Pt 1Trump Attempt! GodLogic/Hijab, Andrew/Triggernometry, Kiriakou, Redeemed Z, Jake/Women OPEN CALL

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis Podcast Summary – April 30, 2026

Episode: Pt 1Trump Attempt! GodLogic/Hijab, Andrew/Triggernometry, Kiriakou, Redeemed Z, Jake/Women OPEN CALL
Host: Jay Dyer
Guests/Co-hosts: Stephen, FDA, call-ins
Theme:
A sprawling, highly critical episode centered on the rise of Orthodox Christianity in Western online discourse, direct confrontations with prominent Evangelical and Muslim influencers/YouTubers (notably Ruslan and Muhammad Hijab), and skepticism toward modern church "business models" and ecumenical Christian movements. Features biting commentary, detailed trend analysis, live call-ins, and robust theological debate.

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1. Episode Overview

Main Purpose:
Jay Dyer leads a rapid-fire, confrontational exploration of current religious internet culture wars, focusing on:

• The ascendancy of Orthodox Christianity versus Evangelical/Protestant "business church" models
• Critiques of secular influence and corruption in both Evangelical and Catholic spheres
• Technical debunking ("clout checks") using analytics to challenge other content creators’ supposed popularity
• Exposing what he sees as monetization/branding grifts within modern Christian influencers
• Analysis of ecumenism's moral and doctrinal dangers
• Open calls and Q&A from the audience

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2. Key Discussion Points and Insights

A. Podcast Tone & Style

• Language: Brash, irreverent, and highly critical, peppered with inside jokes and rapid banter (“wigger emperor of Wigsantium,” “gay angelicalism,” “clout goblin”).
• Format: Mixes analytics breakdowns, satire (“tone policing”), song parodies, direct theological argument, and open call-ins.

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B. Social Media “Clout War”: Online Popularity Metrics

[13:41] – [22:00], [75:26] – [77:28]

• Jay and FDA compare Google Trends/Youtube metrics to refute "flexes" from Christian and secular influencers (Ruslan, Muhammad Hijab, Mark Dice, Dinesh D’Souza, DJ Nora, Mythvision).
• Claim: Orthodox content is surging in trendlines, outpacing rivals.
• Quote:

  "They are not the trend... So it’s a literal ruse-lame." (Jay, 18:34)
  "The trend is moving the direction of Orthodoxy. Not gay angelicalism, not Gave-In Ortland’s nonsense." (Jay, 21:19)

• Point: Subscriber counts are “a façade”—Google/Youtube analytics less manipulable.

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C. Exposing and Critiquing Christian "Business Models"

[22:02] – [35:37], [63:36] – [69:52]

• Critique of Ruslan, Gavin Ortland, Mark Dice, and "business church":
  • Accusation: Their primary concern is monetization, brand, and virtue signaling.
  • Jay replays audio of Ruslan talking about monetizing audiences for a "seven figure house."
  • Criticizes the sales of prayer journals, upcharged event tickets, and pay-for-access Christian communities.
• Quotes/paraphrases:

  “Make it about them partnering with you... How am I going to monetize these people?” (Jay/Ruslan, 32:12) “It’s more evil to say a four-letter word... than to actually grift on these dumb evangelicals. That’s crazy to me.” (Jay, 32:18)

• Business Church = branded, performative piety:

  • "I’ve been calling it business church for 10 years." (Jay, 33:11)

  • Connection: Calls modern evangelicalism a branded business model, argues Orthodoxy is distinct.

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D. Ecumenism, Orthodoxy vs. Evangelicalism

[35:30] – [42:49]

• Ecumenism defined: As "moral failing" and "State Department-aided project," not just intellectual error.
• Critique:
  • Branch theory (“church is split into branches”) is a modern Anglican invention, not early church doctrine.
  • Modern ecumenism is geopolitically useful, not theologically authentic.
  • Evangelical “unity” and “mere Christianity” (C.S. Lewis) is described as heterodox, not historically grounded.
• Quotes:

  “Ecumenism is a movement that is geared towards rediscovering the unity of the church. Its presupposition is there’s not one historical church in history.” (FDA, 36:57)
  "It’s a heavily funded State Department project that the Rockefellers... put a bunch of money into." (Jay, 37:43)

• Orthodoxy prohibits joint theological commissions implying equal validity; draws strong boundaries.

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E. Scandals and Inconsistencies in Evangelical/Catholic Circles

[25:01] – [31:42], [52:06] – [54:42]

• Russell Moore, Christianity Today, Gavin Ortland:
  • Alleged ties to pro-LGBTQ+, pro-abortion politicians/ministries viewed as evidence of deep-rooted compromise.
  • Christianity Today described as a “progressive rag” hosting and promoting leftist sexual politics.
  • Quote:

    “Their church features Dr. Russell Moore as minister in residence. ... Who buys this gay evangelical merch, anyway?” (Jay, 25:31, 23:34)

• Paula White, other scandals:
  • Frequent sexual abuse/touching scandals, hypocrisy rampant.

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F. Accusations of Extremism and Counter-Tactics

[21:20], [29:52], [54:50] – [56:37]

• “Ortho bros are dangerous/extremist” trope, whereby opponents try to frame Orthodox Christians as radical/unsafe, likened to the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and Biden’s neo-Nazi/Charlottesville narratives.
• Jay’s Response:

  “The ortho bros are dangerous people. Extremists. This is literally straight up a script that the... left all the way back to Biden.” (Jay, 29:52) “They hyper fixate on minutiae so they can be better than people. Meanwhile, they... are doing butt stuff.” (Jay, 54:35)

• Parallel to government “honey pot” ops against ideological opposition (Charlottesville, COINTELPRO).

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G. The Call-In Segment: Converts, Seekers, & Critiques

[71:47] – End

• Multiple call-ins: conversions from atheism, Protestantism, Pentecostalism to Orthodoxy.
• Common Themes:
  • Frustration with evangelical “surface-level,” “vibes-based” faith.
  • Evangelical advice: “Trust the Bible because trust me, bro.”
  • Many churches discouraged any study of church history, fathers, or serious theological inquiry.
  • Questions about relics, saints, canonical beliefs, and proper worship.
• Host/guest replies:
  • Orthodoxy is the “killer app” for serious inquirers; explanations rooted in scripture, history, and logic.
  • Use of sites like orthodoxinfo.com as resources for those seeking deeper teaching.
  • Critique: Business church/virtue-signaling piety produces “atheism engines”; Orthodoxy provides “the only worldview.”
  • Notable quote:

    “Who’s more cult-like? Us – telling you visit the Orthodox Church, refute all these heresies, learn logic, don’t follow me for spiritual advice? Or the Protestants saying ‘don’t read the Church Fathers, don’t ask those questions’?” (FDA, 95:42)

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H. Theology, Apologetics, and Debates

[83:58], [87:36], [117:16] – [122:13]

• Discussions on limitations of “new revelation” theologies (Mormonism, charismaticism, SDA), defense of cessation of public revelation after the apostles (reference: Luke 16:16, Montanist heresy).
• Ongoing challenge to popular Muslim apologists (Muhammad Hijab):
  • Hijab’s credentials, perceived deception, and evasions in debate dissected.
  • Example: Avery (GodLogic) finally nails Hijab on the “Islamic dilemma” (Torah as the standard/criterion per the Quran), forcing Hijab to awkwardly concede ([88:52]).

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I. Roman Catholic Changes and Papal Infallibility

[122:13] – [130:37]

• Jay highlights contradiction: Traditional Catholicism vs. post-Vatican II on capital punishment.
  • Catechism of Trent: Death penalty is just; post-Vatican II: it is “inadmissible.”
  • Invokes Vatican I’s “faith and morals” clause to argue that modern papal pronouncements are contradictory.
  • Pre- and post-conciliar popes disagreeing on immigration, death penalty, church-state issues.
• Quote:

  “Vatican I says that the papacy is infallible on any teaching universally relating to faith and morals. Now who believes that the death penalty is not an aspect of morals? This is so preposterous...” (FDA, 126:10)

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J. Conversion Stories & Cultural Commentary

• Testimonies from former atheists, Protestants, Pentecostals share themes:
  • Orthodoxy as a logical, historical, and spiritual solution after disappointment with shallow, fragmented Western Christianity.
  • "It's like martial arts: when your technique doesn't work, you replace it with what works." (Stephen, [108:36])
  • Observations on Orthodox online popularity, compared to charts like Bitcoin's growth ([111:02]).

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3. Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Satirical tone policing:

  "There's only one wigger emperor of Wigsantium and this boy right here." (Jay, multiple times in intro, ~01:00–04:00)

• On Modern Christian Merch:

  “Oh, I got a Ruslan prayer journal. Now I can pray wigger style. God gonna accept my wigger prayers cause I got a rouge lawn journal.” (FDA, 23:34)

• On Protestant cultishness:

  "Does it sound like a cult to say don’t read the church fathers, don’t ask those questions? Who’s more cult-like?” (FDA, 95:42)

• On trends:

  “Orthodoxy is trending like Bitcoin.” (Jay/FDA, 111:03)

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4. Timestamps for Important Segments

• Analytics & Clout War: [13:41]–[22:00], [75:26]–[77:28], [81:46]
• Business Church & Monetization Critique: [22:02]–[35:37]
• Ecumenism & Theology: [35:30]–[42:49]
• Christian Scandal Exposé: [25:01]–[31:42], [52:06]–[54:42]
• "Danger/Extremism" Tactic Discussion: [21:20], [29:52], [54:50]–[56:37]
• Call-in/Conversion Stories: [71:47]–[82:52], [96:30]–[111:03]
• Orthodox Worship, Relics, Canon Q&A: [96:30]–[104:11]
• Debate/Tag/Apologetics Segment: [117:10]–[122:13]
• Catholic Moral Contradiction/Death Penalty: [122:13]–[130:37]

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5. Final Thoughts

• Summary:
  Jay'sAnalysis delivers an unfiltered, polemical assessment of the current Christian influencer landscape, proclaims Orthodoxy's analytic and spiritual superiority, and uses humor, evidence, and call-ins to lampoon opponents and defend his tradition. The episode is an engaging, sometimes confrontational, but deeply intentional critique of modern Christianity’s theological, moral, and institutional failures—arguing that only Orthodoxy preserves historical continuity and integrity.

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Transcript

[Jay]

I sold my car in Carvana last night.

[Stephen]

Well, that's cool.

[Jay]

No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong. So what's the problem? That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes as smoothly. I'm waiting for the catch. Maybe there's no catch. That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.

[Stephen]

Wow.

[FDA]

You need to relax.

[Jay]

I need a knock on wood. Do we have wood? Is this table wood?

[Stephen]

I think it's laminate.

[Jay]

Okay. Yeah. That's good. That's close enough.

[Stephen]

Car selling without a catch.

[Jay]

Sell your car today on Carvana.

[Stephen]

Pick up fees may apply.

[Jay]

My amex blue cash everyday is my go to accessory. When I shop I can earn 3% cash back on US online retail purchases. Try on the blue cash everyday card. Learn [e-mail] Explore BCE terms and cashback cap apply. Home policing. You over there, Tone. Police. There's only one wigga emperor of Wigsantium and this boy right here. What his name is Ruse run.

[FDA]

Ruse Ron.

[Jay]

Cause he keep running. So when we got a pretender in the house, a pretender to the long throne of the king dome, AKA my size elf. We got a challenger coming out of what's called Blessed Wiggle Studio. I mean Blessed God Studios and bless God Industries. Excuse me. Bless God industries is over here making a big old stank. I'm like, so we're gonna hear. I said what this white boy got going with me? What this white boy got going with me. You know what I'm saying? Now who's putting out fire traps? Tone policing. You over there, Tone Police. There's only one wigga emperor of Wigsantium in this boy Rahur. What his name is Ruse run. Ruse Run. Cause he keep running. Home policing. You over there, Tone. Policing. There's only one wigger emperor of Wigsantium in this boy Rahur. What his name is Ruse run.

[FDA]

Ruse Run.

[Jay]

Because he keep running. So when we got a pretender in the house, a pretender to the long throne of the kingdom, AKA my size elf. We got a challenger coming out of what's called Blessed Wiggle studio. I mean bless God Studios, Bless God Industries. Excuse me. Bless God industries is over here making a big old stank. I'm like, we're going here. I was like, what this white boy got going with me? What this white boy got going with me? You know what I'm saying? Now who's putting out fire traps? Tone policing you over there. Towing police there's only one wigga, Emperor

[FDA]

of Wigsantium in this boy right here.

[Jay]

What? His name is Ruse. Run. Ruse.

[FDA]

Ron.

[Jay]

Cause he Keep running.

[FDA]

You are not in a church. You invented your own church. Excuse me, you're. You're just making an assumption that all the. The saints agree.

[Jay]

They do.

[FDA]

I can go read them. You have no space. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer. A demon, a boomer, A demon, a boomer tar. Excuse me? A demon, a boomer tar. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer tar. A demon, a boomer tar. Excuse me. A demon, a boomer tar. A demon, a boomer. Are all the councils inspired and inerrant? The ecumenical synods. Yes. So there are. The ecumenical synods are inspired and inerrant. Correct. How do you know? Because the Holy Spirit leads us to know the truth.

[Stephen]

How do you know the Holy Spirit

[FDA]

leads you to know the truth? Because they're in accord with all the other ecumenical doctrines, all the other testimonies of the saints and the scriptures. You're just making an assumption. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer. A demon, a boomer. A boomer. Excuse me? A demon, a boomer Tartar. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer tart. Excuse me? A demon, a boomer. Excuse me? A boomer, a demon, a boomer tart. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer tart. Excuse me. A demon, a boomer tar. You're a goblin, a demon, a boomer. You're just making an assumption. A boomer. Oh, yeah.

[Jay]

It's about that time. You know what I'm saying? We about to open it up.

[FDA]

Y' all ready for this?

[Jay]

Our God has a body. It's a very tone body.

[FDA]

He looks good. Looks good.

[Guest Caller 1]

Moment space wip. Magic underground feeling right.

[Jay]

Magic underwear.

[Stephen]

Mormon. Space wise.

[FDA]

Lords of color.

[Jay]

Let me have intimacy with you on the planet of Move. Feel so tight Magic feels so right. Creating new new light. One last version and then we're done.

[FDA]

This is the fun version. The fun mix.

[Jay]

And then it's directly to your call.

[FDA]

We got a lot of news to cover.

[Jay]

A lot of news. Crazy news. Hit like and share.

[FDA]

Bring all the nerds.

[Jay]

Come on now.

[FDA]

It's a very tone body.

[Stephen]

He looks good. He looks good.

[Jay]

Mormons Face life. Moments Face life. Basement Basement Magic underwear fitting tight. Magic underwear. Space wise Moment space wise Moment space wise.

[FDA]

I would like to have intimacies with

[Jay]

you on the planet of Naboo. You

[FDA]

magic.

[Stephen]

Let's create.

[FDA]

It's a very toe Body.

[Stephen]

He looks good. He looks good.

[FDA]

He looks good.

[Stephen]

He looks good.

[Jay]

Moment, space.

[Stephen]

Moment space.

[Jay]

Slow it down.

[Stephen]

Whoa. Space.

[FDA]

Yeah, baby.

[Jay]

Who can say that's not a hit, son? We're dropping bangers on the daily. Them other haters over here just trying to.

[FDA]

Just trying to come up with something.

[Jay]

We got a lot of news to cover today. Why am I smoking a cigar? What? What would prompt such a thing? Because I don't really smoke the nicotines

[FDA]

like I used to.

[Jay]

Well, give a shout out to mabafuma maba fuma. Mabafuma have sent me some of these so thanks to him, these little things too. These little celebratory items. Shout out to mobile fuma. Why would we be smoking a cigar when things are so crazy? Dang, everything just crazy right now.

[FDA]

It's just crazy.

[Jay]

My amex blue cash everyday card is my go to accessory. When I shop I can earn 3% cash back on U. S online retail purchases. Try on the blue cash everyday card. Learn more@american express.com Explore-BCE terms and cash back cap apply. Well, I've got some interesting news. Got a little bit of comparisons to show y'.

[FDA]

All.

[Jay]

Now we don't usually flex numbers, right? But apparently everybody else wants to flex

[FDA]

their numbers in my face.

[Jay]

For example, we had your boy Mohammad hijab. Remember Mohammad hijab?

[FDA]

We're going to be looking at some of the his nasty antics up to

[Jay]

the same old stuff where he pulled God logic's debate. He immediately copyright struck the the debate cuz he says, oh, I didn't give you permission. Even though God logic has video confirmation that he got permission.

[FDA]

Shocker.

[Jay]

Muslims are up to shady sus deceptive activity.

[FDA]

This is just what they do, dude.

[Jay]

But I got some other celebratory items to share with y'.

[Stephen]

All.

[Jay]

What would we be celebrating? Well, Every now and then I'll peep the metrics. Peep the metrics, son. What does that mean? You go to google trends, you do a little bit of comparison, a little bit of window shopping. Okay, so we're going to look at a couple graphs here. Don't be slow, boys. Pay attention to the graphs on google trends. You can gauge trends and activities and popularities over 15 years, five years, you

[FDA]

name it, one year.

[Jay]

And a lot of these people that are flexing the numbers in my face, turns out we are blowing them away in the last one to five years in terms of numbers and trends. Let's begin with Mohammed hijab. All right, this is five years of web search. Okay? So google Gives you different metrics that you can look at.

[FDA]

Let me remove myself here. Let me move myself over so you can see the metrics.

[Jay]

You can look at image search data,

[FDA]

you can look at web search data, and you can look at other things. But mainly we're going to look at Web search and YouTube. I am told that YouTube is the second biggest search engine now after normal Google search. So we're going to look at both

[Jay]

metrics, and we're going to see who is absolutely dominating. Because remember Muhammad Hijab? He put up a clout check on me. He said, I checked your numbers.

[FDA]

You don't make the cut to be on a debate with me.

[Jay]

Well, guess who has massively bigger numbers

[FDA]

than William Lane Craig that he debated? Oh, me, right here.

[Jay]

Well, guess who has now massively bigger numbers than Mohammed Hijab?

[FDA]

And I'm talking about blowing out of the water.

[Jay]

Okay, we go back to 2023. I didn't even register. You see this big spike here? This was some sort of news reporting.

[FDA]

This was probably around the time he was in the news about, you know, threats and whatnot. There was a big hubbub.

[Jay]

Oh, but if we see the trend, it is actually reversed. And on web search, which is bigger than the YouTube search, YouTube number two, I'm. I'm five times more searched than Mohammad Hijab in the last year. Go check the metrics for yourself. Let's look at YouTube. Oh, oh, look at that on YouTube. We're five times bigger on YouTube in the last going all the way back

[Guest Caller 2]

to

[Jay]

the end of 2025. So for the last six months, we've blown all of these people away on both metrics. Let's take a look at Ruslan, who was flexing numbers in my face. Oh, the trends are not looking good for you, Ruse Lane. It looks like over the last five years. You want to flex numbers in my face? Who's blowing you away on web search? Oh, 23 to 2. Okay, what about YouTube? Surely, surely Ruslan would be blowing away my numbers on YouTube since he wants to flex that in my face. Right, Right.

[FDA]

So he's going to be dominating YouTube.

[Jay]

Clearly.

[FDA]

Clearly.

[Guest Caller 1]

Right.

[FDA]

Let me move me again so you can see there. This is five years. That's web search.

[Jay]

But he's 800K. Right? Gotta. You gotta flex the numbers, son.

[FDA]

Let's see.

[Jay]

Oh, oh. Five years on YouTube search. What do we get with Ruslan 20 times bigger, blowing his ass away, and he wanted to flex numbers. I just want to show you guys the flexing is a Facade. These people are not the trend. They are not where things are going. They are the trend of 2016, 2018, 2020. So it's a literal ruse.

[FDA]

Lame.

[Jay]

And Ruslan knows his channel is going, yeah, like that. Now, again, let's take somebody that you might think, oh, what about Mark Dice? Mark Dice. And I don't dislike Mark Dice.

[FDA]

I'm just saying as an example.

[Jay]

What's the trend? Is Mark Dice the trend? Oh, look who just passed Mark Dice in the last six months. Your boy Rahura. We're passing Mark Dice now. Look at this. Blowing me away in 2020. I didn't even register. And we've now surpassed in the last six months YouTube interest for a channel with what, 2 million subscribers. Okay, what about web search? Is Mark Dice passing us up over there? Oh, look at that. In the last six months, blowing away Mark Dice there as well. Interesting. So they want to flex the numbers. The numbers can all be a facade if you just look at subscribers. Who even knows that the subscribers are real?

[FDA]

But the Google Analytics are not going to lie. They're less likely to lie. Right, because they're not going to manipulate people searching. They might manipulate the numbers of the videos, but who's.

[Jay]

Who's being searched? What's the trend here for five years? Oh, exactly, exactly. By the way, in the last six months, we're blowing every.

[FDA]

Everybody away on the YouTube metrics.

[Jay]

We're blowing even Fresh and Fit, Myron, any of those people, the numbers are

[FDA]

blowing them out of the water.

[Jay]

Especially on YouTube.

[FDA]

We dominate.

[Jay]

Look at this metric here. From 2020 for two years. In two years, the metrics have exploded. And you throw anybody in there, you throw ancient faith in there. Dead metrics. Pick anybody. That's why we're smoking a cigar. Because they have a facade of popularity that they want to flex in my face. But when we go actually see the analytics and the numbers, they're on the. They shrinking dog. Let's take one of the biggest DJs out there. Let's just compare just for the hell

[FDA]

of it, DJ chicks who have like 2 million followers.

[Jay]

5.

[FDA]

Whatever.

[Jay]

Let's see. Swish. DJs Nora. Oh, we're blowing her away on YouTube too. Look at that. Some of the biggest DJs out there getting blowed up. We even just surpassed her on normal web search. The trend is moving the direction of orthodoxy. Not gay angelicalism, not gave in Ortland's nonsense.

[FDA]

And they know that.

[Jay]

And that's why they are freaking out. And they're beginning to say that we are dangerous. This was Gavin Ortland's line, extremism. And you know, we know what he's talking about because he's running the same script that Ruslan ran the other day

[FDA]

at the end of his video that

[Jay]

the Ortho bros are going to become dangerous.

[FDA]

There's a dark cloud and bad things are coming. Implying that it's like Jim Jones or that it's like, you know, some just total nonsense.

[Jay]

But that's because we started talking about what's really going on with this, with

[FDA]

these people and what they really, in

[Jay]

their older videos said they plan to do.

[FDA]

For example, perhaps y' all didn't see this clip. I'll play it again because it's a brief clip.

[Jay]

Make it about the piece of merch. Don't make it about the show. Make it about them partnering with you. Partner with us for as little as $5 a month. Get our daily access to our afterparty streams. Make it about them partnering with you. We need more you guys to sign up and partner with us monthly. All right, so the link for that is pinned up. Consider partnering now before you start fussing. I'm not saying that you're bad if

[FDA]

you make money online. We do that. That's not the argument here.

[Jay]

The argument is we have a prior statement where he said his plan would be how am I going to monetize this audience? How am I going to create a stream that generates and income to buy

[FDA]

at least seven figure house, et cetera, in San Diego. That's what he says on his other streams.

[Jay]

This was before he transitioned from being

[FDA]

a Black Lives Matter supporter and a Obama voter and a everything else. You could imagine Andrew Yang, who's pro Roe v. Wade supporter, suddenly He's a Christian YouTuber and he's arguing against the Christians about borders and he's friends with people in the IDF and just, just totally saw stuff that's so we can

[Jay]

stay independent, only answering to you. Never having to take a brand deals. Make it about them partnering with you.

[Stephen]

Partner with us on Patreon.

[FDA]

Get a, get a Bless God prayer journal or a leadership planner that's on back order, so it'll be shipping in a few. Who buys this gay evangelical merch anyway? Oh, I got a Ruslan prayer journal. Now I can pray wigger style. God gonna accept my wigger prayers cause I got a rouge lawn journal. Oh, that's good. That's holy dog weeks from now.

[Jay]

Make it about them partnering with you. Access to our private Discord server, access to discount codes. And so Much more so help.

[FDA]

By the way, he charges very high amounts of money to meet him in person. VIP tickets. This is from the man who says,

[Jay]

I don't think I'm. I'm that important.

[FDA]

Right? He said that in his video.

[Jay]

Now, I don't think I'm that big of a deal.

[FDA]

I'm not that important.

[Jay]

Dog, why you charge 500, a thousand dollars to meet you in person? Dog thought you wasn't that important.

[FDA]

And no, today is not going to be primarily about Rusland. But I do want to talk about

[Jay]

Gavin Ortland because Gavin Ortland came out

[FDA]

today and said we must reject all the extremists online. The extremists, he says, friendly reminder, ignore extremist people in their posts. It amplifies them. Outrageous views are counting on us expressing outrage and so they travel further. And I said, well, that's interesting because does that mean that your dad's extreme ecumenism. His dad's a major ecumenist, spearhead, leader of ecumenism in America.

[Jay]

Does that mean your dad is an extremist that you're rejecting?

[FDA]

So I said that. Oh, and I got blocked. Oh, he didn't like that.

[Jay]

And then I said, well, what about your dad's ties to Roy Moore?

[FDA]

What's it, Russell Moore and his gender affirming care and ministry. Right? And then somebody said, oh, he's not

[Jay]

actually directly connected to, to Christianity Today.

[FDA]

He is a mega promoted person at Christianity Today. Was for many years, even though he's not presently there. But look, here he is. Their church features Dr. Russell Moore as minister in residence. So they can quibble about whether I technically got his role correctly at, at Christianity Today because I thought this was a. You see the guy that posted this, the Storm Crow guy, shout out to him on YouTube. I mean on Twitter,

[Jay]

his dad endorsed Kamala Harris. So we got people that openly support pro abortion, pro skittles, pro socialist leftist candidates.

[FDA]

Right. Ortland endorsed Kamala Harris in 2024.

[Jay]

They have as their co minister at. This is even worse than just being

[FDA]

part of the board.

[Jay]

This is actually being co ministers at

[FDA]

Emmanuel Church with Dr. Russell Moore, who's a promoter of gay affirming ministries and gender transitioning ministry type stuff. Let's see.

[Jay]

Next fall, North Point Community Church is hosting what they call the Unconditional Conference.

[FDA]

Well, what is that?

[Jay]

Unconditional love. A man named Andy Stanley as keynote speaker. The conference is being put on by Embracing the Journey, a radical Skittles affirming ministry that partners with North Point and counsels parents with Skittles kids. Nearly all the speakers at the conference

[FDA]

in in our Skittles affirming, including a

[Jay]

man named Brian Nietzel who is a married man.

[FDA]

Married to a man supposedly and spoke at the church before he co founded

[Jay]

Renovas, a Skittles ministry. Nietzsche also founded Making Things Right Ministry where he seeks to bridge the gap

[FDA]

with all of the Skittles. Then he goes on to talk about a bunch of other pastors and goobers I've never heard of. And then it says, enter Christianity Today.

[Jay]

We've rarely been friendly towards Christianity Today and with good reason. It is led by Russell Moore and they're a progressive rag known for virtue

[FDA]

twerking and giving a platform to every weird liberal insidious bent. And by the way, they're a major promoter of ecumenism in the last several decades in the entire Protestant evangelical world. That's their whole role.

[Jay]

They came swinging against Capitol Hill violence.

[FDA]

Everybody at J6 was. So it's basically just moving garage in the direction of Democratic Party talking points is what we have here. They were full pro stabby. Anybody that voted for the GOP was inherently racist. All the same lines, by the way, that that the same type of terminology and arguments that Ruslan was making at the exact same time from 2020 to 2022 before he suddenly found that you can grift better by being a fake conservative.

[Jay]

They Christianity Day ended up being rocked by a major sexual harassment scandal that

[FDA]

was unchecked for many decades. It's always going on in these gay evangelical groups. They're always touching butts. Usually it's dudes too, by the way. All these piety signal virtue, virtue signaling. People are usually guilty of like 10 times worse heinous stuff that they're calling people out.

[Jay]

He said a four letter word.

[FDA]

Meanwhile they're over here like pumping dudes in the butt as they get publicly on Twitter talking about four letter words. Four letter words. And then it goes on to talk. This is this nitzel guy. So Russell Moore, this major ecumenist guy that runs for many years or was running

[Jay]

Christianity Today, is the co pastor at Gavin's dad's church. So does it begin to make sense

[FDA]

why Gavin would spout the type of SPLC style tactics and techniques? Exactly what Ruslan did at the end of his video.

[Jay]

The ortho bros are dangerous people. Extremists. This is literally straight up a script

[FDA]

that the, that the left all the

[Jay]

way back to Biden. These are the people that vote for the Biden Harris people. They tell you in your face who they really are and what they really support. And all you dummies ignore all this and act like you're being mean. You don't believe our evangelical leaders. Dude, how many times do evangelical leaders have to be exposed in some butt buddy scandal? It happens like every freaking week. You just had. Trump's previous spiritual advisor was abusing young girls and now it's this insane lunatic Paula White woman. The whole, that whole realm is a clown show. And they think you're dumb. They grift on you because they think you're stupid. And many of you are stupid. You fall for it. You don't even look into who's funding these people and what they actually support and what they actually go for. And by the way, I didn't know any of this until people started digging this up and sending it. And by the way, yes, there have been people, Protestants.

[FDA]

I didn't see these channels until the last few days.

[Jay]

A lot of channels have been calling

[FDA]

these people out for many years, but they're small channels, so they didn't get a lot of traction.

[Jay]

But you had Ruslan not just saying here that this was his plan, but again, notice it was all from 2020 to 2023 or so. And even before that 2017 to say 2022, it was all DNC talking points as he set up his monetized fake

[FDA]

ass business church model, which he even says it's that.

[Jay]

And then you idiots are calling, saying, I'm bad for calling it out. That's mean.

[FDA]

It's not a Christian spirit.

[Jay]

You guys are fraud.

[FDA]

You guys are dummies.

[Jay]

Dude, you're so gullible.

[FDA]

Right?

[Jay]

And I think Tate is a scammer con man too. But he was correct when he said evangelical Christians are the most gullible people on the planet. They will believe anything.

[FDA]

Now let's remind everybody.

[Jay]

Well, I got the follow what he said right before he made the transition to Bless God Industries. Check it out, bro. I got the following. I got 28, 000. I got 200, 000 on tick tock. 2 2, 300. 500,000. How do I monetize these people?

[Stephen]

You know what I mean?

[FDA]

How do I monetize these people?

[Jay]

So notice the messed up, weird inverted

[FDA]

ethics of these people.

[Jay]

It's more evil to say a four letter word or to call out scammy grifters than it is to actually grift

[FDA]

on all of these dumb evangelicals.

[Jay]

That's crazy to me. But this is the messed up. This is what Jesus said. You guys strain at gnats and swallow camels. So Gavin's more concerned about people talking mean and tone policing than his own dad co ministering with a dude that supports gay affir gender affirming ministries. This is, this is crazy, dude. These. It's this wise blow in my mind that this, this religion of evangelicalism is a religion, a performative public piety signaling. That's actually what the religion is, I think.

[FDA]

And that's why the whole thing is actually a branded business model.

[Jay]

So I've been calling it business church for 10 years.

[FDA]

One of the first popular live streams I did like eight years ago, nine years ago, was called Business Church about this. And it made a lot of evangelicals upset. And then a lot of evangelicals ended up converting back in that first wave of converts back in 2016. 17. And by the way, good news.

[Jay]

People have been saying, when are the women coming? The women are beginning to convert. There are more and more videos popping up. Why is this 6 days ago why I became orthodox? So the ladies are moving in this direction now

[FDA]

and again.

[Jay]

Do I know and am I saying

[FDA]

that Ruslan and Gavin Orland are specifically SPLC feds? I'm not saying that. There's not evidence of that. There is evidence though, of his dad specifically. And he supports his dad, obviously. Just had his dad on his podcast of his dad being a covert leftist supporting Kamala and, and Ruslan previously supporting Obama and then Andrew Yang, who have absolutely incompatible positions with Christianity pro trans, pro Roe v. Wade. In fact, Andrew Yang wanted to codify Roe v. Wade into law, that it could never be changed. Right. It can never be reversed. There's absolutely no way that a so called conservative person of any flavor could support that. It's, it's totally nonsensical, antithetical.

[Jay]

But again, people, I think a lot

[FDA]

of times they don't even care anymore. It's like they don't have any discernment or sense of like, what the red flags might be. Right? And so he says today, again, to avoid the extremists online and don't reply to them. And then he and his. And notice these people are connected and they network, right? So they accuse me of being a cult leader because ortho bros are, you know, aggressive online.

[Jay]

Okay, well, your dad supporting Butt Buddy Ministries is 10 times worse than people being aggressive online. And it's not just heaping praise. Their leaders in residence together. And again, the model of what Gavin and his dad promote is specifically an

[FDA]

ecumenist model that we're all generic Christians, like the mere Christianity idea, like C.S.

[Jay]

lewis.

[FDA]

That kind of an idea. Right. So that. So he has to. He's absolutely 100 monetarily and family committed to the heresy of ecumenism. That's the main issue here. Now, what did Father Moses point out a while back? That I think was a very perceptive comment about ecumenism. And he said ecumenism is not just an intellectual mistake, it's actually a mistake that begins morally. And oftentimes there's a butt buddy thing going on in the background. Now, I'm not saying every ecumenist is

[Jay]

skittles, but in many cases what happens

[FDA]

is the moral problems occur in a person's life and then they gradually begin

[Jay]

to adopt positions that end up justifying

[FDA]

or attempting to justify the moral action. Right.

[Jay]

And that's what all of this is.

[FDA]

I'm speaking of evangelicalism in general here. Massive portions of evangelicalism have been heavily pressured to move in the direction of

[Jay]

accepting skittles because evangelicalism itself is a

[FDA]

theologically compromised false position. It's not an authentic gospel. It's not an authentic church.

[Jay]

They're all business church all the way back to the Reformation. What? How could you say that about Luther? Well, remember we had a guy call

[FDA]

in the other day and he says virtue twerking is. Is hilarious. That's a great comment there at the Protestia website. Yeah, I'll give you guys an explanation. Ecumenism is a movement that is geared towards rediscovering the unity of the church. So its presupposition is that there's not one historical church in history. The church became divided. And so we must find and seek and discover the church at the end of some praxeological, dialectical journey. Literally, that's it. Now, ecumenical councils, that's not the same thing. Right. That's when the church gets together. And councils in the Middle Ages, the first thousand years of the church, and they would have debates about what was true and what was false. Right. The ecumenical movement is a heavily funded

[Jay]

State Department aided project that the Rockefellers,

[FDA]

for example, put a bunch of money into. And we'll talk a little bit about yoga because somebody put up a good orthodox video about yoga and it goes, it actually was very accurate because it went into the history of Swami Vivekananda attending the World Parliament of Religions in the late 1800s, which is where the ecumenist movement got its birth, the modern ecumenist heterodox movement. So we're not talking about, can my Catholic friend come to Church with me at the Orthodox church. We're not talking about, you know, can, you know, I go to a seminar at a Baptist church where they're teaching creation stuff. You can get blessings for those kinds of things. Sure. What we're talking about is can we have joint theological commissions, statements and meetings that imply that there is no historical church, that's the one true church, or that the church is in process of self discovery. Those are all politically geopolitically utilized tools that are very easy to demonstrate. We've done I don't know how many podcasts on that topic over the last 10 years. You can find them in the archives. So we're not going to talk about all that tonight, but that's what ecumenism is. And so for Orthodoxy, ecumenism ends up being something that violates the canons and what limits us as orthodox Christians. For example, I can't go to a Baptist service and partake of their Welch's grape juice and cracker communion. Right. That would be a violation of the ancient canons that say that orthodox cannot participate in the worship of schismatics and heretics. Okay, so that's an example. Yes. The Baha' I Faith does relate to this because the Baha' I Faith is a organization that was set up under the influence of people like Blavatsky and Theosophist and Perennialists to kind of create a syncretized synthesis religion. So it would be a version of a hyper ecumenist type of religion. But typically ecumenism is what we mean in the Christian domain of participating in not just dialogue and debate. But in fact they, they eschew the idea of debate and they talk about dialoguing to consensus. So it's more of a Hegelian process philosophy. And a lot of the ecumenists have actually underlying their thought, Hegelian process philosophy.

[Jay]

And notice none of this is in

[FDA]

the first thousand years of the Church. No Church fathers teach anything like this. And as I said the other day, it's interesting that whether it's scam Shamu and his version of ecumenist apostolic Christianity, which he made up for his grift, or whether it's Gavin Ortland and his dad's made up version of mere Christianity, C.S. lewis style, none of these people will

[Jay]

ever, ever tell you, and this is

[FDA]

why everybody becomes orthodox when they get

[Jay]

into this, that the first thousand years of Christianity, nobody teaches that. That is a made up doctrine that

[FDA]

you could really probably trace to Anglican branch theory.

[Jay]

So branch theory came about because the

[FDA]

Anglicans needed a way to Say, well, how could we have an idea of apostolic succession or doctrinal succession and a continuity with the ancient church, but not fall into the idea of a thousand different radical Reformation schisms? Well, branch theory.

[Jay]

Jesus has one church, but that church

[FDA]

is split into a bunch of branches. Roman Catholic, Anglican, Orthodox, and then perhaps Lutheran, Presbyterian.

[Jay]

There's no, there's no clear cutoff.

[FDA]

So you see that it doesn't get you anywhere. It's just another version of heterodox ecclesiology,

[Jay]

as if there's many Jesuses. Remember, all the arguments about ecclesiology reflect back on Christology because ecclesiology as the body of Christ is the outworking of Christology. So if you think there's a bunch of different churches that are all in schism, then there's not one visible body. If there's not one visible body, then

[FDA]

Jesus is not one visible body. So you see the logical and, and

[Jay]

the reason that none of these people

[FDA]

get this right is because they're not in the church. It's that simple. They are in a made up man made church.

[Jay]

Man made churches, even if they have 20% true doctrine, 50% true doctrine, 80% true doctrine, they're not the church. Because it only takes one heresy to remove you from the church. Right? Imagine if you were at the Council of nicaea or at Constantinople 1, you're

[FDA]

reading the Creed and you said, oh,

[Jay]

I believe all these things. I don't believe in one holy, catholic apostolic church. And that's what all of these people deny. And I know because I used to be a Calvinist and when I was a Calvinist, when we would read that in the Creed, I would say, oh, that doesn't mean a public visible church.

[FDA]

And it's not talking about one baptism, baptismal regeneration, it's spiritual.

[Jay]

So I would reword and reinterpret the Creed. Guess what? Gavin Orland and all the heretics do the exact same thing. Their whole system is premised on getting you to not become Orthodox. Saying the Orthodox are evil, dangerous extremists.

[FDA]

That's what he's implying here. Everybody knows he's talking about us. And of course he's pretending like that's

[Jay]

why they do this, a passive aggressive thing. They don't even have the balls to say who they're talking about. They're so cowardly they won't actually just say me. And again, why are you so mean to them? You're just being out of nowhere. No, no, this is over what, two years now? Year and a half, Politely. Not just Publicly, but behind the scenes,

[FDA]

talking to multiple people about having a dialogue or debate with West Huff, for example. Thank you.

[Jay]

And part of the reason for this is because many of the peoples in these people's orbits have become orthodox, so they want to facilitate discussion and dialogue. I'm talking about a lot of their people. If a lot of their best friends and co workers are becoming orthodox, in the case of West Hoffman, Ruslan, many of them.

[FDA]

I don't know much about Gavin Ortland's orbit. I'm not on Grindr, so I couldn't say.

[Jay]

But many of the people's orbit that are around these people have become orthodox. And then people try to facilitate friendly discussions or debates, and they don't want to do any of it. Nobody thinks it's odd that Wes Huff immediately debates the most ridiculous, idiot scammer

[FDA]

person on the Internet, Billy Corson, who

[Jay]

says the most ridiculous stuff, knocks down the lowest hanging fruit imaginable, and then will not ever discuss or debate any

[FDA]

of his other positions with anyone else.

[Jay]

In fact, he goes on Andrew Schultz, the comedian, and Andrew Schultz asks him one very simple question. What about the Orthodox?

[FDA]

They got a pretty ancient historic church.

[Jay]

And he's like freaking out.

[FDA]

Remember that?

[Jay]

Now West Hoff is always talking about like he lifts and he's benching and he's like this buff dude. A lot of buff dudes, by the way, are not actually tough dudes. They're mentally soft. You could be buff as hell and be in at the damn gay bar. A lot of that buff weightlifting stuff

[FDA]

is gay too, by the way. If you didn't know that, that I. I'm not saying West Huff is gay. I know these guys are married, by the way. You could be married and be gay

[Jay]

too, by the way, but the actions are faking gay. They don't actually want to stand up for the things that they're so morally superior about. If you're so superior morally, number one, you would call your dad out, Gavin Orland, for co ministering with a dude that's pro gay in terms of his ministries. Where is that call out? And why was your. Did you call your dad out for supporting pro trans, pro abortion politicians like Kamala? Did you do any of that? No.

[FDA]

But the Ortho bros, they got to

[Jay]

be called out because they're aggressive online and some of them say four letter words. So notice that evangelicalism, as I argued on the fourth hour of Alex Jones, is not just a performative, piety signaling thing. It's actually almost always some voice of the State Department or an ngo. They are beholden to their donors, just like a corporation is beholden to the shareholders. And their money will dry up if they don't keep pushing this government approved or the Democratic Party approved or whatever

[FDA]

element or outfit that they're connected to.

[Jay]

And by the way, people were saying that, Ruslan, I had no idea.

[FDA]

This was, this, was this crazy.

[Jay]

People were saying that Rusan was laughing

[FDA]

when the strikes on Gaza happened, which is just crazy to me.

[Jay]

Like, remember when he said the other day to me, he says, I, I don't care about what's happening in, in geopolitics. I don't care about none of that Wars, I don't care about Epstein, and none of that. I don't care about Christian Zionism. You don't care about the biggest heresy in America. So that tells you guys everything. Now, I've not confirmed that because I've

[FDA]

not seen the tweet or the video, but people are saying that when the strikes were happening, Ruslan was laughing about it like, like that's a laughing matter. I mean, these people are actually sick.

[Jay]

Now, somebody said, why'd you go on Rouge Lawn?

[FDA]

First of all, I didn't know any of this stuff. I never, I don't do deep dives into everybody, every podcaster's background.

[Jay]

I go on, if I did that,

[FDA]

I probably couldn't go on anybody's podcast, right?

[Jay]

But in this case. And by the way, I didn't just

[FDA]

go on there because Ruslan wanted to talk to me about my book.

[Jay]

We had a two hour debate and

[FDA]

I didn't know he was going to

[Jay]

do that, but I don't have a problem doing that. By the way, Notice he had no problem springing a two hour debate on me, but now they're all up in

[FDA]

arms about how dare you challenge people publicly to a debate. How dare you? How dare you?

[Jay]

Again, this is like after almost two

[FDA]

years of beefing with and, and having to deal with all the passive aggressive bull crap from these people.

[Jay]

People, man, it is so easy to set up a debate with me. It can be on Crucible, it could be on modern day debate, it could be on all kinds of platforms.

[FDA]

It doesn't have to be on Ruslan's platform.

[Jay]

He just made up nonsense that I'm mad because I couldn't go on his platform. That's not even true. He said in the past he would have me back on. There was no I'm not invited on the platform. He made that up. Just totally made up. That's why I said we can just debate on anybody's ch. A small channel. Pick a small channel out debate. Know you, you modern day debate is smaller than Rus Launchables debate there.

[FDA]

And then he says, oh, you must

[Jay]

publicly repent before all debate. Now again, everybody's doing the same move. It's the same bull crap that Lofton did in 2018.

[FDA]

I'll debate you maybe in writing. He said in writing. Give me a break, dude.

[Jay]

But you got to publicly repent to my satisfaction. I got to confess my sins to you.

[FDA]

I thought you didn't believe in priests.

[Stephen]

You.

[Jay]

You said all priesthood of all believers. Oh, but you're not the high priest

[FDA]

that I got to confess my sins. And this, none of it makes any sense, dude.

[Jay]

This absolute, no consistency. And you know, the only exchange that

[FDA]

I even saw was like Gavin Orland and Father Stephen DeYoung. Right? And then Gavin or I will never debate again unless they have credentials. Unless they have credentials. Well, the catechumen that you debated didn't have credentials.

[Jay]

It wasn't a debate. We changed the title of it. Well, how come Trent Horn had in the title of his video debate. Oh, did you tell Trent Horn to change the title of it? That it wasn't a debate? You bunch of liars. So you got called out. That's the only reason you changed it, because of pushback and you blamed it on your staff. And the reason we. The way we know that that's probably not true is that Trent Horn put the title of the three way discussion as debate. Did Ruslan say to a Trent, change that title would. And by the way, who's so freaking gay that they're scared of just using the word debate? This is so ridiculous. What's the point? These people are on the run. Banned on the run. Banned on the run. Look, why are they on the run? Ruslan flexing his channel in my face. Dude, you're on the downturn. You're the red. This is me versus you on YouTube in five years. Let's look at web search. Oh, Ruslan, KD, not very high dog. That's why he's the Christian TMZ now.

[FDA]

Right?

[Jay]

Anyway, we're moving on from Ruslan. We're going to talk about again, there's no reason why. And by the way, we tried for a long time to set up with

[FDA]

debates with these people.

[Jay]

So the, the idea that I just out of nowhere just decide, oh, he just attacks people for no reason. No, we've tried being nice with you people. We've tried to. To be super friendly, super Peaceful, multiple mutual friends trying to set up all kinds of discussions with you guys. And by the way, if we try to do that, you then say that we just want clout and To.

[FDA]

To. To.

[Jay]

Or clout goblins trying to get to

[FDA]

your audience and get clout from you.

[Jay]

Again, I don't need Ruslan's clout. I'm blowing his clout away. Same with Muhammad Hijab, that fraud, blowing him away in the last two years on Twitter and web search. And so his clout argument doesn't hold anymore. And who knows if he even bought those followers on X. You could. He could. He had a X account with a million followers a long time ago. He could have bought all that. And the metrics on Google show that he's not as popular as he claims to be. And then he copyright strikes when he loses a debate with. With Avery. So please explain to me how I'm bad for calling out this stuff when, for example, Christianity Today ran a month of ads for a gay affirming podcast connected to Andy Stan Stanley's church.

[FDA]

I don't even know who any of these gay evangelicals even are. Check this out. This episode is brought to you in part by Brian Nitzel and his new

[Jay]

podcast, Making Things Right, which is an

[FDA]

invitation for the church to restore faith

[Jay]

in the LGBTQ community.

[FDA]

You might be a parent or a friend of an LGBTQ individual trying to reconcile your love for them and your beliefs. You may be a church leader looking for better ways to navigate for anyone weary of the debate. And again, this is the guy married to a guy. So none of this bullshit that, well,

[Jay]

this is helping them to become straight.

[FDA]

No, it's not.

[Jay]

This is engineered to try to change

[FDA]

the moral teachings of the church to make it affirming of all this stuff. Is he married to a man? Let's see.

[Jay]

Gay man with a husband, scheduled to

[FDA]

speak at Christianity Today, Associated Promoted Conferences.

[Jay]

Now, everybody in our sphere, like, we

[FDA]

knew this a long time ago.

[Jay]

And I got. As soon as I came into orthodoxy,

[FDA]

I started calling out ancient faith for doing the exact same thing.

[Jay]

And what did they do? They spent six months attacking me as a bad person for calling it out

[FDA]

and then eventually having to admit that no, he was actually correct. This woman, Charlotte Riggle, was promoting the most heinous stuff to kids, and they were featuring her at their conference.

[Jay]

So again, they think you're dumb. They see you as a market. They market all this crap to you,

[FDA]

and then they subtly nudge you in the direction of accepting all this butt

[Jay]

stuff stuff you got.

[FDA]

I mean, I didn't even. I can't even believe they're running ads for this gay stuff on the. On the Cruciated Today podcast, actually. I can't believe it. Right? And almost all the speakers at these conferences.

[Jay]

Let's take a look. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

[FDA]

9 of 11 speakers are pro skittles.

[Jay]

And they think you're dumb.

[FDA]

They just think the audience is a bunch of. That we can grift off of. And Ruslan even says that to you, and you all still defend Ruslan because you're dumb. Oh, but did Jay say a four letter word? Oh, yeah, that's.

[Jay]

That's the real moral crux here again. Straining at gnats, swallowing camels.

[FDA]

Do y' all not know what that means? Jesus is talking about the people who

[Jay]

hyper fixate on minutiae so that they can be better than people.

[FDA]

Meanwhile, they over here hating people in their hearts, murdering, doing butt stuff.

[Jay]

Stuff that's ten times worse than, you

[FDA]

know, did you fast this week? Or, you know, did you say a four letter word when you were stuck in a traffic jam? Right. It's just ridiculous.

[Jay]

And by the way, these entities, all

[FDA]

of these evangelical entities, and they're these

[Jay]

fake and gay churches, they are themselves atheism engines. They're atheism factories. And how many people have come to orthodoxy and said, I was an atheist for 10 years, 20 years, because of this evangelical nonsense? So what does this all signify? The ortho bros are dangerous. They're falling back on the Saul Olensky SPLC tactic of just saying that all the opposition are dangerous extremists. This doesn't work, you idiots. Have you not realized that when the Biden administration tried this, it failed? And it now came out that all those entities but Biden ran on Charlottesville and Charlottesville was faking gay. As I said, after Charlottesville, when it happened, you got Jack Posoviak over here saying Scott Adams last year said it was fake. Wow, what a profit. I said it when it happened. What are you talking about? And I showed you the receipts one year after Charlottesville. And I'm talking about Charlotte, by the way. We're still digging up the podcast in 2017 about Charlottesville.

[FDA]

We did a podcast.

[Jay]

We did a whole boiler room talking

[FDA]

about it being an obvious honeypot. Fed nonsense.

[Jay]

Look at me, 2017. I'm talking about this type of stuff. Anything neo Nazi is fed run. The only thing that we didn't know

[FDA]

at that time with Unite the Right and Kessler and all those suspicious characters

[Jay]

was, who exactly was funding it? It could have been an FBI thing.

[FDA]

It could have been an NGO offshore. It could have been splc. It could have been a lot of different things that a Soros Foundation, Right?

[Jay]

And it turns out, well, guess what, A lot of those things are actually interconnected because Soros and George Clooney gave a whole bunch of money to the SPLC as the result of and before

[FDA]

Unite the right in 2016.

[Jay]

And I told people, don't go to it because it looks like an obvious Fed honey trap. And I remember Alex was interviewing the Kessler guy and saying, you seem suspicious. Last year you were a Democrat. Well, people could have a change of heart. People can have a change. I'm not a Democrat anymore. I believe in God, in the right wing. People fall for this over and over and over. You guys are so dumb. And it doesn't matter how many times it happens, you fall for it again. And then you call me the liar and the fake and the fraud. And you. You didn't know what you were talking about. I read about COINTELPRO 15 years ago. Yes, I did. And it's the same template that they use, not just for far right groups and neo in groups. They did the same type of thing with mosques. There's a whole documentary called the Newberg Sting. Watch the documentary. It's a template. And it's not all the Illuminati. It's different groups run these things. You can have an ngo, you can

[FDA]

have a foundation, you can have a Fed operation.

[Jay]

It could be different things that run a similar type of ops. And I've talked about this for so many years over and over and over and over. And you guys don't listen. There's a boomer idiot calling me a conspirator when I'm right about all of this. So I'm right, and I'm still a conspirator.

[FDA]

And I'm dangerous.

[Jay]

Dangerous extremist. What dangerous doctrine do I actually talk about or promote? Oh, there's not one. One. It's just made up because it's a script. It's a talking point. You understand these people have handlers if they're Feds or they have consultants, if they're in some sort of foundation or NGO situation, or they have business, church

[FDA]

consultants or shareholders, whatever they have.

[Jay]

And all of this stuff is run by money. You got to stop being so naive.

[FDA]

And I don't just mean is Ruslana Grifter.

[Jay]

I'm saying these churches, these entities, these foundations, we saw the same thing with who was putting money into getting the Orthodox church to promote gay stuff.

[FDA]

Arianna Huffington and her foundation.

[Jay]

And we saw the same thing during the kuf. Who was putting money into the OCA in different circles.

[FDA]

Eli Lilly Drug. Big giant drug corporations giving money to different outfits.

[Jay]

I've been talking about this over and over and over and over for over a decade. I am always right about this.

[FDA]

I might not.

[Jay]

I may be wrong about a specific, but the model is not that hard to figure out. Guess what, theology nerds. The world is not running on theology ultimately in the sense of decision on a day to day basis, okay? The people in the Pentagon, the people of the State Department, they're not theology nerds. They have nerds that they commission to study stuff. They're not making their decisions based on who's got the right theology. They're not spurgs. They're pragmatic power people. And they know that money runs the world. So you control a university, you control a seminary through money. Wake up. Stop being naive and stupid. If they want to change, for example, St. Vladimir Seminary into being pro Skittles, they're not going to send in a debate crew to convince everybody of being pro gay. They're going to send in a guy with billions of dollars to build a giant building and install the professors. And I've demonstrated that over and over and over and over. And then even ortho Christian starts putting out articles years after I talked about it, admitting all the stuff I said and then at one point implying that I'm a conspiracy theorist. Dude, you're saying the stuff I said just everybody needs to stop being so committed and tripling down to being wrong. It's okay to be wrong. It's all right, it's not a big deal. But everybody is so arrogant and so prideful that to even slightly be wrong would be a giant injury to their psychology, to their psyche. Guess what? We're all probably going to be wrong about stuff. But if somebody has a killer track record of being pretty accurate, I would say 95% on most of the stuff I talk about. At least in the overall picture for sure.

[FDA]

There have been a couple things I got wrong. Maybe I thought of an event 10 years ago, looked like a fake flag, maybe it was organic and used. They use informants, something like that. I can get a specific event wrong, sure.

[Jay]

But the overall model of how NGOs, think tanks and foundations do stuff, I have told you guys over and over and over and over and over, I'm right over and over. And over and over and over. And I still get called a conspiracy theorist. I still get. I. How many times did I say the Neo in Fed groups? And it's all bought, it's all promoted on purpose. Remember after, when I was on Alex six months ago and we got what, millions, A couple million views across all the clips of me talking about tiny mustache man being funded by banking elites and corporate elites to have a world war and I brought a bunch of receipts and out of the woodwork come just thousand hundreds of thousands of Nazi account bots just attacking me incessantly, thousands of comments attacking me and then lo and behold, oh, it turns out all the major Neo in groups for the last several years, decade or so or more, were absolutely run at the top by the SPLC money, of course. Duh.

[Stephen]

And was.

[FDA]

Am I correct about it?

[Jay]

Oh, well, you got, you got one.

[FDA]

Your.

[Jay]

Your toenail was incorrect. Your toenail wasn't clipped correctly because you said Fed and SPLC isn't technically Fed. They're tied into that. It doesn't matter. Just like, oh, it wasn't Gavin Orland's dad at Christianity Today. It's a. The truth is even worse because the crop, the picture was cropped. I, I couldn't tell what this was.

[FDA]

Right, right.

[Jay]

It's even worse because it's his dad co ministering with a dude that's a pro skittles minister. That's even worse than just being associated with Christianity Today. So the level of dishonesty and hypocrisy

[FDA]

is just off the charts with these people.

[Jay]

Another thing too, I don't respect evangelical leaders at all. All.

[FDA]

I have zero respect for them.

[Jay]

I have no respect for Calvinist pastors.

[FDA]

I despise them.

[Jay]

I don't have any respect for them. They're terrible people. I know I used to be in that world. So the expectation that I'm just going to default to treating everyone as, oh, well, we're all on the same journey towards the Lord and we all just have good motives and incentives. No, that's naive, right? As you get older, you will be less naive. Not everybody has good motives. Not everybody's out to, on a. They're not all on a theology Holy Grail quest like the spurgs are. I'm a spurg. I was on, I'm, I was on that quest for a long time and I think I found it in orthodoxy. But not everybody's on that quest. Not everybody puts truth as the highest goal. A lot of people unfortunately are tempted to put their family. Well, my Family's Roman Catholic. My whole life, I can't leave Roman Catholicism because my family's is Roman Catholic. I can't be Orthodox.

[FDA]

My wife.

[Jay]

I can't choose Orthodoxy. My wife is.

[FDA]

Is that.

[Jay]

Well, I'm not going to judge you personally, but I don't have to worship you and bow down to you and respect you.

[FDA]

And again, Ruslan spilled the beans, too.

[Jay]

And he said, I don't really like Orthodox people.

[FDA]

I don't like Orthodoxy. Thank you for finally coming out with the truth.

[Jay]

And by the way, that's a weird.

[Stephen]

He.

[Jay]

He's doing the same thing that the

[FDA]

women on Twitter did. Remember Ariel Morgan?

[Jay]

She said you guys critiqued my selfie

[FDA]

at the Orthodox Church.

[Jay]

So I'm. I'm not even going to ever go

[FDA]

back to Orthodox Church. And I will never consider Orthodox. Like, trying to morally blackmail us with your prep like that you won't grace us with your presence. And then here's Ruslan doing the exact same thing that Morgan Ariel did. This e. Chick, right? This e. Grifter, Protestant, evangelical, chicken.

[Jay]

I don't really like you guys anymore, and I will not go to the Orthodox Church.

[FDA]

Dude, are you a middle school girl? Is this the babysitters club? You're not going to blackmail us with your presence. With your. Blackmail us with your wannabe black presence. And by the way, I got. Father Deacon, did you want to say something? I see you in the chat here. Let's move on from these goobers and get into. We got a lot of topics. And so that's enough on these. I'm going to put the Christianity Today article here at protest, which is actually a really good article. Fda, do you want to say something?

[Jay]

Oh, I have a whole lot of stuff.

[Stephen]

Hold my tongue.

[FDA]

Can you give us a little bit of wisdom here?

[Jay]

Says it's right.

[Stephen]

Seriously. But isn't it crazy? What gets me is all these things that were vindicated about and yet people still use conspiracy. It's like, what. What does it take?

[FDA]

Well, the. The truth is that there's nothing that would ever convince them because they're not interested in what's true. And it's just a personal vendetta. All right? It's. It's people's personal vendettas of. I don't care if it's all. If it all ends up. If you're. I don't care if you're 100 vindicated. I'm still going to say you're a big bad person. In fact, they're more angry because we're Vindicated.

[Jay]

But look, there's a simple solution. It's okay to be wrong.

[FDA]

It's. It's.

[Jay]

I mean, it's not that big of a deal. I've been wrong in the past. I used to be a Calvinist. I was a.

[Stephen]

He used to be wrong. I mean, not anymore, but I used to.

[Jay]

I mean, you were Lutheran. Was it a hard. Was it a hard pill to swallow

[FDA]

to start thinking Lutheranism may not be true?

[Jay]

True?

[Stephen]

Oh, that's. That's an excellent question.

[FDA]

I mean, how committed were you to Lutheranism? Honest question.

[Stephen]

I just felt it was the best. I, I thought it was just the best that Protestantism had to. To offer, but I. I don't know. That's a good.

[FDA]

Like, were you planning to try to be like, a Lutheran pastor or how. No, no, not at all.

[Stephen]

I mean, I, I had pride in it insofar as, you know, it was like my Norwegian American roots from Minnesota, and I was like, you know, I tied some identity into that. And I was like, wasn't Buck? Isn't Bach Lutheran?

[FDA]

Look.

[Stephen]

Look at that kind of stuff like that.

[FDA]

That's what. That's the type of stuff redeemed Zoomer says. Right. Like, look at this, you know, business that we've. This, these, these giant. Look at these giant skyscrapers that Western civilization builds. That's from Protestant FL.

[Stephen]

Them. But, I mean, just slowly seeing issues come into the Missouri Synod and it changing. I mean, I just didn't. I don't know, I didn't feel that committed to it, but I just thought it was the best that Protestantism had to offer. I think even Cleave kind of thought that too, before. But I wasn't. I was happy to leave

[Jay]

that.

[Stephen]

I wasn't. But, you know, I've been wrong about other stuff. Remember, I used to believe in theistic evolution and, and libertarianism and, And Thomism, and so I. Yeah, it's okay to be wrong. Not forever, though. You can't be wrong. You're confronted with facts. You got to change. That's. That's the thing.

[FDA]

Yeah. None of us gets to make reality what we want it to be. We don't get to create the truth. Right. We're all immediately subservient to what is

[Jay]

true, whether we like it or not.

[FDA]

And that's. That's difficult. You know, there's a lot of things in life, there are difficult truths in life, and, you know, the, the immature attitude is to say, I don't care. I'm gonna make what what I want to be true.

[Jay]

True.

[FDA]

Right. That's the. Essentially the sin. It's an echo of a recapitulation of the sin of the garden. Right. Lucifer says, Satan says, you will determine what's true and false, what's right and wrong. You will be as gods. You won't submit to what God has determined is true. And by the way, truth is not just theological truth. Right.

[Jay]

You have to submit to truth in

[FDA]

any area of life, don't you? Don't you think.

[Stephen]

Say it again. Do you have to submit the truth?

[Jay]

Like, it's not just a matter of theological truth.

[FDA]

It's. It's truth in general. Right. Like, you can't. Can't say, well, that's talking about, like, religious truths. Like, but I don't have to care about, like, what's true in terms of, like, you know, the ethics of Gaza attacks, you know, like, like Ruslan says, I don't have to care about anything in the political realm. Yeah, yeah.

[Jay]

Well,

[Stephen]

I mean, that's very, like, American and.

[FDA]

Exactly.

[Stephen]

Come from Luther's two kingdoms.

[FDA]

Exactly. No, you're spot on.

[Stephen]

The only thing that matters is the kind of religious fear and it's separated from.

[Jay]

But it's not.

[FDA]

It's not just Luther. I mean, you could find maybe the traces of the two kingdoms, but it's actually the radical Reformation doctrine. Like, their whole ethos is God has nothing to do with politics in the state. In fact, the state is an entity that is demonic and satanic. So, you know, a lot of Baptists have that tradition of saying and thinking, this is disestablishmentarianism of Roger Williams is what we talked about last night, what with. And yesterday on Alex, with the tradition of Al Mohler of the Southern Baptist. He's so night and day with what their actual Baptist teaching used to be. Because Baptists were founded on the separation of God and government, not just a church and state in the Constitution, but also the idea out of Roger Williams that God has nothing to do with the state and the civil society that became the American ethos. Right. The Puritans, many of them didn't believe that. Many Puritans believe in a theocracy. Calvinist believe in a theocracy. Roger Williams said, no, God has nothing

[Jay]

to do with the state.

[FDA]

Alexander, what's up?

[Guest Caller 2]

Hey, what's up, gentlemen?

[FDA]

Yo, what's up?

[Guest Caller 2]

Nothing a lot to dive into tonight. Obviously, a lot of people are interested in this topic, but I think first thing I like to say is to all the catechumens out there, just understand that most of these Evangelical goobers. And, you know, these prots and the Novus Order of Catholics, they're not your friend. So they will. You got to be very mindful of this. They'll bring you on for you to be the representation of orthodoxy to their audience, and they'll try to cut you down for exactly that reason. So that way they can show their audience, hey, look, look, Orthodox is not true. Look how we just cakewalked this guy. Mind you, use a catechumen in the church for maybe a couple months or something like that. The audience doesn't know or care about that.

[FDA]

Absolutely. Yeah. I. I don't believe Ruslan's story anymore. Just because somebody pointed out the other day that Trent Horn put up on his channel that the. The whole situation was a debate. And.

[Guest Caller 2]

Yeah, Ruslan's full of. He's absolutely lying about it. No doubt.

[FDA]

And. And nobody who believes that he would have changed it if he hadn't got pushback, right?

[Guest Caller 2]

No, he would left it the same if nobody said anything. It's not like he came to that judgment on himself. He didn't even claim that argument, like, oh, I came to this judgment after the fact. You know, I should have been wise for that. No, he pushed it off on his underlings and said, oh, yeah, my people messed up. It's their fault. But another thing about Rusan is how are you gonna preach at Rhythm Church and then make arguments against orthodoxy? There's so many of these, you know, smoke machine rock bands.

[FDA]

Yeah, well, to have the churches, to have the gumption, the gall to say that orthodoxy is accretions. That's. He's using that Gavin Ortland argument. But then he goes and preaches at R B Church.

[Guest Caller 2]

It's an absolute joke. I mean, where was. Where was R B church in the first thousand years of Christianity?

[FDA]

Oh, well, that's not an accretion, though. That's not Gavin's accretions.

[Stephen]

Yeah, it's just. It's a.

[Guest Caller 2]

It's a wild topic, honestly, dealing with. With Ruslan. And another part of it that you started to point out today. I'm glad you brought it up. Up. Is all these guys, all of them have fake followers. Like, how is it that these, like, not just him, but, like, guys on Twitter, like our Indian friend Dinesh D' Souza or like, Glenn Beckrand, like that. Like, what, 4, 5, 6 million followers?

[FDA]

Yeah, Dinesh has, like, multiple millions, and then he won't get more than, like, a handful. Like, sometimes he'll get. If he gets a big account sharing him, he'll get a little bit of traction. But on many of his replies and posts, it's like, I get more than he does. So. Yeah. And who, who actually believes these people didn't buy followers? I don't believe it.

[Guest Caller 2]

Absolutely did. I mean, Dinesh, the only time he gets traction on, on anything is when, you know, people in our sphere notice it and everybody's filling his comments up with like, yo, you're wrong, you're stupid. Yeah, that's the only time he ever gets any traction whatsoever. All these guys are like that.

[FDA]

Let's do a little. Go ahead.

[Guest Caller 2]

Real rub of it is, is that these people notice how vulnerable their ideology is right now. Evangelical, the Novus Order, Catholic and stuff like that. Even if you're nice to these people, you say, hey, listen, I hope you open up your heart to orthodoxy. I'd love for you to come to a divine liturgy. They will come back at you very aggressively because they are incredibly threatened right now.

[FDA]

Absolutely. Absolutely they are. That's why they're freaking out. And take a look here. And as I said earlier in terms of metrics since these people. And by the way, d' Souza tried to flex too, because initially he was too big and too famous to debate me, even though he's already debating people like at our tier in our sphere.

[Jay]

So for the first time ever, we

[FDA]

are right there next to d'. Souza. Now if you go full time, right, go back to like years ago, obviously he's going to blow me away, but look at the graph here. In the last few months. We're right there with him. That's web search, I guarantee you, by the way, we probably blow him away on YouTube. Let's take a look. Oh yeah. So we are black blowing him away out of the water. We're 10 times more searched on YouTube than Dinesh is. Were right next to him in the last few months on web searches. But he wants to flex also to me that he's too big and too good and too prominent to debate me. And again, these, like, I didn't even look.

[Jay]

I wasn't thinking about this until I'm like, you know what? I wonder if these people are even

[FDA]

telling the truth about their numbers. Because you can't trust necessarily video views and subscribers because that can easily be fake. But it's harder to fake. Take the native search results on YouTube and Twitter. I mean YouTube and Google and the Google Analytics do not support their, their flexing in my face theories. I mean, we're, we're literally nobody in the last few months in these Spheres is beating. There's a handful, obviously, like, Joe Rogan, obviously, is going to always be up there beyond us. But on YouTube, like, we're about. We're blowing all these people out of the water. Okay. And part of that, yes, is me going on all those shows. And. But that. That's the point of going on all those shows. Right. So you.

[Jay]

They want to flex in my face,

[FDA]

but their flexing is actually fraudulent. They don't actually have the numbers.

[Jay]

And look at the trends. What was the trend with Ruslan?

[FDA]

What. What was the trend with any of these people? It's actually going down, down versus what we're doing. Ours is going up over. Along. Well, okay, his. His searches have gone up a little bit on the web, but we're on web search. We're actually

[Jay]

eight times almost what he is searched. And on YouTube, 20 times more searched than him.

[FDA]

And he's flexing his numbers in my face. Get out of here with that dude. Ryan, what's up? Ryan, what's up on you.

[Stephen]

Yo, what's up, man?

[FDA]

I wanted.

[Stephen]

Can you hear me? Yeah. I wanted to ask you because, and I don't mean to change the subject slightly, but I was watching your interview with Jesse Lee Peterson, which is hilarious,

[FDA]

by the way, because, you know, he's

[Stephen]

just who he is. And he had asked you a question about Orthodox. He said, why is Orthodox so dark and depressing? And that's just like, what the Protestant, you know, mind frame is really. And I do get it because I, you know, I used to have that same mindset. Like, you see parts of the Orthodox

[FDA]

Church, maybe, like, the scheme of monks,

[Stephen]

and you think that this is like some foreign, like, maybe, like, I don't know, evil. Evil wickedness.

[Jay]

I mean, it's an ancient church, dude.

[FDA]

It predates electricity. What, like, they have candles? What?

[Stephen]

Somebody asked. I, you know, I posted photos before liturgy, and they were like, you know, you're worshiping God. Why don't you have a smile on your face? I'm like, because I'm not a clown, because I take my job seriously. You know me.

[FDA]

Why do you have a smile?

[Stephen]

To joke. But when I'm in the literature, energy, I'm sober, focused. And I'll just mean I haven't been drinking. I have a sober mindset, and I'm focusing all my attention. Let us attend on the worship. And.

[Jay]

But.

[Stephen]

But a similar thing like that. It's like a Protestant church. You act like a clown, like, you

[FDA]

know, and it's all performative.

[Stephen]

What's that?

[FDA]

It's all performative.

[Stephen]

Yeah, Mike, you don't. I mean, where's this rule that you have? This is why Russians make fun of Americans when you go, they were slow because we're constantly with a smile on it. It's like. Well, for the Russians, you know, they smile when something's funny. They don't walk around like a clown all the time.

[FDA]

I should have said. I should have said the Orthodox Church for black people. Google. That's why it's dark up in there. We're trying to bring y' all in. By the way, here is remember. Remember Derek Mythvision? He was flexing his numbers in my face, saying, I got a much bigger channel than you. Nobody's even gonna know what your channel is in six months to a year. And I'll be at a million subscribers or half a million, whatever he said. Oh, interesting. Let's look at Myth Vision's numbers here. Oh, Myth vision is on YouTube. Searched 20 times less. Were 20 times, searched more than Derek Mythvision. And on web search, it's 23 times more. So, again, all of these people, man, it's all facade, dude. If you go to the Google Analytics. Now, granted, this is not tracking X, so you could technically be really big on X. And you're not registering on Google and YouTube, but Google and YouTube are still the number one and number number two search engines. So, yeah, most of these people who are trying to flex numbers and be so. And by the way, they couch the numbers in their piety.

[Jay]

Yeah, I'm trying to flex numbers, dog.

[FDA]

But, like, you're just trying to get some clout, man. You're trying to get numbers. You're trying to get your. Your channel.

[Jay]

Dude, are you.

[FDA]

You're talking about the most clickbait TMZ dude out there. I mean, Ruslan didn't even talk about theology. All he talks about is, like, the. He talk about clavicular. The. The other day, he talks about not critiquing him either, by the way, but, like, talking about, you know, TMZ and gossip stuff. Ryan, what's up? I mute.

[Stephen]

Yeah, I mean, with. My point with that was just that the Protestant church is, in reality, just all about vibes. And so if the vibe, you know, around the Orthodox Church, if you're Protestant, is like some spooky foreign thing that just doesn't seem right, then you're just

[FDA]

never gonna get it. Yeah, it was an odd question. I. I wasn't even sure necessarily how to answer that. Retro. What's up, guys? You want to support the stream? You can leave a super chat, you know, I'm just trying to get paid right here, dog. Yeah, we're trying to get paid over here.

[Jay]

Leave a super chat, man. I'm trying to monetize.

[FDA]

That's a joke, by the way. What's up, Retro?

[Stephen]

Hey, what's going on? I just had a question about the Canon of Scripture. So little bit different. You've many times cited various Protestant scholars like J.N.D. kelly, F.F. bruce and I think Lee McDonald, where they both, they all admitted that the Septuagint was widely used by the church and there were different canons where the church fathers had different, different versions of the canon. Right. I've always wondered if these Protestant scholars have, you know, done their research and they've gotten that far. Why. What do you think is the most likely reason that those scholars would still choose to remain Protestant? Because I've heard the line of what when someone goes back in history, they cease to be Protestant?

[Guest Caller 2]

Is it.

[Stephen]

Do you think it has something to do with like the sunk cost fallacy or something?

[FDA]

Yeah, I mean in the specific cases of those guys, I don't, I can't say because I don't know what their motivations are. But I mean, I think most people's, you know, I mean they may have not known a whole lot about orthodox Christianity. Like Lee McDonald is a Baptist scholar, so he might not. Not have much idea of what orthodox Christianity holds and teaches in this present day. But yeah, I mean, who, who knows why? I mean people have all kinds of reasons why they don't continue or convert. Probably something like that. I couldn't say what, what their motives are. Oh, and what's up? I'm trying to figure out if there's a good. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah.

[Stephen]

Why do these Protestants and like low church people, like preach against extremism? Because Christ is asking us to die.

[FDA]

You cut out what. Yeah, I mean, I think they would just say that you're misinterpreting Christ's words in terms of what you consider extreme. But I mean, I mean, it's not even a clear idea. It's a talking point. Right. It's a leftist activist style talking point. It's the type of talking point that Biden and the DNC and the SPLC and all these groups have used for many, many years, which is to say that anybody of the opposition is an extremist. And that comes out of the whole idea of 911 in the post 911 world and domestic extremists. Now remember after 911 it was Muslims are the Radical domestic extremists that we got to watch out for. And then that gradually transitioned, as Alex, by the way, predicted many, many years ago, Alex was saying, in the 2000s, this is going to transition from radical Islamic extremists to white people. And that's exactly what happened. And, you know, several series of events, including especially Charlottesville, this was a whole basis for the Biden campaign. He even said, I'm going to run on Charlottesville, Will. And the idea that the number one threat to America is white, Christian, male domestic extremists. Right? The racists and the nationalists and all this stuff. And what did we see? Lo and behold, they had to create the very thing as the justification for their positions and their policy. So. And that's what I was saying. I'm going to dig up the boiler room episode. Episode. Right. I found the post, but it's not on. It might have got removed from Spreaker, the podcast we did, but thankfully, Hesser has an archive of all those things. And I'm going to show you guys that we said right after it happened that it was a total honey trap, fake ass thing, and we were 100. Correct. The only thing we didn't know was exactly what group. Right. But that's now come out. So here, let's see this clip. And it's. I'm looking for clips to show exactly what happened with Muhammad Hijab. By the way, he claims to have, like, six degrees. I mean, I don't know if I. I mean, somebody needs to, like, double check that. Maybe he does. I'm not saying it's not possible, but as deceptive as this dude is, somebody needs to, like, figure out, did he get these from a diploma mail? Did he really get Oxford degrees or whatever? He's claimed, like, sick. Who actually claims Tristan as a joke claims to have, like, six degrees. Again, it's possible, but somebody needs to confirm that means criterion.

[Jay]

Okay, so what does it mean? A standard of truth that tells you what's right and what's wrong. That's what they're laughing at.

[Guest Caller 1]

The Quran says the Torah is Alpha Khan.

[Jay]

I just said in chapter 21, verse 48.

[Guest Caller 1]

And in chapter 2, verse 53.

[Jay]

The Torah is African,

[FDA]

By the way. Notice here is Avery doing the very thing that I do in debates, which is laugh and make fun of the opponent. Is anybody calling him out for losing his cool and acting insane and acting? No know, because he's correct, right? So he's making fun of Muhammad Hijab, who made a huge blunder and didn't realize that the terminology there is actually that the Torah is the standard of truth, the criterion. That's where the Islamic dilemma always gets these people. So I'm glad that somebody finally confronted Hijab and maybe he'd been confronted on this before and I just haven't seen it. But to finally pin this dude down on the Islamic dilemma is great.

[Jay]

Job doesn't know what to say.

[Stephen]

And guess what?

[FDA]

He just about to. He's about to. He's about to concede.

[Stephen]

Except I just said chapter 21, verse 48. It says that we gave Moses and

[Jay]

Aaron the scripture and the criterion. Right? Yeah, that's true. That's true, that's true. Thank you.

[FDA]

Oh, that's true.

[Stephen]

Interesting.

[Jay]

That's true, that's true, that's true. What does means criterion? Okay, so what does it mean? A standard of truth that tells you what's right and what's wrong.

[FDA]

So he laughs and then later says, okay, yeah, you're right, dude. I've been saying for a good two years now, Muhammad a job is a straight up fraud. I don't even think this. I mean, maybe he memorized a bunch of Arabic verses of the Quran. But I mean, who actually believes this dude is like some six degreed genius? Anybody's who's who.

[Jay]

Look, my default if somebody claims that

[FDA]

they got six degrees is that they're a con man and they got it from a diploma mill. Do I know that? No. I did see a video from those people that are kind of in the David woods circles. It's a. It's a guy and his. I think it's his wife and they're like ex Muslims. I forget the name of that channel. But they do a thing exposing Hijab. What is the name of that ch?

[Jay]

I can never.

[FDA]

I think they're evangelicals and they went and they did a deep dive of his supposed university that he's a part of. Like him and his dad run an online university or something. Let's see if I can find it. Somebody in the chat will know who I'm talking about. It's like a guy in a. They have a funny song that begins their podcast. That's all these Muslims. It's dumb quotes from all the Muslims. No, not owned. Is it these people, Mr. And Mrs. Ex Muslim? It might be them. Let's see if this is it.

[Jay]

Muhammad Hijab has been denying all along that he married Aisha or that he did anything wrong, behaved unethically, or harmed this woman.

[FDA]

No, that's not it. Does anybody Know what I'm talking about? There's a, there's a, a couple that does a show, Giant Doc. That's them. That's him. Giant Doc. And they talk about Muhammad Hijab's fake ass university or what looks to be fake.

[Stephen]

Alleged.

[FDA]

Okay, this is them. Hotel marriages. What the heck is that? Oh well, they got a million videos on Muhammad Hijab so I know there's one about his fake university. Does anybody know what their video is about? Muhammad Jobs school or university or whatever it is. CPN Institute. Maybe I could search it from that. Let's just try that. That. Somebody post that or maybe put it on X if you know, if you guys remember the stream that they did talking about his background in his university. I remember watching it maybe a year ago. It was, I think it was right after he debated. It might have been an old clip though. But when he debated William Lane Craig, I remember watching their deep dive into his background which to me looks like a bunch of fake fraud. Is this it? No, that's not it. By the way, the Muslim cowboy, I also challenged him to do a debate and I don't think he's going to do it. Anybody in the chat know what I'm talking about? Hijab got six degrees from fau. Fake ass University. Maybe he went to bnu. He went to Captain Crack Rock.

[Guest Caller 1]

So

[FDA]

University.

[Jay]

All right.

[Guest Caller 2]

I don't.

[FDA]

I can't find that exactly what it was titled, but it does exist. Somebody should find that. I probably saved it. Maybe I could look at my saved files. The Agora. What's up? Were there any other highlights you guys from the God logic debate? I mean other than Muhammad job copyright strike in the debate to get it taken down. Was there any other highlights of that? I need to look and see. What's up man? I'm Agora.

[Stephen]

Hey Jay, shout out to you and FDA man. Love you guys. I wanted to sort of bring up an issue with the whole Protestant thing that you were talking about earlier. I don't think many people talk about this, but when I was a Protestant and my family's super Protestant, a lot of the churches that we were in, including like the Pentecostal stuff, a lot of them would tell you and encourage you to not look into any church history, anything about the canon of scripture. Like nothing. Because their reasons was, well, if you do that, you might fall into the trap of believing something that might not be true. And so it'll make you fall away from the truth, which is Protestantism. So just trust the word of God, that's all you need. And don't worry about anything.

[FDA]

Well, that means. No, I mean that means trust the Protestant pastor's interpretation. Right? So by the way, what's that? What sounds more like a cult. Us over here trying to tell you to go visit Orthodox church church, refute all these heresies, learn the laws of logic. Use your critical thinking. Don't follow me for spiritual advice. Does that sound like a cult or does it sound like more like a cult to say don't read the church fathers. Don't look at those questions, don't ask those questions. Who's more cult?

[Stephen]

Like definitely the Protestant side.

[FDA]

Exactly. Yeah, that's a great point too. We forget that basic point that a lot of the Protestant churches, even though they're not technically cults, the, the pastors will act cult. Like when they say stop asking those questions. Don't read the church fathers. On and on and on. What's up man?

[Guest Caller 1]

Can you hear me? All right. Hey Jay. I've been listening to your, your, your YouTube and quite a bit of your lives for a while. I even joined your discord. So I, I'm actually a, a Pentecostal.

[FDA]

Right.

[Guest Caller 1]

And I've been looking into Orthodoxy, inquiring it uh, with Fearless Truthn Nick and stuff that you were saying. I even watched your six hour live stream. Can you just go through with me as of like, like what it is that I should actually know about Pentecostalism, Why it's actually false. Like I, I understand like the, the first thousand years of church history doesn't teach at all like Charismatics or Pentecostalism, but.

[FDA]

Well the New Testament is not. The New Testament doesn't teach Charismatic Pentecost. For example, in the Book of Acts, its known languages, people are hearing the gospel in their own language. That's the miracle. There is no gibberish prayer language.

[Guest Caller 1]

Right. And that I actually agree with. I'm, I'm actually trying to leave Pentecostalism. It's just, it's really hard when I hear you talk to a bunch of other Pentecostal Protestants. But yeah, like I'm trying to find these things that you are talking about. So like I, I want to, I want to trust your words and, and do the research, but I don't know where to start. Do you have like any, anything for like those who are looking into orthodoxy, like trying to leave Pentecostalism just to you know.

[FDA]

Well, maybe how you understand it. I mean I could tell you a bunch of orthodox theology books, but like I don't Know of one orthodox book written against Pentecostalism. I mean, Orthodoxy and Religion. The Future has Father Seraphim Rose's extensive critique week of the Charismatic Pentecostal Movement. But I mean, what's that website? Orthodox info.

[Stephen]

Yeah, orthodox info. Thank you. Might actually have. Because there's like section of Protestant, like various different Protestant sects. People write articles. There might be something particular to that. You might check that out.

[FDA]

Yeah, there is a, there is an article here called the Charismatic Movement and Orthodoxy that might be a good article here talking about how, you know, the idea of having direct experience of God is true, but it's not what the Charismatics think. So there's this one, it's called the Charismatic Movement and Orthodoxy. And this is kind of going to Saint Simeon the New Theologian. And then there's an article here from Father Seraphim Rose's critiques. This is probably from Orthodoxy and Religion in the Future. So if you're looking for like that type of critique, I mean, yeah, there's plenty of articles that critique it, but is there a specific issue that you are. Are having an issue with? Like how are we supposed to worship or what are tongues? Or like what's the, what's the problem?

[Guest Caller 1]

So for, for me, I, I just wanna obviously worship the, the true God. I, I was a Jehovah Witness and then I, I left and joined Pentecostalism. And so like, I'm trying to find my wallet, the Holy Spirit guiding me. But it's really hard when there's just so much to learn and hearing you discuss it, it. I don't, I don't see like, I find it to be more in the truth than not even if I may not know a lot. But it's sound arguments that I, I don't see to be actually are quite overwhelming. What was that website that you said? So I don't forget yet it's pulled

[FDA]

up on the stream right now. It's orthodox info. Charismatic Revival as a sign of the times.

[Guest Caller 1]

Okay, sounds good. Yeah. Because I'm on my phone so I, I was watching a stream at home.

[Stephen]

But I always like Jay's argument that and, which is eventually what l led me to Orthodoxy. What is right worship.

[Guest Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

And it's not laid out in the Bible how you're supposed to worship, but it's implied because Native and Abihu are actually killed for changing the worship service. So only you have to kind of go back to the history, the historical church, because you're not going to find that. But obviously scripture is saying it's it's. It's essential.

[FDA]

Right.

[Stephen]

God killed people in the Old Testament for the sons of Aaron for.

[FDA]

And kills people. And kills people in the New Testament for worshiping improperly. When Paul says that you can die from improper Eucharist. Right. So the old, that principle continues from the Old New Testament. He says some of you are sick and even dying, but because you're not reverencing the eucharistic table. So. But I mean, beyond that, like, you know, I did a video about how there's no new divine revelations and if there's no divine new. No new divine revelations that undercuts the entire Azusa street revival. Right.

[Guest Caller 1]

Yeah, I, I've. I actually, I've been binge watching quite a bit of your videos. I've been meaning to talk to you to get. See getting you in your life. I just have one thing, though, that. That really doesn't work well. It's kind of hard for me to accept what. And I kind of want your opinion, and I hope you can answer it because I haven't seen you. I haven't seen videos of you talking about it yet. I know there are, but I just want to ask you. So obviously coming from Pentecostal, looking into Orthodoxy, I hear that, that you. The venerating of saints, having the icons, and I heard that, like, you guys take like a relic of an apostle's foot or something and like, you venerate it. Is. Are these things actually true? Like these three things?

[FDA]

Absolutely. Do you, do you not. Do you don't see relics all throughout the Old and New Testament?

[Stephen]

Okay.

[Guest Caller 1]

Always in the old test in the Old Testament or even a new. Would it be someone's body part?

[FDA]

I mean, the bones of Elisha resurrected somebody. They took claws from Paul's bodies body and healed people from. I mean, this is stuff that charismatics even refer to all the time. So you're not familiar with that. You're right. No, you're right.

[Stephen]

Okay.

[Guest Caller 1]

All right.

[FDA]

Yeah. Watch the documentary. Yeah, watch the documentary that we made called Christian Worship in the Old Testament. So that would answer a lot of those kinds of questions, but good questions, man. Appreciate that. Colton, what's up? See, we're not mean to everybody.

[Stephen]

Oh, he's so mean.

[FDA]

Colton, what's up, man? You want to mute Colton? I mean, yeah, I agree that the carrying of Joseph's bones, the staff and the old Moses staff, like, those are all great examples. Examples of relics. The problem with the Moses bones thing is that they're just going to say, oh, they're just taking care to bury him. Right. So I already know the Protestant copes for that, but I think it's really hard to. To get away from, you know, the Ark of the Covenant, the imagery inside the temple. Colton, what's up, man? All right, you're not going to talk. We're going to move on. Jeff, what's up, guys? Let's not, you know, know, let's not do basic questions in terms of like, if you're Orthodox, please don't call in about basic questions. What's up? I'm not talking about the guy that. The charismatic guy. I'm talking about non Orthodox people. Jeff, what's up?

[Stephen]

How's it going, man? So I come from like a martial arts background. You hear me?

[FDA]

Yep. Yeah, yeah.

[Stephen]

You hear me?

[FDA]

Yes.

[Stephen]

Okay, cool. One second. So I have the YouTube playing in the background, Dude, I don't know what's going on.

[FDA]

Simulacra, what's up?

[Stephen]

Hello? Can you hear me?

[FDA]

Yeah. What's up, man?

[Jay]

Hi.

[Stephen]

So I. I was just calling in to thank you. I just. I just had my first Russian Orthodox Church service the other day, and I'm going to be coming back and I just called in to thank you.

[FDA]

Oh, hey, that's great, Simulaca. Glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, them Russians don't play around in the liturgy now. I think we may go to the Antiochian church tomorrow. Not because I'm not going to the Russian church. Just where I'm at, it's very difficult to get to. Russian church is like almost three hours away and the Antiochian church is maybe an hour. We didn't go there for a long time because they didn't want us there. But counter docs was up, man. I'm talking about. They didn't want us there during COVID So it was not a great place locally for the Koof times. But what's up, man? I'm. You. Counter docs, can you hear me? Huh?

[Stephen]

Yeah. I just want to add to how stupid this evangelical thing is.

[FDA]

Sure.

[Stephen]

So I was. I was an atheist over 20 years, and every time when my friends come to me or any of these evangelical people came to me, they were pretty much like, hey, trust the Bible, because trust me, bro. And I'm. And you know, from like a hyper rationalist point of view is like, this is so stupid. There's. There's no way you guys actually fall for this crap.

[FDA]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

And a few years ago, it took me less than three months to fully accept Orthodoxy. I just wanted to let you know that.

[FDA]

Well, and what were the. What were some of the other things that you saw in the evangelical world that were just kind of clownish and ridiculous that kind of made you move out of it?

[Stephen]

Well, I mean, I never got into it, you know.

[FDA]

Oh, I thought you were in there.

[Stephen]

That doesn't even make any sense. It's like, okay, well, you come to me, you're like, okay, well, here's the. Here's the word of God, man. And I'm like, why? How. Why would I believe that? They're like, because.

[Guest Caller 1]

So.

[Stephen]

So that never answers the question. And back then, I was. I ran one of the turning point chapters at my school and that just, you know, they were feeding you pretty much. I would say it's pretty much grooming you to be Zionists and evangelical Gnostics. And that just never fit right with me, you know? And a lot of times you can see that they're also nominalists, you know, especially, like, issues like, you know, homosexuality. They actually promote it in a way which I didn't understand why, if you quote conservative and traditional, that doesn't make any sense. So, like, eventually I was like, well, I talked to these people at high school and in the high school, in my college, and they're like, well, you're anti gay, you're anti. All this stuff we understand, but what makes. Why do we have to listen to you view? And that's when I was like, wait a minute. They're right. You know, I. I actually don't have a worldview where I can justify why what I believe is universal. So I pretty much just precept myself. And then the only worldview there is orthodoxy. So that took less than three weeks.

[FDA]

Well, that's good, man. I appreciate you calling into Sam Shimon, too. I saw that. I think that was you that called in and asked him, why should I accept Fatima proving, you know, Catholicism, but I shouldn't accept Zytun proving Coptic stuff? And then he makes up this thing that it proves all of them, which is preposterous. But, Jeff, you want to try again?

[Stephen]

Hey, I was gonna say so, yeah. Again, I come from, like, a martial arts background and jiu jitsu. And so looking into orthodoxy, I realized once I started listening to your same, same, same with, like, counter docs, it probably took me like, a week or two. And I realized this is a battle of worldviews.

[FDA]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

Just like in jiu jitsu, if you have a bad technique, you kind of just let it go.

[FDA]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

And get the one that works. But what's going on right now reminds me of, like, the 80s and 90s when, like, the UFC Jiu Jitsu, like, Muay Thai was coming up. A lot of the kung fu guys that were doing all this, like, tai chi stuff didn't want to fight and actually put up their technique versus these other martial arts because it was bad for their money. You know, everybody was paying to go to a kung fu studio and paying all this money, and they didn't want to be exposed. So that's what it reminds me of, you know, like, yeah, orthodoxy isn't flashy in the same sense of, like, you know, Ruslan, Thai people. And it's.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

So it's just. But, you know, now look at ufc, Jiu Jitsu's everywhere. So it's really a matter of time.

[FDA]

Exactly. And it's happening even faster, I think, than I would have expected. Because, you know, you know, you look at this chart, and the graph shows, like, interest just from 24 to now is 50 times what it was in 2024, 2023. But we could also. That's just looking at my. My outlet. Let's try. Let's check out Orthodoxy, Orthodox Christianity. Let's try Eastern Orthodoxy first. Wow, look at that graph. In five years, From 2020 to 2026, you have 4, 5 right around in 2022, and now it's at 100. Let's check it on YouTube heavily there in 2023, and then almost right back up to it in 2026, and you can see the rise. Let's check the full 2008 to present. Look at that. It looks like the bitcoin chart. Dude, Orthodoxy is trending like bitcoin. Dude, it is.

[Jay]

That's crazy.

[FDA]

Look at the correlation causation argument that bitcoin is intimately tied to the rise of Orthodox. It literally looks like the bitcoin chart, though. All right, let's try a different search prompt. Let's try Orthodox Christianity. Wow. From 2008 to here. Look at that massive explosion from 2008 to here. In terms of YouTube interest. Let's try web search. Very similar. I mean, we're talking, like, five to 10 times the interest that it was just even a few years ago. That's crazy. And then let's say we tried. Let's try Orthodoxy, which technically, yeah, that could include, like, Judaism, but most people, when they refer to orthodoxy, they. They mean us. So that's quite a curve as well for the last five years on Google and then even more so on YouTube in the last five years. So that's the trend. Right?

[Stephen]

There.

[FDA]

Stephen, what's up, Stephen?

[Jay]

What's up,

[FDA]

Stephen? I'm mute it.

[Stephen]

Oh, yes, I apolog. Sorry about that. Yeah, I got a question about Revelation. I think it's 17, 1 9. I don't have the. The it in front of me, but basically my cousin, he was telling me that that verse. Well, those verses that describes the Catholic Church and basically that. That the city on seven hills, that that's where the Vatican is at. And that basically Catholic Church is like the mark of the beast.

[FDA]

No. Right. So that's a typical kind of evangelical Seven Day Adventist type approach. John was writing about Rome in his day, and he's talking about the city of Rome that is Nero's pagan Rome, and that Rome that's aligned with the apostate priesthood in Jerusalem. Because Rome and the beast. The woman is the. And that's Jerusalem. It's even identified in the book of Revelation more than once as the city where Jesus was killed. The high priest is the. The one that's has the cop of abominations and all that. That's the woman riding the beast. That's Nero, that's Rome. That's the flesh Israel collaborating with the Jews, I mean with the Romans, to have Jesus put to death.

[Jay]

Death.

[FDA]

He says that in the book of revelation. Chapter 14 says that. So that's Babylon the Great. The harlot is the spiritual city of Satan. That is the kingdom of Satan. And as contrasted with the city of God, the new Jerusalem that comes down from heaven center. Merte, what's up? But it's not the church in Rome because for the first thousand years, the church of Rome was Orthodox Catholic. What's up,

[Stephen]

aj? What's up?

[Jay]

Hey.

[Stephen]

Yeah, a little bit of background on me. Watch the. Watch the movie about Jesus once, and I just want to want you to know that he totally would not be on board with how you're acting to people. I mean, you are being. Dude.

[Jay]

Dude.

[Stephen]

So what do you have to say for yourself?

[FDA]

Well, I can't compete with. And there's no reputation for a movie that you saw one time. So I concede. Kavi, what's up? That's pretty much the evangelical line of argument too. Like, I watched the cho. I watched the Chosen with the. Created by all the Mormons and like Jesus and that was like super chill. Dude, what's up? Can you hear me say huh?

[Stephen]

Oh, yeah. Just to add ons on, the other orthodox dude was saying. I spoke to Sham probably like a

[FDA]

year or two ago.

[Stephen]

Shamoon when I wasn't too Found, like, I didn't have much knowledge on the Fathers. And I asked him about in heaven,

[FDA]

Shamoon, or who you talking about? Sam Shimon.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Stephen]

Okay. And I was asking about in heaven if we're gonna see the Father, like the way we see the Son. And then he told me. Yeah, and he gave me Daniel 7. So I asked him, I. I said, but I gave him the verse that says, you know, no one has seen the Father and the Father can only be seen through the sun. And then he's talking about, oh, that's only on Earth.

[FDA]

And I'm like, well, the image is in heaven, so what's he talking about?

[Stephen]

Yeah, and then I gave him. He gave me the verse that the angels see my Father's face when Christ says that. So I said, is that not just the angel seeing the Father's face, which is obviously through Christ?

[FDA]

Yes. He. Jesus himself says, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father. He is the face of the Father, Father.

[Stephen]

Yeah. And he just totally disagreed. And I'm like, doesn't his position kind of go against.

[FDA]

Dude, well, you're talking. Yeah, you're talking to somebody who doesn't even know or care what the doctrine of the, of the energies is. When I told him about the energies, he screamed and laughed at me on the, on the phone. So he said, go get more of your energies, boy.

[Jay]

Queer bait.

[FDA]

Queer bait.

[Jay]

Go get your energies.

[FDA]

Like it's in the New Testament, dude. I make up the energies. So Samsung is a. Is an unstable person that you should not interact with. Toby, what's up then? Toby, what's up? Hello. Hey.

[Stephen]

Hi. Is it all good if I ask two questions or just one?

[FDA]

Go ahead.

[Stephen]

So my first question is, how do you go from. So when you're talking to a skeptic, how do you go from using tag and let's just say they concede and admit that there needs to be grounding for the transcendental categories. How do you go from that broad grounding to the specific Christian God and even further the God?

[FDA]

That's a very. It's a very long involved question. And I've made several videos on that. So check out those videos from Tag, the Trinity.

[Stephen]

Okay, so I'll cast my second question then. So I don't know if you've answered this, but I've seen like these common Mormon points saying that when scripture says in revelation, if anyone takes whale as to this to scripture, then, you know, they'll be punished. But Mormons always say it's just referring to The Book of Revelation. Is there any, like, other verses that you'd go to?

[FDA]

Yeah, I have a video. Yeah, I have a whole video on that. And Mormonism and charismaticism and sda, Seven Day Adventists, because they're all cults based around the idea of new revelations. And we cover, I would say there's about 10 texts that ultimately speak to the cessation of public divine revelation. Not saying there can't be miracles or clairvoyance, but none of those are equivalent to or equated to public divine revelation or else we would start putting them into the Bible.

[Stephen]

Right.

[FDA]

There is a canon for a reason. Now, we're not sola scriptura, but there is a primacy that's usually given in the, in the councils and the church fathers to scripture. And then tradition plays a synthesizing role with that. But even within Scripture, there's a hierarchy of, you know, importance and reverence that's given to the Gospels, for example, above the others. But this one argument room of God. So when is an puts an end to Islam, Mormonism, charismaticism, Seven Day Adventism, and all cults. And the argument is that there are no new prophets because there's no new public divine revelation. So the office of a prophet ceased technically in the sense of the Old Testament prophets with John the Baptist, right. Jesus says that he Jesus, that John the Baptist is the last of the prophets, Luke 16:16. And then that's why the Mormons changed that verse in Joseph Smith's translation to give the idea that there's ongoing divine public prophetic revelation. And the Mormons actually believe that about their apostles. Right. They believe that their presidents of the Mormon Church, their apostles, actually get direct divine revelation. That's very convenient because it allows them to revise previously contradictory dogmas. Right. Like their view of black people. Oh, well, we got a revelation and we don't believe that anymore. That's literally what they do. You can't make this up. Like, they actually say, yeah, those troublesome doctrines from 100 years ago, God just told us, by the way, we don't do that anymore. And the Mormons are so dumb. They actually believe that that's ongoing revelation that they're prophets. Right. And that's why every time a debate comes up, for example, Alex Soren was talking to a guy the other day. Cleve may have been there, I don't remember, but they were talking to a Mormon. They were like, what? What are the means by which we identify a true and false prophet prophet? And none of them could actually give any I've never heard them give a coherent answer because it always just ends up being, well, whoever speaks in line with the, the Book of Mormon. Well, but how do we have a criteria then for Joseph Smith to know that he was a prophet because he's the one giving the Book of Mormon. So we need something other than the Book of Mormon because that's his supposed prophetic revelation. And they'll always just. It's the exact same move in this debate that the Muslims do to, well, it's whatever is in line with a true prophet, which is in the Book of Mormon. Okay, well, how do we know what a true prophet is? Well, it's whatever Muhammad, Joseph Smith say. Okay, so there is no criteria for identifying a true or false, because I can say, yeah, and I'm God's new prophet. Yeah, I know, you know, you guys like Joe and Mo, but I got the new one. So there's, there's never a closed public divine revelation. But the Church already condemned this stupid heresy in the second century when it condemned Montanism. The Montanists are condemned not just because they had a stupid, weird theology, but because they also taught ongoing public divine revelation. And after the laugh, after the death

[Jay]

of the last apostle, there are no new apostles.

[FDA]

There are successors to the apostles. Apostles. But the successors to the apostles teach what Jude 3 says was the faith once for all delivered. You can't have a once for all delivered faith if there's constant own ongoing new prophetic revelations. And by the way, the papacy essentially does the exact same thing. And we saw this.

[Jay]

Again, thank God for Pope Leo, because he's, again, he's going to turn out

[FDA]

to be as good an apologist for the Orthodox Church as Francis was. Because once again, now that the US Was it, the Justice Department or whatever has reinstated firing squads for means of capital punishment, which, by the way, I don't have any problem with that. Because I believe in the death penalty. And the Church has almost always believed in the death penalty. Right? For millennia, like universally right. You can find a few Church fathers that might have doubted it or monastics that denounced it, but the majority tradition across the board is in favor of the death penalty. And here's Leo counter signaling, counter signaling the Pope of America, Donald Trump, on this issue. And I want to show you what the Catechism of Trent says.

[Guest Caller 1]

The Church teaches that the death penalty

[Jay]

is inadmissible because it is an attack

[Guest Caller 1]

on the inviolability and dignity of the person. The right to life is the very

[FDA]

foundation of every other human Right. For this reason, only when a society

[Jay]

safeguards the sanctity of human life will it flourish and prosper.

[Guest Caller 1]

The Church teaches that the death penalty

[Jay]

is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person.

[Guest Caller 1]

The right.

[FDA]

No, the Roman Catholic Church never taught this until the last few decades post Vatican ii. And, and I have the Catechism of Trent. I used to use the Catechism of Trent avidly when I was a trad cat. Here you can see my Catechism of Trent. This is the Roman Catechism. That was the universal Catholic catechism for centuries. After the Council of Trent, it was promoted under Pius V, one of their sainted popes. He's the saint Pope of Trent. We don't think he's the same. But you know what I'm saying that they're, they're saint, saint, pope. And it states on the execution of criminals. And I'm just showing you that I have the book. So it's not. I'm not. It's not inaccurate. This is under the sixth Commandment. It says another kind of lawful slaying belongs to the civil authority to whom it is entrusted the power of death, life and death, legal and judicious exercise which they punish the guilty and protect the innocent. The just use of this power, far from involving the crime of murder, is

[Jay]

an act of paramount obedience to the Ten Commandments. So this is why in Roman Catholic traditional moral theology, they believed that this

[FDA]

was a principle of what they call natural justice. The Ten Commandments is an evidence or is a codification of their conception of natural law. Natural moral law in Aquinas is a codification and system. The moral law is a reflection of God's eternal law, which is his own nature. In their view, the end of the commandment is the preservation of the security of human life. These punishments are inflicted by the civil authority and they are a legitimate avenger of crime. Citing Romans 13.

[Jay]

So here you can see the classic

[FDA]

traditional Roman Catholic position and not just then you can go back in the Middle Ages. I mean they're called for Crusades, dude. What are you talking about? This is so to me it blows my mind that Roman Catholics can identify this. And I went was responding to Jack pos because he's trying to defend it today.

[Jay]

He's even citing other popes, like all the way up to Pius XII 12th. So all the way up to the last quote trad pope, they were saying, here's Pius XII saying that the death

[FDA]

penalty is absolutely legit legitimate. And so that's a night and day

[Jay]

contradiction on a basic moral teaching. Now they keep trying to frame this,

[FDA]

get this right, the defenders of papism, which they have a million different copes and mental gymnastics, as you guys know. But the mental gymnastics that they try here. I was going to try to see if I could find my quote. There was a separate place where I responded to Pasoviak about immigration because they're trying to class this as oh, these are political positions. No, Vatican one says that the papacy is infallible on any teaching universally relating

[Jay]

to faith and morals.

[FDA]

Now who believes that the death penalty

[Jay]

is not an aspect of morals? This is so preposterous here.

[FDA]

I'm gonna let me go to my replies then I can find what I said in response to psobiac on this.

[Stephen]

It.

[FDA]

Oh, here it is. Okay. So I said and this is where Posobiak is covering. I think he's talking about immigration here. Let's see what he's talking about here.

[Jay]

Lori Lightfoot lost his voice, his social media where he was actually an active Twitter user. Robert Prevost, a cardinal born in Chicago, believe it or not, born in.

[Stephen]

In the chat again, that you need to.

[FDA]

Oh yeah. So basically all I'm saying is that this is Posobiek's attempt to explain that the Pope is not infallible in political matters when the idea of infallibility covers, according to Vatican 1, faith and morals. And who actually believes that there's any political matter that doesn't touch on morals is preposterous. In fact, fact, they even touch on typically theology. Now remember, this is going to be hopefully a future debate with Trent Horn. We will be hopefully, it looks like perhaps debating whether the Roman Catholic Church has contradicted its own teaching about the relationship of church and state. Now, the papacy prior to the modern period absolutely had countless official statements on the necessity of the of the state having a duty to God and to the church and that eventually you ought to have a Christian state.

[Stephen]

State.

[FDA]

They were integralist. This is obviously the medieval position. Everybody should know this. It's not even that hard to figure out.

[Jay]

They called crusades.

[FDA]

So I said to Sobiak, there's ambiguity in saying this, just political matters because the Pope is supposedly infallible in faith and morals according to Vatican 1 and

[Jay]

Immigration and the death penalty are obviously moral matters.

[FDA]

And the papacy contradicts since Vatican II on these issues. Furthermore, Gaudium at SPEZ is Vatican 2's socialist political teaching and it is magisterial and it says that there should be open chain migration. It's in Vatican. It's in the audience, Spez. So they keep coming up with these mental gymnastics. And this is. He's speaking to normie world out here in his normie audience. As if this will just sort of click in their minds with all the boomers or whoever that watch this stuff when.