Sam is definitely that kind of a person and very versatile. Like he can do. I don't know if you saw him do that YouTube fight where he went and fought that.
- [45:54]
Danny
The boxing match.
- [45:55]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, he did that boxing match and did really good.
- [45:57]
Danny
That was years ago, right?
- [45:58]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, three or four years ago.
- [45:59]
Danny
Yeah, that was. He did very well.
- [46:01]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, he won. He beat that dude and then. But he can also do stand up very well. Like he did. He does a great, you know, 45 minute hour set of stand up. We went to see him in Tampa and he was, it was hilarious.
- [46:15]
Danny
And does he smoke a pipe privately or is that just for the show?
- [46:19]
Jay Dyer
Cigars. As soon as I got there, they're like, you want a cigar? I Was like, yeah, sure, maybe I said no. I can't remember because I don't. I try to smile, I try not to. But like, you don't also don't want to say no if you're, like, being, you know, invited to. If Joe Rogan offered me a cigar, I'd be like, yeah, sure. But, yeah, I don't, I know he had cigars. I don't remember if there was a pie, but. But no, he's just, he's. He's pretty much. I think he's more of a serious conversation kind of person than you would expect because people think of Sam as a comedian and sketch guy, but he would be super serious talking about like philosophy or history or.
- [46:56]
Danny
I get that impression. I get that impression because, you know, many people who have really high IQs and who are very serious, thoughtful people, they feel very alone and they have a hard time being. They have a hard time relating to other people.
- [47:09]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [47:09]
Danny
So they try to, like, mimic this personality that's, you know, sometimes vulgar, sometimes rude thinking that that's like, you know, what the, what other people want, when in reality it's this person really just enjoys really deep, really serious conversations.
- [47:24]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's. We've had a few conversations about Christianity, orthodoxy. He's working on. He's been working on for many years creating a video game and he wants to incorporate Christian themes and sci fi. And so we had several. One or two long conversations about like, Christian theology in this video game or. And it might turn into a board game or. I'm not sure exactly where he wants to go with it, but. But yeah, So I think, I think he's definitely. Today he's just saying basically, Christ is king. When Ted Cruz says if you say Christ is king, you're against Israel.
- [48:02]
Danny
Christ is king.
- [48:03]
Jay Dyer
I think Christ is king. Right. So I think he has this recent, in the last two or three years, interest definitely in Christianity. And we've had a couple conversations. But I know that he got tired. He got so many people asking him at his shows, when are you going to become orthodox? That he actually said, stop asking me. When am I going to become orthodox. So a lot of the Ortho bros are also, you know, million dollar extreme Sam Hyde fans.
- [48:28]
Danny
So. Yeah, well, there you go. I mean, several people at my parish, big fans of Sam Hyde. What about, I mean, you debated Nick Fuentes back in the day before Nick was big. I mean, have you had any contact with him since then?
- [48:41]
Jay Dyer
We've had a little bit of drama in the last Year only because what happened was somebody said, would you debate Nick Fuentes again?
- [48:53]
Danny
I remember this.
- [48:54]
Jay Dyer
And I said, yeah, sure, I would. I said, yeah, I would. And then people don't realize that I have multiple people that run clips channels that I don't run. Yeah, I run a couple clips channels that people have given me that they don't want anymore. Like, Kyle used to do my clip channels that he started. Oh. And he just gave it to me. You want dire clips? Yeah, sure. And then I have my clips channel called Dire Live Streams or whatever and Absurdities. But all those other clips channels, I don't even know who runs those. Oh, they just clip my stuff. And I told people because I got the idea from seeing other people doing this model where if you just tell other people to run free with it, like, it's a better marketing approach. I'm not even a big marketing dude, but, like, it just seemed more common sense to me that if I just let people clip the crap out of it, then that's less work that I have to do clipping, because I hate doing clipping.
- [49:43]
Danny
So it also leads back to your main.
- [49:45]
Jay Dyer
Eventually leads back. So I just told everybody in the last year clip like crazy, go do whatever you want. And it's. Several of those clip channels have grown pretty good. And two of the clips channels reposted the Nick debate after I said I would debate him again. And that got back to Nick, who took offense to that because he thought I was trying to ankle bite and get attention. And he said, oh, Dyer's a coward and I'm not ever going to debate him on theology again or whatever. I forget all what all he said, but it was basically somewhat of a misunderstanding because I said I would debate him again. I didn't say I'm gonna debate him again. So he took it like I was talking smack when I was just saying I would.
- [50:23]
Danny
Yeah.
- [50:24]
Jay Dyer
But also, like, the only area that I've consistently been critical because I don't go into people's personal lives online typically unless there's some big voice of the voice of reason schedule.
- [50:36]
Danny
Oh, yeah.
- [50:36]
Jay Dyer
I don't usually talk about that kind of stuff unless we're making a joke. So I don't know. Or follow Nick's personal drama or anything like that. I just consistently have said I disagree with the papacy. The same position 10 years ago when we had that debate where I disagree with the papacy. So when we talked about that happening, I said I would just debate you on the papacy, because that's where I disagree. And Nick said, I don't debate theology. It's. I'm a politics guy. So really there it was a lot of kind of smoke over nothing, basically. So I reached out to Ryan Rivera, who's friends with Nick, because right in the midst of all that, Sam had Nick on. So they did a podcast and I said, hey, Ryan, would you reach out to Nick and say, look, I wasn't trying to ankle bite or grab, you know, because I don't think your followers are going to like the fact that I would debate you on the papers anyway. So, like, I'm not, I wouldn't really benefit from that anyway unless we debated something political because most of Nick's audience is into politics anyway, so they're not really going to care about my critique of the Vatican. So anyway, there's a lot of smoke over nothing, really.
- [51:40]
Danny
What are some areas where just short summary varies, where you and Nick would differ on political geopolitical issues in a big way, or it'd be more so matters of, say, nuance where you would differ?
- [51:55]
Jay Dyer
I mean, I see clips of Nick, so I don't see this the full show on a day to day basis. And most of the clips that I hear is just typically the same. This same stuff I talk about and I think a lot of the audience that does like both of our stuff, they almost always say you guys are pretty much on the same page.
- [52:11]
Danny
Yeah, I watched his. I've been watching a series with Troll Webb and it's very good. It's very good. I mean, when he lays out what he wants, it's like, yeah, this is, this is what I want to. I, I haven't listened to much of his stuff. Just one on one, you know, on Rumble, hardly anything. But I do listen to your stuff. I like your stuff.
- [52:36]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [53:13]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. You don't want to miss the annual beauty event for big savings on all your favorite beauty products now through April 28, spend $25 on participating products and save $5. Shop in store or online for items like Billi Women's Razors, Billie Body Buffer or Body Wash, Native Hand Soap, Neutrogena Makeup Remover Towelets and Q Tips. And save $5 when you spend $25. Offer ends April 28. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [53:44]
Danny
What about Steven Crowder? You've worked with Crowder before. How did, how did you come across?
- [53:48]
Jay Dyer
Actually, Andrew just set up a debate or not a debate, a discussion with Crowder's co host Gerald. So Gerald is I guess the CEO or the co host of Crowder's operation. So Gerald does a show called Something Apologetics. So he just basically has like he had Tim Gordon on to talk Catholicism and evangelicalism and before that he had had Andrew on to talk about feminism and then he had me on to talk about Orthodoxy and Christian Zionism. So we had a, we had a pretty extensive hour long conversation about like what's wrong with John Hagee and Ted Cruz and how is that not Orthodox and you know, what's the orthodox view of Israel and Zionism and all that. So that just came about because Andrew suggested me and then I interacted with Gerald on Twitter. So we're supposed to do another one of these a part two because we had a really pretty, pretty expansive. It wasn't a heated disagreement. It was like we actually talked about topics that I didn't expect we would talk about.
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Danny
Like what?
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Jay Dyer
Well, I mean, I don't, I mean we, we got deeper into Christian Zionism than I expected.
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Danny
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
Get into so. And that, you know, he was pretty receptive, I think, of all the criticisms that we would have as orthodox. So, and I know I've not met Crowder, I think Andrew has, but Crowder had an interest in orthodoxy.
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Danny
Okay. So I've gotten confused.
- [55:15]
Jay Dyer
That was okay, but I'm supposed to go back on there and have a discussion again with Gerald Round 2. I don't know what he wants to talk about, but they have expressed some degree of interest in Orthodox ideas.
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Danny
So wonderful. Why do you think it is that so many guys, Gen Z guys really like your stuff.
- [55:38]
Jay Dyer
I think the Internet has made it easy for intelligent people to quickly assess issues that Gen X and boomers took a decade to assess. So for example, Christian Zionism, Boomers and Gen X, many of them are still stuck in just some sort of default. Well, of course, we outsport Israel or America. You know what I mean?
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Danny
Israel in the bible.
- [56:08]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, exactly.
- [56:10]
Danny
B.B. netanyahu was prophesized by John Hagee.
- [56:14]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. And. And what was. We were playing this.
- [56:20]
Danny
Them ain't Muslims. If one of them is good, that. That makes the other one. Yeah. If one's bad, the other one's good. Right.
- [56:27]
Jay Dyer
The run is only 2. Two weeks away from a nuclear bomb.
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Danny
Yeah. Yeah. For the record, my neighbor Bob is only two weeks from a nuclear bomb.
- [56:36]
Jay Dyer
So it's taken out.
- [56:38]
Danny
Yeah. Down the street, Bob is only two weeks from a nuclear bomb. Speaking of which, I'm only two weeks from a. Another podcast.
- [56:50]
Jay Dyer
Who's next?
- [56:51]
Danny
I don't know. I can't say. I can't say.
- [56:53]
Jay Dyer
Is it Voice of Reason?
- [56:55]
Danny
Yeah. I'll go before Con. I'll go before Congress, and I'll make sure they'll all wear suits when I show up. Even John Fetterman. They'll all stand up. I was like, danny is only two weeks from another podcast.
- [57:08]
Jay Dyer
Voice of Reason is only two weeks away from a nuclear bomb.
- [57:11]
Danny
No one wants to be associated with that guy right now. Not after what he.
- [57:15]
Jay Dyer
He's a nuclear bomb.
- [57:18]
Danny
Being around that guy is like having cat poop smeared on you. It's. It's not. It's not something you want to associate with. Anyway, Sorry. So where do you. I mean.
- [57:31]
Jay Dyer
Oh, the Gen Z guys.
- [57:32]
Danny
Yeah. Why is it that they really get into you?
- [57:35]
Jay Dyer
I think that we. We're. I'm at a weird age group where I'm at the cusp of Gen X and millennial, so I can kind of bridge that gap. And usually Gen Z are going to be kind of looking at people that are a little bit older, millennial, that have been kind of doing Internet stuff. That's what they're going to see. And I think we ended up hitting on key problems in society that they can assess a lot quicker than boomers or Gen X can, such as the problems of, like, evangelical Zionism or basic questions about, you know, well, Protestantism has all these huge systemic level flaws. The Vatican has huge systemic level flaws for people that are entrenched in boomergenics mindsets that are not open to questioning. You're always. When you're younger, you're a lot more open to questioning than when you get older. So I think those guys are seeing a lot of good questions being raised, even if I don't have all the right answers or whatever. I think we do a good job highlighting key issues that are Problems. And they have enough discernment and can at least usually discern information decent enough to say, okay, look, the Catholics are not addressing these huge issues. Protestants are not addressing these huge issues. And now we've reached a stage where. And I think you could vibe with this, like, a lot of the Protestants and Catholics are kind of moving away from debating.
- [59:05]
Danny
Yeah.
- [59:06]
Jay Dyer
Trent Horn has said, I'm not going to debate anymore because Andrew and Jay have made it toxic. Yeah. So he said his recent video, he says, I'm done debating is toxic now. I mean, he may still do it debate. But that was something like that in the video. Because I'm sure now that I've said that the Roman Catholic Jay stars lying about trans video. It was something like that. And then in the Protestant world, it was like Cleave and Gavin Ortland were like the last couple dudes that debate. And then they're basically. Basically they've quit.
- [59:31]
Danny
Yeah.
- [59:32]
Jay Dyer
Cleaves Orthodox. So Gavin's not really going to do any more debates.
- [59:35]
Danny
He's come to the. To the divine light side.
- [59:42]
Jay Dyer
Westhoff debated one dumb grifter, Billy Corson, and now he won't debate anybody because multiple. I mean, I've asked Wes multiple times. Ruslan even reached out to west up to debate me, and now he won't do it. Will do it. So. So I think they basically, the whole. In the religious sphere, like, those guys have basically quit. Nobody really wants to have serious debates with orthodox people. Because you performed very well, I think, in the debates that you did with the Catholics. I think I've done well with Protestants and Muslims. And even, even the Muslims have kind
- [60:16]
Danny
of like, your coverage of the Islamic dilemma was phenomenal.
- [60:19]
Jay Dyer
Thank you.
- [60:19]
Danny
Absolutely phenomenal.
- [60:21]
Jay Dyer
And even the Muslims have kind of like died down. They're not as aggressive online as they were. So I think a lot of people are seeing, like, you know, when it comes to the actual intellectual issues, who did the best, really? There's just a couple atheists that I did an atheist debate a couple days ago. That was the first time I've done atheist debate in probably three or four years.
- [60:42]
Danny
So people, I mean, like, I hear this all the time. Like one cleric. I was talking to a clergyman, orthodox clergyman. He was, you know, he's a boomer and he's a very nice man. I love him very much. And he said, I don't like debates at all. I think they're a waste of time. And, you know, I'm thinking, like, there's three people at my parish now simply because of that. Debate with voice of reason. There's three people at my parish because of that,
- [61:09]
Jay Dyer
debates. I think this is a lost art form. One, because, you know, this is part of classical pedagogy. You learn to do debate and rhetoric as well. That's all part of the classical education scheme. So it's odd to me that anybody who's educated, no offense to your priest, that they would think that that's somehow bad or something. I think it's typically kind of a, maybe an American evangelical mindset to think that that stuff is mean and it's too intellectual or whatever.
- [61:36]
Danny
It's also a boomer thing.
- [61:37]
Jay Dyer
It's a boomer thing.
- [61:38]
Danny
They grew up in a world that was extremely homogeneous.
- [61:41]
Jay Dyer
Us.
- [61:41]
Danny
And so the idea of confrontation is very like, we're civilized people. We don't do this. We can agree to disagree. Meeting in the middle, putting aside what I want, what you want to meet, you know, that's a strength. Whereas for Gen Z and for millennials, especially for Gen Z, though, they've seen, like, look, there's no meeting in the middle with the barbarian hordes that are flooding across the board.
- [62:03]
Jay Dyer
Right.
- [62:04]
Danny
There's no, there's no meeting in the middle of these, these, these H1B barbarians. It's not going to happen.
- [62:10]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, Totally different type of people.
- [62:13]
Danny
Yeah.
- [62:14]
Jay Dyer
And many of those people don't share the same appreciation for debate intellectually. They'd rather just punch you or, you know, if you're talking about, let's say, Adiq Arab Muslim populations, they're not going to debate you. They don't care about the virtues of the, you know, Federalist Papers. Are we going to get the, you know, these people to read the Federalist Papers and understand the Constitution enough?
- [62:37]
Danny
You're not, you're not going to get posh tunes to be, you know. Yeah, the. I mean, and that's the other thing is you hear people say, like, well, in the debates, it's so rude. And you go, okay, what about in the church fathers? I mean, you have vitriolic language. I mean, vitriolic language even from Eastern fathers. Oh yeah, especially, you know, Saint Cyril repeatedly calling mysterious names. You know, I mean, if you read St. Cyril's somewhere around here, St. Cyril's Glafira or Glafira, his commentary on the Torah. The editor has to give a disclaimer on the anti Jewish, anti Judaism, I should say anti Judaism, not anti Jewish. Because we don't hate Jews.
- [63:23]
Jay Dyer
Right.
- [63:23]
Danny
It's not that we love them. We want to save them. We want them to Be regrafted onto the body of Christ, onto the chosen people. The church. Church is a chosen. We want to regraph them all.
- [63:34]
Jay Dyer
But the religion is a cult, right?
- [63:35]
Danny
The religion has become a cult. We, we love Jews. That's why we want to save them. We want to save them from burning in hell for all eternity, because that's, that's where it's going. I mean, without Christ, there's. There's no salvation. That's what it is. And I hear this, you know. Well, actually, if I just. We can't judge. No, we can. We can. Christ is very, very clear on this. I'm the alpha, the omega. There's one way in.
- [63:59]
Jay Dyer
Can't reject Christ. Which is why it was so kind of shocking to me when we were having that last phase of the attempt of the Catholic apologist to defend this idea that the God of Christianity is identical to the God of Islam. Because Vatican II says that. And it's like, well, John says in 1 John 2 that if you reject the Son, you reject the Father, you can't have the Son without the Father, etc. So this idea that, you know, oh, we'll, we'll appeal to more people if we just, you know, pretend that the Abrahamic faith is this common generic monotheism, it's not. So, yeah, that's, that's, that's the, you know, hard truth of John 14. Right. I'm the way, the truth and the life. Nobody comes to the Father without me.
- [64:41]
Danny
So, yeah, it's very straightforward. Yeah, but it's. And it's, you know, we're told constantly, well, you're mean, you're this, you're. That's like, look, you read these patristic words. Works. They're, they're really quite abrasive. And you go, well, that was a culture back then. Okay? That's now the culture. What are you going to do? Well, it was a culture, then it was okay, but now it's not. But. Well, no, it is now it is. Now, again, if you base your arguments and relativism and how the culture is, you've completely lost, right, that. Objection.
- [65:09]
Jay Dyer
Well, Americanism is also premised on pluralism. And so people just assume, especially a lot of boomers, the presupposition is that pluralism is a virtue. Is it? I mean, maybe it's not, right? So, you know, if we're committed and believe our positions, then you can't. And by the way, like you pointed out earlier, these other cultures, they're not pluralistic, especially like Islam. No, Islam doesn't care about your tolerance and your. They're not going to return the favor of your, you know, they think that
- [65:44]
Danny
you seeding points and trying to middle. Yeah, they don't. Yeah, they don't view it as a strength to be reciprocated. They view it as a weakness to be exploited.
- [65:51]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. So that's a kind of a naivety. I think that a lot of the. The boomer mindset is susceptible to. But yeah, I think that also the Gen Z is. And millennials as well. Like a lot of people are just realizing that Protestantism and modern, you know, gay Catholicism, it's just. Who wants that? So what's left? I mean, there's not a whole lot of other options. And there is, you know, a growing Orthodox church, which, you know, when you go there, you at least don't see a hip hop mass. You don't see a clown mass. You don't see, you know, some crazy Protestant pastor, I don't know, pouring Aunt Jemima syrup on the Bible. Like some of the megachurch. Yeah, there was a megachurch pastor that was like, I think it was making an analogy to, like, eating the Word and he was like, I'm gonna pour some hot. Some hot sauce syrup on this Bible right here. Yeah, it went viral. It was, it was. But I'm saying, like, that's just clown church. You know what I mean?
- [66:44]
Danny
Swinging a sword around.
- [66:46]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. Who wants to go to clown church? Right? I think people see. Well, at least the Orthodox church visibly is aesthetically pleasing. It's ordered, it's rational, it's sensible. And so I think just those kinds of basic things resonate with people who are looking for some idea of what a historic traditional religion would look like.
- [67:10]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [67:47]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [68:18]
Danny
I'm the one of the. Well, actually that I know, the only person I know who's not surprised the amount of conversions going on. And the reason is I could just tell with, with society going down the toilet and culture going down the toilet, people would come flooding in, conversion wise, because they want something stable.
- [68:35]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, exactly.
- [68:36]
Danny
And like you said. Okay, so getting back to that point about when you go into an Orthodox church, it looks ancient, it smells ancient, it sounds ancient, it feels ancient. The ancient is stable. It's endured. Right. It's endured through the ages. But when you go into, say, you know, your standard Roman Catholic church, you know, it's sort of stripped down. It looks like a Lutheran church, you know, the Latin Mass movement is effectively dead. I predicted years ago when I was on your show that within our lifetimes, the Latin Mass would effectively be like the mos. Arabic rite.
- [69:14]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
You know, a few handful parishes. Yeah. Just it's. It's a tourist attraction now. You're going to see more Latin Mass parishes surviving outside of papal control than inside of it. They really just want to get rid of it. And so you're left with what was. What's effectively just, you know, you know, friendly community of boomers as opposed to something that really nourishes you. And that's not to say there aren't good people there. I met many good people, were Romans, Catholics. Very good. You know, but it is, it is not what it was. And you notice that Whenever these Catholic YouTubers try to advertise Catholicism, it's always Byzantine icons. It's images of this traditional Latin Mass. When I lived in Seattle, it was 192 parishes in the Archdiocese of Seattle. One of them was Latin Mass. And they talk about how people drove from so far.
- [70:08]
Jay Dyer
I drove two hours throughout my time, 20s to go to Latin Mass.
- [70:11]
Danny
Yeah. And they drive so far, but it's like, okay. And this is still all you can get. I mean, people are just, they're not really into it. It's, it's. The audience is not there for it. You know, I mean, the, the audience for the Latin Mass is not there in Catholicism, just like the audience for Western right Orthodoxy is not really present in the Orthodox Church. That's not to slam the western right stuff, but it's just, it's a reality.
- [70:34]
Jay Dyer
Right.
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Danny
How would you say that you've grown or changed as a person since entering the church?
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Jay Dyer
Good question.
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Danny
I mean, how many years has it been now?
- [70:45]
Jay Dyer
Seven if you count catechumen it. Eight or nine.
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Danny
Okay.
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Jay Dyer
But I think, you know, Father Turbo calls, said it best when he said, when you're, before you're Orthodox, you kind of think all these things out there. I'm going to fix all these problems out there. You need to change. And then when you become Orthodox and after a few years you start to realize all the problems that vices that you haven't fixed. Right. So I think that was the, the biggest revelation over the last several years was rather than worrying so much about everybody else's problems and the politics and the geopolitics and all that stuff and fixing the world, it really changes the focus about beating the passions. So I would say that hopefully, by God's grace, I've made some progress in terms of beating some passions. I don't think that I had as much patience nowadays as I did six, seven years ago. So this year, for example, especially I wanted to focus on, you know, due to my spiritual father's guidance and whatnot, just trying to be dispassionate about what people are doing in debates because I had a tendency to just immediately react to whatever a person in debate's doing to me. If they're getting vicious, I get vicious. Right. And so last two big debates we've had, I focused on just being dispassionate and letting them kind of go crazy. I don't have to be as crazy back.
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Danny
It was entertaining.
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Jay Dyer
And you can still be effective, you know, without being super equally aggressive. So I just let the, the past two atheists go, go wild and I just kind of sit there and chill out, hopefully. And not just with that, but debate public setting, but also with my wife and other settings. Like being patient. Yeah, wives are great for learning patience. Like you have to, you know, know figure out how to navigate that whole world. As you said, women have a civilizing effect on dudes.
- [72:49]
Danny
That's right.
- [72:50]
Jay Dyer
So hopefully my wife has also contributed to some spiritual growth. I mean, obviously I have other passions that I've not. Still get impatient, still get, you know, have lustful thoughts, still have temptation to other vices. But yeah, I think from a practical perspective, like learning to Be patient with people has been the first big lesson and overcoming a lot of anger. I know. Like. Like one thing that will happen, and maybe other people have discussed this in the Orthodox world. When you become Orthodox, you. You, especially during Lent, like, you get tempted with certain types of things that are intent on ruining you.
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Danny
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And I know that, like, a couple Easters back, we had some really bad things happen, and even my priest got really kind of in my face rebuking me, and he needed to. It was a good rebuke. But when the rebukes are happening, it's not pleasant. It's very unpleasant when you're getting rebuked. But looking back on that, I'm like, I'm actually glad that that happened. So, point being, there is just that, like, you're. When you're in the Orthodox world, for a while, you will begin to. It's almost like there's a. It's like a doctor assessing the main problems that you have, and your first inclination is to say, I don't have those problems. But then over time, you realize, oh, actually I do. So that has been, I think, the biggest revelation, hopefully, for the first, you know, eight years of Orthodoxy, is. Is that kind of stuff. And then we had a good discussion with Father Turbo the other day. I think a lot of people say he's spiritually gifted with being able to kind of immediately assess what your problem is, but he doesn't tell you your problem in an overt way. He kind of just talks to you and lets you realize what your problems are.
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Danny
Yeah.
- [74:40]
Jay Dyer
So he's very. He's very skilled and. And gifted at that. And we did a good podcast on that that highlighted this issue. And so I'm just giving a shout out to Father Turbo. But, yeah, I hopefully. I think that. But another thing I learned, too, was, like, you're going to be battling the passions your whole life.
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Danny
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And so you can't get, like, super down because you don't defeat all the passions within a couple years. I think a lot of people have a mindset of, oh, I mean, I'm Orthodox now. Like, you know, it's over. It's cool, I won. Well, no, now you have to fight the passions, and then you're gonna. You're not gonna beat those overnight. So that's another thing you have to grapple with. You know what I mean? I mean, we're always going to be battling these things. It's not like, oh, yeah, I mean, for example, I don't have a. I'm not. I'm not tempted to steal stuff. That's not a vice for me. But other things are a temptation. So are those temptations going to go away? Probably not as long as I'm alive.
- [75:40]
Danny
Right. It's like St. Anthony the Great says, expect temptation till the last breath.
- [75:44]
Jay Dyer
Exactly.
- [75:45]
Danny
Yeah. I mean, when you enter the church, you're really entering the, the gym, so to say the, the, you're entering the training center, you're being trained to be a fighter. And you know those periods of fasting, those are your sparring sessions, those periods of non fasting, you're building up muscle, you're learning the moves. You go into Lent, that is your con, that's your tournament, that's your, you know, that's your live tournament, you know, your Wednesdays, your Fridays, your sparring sessions. And yeah, you're going to get beaten up during Lent, so to say you're going to be, you know, despondent, depressed. We had a priest years ago who told me years and years and years ago, Father Thomas Davis of blessed memory. And he said that you can tell that it's Lent simply from the confessions because the rates of despondency and depression go up. These demons don't like it when you're fasting. They hate it, right? It's, it's. I mean, you can tell that there's a devil, that there's Satan, that there's demons simply from what happens when you start to draw close to God. They'll do anything to pull you back, right? They're losing someone, they hate that. And, and you, you see it, you know, I mean, I, I was at, actually went with someone to, to accompany them for an exorcism at St. Anthony's Monastery years, probably two decades ago. And the priest starts to read the prayers over this person and if you think you know who this person is, please don't say their name. But I remember that the priest,
- [77:22]
Jay Dyer
deacon, and I saw him, I'm joking, the
- [77:27]
Danny
priest, it was a female actually. The priest was sitting here and I was sitting here and the woman was sitting here. And the priest goes, okay, kneel down. And so she kneels and I'm sitting here, okay, and the priest is here and he lifted up his, his stole, right? Which is what the, you know, the priest stole the epitrochilion and he lifted, moved it towards her head. And you know how like when you, when a cat is sitting there and you reach your hand out and the cat kind of does that, that stole got close to her face and she went like that and I put my hand behind her back, pushed her forward. He set the stole on her head, and it slammed her into the ground. And the pleading started in different voices. She's squirming on, moving. And the priest has this book open. He's sitting like this. He has this book of prayers of exorcism. That's in Greek. And I'm, like, sitting there. I'm kind of looking over, and I'm like, you know, like she's trying to move. And I'm like, oh, God, what's she gonna do? And she's laying on the floor, like, writhing.
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Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [79:13]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Take care of yourself this spring with great savings on all your favorite wellness brands. Now through April 28th. Save $5 when you buy three or more participating wellness items. Shop in store or online for products like centrum, silver nexium, 24 hour, Tums ultra strength or Smoothies tablets, and Flonase spray. And save $5 when you buy three or more. Get these deals before they're gone. Offer ends April 28th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
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Danny
And I notice as he's going through this book, and the words are very large, every time he said the name Jesus or Jesus Christ for body would jolt like it was being electrocuted. And finally, what felt like 10 minutes. I have no long. I have no clue how long it was. Probably about 10 minutes, simply because the prayers for exorcism are fairly long. But she goes totally silent. And the priest looks up at me and he goes, breathe. She doesn't move. He pulls out some relics, moves them above her head, which he had done before during the exorcism, with her eyes closed, he'd bring the relics of St. George above her. That was another point where her body would like jolt all of a sudden is being electrocuted. Okay. I'll never forget that pleading sound. You know, they're losing someone. The demons are. They don't like that. They don't like it at all. They're punished horribly when they lose someone. Right. But it's, you know, we have to remember that our actions are leading people to Jesus or pushing them away from Jesus. You know, even being too nice, you know, being a dish rag is, is.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
Is just as much pushing people away, telling people they don't need to convert.
- [80:59]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
You know, be, oh, you're just fine where you are. It's like, no, you aren't.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
You know, you're outside the training gym.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. I think one of the elders said or something like sometimes tolerance and being nice is just a cloak for cowardice.
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Danny
Oh, most of the time. Yeah, most of the time. You know this, it's why libertarianism is the movement of losers. It's just people, they just think it's like noble to be like resigned to failure.
- [81:29]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [81:29]
Danny
It's some sort of noble trait like I don't care about anything, therefore I'm more enlightened. It's like you don't care about anything, therefore you're a loser.
- [81:36]
Jay Dyer
Right. Well, you know, it's funny because also I think something that changed in me, and I'm not anti intellectual or anti book knowledge, but I do think that especially my 20s and 30s, like that was kind of an idol. And I care a lot less about the book academic stuff as I did in my 20s and 30s. So that's something else that's, that's changed. And to me it's interesting because it's a lot more freeing. I mean, I'm still very interested in intellectual pursuits. I do intend to, you know, they're enjoyable. Yeah, it's fun, but it's not the main thing as it was for me in my 20s and 30s. So that's another, I think, freeing aspect of orthodoxy to where, you know, in the Roman Catholic or even the Protestant world, it's, it's all really just ideas and it's all about the system. It's all about, you know, who's got the more coherent, you know, set of systemic, you know, theological presentation, the magisterium obsession. And I don't care about that anymore.
- [82:33]
Danny
More about transformation.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly. Perfect.
- [82:37]
Danny
And we're, we're about transforming the human. And that's the real miracle that you see is a human transform.
- [82:42]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. And just having a bunch of ideas doesn't transform you, it just changes Your ideas. Yeah, you're just changing out Calvinism for Thomas.
- [82:51]
Danny
So ideas that don't turn into changes in life are just simply their waste of time. Yeah. And that's why, like, I mean, I'm sure you get unbelievable amounts of requests for reading material and whatnot. And you probably have lots of people going, well, how do I understand essence Energies?
- [83:09]
Jay Dyer
And it's like there's more basic stuff than that.
- [83:12]
Danny
Like are you praying in the morning or evening?
- [83:14]
Jay Dyer
Why don't you mentioned earlier you wanted to actually recommend because. And for people that are watching this, when you guys, you know, you guys email me DM me all the time. Ubi's been orthodox a lot longer than I have, so he would be a great person to recommend some places to start.
- [83:29]
Danny
These are great books if you want to read patristic literature. St. Vladimir Seminary Press produces these. You have St. Cyril on the unity of Christ, St. Germanus of Constantinople on the Divine Liturgy.
- [83:39]
Jay Dyer
When I was Roman Catholic, actually.
- [83:40]
Danny
Oh, it's great. It's in Facing English and Greek. So it's actually about half the length. I mean, look at how little that is. It's actually half the length. St. John Chrysostom, Marriage and Family Life. St. John Chrysostom, Six Books on the Priesthood. St. Isaac of Nineveh, On a Saddle Life. Amazing work. Right. We have on Mystical Life.
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Jay Dyer
That's really good too.
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Danny
Really wonderful. Volume one. There's a few more volumes if you want really great homilies on the Bible. Short homilies. You have St. Peter chrysologos. He writes, you know, homilies five minutes long. Can get them online. They're amazing. He talks about Old Testament typology. In the New Testament you learn theology and, and that's really what people need to be doing. Yeah, is, is reading church fathers, you know, not doom scrolling. And they go, well, I don't know where to start. And it's like, oh, there you go, here you go. And then as far as really great material for catechism, there's this great book, the Divine Services of the Orthodox Church. It's written, written by three scholars who are clergy. It's meant to be used sort of like a missile so you can take it with you to church. And it gives explanations of the services so you're not totally lost. I mean, beautiful, beautiful illustrations in this book. Beautiful iconography.
- [84:57]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square alliance against hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, support. Sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.
- [85:35]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [86:06]
Danny
You will. You will know all of the things that most people don't know as you go through each service, regardless of what it is. So I know that you guys have really short attention spans. We all do because you know social media. But this is a great book simply because you don't have to read it all the way through. You're in the service.
- [86:29]
Jay Dyer
I had a guy messaged me a couple days ago on Twitter and he said, hey, I just walked in Orthodox church for the first time. I was totally lost. What do I do? Well, there you go.
- [86:37]
Danny
There you go. Great book you can find on Amazon.com the link is in the video description. Also for your books, we're going to link those in the video description.
- [86:46]
Jay Dyer
So you go to my website jasonalysis.com I have a shop there you can get they're all signed copies, so the advantage of getting it from me is that we do sign them. That's because Jeff Bezos offers it and I don't make anything from whatever Bezos sells on Amazon. So if you get it from me, they're all signed. And I do have also a philosophy book as well that you can get at the website. So there's three Hollywood books and then one philosophy book.
- [87:11]
Danny
What is your philosophy book on? We haven't touched on that yet.
- [87:14]
Jay Dyer
So a lot of the grad papers I wrote I thought were pretty good kind of introductory issues relating to like the philosophy of the logi, the logos Kind of analyzing that stuff from a philosophical perspective. There's an. A couple essays on Plato, Symbolism in Homer.
- [87:36]
Danny
Homer's great.
- [87:36]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, I love Homer. We did a big analysis. I did a big grad paper on Achilles's shield and all the symbolism in the shield. There's a, there's an essay on Leibniz, there's an essay on critiquing Aquinas in there. So it's a lot, it's kind of a variety of things. Sounds excellent, but it's really written for people with kind of a mid level knowledge of philosophy if they wanted to just read some of my essays and ideas on some of the. Some random topics. But there's also an essay on Machiavelli. He wrote a book called Book of Art of War. Not Sun Tzu's Art of War, but Machiavelli's Art of War. There's a lot of really fascinating like nuggets and tidbits in that. So it's kind of all over the place. And then there's another book. It's not really a book, but it's just somebody online collected together all of my blog posts and put it into a big giant red book.
- [88:29]
Danny
Was very flattering.
- [88:31]
Jay Dyer
I didn't know they were going to do it. They did it. Which I don't mind now, but originally when they did it kind of made me mad because I had no idea who it was. They were selling it.
- [88:40]
Danny
Oh.
- [88:41]
Jay Dyer
So I tried to. I kept trying to take it down from Lulu. They were publishing and selling it without my permission. I kept trying to take it down. I was like. They just. It kept going back up. So I was like, well, I guess I'll just sell it. It's my stuff and they did put it together for me. But anyway, people can get that if they want, but it's, it's just old blog posts and there's a lot of philosophy, a lot of geopolitical stuff in there, some apologetic stuff, critiquing the papacies in that book. But yeah, so. But the Hollywood books, they're not. Even if you don't like movies, the reason that the books are good is that I thought 10 years ago a way to kind of wake people up to a lot of the real conspiracy stuff. Not crazy UFOs, crap like that, but real stuff like who's controlling our government? Like why is there propaganda in movies? Right. That's kind of what I was going for, for. And I know that most people are not going to read a boring geopolitical book. So I thought why not tie that into film and movies and that kind of stuff? So this one deals with Marvel. I'm not a Marvel fan, not into comic book stuff, but I had so many people saying, hey, how come you didn't deal with, you know, Marvel movies in the first two volumes? That's like the biggest blockbuster stuff last 30 years, 20 years. Okay, fine, I'll do that. For the first 50, 60 pages, we cover Marvel stuff. I get into some of the occult satanic stuff in Hollywood. In volume three, we get into some B movies that are kind of weird. Then we get into a lot of, like, weird early historical stuff with some of the first movies that were actually ever made were actually based on Aleister Crowley, the Satanist.
- [90:20]
Danny
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
So the Mysteries of Myra, which was a weird serial in the 1910s or 20s. Again, one of the first movies ever made, which back then it was just kind of silent serials based on the most famous Satanist of the 20th century. So Hollywood's kind of born out of the satanic, ironically.
- [90:37]
Danny
Oh, I was blown away when I listened to Rachel Wilson's show on. On Joe Rogan when she went on. I had no idea about the history of feminism. It's not an area that I. That I'm interested in. And I thought, oh, my gosh. You know, and then my brother listened to it as well, and he bought two copies of the book. He's like, you know, and really fascinating. I mean, wow. Okay. I mean, I'm. I'm really like a history and languages kind of guy. I'm, you know, it's like the dad. I mean, I like my languages, like, like my steak, you know, dad, you know. But hearing that connection between, like, you know, Alistair Cowley and Satanism and all
- [91:26]
Jay Dyer
these horrifying early Hollywood.
- [91:28]
Danny
In early Hollywood, the CIA is in there. You have, you know, the tribe. Whoa. Okay. I mean, we really are controlled by a cabal. There's no doubt about it. The things that you were saying 10 years ago are beyond undeniable now.
- [91:44]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. And credit to my publisher because he also published a couple years ago Whitney Webb's book One Nation Under Blackmail, which the second volume deals with Epstein. And she put that out four or five years ago. So it came out maybe 20, 21, 2022. But what's interesting about that is that all of the Epstein stuff in her book particularly. I mean, she's very. It's very well sourced, but she went into a lot of connections with. With the Rothschilds, that kind of stuff that's all been borne out.
- [92:13]
Danny
Oh, yeah.
- [92:13]
Jay Dyer
The Files have come out and my first chapter in Est Hollywood One dealt with the Rothschilds and Hollywood. And so the first book also touched on that theme 10 years ago. And I feel vindicated as well. So, you know, again, shout out to the publisher because not, not a lot of publishers are willing to put this kind of stuff out. Oh, yeah, I mean, so shout out to Chris for doing that. He's. He's always been a good, A good publisher, so I appreciate that. And yeah, so like you said with feminism, I mean, yeah, Rachel was spot on with that and, and the history of it going back into, like, witchcraft and, you know, you have these weird, hideous women in the Middle Ages that were outcasts and they kind of become the seed for where feminism would go. There's a direct, direct connect between witchcraft and feminism. But also Hollywood has been a massive evangelist for feminism. And I didn't cover that in the first two books. And so I spent about 60 pages or so in this book about just how self conscious I think Hollywood is in pushing the feminist gnostic archetype to reverse and invert the roles of men and women to where. No, now it's the women that are the heroes. They're the saviors. And to be a hero woman, you must also emasculate the man. Yeah, that's part of the whole ethos. So anyway, yeah, I deal with that in there and then the last couple chapters deal with how Hollywood misappropriates the Antichrist because ultimately Hollywood itself is Antichrist.
- [93:45]
Danny
Absolutely.
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Jay Dyer
But they have a lot of films that have presented an Antichrist in very bizarre Antichristian ways. So it's kind of a. It's like they're taking Antichrist but making Antichrist something that it's not to almost sell Antichrist. So that makes sense.
- [94:02]
Danny
Repackaging the evil, putting. Putting that. Well, not just putting lipstick on a pig, but inverting it.
- [94:09]
Jay Dyer
So basically, I mean, what Hollywood thinks is Antichrist is Christ and what Hollywood thinks is Christ is Antichrist.
- [94:16]
Danny
Yeah, it's always the oppressive white, straight white male trope.
- [94:22]
Jay Dyer
And then there's also a couple chapters on intelligence agencies. I mean, most of part one and Part two were about that in Hollywood, but here I actually highlighted quite a few A list actors that people may or may not know were actually spies. Quite a few, which is people. Most people don't know that. So there's a chapter on that. And even in the last few years, the US National Archives have actually declassified several documents relating to some of the A listers who were Spies. Sterling Hayden, for example, was an OSS operative.
- [94:53]
Danny
Oh, no way.
- [94:55]
Jay Dyer
Jimmy Stewart was an informant for the FBI. Cary Grant worked for the oss. John Ford was a director working with oss. A lot of the OSS people. But then since especially during the Cold War, you had a lot of a listers that were recruited into being spies
- [95:11]
Danny
for the CIA, wasn't Julia Childs the.
- [95:13]
Jay Dyer
She was. Yeah, she was in the oss. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. A lot of British intelligence people for sure. But. And then of course, Mossad too. And I do touch on some of that.
- [95:22]
Danny
I mean, do you think like with CIA, Mossad, MI6, like it's all just one mega or.
- [95:28]
Jay Dyer
I think the. I mean the five eyes nations all coordinate. Absolutely. Sure.
- [95:33]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game, like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials. And there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself. But the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, support. Sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [96:10]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [96:42]
Danny
Where do you see the situation in the gulf going right now? Now, keep in mind, this is being recorded on Saturday, March, what? 12th. Today, 13th, 14th. March 14th. Okay. This is being recorded on Saturday, March 14th. Where do you see the situation going in the Gulf? Because right now, pretty much everyone I talk to is just like, we don't know. This could go anywhere. This could cool down, heat up in a bit. This could, it's, it's, you know, throw the die.
- [97:17]
Jay Dyer
Well, I think Donald thought that because he had advisors telling him that, you know, what, two weeks.
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Danny
Yeah.
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Ryan Seacrest
With two weeks to flatten the Iran.
- [97:27]
Jay Dyer
Only don't worry, it's going to be four, probably four or five days. I don't know, probably the best war ever. I, I don't think it's going to be two weeks to flatten the Iran. I think it's going to be a protracted situation. It's going to take a lot longer than Syria took 15 years to topple Assad. I would imagine, given the fact that Iran's a much more powerful, military capable nation over Syria, that's going to take longer. I think a lot of people have been surprised that they were able to achieve what they did with the failure of the Iron Dome and David Slim. Exactly.
- [98:03]
Danny
Collapse.
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Jay Dyer
I don't know if you saw the news today. I don't know if this is confirmed because it was just on Twitter today. People have not seen Netanyahu, so there's speculation that he might for several days. So he might have also not made it, I don't know. So I suspect that it will be a protracted conflict. Of course, there's always the concern that this could bring China and Iran in as well. China and Russia, I mean, I assume China and Russia on the side of Iran as a larger conflict as well. So that could, I mean, it could be World War four, if you count the Cold War as World War iii. So I don't know where it's going to go, but I did not believe that it would be a few days or even two weeks or whatever. Trump has said. So massive mistake, in my opinion, on the part of the Trump administration. I think Warp C was a huge mistake. I think this was a huge mistake. Trump suppressing Epstein Falls was a huge mistake.
- [98:53]
Danny
He's been a huge disappointment the last six months.
- [98:55]
Jay Dyer
Six months.
- [98:56]
Danny
Unbelievable disappointment.
- [98:58]
Jay Dyer
Totally agree. But you know, you, you would know a lot more about the Middle east than I would. I just, I just know about it from books. So from a book perspective, I would just say that to me, this is a repeat of the older Likud Clean Break strategy, the Oded Yanon Plan. This is what Netanyahu and Lakud have wanted for a long time for the region. The Greater Israel Project.
- [99:21]
Danny
Can you explain for the listeners what the greater. The Greater Israel Project in the Clean Break are?
- [99:27]
Jay Dyer
So in the, I think early 80s, Ariel Sharon's advisor was a guy named Oded Yanon and it became known as the Odedianon Plan, which is kind of basically the same thing as the Greater Israel Project, which was Israel wanted to move beyond being a limited power in the region to having dominant power in the region. And that meant that they would take, you know, significant pieces and portions of land beyond what they had at that time. Fast forward to the 1990s for the exact year 98 or something like that. Netanyahu and the Likud at that time put out a paper called the Clean Break Strategy where they wanted to break free from older Israeli labor political leftist ideas of having Camp David Accord, deal with the plo, that kind of stuff. They wanted to again move in the direction of right wing Israeli dominance in the region. They wanted to have more of a capitalist model versus the labor model that they had. That's all in the clean bake strategy. But they, they list, which is interesting, several nations that they eight or nine, I don't remember it's seven or eight, something like that. But it's like it's Iraq, it's Iran, it's Syria, Egypt, I think Lebanon probably. Yeah. Anything near the. Basically all whatever basically surrounds Afghanistan in there. I don't remember. Could be.
- [100:56]
Danny
It's been a long time since I've read the paper.
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Jay Dyer
I read it recently because I had a debate, a pseudo debate with David Wood and apostate prophet Ridvan.
- [101:12]
Danny
Oh yeah, yeah.
- [101:13]
Jay Dyer
So I, I read that was about a year ago when we had this halfway debate on the David Woods Channel. So I don't remember talk about every specific nation, but I do remember that one of them lists, they're basically the same list but they update what the strategy is from 1982-98 and it's roughly kind of the same as what General Wesley Clark famously talked about with the seven nations plan that the Pentagon had that he saw after 911 that we're going to go into these countries. So in other words, 911 becomes a very useful tool in this toolkit of why we need to do what Israel wants in that region. So I would imagine probably Afghanistan is in there because it does factor in to, you know, the Pentagon strategy during that time period after 911 for sure. So anyway, the idea is basically just that Israel needs a much larger. It also includes micronations or breaking up all these other countries into micro states. And that could include and has included included according to Victor Ostrovsky, the former Mossad guy, actually arming people like ISIS and Al Qaeda or Jelani in Syria. Right. So that's why you would see Israel supporting something like that.
- [102:26]
Danny
The main backer of Kurdish nationalism is. Or one of the main backers, the
- [102:31]
Jay Dyer
former head of Mossad was in an interview a couple years Ago on or last year on Al Jazeera. And the A guy says, would you aid and give military assistance and hospital assistance to ISIS and Al Qaeda? He says, absolutely. He says, would you do that for Hezbollah? Of course not. It's like, well, wait a minute. So ISIS and Al Qaeda are allies of Israel, according to the former head of Mossad. Hezbollah being Shia, Iran obviously being. So that's kind of telling you right there. Right. And then of course, the have been many admissions that, you know, Israel helped create and arm Hamas as a destabilizing factor against the plo.
- [103:13]
Danny
So they took Sheikh Sheikh Yasin, just some unknown guy, and they. Gaza used to be known for its nightlife.
- [103:20]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, exactly.
- [103:22]
Danny
And by used to, I mean like
- [103:24]
Jay Dyer
before Hamas was found for Hamas. Right. And so in other words, people, I don't think they think about it like they might actually want destabilization.
- [103:32]
Danny
Absolutely.
- [103:33]
Jay Dyer
In these places, people think, no, Israel's democracy. They want freedom and they want America over there. No, no, they want different things, a different place. In fact, one of the. I think it's clean break, oddly enough, said that they wanted a Coptic Christian Egypt. I thought that was really weird.
- [103:49]
Danny
Until it becomes stable, in which case,
- [103:51]
Jay Dyer
I mean, then they would want it.
- [103:52]
Danny
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what people don't get is that for the Israelis, a stable name nation anywhere is a threat everywhere.
- [103:58]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. Yeah.
- [103:59]
Danny
A stable Nate. For the Israelis, a stable nation anywhere in the world is a threat everywhere to Israel.
- [104:06]
Jay Dyer
And when there's unstable Islamic rivals or terrorists, that's also an excuse for we must have all of the support from America because we're surrounded by our enemies. Well, you want decibilization, so that's. What an excuse. So anyway, yeah, so that's the Greater Israel Project. And you know, that's what we've seen, apparently, you know, BB Essentially telling Trump what to do.
- [104:32]
Danny
Yeah. As I'm watching this whole situation, you know, I'm in my early four, I'm 42, and you know, growing up, you're effectively taught by the news that Israel is just invincible. And watching these bombs fall on Tel Aviv is surreal. Watching these just streams of missiles landing and they can't stop them either. Absolutely. Hiding the death toll. You get on Israeli Twitter with the auto translate from Hebrew and they act
- [105:00]
Jay Dyer
like nothing's happened to you.
- [105:01]
Danny
No, some of the people I found, guys like, yeah, building next to me got hit.
- [105:05]
Jay Dyer
Oh, you mean the people that are like, not the news. Yeah, normal Acting like nothing's happened.
- [105:11]
Danny
Oh, the normal people are going like Building XP got hit.
- [105:13]
Jay Dyer
Oh, wow.
- [105:14]
Danny
You know, 20, 21 people dead. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay. I mean, yeah. I mean, you're watching these barrages coming in, you know, videos from, like, sailors out in the Mediterranean. It's like, okay, there's no way this is landing and people are being killed.
- [105:26]
Jay Dyer
Well, it's very different from the 80s because my dad, the only time he was deployed, he was deployed to the Gulf to sink to Iranian oil platforms under Reagan. It's called Operation Mantis. You can look it up. My dad was on the USS Bagley, which is one of the ships kind of in the upper part of that operation. And that at that time, Reagan was very intent on beefing up the military and turning it into this sort of big neocon, you know, global force. But I don't know that we're the same after 10 years of, like, trans military, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know if we're the same capable country as we were in the 1980s. Maybe it is. I don't know. I'm not a military expert, but I did do a pretty. Pretty significant interview a couple years ago with Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was Trump's choice for National Security Director, DNI. Although the Congress didn't approve him because he was too conservative. He wasn't lib enough. But Colonel McGregor, I think, has been pretty spot on with a lot of the criticisms of these. These operations and Trump and pointing out that, you know, we're not the military that we were in the 1980s. It's a lot different. And so we may not be as effective in these operations like boomers want to believe.
- [106:38]
Danny
Well, it's also that it's not just that we're less effective and we're doing less well in these operations, that. That. It's. That there's. There's very real repercussions for us going in. And all of a sudden, okay, was it three or four thaad sites were wiped out almost right away. Okay, so now we have to pull them from Korea.
- [106:56]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the blue square spot during the big game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, support. Sharing the blue square is one small way to do that.
- [107:33]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [108:04]
Danny
South Korea in order to do it so now our ally in South Korea is not protected. Okay, so these Gulf nations sided with the U.S. they sided with us because they said, okay, you can protect us from Iran, you can keep the Straits of Hormuz open, which is how we get our lifeblood, our oil, out of here and we can make our money. They thought, okay, the US can keep Israel safe is what we've always thought. And then on top of it, if we can keep Israel safe, we can keep the region stable. All of a sudden you're watching as Iran, this country that we were told was going to be toppled right away, takes out the Thaad sites. They're bombing Israel with impunity. They're effectively trolling the Israelis by sending in missiles every few hours so no one can them sleep. They're making people go crazy. Our allies have now learned, okay, we can't keep them safe in the Gulf. We can't, we can't keep the Straits of Hormuz open. We can't keep, we cannot keep Israel safe. If we can't keep Israel safe, can we keep Jordan safe or Egypt? No. Which means that now we have to spend more money buying these countries off to keep peace. That's what we effectively do. We buy off Egypt, we buy off Jordan.
- [109:16]
Jay Dyer
Right.
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Danny
Then you have China watching. Okay, what are the countries in East Asia that depend on the US you have South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, to a very real extent, Australia, lesser so. But all is in Guam. Right. And so those countries are watching and going, okay, the US can't keep Israel safe. How's it going to keep us safe?
- [109:38]
Jay Dyer
So it's a huge blow to American soft power and international, you know, sway.
- [109:44]
Danny
Absolutely. I mean, we're not creating enough of these. What are the missiles they use for the, the Thad sites, the, or not the missiles for that site. See, Iron Dome missiles. I mean, what we can produce like what, seven of a month. Iran can produce 60, 70 missiles in a month. Takes at least two of those, those Iron Dom missiles to go up and take something out. Okay, now the Iranians are pulling out supersonic missiles. This can really accelerate quickly. This can get really ugly. And people look at, they go, well, you know, it's Israelis being killed or it's Muslims being killed. These are potential Christians.
- [110:22]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, these are.
- [110:23]
Danny
People are being killed without a chance to repent. These are, these are human beings are being buried under buildings.
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Jay Dyer
I saw, I just saw the headline yesterday. I didn't get a chance to look at it, but did Trump just, okay, ground troops, is that accurate? Do you know?
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Danny
I heard something about that.
- [110:38]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
I didn't follow. He.
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Jay Dyer
So now we're going to have troops. I think it was something like 5,000 troops, but I didn't confirm that. So I don't know.
- [110:46]
Danny
And this is really spiraling out of control quickly. And I remember Peter Zion. You know Peter Zion?
- [110:51]
Jay Dyer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [110:52]
Danny
He does a lot of nice stuff with demographics and economics. But I remember years ago, he's like, yeah, this Gaza thing, it's going nowhere. It's not going to spread.
- [110:59]
Jay Dyer
He also said that bitcoin will be at zero.
- [111:03]
Danny
But I remember when he said this Gaza war is going nowhere. And I'm thinking, you do not know the Middle East.
- [111:11]
Jay Dyer
Not many Americans do, as you, I'm sure you know, you know the area. Yeah, many Americans do not.
- [111:18]
Danny
Yeah, you, when, when they're saber rattling, that's when you know you're okay. When they're quiet, that's, that's when there's real things happening. Oh, yeah, the saber rattling is to make up for the fact that they can't do anything about it.
- [111:29]
Jay Dyer
Let me ask you a question, because you, you have knowledge of this region. One thing I've never really understood and I've read some books about Iran and some of these kinds of operations, but I'm still unclear on what do you think? It seems like Israel does engage in a lot of COVID actions in Iran to disable the capabilities of Iran to have nuclear technology or whatever. So there's some reality to, you know, killing nuclear scientists that Israel engages in. What do you think, in your opinion, is the reality in terms of the capabilities of Iran versus the Israeli propaganda of they're two weeks away from a nuclear bomb?
- [112:10]
Danny
I think if I had to place my money on It. I bet they already have one.
- [112:16]
Jay Dyer
Okay.
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Danny
And.
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Jay Dyer
And why do you think Netanyahu wouldn't just say they already have it?
- [112:23]
Danny
Because if he admits that they have one, the Israeli public is going to. To freak out.
- [112:26]
Jay Dyer
Oh, okay.
- [112:28]
Danny
H. I mean, you imagine that like. I mean, Jews are pretty skittish people.
- [112:32]
Jay Dyer
Wouldn't they be freaking out already though, like in terms of what's happening? Or maybe they are with the failure of Iron Dome in certain situations.
- [112:39]
Danny
Well, they are. I mean, you go on like average people on Israeli Twitter and you read through the. I'm so happy they brought back the auto translate of Hebrew on Twitter. But they. Yeah, they're freaking out. I mean, there's. This is awful. I mean, this is absolutely. I mean, this is. This is for them, like Turkish people getting DNA results like that. Earth shattering.
- [112:58]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
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Danny
I mean, this is really scary for them. I think the Iranians have lived under. I think they've lived under sanctions. They've lived under the brutality of the ayatollahs for so long. They're just like another, you know. Sure, whatever. For the Israelis, I mean, this is like. I mean, their military is not equipped for this.
- [113:17]
Jay Dyer
Right.
- [113:17]
Danny
In fact, their military is equipped for mowing down civilians.
- [113:22]
Jay Dyer
Exactly. If there was a great interview a year and a half or two years ago with Larry Johnson, the CIA guy who now just kind of does podcasts, kind of like John Kiriakou. Oh yeah, he did an interview before, right around October 7th, whenever that popped off. And Patrick Hansen did this great interview and. And they said, he said if this goes into a full on conflict and Iran gets involved, he says, you will see that Israel's military is not as capable as people think. So he was actually. He was correct, it looks like. So I'm curious, like, what do you think this leads to? Because you know this region.
- [114:02]
Danny
I think it's World War three.
- [114:03]
Jay Dyer
You do? Yeah.
- [114:04]
Danny
Or four. Yeah. I mean, it's going to soft, but it's just going to continually spread.
- [114:08]
Jay Dyer
Okay.
- [114:09]
Danny
The Iranians have been hunkered down and they're ready to fight. The US does not have the wherewithal because we're fat, dumb and happy.
- [114:15]
Jay Dyer
Right.
- [114:15]
Danny
We're fat, dumb and happy because the hard work of previous generations have made such a luxurious, easy, enjoyable life that
- [114:22]
Jay Dyer
now everybody's a podcaster.
- [114:23]
Danny
Yeah, yeah, the. I mean, we just. We don't have the wherewithal. The public opinion is not there. I mean, I mean, what is this war approval pulling out, like 20%?
- [114:34]
Jay Dyer
Really low.
- [114:34]
Danny
I mean, primarily amongst older generations. Yeah. Among the Younger generations is probably, you know, you know, single digits. And then even if you are for the war, the amount of money going into it is surreal. It's. I, I think that the, the problem is that there's just not enough money to buy these people off. And we're just printing off money. And who's going to.
- [115:05]
Jay Dyer
The future generations pay this infinite debt? Well, the dollar collapses.
- [115:09]
Danny
Well, they're going to pay the debt figuratively because. Yeah, collapse.
- [115:12]
Jay Dyer
Right.
- [115:13]
Danny
So they're going to pay for it in terms of the horrible. I mean, not horrible lives.
- [115:17]
Jay Dyer
Isn't it ironic, too, because remember, remember Trump's campaign? With her, you'll get World War Three.
- [115:22]
Danny
If you go with Hillary, you'll get World War iii.
- [115:25]
Jay Dyer
Not with me. I'm the peace candidate. You know what I mean? I've been working. I've been working on Trump, so it's
- [115:33]
Danny
a very good trop. I like it.
- [115:35]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. It's just. And I actually shared, I reshared his old campaign tweets like, you'll get World War Three with these people.
- [115:42]
Chelsea Handler
This is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea after the Big Game. Like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore. As someone who is Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [116:19]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [116:50]
Danny
Yeah, I mean, we've basically gotten. I mean, how is he now? 79?
- [116:54]
Jay Dyer
I don't know.
- [116:55]
Danny
Yeah, I mean, we've basically. I mean, we voted for Donald Trump. We voted. We voted for what the left thought Donald Trump Was, that's the Donald Trump I want. Okay. And instead we got a 79 year old, 6 foot 2, Kamala Harris. It is unbelievably disappointing. It's heartbreaking.
- [117:22]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. The first administration was full of neocons and supposedly. Oh, well, he didn't. You know, Trump was not swift enough to understand D.C. politics and he shouldn't have put John Bolton, all these people on his, on his staff. And then now we get this time around, oh, well, it's going to be different this time. It's going to drain the swamp. And it looked like for, you know, the first year, pretty, pretty awesome actions. Right? It was like all up on the up and up.
- [117:47]
Danny
The Doge stuff was great.
- [117:48]
Jay Dyer
That was great. And then just the last six months is just complete derail.
- [117:52]
Danny
So have you. I'm sure you. Well, I'm sure you have seen that video of the lawyers talking to the Doge kid. And he just does not care. That's fantastic. And they're like, well, do you have any background in grant writing? And he's like, no, no. And the thing is, is that all these people with like, you know, all these, like, sort of like slightly above IQ people, you know, the 105, the 110s, the kind of people that, that really lead the left intellectually, they simply cannot comprehend how someone with an IQ of 130, 140, 150, 140 is genius level. Right. So one, they can't comprehend someone with an IQ of 130, 140,. 150 can handle things relatively with ease that Someone with a 1 5, 110 IQ with master's degrees is struggling with. I mean, like, your IQ is based on pattern recognition. The higher your IQ is, a better you are at recognizing patterns. That's one of the, one of the hallmarks of high iq. It does not take a genius to do grant writing and just be like, well, okay, like, standards say no dei. Okay, well, it says dei.
- [119:02]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [119:03]
Danny
And they're talking to this kid and he's like, well, it says DEI in the title. And you realize it's like, I grew up in Seattle. Very, very, very far left place. All the, all the left really has is, is elitism and being smug.
- [119:15]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [119:15]
Danny
That's all they have. It's, it's just say, oh, you believe in that? It's like, yes, I do.
- [119:20]
Jay Dyer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [119:21]
Danny
And, and the presuppositions I have, like, in your debate, you asked, why is racism wrong?
- [119:26]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [119:27]
Danny
And the guy had no, like, intellectual
- [119:28]
Jay Dyer
framework because it means you're an asshole. That was his argument. Okay, okay. Well, what's wrong with being an. In your worldview?
- [119:35]
Danny
Maybe that's no God.
- [119:36]
Jay Dyer
So what's wrong with being an Right?
- [119:38]
Danny
And there's no, there's no. I mean, maybe that's a survival technique, being an Al.
- [119:42]
Jay Dyer
Funny, because in the debate he says, I actually hold you liable dire because you freely chose religion, which is a sickness for mankind. And he says, and yet you castigate gay people who don't make a choice to be gay. And I'm like, so wait a minute, wait a minute, Wait. Why could I not just be conditioned to believe my religion as a survival mechanism in the same way that you're giving a pass to homosexuals who don't make a choice? And he just sat there and was like, is this different? Well, why? There's no God. We're all just conditioned, he says, because of free will. Like, you understand that in philosophy, most of today's atheist philosophers, they don't believe in free will because free will is just as much a metaphysical commitment as God.
- [120:29]
Danny
Yeah.
- [120:29]
Jay Dyer
And if God doesn't exist and is a fairy tale, as Brian, the opponent in the debate, said, why is free will not a fiction? Can you observe free will in the microscope? Okay, well, then how do you know that there's free will? It's not in molecules. It's not matter. So what is it? It's a philosophical, metaphysical commitment that you can't empirically prove with a microscope. Same argument he's making against God.
- [120:51]
Danny
So he just couldn't follow it?
- [120:54]
Jay Dyer
No, he actually got that. That was a challenge. And then he went off into Trump. Let's get into Trump. So, yeah, every time in the debate when there's a real significant sort of challenge, it shifts into, let's talk about immigration. So.
- [121:10]
Danny
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah. I really admire how you're able to debate people because I'm just not. I mean, I'm a very bookish person who, you know, I, I, you know, I like, you know, just reading and studying and, And I'm not terribly articulate. And so I very much admire. I'm very wowed by how you can just debate and right away, like, break down these arguments. So I just kind of have to stare out and be like, how would I phrase this? You know, how would I. I mean, how did you. How have you always been that way? Is this training?
- [121:42]
Jay Dyer
It's a good question. I don't.
- [121:44]
Danny
When you look back on your early debates, are you like. Or are you like, oh, it's been pretty well, or how have you developed? Have you developed as a debater?
- [121:54]
Jay Dyer
If anything, if anything, I think the. The development would just be in being able to be way more concise and nailing down with precision the mistake that's being made. Because I think early on it would take me probably longer and I'd have to think longer and have to talk longer. But if you talk a lot in 10 years, which I think a lot of podcasts and a lot of yapping in 10 years, you actually get, I think, better at quickly formulating the thoughts and just kind of boiling it down. But also too say with atheists or perhaps even with Muslims and maybe even Catholics and Protestants as well. Like, the arguments that you hear are rarely anything new.
- [122:39]
Danny
Yeah, it's the same stuff.
- [122:40]
Jay Dyer
So when I was 19 and 20 was the first time I started debating and I listened to a lot of Boston debates and he would debate atheists and these people, and I would just listen to him and Gordon Stein debating over and over and over, because that's a really formative, excellent debate. Anybody who is interested in that, that's a classic atheist theist debate, the Bonds and Stein debate. You can find it on YouTube. I remember I listened to that probably 10 or 20 times, and I just realized, okay, this is a pretty amazing strategy of debating, is to just call into question people's assumptions. And really that's the history of what philosophy is. When Socrates is going out in the apology, and he's just sort of randomly asking people all throughout Athens, like, how do I know what the meaning of life is? And he goes up to the artisan and he says, oh, well, doing a craft is the meaning of life. And then he asked the politician, the politicians, politics is the real source of and meaning of life. And basically no one has a clear answer. And then he goes to Oracle at Delphi and he says, well, who's the real wise man? And the Oracle says, you are, because you don't know. And a lot low iq, people think that that means that we're all relativists and we should just have. No, he's just. Basically, it's an apophatic approach to saying, I have to kind of go through a questioning process of figuring out, okay, well, they don't have a consistent answer. They don't know. Theirs isn't inconsistent. They don't know. And so debate is kind of the same type of thing for me, which is, no, most people don't think about why their arguments are coherent or consistent. They just spout them out. And even People who are philosophers or professors even, most of them don't really think out their positions. And so a lot of people are just very arbitrary. I would say 90% of people, when they argue, it's just arbitrary. It's just assertions. Okay, but why ought we believe that? What's the good reasons for that belief? So, yeah, just kind of those basic principles and knowing basic logical fallacies, you're going to be able to beat 90, 95% of people. Really? Only when you encounter like a studied professor who knows you know those topics really well, would you, would you perhaps not do that? Great. But as you know, like, I've not heard an atheist present any new or different argument than I heard when I was 20.
- [124:59]
Danny
It's all just a problem of evil.
- [125:01]
Jay Dyer
It's that and begging the question or. Yeah, or just repeating relativism and subjectivism. Everything's relative. Okay, well, is that relative? I mean, it's the same basic stuff and it's. I think it's the same with Catholic apologetics.
- [125:15]
Danny
I mean, what would you say just overall though, is like the top five logical fallacies you encounter in debates?
- [125:22]
Jay Dyer
Obviously, number one would be people rely on ad hominem. I mean, well, that can't be true because you're bad, you're mean, you know, none of that has anything. Let's. Okay, fine, I'm Judas, but how is the argument wrong? Right. Because I mean, Judas, Judas could say something true. Right? Right. So his character doesn't have anything necessarily to do with the problem that he's, that he's, that he's addressing, unless the topic happens to be his character. In that case, it wouldn't be an ad hominem, but next would be probably just non sequiturs. This is really common where people make leaps to things that don't logically follow from what they argued. Right. So for example, I don't know, something
- [126:04]
Danny
like, so Iran is bad, therefore Israel's
- [126:06]
Jay Dyer
right, therefore Israel's good. Right? Well, that's a non sequitur. Exactly. Genetic fallacy would be another classic one that the origin or the source of something really has nothing to do with whether it's true, false or good, aka the source.
- [126:17]
Danny
Fallacy
- [126:20]
Jay Dyer
3 probably psychological report, which not, not technically, technically a fallacy, but a lot of times when you say this is very common with Matt Dolhunt, he does this all the time where he says, you know, I just find your arguments to be extremely unconvincing convincing. And I've heard this argument for many times, 20 times in my in my last 20 debates. And I, I really just find this. Well, that has nothing to do. It's. You're giving us a psychological report of how you feel about the arguments, but that's not an argument.
- [126:53]
Danny
Is that the same as begging the question? Maybe that's another one.
- [126:57]
Jay Dyer
Basically the same thing. Yeah.
- [127:00]
Chelsea Handler
Also, this is Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. After the Big Game, like most people, I kept thinking about the commercials, and there was one that stayed with me. It was from the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And it wasn't loud or flashy. It showed a Jewish kid being targeted at school and another student who chose not to ignore it. As someone who was Jewish, that moment felt very real to me. Not dramatic, just familiar. And what struck me was how clearly it showed that hate doesn't always announce itself, but the impact is still huge. If you saw the Blue Square spot during the Big Game, it's worth thinking about. And if you want to show support, support. Sharing the Blue Square is one small way to do that.
- [127:39]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [128:10]
Jay Dyer
People do parts whole fallacies all the time where they assume that's something that's true of part of an issue or part of a topic or something like that, you can then attribute that to the whole thing. Or correlation causation type fallacy. Those are common.
- [128:26]
Danny
What would be a good example of a correlation causation fallacy policy?
- [128:31]
Jay Dyer
Well, Brian did this where he said religion is bad because religion has caused millions of people have psychological problems and millions of people to die in the last century. So religion is bad. Well, the fact that a lot of people died in the 20th century is not necessarily distributed to religion necessarily. And you could make the same argument that atheism killed millions of people. Which again, if, if you're going to say that there's a connection between the cause of the thing and some other thing that might be correlated with it, that could lead you to, you can conclude all kinds of things. But also something that came up in the Brian Shapiro debate And this isn't that Father Deacon Ananias highlights a lot, which is that when people, people don't realize that in a debate when you argue something, you're necessarily allowing the opponent to also have the same type of argument because of the rules of debate. So if you argue, for example, that well it's true because truth is relative and I can just assert whatever I feel to be true, well then the other person can assert the opposite. And so basically you've conceded the debate because no one can get anywhere because you've basically given up the laws of logic and critical thinking. So essentially, you know, flipping this is not a two quoque fallacy, but flipping it, that's another one. What about ism where you, you know, that's a common one where people say. When you say. I said to Brian, well, Brian, can you tell me on. You know, we got into immigration and I said, what do you think sensible immigration would look like if it's open borders in other countries? Should Japan have infinity migrants? And he said yes, it's a universal rule that everyone should have a kind of open borders policy. And I said how is that a universal rule if you're a moral subjectivist. Relativist.
- [130:30]
Danny
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer
And then he went back and forth on well it's my personal preference, but I want that for everybody. I was like, okay, but how are you arguing that we ought to follow that if you're a relativist? Anyway, point being is that how did
- [130:43]
Danny
you stay calm with this guy?
- [130:45]
Jay Dyer
Because it was, it was actually very similar to the Tim Pool debate where it was kind of funny. Okay, it actually, I was actually having fun with it. And so when for example, he would get into. There was a great point about racism where he said, and you, you white people don't. You white Christian males don't give proper place to bipoc people and to Muslim Arab peoples whom I know very. And he was like pounding like they are good people. And I'm like, so you're dividing people up by the races? He's like, yeah. I was like, wouldn't that be kind of. Aren't you doing a racism.
- [131:21]
Danny
This is Brian Shapiro.
- [131:22]
Jay Dyer
And he's like, no, it's different.
- [131:25]
Danny
Let's do a surname etymology on Shapiro here.
- [131:29]
Jay Dyer
Well, and then he talked about he disagree with this aspect of synagogue of men and women being separated by genders and race. And I'm like, but Brian, you just said that you don't like white Christian males. So you're being racist, aren't you, on your own grounds.
- [131:49]
Danny
It's unbelievable to me because, like, you know, I was received into the church by a priest as a convert from Judaism, and I've known many, many converts from Judaism. And I find that when, when, when they convert to Christianity, they, they almost always become very empathetic. Very, you know, it really, like, they become very empathetic people. They're very caring, you know, they're very good at networking. So they go, okay, let's, you know, get in finances. Let's get the church's finances worked out. But when they go down the atheistic route, it's just like nihilism on steroids. It's like, how nihilistic, how obnoxious can I get about this? It's very sad. It's very sad because, you know, these are all humans who, who need. Need to be saved. They're in desperate need of. Of. Of Christ. Absolutely desperate need. And so no matter how much, you know, one likes or does not like certain ethnic or cultural groups, none of us can deny that these groups are better off outside the church. None of us can say that. Like, you know, for all the, for all the faults of say, you know, I don't know, like, say, you know, whatever culture. Name one that culture is not better off unconverted. Yeah, they're better off converted.
- [133:11]
Jay Dyer
Which is interesting because the majority of that debate the other day with that guy was all really just about practical effects. Religion hurts society. You as a white male who wants to have a. A wife at home, that hurts society, hurts women. It hurts bipoc people. I was like, by the way, I am a bipoc person. I identify as one. And you can't tell me I can't identify as one because then you'll be being a bigot. Right. He didn't really know what to do with that.
- [133:39]
Danny
But they hear that and they just, they don't have the thought process to be like, oh, wait, this does put me in a conundrum.
- [133:46]
Jay Dyer
Yeah.
- [133:47]
Danny
Because they're very absolute about their absolutes. It's absolutism for them. Relativism for you.
- [133:52]
Jay Dyer
For you. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's just like whether you're. You're debating with a sort of, you know, rabid atheist or leftist or whatever, materialist person. Like, it's always the same line of argumentations and it never changes. It'll be interesting to actually see an atheist or somebody offer some kind of new type of, like, it's basically just a repeat of the stuff that the Dennis Hawkins, Sam Harris people were saying. 20 years ago doesn't really change very much. So again, you know that though with, I mean the papacy debate's always the same debate doesn't really change. But. But yeah, I mean, anyway, well, anyone
- [134:36]
Danny
who's watching, if you want to come on, if you're willing to come out in person to Las Vegas, write to me. My contact info is in the video description. You want to tell your story, you have a book to promote, you have a film or, or whatnot that you'd like to promote, let me know. And you can be sitting where Jay is in, you know, matter of weeks. Jay, if they want to reach you, how do they contact you?
- [135:00]
Jay Dyer
Find me on YouTube, find me on Twitter, find me on all the normal social media outlets, just under my name website. I don't know if I have a contact on there anymore, but you can, can subscribe at the website for the archives books in the shop. But I think there is an email on the website if they do want to reach me on the email on the website.
- [135:19]
Danny
Okay. And where are you going from here? After you leave?
- [135:22]
Jay Dyer
We go directly to la and then we have a. A couple podcasts dealing with debates and Cooley, who's a black dude that does a YouTube channel geared towards debates going to be. He's trying to set up a debate with a black cuber Israelite dude. Oh. Which we have one of those guys. I think the guy that I'm going to debate actually did call in a year or two ago and it was a really funny exchange. So that's going to be interesting. We've got Jamie Kennedy, the comedian will be. We've done a bunch of shows with him. We're going on his podcast, Sam Tripoli's podcast, whatever podcast to debate another feminist Jesse Lee Peterson podcast. Another interview with Stefan Molyneux and then we're doing Dr. Drew podcast.
- [136:11]
Danny
Oh wow. Dr. Drew. Okay.
- [136:13]
Jay Dyer
Right on.
- [136:14]
Danny
Yeah. I remember doctors your back when I was in high school.
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Jay Dyer
Exactly. Like a loveline when the 90s.
- [136:18]
Danny
Yeah. The radio show. I regularly call the radio show.
- [136:23]
Jay Dyer
He's kind of been having some conspiracy oriented people of late. So yeah, that was. That's going to be fun. And of course Jesse Lee Peterson is a character.
- [136:32]
Danny
What is your wife working on in terms of projects? Podcasts.
- [136:36]
Jay Dyer
So she and I, we do. We're going to do a Lord of the Rings Hobbit. I did a part one of the Hobbit analysis and she and I are going to do Orthodox appraisal of Middle Earth.
- [136:46]
Danny
Okay.
- [136:47]
Jay Dyer
So we're gonna do that in the Next few days we'll probably have another orthodox conference down at our church in Florida this year probably around November. And so she will be doing some Tolkien hobbit stuff with me on the channel upcoming. She's done some literary analysis. She just did a deep dive with a friend of ours who's newly attending an orthodox church based lit analyzer. So shout out to Bla they did a podcast breaking down gothic literature. So they had Frankenstein and some other gothic texts. So she does that kind of stuff of late some we're doing more lit stuff.
- [137:23]
Danny
Wonderful, wonderful. Which is very, very lovely person.
- [137:26]
Jay Dyer
Thank you.
- [137:26]
Danny
Very nice. Very, very polite, very well spoken. Is there anyone else you want to give a shout out to?
- [137:32]
Jay Dyer
You know, shout out to David real medwise. Shout out to all the guys in the, in the the discord autocratic. Shout out to Kai and Lewis at Orthodox Jahada.
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Danny
Wonderful people.
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Jay Dyer
I hope I'm not forgetting anybody. But anyway, yeah, so shout out to you know, Sam Hyde and all those guys.
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Danny
Wonderful.
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Jay Dyer
Yeah. Alex Jones.
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Danny
Jay, it's been phenomenal having you on. I cannot thank you enough for coming out and thank you so much esoteric Hollywood. Buy it on Jay's website. It's gonna be linked in the video description. Jay Absolutely. Until next time.
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Jay Dyer
Danny, thank much you so so much.
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Jay Dyer
Here's the truth.
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Ryan Seacrest
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