Pt 1 CRAZY TOWN! DEBATE CRASHOUTS, REELS, REACTIONS, WINEMOMS!!!!!!!!!

Summary

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Jay’sAnalysis: Pt 1 CRAZY TOWN! DEBATE CRASHOUTS, REELS, REACTIONS, WINEMOMS!!!!!!!!!

Host: Jay Dyer
Date: May 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this kinetic, freewheeling episode, Jay Dyer curates a whirlwind of debate moments, comedic riffs, impromptu songs, and heated audience call-ins. The show sees Jay, in his signature irreverent, combative, and satirical style, lampooning modern church trends, online theological "grifters," culture war flashpoints, and the increasingly performative nature of online religious debate. Key themes include authenticity versus grifting in online Christianity, the feminization and "wine mom" phenomenon in contemporary church culture, challenges around church authority and tradition, viral online drama in "Ortho Bro" circles, and the collapse of intellectual standards in internet debate spheres.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Satirical Take on Church Exclusivism and Grifting

• Jay mocks the proliferation of self-proclaimed “true churches,” with exaggerated Cholo/Chicano Church and parody “testimonies.”
  Quote:
  “Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro.” (04:10)

• Parody sermon in the style of evangelical megachurches, poking fun at "Holy Ray Bans" and grifting for spiritual authority and money. Quote:
  “You think these are a pair of shades? That is not what I have in my hand. Ray Bans...This is spiritual sight. Holy Ray Bans. This is the vision you get from God…” (02:38)

• Repeated lampooning of Christian grifters building personal brands and exploiting followers.
  Quote:
  “How do I monetize these people? I need seven figures.” (08:01, 09:21)

2. Internet "Debate Culture" & Collapse of Intellectual Standards

• Jay bemoans the lack of substantive debate, noting that most interlocutors default to moral pearl clutching, evasion, and personal drama rather than argument.

• Calls out Protestant and "ortho bro" podcasters for refusing genuine debate, instead retreating to personal attacks or emotional claims (“You’re mean!”). Quote:
  “If you call into a debate stream, you must respond to the argument...You're not my equal in this conversation. This is for amateurs to call in. This is amateur night…” (91:38)

• Critiques the “bloodsports” allure of online debates, where rhetorical aggression trumps reasoned exchange.

• “If you get your feelings hurt, then don’t freaking call in. Dude, why are you even calling in if you get your feelings hurt?” (47:48)

3. The “Wine Mom”/Feminization Phenomenon in Church and Debate

• Jay rails against what he sees as the feminization of church culture, pointing to online and IRL examples of moral over-sensitivity, emotionalism, and church policies pandering to women (“wine moms”).
• Links this to wider societal issues: the influence of the pharmaceutical industry, generational trends, and the “gender war” engineered by elites. Quote:
  “Everyone is feminized across the board...They don’t even care what’s true, they are literally looking for any moral clutch pearl clutch to feel better than other people. It’s so gay, dude. It’s so low tier. I can’t believe how low tier the whole debate sphere has gotten.” (44:53)

4. Critique of Online Orthodoxy, Grift Culture, and Ortho Bro Drama

• Jay breaks down the origins and viral spread of “Ortho Bro” controversies: from e-girl scandals to accusations of problematic male spaces, to gender wars and leadership feuds going back to 2017 Discord circles.
• Recounts past efforts to call out “grifters” and “phony conversions” within Orthodoxy: “But usually what is necessary is an amount of time to see if this is a genuine conversion, because a lot of people aren’t genuine. There’s a lot of grifting going on.” (60:20)
• Notes pattern of blame-shifting by online personalities, particularly the pervasiveness of “Believe All Women” and automatic villainization of men (“It’s always the men’s fault, even when women admit the same behaviors”). (71:43)

5. Challenges of Modern Masculinity & Gender Double Standards

• Critiques cultural default to men’s guilt and responsibility, even while women escape accountability (“No free passes at the judgment...everyone is accountable.” 73:19)
• Discusses personal experiences with dating, the effects of overprescribed pharmaceuticals, and generational inability to assess “wine mom” issues due to boomer deference to doctors/pharma. (67:48 onwards)
• Observes how church and debate space oikophobia and lack of accountability drive polarization and stagnation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Parody Sermon Riff
  “Holy Ray Bants. This is the vision that you get from God. Ray Bans. And when you put these shades on...you will see the world the way that God sees it.” (02:59)

• On Grifting in Christian Social Media
  “How do I monetize these people?...From an oriental to a boring rental wigger, I’m Ruslan and I’m a boosie’s Protestants. For every dime, buy my merch, this my ministry, my church.” (08:14, 22:18)

• On Calling Out Online Hypocrisy
  “These people think you are dumb, dude...They are taking you for a ride...” (33:01)

• On Collapse of Debate Quality
  “There’s no more intellectual battles to be had. They have pretty much surrendered...All you have is moral pearl clutching, it’s over.” (46:30)

• On Gender Double Standards
  “The only possible solution is...a restoration of patriarchy...There's a very selective preaching and rebuking going on now.” (73:54)

• On the “Ortho Bro” Internet Scandals
  “All of those bros...have a pretty stellar track record of smelling out phonies, frauds and tossing them out because they cause problems.” (60:13)

• On Audience Participation
  “If you can’t control emotions in a debate and stick to the topic, that doesn’t mean you can’t be aggressive. It doesn’t mean you can’t make rhetorical turns. All of that is part of debate.” (94:34)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Cholo Church & Parody Sermon (01:57 – 07:44)
• Business Church & Monetization Satire (08:01 – 09:45; 21:42 – 24:18)
• Magic Underwear/Mormon Parody Song (09:57 – 10:49; 24:34 – 27:18)
• Critique of Evangelical/Feminized Church Trends (44:53 – 46:30)
• Discussion of Ortho Bro/E-Girl/Women Online Drama (History & Analysis) (57:38 – 72:10)
• Debate & Call-In Chaos: Responding to Protestants, Gnostics, ‘Wine Moms’ (79:26 – 103:39)
  • Method of Debate & Jay’s Philosophy: (91:38 – 95:49)
  • Wine Mom Call-In & Hebrews Argument (85:04 – 91:09)
• On Canon, Tradition, and Sola Scriptura (113:07 – 117:17)
• Original Sin, Objective Morality, and Theological Q&A (120:02 – 124:53)
• Closing with Further Q&A, Open Forum, and Debate Philosophy (129:00 – End)

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Tone & Style Notes

The entire episode blends combative, sharp satire with inside-baseball church commentary and wild audience engagement. Jay’s rapid-fire, irreverent, and sometimes abrasive delivery is punctuated by song parodies, mocking impressions, and in-jokes—often breaking the fourth wall to scold or recruit his own audience into the absurdity. His approach rewards listeners already familiar with online Christian debate spheres, exposing hypocrisy, phoniness, or shallow internet drama while performing the chaos for laughs.

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Conclusion: Why Listen?

If you want to understand the current meta of online religious debates, watch internet church culture get flambéed, or hear someone lampoon both the right and left sides of “crazy town” Christianity, this episode is a wild, relentless ride. It’s packed with raw call-ins, inside jokes, and the sort of meta-commentary that only someone who’s spent years in every corner of internet Christendom could deliver.

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Transcript

[Jay Dyer]

Hot take. You can disagree with someone and not hate them. I know. Really groundbreaking stuff. But lately that line seems blurry. Because hate is rising across communities in all kinds of ways. And Jewish communities are getting a lot of it right now. You don't have to agree with people. You just have to not be awful. The blue square is a simple way to say, I'm with you. And I don't tolerate hate of any kind. Go to bluesquarealliance.org, get a pin, share it and stand up. What's up, y'? All? Summer's got a different tempo. Everything's a little looser, brighter. One plant turns into a another. You hear something, you stay a little longer. Next thing you know, you're somewhere you didn't plan to be. It's those in between moments. That's where the ideas hit. Conversations stretch out. Little memories sneak up on you. Sometimes it's just about what's in your hand. That color, that chill. The new Tropical Butterfly Refresher from Starbucks. Guava and passion fruit flavors with mango pineapple flavored pearls. Yeah, that feels like summer before you even taste it. Funny how one small stop becomes the best, best part of the day. Start your summer rhythm with Starbucks. Try the new Tropical Butterfly Refresher from Starbucks. You gonna do if I say to you the true church isn't the Papal church or whatever, the true church is Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you review me or whatever?

[Caller/Participant]

It's.

[Jay Dyer]

It's exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Chol. Church is the only true church. And how could you review me or whatever? It's essay exclusivism, bro. What's up, bro? Hey, fool. Unmute or whatever, dude. Hey, dude, Like, I went to Victory Church one time or whatever. I seen the Holy Tamale in the sky, bro, and it converted me. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only two church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only two church. And how could you review me or whatever? It's essay exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's s. Exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's essay exclusivism, bro. Unmute or whatever, dude. But listen, what are you gonna do if I say to you the true church isn't the Papal church or whatever. The true church is Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you review me or what? It's exclusivism, bro. What's up, bro? Hey, fool. A neuter or whatever, dude. Hey, dude, like I went to Victory Church one time or whatever and I seen the Holy Tamale in the sky, bro, and it converted me. Chicano Church, bro. Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Church is the only two church. And how could you review me or whatever, bro? It's essay exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Cholo Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's s exclusivism, bro. Chicano Church, bro. Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. A neuter or whatever, dude. Dear computer, could you generate me a sermon in the style of Billy Sunday and Reverend Billy Graham? Give it a lot of kick, put a little punch in it. I'm gonna be a pastor right now. I'm gonna be a mega church special. Ladies and gentlemen, you pay attention right now, all of you in this audience. Guys, girls, young men, you see what I have in my hand here? Holy Rave bands. You think these are a pair of shades? That is not what I have in my hand. Ray Bans. This is spiritual sight. Holy Ray Bants. This is the vision that you get from God. Ray Bans. And when you put these shades on Holy Rave bands, you will see the world the way that God sees it. Ray Bans. When I put on Holy Rave bands, the scales fall from his eyes. Ray Bans. And now he has Holy Rave spiritual Gucci's that you in the congregation provide for me through your tithes. Spiritual Gucci. Friends, I want you to stop and I want you to think about that for a minute. See how it's just a scam, dude. Give it a lot of kick. Like anybody could do this dumbass scam. Put a little punch in it, the scales fall from his eyes and now he has Holy Raid banks. You think these are a pair of shades? That is not what I have in my hand. Ray Bans. This is spiritual sight. Holy Raid, man. This Is the vision that you get from God. Ray Bans. And when you put these shades on holy rave bands, you will see the world the way that God sees Ray Bans. When I put on holy Ray bands, the scales fall from his eyes. Ray Bans. And now he has Holy Ray Bants. Friends, I want you to stop and I want you to think about that for a minute. Gay space brother, won't you come down from my bone high Gay space brother Gay space brother, won't you come down from up on high and touch my cheeks? Touch my glutes from bone high Touch my glutes from on high in the sky Gay space brother, won't you come down and slap them cheeks? Can I get up slap on the cheek? Yeah. Can I get up slap on the butt cheek? Space brother, he going to come down and find you Gay space brother, come on, come down from the high space brother you going to read inside your into your Gay space brother, you going to clap them cheeks like.

[Caller/Participant]

I need seven figures. I need seven figures. I need seven figures.

Cringe core, bro.

[Jay Dyer]

I got the following.

[Caller/Participant]

I got 28, 000. I got 200000 on TikTok. How do I monetize these people? You know what I mean?

[Jay Dyer]

How do I monetize these people?

[Caller/Participant]

I like money and I like shoes how do I build a business? I don't really care about how many

[Jay Dyer]

followers I have from an oriental to a boring rental wigger I'm Ruslan and I'm a boosie's Protestant Every time buy my merch this my ministry, my church I'm blessing God oh, J.D. please don't save me I've been saving every itty bitty Whoopi got me fascinated Protecting my pride it's my duty like Mufasa baby, my testimony get me money Better watch a wigger I'll be back for more super chats like I'm sorry, I need to monetize some soft white Christians. I need some money for my nest, my mission and if I'm coming up against real Christians, I run like hell not to take an L, A, J Don't make me play myself. I'm here to take one. This my meal ticket. Please don't make me fail. Please, please Bro, I got the following.

[Caller/Participant]

I got 28,000, I got 200,000 on TikTok. How do I monetize these people? You know what I mean?

[Jay Dyer]

How do I monetize these people?

[Caller/Participant]

I like money and I like shoes how do I build a business? I don't really care about how many followers I have.

[Jay Dyer]

I need seven figures. I need seven figures. I Need 70 figures. Figures. Cause my girl got nice figures. Oh yeah, we pulling up on them. More months. We need more months. More money. More months.

[Caller/Participant]

More moments.

[Jay Dyer]

Space. Let's create life.

[Caller/Participant]

Moments, space.

[Jay Dyer]

God. Basement, basement, basement. Magic underwear. Fitting tight. Magic underwear. Feels alright.

[Caller/Participant]

I would like to have intimacies with

[Jay Dyer]

you on the planet of Naboo. He looks good.

[Caller/Participant]

He looks good. He looks good. He looks good.

[Jay Dyer]

Space. Morning space. Woo. Y' all can already tell I'm in one of them moods, right? I'm in one of them moods. Shout out to Milk dollar Pure Dropping another new banger. We got Cholo Church.

[Caller/Participant]

Cholo Church.

[Jay Dyer]

Randy Balls is shaking in his boots, ain't he? Cholo Church, bro. But listen, this is the Evangelo mix, bro. What are you gonna do if I say to you I get some more chiefs? The true church. More sweet tea. Isn't the papal church or whatever? The true church is Chicano church, bro. Church is the only true church. And how could you refute me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. Chicano church, bro. Solo church is the only two church. And how could you refuse me or whatever? It's exclusivism, bro. Shout out to this fool over here, bro. This dude is a totally local fool bringing the heat, bro. But listen, I'm in a mood a little bit today, you know what I'm saying? I just want to kick it off with a little bit of. A little bit of emotion or whatever.

[Caller/Participant]

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[Jay Dyer]

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[Caller/Participant]

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[Jay Dyer]

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[Jay Dyer]

Learn more at americanexpress.com/explatin-platin enrollment requirements monthly and other limits in terms apply the paradigm of Absolute control. Let's get in the moat, get in the flow. That's why we're just out here doing simple things, pointing out mint to be in nature and be natural. And this is where we find the source that God made to transcend the new world order. And that's why they want to try to keep us out of it.

[Caller/Participant]

These people I go out, face these sk.

[Jay Dyer]

They literally crawl out from under rocks. They have green skin and they run around screaming, we love Satan. We want to eat babies. I have them on video.

[Caller/Participant]

Hillary's in the creepy with six stuffed men. She sleeps in the same room with that creepy w. Mother wears it all over again. That woman number one is ugly. Imagine how bad she sounds, man. I'm told her and Obama just stick. Obama and Hillary both smell like soul.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, baby.

[Caller/Participant]

Literal vampire. Gets close to that evil and I feel it go. We don't even know this hand itself rising up against us. Millions of hornet people of the bear was trapped. I'm so pissed. We're going to stab your daughter at the mall. Oh, oh, oh. We're going to stab your wife, your son o. We're gonna stab you with a butcher night and every. We love our Muslims. Oh, they're so good.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, they're so sweet. I'm feeling it tonight. Can you take me higher? To a place where there are no gays? Y' all feeling it? I know y' all's feeling it. We gotta.

[Caller/Participant]

Come on.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah. Well, I tried to tell you so But I guess you didn't know. As the saddest story goes? Maybe now I got the blow. Cause I knew it from the start. Maybe when you broke my heart? That I had to come again and show you that I'm real. All those things you said that I love you. Yeah.

[Caller/Participant]

Lies to me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, I try? Yes, I try you lies to me Even though you know I die for you. There it is. Return of the mind. Come on. Oh, my gosh. We're gonna stop right there. I got one message. Nobody does it better they can come closer than close. Yeah, yeah. We just trying to make you see. Nobody does it better than me. Oh, man. How y' all feeling tonight? Trying to see if there's anything else I got to sing before my. My voice is going out. I can't sing my voice out before we even get going. Am I. Am I forgetting any of the classics? Y' all know I know y' all like this one. I feel my voice is going though. It's cracking. We can't crack the voice before we even get started. Otherwise, I'll be retorted. Maybe it's time for some freestyling. I don't know. Maybe we got to go back to the. To the. To the studio. You know what I'm saying? We got to get some flow going again. I gotta start feeling my flow. Y' all like that? Dostoevsky says for $2. Hear me out, dog. Geopolitics, karaoke. I like it because it sounds wacky, but I don't know how it would work. Dostoevsky says again, you. You got it. JXT Ocean says for $10. Let me hear one more time. Real wigga. You a real wigger. He's out here paying money. He wants to hear it again. You talking about the Ruslan song? Y' all don't never get tired of that one, do you? That's a hit maker. Listen, tonight is a. A chill night. Y' all can call in and talk about whatever you want to. When we go to calls, I don't care. Except for tag, because that'll put everybody to sleep.

[Caller/Participant]

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[Jay Dyer]

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[Caller/Participant]

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[Jay Dyer]

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[Caller/Participant]

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[Jay Dyer]

a limited time to experience a whole

[Caller/Participant]

new world of comfort. Visit a sleep number store or go to sleepnumber.com sleep number to a good life sleep. I drive my bus in a busy city. That's why road safety is so important to me. I know that I must slow down and be extra careful when I make a wide turn.

[Jay Dyer]

Buses need more room than cars.

[Caller/Participant]

Everyone can help keep our roads safe. Next time you're driving, remember to give buses plenty of time and space to finish turning before driving ahead. Let's all plan to share the road safely. Learn how at www.sharetheroadsafely.gov.

[Jay Dyer]

well, look, in the meantime, I don't care what you want to talk about. Y' all want to hear business Church again. You got it.

[Caller/Participant]

I need seven figures. I need seven figures. I Need seven figures,

[Jay Dyer]

bro. I got the following.

[Caller/Participant]

I got 28, 000. I got 200, 000 on tick tock. How do I monetize these people? You know what I mean?

[Jay Dyer]

How do I monetize these people?

[Caller/Participant]

I like money and I like shoes. How do I build a business? I don't really care about how many

[Jay Dyer]

followers I have from an Oriental to a boring rental wigger I'm Ruslan and I'm a boosie's Protestants for every dime Buy my merch just my ministry, my church I'm blessing God oh, J.D. please don't slay me I've been saving for a yacht Every itty bitty Whoopi got me fascinated Protecting my pride it's my duty Like Mufasa, baby my testimony get me money better watch a wigga I'll be back for more Super A chance like I'm sorry I need to monetize you so fight Christians I need some money from them that's my mission and if I'm coming up against real Christians I run like hell not to take an L, A J Don't make me play myself I'm here a ticking for the dinner bell this my meal ticket Please don't make me fail Please, please, please, please, please Bro, I got the following.

[Caller/Participant]

I got 28, 000. I got 200, 000 on TikTok. How do I monetize? You know what I mean?

[Jay Dyer]

How do I monetize these people?

[Caller/Participant]

I like money and I like shoes. How do I build a business? I don't really care about how many followers I have. I need seven figures.

[Jay Dyer]

There you go. Y' all like that? Y' all want this one again? This one's got a lot of feeling in it. Moment space wise let's create new lives. More in space While legs our God has a body.

[Caller/Participant]

He looks good.

[Jay Dyer]

Sacrifice. Lords of cola. Magic underwear fits so tight Magic underwear feels so right. Mormon space wise Creating new life Life. Oh. Oh, dang, man. You can't tell me that's not a hit. I get Mormon tingles up under my underwear every time I sing that song. And, you know, if you're getting Mormon tingles, you getting that? My. My little Brigham Young starts to get tingly. You know what I'm saying? That's when you know it's a. About what? Somebody said Brigham Young's son was a. Jamie said was a cross dresser. I don't. I'm not doubting. Y' all just don't know Moment space. All right, But I gotta. Hold on just one second. One thing at a time. One day at a time. One day at a time.

[Caller/Participant]

Creating new lives.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm told I have to play this cholo church clip. So I got a bunch of people saying, you got to play this. Gotta play this. Okay, hold on. Everybody just relax. So apparently, Brigham Young's son, he was wearing magic panties, not magic underwear. Right? Magic Panties Magic panties are feeling so tight Magic panties they feel so right Magic lingeries Mormon panty wives. Theater magic. What is that? I can't hear you. It just sounds like, what? Okay, what about it? And he could just send it to me. Send it in a text. Okay, okay. But there's like 20 people saying, you gotta look at this, look at this, look at this. Known as Madame Petrini. Performed in Utah from 1885. He was Madame Petrini. Yeah, we got a rap song right here. Somebody said I gotta play the cholo. Ra, bro. Hey, dude, there's a cholo right here. This is that cholo church, bro. Oh, yeah. I like this floor right here, bro.

[Caller/Participant]

Check this out. Another track.

[Jay Dyer]

Dang, dude. A lot of, like, spherical sisters, bro. Dude, my aunt came and my cousins came or whatever, bro. It's. A lot of spheres are showing up, bro. A lot of orbs. Girls

[Caller/Participant]

Master Productions.

[Jay Dyer]

Dang, dude. I feel like I'm about to order some chips and salsa right now, bro. I'm looking at a freaking table in the restaurant, dog.

[Caller/Participant]

Coming up in the world,

[Jay Dyer]

dude. How come they got everybody's uncles at her, bro?

[Caller/Participant]

From the jump I was taking, so

[Jay Dyer]

dang, dude, they even got like black girls coming up or whatever.

[Caller/Participant]

Had to be a man early at the age of nine Got a hustle for mine every day on the ground Me and my own souls Running the street Coming home too late with the treat taking the beat the role model in the house Grandpapa was gone Grandma left the year before Leaving us alone A sad time for my family but we had to move on Separated from this Couldn't stay together strong Everybody went their own way what can I say? By then I was old enough to do my thing ged up from the feet up ready to roll Straight down

[Jay Dyer]

to control with no probation to promote

[Caller/Participant]

oh, it's an everyday thing in the

[Jay Dyer]

ghetto where my do my sway.

[Caller/Participant]

I was raised from the giddy up to stay in church Waking up Sunday morning wasn't easy, like a. Except a few hours and I kept going. It was hard getting up, waking up.

[Jay Dyer]

Cause dang, dude, I was waiting for the freaking lowriders or whatever, dude. That's the only tamale right there, dude. But I went to the victory Church or whatever and then like, they gave me like a holy chip or whatever and I seen the image of the holy tamale and then I was like, converted or whatever, bro. Hey, fool. But for reals, though, it's time to get a little bit serious. I've been joking around too much. Too much jokes I got one message. We. You know we. Y' all know we in a lot of rap beefs right now with a lot of people. Especially Ruse Run. I mean, rouge. Rouge lawn Ruse lame. I mean, Ruse, Ruse, Ruse lawn. All I gotta say is this all of you pimp player hustlers now you know you can't key me out Once you crack the dough either join the team or as best you flee Nobody does it better than me they can come closer than close yeah, yeah Original. He never will be we bumping from coast to coast yeah, yeah we just trying to make you see Rusan will never be Nobody does it better they can come closer than close yeah, yeah oh, wait, what am I talking about?

[Caller/Participant]

Recipe that was.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, y' all didn't know that Ruslan preaches on the Coca Cola schism. The big Coca Cola Pepsi split is the only schism Ruse Run knows about. And when he go to the synagogue to preach, bro, you best believe you're going to get an in depth exegetical exegesis of the Pepsi Diet Coke schism.

[Caller/Participant]

Can you guys imagine how that worked out?

[Jay Dyer]

Didn't work out very well.

[Caller/Participant]

So launching New Coke in 1985, a semi sweeter recipe that was more similar to Pepsi. However, New Coke was such a disaster, it almost cost Coca Cola the soda wars. And this is why is because there was three categories of people that these folks were looking at. They had the advocate.

[Jay Dyer]

This retard is preaching in dumb synagogues that made Young Don get his. Young dong got his dong chopped off. Literally. Yong Dong got his wee wee chopped off at the stupid judaizing synagogue. True story, by the way. And then he becomes an atheist and these are the ones that are responsible. So you trying to tell me it don't matter what church you go to? Why do we matter? Who cares? This is why it matters, dummies. Because you send a bunch of people to this nonsense while he's up there preaching on corporate schisms in corporate church. Freaking business church, dude. And where the hell are they meeting? In a damn gym with a freaking boomer evangelical poster and a Manora. Ruslan's preaching from his. From his laptop about Coke, man. These people think you are dumb, dude. They are taking you for a ride. They think you are retarded. Y' all are ruse tarted. I could say that much.

[Caller/Participant]

All the drinkers, then they had the neutrals, and then they had the people that were completely opposed.

[Jay Dyer]

Some Palestine, we're gonna have a pale. So what y' all think about that right there, Y' all telling me I'm bad for telling people that this dude is a. Meanwhile, you know that we can. You know, we consistently putting out bangers that you can't deny. You know, we've already won the rap beef. He ain't even got a response. He can't even rap beef. He ain't got nothing in response. Now, this is the same fake Mexican synagogue that he sends and God logic send people to look at this nonsense. People who say that church is the way. I say it's a heresy to say that there's one true church. According to these who got young dawn to become Young Dong by getting a circumcision and becoming an atheist, that's what they convinced him of. That y' all don't know that shoe was the way the truth and the life and she's found in many different churches and many different communities. This is a ministry of healing. This is doing real stuff, not getting super chats and clicks on YouTube. Yo, that's just because nobody will find your dumb entertaining. You would be all about some super chats if you could actually get an audience for your nonsense. For the holy tamale or whatever you worship, doofus. Sorry, that was the flesh instead of cooking. Hey, bro, I got a taco truck, but it's also like a synagogue at the same time or whatever. I'm gonna be parked outside of Temple Mount. Hey, do you guys could come get like a holy dreidel or whatever Also, by the way, you could probably come get like a couple tamales or whatever. The kosher Kamali, bro, I'm the kosher rabbi of the messianic taco truck, bro. There are brothers and sisters. This is not right. We have real falsehoods in our midst. These are the people God, Logic, and Rusan are sending their Muslim converts to. That's why it matters, dummies. That's why this. This is nonsense. Duh. By the way, who has not yet watched the epic Piers Morgan event? By the way, here's another. Here's another great clip where he just explains his whole retorted marketing strategy.

[Caller/Participant]

You're leaning on Scarcity limited edition. There's only a few of it. It drives.

[Jay Dyer]

So you got to get a copy of that golly ambition book, bro. You got to get a copy of that Ruslan prayer journal, dog. You need a golly Ambition T shirt because it's a limited edition dog value

[Caller/Participant]

and the hype of it up and more people engage. Okay, so that is something else. In a strategic collaboration, you can use Scarcity to drive the perceived value of what you're. When you drop something that's scarce, you're leaning on Scarc limited edition. There's only a few of it. It drives the value and the hype of it up, and more people engage. Okay, so that is something else. In a strategic collaboration, you can use scarcity to drive the perceived value of what you're doing. When you drop something that's scarce, you're leaning on scarcity, limited edition. There's only a few of it. It drives the value and the hype of it up, and more people engage. Okay, so that is.

[Jay Dyer]

Talk about business Church, dude. That's the whole thing is business. Church, bro. So this is what Jamie is talking about. This is Brigham Young's son. This is him. This is the son dressed up as a prairie muffin. Now, I know a lot of y' all boys in the chat are like, damn, boy, he kind of flying. He kind of fly right there. A lot of y' all are going full Will Smith, right? Two fives is a 10.

[Caller/Participant]

Girls. Girls.

[Jay Dyer]

That's not a girl, Dude, I know y'. All. A lot of y' all are thinking, hey, dude, I like a little bit of a peek at the holy. Holy lingerie, bro. What kind of holy Victoria Secret you got under that lingerie, bro? Yo, Victoria's Secret is a little bit of a dong down there. Brigham Young, Dawn Brickham, Young Don. Because Young Don got his dong. Dong, dong, Dolph, or whatever. You know what I'm saying? But listen, what's the problem with a church that teaches you need to be circumcised when it's the first heresy? The church condemned, you dummies. This is God, logic and Ruslan's rabbi. Rabbi different community Saint Holy Tamale, whatever his name is. Oh, but who cares? It don't matter, dude. It's the ortho bros are bad. Ortho bros are the problem. I don't understand why people can't figure this out. Why would you go on Ruslan's podcast? I went on the podcast to debate. We had a bunch of talking for months, and he said, I'll have you on the podcast. And I didn't know what to expect. First half of the podcast is an interview. Second of the podcast, we have a debate, and it doesn't become apparent until years later, months later, of what he's really all about. Do you think I research every single person before I go on a pod? Like, I just spend hours of OPS research. I don't have time for that. And so Ruslan started the Battle dummies. Nobody came after Ruzon himself admitted he caused all this. Hector, secret Victoria secret, bro. More like Vito secret, bro. Vato Vato secret. Vato secret, bro. Well, you got under them panties, dude. You got like a little bit of a tamale. I noticed. Like you look like a little tamale underneath the panties, bro. You barely got a tamale under there. A little Mormon tamale. Young dong. David woods entire chat is Protestant coat. Well, that's all they got. See, look. So once they've all retired from debating, it's all over. And they can keep all the super low IQ emotional suede goobers because look, do you want a bunch of people to convert for dumb reasons? Of course not. You want the people who are actually open minded and serious about changing their mind. You don't want emotional weirdos that are swayed by cult of personality. Right? And if they're more concerned with sticking with some goofball because he's just talks about Islam for 20 years and he doesn't know the 5 SOLAs and doesn't know if he believes or rejects the five SOLAs, which is outlandishly ridiculous for a Protestant apologist. Twenty years of evangelical apologetics and David Wood can't say what the five SOLAs are or if he even believes them. That's it, dude. So if you want to follow that, you're the idiot and you're just being taken for a ride. And by the way, we don't want people who are arrogant to convert because they're not ready to convert. Don't you all understand that it takes humility to admit you're wrong and to convert. Rusan admits he knows more about the great soda schism of Pepsi and Coke than he does about the great schism. These people even say they don't care about theology. They actually say, I don't care about all this dogma. Now look at what this dude says here. He doesn't even know that that guy is not an orthodox priest. He's a defrocked schismatic. And he's defrocked because he sided with the Zionists and has no bishop because his bishop is in exile, which means he has no bishop and he's an absolute lunatic. And now David Wood of course goes to this guy that the Ortho bros are pigs. A cesspool of pigs. He got so much flack that he took this down because he didn't even know that this guy was a schismatic. Right? And nor, I mean, these people are just absolute idiots. They will not do a Debate. And by the way, a lot of people are thinking, dude, David Wood is going to convert. I don't believe David Wood is a sincere actor. I don't believe he's a good faith actor. A lot of you people, you can't pick up on people's tells and their psychological admissions and motivations. So a person that has no remorse as an actual so called psychopath, there's no way they're going to be able to convert and admit that they were wrong. You see, until they get to the point where they can actually experience remorse. And for people that are severely damaged, that can only come about by grace. So I'm not saying it's not possible, but I'm saying that when you are at a stage where you're an admitted psychopath who, quote, feels no remorse for any action in their lives at all, it's. It's not going to work to just say, oh, okay, well, I guess I'm orthodox now. Now, this is what these the same church. This is Ruslan's church. The same church is the same people bitching about a celebratory party after a baptism for a fee, which includes renting out the church's fellowship hall and all that. Even though the websites and the churches and cleave called them that called the churches. The money is not for the sacrament. The money is for if you want to have the celebration afterwards and rent the hall, because that's the norm, especially in a lot of Greek churches. And these people are being absolutely dishonest. Even though they've been corrected on this a thousand times over, they just keep pushing the lie that it's simony, which is not simony, which is the purchasing of a religious office. And then Ruslan's own church requires for obedient members to give $10,000 a year.

[Caller/Participant]

Some people in here that are like,

[Jay Dyer]

well, I tried to tithe and I couldn't afford to tithe, or I did

[Caller/Participant]

the tithe and I still, like, I still was broke. And I'd say a bad budgeter will be a broke tither.

[Jay Dyer]

Some. That's Ruslan's pastor, whoever. This dude is preaching, by the way, in a ratty ass T shirt. Who the hell preaches a sermon in a ratty ass T shirt? Well, I guess Ruslan preaches his sermons in his own Bless God T shirts. So at rap church, anything goes. But notice they don't even have drip at rap church. You would think at rap church they would at least have some drip dudes up there in a damn freaking. This Is the. This is the dude you sit next to at the bar, right? Somebody said blink. Says the schismatic guy was on Twitter earlier arguing for an invisible church. Yeah, I told you guys he's not orthodox. And the fact that he presents himself as orthodox should tell you right away that he's not a priest. He's not orthodox, he's not in the church. He's been out of it for a long time. And obviously he's a mentally unstable person. He looks like a freaking drunk. What's wrong with you guys? Jay's mother. $5. Forgive me. Forgive me. Hehole. That's my cholo mom right there. Contemporary compendium. It's not sign money. It's C money. Exactly. I'm over here. See? Walking. They over there seeing money. And an Anglican tried to call me out today for this stuff. Dude, Anglican churches do the exact same thing. Have a fee for baptismal celebrations. So how is the Anglican going to call me out? People are just absolutely insane. Like they're just. They don't. And they don't even care what's true. They're literally looking for any moral clutch pearl clutch to feel better than other people. It's so gay, dude. It's so low tier. I can't believe how low tier the. The whole debate sphere has gotten. Now this evangelical dude, I forget his name. Wings of gayness. What's his name? Wings of queer. Wings of Buffalo. Wings of discipleship. Wings of disciples. This all he did a whole 20 minute video. Wings of what's his name? Of course I asked him to debate and of course he's not going to do it. None of these people will even have a formal debate anymore. They have surrendered. Do you guys not see that all of the pearl clutching is baloney? Because they will also debate Muslims who actually call for violence. David Wood will debate Muslims. A lot of these evangelicals will debate Muslims. Well, Muslims actually do call for violence. No ortho bro has called for violence. All the. The lies they're coming up with, they're trying to spin us as a dangerous cult. Nobody's done that. It's all fake. Where's that guy? What's his name? So they will debate those people, but they won't debate, quote ortho bros. Because we're exclusivist and we have bad behavior. Wise disciple. This is. This guy. This was. This video was so gay, dude. Bearing witness. This video here. What the heck? Mr. Christ. And if our apologetics. The whole thing is just moralizing though there's nothing substantial said in this 25 minute whining fest that. Somebody says a four letter word, the debate prompt was. The only reason he didn't like the debate prompt was that it got turned around on David Wood and made David Wood look like an idiot. Otherwise he would have liked the debate prompt. And then the only other thing he says in this 20, it took him 25 minutes to whine and complain and say, you're still helping Muslims. So everybody was helping atheists. When we were doing podcasts with AP when he was an atheist, because he was an atheist critiquing Islam. This is so stupid. The f. When you get to the point, and we saw this already with Roman Catholic apologetics in the last two, two years, when you get to the point where you can't debate anything and all you have is the moral pearl clutching, it's over. Just think back 10 years ago, 20 years ago, Greg Bonson wasn't whining and bitching about who said a four letter word or who had a cigarette. I mean, it's just so stupid, dude. Like. And I figured out the root of it is that everybody, especially evangelicals, but it's true for even Muslims and for Roman Catholics and for some people in the orthodox world, everybody is, is feminized. They are all effeminate. If you make a joke, they pearl clutch because you're hurting people's feelings. If you make a criticism, they lose their mind and want you out of the church. I mean, they're just insane, soft, weak people everywhere, running everything. And they're all so intellectually dishonest. They're so weak they can't handle anything, which means that we've actually won the intellectual battle. So, so the, the war is kind of coming to a close. There's no more intellectual battles to be had. They have, they have pretty much surrendered, which is kind of crazy. I didn't actually expect them all to fold so quickly. How do you call in? I haven't started the stream yet for the audio stream. Here, I'll start the calls. I forgot to do that. I don't know why y' all can't figure out how to call in. We've been. It's almost 10 years of calling in on Twitter space and y' all still don't understand it. I mean, you don't know how to do that. I'm gonna give you the link right here. Goober. Call in, by the way, about anything except tag. If you say a tag question, I'm just gonna make dumb jokes and make fun of you and don't get your feelings hurt because that's what we do on this. We've always acted ridiculous and made fun of people. And if you get your feelings hurt, then don't freaking call in. Dude, why are you even calling in if you get your feelings hurt? There's absolutely nothing even to cover in this video. And who the heck is even this guy? Okay, dude, look at his bottom teeth. Look at that dude's bottom. He's a damn vampire, bro. Either he's a strigoi or he filed his bottom incisors. I'm starting to think that the. That the churches are full of COVID Satanists and vampires. Dude, look at his bottom teeth. Can y' all see it? Gonna make it bigger. Look at that dude. That dude's got vampire teeth. I'm getting scared now. Maybe I shouldn't have messed with this dude. This dude a vampire right here. That's a vampire if I ever seen one. Boy, And he looks, he looks a little scary too. Look, look deep in his eyes right here. I don't feel like that man has my. My best interest at heart. Right? And who makes a 25 minute video complaining about what exactly? Trolling Internet debates. You're not ever going to stop. Who care? Nobody's going to stop troll debates. You're going to do a crusade against troll debates. Good luck with that. Another thing too that people don't realize. You can still do a formal debate. There are plenty of people still hosting formal debates. Jim Bob does it sometimes. Andrew does it. Modern day debate is still doing it. Who? Who think. Who came to the conclusion that you. There's no more formal debates because ortho bros have ruined everything. Because it's all blood sports. No, it's not. But if you're going to blame people, blame the audiences for enjoying and watching blood sports style debates 10 times more than they watch a formal debate. So go blame the audience, not the ortho bros. And about a million people have commented on this thing that I didn't even know about until yesterday. And this is the Twitter profile woman that caused a huge stir all over Twitter. And I still don't even understand what's going on. But it seems like she went on several dates. And I think I met this person. If it's the same person. I think this person came to a live event one time. But I'm not still not exactly clear as to who is who because everybody's got all these different names and profiles and I don't know who's what and what's which, but so she had sent privately, had several dates and had sent new semi nudes nudes. I don't know, I don't care to see this person's photos. And then wrote a substack. The sub stack blamed all of the young ortho bros. Let's rewind to 2017. Then all of this already the same thing happened in 2017. There was a huge Twitter kerfluffle and this is part of what made ortho bros a evil term because it began with snack. I think snack is technically even before FDA shout out to snack, our favorite French bro snack said blah blah blah, Ortho bros. And I put it in a video title where we cover the. The Jesuits. Like almost, almost a decade ago. It was like 2017. FDA was hanging out with his old parish and a bunch of young dudes that had converted in 2017 and he made a joke in a picture that it was him with ortho bros. Well then, because the original and second Montana conferences had absolute piece of crap libtards, right hit pieces on the conferences and accuse them of being neo in militia people because one person took a picture with a fake wooden toy gun. I kid you not. They craft, they crafted a narrative and this is people from Fordham that this was a right wing militia cult being started run by the ortho bro movement. So it doesn't even exist as a movement. It's fake now. At the same time, right before all the Montana stuff, there was a huge Twitter debate in 2017 about women and the role of women online, in media, in the church, etc. And thousands of people voiced their opinions on all sides. Okay, and this is what initially David Irhan was the first to pop off and he made a video criticizing women. Most of what David said was correct, by the way. Even if I disagree with the extremes of people like St. Jerome, I think St. Jerome said some pretty ridiculous, silly things about women. And St. Jerome doesn't have, by the way, the same status amongst Orthodox that he has in the West. Not saying he's not a saint, I'm just saying he's. He's not as he does have some errors and we don't have him as high of a saint as the Latin Roman Catholic Church does. Regardless, this became this huge nonsensical drama because at the same time there was at that time a E girl who was just some kind of. She wasn't like a Nala Ray, but she was like a. A wild Serbian chick or something and she was suddenly going back to church or something. And I Don't know if she was or wasn't, but she was moralizing on Twitter. And then people were like, weren't you just a party rave chick like last year? And now you're like, E girl, Twitter girl, you know? So this is a trend. This is a problem that we've seen over and over. Right. And there's a fair criticism there. Yeah, it's great that you're no longer, you know, a Instagram yoga chick or only fans chick or whatever. We're all happy about that. But usually what is necessary is an amount of time to see if this is a genuine conversion, because a lot of people are figuring out that a lot of people aren't genuine. There's a lot of grifting going on. Even back then, it was ortho bros calling out online grifters. We, for example, called out Ancient Faith because Ancient Faith was putting on a conference with a woman who promotes Skittles thing to children. I got heavily attacked. People came after me. They tried to get me thrown out of the church. Well, guess who was right? Oh, I was like, I was just doing this for no reason. And of course, Ancient Faith had a bunch of egg on their face after that. Has anyone, by the way, ever reached out and apologized? Absolutely not. No. No, not at all. Not only that, they were also promoting women who wanted Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama to be elected openly. They were promoting women who wanted women's ordination. All of which we called out. Well, guess who's the bad guy? Of course. The ortho bros. Of course they're the bad guys. I will say that there are at times fake profiles and perhaps an ortho bro here or there who goes too far. But even that is minuscule in comparison to the other positions, mistakes and errors, what they're up to, these phonies, these grifters, And this person, who this whatever this person's Catherine or whoever, she originally came into our discord, if I understand this correct, if this is the same person, she was in there, by the way, in 2017. 18. Okay, guess what? She caused problems in the Discord back then. Kai, if I recall, tossed her out of the discord in 2017 because she was causing problems. And the ortho bros of discord, especially the older era, the 20, the 10 year ago crowd, many of whom, by the way, are now married with kids and becoming clergy. All of those bros, they have a pretty stellar track record of smelling out phonies, frauds and tossing them out because they cause problems. So as soon as I saw Kai Telling me that this was such and such person from a long time ago. I'm right. All right. No, Kai knows what's up. I trust Sky's judgment 100 because he's consistently solid in his judgment. I can only think of one time in the discord when we made a significant miscalculation. But regard outside of that. And by the way, I think even Kai was right about that one because he was. He was warning me about this person that I was like, well, I don't know, maybe they're all right. And then of course, they turned out to be bad news. But so anyway, this is a recurring kerfuffle. And the problem is that when it goes. It's weird too, because you don't expect this kind of stuff to be the big thing that goes viral, but when it goes viral, it turns out that there's more to the story. And this person who wrote this essay, of course, blaming ortho bros and all the evil men and everybody's bad and all that, well, turns out she's doing all the same things that she's critiquing even up to right before she wrote the paper or the. The sub sac or whatever. How do we know this? Because people that she had been flirting with or talking to blacked out the image and showed what she had done. And then they claimed that was revenge. Prawn. No, no. Showing an image is what mainstream news does. That's not revenge, Prawn dummies. What are you even talking about? To black it out and show what it is. The mainstream news, when they report on that kind of stuff, does that. So now all mainstream news is revenge. That's not what that is. I. So I think there's a lot of things going on. Number one, the church in mass, unfortunately, whether it's orthodox or Protestant or Roman Catholic or whatever, everyone is feminized across the board. And I know that because I've spent my life in churches of all flavors. And many, many, many churches, even if they are churches that don't believe that women can be in the priesthood or whatever, many of them are still run by women. There's still women running the. The church board, whatever. And it doesn't mean that there's nothing, not times or exceptions for that, where a person or bishop or priest can make an exception, say this person is allowed to do a talk, they're good at this subject, and women are particularly good at instructing other women, instructing younger kids, that kind of stuff. But the norm should not be women running and teaching Everything that should not be the norm, even if there are some economia exceptions. But the default now is to automatically assume that believe all women, no matter what, even though we never hear the full story until later. The default is men are all bad. Men are all horrible. They're all addicted to prawn. This is the person who's sending her gross pictures to, to other dudes right before she writes this. So you can't faucet everybody when you got the same sins. And then I noticed the people automatically coming to her defense, don't even know the whole story. And then here's somebody here saying even if she did all these bad things, it's still all the men's fault that she did all these things. I'm like, what? So the problem is that you can't claim equality and claim that even in many ways, many cases you're. I saw a tick tock video that went viral where a woman saying young woman like a Gen Z millennial woman, saying women actually are superior and they are more responsible than men. Well, responsible means you take responsibility. So that means that you have to be accountable for your actions. You don't get the free pass if you're quote, responsible and accountable. But notice the tendency is to not want to offend people. And a lot of priests, preachers, pastors, they know that the source of the tithe, the source of the money coming into the donation bucket basket is the women. So they're not going to offend the women at all costs. So this leads to a perpetuating problem of where nobody wants to dare offend a woman because that will first of all damage the tithe, right? And especially business. Church is a thousand times worse when it comes to this stuff than anyone else. Other things going on that I think people overlook. A lot of women who. This happens to dudes too, because dudes are also over prescribed SSRIs and all these pharmaceuticals. But last time I was single, going back to before Jamie, I would say in the 2010s, right? Many of the women that I dated went on dates with. Many of them were on pills and had alcohol problems. One of them that I dated later came to me and apologized for all the things that she had done, bad things that she had done to me. We, we didn't even date that long. We did it maybe a couple months. And she would have these histrionic fits, right? And she later apologized and admitted that she had gone to rehab. She had to go check into aa. Now when we were talking for a few months I suspected that she was on pills, but I had no proof. I didn't know for sure. I merely mentioned at one time in a phone conversation, and she absolutely lost it on me. She had a histrionic meltdown with threats, which, of course, I just laughed at. This older don't ever call me again. Hung up on her in the midst of it and didn't see her again until two or three years later. She. I remember she sent me an email or something and said she was. She apologized, that in fact she had had an addiction to whatever. I don't remember what a pill it was. And that she had had to check into some form of AA or whatever. Rehab, I don't know, Narcon, right? Narcotics Anonymous. Now, she was the only option or the only example of this. Multiple other ones that I had dated before I met Jamie had pill problems. I'm talking about Xanax addictions. I'm talking about OxyContin addiction. And that's just the drug side of it. It. Other ones were on SSRIs. And then if they. If you drink alcohol and mix that with ssr, you go insane. You're not supposed to do that, right? You know that, right? If you drink, especially if you mix like a Xanax with. Which is not ssri, if you mix a Xanax with alcohol, you'll basically just black out. If you mix an SSRI with alcohol, you will go insane. You'll go crazy. And you people, they don't remember what happened. I've seen this over and over. People on SSRIs, they drink a month, they get drunk, they go insane. And I actually believe them, too. I don't think they're lying. They actually don't remember what they did. They will attack you. They will fight you. They will do run out in the street nude. I mean, they'll just go crazy. And then the next day, you tell them what happened, and they think you're crazy because they don't believe you. They think you just made up a crazy story and you're lying. No, no, you really did that. Like, you went insane. So this is why it's getting crazy, this whole pharmaceutical element of it. And I suspect that birth control also affects people. In my opinion, my assessment, in other ways. We don't even know. A lot of these women are taking all these pills. And that just makes all of this about 10 times worse. So boomers. The reason boomers can't accurately assess this is because, number one, boomers are actually contributors to part of the problem because they have propped up this system and all these nonsense for decades that they were brainwashed into. And boomers worship and love the pharmaceutical industry. And doctors. Doctors are an infallible religious authority for boomers. A doctor can do no wrong. I mean, if a doctor comes to a boomer and says, we need your children's genitalia to make society not racist, boomers will say, yes, please, take the pee pees. Cut them off. You are the doctor. You are the Incan Aztec high priest. I offer my children to you. Yes, please, whatever stops the racism, right? Yes, cut all the peepees off so that we have no racisms. And please give me more Prozacs. Shove the Prozacs down my throat, please. So, long story short, that's. I don't know what else to say. That's my assessment of this, but also too, just the moralizing, man. The, the hyper moralizing just. It's so played out, man, from everybody. Guys need to be very careful with people like her because the traits that she exhibited throughout this whole phenomena, they remind me of the girl that I'm talking about that had the pill problem. Right? She, the, the, the way that she's acting to me suggests more than. I wouldn't be surprised if what I'm saying, if she's not on SSRIs and drinks her cocktails and her wine. Mom.

[Caller/Participant]

What?

[Jay Dyer]

Box mom. Box box mom. Box box mom. Because that's. Because, you know, you know, the doctors all intentionally over prescribe this to all the women, but it's. The pharmaceutical industry has literally targeted all the women by design with all these crazy pills. And then they tell them, oh, you need all this. I'm a doctor. And they all believe it, right? So I think like UBI said, young men have been told over and over and over, man up. You have to prove that you're a real, real Christian by shutting up and submitting to damaged party girls. And that is a recipe for disaster. Both sides will have to demonstrate over time that they have self control, dudes and chicks. And to not also hold women accountable is dishonest because everybody is accountable for their actions, especially at the judgment, right? There's no free passes at the final. Oh, well, so you're a woman, so we don't. You don't get. You're, you're not accountable for your actions. You're just a victim. No, everybody is accountable. That's why we all go to confession. If we weren't accountable, we wouldn't all confess. Now, it's true that men have a little A little more responsibility. Right? Because men are intent, tended to be leaders. But at the same time we live in a society where everything is invert, inverted, it's all the inverse. So there's no easy answers or solutions. The only possible solution is. Not just a quote restoral of restoration of patriarchy, but. There's a lot of. Oh, I didn't even realize the Twitter was muted. Thank you, appreciate that. We're gonna go to Twitter calls here in a second. I didn't realize it was muted this whole time. That's all right. They can go listen to what, what we're saying on the YouTube stre. Here's what's happening. This is what people are noticing. And this is not just for guy girl issues. It's also for cultural issues, societal issues. People are realizing that the moral critiques and the pearl clutching has been very selective and one sided for a really long time. That's what people are figuring out. So it's like, wait a minute. Ortho bro is bad because of debating and the same person is like not calling out the people 10 times worse and people are figuring that out orthobo bro's bad because xyz in terms of dating. Okay, are you calling out any women? In fact, I've only heard one priest that I can recall even rebuke women. Now if you read the fathers and the saints, they rebuke women all the time. So we're noticing. People are noticing. Wait a minute. There's a very selective preaching and rebuking going on now. Again, men do have more responsibility, so they bear a little bit more weight. But to never rebuke anyone else but the ortho bros. And where are you calling out the people 100 times worse than that? It's very selective. You see, that is a problem. Who has a question, raise your hand. Who has a disagreement, you go to the head of the line, hush tones. What's up by the way? I wasn't even going to talk about this until I realized how everybody on Twitter is talking about this guy girl issues, man. That's like the only thing people want to talk about. That, that's that. That is. I was like, I mean it's a huge problem. I understand. I don't know what the solution is because it's so, it's so. Yeah. That was an awesome meme, by the way, Jim Bob. The problem is so massive because the establishment has perfectly engineered a, a gender war by design. They want everyone at everyone's throats and they push everything that absolutely Is intended to upend society and make it inverted. So there. There's no easy solutions at all. There's no all the people pearl clutching and doing the moral one upping. Like they're not even realizing that you can't just fix this by whining and bitching at people on Twitter. Hush tones. I mean,

[Caller/Participant]

Jay Dyer, this is your favorite director, David Lynch.

[Jay Dyer]

What's up, y'? All? We got so the Protestants say, why you? Why are you praying and talking to dead people? How else could I talk to David Lynch?

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, I'm calling. I couldn't get the number to Art Bell, so I'm calling you.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I think we're a lot funnier than Art Bell. Our bell. That was Boomer, dude, that's boring.

[Caller/Participant]

Jay. I was drinking a milkshake and thinking about water and I was realizing what is going on with these data centers? Tell me, David, the why Think about this. Why are they not calling the data centers with reverse osmosis? Jay, they are using a method that is stripping the water of its memory. And the nephilim are coming and implanting bad memories into your water.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. David lynch figured it out. Water has memory and everyone has forgotten this. Gray arc. What's up? Appreciate that. Hush tones. Gray orc. What's up, dude? That was David. What's on your mind? Huh?

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, so I'm an Eastern Orthodox. I've been fan of the show, man. Awesome. But I had some questions. I've been seeing some stuff going on on YouTube with the. The Protestant guys like Brian Deville and them. They've been posting their, like, their titles with Orthodox priestess, but they end up being like a Coptic Orthodox priest. Been doing it too.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, it's a grip. They do. They've been roots of Orthodoxy. That's their whole thing. They've been doing it for years. Yeah.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah. So my question is, I guess it's got me into the Coptic Orthodox stuff. Really? How should we be treating or how should we be like facing some of the Coptic Orthodox kind of rebuttals or things about Christology? I know that the difference between Eastern Orthodox and Coptic is really the. The Christology, but is it just a semantics thing that kind of really wasn't understood when it happened?

[Jay Dyer]

No, no, it's not. And that's why we've been doing lectures. So start with our refuting Oriental Orthodoxy lecture series. Not being rude. I'm just saying, like, everybody comes on and asks that question and it's a very involved question. So you're going to have to go through the through the series. But take your time and do it. It will be beneficial for you. Leon. What's up, Leon? You want to mute Leon? Howy, stranger. Got some wares for you. Hey, Jamie, could you make me a espresso? Thank you. Hear me, Leon? Can't connect. Try calling back in. Dude, you guys got to have good, good Internet, man. Come on, man. Krombooplos. Krombooplos. What's up, dude?

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, what's up, J?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, sir.

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, got a question. And also a question.

[Jay Dyer]

Say it correctly.

[Caller/Participant]

Question from your debate with that Baptist dude the other night.

[Jay Dyer]

Huh?

[Caller/Participant]

So a point that I don't hear very often, but I think it's a good one for these kgv.

[Jay Dyer]

Kjv?

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

No, it's the KGB Bible. Right?

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

They've exposed me because I'm the one that's promoting the KGB Bible.

[Caller/Participant]

Oh, man. But so these people don't realize that the KJV comes from the Textus Receptus, which is all Byzantine.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Participant]

Medieval.

[Jay Dyer]

Some of them do. No, some of them. Some of them will say that when I. Listen. When I went to a. The first time I went to an IFB Trail of Blood Baptist Church was in the year 2000s, right? So this is right before the big night event. And I had this huge debate in person with this stupid Trail of Blood IFB Baptist. And his whole thing was, brother, I believe in a Textus Receptus. That's the Greek text. The. The Bible of the Orthodox. Even he told me that. So some of them know this, but they have no idea what they're actually saying.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, I don't. I don't remember if it was this guy, but I did see something with some of these IFB guys saying that the. The Elizabethan English actually corrects the Greek as if. As if they're eternal. Eternally created. KGV Bible is. Is eternally in.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that's the. That's. That's the divine language. The divine language is not Latin. The Roman Catholics think that many, you know, track cats think that it's Latin. And the demons are scared of Latin. No, they're just. They're scared of Old English because that's the language of heaven. Ye. Ye. Heaven is in ye. Old English. But I don't know what to say when you're dealing with people that are this uneducated. The IFB people started making tick tocks about me, too, after this. And I got these dms people are saying, like, you are obviously not born again because there ain't no way you could say that the Bible ain't the word of God. And it's like, are you. Like, how many times do I have to say that? You can say that it is, in a sense, the word of God, but it's also not the word of God in another sense, because it's a divine person. They don't know when you say it's a divine person, Divine hypostasis. And the book is like the letter that describes him. And you, like, even when you explain it, like, look, if somebody writes a letter about me and it says, you know, it says the words of Jay Dyer. And then somebody says, that letter's Jay Dyer. And I'm like, no, the letter is about me, dummy. It's got his name on it, though. It says Jay Dyer, I Dyer. I said, that's him. No, that's a letter about me, dummy. I'm not the letter. You saying that. That ain't. That ain't J. Dyer. It said he got his name on the front of it right there. It got his name on it right there. How was that not him? That's what you're dealing with, dude. You're dealing with Bible hillbillies, dude. And I know because I grew up. I'm from the Bible bell, dude. I grew up with all this stuff. You think I don't know this stuff, dude? It's my life, dog. What you talking about? I wasn't in ifb, but I was in Southern Baptist, which is. That's like the kissing cousin of that stuff. Christine. Oh, we got a wine mama on here.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm gonna set that boy straight.

[Jay Dyer]

Get that franzia out right now. Get that pack. Put me in the. Put me in the spot on. On the timeout. She gonna put me in a timeout. Christine, unmute. Girl. Honey, you better talk. It's your chance right here. Christine. I can't hear you. Girl, you better talk. Christine. What's up, man? Girl, you was. Honey, I can hear you.

[Caller/Participant]

Hello?

[Jay Dyer]

Girl, what is on your mind? Put me in my place. Gone girl. Slay queen. Girl, you gotta put the franzy down to unmute.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, I'm gonna try one more thing.

[Jay Dyer]

I can hear you. Good grief, dude, you can't just talk. You don't know how to work the phone. Christine, talk to me, baby.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, now. Can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Girl, I can hear you. Can you hear me? Put that.

[Caller/Participant]

I had the microphone up. I'm so sorry.

[Jay Dyer]

That ain't my fault. Girl, put the. Put the box one down.

[Caller/Participant]

It's all mine anyways. I would like to Prove that while the Jews had a simulation of the things in heaven, the Catholics and the Orthodox have set up a simulacrum of the simulation the Jews had. While those who understand Hebrews know we have access to the real thing. Not made with hands on earth, but in heaven, directly and boldly.

[Jay Dyer]

A simulation? You don't even know what you're talking about. The Jews had a simulation, not a simulation.

[Caller/Participant]

Catholics have a simulacrum.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, those words can mean the same thing. So what are you even talking about?

[Caller/Participant]

A similar acrum is like a step past the simulation. So the simulation is of the real thing and the simulacrum is a step past simulation.

[Jay Dyer]

The Orthodox position is that the Divine Liturgy is the heaven on earth worship. So it's not a replacement. It's not a simulation, not a simulacrum. It's the real thing. It's the same thing. So what are you talking about?

[Caller/Participant]

Hear me out. In Hebrews, it talks about how all the. All the way in which the temple was set up was a shadow of what was actually in heaven.

[Jay Dyer]

I know that it's called two. The Greek word is tupos. Hush. The Greek word is tupos. I'm aware. What about it?

[Caller/Participant]

I'm sorry, I missed that last part.

[Jay Dyer]

You said, I know what is in Hebrews. The Greek word is. Okay, Tupos. Type.

[Caller/Participant]

Type.

[Jay Dyer]

It's a type of the things in heaven. I'm aware of all that.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah. It's a reflection. It's a simulation.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, what does this have to do with what you're arguing?

[Caller/Participant]

Because my point is like to. To the. To the Jews in the Old Testament, they were specified exactly how everything was to look because it was going to reflect what was in heaven. We now actually have access to heaven and the heavenly realm, to the holies. We don't need to go through temples or building church buildings or through other priests.

[Jay Dyer]

So you're. So you're agnostic. So, so you're a gnostic. So because Jesus came.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm not a gnostic.

[Jay Dyer]

You are gnostic and you're proving that you're agnostic right now.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, so I believe in the bodily resurrection.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. But everything after that related to his actual body, which is the church. You're actually agnostic about.

[Caller/Participant]

I disagree because I believe everyone will be raised bodily.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but that's not the only reason or way to be a gnostic. Let me show you. In Hebrews 13 it says that we have an altar from which those who serve at the tabernacle have no right to Eat. So he's contrasting the Christian altar where we eat the Eucharist from the Jewish altar, where they eat the blood or where they eat the animal sacrifices. Where is your Baptist? Where is your Baptist? Stop interrupting me in yapping. Nobody went to you yet. Let me finish the question, yapper. Where is the altar?

[Caller/Participant]

It's in heaven. That's why it's one. It's a altar where we offer sacrifices of praise. And this is after.

[Jay Dyer]

Where do you eat? This doesn't say that.

[Caller/Participant]

This is after.

[Jay Dyer]

Stop yapping. You have no clue what you're talking about.

[Caller/Participant]

I do.

[Jay Dyer]

No, you don't.

[Caller/Participant]

Just reading Hebrews, like, for the fourth time today.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, wow. So you've read it for the fourth time. So you understand it. You don't even. You don't understand it. Stop yapping. You can't stop yapping and you don't even know what you don't know. This is how silly you are. It says we have an altar from which those who serve at the tabernacle have no right to eat. This is talking about eating the sacrament, the Eucharist. You understand? Most Protestant commentators will actually admit this section of Hebrews is actually talking about the Eucharistic service in the early church because he goes on to talk about the Eucharistia in the Greek in verse 15.

[Caller/Participant]

So am I going to be able

[Jay Dyer]

to respond now that I'm finished talking? I want you to respond to what I said. Don't just repeat your dumb position. Respond to what I just said.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm not. I. I have a fully formed road. I'd like to walk down here. That will explain it.

[Jay Dyer]

I want a response to what I said. I don't want your dumb position stated again. What did I just say? Wow. Can you respond to what I said?

[Caller/Participant]

The conversation is going to be this aggressive. I should probably just say goodbye.

[Jay Dyer]

Can you respond to what I said? That's a conversation.

[Caller/Participant]

I'd like to have a real conversation.

[Jay Dyer]

Stop whining and respond to the argument. I don't care that you think it's aggressive. You called into a debate stream. That's your fault.

[Caller/Participant]

And I now realize maybe it wasn't a good idea.

[Jay Dyer]

What is the response to the argument that was just made?

[Caller/Participant]

Made.

Well, Jay, if you can talk to me in a respectful manner.

[Jay Dyer]

What is the response? Stop yapping and whining. What's the response to the argument that was made?

[Caller/Participant]

I. I will continue if you could talk to me respectfully and let me answer properly.

[Jay Dyer]

This is a debate stream. You get treated like Every other debater, that's fine.

[Caller/Participant]

And I didn't realize it was going to be like this.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm sorry. If you're having a problem, you yap over me and then you whine and complain when I stop you. This is not your stream. You yap over me, I'm gonna stop you. Then stop yapping over me and wait until the conversation progresses to where the argument is finished.

[Caller/Participant]

It seems like actually what you're.

[Jay Dyer]

You're just whining and bitching. Just get out of here. Get out. This is so stupid. Zero patience for this read. What's red cloud? What's up? If you call into a debate stream, you must respond to the argument. You keep stating your position over and over. That is not an argument. Argument is not arguing. It's respond to the position that was just stated. You're mean.

[Caller/Participant]

Look at.

[Jay Dyer]

No, no. Everybody who calls into debate stream is going to get treated the exact, exact same. I don't care if you. If you call into the debate stream. This is not your stream. This is not. You have authority. You don't have authority here. Let me explain how you are viewed here. This is for amateurs to call in. This is amateur night. If you go to a comedy club, you do amateur stuff, you're going to get heckled and made fun of when you make dumb jokes. If you call into a debate stream and I have been debating for 25 years, you're not my equal in this conversation. In this conversation, you're not my equal here. You don't tell me how the debate's going to be conducted. If you call into amateur night and you can't take being critiqued, you're not fit to debate. This is a filtering mechanism. When you go to amateur night and you can't take being heckled, that means you're getting filtered out of comedy. When you call into this stream, unless you are a top tier debater, you're not my equal. I don't care what you think. I don't care if you think you're better than me. If you are, demonstrate it. Demonstrate that you are a superior debater. You have your chance. That means, though, if you don't address the argument and the responses, I'm going to call you back to the point. You're not going to get to yappo. This is not an opportunity for you to preach a Baptist sermon. We're all former Baptists here. What are you talking about? How am I so sensitive? I'm not the one that left the conversation. She did. She said I'M not going to do this. You're too aggressive. Welcome to debates. I mean, I make an argument to you and if you don't address my argument, you're not going to make it here. Addressing an argument. Let me help you out. For people that don't understand how debate works, you understand if you were in academia, that's the world I come out of. This is how it's work. This is how it's conducted. It works this way. Way. Stating your position over and over and over. Filibustering and giving me a sermon. That is not a response to a specific line of argumentation. I gave her a specific line of argumentation refuting Baptist gnostic perspectives and how her assessment of Hebrews is false because it says right here, there's an altar that we eat from. I don't care what you think about my tone. I don't care what you think about how loud I say it it or what I say in response. None of that is addressing the argument. It's very simple. Any area that you go into, if you take guitar lessons, your guitar teacher is going to critique you and tell you, this is no good. You don't know what you're doing. You don't have the right style. You're not holding the pick right. You're not doing this right.

[Caller/Participant]

Oh, why do they mean me? What do you mean?

[Jay Dyer]

It's not mean to say that's a fallacy. You can't do that. No, that's an invalid move. Imagine playing chess and then you start knocking the pieces over. That's not a valid move. You can't just take the pieces. There's rules to chess. I know a lot of people are stupid that you guys, you got to understand there's rules to debate. It's not arguing. It's a chess game. There's rules, the laws of thought, critical thinking. You can't just do whatever you want. If you do, I'm going to call you out and say you can't do that. If you can't control emotions in a debate and stick to the topic, that doesn't mean that you can't be aggressive. It doesn't mean you can't make rhetorical turns of phrases, jokes. All of that is part of debate. That's called rhetoric. I made a very simple Argum argument and response and she wants to go off into telling a story and debating about debating.

[Caller/Participant]

I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

We're not doing that here. You're just wasting everybody's time. Look, we're not worried about what you Think about debates. We don't care. I don't care. Either respond with an argument or stop wasting our time. By the way, you can support the stream through streamlabs. Here is the streamlabs link right here. Welcome, everybody. Got a giant audience tonight. Appreciate it. Glad everybody's here for the open. We never know what we're gonna get. It's always. It's. It's always just a toss up, right? But I love the insanity. Red cloud. What's up on you?

[Caller/Participant]

First time? Long time. Yeah, let's say a long time, man. Cool. Space. So this is any topic or we. Are we trying to stick on this religion?

[Jay Dyer]

Whatever. It's whatever, dude.

[Caller/Participant]

All right, well, just real quick. I saw this Norm MacDonald click clip, you know, it was like a 46.

[Jay Dyer]

Like, I don't.

[Caller/Participant]

I don't like to preach bearing. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. Is that it? Just Norm MacDonald? Yeah. I mean, I like Norm MacDonald. I've always thought he was funny. Interesting. Interesting comment. Who's next? Covert Kane, Kurt Cobain or Cobra Kane? What's up, dog? Cobert Kane on mute.

[Caller/Participant]

What? You didn't like, like this guy before me?

[Jay Dyer]

What did I like the guy before you? I love him. He's hot and sexy and I have a crush on him. Is that what you want? What?

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, what are, like, debates? If I. If I.

[Jay Dyer]

Good grief. Come on, man. When y' all call in, be sober. Dude, unless you're a wine mom, don't call in unless you're sober. Over. If you're a y mom, please do call in. Herman, what's up? Eastern European drunkenness, bro. What's up, man? Herman Kane. What's up? I can tell we're in for a wild night tonight. We are. We are getting everybody just high as hell tonight. Herman. I'm mute.

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, Jay, I have this demon. Like, I'm possessed by a French Canadian demon. Would you debate him? What he says?

[Jay Dyer]

A French Canadian demon? Will I debate a French Canadian demon? Yes, I will.

[Caller/Participant]

Is not really a religion. It's not.

[Jay Dyer]

What do you think is okay? Now everybody's just trolling, which is fine with me. I don't care. But, like, I don't know what's going on. French Canadian, the demon. Are you talking about jf what are you talking about? Jonathan. What's up, dude? It's clown night tonight. Jonathan, are you the Canadian demon? Oh, dude, I just had a question.

[Caller/Participant]

If that's.

[Jay Dyer]

That's Quashan. Do what? It's Quan. Pronounce it correctly.

[Caller/Participant]

I Don't know what that means.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Participant]

Oh, qu.

[Jay Dyer]

Thank you. Talk like a black a bipoc woman or else I can't understand you. No one can handle the heat here. They just. They can't take it. I love. I love it, too. You're all getting trolled. Johnny B. What's up, dude? I love the feral crazy colors. Please make me crazy with you. What's up, dude?

[Caller/Participant]

Aj I got a quick question for you.

[Jay Dyer]

So I've been inquiring for about a

[Caller/Participant]

year, and my understanding is that the Orthodox rejection of PSA.

[Jay Dyer]

I knew it. How did I know with within two seconds that it was PSA?

[Caller/Participant]

So in Psalm 87 in the Greek, 88 in the Hebrew verse 8 says, your wrath rested upon me and you brought all your billows over me.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. The wrath of God is death. The wrath of God is death, the severing of his human soul from his human body. It is not the divine rejection of the Father to the Son. So if you. Look, just read. Just read John of Damascus, book three, the last three chapters. PSA dummies. Read John Damascus, book three, the last 3 paragraphs. The wrath is him, assuming human nature and mortality and experiencing the severing of his human soul from his human. But that's it. It. That's. The only possible wrath that a divine hypostasis could accept, is death in the human soul being severed from the human body. That's it. The Father is not rejecting the person of the son. All you have to do is study Christology and all of this will line up perfectly. D. Dorothy. Daffy. OG Dolly. I got my sexy cop shades on, so I can't read the. The names tonight. Dolly. What's up, dude? You that clone? Hey, you that clone sheep?

[Caller/Participant]

What's up, Jay Dyer? How you doing?

[Jay Dyer]

You a clone? You was that clone sheep? Dolly.

[Caller/Participant]

That's right. I'm the OG Dolly. You know what that means when you rearrange the words godly? Baby, I'm godly.

[Jay Dyer]

It means you was a clone sheep back in 1999.

[Caller/Participant]

Actually, I'm 85, baby. I'll be 41 in September.

[Jay Dyer]

What is on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

I actually wanted to say thank you for having me. And I also wanted to ask you. I came in when you were ripping some ass on that girl, and I just wanted to know what was the question, what was the answer, or what was. What was the real topic? And I was very interested because I'm Greek Orthodox. Byzantine. Right. So I'm curious if we could collaborate. That's it. Thank you.

[Jay Dyer]

For having me collaborate. What do you mean?

[Caller/Participant]

You know, just figure out what. What the topics about that you guys were talking about.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so she talk about it. She had a Baptist background, it sounded like. And her argument was that if you believe in earthly temples and an earthly altar, then you are violating the principle of the book of Hebrews, which says that in the Old Testament, the Jews had a tupos in the Greek, a type of the heavenly things. And so now that Jesus come, we don't need any earthly temples or altars because it's all quote in heaven. But the mistake is to think that the Incarnation was a reversal of all earthly things like altars. Because in Hebrews 13, Paul reiterates that the church has its altar where we eat the Eucharistic sacrifice. And so she

[Caller/Participant]

go get the Eucharist, and that's actually a resurrection of the Christ. So you're resurrecting him while you're having that Eucharist best. So, yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you for telling me that. You have a wonderful evening, sir.

[Jay Dyer]

Thank you. Doan. What's up, man? What's on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

I had an important question regarding the Wigs, Antium and Wigger paradigm. I was watching the.

[Jay Dyer]

There is no higher authority that you could call into. Than. Than me.

[Caller/Participant]

Pardon?

[Jay Dyer]

Now, there are some ancient OG elders of the Wigger sphere. We can include people like Hush. We can include people like Jamie Kennedy, Vanilla Ice. So there are some og, but in terms of present reigning emperors of Exantium, you could appeal to no higher authority. So you called into the right place.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, thank you. Question for you, Emperor. So we were listening to the Piers Morgan back and forth, and my wife, who is a bipoc queen, she had a question. Is she allowed to say portion? Do you feel about.

[Jay Dyer]

Don't call into me and say question when it's clearly obviously question.

[Caller/Participant]

Oh, apologies. The question is, can she say Wigger? Does she have the W pass?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. I can go get my pimp cane. Let me grab it for you guys and give the official blessing that you can say it.

[Caller/Participant]

Hold on.

Oh, God bless. Emperor Spoken.

[Jay Dyer]

I hereby bless and do also convey upon thee the right to use the W word when it is sensible and appropriate, my people. There you go. I hereby revoke all allegiance to Ruslan. I hereby revoke all previous W passes possessed by or heretofore had by Ruslan. Ruslan is officially excommunicated from Agorta, from Wigsantium, and all associated adjacent franchises from henceforth and forevermore. So mo and be Son, I just officially excommunicated Ruslan from Wigsanthe that you heard it right there. And this staff of power is going to sit right by my side as a symbol and a sign of authority for the rest of the stream. Right here. It's gonna be right here. Who's next? Rama, Snake Romski, Whatever the hell your name is. I still don't think people have even understood the knowledge bombs I dropped over here on my Piers Morgan appearance. I think people just still aren't. It's. I spoke too deep. I spoke too. Too much wisdom and that nobody has processed it yet. What's up, man? I'm. You look at me. Just silent meditating, trying to enlighten these fools. What's up, dude? I'm mute. Talk. Talk, dude. Yo, dude, talk, bro. Raheemski, do you want to talk or not? Raheemski.

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Yes.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, I'm just calling in. So basically, I have kind of like a two parter.

[Jay Dyer]

I was thinking, like, you doing a number two. Hold on, dude. You doing a number one or number two on me, dude?

[Caller/Participant]

Well, I'll start with the second, actually. I think the second is actually more important. I was wondering if you could possibly consider, like, leveraging your connections to try to get on broken, because he only has had, like, protestant perspectives on.

[Jay Dyer]

You think I haven't tried, dude? You think I ain't tried?

[Caller/Participant]

I. I feel like there should be a way because you. You have like, direct contact, essentially, right? You know, you know, Alex, Eddie Bravo, Andrew Wilson, his wife. I feel like it should be pretty doable, right?

[Jay Dyer]

Everybody has recommended me. So this. This here's the problem, though. Everybody also knows that Joe Rogan's number one pet peeve is when anyone says to him, hey, have this person on. So unless it comes directly into the purview of Joe Rogan himself or in the comments, because I'm sure he reads and sees some comments, at least. I don't. I mean, maybe not. I don't know, but. I don't know. Yeah, I would love to maybe one day. Just. I'm trying to think of what the. Because I'm thinking, well, does he read comments? I don't know if he reads comments. Probably not. But we just had a really funny, fun Eddie Bravo episode if you guys didn't see that. And dude, Eddie Bravo is a trip, dude. That dude is like the. He's the grand emperor of. Of Cholo Cholo town. So if you guys didn't watch my Eddie Bravo, go watch that. Here it Is right here. Those include. This was wild right here. Boy. This was wild. So be sure and definitely go watch that. And I guess the best thing to do at this point really is just keep putting it in the comments. And even if Joe doesn't see the comments, maybe perhaps eventually Jamie, his producer guy, will see the comments or something like that. Maybe. Good grief. What the. How do we. I've never had 31 requests to come into the chat. What the heck is going on? 31 people. Does somebody big share this or something? There's only 100 people in here, so how could we get. How could there be 31 people wanting to come on here? Let's try to get through a lot of these people. Cole, what's up, dude? You bring one wine mom on. And the world follows. That's the secret right here, dude. Cole, what's up?

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

How you doing, man? Great. What's on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

Well, first off, so I live in Austin and Cedar Park. Father Andrew sends his regards. I don't know if you know who he is. He's in St. John.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, is it Antiochian?

[Caller/Participant]

I'm sorry?

[Jay Dyer]

Antiochian?

[Caller/Participant]

I think so. Yes.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, I do know. I do know him because he. We went out to eat and hung out way long time ago when he was a deacon. So, yeah, he's a priest now. So glad to hear that you've met him. He's a good dude. He's a really good guy.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, he's. He's been very helpful. I'm kind of in a weird limbo phase, but I won't really get to that too much. Keep respect your time. Something that's coming forward in the ether. The ether. I loved your conversation with Joseph Farrell. Have you pursued the implications of this kind of new.

[Jay Dyer]

This.

[Caller/Participant]

Well, it's not new. People have been talking about plasma and it's kind of the. You know, the ethers for. And you've been talking about it too, so. I mean, I've listened to your stuff for years, but the implications of it seem that it's actually real. Like there may be. Like that's a part of what this UFO thing may be about is limited hangout, obviously to redescribe.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, but it's like.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, but maybe it's in plasmoidal structures.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know if I know that

[Caller/Participant]

sounds crazy or weird, but.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I mean, there's entirely. Entirely a possibility. Thank you. Recall. Appreciate that. It's probably a possibility that what's going on with a lot of the UFO nonsense is perhaps related to some sort of subtle ether physics that has been studied and kept from the public. Absolutely. And in fact I was writing essays on that possibility. Not saying that's true. I don't know for sure. Just as a possibility. 10 years ago. Wrote a bunch of essays on that possibility, but just speculation. Don't really know how I could prove that or go beyond that. But we got 33 people in the, in the chat who disagrees. You go to the headline if you disagree out of this. 33 people, dude. Never had that. Somebody raise your hand. Okay, I see this dude, Nick, he's raising his hand, disagreeing. What's up, dude? What's on your mind, son?

[Caller/Participant]

Yo, hello. Hello.

[Jay Dyer]

What's on your mind, dude?

[Caller/Participant]

The cult leader himself. I've been trying to get onto your show for three.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, it sounds like. It sounds like it's because you got a jitterbug. Get off of grandma's phone. Get your own Verizon plan.

[Caller/Participant]

I got two. Good question.

[Jay Dyer]

You're cutting out, so I don't know what you're saying. You waited three years and you called in with a damn jitterbug phone. Get off of Meemaw's Nokia, dude. Hello?

[Caller/Participant]

Can you hear me? Okay?

[Jay Dyer]

Yep. What's on your mind, son? Hello?

[Caller/Participant]

Hello?

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, you're gonna have to get question

[Caller/Participant]

about scripture and tradition.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Caller/Participant]

Andrew Wilson's debate.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, ask the question.

[Caller/Participant]

I'd prefer to talk about scripture and tradition.

[Jay Dyer]

Ask the question. Ask the question.

[Caller/Participant]

So if. Hold on, let me.

[Jay Dyer]

Come on, dude, you waited three years to call in and this is what's going on.

[Caller/Participant]

So if your ultimate tradition, if your ultimate authority is scripture and tradition, if one contradicts the other one, which one trumps.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, obviously in our paradigm that's not possible.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, I thought that's how you'd answer it. But in my paradigm, like you. So how about if we just think about it in a hypothetical. Can you do that or not?

[Jay Dyer]

If God doesn't exist, then what happens to your worldview? That's asking me the same type of question.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, obviously. Yeah, you can't go into a hypothetical that, that, yeah, you can't agree with. But, but from my paradigm, I don't want to preach on your platform.

[Jay Dyer]

So look, my response to this argument is always, yeah, but your own paradigm has within it paradigm level contradictions. Because scripture in many, many, many places directs you to extra scriptural tradition.

[Caller/Participant]

Can you explain that?

[Jay Dyer]

The opening statement and the. That Baptist guy debate that we just did. I did a 10 minute opening statement arguing that whole position

[Caller/Participant]

I've never listened to your stuff. The only thing I've listened to was and I don't. I don't really.

[Jay Dyer]

How are you been. Wait, how? You've been trying to call in for three years but you've never heard any of my stuff?

[Caller/Participant]

I've never even clicked on your stream once. This is the very first time.

[Jay Dyer]

I thought you said you've been trying to call in for. Forever.

[Caller/Participant]

Sorry, I listened to this stream. This is the very first time I've ever listened to.

[Jay Dyer]

You said earlier I've been trying to call in and you cut out.

[Caller/Participant]

Sorry, I mean out back in Australia.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. Regardless, I made a 10 minute opening statement arguing all of the places in scripture that direct you to extra scriptural tradition. For example, the canon itself is not in the scripture.

[Caller/Participant]

Yep, yep. Okay, so. So like you're saying the church needs to establish the canon kind of. Kind of argument.

[Jay Dyer]

I didn't say it needs to. I said that the argument is that the only way to know what the text authorship is are, and the only way to know that there is a completed canon is the testimony and tradition of the Church. You don't have a time machine. You don't have the autographa, right? Do you have autographa?

[Caller/Participant]

No.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so how do you know. How do you know what's down and

[Caller/Participant]

then God reveals it?

[Jay Dyer]

How do you know. How do you know which epistles Paul actually wrote and didn't write? Because there were a bunch of pseudepographa.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm not following. Sorry, I'm an amateur. This is amateur hour. I'm an amateur, so you're gonna have to talk to me like that.

[Jay Dyer]

How do you know which Paul. Which epistles Paul actually did and did not write?

[Caller/Participant]

Since.

[Jay Dyer]

Since there are many apostolic pseudepographa, which is like books that have the name of an apostle, you and I would

[Caller/Participant]

both agree with Paul's writings anyway.

[Jay Dyer]

Did you not hear the question?

[Caller/Participant]

Maybe I didn't, but I was thinking through it and saying even your position and my position as a reformer, that's a fallacy.

[Jay Dyer]

That has nothing to do with how you know. The fact that we agree has nothing to do with this question. That's literally irrelevancy.

[Caller/Participant]

I'm falling now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

How do you know which.

[Caller/Participant]

How do I know that Paul's writings is God's word?

[Jay Dyer]

No. Good God, man. I'm sorry, man. I'm trying really to be patient with people. Let me make the argument for the fourth time. Stop interrupting. Shush, please. How do you Know which ones are actually written by Paul and which ones aren't the fake Paul letters.

[Caller/Participant]

I'll have to think about that a bit. Bit more.

[Jay Dyer]

The only way I'm gonna answer it. I'm sorry, man, I'm. I'm gonna have to let you go. I'm gonna have to let you go because I'm gonna lose patience and everybody's gonna get mad and say that I'm mean. Pseudepographa are ancient texts in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th century that have the names of all kinds of people. The Gospel of Thomas, Proto Evangelium of James. Right. There are all kinds of them. There's a giant volume in the church Father set of Pseudepographa. How do you know which ones are authentic and which ones are not? Now you can say, ah, textual scholarship, that's not going to help you because Protestant textual scholars are a bunch of libs nowadays, for the most part, 95%. And they don't believe these texts anyway. So textual studies and textual scholars is not going to help you, as an individual Protestant today determine the authenticity of various epistles and letters. And guess what? You're gonna go read now ff Bruce's book. You're gonna go read Lee McDonald's book, Formation of the Christian Biblical Canon, or you're going to read the New Testament introduction by Vinken Hauser. And you're going to see all of these books admit the inescapable essential role of church tradition in the canon of scripture. And then you're going to realize that, oh, solar scripture is actually trump tuber. What's up, Trump tuber? Trump tuber. Unmute. Yeah, okay, I'll go to you. You don't have to keep emoting, other dude. Broke Lee, I will go to you. Trump tuber. Last chance. All right, you're gone. All right. Broke Lee is losing his mind. Where you at? I've never seen 30 people. This dude keeps thumbs. Thumbsing down. I don't even see him in the request to speak. Are. Do you want to talk? Are you just thumbing down, wasting everybody's time? Brokely hit request to speak and I'll. I'll bring you up. Since you can't stop emoting until then, we go to Joey. What's up, Joey? I don't even see Brokely in the list. What's up?

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, Jay. Big fan. I'd say more of a gnostic, but I had a quick question for you on objective morality. I. I don't think in an atheistic rule that you can ground it. But maybe the part I'm hung up on and maybe the part that you could help me out with is it seems that even in a theistic worldview, would it not be subject to God?

[Jay Dyer]

Would what what? Not be subject to objective morality.

[Caller/Participant]

So therefore it would still be subjective.

[Jay Dyer]

That's a category error because the fact that it's grounded in God because God is the absolute subject, would not make it subjective. No.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay. And then the other thing that I see a lot of atheists bring up too, is they'll start talking about biblical passages. So I know one that they often reference is, you know, the story of David and his concubines. And they'll say, hey, you know, like, do you believe that innocent people should be punished for the crimes of someone else? And then they go back to say, well, you know, how can God be good? Or just if he's doing these. In these biblical passages, how would you tackle that argument?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, the world is set up such that our actions can affect other people. In the orthodox paradigm, nobody is guilty even if they experience the effects of someone else's actions. So, for example, if a mom is pregnant and she's an alcoholic and she has a baby with fetal alcohol syndrome, we don't think that the baby is morally guilty. So that's something that distinguishes the orthodox view of guilt from the Protestant, classical, Latin, Roman Catholic perspective.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, but does this address, I guess, that concubine passage in the Bible? Because it sounds like what does the

[Jay Dyer]

concubine have to do with guilt?

[Caller/Participant]

Well, because I think in the, in the biblical passage, aren't they telling David, like, I guess from the perspective of God, that he's going to bring his wrath down upon him and, you know, that his son is going to lay with his concubines and it would seem like they're basically paying for the sins of David or my. Do I have that incorrect?

[Jay Dyer]

One of the. The consequences of David's sin is that, yeah, his, his wives and concubines would also be married off to other people.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay. Because they often, like, mention that, that really what that is is like, you know, it's. They're being raped in that passage.

[Jay Dyer]

It doesn't say that in that passage. Never says that.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, I think it, like, I guess they infer that from what it says.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, but. Well, being married off to other people does not necessarily mean that. But even if it did, I mean, if Gnosticism is true, the Gnostic paradigm is one of the most relativistic paradigms. So how could it Ground lot. How could it ground ethics better than the Christian paradigm?

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, no, I don't think it can. And that's why I'm moving more towards the. The Christian paradigm. So

[Jay Dyer]

those are fair questions, I would say. I mean, the whole reason Orthodox don't believe in the Protestant doctrine of original sin is because it's usually bound up with original guilt. So. Evan, what's up, man? Where's that dude that was going crazy with the emote button? Billy. Evan. And then, Billy,

[Caller/Participant]

can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Evan. And then, Billy. Evan, go.

[Caller/Participant]

Yeah, I can hear you. Hey, Jay, I was just wondering, what do you think is the role of spiritual experience in the Orthodox tradition as compared to, like, a charismatic?

[Jay Dyer]

We got a million videos critiquing charismaticism, so dude's calling from inside of a tornado. Billy, what's up?

[Caller/Participant]

Yo, Jay, can you hear me? Hey, bro, I'm. I'm an agreer, but. And I'm sure you've done videos on

[Jay Dyer]

this, and if so, just let me

[Caller/Participant]

know and I can go watch them. But my buddy was saying that, and

[Jay Dyer]

I don't really know how to respond to this. He said that when he looks into Orthodox churches, he doesn't see fruits of the spirit. And he tried to say that one

[Caller/Participant]

of them was like, he.

[Jay Dyer]

They don't believe. Like, we don't believe, obviously.

[Caller/Participant]

And gibberish, you know, barking dogs on the ground. And he thinks that speaking in gibberish tongues is biblical. So if you've done videos on them,

[Jay Dyer]

obviously, I don't want to wait. Yes, I have multiple videos showing that. Just look up all the charismaticism refuted, Pentecostalism refuted videos, especially the ones that we did with this whole nonsense idea of gibberish. There's no tongues of gibberish. Raheemski, what's up? It's all known languages. That's all there is. Raheemski, what's on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

Hey, sorry, I just forgot to ask my first partner, so I'm back. But I was re. Watching your debate that you had on Fresh and Fit, and I was, like, thinking to myself, what is, like, the optimal strategy to get ancient church perspective out there? And I. I think you're gonna disagree with this, but I. I fervently believe that you and Sam together are like an unbeatable combo. I would. I would say the same about. I would say the same about Andrew Wilson as well, but he doesn't really debate theology that much, and. And Sam's problem is he doesn't know Catholic theology that much, but he's excellent at destroying Islam and answering like, yeah, but there is.

[Jay Dyer]

There is no. There is no apostolic perspective that. That doesn't exist. That's all the different, quote, apostolic churches.

[Caller/Participant]

Fair enough. I'll concede that point. But I'm just saying I'm thinking optimally, like, is it possible to squash that beef? Because I. I watch both of you vehemently.

[Jay Dyer]

Again, the problem is not whether or not it's possible to collaborate with those people. Of course you can. It's possible to collaborate with people, but it's also necessary for us on our side to say, we disagree with this. We do not agree with this. And if Sam Shamoon is really open to being, teaching, like, taught, like he always says he's not. That's the problem. He always says, I don't care if you call me heretic. Fine, let's work together. But the problem is that. That you will then turn around and do all of the things that we say are not possible on our paradigm. So he's not able to actually do that, even though he often says, we need to work together. Oh, guys, I'm. I don't have a problem with Jay. I want to work. Well, if you don't have a problem with me, then why did you call me queerbait and all these names and all this nonsense just losing your mind? Because all I did was ask if you want to have a discussion on the Essence intersection. That's all it took. And this guy is so, like, bipolar that if you ask him something in private messages when he's live streaming, somehow that means you're working with the devil. The devil has taken you over to manifest to disrupt his live stream. You don't have the ability to turn your notifications off. Like, it's just. No, it's not. He. Until Sam Shamoon figures out that. That it's not everyone else that has an issue. And that doesn't mean. I'm saying David Wood is not a loon. I mean, it's not just David Wood, though. It's like, why is it that everybody who interacts with is so emotional and so bipolar that you don't know which Sam you're gonna get? Are you gonna get the Sam that supposedly loves you, or are you gonna get the Sam that has a meltdown and is. Is having his PMS period that week? So it's like, you can't. You can't deal with a person who is unstable. I don't want him to be unstable. I want him to do well. But you can't do well in our view, without being in the Church. Being in the church is not. I'm going to make up Apostolic Christianity is my ecclesia. It's a made up ecclesiology. I mean, now he might could argue that. Well, it's not made up because the Roman Church says this, but the Roman Church also says that Vatican ii. According to Vatican ii, that Allah is the same God as the Christians. So. Yeah, see, here's the thing. If you ever criticize Sam Shamoon, it's obviously that. It's obvious that you're manifesting. It's just silly. It's like this. What. What am I, man? I'm demonically. I mean, why would he want to work with people that are demonically possessed? It doesn't make any sense. Cr. What's up? I mean, the guy said he hopes the ortho bros die. I mean, he's. He's. He's just as psychotic as David Wood. CR what's up?

[Caller/Participant]

Yojadar Emperor Wigs Antium. Hail.

[Jay Dyer]

What's up?

[Caller/Participant]

So, hey, I wanted to ask you a question. Hopefully it's a little bit of a refresher. You know Roman Polanski movie the Ninth Gate. Have you talked about that before?

[Jay Dyer]

Yep, and we're about to redo it. We just watched it last night.

[Caller/Participant]

Oh, dude, I love that movie. Not because it's, you know.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I have a whole chapter in my second book on it.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, that's. That's amazing. Yeah, just. And Franklin Jell in it is amazing. And also just real quick shout out to Jim Bob. He's been crushing on the streams lately. So that's it. Thank you.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, I'm not. Wouldn't that I ever. I don't. I'm not demanding Sam Shamoon repent to me. I'm not doing like Ruslan's doing. Ruslan did that as a way to not have a debate. After saying he would debate. Said it four times. He would debate. And then demands that I publicly repent. Dude, all these people in the sphere just act like absolute. Just lunatic gay people. This whole sphere is just. It's just a bunch of lunatic gays, dude. And I'm over here. Like, let's just do a formal debate. Oh, and everyone loses their mind. Who disagrees? You go ahead. Line. A lot of. There was 30 people in here. John, what's up? I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what you guys are not getting what's going on. It's not an ideological online battle with Islam that is happening. But that's not really what's happening. That's just a part of the picture. It's a spiritual battle and you can't do this spiritual battle outside of the church. That's. I mean we're just being consistent with the orthodox perspective. We have to say that people that don't say that are not being honest and consistent with the position. And it doesn't mean that you can't collab with them. Again, people don't understand. The collaborations are fine because now people are getting exposed to orthodox positions. They're getting exposed and they're no longer under the umbrella of mere ignorance. And after being exposed to it for many years, if they remain obstinate, that's what makes a person a heretic. It's not just being wrong. Heresy isn't an intellectual problem problem first and foremost. It's a spiritual problem of pride. Once a person then gets exposed to these things, you can either have some humility and be willing to learn, be willing to be wrong, or you triple down and say I don't care. I'm going to hate them and oppose them at all costs and I'm going to start promoting all the people that oppose them. That's why there's opposition to God Logic. God logic is sending people to messianic synagogues. Nobody even noticed this until after all this kerfuffle happened happen. Now we're noticing that it's worse than we thought. So we have to be opposed to that. It's not a popularity contest. It's not who's the coolest and nicest on the Internet. You have to just tell the truth. It's that simple. John, I'm you,

[Caller/Participant]

right?

[Jay Dyer]

What's on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

Well, I've got a couple of questions I want to look question first of all, I don't know have you seen this video where Andrew just joins in a call and starts asking.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't even know what you're saying. I have no idea what you're even saying. Who.

[Caller/Participant]

So Andrew Wilson just joined the live stream. I don't even know who the other people's are. It was JP on the uncut.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I don't follow their lives just

[Caller/Participant]

started asking David with all these questions about well his positions on.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah, we covered all that last night or the last stream was. We live streamed that as was happening. Russell, what's up? Russell, unmute.

[Caller/Participant]

Can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, okay.

[Caller/Participant]

Jay, hi.

I got a question. Actually two questions.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, just what's the question?

[Caller/Participant]

Okay. When Jesus pardoned the thief that was next to him, how come, you know, he didn't really believe in the death burial of Christ? How is it that he was saved? That's one question.

[Jay Dyer]

Everybody before the resurrection is saved in the exact same way by grace, through faith in the coming Messiah. So on the cross, he repented and was baptized by blood. So we believe in baptism of blood and baptism of desire. So he was baptized. He was baptized on the cross and believed in the message of the Messiah as far as he understood, just like anybody in the Old Testament, be it Abraham or Isaiah or whoever.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay, the other question I had was, when Christ was actually incarnated, was he actually then physically joined with that body for all eternity?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. That's the incarnation.

[Caller/Participant]

Okay.

All right, now where would I go? I. I believe you guys. Call it catacombs or. Or when somebody wants to learn more about.

[Jay Dyer]

Right. So, yeah, when you go to an Orthodox church, you will inquire, and that will be a time period. And so just ask the priest or the catechist, and then you would become a catechumen. So usually that's a one to three year period. So that happens at any canonical Orthodox church, but I would recommend testing all and checking all the ones that are near you. All right. This one dude, I don't know why he keeps taking over the emojis here. If you don't hop on, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna boot you because you're getting on my nerves. He's probably just trying to emote to do that on purpose. So, Brokey, do you want to come on broke life, whatever your name is. If you don't come on, I'm gonna immediately boo you because this is getting on my nerves. Okay, we got still, like, 25 people. Damien, what's up, dude?

[Caller/Participant]

Damien, what's up, wigger? How's it doing?

[Jay Dyer]

What you got on your mind?

[Caller/Participant]

Yo, fool, I just want to tell you, like, dude, all this Pacifico, dude, during my baptism, dog. Feel the whole tub, dog. I'm telling you.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm telling you, dude, I believe you, bro. Dude, like, if I thought I was. If I thought you was lying. Dude, if I thought you was lying, you wouldn't even be on here. Grifo, what's up, Grifo? Trifo, what's up? I can't believe y' all wait all this time and then you only have your mics turned on. Are you there? Well, good job, dude. You just waited the whole time for nothing. Where is the dude that is just flipping out? Tom Elliott, what's up?

[Caller/Participant]

On behalf of this is Alex Jones tuning in live.

[Jay Dyer]

What's up, Alex? What's on your mind? What's on your mind, Alex?

[Caller/Participant]

So I'm super excited to announce I'm gonna be converting to orthodoxy. Athens. Energy, distinction, really makes sense.

[Jay Dyer]

Thank you, man. Appreciate that. We got Alex on the line. Aquayo. Animo. What's up, dude? I'm about to go to the little girls room and go tt here in a minute, man. I've been drinking all this.