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Jeff Stein McEffrey (7:43)

What you.

Jay Dyer (7:43)

What you thinking, Jeff? What's on your mind?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (7:44)

Things as a machine and unfortunately, so if your car breaks, cars are always easy to fix. My jets, my cars. If it breaks, I know it can be fixed because it simply follows the same pattern. If this part breaks, you replace the part and thing works again. People and the financial system are not machines. They can't be fixed the same way. You can't simply take out the put some more juice into the commercial paper market. And that's like replacing the carburetor on the car. It's much more. I have a patient who can't breathe, has a stomach problem, can't see, looks bleeding at the same time. What do I do? First I have to think about it as a system. Where's the most logical place? What's the most dangerous place? If your heart stopped, we have to start your heart again. If the equivalent to the money market. Why do I have to start your heart again? I need to get your blood flowing. If your blood stops, you're dead. If liquidity, which is the equivalent of blood in the financial system, dries up.

Steve Bannon (8:33)

Liquidity is basically cash. Putting cash into the system, you get.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (8:35)

About what it is. Liquidity is liquidity. It allows the system. It's the blood of the system. You need to pump blood hard into the body of the economy to keep it flowing. And especially when you're worried about someone dying, you're not going to be worried about the niceties of well, you got the shirt dirty and there was some damage pumping that blood. Keep that.

Steve Bannon (8:50)

When you talked to the person at treasurer On Tuesday the 16th, did you get a feeling as you were sitting in your 6 by 9 jail cell in West Palm Beach, Florida that they were on top of things?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (8:59)

No, you can't. It's impossible to be on top of things. There's no such thing. It's again, the doctor watching the patient die, you hopefully have some confidence that he's seen it before. He recognizes that there are some steps he has to take first before he bandages the guy's finger or worries about what shoes he has on. So you hope that the people in charge, your doctors who are working on the emergency patient enough experience and frankly judgment to try to keep the patient alive.

Steve Bannon (9:19)

Did you think that they had those things, patience and judgment?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (9:22)

They had pretty good judgment and you needed a lot of luck. Just like in the dead patient. You need to hopefully you put that blood in and it's not too late and you maybe you make some mistakes, but you have to know you'll have to give it a shock.

Steve Bannon (9:31)

In the run up to the September crash of 2008, I guess you weren't occupied with finance that whole summer. How long had you been in jail?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (9:36)

I went to jail June 30.

Steve Bannon (9:38)

So the entire summer.

Jay Dyer (9:40)

So our good buddy Banana up the butt, one of the fattest super chatters over here. Shout out to him. He's always giving these big fat daddy war bucks super chats. He says, for a hundred dollars. Jay the genius Epstein stuff is legend. It's legend building. Yes, that's a great point. In intelligence operations and intelligence cover, you build a legend, which is your backstory. And it needs to be plausible. It needs to have, you know, some credibility. It needs to have some details that can be verified to make it plausible to other people that, oh, you are a money manager and you worked at Bear Stearns and you had a math degree and you were at, you know, Bill Barr's OSS front school. Yeah. So, okay, you're. You're a good dude. His system building stuff, or the systems analysis that he talks about is a mix of the infamous document Silent Weapons for Quiet wars, which we covered on my channel. That curious document, I think it is real. It describes a systemic analysis of the global architecture. It was discovered, I think, in. In a NSA or RAN Corporation machine kind of laid in a. In a copy machine years ago. It reads like a real white paper to me, like a real policy paper at a high level. We did a talk on the silent weapons paper maybe four years ago on the channel, and it does. I'm glad you called that to memory here, because it does sound like the type of analysis that Jeff Stein is giving. And you say it sounds like RAN Corporation stuff. Exactly, exactly. Rank Corporation, of course, has a lot of mathematicians and tech level people, including neoconservatives and Jewish Trotskyite neoconservatives like Volstetter, Herman Kahn, all of whom kind of formulated the idea of the Cold War and mutually assert destruction, rational choice theory, all that comes out of the RAN Corporation. And by the way, we've done a lecture on Alex Abea's RAN Corporation book, Soldiers of Reason. It's one of the global elite texts. My allergies drive me Crazy. And we did a mini documentary on Rand that I put on Twitter the other day. Of course, this got no views. Nobody cares about this. It's the real information. So allow me to refresh your memory. Rand is another one of the top think tanks that has engineered modern America. Kubrick, Dr. Strangelove, and Dark Secrets of the Rain Corporation. Of course, Dr. Strangelove is satirizing the RAN Corporation. And there's that. And by the way, I did talk to Vivian again, and Vivian says, let's do the interview in a couple weeks. So props to Vivian Kubrick. We will be doing our interview finally, and we will also be talking about film. Some. She does not want to only talk film, which is understandable if I was Sean Stone or Vivian Kubrick or whoever else. They're probably sick of talking about Oliver Stone or Stanley Kubrick movies. But she did say we would talk about some films and not just Kubrick films. We're going to be talking about films that she described as anti tyranny films. And so she said, can you suggest some? And just sort of off the top of my head, I said, well, we've got, you know, they live is a kind of a classic conspiracy movie. We've got lives of others. I forget what I might have said. Snowpiercer. I. I don't. I just listed a few suggestions. So now V for Vendetta is a little. A little iffy. I mean, I mean, it's kind of anti establishment, but it's also kind of a scout because it. It presents the establishment as a Christian theocracy. Come on, dude, that's like Handmaiden's tail level, dude. It's like, who really believes that the threat to Western civilization is a Christian Democracy? Rusa, $50. If your goal is quote truth, why does your brand of apologetics perfectly mirror Gerasimov's doctrine for using spiritual moral values to destabilize a target population to trust and their trust in their own national institutions? So he's trying. He's referring to the Russian doctrine of operations, which is active measures, and their. Their policy of calling out corruption in other countries. So because Russia is a smaller geopolitical operator in comparison to the rest of the Atlantis establishment, they opted for support for.

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A strategy of calling out corruption and focusing on real stories. Right. So in other words, if you look at RT, for example, a lot of RT's broadcasting over the last 15 years has been focused on conspiracy topics. Things that are focused on elite corruption, I'm talking about. Now, a lot of that is leftist too, by the way. But as an Orthodox Christian, I am not beholden to or affirming Gerasimov's doctrine. I don't go. I've never been to Russia. So he's sending these super chats to try to give the impression that although I've been invited to Russia three times, I've not gone to Russia. And as I said, Orthodox Christianity is in between two powers, especially during the Cold War. You have the CIA and British intelligence and you have. The kgb and nkvd. So if we read this article here, you get a, an overview. And by the way, I'm not affirming everything that this guy says. This guy ended up being, I think he's been defrocked. But his article detailing the history of Cold War stuff and the Russian Church, if people want the actual history.

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Jay Dyer (17:06)

Called Between Two Thieves, the kgb, the Russian Orthodox Church and the CIA. This is a good history of the nuances of this period. On top of that, I've actually interviewed and done discussions with people who are experts in the Cold War operations and the kgb. So if you go back to my Metropolitan Jonah interview, we have a history of the KGB and the Russian Church here. So you can check this out from a historical perspective. Anyway, so this is a person who I think is been indoctrinated into the Western approach to psychological warfare and indoctrination. And he's assuming then that if I attend a Russian Orthodox Church, which by the way, does not agree with everything that Putin does, Rokor is not 100 on board with Putin. They will argue that because Rokor went back into communion with Putin that we're run by Putin. All of that is neocon Pentagon strategy. So my question to you would be, why are you spouting the neocon Pentagon strategy? And no, if I call out my government, that is me being a patriot, that is not me being a Russian stooge. So. So you're actually just undermining your own argumentation by saying that if I call out government corruption, that makes me a Russian agent. Dude, that's like neocon gaslighting 101. So you explain to me why I should follow neoconservative doctrine and neoconservative warmongering ar RUSA.

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Jay Dyer (19:10)

J In the 2001 Dennis Bushnell, Ph.D. there's a NASA presentation. Yes, we've covered this presentation because Burmas did a whole talk on it was really good. I read the the presentation. It was deleted in 2016. You can still find it though if you go to Burmas's lectures on gets into like nanotech and all that stuff. IMES $5. Do you think this is being released to make us realize that we are helpless? No, I don't think so. Tuxedo if the economy is biological, is Bitcoin steroids more so life support than steroids? Jim Bob Any advice on how to read more and longer? Get used to audio podcasts. If you for example, have a long drive to work, make that a time when you listen to books. I mean audiobooks are not as good as reading and taking notes, but it can come close and it's the next best thing. And if you work a job where you're having to do a lot of, you know, activity type stuff, if you can try to, you know, try to listen. By the way, one last note on the Russian doctrine of foreign operations. We did an interview with Dugan 10 years ago. You can listen to the interview and multiple times over. After the interview I gave my critique of Dugan's perennialism and the gnostic elements in his philosophy. So you can play the game of trying to read into my motives. Which is interesting because the first part of your comment says if you are really after the truth, well there's nothing more lame to try to argue than people's motives. Because you can never prove or disprove motives unless you have some text or comment where I say to say hahaha, I secretly have bad motives but they will never know. Like outside of that you can never prove or disprove anyone's motives. So to just bring that up is like the lowest tier of debate and it's more like gaslighting Beck evangelist $10 I want to apologize for what I said to you and how I acted on X a while back. I was ignorant and spite and I'm ashamed of myself for what I said to you. God bless you and keep doing your work well hey, I appreciate that. Beck Evangelist Not a lot of people reach out to apologize. This week should be nothing but apologies, but I didn't expect it so that's okay. All right, let's break it up a little bit. Evil Nico let's take some calls. Evil Nico. Hello.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (22:15)

Yo, what's up?

Caller/Listener (22:17)

Hi Jay. Let me go find the question because.

Jay Dyer (22:21)

I Have it written down.

Caller/Listener (22:22)

I would want to know your opinion on the. On Patriarch Krills. I don't know if you ever went over it, but his. His statement on serving for the Russian military. You'll be cleansed of all your sins if you die in Ukraine. I just want to know your, like, your opinion.

Jay Dyer (22:40)

Yeah, I think the Rokor bishop said that that might be going a little too far. But if he actually said that, no, just being in the military doesn't cleanse your sins. But my assumption would be that there's probably more context to that. And the Russian statement on church state relations from 2012 or 2016, that famous document that actually says, no, it's. There's nothing wrong with defending and supporting your homeland, and that is a noble and perhaps even a martyr's death. So in terms of the context of the Russian tradition, there's nothing actually wrong with dying for your nation or for your homeland. That's a. That's a Christian principle that's been exemplified for 2,000 years.

Caller/Listener (23:24)

Yeah, thank you, Jay. I know about the, you know, dying for your homeland and protecting your people, that's a noble cause, but thank you for clearing it up and letting me know, because my friend was asking me about it and he wanted to know what your opinion on it was.

Jay Dyer (23:40)

Yeah, I. I will not listen to anybody criticizing that comment if they're from the Roman Catholic domain, because the popes said the exact same thing about the Crusades. So. But also, I mean, is that really what he said, or is that just what Western media is saying that you. He said, I want to see the full context. So. But also, I don't have a problem saying that Carol couldn't make theological mistakes. So what? But you're no different than the. It's no different than the Pope. No, it is different. Carol's not a pope. Carol has nothing like the status of a pope. The church doesn't hinge on him. In the Roman Catholic system, it does. 900 foot Brigham Young Mormon Space Wives.

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No, actually he fell for the the scam of like crypt alt altcoins because he's. He seems to be interested early on in bitcoin and people shouldn't find this that surprising because he was interested in every emerging tech. I mean, he's interested in cloning, DNA, neural networks, AI. Oh, I guess we. Epstein was into AI so if you're into AI, you're into Epstein. This is how stupid these people think. He was early interested in bitcoin for sure. That's there. R USA $10. You don't expose corruption. I've been here for 15 years with the same message. So I do expose corruption. You exploit corruption. You're not independent. Okay, what is your evidence that I'm not independent? You're an FSB agent. Okay? Are you a paid asset? Do you have it? Do you have any proof of any of those things? So notice it's all just accusations and hearsay. Byzantium reborn. Where did it go? Can you do some pole washer? Not for $2. Dude, come on. If you want me to just start doing impressions, he's gonna be more than two bucks. Dude. Zith $3. Jay, thank you for these great streams. I'm another protestant trying to go. By the way, notice this guy. We're sitting here talking about Epstein, the biggest global architecture scandal in the history of the world, and this guy's here calling me out. Yeah, it's not Epstein and his international network of Bond villains that's the bad guy. It's me. A YouTuber with not even 200k subs yet. These people are just so ridiculous, man. They can't see the log in their own eye. That's what's crazy about it. AC Says, are you ready for some goy ball? Dan Vicious, $2. I've got some lame ass Super bowl on my second TV. Oh, he's playing both sides. Poor call. All $10. Jay, thank you for all the Dostoevsky recommendations. I'm on the third book and I can't stop. Good. Yeah, he's great. Tuxedo mask, $5. Holy crap, bro. Did you see how fast that black guy ran in a circle? Making sure I'm not missing any super chats. Xlop step, $5. I'm loving all the proverbs. I should read more.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (29:47)

Cool beans, dude.

Jay Dyer (29:54)

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Jay Dyer (32:55)

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Caller/Listener (32:59)

So I was in a conversation with a. With someone talking about the influence of neo Marxism in the US And I was taking the position that similar to. I think, you know, I think there's substantial evidence showing, you know, institutional involvement in things like the drug revolution and the sexual revolution and absolutely those sorts of things. And I was bringing up people like Kinsey and maybe their involvement with Rockefellers, what have you. And I was, and I was trying to make the point that I, you know, I think there's good reason to believe that things like all the critical theorists and their promotion to the front of academia and the proliferation of their ideas was in some way institutionally motivated as well or, you know, supported. And anyway, I was just wondering if you had any maybe like, resources on that. I know that there's information out there about how Frankfurt school people worked with the OSS and CA during.

Jay Dyer (34:11)

Yeah, I would look into Wilhelm Reich. Wilhelm Reich was a Frankfurt School guy who was a big promoter of the sexual revolution. I would get Rachel's book According to Cult Feminism. Rachel Wilson, the Rockefeller's authorized biography that you see behind me, has an entire chapter on support for feminism right here. This is the David Horowitz official biography of the Rockefeller's whole chapter on Abby Rockefeller funding cell 16 and radical fem stuff in the 1960s. She put millions of dollars into it. I mean, there's a lot. Francis Stoner Saunders, CIA and Letters, Cultural Cold War. I just read a few chapters the other day from what's the guy's Name. I left the book in Florida, so I don't have it with me. But the one on Mockingbird, Operation Mockingbird, that gets in. There's a whole chapter in that on the Congress for cultural freedom. Well, also Jeffson McGuffy. I mean, he's got his hands in everything, right? Him and Just Lane are interested in 4chan. They're interested in Reddit, they're interested in Hollywood pop music. I mean, What does that say? All right, let's get back to Jeff Stein here.

Steve Bannon (35:47)

Yes, before you went into jail, you were still very active in the financial markets.

Jay Dyer (35:50)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (35:50)

When I say active, you trade currencies every day. You trade stocks every day. When people. Something like you or give. You give advice to people to trade stocks or trade currencies.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (35:57)

I don't trade every day. I think that's like Woody Allen said, it's, you can't beat the bank. So.

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Jeff Stein McEffrey (37:58)

I try to pick my spots. You know George Soros picked his spot when the pound collapsed. This would have been a great money making opportunity that passed me by when I was in jail. But that's not how I think.

Steve Bannon (38:06)

In the run up to that in the spring of 2008 were you. That's when Bear Stearns got in problems I think in the spring of 2008 and they decided to bail it out. Did the Bear Stearns guys talk to you for advice at that time and the big crisis in Bear Stearns?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (38:15)

No. See again, unbeknownst to most people. And it's easy to blame people for the financial crisis like you'd blame someone for giving your father the drink before he had his heart attack. But what really happened? The real enemy of the finance system was Bill Clinton. And if you asked me what and who caused the financial crisis, I would tell you it was Bill Clinton.

Steve Bannon (38:35)

Because of what Bob Rubin and he did to the financial deregulate the financial system.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (38:39)

No, because as the last time we had our 60 minute interview, you talked to me about home ownership and you asked me whether everyone should own a home. And I told you no, it's too risky.

Steve Bannon (38:49)

So the financial collapse of 2008 is because of hard working African Americans, Hispanics and. And whites who.

Jay Dyer (38:56)

Bill Clinton is the fault of it? I mean come on dude. Who actually believes that Bill Clinton was calling the shots? Bill Clinton was chosen by David Rockefeller and others as they bragged at Bilderberg to be the Rockefeller candidate. There's actual videos of that boy from Tongat something. Jay, God bless. What's a good platform for buying bitcoin? Because Swan is not supported in New Zealand. I don't know. You'd have to ask the chat. But I, I don't know about New Zealand. I didn't know they weren't supported there.

Steve Bannon (39:32)

Wanted to have a piece, have a ownership stake in. In the society that all rest on their shoulders. They're the culprits.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (39:37)

No, not at all. Okay, then I didn't say that with the Congress. I said I was pretty clear. Was Bill Clinton okay? Why was it Bill Clinton? Because Bill Clinton wanted to get votes from those people. And he sold them the idea that instead of renting a house and historically the values of houses have gone up. And he said, you guys, in these.

Jay Dyer (39:53)

Local communities we're gonna skip ahead a little bit.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (39:56)

I refuse to lend to Mr. Bannon. But now he has the big brother, Uncle. His uncle can do mathematics. They can balance their checkbooks. So certain people in Congress said, well, how do you value these subprime mortgages? The bank said, we've been valuing them the same way we've always valued them for the past 20 years. The accounting firms. There's something in this country called gap accounting, which is a standard type of accounting. And we account for them the same way we've always accounted for them. If we paid $1,000 for your mortgage last night, when we put it on our books today, we're going to say its value is a thousand dollars. Makes sense. I paid for it. What's its value? It's a thousand dollars. That's what I paid for it last night. No, the Congress people said, that's not really a good answer. You know, that doesn't give us confidence that you know what you're doing. Because what happens if you have to sell it tomorrow morning? If something's happened and you have to sell it? Remember, there's kinds of stress tests. Would you be able to value it at what you paid for it the day before? And Wall street says, that's not the way you can think about this. This is crazy. We always value things at the cost from the day before. And they changed the accounting method, in essence, to say, not what it was worth yesterday, but if I have to sell, what would it be worth? That's impossible. So what happens is every bank now has to value something they bought yesterday at lower than they paid.

Jay Dyer (41:15)

All right, the. The banking yapping is really getting old. We're going to skip ahead a little bit to the philosophy section. AC don't have gold, bitcoin money, or real estate because the crooks try to manipulate those things. Just don't do anything. Epstein is everything. It's all Epstein. Epstein coin. Yes. Put all your money in. Jeffcoin boy from Tongaku. No, we did that. We got another one from Tori. $10. My husband and I are always. We love your work. We're always watching you on the TV while I'm feeding my baby, who's two months.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (41:50)

Awesome.

Jay Dyer (41:51)

You help guide us to orthodoxy. Cool. That's good to hear, man. Anyways, did you see what Fuentes has been saying? Well, again, I mean, I would like to try to be a positive influence on Nick if. If that's possible. So I reached out to Tim and to Ryan and other people who know, know Nick, and I said, hey, look, there's an open door. All the branch. If Nick would like to ever discuss anything. And it doesn't have to be a debate because a lot of them took it as overly aggro. Oh, why is he just trying to debate? He just wants goods attention. Okay, fine. We don't have to have a debate. We don't even have to have any kind of public chat or anything. I'm not trying to grift or gain trad cat followers. I don't think those people would want to follow me anyway. So. It's just. It's the same with Elijah Schaer. Like when Elijah asked me about orthodoxy and said, hey, can you put me in touch with orthodox priests? I said, yeah, here's Father Moses number and they had one conversation. So irrationally irritable.

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Did you hear any of the rumors about bitcoin content creators saying a supposed planned deliberate drop because Trump and company want 60k to load up for SBR? Not sure if that would explain the monster rebound at 60. I mean, I listened to several crypto channels explaining what they thought was going on, but you know, it's a lot of theories. So I don't know. I think one thing I saw that was a really good theory was it looks like a lot of people were over leveraged with betting on bitcoin and crypto. And then when that got wiped out, that tanked everything. But then some people were arguing also that there was intentional selling to try to tank it down. I mean, I'm sure that stuff goes on, you know, until. Until bitcoin reaches maximum velocity globally. There will still be the four year cycle. Everybody should be aware of that. Stand fast. What's up, man? Stand fast. What's up? Alfredito? Is AXA platform to brainwash? I don't think so. I mean, I think it Uses all the same techniques of all the social media platforms to keep people there. But I think if you look at the eu, they're trying to shut it down. So I don't think they'd be trying to shut it down if it wasn't doing damage.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (45:54)

Never before in 20 years did they have to do this. So something they bought at a thousand on their books was a 'Thousand is now 990.

Steve Bannon (46:03)

The bankruptcy of Drexel Burnham in 90. Implosion of Japan. Huge run up in equity markets for the Internet. Implosion of the Internet 2000, 10 years later, roughly. And then this run up through the Iraq war and all that, the run up to 2008. Every 10 years it seems like we're in some sort of 10 years before the 1990s was, was the subject.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (46:19)

You sound like an astrologer.

Steve Bannon (46:20)

Okay. Mathematician. It just seems to me a pattern of every 10 years.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (46:24)

That's, that's misleading. That's exactly right.

Jay Dyer (46:26)

Because people, oh, by the way, a lot of people who say, in the case of like, Elijah, Elijah reached out one time and said, hey, tell me an Orthodox church to check out. This is when we were down there for the Tim debate. He was like, what's an Orthodox church I should check out? And I told him one of the Orthodox churches around that area of Florida. And then he sent me one text asking about talking to Orthodox priests and I sent him Father Moses. No other comments, no other questions. So it's like, like if there's an open. The way I treat a lot of this stuff is there's an open door if people are interested and if they really want to know stuff. I think people have a sense that I know some of these areas pretty well. Like those people can easily reach out. So whether it's Elijah or anybody else, like they, there, there's. It's very easy to, you know, reach out and ask questions or whatever. So, you know, the ball is usually in other people's court if they really want to have whatever kind of chat or advice or recommendations or whatever. Kevin Bacon. $5. What's up, man? Thank you so much. 6D. Six degrees away from you.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (47:36)

People like to see patterns. People like to see patterns where there are none.

Steve Bannon (47:39)

So a pattern of a financial crisis every 10 years is just in my mind.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (47:41)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (47:42)

Long Term Capital at Long Term capital that had to be bailed out back in the late 90s when everybody panicked. And that one, that bailout today would look small. And it was a 5B.

Jay Dyer (47:51)

Sebastian. So I guess this is a separate day because you got a different shirt on. So maybe the. Maybe Bannon was doing one hour segments. What's up, Sebastian? All right, he can't connect. Let's see if we can get away with putting Jeff Stein on double speed because this is going to take forever. Dude.

Steve Bannon (48:19)

Dollars or $30 billion.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (48:20)

People.

Steve Bannon (48:21)

Businesses fail all the time, but they launch capital. The Federal Reserve stepped in.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (48:24)

People go bad. Things go bad.

Steve Bannon (48:26)

Yes, the local. You're correct. The audience is watching this. The little guys, they go bankrupt all the time and nobody gives a shit. You know why? They're a little guy. But when Long Term Capital Management goes bankrupt, or Bear Stearns goes bankrupt, Rayner Brothers goes bankrupt, people care.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (48:33)

Because it's an unfair characterization. Because again, it's the complexity of the situation. If you think about the. You have a complex system. You have your body now. In fact, the little guy is my finger.

Steve Bannon (48:41)

Stearns is your heart.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (48:41)

That's correct. The banking system is my heart. The system, I can't risk my.

Steve Bannon (48:50)

You have it. Since we can't name another guy that's as good as you, there may be a couple out there. You're not bragging, you're humble. It had to be sometime. Please tell me there's. There was some time.

Jay Dyer (48:59)

Yes, Jeffrey Epstein is very humble. Good job, Steve. Yeah, very humble.

Steve Bannon (49:04)

Before you went to jail and basically got cut off from daily information in the summer of 2008, that you started to get very nervous that this complex system, that something was deeply wrong.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (49:14)

Okay, first, let's go back. When I say no one understands the system better than I do, it doesn't.

Steve Bannon (49:18)

Mean I always sound like a doctor. You're afraid he's gonna get sued for giving a thing. You're not taking any liability. There's no contingent liability here.

Jay Dyer (49:23)

No, no.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (49:23)

But the world understand is the problem. I don't understand the system, so that's. I don't understand the financial system. Please stop.

Steve Bannon (49:28)

You cannot sit here and tell me we just went through. I'll go through again. The hedge fund man.

Jay Dyer (49:33)

So this is pretty interesting because.

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Jay Dyer (50:06)

He does understand it, but he's also pointing out this kind of dark, irrational side to it, to where it's like, you know, you don't understand. Like I, I understand the financial system, but I also don't understand it because it's a living organism that has a life of its own owners, the money.

Steve Bannon (50:19)

Managers, the central bankers, the commercial bankers, the heads of the investment banks, the heads of all the trading desk, the top economists. And I'll throw into business school lectures at Stanford. Of all the top 200, 250, you can't name at the top of your head, the guys are at least at your level. You have to understand it somewhat.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (50:33)

No, sorry, we all don't understand it. No one understands it. It's a miracle. It's this that's part of the problem. It's impossible to understand that word. Understand simply means if this happens here, that will happen there. It's predictable. Understanding means it's predictable. It's not predictable. That's the problem. It's very. In complex systems, that was the fascination. Is there a way to tease out some level of predictability? So in fact you would ask the question, it's a great question, which was, was it a stroke or a heart attack? Now most people don't know that before they were gonna have a stroke, they had a stroke, that they, they just have a stroke. Do they understand why? In hindsight, you go back and you can make lots of explanations, it might sound good. And if you're talking to the working man, you're using language that he'll never understand. It's complex. So he just like going to his doctor, he says he has a gastrointestinal problem or has diverticulitis, as opposed to saying you had a stomach ache, you ate bad food. People don't like to say it in normal, every man terms. The system had a stroke, but we don't know why.

Steve Bannon (51:22)

But you just okay hard working people and there's a great social benefit. Would you not agree with having people having ownership in the system?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (51:29)

When you say ownership in the system, it doesn't mean. Let's start over your phone too, because I don't want anyone.

Jay Dyer (51:35)

All right, Come on, Jeff.

Steve Bannon (51:37)

You will get through in this film, but you cannot possibly have sit there knowing that you came from nowhere, knowing that you went to the very top of what is considered outside of science and maybe physics, the thing people most admire because it like alchemy, understanding, high finance, to sit there in what will be the defining financial crisis of our time, like, like Black Friday and Black Monday, whatever it was in the Great Depression, and be there at that exact moment triggered in part by a firm that used to be a partner in and knew intimately well and it created much of your initial net worth because of and know that you couldn't someone who lives on a phone.

Jay Dyer (52:10)

Right.

Steve Bannon (52:10)

Because you do live on a phone.

Jay Dyer (52:11)

Right? Correct.

Steve Bannon (52:13)

You had to make collect just two collect calls. You cannot tell me sometime during that day you did not have that conversation with yourself of how the did I do this to myself? To put myself in West Palm beach in a 6 by 9 cell with a metal bed with a brown shirt that said Trustee spelled wrong.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:26)

So did I find it amazing that I was there?

Steve Bannon (52:28)

Not amazing? I don't say it's not funny at all.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:30)

I thought I wasn't funny.

Jay Dyer (52:31)

Right.

Steve Bannon (52:31)

Not amazing.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:32)

It was incredible.

Steve Bannon (52:32)

Incredible in what way incredible? Like how do I do this to myself?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:35)

No, it's as incredible as me sitting here in this house. They are both just two sides of the coin. Send drop and all the sand starts running down the hills. That's the way I see the financial market.

Steve Bannon (52:46)

But you funded Santa Fe in the early 90s or late 80s, I believe.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:49)

It was early 90s I can get back.

Steve Bannon (52:50)

But early 90s Santa Fe was funded for the study of complexity theory.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (52:55)

So let's back up. So why did I buy a ranch in New Mexico 1993? So that gives you some sense. I would have funded it in 1990. Los Alamos, which was the high energy lab up in New Mexico, was losing all its scientists.

Steve Bannon (53:08)

And it was where Oppenheimer and where a lot of the nuclear weapons were in the bomb.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (53:12)

That's where the Manhattan Project.

Steve Bannon (53:13)

Manhattan Project was Los Alamos. And you bought your property out New Mexico to be near that.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (53:16)

Yes, because the scientists were going to. They cut the funding for high energy physics. But the people who worked in Los Alamos would still be in the Santa Fe area.

Steve Bannon (53:23)

They cut that because the end of the. This was the Cold War dividend.

Jay Dyer (53:25)

Right. A lot of people were talking about the beef jerky email or something. That one's new. That one just popped up today. I haven't seen that yet. And people are speculating that that is code. Do we have any reasonable confirmation? I mean I could obviously have no problem seeing that. Like maybe they. I mean Jamie and I are watching Hannibal, the TV show. And it coincides very interestingly with what we're talking about here. You know, is the pizza also code for something else? I mean, I think the pizza is code known, you know, FBI stuff for underage things. Is it C A N N I B a L stuff. Nothing would surprise me. But do we have, you know, anything pointing at that beyond. I mean, I'm not trying to defend Jeff something, but maybe. Does he maybe just mean beef jerky? I don't know. Like, I haven't even seen the beef jerky email. So let's, let's listen to Jeff and we'll see what that says.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (54:22)

I don't remember exactly why it was because again, people thought that physics and high energy physics really wasn't that important.

Steve Bannon (54:26)

Because that was about nuclear weapons.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (54:28)

No, it was because they were trying. They decided it was maybe not right. This was the same time that Murray Gellman came up with the term quark. Q U A R k. He picked it out of an old poem, the word quark. But it was something, it was mysterious. So they were starting to understand in the 90s that in our world of the physics world, there was things that were just unexplainable. They called it strange things. You gave it a name, you gave it some characteristics. You called it had. Charm was one of the terms. Had a charm. It had a flavor, it had a color. But nobody, really, no one, Mr. Ben, understood what it was just like the financial system.

Steve Bannon (54:57)

And you wanted to investigate that.

Jay Dyer (54:59)

So the email said somebody saying that jerky comes up 380 times. Jerky recipes. Francis has time to come over tomorrow. Jerky class. I will bring a taste of his new jerky recipe. He's working at a restaurant called cannibal cooks. Okay. So that's why people are throwing in the cannibal part. I've been eating beef jerky around a mile. Really into beef jerky for a diet. Six out portion of jerky. Six, eight ounce. I mean, I think we need more than that. It could be people are saying nobody talks like this about beef jerky. Let's see. The best latest batch. I mean, my dad makes beef jerky and he talks about batches. And. I don't, I don't know. I mean, Asmongold reacts to it. They found, they think a human code. Again, we need to see, I think we need, we need to see more than just beef jerky to figure out, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm not saying it's not there. I'm just saying this, this one is one I just saw today. So, yeah, I mean, you know, when we were watching Hannibal when one of my questions was like, I thought this gives you prions, right? I mean, perhaps they know some way to do the meat where it doesn't. But it Would be. It would be funny if we're over here watching Hannibal and you know, Jeff Stein is. Is into that. I don't know. Anybody see any substantial information or vindication on that or is it just hearsay? Reading the chat? I make possum jerky. Sounds good. There was also an exchange where they mentioned the jerky at a lab. Oh, interesting. That's weird. Pepper profit $5. Great job. Great work. Did you see Jim Bob and that idiot Dave got. Well, yeah, we covered that. The first part of the stream we. That was the first two hours was the atheist nonsense. Sam, $10. What's your theory on Je being alive? I don't know that yet. We. I'm not. I mean I think those initial pictures were AI it is possible to exfiltrate someone so. But we need to see some kind of. Some kind of good evidence for that. But man, I'm over here watching Mads Mickelson and I'm like damn dude.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (58:21)

Is.

Jay Dyer (58:22)

These bros really eating bros out here? Is these wiggers really eating wiggles out here?

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Jeff Stein McEffrey (59:16)

I wanted to see if we could build tools so others smarter than me could help investigate it.

Steve Bannon (59:20)

And that was the beginning of your concept of the Santa Fe Institute. Yes, and Santa Fe Institute was founded to do study in this type of.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (59:25)

Can you can these areas of strange things be described by some form of mathematics?

Steve Bannon (59:31)

So that's what I'm trying to get at the foundational thought, the organizing principle.

Jay Dyer (59:35)

So he's talking about working at the Santa Fe Institute which you said earlier was about systems analysis at a very high level and figuring out how to to study and predict large scale systems like global economics. And could it be predicted is what.

Steve Bannon (59:49)

He'S talking about of Santa Fe in the high physics lab at at Los Alamos which had created the been the headquarters of Manhattan in the Trinity project. Right. The bomb.

Jay Dyer (59:57)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (59:57)

So you're talking about the elite. The high priest of physics. Of physics, yes sir. Which high priest of physics? Some subset of that is also mathematics.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (60:03)

Yes, they're both similar project.

Jay Dyer (60:05)

The high priest of physics. Interesting terminology again suggesting that mainline normie physics, scientism, etc as we said at the very beginning of this discussion, is a top down enterprise. Hence why all of the top new atheists were all so close to Jeff Stein McGuffrey flying on the plane. You guys remember Brave New World which we did a recent review. So I did a talk on brave new world 10 years ago and I pointed out the chapter where Mustafa Mon says to John the Savage, you understand that the physics and the science that we do is not what we give to the dumb public, right? Why would Huxley put that in there? Well, because the same thing then is what's going on now. There is a Reddit normie physics that's given to the, the, the dumbed down cattle and then there's a separate secret metaphysics that they believe that they're into. They may be wrong, they may be off. That seems to be more akin to Neoplatonism, perennialism, Kabbalism, etc So here is I think where he begins to talk about reality as math itself. In other words, like we live in a simulation or that reality is a code, the matrix, this kind of stuff.

Steve Bannon (61:31)

One of the tools you want to do is to make sure that in this complex system, the finance system, I'm doing a lot of this for philanthropy and life, for the good of mankind, but also to be able to understand this complex system, the most complex outside of maybe our body of the financial world.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (61:41)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (61:42)

Did they create tools of were you able, were you smarter in then the mid aughts, 15 years later than you had been then because of work that was done in Santa Fe?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (61:50)

No, that was, it was great, but in fact most of the money.

Jay Dyer (61:53)

Oh by the way, for those saying that there's nothing to all this blah blah blah, which is totally idiotic. Another high level political person, Norway's ambassador suddenly stepped down. She's named 33 times in the Epstein Falls. Mona J. So so funny to see people stepping down over fake emails. Dingbat. What's up dude? Now on this Kabbalah part. Yes, I have lengthy talks on what Kabbalah is. Medieval Jewish mysticism from actual scholarly sources like Gershom Sholem on my channel. You can find those in the archives. But I also did a recent introduction to what Kabbalah is with our good buddy Jake Rattlesnake and Jake invited me on this week as well. Well to do a discussion on his channel of the Jeff Stein McGuffrey information. So let me. Because I recently reshared that. Let me find that on here. What's up, dude? I'm you.

Caller/Listener (63:09)

Hey, Jay. What was that earlier when you were talking to that guy that was calling you sued and you had that very interesting. I don't know if you could call it a debate. Why was he calling you Jason?

Jay Dyer (63:22)

I don't know.

Caller/Listener (63:24)

Oh, it's like I've been watching you for years.

Jay Dyer (63:28)

It could have been a joke. He could have been joking, like, because I always make the joke of like when people are debating and they just start saying my name. So maybe he thought it would be funny to just say my full name instead of. Oh, yeah.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (63:40)

I don't know.

Caller/Listener (63:41)

I did have a serious question though. The. I've been watching you both you and Nick for years and I like both of you. I. Your, your contents and this. What I wanted to talk to you about was the, his downplaying of the pedo stuff or, or rather it is the narrative control that Israel is putting out with their best spokes people on Twitter about Nick's downplaying of the pedo stuff. And Nick's counter to that being that what he's actually trying to do is he's trying to overemphasize the, the Jewish fixer narrative because you don't have to, you don't have to expose what's already obvious. And so it doesn't make any sense to just keep talking over and over about the pedo stuff. It really doesn't make sense to just continue to relitigate the pedo stuff over and over.

Jay Dyer (64:36)

So you're saying that's, that's the, the fuller context for his statements. Hello.

Caller/Listener (64:44)

Hello.

Jay Dyer (64:45)

You're. You're saying that's the fuller context for his statements. And then people are taking like the, that he said that the Catholic Church, for example, allows what, 15 year olds, I think in some countries. Is that what you're saying?

Caller/Listener (64:58)

What I'm trying to say is that I, I enjoy the, I enjoy his content for the flavor. Yes. But when he goes out, he does go off the rails a little bit. He is young. He is, you know, sometimes a little, sometimes a little weird. And, and he says a lot of things that are, you know, out there. But, but this specific thing that he said does make sense to me that you don't have to expose what's already in the light. We all already know the obvious, you know, he, he enjoyed the company of young girls, we get it. And he, and he did that for other people. But that was. What he's trying to overemphasize is that it was a means to an end as a Jewish fixer and that a lot of this like oh, he's just a satanic pedo is narrative control by Israel and he wants to over emphasize the Jewish fixer thing to push away the obvious because we don't need to re litigate it.

Jay Dyer (65:58)

Well, it's, I, I definitely agree that the real crux pivot thing is the international compromise fixer element. So that's the most important and I'm not downplaying the abuse of people, but the abuse and the number of the people is smaller than the number of people, people destroyed by 30 years of financial markets, war, chaos, all the things that he's got his hand in. That's way more damaging than, and I'm not trying to be callous but like if that's what you're saying or what he's saying and then yeah, I understand perhaps how you might try to frame that. I wouldn't have argued but I mean he's Catholic so maybe he thinks there's a point, point to arguing the 15 year old age limit thing or something in Cali countries. But I think it's, I think it all matters. And yeah, that's what there's, that's why there's always an open door is like I think I could, you know, I have insights on some of these things.

Caller/Listener (67:05)

I would enjoy a conversation between you guys. It, it reminds me of his perspective, reminds me of when people really beg a politician to like condemn something as racist. It's like what, what is all, what is obviously bad and already in the light does not need to be relitigated. It doesn't need to be condemned. What we need to be talking about is what people are clearly ignoring for narrative purposes.

Jay Dyer (67:28)

Yeah, I understand that. That's the, the, the narrative on X has gone in that direction. I usually focus and try to talk at a normie level to a lot of normies, you know what I mean? So I'm, so I'm always trying to convince people of like look, here's you know, the Rothschilds in their biography saying yeah, we gamed the stock market 200 years ago, hahaha, bragging about it, you know what I mean? So I'm always trying to focus on that bigger narrative because a lot of people still don't even know that this stuff is real. Like they don't know that underage espionage stuff is real. So.

Caller/Listener (68:09)

I, I'm the only Orthodox in my family. My entire family is Protestant. And recently my mom has been messaging me like, hey, what's up with Israel? And I'm like, I don't want to throw everything I know at her immediately because I don't want to scare her. So I'm like, very slowly asking her questions, like, what do you think Israel?

Jay Dyer (68:29)

That's exactly the way to. That's exactly the way to. To talk about these types of topics to boomers. Exactly right.

Caller/Listener (68:35)

I ask questions.

Steve Bannon (68:36)

I don't.

Caller/Listener (68:37)

I'm not throwing everything I know about Epstein's connection. I'm asking her questions. And it just clearly, clearly the boomers and the normies are getting wind of this and they are slowly realizing, okay, there is an ethnic component to it and we need to be able to talk about it openly and freely or we don't have free speech in this country.

Jay Dyer (68:58)

We don't. Yeah. No, that is true. And it's nice. Thank you for that calling that it's nice to be able to at least have some conversations now that couldn't be had, you know, a few years ago. So as we get into the perhaps Kabbalistic element of it, I'm not exactly sure where we're going at this point in the discussion, but I know it eventually kind of gets there. If you're looking for a kind of a basic overview of how these ideas ended up influencing people like Leibniz, who Epstein will begin to talk about, as well as other Hermeticists like Hegel, you will find this, this introductory discussion here with Jake Rattlesnake perhaps useful as we get into the overview of what Kabbalah is. A lot of people don't know what that is. They don't understand medieval Jewish mysticism. It's also based on a lot of.

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Jeff Stein McEffrey (70:55)

Most of my philanthropy in the area of can you describe things that appear to be unexplainable by mathematics? And can you fund people who have new ideas? And unfortunately, when someone thinks they've been able to, there's a man, Stuart Kaufman, when they think that, okay, I figured out how to be able to predict the unpredictable, what appears to other people to be unpredictable. But my system in those days was called genetic algorithms can predict what things will happen. And they all want to make money, so they use their systems to try to figure out. They know they have figured out the way to make money because they figured out the unexplainable. They try, they go bankrupt, and we start again. So with a cold view, what I've come to realize is that the attempt to mathematize, formularize, or in your prior work, to understand what really is in today's world still unexplainable is impossible. The miracles the.

Steve Bannon (71:40)

Your first head of Santa Fe was Christopher.

Jay Dyer (71:43)

That's interesting. So he's. He thinks of the global monetary system and the chaotic organism that is the global financial system as a mathematical thing that's alive. It almost sounds like gematria. So there's probably a gematria element. And let's not mince words here. Some of that gematria stuff is just ripped off of Pythagoras. Right. Pythagoras was a number magic believer. He thought that numbers were mystical, magical things. That's a big part of Platonism and Neoplatonism. And that element, as well as when you know the Hebrew text, for example, used the first several Hebrew letters as their numerical text. That's where you get gamatria. It's the same with the Greeks. The Greeks, for example, used first 10 letters as their numerals. So that principle itself is not necessarily some kind of crazy nonsense. And even within scripture, there are elements of Gematria. For example, when John uses 666 to stand for Nero, that's an example of it. Now, idiots on the Internet think that gematria is some magical code that they can tap into to predict all reality. And that kind of seems like the direction that Jeff Stein is going into. He wants to figure out if there's a way to study and map out the organism of the living mathematics, that is global finance, which is odd. But Makes perfect sense if you kind of know about some of the Gematria and Kabbalistic ideas for Langdon.

Steve Bannon (73:23)

Langdon from Australia was the funder.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (73:26)

He was the rock.

Steve Bannon (73:27)

Yes, he was the rock. He was a Nobel Prize winner. Yes, yes. And a wonderful guy. He came out and helped us with the BioSafe II project. He came with Chris Landon. Chris Landon was the operator.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (73:35)

Chris was doing artificial life. Murray tried to lead his own artificial eye.

Jay Dyer (73:38)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (73:40)

When Chris came to Virus II for the first big conference we had in 1994, he was one of the most impressive guys there among all the world's elite. Kew Gardens, the Lawrence Livermore lab, the labs at Sandia, you know, all the major universities. Lamont, Daugherty, all the big Earth observatories, Woods Hole. What set Langdon apart, I thought. And the reason I invited Santa Fe to be part of it was Langdon actually made a presentation that everything. And he was making this to scientists. A lot of marine biologists, a lot of people are just beginning. Wally Broeker and people who are just beginning the study of climate change at that time called global warming. That he made this compelling presentation that everything's really mathematics. It's all just back to math. And you have to. All these experiments you do, you're not. One of the reasons they're not considered by the high priest in physics as being real experiments is that they don't have a mathematical basis to it. And everything has a mathematical basis to it. Landed scenes like a radical visionary. What happened to that concept?

Jay Dyer (74:27)

Yeah, I don't think it's talking about Chris Langan. I don't know who he's. He said. It sounds like he said Langan, but I don't think it's that Chris Langan. I think it's. I would assume somebody different, but I. I could be wrong. It sounds like he's talking about somebody working in AI, and I don't know if Chris Langan worked in A or AI or not. Yeah. So irrationally irritable. $10. No, we did that. Excuse me. Sam became a member. What's up?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (75:00)

You go back 350 years. So you have Isaac Newton, you have Leibniz from Move Forward. You have people like Heisenberg and Goodell girl. And what every one of those mathematicians and philosophers came to understand is that there's something with these numbers can describe certain things, approximate certain things. But in fact, trying to put measurements and numbers on other things that are really unexplainable is Folly. It's so 300 years ago, they said that unexplainable realm was God. And people who attempted, in fact, to explain the unexplainable, who said, yes, I understand the unexplainable with charlatans. They were the occults. They were the astrologers. They were the con men.

Steve Bannon (75:40)

Alchemist.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (75:41)

Yes. Well, no alchemist was. In fact, they believed that there was a way to transmute one metal into another. In fact, they always wanted to see if they can create gold. There's no reason. If you think about it, they recognize that one metal is different than another metal because it has some additional pieces to it, has additional neutrons or protons or electrons. So because they thought it was a machine, they believed it was a machine. If I can take five protons and add five, that gives me 10, I should be able to get gold, move everything around inside the system, the molecules transmute one molecule into another. And if this molecule I've transmuted it into is gold, I'm a rich man. It's back to money. But there's something strange happens. Isaac Newton says, this is really weird. If I want to push a ball on the table, I have to touch it. Maybe I have to blow on it, but I actually have to push one side of the ball or the book to move that side. I'm pushing here. And obviously, this thing is what appears to us humans to be solid, so it moves as one thing. But the only way to get something to move was to touch it or put a force against it. Okay. Seems to make sense. Everybody has that experience, you know, want to lift the glass, I lift it. If I want to push a ball, I push it. If I want to pull a ball, I pull it. But he recognized when the ball fell off the table. Fell off the table, it went in a different direction. How's that possible? Nobody pushed the ball down. And he said, this is crazy. Why did the ball go down? I didn't push it. I just let it go. So someone's pushing the ball. Because I know. I am confident that the only thing that gets something to move is with a force that pushes. So there's a force that's pushing the ball down. In fact, he never. He called it gravity. He measured.

Jay Dyer (77:09)

I'm assuming he's going to go from Newtonian physics to quantum physics. And this is how he's going to get into the mystical stuff, how fast.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (77:16)

It was pulled, but never was able to explain why it happened. How is it. What is gravity? It's this. Everybody says, well, why did the ball fall to the ground? Because gravity took it but what's gravity? That's, as Feynman would say. That's the name of the thing. We have no idea what it is. This goes to Santa Fe. They were trying to put. Explain the unexplainable. Can we measure, can we figure out a way to predict the stock markets using these types of chaos complexity?

Steve Bannon (77:39)

Before we get there, let's walk back. Let's go back to Newton, pre Newton. And then what did Newton solve that for millennia up to Newton had not been solved. Then I want to go forward all the way to Santa Fe, what they were trying to solve. Let's start with just two or three of the basic guys, but let's go with Newton.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (77:51)

What.

Steve Bannon (77:52)

Pre Newton. It was what. And then why is Newton such a.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (77:55)

A genius in such a.

Jay Dyer (77:56)

In.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (77:57)

In the.

Steve Bannon (77:57)

I think mathematically they told me one time, I've seen there's been 115 billion people roughly that have lived on the Earth. And of that 115 billion. Newton.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (78:04)

Are you sure that's a number? That sounds a lot. Very high. We only have seven now, I think.

Steve Bannon (78:07)

In the history of the Earth. I think I, I'll pull, I'll pull up the stat for you. But I think it's 115 billion people.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (78:10)

They figured that probably is inflation. That's why you have.

Steve Bannon (78:12)

Have lived. Have lived through the. Have lived on Earth. But he's on the handful of the most important, important. What did he solve for? Why is he so important for how we live today? And then we want to go through Leibniz and the other two or three other measurements that get us to Santa Fe.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (78:23)

Well, it's a long. It's a long journey.

Steve Bannon (78:25)

This is the heart of the. This is the heart of what we're trying to do.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (78:26)

Let me take a bit of a detour for a second. If you went to high school and the last year in your high school, you took calculus. So Isaac Newton sort of invents calculus. Well, that sounds invents, you know, mathematicians.

Steve Bannon (78:37)

To torture seniors in high school before they graduate.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (78:39)

Yes, but obviously no. Yes. The answer is yes. Certain people can't. Could never do calculus.

Steve Bannon (78:43)

Why is it. Why is calculus so. Why is that the dividing line between, you know, to me, people who could handle that and could go on to do certain things, and people just hit the wall even if they know math. It seems to me that there's. That the calculus is the thing that changes. That's because it's about the, about the theory of change, dude.

Jay Dyer (79:00)

Well, Bannon, let him answer the questions. Ban is Getting annoying here.

Steve Bannon (79:03)

Change in the theory of how things change.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (79:05)

It's a great question, but in fact, what calculus does is it's somewhat philosophical. That's why mathematics is. You know, they used to. Newton wasn't a mathematician. He was called a geometer. That's what they used to call themselves. They understood geometry and numbers. But there's an old conundrum where it says during Pythagoras days. Zeno's Paradox, it's called. Where they said, well, if I take. If the wall is two feet away from me and I take one step that's halfway to the wall, that'll be one foot away. And if I take another step that's half again, that'll be half a foot away, then a quarter of a foot. I could walk forever but never touch the wall. Doesn't sound realistic, doesn't make any sense in our real lives of the physical. But what Newton understood is many problems were like that. Many things approached the wall or in calculus, approached the limit but never really reached it. So he said, it's okay, you don't have to reach it. We can do lots of the mathematics as if it was so close, it was almost there. And we could do lots of mathematics almost being at the limit. And this is really important, Steve, for today, because most of the science up until today.

Jay Dyer (80:03)

Who's that walking around? Is that just Lane walking around the background? Somebody's peeping around?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (80:08)

Was things that starting to approach the limit. You were taught in high school that if you had one divided by zero, if you remember your high school algebra, you were told, what's the answer to that? Is there an answer?

Jay Dyer (80:22)

Come on, dude, let's get to the point.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (80:23)

One divided by zero.

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Jeff Stein McEffrey (80:25)

If you're in high school, it's like, stay away from. It's the boogeyman. You could write it down as it's undefined. It's not able to be determined. There's a bunch of things. But in fact, one divided by zero is a. Strange things happen. It's a world of the strange. And what I'll explain to you after is that when you get 1 divided by 0, you get into a world we don't know what happens. The answer is it's not.

Jay Dyer (80:45)

Oh, dude, somebody said that was Candace astral projecting into the video. Damn. And by the way, if Charlie Chorley had that time tech, there's no reason Candace couldn't go back in time and astral project into the Bandit interview.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (81:01)

Dude, that's what that was explainable. We can give it. We can call it things like undetermined. We can have a convention to say it's X, Y or Z. But in real life we don't know what happens when you are actually at the limit. So that's Newton thought the same concept is that the limits were. Philip God. You got close to God, but you can never be God. He had this sort of religious interpretation.

Steve Bannon (81:20)

Okay, I want to go back to Newton. Why is Newton such a big dividing line in mankind's history? What is it about Newton? What is about what he tried to solve? What did they not know beforehand? And what. Because we live to a degree.

Jay Dyer (81:30)

Doesn't everybody know this from like, like first level, like your first physics class in college? Why do we need a. I know people want to question Newton and they want to, you know, people believe in quantum physics. I know all that. I'm just like, this is a. It's just bizarre that we went from corruption and high finance to Bannon wanting a. An introductory course on Newtonian physics of cause and effect. It's just weird.

Steve Bannon (82:02)

Newtonian, universal. That I realized later some sub particle atomic physics. But at least for a while it was Newtonian. So what's the divine.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (82:08)

Why is he so important?

Steve Bannon (82:09)

Why is he an inflection point in mankind's movement from the swamp to the stars?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (82:13)

That's a great question. Stars by Kepler. What Newton starts to allow us to do is to make predict accurate predictions. Remember that. We've talked about that with money. About the things in our physical world. How cars. He didn't have cars. How horse carriages move, how things. How bowling balls moved, how pool cues and pool, excuse me, pool table balls.

Steve Bannon (82:31)

People tried to solve that before Newton, Heraclitus or you know, Plotinus, Pythagoras had these great civilizations.

Jay Dyer (82:38)

Come on, dude.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (82:39)

He knew again that it was all numbers. This was a system of things in the physical world. And Pythagoras says we can start putting numbers on things that help you predict how they will behave. You can add two triangles and make a square, some different shapes. They're looking at geometric forms. Newton says, well, I want to know how planets move. I want to know how things around me move. Can we find formulas? Can I find formulas that explain what I see in the physical world, how physical things interact and how they describe one another. Again, the fact that two things, two solid masses for some very strange unknown reason unknown today, attract one another, no matter what they are. People have seen the experiment. You hang of something. Two little metal balls from a string, they move towards each other. In fact There's a. They move towards each other with a very.

Jay Dyer (83:22)

Yeah, there's different theories about whether Leibniz discovered calculus or Newton or did they actually independently both discover calculus. It's an interesting point, but specific.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (83:31)

So when you drop the ball to the floor of this room, Newton says, in fact, the room came up a bit to meet the ball. The room moved. It's imperceptible. You can't really perceive that motion. But they attracted each other with certain ratios. So he started to be able to measure things in the physical world. And that was great advances it also you wanted to move very quickly. Unfortunately, most people, especially in the 20th century, 19th century, said, well, like Newton, let's measure everything. Let's measure people's behavior, let's measure their psychology, let's measure their health. You go to the. We can have my.

Jay Dyer (84:03)

So this is like quantification, right? The idea that everything could be quantified. And now we know Bannon has an interest in perennialism and you know, the traditionalist so called school. So Bannon has read Evola and presumably Frithof Schuhon and Ganon. So this seems to be verging into the, you know, reign of quantity from Ganon, that kind of stuff like this.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (84:26)

Let's measure everything. Measure Wall street, their voting habits. Measure, measure, measure. Can we put a number on how much I care for my wife? Can I put a number on how I feel? And we tried, unfortunately, we Matt, try to mathematize, it's called quantification minor things in life and then recognize that there's things that unfortunately, fortunately just fall outside everyone shorting.

Jay Dyer (84:46)

Yeah, that's a great point. Normies3 think this is genius talk, right? So like basic. This is even like, Isn't this like 8th grade physics? Like people, people think 8th grade physics class talk is like, wow, this is like, this is like high brain stuff. Wow, this is high tiered stuff. Oh, I'm terrible at math. I don't remember any of that math. But like, I know this stuff. Like, I remember a lot of this. Like, well, this isn't even. This is what. Yeah, this is why normies will fall for like the most ridiculous word salad, right?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (85:25)

Wrote a very famous book about what is life. He was trying to figure out a way. Can he describe the difference formulaically between things that are alive and things that are dead? The answer is no. The things that are alive in my world are miracles, not magic. Magic has a bad connotation.

Steve Bannon (85:39)

You don't believe in the spirit or the soul. That's what animates people is your spirit or your soul. Have you ever seen someone die?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (85:44)

When they die, their spirit leaves, their soul leaves. No question.

Steve Bannon (85:46)

There's no question to you.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (85:47)

No question.

Steve Bannon (85:47)

There's no question to you that there is some animating life force within us that leaves. When you're dead.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (85:52)

Yes. In fact I refer to the soul. There's obviously a certain. The questions in the past, even though.

Steve Bannon (85:56)

People would normally think you were soulless. So thank you. To have you just. No, to have you talk about you actually believe in it and have done some thinking about it is pretty shocking in its own right, isn't it?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (86:04)

Well again, Mathematic Leibniz. And Leibniz thought.

Steve Bannon (86:07)

No, Newton was at Cambridge and he was the head of the math department.

Jay Dyer (86:10)

Right.

Steve Bannon (86:10)

He's a professor. But Leibniz was Leibniz a German professor.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (86:13)

Yes, but what Leibniz said is the soul is so strange because God took chemicals, which is simply the material, like tables, and he somehow made this material able to have a thought. How strange is that? Not only does it have a soul, but this some way it was put together that this material substance is able to think. So when you say to me it's obvious to everyone that there's such a thing as a soul. Now if you're part of the charlatanville, you'll try to explain it to people. The soul I describe is the dark matter of the brain. Why does it dark matter? Because in high energy physics.

Jay Dyer (86:45)

Wait a minute, Jeff. Let's do a little pre supping of Jeff Stein McEffrey here. Religion and con artists are the ones that try to explain the soul. By the way, here's my explanation of the soul. Are you admitting that you're a con artist?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (87:02)

Nowadays you hear terms of dark matter, dark energy. Again terminology, it's a complicated term. Why is it dark matter? Because we can't see it, that's all. What do you mean you can't see it? Well, somehow we see something moving towards this area of darkness. Something. I can see this thing, this appears to me to be empty. It's just black. But I see it being drawn this way. So I say, well I know if this were matter that would follow that equation. If this was solid, it would explain the way this particle moves.

Jay Dyer (87:28)

Yeah, I'm not detecting high levels of genius here. I'm detecting like basic familiarity with basic ideas. That's, that's so far what I'm detecting here. So I mean, I guess what he said about Leibniz is kind of true, but I Mean, you could read a Wikipedia entry and kind of get that much of it.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (87:49)

But I can't see anything here. So I'll just call it dark matter. And I'll say, I don't know what it is, but it behaves as if there was something there. The soul is obvious to everyone that there's something different between things that are alive and things that are not alive. But we have no idea what it is. It's currently unexplainable. I believe we need an entirely different system of analysis to try to figure out.

Steve Bannon (88:10)

No, with Newton, you know, so interesting.

Jay Dyer (88:14)

So he is talking about sort of mystical ideas here. So are we going to get full Kabbalism? Let's see where we go.

Steve Bannon (88:22)

All his chemical studies and things he worked on the spiritual side. Leibniz has just talked about the soul. Schroeder talked about what it's like. If a modern scientist or someone that you funded at MIT or Harvard or one of these things talked in those types of terms, they would be considered to be a wing nut today, wouldn't they? They would not be on the path for tenure. Right.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (88:39)

Unless they were in the philosophy department.

Steve Bannon (88:41)

This is exactly my point. We're talking about three of the greatest mathematicians in mankind's history that have really changed mankind, talking like this. What happened? How do we get to a situation where, where they could not be in the high physics, you know, they could not be in the mathematic, in the mathematics department, or working in high energy physics.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (88:53)

It's an easy answer. Newton was a combination of mathematician or geometer then and philosopher. And as time went on that those disciplines seemed to.

Jay Dyer (89:01)

Well, Newton was an alchemist, so he didn't. He referenced alchemy earlier and said he kind of gave some credence to the possibility, the transmutation of matter, that he thinks that's legit. And now he's talking about Newton, who was a committed hermeticist alchemist.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (89:17)

Move apart. We had philosophy. Some of the philosophers can't do math and some of the mathematicians. And again, mathematicians often break into two categories. People that solve problems, those are more like geometries than the old age. It's problem solvers. And then there's thinkers, theoreticians. They're more like the old movement towards philosophy. But neither one of those two groups have been able to figure out why something is alive as opposed to something that's not alive. No one's been able to describe what the soul is, but we all know it exists. And I think what we need is a new Science is a bad word. I think science only describes the things we already know about the physical world. In fact, there's an argument that the physical world that we see has been created out of our systems to be of mathematics.

Jay Dyer (89:54)

So there you have a Pythagorean kabbalistic argument that reality itself is mathematics or numbers. And you do find this in some of the known, well known famous physicists out there, like Max Tegmark. Max Tegmart, for example, thinks that reality literally is numbers, which is again kind of the ancient Pythagorean and Platonic position. So that's definitely where he's coming from, whether you believe it or not. And it's interesting because I've said for a long time that I think that probably the elites themselves, and I'm not saying that he's really some kind of like he really knows the science. He seems to be more of a sued, but a very well connected sued, an organized crime figure. They have a different physics. And that's exactly what I've been saying all along. And I said that years ago because Brave New World says that Mustafa Mon says to John the Savage, yeah, we have a different physics and science that is nothing to do with what we put out to the normies. We debase the normies through deracinating toxic culture. And we have a separate understanding and discourse that we do. And it sounds like mystical Neoplatonic stuff. And that's exactly what Justine, Justine McAffrey is saying here.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (91:13)

Mathematics. Everyone knows mathematics describes the physical world much greater than it should. Unless you My view, the physical world really comes out of conscious beings that have mathematics, so they create it. This table appears to you in to be solid to a bat. Or if because we have light that's bouncing off the table into our eyes, it appears solid. If instead of eyes that responded to wavelengths of visual light, our eyes responded to radio waves, the radio frequencies. It's not different. It's the same type of frequency as light with different speeds. The table is invisible. We know that our phone works in this room. So the waves are coming through the windows. The waves are coming through the walls.

Jay Dyer (91:51)

Walls.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (91:52)

So the walls are invisible to that type of radiation, that type of energy. The walls aren't. I can see them because my eyes. A physical system determines that. The walls are there.

Jay Dyer (92:02)

You with with now we're going full David Ikea. Five sets reality. Five sets reality.

Steve Bannon (92:13)

You found it.

Jay Dyer (92:13)

We just need Jeff Stein McGovery to talk about the cheetah. Ori next.

Steve Bannon (92:16)

Chitta Ori or with the Original donor and had the idea of Santa Fe Institute 10 or 15 years later. That effort to study the complexity of systems mathematically.

Jay Dyer (92:26)

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Caller/Listener (93:37)

I like. I appreciate, you know, you covering the EP stuff up, but, like, hey, I was reading through. I've been going through. Through all the Epstein files, like, along with you and, and the audience and like, hey, shout out to the cholos, because no cholos are on the EP files.

Jay Dyer (93:54)

Hey, bro, That's. That's totally based, bro. It's like, amen. There was not one Jose. There was not one Gusto. Not Juan Gonzalez in all of them files, bro.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (94:08)

Do.

Jay Dyer (94:09)

We barely made the cut, though. We barely made the cut.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (94:11)

Pro.

Jay Dyer (94:12)

Hey, check it out, though. No cholos. What up, dude? Hey, fool. No homies. No homies in the files. What's up, Tindall? Yo, Jay, what's McKenna think about the Kabbalah tonight? Well, I think it's very important that we don't get a negative view of the Kabbalah from Jeffrey Epstein. Just because the evil people use the Kabbalah as a tool doesn't mean the tool itself is evil. That's the very important. That was Terence McKenna, by the way. Carlos.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (95:00)

What's up, dude?

Jay Dyer (95:01)

Hey, Carlos, man. What's on your mind, bro? Hey, dude, was you in the files, bro? Was you in the files? Yo, gotta unmute, bro. Hey, fool, you barely unmuted Carlos. Unmute is.

Caller/Listener (95:17)

See, this is Carlos.

Jay Dyer (95:18)

Hey, bro, are you in the files?

Caller/Listener (95:21)

I don't. I have been looking. I am not in the files.

Jay Dyer (95:24)

Did you check your real name, bro? Or your fake name?

Caller/Listener (95:27)

No, it's. It's. It's close enough.

Jay Dyer (95:29)

It's Charles.

Caller/Listener (95:30)

But if I were really high or really drunk, Epstein would be making a whole lot more sense. And I, I think he is. He's got his two hour interview with Steve Bannon.

Jay Dyer (95:43)

It's like.

Caller/Listener (95:44)

I think he's just stalling for time. He's not said a thing.

Jay Dyer (95:51)

We're an hour and a half into it. No, I mean, you think he's stalling?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (95:55)

Maybe.

Jay Dyer (95:56)

I mean he's balling like Joseph Stalin. Just kidding. I mean he said some things.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (96:04)

He.

Jay Dyer (96:05)

I mean what he said in one half of an hour could have been said in 10 minutes. I'll say that much.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (96:10)

Total failure.

Steve Bannon (96:11)

Yeah, total failure.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (96:12)

Total failure.

Steve Bannon (96:12)

Why is that?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (96:13)

It's the failure of science. Because in fact, if to some extent science doesn't describe romance, I don't know why I'm attracted to somebody. I don't know. People are tracked.

Jay Dyer (96:22)

Well, maybe it's because they're like five year olds and. No, I'm just joking. Yeah. This is a bizarre interview. This is just so weird. We've got a couple more super chats. Faradan Corino used to research the Jason Group. It's covered extensively in the Anna Jacobson book on the history of DARPA, which we lectured through. 500 page book we lecture through and is covered extensively in the Soldiers of Reason book which we lectured through. So I'm familiar with the Jason Group. It's elite scientists. They were advisors to governments on sensitive things like fusion, plasma, dirge, defense projects. Yes, I'm very familiar with it. They also talk about free energy and ether. Yep. Cyrus. Pat. Did you talk about extensively the connection to Israel? Yes, we've covered it all week. I've not been able to tune in all week. Thank you for your work. Thank you. 96 to Shay $5. Do you somehow it feels like Epstein thing like it's. Wait. Somehow it feels like we aren't treating this Epstein thing like it's a world leading billionaires involved? Yeah, I mean it's, it's. I mean I've been saying all week it's Bonneville and stuff. What do you mean? Cyrus Potema, $5. I found out one of my friends uncles is listed. Well, I mean a lot of. It's 3 million files and that includes news articles, it's all kinds of stuff. So I mean, you know, Lord Voldemort was in there and Even Jeff Stein McGuffery was saying he didn't like Lord Voldemort because Voldemort exposes the networks. It's what Alex was saying. But let's finish this. We're almost to the end of it.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (98:00)

Each other and some everyone has the same feeling. They've seen someone walk in the room and they say oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling. Science has tried to describe science.

Jay Dyer (98:07)

This is low. I mean wow, sixth sense. This is so deep.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (98:11)

Describe what creepy feelings means. They just know it's a creepy feeling. I think women, as I said, Jeff.

Jay Dyer (98:17)

Must be describing the feeling that many women had when he came into the room. So he must be very familiar with people having the creepy feeling phenomenon last time.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (98:26)

Have an intuitive sense. What is intuitive? They have intuition. They have feelings and they're able to deal in the realm of of things that men, especially men like myself find unexplainable. They have great women have intuition. Men see things a bit differently. Men want to measure everything.

Jay Dyer (98:41)

Women are not really oh see, he's an intuitive bro.

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Jay Dyer (99:15)

We had a lot of callers tonight calling in with their intuition. We should just follow their intuition. Candace, just follow my intuition. Don't worry about a bunch of research and reading books. Just follow my intuition. Well, it turns out Justin McEF is a good he's a. He's a defender of women. He's a good old feminist at heart. Good old Jeff Stein McEffrey women have a more deeply seated intuitive sense. Now do you think Jeff really believe that given what he says in all of the other private communications, particularly with regard to eugenics and IQ and all of the nasty times that he speaks.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (99:54)

Of the wiggers interested in measuring.

Caller/Listener (99:59)

In.

Steve Bannon (99:59)

What you're saying in macro terms you actually think science, mathematics, maybe ultimately technology is moving to that more intuitive.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (100:05)

I think science and math are old fashioned and unfortunately people are still taught that they have.

Jay Dyer (100:10)

Yeah, we need a new science that's lady led. I'm ready for slay queen science slay science girl. And it's just going to be what I feel at the moment. By the way, Canned is going to be the high priestess of the new science because it's whatever I dreamed, it's whatever I feels at the moment and it's whoever I don't like they is canceled. Unscientific. That's the new science. And you heard it from just undercaffrey right there yourself.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (100:39)

To learn algebra in school and certain things in school as opposed to learning to give.

Steve Bannon (100:44)

Is this what Larry Summers was trying.

Jay Dyer (100:45)

By the way, this is the public comment consumption stuff. K Purr going to be the new science queen. Remember when what his name was Fouchy. Y' all remember y' all remember Fouchy. Fouchy said I am the science. Don't disagree with me. I am the science. Well Jeff Stein is saying Katy Perry is the science of the future to.

Steve Bannon (101:10)

Get at maybe didn't.

Jay Dyer (101:11)

By the way, why do you hate women if you don't support so hold on. If you are against but if you're a feminist then you're pro. Jeffrey Epstein See, now we're toying with the fallacies, right?

Steve Bannon (101:25)

Perfectly enough. But what he was trying to get to in. In that system, the systems we study today, the way mathematics either taught or.

Jay Dyer (101:31)

Understood Jeff Sign be like so basically what I'm saying is that Earth is too ashy, okay? Earth, you see is very ghetto. It's very ashy. It's very ghetto. And we want to un. Gatify and unash the earth. We with a large quantity of Diddy oil that would then moisturize the earth to make it no longer ashy.

Steve Bannon (101:47)

That women just haven't gotten up to the highest realms of engineering or physics or mathematics because of that.

Jay Dyer (101:52)

Because they was oppressed dog. Because the patriarchy was oppressing the women. See you ladies. Y' all had a negative appraisal of Jeff Sam G. All these years y' all thought he was a bad dude. He's on your side. He's trying to. He's trying to get you a damn STEM job. He's trying to get your stem cells and get you a stem position, girlfriend.

Steve Bannon (102:14)

And you're. You're actually implying that there's a either new branch of science or we've hit an inflection point like a Newton that's going to go in a. Newton took mankind in a different direction because he was able to measure. Then you had subatomic, you know, non Newtonian physics later. Are you saying that you think there's another developing field that's coming up that may take us I don't know how many decades to get our hands around but that. That's what's evolving out of this?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (102:31)

Yes. Yeah. In fact I think that mathematics it's not the end of science Every year someone says it's the end of we can't discover everything. There's lots to discover with a relationship to the physical world. But we know a lot already in respect to the unexplainable world. We almost know nothing.

Jay Dyer (102:45)

Somebody was calling him Jeffrey Simpstein. We have the smartest, funniest chat on the Internet. I swear, dude, you guys make me cry, laughing all the time.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (102:58)

Women again, sense it. And instead of Larry Summers, I'm just. I won't digress too much, but Howard Gardner. Ron said there's not one form of intelligence.

Jay Dyer (103:06)

It just occurred to me how amazingly transparent this is, how hypocritical the mainline voices of feminism are. This is a man who steals grapes, traffics women, young women, and he's publicly a feminist women's rights supporter. Amazing. The level of just. Absolutely. And by the way, how many of the major voices of feminism, especially the male feminists, how many of them have we seen exhibit the exact same traits where they get busted for some grape scandal or some insane level of weird deviancy that they're into? Isn't that interesting? Shocker, right?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (103:49)

It's not mathematical intelligence. There's emotional intelligence. There's kinesthetic intelligence. You know, there's this argument that I reject that black people are less intelligent than white people. It's not true.

Jay Dyer (103:59)

Oh, really? Is that why all of your text messages and private communications say the exact opposite? Because you talk about genetics research and all the connections between genetics and iq. Interesting.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (104:10)

We know, for example, that if I was in a. In the forest and I had to run from the lion or figure out a way not to be eaten, and my competition is a local African. I'm gonna. I'm the one who's getting eaten. Because they have the intelligence to. To deal with a local environment. So.

Jay Dyer (104:26)

Wait, what was he just saying? That if I was in Africa, why.

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Jay Dyer (105:03)

The black people would eat me, and so I would not be intelligent. But he was in. In the context of defending black people as not low iq, but then saying that they're going to eat me. Like what? That was a wild twist there, Jeff.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (105:24)

It's just different. It's not better, it's not worse. But there's many differences amongst different types of people and people have different intelligences and they excel in some intelligences usually and less so in others wanting to come to.

Steve Bannon (105:34)

Because the world of high finance is a world of pure reason. Or is it a lot of emotion and gut checks and. And, you know, on trading desk and central banks, when these decisions get made, is it, is it that.

Jay Dyer (105:44)

Oh, he was saying he was running from a lion. Didn't he say cannibal? I thought he said the word cannibal.

Steve Bannon (105:49)

High church, like the high church of science, of high energy physics, or is it as much emotion that comes in as much as the mathematics?

Jay Dyer (105:55)

And the reason the high church of high energy physics. Bizarre terminology.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (106:02)

It's a great question. I think if you talk to really experienced and successful traders.

Jay Dyer (106:07)

Somebody said ape stainless because he's fleeing around Africa from the cannibal tribe. Was it lions or cannibals?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (106:19)

And you ask them how they know what's going on. They can't give you an answer. They don't know. They feel it. They can feel the way the market's moving, they can feel the way the stock's moving. And that these are not very well defined terms. It's not. It's difficult to put in mathematics terms how did I feel it? You could look back and make guesses what I was seeing. But great traders feel it and then act on their feelings. That's the difference. Many people feel it but are afraid because they want a mathematical justification.

Jay Dyer (106:41)

Now I'm starting to think it really is human jerky, because he's talking about. I thought he said cannibals eating him in Africa. Was it lions or. I'm confused. I don't know what's. I'm lost. We're five, five hours into this.

Steve Bannon (106:54)

When you first got on the trading desk at Bear Stearns in the late 70s or mid-70s, were you shocked by how little actual understanding of mathematics that the traders comprehended?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (107:01)

Yeah, Again, we had a Texas instrument calculator. Most, most stockbrokers in the. Especially before 1975, if they were good stockbrokers, could add. That's about it. They could multiply. If you could multiply, you were already in the top 15% of stockbrokers. Stock brokers simply meant I Jafar APC. There's a great. There's a story. When I went to the first person, I had no money and I said, how much money do you make a year? And he said, $400,000. Impossible. I'm making $10,000.

Steve Bannon (107:26)

That's probably more than your family had made in his entire existence.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (107:28)

Yes. And he makes it in a year. I said, what do you do? And he said, it's too complicated for you to understand, which is what the main thrust of Wall street people, they want to tell you it's too complicated because if you understood that that person was simply. He had a brother in law, in fact, in this case who ran the pension fund, the General Motors. His brother in law would call him and say, buy a thousand IBM. He'd hang up the phone, he'd write it out on a ticket and walk it to a window. That was his entire skill set. Hello? Write what my brother in law says, walk it to a ticket window.

Steve Bannon (107:54)

Give me an example when you're on the trading desk of a time that you felt either complete uncertainty or you saw total panic, where people.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (108:01)

That's why it's so exciting now, because I think certain people are starting to realize that there's so many things that are unexplainable that we have to think about them differently. Music is a great example. It's a common man's example. You know, when you hear a certain song, it makes you feel a certain way. How does it do that? We don't know. We can't mathematize it. And even that music. Steve, nowadays we compress music. When you have a violin, it's compressed onto your iPhone. So what does compression mean? I'm taking lots of information and I'm cutting it into lots of pieces and squishing it together. And when I squish it.

Jay Dyer (108:37)

Oh, coping $15. Jay, have you reviewed the controversies about Dame Sarah Mulally? She's soon to be the female archbishop Bishop of Canterbury. Anglicans wild now. No, but I mean, I knew that the Episcopal or the Anglican and Episcopal churches were from the very inception, fake. What's intuitive? It's intuition. Justine McEffrey says to Tuxedo dude, bro, $2. Does human jerky taste like Canadian bacon? Yes. Yes. Alan Rodriguez. I just finished watching Nick Cage 8 millimeter. Is there any way that I could get a breakdown? Sincerely, Yakub. Yeah, we need to do 8 millimeter. I think that's the one of the Nick Cage movies we haven't done. Unless we did it on the 50k party stream. We might have. I don't remember, but we should probably revisit it. That's a lot more relevant now, isn't it. Okay, Somebody had a comment about Archbishop or Patriarch Kirill, and I can't find it. Where'd it go? Thank you. Intel. Wild for that comment. Okay, there was a comment. Let me see. Do you have any thoughts on Chris Langan's CTMU? Blacksmith, $5. I mean, I think there's some interesting parallels with Tag, but it also kind of ends up being, if I recall, a thing where he thinks that you. You project reality from your mind, which I don't understand. That K and R$5. There was a meeting between Kirol and the Coptics. This is a great look at Christian outreach. That is not Eist. Everybody should watch it. Okay. I wasn't unaware of that. High on Jack. $2. He looks like a malnourished Ron Perlman. He does. You're right.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (110:34)

Compress it.

Jay Dyer (110:35)

He's like Ron Perlman on Ozempic.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (110:38)

Have to take out lots of pieces, but I say that they're not very important pieces.

Jay Dyer (110:43)

Elballoo, $5. What would Katt Williams say about this? Listen, listen, I'm gonna tell y' all right now. Ain't no Justine McAffrey going up in my booty hole, okay?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (110:53)

It's those pieces that we take out when we compress data to me are the most interesting parts of life.

Steve Bannon (110:59)

You just said a while ago, part of this new search for science may go back to when people were actually talking about a soul. And you said, no doubt in your mind that there is a soul. Describe for me what you mean by that. What do you mean by soul? What do you mean soul different than the physical analog body that we're seeing on film right now.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (111:11)

It's difficult to describe in words. I mean, I'm not a poet. Poems get a little closer to what that really means, but we can even the concept of what is life becomes complicated when you deal with plan plants and seeds. Is a seed alive? I don't know if certain people say, no, it's dead. When you're a banana, one of my favorite examples is the banana that's sitting on the countertop in your kitchen today. Is it alive or dead?

Steve Bannon (111:31)

What do you think about human life? What does human tell me about human life?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (111:33)

Your banana is alive.

Jay Dyer (111:34)

This is funny because this is their text email exchange where they have this conversation about whether the banana is alive. And then they're like, okay, but is it conscious? It's just goofy.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (111:47)

That banana's breathing. It's on your. You say, that's impossible, Jeffrey. No.

Steve Bannon (111:50)

Is the banana conscious?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (111:52)

All these words, these are words. So everyone's trying to fit very complicated concepts into a very small box called conscious or alive. These don't fit in that way. So if you put your banana in a bag and put another fruit in with it, the fruit ripens faster because the banana breathes with it. That's OK.

Jay Dyer (112:09)

We've weave a Citicolo. Two dollars. Does Jeff Stein McGaffrey have pepperoni nipples? Peppers Pepstein. I don't know. I haven't looked at his nude body. I don't really care to see his nude body.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (112:22)

Understand most of those things. So you asked the question.

Steve Bannon (112:25)

You talk about the life. What about human life?

Jay Dyer (112:27)

What about it?

Steve Bannon (112:28)

Tell me, what do you think? What do you think human life is?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (112:30)

It's a miracle. It's a miracle. And when I say miracle, I can't explain it and make no attempt to explain it. At the moment, we don't know how to think about it. And anyone. Again, another one of the Feynman quotes. When he was talking about quantum physics, he said, anyone? Jeffrey. Jeffrey, who says they understand quantum physics and quantum mechanics and quantum behavior? You know, they like, let's talk about it.

Steve Bannon (112:47)

That's post Newtonian talk. Talk about what's the difference who founded quantum mechanics? What?

Jay Dyer (112:51)

It's funny because even though this is new ag, he also kind of sounds like a Reddit bro too. Right? He's like a Reddit bro normie with a lot of this stuff which is cracking me up.

Steve Bannon (113:01)

It's quantum mechanics. Taking Newtonian physics and taking it to.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (113:04)

The next level, it forms a much broader category.

Steve Bannon (113:07)

Let's go back to this desk. You used the thing of Newton using this desk. Why can't Newton's theory explain everything? Why did subatomic quantum mechanics or quantum physics have to come in to explain this?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (113:16)

Well, so let's go right back to square one. Why is it called quantum physics? So quanta is a word that simply means packet, small amount. So it's quantized. So we recognized when we recognize that this table appears, appears another very complicated word. Solidus. It's really made up of molecules or atoms. And atoms. We've given lots of names to what some of the behaviors.

Jay Dyer (113:37)

Wow, this is really deep. So we're back to seventh grade level physics class. This is amazing.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (113:45)

If you were in school when you and I were in school in the 50s, the model was a little center thing in the middle and electron went around and around was seen as a ball that went around and around.

Jay Dyer (113:58)

Daniel, $5. Did you see Epstein's email to Albrecht about making grindr Profiles to black male American politicians. That's a joke. That's a joke. Daniel is joking.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (114:08)

As we start to look at say, well, let's see what this ball looks like. I want to be able to examine that little thing called an electron. We found.

Jay Dyer (114:15)

Yeah, a lot of abdillah monkey coded references here with the bananas and the, you know, evolution and this is getting really deep.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (114:24)

But there was nothing there. There wasn't the thing. It was simply a cloud of.

Jay Dyer (114:29)

I like how they're discussing things that you would literally hear in like your Introduction to Philosophy class. Like the first day. This is the stuff that comes up, like literally an Intro to Philosophy. Okay. Which I remember Intro to Philosophy. I had a great Intro to Philosophy professor. He was a human skeptic. He was a great professor. And this is literally the stuff that we talked about. It was, it was like, all right, let's talk about philosophy. And, and he was not a Jewish guy. He was a, a chubby, kind of alcoholic dude with a big gut. And he would just kind of, he would, he would just sort of hold the, the chalk like this and, and he would rest his hand on his, his gut and he would go, yeah, well, so it's like the number seven, right? Is number seven a lie? What is it? Where is it? How do we know what it is? What do you guys think? Right? That's like day one of Introduction to Philosophy in college. Your first day. And it's funny to me because like, he and Bannon think they're having this like 200 IQ level conversation that no one can even barely understand. And it's literally what you would talk about, like the first day of philosophy class.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (115:43)

Energy that we can call an electron. So we already start to see mysterious things as we go into very super small quantities. Quantum physics. So quantum physics started to go into the very small and very small distances.

Jay Dyer (115:54)

Wow. So quantum physics about small quantities is actually about the physics of small quantities. Damn, this is blowing my mind, dude.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (116:05)

We, we see things that we can't explain, just cannot explain.

Steve Bannon (116:08)

How am I doing?

Jay Dyer (116:08)

Time, four minutes. We got Face Lords and we got Mind Lords. We got Mind Lords. But by the way, this is also why the new atheists in his sphere were so influential and were so effective from the 2000s up into, you know, the death of the. That stuff, you know, five or six years ago, it's dying out on YouTube. You have the last dying gasps of it with Professor Dave and Dareth Derek. Myth, vision and all that. Like, this explains why this was so easy to pass off. On people was because people were dumbed down and they were stupid and, and being introduced to a lot of these topics and because people don't study philosophy, they think that this is, oh my gosh, the dark enlightenment. Dude, these people are so smart, bro. And then you notice anytime that they encounter anybody with like a. Just a mid tier level of philosophy, they're like, why is it big words? What, what logic is, what that mean.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (117:11)

What that is, what that is, what.

Steve Bannon (117:13)

I mean, what I mean, right?

Jay Dyer (117:14)

They go full Bryson gray logic. What that is, what that means, what that mean.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (117:19)

And to summarize, I'm sorry, let's go.

Steve Bannon (117:22)

Back to human life. When do you think human life starts?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (117:25)

It's not these. So you see, this is the question. You're asking me to measure something. Again, it's the case.

Steve Bannon (117:30)

You just hate making commitments.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (117:32)

That's why I'm not married.

Steve Bannon (117:34)

I'm peeling this onion back alert of time. All your bullshit and happy target can't be measured. Can't be measured like that. Is that to say measure makes? It's a commitment. You don't even like a commitment when.

Jay Dyer (117:41)

You he just say all your bullshit.

Steve Bannon (117:45)

Answer a question. I don't say anything. Golf. Commit to the shot.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (117:48)

I don't know what it means to be measured.

Steve Bannon (117:49)

You do know what it means to be measured. You're one of the leading currency traders, hedge fund guys or stock market financial wizards. You're in the high priesthood of high finance.

Jay Dyer (117:56)

You're in the high priesthood of high finance. Interesting commentary there from Bannon and by the way. No, the fact that he's in finance has absolutely no connection at all with the ability for him to measure things in physics or in philosophy. So it's like so many people think that one being fluid, fluent and proficient in one discourse or one domain makes them experts in everything. It's such a weird phenomenon.

Steve Bannon (118:26)

You certainly know how to measure. That's why you're a billionaire. Any other answer besides that is total and complete bullshit, and you know it.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (118:31)

I know very few things.

Steve Bannon (118:33)

You know things to be measured. You measure every day. You weigh and measure every day. You weigh and measure people. You weigh and measure leaders. You weigh and measure economies. You weigh and measure politics. Hang on your whole life, in fact, is measuring.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (118:45)

So what you've now done is a great thing, is you've used the word measure and a mathematic term in a common vernacular and abused it so I don't even recognize what it means. It's so abusive.

Jay Dyer (118:53)

Oh, damn. He just called out ban him for A word concept fallacy. Damn. Jeff Stein on the rack. He on the right track now. He just went full category error, full grammatical word concept error on Bannon Mike Field.

Steve Bannon (119:11)

Why let's go in mathematics and measure means what specifically?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (119:16)

It's an approximation or giving something a number. If I Einstein, we're not asking you.

Steve Bannon (119:21)

To go to the ninth decimal point.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (119:22)

Oh, we didn't say that before.

Steve Bannon (119:23)

No, you're not going to the 9th.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (119:24)

If I say measure, how tall are you? You'd say okay, six foot. Six feet. Is it six foot one inch, give.

Steve Bannon (119:29)

Or take between five eleven and six feet.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (119:32)

But what's that? But I want. So the question is, I want an accurate Zeno's.

Steve Bannon (119:34)

I got Zeno's paradox.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (119:35)

I don't even know what it means. Measure you.

Jay Dyer (119:36)

Oh my gosh. This is. So now I see why. Now I see why people were calling this all sued. Right? Because I thought we're going to have something interesting with the liveness stuff. It. It wasn't even about Lenit. Like 2 seconds about liveness and then 30 minutes of word concept fallacies and just yapping. Suery. Which participant. Which hunt participant $2. Did you read Francis of the Filth? I don't know what that is. High on Jack. $5. Is Jeff Stein still dead or is he dead or alive? Is it a case of Schrodinger's PDF? We don't know. I mean I've not seen evidence showing necessarily that he's alive, but exfiltration is possible. But also think that makes a lot of sense that you would off somebody who's a middle management fixer.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (120:35)

Am I measuring the top of your hair? The top of your skull? Which and the finer the more you're.

Steve Bannon (120:39)

Getting that's you're being rabbinical.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (120:40)

This is like.

Caller/Listener (120:42)

Based.

Jay Dyer (120:43)

Oh, he called him out Rabbinical Base dude. Ban.

Steve Bannon (120:47)

And so base isn't that what isn't that going through the Torah where you're. You're parsing every, every, every definition you do. You however we broadly define measure your life literally is about measurement, is it not?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (120:58)

It's about putting numbers on things.

Jay Dyer (120:59)

By the way, both suds and actual academics do the same thing. So sometimes this is hard to parse out. Especially if you're a not intelligent person. A non intelligent person can't tell the difference between a sued and an actual scholar academic because both of them will say depends on what you mean.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (121:18)

Well, you know, depends on what you mean.

Jay Dyer (121:21)

What do you mean by soul?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (121:22)

What do you mean by that?

Jay Dyer (121:24)

Well, you know, so both suds and actual scholars will do this. But I think in the case of suds, they do it to be kind of playing games to not actually give you a clear answer as to what.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (121:38)

They'Re referring to so that I can try my best that you can call it whatever you like if that makes you feel better.

Steve Bannon (121:44)

I want to relate back to your scientific inquiry.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (121:46)

No it even a number people don't. A number is a complicated.

Steve Bannon (121:50)

When did you come. When did you come to this in flight? When did you come to this Aha. Moment was when it was in. When it was in your solitary confinement when the biggest financial cr.

Jay Dyer (121:57)

Somebody said this. Nick said this is a practice interview that could be true. That maybe that's why we've only got the first two hours. But supposedly this is like many, many hours. I don't know if that's the case, but didn't ban and do several. But I think this was supposed to like rebrand Epstein as a philanthropist. I think was what some of the emails or something said. Punch made.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (122:22)

What's up?

Jay Dyer (122:32)

Punch made. You want to mute. Okay. Good job. You just waited for nothing, homeboy. Jeff, for $5 it would be interesting to hear Simpstein and JF talk about consciousness and bananas and quantaloops. Well, you know, that's a great parallel because they kind of, well, didn't. Jf. JF Got money from Epstein for some sort of research project. Pierre, $10. David Wood got doxed by Adawa Orbiter and then created a Quran demolition ranch. What does that mean? A Kuran demolition ranch. Love your content. Appreciate that. I don't. What does that mean? Kievan Roost, $2. I did two super chats on Kirol. I read one.

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Jay Dyer (124:07)

This is supposed to be spy music. This is sounding more like dirty movies. This ain't sounding like spy music. Sounds like old dirty. Let's get some spy music. Here we go. Okay. Kievan Reese, $5 about Kirol. The videos out there, they take out of context what he actually said about war between brothers. It's a terrible reality. Oh, okay. Yeah, I figured it was something out of context. We'll have to, I'll have to find like the full clip or whatever. All right, let's finish.

Steve Bannon (124:44)

Jeff Stein, world history was going on in your 7 by 9 jail cell with your metal bed and your two brushes because you were trustee with the brown uniform on. Trustee spelled wrong. Is that the moment of clarity that you had about science and Newtonian physics and everything that we can measure is really not going to be the way we go forward. It's going to be somewhere much more.

Jay Dyer (125:00)

Speaking of Dawa, by the way, I thought it was pretty funny that. Did you guys notice that Jake the Muslim metaphysician made a video saying that Dawa has basically failed? All the Dawa people in their whole thing is like collapsed and it's, it really didn't work. It's funny to see the Muslims owning each other over that. That's cracking me up.

Steve Bannon (125:18)

Esoteric emotional intelligence thing. Was that your moment of clarity?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (125:22)

I wish it was because it would make such a great story for this interview, but it's not. It's the fact that I lead such a privileged life to come across.

Steve Bannon (125:29)

It didn't happen then when did it or did it happen before I was.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (125:31)

Going to hopefully get to the. I'm in a privileged position to have some of the world's smartest people come to my house and tell me what they think about different subjects. And I finally realized that the thing that they had most in common was there was this area. This area, no matter how smart they were, that when I asked them the questions, they said they'd have to resort to a five hundred or a thousand year old response to that question which was, I don't know.

Jay Dyer (125:53)

Oh really? Interesting. I wonder what, I wonder if that commonality between all of these new atheists and new dorks was something else. Jack, $10. Is this a, isn't this a practice interview? Bannon is media training him for a 60 Minutes interview. Oh, I didn't know that. But yeah, if that's the case, that does make a lot of sense because they were talking about like rebranding him or you know, making him him into a philanthropist hood. Olo is $2. The atheist comments under your recent tag video are super arrogant. All they say is that you never stated the argument. Well, that's. They don't understand there's different types of arguments. Everybody thinks that there's only one kind of argument, which is the crackers in the pantry fallacy, which we've covered a hundred thousand times. Over.

Steve Bannon (126:43)

You know who, who else found that out? That's what Socrates kept doing, right? Socrates kept asking all the experts.

Jay Dyer (126:52)

Oh, wow, dude. Jeff Stomach effort is just a philosopher, dude. He's just a philo, bro. He's just like Socrates, man. He's just like asking the deep penetrating questions about reality in life. That's all. That's all he's doing. He's a great dude deep down. Just asking hard questions, man. What's the meaning of life, bro? Where do I put the pee? Pee in the poo poo, bro. That's all he's doing.

Steve Bannon (127:15)

He would go through, you know, question after question after question and realize at the end they didn't really know. They really didn't basically understand what they were talking about.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (127:21)

And one of the things that people won't enjoy. It turns out that potentially one of the bad things to teach children is how to write.

Jay Dyer (127:29)

What? So we got full common core. Jeff Stein is like, go. He's going. I never thought he would go full Obama Common core.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (127:38)

Writing, reading and arithmetic was supposed to be. Everyone's supposed to be taught. But writing forces you into a very narrow channel of thinking. You have to write certain in a certain form, in a certain way, in a certain linear pattern. So your thinking becomes somewhat narrow. The most interesting, the reason I brought up writing is one of the recent discoveries of mind with respect to Socrates, Plato's and Aristotle is they never wrote anything. They spoke. And people around who could write, wrote, Socrates could think.

Steve Bannon (128:00)

So that was Jesus of Nazareth was the same way, right? Never wrote anything.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (128:03)

I thought he was a carpenter.

Steve Bannon (128:04)

He was a carpenter.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (128:05)

Didn't he need like a little carpenters tonight?

Steve Bannon (128:06)

I don't get this, but at least his written record.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (128:09)

One last thing. Thank you for having me to your house. When did that.

Steve Bannon (128:18)

The beginning of that. Was there any one aha moment in all these great thinkers? Did it happen before 2008? Was it after that came up over. I know, many years. But when did you actually realize, hey, something, something new has got to be developed.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (128:28)

Yeah, that's great. Is that because again, I'm privileged enough to have people around me who've given lots of philanthropic gifts to institutions of higher learning. And when I said, oh, wow, that's so sweet.

Jay Dyer (128:39)

Everybody was just so giving and there's so much charity and philanthropy and what better cover for Blofeld level crime villains than international charity, right?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (128:59)

The impact. How do you judge the impact of your giving? And we sat down and said, no, really, new ideas have come out. And I realized that of Course, it hasn't come out because we've been looking at using science and mathematics and it's the wrong tool.

Steve Bannon (129:12)

It's obvious institutions that are set up and try to put forward knowledge and understanding and truth, should they take your money?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (129:22)

Derek Bach at Harvard said, taking money for good causes is a good thing.

Steve Bannon (129:27)

So if Hitler took all the gold out of the teeth of the Jews and said, I want to give this to Heidelberg University to fund the Leibniz chairs so that I can study Heidelberg energy physics, Derek Bock would say that was fine.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (129:38)

Again, it's. These questions are questions where people, good people on both sides, like your Charlottesville, could differ. I don't. I don't know the answer.

Steve Bannon (129:45)

So tell us. Tell us the two. Give us the two answers. The one answer, why it shouldn't be, and then one answer. Derek Bock says, I'll take, essentially take cash from anybody because I got so many projects, so many good guys, and this is the way I'll do it. So I'm indifferent to where the cash comes from. Money's money. And if I got good guys, I'm the fiduciary says, these are good people. This is good research. Okay, I'll take the cash from, however, from any source, including you. What's the other argument?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (130:03)

Let me give you that I know.

Steve Bannon (130:04)

In my case, is your money dirty money?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (130:06)

If you live, just ask a question.

Steve Bannon (130:08)

Is your money dirty money?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (130:08)

No, it's not.

Jay Dyer (130:09)

So in fact, okay, it's not dirty. It's all clean. It's all above board. We're very moral around here. Snail, snaggle bees. Jay, you don't understand. J is filling the gigantic clown sho shoes that Steve is putting in front of him. Peter B. $2 Jew free epstionage until wilds 2 $5 a day. Where did Epstein get his money from? Just the island. Well, if you read Whitney Webb's book, she's got two or three chapters where she puts forth various theories as to where he might have gotten money or been a money manager. But I don't know that anybody knows 100 for sure. It's kind of theorized. Unless somebody has sort of dug through the files and found something explaining exactly what was going on in terms of money management.

Steve Bannon (131:00)

Why is it not dirty money?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (131:02)

Because I earned it.

Steve Bannon (131:03)

But you. You earned it. We went back to this before. You earned it, you earned it advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things and just to make more money.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (131:14)

So if instead of asking me the question, should you take the money because I think it's a legitimate question.

Steve Bannon (131:18)

You think it's a legitimate.

Jay Dyer (131:19)

Oh, when he got pinned. He's about to do a. What about. He's about to do a two quoque.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (131:26)

Yes. In the Washington. Because what I. Because I think about. I think you have. Ethics is always a complicated subject. But I can tell you that with the money I gave to help try to eradicate polio in.

Jay Dyer (131:35)

Okay, so, like Bill Gates, he's a philanthropist. Eugenicist. To help eradicate polio. Mm.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (131:41)

Pakistan and India. Instead of asking me whether that money was. Should be given to these children for vaccines, I think you might want to ask their mothers who. Who received.

Jay Dyer (131:49)

Oh, now, where have we seen this line of argumentation? Oh, Sam Harris. Oh, you want to question atheism. What about that child that's crying right now that was bombed by a terrorist? What about that? What about this emotional appeal? So when asked, what do you think ethically about providing financial services for the worst people in the world?

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Jay Dyer (132:15)

He does a two quoque. Well, how about you tell me about the mothers whose children were saved by. I mean, just. This is so silly.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (132:22)

The vaccine who know their child now won't get polio. And ask them if Epstein should have helped these people.

Jay Dyer (132:28)

Yeah. Immediate virtue signaling, which is a huge red flag.

Steve Bannon (132:32)

If we walked.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (132:33)

If we walked in.

Steve Bannon (132:35)

You're a mathematician. We walked into that clinic where they're giving that money out to these people that are the most dire straits of poverty and in sickness and told them that the money was coming from a. What are you, Class 3 sexual predator?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (132:45)

Tier 1.

Steve Bannon (132:45)

Your Tier 1's the highest and worst?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (132:47)

No, the lowest. I'm the lowest.

Steve Bannon (132:48)

You're the lowest. Okay, Tier one, you're the lowest. But a criminal.

Jay Dyer (132:50)

Yes.

Steve Bannon (132:51)

That the money came from what. What percentage of people do you estimate? I understand you don't like probabilities. Do you estimate? Would say, I don't care. I want the money for my children.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (132:57)

I would say, everyone said, I want the money for my children.

Steve Bannon (132:59)

Did they know where the money came from?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:00)

I think if you told them. The devil. The devil himself. The devil.

Jay Dyer (133:05)

MK me. X5. Did you see the notes from the cell? Speculation. They read like, what is needed to escape and get out? I don't know. I just don't know how much to put into, you know, cellmate testimony and that kind of stuff is very. Kind of suspicious.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:22)

Himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars. Your child's life.

Steve Bannon (133:25)

Do you think you're the devil himself?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:27)

No, but I do have a good.

Steve Bannon (133:28)

Mirror It's a serious question. Do you think you're the devil himself?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:32)

I don't know. Why would you say that?

Steve Bannon (133:33)

Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember the Devil's. The devil's brilliant. You read Milton's Paradise Lost?

Jay Dyer (133:39)

No.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:39)

The devil scares me.

Steve Bannon (133:40)

Satan is. Satan is the. Is the. He is the. He is at the number one or two. Archangel. And the reason he goes to hell and leads the rebellion is because he can't be the top guy. And his thing is. I'd rather. I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (133:53)

I saw that in a movie once called American Dharma. I don't remember who said it. Okay, we have to go.

Jay Dyer (133:58)

Called a what? American what? What did he say? What was the movie? I'm over here trying to get Epstein movie recommendations now. What's up, y' all Saw Epstein's playlist too. When somebody found that like his ipod play, it was a bunch of weird ass music you wouldn't expect. So what was the movie?

Steve Bannon (134:15)

Serious question. Do you think you're the devil himself?

Jeff Stein McEffrey (134:19)

I don't know. Why would you say that?

Steve Bannon (134:21)

Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart. You remember the devil. Somebody knows what the. The devil's brilliant. You read Milton's Paradise Lost?

Jay Dyer (134:29)

No.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (134:30)

The devil scares me.

Steve Bannon (134:32)

Satan is the. Is the. He is the. He is at the number one or two archetypes. And the reason he goes to hell and leads the rebellion is because he can't be the top guy. And his thing is, I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

Jeff Stein McEffrey (134:52)

I saw the. That in a movie once called American Dharma. I don't.

Jay Dyer (134:58)

American Dharma. That's weird. What is that we over here getting Epstein. He's gone full CIS and Ebert over here. We're over. It's. It's Epstein and Ebert over here. Sisle and Epstein. American Dharma. Oh, is this. He was making a dumb joke because that's a Bannon movie. Movie about Bannon. Errol Morris's documentary about Bannon had certain Banones qualities. Okay. Anyway, I thought that was going to be some kind of actually interesting movie, but that doesn't look that interesting. There was another super chat here. What do you estimate his IQ is? I don't know. I would get. I mean, if you're being serious on a Wexler scale, he's probably 120. 125 maybe. I don't know. What do you guys think? All right, we went full on all night. Thank you, guys. Everybody have a good night.