ORIGINAL EPSTEIN JOURNALIST - EXPLOSIVE DETAILS CONFIRMED： NICK BRYANT

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Jay'sAnalysis – "ORIGINAL EPSTEIN JOURNALIST - EXPLOSIVE DETAILS CONFIRMED: NICK BRYANT"

Host: Jay Dyer
Guest: Nick Bryant (Author, The Franklin Scandal)
Date: February 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features investigative journalist Nick Bryant, one of the earliest reporters covering Jeffrey Epstein’s trafficking network, notably through his publication of Epstein’s “Black Book” on Gawker in 2011. Host Jay Dyer and Bryant delve into the most recent tranche of Epstein files, discussing the shocking, newly revealed details—from explicit evidence of global blackmail operations and involvement of intelligence agencies, to the coded language and financial maneuvering that shielded Epstein and his associates from justice. The conversation also draws connections to other infamous abuse and blackmail networks, the role of elite classes, and the urgent need for public action and accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nick Bryant’s Background & Early Epstein Investigation ([01:32]–[06:09])

• Bryant acquired Epstein’s “Black Book” in 2011 and began calling numbers listed under aliases like “Massage Florida/New Mexico/LA/NY,” uncovering direct testimony from victims and their families.
• He compares patterns of misconduct and cover-up in the Epstein case to the Franklin scandal (his earlier investigative focus), noting the role of corrupt grand juries in both.
• Unique insight: Bryant discovered he was being monitored by Epstein’s circle (“a sender”—identity redacted—warned insiders via email to “be aware of” Bryant), confirming his work had drawn their attention.

Quote:

“There’s a journalist named Nick Bryant who’s down here looking around, and everybody has to, quote unquote, be aware of him. And then they had a picture of me in the email.” – Nick Bryant ([05:48])

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2. Harassment, Surveillance & Legal Risk ([06:09]–[07:45])

• Bryant reports open harassment and mail tampering after investigating both Epstein and other powerful networks, but cannot confirm if reprisals were solely Epstein-related.

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3. Shocking New Revelations from Recent Epstein Files ([07:45]–[11:45])

• Bryant is seasoned in confronting depravity, yet some discoveries were “kicks to the gut”—notably an email from a UCLA neuroscientist to Epstein about “enhancing a baby’s sucking ability.”
• Ongoing consequences: Several implicated professionals are losing positions (e.g., Dr. Arthur Tramo at UCLA), and resignations among high-profile global figures are noted.

Quote:

“He writes to Epstein about how to enhance a baby’s infant’s sucking ability... That one got me. That one got me.” – Nick Bryant ([09:09])

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4. Epstein’s Global Network, Blackmail & Intelligence Ties ([10:53]–[17:51])

• The breadth of Epstein’s international influence surprised even Bryant, especially the direct connections with world leaders, diplomats, and discussions about global financial crises.
• Jay draws parallels to intelligence operations; Bryant asserts that Epstein functioned with protection “above law enforcement,” likely through alliances with both Israeli and US intelligence agencies, possibly British as well.

Quotes:

“If I was team Evil and I had a first round draft pick, I would pick Jeffrey Epstein.” – Nick Bryant ([11:36])
“He also had that get out of jail free card too. And a lot of criminal masterminds don’t have that…” – Nick Bryant ([12:11])
“I think the two [Mossad & CIA] have worked together... I don’t see the dark side of the CIA letting the dark side of the Mossad compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence.” – Nick Bryant ([14:03])

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5. Legal System Complicity & Cover-Up ([14:26]–[19:58])

• Bryant explains the powerful forces that intervened to shield Epstein after a grand jury prepared a “60 count indictment,” including high-level government actors (up to AG Gonzales and President George W. Bush).
• The immunity extended to Epstein’s co-conspirators is considered unprecedented, with Bryant asserting only direct White House instruction could explain it.

Quote:

“You’re not going to cover up a pedophile network without the President’s say-so. That emanated from the highest apex of the American political structure.” – Nick Bryant ([16:09])

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6. Blackmail Infrastructure: Audio/Visual Surveillance ([21:06]–[23:02])

• All Epstein residences were wired for blackmail with audio and video equipment.
• Recent revelations indicate that Ehud Barak, former Israeli Prime Minister, played a role in wiring a key apartment property in New York, allegedly under the guise of security but serving Epstein’s blackmail interests.

Quote:

“Absolutely. All his homes were wired for audio-vision blackmail.” – Nick Bryant ([21:06])

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7. The Franklin, Spence, Maxwell Parallels ([23:33]–[25:09])

• Discussion of how other elite networkers (Craig Spence, Lawrence King) either took plea bargains in exchange for silence or died by suicide under pressure.
• Assertion: Maxwell likely “agreed to keep her mouth shut,” learning from Epstein’s fate.

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8. Deconstructing the 'Food Codes': Cannibalism, Organ Trafficking, Coded Language ([25:09]–[34:06])

• Both host and guest explore rampant speculation about terms like “beef jerky,” “pizza,” “muffins,” “steaks” in correspondence.
• Bryant is agnostic on how far the codes go (organ trafficking/cannibalism), but confirms that terms are used as code for children or sexual activity, citing emails from adoption charity head Susan Hamblin as the most damning.
• Mentions credible accounts of tunnels and sulfuric acid beneath the island (possible body disposal).

Quote:

“Because this woman is running an adoption charity and she’s hooked up with Jeffrey Epstein, there’s no way that she is sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands.” – Nick Bryant ([33:00])

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9. Victim Compensation as Cover-up Tool ([34:06]–[37:36])

• The Epstein Victim Compensation Program only awarded compensation if claimants waived the right to sue further perpetrators, serving as a mechanism of silence.
• Bryant spotlights Stan Pottinger, a CIA-linked lawyer and alleged abuser, representing victims, as a “cold-blooded” conflict of interest.

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10. Who Controlled Epstein? Wexner, Blackmail, and Power Structures ([38:24]–[41:34])

• Les Wexner (Victoria’s Secret magnate) is identified as a primary figure above Epstein, with evidence of financial and sexual complicity—a relationship deeper than most media admit.
• Discussion touches on bisexuality and less-publicized preference for young boys among some in Epstein’s network.
• Modeling and fashion agencies (e.g., MC2) functioned as major trafficking recruitment mechanisms, particularly for girls from Eastern Europe.

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11. Occult Aspects and Ritual Abuse ([44:04]–[47:29])

• Bryant details credible accounts linking the Franklin and Epstein networks to occult symbolism (e.g. temple and “Moloch” on Little St. James) and ritual abuse themes.
• Evidence (emails/reading lists) suggests Epstein had significant occult and esoteric interests, including texts on sex magic, alchemy, and psychic phenomena, but direct proof remains elusive.

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12. Eugenics, Cloning, and Bizarre “Mad Science” Operations ([47:29]–[52:09])

• Multiple victims allege reproductive experiments (e.g., ovum harvesting at Zorro Ranch), and emails show Epstein’s direct involvement in cloning and eugenics efforts.
• Host and guest discuss emails referencing hormone blockers, gender experimentation, and transhumanism.
• One particularly chilling email thread refers to a girl in “stage 3” of ritual abuse—an apparent reference to CIA mind control programs (e.g., MKULTRA).

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13. Elite Class Psychopathy, International Finance & Money Laundering ([52:09]–[65:01])

• The conversation shifts to speculations on the uniquely predatory nature of elites (“Epstein class,” referencing Thorstein Veblen), their blackmail methods, and their manipulation of economic crises.
• Bryant and Dyer agree that international money laundering and shadow banking—especially via the Vatican Bank—were central to Epstein's operations and explain why further document releases are being suppressed.
• The Trump administration and broader government reluctance to release all files is noted, with calls for an independent Congressional commission for full accountability.

Quote:

“Fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think we both would probably agree on that…We can change our government because of this information.” – Nick Bryant ([63:24])

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14. Urgency for Public Action & Systemic Reform ([65:01]–[72:14])

• Bryant repeatedly urges collective action, emphasizing that Americans must insist on accountability and not be paralyzed by cynicism or left-right divisions.
• He promotes EpsteinJustice.com, an advocacy group organizing state-by-state pressure campaigns for Congressional investigations.

Quote:

“We need that independent congressional commission…this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to clean out our government before it takes it off a cliff.” – Nick Bryant ([68:54])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being under surveillance:

  “There’s a journalist named Nick Bryant who’s down here looking around, and everybody has to, quote unquote, be aware of him.” – Nick Bryant ([05:54])

• On the depravity of the revelations:

  “I’ve spoken at anti-trafficking conferences, I’ve talked to scores of victims…and I’m aware of the most evil things being done to children, but that one got me.” – Nick Bryant, on the neuroscientist email ([09:09])

• On blackmail infrastructure:

  “Absolutely. All his homes were wired for audiovisual blackmail.” – Nick Bryant ([21:06])

• On the necessity for reform:

  “We have a chance now to clean out the sewer. We really do.” – Nick Bryant ([65:45])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|-------| | 01:32 | Nick Bryant’s background and entry into the Epstein investigation | | 06:09 | Dialing Epstein's inner circle; discovery of being monitored | | 09:09 | Most shocking new email revelations | | 10:53 | Epstein’s international political reach and financial schemes | | 12:11 | Analysis: Epstein as criminal mastermind, with “get out of jail free card” | | 14:03 | Intelligence agencies, Mossad, CIA and protection | | 16:09 | How the federal system covered up the Epstein network | | 21:06 | Confirmation: Audio/video blackmail infrastructure | | 25:35 | Decoding “muffins,” “steaks,” “pizza” in emails | | 34:06 | Sulfuric acid, island tunnels, questions of body disposal | | 38:24 | Les Wexner’s control and relationship with Epstein | | 41:34 | Fashion industry as trafficking pipeline | | 44:04 | Occult themes in Epstein and Franklin scandals | | 47:29 | Eugenics, cloning, transhuman experiments at Zorro Ranch | | 52:09 | The “Epstein class,” elite predatory behavior | | 56:12 | Vatican bank money laundering and the global elite | | 63:24 | International finance, arms deals, and email leaks | | 65:01 | Why the full Epstein files remain sealed; call to action | | 71:02 | Epstein Justice: Next steps & public participation |

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Final Reflections

This episode is an exhaustive, detailed account revealing disturbing new dimensions of the Epstein case and the protections offered by transnational elites and intelligence agencies. Bryant’s testimony and analysis point to an ongoing need for genuine, citizen-led investigation and reform, challenging the narrative that ordinary Americans are powerless in the face of elite criminality. The interview is a must-listen (and must-read summary) for those seeking the truth about high-level corruption, blackmail, and the machinery enabling predatory elites.

Action: For further information and to get involved, visit EpsteinJustice.com.

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Transcript

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[Jay]

All right. Welcome to Jay's analysis. Of course we discussed a lot of these issues about a year or two ago with Nick Bryant. He's also published by my publisher. His book is the Franklin Scandal. My books are Essence Dark Hollywood 1, 2 and 3. That is a trine day. And Nick joins us today to talk about the new Epstein files. All of the recent information coming out on a daily minute by minute basis. Everything gets crazy every minute. There's some some new wild email that 5 years ago, 10 years ago would have been a week long news story. Well, it's minute by minute now so Nick joins us. He is one of the first to deal with this issue via the Gawker publication of the Black Book of Jeff Stein McEfery or Jeffrey as we say over here. Nick, what's up and tell us about your background.

[Nick Bryant]

Good to see you. How's my favorite stand up comic philosopher, Eastern Orthodox Christian?

[Jay]

Well I'm not technically doing a lot of stand up yet but I am writing for comedians so we're trying to get maybe one day.

[Nick Bryant]

Just keep that in mind. You're aspiring. I've been on the Epstein beat since 2011, and I acquired his black book in October of 2011. And Epstein has under. It's euphemistically, he has massages. And under massages are a lot of the victims. And there's Massage Florida, there's Massage New Mexico, there's Massage la, there's Massage New York. And I started calling those numbers. And the first call was kind of strange because I was talking to the mother of an Epstein victim, and she was in the room. The victim was, but the mother was doing the talking. And I just said, my name is Nick Bryan. I'm a journalist and I'm looking into the Jeffrey Epstein trafficking network. And I was wondering, was your daughter trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein? And she said, well, she'd been. He had sexually abused her since she was 13 years old. So that was my first call. And then my second call was with a woman who'd been flown to different states. And then my third call was with a woman who'd been flown to an island. And we really didn't know about the island at that point. We didn't know about Orgy Island. So once I had that nailed down, I felt when I went down there, there were accounts of Jeffrey Epstein molesting multiple underage girls. And there was a grand jury that said he hadn't molested a single underage girl. And I saw that with the Franklin scandal, where there were actually two corrupt grand juries. And the Franklin network was a huge network. I think it was actually bigger than Epstein's. It wasn't around as long as Epstein's, but I think it was probably bigger. And those two grand juries declared that not a single child had been abused. So I saw the compatibility between the two, and that's what I went down to Florida and I eventually started calling Epstein's inner circle. And I just wanted to see what they would say. None of them pick up, except for Sarah Kellen, who is the right hand woman of Ghislaine Maxwell, the henchwoman of Ghislaine Maxwell, who led hundreds of lambs to the slaughter. A nasty, evil woman. And I started to talk to her and she said how unfairly the media had treated her. She was commiserating about how unfairly she'd been treated by the media. And I did not share that attitude with her. And I think I might have expressed myself a little bit. And so the conversation got brought to a quick cessation and then all these years later, these emails are coming out and there's a sender, her name or his name is redacted, but it goes to all of Epstein's inner circle. And it said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant who's down here looking around, and everybody has to, quote, unquote, be aware of him. And then they had a picture of me in the email, and there were two more emails where Epstein was supposed to call me. One said alarm, Je called Nick Bryant. So apparently leaving all those messages for the inner circle, they got my attention, or I got their attention.

[Jay]

That's crazy. I mean, you know, you've been on this case for a long time, and it's neat to see. I mean, I don't know if it's neat, maybe it's ominous, but it's interesting, fascinating to see that they did have tabs on quite a few people. But, you know, you. You clearly played a central role and who needed to be watched and take and perhaps, you know, who knows what. Do you think they would have perhaps looked at legal action? Do you think they were wanted to smear you, or do you know that they hadn't? Did they have any kind of reprisal?

[Nick Bryant]

I don't know what their intent was. I took a lot of harassment when I wrote the Franklin scandal, including the death threat. So there were a number of things that were thrown at me, and I'm sure I'm rather obtuse, so I'm sure that there were a number of other threats that I just didn't pick up on. But anyway, there is one thing that was strange. Shortly after my visit to Florida, my mail was blatantly opened. I mean, blatantly. And I had no idea because I was also, at that point, I was working on a book called confessions of a D.C. madam, the politics of Sex, Lies and Blackmail. And it was about a guy ran a gay escort service in D.C. it's Henry Vincent.

[Jay]

Right? I have that Henry Vincent.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah. So Henry and I were going to start working on that book. So it could have been an aggregate of those things, or it just could have been Epstein. I don't know.

[Jay]

Now, this recent tranche that's come out here, I've covered it pretty consistently for the last 12, 13 days, and it's been insane. A lot of different avenues to go down. First of all, let's talk about maybe some of the things that surprised you. There were definitely things that surprised me. Stuff I didn't expect. I'm sure you. You've been following this case longer than I have. So you have a more, maybe a bigger bird's eye view of this. But what's. What are some of the things that immediately stood out, that shocked you or surprised you? And then I also want to talk about some of the more speculative, salacious types of things, the weird food terminology. Want to get your take on that? But what's the thing? What are some of the things that surprised you?

[Nick Bryant]

First, I've been at this for a long time. I started investigating Franklin 2002, 2003, and. And those pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spencer, I mean, they were evil guys. And I always wondered, I mean, if you're a human trafficker or a child trafficker, you're a vicious individual and chances are you're a psychopath. So I never had any illusion about Epstein and Maxwell being psychopaths, but there was a couple that just kicked me in the gut. I mean, really kicked me in the gut. The UCLA neuroscientist who has an MD and a PhD.

[Jay]

That one, yeah.

[Nick Bryant]

And he writes to Epstein about how to enhance a baby's infant's sucking ability. After all, I've spoken at anti trafficking conferences, I've talked to scores of victims and I'm aware of the most evil thing, things being done to children, but that one got me. That one got me.

[Jay]

Yeah, that was hard to deal with.

[Nick Bryant]

And I guess Dr. Tramo is not getting his contract renewed at UCLA, which is a very good thing.

[Jay]

Yeah, we've seen several prime ministers and UN types sort of step down. Even some CEOs supposedly stepping down. They'll probably just go into some other cushy position. But what about. Did you have a. I know you probably did from the Franklin information, but one thing that surprised me was, you know, I'd followed and read books on Epstein over the years and looked into it to a decent degree, but I was a little bit surprised at the international scope of a lot of the Epstein emails, particularly regard to first or second day. People had dug up plans where he had to meet. He was going to meet with like 15 different world leaders, heads of state. He's talking about the Greek debt crisis and profiting from that. He's talking about the Vatican bank to Larry Summers, how it works, inner workings of that. He's talking to Ariando Rothschild about, you know, the Ukraine and making money from. From that. When. When there's a, you know, chaos, destabilization there. He talks about Somalia and, you know, plundering the resources. So stuff that's pretty international in Scope. Was that surprising at all to you or did you already kind of figure it was already international?

[Nick Bryant]

I knew it was international. I didn't think that he had the connections to various prime ministers that he did. That surprised me. That he could tap into just about any country's power brokers. That is one thing that surprised me. I knew that he was pandering these young girls to various people in Europe. I had no doubts about that. But yeah, the just his international connections. I mean Jeffrey Epstein was a very talented guy. He was good at trafficking underage girls. He was good at laundering money. He was good at putting together arms deals. If I was team Evil and I had a first round draft pick, I would pick Jeffrey Epstein. I mean Jeffrey, if you're Team Evil, Jeffrey Epstein might be the overall first round pick.

[Jay]

You're a long time. Yeah, yeah. You're a sort of an expert on this. I want to get your, your take my assessment. I want you to tell me how correct I was on this. My assessment was he seems to be kind of like a PhD in organized crime. He's really good at networking, synthesizing and putting together different things at you know, multiple different disciplines or criminal operations I guess you could say. Is he like a criminal operations expert?

[Nick Bryant]

He is. But he also had that get out of jail free card too. And a lot of criminal masterminds don't have that get out of jail free card. So that's what differentiated Jeffrey Epstein from a number of high class criminals that we know about.

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[Nick Bryant]

I'm didn't have to worry about law enforcement.

[Jay]

Would you say that that untouchable status again probably has to do with working at intelligence or above intelligence levels via Trilateral Commission, that kind of stuff.

[Nick Bryant]

Yes, well he was definitely plugged into the Trilateral Commission and other organizations but I believe and people say he's working for Israeli intelligence and I always have maintained and actually.

[Jay]

The Internet you're cutting out there for a second. Internet wise sometimes this happens. I don't think it's a conspiracy but. Nick, Nick, hold on a second. You cut out just for a second. It's just Internet. It's not conspiracy or anything like that. Go ahead. And so you, you've always maintained what?

[Nick Bryant]

Well, I've always maintained that Jeffrey Epstein was. People have said that he was working for the Mossad. And I disagree with that. I mean, he very well might have been working with the Mossad, but I just don't see the dark side of the CIA letting the dark side of the Mossad compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence. I think that the two have worked together.

[Jay]

I was going to say, is it possible that it was a sort of a. He worked for different intelligence operations. That's kind of what I thought.

[Nick Bryant]

I have a tendency to think that it was primarily Israeli and American. He very well might have worked for other intelligence agencies. You've got a guy like Robert Maxwell who is working for a number of different intelligence agencies. But I think Epstein was primarily getting his protection. And a guy like that needs protection from the Israelis and then the Americans. And when that sweetheart deal was made, and this is something I didn't know, there was a grand jury that was impaneled in 2007 and I thought that it had been adjourned very quickly or I didn't even know if it had been impaneled. And now we know that there was a grand jury impaneled and that they, that there was an investigation and that There was a 60 count indictment that was ready to be slapped down on EPSTEIN. And count 51 was child trafficking, which is a heavy sentence in the federal system. It's 15 to life. So with Epstein, the feds, the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta, they were ready to prosecute him and they would put him away forever. And I'll tell you where the power comes from in that situation. He was given a sweetheart deal. He had to do 13 months in a county jail and all his co conspirators were given immunity. Now, Alexander ACOSTA As a U.S. attorney, there's only two people in the government that can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down. One is the Attorney General and one is the President. There's no way that Alexandra ACOSTA As a U.S. attorney is going to unilaterally cover up a pedophile network. And they had a list, they had a list of 36 victims, but they knew of 40 underage victims. Alexandra Acosta is going to do that. And Alberto Gonzalez was the Attorney General at that point. And there's no way Alberto Gonzalez is going to go out on a limb and cover up a nationwide pedophile network without his boss telling him to. And his boss was George Bush, too, the cognitively challenged George Bush. And so that emanated from the highest apex of the American political structure, the President. And I don't see Bush, too, making sure that Epstein has that lenient deal if he's not working with the CIA. I mean, that's my take on it.

[Jay]

Yeah. Also, too, I saw several. I think we all know about Prince Andrew and all that. Do you think there's potentially a British intelligence connection? I'm thinking there were those interesting pictures of Epstein having photographs of old news stories from London Telegraph and other publications, the Independent, that Princess Diana had got. Had gotten divorced. And so there was this article alleging that they had met. And so people were speculating that maybe that he was wanting to have a liaison or wanting to get with Princess Du. That was more speculation. But we have the Prince Andrew. You know, those circles are really well established. Do you think there's also British intelligence angle to this? With five eyes and sharing of intelligence in the West?

[Nick Bryant]

It's entirely possible. From what I have gleaned, the three countries that do the most blackmailing are. And I don't know if it's. I'm giving them in the right order, but it's United States, it's UK and it's Israel. Now, I don't think Russia is far behind them, but that's. That's what I've been told. And again, I'm sure that wherever Epstein went, he was compromising people. Yeah, I've got no doubts about that.

[Jay]

So.

[Nick Bryant]

And he spent a lot of time in the uk and actually I think he was more open in the UK about what he was up to than he was in the us. He actually. There was an amazing article written about Epstein and Maxwell and the pedophile formerly known as Prince Andrew and the Evening Standard. I think it was 2001. It was by Nigel Rosser, who's a pretty accomplished British journalist, and he talked about Epstein, saying that Epstein had said that he was with the CIA on various occasions, but then at this point, he was kind of walking that back. And there were some other interesting things in that article, too. It said Roger Rosser wrote that Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein were doing business in the 1990s, said that Epstein was doing business with Gates and Wexner and Trump in the 1990s. And we know that the mainstream media has maintained that Gates met Epstein in 2011. But according to this article, they had met much earlier. And just about Everything that the mainstream media has manufactured about the Epstein case has been pretty disingenuous. So I would have a tendency to believe the Evening Standard article over the mainstream media in our country.

[Jay]

Yeah, you know, I think there's interesting parallels with Jimmy Savile. That's another case, Elm Guest House, you know, that bears parallels to what you've covered with Franklin and Craig Spence and people like that with the blackmail angle. A lot of people forget the, the weapons, arms trafficking stuff, which Whitney Webb talks about that early on in, in regard to Adnan Khashoggi who seems to have had kind of this international high level ability to deal with anybody under perhaps the purview of American and Israeli intelligence. I think Khashoggi was. He's Saudi, right. So. And then they had his yacht fitted out to also record people, according to Whitney Webb in the first couple chapters of her book. So we see these patterns of, of the, the places fitted to, to, you know, capture blackmail. Is it true that the Epstein Estates. I saw people alleging this. Do you think it's true that they had cameras pretty much set up everywhere? Did you were able to confirm that so that we. We're pretty sure that it was blackmail?

[Nick Bryant]

Absolutely. All his homes were wired for audio vision blackmail.

[Jay]

Was it Ehud I saw an email saying, or it's a report saying that you heard Barack was the one that had come to help set that up.

[Nick Bryant]

Well, actually it came out recently. I mean, I think just within the last couple of days. Epstein owned an apartment building on 66th street where he kept girls and young women. And Ehud Barack, who is also one of the pedophiles and actually a very unsavory pedophile at that, who Epstein put deals together, he would stay in that apartment building quite often. And the Israelis wired that apartment building for audiovisual blackmail. I think that they probably under the auspices that Ahud Barak was a former prime minister and former defense minister. So that was part of his security. And that might have all been the case too. But Epstein was definitely a blackmailer. I've got no doubts about it. But the thing about what we saw in the Franklin scandal, there were two primary pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spence. And Spence started to get a lot of media on him and he ultimately ended up killing himself. People on the Internet say he was suicided. I believe that he killed himself, but I also believe that he was given a choice. It was one of those Vito Corleone moments where either you can kill yourself or we will kill you. And he checked into The Ritz Carlton in Boston in a tuxedo and took an overdose of Nortriptyline. And he had a. It's kind of interesting. He had a article on his chest talking about CIA intelligence people being called to testify before government entities. And he'd been subpoenaed to testify at a grand jury. So he was getting way too much media.

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[Nick Bryant]

don't think Spence, like Epstein, he was too used to living the high life. And he could not have withstood being in prison. He just couldn't. Now King, on the other hand, he was given the same rap that was given to Spence. I'm pretty sure you got to keep your mouth shut. And King was more, I think, willing to keep his mouth shut. And I think that their handlers could see that. So he did 12 years in pub feds. He was in the cushiest prisons that we have in the federal system. And he got out after about 12 years. And he had a no show job waiting for him at a BMW dealership in Alexandria, Virginia. He was taken care of. And I think the same thing kind of went with Maxwell. Maxwell saw what happened to Epstein and she agreed to keep her mouth shut. And I don't know if Epstein could have. I mean, he was too used to the high life. I don't think that he would have done well being incarcerated. People say, well, he was a megalomaniac and he never would have killed himself. If you look at that last picture of him when he was arrested, and compared to prior pictures, he looked like a totally defeated man. And it's entirely possible that someone helped him kill himself. I don't discount that, but I think that he probably killed himself.

[Jay]

Yeah, I want to ask you too about the more speculative, sort of scandalous, sensational emails and topic. The beef jerky, the tuna, the seafood. Do you believe that this is code? Could it be code for organ trafficking? Could it be code for cannibalism? Is that too far? What is your thought on this recent furor that everybody has?

[Nick Bryant]

Well, remember we had Pizzagate some years ago, and I didn't know what to make a Pizzagate. I looked into it, and actually I did spend some time on it, and I got to the guy who could get me to the guy that could start corroborating Pizzagate for me, and all of a sudden, that interview just kind of evaporated. And I put so much time into it that I just moved on. And we both have philosophic training, and I tried to approach everything agnostically, like Socrates taught us. And I went into Pizzagate agnostic, and I went out agnostic. But you've got these emails about muffins and steaks and pizza. Absolutely codes. But the thing about Epstein is he didn't do drugs. I don't even think he drank or he drank very little. And he was very circumspect about the food that he ate. He had a chef that wherever he went, his chef went and prepared the food that he wanted. So there's an email from Harry Fish. He's a medical doctor. He's a urologist. He's like a urologist to the stars. He's in New York City. And he said to Epstein, I can't wait till the next time we go out for pizza and grape soda. And I found Harry's number. I've been doing investigative journalism for a long time, so I'm very good at getting people's numbers. And I called him up and I said, harry, my name's Nick Bryan. I'm a journalist, and I'd like to know, what's your favorite pizza and what brand of grape soda would you suggest? And much to my chagrin, he didn't get back to me. But then I texted him, and actually I put the text on Twitter, and I said, harry, my name is Nick Bryant. I left a voicemail for you. Just for my own personal edification, could you tell me what type of pizza you like and what brand of grape soda you would suggest? And he never got back to me. I mean, I think that that's kind of rude. No, I mean, don't you think that's rude, Jay?

[Jay]

I'm not surprised. I wouldn't have expected him to. To get back either, but I'm not really engaged in a lot of investigative journalism. I just kind of stick to books. So I. I don't know what to expect. But I wonder, you know, just side. Little side question. When you. When you engage in those kinds of, you know, calls or. Or requests, do you mostly get ghosted in silence, or do you. Do they actually sometimes reply or what's the tendency?

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[Nick Bryant]

and I'll tell them who I am, and then they bring the conversation to a quick close. But I'm amazed at how easy it is. I can get just about anybody's phone number, their cell phone. It's. It's. When you've been doing it as long as I have, the databases are pretty sophisticated, and you can get sophisticated, too. So it's pretty easy for me to call people. I called Lawrence King, one of the pimps in the Franklin scandal, and I said, larry, how you doing? This is Nick Bryant. And he said he wasn't him. So that was kind of the end of the conversation.

[Jay]

Have you, I mean, have you ever called anyone who actually gave you like a. A good conversation and admitted things, or is it always just kind of hanging up?

[Nick Bryant]

Some people have given me really good information, but it's rare. It's rare and it's. And it's generally not perpetrators. It's people on the other side.

[Jay]

Right, right.

[Nick Bryant]

The victims. Like, I had pretty good success calling the victims in Jeffrey Epstein's black book. And I didn't call a lot of them. I mean, I called a number of numbers that were disconnected, but then the ones that I talked to, most of them were fairly open to talking to me. And that was also the same with the Franklin scandal. I found 12 victims of the Franklin scan. I had a list of 60 of them from a SEAL grand jury documentation.

[Jay]

Well, let's get an assessment of that overall from the victims that you called and had conversations with. What's your description of what's the tldr. The. The. Too long didn't read Assessment summary of how the victims portray this operation.

[Nick Bryant]

Their view of this operation is very myopic. They just know about the sexual component. And I don't think that they even realized how hooked up Jeffrey Epstein was. The victims. Most of the victims were kept in the dark and were just used as his and his friends sexual toys. So I. Now Virginia Giuffre is a different story. I got to know her pretty well, and Epstein flew her around and around and around. And she was with Epstein for a couple of years, and she was molested by a lot of powerful guys. And from her, I got some really good information. But the other victims that I've talked to primarily were in the dark about how expansive Jeffrey Epstein's reach was.

[Jay]

Well, I'm thinking in terms of, you know, the. The. The code words. What is your theory on what the code words are? So were you arguing that because he wanted a personal chef and he was very attentive to, like, what he ate, that he wouldn't be eating pizza and grape soda because that's junk food, or were you saying that he was attentive to what he was eating so there would not be any cannibalism?

[Nick Bryant]

It was obviously a code. So here's an email from Susan Hamblin, and she runs or ran an adoption charity, and she says to Jeffrey Epstein that she's sending quote, unquote, fresh muffins to the quote, unquote island and asking Jeffrey Epstein if he'd like additional steaks. And because this woman is running an adoption charity and she's hooked up with Jeffrey Epstein, there's no way that she is sending muffins and steaks to the Virgin Islands. I mean, that's obviously for children, I believe children because of her status.

[Jay]

So the eating could be an analogy for the sexual activity. Is there perhaps organ trafficking? Do you. Do you believe that some bodies needed to be disposed with the sulfuric acid? Is that a viable component of it as well?

[Nick Bryant]

That's entirely possible. I mean, there was a lot of sulfuric acid that was. And there were. And the emails have come out. Do talk about tunnels underneath the island.

[Jay]

Yes, I saw that. Yeah.

[Nick Bryant]

So who knows what was in those tunnels. I have talked to some victims and they have said there's just so many girls that Epstein went through, and they wonder how many are still alive. Yeah. Yeah. And there were. With the Epstein victims compensation program, there were 225 women that applied for compensation, and compensation was awarded to 150. But eight of them, 12 of them declined to go through the victim's compensation fund because if you got money from that compensation fund or compensation program, you signed a release and you could not go after any of your other perpetrators. It was a superlative. The Epstein victims compensation program was a superlative cover up tool.

[Jay]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, I, I guess that's why a lot of people settle out of court, right? Is that, that's a good way to kind of just get it out of the media, get it out of people's attention and, and sign the release? Yeah, exactly.

[Nick Bryant]

Now and then one of the attorneys, his name was Sam Pottinger, he's dead now. He was a CIA asset and actually he worked with Jeffrey Epstein in the early 80s. I think that they were both putting together arms deals. Ponger was part of the October Surprise arms deal where the Reagan camp told the Iranians the Iranians took hostages. And the Reagan camp told the Iranians that if they held onto the hostages until after Reagan became president, they would sell them a surfeit of weapons at a reasonable price. And Ponger was one of the first people that laid down the foundation of that deal. And then he is in business with Epstein and Epstein is with, at that point working with John Leese, who is a British arms dealer. And they're sending arms from China, Communist China to Iran because Iran was fighting the Iraqis and we were also providing Iraqis via weapons too. But Stamp Pottinger, for him to represent these Epstein victims was an abomination. I mean, according to one of the Epstein victims, she was sodomized by Stan Pottinger. And there's another victim named Sarah Ransom who's just been through hell, man. Just been through hell. I mean, she was molested repeatedly by her stepfather. And then Epstein got his hooks into her and just treated her like, like a slave, like an animal. I mean he was. Maxwell and Epstein were just vicious to this poor woman. And at a certain point in 2018, she tried to kill herself. She jumped out a window and she survived. And Stan, she's on heavy duty pain medication and psychiatric medication. And Stan Pottinger is sending her emails pushing her to make a settlement with the Epstein victims compensation program. Just really, really cold blooded type stuff.

[Jay]

It looked to me. Another question that I had for somebody who's been in this for a while. Seems like some of the emails suggested that at times he took orders from some people or was told to do things. In certain cases we have, for example, the email about assassination. I saw people trying to debunk that and say, well, maybe they're just talking about, you know, something in a sexual way that's using the code of, you know, killing or something. I don't know what that's supposed to mean, but do you think that there were instances where he was being told what to do by certain people? In. In the case of. Like, you had. There was that one email you have, our spy, you know, and then another one about torturing. Do you think that was sexual codes, or do you think that was actual espionage codes or words that.

[Nick Bryant]

I don't know. But you can tell in his interactions with Les Wexner that he is giving Les Wexner a degree of deference that borders on fear. I think Les Wexner was probably the only person that really had a lot of control over Epstein as an individual, not as an entity.

[Jay]

Okay. Yeah, because that's. That's the thing that a lot of people are asking, like, well, who. Who would be kind of above him? And presumably it would be people with more money than. Than he had. And, you know, and again, there's always been the speculation about what does it mean that he was a money manager? I mean, presumably he was managing Wexner's money. Right.

[Nick Bryant]

It's so humorous. Les Wexner. Well, Epstein and Wexner had this strange relationship. I mean, they were lovers, but then they were also pedophiles together. And Wexner gave Epstein power of attorney over his vast fortune in 1991. And this is another case of the mainstream media being disingenuous. And this is Vanity Fair, which is relatively fiscally magazine that will never, ever let me write an article for them. But the reason. Okay, and I'm not being facetious about this at all, the reason why Les Wexner gave Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over his vast Fortune in 1991 was because he was lonely. I mean, it says that. Yeah, Vanity Fair says that.

[Jay]

And you're. You're also then of the opinion of the view that Epstein is bisexual as well, which is relevant to this. To this proclivities issue, because I don't think a lot of people noticed that or thought about that until this recent dump. When did you cue into that?

[Nick Bryant]

I knew about Epstein and Wexner having, like, a bisexual relationship many, many years ago, probably, I don't know, five years ago.

[Jay]

Do you think the majority of the trafficking being, or, as far as I can tell, almost mostly women, was that just to serve the proclivities of other wealthy, powerful people? Do we have evidence of young boys in any of this,

[Nick Bryant]

there is some evidence of boys. And I think that that was Wexner's. That's what Wexner preferred was young boys. I mean, he'd molest young girls. He's a evil, malignant man. But yeah, I mean, there, there are accounts of boys, but they're rare. I think that there was a pedophile network out of Chicago that was riding Wexner with little boys. That's what I've been told. Have a tendency to believe that. But yeah, I think Wexner, that was his preferences is little boys.

[Jay]

Now, we've also seen a lot of people talking about Peter Nygaard, Jean Luc Brunel, the modeling fashion world. Of course, Wexner connects to that with owning a bunch of the brands that we all know from the 2000s. What exactly is the connection to the fashion world? Is it just looking and scouting out for beautiful women or models? Or is that a cover mc2 and etc being a cover for a way to sort of spot underage trafficked people? Is that most likely what that is?

[Nick Bryant]

Oh, big time, yes. And they had a mechanism, according to Virginia you free. They had a mechanism and I think I know the person that was part of the mechanism. They had a mechanism they would go to or Burnell would go to Eastern Europe and, and he would buy girls. I mean, he wouldn't rent girls, he would buy girls and then they had a mechanism that would give them visas to allow them into the United States and Absolutely. There's another aspect of the fashion industry that I've been, I've really looked into, and now we're just maybe seeing, starting to see some glimpses of it.

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[Nick Bryant]

i knew someone that was very high in the occult in New York City. And because when I was digging around the. There was a. There was a very significant occult part of Franklin.

[Jay]

Yes. I was going to ask about that next with Epstein, but go ahead.

[Nick Bryant]

And I was wondering if there was an occult facet of Epstein and because there, there were so many similarities between the two networks and this individual told me that the occult is rife in the modeling industry. And there's that temple on Epstein's island that has, I suppose someone. People have postulated that it's image of Moloch or a sculpture of Moloch above the door.

[Jay]

It's like an owl or something.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah, yeah, that and Moloch was the God that you sacrifice children to. But I as far as like my digging around, I could not find the occult component of Abstain. Although the emails are starting to allude to various occult aspects of Epstein.

[Jay]

So that's one that popped up a couple days ago and I had the exact same interest. That's where I was going to go next was is there an esoteric occult angle to what he's up to? There was apparently what was supposed to be a reading list and Book City recently purchased and there was some tantric sex magic text, some other sort of weird gnostic type texts that were there. So that if that was real, that would suggest a degree of interest in sex magic. I think he would definitely be drawn to that. But in the Bannon interview I thought it was interesting. We live streamed and commented on that whole thing. He seems to hint that elements of kabbalistic ideas, but nothing explicit. He says he does find alchemy fascinating. That's not a huge deal, but you know, just sort of touching on the edges of it. Did you see his, his Amazon book list and the, the stuff that he was purchasing?

[Nick Bryant]

Yes, actually I was aware of the Amazon book list a long time ago and.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Nick Bryant]

And that kind of indicated. Yeah, definitely the occult. I saw that you had tweeted about this. I think she was a victim where she said that when she was in a lot of pain she thought of Jesus and it helped her.

[Jay]

Oh, the, the one where they were talking about being in the bed and then they told the little girl, yeah, yeah, Jesus won't help you. And then somebody said you should dress up as Jesus next time.

[Nick Bryant]

Yes. And that you, you would call that satanic. And I mean that's very, very, very dark.

[Jay]

Yeah, I mean just but to put together the specifics, I mean, actual proof, it's. It's still a little iffy. But I'm curious, though, about Zoro Ranch, because would do you think that was a sort of a John of God style operation? I'm sure you've heard of that. Yeah, yeah. Sort of baby farming, brooding, brood operation that got shut down. He was closely associated with Oprah, who promoted him quite a bit. I saw a lot of parallels between what perhaps Epstein was trying to do with Zora Ranch. What's the. The skinny on Zorro Ranch? Is it also a sort of a mad scientist lab where he wants to experiment with genetics and some form of transhumanism? Is that what that is?

[Nick Bryant]

Yes. Now, there was a Epstein victim who is a very sweet woman, but she's very damaged. And she said that she went unconscious and then came to and what she thought was a laboratory underneath a ranch, and there was a woman doctor harvesting her ovums. But she's also said some other things that are kind of out there. So it's difficult to know. But if you look at the emails, Epstein is heavily involved in eugenics and cloning. And cloning isn't that difficult. When Dolly the sheep was cloned, to clone someone or something, a living being, all you got to do is get an ovum, take the DNA out of the ovum, which is relatively easy. Insert the DNA that you want into the ovum, and then give it an electrical charge. And then sometimes it starts the mitosis process and the cell starts filling. And sometimes it doesn't, but it's relatively easy to clone. There are people in New York City that are cloning their French bulldogs. And I kind of look at French. I mean, I don't have anything against the French. I don't have anything against bulldogs, but I kind of look at French bulldogs. Kind of ugly little creatures. I don't know why someone spends $65,000, but anyway, that's my own prejudice. But I think you can clone a human for about $1.5 million. And I firmly believe that Jeffrey Epstein was cloning himself. One of the reasons why Virginia Giuffre got out. Well, there were a couple of reasons. Epstein and Maxwell wanted to impregnate her, but before that, she was sent to Thailand to pick up and bring her back to the US and when. I mean young, I'm talking about a minor, very young minor. And she met her, who had become her boyfriend, who was on vacation in Thailand. And then they got married like a week later. And then she moved to Australia where he lived and she just got out. But. And then there's these other accounts too. And then the Brian Bishop emails of cloning. You could tell that here is a guy that was really into cloning and Epstein and the emails is saying he's going to subsidize Bishop. So I believe that that was definitely part of the go. Transhumanism definitely part of the go. There's that one email where. Can't think of his name. He's a pretty renowned researcher and he's talking about giving baby. Male babies hormone blockers and giving female babies.

[Jay]

Cover that one.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah, yeah. And basically creating hermaphrodites.

[Jay]

Right.

[Nick Bryant]

And. And he thought that that would just be the greatest thing in the world that he'd create these very sexy. Her. I. I guess that there are a subgenus of humans that like hermaphrodites. I, I don't know.

[Jay]

I've never really sound now in regard to the sort of mad science domain of this. We saw also some odd emails of a guy. Some. His name was like u. Y. U go. You go. Or something like that. And that one seemed to speak of him sort of spotting a girl that could be a potential subject that Jeffrey could use because she had undergone ritual abuse, sexual abuse or trauma. Perhaps Jeffrey could look into this and use her because she was at stage three of the process. What did you.

[Nick Bryant]

I really. I mean that reached of mind control to me and I've got an MK alter document. I think it's sub project 149 where it's talked about using electroshock drugs, hypnosis to induce multiple personality and ultimately. And ultimately psy. And I believe that our government. I mean remote viewing, which was above ground for 20 years or so, is just about psychic abilities. I mean it's called remote viewing. To give it some kind of tangible.

[Jay]

Right.

[Nick Bryant]

Explanation. But I believe that remote viewing is. Is alive and well. It's. It just went underground.

[Jay]

And probably that email is referring to sending her to Jeffrey because. And this is something I noticed too. I'm not saying you didn't cover this. I haven't seen a lot of other people mentioning. We had a few royals and elites offering up their children. There was one of the daughters, Sophia, I want to say, of Denmark or Bulgaria, I forget where it was. But they were basically saying, hey Jeff, here's a. Here's our daughter. What do you think of her? Could you use her? Right. And then the.

[Nick Bryant]

The Princess of Norway, the Prince of

[Jay]

Norway was talking about her son. There's two, there's two different ones. She's talking about her son saying, hey Jeff, could you give me parenting advice on my son? You know, so, and then she wanted perhaps to have a baby with Jeffrey. So they, it's almost like the, the global elites looked to him as a kingmaker kind of person even for your, for your offspring perhaps, or even having offspring with him. Is that correct?

[Nick Bryant]

That's what I mean. You can certainly extrapolate that. That's what those emails allude to for sure. It's such a different way of thinking that strata. Now it's being called the Epstein class. You ever read Thorstein Veblen's the Leisure Class?

[Jay]

I'm not.

[Nick Bryant]

It's a classic. And Epstein called, the book is called the Leisure Class and he comments on how the Leisure Class or how the aristocrats are just much more predatory. And he looks at all different types of cultures and he shows that people that are affluent are much more predatory than people in the society that are not. And I, and we're seeing that with these, with these Epstein emails that there is a strata of our society that is very predatory and, and really I think could care less about what, what we as mere mortals think. They, they believe that they're living on Mount Olympus.

[Jay]

Right, Right.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah.

[Jay]

I mean Quigley, even at the end of his tragic hope talks about, he talks about that difference between the, the normies and you know, that so called elite class and that, you know that that's why they send their children to boarding school. They, they have, you know, nannies because they don't want the child to have the ner, the, the attention and, and you know, nourishment that a mom gives and because that tends to kind of create a more of a psychopathic tendency which they think, oh well, that's not what you need to be a leader is to be a total psychopath. So that, that's interesting to see that kind of be confirmed in, in the emails, in more emails that stood out to you as surprising or making connections that you didn't expect. Oh, this one. Want to get your take on this because I, I found this very fascinating because I've read quite a bit on the abuse subjects within the Roman Catholic world and we saw one email of a person referring back to a time when Jeffrey Epstein l lived at the Vatican for some unspecified time. In that email it's discussed that they had a conversation with John Paul about architecture and columns. Many people were saying, well, we can't really prove that he was talking there or Living there. However, we do know that he was there in a picture with just Lane being blessed by John Paul ii. We know John Paul II also gave a high level papal knighthood award to procure criminal Jimmy Savile. And then we have another email where it's alleged, I think Epstein says that John Paul II gave him some piece of architectural something that he put on a ceiling. He seems to know the inner workings of the Vatican bank pretty well. So what did you make? And then he's also organizing flights for Pope Francis it seems. So what do you make of the Vatican angle? Is this all much ado about nothing? Is there actually something there? What's your take take on that?

[Nick Bryant]

Well, if you're going to launder money, the Vatican bank is the go to bank.

[Jay]

That's exactly what he says.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah, because there's no oversight with the Vatican Bank. The Vatican is its own country. There was that scandal with Bishop Marinkas who oversaw the Vatican Bank Gladio.

[Jay]

Exactly.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah. And, and P2 Lodge. And I think that why would these people stop using the Vatican Bank? I mean Marcinkus retired and he. I believe he ended up in Arizona. But nothing ever happened to him. I mean the whole thing was quashed. Not too many. Not a lot of people know about it except for guys like you and me that read books about Gladio and things like that. So I don't have a problem believing that Jeffrey Epstein and given his connection to all these banks that the Vatican bank is probably still being used to launder money or whatever. I mean, who knows?

[Jay]

Do you think that him knowing and having a degree of relationship or closeness with John Paul II is that legitimate? Do you think he was just kind of bragging about himself, puffing up something that wasn't there? What's your, your sense on that one?

[Nick Bryant]

I don't know about that, but I do believe that these emails might bore this out. That he had some kind of relationship with the Vatican Bank. That makes the most sense to me. I mean I believe that he was an atheist, he was Jewish culturally. But I'm sure that he looked at Catholicism as a fairy tale.

[Jay]

Sure.

[Nick Bryant]

The Vatican bank is very, very real.

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[Jay]

oh, yeah, absolutely. Now, speaking of that atheism angle, did you find, did you see the Bannon interview? Did you find any of those comments interesting? When he's talking about reality being something that we project from our mind and it's all code and mathematics, and you got these other emails where he's talking about dimensions. What did you make of those sort of speculative topics in the emails and the Bannon interview?

[Nick Bryant]

It's very strange. I mean, in some of those emails he's talking about metaphysics. I, I don't, you know, it's, it's hard to say because usually people that are atheists don't really believe in extrasensory perception and things like that, right? So it's really difficult to know what Epstein believed other than I.

[Jay]

When Bannon asked about the soul, right? And they have that weird exchange about the soul and he says something like, well, look, we don't have, we can't quantify the soul. But there's all these things in physics that you can't quantify, like quarks, and the soul is kind of like a co. Quark or so. It's, it's a really. It's almost like he was taking a lot of the new physics and, and that kind of stuff and just sort of positing that maybe religion and all that is just what that field of physics is describing is the way I,

[Nick Bryant]

I understood it, the DA of physics. It's, it's difficult to know what Epstein believed. There's some talk of metaphysics, there is some talk of extrasensory or giftedness with that, with the woman that, the girl or woman that's in stage three. But most hardcore atheists that I know have a real hard time embracing even psychic ability.

[Jay]

Right?

[Nick Bryant]

Because that would be, that would entail some kind of metaphysical interconnectedness.

[Jay]

Right.

[Nick Bryant]

I would really like to find out whether or not he was really down with the occult. That would, that's been something I've been looking into for a long time and hopefully we can get some as more answers from these emails.

[Jay]

What about the, you know, we've covered a lot of different angles here. I don't know what your time frame here is for, for discussion but what about.

[Nick Bryant]

I'm good. Okay.

[Jay]

International finance, this is another topic that I think is overlooked because you know, it's kind of mysterious and we, we mentioned the Vatican bank and, and that kind of stuff. But one thing that struck me as odd was number one, it seems like he's explaining to Larry Summers who would you would think is a sort of a Harvard bankster, Clinton era guy, he would know about international banking and perhaps the Vatican Bank. He seems to be explaining how that works to Larry Summers when he mentions at the beginning of the Bannon interview he says that yeah, fractional reserve banking. Bannon seems to be kind of again mystified as to what exactly they're discussing. Why does this matter? Why did that get you recruited into the circles of Kissinger and Rockefeller? So a lot of people speculated too that another reason that there might have been an attempt to sort of COVID up and suppress this latest tranche coming out would be due to actually money laundering and money scandals that could perhaps bring down the western economy. Who knows exactly whether that's the case or what that means. But it looks like there's a shadow banking sort of thing going on here. And we noticed between him and Ariana de Rothschild, the various emails that they have discussing these topics that it's almost like they, they see conflicts and all these situations as a totally different way of gaming the market, shorting the market based on advanced intelligence. I thought that was funny because when I went back and looked at the Morton authorized bar for the Rothschilds, they brag about the fact that you know, 200 years ago at Waterloo they had advanced intelligence. And so here's The Jeffrey Epstein 200 years ish later, basically doing the same thing. Yeah, we have updated intelligence, we short the market all the normies and the goam they, you know, they go on the basis of what the real world says. We have the inside information. I thought that was really insightful as to the way that the predatory class actually operate.

[Nick Bryant]

Well, fractional reserve banking is kind of a scam. I think we both would probably agree on that with Epstein. Where you really get insight into Epstein is the emails. There was a Middle east hacking group that got three years worth of emails between Epstein and Ahud Barak. And those emails are really telling because it's Epstein and Ahud Barack putting together Arms deal, first for Mongolia, and then they sold like a Big Brother surveillance system to a couple of African dictators. And Epstein is, they're talking about these troubled areas in the world. And Epstein tells Rock, well, this is where we can make some money. Isn't. You know, we could sell the mars, which is. And Epstein had been in the arms business going way back after he left Bear Stearns, he got into the arms business. So I think that that was just one of the many fingers that he had in the big pie.

[Jay]

Do you think that would have been a major reason to try to shut it down? I mean, obviously people don't want to have their private proclivities exposed and that kind of blackmail type stuff. But was there a real danger that the international market scam complex would be taken down, or was that an excuse to try to cover up and to not have the files released?

[Nick Bryant]

I think that there are multiple reasons why we're having difficulties getting the other 3 million files. And international banking could be one of them. I think Epstein's various connections with intelligence agencies could be one of them. I think that some of the people that would be named could be one of them. But the Trump administration has not lived up to the letter of the law of the Epstein Transparency Act. We should have gotten all those emails and those names, all those names shouldn't be redacted. So the Trump administration has fought this tooth and nail. But I will say this, I'm kind of amazed about the information that's come out with this latest trench. But the thing is, people are just going down wormholes with it. We have to take this information and we can change our government because of this information. And I think that that is one thing that I think Americans. I think there's two things that make Americans kind of despondent. I think that they've been divided and conquered with the right left paradigm. The left thinks the right's mentally ill, the right thinks the left's mentally ill. And it's just a very easy to divide and conquer. And then I think Americans have been conditioned to think that they really can affect change. And when you superimpose those two trends, you end up with what we have now, which is not helping Americans. And a lot of Americans are in a lot of trouble financially just trying to support themselves. Kids today that get out of college, they're heavily in debt, they're never going to be able to buy house, and the rich keep getting richer, poor keep getting poorer, and that's really been escalating since the plague. And we as Americans, and the reason why is because our government's a sewer. And we have a chance now to clean out the sewer. We really do. We know that a lot of our politicians are compromised. We know that Jeffrey Epstein at all compromise, the number of them. And there's three things that our politicians have. They've got arrogance, which makes people stupid. They've got lust, which makes people stupid. And they've got greed, which makes people stupid. And speaking of alchemy, if you combine those three, you get very, very smart people being very, very stupid. Bill Clinton comes to mind immediately. So what we need, and the only way that we're going to be able to get to the bottom of this is Epstein justice, this organization that I'm part of, what we need is an independent congressional commission. And an independent congressional commission is very different than other congressional investigations because it does not require a signature from the President. It just requires a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate. And with independent congressional commissions, oftentimes non government personnel are incorporated or the entire investigation is farmed out to non government personnel. And that's what we're going to need. Because if. Well, I mean, now the Trump administration, which is being really disingenuous saying that there's. That Epstein had no co conspirators, which, I mean, they must really think we're stupid. But we need that independent congressional commission. It's going to be our only shot to clean out. And I think that this will be the best chance in our lifetimes to clean out our government. And it might be the best chance in our lifetime, clean out our government before it takes it off a cliff, before our leaders take us off a cliff. Because I think that that's where we're heading.

[Jay]

You had mentioned a while back people should look at Franklin scandal there. That's the book that Nick has put out where you were going to do an Epstein book. I'm assuming that maybe I had to put a little pause on it, given all this new information. Are you still doing an Epstein book?

[Nick Bryant]

I'm still working on an Epstein book. I've got probably 40,000 words. But, yeah, I thought about writing an Epstein book 10 years ago. If I'd written an Epstein book 10 years ago.

[Jay]

You'd have to redo it.

[Nick Bryant]

Yeah, completely. But I'm. I really want to write a definitive Epstein book. The. The books that have come out about Epstein have been extremely shallow. And if I'm going to be generous, I would call them extremely shallow. But because I've been kind of at the ground floor of Epstein since. Since 2000. 1111. I and, and I've made a lot of connections in this world. I mean, I made them with Franklin, but I've also made them with Epstein too. I, I think that I could write a very good book on Jeffrey Epstein at this point or Jeffrey Epstein at all at this point.

[Jay]

Awesome. Well, Nick, I really appreciate you coming on and of course people can check out your links and your information. I'll have them in the show description below and any other things you want to plug like the justice for Epstein victims website or anything like that. Future projects. What do you got coming up next?

[Nick Bryant]

The most important thing in my life right now is Epstein justice. So I would suggest that your audience go to epsteinjustice.com it's very funny. I talk about Epstein justice. I talk about an independent congressional commission. We've given this a lot of thought and we're organizing people by state to put pressure on their federal legislators. And I'll give an email, I'll give an interview like the interview that I just gave you and then there'll be

[Jay]

comments

[Nick Bryant]

in the comment section. There'll be, how can we do anything about this after I've explained it? So I mean, and that is what I've talked about earlier, that the superimposing between the right and the left and Americans thinking they can't condition to affect change, but we can. It's up to us. And I think that we need to affect change because this is going to be our best opportunity. As I said, our leaders are going to take us off a cliff. And before they do that, we have the ability right now to make some substantial changes.

[Jay]

All right. The book is Franklin Scandal by Nick Bryant and of course he is a veteran when it comes to the Epstein subject matter. Nick, thank you so much for coming on and I look forward to future conversations.

[Nick Bryant]

Great to be with you, Jay.