Pt 1 Doug Wilson / Heschmeyer Review, Christian Zionism Debate, CrAZY PENTECOSTALS, CULTS REFUTED

Summary

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Jay's Analysis — Episode Summary

Episode: Pt 1 Doug Wilson / Heschmeyer Review, Christian Zionism Debate, CrAZY PENTECOSTALS, CULTS REFUTED
Date: April 9, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer

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Episode Overview

This wide-ranging episode of Jay Dyer’s "Jay's Analysis" features classic irreverent satire, philosophical reasoning, and Orthodox apologetics. Jay hosts a lively open call-in forum, fielding questions on Christian Zionism, cults, "crazy Pentecostals," and apologetics—especially focused on differences between Orthodoxy and Protestantism (with repeated discussions of conversion). The episode critically examines mega-church culture, the flaws of charismatic movements, and religious cults, as well as offering practical theological advice for inquirers. Jay’s trademark comedic riffs, soundbites, voices, and banter with callers are present throughout.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Satirical Critique of Cults and Charismatic Movements

• Musical parody: The episode opens after ads with “Mormon Space Wives,” lampooning LDS doctrine (“God the father has a body, it's a very toe body… Magic underwear feeling right…” [03:12]), and moves quickly into skits mocking cult leader behavior.
• Cult leader characteristics:
  [04:00] “Marks and traits of the cult guru: They do not typically like you doing well… They are energy vampires.”
  • Jay highlights the hypocrisy of cult leaders, referencing things like communal living, while leaders enjoy luxury (“communal living… the guru who's driving around in a freaking Rolls Royce” [04:26]).

2. Black History Parody & Cultural Commentary

• A musical interlude humorously references “Black kings, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion” [06:16], parodying pop culture obsessions with heritage.
• Jay follows up with off-the-cuff riffs about exaggerated legendary histories (“King Lebanon… not a white guy… you see his whole lineage of kings. Black kings, black bishops…” [06:56]).

3. Open Forum: Listener Q&A and Conversion Journeys

Jay repeatedly opens the floor to listeners, many of whom share their backgrounds (Romanian Pentecostal, former atheists, etc.), often with technical difficulties and comic asides about muting.

• Example:
  [16:20] Jay: “I'm retiring from Internet yapping, and I'm now a mumble rapper. I'm sorry. I failed to unmute. I will never live this down.”

4. Christian Zionism, Politics, and Cynicism

• A listener expresses concern about the US supporting Israel, especially in potential escalations against Iran, questioning Christian Zionism:
  • [17:24] “I've been following you since…Tragedy and Hope days, Jay… always on the right track… all these Zionists, they have an agenda with this whole Iran thing and it's in complete opposition to our [interests]… Diesel's $8 a gallon…Bombing Iran, who's no threat to us at all…this is crazy.”
• Jay responds with characteristic sardonic humor:
  • [18:46] “Well, listen, you're saying if we could get gas down one to two bucks, is that not worth a couple bombs going off?…How dare you put human lives above the GDP?”

5. Scriptural Apologetics: OT “Grape” (Rape) Law & Refuting Muslim Objections

• Listeners and Jay clarify misrepresentations of Deuteronomy 22, often cited by Muslim apologists against the Bible.
  • [20:31] Caller explains Deuteronomy 22:28-29 is about premarital sex, not rape, citing Hebrew word tafas and the parallel in Exodus 22:16 (supported by the same word’s use in Genesis 39 regarding Joseph).
  • [25:20] “If you go to the Quran…chapter four, verse 24…they were taking over villages… able to take married women captive and sleep with them…So that's actually grape [rape].”
  • Jay summarizes: [25:58] “It’s projection…double standard…appreciate that, that was really good.”

6. Advice for Converts, Inter-Church Dialogue, and Toward Orthodoxy

• Listeners seek guidance for themselves or family (e.g., Lutheran wife, no Orthodox church nearby, dealing with Protestant pastors’ objections).
• Jay’s approach is conciliatory, emphasizing relationship over debate:
  • [45:31] “Maybe ask [the pastor] to read something like Rock and Sand by Father Josiah Trenham, rather than trying to do a theological point-by-point debate…It's not as aggressive…”

7. The Allure/Danger of “Dark Arts,” Popular Culture, & Orthodoxy’s Approach

• Question about fascination with horror, occult, and secular pop culture after reading Seraphim Rose’s "Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future" (28:00-35:00).
• Jay’s nuanced reply, highlighting monastic strictness vs. lay life:
  • [31:15] “Father Seraphim Rose was a monastic…some people are called to that…but I don't think everybody is called to completely leave culture and society…If you're new to these things…it might be necessary…to fast from those things…eventually mature out of it…it's not an issue of the things themselves being evil, it's more…about whether we're allowing those things to dominate our lives.”
• [34:46] “As you get older, you realize this shit's nerdy dude. This is for nerds that can't get laid. And they're trying to create a cult to touch butts.”

8. Mega-Church and Charismatic Culture Lampooned

Jay lampoons mega-church and “circus of power” Christianity with a recurring Pastor Randy Balls sketch ([49:04]–[51:55]), describing “theme parks based around Michael Jackson’s Neverland” and “puppet ministries that rap.”

• [51:19] “Not only do we teach family skills, like access and dark web, but also old people how to distinguish between a mouse and a mouse.”

9. Psychological Warfare, Cultural Sexualization, “Trans” as Weaponized Ideology

• Callers discuss how Latin music and culture has been sexualized as a form of cultural/psychological warfare.
  • [56:44] Jay: “This has been well-studied in psychological warfare…these are ancient techniques…Plato talks about it…Tavistock Institute…full spectrum dominance…to debase people and mess up who they are through their gender.”
  • [99:00] “Trans stuff is warfare. That’s a form of genocidal warfare.”

10. Apologetics on Cults/Charismatic Groups & the Argument for No New “Prophets”

• Caller asks about Seventh-Day Adventism. Jay connects Ellen G. White with charismatic cult phenomena and provides his “kill shot” argument against all new revelatory cults:
  • [103:25] “Every cult or group like that…can be ended by the argument there is no new public divine revelation…If there’s no new prophets, that cuts out all these goobers…Kills Islam, Mormonism, SDAs.”

11. Approaching Secular Culture as Orthodox

• Advice for navigating concerts or media with anti-Christian themes:
  • [82:15] “You’re gonna encounter these things in the world, right? You can’t get away from it unless you want to go the route of monastic life…but it’s not the things that are the problem, it’s us that’s the problem…and not being enslaved to any of those things.”
  • [83:50] “Anything can be kind of an idol…it’s not just movies or culture.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jay on Cults:
  “Marks and traits of the cult guru: they do not typically like you doing well…They are energy vampires.” (04:00)

• Jay on Christian Zionism:
  “Well, listen…you’re saying if we could get gas down one or two bucks, is that not worth a couple bombs going off? You’re trying to put human lives above the GDP?” (18:46)

• On Error in Muslim Apologetics:
  [21:09] Caller: “…the root word in Deuteronomy 22:28 is tafas…same word used in Genesis 39 when the Pharaoh’s wife tempts Joseph…any Muhammadan would ever say she ‘graped’ him? No, but it’s the exact same word.”

• On Conversion Advice:
  “Maybe ask [your pastor] to read…something like Rock and Sand…rather than trying to…debate... That way you’re not arguing with your pastor and he’s not going to get mad at you.” (45:31)

• On Pop Culture and the Occult:
  “As you get older, you realize this shit’s nerdy dude. This is for nerds that can’t get laid. And they’re trying to create a cult to touch butts. Okay. I’m serious. Gurus are just trying to get laid, dude.” (34:46)

• Mega-Church Satire:
  “We’re also the only church…with a theme park based around Michael Jackson’s Never Never Land… water slide that takes you directly from the sanctuary to the filth pool…” (51:29)

• Cultural Sexualization as Warfare:
  “These are all known strategies of psychological warfare…sexual warfare, cultural warfare…Psychological warfare, of sexual warfare, of cultural warfare. People think of warfare as tanks…that’s kinetic warfare. Warfare is total, hence the Pentagon term ‘full spectrum dominance.’” (56:44)

• On Apologetic Kill Shot:
  “Every cult or group like that…can be ended by the argument there is no new public divine revelation…If there’s no new prophets, that cuts out all these goobers.” (103:25)

• Advice on Secular Music:
  “It’s not wrong to go to a secular concert…it’s not the things that are the problem, it’s us that’s the problem and not being enslaved to any of those things…a lifelong process.” (82:15)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Satirical "Mormon Space Wives": 00:48–03:12
• Cult Leader Traits & Satire: 03:12–04:49
• Black kings parody: 06:16–07:24
• Christian Zionism/Pentecostal caller: 16:35–18:46
• Refuting Deuteronomy “rape” claims: 20:01–25:58
• Orthodox conversion advice / Pastoral dialogue: 43:04–45:31
• Dark arts, occult, and pop culture — how to navigate: 28:13–35:00
• Mega-church, Randy Balls sketch: 49:04–51:55
• Sexualization as psychological warfare: 56:44–61:09
• The ultimate apologetics “kill shot” (no new revelation): 103:25–105:50
• Advice on secular music: 81:40–83:50

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Tone & Language

Jay’s tone is witty, irreverent, and approachable, blending in-depth apologetics with parody, dark comedy, and open camaraderie. He routinely oscillates between serious advice for inquirers/converts and sharp satire skewering Protestant megachurch and cult culture. The episode keeps a fast pace with plenty of anecdotes, voice impressions, and audience interaction.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you haven’t listened to the podcast, expect a blend of comedic takes on religious and political absurdities, robust Orthodox Christian apologetics, and practical advice for those exploring tradition or facing questions about conversion. Jay is passionate about exposing cultic manipulation, the hollowness of charismatic/megachurch entertain-o-tainment, and the psychological warfare of modern culture, yet he always brings it back to historic, reasoned Orthodoxy with a heavy dose of self-deprecating humor.

This episode is a wild ride: part serious apologetics, part roast of American spiritual confusion. If you’re considering Orthodoxy, questioning cults or charismatic Christianity, or just want a smart/funny take on religion’s intersection with culture and politics, you’ll find lots to chew on.

Transcript

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And that became the renaissance era. Ding dong dong. Speaking in tongues. Right now we need an interpreter. Who's got the gift of interpreters? Interpretations. Welcome, everybody. It's open forum. I've recovered from my two day hangover from three shots. I'm joking. I didn't have a hangover. Well, I. You know what? I did feel a little rough. I had 3 shots at the pre 200k party, as you guys know. And I would say I woke up feeling a little sore. A little sore, but not too bad. We are going to open it up. We are going to get into catching up on what y' all want to talk about. See, maybe what's in the news. What's even in the news? I don't know. I haven't even really been following the news. I've been too busy. Now again, everybody keeps asking, when is Jesse lee peterson dropping? It's about. I'd say a week from now. And then john kiriakou will also drop about a week from now. So both of those around the same time. If you didn't see it, Jamie's interview with jamie Kennedy, it just went up and that was a hoot. We had a similar real moth crisis as we had on my podcast. The moth came back and terrorized Jamie Kennedy. No, don't kill it, don't kill it, don't kill it. And they had a, a hoot. I don't know what else to say. A riot, riotous podcast. It just went up six hours ago. If you didn't see Jamie and Jamie, go check it out. It's, it's fun. People always get really serious about. How dare Jamie Kennedy say that you shouldn't joke around. He's being a dick now. That's the way he trolls you. He kind of does a little bit of Jesse Lee Peterson style trolling, so you gotta expect that. Right? So he does this on purpose. Like he's all serious and if you do an impression, he'll be like, stop joking. And then you'll stop and then he'll start joking. So that's just the way he jokes around it and is silly on his podcast. But people are taking it too seriously. Why does he tell people to stop joking? Stop doing impressions?

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Dude, he's being a dick.

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He's just being goofy, dude. It's entertainment, man. Everybody's just entertaining, just being silly, being silly Billies, as Sam Hyde would say. Now the other thing that happened was Kirp the Derp, Kurt Metzger posted our podcast and it was wild. It was. I, I keep saying Kurt Metzger's podcast is schizophrenia at 100 miles an hour on acid. That's what it is. So we did. How long do we talk anyway? It just went out yesterday. We got good viewage there. 40,000 views in one day. That's pretty good for a comedy podcast. Very well received for the most part. Couple people hated my impression. Just hate me. Just, just hate him. I hate this man because he does an impression. Although they admitted that my Jordan Peterson was superior even to Kyle Dungan's. Like the chat was unanimous. Now I don't do it as good as Jim Bob, but I have worked on my Peterson and I have worked on my Donald Trump and even the comedians are blown away by my Donald Trump. So of course now everybody has a Trump impression. But I think mine's pretty good. Of, of. I've tweaked it. I've gotten the Peterson a little better. So let's see who's up first here. We got Jquan. What's up, my brother? What's up, my black queen? Jquan. Yo, ceiling chirper is interfering with your Internet.

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I can't hear you.

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That's cuz your ceiling chirper need to turn the volume down on their ceiling chirper. Wigo. We can't hear you. Speak up. That's amazing. Unmute. Dude, you're muted.

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What the heck?

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Look, I came ready with a sipping jug. Just going to sit here and sip till he figures it out. Yeah, but is my Jordan Peterson better than Kyle Dunning? And I'm not saying I'm funnier than Kyle Dunn. I'm just saying the impression everyone in the chat over here at Kurt's podcast was a grand. Jquan, you want to unmute or not? What are you doing? Okay. He don't know how to work. He don't know how to work the damn telephone. Parker, what's up? Parker Lewis. Can't lose. Actually DM'd with Parker Lewis last year. Two years ago. That was pretty wild. We talked about doing an interview. I don't know if he still wants to, but believe it or not, Parker Lewis has read Tragic and Hope. That impressed me. Yes, that Parker Lewis. What's up, dog? I'm you. Did I wait too long? Everybody's mad at me. We had some issues, okay? First of all, when I was about to do the stream, I had too much out and I got super nauseous. So I laid in the bathtub and I got super hot and sweaty, and that made me more nauseous. And then we had a little issue with discord where we was trying to solve some drama and reconcile with some people, and that all went fantastic. So thank God for that. But I guess I ran all y' all off. Nobody. Y' all don't like me no more because I was late. But hey, reconciling with somebody's more important than a live stream. But everything was cool. Drunk surfer. What's up, dog? My allergies are hellacious today. Everybody be sure and check out the curp. I got derped with Kurt over here on the podcast. Oh, you're squeaking. Why you squeaking at. Why you squeaking them? All right, well, I. I think that's a. That's a good thing, dog. Over here squeaking at me. Crazy ass surfing, man. Everybody's just going insane. Did everybody go insane when I wasn't streaming for two days? You all just lost your minds. What the hell? Will? What's up, dude? Where there's a Will, there's a way. Where there's a whip, there's a way. Shout out to the old hobbit cartoon. Who remembers that? I'm mute, dude. I'm mute. Almost start mumble rapping if you don't unmute. The hell's wrong with y' all cuz? Nobody can work this thing. Is. Is the mic not on? Can y' all not hear me? Can y' all hear me? Somebody raise their hand. I bet I didn't turn on my damn microphone, dude. I bet it's my fault. Dude, is this all gonna be my fault? Is my mic not on? Oh, my goodness. I'll be ding. Dang. I didn't turn my freaking mic on, and that's gonna shut the whole thing down. On it. We're gonna have to start another one. Or maybe Reconnect will work. Let's see if Reconnect works. It works. I'm the one that needed to unmute. Physician, heal thyself. Physician, heal thyself. Because you did not have your microphone unmuted. I'm the hypocrite. I got busted. I'm so sorry. Unmute, y'.

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Oh, hey, thanks. Hey, thanks for having me on, Jay. Boy, oh, boy. What a. What a whirlwind of. Whirlwind of a few days here.

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Okay, like what?

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I've never been so thankful that I guess they say Trump does the taco, but, boy, oh, boy. I mean, I couldn't even sleep. I thought Mark Levin was talking about using nukes. And, I mean, this is crazy.

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So. Oh, so you don't. You're talking politics. So what. What's. What's crazy? What's on your. What's wrong. What's wrong with nuke?

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And

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What's. What's the problem?

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No, you're probably right. You know, there are a bunch of, you know, ignorant, illiterate, I guess, you know, sand people. So you're probably right.

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Is that like Star wars, the sand people?

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It's. You know, but I've been following you since the, you know, covering the tragedy and hope days, Jay. And, you know, you've always been on the right track, and. And I'm with you, and I sort of guys supported Trump for a long time. I thought, oh, maybe this is different, you know, as we've always fallen for over the years. But. And then you think, oh, well, maybe we could overlook, you know, his, his support for Israel and maybe we'll get some positive things out of this administration. But it always seems to turn out like, yeah, actually, we can overlook that. You know, we just can't. And then, you know, all, all these, you know, Zionists, they just, they have an agenda with this whole Iran thing and it's in complete opposition to our. You know, I drive a truck for a living. These. I'm in California. Diesel's $8 a gallon.

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Yeah, I was just there. I know. I was just there.

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Bombing Iran, who's no threat to us at all. This is. Persia is in any way in American's interest. And, and they just wanted. They're just seething that we had a ceasefire. And then, you know, Israel goes and keeps doing it. You know, they want to break the ceasefire. They're assassinating people. But it's crazy. I'm sorry to rant.

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It's just fine.

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It's driving me nuts, Jay.

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Well, listen, you're saying that if we could get gas down, at least one to two bucks, is that not worth a couple of bombs going off? Come on now. You trying to put human life. You're trying to put human lives above. No, you're trying to put human lives above the gdp. I'm about to go OPP on your ass at full CCP and AOC on your ass, not even caring about the economy. How dare you? How dare you. How dare you. That's Bill Clinton.

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Hey, can you hear me?

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Yes, sir.

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Hey, how's it going, Jay?

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Everybody drunk at night? Is everybody drunk on a Wednesday night?

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Yeah, that. That guy was actually.

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Yeah, I'm just drawing. You sound drunk too, boy. You drunk too, son? Get off that Franzia. Put that Bartles and James wine cooler down, boy.

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Nah, but I wanted to address something that happened a couple of days ago about some Muslims coming onto the. To the stream. Okay. We're saying that Deuteronomy 22. Yes, it's actually about.

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Great grape. Yeah, right.

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I was going to say that. I actually don't believe it's about grape.

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No, it's not. I just didn't get to that. You're right. I just didn't get to it.

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Oh, yeah. So if you look at a parallel verse, it's Exodus 22:16. And it actually says that it's about sex before marriage. Correct. And it's the same punishment. The exact same punishment. Another thing, too.

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Now, hold on, hold on. This is a great point. Just for those that don't know. Let me catch them up. So when those Muslims called in, they wanted to talk about Deuteronomy. They're trying to say that it was legal to grape, and that's not what it's about. So. And then here he's pointing out the parallel passage that you pay the dowry if you violate a girl before marriage.

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Right. So if you look at Exodus 22:16.

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Yes. Pulled up.

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I got it up here, and I see you have it up. It's the exact same punishment, and it's actually about sex before marriage. So that's nothing to do with.

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Great, thank you.

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Another point is, I know we accept the. We do the Greek translation, but if you look at the Hebrew translation, the root word in Deuteronomy 22:28 is toughos. That same word is used in. I believe it's Genesis 32:9, if I'm not mistaken. And it's when the Pharaoh's wife tempts Joseph. Now, would any of these dumb Muslims say, hey, the Pharaoh's wife raped Joseph? Would any of you say that? No, but it's the exact same word.

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And it's a Deuteronomy. Which text? I got Deuteronomy 22 up. Which text?

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Oh, I was gonna. The. The verse about the Pharaoh's wife.

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No, no, you said Deuteronomy 22. The laws of sexual morality.

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29. They were saying. That's about.

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Yeah, I'm just going to that one. First is now, notice the context of the chapter is the laws of sexual morality in terms of marriage. Right. So we're not talking about warfare grape here. And it says. You said 20 what? To 28.

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So it's 22. Deuteronomy 22:28, 29. That's the exact same verse as Exodus 22:16. It's just that Protestant translators translated it terribly because. I don't know why, but it's a terrible. I understand some translations, like the NLT actually doesn't say grape. It says sex before marriage.

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Well, yeah. So here the new King James says, if a man finds a young woman who's a virgin and she is not betrayed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, the man who lay with her shall give the woman 50. Woman's father 50 shekels. And so you're saying that the word there is the same in which passage of Genesis?

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So in Hebrew. In. In the Hebrew.

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I understand, right. In the Hebrew text, the.

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The root word is tafas.

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Huh. And it's in it's the seas.

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Right, that word. Right. That word is in Genesis 32. Nine, if I'm not mistaken. And that's when the Pharaoh. Pharaoh's wife. I could be wrong, but I would have to find it. But I think it's Genesis 32. 9. And she entices Joseph to sleep with her. Now would any of these Muhammadans say, oh, she graped them?

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Would have to be 42 because the 30s is Jacob. So let's see if it's 42. 9.

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Hold on, let me find it because a little bit. Aren't we all spit? Let me find it for you. I'm sorry about that.

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That's okay. It's maybe 39 because 40 is when he's in prison.

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Hold on. Finding it right now because I had to go look, it's 39. Yes, it's 39. It's Genesis 39. That's when he's enticed. And she asked, she asked them three times to sleep with him. The third time he ran away and then she lied on him. The third time is when the Hebrew word tafas is used. And if you go to. I think it's Bible Hub. If you go to Bible Hub, the same root word is used and it's when he runs away. So no, no Muhammadan would ever say, yeah, she graped him. Nobody would ever say that. So it's completely false.

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Yep, I'm looking at it right now. And I went to the new living translation to see how they worded it. Says she came and grabbed him by his cloak, come sleep with me. And he ran away, tore himself away and left the cloak in her hand.

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Exactly. So once again, with any Muhammadan who. And by the way, if they want to pull that same game, if you go to the Quran and you look up chapter four, verse 24, at the time that they were taking over, that they were taking over villages, they were actually able to take married women captive and sleep with them. Now what woman in their right mind who's already married and to their husband would allow any man to have sex with them? So that's actually great. They're allowed to grape in there.

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Exactly. They're. They're. It's. Yeah, it's a double. Like it's. Well, it's just projection. Thank you. Appreciate that. Because it's. Exactly. Appreciate that. That was really good. And I, and, and I was on the road. I didn't have the Bible in front of me, so I was having to talk on the fly. What I remembered from those passages when The Muslims called in, so. But thank you for that. Great comments. Seth. What's up, man? I'm you. By the way. They just had 250 received into an Orthodox church in Britain. So it's, it's nice to see these numbers growing here. And then we had this other thing that Cleave posted. I'm not familiar with this channel, Lungs of Faith. I've not heard of him, but it looks like a decent sized channel. 71,000 on YouTube and it says I'm now Orthodox. I started this channel Roman Catholic. I started getting into history over the last several months. Some of you may know I've not been speaking much. I know he says I noticed a shift and he says I was received into Orthodox church so many years to Lungs of Faith. Glad to that the Roman Catholics are beginning to, you know, we haven't seen a high profile Roman Catholic in a while move in our direction. So I'm glad to see that. It seems like, you know, I want to say 2017 to 2020, it was a lot of Roman Catholics converting and then I don't know what happened, but just something happened where they all just doubled down and we started seeing more and more Protestants in the last four or five years, in my experience, just sort of dwarfing the Roman Catholics in terms of who was becoming Orthodox.

[A]

But.

[B]

What's up, man? You want to unmute? Seth.

[A]

Hey, what's up, Jay?

[B]

What's on your mind, dog?

[A]

Can you hear me?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

So this is not a debate question, but something I've been thinking about lately a lot is I just finished reading Seraphim Rose, Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future.

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Jamie is reading that right now, by the way. And to remind you guys, I did do a podcast on that entire book about nine years ago, so. And I did a talk on nihilism roots of modern revolution as well. So if you're, if you're interested in Orthodoxy and religion in the future, my podcast on it, which it's kind of a, it's a, it's a classic, I would say on this channel. It's been something that people have gone to for a while. Be sure and check that out. Go ahead. Sorry.

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No, you're good.

[B]

Yeah, it was really good.

[A]

I mean, I'm kind of new to exploring Orthodoxy. My buddy, my buddy and I both grew up Baptist and just kind of exploring things. But anyway, to get to my question, something I've been struggling with a lot lately as just as a Christian in general is just a real, like, I really like. I love horror movies. I really love learning about, like, the occult and stuff like that. Super interested in that, like, you know, topic of things that are generally considered evil and satanic. But obviously, like, I have a draw to that kind of stuff to learn about it just as a job.

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It's because you're, you're. It's because you're a pure blood. You're not a Muggle.

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That's a good way to put it.

[B]

But watch out because. But watch out because Dumbledore just wants to touch your butt, dude. It's all a scam because it turns out J.K. rowling. J.K. rowling? Yeah.

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J.K. baptist friends.

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J.K. rowling did a trick on us. She tricked us all. She reverse engineered and made him reverse gay. Do you know, you know about, you know what I'm talking about, right?

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Yeah. Well, she's, she's not getting a lot of love these days from either.

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Well, now she might as well just get. She might as well just say, okay, fine, Dumbledore was never actually gay. I just said that to be fake and gay. She really should go back. I agree. Right. So. I'm sorry, go ahead, finish your question. So you're into. You're a wizard. So tell us what.

[A]

I really enjoy the dark arts. And I, I don't want to feel bad about it, but I'm also like, you know, I was after reading Sarah from Zero book, he kind of mentions

[B]

in one of the parts where he's

[A]

talking about like UFOs and like Marvel. He's basically referencing Marvel movies, like superheroes and stuff like that. And he makes mention at one part in the book.

[B]

I don't have it on me right

[A]

now, but he makes mention that, like, this is something that we shouldn't be exposing ourselves to. And obviously with you having written Esoteric Hollywood, like, what, third edition now, and, you know, obviously knowing a ton about this stuff and also like being close to the Lord and like seeking after him. I'm wondering just like how you balance that and what your perspective is on

[B]

exposing yourself to these things and versus

[A]

like kind of shielding yourself from it. I don't know. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah. So I would say first of all, Father Seven Rose was a monastic. Monasticism is typically a little more rigorous when it comes to what they consider, you know, worth exposing yourself to. And so, you know, he used to be really into the art scene and that kind of stuff and the, you know, the, the California scene. And so for him, I think it was, it was something that he felt he needed to do to Totally sort of fast and get away from all that stuff. But I don't think everybody is called to completely leave culture and society. Some people are called to that. So I would say remember that when, when monastics are giving their talks, it's usually in the context of monasticism. And this is why, for example, in Rokor there are several jurisdictions that actually say, don't go if you're married, don't go to monastics and, and monasteries for confession and for spiritual guidance. Because they're not in the married life. They're not going to be the right people to guide you typically in that. That's why typically you need a married priest. So then on top of that, I would say there's a, there's a proper time and a place for everything. Especially if you're like, if you're new to these things and this is something that's had a hold on you, it might be necessary for you to take some time off from those things because they have a hold on you. And so I would. And again, this is just. I don't really give out spiritual advice, but my personal opinion would be, I remember my 20s, I was interested in esoteric stuff and I never practiced the dork orts, but I did find it interesting at one point. But I eventually I discovered it's kind of a delusion because you're not really, you don't really have these powers. You're not Harry Potter. So it's also, I think, a maturity issue. So you'll kind of probably mature out of some of that stuff and. But I would say that if you're new to it, usually what happens is it might be a good time to fast from these types of things and then what will happen is you can come back to those things later when they don't really have a hold on you. Right. So more so rather than the movies themselves being evil, although many movies nowadays are just straight up propaganda and evil, and I think Marvel movies typically suck. But yeah, I think it's not an issue of the things themselves being evil. It's more of an issue of like whether we're allowing those things to kind of dominate our lives. So the arts are good. The arts are, you know, part of culture and society. Nothing is. There's nothing inherently evil. It's all just about whether or not we have the self discipline to not be ruled by those things and sort of inflamed by them. So again, that that will partly depend on like your age, your maturity level. Maturity, you know, if you're new to coming, coming into the church. My allergies drive me crazy today.

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Yeah, I feel like I. It's more of a. It's more of just something I'm interested in and it definitely does kind of take hold on me a little bit where I'm like, that's all I'm thinking about.

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It's all. Look at, Let me say this, like,

[A]

you know, and it is like more so the artsy stuff, like I've been enjoying like a 24 films and stuff like that.

[B]

Yeah, I watch a bunch of those. I would, I would. I don't think those are typically. I mean, they're kind of gross at times, but.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I would say, yeah, just don't let it rule your life though. It's a great question. I mean, anything, but anything can be kind of an idol. It's not just movies or culture, but, you know, anything can. So. But then, you know, you. When you have a spiritual father, he'll give you better advice than I can. But I was trying to think too, of. I remember in my twenties one time when I was really into a lot of conspiracy literature. And then the conspiracy literature led me to reading a bunch of stuff on ritual abuse and ritual cults. And I spent like two years reading that kind of stuff and it got me really depressed. And I think you need to take breaks from that kind of material. You shouldn't do that kind of material all the time. It'll make you depressed, make you sad. And you know, we weren't made to spend all of our time and energy focusing on those kinds of dark, dark ideas. So definitely stagger your, your dark art, so to speak. If you're going to read that kind of stuff, you want to be, you know, going to church, you want to be spiritual. I'm saying, like, about stuff. I'm saying I don't even think you shouldn't even really read Crowley's type stuff. It's. It's not. There's no real value in that kind of stuff. And if you read it too much, it'll just, like you said, kind of take over. So. I wouldn't read Crowley. I wouldn't read, say, Anton Lavey or whatever. It's not worth it. But you know, if you're going to read like, I don't know, a journalist book like Franklin Cover up or Whitney Webb's book on Epstein, like, I think you can read those books. I just wouldn't make the Dark Orts the focus of my life. And also as you get older, you realize this shit's Nerdy, dude. This is for nerds that can't get laid. And they're trying to create a cult to touch butts. Okay, I'm serious. Gurus. Gurus are just trying to get laid, dude. That's like 90 of Guru Dom. I mean, they have. They're possessed, and they're crazy, and they're. But it's. They're trying to get laid, dude. Why do you think they're inviting girls to their intentional community? I would enlighten you by touching her butthole. And even Jamie Kennedy said it. We were sitting there with Jamie Kennedy. He's like, gurus just want to get laid. I believe beautiful Tristana in the chat can also attest to this, that in Ecuador, the brujas. The brujos and the. Maybe that's Brazilian or whatever. The. The shamans, they just want to charge $3,000 for you to come do their vomit drugs. And then when you're passed out, they're gonna. They're trying to mack on your chick, dude. And that's the enlightenment that you get. And dumb Western yoga chicks pay, like, $5,000 to go do that. I'm gonna pay, like, $5,000. It's gonna go sleep with a yogi. By the way, there is a horrible movie that I do not recommend, but it is about this, believe it or not. And I'm not telling you to watch this movie, because it is not very good. I did not know what I was getting into when I watched this movie with Jamie because we're going to do a Calvinist cult, Prairie Muffin Stream, and we're going to talk about cults like this. We watched a few of these movies that address this. I read the. The description of this movie, and I was like, oh, this sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. Okay. Holy smoke. With Harvey Keitel and Kate Winslet. I never even heard of this movie. Except I think maybe one time somebody of mine was like, hey, you should watch this movie. It's about colts. It's not about. Well, I mean, it is, but it's not. Okay? And it does not have a good message, however, it's about the. It's about chicks going to India on their Eat, Pray, love, discovery, self discovery. And you think, oh, this is harmless. But she falls under the spell of the guru. And the guru is this, like, creepy old dude who's just trying to sleep with everybody, right? Shocker. So they call in a cult deprogrammer who is played by Harvey Keitel, right? Well, it turns out Harvey Keitel is Just trying to sleep with everyone that he's deprogramming. So the whole movie turns into this battle of who can manipulate the other person more, Kate Winslet or Harvey Keitel to get them, quote, out of the cult. Well, she ends up driving him crazy because she sleeps with him. So she out manipulates him and he goes insane. So I wouldn't watch this movie. But it's funny that they were making movies about yoga chicks. Like in two. The year 1999. She's every yoga chick in 1999. Which I was like, this is crazy. This is way ahead of the curve. Right? The movies are always telling you 15, 20, 30 years ago ahead of time, like, what's coming. That's why we talk about these kinds. But I do not recommend this movie, first of all, because, I mean, who wants to see Harvey Keitel's naked butt? Not me. So, no, but it is interesting that they were telling you, like, yeah, of course the gurus are trying to sleep with the. With everybody. That's kind of the point of the movie. And by the way, Father Seraphim Rose, also in Orthodox in the religion. The future has significant discussions of gurus and Eastern philosophy. Philosophy. Oh, man. I'm telling you that the allergy chart is A is. It's at an 11 today. It's awful. But great question. Perfect timing, too, for the fake and gay psyop of alien disclosure. Perfect timing with Spielberg's new movie, too. Is. Isn't it interesting the government's announcing Disclosure as Spielberg's new blockbuster on Disclosure is coming out. There's no way Steven Spielberg is working with the Deep State to announce fake and galleon disclosure. No way. And the aliens just want to touch butts. Interesting. So gurus and the gods that are demons that talk. That talk to them that fly around in spaceships as the. But the vadas say it sounds exactly like the demons flying around in, quote, spaceships telling people today to touch butts. And the. The aliens want to probe you when they. When they abduct you. Fake and gan. All right, brother, do you not understand? That is the gods are coming back. Remember the first streams that we did with Tristan. Beautiful Tristan in the chat. Shout out to him. The earliest, greatest streams that we did with Tristan were about OSHA. OSHA's. And then somebody when they made that song is perfect because they made it an E. That his booger whistle transitions into an eagle. It's genius, dude. Genius. Milk$Pure. Shout out to Milk$Pure. All right, what are we talking? We're getting all we're getting way off course here. Talking about yogis and butts. Gross. Daniel, what's up? Daniel, what is up with your brother? Daniel, talk to me.

[A]

Thank you for having me up. Appreciate it.

[B]

Would you like me to touch your butts?

[A]

Oh, I'm doing okay. How about you?

[B]

You need to not redeem the butt token, sir. Do not redeem sirs.

[A]

I have a question for you, sir.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was baptized Catholic, raised Lutheran. Lcs.

[B]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry for you.

[A]

Yeah. I don't have an Orthodox church in my area, but I do have a Lutheran Missouri Synod church that is, is more structured than, than most of the churches in my area. My wife is new to understanding structure. She, she grew up in.

[B]

You keep saying, you keep saying structure, Christian church. What do you mean structure? You keep referring to structure. What do you mean?

[A]

Well, you, you've seen the, the non denominational, the free Christian churches where they're, they're more about putting on a show than actually.

[B]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Like mega churches.

[A]

Yeah. And, and some, some of the Protestant churches where they're, they're more about singing and, and, and what would you call it? Professing their faith and instead of actually sticking to.

[B]

Yeah, it's a, it's a big show. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So. How do I, how do I talk to my Lutheran pastor as far as. Because the, we just moved, we just bought a new home and we moved to a smaller town. We're out in the country. We went to the church in the town next to us and he, when I told him that I was looking at Orthodox, he said that the Orthodox monks believe that, that they can be perfect. How do I argue against that?

[B]

Well, I think when we say, you know, be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect, it's in a relative sense. It's not saying like you'll never, you're, you're sinless and you have nothing but, you know, wrong in this life. But you, I mean, we do believe that people can achieve a state of union with God in this life. And that might be sometimes called perfection. But again, it's kind of relatively speaking. It's not literally saying that you've never sinned or something like that, but that you can become almost to that degree, you know, in this life, in theosis. So it's not sinlessness like Pelagianism or something like that, but also I would say too, like, and I appreciate your question, it's, it's going to be a challenge if you're interested in Orthodoxy, to Try to discuss it with your pastor. I mean, I know that a lot of people feel like that's the right course of action. And obviously, you know, I did the same thing when I was considering leaving Protestantism. I had two different Protestant pastors and I remember talking to both of them about, at that time, Catholicism. But same principle applies for the most part on the major issues because they obviously would not want me to leave Protestantism over, you know, sola fide and sola gracia, etc. So I, I think, you know, what I would do is maybe ask him to read, you know, like something like Rock and Sand, my father, Josiah Trenum, or something like that, rather than trying to like, you know, do a theological point by point debate with the pastor. And that way it's also a little more, it's not as aggressive, right? If you say, hey, you know, my wife and I, we read this book by this orthodox priest and it's got us thinking, would you read this and give us your take on it? That way you're not arguing with your pastor and he's not going to get mad at you. And, you know, you can kind of have an easy, kind of plausible deniability for not having to engage, debate the pastor, unless you want to, which, you know, that's entirely up to you. If you are really into theology, maybe that's what you want to do. We read a couple super chats because that was a good question, man. I'll tell you what, like, and I'm not faulting you guys, I don't mind what you guys want to call in, but it's like, like every call is people. I'm not bitching, I'm just saying it's surprising to me. Every call is people wanting to convert and like, talk through the issues of converting, which is great. I didn't, I didn't. I never envisioned this channel doing that. But I mean, I'm happy to accommodate those, those types of questions. But guys, remember that you don't have to keep it to the, to theology. If you want to talk about it, you can. But, and I did put all that in the topic, but I also, I like to include other, you know, issues too, like feminism or libertarianism or geopolitics or politics. I mean, I want to keep it open. Now this one did pop up and we had people requesting it the other night and I found it. So let me play you this real quick because everybody loves this one.

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Enemy, Give me, give me. Kill my enemy. Give me, give me. Anyone that doesn't want me to Succeed. Die by fire. Die by fire. Die by fire. Die by fire. Die by fire. Give me, give me, give me this, Give me that. Give me, kill my enemy.

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Give me, give me, give, give me,

[A]

give me, give me this, give me. Die by fire. Die by fire. Die by fire.

[B]

And also, let's not forget Pastor Randy Balls's church. If y' all are looking for a good, solid mega church to go to, you can't forget Pastor Rand Balls. And I'm just gonna. I'm reshare it. Just because it's got 70,000 and it needs to be reshared. Boring Baptist church. Are you not getting spiritually fat where you are? Then come on down to Circus of Power. Mega Mega Church.

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Megatron.

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Hey, y', all, this is Pastor Randy B.

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It's my honor to invite y'.

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All.

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Ch. Don't y' all get it? Don't y' all get it?

[B]

Get it. Get it. He's gone.

[A]

Church. There's a dj. Get it.

[B]

Get it.

[A]

Get it. There's all kind. Hey, y', all, this is Pastor Randy. It's a windy time out here at Arcadian Church. This is my church. Our Pastor, Randy Dalles. Check out that building. We got shot. Not into that kid stuff. Don't worry. We got a whole ministry just for teens, Especially teens dealing with addiction. I call it Teen Steam. If you're dealing with spandex, bagger short addictions, don't worry. We got a whole dance troupe to help you out.

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Not only that, our church is the only one in the Tri county area with a blockbuster attached to the sanctuary. Let's go rent a fling. Babe. Not enough ministry for you? We've also got a ministry to hobos. Not just hobos, but we use moms and dogs to counsel gangs all together.

[A]

We recruit the hobos to help counsel the gang members. Not only do we teach families skills like access and dark web, but also

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old people how to distinguish between a mouse and a mouse.

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Church.

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We're also the only church in the

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Tri county area with a theme park based around Michael Jackson's Never Never Land. Don't feel like a typical service. Why? Just anger to charge you to the pool. We've got a water slide that takes

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you directly from the sanctuary to the filth pool.

[A]

Outburst. I'm not even done.

[B]

We also have a puppet ministry that raps. You like them cool beats? I know I do.

[A]

On top of that, we got a

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flying Howie Mandel as well as a bunch of goop. Anyway, by the way, if you're wondering, I think that's the cl. The clip that won Sam Hideover. So I think I won him over with that one because everybody asked, how did you start doing stuff with Sam? I think he liked that one. Anyway, don't forget Randy Balls. If you want to find a good mega church in your local area, check out Randy Balls's megachurch. Also got a new death threat. Shout out to the death threats. This person on discord here, Victor Vasilis, says, guys, I'm going to unalive dire. He lives in Kentucky. Good luck with finding the Jay Dyer that lives in Kentucky, by the way. And he's that that means some other dire will will be unalived. So he does not know his facts.

[A]

But

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shout out to the assassins and the hitmans out there now to remind everyone, as you've seen with me on screen with my gun, I carry my cat nine Luger everywhere we go. I don't go anywhere without it. When I go to events on the road, I carry that with me. So if people want to come and try to resassinate me, I do believe in self defense. What's up, man? What's up, dog? I'm you, Daniel. I'm mute, man. Bro, we tried this a minute ago. What happened? Where you at, brah? Son, you are removed. Jose Iglesias. What's up, dog? By the way, I forgot you can't. Can you hold on one second? So it turns out there are interesting. I don't know why there's these rules, but you can have a shooting channel and you can have videos about where you shoot guns, but you can't shoot or shoot or show one in a live stream. Why that is, I don't know, but that is why they had to edit out my joke in the inspiring philosophy stream where when I was in California, we were talking about being in the hood and I made a joke because I had my Luger with me and turns out you have to edit that. So you can't show a pistol in a live stream, but you can have a shooting channel. I have no idea what. What's going on there. What's up, Jose? No way, Jose.

[A]

How you doing, Jay?

[B]

Good. What's up? What's up?

[A]

Good, good. I could be quick with it, but I just trying to bring something new into late, something I found interesting. Just like, you know, reminiscent. Like I'm.

[B]

Are you a black dude or you, you a Mexican dude? You sound black as hell, son.

[A]

Yeah, unfortunately, you know, I mean, I could go both ways. Mexican, Dominican.

[B]

You a bisexual black man? This Mexican. You A black sexual. You a black sexual. Go ahead.

[A]

Well, yeah, like I wanted to touch upon. Actually you segue it good. Because Latino culture, like Spanish music in general, it just hit me. It's very overly sexualized.

[B]

But beyond that's cause y' all is a very sexual people. And I feel y'.

[A]

All.

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I feel y' all on that. I feel y' all on that. I literally will feel y' all on. I'm just kidding. Go ahead.

[A]

It's crazy. That's how openly sexualized it is. And I was thinking, look at you

[B]

again, talking about nuts. You obsessed with sex, son. Stop talking dirty talk, dude. Talking about nuts. Talking about feelings. Ugh.

[A]

That is very. Boy, it hit me the other day, I was, I was thinking to myself, propaganda wise, because I'm a teacher in school and they're talking about propaganda, right? And I don't think these artists, they go into it thinking about, you know, like, they're just trying to make their money like. Like that bunny. But it's been going on for like decades. Like you see covers in the 80s for like saucer groups, south side groups, and you'll see them like, they'll have women in front of the covers with a guy holding their, you know, their tits, literally on the COVID for children to see everybody in this normal thinking to myself, damn, what an incredible way to destroy a community. Because it's like, imagine how overly sexualized you make a hole.

[B]

No, this has been right. This has been well studied in psychological warfare and just warfare in general. Remember, go back 100 years ago and you have the operative, what was his name, Kenji Doihara, who was the Japanese espionage black blackmailer got. And he had set up a network of houses of ill repute in China. And he was able to defeat China literally just from a bunch of houses of ill repute and getting everybody addicted to opium doing it before the British, I think, and when China marched in or when the Japanese marched into that province, everybody was just so buzzed out of their mind and laid up and addicted that it was an easy pickings. So this is an old strategy you had. For example, what IDF was saying was a beaming triple X stuff into Palestine for years on purpose. So it's. These are all known strategies of psychological warfare, of sexual warfare, of cultural warfare. People think of warfare as, oh, that's when you have tanks and you blow up stuff. That's kinetic warfare. Warfare is total, hence the Pentagon term full spectrum dominance. It's every area of life. Economic sanctions, demographic warfare, cultural warfare, debasing the people. These are Ancient techniques. Plato talks about it. So. Absolutely. Enslaving people to their passions, promoting all the butt stuff, promoting women into every position that men formerly had. It's intentional warfare, inversion, subversion. And it's by design. Absolutely. And you don't even have to go very far in literature on this type of warfare to learn this in history. Like, I'm not a military historian. I've read several books of military historians and psychological warfare and these types of techniques. And I didn't have to go very far before I found easy documentation of all these things. Now, you don't know these things. People out here in the public, nothing about you, Jose. But in general, people, people don't know this, so they think it doesn't exist. If I don't know about it, it doesn't exist. It's not a thing. Well, the fact that you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist because there's decades of people at the Tavistock Institute been studying forever for 100 years how to debase people and mess up who they are through their gender. That's what Tavasock specialized in. I mean, they did a lot of things, but they were leading the front of war against gender up until about four or five years ago when they basically got shouted down by so many people, realizing that they were behind the T R A N Z stuff. Dude, the, the trans stuff is warfare. That's a form of genocidal warfare. And to promote those people, to put all these people into positions of power by design is a form of warfare. I'm not sick. I'm just. There's, there's three trees on the attack right now and they're hellacious, man. They're in here. They got me in here just hacking, just hacking. I'm sorry, Jose. If you had more to say, feel free. I had to go get a cough drop, dude. There's so much Pollen Boy attacking. Jose, what's up?

[A]

Yeah, I didn't want to over speak or nothing like that, but it's interesting because, yeah, you're very knowledgeable with what you bring to the table when it comes to this stuff, but it's like, it's crazy how.

[B]

I'm sorry, I didn't say anything.

[A]

Oh, it's crazy how the general public isn't even aware of it. It's not in their face. And like, I, I was just putting a few things together. Like, is that really. That. That really is propaganda? Even without doing research, I was thinking to myself, wow, that's really just like you were saying, literal psychological warfare against the whole community of people. And for the record, my name is officially Joe Quasay. You know, I got a little bit of black, so I had. Yeah, yeah. Very interesting.

[B]

Well, thank you, my fellow bipoc person. I appreciate you. Yes, I know. Local honey, guys, come on. I heard 20 years ago for allergies. Local honey. I know that. It's beyond that. The. The. The trees are literally at a level 11, which I've never even seen. I didn't know that the allergy chart had an 11 on it. They're at an 11, man. And by the way, they actually start the trees, if you don't know, they start squirting out their pollen sperms literally at like, 11 at night. Like, trees get laid at night, dude. Trees out here gooning at 11 midnight, just. Just going off, just going at it, right? And then trees don't even like, because they don't touch the other tree. They just hump the air. And then the pollens just go out and they attack me. Probably a lot of these trees are gay. And since I'm hetero, the pollens are not mixing with me. You got trees that are gooning at night, gay trees that are gooning. Just shut. Shut up. Just stop. Trees be celibate. Stop trying to F me up when I'm live streaming. Birds aren't real. I'm you, dude. Thank you, the red shinobi. You're a noob. Oh, he got me. Time to quit. Birds aren't real. No. You Damani. $3. Thank you. Six of spades. Guess I'm gonna start drinking. Cheers, everybody. Flavia sends a hundred dollars. What's up, dog? Appreciate that. Paying the bills tonight. He says. Those who know know that Jay is fighting in the hyper war. He's showing Yakub who is the real kang. And stay strong, my bipoc mad lad. That's a man who understands my wavelengths. Reginald. $10. Jay, what happens to your tummy? Oh, what happened to. Yo, Tommy. I got a little bit of nauseous from too many Alps earlier today, and I laid in the bathtub, and then we had discord drama, and we had to solve that. So that's why I was a little late. And also, when I was about to come back on, I realized, well, FDA and Cleave or. Or Alex Orin are streaming, so I might as well just let them get most of that done before I start Chase. $5 shot up. No, it's shakta la biki yoku. That's how you talk in tongs, according to Jim Bob. And hello, listener, you say shakta la biki yoku. I like to add in a little shamalama ding dong. Right? So if you want to. If y' all want to practice talking in tongues, let's do it. Everybody raise your hand. Let's raise our hands. Close your eyes. And we're about to get the gift of tongues. Ready? And a lot of y' all liked it when I added a little Michael McDonald to it. Man, I was singing a lot better the other night. I apologize. The allergies have got me to where I can't even sing tonight. Coconut. What's that say? My eyes are blurry. I can't even see because allergies. Dog unmute.

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Hello.

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Yes, sir.

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You just cleared my. You just heard my gouts. Keep that up.

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Good.

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I feel it. I feel it coming. I wanted to comment on what you said earlier about people calling it about inquiring about orthodoxy. And I, I grew up in Randy Ball's churches and it turned me extremely atheist.

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That's why I say they're atheism factories. That's what they are.

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No, 100%, and 100 specifically was just. I didn't even know what orthodoxy even was. I mean, I didn't hear about any of that. All I thought was like,

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yeah, most, most of us did Baptist and that's it. Yeah, most of us did, I think.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah, most of us didn't. I mean, it's a kind of a best kept secret. So in America.

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And you know, I come from a super unbiased opinion because after I went to Randy Balls and became, you know, staunchly atheist, right. I walked my way back through with like pseudo Christian Carl Young, not Carl Young, Jordan Peterson type. I kind of started going through, okay, there's more to life. There's more to life. There's. There's things I can't explain. And I randomly heard. I randomly heard about orthodoxy by somebody, some Catholic guy followed crap talking Orthodoxy. And I'm like, what's that? And then I started reading and reading, reading, and now I'm in a choir. But yeah, I think there's something with either social media or culture or something that's definitely pushing people towards it. I assume people call in just because, I mean, there's not too many places that you know what orthodox even is. I mean, my grandpa has been the most religious person I've known in my entire life. You know, it goes to church, you know, goes to church all the time. And he's he didn't even know what orthodoxy was. You know, he's asking me, what do they believe in? I'm like, they're the. Like, how do they celebrate Easter? I'm like, to my understanding, they're the

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first christians there were.

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So.

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Yeah.

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People have no idea what orthodox even is.

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No, I know. In fact, when I was on John Kiriakou, he was like, I taught at liberty university and I could never understand how all these people had no idea who, like the Christians in Palestine were, who the christians in Antioch, Syria were. He's like, people. And he asked me, he's like, why do the evangelicals not know this? And I'm like, he's got to know if he taught these people. Like, when you're Baptist, evangelical. It doesn't occur to you. Those are questions that don't even occur to you. You don't. It doesn't occur to you to think, okay, well, what were the Christians in Syria doing in the first, second, third century? Right. What was the. What was the worship like? Where does the bible come from?

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Right.

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You know, it's. Don't even. It's just a given. Right. So you don't even think to ask this question?

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Yeah, that was the only comment I

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had to say, oh, hey, man, appreciate it. Glad you're an inquirer. Hopefully you find a good church. I think the challenge, by the way, so many churches have tripled now. The challenge is then figuring out where they're going to get all the priests because they're talking about now a priest crisis because so many converts. I had no idea that this was going to happen. I didn't know we would be. You know what I mean? Like, didn't know I'd be involved in this. When I was debating freaking JF and all those other goobers, I had no idea that it would be doing this. So I'm just your silly Internet edutainment man. I'm your infotainment man. I'm the guy who wants to say the f word on the Internet. And I don't mean the four letter f word. I mean my little zinger here on Twitter. Now this, this bipoc man here, fellow bipoc man. His name Kelvin. Him named Kelvin. He said christianity, funny religion man. And then he goes into a science diatribe pulling from NASA and he said, he a philosophy dabbler. Now, I don't think Kelvin is a philosophy dabbler. We're going to find out because we asked Kelvin to come to debate. I don't think he will do it however, I did ask. I did ask him. I asked him to come down. Maybe it's just said that Kelvin. Let me rephrase it. Let me ask you to come to debate. Maybe then he will. If I say X, I gotta speak the light. You know, Paul said, become all things to all men, right? That means if you want to convert a wigger, you got to become a wigger. That's all I'm saying. Now Dasha over here trying to talk to me again. Dasha always talking to me. I don't know what's up with Dasha trying to talk with me all the time. She always talking a bunch of talking. Just, just talking, just yapping, talking. I don't really care. I think it's funny. She called me up, she said, it's Lent, brother, why are you drinking three shots on lint? And I said, excuse me, sister, if I went 10 years drinking nothing,

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I

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think I'm entitled to 3 shots on a 200k party stream. So you take that girl. And by the way, I race. She ratioed me and I ratio her back. Dasha show here. She got that Slavic mind that entertains and supports a contradiction, as she said. Now things are getting crazy in the Protestant world. They did a crucified Batman at a megachurch. And be sure and check this out because our good friend Neil over at Dirt Poor Robbins did a stream with Cleave and y' all should check that one out. Did everybody check out the response to Redeem Kumar? I mean redeemed Gooner. I mean redeemed Zoomer. We already did that one. Check it out if you didn't miss it. By the way, I really enjoyed the review that we did of the testament of Ann Lee, this crazy feminist, shaker, cult leader woman. And then I realized that when it got dinged by the copyright that I would just make it a member's post. So shout out to again the great channel Esoteric Hollywood archive. Who has fixed the audio? What was the live. Because the audio was all effed up because I was in a dang Airbnb. Jamie, can you. Yeah, so we got pretty deep and he added a bunch of good visuals in this video about the Anabaptists, the radical Reformation. This is so important to understanding where we are. And you really couldn't have these crazy mega churches and the mega church pastors without having the radical reformers. See, when you think of Reformation, you're probably like me, especially if you were like a intellectual Protestant, right? When I think of the Reformation, I think, ah, Lutheran Calvin Melanchthon. Yes. Francis Turreton and the great systematic theologians. Most people don't, okay. When they think of their, quote, Reformation Protestant churches. They're talking about the Randy Ball strip mall church with Paula White. Crazy women preachers. Now let's bring that back. And look, you know what? You can never harp on this enough. You could never harp on this enough. The Christian dispensationalist mega church craziness can never be harped on enough because it has a grip over most of the boomers and the rest of the middle America. So I'm gonna play this one more time. Shout out to Dr. Ozzy and Dr. Evo for making the song. And they. They stuck me in there as Eminem. I mean, I am the greatest, whitest rapper out here, king of the wiggers. So, yes, it makes sense. But here we go. Strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and. And strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike. And I hear a sound of victory I hear a sound of an abundance of rain I hear a sound of victory the Lord says it is done.

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Be so leaving.

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I hear the sound of victory I hear the sound of victory I hear

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the sound of victory I hear the sound of Israel.

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Strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and strike

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and strike and strike and.

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And strike and strike and strike and strike and strike and. Angels have even dispatched from Africa right now.

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Africa right now. Africa right now.

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From Africa right now. They're coming here. They're coming here in the name of Jesus from South America. You know, this also, as John Adams always points out when he comes on the streams. This is also very closely aligned with the new thought movement, positive thinking, Norman Vincent Peel and self help. Self help is really just a derivation of all this because Robert Schuller and all those other weirdos who kind of pioneered the megachurch, they also adopted the idea that think and make it happen, right? I'm talking Oprah level. The secret, okay? No different than the charismatic. Name it, claim it, blab it, grab it. Kenneth Copeland. Okay? Name it, claim it, blab it, grab it. That's freaking voodoo, dude. That's like casting spells. I'm gonna make God do what I want. God gonna bring me an Escalade right now. Name it, claim it, blab it, grab it. I want me an Escalade right now. I deserve an E. That's why you got to watch the. I'm serious. And there are still some. Go watch this stupid movie. And it's a weird ass musical too. But actually more important, just watch my video. Don't even watch the movie. There is one gross scene in it, but it's not going to turn you on, I'll tell you that right now.

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Does it have nudity in it?

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Does it show breasts?

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Does it got boobs?

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Yes, it has a, a butt and a boob and it's gross, okay? So you will not be tempted with the testament of an Lee. I'll tell you that right now. And remember, remember, remember what an Lee actually looked like, okay? She don't look like Amanda Seafre. Okay? She looked like Amanda Seafood. You got, you got Amanda Seafried. Okay, you got a, a list woman over here. And then over here you got Damn Amanda Seafood. Right? So I don't know who cast this, but they really did a whopper in terms of whitewashing this woman's funky looks.

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Woo.

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Just vertical, vertical. That so ugly. Her forehead trying to leave her body. Her forehead was like I'm out of this, I'm out of this. Hell no. She got a five head. Y' all see what I'm seeing, right? Okay, does she look like Amanda Sey Freed? No. They always be cast on some A list woman for. So like remember when they cast. I forget that dude's name. This is another funny casting moment. Remember when they came out with what was that show? There was a movie and a show about Henry viii and they cast that swarthy, suave black haired dude. Is it Belen? The other Belen? That's it. Remember this? Isn't this supposed to be Henry viii? It's like dude, are you serious? And then his women are Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman. And then you got this like suave, thin mack daddy, long legged Mac daddy. As Henry Manning with Pastor Manning would say, dude, Henry VIII was literally like 500 pounds. And no, them chicks did not look like Scarjo and Napo. Eric Bona. Thank you. That's that dude's name. I can't think of his name. Do you see? Do you see what Henry the eighth really looks like? This dude is a damn tub over here. Look at this dude. Dude bloat maxing. And here, here's his real women.

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Oof.

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Them looking pinched. Dude just Just pinched. They got pinched waists because of the corsets. Billy Corset. And they got a pinched face, too. Damn, was ugly in the 1500s, man. What happened? What happened? A lot of y' all the hating on Jewish girls because you don't like Jewish people. A lot of y' all haters. Well, I'm sorry, but Scar Joe and Napo, I mean, they was. They was pretty prettier than Henry VII's banshees. Okay, I'm just telling it like it is. Y' all can hate it. If y' all can hate all day long, you can hate all day long. Billy Corset. Billy Corset over here, zipping up them 1500s women, making them choke. Making them have fainting spells because they can't breathe because of damn corsets. Loosen them corsets. What the hell are we talking about, dude? How did I get onto this? I don't even know. We're talking about this stupid ass movie, and they cast, you know, obviously hot chick for this banshee over here. Whoa, that looks like Grandpa, dude. Grandpa, why you being grandma? Why you starting a cult? Like, this is so. This cult is so crazy. And you want to sit here and make fun of it, right? Everybody. What? You watch this movie and you're like, this cult is absolutely insane. And then you realize, dude, everybody in the evangelical charismatic world is the same as this cult. It's all Randy balls, dude. It's. It's Randy's balls all the way down. It's. It's turtles all the way in. Now it's Randy balls all the way down, son. I mean, look at this chicken gost do today. It's the exact same delusion and sensationalism, exact same nonsense. They were slapping themselves like the Shia muta with the Shia tonight. Anyway, I don't know how we got on all that. Raymond, what's up? Everybody loves Raymond. What's up? I'm you, dog.

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Hey, Jay, how's it going?

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You're a woman. How are you a woman? You said your name was Raymond?

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Hi.

[B]

What's up?

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I had a question. I was. You mean.

[B]

Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up. You mean you have a question?

[A]

Yeah, I have a question.

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No, a question. Say it right. Thank you. Proceed.

[A]

You're welcome. I went to a music concert recently, and one of the songs that they were. The band was saying was like, overtly anti Christian. And my question is just like, how do I navigate secular music?

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Yeah, well, we had a similar question earlier about secular movies and pop culture and I will say what I said to that young man. You're going to encounter these things in the world, right? You can't get away from it unless you want to go the route of monastic life. But I don't think that's for most people. Appreciate your question, it was a good question. But no, we don't, we don't have to flee the world unless we're fleeing to monasticism. Otherwise you're going to live in the world, you're gonna have a family, you're gonna have to deal with culture, you're gonna have to deal with politics, you have to deal with people, jobs, work, money. All those things are going to be part of what you got to do. So I would say that it's not wrong to go to a secular concert, it's not wrong to make secular music, because really there's not such thing as a secular realm right now. There is a sacred realm and there's the rest of the world, but the rest of the world is still good. It's just remember that orthodoxy, there's lesser goods and greater goods, right? There are bad things, but everything that exists in itself is good. So while it might be a higher calling for people to be in monasticism and to give up the world, etc, in the sense of sacrificing certain pleasures, marriage, children, food and drink, whatever it is, the things in themselves are not bad. The reason that we fast from things is so that we train ourselves to have self control. Because ultimately we're not paying God off by like, oh God, I'm gonna pay you off because I'm gonna stop drinking, right? A lot of people think this way. They think, oh, I drank too much for 10 years, I'm going to fix myself and I'm going to reform my life and by golly, going to get right with God, because I ain't going to drink no more. Well, you could do that and still be a horrible person. You cannot drink and be even worse than people that drink, right? Because it's not the things that are the problem, it's us that's the problem and not being enslaved to any of those things. And that's a lifelong process. So I'm just making the first point, which is to say to not be enslaved by the things of the world. Now in the case of this woman here, this crazy woman in the movie, you can tell, and probably in the real life, but you can tell that she had like seven stillborns. She probably, if the movie's account is accurate, might have been abused herself because she's obviously mentally wrong off, right? And both her and her brother seem to have probably suffered some kind of sexual abuse or something. So this kind of prepared the way for these to be broken people. When she went to the mental informary, which is like a prison for crazy people, she had a psychotic break and thought that God was talking to her and that she was the Virgin Mary. And now she came to the conclusion that sex in itself was the fall, right? So she adopted these actually straight up gnostic positions that sex was bad and she verbat sex in her cult. Remember Paul said that demonic doctrines would come along. Gnosticism, teaching the forbidding of marriage. That's exactly what she is. Now remember, she's also illiterate. What are today's crazy charismatics? They're illiterate. I mean, and they might be able to spell and write words, but they don't know history. They're not educated people, right? So notice all the same patterns in these cults and in these groups. And another thing cults love to do. Pay attention here. This is really important. Cults love to erect man made criteria for how you're better than other people. Did you hear me on that? That's very important. Cults love to erect man made statutes and rules that make you better than other people. You see this a lot in the charismatic, Pentecostal, radical Reformation Baptist, teetotaler circles, right? They think don't drink, don't smoke, don't chew and don't care. For people that do that is the gospel to a lot of those people. That's. They think that religion is these external checklist of like five consumable goods that you don't participate in. It's totally preposterous. But that attracts a lot of people because it's very easy to not do a few things and then think I'm better than everyone, hate everyone and feel like I'm some chosen elite group. And cults love this. That's, that's what they thrive on. And these are cults. These are groups that do the same thing. And so we don't want to have that type of an attitude. I'm not just talking about being a Pharisee. Everybody thinks a Pharisee is somebody who's like rigorous or something. Like no, no, Pharisees would do the very thing. I'm saying they would erect man made standards so that they could see themselves as better than everyone else. People think, oh, Pharisees are people who debate doctrine. That's not what a Pharisee is. A Pharisee is a person who uses the law, misuses the law to use minutia to make themselves feel better than other people. Remember the Pharisee on the, on the public and Pharisee in public and Sunday. What's the whole message of that? Sunday and orthodoxy. I thank you God, that I'm not like the rest of these people. Don't drink, don't chew, don't smoke, and don't like those that do. Those are all external things. How does that give you a heart that loves God and your family? Do you think you can change your heart by not taking, not smoking drugs, not chewing tobacco? Just see how silly this, this is. So it's like kid level stuff. It's just childish ways to have a way to feel better than somebody. But you're not superior because the. And the prostitutes enter the kingdom before the Pharisees. Why? Because they're more likely because they know they've done wrong. To not be deluded by pre list. Whereas people like this are absolutely in pre list. So that's a long answer to her question. It's not wrong to go to a concert. None of the things that occur are evil in themselves unless we partake in evil. There's different types of evil. Like there's sins of omission, sins of commission. Yeah, sure. But it's not wrong to go to a concert. And you know, if you're at a concert and it's, it turns into like some kind of like a satanic thing, you might want to leave that. But I mean, yeah, you're not gonna be able to get away from bosses, co workers, people that will hate and mock and revile your religion. And I remember in my 20s I used to. I would get really offended if somebody would say something against my religion or my views. And I would want to be defensive. And it's like, this is to be expected. Like this is what we, this is what we're supposed to be aware that we're going to endure. So in fact expect those things. Welcome those things. I don't say welcome in the sense of like agreeing with somebody, blaspheming or something like that. But just realize that you're going to be hated, you're going to be made fun of, you're going to be lied about, you're going to be attacked and let it brush off, brush it off your shoulder and move on. So anyway, I'm sorry for that long winded answer, but that's my answer. Smell. What's up, Smell? I'm mute. Smell. Do you Want to unmute? Okay. Teddy Roosevelt. We got damn dead presidents up in here. Teddy, I'm you. Teddy on mute. What? Is there something happening? People just don't know how to work the Internet tonight. You got to turn your speaker on, dog. If he was going to come talk smell you want to try again? Guys, you want to help me hit that goal? Appreciate it. Haley, in the chat. $10. I'm just getting off work. I'm thinking I missed the stream. I'm grateful I didn't. Thank you. Thank you for that. Let's freaking go, you Chad nerds. What's up?

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Y.

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Hey.

[A]

Hey, man. Station inflation's getting bad, man. You know how I know it's bad?

[B]

What?

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I was talking to someone giving me their two cents. They said, hey, that's just my $2.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Yes. Okay. I don't know what happened, but yes. Yes. Goose, what's up? We got. Damn. Tom Coombs co pilot. Goose in the chat. Hello? Hello? Is the Internet not working? Is the whole Internet's broken. Tonight the Iran done bomb the Internet. Trump bombed the Internet. What's up? I'm mute. I'm mute. You just muted me. Yes, sir.

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Oh, my bad, man. I thought somebody else was up now. I just wanted to comment on what

[B]

you was telling an old girl about the secular concert.

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Like, I've been.

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And then I was in AAA for a long time.

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And I remember one. I went home. When I got home from rehab, my mom happened to have like a. I was a lot younger, but she happened to have like a bottle of wine or something in the fridge. And I was like, oh, my gosh. You can't have this.

[B]

Come on, dude. Be honest. It was a box of Front. Be honest. It was a box of Franz. Yeah. And it was calling your name. It was calling your name, dude.

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I. I totally wish it was, but it probably was like a six dollar model that she probably never.

[B]

It was a Mad Dog, dude. It was Mad Dog 2020.

[A]

It was. It was a Mad Dog 2020.

[B]

Yes.

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And I said, slay queen.

[B]

You said that to your mom? Dude says slay queen to his mom, dude.

[A]

I did. I'm savage. I don't care.

[B]

Go ahead. What's up?

[A]

But, yeah, I. I talked to my spot, my AA sponsor at the time, about it, which, by the way, after going to Orthodoxy, I realized I never needed a. But he was like, who do you think you are telling other people how they should live and act around you? That's not your problem. Other people aren't your problem. The drugs Aren't even your problem. You're the problem. Just like you were telling her were the problem. It's not everything else.

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We're the.

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I was the common denominator. And every, like, on my resentment list, the common denominator was me. It wasn't everybody else.

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Yes.

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It was a bunch of different people. So. Yeah, but that's.

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No, you're just. You're spot on. This is. And this is not just piety signaling or trying to be like, you know, oh, it's all about you. What happens is, as you get older and you mature, you realize that when I was in my 20s, I thought I was going to fix everybody else and fix the world, and everybody was wrong but me. And I knew everything. And then you realize, no, actually you're really messed up too. So before you try to fix the world, maybe you got to fix yourself. And that's what my brother here is saying.

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100. Yep. Yeah. Fix yourself first and what's going on inside and all those other things, like even drugs and stuff or, you know, just any vice we really use, those are just symptoms of the root of the problem, which is our souls and our spiritual lives.

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Yeah, exactly. And when you start to work on yourself, you'll be more gracious towards other people in terms of these types of things. In terms of these sins, Right? Well, what are you talking. What are you talking about? You're not patient? No, no. When it comes to this stuff, I think I am patient with people because I know I have my own sins. And again, when you're Orthodox for 10 years, you will be perfectly spiritually psychoanalyzed to know exactly what your faults are. If you go to confession for a decade, ish, you're gonna know, okay, here's the things I have to work on, and here's what I struggle with. And then you realize, okay, then I can't, like, get on the Internet and call everybody and call everybody, 304s, whatever, you know, Or I'm just giving examples. I'm not saying that there's not a time and a place to rebuke people. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like, you're aware of. Oh, okay. I have this issue. Right. And by the way, the first thing I ever drank was Mad Dog 2020, that nasty ass banana, Strawberry banana. I don't know, do they still make the electric melon? So my buddy who passed away last year, right, he bought a jug of a damn 2020 strawberry banana. And I remember trying to play basketball And I was like, man, I can't even shoot when I'm on this drug. I was missing three pointers. That was the first time I ever drank. Was Nasty ass Mad Dog. So little. Little bit of quiz question there. Right there with me. See, what I'm saying about the allergies is why I'm sneezing. Shows you I'm not lying to you. Sneezing. Oh, drunken surfer. You want to try again, dog? Welcome, everybody, to the limit. We got almost 1300. It's a nice little nighttime crew. If you would hit like and share, you can also support the streams through super super chat. Through super chats. There is the link right there. Dude, everybody's just dropping off when they try to talk. Maybe. Maybe Twitter's not working right. It Culper. Cap, caps, cast. What's up, Culpepper? Cast. Culpepper.

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Ass.

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What's up?

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Oh, Coper.

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Whatever, dude.

[A]

What's up, dude?

[B]

What's on your mind?

[A]

The Mad Dog thing.

[B]

My mom.

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They do still make the strawberry banana, by the way.

[B]

Is that what your mom like?

[A]

Oh, dude, she loved it. She went crazy on it one night.

[B]

Are you being serious? You joking?

[A]

No, no, no. I'm very serious. And she would even tell you, like, I went, dude, that woman would drink Mad Dog and go insane.

[B]

Are you being serious?

[A]

No, I. I swear to God. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so how did. How did we get on to that?

[A]

Yeah, you said mad dog, strawberry banana.

[B]

No, but what's up with everybody's mama's drinking Mad Dog? That's what I'm trying to figure out to God.

[A]

My mom drank that. She would tell you right now, like, I drank that, and I went crazy, and she regrets it.

[B]

I mean, like, one time or like, for a year?

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Multiple. Multiple times.

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Dude's mom went on a bender on. On Mad Dog. Well, I'm sorry, man. Did she. Did she knock you around?

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No, no, no, no. I became orthodox and. And she followed me.

[B]

Good, good.

[A]

Yeah, she. She's cool now, but back in the

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day, she was crazy to my mad mom. 2020.

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Yeah.

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Mad mom. Mom, dog. 2020. That's good to hear, dude. Goose, you want to try again? I'll be Tom Coom. You be Goose. No, don't do that, because that's actually kind of gay. Go ahead.

[A]

What's up, Jay?

[B]

Sorry. Earlier, my phone was connected to some earphones somewhere. It's all right.

[A]

Now. I wanted to early.

[B]

You're talking about how the trans stuff was, like, basically psychological warfare. And I've seen a lot of your Videos you recommend.

[A]

You've recommended a lot.

[B]

The book Operation Gladio. And that was really the first book that kind of opened my eyes to

[A]

some of the activities of the three letter agencies.

[B]

And I genuinely think a lot of

[A]

people just kind of in their everyday

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lives, who just live life and don't

[A]

think about these things, would just be insanely surprised at where these agencies have their hands in just about everything. And I wanted to ask you, when stuff happens in the world, do you just kind of look for where they're at, where their hand is at in these things? Because, like, after reading that book especially, I was just like, it seems to me like they have a hand in everything.

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Well, I mean, I think, you know, there's not really any answers to the issues outside of orthodoxy. That's why, you know, at the bottom of the rabbit hole, so to speak. So this was goose, y'. All. That's goose right there from the chat. I think it ends up putting you in the position where you're like, all right, at the bottom of the rabbit hole is just basically the devil and a bunch of horrible stuff. So maybe I'll look into something like orthodoxy. That's what happens to a lot of people. But, I mean, there's. There's some more nuance to, you know, like, who's running things. It's not just the CIA or something like that. Like, there's other, you know, networks and power blocks, and there's. There's some differentiation and disagreements amongst power blocks and elites. But the spirit of the age, the spirit of the times, does tend to be the Atlantis's power block. Very heavily influenced and controlled to a degree by certain Middle Eastern countries. So that's a big part of what's going on. Obviously, that wasn't everybody involved in Gladio. But Gladio is a window into the same type of structure of compromise of an entire country and their government that you have with Epstein and the West. So the answer is yes, Quite oftentimes you will see the Western power elite's hands in a lot of actions and activities. But I don't think that they run everything in the world, but they would like to eventually run everything in the world. So Irwin or Avon? What's up? Irvon,

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Man? She. A lot of y' all been doing all tap streams, but that's why Kings. We're still waiting for the Yakubian schizo streams.

[B]

Well, the. Are you talking about the Jesse Lee Peterson?

[A]

No, I think it would be pretty cool if you got back to doing some. Some streams about the you know, the, the Yakubian stuff and the aliens.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

On black. On black tick tock. That would be pretty cool.

[B]

Oh yeah. Well, we just did. That's a good idea. In fact, maybe we'll add some of that into the 200k party stream. That's a perfect topic given that we have disclosure. We go get over into that damn black tick tock the Sam Hyde was talking about. Tsamis. What's up man? Remedy I'm mute. I got the poison I got the remedy I got the poison I got the remedy. What's up man? I'm mute. He just, just dropped off. You hurt my feelings with that cyanide. What's up? This is Randy balls Church in 1666 right here. What's up, man?

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Yo, what's up, Jay? So I was baptized last Saturday on lather Saturday. And I came from a Seven Day Adventist background. And my parents, you know, they. They also did. So I'm trying to explain to them like what, you know, the orthodox church and everything, but it's just not getting to them. You know, they believe in things like soul sleep and you know, a whole bunch of different heresies. So I just wanted to hear your take on 70 Adventists with that is. Is.

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Well, I mean, seven day Adventists are also a form of charismatic heresy, which people don't realize that. That Ellen White was also another one of these lunatics who thought that she had charismatic gifts. And I covered the SDAs in the midst of the other charismatics stream that we did. Maybe I made that. I might have made that a member stream. But look, here's the one argument that I would say is good for ending all of these, including sda, right? This one argument ends ins. Ends Islam, Mormonism, Charismatics, SDA and all cults. And that is the argument that there is no new public divine revelation. So this video did not get that many views. I think it's a little underrated because I think this is a pretty. If you get the argument, it's a pretty solid argument. And every. Every cult or group like that. And the reason I'm saying this is a good argument because then you don't have to go into throwing text back and forth with some goober Seven Day Adventist person who's. This undercuts all of that, right? Just like slinging Bible verses back and forth with a Muslim. It's like that's a waste of time. How about we just undercut all of it by saying, well, your whole religion's crossed off because there's no. There's no new divine revelation. If there's no new divine revelation, then Mormonism, Muhammadism, seven Day Adventism, they're all cut off. And all the charismatics and Pentecostals, end of debate. Like that's why this one is a kill shot for all these dumb cults because there's no new prophets. How about that? Can you demonstrate from scripture and tradition and the tradition that put the scripture together that there's no new public divine revelations? Yes. If so, those are all automatically cut off. So I'm always looking for the quickest kill shot decapitation argument anytime I'm dealing with any of these cults. Why do I do that? Because I've debated for 25 years and I know 27 years. If you get into a debate with people in cults throwing the verses back and forth, it's never going to change. It's, it's not the most effective way. I'll put it that way. You can sometimes refute people with the verses. The problem is that they're always going to see all the verses that you throw at them through the lens of their interpreter framework. So unless you challenge the interpreter framework and pull the legs out from under them, you're really just arguing against a guy wearing rose colored glasses and you're like no, I'm telling you this is blue. And he's like no it's not, it's red because he's wearing glasses that make everything red. So I want to make the argument that removes the glasses. How do I do that? Well, what's the strongest argument to undercut the entire thing? If there's no new prophets, that cuts out all of these goobers. So I endeavored to show in this text, excuse me, in this video, that there are no new prophets. Now granted, some of this is from the text, so they might say, well I don't accept your interpretation of these texts. Then I would just say, well now wait a minute. Then let's talk about the canon of scripture and the transmission of those texts. Where do they come from? Then you can go into the canon conundrum. So which does not come from Seven Day Adventists, doesn't come from Muhammad, doesn't come from Joseph Smith. Lewis, what's up? Logan Sparks. $5. What's up dog? He says son and he's laughing. Blacksmith, $5. How do I understand Romans 11:28-32 as orthodox? Lewis, you want. How come none of y' all can make the damn the talking work? Yalls mouths broken tonight? Go ahead. Dude, Are you there?

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Hey, Jay, what's up? I was just. I. I had. I just found. Looking over the Quran, and I just found a new contradiction. I was just wondering if you've heard this one. It was in.

[B]

Hold on, hold on. Let me. Let me pull it up first.

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All righty.

[B]

I like to pull it up to read it.

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Okay.

[B]

What is it?

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Sura 2085. It says. Says Allah said, we have indeed tested your people in your absence, and the Samiri had led them astray. And the interesting thing is that the Samiri are the Samaritans. So I'm guessing Muhammad didn't realize that the Samaritans weren't a sect at the time and that they arose later after the Assyrian deportation.

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Okay, hold on. I just got it pulled up. Allah responded. We have indeed tested your people in your absence, and the Samaritans have led them astray.

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Yes.

[B]

Okay. And then. Oh, it's talking to Moses.

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Yes.

[B]

Well, there. There were Samaritans at the time of Moses.

[A]

Yes. That was the contradiction. That.

[B]

Ah, interesting.

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I just wanted to run that by you.

[B]

No, this is interesting. No, I've never seen this one. Yeah, I mean, let's. Let's see the full sura here because. Yeah, that would be a. That would be devastating. And it was Sura. What was the number again?

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2085-97 is the full thing that talks

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about the whole Golden Calf thing and

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incident with the rebellion.

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With the rebellion, yeah. I'm just getting the context to make sure that it's. I mean, I don't doubt you. I just want to see the context for the sake of the audience looking on screen. No, I got it. It says, we have tested your people. The Samaritans led them astray. Now, would a Muslim say it's, oh, that's not the Samaritans. What. How do we know that's the Samaritan? Is that what they say?

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It's. They're probably gonna say it's not the

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Samaritans because in most Qurans, it's going to say that the Samiri.

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The S A M I R I. Yeah, The.

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The note here. The note here says, this is a man from Samaria. Okay. Did Samaria.

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That's. They might just pull that out.

[B]

But did Samaria exist at the time of Moses?

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If you read any scholar, they're going

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to say it's the Samaritans. Well, but I. I understand it's. I. I don't believe that it is that. But I'm saying, did. Did Samaria even exist? As a place at the time of Moses,

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the Samaritan, like Samaria wasn't really a thing.

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I didn't think so. Samaria comes about from the schism under. Is it Jeroboam? So the people who go to worship God at Bethel and Dan, that's where Samaritanism originates from.

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Yeah, because after the, after the Assyrians conquered and they deported, the remainders are the ones that the remaining tribes of, like you said, Dan, the other two

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tribes that stayed behind and they split

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because they thought they. The worship was supposed to be at Bethlehem.

[B]

All right, Jacob's. Well, the Jews said it wasn't. Right. Yeah. So let me read this real quick. So just quick search says Samaria as a region did not city, and the region of Samaria did not exist at the time of Moses, which would be about 13 to 15 century BC. Samaria began to exist about a thousand years later, almost 800 to 879, with King Omry of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The term Samaria commonly appears centuries later after the Assyrian exile, as you just pointed out. So this would be a pretty fundamentally stupid blunder for the Quran.

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Yeah, I just, I, I was looking through it and I just saw that.

[B]

No, that's great.

[A]

I was, I thought it was something

[B]

very big, and I just wanted to run it by you because I thought

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it was kind of funny.

[B]

It's great. I appreciate that. Yeah. People can all the time discover. I mean, you might not be the first person to discover this, but it's a great noticing that has happened here. But people can notice and figure out new contradictions and new problems all the time. I think I've uncovered at times new arguments and new insights as well on various things. So it is possible to, you know, kind of come up with new arguments and new contradictions before. I'm sure somebody has some, perhaps also noticed all the things I've noticed. I'm just saying that, you know, you might not. You might come to a conclusion independent of someone else having discovered the same thing. So that can't happen. That's great. Alejandro, what's up? And by the way, Omri, this doesn't contradict what I was saying about Jerome Jeroboam, because Omri, the Kingdom of the. Of the north, that's a idolater. He's after Jeroboam. When they begin, they begin this schism. Right. So Jeroboam wants to control, for geopolitical reasons, the worship of Israel, and he doesn't want it to be in Judea, because wherever Judea is. Or wherever the worship is of the temple, there's going to be a lot of political power that the king has, so he severs that by creating houses of worship at Bethel and Dan. And then by the time of Omri, that becomes Samaria. What's up?

[A]

Hey. My badge. I just didn't want to interrupt you. I just wanted your general thoughts on the Shroud of Turin. If you already did a video on it or whatever.

[B]

No. Well, we went to it. I've been there. Well, we. We did it on our pilgrimage. It was. Well, I was gonna say I had a good experience, but I didn't because I had 104 fever when I was at the Shroud of Turin, so I felt terrible. However, I. I don't have a hard opinion on the Shroud of Turin because. Because it's. It's kind of like any of the domain of the miraculous, visions and whatnot

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or

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appearances of the Theotokos. I'm not against those things. It's just that I don't typically think that the claims about this or that thing do very much in terms of apologetics. So I. I stick to the logical, philosophical type of argumentation because I think they're stronger forms of argument. Not because I don't believe in miracles or relics, just because. I mean, at a certain point. Remember when that Catholic guy called in and we had the same debate with the same guy twice in a row for like an hour? And he's like, miracles prove Catholicism. And I'm like, and why is that? Because Mary appeared at Fatima. Okay? Mary appeared to thousands of people at Zeitoun, Egypt. Does that prove Coptic theology? No. Why not? Because Mary appeared at Fatima. It's more powerful. I mean, it just gets ridiculous, and it's like, what do you mean? Well, there's science behind Fatima. It's like, how am. What am I supposed to go read of all the science papers about Fatima? I mean, it's just. It gets in impossible and absurd, and there's no way you can actually get to all the science papers about. Whatever. Look, when I was Roman Catholic, they would give out books about the miracle of. What's those relics that are like. Like that Eucharist that turned to blood. We went to this church in Italy, too. We were walking through all the different churches, and we.

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We.

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We just happened to go in the one where it's like, oh, this is the church of the miracle of the Eucharist that turns to blood. See, that proves Catholicism in the real presence. And it's like, how does this prove Rome Catholicism in the real presence because that thing turned to blood. I'm like, but how does that, how does that prove Roman Catholicism? Because it turned up. It's like it doesn't prove Roman Catholicism because some priest one time claimed that there was a Eucharist that turned to blood. It just doesn't make any sense to me. It's a huge leap. And then people say, oh, you don't believe biblicals? I didn't say that, that, I'm just saying I don't understand how that's supposed to prove Catholicism when every group, every sect, every cult will claim that this or that holy object proves their cult or this claim a vision or whatever. Remember what Shamoon just crashed out because he has the same low tier stupid argument for his low tier audience. So somebody asked him the other day, Why are you still Catholic or whatever and not orthodox? And he, he literally says cuz Fatima. I'm like what? Listen to this nonsense imperfections. That was an atheist. So what, you went from atheist darn man.

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And now you in the East Orthodox Church, huh? Glory to the triune God, man.

[B]

Sure, yeah. Thank you Sam. So I out like all the churches, you know, like, because I know you, you like everybody, you know, you like all the churches and you're trying to, you know, you know, get everybody together.

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Don't soften up the knife.

[B]

What's the question? Well, there's really no knife, but so how would you convince like somebody that I guess all the God is actively preserving all the churches? Our lady of Zaytun, Our lady of

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Fatima, the eucharistic miracles.

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So tell me that's demonic.

[A]

Sa.

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His made up apostolic church doesn't exist. There is no apostolic Christianity that accepts all these different schisms. So did it ever occur to Sam Shamoon to look to see what the church of the first thousand years said about itself and ecclesiology? Oh, turns out the church of the first thousand years doesn't teach Sam Shimoun's ecclesiology. Does he ever talk about that? No, he doesn't talk about that because he's running a scam which allows him to have a giant ministry online like all the stupid Protestants that he's argued against for 20 years to claim that he's some sort of Catholic apologist and because Catholicism ecumenist, he's able to have this broad made up idea of all of the quote, apostolic churches just totally made up, doesn't exist. Where in the first thousand years of Christianity can you find that schismatics and heretics are part of the same ecclesial body. It doesn't exist. It's his made up nonsense church now watch him crash out over this and his stupid ass argument is that there's miracles at Zytun. Then that would prove Coptic theology.