Pt 2 - I WENT ON A HUGE PODCAST...AND THIS HAPPENED...(OPEN CALLS!)

Summary

Jay'sAnalysis with Jay Dyer

Episode: Pt 2 – I WENT ON A HUGE PODCAST…AND THIS HAPPENED…(OPEN CALLS!)

Date: June 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this open-call session, Jay Dyer fields wide-ranging questions from his audience, blending theology, philosophy, geopolitics, and pop culture with characteristic humor and candor. The discussion moves fluidly between deep Orthodox Christian apologetics, intellectual habits, practical advice for aspiring content creators, critique of modern church trends, and entertaining digressions into internet culture and satire. Jay uses the open format to directly engage with listeners’ doubts, curiosities, and personal journeys, making for a lively and engaging episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. On Language, Orthodoxy, and Conversion (01:43–03:24)

• Discussion: The advantage of Orthodox clergy with knowledge of biblical languages (particularly Koine Greek).
• Jay: Praises the growing trend of converts deepening their study, expecting greater linguistic expertise as Orthodoxy grows.
• Notable Thought: “I think more and more people are going to convert. I don’t think we’re going to see a slowing down or stopping of people converting to Orthodoxy.” (02:40)

2. Knowledge Management and Book Reading (03:02–04:29)

• Discussion: Jay shares his method for retaining and referencing information from books.
• Method: No elaborate system—just sticky notes and making summarized notations. Visual recall and simple page association.
• Notable Quote: “There’s no color codes. There’s nothing. It’s all just like... it’s geomancy. It’s augury. I use birds and I do divination through birds.” (04:27)

3. Advice for Orthodox Inquirers & Jurisdiction Concerns (05:31–09:46)

• Caller: Asks about entering Orthodoxy and choosing between jurisdictions.
• Jay: Encourages visiting various parishes and not obsessing over jurisdiction, echoing “you’re baptized into the Orthodox Catholic Church, not a jurisdiction.”
• Guest (presumably a priest): Emphasizes this point, discourages “tribal” thinking about jurisdictions, highlights the administrative nature rather than spiritual essence.
• Notable Quote (Attribution uncertain, around 08:00): “You’re not baptized into a jurisdiction. You’re baptized into the Orthodox Church. Jurisdiction is primarily for administrative and clerical [reasons].”

4. Orthodoxy and Church Subversion, Soft Power, and Book Plans (09:51–17:55)

• Discussion: Jay is asked about writing a book on religious subversion by intelligence agencies, with an accessible, non-academic lens.
• Jay: Expresses interest, but notes the market for such content is niche and financially unviable in book form. Suggests documentaries might have broader reach but laments resource constraints.
• References: Mentions documentaries like Tucker Carlson’s “911 files” as examples of well-produced, accessible media on complex topics.
• Quote: “If I did a really high produced documentary and put it out, the best-case scenario...is maybe 200,000 views, maybe 300, best case scenario. Tucker can get 8 million views.” (17:14)

5. Impact and Value of Jay’s Work (20:39–22:15)

• Caller Testimonial: Expresses gratitude for Jay’s work in exposing various connections and helping “normies” understand deeper realities behind politics and power.
• Jay: Appreciates positive feedback and previews upcoming content on the Rothschilds and Vatican spies. Equates the Rothschilds’ story to “Game of Thrones.”

6. Divine Subjectivity vs. Human Subjectivity in Morality (23:46–28:23)

• Question: Is morality subjective if it’s grounded in God, who is a “subject”?
• Jay: Clarifies distinction—God’s subjectivity is absolute, unchanging, and foundational, unlike the relative, changeable nature of human subjectivity. Accuses critics of equivocation.
• Key Explanation: “God is a divine, so He’s an absolute subject…to say that He’s the basis for ethics as an absolute would therefore mean ethics are not subjective in the sense of human change and flux.” (24:38)
• Elaboration: Secondary guest expands on why only God can be normatively binding, not finite creatures.

7. Critiques of Calvinist/Reformed Theology and Law (29:31–39:10)

• Caller: Asks about Calvinist doctrine (faith alone in Old and New Covenants, uses of the law, free will).
• Jay: Explains Calvinist “three uses of the law” and critiques their approach to free will as rhetorical, not genuine, due to deterministic underpinning.
• Quote: “They’ll tell you all day long, ‘we admit there is free will,’ but ultimately it’s just lip service.” (34:18)
• Recommended Readings: Points to St. Cyril of Alexandria’s “Christological Controversy” and St. Maximus’s “Disputations with Pyrrhus” for Orthodox critiques.

8. Religion as Tool for Power, Espionage, and Statecraft (43:46–49:17)

• Caller: Discusses historical manipulation of religion by the British Crown and Rothschilds.
• Jay: Affirms historical reality of religious soft power and missionary espionage, citing 19th-century British/Chinese tensions.
• Quote: “Many of them in the power structure…don’t believe in religion. For them, it’s a power game. Religions are like tools, chess pieces on the chessboard.” (47:10)
• Modern Relevance: Parallels drawn to state actions against foreign religions seen as soft power threats (e.g., Russia’s bans).

9. Orthodox Stance on Race, Ethnicity, and Demographic Change (40:41–42:53)

• Jay: Distinguishes between ‘race’ and ‘ethnicity’ in Orthodox discourse, warns against idolatry of group identity, and notes limitations on discussing such topics publicly due to platform policies.
• Quote: “Rather than race…I think ethnicity is a better way to understand it.”

10. Practical Advice for Aspiring Content Creators (54:35–62:05)

• Question: What would Jay do differently if starting his infotainment career today?
• Advice:
  • Focus on algorithm-friendly content (well-produced, 10–40 minute videos, engaging thumbnails/titles).
  • Live streams are good for engagement but not for long-term growth.
  • Niche focus accelerates growth, but Jay chose a broad approach to match his varied interests.
  • Success requires sustained, intensive effort and self-awareness of one’s talents.
• Quote: “It takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of energy, you have to do it all the time. And it’s not for everybody.”

11. Orthodox Hermeneutics and Allegorical Interpretation (62:31–66:53)

• Discussion: On Origen, allegory, and how the Church interprets Scripture.
• Jay: Details Orthodox use of the quadriga (literal, anagogical, allegorical, moral senses) and the value/limits of Origen’s approach.

12. Transcendental Meditation, David Lynch, and the Role of Art (70:33–73:45)

• Question: Reconciling appreciation for David Lynch’s work with his promotion of transcendental meditation.
• Jay: Handles art as a cultural product—studies it as literature or religious text, without adopting its metaphysics.

13. Orthodox Ecclesiology: Schisms and Authority (74:12–77:43)

• Caller: Asks about Orthodox handling of schisms without a central arbiter (like the papacy).
• Jay: Explains that history is complex; confessions or centralized authority don’t guarantee unity. Recent examples show actual schisms being healed without a papacy.

14. Authenticity vs. “Performative Piety” in Christianity (77:43–79:05)

• Discussion: Contrasts Orthodox interior spiritual life with performative evangelical piety.
• Jay: Critiques “public piety” as performative and ultimately off-putting: “It’s the disease of evangelicalism that makes people think that’s what religion is—all this performative stuff.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jay on Retaining Knowledge: “A lot of people think… you must have some really elaborate [system]… There’s no color codes. It’s geomancy…divination through birds.” (04:29)
• Jay on Books: “If bitcoin goes to the moon and we can retire in a few years, then I’ll be free to do what I want. But for now, books take a lot of time and energy and they don’t make a lot of money.” (10:49)
• Jay on Performing in Religious Life: “The rest of the world sees through that [performative piety]… You’re just huffing your own farts, getting off on yourself, and everybody else just finds it distasteful because it is.” (79:05)
• Caller’s Testimony: “You are doing the Lord’s work. You’re opening eyes of people who think politics is still real…” (21:00)
• Jay on Jesus as “Absolute Subject”: “God is a divine, so He’s an absolute subject… it does not make the truth of 2 + 2 = 4… a purely subjective or relative proposition.” (27:09)
• Jay on the Manipulation of Religion: “Missionaries have been used as spies forever… For them [state actors], it’s a power game. Religions are like chess pieces.” (47:10)
• Jay’s Humor: On Jerry Springer clips, modeling cults, and tongue-in-cheek references to being a “male model on Nantucket” and manifesting success.

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Important Timestamps

• 01:43 – Orthodox knowledge of Greek as an advantage
• 03:24 – Jay’s book note-taking method
• 05:31 – Advice on Orthodox parishes/jurisdictions
• 09:51 – Book/documentary plans on church subversion
• 20:39 – Caller thanks Jay (“opening eyes”)
• 23:58 – Divine subjectivity & ethics
• 29:31 – Calvinist “three uses of the law”
• 43:46 – Religion & statecraft, British church manipulation
• 54:35 – Advice for YouTubers/content creators
• 62:31 – The quadriga: Patristic hermeneutics
• 70:33 – David Lynch, meditation, art vs. metaphysics
• 74:12 – Orthodox schisms and authority
• 77:43 – “Performative piety” vs. Orthodox authenticity

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Tone and Style

Jay Dyer’s delivery is both scholarly and irreverent, marked by sharp wit, accessible explanations of dense concepts, and a willingness to laugh at himself and the absurdities of modern culture. The episode blends weighty theological and historical discourse with playful satire—a hallmark of Jay’s unique infotainment approach.

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Note: All ad breaks and unrelated commercial content were omitted to maintain focus on substantive discussion.

Transcript

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[Caller/Viewer]

Be Orthodox to have a working knowledge of various languages within the biblical context. That could be an advantage over the evangelicals where you have, you, you can claim to read the, or at least understand.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

The scriptures in historical.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Well, I noticed that a lot of, you know, Greek priests or priests that know and speak New Testament coin a Greek. They're actually pretty good at that. And they, they bring it up quite a bit. And we do have some people, you know, Father Stephen DeYoung is, is capable in that regard. But yeah, I think, I think that'll come in time. I mean, I think more and more people are going to convert. I don't think we're going to see a, you know, slowing down or stopping of people converting to Orthodoxy. So I would expect that will also bring, you know, more and more people who have the gift of tongues, which is not gibberish. It's actually languages. So. Hugo, what's up? Great questions. You a boss? What's up, dog?

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey, you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

So I admire, I admire your knowledge on a lot of topics, and you

[Caller/Viewer]

attribute a lot of it to books. I watch your video on books. Books you should read. You talk about how we should be reading books often, and sometimes in debates or, you know, in your streams, you'll pull one and I'll see tabs or I'll see just some sort of a system down. And I was just wondering, do you recommend any systems to help with like, retaining knowledge or referencing?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I get asked this question a lot and appreciate the question. And actually, honestly, there's not one. Basically all I do is buy sticky notes. And when I read a book, if there's something substantial on that page, I just re. I just restate and summarize in the sticky note what it is. I'm also very visual, so I. I tend to want to have a tactile interaction through underlining and writing notes. So, you know, it kind of depends on the type of person that you are. Some people are more auditory, maybe they don't. But I tend to remember pages very well and, oh, that's, you know, I remember the way the page looked, you know, in about the middle of that book. So I just simply summarize on the note, on the sticky note, what's relevant. There's no color system. There's no any. That's all there is to it. That's it. I think it's funny because a lot, A lot of people think. Not saying you thought this, but I always think you must have some, like, really elaborate. No, there's not. There's no color codes. There's nothing. It's all just like.

[Caller/Viewer]

It's geomancy.

[Jay Dyer]

It's. It's all geomancy. It's augury. I use birds and I, I do. Divination through birds. Yeah. By the way, there's a bunch of. Man, if you don't know, there's like all of these different ones.

[Caller/Viewer]

There's.

[Jay Dyer]

They, they're really funny terms too. Like, I like augury a lot, but there's geomancy and there's aymancy, the study of birds. Divination through birds.

[Caller/Viewer]

Divination through birds. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Project. What's on your mind, man? By the way, guys, the topics are anything you guys want, within reason. So it's pretty open for them. I thought maybe I would do a more serious lecture, but I think we're having a little more fun just having opening chat tonight. So I did just get back from pretty hectic several days of travel, so I am kind of tired. But project. What's up? What's going on?

[Caller/Viewer]

Jay, can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, sir. What's on your mind? Hey, man, I've been sort of.

[Caller/Viewer]

God's been putting on my heart for

[Jay Dyer]

a long time about heading into Orthodoxy.

[Caller/Viewer]

Actually started when I was at seminary. It kind of blew my mind.

[Jay Dyer]

My missiology professor had us look at the two places on planet Earth where

[Caller/Viewer]

Christianity was growing the most.

[Jay Dyer]

He told us that it was Pentecostalism in Africa.

[Caller/Viewer]

And the next one blew my mind. I had no idea, but it was Russia. And so I started kind of casually looking into it.

[Jay Dyer]

This was years ago.

[Caller/Viewer]

And, you know, I'm.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm looking at it from afar. Watch your stuff.

[Caller/Viewer]

I guess the question is, is there a, like, a part.

[Jay Dyer]

Is there a better place here in America, the Orthodox Church of America? Is there a better, like, there's Greek Orthodox, there's Russian Orthodox.

[Caller/Viewer]

Where would you recommend?

[Jay Dyer]

In what direction I should go towards. I wouldn't worry too much about the jurisdictions. If you're coming into the church, if you're new to it, you're checking it out. What I would do is visit all the ones near you, and you will be able, I think, to sense, like, which place is the best for you. I mean, obviously, if you, like, you know, you get to some place that unfortunately has like a super liberal priest or something, I would avoid that. But, you know, most likely you'll find something that's workable, but it really depends on where you are. You know, if you're in a huge place, you're in New York and you've got 20 Orthodox churches. That's. That's big difference from people that are in the middle of nowhere, like me, with only a couple options or no options. So I would try them all out and see which one was the best. Don't worry too much initially about the jurisdictions. It's like Father Deacon also says, like, everybody thinks like, oh, I'm Russian Orthodox, like, we're not baptized into a jurisdiction. You're baptized into the Orthodox Catholic Church. So remember to think of it that way. It's a good piece of advice that FDA has. I assume you still agree with that fda,

[Caller/Viewer]

Are you there? Published my recantations of would.

[Jay Dyer]

Do you. Could you speak to that? Like, why do you see that as an issue? Because maybe a lot of people don't even realize that that might be a problem.

[Caller/Viewer]

Sorry, just remind me again. Sorry.

[Jay Dyer]

Like, when people say, as you said the other day, like, oh, I was baptized into Rokor, like, why is it

[Caller/Viewer]

you're not jurisdictional Drives me crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

So you're not baptized into a jurisdiction. You're baptizing the Orthodox Church. Inevitably, the parish that you go to and are baptized in is under a jurisdiction. But jurisdiction is primarily for administrative and clerical. And so it drives me crazy when people are like, oh, I'm Antiochian. I go to anti. It's like, no, you're not. You're not wearing the cuffs. I wear cuffs. The priests wear cloths where we're cuffed to the altar of a particular parish because we're part of that administration. So we need releases. We have to get permissions to serve in other dices and stuff, parishes and other dioceses. But clergy are free. And that's really a healthy mentality, too.

[Jay Dyer]

You mean laity or.

[Caller/Viewer]

Sorry, yes, excuse me, lady. Or free. And that's a healthy mentality. Now you have an individual parish, and that's your family as long as you're living there. And. And you're committed to that in terms of priority. So you're not going to another parish every weekend or something like that. But you're not wedded or coughed to a jurisdiction. You're not baptized into a jurisdiction. And so it's just. I think it's kind of divisive. I think in. Especially in the United States, I don't think it's healthy for people now. It's. I think it's something kind of natural that people want to do that. Like, oh, I'm this. I want to categorize myself. It's like, you're not. You're Orthodox. Yeah. Just administratively and practically. You go to a parish that's administratively under a jurisdiction.

[Jay Dyer]

Great points. Into the furnace.

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey, what's up, buddy? Hope you're doing good. I hope you get some good rest after the travel. Got a couple quick things. One, actually have an interesting question I kind of been curious to pick your brain about. So with the geopolitical stuff and kind of the subversion with the Vatican and evangelicals, have you ever considered maybe you are. But have you considered writing a book kind of in a similar fashion of maybe esoteric Hollywood that kind of goes through kind of all the different books that you've read on the subject, but in a maybe more entertaining way for people to kind of get the baseline idea of what it is? So instead of the academic realm of. Of the. Of the issues with, you know, the CIA and the KGB and all this other stuff, have you thought about maybe writing something that kind of encapsulates it all together?

[Jay Dyer]

I have a lot. But the problem is that nobody will read that. So, you know, but it's, it's unfortunate because I enjoy writing books. It's, it's a very rewarding process to produce a book. And the problem is in part that books take a lot of time and energy and they don't make a lot of money. So if you, you know, I'm not, fortunately, I'm not independently wealthy, so I don't have the ability to just sort of now if, if you know, bitcoin goes to the moon and you know, we can quote, retire in a few years, then I'll be free to do what I want. I won't be sort of having to, you know, do things that focus on making money. But I would love to. You know, we're just not in the era where you can like survive by writing books. You know what I mean? Like, if you could do that in the 90s and you had an agent and all that, like you could, you could maybe pull that off. But we're not in that world anymore. So, you know, unless you're Stephen King or whoever, boomer, you know, romance person that has the books ghost written or whatever, like, it's just really hard to do that if you do your own books. And I've done it both ways. I've done three published books, then I've done a couple self published. And I mean it, it can be a nice little side income, but they don't make money. So it's just. And if, and if it's a subject matter that's kind of niche like that, nobody will read that. So it would basically be a whole lot of work and little payoff.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, I just think like, I think it could be in a matter of approach and the way it goes about it, because I think it's, it's a subject that is intuitively and just instinctually interesting. I just think that a lot of the communication of it has been kind of like dry and academic and kind of meandering.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, yeah, but I don't even. No, I don't. I understand. I don't know how you would write that subject matter that wasn't.

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[Caller/Viewer]

Edu.

[Jay Dyer]

Going to be kind of dry and historical and academic. I mean, it's by its nature, it's kind of a. It's kind of like doing history. And I mean, history books are. Unless your history book is in Amazon, I mean, in Barnes and Noble or something like, it's just. You're not going to make any money doing it so.

[Caller/Viewer]

Well, you could. I mean, you could even do kind of in a quick shift. You could do like a pretty interesting documentary. I know people eat that stuff up all day long, especially if it's produced in a good way. Yeah. I was just curious and let me ask you this. Like, if you, if you did write a book, like, what would be the approach? Like, what would be sort of your thesis or what would be your. All right, got it. Since I'm Jay's publisher on Handler, people are so dumb that Jay actually has to do like color by number books now and like connect dots.

[Jay Dyer]

I will write the whole book in crayon. So it'll have giant text and it'll be like giant crayon text so that people could follow it. And it has all. It's all pictures too. So.

[Caller/Viewer]

No, here's another one. Two scratch and sniff tap tag books.

[Jay Dyer]

Like, you don't get it.

[Caller/Viewer]

Just smell it.

[Jay Dyer]

Right. You're right, though, that maybe a well produced sort of documentary thing could work. But the other thing is too, is like, even for a documentary. Okay, like, so Tucker and I just watched this the other day. The whole. All five episodes of his 911 files, which this was a really well done documentary on issues and questions about the Big Nine event. If you guys haven't seen it, I didn't really enjoy this. It's kind of like, it's not. I mean, it's a little bit like Loose Change or something like that, but it's a little more like, let's focus on the big questions. So whereas, you know, Fabled Enemies by Burmas or Loose Change by Burmas or, you know, Alex's Big nine documentaries, like, they're not bad, but they'll kind of go into areas that are perhaps a little more speculative, which. No, no, I have no problem with that. But I think what Tucker wanted to do was push the button on the, the biggest huge problem issues with the official Big nine story. So for example when he did that, the first one got nine months ago almost 8 million views on YouTube, which, that's huge. The subsequent ones didn't get that much. I mean that's to be expected though because most of the time with YouTube stuff if you do these sort of episodic installments, that's usually what happens. Like there's a massive drop off between the first one and the second, the third one.

[Caller/Viewer]

So

[Jay Dyer]

this one I think was a really good example of what you're talking about that could be done. I just still think unfortunately that the whole issue of understanding the potentiality of religion as soft power and that kind of stuff is still just super niche. Because for example, as I was telling you guys the other night, I mean I've almost got all the books on Vatican espionage that, that are available now. There could be some unknown text that you know, some like this one for example, this was a French guy's book that's, that's translated. I've got another, you know, espionage book that's a French guys analysis, recently translated. So there could be many more books but when it comes to Vatican espionage English books, I, I think I have almost all of them. It's, and it's not that many. There's only about 10. Okay. So some of these subjects that you guys hear me, hear us talk about, they're still very niche subjects and they're, they're subjects that only have you know, 10 English published books on. So I think it's possible to do a high produced documentary style thing. You know, something like the way the Tucker did the 911 questions is good but I also don't have the time and the money and the, you know, means that Tucker has to do this kind of thing and Tucker has a team. Tucker's got producers, multiple producers. This is me and Jamie, dude. So yeah, you guys want to.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, how about this? Send your bitcoin right here. Here's the bitcoin address. And feel free to fund the documentaries of the future. That'd be fun. People are saying hey Jay, you should start a Prestia says do a geopolitics GoFundMe project. Well I appreciate the sentiment but that's just not going to make that much money. I'm not trying to be rude or I just don't think that, I mean you're going to reach a lot more people through Going on large podcasts and doing a two hour talk like that, then you will trying to on your own, put out. I mean, if I did a really high produced documentary and put it out, the best case scenario that I could get through all of my social media outlets is maybe, maybe 200,000 views, maybe 300, best case scenario. So that's, that's not going to make any money. It's not going to, it's not going to do much. So, you know, Tucker's got a huge platform, so if he does 911 question, he can get 8 million views just on YouTube. So if the channel grows, if we, if we are more successful, you know, in these regards. Yeah, I'd love to do that kind of stuff. That would be, that would be great. But yeah, great ideas, definitely. Things to keep in, you know, on the back burner for sure. Tempe, what's up, man? I mean, just take for example the Kat Von D podcast, you know, that got so far that's had between, I'd say YouTube and X, maybe counting clips, maybe 150,000 views total. I put a lot of money into that. So I spent several thousand dollars to make that podcast happen. And I think it's great. It turned out great. I didn't make money on it, but it's okay because it was something I really wanted to do. I wanted to put together a really quality interview. And so I'm willing to sometimes lose money on certain projects even if it doesn't get as much traction or make as much. But that was more of an investment and something that I wanted to do. So you know that if you have the means, you can do more of that kind of stuff. But if you're still sort of having to work, then, you know, you're not as free to do a lot of the projects that you would prefer to do. But definitely great ideas for perhaps down the road in the future. Tempe, what's up, man? I'm you.

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey, brother. How you doing, man?

[Jay Dyer]

Good.

[Caller/Viewer]

I just want to just give you a big thanks, man. Like, I'm a normie, bro. I started writing a book, you know, based on recommendations. And because of him, it led me to you. And because of that, it led me to Mat Error. And because of that it led me to Courtney Turner. And it's just painting like a picture that's extremely clear and easy to see. And I think your breakdown on the Fabian Society and the Milner conspiracy was like connected. Every single thought there is to connect on the planet, you know, So I Just want to say a big thank you, man, like from, from all the normies out there. Like, you are doing the Lord's work. You're opening eyes of, of people who think politics is still real and all that. So I just, from the bottom of my heart, man, I just want to say thank you so much for, for pointing me in the right direction and, and helping me put all this together, man. I just, I just want to say

[Jay Dyer]

I appreciate that, Tempio. It's nice to hear the positive side of it because you, you know, obviously you do this kind of stuff, you do get a lot of, not a lot of negative feedback, but so it's like, it's nice to hear the positive ones. And I think you guys are going to be really fascinated too when we get into this Rothschild's biography, because it was. It's so telling. It's so. I mean, it just reads like, it reads like Game of Thrones or something, right? It's like a, you know, next level sort of thriller. But it's an actual. I thought the book was gonna be boring, but it was actually really exciting. Kelly, what's up? So we got some bangers coming up. We got Vatican spies, we got the Rothchilds, both of them. I've almost read most of both of them, so they're both going to be fun. Kelly, what's up? You want to.

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[Caller/Viewer]

Yo, what's up, Jay? Hey, just had a quick question, man. So I was watching the Piers Morgan, that episode that you had with Andrew. And one, One thing that caught my

[Jay Dyer]

attention was you talking about that the atheist. The gist.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah. One thing that caught my attention was when you were. It was the back and forth with. I believe one of them said that if God is making like the morality, that it's no different than if I forgot the guy's name. But if he was making it like the objective.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, he was saying that if God is a subject, then, then, then ethics are subjective, which is just us.

[Caller/Viewer]

Like that was a good point because I'm still learning, I'm still trying to like understand all of that, so. And you never got the. Really rebuttal?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, well, the difference is that God is a divine, so he's an absolute subject. And we are human created, finite subjects. So it's a category error in philosophy to think that because the same word is used that the same sense of the human domain, of subjectivism would therefore make the divine basis for morality, quote, subjective. So yeah, from God's vantage point, it's subjective, but he's the absolute subject. He's a divine person. Thus it's not the same thing as relativism. Because human. When we say that human ethics are subjective or relative, that means they're on a whim, they're arbitrary, they're subject to change. But if God is unchanging, then to say that he's the basis for ethics as an absolute would therefore mean the ethics are not subjective in the sense of human change and flux. So it's equivocating on the word subjective or subject.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, so is what makes morality objective is that it's grounded in a never changing being? Is that.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes.

[Caller/Viewer]

Category error that they were making?

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, they were saying that because God's a subject that makes the ethics subjective and thus flippant and changeable, like it would be if it was a human subject.

[Caller/Viewer]

I see, I see. But it is part of the problem, by the way. As Jay pointed out, it's just equivocating on words. It doesn't make it subjective because it's the word subject.

[Jay Dyer]

Right, right.

[Caller/Viewer]

But because human subjects in the position that they're in. Right. Being finite.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Not having created the world and stuff like that. Couldn't be. I mean, here's where normativity comes in. Couldn't epistemically bind other people. Why? Because they're right there. They're not above and beyond the world which they created. So there's a reason why we talk about what's subjective. That the individual is the. The standard for truth, and there's nothing that's binding upon other individuals. Why? Because they're a subject? No, because the type of subject that they are in the world. So because God is a subject, but he's not the type of subject that we are in the world would be normatively binding in terms of epistemics. So they're just. They're. First of all, they're. They don't know what they're talking about, but they're equivocating on words.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's exactly right. Even in the human domain. Just because it's a human subject that is saying something or experiencing something, doing something that doesn't. It doesn't follow from that that therefore it is subjective in an absolute sense. Like it's all relative. I mean, you could say, for example, that I subjectively learned that two plus two is four. I believe that as a human subject. But it doesn't make the truth of 2 +2 equals 4 a sub. A purely subjective or relative proposition.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. But it is correct to say that God is like. I can say that God is a subject because that's where I was kind of like.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure, yeah. God is. Is a divine subject. Yes.

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[Caller/Viewer]

You know, put it this way. He's a subject that objectively stands above the world and binds.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, so that's one way to solve it. Okay, so that's the. The category.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. So I was saying he's an absolute subject.

[Caller/Viewer]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

In the sense of, like the terminology of philosophy for absolute versus.

[Caller/Viewer]

You know, that's a great way to put it. An absolute subject versus relative.

[Jay Dyer]

I want to say that I think Stan Eloy even uses that. That ideology when he's arguing. He argues this kind of a point. Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. Thank you for that clarification, because that's something I was literally like.

[Jay Dyer]

No, that's a great question. And I remember now that you said that I didn't get to actually explain that because we, you know, that show is like, geared towards like two minutes of fast back and forth, and then it's a new, new topic. So, yeah, we didn't really get to go into that. But great question. Kevin, what's up, man? Kevin, you there? You want to unmute? Kevin? Hey, can barely hear you. What's up?

[Caller/Viewer]

Can you hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller/Viewer]

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[Jay Dyer]

At the same time, that's a skill set that's innate to me. Biologically. It's not something that I could ever even teach you unless you send me one Bitcoin. Then I'll definitely teach it to you. So the Ruslan, you can clip that. You can expose me. Keenan, what's up? Keenan and Kel, what's up? Good Burger, what's up?

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey, can you hear me? Hey, man, thanks for taking the call. Is Reformed theology okay tonight? Sure, yeah, yeah. I've been orthodox for a couple years now, largely thanks to a lot of your work, so I appreciate that, man. I have an older brother who's been firmly OPC, Orthodox Presbyterian for probably 15 years now. We grew up evangelical, but he's been OPC. But he's been having more and more like, issues with kind of the on the ground opc, not necessarily their dogmatics, but just kind of how things are functioning. Their churches, they're kind of slowly moving towards liberalism a little bit. I, I, I never was reformed. I kind of was evangelical until I was orthodox. So I've been kind of, you know, like, reading through the OPC's, you know, statements of faith and their thing. Something I saw that I was just surprised by is they say that faith alone has always been the vehicle of salvation, both in the Old and New Covenant. I've never heard that claim. Is that, was that the, the stance of the reformers? And, like, how do they kind of justify.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, yeah, no, that's definitely, that's 100% a Calvinist theological teaching. And usually they would argue this from Galatians that, you know, Paul says the Gospel is preached in the Old Testament. I mean, it's still true. We would, as orthodox, say the gospel was preached in the Old Testament. We just don't think that it was the sola fide gospel that was preached in the Old Testament. But that's where they would get that.

[Caller/Viewer]

How do they, I guess, rationalize that with, like, what is the entire purpose of the law? Is it like, literally just to point out sin? Like that's the only purpose of all of.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I mean, I think in, in the Reformation Confessions, I mean, I'm going from memory of Westminster Confession and then, you know, Bonson and people like that. There were OPC that would explain it. They would say stuff like from Paul's epistles, we can, we can find like the, the law has three purposes. I'm going, just going from memory, like, because I know in some places Paul will say, you know, like in Romans, and to Timothy, he'll say stuff like the law was there to, you know, increase transgression so that grace might come. It points out transgression. It the. What's the phrase in Timothy? The law exists not for the righteous man, but for the wicked, for the state, even. So some Calvinists might even say that the law exists for the state to punish the evildoers. So I'm just going. It's been a long time since I thought about this, but there's some like three tier classification. I want to say that they'll say that the, the law has these three purposes in Paul. But ultimately, whether it's the ceremonial law or whether it's the moral law, all of those things really just convict us of sin so that we turn to grace as the thing that saves us.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, thanks, I appreciate that. One more question, if you don't mind. I. There's been, you know, like I said, because nothing's binding, I find that Protestants will tend to kind of waffle back and forth on this one has been. And I even like redeemed Zoomer has kind of gone back like, oh, like, you know, Calvinists, reformed believe in free will. Now it's obviously not. They don't. When they say that they mean something different than evangelicals.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean I typically just. I mean basically they just are kind of giving lip service to the fact that we make decisions and we do make choices. But they also will say, but your choices are also under the divine decree, so you're making a choice. But God's also directly determined your choice.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, so there's not really any way they try to justify that. It's more of just lip service to like a rhetorical.

[Jay Dyer]

By the way, by the way, by the way, hold your thought here because I was right. I did, I did remember correctly. And this is just pulling from like R.C. sproul's website. According to Reformed Theology, there's three uses of the law. There's a pedagogical use because Paul says the law was our tutor to lead us to Christ. So the Old Testament law, the moral law, ceremonial law, they are a teaching guide to point us to something beyond law. There's the civil political use that it's a restraint against evil. So law exists, biblical law, moral law, civil law exists to Restrain evil. And then there's the normative use of the law as like, moral theological guide to morals and binding your conscience. So those are the three uses of the law. And classic reform theology. Anyway, I was correct. So go back to your. What was your last question there about. Forget what it was.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, no, I was just. I. I've never. It's always seemed like the homage they give to free will is mostly rhetorical and not actually something that, like. Yeah, I think that they actually stand upon. It's just. It sounds.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, they'll. They'll tell you all day long. Right? They'll tell you all day long. No, we admit there is free will, but then ultimately it's just lip service.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, all right. That. That helps.

[Jay Dyer]

I appreciate it. And the way to show that it's lip service is to say, okay, but do you believe that God is the direct cause of every event in the divine decree? And they'll be like, yeah, okay, well, then. Then you're just giving it lip service. So that's why it's important to talk about secondary causes. Because if we say with St. John Damascus that God is the direct cause of the world, but he also created a world where there's real secondary causes, which he providentially knows all the secondary call, you know, by his foreknowledge, he knows all secondary causes, but it doesn't follow that he's the direct cause of also the secondary causes because that would remove their actual causative power and thus free will.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. Yeah, I. I feel like I was. I was talking about this someone the other day, but, like, I feel like a lot of these Protestant, like the terminologies that they use kind of break down because they're like half and half using Greek philosophical terms, but then kind of redefine them for their own absolutely Catholic theological.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, well, they did the same thing with the biblical terms, the New Testament, where they read into it all the Reformation theology. Well, Paul clearly meant, you know, post Enlightenment Reformation theology. Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. Do you. Is there any, like, good sources that I don't know, just at least specifically? I mean, I've watched a few of your videos and stuff on. On specifically, but just any articles or anything that, like, specifically anti Reformed doctrines that you would point me to from an orthodox perspective.

[Jay Dyer]

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[Jay Dyer]

long podcasts on Tulip and Calvinist theology. I did one long podcast with Dr. David Patrick Harry critiquing reform theology. I did two podcasts with Sam Shamoon that are good that are on my clips channel called J Daughter Live Streams and Absurdities is the channel. There's two two hour talks on there that are good. I did a talk with the orthodox channel Transfigured Life where we compacted all of that into one hour critiquing Calvinism. So there's quite a few in the archives. But yeah, there's a lot of articles that I wrote over the years too, kind of critiquing Christology from the Calvinist perspective.

[Caller/Viewer]

And yeah, I remember you had a two or three hour video on their Christology issues which I thought was really good and then realized that almost no one in my life even goes that deep into Christology. And man, I wish I could figure out a way to actually get people

[Jay Dyer]

to yeah, it's a challenge. I mean, I know, I know it's a challenge. I mean I think if you want books wise some of the key books that really helped out was St. Cyril of Alexander, the Christological controversy that helped cure a lot of my Latin assumptions. Even when I was Roman Catholic, I still had some of these sort of Nestorian holdovers that I didn't even realize. So the McGuckin book on St. Cyril of Alexander, the Christological controversy is really good. St. Maximus's little book called Disputations with Pyrrhus. That's really, really good for refuting Calvinism as well. Because the monothelites that he's debating, they end up being mono energists and Calvinists are mono energists. So.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, so monoism, mono. I can't say that word. Mono eulogism does show up prior to the Reformation.

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely. It's the entire debate of the sixth Council.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. All right.

[Jay Dyer]

Now that's mono energism in Christology. But that same principle of mono energism is mono energism in Christology also is applicable to our soteriology and to the soteriology that he's debating with the monothelites and the mono energists. Gary, what's up? Great questions by the way. Gary. Gary, you want to unmute? Gary, Last chance. All right. Self fulfilling prophecy. Self fulfilling prophecy. You want to unmute?

[Caller/Viewer]

Yes. Hey, how are you doing this afternoon? Good.

[Jay Dyer]

What's on you?

[Caller/Viewer]

I don't know what time it is for you.

[Jay Dyer]

It's not here.

[Caller/Viewer]

So I've been, I've actually talked to you a few different times. You may or may not remember me, but I just wanted to ask you a few questions. If you have a, just a quick say, it might be a little long drawing out, that's cool with you? Okay, cool. So I've been trying to make. I've been going through different spaces and trying to explore a few different ideas and I just wanted to come out and say that I definitely do not agree with the ones I'm going to bring up to you, but I want to understand your philosophy and your, how you do things because I feel like you're on the same page, the right page anyway. So I just want to run it by you, like kind of like a steel man type thing.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Caller/Viewer]

My biggest worry for me, and I'm in California, so I'm in Los Angeles anyway, is kind of the anti white stuff that's going on. And I just want to understand like how my, how I think about it versus how the, the church may see it or how you may see it. I guess it, it feels like I'm supposed to not care and I just want to understand why, why it is that that is maybe the church's philosophy.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know what I mean, that's gonna, that's probably gonna depend on which person that you're talking to within the church because there have been many periods in the church when people were kind of Forced into not talking about certain things or for example, like we were talking about earlier with the Ottomans. The Ottomans forced people under their subjection in the orthodox countries into ethnarchies, which were also, in a way, ethnically based. So that's going to kind of depend upon the people and the time and who you're talking to. But I am on YouTube as well, so this is a topic that you kind of can't really do on YouTube. So is there a way that we could talk. Is there a topic that you like to talk about that's not going to be flagged on you?

[Caller/Viewer]

Thank you for telling me that. I didn't realize that when I'm to, to make it a little more PG friendly, I understand that race is more of a, you know, we don't want to create idolatry. Right. Towards race.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I would say rather than race, which I'm not saying there's no such thing as that classification. I think ethnicity is a better way to understand it because everybody immediately understands their ethnos. And then race is a little more broad or generic and more of a broader classification of some of those ethnicities. But. Go ahead.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, so, like, the, the, the trouble I'm having is balancing the, the Christian world view of, you know, ethnicity. You know, we're, you know, to put in, I guess, terms that are pg, like the Browning of everybody, right. Where it's just, it's fine that everybody just mixes, which I don't necessarily have a problem with. It's just. And I think you, you agree with this, that, like, using groups of people as, like, weapons against other groups of people, like, just flooding the nation with whoever. I'm sure you don't agree with that necessarily.

[Jay Dyer]

It's a form of demographic warfare.

[Caller/Viewer]

Right. So, yeah, I believe you've talked about that before. So I'm glad, you know, we agree on that. What I'm trying to balance right now is like, so I've gone to spaces and I've talked to people that are absolutely insane. They're like, the 1488 guys are like, oh, you know, you know, Christ was a Jew.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, again, like, what. We'll have to have a conversation like this when we're not on YouTube, when we're maybe on X, because I do spaces that are not on YouTube. But that's. You can't talk about that on YouTube. So call in next time. Robert, what's up? That's like one of the few things that you, you know, still part of the terms of service, like, they're Just. You can't talk about that as far as I'm aware. Robert, what's up? Robert, you want to unmute?

[Caller/Viewer]

Morning Jay. How are you? Good.

[Jay Dyer]

What's in your mind?

[Caller/Viewer]

It's a crack of dawn here in the uk. My question to you. I've been following you for a couple of years and you have a good knowledge of the religion in that sense, in the various forms. How can I put it? You seem to have my. An opinion of mine. Would you say that the likes of the Crown and the Rothschilds have used religion to manipulate America and Americans?

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely. I don't think there's any question about it.

[Caller/Viewer]

Through the various. Through the Methodists, the Evangelicals.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I think from the vantage point of the state. From the vantage point of the state, whether it's the American government or whether it's the uk, the British Crown, I think they would like to use any and all outlets including religion. Absolutely.

[Caller/Viewer]

My, my personal opinion is that they have. They can't. They know they can't control every aspect so they have think tentacles in all.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Caller/Viewer]

To manipulate.

[Jay Dyer]

I do believe that.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah. I found. I. I was looking at something a while back to do with the word homo genus and the transgender transhumanism movement and I came across an old. How can you say. Book from the history of the English state. You know how every, every state likes to keep records from the Romans and the Greeks and such and in the book like it gave a listing of every. In one particular year it gave a listing of every person who was in under the Crown, whether they were working in the shipyard or whether they were working in the British army, listing officers and such. Right. But it also gave reference to the religious side of things. And I then followed a link to another book or a name of another book which I looked up and it was showing how the. The British, you. The British church used to manipulate the slaves in the West Indies and in the Carolinas and the southern part of America. Interesting in that respect how they used the priest class were used to manipulate people.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. In fact I think that is true. We should be honest about that, that missionaries have been used as spies forever. I have some books on not just like books critiquing the opium trade and all that, but even back in the 1800s, late 1800s, I have like old parliament sessions and whatnot where Chinese were complaining that they believed that the British were sending missionaries not just to bring Christianity but also to bring to. To push opium and as well as spying. So could be exaggerated but also could definitely have have happened because, you know, I'm not pro China or pro atheist China. But again, one of the reasons that they don't like allowing Western religions in is not just because of the atheist governments. Also they have the stance, which is true, that those are used for espionage and for soft power. So it's a very complex situation. And history is complex. It doesn't mean everybody who's a missionary is bad or spy. It just means that that's a reality. That's part of it. So, yeah, I think you're absolutely spot on with. That's how the power structure. That's how they see it. Many of them in the power structure, they don't. They're cynical, they don't believe in religion. For them, it's a power game. So the religions are like tools, you know, chess pieces on the chessboard. Right. Was Brzezinski's book Grand Chessboard. So I think you're spot on with that and that when we understand that, we can begin to understand why. Oh, okay. Well, that's why Russia bans the chose witnesses and bans these other groups. Scientology is because they're aware that Western intelligence can use those for many different things. Same reason why, you know, America would at various times ban other groups from coming in and doing certain activities. And the reality is that this is just statecraft and this is history. This is, you know, if you go study history and get a history degree, you're going to read about warfare and spies, and that's just how the world works. But, yeah, exactly. That dude sounded like Arthur off a Shelby. Off a Shelby at a pe Br. I had a cool voice. I like that. Jo. Joyao. Victor. Joya. Victor. What's up, dude?

[Caller/Viewer]

All right.

[Jay Dyer]

He's having a hard time connecting. Nathan, what's up? Yeah, by the way, a great point about Mike Benz. Yeah. Mike Benz's whole stock. He spent a lot of time talking about USAID the last couple years or ever since the whole, you know, Doge shut down USAID funding. And lo and behold, it turns out, like just massive funding of all kinds of crazy, including religious soft power type stuff. All right, Nathan. Last chance. Nathan.

[Caller/Viewer]

All right,

[Jay Dyer]

Mr. Donald. Hello, Donald. Probably Donald Trump. Probably the best color we've ever had. Probably not. Xavier. Xavier Lasagna. What's up, dude?

[Caller/Viewer]

Hello.

[Jay Dyer]

Hey.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. I have a few questions I want to ask you. You hear me?

[Jay Dyer]

Yep.

[Caller/Viewer]

Go ahead. Okay. Can I ask you a skittles question?

[Jay Dyer]

Am I gay? Is that what you're asking?

[Caller/Viewer]

No, no, no, no. I just want to know.

[Jay Dyer]

I just asked the question. What's up?

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[Caller/Viewer]

you think Skittles attraction is merely caused by nurture and not nature? Is there potentially a link there to the fall? And could biology be tied to it at all?

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know. But it's. I guess it's possible that there could be genetic based proclivities. But I don't want to say that any sins are necessarily identical to biology or genetics. But there might be, you know, through past generations or something like a proclivity within your. Within your genealogy or something like that seems possible to me, but I don't actually know.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, why do you think God would like, allow that if like, homosexuality is prohibited

[Jay Dyer]

because of this? In the same way that like, if a mom has a baby and she drinks, right, she can cause fetal alcohol syndrome or if she, if she's a fentanyl addict or whatever, like a baby can be born as an addict as well. It's because the world is structured such that our actions don't just affect us, they can actually affect other people. So it has to do with the way the world is structured as a fallen world as to. And why God allowed it to be structured that way after the fall. Nobody knows.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, so it's like it's a side effect of sin, basically.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Yeah. Although I would think that even if that had there not been sin, the world would still have reciprocal action reaction to where your actions would still affect people. So I don't want to say that your actions affecting other people is only a result of the fall, but yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, thanks. I heard your podcast with Pajo. I wanted to, to know why did you tell Pajo that it's better not to go to a Catholic Church, even if someone doesn't have any orthodox churches in their reach?

[Jay Dyer]

Because that's the orthodox teaching.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, well, like if, if the person really doesn't have anything near, like it's better for them to just stay home and, and pray instead of going to.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes.

[Caller/Viewer]

Catholic Church. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Because of the severity of not communing with heretics and schismatics. So canon law doesn't allow for you to join in communion with heretics and schismatics just because you live where there's not a church.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. Okay, fair enough. Another question. With the experience you have today, would there be something you would do differently from the get go in relation to independent infotainment creation for someone that wants to go that route, whether promotion, communication, outsourcing, or just the creation side?

[Jay Dyer]

Do you mean because I'm orthodox? Like does it cause problems or you saying just from a vantage point of like success and what worked and didn't

[Caller/Viewer]

work just to success. I want to start a YouTube channel. I just need some like, just advice, something you wish you knew.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, there's a lot, you know, things that. Yeah, I mean, I'll say a few things. Like I. When I started doing this, I mean a lot. Some of my advice might not be even relevant to today because, you know, I started doing YouTube stuff around 2011 and I didn't do it right. So I was uploading audios. I was just treating it like a, like a podcast storage unit. So that's not how YouTube works. So I would have not done that back then. I would have done more, you know, ten 20 minute videos that were decently produced, kind of laying out positions because I didn't know really how the algorithm worked. I would have done better with thumbnails and titles because that's absolutely necessary information for doing YouTube successfully. You know, live streams didn't exist that at that time, so that didn't really Even come into play. But you know, live streams are very effective for if you can build an audience and be entertaining and keep them engaged and they do decent in terms of like revenue but they don't do well long term in the algorithm. So basically live stream's dead after a week. So if you do want to grow a channel, you have to kind of also be doing, you know, videos that attract a following. And that's not typically what live streams do. So you need to have like you know, 10, 20, 30, 40 minute videos that keep people engaged because that will not just live in the algorithm but it will also bring subscribers. So I mean those are some of the basics of YouTube that you could probably derive a lot of that from just you know, how to do YouTube tutorials. There's a million videos like that. But I would also say too that

[Caller/Viewer]

I mean, are you really buying a car online on auto Trader right now?

[Jay Dyer]

Really?

[Caller/Viewer]

At a playground?

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah. Really? Look at these listings from dealers.

[Caller/Viewer]

Wow, your search can really get that specific.

[Commercial Announcer]

Really?

[Jay Dyer]

And you just put in your info and boom.

[Caller/Viewer]

Cars in your budget.

[Commercial Announcer]

Mom needs a second honey money.

[Caller/Viewer]

You can really have it delivered.

[Commercial Announcer]

Really? Or I can pick it up at the dealership. One sec, sweetie, Mommy's buying a car.

[Jay Dyer]

I think your kid is walking up the slide, Kyle.

[Commercial Announcer]

Again, really? Auto trader, buy your car online? Really?

[Jay Dyer]

This. A lot of people think they're gonna just do this stuff, which I'm not saying you can't, but it takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of energy. You have to do it all the time. And it's not for everybody. I mean it is possible to pop off early and get really successful with, you know, a few videos and what. But that's, it's like the lottery. That's not most people. So it's going to take you a lot of time. It's a lot of work. It's not, I'm not saying you think this, but a lot of people, you just sit down and talk into a camera. And then I saw the lazy ass job. Get a real job. We work from the time that I wake up until about one in the morning. Even on the days that I'm not live streaming, I am non stop working from the time that I work, wake up until going to bed. So there's basically in what I do, the way we do it, there is no downtime. We, we have to kind of make ourselves take, you know, certain days off to not get burnt out because we do it all the time non stop. So But I'm just Kind of a driven person like that. So yeah, that's going to depend upon your sort of output as well. But, and I don't mean this to shut you down, but you kind of got to know ahead of time if you want to do infotainment. If you're an entertaining person, if you're not an entertaining type of person, you're probably not going to enjoy trying to do live streams and infotainment there. But that doesn't mean you can't do YouTube and all this kind of stuff because there's a lot of different ways to do YouTube. People have successful channels that are no face channels, right. There's people that do successful, just auditory talking over imagery channels. So there's a lot of different ways that you can approach it. One of the things that I didn't do right, which I don't, I don't know how really to ever grapple with this is like, and I don't even know if the algorithm still works this way, but for a long time they were saying, like, you need to be kind of focused in one niche. I'm not going to do a channel where I just talk about one niche because I'm not a person that only cares about one topic. That might be a way to grow faster if you only talked about a channel devoted to fishing, a channel devoted to drama on YouTube. Right. Like one central topic that's focused can have a lot of advantages for growing in the algorithm. So if you're an orthodox channel that only talks about orthodox theology, you're going to probably grow faster than a person that does what I do, where we talk about all kinds of crazy stuff. And the algorithm never really knows exactly the niche to put me in. So that probably hurt us for short term gains. But I'm not ultimately worried about that because I'm going to be me. I'm not a one trick pony. I don't have one interest. I don't want to just talk about orthodox theology all day long. I don't want to just talk about movies. I don't want to just talk about geopolitics. I don't want to just like act like a. I want to do all those things together. So it really depends on who you are and what type of stuff you think you want to do and what niche you want to kind of be into. So great questions though. Jack Kobe, what's up? I mean, I, you know, YouTube has also been great. I, I love YouTube. It's been great for me. We've weathered storms, we've had you know, some challenges, but I would. I wouldn't change it for anything. This is. I love doing what I do. What's up, man?

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey. Hello. Is my mic better? Good.

[Jay Dyer]

I can hear you.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay. Just two things. There's kind of bad weather where I'm at. Uh, so if I crash, whatever. That's what happened. And then I listened to Andrew Wilson a lot. That's how I got kind of more into your stuff. I've been one of your CHAD nerds members for, like, six months, so I've been watching your stuff a bunch.

[Jay Dyer]

Cool. Yeah.

[Caller/Viewer]

Something, though, was I've started looking at origin, and it was actually a comment from Andrew Wilson on one of his debates where they asked about some stuff in the Old Testament, and he said it was allegorical. And I obviously first thought of origin. And I don't know if he's made statements. Like I said, I haven't. I don't keep in touch with that. But I don't know if you saw that clip or made something about it. And I was starting to read on first principles from him. I haven't, like, finished even the first volume or something, but I'm just wondering. Exactly. I know some of the other fathers say that there's, like, many different, I guess, things that you can get from the text. Like, you can take many lessons, but go ahead. If you had something on that.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, so there's a couple different topics here. There's the question number one, of Origin himself, which, as Orthodox, we do not think that he's a saint. He did, unfortunately, die outside of the Church, and then later councils did not accept the system of origin. But he is very valuable as an early church writer from, you know, the second century and, of course, Biblical studies with the hexapla and all these different things that he put together. He's very, very relevant, very important for understanding the thought process in the 2nd century of church Fathers and the debates that were going on. But unfortunately, he did have a very Neoplatonic system that by the sixth Ecumenical Council, ends up being rejected because it kind of ends up denying the. The doctrine of creation, the idea of eternal worlds and eternal falls, that Christ could have to come back and do eternal incarnations. He had a very low view of the body. He thought that the resurrected body was a sphere. I mean, he's got a lot of weird, bizarre Neoplatonic presuppositions. And he did tend to favor allegorical exegesis a little too much. But it's also correct that the orthodox perspective doesn't think everything is literal. So there's a separate issue which is called hermeneutics, which is the science or the study of how to interpret texts. And so we do a certain type of hermeneutics in the Orthodox Church that's layered. It's called the quadriga. And by the 6th, 7th and 8th century, both east and West kind of had a pretty normative structure about how to do the Quadriga. And so basically have the literal text, the. The literal meaning of the text, historical meaning of the text. And then you have the anagogical, the allegorical, the metaphorical, etc, these layers that are sort of strata on top of that. And it doesn't mean that every single text has those four layers, but there are layers to the text depending upon the nature of the text. So for example, sometimes in a genealogy, a genealogy is just a genealogy. There's not like an allegorical meaning of the dude that was the fifth descendant of Abraham. I'm just saying in general that's not the case. Right. So, but other times, if you're reading the Song of Solomon, okay, you have a, you know, erotic love story between Solomon and one of his wives. And the Church has typically interpreted that as a mystical allegory of the relationship between Christ and the Church. So yes, there's all of those things are going on. But for example, you know, you might have the Psalms. And the Psalms are David describing his own experiences when he's being persecuted by Saul or whatever. But in the church's interpretation, we would see those as sort of mystical expressions of the prophecies of Christ. So Christ is ultimately the son of David that's undergoing the prophecy persecutions that David's sufferings were a type of. So you've got messianic prophecies, you've got sort of spiritual typological references throughout a lot of these Old Testament texts. And that's the sense in which it is correct to say that a lot of the Old Testament is allegorical or typological or spiritual. So those are the sort of different things going on. But really great question. We haven't had a hermeneutics question in a long time. Jg, what's up? Arakota says, did you go on the Bad Friends podcast?

[Caller/Viewer]

I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

I've heard of that, but no, I've not been ever been on that. Ryan Stefan says for $5. I started watching you also because of Andrew. Yeah, appreciate. Andrew sends a lot of people. Andrew's been a great support and help and always been a positive Source of, you know, supporting what we do. And appreciate that very much. Jg, what's up? You want to unmute?

[Caller/Viewer]

Yo, what's up, Jay?

[Jay Dyer]

What's on your mind?

[Caller/Viewer]

Yo, I just wanted to say, like, appreciate you for your content. You know, you really changed my mind on orthodoxy. I've been like, checking it out.

[Commercial Announcer]

Thank you.

[Caller/Viewer]

And it feels like kind of a mission. I live in Brazil. Like here is full with full of Catholics and Protestants, so.

[Commercial Announcer]

Huh.

[Caller/Viewer]

Kind of feel like I'm in on a mission, but.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, you're in. You said Brazil. Did you say Brazil?

[Caller/Viewer]

What?

[Jay Dyer]

You said Brazil.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, gotcha. Go ahead.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, so I was checking out like, your research on like, the megachurch and like, Peter Joker, like the business model. Yeah, yeah, I saw this video and there's this pastor that like, had some connections with him. Like he hanged around with the Leadership Network. Network, which was like, we like, founded. Right. Like his company.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Caller/Viewer]

And he wrote a book called New Evangelicalism. Like, you know, he's a Protestant, so he's gonna talk a lot about solar scriptura and like, you know, eucuminism.

[Jay Dyer]

We know about that.

[Caller/Viewer]

But since he has certain connections with Peter Joker, he might have some insight we don't know about. Okay, interesting.

[Jay Dyer]

So I'm looking it up. New New Evangelicalism. And that's a book by who?

[Caller/Viewer]

By this pastor dude, Paul Smith, I think that's his name. Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

And is he critiquing that stuff?

[Caller/Viewer]

Well, yeah, critiquing like the mega church model, the initiatives of being a humanist, all that. But since he said that, he's been around Peter Drucker and these guys, he might have some insight. I got you.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'll have to check that out. I've not heard of this book, but yeah, yeah, I mean, you can. You can definitely get insights from Protestant people on these types of things, especially they were in these people's circles, so. Appreciate that. I'll get that. Michael Jaron, $5. What's up, man? Thank you. Slid $10. Thanks so much, man. C H E T in $10. Total victory. Yeah, dude. You guys are going to enjoy the big podcast when it drops. I'm pretty sure they said Monday, so be looking for that. And of course, obviously, if you're following me on the social, it will be plastered everywhere. Don't worry, you won't miss it. If you follow my stuff. If you don't follow my stuff, be sure and hop on over here on X and follow me there. You can follow me on all the outlets Instagram, all the same stuff under my name. So there's that and then there's that. What do you mean? What happened?

[Caller/Viewer]

Foreign.

[Jay Dyer]

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[Caller/Viewer]

Hi, can you hear me? I have a question on transcendental meditation, if you don't mind.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. Why are you laughing? Are you transiently meditating right now and it's. It's making you giggle?

[Caller/Viewer]

So awful. I'm a really big David lynch fan, and obviously I've seen all your videos on him.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm a big David lynch fan, too. I'm a big David lynch fan, too.

[Caller/Viewer]

All your videos are so great. And I'm sorry if you've, like, touched on this before, but.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Caller/Viewer]

How do you, like, reconcile watching him? I know, like, transcendental meditation. I mean, I don't know if it's a grift or if it's just. I mean, Hinduism, I guess, is kind of a crypt in itself, but it's an even worse off branch of it.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate that he was into some of these things, but I mean, I just take it for what it is. Like, he's, you know, he wasn't a Christian, but he had these, you know, eccentric philosophical and esoteric interests. So I. I take it for what it is. You know, when I watch Twin Peaks, I know I'm watching a guy influenced by Tibetan Buddhism and Zen Buddhism and whatever else. And I analyze it as such much as if I was reading, I don't know, you know, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, or if I was reading the Egyptian Book of the Dead, right? I mean, I would treat it like any. Or. Or if I'm reading, you know, literature from. I don't know. I mean, I remember reading. Who's that guy, Umberto Echo. Read a bunch of his books when I was in college. I mean, he's a, you know, leftist atheist, Satanist, whatever he is. So, I mean, I treat it like I'm reading any other comparative religion or fiction text, okay? But I mean, I'm not. I've never been interested in transcendental meditation or anything like that.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, one of my co workers invited me to, like, a seminar around here and I would just, like, went down a rabbit hole.

[Jay Dyer]

But, yeah, I wouldn't go or participate in that kind of stuff.

[Caller/Viewer]

I'm only an Inquirer, so. So I don't even want to, like, go down that whole. So. But also. So do you think, like, the, you know, not to be like, trite, but, like, the genius of David lynch is, like, in spite of the, I don't know, malfeasance of TM and Hinduism or like, not because of it. I mean, it would. It's demonic, right? Like, emptying your mind? I don't know.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I mean, I'm not going to promote, you know, the religious ideology, but, you know, it'd be like. I mean, if you read Shakespeare, you know, Shakespeare has, like, alchemical, esoteric influences. I can appreciate what's in, you know, the Shakespearean discourse and the symbolism and the typology there without adopting his interest in alchemy or whatever. Same thing with Spirit, Edmund Spencer's fairy queen. I mean, you treat it like literature or like the arts because, you know, David lynch is making movies and plays. You know, movies are basically just plays. I mean, it's not really any different if you're studying Antigone or, you know, Sophocles. It's really no different than reading ancient Greek texts or plays.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, thank you so much. And thank you to Jamie. You guys are the best.

[Jay Dyer]

Thank you. Okay, appreciate that. Glad to hear that you're inquiring and I hope you find a good church. Donald, what's up, man? I don't think Shakespeare is an idiot. I don't know where you guys are getting that. What's up, man? Donald, last chance.

[Caller/Viewer]

All right. Hey, I wanted to ask you. Is. Is my mic good? Yeah. All right. So I want to ask you if you know about Eastern Orthodoxy. Like, is there. If there is a universal arbiter, and, like, how would that handle the Russian Orthodox breaking communion with the Church of Constantinople?

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, there have been many schisms in the history of the church, and the papacy didn't solve all the schisms, so, I mean, schism is unfortunate. But your answer seems to be suggesting that if we had the papacy, it would be the arbiter.

[Caller/Viewer]

No, no, no. I'm saying if there was an arbiter of, like, if there was an infallible or universal arbiter that the Church to go to, then they would, like, you know, they would basically be unified by that.

[Jay Dyer]

Literally what I just said. So you're suggesting that the papacy would do that? Well, there have been many instances in the history of the Church where there were schisms and the papacy didn't do that, and the papacy furthered that. So the. The solution is not the papacy. So it begs the question, because the question assumes that the papacy is the solution. But how do we know the papacy is a solution when the papacy itself has fostered and caused schisms?

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, I'm not talking about the papacy. I'm saying there could be an alternative. And, like, what does Eastern Orthodoxy have is, like, a subjective or an objective source of knowledge?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, what would the alternative be for schisms in the Church to be solved?

[Caller/Viewer]

I don't know, maybe a unified confession of faith or something that they could all hold to.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, I mean, there already exists those things, but I think the problem is that reality and history are more sophisticated and they're more nuanced and difficult than the idea that just having a meeting or just having a confession would itself solve schisms. Because as we've been pointing out tonight, like, whether it's schisms in the history of the Church or whether it's ecumenism in the 20th century, like, a lot of this has to do with geopolitics and espionage, and it's, I think, underestimating or overestimating human nature to think that you can just have these sort of silver bullets, solutions to classical historical problems. So you're never gonna. You're not gonna solve infiltration, subversion of churches with, like, well, let's just have a confession that we all agree to. I'm not faulting you or being rude to you. I'm just saying it's a naive. A way to think about history and how, you know, governments and nation states actually work. So it would be nice if you could have that kind of a thing. But, you know, I mean, you have that kind of a thing in the papacy, and does the papacy actually work to. To do that? I would argue no. So we have a lot of examples of history showing that that doesn't actually work, but we also have examples of schisms. And there was a recent one, what it was at Bulgaria or Macedonia, one of the schisms that was like 50 several decades just got healed without the papacy, so. Devon. What's up, Devin? You want to unmute?

[Caller/Viewer]

How you doing, sir?

[Jay Dyer]

Hey.

[Caller/Viewer]

Hey, So I have a question. So I was watching your stream the other day with the, that one that was like kind of attacking you about being, you know, crude like you. You said he's like pious. Right. So I come from the evangelical world and that's something I still struggle with internally with like trying to figure out like, if. Does that make sense kind of.

[Jay Dyer]

What, what, what are you struggling with?

[Caller/Viewer]

So, so, like, I really appreciate your, I really like your content. Right. I think you're really funny. But like, something about like when I watch other orthodox priests.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm not, I'm not a priest. So why are you expecting me to, to act like, as a person that, you know, writes for Sam Hyde? Why are you expecting me to act like a priest?

[Caller/Viewer]

I don't know. That's why I'm actually asking you. I don't know. I like, I like yourself.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, maybe you have silly expectations about what people are supposed to be and supposed to do like, as if everyone's supposed to be like one type of, of person or one type of role.

[Caller/Viewer]

Okay, okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. This is a personal struggle. I still deal with that. I'm like trying to figure out with myself in terms of like. Because I, I tried because I used to cuss a lot and I tried to stop cussing. But recently watching you, I've kind of like, try to be like more relaxed with it and less like piety about it, you know?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I just think it's, I mean, I'm not faulting you, but you know, I remember what it's like being evangelical and I, I think a lot of that stuff is just, it's really off putting to people because it seems if you're humble and you're contrite and you're pious, then that's going to be something that you do and it's going to be interior to you. I'm not saying, you know, you split your devotional life from your public life. I'm saying that the theology and all of that, it's for you, especially if you're a young dude, you're in your 20s, like, for a lot of people think that you have to be professional, formative and you have to. It's all this external display and you know, just think about the way the evangelicals, it's all so showy and it's all me, me, me, and oh, look at me praising the Lord and it's all performative. And when you read the Beatitudes, all of that is not performative. He Says all the stuff you're doing in front of people, it doesn't get you anywhere you're doing, you have your reward. Don't pray on the street corner so everybody sees you. Don't fast so everyone sees you. So same principle applies to am I publicly? I'm pious brothers. Look how pious I am and how soft I talk. It's like the rest of the world sees through that. Right. And so you're just huffing your own farts, getting off on yourself and everybody else just finds it just distasteful because it is. There's a reason why it's distasteful. It's because it's performative. You don't have to be publicly performative. And especially on the Internet with the piety, I can't even stand it anymore. It just makes me sick because I know most of these people have issues like they've got. There's something else going on and I've met a lot of these people in the real world and yeah, I mean it's just, it's the disease of evangelicalism that makes people think that that's what religion is. All this performative stuff. By the way, this is the schism I was referring to. The 55 year schism between the Serbians and the Macedonians was healed in 2022. So. Oh well, how did we ever solve a schism without the. The papacy. Gotta have the papacy or you can't solve the schisms. This just shows it is possible to heal issues without the papacy. Now that doesn't mean they're all going to get healed. They're all, they're all going to be solved, but they can happen. It can be sold. And I don't know that the papacy functions to actually do that, but. Enraptured West. $5. Everyone knows what you mean. Make a cringe core tier list. Maybe one day. Cowboy cold. $10. Did you watch the Michael Jackson movie? Jamie watched it. I did not see it. I, I like some Jacko songs. I'm not a Jacko hater. I'm not a Jack. I'm just music wise, I'm not a Jacko, like super fan. I like, I don't know, five Michael Jackson songs. I'm much more of a Prince dude than Jacko. But no, I didn't watch the movie. This is movie is a gnostic Luciferian telling of Michael Jackson's life. Interesting. Oh, I'm sure that, I think Jamie is doing a podcast on it. So she might talk about, you know, sort of Gnostic Elements of how pop stars are portrayed. I could see that. James White's RV says for $5.

[Caller/Viewer]

Beep beep.

[Jay Dyer]

D. Jules, $10. Jay, did you go on Jerry Springer? Yes. You all now know the huge. One of the biggest shows in the world right now just did it. And it was Jerry Springer you all know now. And it was about wigger baby mamas. So that's what the topic was. We had a huge brawl, like classic Jerry Springer. I wonder if there were ever any Jerry Springer episodes of wiggers. Let's see. Black kid, black. White kids thinking they black. Is that a thing? Andre Springer. Kevin came home with hickeys. How is that. How is that a show? Kevin came home with hickeys. That's the subject matter of the. Of this episode.

[Commercial Announcer]

Nothing.

[Caller/Viewer]

I want you.

[Commercial Announcer]

Nothing happened.

[Caller/Viewer]

I was drunk.

[Jay Dyer]

I was passed out.

[Caller/Viewer]

But you say you love me, right? I do. And you want to be with me. I do. So why keep lying to me?

[Jay Dyer]

I'm. I'm on Jerry. I'm on Kevin's side right here. Kevin. That's a wigger name too. Your boy K. Fed. Kevin baby. Kevin Federline now.

[Caller/Viewer]

And he's like, oh, I'm gonna go out with my friends one night. And he stays out till 4 o' clock in the morning. He didn't answer

[Jay Dyer]

girl through his phone

[Caller/Viewer]

the whole time while he was out. So that's a red flag right there for me.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, a red flag right there.

[Caller/Viewer]

Answering your phone. I need to know what's going on. So he came home and tried to hide it.

[Jay Dyer]

This is straight Jersey Shores, bro. Yo, here comes Kevin. Gauges in the ear. Dude, what the heck? Maybe. This must be old, right? This is probably. This is probably like 15 years old. They're booing him because he stayed out. His skanky girlfriend's mad. He's on your neck. They weren't hickeys. What were they?

[Caller/Viewer]

My buddies like to mess with me. I was passed out drunk. I mean, it could have been a vacuum. I could have been a spider. But it could have been anything, you know?

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, it wasn't a. It could have been a vacuum. And it could have been a spider. Maybe I'm actually missing some funny material over here at Jerry Springer. The best Jerry Springer ever. Let's see this one.

[Caller/Viewer]

I'm here today to meet the woman of my dreams. I've been talking to this girl on the Internet for a while. I actually been trying to save some money to go see the. This woman.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude's got a. This player is ready. He's come prepared. Got some weeds in his. In a. In a jar. Going to give this chick some weeds out of a jar online.

[Caller/Viewer]

I. I go to the library, believe it or not, to talk to this woman.

[Commercial Announcer]

I met her.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, he's doing it, doing it, right? He's going up in them AOL chat rooms, meeting the ladies. He's like, remember in Napoleon Dynamite? Kip. Kip's like, I've been in chat rooms, chatting with babes all day. You don't even know Napoleon.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yeah, right around MySpace.

[Jay Dyer]

And she's a very MySpace dude. Yeah, get that some of MySpace chick's number.

[Commercial Announcer]

Beautiful woman.

[Caller/Viewer]

She's tall, skinny, she's redhead. Very beautiful woman.

[Jay Dyer]

Why are they booing? Why is that a thing to boo about? Is this a fake clip?

[Caller/Viewer]

What?

[Jay Dyer]

Why are they booing? He said, I met a tall redhead on MySpace. And everybody just starts booing.

[Caller/Viewer]

What a woman. She's tall, skinny, she's redhead. Very beautiful woman.

[Jay Dyer]

Why don't we do it this way?

[Caller/Viewer]

Because you've.

[Commercial Announcer]

You.

[Caller/Viewer]

You've never met her.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't understand why that's boo worthy. Why is that boo worthy? Well, then I'm gonna ask you to leave for a few moments, and we want to bring her out, let the audience meet her, and then. Oh, wait, is this gonna be like. It's a dude. Like a. It's a T, R, A N, Z. Is that one. Is that. Is that the reveal here? Is this. Is this one of those. And we can both observe you two meeting, which will be a nice moment in your life. Okay?

[Caller/Viewer]

So if you would just. All right, thanks.

[Jay Dyer]

Is he getting catfished now? I got to see what's. What's up. We'll have you back in the morning.

[Caller/Viewer]

Thank you.

[Jay Dyer]

So her name is Joby. Let's bring out Joby. Oh, that's. Sounds like it could be a dude's name. Oh, I think it is, isn't it? It's gonna be a dude. But by the way, are we supposed to think this is totally normal now? So isn't this, like racism or whatever? Oh, it is. Hi, Joby.

[Caller/Viewer]

Hello, Jerry.

[Jay Dyer]

I knew it. Now, come on. With that kind of a voice, he didn't know you are. You met. You met here? Brad here on the Internet?

[Caller/Viewer]

Yes, we met on MySpace.

[Jay Dyer]

On MySpace and. Okay, I've seen enough. I immediately knew what it was going to be right away. Okay, back to super chats. Jay revealed on Jerry Springer that he was the dad of all Protestants. Yes, but don't call me daddy, because call no man daddy. Although I did go on Call Her Daddy podcast. That was it, you guys. I went on Call her daddy. Jose, $10. What's up from trigger? Okay, none your business. $5. God bless you, Jay. Thank you. Sick with sin. $3. My friend and I are arguing about zombies and orthodox theology. One of us claims that there is an ontological principle that prevents human corpses from being animated with no spirit. But somebody argued that the physical part could be live. Ooh, orthodox zombie theology is. That is a pressing question. That is a. That is a good. I would tend to think that there couldn't be a zombie, but in the sense of the way we think of it as a dead corpse reanimated. But I could see there being some kind of, like, drug or bioweapon that causes or, you know, bacteria that causes the person to actually kind of be like a zombie. You know, like bath salts and all that kind of like that could happen. That might as well be a zombie. Sick was sent. $3. No, we did that. Jose, you went on Space Ghost. I remember. I forgot about Space Ghost. Remember that? In the 90s? I remember one time the guy from Mystery Science Theater, Joel Hodgson, went on Space Ghost and I wanted to watch it really bad, but it was only on. Oh, you're talking about something else on coast to Coast. I'm talking about Space Ghost because, remember back in the 90s, Space Ghost would interview people. Like, here's one with him and Conan.

[Caller/Viewer]

You know, I've been interviewed by all of them. Regis, Kathy Lee. Regis and Kathy Lee.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Caller/Viewer]

I'd like to say that I think this show is very bad.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay. And should be so. That's what I thought you meant. What is Space Ghost? Coast to Coast. Oh, you're art. You are talking about that. I thought you were talking about coast to coast with George nor. George nori.

[Caller/Viewer]

Trav.

[Jay Dyer]

$100. Dang, dude. Thank you so much, trav. 812-8812 is winning the super chats tonight. He says.

[Caller/Viewer]

I see.

[Jay Dyer]

Already got 200, 000 views. Dude, I don't monetize these people. Shout out to tr. What's up, man? Thank you for that Generosities bra. Anonymous. $3. This is a test. Thank you. It worked. Tip top. For $10, Jay, recommend the best book about Christ and Old Testament prophecies. Ooh, well, get the orthodox study Bible and then read the Psalms. There is a Protestant book, but I mean, there's a. There's a Lutheran dude that wrote a book on it. That's pretty good. What's it Called. I'm gonna have to move the book because I can't see it. So let me look on the shelf real quick because I do not remember the name of the. The author off the top of my head. But there is one that's over there that's actually pretty good. Written by a Lutheran dude. So just one second here. Let me find that. Okay. It's E.W. hingsenberg called Christology of the Old Testament. This one is a pretty good one, even though, you know, caveat, it was written by a Lutheran dude. There's another one that I don't know if I want to recommend this one. It might be good, but again, it's kind of a Protestant thing. I remember reading some of it back in the day. Not a lot because it kind of. Sometimes these are. They're just a little too Protestant. But there is one by Patrick Fairbairn called Typology Scripture. I mean, this is a beast. It's like a thousand pages. But probably the Lutheran one would be better for that because he just mainly just focuses on Old Testament typology. So 10 says for $10, God bless you. Could you join Burning Bush Channel? He's Orthodox. He loves you. Subscribe. Well, yeah, I appreciate the shout out there. I'm not familiar with him, but usually the people that like what we do, we end up vibing with them pretty well. The people that don't like us, we don't vibe with them very well. So let's see. Is that this guy? Daniel Newman. Okay, I'm not familiar with him, but shout out for the shout out there. Appreciate that. Anonymous. $10. Do you think that the various schismatic groups, the true Orthodox, Florinites, Matthew Ites separate confession from world Orthodoxy? I don't know what you mean by separate confession. Beyond the ecumenism and the issue of the calendar, what separates them from the church? I see that they have novationist and donatist traits. Yeah, absolutely. They're 100 novationists and donutists. Do they have new heresy elements? I mean, they're all over the place. So I'm sure there could be new heresies. Sure. Gerardo. $10. Go on. Burning Bus Channel. His name is Daniel Newman. He's Orthodox. We'll see. I'm. I am. I'm not trying to be rude. I ain't trying to be a name dropper and all of that, but I'm saying, I mean, we are booked up for a few weeks, so I'm not, you know, trying to be a D bag. But after Monday we're probably going to be really booked up just being honest with you. So I think. I think that will lead to a lot of interviews. So it's going to be difficult to say when I'll be open to doing everybody's interviews, but I will keep it in mind. And I appreciate you reaching out. Groove Monster. $20. Congratulations on this big show. It is very wild to see you blowing up. Glory to God. Hey, it's wild for me to be here experiencing it. It's kind of never would have expected to be. I mean, I thought at a certain point, you know, I think you get to a certain point, you think, yeah, it might actually be possible to go on so and so podcast or blah, blah, blah, podcast. So. But I don't think, you know, if you've gone back like 10 years, I wouldn't really have thought that would ever, ever be the case and would be. But, yo, we just manifested it, yo, this the law of manifest day. I manifest that stuff, bro. Ghosty, $10. I might be going through a quarter life crisis. Do you have advice on finding your purpose? Yeah. There's a guy named Rick Warren and he wrote a book called Purpose Driven Business Church. So your purpose, my friend, is to plant a business church to make bank and retire to the Bahamas. That's a joke. D. Joel's $5. Jay. I watched the documentary on HBO. It's called Bring Me Beauty the Beauties. It's about a model cult. Ooh, I love niche cults. We love covering that. Bring Me the Beauties

[Caller/Viewer]

model.

[Jay Dyer]

Do you mean like a male model cult? Because I could definitely identify with that. I could definitely identify with it. And that's often been a temptation myself, being such a male model on Nantucket. And this gentleman puts his towel down

[Caller/Viewer]

next to me and begins engaging me in a conversation. He talked about Eastern religion and the astrology.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm like, oh, this must be this guy.

[Caller/Viewer]

Frederick Von Meers. All right.

[Jay Dyer]

See, it's going to mess up my copyright here.

[Commercial Announcer]

Ever met.

[Jay Dyer]

And I realized, is this kind of gay stuff wanted the beauty. I don't want to see a bunch of gay stuff, dude. Is that what this is? Make whatever I'd make a certain percentage I would keep, but. So these pretty boys start a cult. Is that what's going on here? Male modeling and male supermodel Hoyt Richards experience inside the eternal values cult. Oh, this looks great. Is this where we got. Dude, this is where we got Clav from. Clav is born out of the MK Ultra experiments of whatever this is. Dude. This is how we got to Clav. Okay. Looks like other people have even been been looking into this cult here. How a spaceship called. Of course it's got to be spaceships, dude. You can't have a proper cult without some damn sci fi going on. I want aliens. I want spaceships, clones, sexual, Tons of sex and hotties. Like that's how you do a cult, dude. You got to have all of that. That's like the checklist Basics, dude. Checklist basics. So here is their ad. Let's see. This is the ad for. No, this is hard copy exposing the alien. The alien Model C. Dude, this is perfect. Susan Bearden, Erica Wilson, John Hoyt. They're all top professional models represented by the prestigious Ford Modeling Agency.

[Caller/Viewer]

They're also members of a cult called Eternal Valley.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, this is Zoolander, dude. This is actual MK Ultra Zoolander. And if you watch Zoolander, they actually MK Ultra in Zoolander. This is Zoolander. MK Ultra, dude. Dude, Clav is Blue Steel. He's MK Ultra mind control.

[Caller/Viewer]

How do you do?

[Jay Dyer]

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Frederick von Mirrors. Frederick is the self anointed guru of eternal value. He looks like the dude that is in every tiny Mustache man propaganda poster. He is like, that's the guy, right? He says he and his followers are from the star Arcturus.

[Caller/Viewer]

Of course, I did come from Arcturus.

[Jay Dyer]

I entered into this. You notice nobody in a space cult is ever from a shitty planet. They're like. Or you know the people that do the past life regressions. Like they're never. Oh, I was a toilet cleaner in ancient Babylon. No, I was a prince of space in my fifth life on the planet of Zygote. I was prince of space. The whole galaxy worshiped me in my past. Nobody has a shitty past life. It's always. I was awesome, dude. I was so awesome. 5,000 years ago.

[Caller/Viewer]

The physical body. On January 23, 1978, at 7:00 clock

[Jay Dyer]

in 1988, Frederick appeared on this talk show to warn the world of the coming apocalypse. Starting in May of next year.

[Caller/Viewer]

The terrible earthquakes, the storms that will beset humanity. The fighters, we must warn you. We're here.

[Jay Dyer]

That dude looks really weird. I mean, it looks like he was getting plastic surgery way before anybody was getting plastic surgery. So dude, that's a countdown. It's a countdown until Clav starts an alien cult. Give it time, dude. Give it time. How long until Clavicular has an alien cult? You convinced me. I will watch this documentary. This was. This looks perfect for me and Jamie to cover and also being such a stunning. I mean, dare I say gorgeous eda myself. I mean, whoa. It's perfect for us to cover. So, yes. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Peter Constantine. $100. You guys are being super generous tonight, by the way. Sorry to the callers. I am spent. Thank you so much. So for the people that did call in. Appreciate you calling. I'm gonna close it out, though, because y' all ain't even had no dinner, dude. I'm just like. I'm just straight. Like, I'm live stream maxing right now. So I gotta have a little bit of crackers and sustenance at this point.

[Caller/Viewer]

Yo,

[Jay Dyer]

Bible belt says for $3, I live an hour from that James River Church. Counterintuitively, they're actually against yoga. They have Body Flow in the church gym. That's fine, though. They have a church gym. It's called Body Flow. You need to look up the lady that claimed that she could regrow her toes. It was a creative miracle. We do need to look that up. But I like this clav cult right here. Dude, we're gonna have to talk about this For. For.

[Caller/Viewer]

For.

[Jay Dyer]

We did a whole episode on this cult. Lady miraculously regrows toes. I like this idea. Of all the things to grow back too. Oh, is it from that stupid church? There has been a lot of skepticism around the toes regrowth miracle claimed by Bill Johnson and John Lindell from James River Church. Oh, no. During the Week of Power, I want to walk you quickly through the evidence that I just received this last week. That 100 refutes their claim and shows

[Caller/Viewer]

clearly that not only did Bill Johnson and John.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, but what about all those uncreated foot? Because if you think about it, uncreated foot requires uncreated toes. Follow me. Which requires uncreated toe nails. Follow me. Which requires uncreated toenail clippers. Keep going. And uncreated bunions. Does that have any impact on medieval Islamic theology? You decide, Lindell. Lie. But even worse, the church covered this up. So the post was made by Marsha York Fortin. She made this post in 2023 during the week. Of course, the boomers are over here believing it that I got my toes growed back. I was up there at the Pie church. I was up on the stage right after the monster truck rally and the tanks. This is the church, by the way, with the church, with the monster truck rallies in the tank. So that's this. They grow my toes. Back of power. And the conversation between Christina Dines and

[Caller/Viewer]

Andrew Irvin is telling to what actually happened.

[Jay Dyer]

Let's walk through that. So the conversation between here starts with Christina dying, saying, I definitely never took any before pictures. So we see Christina claiming, I don't have anything before Sue.

[Caller/Viewer]

How can you compare it?

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, I. We need to get the expert. We need to get Quinton Tarantino up in here to investigate this miracle. There's nobody else better qualified on our planet Earth than Quentin Tarantino to investigate what really went on with this wine mom and her toe regrowth. With the after photo that the church and John said that they have and that it's real. It's real. There has been a lot of skepticism around the. Okay, interesting. So she says, I never took toe pictures, so therefore there is no before toe photo. This is so stupid, dude. Like, imagine being at that church and you're actually grappling with this problem right now in your life. Like, I'm. I'm starting to doubt Jay's River Church. Like, I'm starting to think they don't grow toes there. My whole paradigm got shook. Give me honeymoon. I can't handle it. Bible bail, three dollars. No, we did that. Van Whalen five dollar watch. Street Fighter, Church edition. Oh, my gosh. Ruslan ain't got nothing on this. You guys are. You guys are gonna kill me with this stuff tonight. I don't know if I got the energy for evangelical evangelical craziness tonight.

[Caller/Viewer]

Dude.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm already spent, man. Even. Oh. Oh. They like, mixed it with Street Fighter. Okay. I don't think I've ever seen this. Round one, fight. Sonic boom, Sonic boom. Round two, fight. Okay. Definitely a bizarre. I've never seen that. I don't know how I missed that one. Jonathan Kelly, $5. Did you watch Kurt Metz? Danny Jones? He went into. He laid into Professor Dave. No, I didn't miss that. I mean, I saw that he was on there, but I didn't see the Professor Dave part. Interesting. I have to. I'll have to find that clip. Faith can move mountains.

[Caller/Viewer]

$5.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm here after the Cleave and Stream. This is a win for the incense sniffers. Absolutely. Canonical beard, $10. What's up, G. Morris?

[Caller/Viewer]

15.

[Jay Dyer]

I missed the start of the screen. The screen. What podcast you go on? I went on Jerry Springer. Dude. Israel Church, $20. Took me a long time to understand Romans 11. I don't know if you said Romans 11. 28 was a group of people. I've always read it as two groups of people. And who the elect are Romans is like Paul Evangelizing ryan stuff on $5. I started watching Jay because of Andrew Wilson. Good news. Good news. Ericota, $5. Did you go on Bad Friends podcast? No, I went on Jerry Spring bell, Bill Elliot, 10$. David Wood looks like he's staring into a leaf blower Yazzie stole. I ain't gonna read all that. Five dollars.

[Caller/Viewer]

Unk.

[Jay Dyer]

Unblock me. Maybe I'll have to see who you are. I defended you. You misunderstood my joke. Now, that does happen sometimes. That does happen sometimes. Thank you for everything that you do. I'll take a look at that. I'll get my people to take a look at you. Buckland, $5. Jay, I'm curious. What's the camera and the mic, the sure M7 and the Sony ZVE2. And we got two of those, baby. We got that. We got that diva cam. We got that normal cam. We also got full cam. We got it all, baby. I mean, there's only two cameras, but multiple scenes. Rally. $10. David Wood looks like he's staring a leaf blower again. Goat Meister, $3. I don't want to sound like a millennial man child. Did you see Woody? He was cucked for an hour and a half straight in Toy Story 5. First of all, I hate Toy Story. I don't like. I don't like it. The movie sucks. I. I remember seeing Toy Story 1 and 2, but I didn't grow up in the 1950s. I'm not a boomer. So none of those toys are the toys that I grew up with. So I grew up with GI Joe, he Man, Legos and Transformers, dude. So I'll watch Shia LaBeouf running around touching butts with Transformers, but I'm not gonna watch a bunch of toys that I never played with as a kid. So, no, I did not watch Toy Story, but I am not surprised that the message was feminism.

[Caller/Viewer]

Nothing.

[Jay Dyer]

Nothing surprises me about movies, for sure. All right, we got. This is too big here. You can't see enough of my hair. My. My haircut. There we go, the diva cam. Okay, we got more super super chats. Il Duce, $5. What do you think about global warming? Massive scam created by the global elites. We've covered it in the global lead texts. Rob Warren. What's up? Member haul Long Nate, $5. God bless. Doid, everyone. Doid. Support your stream. Support your boy on the stream. Thank you, dog. Enraptured West. Yeah, pay Piggy. It looks like I started just on time. I did. Listen, whenever I start is precisely just on time. And the Right time. Learn, listen, learn. And sit in silence when I speak. Floyd, $5. There's a guy I don't care about some rando person wanting to debate chat. $10. Yeah, we did that. You won't say who, but can we expect the big podcast to drop soon? Believe it drops Monday. Tmo, thank you for that super chat. To thee we sing. $10. Did you see that Matthew A went on Danny Jones? It was a pretty good watch. Or sure assume you know of him. Yes, I know Matthew. We've done I think three podcast chats in the past. I didn't know he was on Danny Jones. I just see the clips that kind of pop up. Like I don't. I messaged that Danny Jones dude. I was like, hey, I'd love to come on. And at first he sounded like he was kind of interested and then he kind of ghosted me. So I. I don't know, but he's had like all these esoteric occult people on. So I'm just speculating like maybe he doesn't like Christian stuff or something. I. I don't know. But the Danny Jones guy just decided to not get back to me. So I don't know, maybe he don't. He don't like. Maybe he don't like to see a queen rising up in status. So maybe he's racist. That's what I'm saying. Cheese collect $5. Jay, my Google won't back up AI songs if you hear this. Do you think search engines will be take over to control a Kang? I don't know anything about Google backups. Will the. You mean will the search engines be taken over by AI? Probably. Probably.

[Caller/Viewer]

Cheese.

[Jay Dyer]

Click. I'm saying that searches won't be accessible. It's already that way, dude. Like half the that you could find searching five years ago, none of it even comes up. You just get these terrible answers now. So it's. I think that already exists. Enraptured West. The amount of history that is behind all of this stuff is mind blowing. I think he's talking about earlier in the first hour. How can you juggle so many things, so much info and lay this out over all the years? I do have a kind of a large noggin, so maybe there's just a lot of space to store the RAM and the data on the RAM. X trip. $20. Did you see the Money Masters documentary? I saw it 15 years ago and I think you asked this question on a previous stream and super chat and I responded by saying that if I recall, William still has Some sort of weird idea of like he is. I mean I know he, he critiques Federal Reserve. I agree with all that. But like he thinks fiat money is like a good idea for some reason or I forget something like that. I'm pro bitcoin. So you guys know my, my take on that is that bitcoin is really the best answer for any of that. There's nothing that's going to be invented that's superior or any, even anything close to what we have with bitcoin. So a. Alright, I can never do this. Name Al Scarik. $10. Orthodoxy. Autocracy. Nationalism. Czar Nicholas. Blue Pyramids. $5. Everybody watch the Kino Corner short film with. With the Charles Carroll. Yeah, I forgot to mention that when I pulled up the Kino guy, he's got the Charles Carol short short film right here. So everybody can check this out right here. Promote that here on YouTube. And I by the way meant to watch this and I forgot about it. So here is this. I'm glad you reminded me of that. What backs bitcoin? The network. The processing power value over time. Okay, super chats, where we at? Enraptured West. The UA bowl film isn't great. It does make a heavy point about being sick of today's society. It harkens back to Death Wish type films or Clint Eastwood films. Oh, interesting. Okay, I didn't. I guess it makes sense with the title that, yeah, that would be some kind of a East Clint Eastwood style movie. Thomas and Dollars book recommendations on British intelligence, relationship to the Black Hand. I mean I really only see that come up in conspiracy text. I'm not saying it's not true. I think it probably is. But I don't know what the one book that goes into it that isn't written by a schizo is like or some weirdo. So honestly, I don't know. I mean it's sort of bandied about amongst conspiracy texts, people like Webster Tarpley. But I don't know what the good book is that suggests that, but it does make sense. Great Scott. Five dollars. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Prestia. I would buy a book if you book. If you did on geopolitics. I'll send you GoFundMe. The GoFundMe is the super Chats, y'.

[Commercial Announcer]

All.

[Jay Dyer]

It's right there. Send your super slides Super Chats on Stream labs. There's the GoFundMe van wallet. No, we did that. Every time I see this name, Vera 1776. I think it says Versace. Versace 1776, $5. Did you see Cruelty Squad? I've not seen that. It's a gnostic, anti capitalist game. Post Cruelty Squad. No, I'm not familiar with that. I'll have to look that up. Floyd pocket list, $5. Did you skip my super chat? No, I just said I don't care about whether that dude wants to debate me this people that constantly make whining, bitching, bitching videos for like 10 years with tiny channels. I don't care about those people. He streams about you, but he won't call in. Okay, Robert did. We just went on one of the biggest podcasts in the world. I don't care about that dude. Robert Log, $5. Do you think about Palm Beach Pete on Lord Voldemort? I thought that was just kind of a joke. I thought they were having him on as they were having fun with it. People want to find Epstein so bad. I think so. Il where are hats in the Bible? Yeah, exactly. That's what Pastor Hat and Tat said to refute us. He ended orthodoxy about saying where's hitting them hats in the Bible? How do we come back from that one, you guys? All right, everybody, have a great night. Lot of fun. I'm sure I will see you before the big drop on, I think Monday.