Pt 1 HEATED DEBATES! Xian Zlonism, Unitarian, Energies, Carl Jung, Comedy Movies, BEST/WORST

Summary

Jay'sAnalysis – Pt 1 HEATED DEBATES! (March 31, 2026)

Main Theme / Episode Purpose

This episode of Jay Dyer’s Jay’sAnalysis podcast is a vibrant, highly interactive open forum spanning major religious, philosophical, and geopolitical debates. The focus is on lively dialogue between Jay and a range of callers, with heated discussions over Christian Zionism, Protestant versus Orthodox theology, Trinitarian doctrine, the nature of church authority, theological interpretation, cult dynamics, comedy riffs, and current events. Jay’s sharp, at times brash, comedic tone pervades the episode, creating an unpredictable but illuminating mix of serious apologetics, roasting, listener Q&A, and stream-of-consciousness monologues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Comedy Riffs and Musical Parody ("Cringe Core")

[05:04 – 08:31]

• Jay and co-hosts parody "mumble rap" and current musical trends by mocking corporate brands in repetitive, nonsense lyrics: “McDonald, McDonald, McDonald... Pringles... Long John Silver…” (06:39)
• Satirical take on the modern "guru cult" scene, lampooning swamis and their Rolls Royces ("How many swamis got a dang Rolls Royce?"). Jay riffs on the hypocrisy of spiritual leaders demanding communal living while living lavishly themselves.
• Concludes with callout of cult dynamics: “They are energy vampires. That’s that booger whistlebag.” (07:22)

2. Jay’s Podcast Tour & Reflections

[18:21 – 22:12]

• Jay recounts an exhaustive "global tour" (not really global, but from Texas to LA), highlighting appearances on various podcasts: Tim Pool, Jesse Lee Peterson, Brian Shapiro, Jamie Kennedy, Sam Tripoli, and more.
• Notes the wild diversity of show vibes, especially the "craziest" with Jesse Lee Peterson: “We debated the trinity...the deity of Christ...every crazy angle...” (38:45)
• Expresses exhaustion with travel and desire to return to his own live streams.

3. Christian Zionism, Netanyahu, and Geopolitics

[13:19 – 18:21; 22:12 – 24:37]

• Jay unpacks claims around Netanyahu funding Hamas via Qatar, referencing books by Victor Ostrovsky and pointing to US complicity: “It was actually Baba himself who was connected to Qatar. They say I'm funded by Qatar...Y’ all get my jokes.” (15:13)
• Criticizes the neocon and Evangelical defense of Israel as "projecting": “Every time you get accused of what they're saying, it's what they're actually doing. Classic, right?" (17:00)
• Strongly challenges the “Judeo-Christian” mythos promoted by Evangelical Zionists.

4. Ecumenical Councils, Canon, and Church Authority

[44:24 – 47:54]

• Jay fields a detailed call about the self-referentiality of truth claims and church authority, distinguishing between Roman Catholic and Orthodox continuity with early church teaching, especially citing the Council of Nicaea.
• Emphasis on cumulative evidence from creeds, canons, and patristic sources ("The teaching of the Council of Nicaea...they don’t teach anything Protestant.").
• Points out that Protestant claims to “true” Christianity lack historical grounding in canonical sources and church tradition.

5. The Trinitarian Formula and Unitarian Pentecostalism – Extended Debate

[77:01 – 96:54]

• Jay engages in a lengthy and heated exchange with a Unitarian/Oneness Pentecostal caller about baptismal formulas ("in the name of Jesus" vs. Trinitarian), pushing the caller to see the inconsistency and novelty of the Oneness position.
• Jay draws a clear line: “If you don’t teach the Trinity, you’re not even a church. It’s a demonic sect...a made-up sect.” (81:40, 82:41)
• Points out the historical and theological bankruptcy of basing doctrine on isolated passages without church tradition.
• Notable exchange:
  • Caller: “How would I know for sure nobody did this?”
  • Jay: “I’ve spent 20 years reading the Church Fathers.” (95:54)
  • Jay’s frustration peaks: “If you don't get it, I can't help you.” (96:54)

6. Protestantism, Disunity, and the Fate of the West

[68:38 – 71:05]

• Callers lament the lack of unity among Christians in the West, with Jay emphasizing: “We don't have to be black pilled because our salvation was never in the political sphere anyway.”

7. Deep State, CIA, and Evangelicalism

[29:04 – 38:32]

• Jay responds to concerns about CIA influence and the intersection with the Evangelical movement, referencing John Kiriakou’s teaching at Liberty University and the overt connections between American soft power and Christian Zionism.
• “The most high tier discussion…was with Kiriakou: the evangelical Christian, Zionist angle and how it’s kind of an arm of the Pentagon and the deep state…” (38:36)

8. Patron Saints, Palamite Energies, Orthodox Theology

[102:20 – 109:20]

• Jay fields questions on Orthodox beliefs: patron saints, the doctrine of divine energies (Palamism), the visibility of uncreated energies, the nature of Christ’s theophanies, and the limitations of reason in encountering divine truth.
• Points to specific readings (“Reflections of a Russian Statesman”; “Fount of Knowledge” by John of Damascus) and primary patristic sources.

9. Political Organization and the Orthodox Perspective

[110:24 – 111:07]

• Responding to a question on monarchy and political structure, Jay directs listeners to Orthodox texts and acknowledges there is no ideal Orthodox monarchy today, signaling the primacy of church over politics.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I'm like a rapper now. Damn. I just realized it. You bet. It's Cringe. It's called Cringe Core, dummy. Dude thinks he's on the cutting edge. The cusp of cutting edge.” (C, 06:40)
• “If you criticize Israel, you funded by Qatari. Nah, son, come get a sniff of this. You’ll find out I’m funded by Dry Car. And that’s why the ladies go crazy.” (C, 15:13)
• “You only know that Luke wrote Acts because we told you that. That’s why it's... Do you understand that or no?” (C, 87:39)
• “You’re not in a Christian church… it’s a demonic sect; it’s not a church. If you don’t teach the Trinity, you’re not even a church.” (C, 81:40)
• “You don't have to be black pilled because our salvation was never in the political sphere anyway.” (C, 70:40)
• (On evangelical preachers): “It’s a shtick, right? It’s a moving motivational speaker shtick. And that’s exactly what Joel Osteen does…” (C, 35:29)
• “If you were talking to a Jehovah’s Witness… would you have a problem with taking that one verse and setting it against every other verse in Scripture?” (C, 86:10)
• “We do have a duty to enact Christian principles in history.” (C, 60:17)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:04 – 08:31: Comedy “Cringe Core”; cults and guru riffs
• 13:19 – 18:21 / 22:12 – 24:37: Christian Zionism, Netanyahu, Hamas, US policy
• 29:04 – 38:32: CIA, whistleblowers, Evangelicalism and American foreign policy
• 38:45: Preview of epic Jesse Lee Peterson episode and theological fireworks
• 44:24 – 47:54: Arguments for Orthodoxy versus Roman Catholicism/Protestantism
• 77:01 – 96:54: Extended Unitarian vs. Orthodox exchange on the Trinity and baptism
• 68:38 – 71:05: Christian disunity and the decline of the West
• 81:40 – 88:45: Trinitarian vs. Unitarian baptism debate intensifies
• 102:20 – 109:20: Orthodox saints, Palamite theology, rationality and divine energies
• 110:24 – 111:07: Orthodox political philosophy and monarchy

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Episode Tone & Style

Jay Dyer maintains an irreverent, sometimes confrontational tone throughout—a mix of deep theological rigor, biting satire, rapid-fire Q&A, and playful roasting. His comedic detours (brand-name raps, cult-guru parodies, impressions) interlace with dense philosophical/theological content and spontaneous live dialogue, making this a quintessential episode for those seeking both entertainment and incisive apologetics.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In

This episode is a whirlwind tour through apologetics, Orthodox theology, Church history, satirical comedy, and geopolitics. If you’re interested in debates around Christian doctrine, the relationship between church and state, or simply enjoy unfiltered dialogue on spiritual and cultural issues, Jay’sAnalysis delivers depth, humor, and memorable moments at a manic pace.

Skip to primary content segments using the timestamps above for the full spectrum of:

• Historical theology
• Debates with callers
• Roasts and comedy bits
• Geopolitical hot takes
• Orthodox Christian apologetics and philosophy

Transcript

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I was born in Romania in a Christian family. Pentecostal. Pentecostal. I was born in Romania in a Christian family. Pentecostal. Pentecostal.

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That's a damn church right there. That's time for the chartered son. We about to have an eyes wide shut church party in the basement. That's what. That's what they call the after party. Y' all ever heard of the after party? You know what I'm saying?

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I was born in Romania in a Christian family. Pentecostal. Pentecostal. I was born in Romania in a Christian family.

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I put my key in the ignition. I put my key in the ignition.

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I was born in Romania in a Christian family. Pentecostal. Pentecostal. I was born in Romania in a Christian family. They stole some Sumerian technology that allowed them to predict outcomes. And that technology stopped working in 2012. We're going to get into that tomorrow. I find it to be fascinating. I wonder if they saw Charlie Kirk.

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Black Kang.

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Black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. Black Kang. Black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. Black kings, Black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. But the dark ages was a time when black people ruled Europe. So when you go into the real history, you'll see King James with. That's King James right there. That's Jay lebron. That's King lebron right there. Black. He was not a white guy.

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You'll see his whole lineage of kings.

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Black kings, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. Black kings, black bishops, black players, People of the chocolate persuasion. Black kings, black bishops, black players, People of the chocolate persuasion. Black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. Who was a homosexual himself, who was in love with his sister Lucretia, who

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They made the image of Lucretia to be married.

[C]

And that became the Renaissance era.

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Lucretia.

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So hold on. You telling me Lucretia. That's a black name right there. How you want to say that the people that was framing the black people were also black? That don't make no sense, Lucas. Lucretia is a black as hell name. Lucretia. Church even allowed it. You know what I'm saying? The church allowed for straight pimping. That have been suppressed. That have been suppressed. Listen to my brother. The 1500s, it was legal to be a pimp. Black king, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion. Black kings, black bishops, black players, people of the chocolate persuasion.

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Cringe Core wigs.

[C]

Anthea Mumble. Rap is the next song, y'.

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All.

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And all I'm gonna do is pick a corporate product. What's the worst corporate brand that you could think of?

[B]

And I'm gonna.

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I'm just gonna repeat the brand names right now. John Silva. Got that Long John Silver. Got the Long John quiz.

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No.

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Pringles.

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Subway.

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JCPenney. Call Chill. JCPenney. Call Jill. Long John Quiz.

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No.

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Pringle.

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Subway.

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Long John. S. All you do is you repeat. Stupid. Corporate. Here we go.

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McDonald. McDonald. McDonald.

[C]

McDonald. Cringe core. Humble rap. I got that Blockbuster. I got that Blah. I got that Palantir. I got that Palantir. I got that Wheel. Fargo. I got that Whale. Fargo. Tylenol. Tylenol. I got no beer school. I got no beer school. I got that DJ Max. I got that TJ Maxx. I got Balenciaga.

[B]

I got.

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I got Balenciaga. I got Balenciaga. I got Balenciaga. This is fun. I'm. I'm like a rapper now. I'm a rapper now. Damn. I just realized it. You bet. It's Cringe. It's called Cringe Core, dummy. Dude thinks he's on the cutting edge. The cusp of cutting edge. Calling me cringe. Got the C.I.A. got the T.J. maxx.

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Got that zap.

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Got that dap. Got that gap.

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Got that Craft.

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Got that Long John Symbol. Got that Disney plus Got that Taco Supreme. Got that Bisco. Got that Tylenol. Got that Campbell soup. I got that Denny Plug that booger whistle back. Let's see. Marks and traits of the cult guru. They do not like you doing well. What? They are persecuting me. They do not have filter eyes to cease. Therefore they must take down what they do not understand. That's that booger whistle baby they're energy vampires. That's that booger whistle, baby. I got a booger whistle fleet. Their energy vampires. That's that booger whistlebag. Oftentimes, the communal living that the guru demands doesn't match up to the guru, who's driving around in a freaking Rolls Royce. How many swamis got a dang Rolls Royce?

[B]

What?

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I asked Vision. Last night, the ascended masters came down to me. They said swami or to get roll. That's that booger whistle, baby Their energy van purge. That's that booger whistlebag. I got a booger whistle flute. Their energy vampire. That's that booger whistle, baby.

[B]

How many Roll Royces you got?

[C]

Get over there in that communal living by the way get out of my

[B]

Rolls Royce I heard he's got 14 Rolls Royces and by Monday he would have 15.

[C]

That's that booger whistle that their energy vampire. That's that booger whistleblower. I got a booger whistle flute they're energy vampires that's that booger whistle.

[B]

How many Rolls Royces you got?

[C]

Get over there in that communal living by the way get out of my

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Rolls Royce I heard he's got 14 Rolls Royces and by Monday he would have 15.

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That's that booger whistle B Their energy van that's that booger whistle B.

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I

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got a booger whistle flute. They're energy vampires. That's that booger whistle maker. Oh, yeah. What's up, y'?

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All?

[C]

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[A]

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[C]

Now, Lara Loomer. I wanted to comment on this because I've already talked about this before and it came up on one of our open forums where I debated somebody on this topic. And this profile is saying that yes, Netanyahu put money into Hamas through Qatar using US taxpayer money. He arranged for Hamas to receive 35 million suitcases of US dollars. Let's hear this. We're seventh. As the one who fed the beast, he did not create Hamas, but he fed it.

[B]

Netanyahu, who is against peace and who is against having a Palestinian state, dealt with Hamas for a long time. As a strategic friend, It was important for him to keep Gaza under the control of Hamas and keeping the west bank under the control of Fateh and preventing them from being united in any way in order to do so. Netanyahu was all the time helping Hamas to survive.

[C]

This is the Tucker documentary. This is what we have argued and said for many years. This is not new to this documentary. This is written in many books. Victor Stravsky's texts talk about this. I referenced this many times over. And I brought up how Qatar, this idiotic thing that the neocons and Christian Zionist retards act like, if you criticize any of this, you will fund the battle. You funded by Drakar. Like, nah, dog, I'm fun about dry car. Dry car Noir, I ain't funny about no Qatar, but you know what I'm saying? Y' all get my jokes. We got a high IQ audience over here, right? If you criticize Israel, you funded by you feeling about Qatar. Nah, son, come get a sniff of this. You'll find out I'm funded by Dry Car. And that's why the ladies go crazy. The ladies go crazy. But turns out it was actually Baba himself who was connected to Qatar. They say I'm funded by Qatar. What? Guys say I'm funded by dry car. New Car. At the same time that he was under investigation, he arranged for hamas to receive $35 million every month from Qatar. They say I'm funded by that quarter. I got that money rolling from dry Car.

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Can't give the money by himself. Israel will not give money to the Hamas.

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You cannot even transfer this money through

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banks because even the banks don't want to cooperate.

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So you, the Israeli Prime Minister needs to beg these small and very rich country.

[C]

So every time you get accused of what they're saying, it's what they're actually doing. Classic, right? This is always the projection of the establishment. If you criticize any of this, well, you're a Qatari agent. When they're literally funneling the money through

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Qatar, we cut out to give money to our enemy. These suitcases of money was given to Hamas under the request, bro, I tried

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to show up with suitcases of Drakkar Nawa, right? Because Hamas was over there, stank ass, wiping their hands with their right hand, wiping their butts with their left hand. I mean, right? Stank ass Hamas. It's. They even got ass in the name Ham ass Hamas. I'm like, we all need some Drakar Noir. Y' all don't need Qatar. Y' all need that dry car.

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Best of Benjamin Netanyahu personally. And because the Qatarians knew him from the beginning, they were asking him to Send them his requests in writing because they knew that he's going to lie in the future. He allowed more than 1 billion to

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be transferred to the hands of the Hamas. So 1 billion of Likud money to fund the destabilization operations and efforts which we've been talking about for a long time. And they just trust that Americans are a bunch of fat retards who can't distinguish these groups because these are all people from the Israeli establishment right here critiquing it. Who don't like Netanyahu. Oh, I guess they're all anti Semites because they don't want Hamas and ISIS funded. This is how stupid this is. You read Victor Ostrovsky's books and he says is what they do. Now people are saying, where you been in a hot minute? We've been on a podcast, global tour, dude. Okay, not global, but we went straight to Mordor. We went from Texas all the way over to Mordor at Los Angeles, and we've been, you know, we've been coming up on all of that on a month. Over a month. By the way, I've experienced four seasons. I don't mean the four seasons. I mean four seasons in one month. You heard me correctly. What the hell? It was crazy. On the way to Tim cast, it was snowing, okay? By the time that we were leaving Jesse Lee Peterson's podcast, we were in a heat dome over a hundred degrees in Los Angeles, in San Fernando. What? You heard me, right? So I went from snow to them desert, you know, Hamas ass going on within one month of world tour. What's kind of dumb? Johnny Utah bringing your damn Keanu Reeves ass up into my chat, talking smack. You better call in. Now everybody's asking me, when is the Jesse Lee Peterson. When is the John Kiriaki interview dropping? When do. I don't know when anyone drops their podcast, okay? So I don't know. Nobody gives you a schedule of when your podcast will drop. Now, y' all have seen. We've done. There's 17 scheduled events. And you guys, we're. We've done 14 of the 17, so we got three left. Three big ones to go. And you guys have seen the Brian Shapiro debate. You've seen the Tim Pool debate. You've seen the Black Hebrew Israelite debate. You've seen the. Apollo Z Zus interview. You've seen Jamie Kennedy and you've seen Sam Tripoli. I think that's all that's dropped. X. Oh, then the. The Stefan Molyneux interview. Okay, so you've seen all of these. So that's not even half of what we've got done so far. There's still another freaking 10 more to go, which y' all ain't even seen yet, okay? You haven't even seen half of what we've done. By the way, the Sam Tripoli episode was super funny. The Jamie Kennedy episode was super funny. Watch them both. They're very, they do their, they're, they're their own thing. Very different vibes. But I was the first podcast in Jamie Kennedy's new studio, and it was, it was insane. Dude, it was legit. It was crazy. Shout out to all you players, pimps, hustlers, haters, and hoes in the chat. We got the, we got the Chad hoes in the chat. We got the Chad nerds in the chat. We get the Baze 304s. Let's finish this clip, dog.

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Because he believed that he can control the level of hatred. It's nonsense. He cannot control the flames. Hole.

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Your strategy was keep Hamas there, weaken the Palestinian Authority on the west bank, sustain the extremists, weaken the moderate. This exploded in our faces in the most brutal way. On October 7, Bibi tells the world

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again and again and again, I'm the expert on terrorism. I know how to fight terrorism. I'm the protector of Israel. And under his.

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Yeah. Because the way to fight it is to run it, apparently. And by the way, if you think that my analysis is low tier, low quality, I'll have you know that the John Kiriakou interview essentially vindicates everything that I've analyzed and theorized over the last 10 years. So I'm very excited about the Kiriakyu interview and I know that you guys are going to enjoy it and there will be more Kuryaku interviews. They went really well. We may do some in person interviews. We've talked about all of that. ID Bro says for $20. Thank you so much. Blessed. Lynn. Jay, I'm looking forward to the gladio talk. Yes, we'll be doing another talk when we get back to normal schedules next week. Next week, after next week. Within one week we will be back to our normal programming. Our normal, our normally scheduled programming of regular live streams. Don't worry, I'm actually really missing doing the live streams. It's fun to go to LA and go on the podcast, but it is exhausting. Okay? It is absolutely exhausting because I don't fly. And by the way, if you've seen the TSA lines right now, nobody's flying. So it's a good thing we didn't actually fly because we wouldn't have been able to get here anyway. So. So we actually drove, which is insane. But there's positives, there's pros to that. Anyway, I missed the live streaming, so don't worry, we're coming back. I promise. Uncle Tiger. $10. I've been watching you off and on for years. This is the first time I've super chatted. It's a stupid question. What are your thoughts on Kent Hovind? I just watched him on modern day debate. It was hilarious. I mean, I've seen a few Kent Hovind clips over the years and I thought he had maybe a handful of good arguments. But the problem isn't a handful of good arguments. The problem is that the whole ethos of Kent Hovind stuff is such goofy evangelical gooberism that that pretty much just kind of toxifies and it uberizes the rest of what he talks about. So, you know, it's the same reason I'm asking this guy over here to debate. People were like, why would you ask this guy to debate? He's critiquing Christian Zionism. Okay, but if you're a Protestant evangelical, I mean, yeah, I like that you're critiquing Christian Zionism, but like, if you're. If you're Protestant, essentially worthless anyway because you're in the exact same boat. You're not in any historical, real, authentic church. Protestantism is a made up thing. So how are you Any different than the Christian Zionist that you're critiquing. Granted, you're correct on the position that Christian Zionism is an evangelical heresy, but you got all the other Protestant heresies. So that's why I was asking whoever classicist is, I don't know who this profile is, but that's why I was asking him to come have a conversation. Because it's like, yeah, but you're missing the forest for the trees. Just because you are figured out that there's no such thing as Judeo Christianity or whatever, that's not really even going to benefit you. Why this dude drop off? I was about to go to you, man. Come back, he requests a big dog. It's not going to do you any good in some dumb evangelical church to realize that evangelical churches are dumb and then you remain in them. It's like, doesn't make any sense. So people are like, why are you talking? Why you want to beat him? Why do you think Is everybody on Twitter just completely stupid now? What's up, Murakani? Y' all like that washing machine going in the background?

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Like.

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A washing machine is kind of sexy over there. Muraki. Murakani ON mute Hey, what's up, man?

[B]

I just wanted to ask you about. You'll come in Interview with Korea.

[C]

Well, it's already done. So you mean the next one we're gonna do? Because we're gonna do two or three more.

[B]

I mean all of them, I guess, because I read somewhere that basically all of these like X CIA guys, they had to sign a sort of lifetime secrecy agreement of some or something like that. Right. So anything that they say is already pre approved by the CIA.

[C]

Not if you're a whistleblower. There's. There's avenues for whistleblowers. And also the CIA, the government took him to court over all of this. So he wouldn't. They wouldn't have taken him to court if he wasn't really a whistleblower.

[B]

Okay, does that notify the sort of, you know, we gotta approve everything you write or say?

[C]

Well, I mean, he works now for a Russian outlet, so the CIA isn't approving what he says on Sputnik.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I mean, did you see it? Did you see. Did you see the debate with Andrew Bustamante?

[B]

I'm sorry, can you say that again?

[C]

Did you see the debate that we covered between him and Andrew Bustamante?

[B]

I'm vaguely aware of that debate, but I've not seen the full thing. I would say from what I've seen, he definitely Got sort of like the. The upper hand on Booster Mountain.

[C]

Right. Well, so again, I don't think he's saying anything. Nothing that he's saying, I don't is like, is helping the CIA. So if he's a fake whistleblower, I've not seen any evidence, and I don't think they would have taken him to court if he was a fake. Leon, what's up, man? But thank you for your question. Journey of abundance, $10. J. Did you watch Alex Soren versus the other Paul? I saw some clips so far, and it's about exactly what I thought would happen. I mean, I'm not trying to be mean to people, but I mean, to be fair to other. To other Paul, you know, I tried to debate him three times in the last five years, and he always says no because he says I'm not a very good debater. I would lose. So it was kind of odd to me that he wanted to then debate Alex. So I didn't expect much in the clips I saw. It's pretty low tier. I saw him Alex in why does the veneration pass from an idol to a demon, but it doesn't pass from the saint, you know, to God or whatever, which. It's just arbitrary. Right. So, yeah, I'm glad to see that Alex did well, from what I could tell. I'm sure it seems like a blowout to me. All the comments seem to say it was a blowout. So, Leon, what's on your mind? Scruffles says for $5, when does the Jay Leno episode drop in? Jay Leno retired. Is he still around? Rui. Tex since $10. Thank you, Rui. Appreciate that. Leon, you want to unmute?

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Leon.

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Howdy, stranger. Got some new ways.

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Congrats on all the. The podcast, man. It's really cool to see.

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Thank you. You guys want to know what's really crazy? You want to know what's really crazy?

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What's up?

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So if I had stayed longer in la, I could have done two huge podcasts, but I'm gonna have to do them later because I couldn't. I didn't have any more time to stay there. But to. I've been there for two weeks doing podcasts and I can't live in la. Pan Airbnb rent forever. I have to go home. Could be, could be. But no, I mean, there's two big ones that I'm gonna do next time.

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That's awesome, man.

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You know, I mean, big, big, big, big.

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I know of him and I know that he's evangelical person who claims to believe in the real presence, although he doesn't understand that you can't just believe in the real presence without a church that has the authority with the episcopacy to confect the Eucharist.

[B]

Yeah, I mean I didn't even know that much about.

[C]

No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Excuse me, Excuse me. Hold on, hold on. I'm thinking of Francis Chan. That's somebody different. Frank Turek is. I don't know, is he some Protestant debater guy?

[B]

Yeah, he's a cross exam. I watched him when I first kind of came to the faith and okay, she's very inconsistent but. And he was part of Charlie Kirk's kind of entourage, which was kind of crazy to see. But he recently had a debate with orthodox kind of young college student. I didn't know if he saw.

[C]

No, I've not seen that.

[B]

I guess my question is, you know, I've heard you talk about kind of the evangelical business churches because there's some sort of. I don't know, it just seems very dishonest when he's on stage and kind of promoting just evangelicalism as a whole. And I didn't know if there was, you know, it just seems kind of playing to the crowds and just.

[C]

Yeah, it's it's literally like most in

[B]

a conversation with the evangelical, they always seem to lie about history. And I don't know if that's intentional or like willful to see or.

[C]

It's all the above. It's. It's all the above because evangelical preacher stuff is like a lot of trained public speaking, neuro, linguistic programming, social engineering techniques. Literally, it's been studied. And a lot of these people take courses on how to be, you know, engaging, moving types of speaker dudes. I noticed this first when I was back in my 20s into Paul Washer. And the thing with Paul Washer is that, you know, we were young guys going and watching his kind of traveling around sermon, you know, tent meetings, that he would do these revival meetings. And then I started realizing after going to like three or four Paul Washer meetings that how come every time at the same point in his sermon, the holy spirit suddenly moves him to cry? And I'm like, is this really happening? Like every time he does this sermon at 23 minutes, 15 seconds in, it's like. And so I started realizing like, okay, this is like, it's a shtick, right? It's a moving motivational speaker shtick. And that's exactly what Joel Osteen does, right? Joel Osteen just cut out all the theology and just makes it a motivational self help speech without the theology or any of the real doctrines. So I would say I don't know anything about Frank Turk because I've never seen him before, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't literal business, business, church.

[B]

Well, in second question, just real quick, I appreciate that, you know, maybe this is kind of schizo, but I mean, he. He's part of. And that's an interesting clip. I think it'd be cool for you to kind of review that. But, you know, he's part of Charlie Kirk's entourage. Is there any connection with, I don't know, CIA deeper than that. That would cause him to kind of push that. Push evangelicalism as a whole. I don't know what his stance on Israel is or anything like that, but is there anything deeper?

[C]

Well, I mean, again, there is. There are deep state connections from TPUSA type stuff with a lot of these pastors. So I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know enough about this guy himself, but evangelicalism has always been really deeply connected to the Pentagon, to the military industrial complex. In fact, this was a big part of John Kiriakou discussion was. Was the fact that he used to teach at Liberty University. And, you know, he kind of saw this firsthand that, yeah, of course there's a connection between the CIA and the moral majority and trying to push evangelicalism into the direction of American foreign policy. So. Absolutely 100%. Now, I don't know specifically if that's the case of Frank Tura because I just don't know anything about this guy other than that people say, you know, he had a Charlie Kirk connection or what. The only thing I've heard right.

[B]

Okay, fair enough. Yeah, dude, congrats on everything. Keep crushing. I appreciate you, bro.

[C]

I appreciate you, Leon. Really good questions, guys. You got going to be really, I think, I mean, the cur of all these interviews that we did, okay, the Jesse Lee Peterson one is going to be the craziest, okay? Because that was just bat crazy, dude. I mean, that one I may go viral. It was so crazy. And every crazy angle that you could even think of, like, he trolled me, I trolled him, I impersonated him like 20 times. We got into debating theology. We debated the trinity, the deity of Christ. I mean, it was all of it, dude. It's crazy. But then the most high tier discussion that we've had so far was with Kiriakou. And a lot of that is the evangelical christian, zionist angle and how it's kind of an arm of the Pentagon and the deep state to be a form of American soft power. And Kiriaki is like everything you said, 100% correct. Thank you. Not a conspiracy theory. Ephraim says for $5 I was on a worship team. They taught us to play. Play music in a way that quote makes the holy spirit move. We knew this was bs. Part of why I left for orthodoxy. Yes. I mean, I have my stint in these sort of evangelical praise and worship churches too, so I get it. You know, I was very young. This is back when I was like 20, before I got into reading the church fathers. We'll go to you in just a second, Tiffany. But yeah, I was in silver Silmar. I thought they talking about where I was staying. Do you love white people? Have you forgive your mom? Did you forgive your mother? Dude, if you could have right now, perfect peace, would you take? Will you have? Why would you not want perfect peace? You want perfect peace right now? We got into all of it, dude. It went crazy. Anyway, Ephraim is correct that the attitude is almost like you control the spirit. Now wait a minute, I thought the holy spirit is God. Like why would I be controlling the holy spirit, telling it what to do? Why would the Holy Spirit be showing up at, you know, 15 minutes, 23 seconds on Paul Washer's watch, on his time, every time he does this stupid sermon. This is the same right beta, by the way. Yeah, you just. I can't even explain it. Have I debated AAN Ayn called in and we had an 8 minute conversation where he didn't know what he was talking about, fumbled, didn't know what the words meant, and then said that he beat me in a debate. It was so retarded. But just go look it up. Tiffany, what's up? Do you have perfect peace? Do have you forgive your mother? The more woman that women at the gates of hell. The women at the gates of hell. Can I do Paul Washer? Of course I can do Paul Washer. Tiffany, what's up on you. Are you there? What's that?

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I. I haven't spoken on X for a many months and this is the first time, so I'm just letting you all know the first thing I want to share on the spiritual realm. The what verses do not want us to keep keep going. The what demonic forces there are in. In the realm.

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The demonic forces in the spiritual realm.

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Forces. The forces that are trying to control us right now.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

They do not want us to build. They want us to be destructive. They want to control us by doing control. We are called to do missions, as in helping each other in our life and with each other. We are not called to be connected to the CIA and all these other things as followers of Christ. And I think that we need to be, you know, healers and to all people. And there's something I want to talk about my feelings about Islam and all the other things, but that's what I can show you.

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Okay. So we're not supposed to be connected to the CIA, is that right? All right, that was Tip. That was Tiffany from the 1980s who had a couple one hit wonders. Thank you, Tiffany. Mike, what's up? I was trying to remember Tiffany songs. How did Tiffany go? Tiffany be like, what? How her song goes. I think we're alone now. We're battling demonic forces. I think we're alone now. We're not supposed to be connected to the CIA. I think we're alone now. Mike. What's up, dude? Big Mike, what's up? I'm mute.

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Hey, how are you? Nice to meet you, sir.

[C]

What's in your mind?

[B]

Well, I want to ask you from an EO perspective, right, like what is the non circular method for identifying Eastern Orthodoxy as the true Church rather than Rome? Or one of the other apostolic traditions.

[C]

Well, I think every system is ultimately going to be self referencing. So that's not the same thing as circular. So then if everything is self referencing at the bottom, you know, basis of its authority structure, then it's a question of which systems are coherent. So I don't think there's any system that's not going to ultimately be self referencing.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. I agree with that. But I'm not talking about necessarily like, yes, everything is, everything's ultimately going to be circular in a certain sense. Okay, is the clean testable or is it self sealing? That's the question, right? No, I think a way that we could determine.

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Yeah, well, I think, yes, I think that if you, for example, look at what's in continuity with the New Testament teaching about the Church and what the church fathers in the first thousand years teach about the Church, there's not that many churches out here that can actually lay claim to both of those things. So the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church are about your only options. And between those two, it's not that hard to figure out which one is the same as the first thousand years.

[B]

Okay, so wait, first you're saying that the text of the Bible supports the abyssal traditions, and then between those, you can choose how to do.

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You can pick either one as a, an attestation. So you ask for evidences or proofs, and I'm giving you evidences and proofs.

[B]

Such as? Well, you said the first thousand years, but what do you mean by that?

[C]

What do you think I mean by the first thousand years of Christianity and its teaching?

[B]

You're saying that there's some kind of evidence in the history of the Church that would indicate that.

[C]

I'm saying that the teaching of the Church in those centuries and what's expressed at the ecumenical councils, the creeds, the confessions, the patristic teaching, it's not that difficult to figure out. Okay, is it Protestant, is it Orthodox, or is it Roman Catholic? You only got three options. That's what I'm talking about.

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Okay, so what do you mean so. So it's not that hard to figure out. So there's something I could look at specifically that could indicate.

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Did you. Are you not listening to what I said? I literally just listed several things you could look at. Are you hearing me?

[B]

Well, would you tell me specifically, like specifically what would, what would be an evidence?

[C]

The teaching of the Council of Nicaea. Let's look at the creed produced at the first ecumenical council, Nicaea and the Canons Of Nicaea. It would take you 10 minutes to read those. That's an evidence right there. They don't teach anything Protestant. In fact, you either have to go Orthodox or Roman Catholic on that one. So there's one evidence right there that it would take about 10 minutes. How's that one?

[B]

Well, what would. I think the council I see is like, proof of that. I don't understand. Proof of what?

[C]

I mean, are you just too stoned to think? Like, can you not follow a basic argument in a conversation?

[B]

Well, could you give me a syllogism or something like that?

[C]

A syllogism? Why would you need a syllogism for historical evidence?

[B]

Well, if you're. If you're. I don't know what your argument is here. Your argument seems to be, look at the castle of Nicaea and you'll just understand somehow that, all right, you're.

[C]

You're trolling because to even make an argument or understand what I'm saying. So good job. Have fun tonight. Utility. What's up, man? A syllogism. Read what Nicaea says. It'll take you about 10 minutes. It's either Roman Catholic, Orthodox. It's not Protestant. That was one argument right there. What's up, man?

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What?

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Dude out there with the wolf. The wolf pack. What are you doing, dude? You trying to skin some wolf pelts? What are you doing? Are you. What the hell is going on, man? Is everyone insane tonight? The is that man Rex. What's up, dude? This is crazy. Welcome, everybody. It's going to be insanity tonight. We're already off to a awesome start. What's up, dude?

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Dude. Hey, Jay. I just had a quick question. I've been trying to scratch my head lately.

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Was there a name for the Old Testament religion? It wasn't Judaism. But did it have a name specifically, or was it just generally referenced as the religion of the Hebrews?

[C]

The religion of the Jews is in the Old Testament, but there was no official, like, denominational name.

[B]

Well, it couldn't have been called Judaism.

[C]

Why couldn't it? It's in the Old Testament multiple times over.

[B]

Because it would be like Levitical or like Moses, for example.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And it's not like.

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Why is this. Why is this hard for people to understand? It's literally listed as Jews. And the religion of the Jews in the Old Testament multiple times. Is that hard for people to figure out?

[B]

I guess so. I just didn't see every tribe, like, not every tribe was Jewish. Right. So what?

[C]

Of course they were. What do you mean?

[B]

After the Babylonian captivity, they were referred to as that? Perhaps, but prior to that, when it was Israel.

[C]

Okay, well, whether it's the northern tribes of Israel or their southern tribe of Judah, that's the same religion. I mean.

[B]

Yeah,

[C]

but the word Jew and the word Jewish people and Jewish religion is in the Old Testament multiple times.

[B]

No, I'm not disputing that. I'm not saying that we're Jewish. But it would also be the. The Danite religion or the Levitical religion or the.

[C]

No, it wouldn't, because they're called collectively Jews. So the tribe of Yahudi eventually becomes the name for all the people and their religion

[B]

after the Babylonian captivity. Right.

[C]

Okay, but like, it's still in the Old Testament.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, but even before. Let's say before that. I'm not just saying the bent. The Old Testament as there's a timeline and chronography of our chronology of the Old Testament history. And I was just wondering if there was a name before it was called that or not. And if there wasn't a name, I was just curious if there was a name for the institution before it was called the religion of the Jews.

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Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's. I guess that's an interesting question. What would be the oldest reference? Yeah, I don't know, man. Good question, I guess. Lasha, what's up? They were called the Baptists. They were called the independent fundamentalist Baptists in the Old Testament. The trail of blood. Lasha, what's up on you?

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Hey, Jay, how's it going?

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Good. Yeah.

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Hey. Hey. So I've been listening to you for a while now, and I actually have never thought about calling again, but I've been kind of going Down a rabbit hole real quick. I was born Orthodox, lived in New York City. So I became an atheist and then kind of like went to college, got into, like, Christianity, but nothing specific. Like, it was kind of like floating around, non. To kind of orthodoxy.

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You're saying you could. You could float around? That's. Dude, you want to float my experience?

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Like, I mean, I grew up in New York City.

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You're telling me you can levitate because you're from New York City? No one just like, maybe like a

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But you said you could float around. Dude, you can't levitate.

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But I want to bring it back to what I was kind of calling about. I became interested in politics in, like, 2016, and it was like, straight up, my entire political views were just Ben Shapiro, like, my entire political leaning. But then, like a year ago, I kind of started realizing, like, what Zionism really was. Because obviously I was programmed to think, like, anyone who criticized Israel, like, just don't listen to them like crazy. But then recently I started understanding that. But then, like, within the last few weeks, I came across a channel called Brilliant. I don't know if you're familiar with them, but he actually kind of was asked about you and said his priest listened to you, which I thought was pretty funny. But he's like a smaller, like, YouTube content creator who kind of really talks about the whole Zionism topic. And you start to realize, like, how pertinent, not just think the ideology is, but, like, very militant Zionist actors are, like, behind so much that you never thought about. And I was like, this entire structure, like, from, like, the adl, they're trying to censor you and stuff. But I kind of wrote some notes to try to, like, focus myself here. So I was actually talking with a family member about this, well, let's just say recently, and they actually saw this, like, how Zionism kind of seems to have, like, infiltrated everything. Like, basically even the president seems to be acting like the way we're going against Iran seems to be just like the strings are being pulled from that viewpoint. And I kind of gave the view that, like, you realize, well, there's no good guys in politics, right? Like, because you start thinking, well, Putin starts to look like a good guy. But I'm Georgian, so I was in Georgia when Russia bombed in 2008. So obviously, again, there's no good guys. But I said, well, you know, you can kind of realize that you gotta find your home base. And I think that that's the Church, Right, like the Orthodox Church. Would you agree with that?

[C]

Right.

[B]

But then this family member kind of said, well, I don't even trust that. Like they're all just businessmen and I don't want to give my money to that. And I was so surprised by that because it seems like that seems like the kind of fatigue they want you to have so that you kind of let go and give up. I wonder what your thoughts are on that, because I definitely get that kind of, I guess skepticism and just fatigue. But I guess it's like a black pilling moment. Right, but what do you, what would you think? What would your response be?

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I mean, I, I just. There's no point in obsessing on the politics. I mean, people's about getting black pilled. It's like, well, trust not in princes and sons of men. So you're. What's. What you say in the liturgy. So no need to be blackfelled about it because we don't have the expectations that we're gonna like get maga to become orthodox or something, you know, I mean, I. It's not black. It's freeing. It's not black pilled. It's just freeing. Dude, who would put that on a washing machine? Virgil says for $5. Have you considered arguing with Razor Fist? Yeah, I've asked twice to have a debate. He's not gonna debate. He talks about a big game for being an offshoot of the liberal Lutherans. Yeah, but I mean, that guy's ridiculous. He doesn't know anything about theology. And no, he won't debate. I've asked twice to do a public formal debate. THDN $9. Jay, can you speak about the death sentence in the Christian state? Is capital punishment legal? Yes, it always has been. Romans 13. I have a whole essay on it. Balkan Christian, $7. Do you have anger? Do you love white people? Do you forgive your mother for turning you against her father? Are you doing a silent prayer? That's amazing. Yes. Jesse Lee brought all those things up. Okay, so you'll notice here the references in the historical books. All right, but this is prior to the. They're called. The Jews are called the Judeans, the Yehudis. Right. It's mentioned in Nehemiah. It's mentioned in Second Kings Chronicles, Nehemiah. Many, many times. Many references in Esther. Right. To the Jews. Okay, now I'm not refuting this guy because this guy acknowledged this, but there are these people who think that this is a made up thing. It doesn't exist. There's no such thing. As Judaism or it's just retarded. It's like the Hebrew Israelite guy. Like they can't do basic grammars. D Jules says for $20. J gby what's up? Stand for goodbye to you and Jamie. I was wondering what everybody who practice orthodoxy would look like from Jay Dyer's eyes. What would economy, government, education look like? I mean, I think we have the approximations of those in the Byzantine tradition, Byzantine Empire and then, you know, periods in the Russian Empire. So it's not that these are perfect examples, but those are the closest historical approximations. And I mean there's there, but there's never going to be a perfect earthly version of these things. But we do have a duty to enact Christian principles in history.

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Hey, can you hear me? All right. So I've been inquiring a lot about for orthodoxy for quite some time, maybe a few months. But I saw that the archbishop, he met with one of the archbishops. Met with Donnie recently.

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Yes. Elpita for us is the most liberal of all of them. What about him?

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Oh, okay, okay. I was just wondering because I. I Because I don't know, like all the ins and outs. I don't know too much about that. But, but I was, I just saw his comments with I'm dying. I was just wondering what was your take on.

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Yeah, he's the worst. He's faking gay. So I would avoid the Opidos forest sphere if I was you, Agent. What's up? John says for $6, you have any book subs off your head that you would say are essential about learning philosophy? Well, I mean, we did a philosophy course, bro. Come on, dude.

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Hello? Yeah, is it open forum? Jay?

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It is.

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All right. I, I wanted to call in because I'm taking a class right now and it made me think of you. I think you would really laugh. So I'm in a science class called Physical Geography and the, the claims being made are pretty insane. My PhD professor tried telling, Try telling us the world is 4.2 billion years old. And then he said, yeah, you can actually demonstrate this. And I'm not trolling. He said, you know, if any of you are training to be elementary school teachers, this could be a good way to teach your students. And he proceeded to like, pull out a toilet paper roll and try to like, show us the life cycles. And I, I'm really not joking. And I was like, wow, this reminds me of Jay dyer. His, his YouTube videos just like talking about how some PhDs are bas morons and then I'm not really good at philosophy. But I, I've watched your videos and I was just like, no, I'm not going to trade the wisdom of the Orthodox church for your stupid toilet paper

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diagram or your toilet paper religion of materialism. Magical materialism, where, you know, the planets are like, they're like belly button lints. They just start spinning and they collect dust and they solidify and that becomes a planet.

[B]

Yeah, Andre, if I can just make one more point, I think you'll it so funny is the, the textbook we're reading from it, it produced like a new theory called chemo synthesis, something like that. And it was saying that it's very possible that life originated on Earth actually from just chemicals in the air, like spinning around. So apparently we're not made in, in the image of God. We're either like sludge people from a pond or we're just like chemicals bouncing around. So I was like, man, I gotta, I, I, I gotta.

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Yeah, you're also your meaningless soup. Your meaningless, basically sewer, sewer soup. But also human beings are going to be gods, bro. I mean, nothing in that world makes Sense, Right. And then if you dare doubt that, Professor Dave just says, you're a weenie, you're a wiener. Excuse me, Jesus is Lord. $10. How do you respond to a Muslim that says that the Bible is false? Because it says that there are prophecies that the world is ending soon. Like 1 Peter, Peter 4, 7 Matthew 16:28. I have a whole talk on this. Because that's partial preterism. The world did end in the sense of the old administration. And that's why we're partial preterists. The world ending and the final last days coming in to fruition is what Jesus brought to the first Advent. And I have many talks on preterism, but if you want one, that's a good introduction. Old Testament administration. So essentially the old, the entire Old Testament from Adam to Christ is the old age or the old era out. And Jesus brings the eschaton. Jesus brings the eschaton at his first advent. Now that doesn't mean that there's no final Advent. It just means that he brought the end times the first time that he came. And that's why the book of Revelation is about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. And once you understand the partial preterist perspective, which most of the Eastern fathers are partial predators by the way, way the. The New Testament makes perfect sense. Now. There's a future fulfillment. It's a mirrored future fulfillment between the destruction of the temple, which is a sign and symbol of the destruction of this cosmos, this universe, this three tiered universe is symbolized by the temple and its administration. So when that goes away, that's a sign of the future. Eschatological conflagration of this whole universe. Let me see if I can make the stream a little bit smoother because it's always what happens. Like if, if I'm on the road, we get like an hour of smooth streaming and then it starts having problems by this point, I think because I'm on a MacBook Air. So let me make me small and turn off the camera. And now that way there will be less information to try to pipe through YouTube. Flavia says for $50, yo, I'm just here to pay my taxes that I owe to Big J Dyer. Thank you, Big J. Well, thank you. And you do owe your taxes. Appreciate you. Adler, what's up, man? We got some resident evil villains calling in right now. Eddie Stranger. Hello?

[B]

Hello? Hey, can you hear me?

[C]

Yo, what's up, dog?

[B]

Yeah, I just, I kind of just feel like the Protestants are just kind of the reason that, that you know, the west is going to fall because it just seems like the Muslims and atheists and Democrats in general, leftists, they're all kind of more or less united better against the west like the America and undermining this country and it's just like, I mean, and then you look at the Protestants and even to some extent Catholics, you know, it's just, it's a total free for all. We can't get on the same page over on this side, so called Christians, you know, and it's just like this, this is just asymmetrical warfare. I mean this is. The west is gonna lose because you got all these different denominations preaching all kinds of different. I mean what the is going on? I mean what are we doing? You know, it's just like I, I look at this like it's a total joke. I mean I just thought is there any sense in your mind that we need to do it better as job is like Christians of coming together or working together against, against the, these factions trying to undermine this, this country in the West. I mean, what's your thoughts?

[C]

Well, it sounds good, it sounds like it would make sense to come together against these types of forces. But the problem is that the, the entities that you're trying to bring together are too even do that. For example, for example, you can't.

[B]

What do we do? Because like I said, it's asymmetrical. I mean the atheists are so much more aligned.

[C]

You can't, you can't, you can't bring Roman Catholics into this sphere against Islam because Vatican II has dogmatized that they worship the same God as the Muslims and the, and the Pope goes and prays in the mosques. So they're not, they're not going to fight Islam, they're going to support Islam.

[B]

All right. Yeah. I mean, no, you, you're right. I don't know, I just, I just see the west losing long term. It's just, we're just waiting, you know, really, it's just. Well, we're going off a cliff.

[C]

We are. But yeah, we don't have to be black pilled because our salvation was never in the political sphere anyway. So what matters is are you, you know, living the virtues and do you love Christ? Because you're not going to save the west and resurrect America or whatever nonsense.

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Right?

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Is the. Hopefully the audio is at least running smooth. Andrew, what's up?

[B]

Yeah, hey, so I'm an orthodox inquiry, right? And I started getting into orthodoxy because of your arguments on the canon of scripture and all that. And I even bought two books, one by F.F. bruce and one by Lee McDonald. And one thing that has been like on my mind that I've been since I've been reading, they're very knowledgeable on like the biblical canon and all. So what do you think they're missing that keeps them evangelical school, if they know about. If they know all this about the canon.

[C]

I mean most human beings have sunken cost fallacy, especially as they get older. So they probably had seminary positions that they would have lost or they'd become orthodox or were they to become Catholics. So there's. There's a lot of different reasons why people may or may not convert. Maybe they're. A lot of times people don't convert because their wives won't convert. So I mean, who knows? So I don't know.

[B]

Okay, that makes sense, honestly.

[C]

And that's important question though, because people, you know, people don't always convert because they're on some quest for truth, right? And they also don't not convert because they're on a quest for dead. There's all kinds of reasons why people do and don't convert. But I think as you get older, you, you realize that a lot of people don't care what's true.

[B]

True.

[C]

Right. You, you, when you're younger, you think you're very idealistic. You think, oh, I'm going to convince everybody what's true. And then you realize, oh, actually a lot of people aren't actually convinced by arguments and what's true. They have other motivations, and they're more interested in what they want to be true than what's actually true. Gentry, what's up, man? I think we're alone now. Dude said put, put Tiffany's face back up. What's up, man? All right, we lost him. Samuel. Samuel. What's

[B]

the.

[C]

You have to unmute, man.

[B]

Can you hear me now? Hey, I, I guess I recently found you. And then kind of catching up on your content, kind of found you. First you did a culture war episode on temple against a Catholic and Anglican something.

[C]

Huh.

[B]

And, uh, so I, I, you know, I grew up in a. I guess a Baptist church, and then I found like a Bible study group on campus. And that's kind of where I first started, I guess, being taught and then. But the, I guess the tradition that, that, I guess I'm at the church that I'm going to now, like, basically some of the issues you all were debating were issues that, you know, this church never even really issues that, that they never really got to. So I've been trying to basically kind of go back and forth and compare notes and 1. One diet at least that the church that I go to holds you pretty firmly. And it's a, it's a Pentecostal church, but they, they take how they baptize very seriously. And they build it off of Acts 2:38, where, you know, they Pentecost. They asked men and brethren, what should we do? And Peter says specifically to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. And so they baptized specifically in Jesus name as opposed to Father, Son and Holy Ghost. And so at least in the way it was explained to me is, you know, it matches. It's in scripture and they've got some other theology to go along with.

[C]

Okay, so in Matthew 8:28, it says, Go forth and make disciples of the night of the nations and baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit was the chapter in verses Matthew 28, 18 and 19.

[B]

Right. So we, we go from there. Right. But then when we look at. So there's maybe four or five recorded baptisms in the book of Acts.

[C]

Yeah, but when it says that. I know when it says in the book of Acts, though, that's not a formula. That's just a, an encapsulation of the formula by just saying in the name of Jesus. You understand that after the apostles, when you read the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th century church fathers, nobody baptized anybody in the name of Jesus. So in other words.

[B]

So I, So I'm ignorant in terms of what the early church fathers taught.

[C]

Okay, so what I'm saying is, I've

[B]

learned about it is, is through you. And, and I know he's got some book recommendations, but the reason why they, part of the reason why they take it serious, they say, well, you know, in Matthew 28, it says in the name of the Father and of the Son. Right. And so it's kind of like if I was a, if they called somebody on the street, they'd say, well, father's not a name, Son's not a name. Holy Ghost is.

[C]

They are names, something, but it's not a name. They are names, right? Why are they not names?

[B]

Will we say the, the name of God?

[C]

Why are they not names? They are names.

[B]

Say. They would say, well, these are titles, right? Well, because I could be a.

[C]

Okay, so are you. Hold on. If they're titles, then are you at a oneness anti Trinitarian Pentecostal Church? Because that sounds like a, a non trinitarian church, correct? Okay, well, you're not even in a Christian church.

[B]

Right, well, and, and so I understand that. And, and I would say my understanding of trinitarianism and I would say probably most people is probably not. I've heard you explain it. And how you explain is not how most people, most, most Christians are ignorant. Most people are ignorant in general. So again, I'm, I'm coming to things with an open mind. I'm not saying that, you know, that's kind of how I got to where I'm at.

[C]

Okay. In the, in the book of John. In the book of John, Jesus says in chapters 15, 16 and 17 that he prays to the Father and the Father will send the Holy Spirit. So how are they the same person? If he's praying, is he praying to himself?

[B]

Well, so the, the, I guess the way they, you know, we would characterize it is we, we believe Jesus had a 100 divine nature. 100 human nature.

[C]

Not what I'm talking about. It's not what I'm talking about.

[B]

Okay, can you ask it again?

[C]

In John 14, Jesus says if anyone loves me, he will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we will come and abide in Him. How is he saying we if they're the same?

[B]

Well, I, I, you know, I, I don't have a talking point for that specific scripture inverse.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

That we would point to. To.

[C]

Okay, but you don't, you can't just pick out the ones that we would point to. You have to have all of the scriptures working together in harmony. So in the same chapter, he says, I am going away to the Father. The Father is greater than I am. So how could he go to the Father who's greater than him if they're the same? I'm not sure, but because they're not.

[B]

Say things like, you know, like, in Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Dead.

[C]

Yeah. The divine nature, but that doesn't mean he's the Father.

[B]

Right. And so I, like I said, in general speak, we say, hey, you know, in the Old Testament, you know, the, like, hero, Israel, the Lord our God is one. Right. In the New Testament.

[C]

No, the Trinity is in the Old Testament. The Trinity is taught in Genesis. Who do you think the angel is in Exodus 3 that's speaking in the burning bush? Who's the angel in chapter 23 that has the name of Yahweh?

[B]

We say, you know, God, you know, just God.

[C]

Okay, well, if he's an angel, then he's a messenger from God. Then how can he be God if Jesus and the Father are the same?

[B]

Yeah, I, I don't have the best retorts for all these either.

[C]

They, well, it's because the Bible teaches the Trinity and. Right, but the Bible teaches the Trinity everywhere, especially in the Book of John, so.

[B]

Right. And I, and I understand that. And like I said, I'm not.

[C]

Well, then you're not. Okay, but then you're not in a church that you're in a sect. It's a demonic sect. It's not a church. If you don't, if it's any church that doesn't, any group that doesn't teach the Trinity is not even a church.

[B]

Again, I understand that. I'm just, I'm just asking the retort specifically to the, the, the, the way you can dig.

[C]

Okay, but do you understand that if what I'm saying is true, that question is like, way downstream from what I'm saying. You, you're not going to solve this issue by. Are these verses in the Book of Acts a formula for in the name of Jesus? Nobody in the history of the church until this dumb sect 100 years ago baptized people in the name of Jesus. It's a madeup sect. It's the Azusa Street Revival that created the modern oneness anti Trinitarian Pentecostal movement. So I'm saying this is an easy way to cut the whole thing out. Because anybody who has a group that started 100 years ago that believes that the church died for 1800 years because it taught the Trinity well, then Jesus says the gates of hell would not prevail against the church, you know right away that's a false church. I'm giving you the shortcut to not have to do all this,

[B]

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But what you're convinced of doesn't make any sense. So the whole history of the church is going to hang on whether you said the name of Jesus in baptism and not hundreds of other verses about the Trinity. Don't you understand how ridiculous this is? So the only thing that matters is saying the name of Jesus in a Unitarian baptism. What about all these other verses? They don't matter.

[B]

Sad that they don't matter. But again, if we're looking at, you know, how is this taught? How is this supposed to be done? Is this the way? Is this is one, is the distinction important? And two, is this the way it's supposed to be done? And then three, if distinction is important, but this is not how it's supposed to be done, kind of how and why.

[C]

Again, the entirety of the Scriptures from Genesis all the way to the New Testament teach three persons that have distinct roles and personhood. In the book of Genesis, it says that the Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters as the Father spoke through the Son reality into existence. How are they all the same if they're all identified as distinct persons even in Genesis 1?

[B]

Again, I. I understand that you don't

[C]

understand that because you're putting a formula in a ritual that your cult told you is what you're supposed to do. You're putting that ahead of the entirety of church history and the entirety of the Old and New Testament. Does this make any sense? Let me give you an example. If you were talking to a Jehovah's Witness and Jehovah's Witness said, jesus says the Father is greater than I, and so Jesus is a created being. He's not even God, would you have a problem with taking that one verse and setting it against every other verse in Scripture?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Okay, so it's the same with a group that would say, I don't care what all the rest of scriptures say. In the book of Acts, there's a phrase that they baptized in the name of the Lord or in the name of Jesus. So therefore, that's the truth, true formula. And all the history of the church has been wrong until our sect in the 1800s. Does that not seem crazy?

[B]

Why would that formula be wrong?

[C]

It's not a formula. That's the point. The formula is Matthew 28. And that's why every church after the apostles baptized in a trinitarian formula.

[B]

Right, but why would that be the formula and not. Because again, it's like the people who heard him say that were the people who, who spoke up in Acts 2 and continued on to baptize.

[C]

You're assuming that what's mentioned in Acts is a formula and not just a shorthand encapsulation of what happened in Matthew 28.

[B]

So baptizing in Jesus name is. How is that shorthand for baptizing another?

[C]

Because we know that everybody in the history of the church baptized in the trinitarian formula. That's one easy way to know right there. Nobody did what you're talking about.

[B]

Right, but you say in the whole history of the church. But in the book of Acts, it's saying it was done in this way.

[C]

Again, you don't even have the Bible without the church putting it together and telling you who wrote that Luke wrote the book of Acts. How do you even know access. How do you even know Acts is supposed to be in there?

[B]

I'm not debating that.

[C]

Well, that undercuts your.

[B]

That together.

[C]

Do you understand that's prior to you citing the book of Acts with your cult's interpretation. Our church is the one. What I'm saying is, prior to the consideration of your interpretation of the book of Acts. It's not your book. It's our book. And you're trying to tell us that we misunderstood our book. That you have from us. You only know that Luke wrote Acts because we told you that. That's why it's, do you understand that or no?

[B]

I, I, I, I, I, I understand. Like, like one, one thing you've convinced me of is as the, you know, the solo scripture not being.

[C]

Well, you're doing soul scripture. Well, then why are you doing it? You're doing it right now. Well, you're doing it right now. So, like, why are you doing solo scriptura when you're saying I convince you that it's dumb?

[B]

Well, I, in terms of, hey, we can't, we can't, can't. We can't separate and say there has to. I do believe there has to be some kind of guiding authority on interpretation, which I understand. I'm just asking.

[C]

Okay, well, how do you know your cult's interpretation is right? How do you know your cult's interpretation is correct?

[B]

I'm sorry.

[C]

How do you know that this cult's interpretation is correct?

[B]

Well, to me, it's like if I, if I'm weighing Matthew 28 to the, the, the it being enacted throughout the Book of Acts and this being part of the story of how the church is built after the death of Jesus, it's like, okay, well, this is what they received, but this is how they carried it out.

[C]

Now, again, this is assuming your cult's interpretation. I'm asking you, how do you know that interpretation is correct and it's not mine?

[B]

Well, it's, it's clearly laid out on 238.

[C]

It's not clearly laid out because that's the question I'm asking you. That's begging the question. How do you know that it's not just shorthand for the trinitarian formula? I Mean, why do the apostles have to every time in the book say, and they baptize in the name of the Father, the Son of the Holy Spirit in triune immersion, right?

[B]

It never says that. It says Jesus or in the name

[C]

of the Lord, because it's assumed that it's going to be what's in Matthew. So I'm at. Do you not understand what I'm. Dude, slow down. I'm asking you how do you know that your interpretation is correct and it's not mine?

[B]

Well, again, I'm, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm not bringing this up to change your mind. I'm bringing this up, bro.

[C]

I know that man. I'm asking, I'm getting you to ask a deeper question, which is who will settle this type of a dispute? Because the church, the history of the church is full of these types of disputes. So how do we resolve these when there's a rival interpretation of ambiguous texts in scripture, right? And I'm telling you that. Well there's. Guess what? There's an easy way to know if the apostles all did it in the. If the post apostolic fathers who were taught by the apostles, if they all did the trinitarian formula, the. Then I'm correct and your cult is wrong.

[B]

So where. Where would I go to see that? Hey, when, when Peter stood up here

[C]

and then number one, the church fathers teach the Trinity. Dude, your. Your church doesn't even teach the Trinity. That right there should tell you that it's wrong.

[B]

Well, I, I get that, but that's

[C]

why you say you get that, but you don't get that. How would your church be right about the formula when they don't even have the Trinity?

[B]

Trinity?

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

Well, and that's, that's why I'm willing to say. Hey, I'm, I'm not here to debate that because that could be wrong. I'm saying.

[C]

Dude, that's why that's, I'm telling you that's prior to what you're asking. The doctrine of the Trinity is more important than the formula. The formula comes from. It flows downstream from the doctrine. Look, does. I do think the book of Acts doesn't tell you how baptism happens, right? Is it it trying immersion or is it one immersion? How do you baptize at our church? No, how. What's the correct mode was like when

[B]

they asked Peter, I would say okay, Peter who bro, are.

[C]

You're not. Are you not listening to what I'm asking? Do you even know what I'm Asking you, what's the form? Is it trying immersion or one immersion ax doesn't tell you. So how do you know

[B]

when I think it does tell me when it says to baptize in Jesus name. That's.

[C]

Why do you not. Again, you don't understand, dude. Is it three dunks or one dunk? That's what I mean.

[B]

Yes, it's one.

[C]

How do you know that? Where does it say that?

[B]

I guess it's assumed. Right.

[C]

So if Acts doesn't tell you how to do it, why are you assuming that the name of Jesus is a formula? How do you know that it's a formula?

[B]

I would look at the fact that it's, you know, it seems to be repeated consistently.

[C]

But do you not understand that I just gave you an interpretation which also makes sense of it, which is that Matthew 28 is the formula and Acts is just giving you shorthand because they're not restating every time. And he was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus and the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. It's a shorthand. So if there's a rival interpretation, how do we know which one's correct? And you just keep saying who says the name of Jesus? How do you know that that interpretation is correct?

[B]

I'm. I'm not sure. I, I don't. I. If your. Your response is, hey, this is shorthand, and I. I guess for me that's not the most convincing, but I, I understand.

[C]

Okay, but why is that not. But why is it not convincing when the bigger issue is the doctrine of the Trinity and these successors to the apostles all baptizing in the trinitarian formula that right there refutes everything you said. If your church was correct on the formula, wouldn't they have the right doctrine of the Trinity?

[B]

Well, they, they don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, so they would, they would disagree with you there.

[C]

But wouldn't they have the right doctrine of, of whatever you call it?

[B]

I'm. I'm almost saying.

[C]

Do you not understand this question?

[B]

I'm sorry, ask one more time. I'm trying to.

[C]

If, if the formula that you have is correct, wouldn't they also have the right doctrine of what the. The Unitarian modal God is?

[B]

I don't. I don't know that it would be exclusive, like, oh, my God.

[C]

Do you not understand that the formula fro flows from the doctrine?

[B]

Theoretically, yes.

[C]

Okay, so then they have to also have the doctrine correct, because the reason that, the reason that they baptize in the name of Jesus is because they have an assumption that it's a Unitarian modalist teaching. So what you're arguing is downstream from the actual theology, and the actual theology tells you that it's not a Unitarian formula.

[B]

Right Now I'm saying. Me personally saying, hey, I'm not. I'm. I'm looking. And the reason why I'm asking this question, because I'm kind of separating the issue. I'm not, you know, the. In terms of the Trinity or. Or what they call oneness, it's like, okay, there's a. There's a lot here for me to dig into, but this here did seem pretty clear to me, and that's why I'm. I'm starting at this point. And so now when you say, if I say, okay, here's what I see in the Book of Acts, this seems clear and consistent to me. But you say, hey, early church fathers are saying, you know, saying, no, nobody does this.

[C]

You understand? This is a thing that came around 100 years ago. How come nobody did this?

[B]

Well, I guess. How would I know for sure nobody did this? If this is.

[C]

I mean, this is not. You don't have to go very far to figure out that nobody did what the Unitarian Pentecostals do until the Unitarian Pentecostals came around. It's easy to figure this out.

[B]

Okay, and so how are you so sure of this?

[C]

I've spent 20 years reading the Church Fathers,

[B]

And so I guess my question would be if. If, theoretically, if I found one early church father who supported this, would. Does that change anything?

[C]

Well, now, wait a minute. Why am I supposed to follow one church father? You got to give me. You're assuming that even if there was such a thing, like you don't have a basis as to why I'm supposed to follow that one.

[B]

But if. If there. If there's at least one to say, hey, this is.

[C]

What. All right, this is. No. All right, we're done. Dude, this is too dumb. I'm sorry, man. If you don't get it, I can't help you. Jay, what's up? Anybody wants to listen to their own dumb Unitarian interpretation based on a single word in four verses of the Book of Acts, and they don't care about the rest of the text. Talk about the Trinity, I can't help you. What's up, man?

[B]

What's up? Jay? I'm inquiring into orthodox, but I. I still don't understand the papacy claim from Vatican when it's especially the supremacy of the Papacy.

[C]

What do you not understand about the Papacy.

[B]

The orthodox view on it. You understand how we don't. We don't.

[C]

We don't believe it. So we don't believe it. So what do you mean?

[B]

No, that one, that one. I'm asking, like what don't. Why don't you believe that?

[C]

Because it evolved and changed. It's crazy. Nobody teaches that in the first thousand years. There's no Vatican one teaching in the first thousand years of Christianity. I mean, can you find the teachings of Vatican 1 in the first thousand years?

[B]

Me personally, I can't. You know, I'm a non denominational Christian. Just getting into more understanding of the faith.

[C]

Yeah, that's fine. Again, I think you'll look if you look, for example, at the ecumenical councils, they all have canons and when you read those canons, there's plenty of councils that have canons that say that no bishop can go outside of his jurisdiction. No exemptions are made for Rome. Okay, well, those right there refute the claims of universal jurisdiction. And then if you look at the Ki80, the Chiedi document, it says that, that Rome did not exercise universal jurisdiction the first thousand years. And that's a papally approved document. So they admit it. Now throw away. What's up?

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Hello?

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Yep.

[B]

Can you hear me? Huh? Do you believe in divine illumination taught by St. Augustine?

[C]

I think Augustine's view is closer to Palomas than like, like Aquinas's view of epistemology and revelation, but it still created grace, so. Yes and no.

[B]

I mean, like, in a sense, that truth is revealed divinely.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Or is that the same thing?

[C]

I mean, that phrase itself is true.

[B]

Okay, Would you say that like, all truth is divinely illuminated?

[C]

Ultimately, no. Ultimately, all truth is divinely Referential, because all truth is based on the logi, which are the principles of create the created order in the divine mind.

[B]

Okay, so would you say that reason, like we can't reason to truth, it's just like a way that we get to truth through the like reason is how the Holy Spirit divinely illuminates truth.

[C]

Well, there are different truths. There are created truths and there are uncreated truths. And reasoning can. Can reason about both of those things, but it also has limitations.

[B]

Okay, all right. That was my question. Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, good questions.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think the idea of the direct illumination theory that Augustine has is in ways close to orthodoxy, but also he relies on an idea of created grace that's not orthodox. Terry, what's up? Be curse says for $5. Jay, thank you. I enjoy your content when you're on with Lord Baltimore. God bless you. Thank you. What's up, man?

[B]

Hey,

[C]

Go ahead.

[B]

Hey, would you debate agent of apostolic orthodoxy?

[C]

That Chance channel Adrian already called in a year ago and fumbled on basic terms and so why would I debate him?

[B]

It's just like the most un satisfying interaction ever. Proper debate. That'd be awesome.

[C]

Well, it's not my fault if he didn't know what in hypostatized means. Can you tell me what it means? Hello? Okay, so he just. More of these dumb, dumb bots. What's up, Sean? Yeah, they have no idea what any of this means, but they're intent on a debate. And no, I'm not going to give the guy attention because that's what he wants. What's up, man?

[B]

Hey, Jay. How's it going, man?

[C]

Yeah,

[B]

he had a question for you, Al. First of all, I appreciate your. Your work. You do? And I've learned a lot over the last about a year I've been listening. So I came from a evangelical background, so there's a pretty radical shift when you look into the orthodoxy. And I was kind of wondering about the patron saints, if you. You don't mind me asking about your personal experience with. With that, do you? What is your patron say if you don't mind sharing and then is there good literature and from the Fathers and who's good resources to learn?

[C]

Just ask your priest. Mine is Daniel the Prophet, but I would just ask your priest Floridian. What's up? By the way, if you want to leave a super chat, there is the stream labs link Floridian, what's up? Floridian on mute. Gabriel,

[B]

What's up? Hey, I have two questions about eed. Okay, so the first one Is. I'm not sure if I misunderstood. I read the triads. You don't receive the energies without the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, right?

[C]

Yeah, well, the energies are the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

[B]

Yes, exactly. But since the Holy Spirit is an instantiation of the divine essence, does that mean that the divine.

[C]

The Holy Spirit is not an instantiation of the essence. He's a divine person. There's a distinction between nature and person.

[B]

Person. Right, but what's a hypostasis? Isn't that a. An instantiation of a nature?

[C]

It's a person who has the nature. So the nature exists in the mode of the person that has it. So you're missing the important distinction of mode. If. If a hypostasis was an instantiation of nature, then we would be teaching what the Monophysites and John Philipponus teach, which is that the. There's three natures or three gods, and that's a heresy. So. No, there's one nature exists in the mode of three hypostases.

[B]

Okay. Do you.

[C]

Is there.

[B]

Does St. John Damascus talk about it?

[C]

Y says exactly what I said.

[B]

I must have missed it.

[C]

Literally. He says exactly what I said.

[B]

All right, thank you.

[C]

Multiple times in. Fount of knowledge. Multiple times in and on the Orthodox faith. He says what I just said. Underwater. What's up. Underwater. On mute. Yeah.

[B]

Hello. So I was wondering if. Because you said that you should only use the Orthodox study Bible, right? Or the. I never said you had like use the King James Version stuff like that.

[C]

When did I say that?

[B]

That. Oh. Or I said. Sorry, I said if. If the King James Version Bible was. Was a One you could read, and I think you recommended something else or what. What's your position on that exactly?

[C]

I mean, I think the Orthodox study Bible is a good study Bible. I've never said you have to. You can only read that.

[B]

Oh, my bad. I. I must have misheard you. So it's. I was just saying that because, like, there's like a. There's like. I think it's like an exact replica of like the. The Bible that you have in like the app store on. On Android.

[C]

Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think that's. Yeah. I mean, if you only have, you know. I mean, sometimes I use the Catholic NRSV or something like that. That on certain occasions. Gabriel, did you want to say something else?

[B]

Yeah, sorry, I'm back. I had another question about the. The Nick debate and the theophanies.

[C]

Nick Fuentes.

[B]

No Fearless truth oh, yeah, yeah. So you were saying the theophanies are fully uncreated, right?

[C]

Yeah, that's what Pal said.

[B]

Those. No, I, I agree, but at the same time, how could I. I know you said not to ask the how, but Palomas also says that the energies are visible to the. The noose, right? Not the visible eyes.

[C]

No, he says to the visible eye that's deified, right?

[B]

Yes. So would we say that all the, like the Israelites were all had. They were all given deified vision?

[C]

They were given that vision, apparently way.

[B]

Okay, but it wasn't material that that was being shown.

[C]

Why not? Why can't it be?

[B]

Well, because material can't be uncreated.

[C]

Well, I don't know if it's not matter in the sense of the way we understand matter, but I mean, Jesus is literally wrestling with Jacob. I don't, I mean, I don't know how he did that, but he did.

[B]

Yeah, that, that's, that was where I was going to. It's. How does Jacob touch matter if matter can't be uncreated?

[C]

Well, I don't think that it has to be matter like we think of it, but God can in some way have a form. And this is why the Old Testament prophets get persecuted, because Isaiah says that God has a form and then he gets sawn in two because the Jews say God has no form. Well, then did he see God's form or not?

[B]

Not.

[C]

I mean, it's no different though, if you think about the incarnation as the Son limiting himself to be in one place at one time. And so it's the same question with as incarnation, it's like, how does that happen? I don't know. Cyril says that God willed to limit himself and become an infant.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But at the same time, the incarnation, there is actually a created aspect to it.

[C]

Yeah, but you're missing my point.

[B]

Point.

[C]

It doesn't matter about the substance of the human body if he's also willfully limiting himself in time and space. So is there a sense in which he's in Bethsaida and not in Jerusalem?

[B]

Right, yeah, I got it. Yeah, the kenosis.

[C]

Yeah. So I'm just saying that if you go the route of saying that the uncreated energies can't manifest in time and space, you end up ultimately saying that the incarnation is not possible. Possible because it's the same line of argument. It's the same argument Muslims use. This is why Muslims said the incarnation is not possible.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. I, I never thought about it. To me, it was kind of always. It can manifest in time and space to the deified people, but not. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know how God does it. Yeah, I don't know how he was able to wrestle with Jake of when he, you know. But, you know, that's what it says. So volunteer us. What's up?

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Jay.

[B]

Hey, man. Really appreciate you stumbled on you a few months ago and learned an incredible amount, man. The philosophical and historical rigor is kind of unparalleled from what I've seen on the Internet. I'm. I'm curious, just. I haven't heard many Orthodox speakers talk about political philosophy in general. The monarchy laid out in the Old Testament. How does that play out in modern terms? What is the thinking on what is the correct political structure for a society? Could you point me to anything that would illuminate me There.

[C]

Reflections of a Russian Statesman by Pabanatsiev, which is free. You can find it online. That's probably the best recent text on that. But I mean, it's not an immediate concern because there is no Orthodox monarchy. So. Floridian, you want to try again? I lost you. Where'd you go? Every time he comes up, it goes away. Gentry, do you want to try again? Go ahead, man. Goat.

[B]

Yeah. Hello, Mr. J. Derek, can you hear me right now? Okay. Thank you for your platform. I appreciate it. I'm coming with the political question for you because I'm not a Zionist or anything of the sort. Don't necessarily support Israel. But I'm curious from the geopolitical perspective, subtracting the moral arguments about the war. War, of course, I do not agree with the war from a Christian perspective, but do you think that geopolitically is the United States support for Israel justified? In my opinion, I believe that it is not because Israel is necessarily almost reliable or strong ally for the region, but more so because I believe that Israel is holding up strategic interest for the area. So, for example.

[C]

Yeah, like who? The oil companies, military industrial complex. All those. Really? Strategic interests?

[B]

Yes. Well, the military industrial complex is become something so incredibly tied to the economy from Kian ideas.

[C]

But okay, yeah, so I guess. I guess our ethics should be guided by Keynesian military industrial complex ethics in the Middle East. Yeah, sure.

[B]

Well, that's not what I'm saying, Mr. Diet. I'm not. I'm saying this only because it is proven to be reliable ally. Not from the moral perspective. I'm not taking an ethical stance on this.

[C]

How are they reliable ally if it's not from the moral perspective?

[B]

Yes, well, I'm not holding model perspective because the. I think that politics is above morals, isn't it? I don't think a man can be a Christian and be in the position of ordering.

[C]

And you're Orthodox? What are you?

[B]

Yes, I am Romanian Orthodox.

[C]

And how many. How many Orthodox Christians have supported the Zionist interests in the Middle East?

[B]

What did you say? Salty.

[C]

How many Orthodox patriarchs or interests have. Have publicly supported Israel in the Middle East?

[B]

Probably none of them.

[C]

Okay, so. Yeah, so you're out of accord with everybody and so what's the basis here?

[B]

Sorry, say again?

[C]

So you're out of accord with everybody and what's your argument?

[B]

My. My argument? I'm not really even espousing an argument per se because I. I just want to know your own perspective because.

[C]

Well, no, you were arguing. Now you're saying you're not. You just want to know my perspective. But you were making an argument earlier, so which one is it?

[B]

Yes, yeah. Yes, I was. But in terms of the geopolitical is subtracting the United States.

[C]

I don't think you're Romanian. I don't believe you. So good try though. Good job. Nice job. Fed Maxing. What's up, goat? I'm a Romanian Orthodox. We must be Zionist. Goat. What's up,

[B]

Goat?

[C]

What's up, Milan? What's up, Milan? Mylon. What's up? This has been an interesting night tonight. Just jag or. No, sorry, just a guy. What's up, dog? I don't know why people are coming here bragging like you lost because you don't have the audience that Rachel had. Rachel is on whatever and she's on Andrew's platform as well. I was just on Andrew's platform with the black Hebrew Israelite debate as well. So. So I'm not trying to compete with them. So you can just go elsewhere. What's up, man?

[B]

Hey. I just had some questions about your views on Genesis and evolution.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I'm. I'm an evangelical, like, Protestant. But I wanted to know. I saw William Lane Craig's like, interview with Gavin Orland where he talked about the historical atom being born, like hundreds of thousands of years ago. What is your perspective on that?

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