Pt 1 - I WENT ON A HUGE PODCAST...AND THIS HAPPENED...(OPEN CALLS!)

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis – June 28, 2026

Episode: Pt 1 – I WENT ON A HUGE PODCAST...AND THIS HAPPENED...(OPEN CALLS!)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Jay'sAnalysis features host Jay Dyer reflecting on his recent appearance on what he claims is one of the largest podcasts he's ever done, while inviting open calls from listeners for wide-ranging discussion. The show oscillates between irreverent skits, impressions, deep dives into church history, geopolitical intrigue, the intersection of religion and intelligence operations, and cultural analysis—true to Jay's signature style of blending high-brow scholarship with satire and banter.

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Major Discussion Points

1. Comedy Skits and Satirical Commentary

(01:46–12:30, interspersed throughout first 15 mins)

• Parodies of commercial jingles and business software ads to lampoon consumerism, contemporary podcast culture, and influencer branding (e.g., "Duracell batteries with Power Boost ingredients... built right here in the USA" [00:12]).
• Satirical Rap and Song Parodies on bankers, CEOs, and the financial system ("Bankers get on the floor / Bankers making people poor" [06:57]).
• Self-deprecating humor as "the Pope of the Future," riffing on pop culture, fame, and "wigger" memes ("I am the Pope of the future, the future. Living inside a Walmart." [09:05]).

"You invite an old man dressed like a baby Then act surprised when it all gets crazy." – Jay Dyer [09:34]

2. Jay's Big Podcast Appearance: Teasing the Reveal

(13:15–23:56, revisited at 33:01 and 34:11)

• Jay discusses appearing on what he calls his largest podcast yet, intentionally keeping listeners guessing:
  • Playfully speculates about which podcast he visited, teasing with pop culture references (Tony Soprano, Nicholas Cage, RuPaul, Call Her Daddy, Joe Rogan, etc.).
  • Reflects how the conversation veered away from topics he prepared for, appreciating the improv dynamic:

    "I was sort of kept... in the dark on what the topics would be and that ended up being a good thing... I love doing it. Improv, stream of consciousness, on the spot." [21:38]

  • Describes the episode as "philosophically meaty" and dense, with impressions both landing and missing, adding a layer of meta-comedy.
  • Hints that the topics were "very heavy on certain topics that you guys... are going to resonate with." [23:56]
  • Admits that this "may end up being" the most substantial conversation he's done for a normie audience.

3. Historical Theology – Vestments, Canons, and Church History

(13:15–17:40)

• Discussion of the Apostolic Fathers and Eastern church canons:
  • Notes early use of liturgical vestments ("Canons of Hippolytus... used in the Eastern churches – when the bishop celebrates the Holy Communion... presbyters should be clothed in white." [16:04]).
  • Explains the significance of canons versus individual church fathers:

    "Canons are the mind of an entire region, synod, etc." [17:20]

  • Touches on post-Apostolic era controversies, especially about St. Hippolytus and apostolic succession.

4. Impressions on Ecumenism & Religious Liberty as Geopolitical Tools

(36:00–46:45)

• Jay dissects the role of ecumenism as more than theological—but as a tool of domestic and foreign policy, especially during the Cold War:
  • Cites Michael Graziano’s academic work linking the CIA and religious groups.
  • Details how Vatican II, the World Council of Churches, and prominent Jesuits were used for "soft power" by Western intelligence.
  • Highlights John Paul II's importance as a U.S.-allied figure during the Cold War:

    "The American empire, its ethos, needed these entities to be forms of soft power during the Cold War to push Americanism..." [42:49]

  • Observes that ecumenical movements in the West now serve the "woke agenda".

5. Deep Dives into Vatican Espionage and "Wandering Bishops"

(46:42–62:39)

• Reviews books on Vatican espionage and the "wandering bishops" (episcopi vagantes) phenomenon:
  • Details figures like David Ferrie, Malachi Martin, and their questionable ties to intelligence and organized crime.
  • Exposes sectarian schisms as often the domain of “spooks, kooks, and crooks”:

    "You really are just dealing with a domain of spooks, kooks and crooks. That's unfortunately what the whole wandering bishop world is." [53:07]

  • Links these phenomena to the murkier, conspiratorial fringes of global church operations.

6. Banking Dynasties, Intelligence, and Bolshevik Revolution Connections

(66:53–74:18)

• Jay gives an overview of banking families influencing world history – especially the Rothschilds, Schiff, Warburg, and how their global financial network included funding political revolutions (e.g., sending 1 million rubles to Lenin [71:01]).
  • Discusses the Rothschilds’ private intelligence network and code-speak.
  • Brings in modern references (e.g., Armie Hammer's family, new media crossovers on X/Twitter).

7. Critique of Conservative/Neocon Media & Party Politics

(78:15–80:00, 85:49–91:06)

• Jay pokes fun at Trump as the ultimate "boomer archetype" and the persistent references to Communism/Cold War by establishment conservatives.
  • Asserts the bipartisan basis of U.S. deep state and oligarchical control:

    "Briefly... all of these things. The boomer mind matrix, you know, who the villains of World War II were, etc, the boomer mind matrix has begun to collapse..." [85:51]

  • Calls out the controlled dialectic of U.S. politics, highlighting the recurring forces behind plotlines like Russiagate.

8. Listener Open Calls: Theology, Politics, Cultural Critique

(95:18 onward)

a. Protestantism, American Civil Religion, and Wokeism

• FDA and Will discuss Joseph Bottum’s An Anxious Age, and GM Davis' Antichrist, both tracing the roots of woke secularism to mainline Protestantism and Puritanism.
  • The concept of “political salvation” and moral pietism as secularized forms of earlier religious fervor.
  • FDA:

    "All these people, they essentially have the exact same worldview as their ancestors. It's just they've removed the Christian elements." [96:12]

  • Jay:

    "You keep the city on a hill ideology, but you remove the theology and it becomes a political project..." [99:41]

b. Holidays, Secularism, and Civic Religion

• Debates over Puritans, Anabaptists, and replacement of feast days with secular holidays.

c. Oligarchy in Texas and Conservative Media

• Jose (caller) reveals how withdrawal of the Wilkes brothers upends Texas conservative power dynamics, underlining the role of big money in establishing media personalities and shaping politics:
  • Brings up Ben Shapiro’s career being manufactured by massive financial investments.
  • Notes new donors behind Greg Abbott (Syed Javaid Anwar) and mosque construction in Texas.

d. Theology Open Call: Presence of Christ in the Eucharist; Protestant Position

• Callers discuss whether the Protestant denial of Real Presence leans toward Nestorianism and how different reformers inconsistently deploy nominalism and realism.

e. Church and Intelligence: Ukraine, Vatican, and Jesuit Operations

• Jay details Vatican and CIA cooperation via Uniates and Jesuit “Rusicum” operatives in Ukrainian/Russian espionage efforts pre and post-WWII.
• Explains how Stalin shifted Soviet church policy for pragmatic reasons, not religious revival.

f. Neo-Paganism and "Fed" Movements

• Insistence that neo-paganism is marginal but easily amenable to manipulation as “ecological” or “nature” religion.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Jay on the aim of his appearances:

  "I think this will most likely be the largest podcast interview that we've done today by far. I think you guys are going to enjoy it when it drops. We covered everything, but we were very heavy on certain topics that you guys... are going to resonate with." [13:15 & 23:56]

• On Church Canons:

  "Canons are the mind of an entire region, synod, etc. So I just thought that was interesting..." [17:20]

• On Vatican-Espionage Crossover:

  "Pius XII worked in the Vatican's secret service prior to becoming Pope... John Paul II sort of takes it to the next level because of such a very, very close relationship to the CIA." [44:27]

• On Protestantism and Wokeism:

  "When they got rid of God and the theology, they kept this idea that you have to basically save the world through political, social, you know, programs." [98:04] "For a liberal, like the greatest sin is racism. Right?" (discussion on moral code shift) [100:08]

• On Boomer Conservatism:

  "Communism is older than a thousand years... the ultimate boomer post... The Cold War is this eternal thing that you can always refer back to for the boomers." [77:50]

• On Modern Ecclesiastical Schisms:

  "If this is the world that you want to go into, have fun with that.... you're only torturing yourself and you will find out that I am absolutely correct after several years of these domains, of these quacks, kooks and spooks." [59:15-60:50]

• On Techno-Globalism in Sports:

  "It's not just social engineering, it's also part of globalization. If you can have gigantic international sports... then we're no longer thinking of nation states... we're all a global, you know, gamified society." [35:25]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:46 – Start of comedic antics (Duracell, Magic Underwear, “Bankers” rap)
• 13:15 – Jay reflects on his large podcast appearance and church canons
• 21:38 – Comments on improv/interview style
• 23:56 – Preview of podcast themes (philosophically dense, impressions, audience fit)
• 36:00 – Deep dive into the geopolitical dimensions of ecumenism
• 46:42 – Vatican espionage, wandering bishops, Cold War church espionage
• 66:53 – Rothschilds’ intelligence network, bankers, and revolution
• 78:15 – Trump, "boomer" archetypes, and modern conservatism debunked
• 85:49 – Collapse of the “boomer mind matrix” and deep state party critique
• 95:18 – Open calls: Protestantism, wokeism, and civil religion
• 103:04 – Discussion of Puritans, Anabaptists, and secularized holidays
• 123:18 – Texas politics, the Wilkes brothers, Daily Wire, oligarchic media
• 129:08 – The angel of the Lord, Christology, and ancient languages

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Tone and Style

Jay Dyer maintains his trademark blend of high-concept philosophical and historical insight, sardonic humor, and offbeat pop culture riffs. The episode swings between scholarly exposition and irreverent banter, moving seamlessly from references to deep church history to parodies of modern internet culture and recurring inside-jokes about his thick thighs and "wigger" rap persona.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode is a strong encapsulation of Jay’s approach: serious research and sharp cultural critique, overlaid with irony, memes, and improvisational wit. Deep dives into ecclesiastical and geopolitical entanglements are balanced with meta-commentary about podcasting culture, conservative and progressive ideological foibles, and the ongoing saga of "who controls what" in church, media, and politics.

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[End of Summary – Key content concludes around 134:00, with open call dialogue in progress.]

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This could be anywhere from two two hundred thirties into the three hundreds. But I thought it was interesting that we already notice in the 2002, it would appear the usage of liturgical vestments. So you'll notice here in the Canons of Hippolytus used in the Eastern churches. I'm not exactly sure why it's attached to Saint Hippolytus, who was the Pope of Rome in the 200s. But Canon 37 says when the bishop celebrates the Holy Communion synaxis, the holy priests or presbyters who stand beside him should be clothed in white. So you'll notice that they're already utilizing at this time vestments. And this is of course relevant because vestments are not a late development or natural occurrence given the continuity of the Old Testament with the New Testament in terms of the Church, this is just one amongst many, many examples of sort of hidden gems that you find in canons. And although Western Christians tend to automatically default, typically, whether they're Protestant or Catholic, to thinking only about what this or that church father said, really, it's the canons that are even more interesting in this regard because they signify something more common than one single church father or saint. Even if they were an important bishop. Canons are the mind of an entire region, synod, etc. So I just thought that was interesting. There's also some very fascinating treatises in Saint Hippolytus that are partial preterist. So even in the early, early days of the church. And Hippolytus is a fascinating character because he was I think for a time considered a, an anti Pope, but ended up being a good Pope through a series of controversial events. Yeah, so this is very early. This is 165 to 2. Basically the pope during the year, you know, around 200. So we're very early in church history. Right. We're 200 A.D. and there's the, the controversy over Saint Hippolytus of Rome and who's the authentic successor to the bishopric of Rome. And you'll find pretty consistently in the works and the writings of Saint Hippolytus various lists of Roman bishops. Right. And this is still repeated in the, in the Roman Catholic liturgy to this day. Linus, Cletus, Clement, etc. It's part of the liturgical tradition in the Western, the Latin Rite. But these canons are used by the Ethiopian churches, I think even still to this day, not advocating for their theological errors, just pointing out that as one of the historic lineages, even though they're in schism, you can see in their ancient canons called the Canons of Hippolytus the same idea because. And I think you guys are going to know, this is just one little gem I wanted to drop before the David Wood debate, which will be coming up in Orlando sometime this summer. Forget the exact date, maybe late late summer, early fall or something. But so I'm sure many of you are wondering, what podcast did he go on? Well, if you look at the blessed thumbnail that I made, once again, my thumbnails are becoming more and more legendary. I would say, if I, if I do say so myself, we have several clues in this pot. In this, in this thumbnail, we see a Tony Soprano character. So perhaps I went on a Mafia podcast. Perhaps I was back on. No can be that, because there's no Mafia podcast. That's one of the biggest in the world. Unless we're talking about Ben Shapiro and the Israeli Mafia podcast. Just kidding. We see Nicholas Cage. Could that be a clue? Was I on the. The Cage pod? Was I on Cage Rage together with Nick in studio, fulfilling one of my bucket lists of hanging out, chilling with Nicholas Cage? Perhaps I was on with Hawk Tua. Perhaps I'm there to help revitalize and reinvent and rebrand talk to a and so they brought heavyweights such as myself on. Perhaps I was on RuPaul's Drag Race feeling sassy. Perhaps I was on Beyonce's podcast fighting it out with my fellow bipoc divas. Perhaps I was on Call Her Daddy, as you see here, the ambiguous faced blonde woman here who is the host of Call Her Daddy Gross podcast. Perhaps I was there. But I want you guys in the chat. You get to figure out, get to guess. Many people are saying Theo Vaughn, Joe Rogan, Tucker, Sean Ryan, pbd. Perhaps I was on Girls Gone Bible. Perhaps I was on Girls Gone Wild and I was flexing my yogurt pants in my of account where you can watch me dancing in my yogurt pants. Perhaps I was on with Ali Beth Stuckey and I'm reverted to evangelicalism. And that's a big announcement that I'm going to announce to you guys. They're a little curveball aid. Well, I'm gonna leave it up to you all to keep speculating. Perhaps I was on with Maton, although I wouldn't say Matan's is one of the biggest out there. So perhaps I was on with Howard Stern and it was actually the year 1999 and we were talking about strippers and gross things. Perhaps, perhaps. Perhaps I was on with Mark Levin and we were discussing Boomer Cold War stories and regaling one another with our triumphant IDF Mossad operations. Perhaps I was on with Sean Hannity and we were discussing I don't even know what Sean Hannity. I don't know if I've ever seen a Sean Hannity show. So whatever boomer neocon Sean Hannity talks about, maybe I was on there talking to him. Maybe I was on. Maybe it was 2005 and I was on Glenn Beck on CNN. People don't remember that Glenn Beck used to be on CNN. Maybe I was on with Bill Riley O'Reilly and I said, funk it will do it live. Come on now. We love Jamie Kennedy, you guys, but Jamie Kennedy doesn't have one of the biggest podcasts out there. Yeah, you guys are, because they're overthinking things a little bit. But I will say this about the podcast. It was fun because we didn't actually talk about all the stuff I figured we'd talk about. I was sort of kept a little in the dark on what the topics would be and that ended up being a good thing. I really enjoyed that because I think it made for a fresher, more on the spot improv podcast. And I love doing it. Improv stream of consciousness on the spot. That's just pretty much how we. I love to do that. That's how we do things. So I prepared quite a bit beforehand, which never ends up being a bad thing anyway, because all the material that I prepare really hard for ends up being content for you guys anyway. Right. So, like, going there on the airplane, I'm, like, trucking through these books. Coming back, I'm trucking through these books. But we didn't end up really talking a whole lot about the stuff that I was like, you know, cram test, you know, final exam, preparing for. And it worked out fine because all these other subjects were, I think, you know, I'm not saying it just because it was, you know, exciting and all that. I think this will probably be. I think you guys are really going to enjoy this podcast. I mean, this podcast was. I want to. I don't. I didn't check the clock because I was really into it, but I want to say felt like two and a half hours. It might get kind of edited down to two. I don't know. I mean, I took like, a bathroom break, that kind of stuff. So I. It might end up being two. It might be two and a half.

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We.

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We covered everything, but we were very heavy on certain topics that you guys, I think, are going to resonate with. And I don't recall. I'm trying to think of the last time I did a podcast. This sort of philosophically meaty and heavy and dense. I don't even remember the last time we did a podcast like that. So I think this one's gonna be. I think the audience is gonna. Is gonna really enjoy it. Tried stacking in quite a few impressions. Some of my impressions kind of were missed, like, who's that? But that kind of makes for also a little bit of fun because sometimes when the person, you know, the host doesn't really get, or your guest doesn't get your impressions, it actually makes it kind of awkward and fun because they're sort of like they're wondering why you just started talking in some other voice. Like, maybe you're schizophrenic or something, or you've got issues, or, like, does the person have Tourette's? Does he start suddenly just ejaculating other people's voices like he's got some kind of issue or. And then you have to explain who you're impersonating, which then ends up being its own little awkward version of funny. But it was. It was an adventure, for sure. I believe this drops Monday. I'm not 100, sure. But going from memory, from what the producer said, I think they said Monday. So you guys are going to enjoy when this drops. It's going to be. All over the place. All over the place. But that's actually good because that means there's like 10 different topics that can be clipped into little, you know, 10 minute, ish segments, I would guess. So that's probably better for, you know, various algorithmic things. So I don't want to say too much more about what we talked about because it might give it away. And I want everybody to keep guessing and, you know, whispering. I've already been on Piers Morgan twice, you guys, three to three times. So it's not. It's not Piers Morgan. And a lot of people think that I went on the View. Look, all of that older gossip about me and Whoopi Goldberg and the sexting, I've already addressed it. I've already done my public repentance and humiliation because, you know, I shouldn't have engaged in that. She started. Has to do with the thickness of my thighs. My thunder thighs. I have triple C level thick thunder thighs. They're birthing hips. They're sexy. I don't, I mean, sort of a. It's a thorn in. In the flesh that I've had to deal with. And so a lot of women find this very appealing. They go crazy, some might say. So I've already addressed this and I'm not going to address it again. So, no, I did not go on the View due to the sex scandal with Whoopi Goldberg that never actually came about. But I was scheduled to be as actually a regular on the View. I was going to be there. One bipoc diva, white, black person on the View. For diversity's sake, they were thinking of expanding to having wigger analysis as well. That led to the sexting scandal. And so that just never came about. So no, it's not the View. I can go ahead and quell your questions about whether I went on the View was not the View.

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I personally think there was a lot of jealousy between Joy Reid, you know, her feelings for me, Whoopi Goldberg's feelings for me. They needed a sassy ed, you know, wigger conservative to be on there. Anyway, I do want to give a shout out to the Memphis rap scene. I think the timing of my Memphis rap album coming out with this big interview when it drops, perfect timing. We. We set that up with the label. Shout out to Three 6 Mafia. Shout out to Juicy J. Shout out to Project Pat. Shout out to Kingpin Skinny Pimp. My Memphis Rob album will drop Monday as well. So tear the club up, Wigger. Tear the club up. We did have a funny discussion about my Wigger appearance on Piers Morgan at this. At this podcast. I don't think it came up during the podcast, but I think it came up in discussions. I like how everybody is recommending all of the not biggest podcasts that are out there. Like, he went on coast to Coast. Yes, I went on coast to coast to triangulate my Boomer conspiracies because the aliens are after me. So definitely it's. Yeah, you guys are right. Totally, 100%. You already guessed it. I went on coast to Coast. Does coast to coast still exist? I don't even know if it exists. It's not a podcast, though. It's. It's Boomer radio. What are you guys even talking about? Bill. No, I didn't go on Bill Ma. I would go on Bill Maher, but I don't. I doubt I would get invited on Bill Maher.

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I don't know.

[Jay]

But I called him from a pay phone to George Norian, told him that the aliens were triangulating me. John, what's up, man? What's on your mind, son? By the way, I did get, as I've told you guys, quite a bit of air time in airplanes, which I hate. And I got really far into Vatican Spies, so I'm pretty much halfway into that. And I am almost done with the Rothschild's biography by Morton. Wow, what a Game of Thrones level biography. The Morton book was. That one was way more interesting than I expected. The Vatican Spies book is really good, to be honest with you. The first half deals with Vatican espionage in the first half of the 20th century. It's a little boring to me. So we're getting up into The Cold War, that's much more interesting to me. But the tiny mustache man era of espionage and the Vatican, it's interesting. It's just not the most interesting. And it kind of didn't really go anywhere. There wasn't a whole lot to it. There's a little bit with Stepanic and the Ustasha and that kind of stuff, the so called rat lines, which is a little more of a complicated story than, you know, sort of normies think of the Vatican rat lines. But there is some truth to that, so I will be getting into that. It's just that really, the Vatican espionage stuff doesn't get interesting until Bill Donovan, William Colby and James Jesus Angleton. That's when it gets just off the hook.

[FDA]

Well, it doesn't. It doesn't get interesting until Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones become Vatican assassins.

[Jay]

Oh, yeah. That's the old days. That's the old days. By the way, I have. I learned the true story. I'm not gonna say what it is, but I learned the true story of Tiger Blood. So it was not what I expected it to be, nor is.

[FDA]

I just want. I just want to let everybody know. I already know which podcast Jay went. He told me before he even went on it. I'm gonna go ahead and say, was Red Scare.

[Jay]

Yes. The biggest podcast in the world. Dasha100.

[FDA]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I. I didn't feel it was fair. That was listening that you kept it from them any longer. I apologize to you.

[Jay]

Yeah. That's fun. I might, after going on this podcast, I might actually get invited on Red Scare because I remember years ago, I asked her one time to do an interview and she dissed me and then she later did do the interview. So I might get invited on Red Scare after this one. This. This one was. How can we put it? It's actually somewhat adjacent to Red Scare types of topics. And when you watch the interview, you guys will understand what I'm saying. But no, this was not a long term game. This was all a long term game just to get on Red Scare.

[FDA]

Right. But it was the long game to get on Red Scare also to get on barstool sports.

[Jay]

Yes. Port Nori was the port.

[FDA]

Knowing how much we know that you love sports ball.

[Jay]

Yes.

[FDA]

And that you're actually pivoting.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[FDA]

Into sports ball commentary. With the advent of the new world order game of soccer that's being.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[FDA]

Hoisted upon American.

[Jay]

Yeah. I'm gonna have a partnership with poly market for gay soccer teams because the future is gay. Soccer, so. Which is gay football. So, yes, that's where I'm going. And we're pivoting in that direction. And I need to get on with Dasha and Dave Portnoyd to make that happen. So John has spilled the entire branding game plan that we have. And.

[FDA]

And also one more thing I want to point out is that they are actively reinventing history, rewriting history to make people think that. Because obviously, you and I been friends for a long time. We know that, you know, we don't. We don't like sports ball anymore. We both, like, used to like sports ball when we were kids.

[Jay]

Yeah, but.

[FDA]

But they're actively trying to rewrite history to make people think that, like, everybody always likes soccer.

[Jay]

I know.

[FDA]

Nobody, Nobody likes soccer in the 80s. Just so all you millennials and zoomers and. No, nobody likes soccer ever.

[Jay]

And they're doing it as a marketing thing because, for example, in Nashville, it's Reese Witherspoon who has a whole bunch of money behind the Nashville soccer team that they're bringing in. And by the way, it's actually more than that. It's also a tool of globalization. People don't realize that the reason that they push these types of things, not just to make money, it's not just social engineering, it's also part of globalization. If you can have gigantic international sports type things, because then we're no longer thinking of nation states and people groups or whatever. We're actually thinking, oh, we're all a global, you know, gamified society. And it's. It's. We're playing Brazil. Right. We're playing the E. Europe, and we're playing. Yeah, it's to make it globalized, because sports has been NFL. Right. National Football League. Right. National Basketball League. Well, now you're gonna get the global gay sports soccer leagues. So that's why people miss that aspect.

[FDA]

If you ever see a soccer game, there will always be UNICEF banners.

[Jay]

Exactly. Exactly.

[FDA]

Yeah. It's all you. It's all United nations, it's all human trafficking or, you know, that type of stuff. I won't say it because I know you're on.

[Jay]

No, that goes on. It's also. There's also like soft power espionage stuff that goes on. That's why it was a huge deal when they had Sochi Olympics, because it was like, well, Russia's evil, so how can we have the Olympics there? It's. And then if they do it in China, it's like, oh, but see, China's good. And it's like, globalization's Good, because China's, you know, it ends up being this like element of soft power. There's also like you said, like the black market stuff that goes on. Yeah, it's just, it's the same with the Olympics too, so. But sports is all just social engineering now. Guys, look, this popped up because the Greek Orthodox and various other groups are doing these ecumenist virtue signaling events for Juneteenth and Kwanzaa or whatever the hell they're celebrating. I know Elpida Forest is a big, huge fan of all things Juneteenth and blm. He used to march with blm. And it's just sad that the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, which is such a slave to, you know, the American State Department power structure, the Archons, etc, that they, they continue to do this even though it's like nobody in the rest of the Orthodox domain typically wants this stuff. Right. Ecumenism is becoming more and more unpopular and that's why people are converting because they don't want that. They're leaving the sects that they were in that had already adopted all this ecumenism. But of course, the Orthodox world is not immune to all the same sorts of temptations, drama and, and, and global full court press to push this stuff. But the more that I read these biographies and these deep geopolitical texts, the more I come to see that ecumenism is largely, I think, a geopolitical tool. It's not just a foreign influence geopolitical tool with entities like the World Council of Churches and all that kind of stuff. That's a, that's a big part. But it's also a tool for domestic sort of influence through pushing the woke agenda. Right. I mean obviously these things are going to go together. If you're ecclesiologically relativistic, there's a really good chance that probably in your ethics and the rest of your theology you're going to be liberal or relativistic. And so we see these

[FDA]

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You had these meetings with Anglicans and Orthodox, you know, a long time ago that probably had a British imperial motivation behind it between Greek Orthodox and having these ecumenist meetings with Anglican bishops. But nowadays I think we can understand, especially if you listen to the talk that we did on the Matrokin archives and the battle that both the CIA and the KGB had to try to turn or use the World Council Churches to their own designs. The west wanting to use it as a means to condemn the Soviets, the Soviets and their infiltrators trying to use the World Council Churches as a means of pushing sort of Soviet ideas of what progressivism was. But now it's the Soviets don't exist anymore, they're gone. You do have, I guess perhaps elements of ecumenism within the Russian church, but it's not near as bad as most of the other places really. Ecumenism has kind of become the brand of Western Americanized so called Christianity. So it just infects everything. The whole presupposition is that there is no church. We're finding the church, we're all discovering the church. Nobody can say anyone else got it wrong or is is bad. There's no more polemics. We don't do apologetics anymore. It's all dialogue to discover a new future church, a new supra international reality. And when you understand the depths of the Cold War, and I'm not saying that I'm an expert in this, this is a subject though that I have gone very deep into and I intend to keep going much deeper into because more and more the suspicions that I have are further confirmed. So you know, for example, when we did the the academic text by Michael Graziano on the relationship of the CIA to religion in America in the 20th century, ecumenism played a huge role in that guy's text. And that guy's not particularly religious or an ecumenist he's an academic, probably a lib. I don't think he cares about some sort of theological agenda at all. But he's very hip to the fact that. Oh, wow. Bill Donovan, massive ecumenist. Oh, all the Jesuits, you know, recruited and used by the CIA via Fordham and Georgetown, et cetera. Oh, they're all just. All happening to be massive ecumenists pushing for all the reforms of Vatican ii. Oh, Gregory Baum, the gay Jewish guy who writes Nostratate. Lo and behold, shocker. Massive ecumenist. Right. So as we saw in the discussion, this was also what led John Paul to be such a rabid proponent of religious liberty. Because this was a major angle that was used during the Cold War as a way to kind of give the impression, or I'm not saying it was. It was all false. But to do ideological infowar against the Soviets was to say the Soviets are persecuting the natural rights that everyone has to total religious liberty. This is something again, in my younger days when I didn't really understand this kind of stuff, when I thought it was all just theology nerds battling it out of Vatican II and somehow the libs, because of the Jews, took over. It's a lot more sophisticated than that. It's actually that the American empire, its ethos, needed these entities to be forms of soft power during the Cold War to push Americanism to win the ideological battle of the Cold War. And so to do that, pretty much all of the religions in the west, whether it shows witnesses, whether it's a large portion of the orthodox world, whether it's, you know, John Paul ii, especially now, Paul VI was actually much more of an espionage operative than I thought, as was Pius xii, by the way. But it's sort of like it sort of grows in intensity in terms of the relationship of the Vatican to espionage in the 20th century. Pius XII worked in the Vatican's secret service prior to becoming Pope. I didn't know that Paul vi, way more interested in and involved in espionage than I suspected, even after reading many of the texts that we've read before about Gladio. And then John Paul II sort of takes it to the next level because of such a very, very close relationship to the CIA, because the CIA felt that he could really be one of the key ideological figures to help, quote, win the Cold War. Now, as you, as you guys know, doesn't mean the Soviets are good, doesn't mean the Communists are good. It just simply means that, you know, reality is not what we were told, what the boomers were told. It's a little more sophisticated. It's a little more of a controlled dialectic because you basically got. Yeah, Cardinal Spellman is a huge character in this. In fact, Spellman had a much more important role than I knew about. I mean, I knew he was kind of a corrupt figure and I knew he sort of liaison with different power players. I did not know that he was a, an informant for the FBI and he did missions for the oss. I didn't know any of that until Vatican Spies book which goes in when basically all of these books cover a lot of the same material, whether it's Ganzer's book or Williams's book on Gladio or God's Banker book or Vatican Spies or Wim Hof's book. But they all will kind of have these different foci that bring in other nuggets that the others don't bring in. Right? So like one book will talk about Cardinal Spellman in passing, whereas another book will say, oh, he's actually doing all this, this, this. You're like, wow, Spellman was like a huge, you know, Cold War player, bigger than I knew about. Liaison between all these different things. So that also again, is a huge, huge thing. So shout out to whoever was mentioning Cardinal Spellman in the chat because he's definitely a significant character throughout multiple chapters in the Vatican Spies book.

[FDA]

So

[Jay]

the, the good thing too about Vatican spies, it's only 20th century that I also did get two other books on Vatican espionage that we'll be covering as well. And we are going to cover Ostrovsky's Mossad book. We are going to cover because the Roman Catholics all he does talk about Vatican. No, I talk about that because not many people talk about it. But we will also talk about these other topics too. I don't think any of this, by the way, came up in the big interview. So I was over here cramming for all that. Like, I don't think any of that came up. Maybe a brief in passing. But anyway, we're not going to talk about that tonight unless you guys want to talk about it because it is open calls. You guys are welcome to bring in any topic that you want within reason because of course we are on YouTube so we have to abide by certain restrictions. As you guys probably all know,

[FDA]

there's

[Jay]

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[Jay]

There was actually an Orthodox priest I'm not familiar with Father Daniel. I don't think I know a Father Day. I don't think this is the same one though. But I saw this comment come through that I thought was really good too, that, you know, a lot of these sort of ecumenist bishops, they're also the locus of the people that don't like apologetics. They're the ones that don't like what we do, bringing people to Orthodoxy because it's contrary to the ecumenist agenda. But as you can see, why would you be against people converting? Well, if you basically are a hired servant or a wage slave in the way that Jesus talks about the wage slaves, the people that don't actually care about the flock, you're really just an appendage of the State. As unfortunately many of these bishops are really just adjuncts of the State Department or the State. Their job is really to ensure that the, the Church just either continues on as a business or as an ethnic community or as a form of American soft power. That's all they really care about. So it's not about converting American Orthodoxy. And so, and as I'm sure many of you know, many bishops, many priests everywhere, right. Are unfortunately compromised. They are bought off, they are blackmailed. And, and this shouldn't be surprising to anyone given the fact that even the boomers know that the Soviets were very adept at this during the Cold War. The NKVD had a pretty useful and effective method of doing this. They didn't end up winning the Cold War, but they were good at figuring out, okay, this bishop's gay, we got the dirt. So it's like, it's not that hard. Okay? This is the reality of how the world works. Not everything is as it's presented. That's, you know, we're not normies around here. So. So when we see, for example, when I see priests speak out like this, it's very encouraging because he's actually just calling out the fact that we do have these bishops that are just awful that will pray and do these services with so called Anglican women bishops that don't exist. They have these giant meetings. Here's Elpidoforos with some lesbian bishop and a bunch of Roman Catholics. I don't know who these people are. This looks like the Anglican, the fake Anglican wandering bishops. Again, here's some bishop with some Anglican lesbian woman bishop. Here's some more of these wandering bishops weirdos. If you don't know about the wandering bishops phenomenon, this is, it's its own whole thing. We've covered it some in the past with regard to the world of the set of a contest. But the world of wandering bishops is a very sad world. I feel bad for the people that get involved in that. Having myself been at one point involved in set of a contest circles. You, you, you really are just dealing with a domain of spooks, kooks and crooks. That's unfortunately what the whole wandering bishop world is. Not a whole lot different from the above ground world of the real bishops, but it's perhaps even more wacky and insane. You have a lot of people with mental problems, mental illness, weirdos, degens, creeps, con men, people who create their own so called orthodox churches as we saw with this. I don't even know what this is. I think I have heard of this though the American Orthodox Catholic Church. Because if you get deep into the JFK stuff, I'm not, we're not going deep into the JFK stuff tonight. But pretty much all of the, the authors will at some point touch upon the fact that David Ferry of JFK fame was a big mover and shaker in the world of the wandering bishops or the Episcopal vegantes. And he's not the only one. But this is also relates to Manson because Manson was friends with Robert de Grimston and the. Grimston was formerly a Roman Catholic priest that became, you know, the process church cult leader guy. So there's overlap with Manson as well with some of these groups. But let me show you who I'm talking about with David Ferry. And yes, David Fairey was a gay dude. Shocker. His name's Fairy. I know that's hard to believe, but David Ferry was a gay dude who was involved in the anti communist right wing circles and I'm just giving him one as one example.

[FDA]

Right?

[Jay]

There's, there's plenty of these oddballs and weirdos in these, these circles. Another thing you'll realize too is like a lot of the wandering bishop world, it ties into the, the spy World. A lot of these people are spies or they're informants. But. But the most interesting aspect of David Ferry is when you get into. His relationship to the mafia. Carlos Marcelo, who is of course the New Orleans head of the New Orleans Mafia. I wanted to see in here where it talks about the wandering bishops, because I know it's in here. And a lot of these groups, by the way, they'll like, they'll change their name. So they'll be like the Holy American North, Holy Orthodox Church of North America. Hakna. I want to say that that was what David Ferry was involved in. And some of these groups, by the way, will sort of disappear and they'll just rebrand as oh, now we are actually part of the true Orthodox Church or the, you know, super duper set of a church now or whatever. David Ferry was involved with Wandering bishops. This is the independent clergy part of schismatic microchurches. They claim to have a valid apostolic succession decades later. Yeah, here it is. This is. And this, by the way, this is not a conspiracy theory. This is in the National Archives. Okay, so here's the declassified National Archives of David Ferry and his connections to the JFK assassination. It notes that he was consecrated by the American Orthodox Catholic Church. Oh, lo and behold, that's exactly what we have with. Is that who this group was? Yes, the American Orthodox Catholic Church. So these are fake bishops. They get their degrees just like they get their sort of religious titles from diploma mills or bishop mills, sometimes they're called. You may have heard, for example of Archbishop Ngo Din Took, because amongst the set of a contest, there are these rival lines of so called apostolic succession. There's the Tuke line of apostolic succession. And a lot of the set of a contest trace their lineage from Archbishop Ngo Dentuk, which fascinatingly at the time of Vietnam was not a trad cat. He was actually a liberal and he worked with the CIA during the Vietnam War. That's on record in Douglas Valentine's book. So we have a direct connection between Archbishop Tuke and the CIA. We also have another suspicious phony character, Malachi Martin, at the end of his gigantic keys of this blood book, which is basically just a giant propaganda book. Malachi Martin says at the very end predicting that there will be this gigantic sort of schism of set of a contest. Now technically, yes, when he wrote that book, there were some set of accounts, groups that existed in the, in the early 90s, but traditional Catholicism was not as big of a movement as it was, by the way. Martin also predicted that There would be a future motu proprio where they would try to bring back the Latin Mass or allow it. That's exactly what Benedict XVI said and did. That has of course all been reversed post Francis and Leo. Just interesting tidbits that shows you that a lot of this stuff is planned way ahead of time. Of course, Normie, Roman Catholics don't know any of this. They don't care about this. They have no idea what they're getting into. They think that, you know, well, they're all good guys in Rome and they just want the best for the church and. Well, no, dude, this is a gay mafia, man. They don't want the best for you. I mean, you're talking about an actual like gay dude who's involved in the, the, the. By the way, old Catholics are also a big part of this. Let's talk a little bit about that right now. Just because people don't know this. I mean, you got, you've even got people writing essays here. The old Catholic plot against jfk. I mean, it wasn't actually old Catholics. It's like just these tiny little schismatic groups. That are known in the Latin term as the episcopi vagantes, Latin for the wandering bishops or the straight bishops. This is a person consecrated secretly or irregularly as a bishop outside of canon law. So this can happen in the Roman Catholic world, the Orthodox world, the schismatic, you know, Coptic world. It can have, it can happen anywhere. You can have also Anglican wandering bishops. So it's a fascinating subject. It's, it's. The more that you read and get into this kind of stuff, the less you would be inclined to go into set of aism or non canonical sorts of domains of these religions because there's just so many, just absolute lunatics. And then you, I think if you do get in this domain and you, you end up unfortunately down the rabbit hole in one of these groups, you eventually come to the point you're like, there's just no way that God's true church is amongst these schizophrenics. I mean, it's just, it's just not possible. I cannot believe that Jesus expects me to find the last remnants of grace and the keepers of the true, true flame amongst. Amongst a bunch of flamers, okay? And a lot of these people are actually just gay dudes. Literally. Okay? Like David Ferry. So enough on the wandering bishops. This I think is really the ultimate sort of kill shot for the whole set of a conscious world. This whole world is that. So we don't have to do five hour refutations of the Diamond Brothers videos like this is the world of the daimon Brothers.

[FDA]

Dude.

[Jay]

If this is the world that you want to go into, have fun with that.

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[Jay]

yourself and you will find out that I am absolutely correct. After several years of these domains, of these quacks, kooks and spooks, you'll notice here in the declassified National Archives, it's it. It says that David Ferry was made, quote, a bishop by John Martin in New Orleans, consecrated him and then he was later deposed by this. All these, by all these like fake little groups, these little trailer park groups, they will consecrate and depose and excommunicate each other every other week. So, you know, have fun trying to figure out this maze of lunacy amongst these people. If you actually go into this domain because you're all, it's worse than Protestants. Like this world. It's basically world, it's just Protestant.

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So

[Jay]

yeah, I do not. I think Malachi Martin was a total phony I read, I've read a lot of his books over the years and you know, nothing that Malachi Martin argues actually ends up making sense. If you and I read that whole. We did a whole podcast 10 years ago on keys of this blood. 700, 800 page book. Read the whole thing. Basically it just says, John Paul II is good, but he's surrounded by bad people and they're whispering in his ear and they're making him not be the trad that he really is, but he really is a good guy and deep down he's a trad. And by the way, it's the communists and Moscow are behind it. So that tells you right away that Malachi Martin is a mouthpiece of the CIA. 100. No doubt about it.

[FDA]

So

[Jay]

when I see this, this is, this is what is in my mind. This is fraud. Spooks, kooks, crooks. And it's not accidental that they're all woke up because again, I mean, the whole, a lot of those domain of the watering bishops is, is gay dudes. They're, they're download. I mean, dudes that, you know, because of their sexual proclivities, had a harder time being amongst, you know, normal quote, clergy, many of whom are also gay, but they found it easier to kind of do it their own way. Diy, Absolute succession. And by the way, they're not just gay dudes. We're also talking about like PDF type people, right? That's, that's the types of people running these, these sects. And they're very cult like too. You'll find them also to have all the traits of cults. So I feel sorry for people that get into these and go, go these routes. But. You may have heard of Gregory Baum, I want to remind you guys of this. Gregory Baum was the figure who helped to draft Nostratate. And it of course is the most notorious of the Vatican II documents, particularly in regard to the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church to the world religions. And of course it has the highlights that we've mentioned probably a thousand times in the last 10 years, conservatively. You know, Hindus love God, quote, unquote, Muslims, Christians, Jews, same plan of salvation, children of Abraham, blah blah, blah, Muslims, we love and adore them, blah, blah, blah, all the same stuff. Well, this guy, once his work was complete, well, he left the priesthood. He accomplished what he set out to do because they did draft the document, at least I would assume largely as he wanted it to be. And this has gotten so much traction, by the way, which is a good thing. Even Trent Horn was forced to address this in a recent video. Now, I don't watch Trent Horn videos. I haven't kept up with it. Been too busy going on large podcasts. But I will say this, this said large podcast is already very familiar with all of this and is not at all interested in the Vatican II religion. That wasn't because of me necessarily. Well, actually I did play a role in a previous installment of this person's podcast that dealt with Vatican ii and I did help some of the people who produced that podcast to get some of the information on that. So I did play a role in that, so to speak. But we did.

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We.

[Jay]

We only sort of touched on Vatican 2 in passing. We didn't spend much time on it. We didn't spend much time on this either. I thought this might be something we would talk about, but it ended up just not being the subject matter. But I do want to mention it because this was new to me. I have read, of course, you know, the Sutton material. When I was a research assistant in my grad work, before they gutted my library at my university, we had a pretty good historical, religious, philosophical, theological section. And I remember finding Warburg's diaries. We had a copy of Warburg's diaries, the banker Paul Warburg. And there were entries of letters that he had written to Lenin. And I will never forget. I read those letters and he was very much an adamant supporter of the Bull street revolution. So I knew that there was Rockefeller, Warburg, I want to say shift banking support. I know, yeah, I know. But Quigley debates that one. I do think that, that it's there though. But this I did not know.

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You can really have it delivered or pick it up. I think kid is walking up the slide.

[Jay]

Really. Autotrader, buy your car online. Really? I'm not surprised, but I just have not seen this. But on page 175 of the Morton's biography of the Rothschilds, he talks about the animosity that the Rothschilds and the English and European Jews had for the czars and for Russia, due to that strained relationship for many centuries. And so New Court, by the way, refers to in this passage the period when the Rothschilds began to be MPs and Lords. So it took them many years to get to that status, but they had eventually achieved so much wealth and a political influence that they were able to eventually become Lords and Members of Parliament. And so this was called New Court when they had this sort of high level of influence and they, they. But what's interesting too is that they weren't all libs. In fact, Nathan Rothschild or Meyer Amshaw Rothschild, I should say, and Nathan, they both figured out that there's. Because they had five. Meyer had five sons, and he sent them all throughout Europe and he realized that actually, I'm not going to have all conservative kids. I'm not gonna have all liberal kids. So what they did was they had conservative and liberal kids, and they would send the liberal kids to countries that were a little more liberal, and they would send the conservative kids to the countries that were a little more conservative. So these are not stupid people. There's a very sophisticated intelligence apparatus, people. This was the most fascinating element of the Rothschild's biography from Morton, which was that they really figured out how to create their own private intelligence network. And that's essentially what their banking empire was. They utilized a combination of German, Hebrew and Yiddish to speak in code that they never divulge to anyone outside of the family as to how to decipher the code. I mean, I'm sure some code nerd could probably break it nowadays, but at least back then, you know, people didn't take the time to try to figure it out. And there wasn't a whole lot of incentive to do it because anybody who kind of came against them, they would basically just buy them off. So they had that much money. So by the time that Lord Rothschild, the one in England, had achieved status as Member of Parliament, I can't remember this might be before he's a lord. But he called attention to the tensions in Russia prior to 1917. This is virtue was its own reward. Because in 1917, when the czarist treasury defaulted on loans because of the Russian Revolution, the Rothschilds were not as hard hit as other banks, particularly banks in Europe and in England were. Virtue is also not always its own reward. When the short lived democratic government floated a liberty loan in St. Petersburg, new court, that is the Rothschild's element of the British court immediately telegraphed 1 million rubles to Lenin. Naturally, this was never repaid in one single bit from Lenin, whose government then followed. Natty was buried by then, but he had buried, meaning he was dead by this time. But had he lived, he would have written off that million rubles as part of his good works. And then it goes on to talk about them running basically the British Red Cross and founding a bunch of hospitals and, you know, charity organizations. So they had figured out a long time ago, by the way, not just that you can set up these sort of foundations, fronts, charity organizations, but they'd also figured out that, you know, political revolution is very advantageous at many levels. So I did not know that Lord Rothschild had funded linen with 1 million rubles, although I did know about Rockefeller, Warburg and Schiff.

[FDA]

So another little aspect is there's a book called the Dark side of Power and it's about Armin Hammer.

[Jay]

I didn't know about Armin Hammer. Yeah, I knew about him.

[FDA]

Yeah. And Armin Hammer's brother, his name was Victor. And in that book they say that Victor was the one who delivered the money from the shifts to. Oh wow. So I've only seen it in that book. I just wanted to mention that as a little side note. But yeah, Arm and Hammer. Who's Army Hammer's grandma?

[Jay]

I'm gonna say Army. Yeah, Army Hammer is all over Twitter because of all the craziest I've ever seen. Apparently Warski is going. Was supposed to interview Armie Hammer for his movie that is posted on X. This is just like timelines and people are overlapping in the craziest ways that I've. Yes, Andy Warski is going to interview Armie Hammer about his movie. I don't know if that actually happened, but I saw that on Twitter yesterday. I was like, what is happening? What is going on? Anybody?

[FDA]

Yeah, his grandfather who was like a Jewish Russian oil baron who somehow was allowed to deal with both Russia and the US during the time of communism when alleged, allegedly communism is the biggest evil on the planet.

[Jay]

Right.

[FDA]

And. And his brother was the one in this book they claim to deliver the money to. From the shifts to the. To Lenin.

[Jay]

That's crazy. Maybe I got trolled. Maybe Warski was joking. But did he have Armie Hammer on Kino Casino? Let me see. Oh, maybe I got it wrong and I was thinking Kino Casino, but it's Kino Corner, who is a. I think I met this dude one time.

[FDA]

Trying to remember.

[Jay]

Yes, I did. I know this guy. Okay, so my. My mistake. I was getting Kino Casino mixed up with Kino Corner. So I've seen most of your films.

[FDA]

I've watched a lot of them.

[Jay]

Yes. I met this dude in Austin. He's like a big movie buff dude, the Kino Corner guy. So still just as weird, even though it's not. I guess that makes a little bit more sense than Warski because he's a big film buff guy. But yeah. So he interviewed Armie Hammer and Ue bowl, who directs a lot of these kind of weird movies. But I'm guessing the idea here was, let's test out premiering movies on X. And if I. I want to say was, Did Elon post this movie? This is a very bizarre development here. Did you guys seen this? That supposedly. Maybe I'm getting trolled. So you never know what to believe when you see these posts, like, because there's so much fake. No, here it is right here. So Elon premiered the movie Citizen Vigilante, which stars Armie Hammer. I don't know what the movie's about, but I'm guessing that this is right, like, the first time we've seen a movie premiere via X, or at least that I'm aware of. So really, really wild stuff going on out here.

[FDA]

Just.

[Jay]

Just crazy level stuff. But I know that the Kino Corner guy has visited Orthodox churches because when we went to Austin, he came to my event. Oh, yeah. He filmed BG Comeby doing BG stand up at my event. When Scooter was there to film me for the tuck show, Keno Corner came to film BG Combi. And he was telling me when we were eating afterwards, he was like, oh, yeah, I've been checking out Orthodox churches. I don't know if he converted, but he's. He's definitely a mega film buff dude. By the way, Trump, man, what a character. Trump is the boomer. I've decided Trump is just if. If boomers have an archetype, it's Trump. Trump is the archetype of the boomer. Today. I just thought this was funny. He's like, the communists are finally making their move. I've been waiting and preparing. It's easy to be a communist. You just say, I'll give you everything, but that means that you're taking it from other people. For a thousand years. Communism hasn't worked. Now what is he talking about, a thousand years? I mean, communism is older than a thousand years. So I mean, it goes back to like, as you say, Plato, but like, that's older than a thousand years, Trump. And who was the. Who is the communists of a thousand years ago ago that Trump's even talking about here? So this. So this is such. This is like the ultimate boomer post where it's like the entire Internet is talking about Israel and, you know, America's relationship to Israel. And then Trump comes in with like peak boomer going back to the Cold War and talk about the communists are taking over. Granted, yeah, there is mom, Donnie, I get it that, you know, there are these elements of socialism, communism. And yes, I know that technocracy is Fabian socialism, and that's kind of a form of communism. But it's like, this is post is so just freaking boomer, dude. It's crazy. Like, I couldn't resist the boomer levels. This is like boomer level infinity, right? Because it's like as if we're still in the Cold War. The Cold War is this eternal thing that you can always refer back to for the boomers, right? It's like last resort, right? When everything else is pointing, 99% of everything else is pointing another direction. The boomer can still say, but the Cold War.

[FDA]

We were in the Cold War with

[Jay]

Moscow and the Soviets. That's not my Trump, by the way. That's just a random boomer. And yeah, you work hard to keep

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Delivery available on qualifying orders. So also, everyone's making a big deal of the Tucker discussion with that Protestant dude. I did want to comment on this just because the entire X was discussing this. I do disagree with some of the points that Tucker has when it comes to Islam. I suspect that when people feel like, you know, the neocon stuff that they believe for so long is not true, the tendencies and then jump to sort of the opposite position. I did this myself in the 2000s and 2010s after I learned about the Big Nine event. No longer believe the official story about that. My immediate assumption was, oh well, I guess Muslims were all of the, you know, they were all sort of patsies and they were were tools and dupes and they were, you know, the scapegoats. I didn't like Islam or ever become Muslim, but I didn't know about Islam. I didn't know the history of Islam. We didn't even get into that until, you know, as you guys know, 201718 when we started doing the Muslim debate. So. And of course, I'm still not saying I'm like an expert on Islamic history or anything like that, but I do know that what the the J.D. hall guys said, oh, the, the Ottomans were nice to Orthodox and they like let him be or whatever. That's not really true. It's actually, you have centuries of Ottoman dominance of Orthodox lands and it's all over the place. There's periods when they were flaying people alive, like stripping their skin off. We have icons commemorating these events. There was periods of ethnic cleansing of Bulgarians, of Greeks, as well as the Armenian genocide, the young Turks, all that kind of stuff.

[FDA]

So.

[Jay]

But there were also periods in what's called the millet system for those that don't know it really kind of, it seems to me. And again, I'm not an expert in this area of history. I have had some courses and read some books on it, but it Seems as if it kind of depended upon the Sultan and it depended upon what was going on. So if history, Greeks or Bulgarians whoever, if they revolted against their Ottoman ruler, then there would be a horrible response. Now when they were tolerated in the Miller system under what's called the ethnarch, and this is part of what contributes to some of the ethno quote unquote philotism in the Orthodox world is that some of these areas, especially Greece, they were under a forced ethnarch policy of the Ottomans. And so again it depended on the Sultan. Some of the sultans were, would take little boys and put them in their harems and turn them into janissaries. Some of the sultans were more tolerant, but even in the tolerant periods you were Orthodox, were second class citizens. They were not supposed to proselytize, they were not supposed to. They could only do the services and build churches under certain restrictions and they had to pay the jizya. So which is the tax, the Muslim tax to the, you know, non believers or the so called people of the book. So it depended on the Sultan's swing. The Sultan of Swing. Exactly. So, so there's some truth and some bull crap in what, whoever. I don't even know who J.D. hall is. I have no idea who that person is. So I know that he went on Tucker and they had that discussion, but I don't know who this, who that dude is. I'm guessing he's some sort of Protestant. Is he a pastor or. I don't know. But it is not true that it was like hunky dory, but it's not true that it was like always, you know, total torture or whatever. So. And even the Salafis, for example, they didn't like the Ottomans because they went through the British Empire, used the Salafi Wabi groups against the Ottomans because they felt that the Ottomans weren't real Muslims, that it was just a tool politics for them. So that's why you would have these varying levels I think of how seriously Islam was enforced by whatever sultan. So, and I'm not a history of the sultans, so I can't tell you all the different ones. I know Mehmet was particularly bad, I know he, he was pretty bad against the Orthodox. But I can't tell you all the histories of the various sultans. I do know about janissaries, I know about all that. But we had a huge viral interview with Lord Voldemort and Tucker that went pretty viral. Tons and tons of clips everywhere. So one that had like 10 million views, I think. I don't know if I shared that one. But that was interesting because it was like an hour long discussion where it's kind of difficult to disagree with just the basic principles that Tucker laid out. If, even if you're a boomer, because, you know, I mean, probably people know Tucker's dad was Daily Caller, he was, you know, Voice of America, all that stuff. And so he grew up in the ethos of the neocon, you know, conservative, you know, friendly, adjacent to the White House type lifestyle. And then eventually, you know, for a lot of people, the big nine event, you know, tends to really sort of put cracks in that paradigm. If you begin to question the big nine event, that happened to me, right? I was raised, you know, Baptist GOP conservative and then, you know, getting into issues around 911 really got me kind of questioning my, you know, Baptist GOP attitudes that I was raised with was not to say that I'm some sort of liberal now, but far from it.

[FDA]

But

[Jay]

really I think it, it's, it was a huge catalyst for putting people down the pathway of questioning all sorts of, you know, status quo type positions that we were raised with, especially the relationship to Israel, the relationship to, you know, Russia during the Cold War, all of these things. The boomer mind matrix, you know, who the villains of World War II were, etc, the boomer mind matrix has begun to collapse even to the effect that. And again, the same people pushing a lot of what we hear that's everybody thinks is ridiculous. Well, those same people were the same people pushing the big nine narrative. They were the same people pushing the Russia collusion hoax. They were the same people pushing the stabbies, you see. And as part of her leaving her job, Tulsi Gabbard declassified, I guess whatever was going on from internal stuff with the Russia collusion, which we already all knew was fake. It was made up fake. Yeah, I said it like day one, I was like, this is just classic neocon propaganda. And the same people push that, push Russiagate, by the way, who are supposed to like, you know, Trump people now like Mark Levin and Shapiro and the, the never Trumper people, right, who are now mad at Trump because he's not toeing the line, at least verbally like he's supposed to with Israel. He's met everybody mad in the last few days over the Israel comments, bitching about it. Once again, this points to a supra party power structure, a bureaucracy of intelligence, deep state bureaucrats and above them, steering committee, banking, corporate oligarchs, who control the country. It's that simple. So we got to get over the fake conservative bull crap of Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, who tell us still there's no conspiracies. I don't get into giant conspiracies. It's not a giant conspiracy. It's literally just oligarchical control. I mean, that's not a conspiracy. That's just actually how we're governed. You see? So. Briefly, I don't think I've done a live stream since we had the interactions with Joe Heshmeyer, who was terribly offended that I didn't remember his name. Well, he has a weird name. Herschel. I thought it was like a Hersch Glyer. Herschel Meyer. So on some previous podcast I called him Joe, Joe Goober or something like that. That tremendously offended him. And when I asked if he would like to do a debate since he debated Doug Wilson, you can all guess what type of a response I got. You're a bad person. You're so mean. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now these same people in this con, the Cath Inc sphere, right, the so called conservative, neoconservative Roman Catholic world, we used to call them the neo Trads or the whatever, the Novus Ordo, so called trads, they will appear on stage with the worst people imaginable. It doesn't matter how crazy of a Muslim you are. It doesn't matter how crazy of a feminist, blue haired, destiny, erudite freak you are. They're all fine to debate. But the evil ortho bros who make a fat joke or this or that, they are the absolute worst. You cannot be platformed with these people, nor can you platform these people. Even though according to the theology of Shameless Joe here, we have much closer theology, according to Vatican 2 to him than Doug Wilson. So from the ecumenist vantage point, we're supposed to be like really close to him. Doug Wilson is like way over here. But he's fine to go do debates with Doug Wilson, you see. But if I say anything, of course, and it's just so played out, like it's like 10 years of the same responses of I would not platform you. I will not be seen on the. You are a evil, horrible person. You make fat Joe. It's. They suddenly turns into, into social justice warriors, right? They're all about mean speak. But by the way, they will then turn around and do all the same mean speak to the ortho bros. He, he literally turns around like New York bros. You're all fake and gay. Well, I thought it was evil to say people are faking gay, but now you turn around, do the exact same thing. Well, but see, it's justified when they do it. So it's the same old thing. Oh, and it's like, come on, dude, this is just cowardice. Like you're afraid. And by the way, like, I don't know what he's wearing here in his little Lord Fauntleroy outfit.

[FDA]

Here

[Jay]

in his jovial Renaissance Lord Fauntleroy outfit. But I mean, this is comedy on its own. So, like, these. These are not serious people, right? And he. And no, I'm. I'm not a serious person on purpose. I am seriously not a serious person. And I acknowledge that these people want to be seen as serious people. This person is so ridiculous. He also, by the way, will not debate Tim Gordon either. So it's not just me. He absolutely despises Tim Gordon. Will not debate Tim Gordon over. Because he. He has a form of Christian feminism, right? So just like Trent Horn, Joe Heschmeyer has the sort of positive Christian feminism view, and Tim Gordon really wants to debate him on that. But Tim thinks that. And I think this is probably true, Tim thinks that amongst the. The Cath Inc. People, the establishment sort of Catholic answers people, whether it's Trent Horn or him, they sort of are given orders of, like, who they can and can't talk to. Which is a little surprising because I didn't expect that Trent Horn would be willing to do the two debates with me in, I think, December, but he seems to be willing to do it. So. So yes, we're supposed to have two debates with Trent Horn in December. Two debates with David Wood sometime in October. I don't remember when. Somewhere. So Orlando in October. I think somewhere in there. Two debates with David Wood. So if you guys are looking forward to that, get your. Whenever the tickets are available for DebateCon in Orlando with David Wood and then DebateCon in Phoenix in December with Trent Horn. So. And then I think I will be at debatecon in a month in Dallas or Austin. I forgot Dallas, I think, to debate Muslims. And possibly. So suddenly I don't like my fake retirement. Somehow this suddenly led to, like, now everyone wants to debate, of course, except for Joe Heschmeyer.

[FDA]

So.

[Jay]

So now everybody wants to debate again, even though we have basically no debates for so long now. When I say everybody wants to debate, it's not anybody that you've heard of, except for Trent and David Wood, But I forget the Muslim, Waleed or Javajmi. Jajmi. I forget his name. Somebody forget the Muslim. But it was not a Muslim I was super familiar with. But it's not. There's no West Huff, there's no Mike Wingers, there's no Ruslan, there's no God logic, there's no ip. There's no Gavin Orland or Doug Wilson debates. Although I did tell somebody who asked again, would you debate Doug Wilson? Yeah, okay, fine. I'll debate Doug Wilson, sure. But I don't think Doug Wilson will do it.

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FDA in the House. Shout out to FDA. I'm sorry I've been yapping so long, I've been making a lot of people wait. So, Will, what's up, man? What's on your mind? Will?

[FDA]

Will.

[Jay]

Will Wheaton. Will Wheaton. What's the. What's happening? What's happening on. On deck with Riker and Picard. Hey, Jake, can you hear me?

[FDA]

Huh? Hey, there's a really good book I think you should read. Maybe you've read it, I don't know. It's by Joseph Bottom. It's called An Anxious Age, the Post Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of America. Have you heard of it?

[Jay]

I have not.

[FDA]

It's a really good book. It's actually written by a Catholic where he basically analyzes the poster children of the various mainline Protestant denominations and touches a little bit on like, low churches and whatnot. And basically. And it, it came out, I think, in like the 2000 and tens, like 2014. And he just explains like, where like the people who are descendants of these, like Episcopalians, you know, Dutch Reformed and all that. Like, what are they doing today? And the thesis of the book is that, like, all these people, they essentially have the exact same worldview as their ancestors. It's just they've removed the Christian elements.

[Jay]

No, this is. This is actually. If you read the Orthodox guy's book, GM Davis's book on Antichrist, he has a whole chapter that says that very thing. Yeah, he argues it's Antichrist by GM Davis, and he argues that the American Protestant Puritan ethic is actually the basis for social justice warriors.

[FDA]

Oh, yeah. No, 100%. Yeah. What's the name of the book? Rebecca Dill Hunty recommended me. That one.

[Jay]

You talking about the bottom book or the GM Davis book?

[FDA]

The Davis book.

[Jay]

It's just called Antichrist.

[FDA]

Basically, the Puritans.

[Jay]

Yes, it's called Antichrist. It's Father Heroes is published. It's Uncut Mountain. It's just called Antichrist.

[FDA]

Maybe not a different one. I need to. But there's another book.

[Host]

Okay.

[FDA]

That. That has that same kind of thesis that the modern kind of liberal and woke comes out of Puritanism.

[Jay]

I think it's this one. I mean, there could be another one. But Davis's book is called. The full title is Antichrist the Fulfillment of Globalization is the full book.

[FDA]

Ah, nice.

[Jay]

And it's just. I haven't read the entire book, but when I went directly to that chapter, because I thought that sounded fascinating, I read that chapter and it's somewhere early. I think it's early on, maybe in the middle of the book somewhere. But basically he's just saying that when they got rid of God and the theology, they kept this idea that you have to basically save the world through political, social, you know, programs.

[FDA]

Yeah, yeah. There's an interesting part where like, like all these kind of the usual suspects, right? And like the stereotypes we associate with these sort of people, like, like they do think that. I mean, even if they say that they're not religious, like, they do believe that, like, they are saved in a way. Right? Like where they. They know, like they're woke.

[Jay]

Right.

[FDA]

Like they, they're aware of all this, you know, the mean, evil, ugly, corporate Republican man, Ronald Reagan, Christian theocracy, you know, that's going to take over America and the world and whatnot. And they're, you know, they're, they're against that and so they're safe, you know.

[Jay]

Yeah, you know, that's a good point. That they're sort of like politically civilizationally saved because they have this idea that, like, white Democratic, Western liberalism I mean, white people, you know, shit, live white people is. Is the highest form of civilization that has to be exported to the rest of the world to, quote, save the world.

[FDA]

Yes, right. And they don't realize that like they're the same civilization as like the people that founded the country. And they view that civilization even though they don't realize that it's the same civilization. Oh, that's actually the worst. That's like the worst.

[Jay]

Yeah. So like. So like America. Yeah.

[FDA]

When they are whiters in America.

[Jay]

Well, it's like that you keep the city on a hill ideology, but you remove the theology and then it becomes a political project of political salvation and

[FDA]

also the fake moral pietism.

[Jay]

Yes. Oh, great point. Exactly.

[FDA]

Yeah. The book also talks about that quite a bit. Yeah. Because they're extremely moral.

[Jay]

Well, immoral, but like in their own.

[FDA]

Yeah. Like the morality. What are the.

[Jay]

For a liberal, like the greatest sin is racism. Right?

[FDA]

Greatest. And judging. Judging somebody. Yeah. It said the mortal sins are smoking and obesity.

[Jay]

Yeah. And we've been saying that.

[FDA]

Right.

[Jay]

Like that whole, that whole idea of American fundamentalist ideology. I don't smoke, don't, don't drink, don't chew. And I don't like people that do like, that's all. Yeah, exactly.

[FDA]

There's another book, it's written by Carl Truman, you know, the Westminster professor. It's called the Rise, the Rise and Triumph of the Modern Soul. That came out a couple of years ago. And that's like a similar thing, but he's doing it from kind of a quote unquote orthodox Presbyterian kind of viewpoint.

[Jay]

Interesting.

[FDA]

Now what's really interesting and ironic is that liberals are always crying about it's the puritanical sexual suppression. A revolution. I'd be like, but that's you. That's your guys. The Puritans were your not saying that, you know, those who aren't Puritans were open sexually, but that puritanicalism is wokeism. Oh yeah, yeah. Because it. The book talks about how like there was a shift away from like sit. Like, because like Puritans like sexual sins is like the worst thing ever. And it shifted from that into like these dietary things. Right. Like yoga chicks.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[FDA]

With. Oh yeah, I don't eat all this blah, blah, blah.

[Jay]

And it's like, well, that on the environment. Right. Oh, you're polluting the environment. So you're. You're doing social sins by, you know, eco terrorism. Exactly.

[FDA]

And notice too, wasn't it that Puritans as well. Now Puritans are Anabaptists. Right. Would we, class?

[Jay]

No. No, they're not.

[FDA]

No, they're separate groups. But the Anabaptists were part of this, too. That's why I'm mixing them.

[Jay]

They were like. So they had a very similar sort of ethic because both Puritans and Anabaptists

[FDA]

got a bit of holidays, holy days, and they replaced them with secular.

[Jay]

So if you go, no. Well, that was the Jacobins. So there's overlap, though, because pure. The Puritans did not believe in Christmas or Easter. They thought holy days were idolatry. But the Puritans did believe in a form of theocracy in the sense of, like, you know, God is the direct, you know, head of the government. That's the pure. That's the Cotton Mather type of view. Cotton Mather would try to make, you know, Christian laws for his. For his colony. But the Anabaptist, the only difference there is that while they shared a lot of the same sort of moral, sexual ethics of the Puritans, they believed that the state wasn't. It was a satanic institution. So the Puritans and the Anabaptists hated each other.

[FDA]

No, but what I'm saying is they're both the same in the sense that they replaced feast days, which is where we get holidays, holy days, with secular holidays.

[Jay]

The. You're right. The pure. The Puritans did not believe in holy days except that they were inconsistent because they thought that you had to keep the Sabbath and they thought that you could have Thanksgiving for whatever reason. So they actually did introduce their own versions of holy days.

[FDA]

And you can have Gunpowder Day and Juneteenth,

[Jay]

but if you talk. I'm just being overly nuanced here because fda, if you talk to a strict Calvinist, they'll tell you that, no, no, we don't believe in any holy days except for the Lord's day, which is the Sabbath and Thanksgiving.

[FDA]

Well, what I'm saying, they believe in holidays, and I'm saying holidays etymologically derives from holy days. And there was this being kind of switch on that to replace the holy day with secular days. Like, you know.

[Jay]

Well, that's. The Jacobins did that, you know.

[FDA]

Yeah, Civic religion. Civic religion, yeah. And that's why we have. Eventually, the connection I'm trying to make now. You have June. Juneteenth.

[Jay]

Right, yeah, yeah.

[FDA]

And we're all worshiping secular things because it was secular by the Puritans and the Anabaptists. Both were in on that movement.

[Jay]

Except that. I'm just saying that if you argue with a Calvinist Puritan, they will tell you, following the Westminster Confession, we do not allow or believe in any holy days. They're absolutely adamantly opposed to holy days except for the Sabbath. And they're inconsistent because they would say that Thanksgiving is allowed, so they don't celebrate Memorial Day. Well, they would just simply say that those are not religious days.

[FDA]

So what I'm saying is replaced religion.

[Host]

I know.

[Jay]

It becomes that. I understand. I understand. Yeah, yeah, it becomes that. I'm just saying that they will argue we don't support that, even though it does eventually become that. Because the Westminster Confession is very. We used to have debates over this, right? Because, for example, when I was at my Presbyterian church, our pastor was very adamant that you cannot celebrate Christmas or Thanks or Easter. And we then we had this argument at church where it was like, well, wait a minute. Don't we celebrate Thanksgiving? And his argument was like, well, the Puritans celebrated it because it's. There's nothing wrong with thanking God. And it was like, but you've made it a holiday. Holiday Holy day. So we had a huge debate over that. And he. And the whole thing was like, well, we're just in the West End of confession, which says you have basically the Lord's Day, which is Sunday, and then there's no other holy days. And so I notice you get this in jws, too. Exactly.

[FDA]

Y. There's another thing I wanted to say, Jay. I remember I brought up to you my Jewish lawyer lineage, right. With Carlos Marcelo. I actually. I talked to my grandpa about it, and. Oh, boy. Was it really just like that opening scene of National Treasure, if you remember that, when he's, like, talking to his grandpa.

[Jay]

Yeah, I remember that.

[FDA]

Yeah. So his. His grandfather or. No, sorry, my great. My great grandfather's father, he actually. He was born in the Ukraine when it was under the Russian Empire, and he actually fought in the Russo Japanese war.

[Jay]

Oh, wow. That's crazy.

[FDA]

Yeah, so. And I mean, obviously they were, like, forced to do it. And so he and a group of other, like, 20 Ukrainians or something like that, they were like, all right, screw this. We don't want to fight this war. And so they. They literally walked from one end of Russia to the other, essentially, to get back to home, and only three of them made it back.

[Jay]

Damn, dude. That's crazy.

[FDA]

Yeah, dude. Some of them.

[Jay]

I'm sorry.

[FDA]

I didn't.

[Jay]

I didn't mean to cut you off. I thought you were done. I didn't know you had more to say, but feel Free to come back in will if you want to. You know, it's funny because in the Vatican spies book, I've gotten up to the end of Cold War, or, excuse me, the beginning of the Cold War, the end of World War II. I didn't realize how. This is in the Metrokan archives section that we covered too. I didn't realize how useful Uniates were. Units were a massive element of Western espionage and soft power, especially through the Ukraine. And in fact, it went beyond even just the CIA. The Vatican actually trained its own Rusicum operatives especially. Many of them were Jesuits to essentially go into Russia to try to make them papist again. And you could imagine, of course, the CIA would be like, well, yeah, absolutely, we support that. So, well, it was. This was happening under. It happened under Tiny Mustache man and into the Cold War because Tiny Mustache man basically wanted to split Russia off. Excuse me, split Ukraine off strategically, for. For his own purposes. And that's why there's so many of the NEO in people in Ukraine, is because that's the old Galen tiny Mustache man networks. Right. So then when he lost World War II, the CIA folded all that into Western intelligence, including all the Ukraine networks, which were Reinhardt Galen's networks. And so then they just added into that the older Vatican strategy of sending Jesuits into Ukraine, into Odessa, into Kiev, into Russia.

[FDA]

Now, Jay, do me a favor. Now tie this all into Fatima real quick. I was actually thinking about. Some guy had called in about early, like on Alex Stream or something about Fatima. Anyways, just thinking about the conversations that we had about during. When was Fatima 40? Was it 4?

[Jay]

No, Fatima is prior to World War I.

[FDA]

Okay. So. Oh, I know what happened. They use that in the Cold world. A Cold world propaganda.

[Jay]

Yeah, it's. It was very useful in the Cold War. Cold War, Yeah. Yeah, because they. They said that, you know, Our lady was predicting, you know, all the errors coming out of Russia would infect the whole world. So. But I can tell you right here because I just read the Ukraine section. So the missionaries that were sent into the Ukraine were. The CIA actually funds the Vatican Russian Pontifical College. And this is. I think it's known as the Rusicum. So for those that don't know.

[FDA]

Right.

[Jay]

Like in Rome, like, the Vatican has a lot of these, and it doesn't have to just be in Rome, but they will have sort of specific institutes and organizations set up for certain areas or regions. So one of these was for Russia, the Vatican had the. It's called the Rusicum or the Russian College. Right. And so this is right here is actually founded by Pius XI right before Vatican 2 and all that. And this was a hub that not just the CIA but also French intelligence, all the Western intelligence agencies were able to utilize these Jesuits that were, that were trained to go into Russia. So at the, let's see in 19, from 1949 to 1958, according to the Vatican spies text, the first group that they sent, it says they sent like eight priests into Russia through Ukraine in the late 1940s from the Rusicum. So that's just one example. Right at the beginning of the Cold War, at the end of World War II, these were known as underground Uni8 priests. They helped to establish the, the Uni8 catacomb churches because you begin to have Stalin persecuting. There was one guy who was a Russian operative named Prince Turkul T U R K U L and he was actually a double agent. He was working for the nkvd. One of these operations you can look up is called Operation Minos M I N O S And the CIA wanted to use these Uni eights and Jesuits to push and, and to help put pressure on the NKVD and the fall of the Soviets. So they were already beginning right after World War II. They were already pushing for using religious groups. And if you, you didn't hear them analysis I did of the Matrokin text. But if you don't know Father Deegan, that's a, a bunch of Soviet documents that came out of the Soviet Union that were published. Most people believe they're authentic, so they're not. But if you remember when I did that interview with Metropolitan Jonah about the Russian church and how the Rush Church has a three tier or that Soviets had a three tier status of the bishops and priests.

[FDA]

Yeah, I remember.

[Jay]

Yeah. That comes out of the Metrokan archives text. The way that the KGB structured their operative or their active measures against the West. And so the Soviets saw the Vatican as basically just a tool for espionage. That was their perspective. So that's why they saw it very useful to use especially the uniates because uniates were already anti anti Orthodox because they were obviously aligned with the papacy. So the CIA saw them as a much more useful tool than just trying to recruit Russian priests or Russian bishops in Russia. It was a lot easier to send in and support Uniates. So that's not to say they didn't though. As you if you know when we covered the they had. There was a reformed Baptist pastor who was a working with CA British intelligence. There was Jehovah's witnesses were used as well in Russia. And the CIA supported the Catacomb Church not because they had beliefs aligning, but they were basically, you want to support any group that can be a problem for the Soviets. So since the Soviets had dominant influence, kind of like the Ottomans did. Right. We wouldn't say that the Orthodox churches under the Ottomans, oh, they were all evil, you know, Ottoman operatives. Well, in the same way, not everybody in the Russian church was a member of the kgb, as we saw from the archives. They mainly focused on very important bishops. They didn't really care about the average priests. The only way to get in trouble was if you really spoke out and, you know, went against the. The Soviet or the kgb, then you might get imprisoned, you might get taken to the gulag. Now, I'm talking about under the Stalin period. I'm not talking about under the Bolshevik period. They just tried to crush everybody, burn, destroy all the churches. Stalin in the 1940s had a revitalization project not making him a good guy, just that he saw that the Bolshevik policies were so destructive that he thought we should at least have a church. So I'll run all the bishops. I'll try to control them as best I can. But this idea of like, destroying all the churches is just not going to work. The whole society ends up collapsing. So Stalin's revitalization project rebuilt thousands of churches in the 1940s. They basically made sure that metrol, The Moscow Patriarch especially. Right. That was basically your KGB bishops, for the. For the most part. There were some others, but.

[FDA]

Yeah.

[Jay]

So that's why the. That talk that we did, I think, is very enlightening and really just solidifies everything that meshballs and Jonas said when we. When we did that interview. Raise. What's up, man? Raise. What's on your mind? People in the chat are saying Jay said he filmed something for Tucker. No, no, I'm talking. That was like four years ago, man. Three years ago. So I'm talking about three years ago in Austin when Scooter had me on the last episode of Tucker's Fox show. That's when that guy, the interviewed Armie Hammer came to our event. That's what I was talking about. Raise. What's up, man? You want to talk? McLovin? What's up, McLovin?

[FDA]

Hello, Jay, can you hear me?

[Jay]

Huh? What's up, man?

[FDA]

Okay. I have a question, and you might be able to speak to this better than I can. Sure. So I was. I was kind of learning about the Presbyterian and Lutheran back and forth on the Spiritual presence in the Eucharist. And one of the objections that the Presbyterians had or the Calvinists had was that real presence is not possible because it's not possible for Christ's human nature to be present in all these different churches that are consecrating Eucharists all at the same time. Would that not be like. To me, when I heard that, I was immediately thinking, this is an historian. Does that, does that follow?

[Jay]

I mean, it's kind of Nestorian. I wouldn't say it's totally the same as an historianism, but it, I mean, you could see the, the possibility of a kind of leaning historian for sure. I mean, I mean, we do say, we do think that the Eucharist is a mystery, right? So we can't like, ever give up that element of the fact that, you know, there's, there's obviously a mystery going on as to how. But I think one way to understand it is to think of, rather than Christ's physical body becoming omnipresent, it's more so that in the Divine Liturgy, because it's heaven on earth, we are actually brought up there to his presence. So space and time are bent such that we are actually all in the presence directly of Christ in heaven. That's, that's the idea. Heaven has come down to earth. So it's not that the Incarnation and the Eucharist, as Luther thought, makes the humanity of Christ omnipresent. Rather, we're brought up there to the presence of Christ

[FDA]

because they, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but most Protestant groups would say, like, Christ doesn't even have like, his human nature in heaven.

[Jay]

Well, that's an historian. That's totally heretical. So I mean, they can think that, but that's, that would be absolutely like crazy little heresy. So. But I, I don't think most of them think it through. You do have some Protestant famous theologians, like Francis Turreton. He actually thought that, he thought that in the, in the Ascension, Christ shed his human nature. So, so sometimes they do tend to think in that sort of Gnostic or Nestorian way.

[FDA]

For sure.

[Jay]

Can you hear me?

[FDA]

Yeah. Well, what's crazy to me is that they kind of like, when you mentioning not thinking about it, they're making these claims about, you know, human nature and maybe I could be incorrect about this, but, you know, they're making claims about this human nature. I'm like, but isn't like, nominalism so crucial to you, your view of like, salvation and what Christ did? And you're claiming there's a human, like a universal that is expressed through particulars.

[Jay]

Yeah. Except that I think with those people there's, there's varying levels of consistency amongst various Reformation people and even amongst one Reformation person, they might contradict themselves. So, for example, I don't even know what Martin Luther's position on universals even is, but he was, was influenced by nominalism when it comes to justification and your, your legal status and all that. But there were some reformers and Puritans who were totally realist. They were actually basically Platonists. So you can read like Stephen Charnock, who's a famous Puritan Calvinist theologian, like, he's 100% a realist. So it's, it's not, it's not like everybody, all of them adopted nominalism. It's rather that, that the doctrine of justification itself has the assumption of nominalism to make it work. But John Wycliffe was a radical realist. He was not at all a nominalist. Charnock was a realist. So you can find Reformation people who just take pieces to make it work. And many of them might, might not even know that they're influenced by nominalism. So does that make sense? So we should, we. A lot of times I think we are attributing to a lot of these people more consistency than they actually have.

[FDA]

Yeah. And people asking you about orthodoxy will reveal that pretty quickly of, you know, you try to explain terms to them and you're sitting there for two hours and they're still not understanding even like what normative authority is.

[Jay]

Yeah. And I think that might be, you know, my, this big interview that we did. My only concern, which I think the quality of, it's fine. But my only concern is that it might have been a little too high tier for a massive normie audience. But you just never know. Sometimes those really heavy dents.

[FDA]

Welcome to my world.

[Jay]

Yeah, right. Sometimes those heavy papers and people are

[FDA]

like, I don't even know what that means. Me.

[Jay]

Yeah. Well, that could also just be that you're just putting down like word salad and nobody even, like, you're just making up the words that, that aren't even real work. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. We all know FDA would never do that.

[FDA]

What is, what is philosophy but semantic sorcery?

[Jay]

I was going to say, what if you wrote a whole paper, like a grad paper, and it was all just like made up words, but you actually sourced everything? Like it looked like it was really professional, but it was all just word salad? That actually be Funny, but yeah, exactly like FDA says. A lot of. You know, I said that when I did the Lwell talk, I did a talk about how philosophy was like you were saying word salad. And then there was these people who were like, oh, I noticed that Jay, he hates philosophy now and he thinks that it's. It's all worthless, so he actually is anti philosophy. And I was like, no, you missed the whole point.

[FDA]

Yeah, Never any nuance with these people. It's never the middle probe. They can never find the middle way.

[Jay]

Well, our point, as your point is. Right. Is. Is secular philosophy is a dead end. We're not saying that's what St. Paul says. Yeah, exactly.

[FDA]

Vain philosophy built on the traditions of men. Not true philosophy. Not all.

[Jay]

Yeah, Philosophical questions.

[FDA]

Which is interesting because Vogelin says the Philo Sofos love of wisdom really is philotheos.

[Jay]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Well put, guys. If you want to support the stream, you can do so through super chats. Super chats are preferably through streamlabs, but you can also do it natively through YouTube as well. Jose, what's up, man? Everybody's still trying to figure out what podcast I went on. Yes, it was Larry King. No, I went on Donahue. I went on Sally Jesse Raphael, you guys. I can't believe you guys didn't figure out it was Geraldo. I can't believe you guys didn't figure that out. It's obvious. Clearly it was. I went on Oprah in 1985. Jose, what's up, man? You want to unmute? Jose, last chance.

[FDA]

Oh, hey. Can you hear me?

[Jay]

Yes, sir. What's up?

[FDA]

Yeah, no, I just wanted to quickly update you because what do you call it? Tied in, at least the oligarchic politics of Texas have shifted.

[Jay]

So the.

[FDA]

The Wilkes brothers who had put the initial money behind. What was it called? The Daily Wire.

[Jay]

Daily Wire, Yep.

[FDA]

Completely backed out of politics. Completely. That's why the Daily Wire has been doing so many layoffs.

[Jay]

Oh, interesting.

[FDA]

Yeah. No, the. Essentially, for the last 10 years, as far as tax and politics was concerned, the. The last. What do you call it, Essentially the entire state was effectively ruled by the Wilkes brothers, as well as. What's his name, Tim Dunn, as essentially a de facto trans. Similar to the transferred of Rome. And they had a falling out that started up in 2024. Apparently it was Nick Fuentes that caused it. I don't exactly know the details, but I just know he was involved. Fault. But the Wilkes brothers decided to pull out completely. So they've completely backed out of not just the state politics, but they've withdrawn stuff from the, the media stuff that they're involved with, including Prayer University, Daily Wire, etc. So it's, it's interesting because right now there's like nine different oligarchs who are trying to compete to essentially take over the empty space that the Wilkes brother have. Have left.

[Jay]

Yeah, that's what I said. People don't realize that, that it's not just these voices like there's huge money behind the ideology of, of these goobers that you see in the so called alternative media.

[FDA]

Yep. No, it's very true. What I also find interesting is despite being Aryan heretics, they're apparently not, what do you call it, they're not pro Zionist. The way that Tim done it was. So apparently there was pressure from the Wilkes brothers, children and grandchildren to back out of the political stuff they were supporting and that played a role.

[Jay]

And it was that because they were fans of Fuentes?

[FDA]

No, Nick Fuentes was actually got involved for some reason. He was involved. He was, he was in a bunch of gripers are involved in one of the, I know one of the organizations that the Wilkes brothers had running here in Texas. So somehow Nick Fuentes apparently met with Tim Dunn. Tim Dunn didn't know who he was. And then Tim Dunn got freaked out after the fact because Nick Fuentes is not a Zionist and Tim Dunn is a diehard, like absolutely die hard evangelical Zionist.

[Jay]

Interesting.

[FDA]

And so that resulted in a falling out between the two or between him and the, the brothers.

[Jay]

Good. I mean I'm glad that that's falling apart because that whole operation was agreed.

[FDA]

And so now what you have, it's interesting because one of the nine oligarchs you're trying to fill up that, that vacuum is. He's a Pakistani fellow. I keep forgetting his name. I wrote an article on it a while ago. But he's a Pakistani fellow who's, who's one of the big, big money behind the, the building of mosques throughout Texas.

[Jay]

Oh.

[FDA]

And what's fascinating is this guy is also one of the biggest money guys behind Greg Abbott. Which is why Greg Abbott is like officially not supportive of Islam. But in reality he just lets the door open for them to build as much as they want

[Jay]

money behind Greg Abbott.

[FDA]

Yep.

[Jay]

If you want to check it out,

[FDA]

I actually ended up, I did start up a sub stack about two months ago. There's a article, I believe it came out June 1st. I published it on the. The various oligarchs who are competing for that empty space. But right now it's, it's, it's fascinating because Tim Don is trying to solidify everything under his control, but he doesn't have the level of resources alone that he and the Wilkes brothers together. So it's, it'll be an interesting couple of years in Texas to see who ends up being the new top dog of Texan state politics.

[Jay]

Awesome. Yeah, I appreciate that. Really good intel there, Jose. He's always got spot on analysis. Super smart dude. Just basic search. I'm assuming it's this person. Syed Javaid Anwar, oil and gas tycoon, founder and CEO of Midland Energy, has donated many millions of dollars to Greg Abbott.

[FDA]

So

[Jay]

interesting. Yeah, this, all these people think that like Ben Shapiro just got an audience or. No, dude, these people are like massively supported, dude. Remember it came out that basically they just put like millions of dollars into pushing Ben Shapiro on Facebook over the years. And then that's how he became like this supposed media person that we're supposed to listen to. It's like these people are put up there, dude. They're like, you guys haven't figured this out yet? But actually, no, the boomers don't. The boomer mindset and a lot of that evangelical Zionist stuff is just still holdover boomer mindset. Their whole mindset is like, well, if you got a fancy set, you're doing something right, you must be telling the truth because if you knew what you talking about, they put you up there on the tv, right? That's the whole mindset. But really that's how you think the world works.

[FDA]

Like,

[Jay]

let's see what this says. The podcast were saying that Greg Abbott's donor helped to establish 50 mosques throughout the Dallas Fort Worth area. Interesting. All right, who's next? Anybody you want to call in? We all lost fd Lost. We lost you fda. But you're welcome to come back. Chrom. What's up, Chrome? We have Conan's deity, Crom Cl.

[FDA]

Hey, Jay.

[Jay]

Yo.

[FDA]

I think I, I, I called in a few weeks ago. I just had a few more questions to ask. I got three, if that's all right. You got time for all of them?

[Jay]

I mean, if, as long as they're not like super long, you know, 20 minutes per question.

[FDA]

All right.

[Jay]

Type questions.

[FDA]

Okay, so, so, so the orthodox position of the angel of the Lord being Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. So would you. In the Old Testament, when Christ appears, is his nature both divine and human or is it somehow only divine at that point?

[Jay]

They're energetic manifestations. So there's again, there's an element of mystery there because we see many places in the Old Testament even where it's not even just apparently Christ himself, but theophanic manifestations like the cloud and the fire. Now, Christ is present in these. For example, if you look at Leviticus 9, we have the statement at the very end that the glory of the Lord appears to the entire congregation. And we're told a little bit earlier that Jesus or the angel of Lord is there. He's present. We're told in other places. For example, he. He stood at the door of the tent, right? And then it says, all of Israel saw the glory of the Lord. We think about it, Exodus, we see the glory cloud coming down into the temple. We see the pillar of fire, which is the fire of the Lord. So we think those are energetic manifestations of divine power, divine energy in time and space, because God's able to do that. How he does that we don't know. But there's no sense, for example, in which God's glory could be called created. So I think we have to say in places like Leviticus 9, 23, that these are, as the church fathers say, energetic manifestations. So they're not creatures, because you can't call creatures uncreated glory.

[FDA]

Okay, yeah, that. That makes sense. Another thing on the topic of geopolitics and the whole cultural discourse, I guess so with neo paganism, is that. Do you think that's. Globalist or whatever push? Because it doesn't seem to be very effective. I mean, it, it could be given that. I mean, there's so much retardation going

[Jay]

around it like going, going on. I mean, I don't think that. I mean, that's not a serious, huge movement at this point. I'm sure that there are fed people involved in those groups. I mean, but they also. I don't think they're really effective to actually create any kind of solidified, you know, substantial threat. So I don't think they're super worried about it. But I think it's very possible that it could be used in that way because it could easily turn to sort of earth worship, nature worship type stuff, which that's very amenable to, you know, the United nations green type of ideology. So I don't know that, you know, from. If Zabigna Brzezinski were alive, if he were here, or David Rockefeller, I don't think he would be super concerned with neo pagan movements. But I'm sure there are feds and provocateurs and all these types of movements.

[FDA]

Yeah, But. But so. So many of their arguments, like, they're against, like, them. Their arguments against Christianity and their arguments for paganism are completely. It's a completely false dichotomy where they have a fictional, imagined version of Christianity where it's Jewish, allegedly. They group. They group all these different denominations together into one.

[Jay]

Yeah. I mean, this is. It goes back to Himmler. Himmler made these arguments.

[FDA]

Yeah. And then their. Their whole, like, modernized, sanitized, romanticized, fictional version of paganism.

[Jay]

Right.

[FDA]

Also, if you read, like, all these different historical accounts, like Tacitus.

[Jay]

Right.

[FDA]

Yeah. Caesar and De. Yeah.

[Jay]

Caesar himself did. Yeah, yeah. In his diaries.

[FDA]

Yeah. Yeah. You get kind of a taste of the. The savagery. I had another question. Have you ever studied any sort of ancient languages, like, related to, like, the biblical context?

[Jay]

No, I'm not very good at languages. I took two years of German. I mean, I got good grades in it, but I'm not particularly gifted in. In linguistics.

[FDA]

Oh. Because I know Orthodox or I know the. The smart. I. I'm Orthodox. I'm. I'm from Russia. I can speak Russian. And most. Most Orthodox I see are pretty smart. So if there could be a concerted effort among.