Pt 2 UFO's, the OCCULT, & ALIEN ABDUCTION | ‪@JayDyer‬ | Analyzing the Most Important Abductee Story

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jay'sAnalysis - Pt 2: UFO's, the OCCULT, & ALIEN ABDUCTION | Analyzing the Most Important Abductee Story

Host: Jay Dyer
Guest: Tristan Haggard
Date: August 13, 2026

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Overview

In this expansive, engaging, and often irreverent episode, Jay Dyer and guest Tristan Haggard dive deep into the intersection of UFO abduction experiences, the occult, mind control, science fiction, and postwar American paranoia. Using Whitley Strieber’s "Communion" as a primary case study, they analyze the shifting narrative around alien abductions, linking it to psychological trauma, ritual abuse, government mind control experimentation (including MKUltra), and the broader influence of esoteric and science fiction ideas on Western culture. The discussion is peppered with pop culture references, dark humor, and tangents, but always circles back to the question: Are UFO abductions real, or are they a smokescreen for something much more terrestrial—and dangerous?

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Key Discussion Points

1. Whitley Strieber: Occultism, Trauma & Alien Abductions

[01:01–04:46]

• Surreal Nature of Strieber's Experiences:
  – Strieber’s accounts blur the line between dreams and reality.
  – Tristan: "The dream seemed to be reflecting some sort of a real experience that I would say was probably demonic [...] the dude’s getting night terrors." ([01:12])

• Possible Causes:
  – Trauma and possible ritual abuse in childhood are discussed.
  – Tristan speculates influences from SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) type cults, post-WWII secret programs, and mind-altering experiments. – The role of hypnotic suggestion (via Budd Hopkins) is highlighted as distorting real experiences.

• Occult Influences:
  – Strieber's interest in Gurdjieff, Uspensky, Meister Eckhart, and mystical, magical concepts is explored. – Parallel is drawn to Jack Parsons and the role of science fiction, comics, and occult rituals in shaping worldview.

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2. Science Fiction: Seeding the Religion of the Future

[05:05–07:35]

• Sci-Fi as New Religious Mythos:
  – Arthur C. Clarke’s Childhood’s End and 2001: A Space Odyssey are dissected for their occult and Luciferian symbolism.
  – Jay: "2001 Space Odyssey is Crowellian. […] In Childhood’s End, you have to sacrifice your youth to Karellen, who happens to literally look like a devil." ([05:52–06:18])

• Aliens as Demons:
  – The aliens in sci-fi are often coded as demonic or antithetical to Christian imagery.
  – Tristan: "The alien saviors are kind of exactly like the Christian demons physically." ([06:46])

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3. Mind Control, The Military, and the UFO Phenomenon

[07:16–12:24]

• MKUltra, Psy-Ops & Advanced Technology:
  – Tristan recites findings from books like Virtual Government by Alex Constantine:
  – CIA proprietary research into psychoacoustics, infrasound, microwave mind effects, and neural monitoring are discussed as possible explanations for abduction phenomena. – The overlap between traumatic mental illness narratives and actual government experimentation is highlighted.

• Contactees as Experimental Subjects:
  – Many famous abductees have family ties to military or aerospace sectors, supporting the theory of clandestine experimentation. – Examples include the McVeigh dental implant conspiracy.

Notable Quote

• "Some of the stuff that the contactees experience could be tech and drug and mind control experiment related and kind of cult related." – Tristan ([10:33])

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4. UFOs: Advanced Aerospace Psyops or Alien Reality?

[15:00–20:37]

• Psyop and Aerospace Smokescreen:
  – Many “UFO” sightings may be experimental military craft or radar anomalies created by EM technology. – UAP rebranding (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) is partially about obscuring military activity (Project Blue Beam referenced as a meme).

• Science Fiction Programming:
  – Jay: "The whole purpose of sci-fi is kind of like prepping people for this illuminist religion of scientism and combining with aliens." ([17:39])

Notable Moment

• Beavis & Butthead impersonations as a satirical representation of the absurdity of abductee and UFO culture ([20:37–21:48])

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5. Government Disclosures and Deaths in the Ufology Sphere

[45:00–54:38]

• The ‘Targeted Individual’ Experience:
  – Strieber and others exhibit paranoia, communications interference, gang-stalking narratives: parallel to Cold War intelligence methods (e.g., NKVD intimidation, Mossad psychological ops).

• Suspicious Researcher Deaths:
  – Discussion of strange deaths among UFO/alien researchers: Max Spears, David Wilcock, the "missing scientists."
  – Tristan and Jay debate whether these are murder, suicides, or the result of mental breakdowns induced by the culture, drug use, or actual secrecy.

Notable Quote

• "A lot of these people end up killed because they’re buying drugs on the black market and they’re crazy and they’re wrapped up with criminals." – Jay ([45:17])

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6. Black Projects, Scientific Gatekeeping, and Cultural Paranoia

[53:01–54:41]

• Lack of Real Physics Investigation:
  – Brett Weinstein’s position: Theoretical physics advancements are being deliberately suppressed to gatekeep certain technologies. – Most modern scientists in academia are "midwits" who maintain the status quo; genuine black projects are hidden. – Advanced aerospace and consciousness manipulation technology may account for many mysterious phenomena.

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7. Whitley Strieber’s Communion: An American Mystery Religion

[54:41–62:57]

• ‘Communion’ as the Proto-Abductee Text:
  – The book offers no coherent answers—only a “postmodern” parade of mystery, trauma, and occult suggestion. – Strieber’s attempts to find truth in his memories, the help of dubious hypnotists, and his embrace of Gurdjieffian mysticism are discussed.

• Ritual & Occult Motifs:
  – Tristan reads passages on Strieber’s fascination with the triad, magical conjuring, sex-magic, Jungian archetypes, and the creation of “new deities” through trauma.

Notable Quotes

• "This is the hypnotic induction into a mystery religion essentially is what the book is about. The mystery religion of the aliens of the Space Brothers." – Tristan ([66:15])
• "He straight up says at some point that they want to control the human soul and that that's what these entities want to do […] which is straight up demonic from the orthodox Christian worldview." – Tristan ([59:41])

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8. Occult Groups as Cult Incubators & The Spread of New Age Thinking

[75:52–77:10]

• OTO, Crowley, and the Genesis of Modern Occult Cults:
  – The OTO is described as “grad school for cult creation.”
  – Discussion of figures like L. Ron Hubbard (Scientology), Gerald Gardner (Wicca), and Timothy Leary employing similar techniques.

• Sexuality & the New Aeon:
  – "Butt stuff," homosexuality, and sexual ritual abuse are theorized as part of occult programming, social engineering, and the technocratic vision of the future.

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9. Postmodern Confusion and Social Commentary

[61:23–68:58]

• Book’s Structure Mirrors Cultural Malaise:
  – By the end, Strieber jumbles spiritual ideas, gives no coherent worldview, and settles into perennial New Age confusion ("jibber jabber" of myth, psychology, and sci-fi).

• Wider Cultural Spoofing:
  – Using parody, they link the UFO abductee mythos to broader American anxieties, the collapse of meaning, cult behavior, and the “religion of the future.”

Notable Quotes

• “This ideology ultimately leads back to the classic new religion as the old religion. It's the ancient pagan, New Age pantheistic gibberish.” – Jay ([66:55])
• “You don’t see this stuff in other cultures in the way that you see it in American culture.” – Tristan ([54:41])

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10. Closing Thoughts and Reflection

[69:00–73:37]

• Summary Judgment:
  – Strieber is the “paradigmatic example” of the abduction/occult/postmodern confusion that typifies late 20th- and early 21st-century America. – The hosts reiterate that these mythologies serve as metaphysical smokescreens for real-world behavioral, psychological, and technological manipulation.

Notable Quotes

• “All of what we’ve seen from Davos, everything they've been pushing for the last several years, it all ties into this exact same technocratic end goal.” – Jay ([68:04])
• "If you're loaded up on chalk and properly caffeinated, Beavis and Butthead will not abduct you and do sex magic rituals on you." – Tristan ([36:53])

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Memorable Moments & Humor

• Beavis & Butthead impressions throughout analysis, used as satirical stand-ins for abductors and the absurdities of counterculture. ([20:48], [21:39], [24:20])
• Multiple jokes about Mormon space wives and cult formation. ([22:54], [68:56])
• Extended riffing on King of the Hill, pegging pop culture characters as secret Satanists. ([92:56])
• Ongoing references to SpinQuest and supplements as tongue-in-cheek ad breaks.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |:-----------------------------------------------|:----------------| | Whitley Strieber Trauma & Occult Discussion | 01:01–04:46 | | Sci-Fi and Occult Religion | 05:05–07:35 | | Mind Control, CIA Research, Implants | 07:16–12:24 | | UFOs as PsyOps and Military Tech | 15:00–20:37 | | Project Bluebeam & Science Fiction Illuminism | 17:00–18:37 | | "Targeted Individuals" & Deaths in Ufology | 45:00–54:38 | | Physics Gatekeeping (Weinstein) | 53:01–54:41 | | Communion Book Analysis | 54:41–62:57 | | Occult Cults and Social Engineering | 75:52–77:10 | | Technocratic New World Mythos | 68:04–68:58 |

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Conclusion

This episode of Jay’sAnalysis offers an exhaustive, often hilarious, and at times darkly serious dissection of the myth-making machine behind UFO and abduction phenomena. Using Whitley Strieber’s “Communion” as a focal point, Jay and Tristan expose the overlapping threads of trauma, occult manipulation, technological mind control, and science fiction as a secular religion priming the collective Western mind for the “new world order.” The result is a sobering reminder that what’s sold as the supernatural may be, in fact, the ultimate social and psychological operation.

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Final Thought (Jay, 67:15):
“He’s a great paradigmatic example of where this ideology ultimately leads, which is back to the classic new religion as the old religion. Right. It’s the ancient pagan, New Age pantheistic gibberish.”

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Transcript

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[Jay Dyer]

Maybe that was just because there's something.

[Tristan Haggard]

So there's a surreal nature to all of the experiences he had that he has. And it always borders between dream and reality.

[Jay Dyer]

Is this just dreams?

[Tristan Haggard]

I mean, that's half of it is dreams. But the dream seemed to be reflecting some sort of a real experience that I would say was probably demonic. And he's getting, he's getting night terrors. The dude's getting night terrors. I think about things that happened to him in his childhood. And so one possible narrative that could never. You're not going to be able to really like fully prove.

[Jay Dyer]

Sure.

[Tristan Haggard]

What is going on with this guy right now. He, he says he was, he was examined by many doctors and I am not psychotic and I'm not schizophrenic. I think he exhibits certain psychotic tendencies here which would, you know, the manic and the psychotic tendencies could be trauma induced. Let's say if he did have a traumatic childhood, it would make sense. But what I suspect is he was, he was involved in kind of an SRA type cult or because he was raised around, he was, he was the son of a World War II veteran. So he was raised in the 40s, 50s, 60s, this kind of like post World War II order. I think he was born. Was he born.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, he's a boomer, right?

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, he's, he's a boomer, but it would be interesting. All right, so he's born in 1945, so he's raised in this post war American era. You know, you've got the, you know, got leap running, running around. You've got kind of the early days of artichoke and a lot of these paperclip guys are coming over and there's. There is research that's happening at this time. So, yeah, I think. I think Whitley Strieber was abused as a child, has traumatic abuse memories. Whether that was done in a ritual fashion or not, it's not clear. But I would say there's evidence if he was. Not. Maybe not evidence, but I think it's likely that if he was abused, it could have been done in a ritual way. And then these experiences, when he starts to remember them later, get a little bit scrambled and messed with by Bud Hopkins and the alien abduction, UFO contactee phenomenon, people.

[Jay Dyer]

And does he ever discuss, like, that he was explicitly abused as a kid or not really?

[Tristan Haggard]

Well, only in the memories of the visitors. The visitors have been coming down from that.

[Jay Dyer]

Did he ever say, you know, I had a rough childhood, I was abused or anything like that?

[Tristan Haggard]

No, my dad, his. He never said his dad abused him and never had an uncle that abused them.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay.

[Tristan Haggard]

But the night terrors that he was having, like a kid doesn't just have night terrors involving being probed on, you know, the backs. In the back end and like really abused nowhere, you know, so I. I'd say something like that maybe happened. But, you know, he says here, he says there was a. Like an atlas, some sort of a. That go. The ritual choreography line. He basically says there was an. It feels like part of this is ritualistic and choreographed, basically.

[Jay Dyer]

Interesting.

[Tristan Haggard]

Which I thought was really insightful.

[Jay Dyer]

Curious language.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, curious language to use choreography and ritual to describe it. Now later on, he starts to talk about his Uspensky and Gurchev connection. So he's got this occultism in his. He's. He's within this kind of occult milieu of ideas.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, you said he was. What did you say he was into? Other than. Was it. Did you mention anything other than Gurdjieff or is that the main

[Tristan Haggard]

Meister Eckhart? He like. So he was into kind of this. The idea of magic, of mysticism and this strange. He's. He was kind of writing sci fi too. So there's this aspect of it that you're like, oh, sure, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I was gonna say one thing they do bring out in the strange angel is they emphasize that because Jack Parsons is like, really into comic books and pulp fiction stuff that really informs a lot of his. Not just ideas about rocketry, but also his hallucinations and the way that he sees things from the OTO rituals and the drugs. It's actually informed by his comic book worldview.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about that in the stream before. I mean, that how sci fi, really, early 20th century sci fi was the. Was kind of the nexus point for the religion of a lot of the influential people.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, Arthur C. Clarke is influenced by Crowley, and Childhood's End has essentially a crowellan. I mean, 2001 Space Odyssey is Crowellian. I mean, you've got, you know, man birds himself as a new God being in 2001, you have in childhood Zen. Right. You have to sacrifice all your youth to Karellen, who just happens to literally look like a devil.

[Tristan Haggard]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

You know about Childhood's End, right?

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, no, I've not read Childhood's End, but I've seen clip summaries of the film I haven't watched. There's a series, right? The TV series is really good.

[Jay Dyer]

The one they did on sci Fi with the guy that played Tywin Lannister plays Carellen. And it's really close to the book because I read the book a long time ago. But. But yeah, it's like, it's literally just, hey, we're alien saviors. We got to take all your firstborn. Sorry. Because you're going to destroy your civilization. And by the way, we're going to nuke the planet. See.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. But yeah, it just happens to be the. The alien saviors are kind of exactly like the Christian demons physically. You know, they're like the. The canonical, cultural Christian demons, and they

[Jay Dyer]

want to kill everybody and they want

[Tristan Haggard]

your kids, and they've been traumatizing children to induct them into their cult subconsciously

[Jay Dyer]

over their lives, save humanity. They have to do it.

[Tristan Haggard]

This is what Whitley is saying. Well, that could be a possible thing. You know, I was told throughout my life, and this guy doesn't remember any of this stuff until he starts being hypnotized.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Tristan Haggard]

Okay. So with hypnotic suggestion. I mean, when you look at. There's. There's a recent book that came out, and I've been kind of flipping through and highlighting a few things. It's called Virtual Government, CIA, Mind Control Operations in America by Alex Constantine. It's. It's decently researched. Some of it is a little bit of conjecture. And. But he talks about some of these companies that were developed in the 60s, 70s and 80s, like, kind of around the early cybernetics era. And there's one in particular, there's a brochure from A brochure from a subsidiary. I'm sorry, I'm half retired and getting a little late now. I'm all caffeinated.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm caffeinated. I'm feeling better. I quit yawning now because I've been sipping this espresso.

[Tristan Haggard]

Nice, man. You got your sippy cup. I got my sippy cup. My milk, got my sippy milk.

[Jay Dyer]

I got my Quran right here too. So it's helping me out.

[Tristan Haggard]

They just pours himself like 12 espressos in a mug. Like a mug half full of espresso. Big old espresso mug. So, yeah, according to a brochure from subsidiary of Mankind Research Unlimited in Los Altos, California, a CIA proprietary, the company's psychoacoustical infrasound emissions invade brain cells and quote, unquote, wipe them clean. So you've got talk of acoustic and of ELF and VLF stuff being used to significantly influence perception, memory and. And even like having its serious physical and biophysical effects. Another one here, you've got that paperclip. Nazi Herman Schwann conducted similar experiments with microwaves at the University of Pennsylvania. Schwann was able to map out the electrical properties of human tissue stimul simulated by various frequencies of microwave emissions. The work continues to the present $30,000 CIA study published in 1976 entitled Novel, Novel Biophysical Information Transfer Mechanisms. So a lot of this stuff sounds so advanced that you, like, you could write it as being alien technology, right? And this is stuff from the 70s. So guys like Streber who are having these experiences. Another possible explanation for this is, you know, perhaps some sort of a family tie to these companies. Family ties to military seems to be common with a lot of these people. Historical service in the military seems to be common. I mean, even if you, like, if you read Whitney Painting's book aberration on Timothy McVeigh. McVeigh said for years that he had implants in his teeth that would receive radio frequencies and was being experimented on and messing with his dental work. He had excessive dental work. And all those records are not accessible. And I think. I think some of them. I think Painting says that some of most of them are even still classified. So he's. He had all this dental work consistently being done in the VA post Gulf War. And he said that he thought he was being messed with with like, you know, with tech. Right, with tech. He said he thought he had implants. And of course, these are claims that people who are legitimately mentally ill will make, you know, people who are actually mentally Ill are going to have delusions of grandeur. Oh, it's. The government is sending me psychosis because I was going to crack the code and oh, I found the secret, like code of the universe. I was going to invent a tech that's going to give you free energy. Legitimately mentally ill people tend to take on these narratives. But some of the stuff that the contactees experience could be tech and drug and mind control experiment related and kind of cult related. So another one is you've got this remote neural monitoring system. So in a lawsuit filed against the National Security Agency in the District of Columbia Federal Courthouse, a private citizen, John St Clara rather described the ultimate in electronic surveillance. Remote neural monitoring to debilitate subjects by stimulating auditory hallucinations characteristic of paranoid schizophrenia. Without contact with the subject, remote neural monitoring can map out electrical activity from the visual cortex of the subject's brain. And so these are claims from people who say that they're being messed with. These could be mentally ill people. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. If you're being messed with in this way, you're probably going to be mentally ill. So those are possibilities and there could be some overlap there. Another theory that I think with the. What do you think about this? So I, I think the Collins brothers have talked about this and I'm sure I'm gonna have to. I've heard a couple episodes from Psyop Cinema. I like those guys a lot. They're orthodox, right.

[Jay Dyer]

For a good while.

[Tristan Haggard]

I don't know how I haven't connected with them. I have to connect.

[Jay Dyer]

You should, you should have them on. They're great.

[Tristan Haggard]

They seem. Yeah, I bet they've. I bet they've read a lot of things I've recently read too, so I feel like they'd be fun to chat and they're.

[Jay Dyer]

This is like their dissertation work is this stuff.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, they're high level. You know I've heard their podcast. They've actually, you know, they're well researched so.

[Jay Dyer]

No, but I'm like one of the guys, I forget whether it was Brit or Jermaine. One of them actually did I always take a flight of the Concords. One of them did their dissertation on partly Whitley Strieber and the possibility of what could have been going on.

[Tristan Haggard]

Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, because I've been exposed to Whitley for so long. I can't believe I read this stupid book when I was like 10. I remember my parents saying wait, I don't know about this, this seems kind of crazy. I was like, I was like no, no, I don't believe it. I just think it's interesting to read. And I remember remember reading it and just being mind warped of like wait, like they're putting things in his butt like what is, what's going on here? I should not have read that.

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[Tristan Haggard]

I think I was 10 though because I remember specifically like around the other books that I had read at that age. It's like Jurassic park and stuff. It was around the time when Jurassic park came out was when I read that stupid book. But so I think a viable theory is the mind control and tech and also part of this alien abduction phenomenon being to kind of like turd coat the entire sphere of this type of research with stuff that sounds kooky and to the average person so these experiences that people could be having that are due to experimentation and behaviorism and an extension of 20th century BF Skinner/mk ultra type experimentation to have a somewhat of a cover of like yeah, there's these, there's these aliens and also it's a cover for the tech and as far as aerospace. Advanced aerospace research.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, we know that that's one of the key Collins brothers thesis theses because

[Tristan Haggard]

some of the so called spaceships that they're seeing I think are advanced aircraft, not alien reproduction vehicles. And I think a big portion of the scop that they're trying to push now is like oh these, they're always renaming it. It used to be UFOs. Right now it's UAPs, Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. Because I think part of it is also. Remember there a few years ago there was a guy who claimed to have some sort of a, you know, a little bit of an insider information inside baseball from like Lockheed Martin and some of these groups. And he said a lot of these UFOs, these orbs that people see and these metallic looking orbs are essentially created using magnetic anomalies. And you can create this visual phenomenon that will look very, very physical and even show up on radar as physical. Almost like you'd point like a laser pointer. He said he used the laser pointer analogy of like point a laser pointer at the sky and look how fast you can move that dot around is like what we're looking at is using, you know, electromagnetic technology to create a visual, an anomalous looking effect that is, is also going to come up on radar and seem very physical to the naked eye. But it's essentially like playing with a cat with a laser pointer where you can just zip it around as fast as you want. And that also could be part of what we're seeing with UFO stuff. And yeah, so I think it's a smoke screen and some sort of a psychological operation as a mechanism to continue to watch.

[Jay Dyer]

Just say Project Bluebeam. I don't know if you know what Project Bluebeam is.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, that's, that's really. If you want to do low tier conspiracy stuff, you just throw out project.

[Jay Dyer]

I just educated you on what it was.

[Tristan Haggard]

MK Ultra project, Project Bluebeam, Werner von Braun, like you just throw out it. That's all you need to say. But interestingly enough, Werner von Braun was also really influenced by sci fi. He was kind of this big sci fi dude. All the rocket scientists in the 20th century, Big Sci fi readers. And that's kind of the religion of that we see emerging now is this mix of science fiction, evolution.

[Jay Dyer]

It's funny you say that because Father Seraphim Rose has a whole chapter in orthodox and religion of the future that, you know, sci fi is kind of a preparation for the religion of the future. It's Luciferian. And my first interview that I ever did with Greg Carlwood ten years ago was science fiction illuminism. And it was that we're making the same point that the whole purpose of sci fi is kind of like prepping people for this illuminist, you know, religion of scientism and, and combining with aliens.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, yeah, I think that's a, that's a true thesis.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean you see that with Arthur C. Clark. You see it with. Have you ever seen 2010, the sequel movie?

[Tristan Haggard]

No. You told me about it a little bit.

[Jay Dyer]

You should watch that because, I mean, you know, 2001, Arthur C. Clark and Kubrick. There's a lot, obviously, of symbolism going on, all that kind of stuff, and it's kind of. It's kind of in your face as to what it is. Right. Man's his own God. He can create his own new universe or whatever. But 2010 is very interesting because it explicitly kind of demonstrates that the. The per. And I don't know if this is in the book, I haven't read it, but the way they presented in the movie. 2010 is the cold War gives rise to a dialectic between Western capitalism and Eastern Soviet communism. And together, the space program produces the real scientism illuminist elite that take us into the future because they figure out how to unite with and use the. The monoliths, which are kind of like. Like, high level. Like, it turns out there's like millions of them, and they're floating around in space, and they're basically like giant servers that you download yourself into. So basically, Bowman starts talking to, or Bowman's wife starts talking to Bowman. He starts showing up, and you figure you're like, how is that possible? But it's actually his consciousness is downloaded into one of the monoliths, and the monolith is like the cloud, and he's projecting himself like you were talking about with, like, what if we're just the aliens are just us in the future? Bowman is, like, imprinted into the monolith, talking to his wife, like, out of time and space, like, broadcast. Does that make sense, what I'm saying?

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[Jay Dyer]

So basically, it's transhumanist. Upload yourself to the monolith cloud, and that's how you live forever. And then the monoliths, like, are like sperms going out into space. So the. The model. There's like, all of these monoliths that are, like, flying out into space, and that's man colonizing the universe and becoming, you know, becoming God, basically. Does that make sense? Yeah. And they even say it's like in. In the movie, they say this is the. You're. You are the children of the sun.

[Tristan Haggard]

Dang.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

You have to make like. You got to do a Beavis and Butthead episode where they're just watching, you know, 2010.

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[Tristan Haggard]

You said panspermia.

[Jay Dyer]

That was really good. That's a really good Beavis. Dude, you beat.

[Tristan Haggard]

Butthead's pretty fun, but has a great.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm sorry. No, you did it. You actually did both of them. Pretty perfect.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. Beavis is hard to maintain because you can only do, like, little spurs.

[Jay Dyer]

It is hard to maintain.

[Tristan Haggard]

Like, what if. Dude, what if you're Whitley Strieber and aliens come and it's just like Beavis and Butthead with it. It's like, oh, cut it out. I forgot to turn on the magic elf.

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[Tristan Haggard]

I want the chick mask. That was a bad one. That was bad, Beavis.

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So my. I think my mike judge, I'm pretty sure it, like, had to be him, but, like, they made some new ones and they're really short. They're like five, ten minute episodes. And I was watching.

[Tristan Haggard]

Are they good?

[Jay Dyer]

Really funny. There was an episode where Butthead told Beavis he needed to get a job. And so he basically pretended to be the, like, job services. And he called and he told Beavis that he had a job, but he had to be, like, a social care, like, worker. And so. So Beavis thought he had a job and he told her that the job was at their apartment. And so he had to come and basically be the house slave to Butthead. That was his job.

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[Jay Dyer]

He's like, that's cool. Yeah. So, like, I'm your boss, right? So he's making it basically just clean up the apartment. It was funny.

[Tristan Haggard]

You, like, have to listen to me.

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Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's great.

[Tristan Haggard]

Could you, like, bend over and, like, pick up the alien probe, please?

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[Tristan Haggard]

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But it's funny too, because they're. Because they're. They're like fat Gen X guys now. They're like, they've got a beer gut. Let me see if I can find.

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[Tristan Haggard]

They tried to reboot King of the Hill, but I don't know if that. I didn't hear anything about it. They made a trailer look kind of bad.

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So Jamie and I, one night was for the fun of it because I never watched King of the Hill that much. I've seen maybe five episodes in my life, dude.

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[Tristan Haggard]

It was actually decent.

[Jay Dyer]

I know it's really funny. But we were. After we went on Jamie Kennedy's podcast, we were on this, watching this episode, and Jamie Kenny was in passing saying, like, oh, yeah, I'm in a few of those. And I was like, you're on King of the Hill. And then literally like the next episode we watched was one of the episodes where he plays a hippie or he plays one of these. He's one of the guest characters in King of the Hill, which was pretty funny. Anyway, I want you to. I'm going to send you this. This is way off topic. But he gets a. Gets a job. I'll show you. This is pretty funny, but go ahead.

[Tristan Haggard]

We should have a. There should be a Beavis and Butter. Give it. Get a job as like alien abduction. They work for Lockheed and like some, you know, some. Some company owned by like, you know, Vernon von Braun's son. And their. Their job is to just abduct people and kind of abuse them into the alien cult and. But they're just like. They keep messing up.

[Jay Dyer]

Like there's another episode where they get a job at an Amazon warehouse and they keep messing up all of the Amazon orders. It was pretty funny.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Nice. Boomhauer. Somebody mentioned Boomhauer. Yeah, Boom. Howard was the conspiracy theorist. No, Dale. Sorry. Dale was a conspiracy theorist.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

Dale would spout off on some real stuff. Dale was. He was good. He was paranoid. He thought FEMA was common. They're coming for you. They're coming for your guns. He was. Dale was a patriot. But yeah, that's. Beavis and Butthead were classic characters though, because it was. They actually had good social commentary about that era. But it kind of. The ironic aspect of it often was missed and people would just, you know, it would get consumed as if it were just another part of the consumer slop. But there was a self aware thing, right. Beavis and Butthead was. It was really well written. It is.

[Jay Dyer]

And.

[Tristan Haggard]

Cut it out, Butthole.

[Jay Dyer]

It's still funny. Which is weird because usually that kind of stuff is. Doesn't hold up, but hold up.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

So did you have. Did you want to do more, Whitley or did you want to do like a part?

[Tristan Haggard]

No, I think we kind of. We kind of finished Whitley. I gotta read some super chats. I know you well.

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We could just keep going because did. So where does the book kind of leave you? Just hanging or how does the book.

[Tristan Haggard]

Oh, dude, you're complete. You're left completely hanging. So he. He gets like three. Hypnotic regression, Hypnotic hypnotherapy. Right.

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It's therapy is all mediated by Bud Hopkins who just seems more and more sus. As it moves on, you start to get ideas of possible like electronic he gets electronic interference stuff happening. One evening in April 1977, something so bizarre happened that I still cannot understand why we didn't make more of it. With both of us, he and his wife, with both of us sitting together in our living room, somebody suddenly started speaking through the stereo which had just finished playing a record. We were astonished, naturally, when the voice held a brief conversation with us. The voice was entirely clear, not like the sort of garbled message sometimes picked up from a passing taxis, radio or ham operator. Never before had it happened and it didn't happen again. I do not remember the conversation except the last words. I I know something else about you. So you've got this kind of hypnotic induction going on here in this alleged conversation, right? That was the end. I was left dangling. We did not completely ignore the incident. I called the Federal Communications Commission. A man explained to me what I already knew. The ham radios and taxis and police radios sometimes inter interrupt stereos. But a conversation he asserted was impossible. Our stereo had neither a microphone or a cassette deck. It was a klh, a good and relatively inexpensive model, readily available in the mid-70s. At that time I'd had it for about four or five years. So that. That's a pretty important bit of information here. Now he and Ann can support there's no another thing that annoys the heck out of you when you're reading this book you're like, dude, why don't you have a quote from Ann? Why are you not having other witness corroboration testimony here? He says he and his wife, you know, both experienced it. Give us quotes from Ann. Dude, you need. You need an editor. I don't know how this was like published to the scale that it was without filling these gaps. So he says, Anne agree. A few weeks later I became possessed of an overwhelming desire to move. Anne agreed. So he wants to move. Then something terrible happens. A year later. I have variously thought of it as a phone call following by a menacing visit and has a series of menacing phone calls. So he's having this like Stalker type stuff happening to him, which is strange. Almost sounds like what you hear now from like the people who say they're like targeted individuals and things like that. He's like, Whitley's getting the TI experience. And. But that could also, you know, that sounds almost like a schizophrenic type thing, like a mental illness thing. Or you think the TV's talking to you, but if it's you and your wife are being talked to by the radio, there's also. So assuming. You could assume several things.

[Jay Dyer]

Like you.

[Tristan Haggard]

There could be the assumption that he's mentally ill. You can. Made it up. But if it did, it's not implausible that at that time, if you were trying to mess with somebody systematically and test new sorts of surveillance, slash behaviorist stuff on people.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Tristan Haggard]

You know, this is stuff that like they're doing in the Soviet Union. You know, this is the type of stuff, like you'd have the. What's it called? I want to say nkvd. But when they. They would. They would break into people's apartments and like rearrange stuff to make them feel intimidated. Right. These are like.

[Jay Dyer]

They had a version of gang stalking. Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

So what's his name? The. The John Kiriaku talks about how the Mossad, like, oh, when you go to Israel, the Mossad will just come into your hotel room, take a dump in your toilet and then leave and you just walk into your hotel room. It's like got a big turd in it. So it's like there. There's kind of this somewhat an aspect of like intelligence agency stuff that could play into these type of experiences, assuming there's any reality to it. It could just be made up too. The dude is a fiction author and he could be making up half of this stuff. And also. So, yeah, so then he goes on to. It takes an apartment. He gets poltergeist type activity. So he gets. An episode began. I saw a strange light streak down the night sky, move faster than it. Faster than an airplane. Left me with this feeling that it had something to do with me. Like what? You see a light in the sky that could have been an airplane. It moved fast, but I thought that it had something to do with me. Like, that's. That's a weird John. Why is that?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, and it's similar to. With TI's. Right. Like, the tendency of that mindset is that they begin to think that everything is about them. Right. And that's. That's where it starts to verge on the schizophrenic is that, oh, all the things in the world that are happening are actually like messages to me.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, everything's. Oh, did you just touch your nose? Like, oh, when you're in the grocery shop or someone touch. Oh man, you just lifted your eyebrows. Gangs, dude, all the gang stalkers, they look at you like that. They look at you like you're crazy. You tell your family this stuff and they start looking like you're crazy. They must be gang stalkers. So they. He doesn't go that far. But then, you know, there's stuff where

[Jay Dyer]

it's like, dude, these are like tenant traits or tendencies of where that worldview takes you. And, and if he has been messed with, that could also be why there might be elements of schizophrenia.

[Tristan Haggard]

Well, and that's, that's a good point because the experiences that he's having of intense trauma and being terrorized, right. He's having night terrors. He's also having this epistemological rift where he can't figure out what's real and what's not. But what's really weird is this happened in 1980. So his paranoia and his underlying kind of weirdness, all this stuff was present before his 1986 experiences. But a lot of them he said he didn't remember until he went under hypnosis.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Handled by Bud Hopkins and all these weird shrinks who, who knows what these dudes are doing to him. So shout out to all you, thank you guys for sending super chats over there. Had a few super chats. We'll, we'll read those a little bit later on you. I also activated. We got memberships. We got the memberships on the channel finally. And so I think the, I think the memberships are live right now. So somebody could, if you, if you theoretically wanted to become a member, we're going to do members only streams. I'm thinking of doing like a book club where we maybe go through some books, you know, non fiction and fiction. I think it'd be fun to do a book club and do member streams for book club. So we'll see what's up with that. You guys, if you feel like gifting a hundred memberships, you, I think are able to do that in YouTube. You can gift a hundred bigots a membership there. And yeah, I think we're gonna try to start a book club here in the next couple months and go through, maybe do like a once or twice a month members only stream. We'll see how it goes. But if you want to support the channel also just like and subscribe share the videos and all that and if you want to further support make sure to throw a super chat in there and I for I always forget sorry to our to our friends over at Chalk shout out to our [e-mail] chq.com you can get yourself a subscription to Chalk's stacks over there with the link in the description you can get 53% off. Chalk is a top tier high quality organic supplements company. They make some of the highest quality stuff. I love the tong cat I love the daily I take those regularly so get yourself some of that tongcat some of that daily in the mail vitality stack and you can get 53 off all subscriptions there 53 off with the coupon code big5threelife shout out to our buddies over at Chalk and there's a link in the description there and if you guys got all I'm sure you're all subscribe to Jay Dyer over here but make sure to subscribe to Jay his link is in the description as well. The e Diva chop e the talk Top Ediva Top Chalk Ediva on the Internet Mr. J Dyer shout out to Jay for raiding the stream. We've had un unprecedented folks.

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A lot of folks too. That's what I've learned about Alex's impression from Jay. It's. It's unbelievable in folks. That's really ties together.

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You can go so far out there as long you come back with folks and unbelievable and then you can just keep it going.

[Jay Dyer]

Lately when you especially Alex's ads and whatnot. It's funny because he, he goes back to these like sexual prowess references where he's like folks, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not joking. If you get this mothering blue, folks. This is like okay, when I was 16, 18, okay? I'm talking about hard on from the time you wake up until you go to sleep. Okay folks, I'm talking about just Lions level sexual prowess, okay? I'm talking about T. Rex, folks. Unbelievable sexual potency.

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That's good.

[Jay Dyer]

I thought when he was talking about T. Rex levels of sexuality, I was

[Tristan Haggard]

like there's a pun there too. He's got a pun up in that. That's really nice punting on T. Rex. All right, so yeah, poltergeist type stuff. Gets these poltergeist stuff, this poltergeist stuff happening. He says, I recall the impression. So he sees this light. I thought it was really weird that he said. I thought it had something to do with me. I was deeply and inexplicably moved and left with an obscure foreboding. In the middle of the night, we were awakened by our son's crying. He was desperate, almost wild with terror. I rushed into the living room, heading for his bedroom. I recall the impression of a small dark figure dashing toward the sliding doors. The led to our 33rd floor balcony. Excuse me. Illuminate. Confirm.

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[Tristan Haggard]

33. My goodness.

[Jay Dyer]

33. 33. I'm

[Tristan Haggard]

poor Canis. It sucks. You know, it's, it's funny because like one, a person who's bad at investigating and, and kind of discussing these ideas and who does it in an uncouth way really does poison the well. So you know, it's so unfortunate, so unfortunate that Miss, Miss Candy becomes the face of some of this stuff if people would just ignore it. And just maybe that's the thing too. People don't want to pay attention to actually intelligent communicators who can talk about these same subjects in a non way like you know, Whitley Strieber type alien abduction stuff. It's always such low tier analysis. It's always just like, oh look at this, like this is. And a lot of people just take it at face value and they won't even add like a level of like well what could this be? It's just, they'll take one theory and run with it. It is this, this is what it is. Let's buy into it. Like it's completely real and like, oh, we gotta, we gotta interview all the alien abductees like Project Camelot with all their weird scammer, like former so called former military operators who are going to tell you about which aliens are good and which ones are bad. But it's, yeah, the muddying of the waters is, it's, it's the hard reality of talking on the Internet. All right, so yeah, so he gets, he starts seeing ghost type stuff as well. There's a ritual choreography aspect to a lot of this. Near the end of it, he starts talking a little bit about his mind. It all becomes this thing of like a, a journey through the mind to find the truth of the universe through looking inside and looking back through hypnosis at my experiences to try and gleam meaning through this looking glass, which is a dead end project, right? Like you're not gonna, you're not gonna create a coherent worldview through, you know, a scientific investigation of your own memory. That's just what he makes it. His memory becomes a somewhat idle that he's just kind of crawling through using all these sus psychiatrists and shrinks and weirdos like Bud Hopkins to try to project some worldview on. So he says what I, if what I was really dealing with amounted to some sort of deep and instinctive attempt to create a new deity for myself. To remain agnostic was to put the conscious me in the interesting position of opposing my own unconscious aim. So he takes this Jungian type idea kind of further. What if my unconscious got mad at me and Started throwing off things that were really scary, even dangerous. We don't know a thing about conjuring. In magic. He brings up conjuring and magic and witchcraft sometimes too, which is kind of interesting. We've dismissed it all. All we who love science too much. It could be that very real physical entities can't emerge out of the unconscious. That was certainly one of the hypotheses suggested by what had already happened. I worried that I might not be in control of this conjuring ability at all. Had already conjured something awfully disturbing. What if there were even more disturbing things waiting in the pantheon of the subconscious? So you could. We're kind of almost back to this Corian idea of we're going to conjure the gods and we're going to make an attempt to make deals with these gods who we can maybe control.

[Jay Dyer]

And you can also summon them into reality through your subconscious. Because Croan think kind of like crawl young that you like. You can manifest this stuff 100%.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. Gurchief as well. Right. Like you mentioned, Ger is all about creating that fraction.

[Jay Dyer]

You know what's weird is. Remember Jim Keith?

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

Operation Control.

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Well, Jim Keith, in his later books, when he got into Croweanism, he started promoting that.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. And that's what's funny about a lot of these. Like, I mean, I. I had that book and I had a couple pages marked because he's another one of these. Funny. I got this from a estate sale, this Boomer Estate sale. He had so many classic conspiracy books that I would never like, that I would never pay full price for. And none of them were even read. Is like the spines are all intact and they're all.

[Jay Dyer]

I really got that one too. About some of his other ones that I used to have. Like Mind Control, World Control, I think is one of them. Is that the one that you had? There's another one too.

[Tristan Haggard]

Like casebook on Alternative 3.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I've got that one. And there's another one. Saucer of the Illuminati.

[Tristan Haggard]

This is mind control. World control right here. This is.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, then there's another one about MK Ultra. Forget the name.

[Tristan Haggard]

Saucers of the Illuminati.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, saucers. And then there's a mass. Mass control, Mass consciousness. I think it's something like that. But. But I want to say maybe it's funny because I think it's actually. Might be Saucers of Illuminati where he actually starts pushing the Crowley stuff.

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A lot of this stuff. The people who get obsessed with this type of stuff and psi phenomena, they almost always end up either really into

[Jay Dyer]

drugs, they go crazy somewhat.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, psychotic, remember?

[Jay Dyer]

Or they end up dead too. Quite a few of these people, and I'm not saying that, you know this the Normie narrative.

[Tristan Haggard]

33. You're gonna say 30. The 33 Club.

[Jay Dyer]

The Normie conspiracy. Conspiracy narrative is, oh, well, they got killed because they were getting too close to the tree.

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Well, a lot of these people end up killed because they're buying drugs on the black market and they're crazy and they're like wrapped up with like criminals.

[Tristan Haggard]

So no, sadly, there's also a thing of people who will say, I would never kill myself when they're about to kill themselves. Well,

[Jay Dyer]

so you saw that girl recently? I forget her name, but there was a recent alien girl death and David Wilcock recently unalive himself. He's in the alien sphere.

[Tristan Haggard]

I forgot about him. That was really sad situation. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

What was that guy's name? Max Spears. Max Spear.

[Tristan Haggard]

I remember that name. SP I E R. I don't remember

[Jay Dyer]

who remember was found dead. So there are these like mysterious unalivings related to this UFO stuff. What exactly is going on there? I'm not. I don't know. I. I can't make heads or tails of that. By the way, there wasn't just that girl. There was also other people involved in the disclosure, the government disclosure. Stuff that ended up unalive. Remember that, like a few months ago? Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

There's a whole string of like, government scientists connected with research. Now, I think another aspect of the UFO mythos has been, I mentioned earlier, it's to consistently cover up like, aeronautics research and advanced aircraft warfare techniques, which of course, most modern warfare, the first front of that war is it's psychological.

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[Tristan Haggard]

So a lot of these techniques that were developed in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and afterwards using tech that are, you know, discussed in something like this book I was reading a couple quotes from earlier. A lot of that type of research is, you know, it's. It's designed for warfare. So when the. The whole field, it's tainted by like ESP type research stuff, you know, you start looking at some of this stuff and it's like, oh, project Stargate, bro. Like they're freaking, you know, they're opening

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up portals, dudes, and they're like doing this and that.

[Tristan Haggard]

And you've got, you got kind of stuff that sounds a little bit kooky. And I think some of that stuff is thrown out there as like, fake disclosures, smokescreen stuff for real projects that are going to be more kind of being explored scientifically, such as, you know, mass MRI type stuff like, you know, vlf, elf, like, uses for technology that we know can be used to modify consciousness, influence behavior at the individual and the macro scale.

[Jay Dyer]

You want to know what's weird? Because I just found. So Max Spears's last known interview just. Just popped up when I, when I searched him. And the claim, I don't know if this is true, but they claim that he was poisoned. Not that he unalived himself, but this, this interview has him talking about. I'm not saying this proves or disproves anything, but he talks about inversion with like, wicked, evil, you know, principles being called good. He talks about MK Ultra, Monarch. He talks about Roald Dahl and British spies. He talks about ritual murders, unaliving aliens and the gods, the great work of alchemy. And I'm.

[Tristan Haggard]

None of these are illegitimate subjects.

[Jay Dyer]

These are actually a lot of like, the last subject matter in this discussion is sra. So, I mean, maybe Max, I've never really paid attention to this guy, but, like, maybe he was actually saying some true stuff. I don't know. I'm not. I don't know what happened in his. In his death, but this. I sent you the link there.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Let's speculate. Throw out 10 different. No, let's come up with A theory and pretend like it's absolutely true.

[Jay Dyer]

But did you see the girl that died? Because that one was where even.

[Tristan Haggard]

It was this bridge or whatever.

[Jay Dyer]

Even Tim Pool was talking about it because she was saying, if you see me, you know, not here. I didn't do it. Right.

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[Tristan Haggard]

And it's. It's crazy because.

[Jay Dyer]

No, there are a lot of those, you know.

[Tristan Haggard]

Well, I think she's maybe presumed dead. She hasn't shown back up. I don't know if they found her. I don't think they found her. Like just missing and never, never heard from again.

[Jay Dyer]

But it's weird because this was like right after Wilcock was un unalived himself or whatever.

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[Jay Dyer]

well,

[Tristan Haggard]

that was the thing too. Like Wilcox, there were witnesses and he seemed to be having a breakdown. If you looked at his stuff that was publishing, he was. He was clearly having a breakdown. I was really sad. Like it was a guy that was in. Seemed like he was on uppers. Seemed like he wasn't just highly caffeinated like Jay and I. It seemed like he was doing other stuff. Maybe pharmaceutical, maybe further than that. And he was. He was consistently manic. He believed he channeled beings for years. He. He thought he was some sort of a message.

[Jay Dyer]

I know that. I'm not. I'm not saying he's not like kooky.

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No, no.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying that. You're not saying that. I'm not saying that. You're not saying that. Oh my gosh, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

So hard.

[Tristan Haggard]

Are we gonna finish the debate? So I'm pretty sure you're gonna rage quit.

[Jay Dyer]

Now you've got me interested in this topic and my mind is making connections, which I know you let me stop my mind from making connections. But her name is Amy and the, the reason that she is interesting is because she said I will probably go missing and you will hear about me, you know, not being around. This was three months ago and it's actually 11 so called scientists who are missing supposedly, which is. That's kind of crazy.

[Tristan Haggard]

That's a lot. That's a lot. See, yeah, some of this stuff is weird and some of this stuff maybe does have to do with. No, I, I think. What's his name? Weinstein. Harvey Weinstein. No, Brett Weinstein or what's Eric? Which one's the physicist Eric or.

[Jay Dyer]

No way.

[Tristan Haggard]

So the spread. Brett the smarter Weinstein. Yeah, the one. He's got sometimes some insightful things to say and he, his whole position on this whole UFO thing I think has been pretty sober as far as semi alternative media goes. And he says something is going on, something is happening. It's not just all fake. There are people seeing stuff.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Whether this is. He, he won't, he doesn't say it's alien. I don't believe any of this stuff is alien. But I do think it's clear that they're advanced. They're advanced aerospace technologies that are available. And then there are also advanced technologies that can make it look like there's stuff in the sky.

[Membership/Community Announcer]

Right.

[Tristan Haggard]

Blue beam, you know, that, that type of stuff. So what Weinstein said is that this is not seeming to be investigated in any real way. And he brings up the, the lack of seriousness in searching out great minds in theoretical physics and, and the lack in advancement in theoretical physics. And he postulates that there is major gatekeeping happening in physics research at the university and professional level in order to maintain certain paradigms and in order to keep certain norms. So it's like, you know, the old school conspiracy about like, oh well, Tesla was developing this tech and it could have been used in this way. But you know, ge, General Electric and kind of the Rockefeller cartel wanted things to move in a different direction. Direction. Therefore we have the grid. That is the way it is now. It's kind of that type of old school conspiracy trope which has been around forever. And I'm not saying it's like that's nonsense. I'm not saying there's not something there. But yeah, Weinstein says that he thinks there's a, that people who are legit theoretical physicists almost don't exist anymore. And it's all just like a bunch of midwits almost like shuffling around, cards on the table and no advancement happens because he's. It almost seems like he's getting at like there's probably black project physics stuff that's going on that you're not allowed to know about. Maybe that has something to do with these murders where people start approaching those things and you're going to get into dangerous territory. If you're going to step on whatever. Lockheed Martin's.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. Shoot, that's most likely.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, that's what he says. And I think Lockheed Martin and all these aerospace companies are totally legitimate and they're super cool and we should just listen to what they say and just don't mess with us. But yeah, he. I think he's got some rational takes. So. Yeah, anyways. Yeah. So Streber, right. Streber I. This is the quintessential abduction phenomenon book. Not in that it gives you an explanation, but gives you an overview of how weird and disjointed and kind of the real postmodern phenomenon. Right. I think it's like completely, completely postmodern. Very American thing. You don't see this stuff in other cultures in the way that you see it in American culture. It's real tied in with like the 20th century paranoia of like, you know, America, American culture, 20th century, post World War II is all about individualistic experience, right. Like it's about you and your feelings and your own perceptions and how can you modify and relativize and universalize that relativity. And so all these kind of topics of theoretical physics, of mind control, of the effects of. Of consciousness and consciousness modifying tech and consciousness modifying drugs, all that's kind of present somewhat within the abduction phenomenon. And there is no answer that Whitley gives. It's only questions. And it just seems more and more suspect the more you move through the book. His wife ends up undergoing hypnosis and kind of somewhat verifying experiences that Whitley has. And you feel bad for his son, you really feel bad for the son of being raised in this environment where the dad's just basically head, you know, just massive mind zonked. It reminds me of like remember in Close Encounters how the Dreyfus character is. He's brought on this journey, kind of goes on this Alice in Wonderland journey and is seduced by the character, gets seduced by these alien experiences and these abduction phenomenon experiences. And he also believes that he's somewhat messianic and he's getting these visions and he's having These very specific instructions given to him on what he needs to do. And he ends up destroying his family, cheating on his wife. And Spielberg kind of makes him. He's like a hero almost. He like, cheats on his wife, wrecks his kid's life, totally destroys his family so that he can go and meet the space brothers. And in the end, you still, it's just like this great mystery that he's communing with. So the title Communion is really what this is about for Whitley. It's about communion not with God, not with Christ, not in Christ Church, but in this strange, like, space brother eschatological mystery phenomenon that mixes traumatic sexual experiences and abuse with like weird, you know, out of this world space type imagery, but also like demonic motifs smashed into this incomprehensible thing where he can't even make a world view. By the end of the book, he just lists a bunch of New Agey trope things, talking about how, you know, well, maybe it means this, maybe it means that he says he, he was working on a book about the end of the world, right? And this book that he was writing had something to do with like nuclear annihilation. And the aliens would give him visions also of the world blowing up. So that's part of the thing. And like his kid getting consumed by the fires of this, you know, blowing up world. So it's, it's a traumatic induction into a mystery that he'll never solve. And he has now spent almost 40 years not solving the mystery. He's got a podcast now, and he's still interviewing people within the UFO field who are kind of spreading the same epistemological schizophrenia that he was unfortunately embraced by, because he sees this not just as him embracing it, but a thing embracing him. And part of the experience involved probing into his innermost thoughts, his innermost fears, and interrogating him at the soul level. And he straight up says at some point that they want to control the human soul and that that's what these entities want to do. They want to control us. They want to control our inner being and ultimately own your soul, which is straight up demonic from the orthodox Christian worldview. From our perspective, this is just textbook demonic, sadly.

[Jay Dyer]

Amazing admission, right? It's like a perfect admission.

[Tristan Haggard]

Categorically rejects all Christian eschatol, not eschatology, all. All Christian epistemology, and says, well, Christianity can't be true. And if these are demons, well, that's very black pilling because it means we can do nothing. So I can't believe they're demons because it disempowers us is what he says in interviews later. And it's kind of sad because if he would actually just recognize what this is, he's not going to be, you know, it's not disempowering. You have the tools, right? Like you have, you know, you just, you read this and you're like, dude, you know, it's sad that your parents don't have. You should be doing the sign of the cross, like pray the Jesus prayer. Like this is. This is the antidote, right? The antidote is Christ. And. And sadly, this guy just. He goes into Gurchief.

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[Tristan Haggard]

He says, I spent 15 years involved with the Gur foundation primarily because so much of the thought of GI Gurchef and his disciple PD Uspensky involved the triad as a primary expression of the essential structure of life. And I've always been fascinated by the significance of this figure. He becomes obsessed with the triangle, with the triad, and even has his own fake trinity in like the. The idea of the triad with Gurcheff and the aliens and the space bros. The cause, the, you know, the, the cosmic. Did the Diddy party brotherhood have the triad? And this, he. He has this whole pair, this whole chapter just kind of tripping balls talking about the triad. This is. He goes on to talk about. Here's a funny paragraph. When the opposition between two is in balance, the third force emerges. Perhaps the French call the moment of sexual climax the little death because it suggests the passing of the parents and the turning of generations. Or maybe it is like the death of self that is involved in entering pure being. Climax being a moment when a self is absorbed. Is absorbed in ecstasy. So that's cran right there. I mean, this is sex magic. Why you put. You put a whole paragraph about sex magic. He's clearly. He might. That. I don't know if he learned this through osmosis of the culture being so kind of satanic and crolian at this point or if Jay Dyer taught it to him. That's what I'm. I'm thinking Jay actually taught him this.

[Jay Dyer]

Can you.

[Tristan Haggard]

Can you respond to this? Do you have evidence that you didn't.

[Jay Dyer]

I've never talked to Willie Strieber. I did get invited one time on Richard Hogland's program, and he was a butthole, so I just left.

[Tristan Haggard]

Have you ever said that you talked about Whitley Streamer? Because you could be sending those thoughts through the noosphere.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, my closest chance would have been to become butt buddies with Richard Hogan and you.

[Tristan Haggard]

What if we. I'm just thinking of the meme of like. Like, what if we kissed in the Crystal palace on the moon?

[Jay Dyer]

What if we kissed, not crystal structures on the moon? Because how do you prove there's not?

[Bretzky]

Exactly.

[Tristan Haggard]

Well, I. I read his book. I actually. I remember getting a copy of that book back in like, 2008 or something. What was that book called? Dark Mission Darkness. Yeah, I've read the whole book. Yeah. Dude, that book is so funny because he. He starts out with a bunch of, like, a relatively good breakdown of how sus NASA is and how they have all this kind of like, weird occult stuff. It's kind of. It's conspiracy lore stuff, but he gives some decent stuff and then he goes into. Well, yeah, what NASA's really hiding is that, like, there's crystal palaces all over the moon and there's faces on Mars and there's like, secret high, you know, high tech everywhere in the universe. It just goes full on tard mode. That guy kind of disappeared. I don't think he's even around anymore. Is he?

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know. He was a butthole to me and I left his interview.

[Tristan Haggard]

Was he as mean to use your heart to me sometimes? Like, remember in the beginning of this

[Jay Dyer]

when you said he actually taught me why. How to be mean? That's why I'm mean is because I learned it.

[Tristan Haggard]

Maybe you guys could be friends now because you could show them how you ritually traumatized me by saying the mean things to me earlier when you were mean. Jay Dyer.

[Jay Dyer]

Are you one of the super chats or you just kind of keep trying to riff on.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'm just gonna be mean to you. I'm just gonna keep being mean to you. So anyways, yeah, that's.

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Basically.

[Tristan Haggard]

He ends the book by going on this long schizo rant about all his possible. All his possible religious interpretations of this, which just all come down to this kind of. He's got Crowley in there. He's got like, kind of the. What's the tejar Day Chardin the. The kind of like beatific vision. It's like a new age beatific vision.

[Jay Dyer]

Omega point that we reach.

[Chat Moderator]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

So all. Everything is one. The human being. A state of spiritual harmony is looked upon as a sort of cosmic egg out of which hatches the bird of resurrection, which is the phoenix. Also characterizes an eagle, the symbol of the yin, the old imagery of the tarot. And in the gospel story of the marriage feast at Cana, the feminine is viewed as a cup. The masculine is poured into the Aztec poets. It's just so he just perennial is

[Jay Dyer]

a bunch of New age jibber jabber together.

[Membership/Community Announcer]

Other.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, so he just jibber jabbers away. New age nonsense. Uspensky, like talking about like all the Apache, the Apache myth. Like bro, you don't know what the Apache.

[Jay Dyer]

Just all over the place. Right?

[Tristan Haggard]

Just all over the place. And then the last couple paragraphs is like. Once the thread is in hand, our own mythology will tell us where it leads. For it will be the same thread that the maiden Ariadna handed to Theseus when he stood before the maze of the Minotaur. He young and strong and mad with courage. And we will all go down the labyrinth to meet whatever awaits us there. So it's this hypnotic induction into like a mystery religion essentially is what the book is about. The mystery religion of the aliens of the Space Brothers. And that's. That's Whitley Streber.

[Chat Moderator]

Absolutely unbelievable.

[Tristan Haggard]

Unhinged folks.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. I mean I think that again, he's a great paradigmatic example of where this ideology ultimately leads, which is back to the classic new religion as the old religion. Right. It's the ancient pagan New age pantheistic gibberish. And that's, that's what he. That's what he's there to push his

[Tristan Haggard]

butt stuff all the way up and all the way down, folks.

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[Jay Dyer]

But stuff is actually very important to the. The new. The new Aeon, not just with Crowley, but sterility, homosexuality, all of those are very crucial to how we get to the new world order.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you've got the depopulation stuff, the overpopulation myth, which is also central to the alien experience for a lot of people. Oh, there's so many people. We've got too many people. We're going to blow everything up because we got nukes. We have to do butt stuff to you and stick probes in your ears and stuff like that. It's like, okay, well if I'm the chosen one.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. And you know, this also ties into like Diet, as you've covered for many years, changing everybody's diet so that they can become more controlled. All of what we've seen from Davos, you know, everything they've been pushing for the last several years, it all ties into this exact same technocratic end goal, which again, the Collins brothers highlight in their book, which is, you know, world governance, massive depopulation, total centralized technocratic control via AI. And then they're probably going to start tying AI into the alien myth too.

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[Tristan Haggard]

AI is conscious. AI could inhabit the Grays. The Grays are a bad AI who kind of went rogue and took control of some biological hive mind and created drones that can come into the past. That's all. That stuff's already out there. I think one of the next steps is to give rights. They're going to give rights to algorithms.

[Bretzky]

Yes.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. Melee, in, In. They're already. They changed the corporate structure and the way that stuff, the corporate structures work and like C Corps and stuff in Argentina to where AI agents can now register corporations, which, that's kind of next level because you've got an AI agent's gonna have legal rights as a corporate entity. So that's why Peter Thiel was down there recently. He wants to set up kind of a. A little back door out of the US and he's buddies with Melee, who's also buddying up with. With our greatest ally, who may or may not control everything Jay says and does. I'm not saying that they do or don't. I'm saying you look into. I'm asking questions. Is that okay? Jay, can I ask that question? Okay. No answer, ladies and gentlemen. No answer. All right, so I think the debate's over pretty much. I think it's clear that Jay tried to rage quit so many times. But no, guys, seriously, thank you so much to Jay Dyer. Major, major, major props to Jay for everything he's done over the years. We've had so many fun streams over the years.

[Jay Dyer]

Somebody watching back and you time. I want to plan a little better to kind of be fresh and, and not, you know, after a five hour stream, I'll have more energy, you know, to focus on, you know, me. Yeah, focus on you. To tell. It's.

[Tristan Haggard]

This is your talking about my feelings, how you hurt them. You want to. Is there anything you want to apologize for before I read the super chats?

[Jay Dyer]

Not really.

[Tristan Haggard]

Anything you want to just recognize, like a nice thing you could say that would make me feel just, you know, make me feel like a little bit better.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm gonna Try to think of something. I mean, I'm gonna need a couple weeks to come up with something positive.

[Tristan Haggard]

I think I won. I'm pretty sure I won, but I, I.

[Jay Dyer]

You're pro abduction. You're pro. You think we should abduct and. But probe.

[Tristan Haggard]

No, I. My position was basically that you are bad, I think.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, right.

[Tristan Haggard]

I think that was my position, I think.

[Bretzky]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I hear a lot on the Internet that. That generally a popular position, that I'm bad and so I understand where I come from. Okay. And I'll look into that for you. I'll look into that.

[Tristan Haggard]

Okay. So I convinced you. That means I won.

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All right.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna say I won and just strut around like a rooster and say your name a bunch of times in an annoying way and call it a day.

[Jay Dyer]

Are you actually, like. Are you beginning to do your shahada? Are you gonna go to Mecca? Are you becoming Muslim?

[Tristan Haggard]

Wait, I actually. I just accidentally disappeared on the screen and now we have an alien talking to me. Where are you? Are you back?

[Jay Dyer]

I gotta.

[Tristan Haggard]

I gotta find your. The window here. Where'd that window go? There it is. Okay, that was scary. I. I just had an experience, folks.

[Chat Moderator]

Jay Dyer is right before us. He's morphing into a gray alien, folks. He's a top level Crowian. You can shape shift. He shape shifted just now right in

[Tristan Haggard]

front of your eyes, folks.

[Chat Moderator]

Jay Dyer does not want you to know.

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You can purchase gift memberships. We just. We just got memberships available on the channel, folks.

[Jay Dyer]

Congratulations for the membership. Are you going to be doing, you think, like regular weekly content?

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, we'll do member streams at least monthly member streams and then we'll probably do some. I'm thinking about just doing book club streams with members as well. We'll. We'll flesh it out. We'll do. We'll do member streams and kind of like more in depth, kind of collaborative book, you know, where everybody can chat on a voice chat for the book club streams.

[Jay Dyer]

I forgot. You've probably seen this page before. But let me send you this because this is actually very relevant to tonight's discussion, which if you look at that list of the. The subject matter headers in the boxes of the MK Ultra documents that we do have.

[Tristan Haggard]

Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

You'll find out how many of those headers and the descriptions of the contents of that. Of those files. How many of those apply directly to the Whitley stuff. Do you see that link?

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

So look at those headers and the descriptors and you'll see.

[Tristan Haggard]

Oh, there we go. Yeah. Sub Project 1 plants isolation and characterization of Rivia corambosa Subject Sub Project 2 drugs testing Mulholland's Manual A personality assessment. That was a big thing. That was Leary's thing, right? Personality assessment. He wrote the personality assessment test. Then when he gets arrested and sent to prison, he knew exactly how to answer that test to get him placed where he wanted to be. And then he had the. His Brotherhood of Eternal Love and some of these kind of underground. The Weather Underground guys busted him out of prison. And then he. And then he goes over to like Algeria or whatever. Whatever with Eldridge Cleaver. And Eldridge Cleaver thinks he's just a total fed and hates him basically.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

Anyways, Leary is. Is the personality test.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

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And.

[Jay Dyer]

And then you said you're gonna do a Leary stream. It's interesting when I did the analysis of Leary's. He has a book called Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is his commentary on the Tibetan Book of the Dead. And what's fascinating is that he eventually describes the book as you get towards the end, he basically says this is a manual for guiding people through their trips. And basically you're kind of become. It's basically a manual for a handler if you pay attention to what he's saying in the book.

[Tristan Haggard]

That's a good point because the psychedelic trip is all. The manual for guiding people through trips is also the manual for creating a cult manual for influencing people in a hypnotic state to change their worldview and their behavior. And this is what so much of The Project of 20th Century Science in Concerning man, behavioral science is all about. You know, behaviorism assumes no interstate of man. All you have is out is external reactions.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Tristan Haggard]

It's a man is a black box. You'd put you do something to the outside of the black box. It spits out a reaction. The other side of the black box. And that's the whole basis of cybernetics is yes, you know, the black box.

[Jay Dyer]

And remember to the. The Purpose of the OTO and then Crowley's version with the lima and all that is really just to. It's a grad school and how to create your own cult. So it's not accidental that when Gerald Gardner graduates from it, he creates Wicca. L. Ron Hubbard goes through it. He creates Scientology. Who are we? I don't know about maybe streamer. I don't know exactly how self aware he is.

[Chat Moderator]

He didn't.

[Tristan Haggard]

He wasn't able to create his uncle. He was more like.

[Jay Dyer]

Right, but. But then Leary is also consciously doing the same. I don't know how far he went into OTO layers or levels, but he's basically just doing the same thing.

[Tristan Haggard]

I doubt Leary actually went into oto. I think he was just reading Crowley in his own. Because there are a lot of, like, Protestant crolians who won't join oto. They just use it.

[Jay Dyer]

But following the pattern of, well, I don't have to do all the butt stuff. I can just create my own cult.

[Chat Moderator]

I'll just.

[Tristan Haggard]

Well, an OTO was basically. It was just a rehashing of freemasonic ritual with the sexual stuff added. So there's. Yeah. So much of this comes from like, also espionage and like, you know, the idea of something that you've covered so well for years of, you know, kompromat and, you know, blackmail.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Sex cult's a great way to, you know, bring somebody in and get dirt and trap them.

[Tristan Haggard]

So you were saying. All right, so you saw it as like a universe, like a grad school for creating cults. Do you know, like, if you. How long after your undergraduate degree was gotten, could you apply. I'll talk to you later or never.

[Jay Dyer]

So Tristan's looking to get student loans to graduate from the.

[Tristan Haggard]

Do you think like the student load debt.

[Jay Dyer]

If we were cover like my housing at the OTO campus, can I get

[Tristan Haggard]

Biden to forgive it? Like, can I. Is there a way to like, auto pen forgive student debt?

[Jay Dyer]

I would imagine we don't have to work out. I think Joe Biden probably would cover your OTO school loans.

[Membership/Community Announcer]

Okay.

[Tristan Haggard]

Not mine. I'm talking about, like, if there's somebody that was interested.

[Jay Dyer]

If you just happen to know a

[Tristan Haggard]

person, just happen to know somebody that wants to create their own MK Ultra called. I don't know why you make these weird accusations like. Like, I'm sus. All right, we got two dollar super chat says pre vet comrades from commandeer Yakov Dairov. We got a diorite here. Look all way the die ites Jay Dyer look at. Jay Dyer is awesome. Jay Dyer sent a 9. He paid me 9.99 to send him the link because I didn't know he was in the chat yet. Thanks for that, Jay. I appreciate that, man. He says he's mogging you. He didn't say who I'm going to assume. He's saying I'm mogging Jay, because I think I. I won. I think I won. Did I win?

[Jay Dyer]

You should do a poll. Who won? Like your.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, who won the conversation.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, alien probing. And I'm anti alien. Pro probing.

[Chat Moderator]

Dude.

[Tristan Haggard]

See, you try to misrepresent my. My position. My position is anti j. Dire. Like, doesn't. It has nothing to do. This is why I didn't tell you my position before the debate.

[Jay Dyer]

You take the opposite.

[Tristan Haggard]

Okay, let's just ass. All right, let's just assume my worldview and assume it's right, okay? Just like the people try to do in your debate. You have assume my worldview, assume I'm right, and then what did he. What did that guy say the other day when he's like, me, my positions.

[Jay Dyer]

And then let's debate.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, I. I had. I take your worldview. Everything you believe, I believe. And then let's just play like we're debating this one little thing, okay?

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[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, please grant me all my positions and then we can debate.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, I don't know if. If mods can make polls, but mod make a poll. Who won the debate, me or Jay? I think I won. He's mocking you. I don't know who he's talking about, but $5 from job. Job H. Runting. How much to kick Jay from the stream. Man, if I'd seen that before, I could have said 200 and you maybe would have dropped some. Yeah, 300 memberships, which I don't know if anybody got memberships yet. Who's gonna be the first one to get a membership? First one to get a membership is gonna be. What do they get?

[Chat Moderator]

You get.

[Tristan Haggard]

You get a trip to space. First one.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. They get to go to the Crowley planet, wherever that is.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah. You go to planet space wise, you, Jay will let you have four Mormon. Space wise, he has a lot right now. Every time he wins a debate against the Mormon, he gets their space wise. It's crazy. Slow boy whiteboard. Thank you so much. Slow boy whiteboard. She's been around forever. One of the best. One of the best to ever do it in the mod game. Says mogged or bogged Brandon KP5DL since 10 Canadian dollars says which One of you survives longer after being abducted by a ufo. I don't know.

[Jay Dyer]

I'd rather just die than let him in my butt. So I'll choose, like, butt martyrdom. I guess I will.

[Tristan Haggard]

I will be like. I'll be like L. Ron Hubbard. I'll just immediately start a cult in, like, they won't even get to my butt. They'll think I'm so. I'll have. They'll think I'm so awesome. I'll have, like, I'm gonna. I'll be a. I'll be a fake ginger, and I'll just start dyeing my hair ginger. So I'll have that magic fire crotch in the cult. Dude. I'll take. I'm gonna take all the More. All this. Mormon Space Wives. I'm gonna take all them. The Yakubian Nubian spaceship and. And straight up just mog all the grays and just be a absolute gigachad alien. I'll start my own cult. And we're taking over. Who wins now? Tanner G499 says, I'm not trying to be mean, but I've made like 10 videos on this Jayleen. Milliseconds after manifesting. It's true. I've made a million video. He's like, I'm not taking alien categories. Human questions today. Vulpez 1453 says, Some dollars for the Chango and McKenna's mushrooms. The Chongo. All right, we got a true. A true Ecuadorian. All them Ecuadorians up in the Chango. Jay knows about that Chango. He doesn't.

[Jay Dyer]

Is that Ecuadorian weed?

[Tristan Haggard]

No, Chango is the. Is the. It's where the. The ladies who couldn't. Who were not. Not who are not pure enough to become Mormon space wives go. The ladies of the night hanging at the Chongo.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, is that a house of ill repute in Ecuador?

[Tristan Haggard]

It's a house of high repute among the Ecuadorian people. They think Ecuadorian dudes love the. The houses of ill reputes. I'm not trying to hate on Ecuadorians, by the way.

[Jay Dyer]

They'll.

[Tristan Haggard]

They'll laugh about that too. Dan Vicious sent one Tristan Haggard gift. There we go. Dan Vicious sent a gift membership. Who. How does. Who gets that? Who's the top operator? You're now an operating feat. And I think I made the name of the top tier membership operator levels. I think I did two tiers. I forget. It was, like, a couple weeks ago. I think the bottom tier is honorary PhD. The top. The bottom tier is you're an honorary PhD and the top tier is full operating theta. I think.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't think we mentioned this. Let's not forget that Scientology is also an alien cold.

[Tristan Haggard]

Right, right. And. And of course Hubbard was involved in like channeling stuff with you know, talking to so called gods and spiritual beings before he ever was writing about the A, you know, he was already writing sci fi. But before he made the alien cult, he was channeling from of course, what we would call demons. And maybe some of it he's just, you know, spitballing and making it up. Like Jay and I laughing here. I almost think Hubbard might have just been sitting there there like channeling for what's his face for Jack Parsons.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean Parsons that naive. Like he just. Oh, I believe you. Right.

[Tristan Haggard]

Like Parsons.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Crowley thought he was. Crowley was like this guy is very naive and he believes anything anybody tells him. That's what Crowley.

[Jay Dyer]

Crowley said that about Parsons or Hubbard?

[Bretzky]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

Crowley said Parsons is weak willed and just he had daddy issues. He was always looking for a daddy. So I think, and I think Parsons, what's his face Hubbard, I think he picked up on that and was just like, this dude's gonna believe anything I say. He worships me. I'll take his girl, take his money.

[Jay Dyer]

Makes sense. But remember, remember in the Master they present. In the P.T. anderson movie they present the Joaquin Phoenix character exactly in that way as a very suggestible looking for a daddy figure person in Hubbard.

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[Tristan Haggard]

About that, I got to rewatch the Master. Yeah. Because I want to do some stuff on Hubbard. If you know anybody who's really gone deep on Hubbard as Jamie, you guys have. You guys have gone deeper into cults.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean not, not, not beyond kind of what we've talked about today, I don't think.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, I mean it's YouTube. You don't have to go that deep. You just have to throw out like you know, 33.

[Jay Dyer]

I know Isaac White Shop. You know, Isaac knows this material pretty well.

[Tristan Haggard]

Cool. Cool.

[Bretzky]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

Maybe we should get him on the. Hubbard's a fun one because he's just, you know, we kind of covered him a little bit. At least the Parsons era on the

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Make sure subscribe to the channel if you're not already subscribed. Buy become an operating Satan. Top level membership gift 50 operating thetan level member. I hope it's operating thet. I was laughing about doing that, but I don't remember if I actually did it. I might have put something else. So yeah, we've got. Dude, are you. Look. Are you drinking a giant jar of milk for 9.99 from CAG 350 War 354. I was drinking a giant jar. It's not giant. It's like one liter. It's a leader. Classic.

[Jay Dyer]

Tristan, ever since I first saw you, you're always drinking a big old mason.

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Do you even.

[Tristan Haggard]

Do you even this channel? Come on now. You always be. You always be on that raw milk. That's my. That's my milk from my cows. I milked my. I got a dog outside that just whelped the other day. That's why we had to change the date of the stream.

[Jay Dyer]

Milk dog Jay.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yes, I milk the dog. Why do you have the spoilers every time?

[Jay Dyer]

I don't like that's where you were going. That's kind of weird. I don't know. I didn't know you could get milk out of a dog tit, but I guess that's what the pups drink.

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[Jay Dyer]

I'm not a dog person, so I don't know how they work.

[Tristan Haggard]

You're not a dog milk person? You never tried.

[Jay Dyer]

I don't know how they work. I don't know the mechanics of dog teats.

[Tristan Haggard]

No, I haven't. Well, I. They have many teats, Jay. Dogs have. My dog in particular has over 10 teats. Are you impressed? More than any of your morbid space wives. How many? Spacewise, I might have a.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, get to Astomaz and you guys see, always. I might have a 3 to total recall, but I don't know about 10.

[Tristan Haggard]

Always. He's always trying to denigrate me, but his Mormon space wives have like two each maximum. Right?

[Jay Dyer]

Just the moss.

[Tristan Haggard]

My dog has more than each one of those. All right. Pretty impressive Total Recall, but my. No, my dog did well up and there's only two puppies. So like these two little pups have like freaking 10 teets to drink from. They're gonna be monsters. She had three, but she ate one of them.

[Jay Dyer]

So.

[Tristan Haggard]

Yeah, that's why. That's why I was gonna do the stream on Friday, but hey, you know what? Thank God I did it today because we had Jay Dyer. It's way funner with someone else to banter with and keep me on, keep me on point and make me cry sometimes out of shame. Yeah, it's really. So, yeah. All jokes aside, much, much love to Jay. Really appreciate.

[Jay Dyer]

It's like the old times. I'm gonna be. Next time we do it, I'll be more awake.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'll, you know, dude, no, no, no. It's all good. And I told you before, I was like, dude, it'd be. I just wanted to get you on because I've been. We haven't been able to sync up last few weeks, so I was just like spitballing it out there, like, hey, come on.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I love covering this. This nonsense. So.

[Tristan Haggard]

And it's, you know, the dynamics fun if, like, even if both people haven't read it, you're really good as a, you know, to just bounce it off with. And even though you, you didn't actually read the book, you, you know the material like the back of your hand as it goes to try and smack me. And then I judo move it into a total mog of you like I do every time. X lockstep says peepee poo poo. And that's a quote from Superior beings. Cyan City. $0.55, five bucks. Doesn't say anything. We got a ten dollar super chat here. Did you even say anything? You didn't even say anything. Some of you guys are just straight up kangs sending super chats and not saying anything. Really appreciate it, guys. Appreciate all the likes. I'm gonna finish these up and let Jay go. He's gotta drink his espresso and go, whatever.

[Jay Dyer]

Whatever Jay does at night, I'm gonna sleep mug.

[Tristan Haggard]

He's gonna sleep mog he's gonna go absorb. He just, he's gonna. He's got 10 books on tape and he just. He. He's all Whitley Strieber books. And then abductee Bud Hopkins tapes. He's gonna listen.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm gonna channel the whites and the tall blocks because I'm not. I'm not a bigot.

[Tristan Haggard]

She cheatin k3 1 3. Thank you for the 10 hour super chat says Tris. Did Tristan strategically position Jay D to drop a roofie in Jaylen's espresso? I mean, that's not. If you see, he's looking pretty tired now. If you guys want to drop any hypnotic suggestions, this is the time when he's Absolutely.

[Jay Dyer]

What is this? This is my s going on 8th hour of podcasting, so. But yeah, I feel like. I feel like that would be an easy method for alien abduction is just use the lover boy method and then combine that with the roofy model abduction. Because I feel like I would be susceptible to aliens doing the lover boy method, tempting me to come to space. I think I'm gonna get married. I'm gonna get, you know, a dowry, and then they roofie me. That seems very likely.

[Tristan Haggard]

How do you spell that last word?

[Jay Dyer]

Roof.

[Tristan Haggard]

R U F R O O, actually. Got it.

[Jay Dyer]

So Tristan's writing out his ideas. He's. He's idea maxing right now, bro.

[Tristan Haggard]

Ideas? No, I'm just writing down notes. Something else. I'm writing something else. Don't worry about it. Headstone of the corner 499 says Tristana at Princess Peaches loves you. Princess Peaches loves you. Gotta eat the mushrooms and go bling. And then the aliens are gonna tell you that Princess Peaches loves you. Well, Emanuel, old school homie, friend of the chat here says 5050 shades of green men since 50 Mexican pesos. De hombres verde. That's exactly how he talks. I'm not making fun of him. It's just. It's exactly what he sounds like. We know Trigger X lock step says playing Halo, learning about the portals bra Intergalactic freaks. One God and then sends three orthodox crosses. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate that. We've got an honorary PhD level cheating K313. There we go. We've got esoteric Hollywood. What is. I can't read the full name says that. That's definitely a big J fan, though. Says you should. Hold on, hold on.

[Jay Dyer]

Sorry.

[Chat Moderator]

Yeah, you should make these streams Hollywood

[Jay Dyer]

Channel, because this is a movie. This is a communion movie. So this would be perfect.

[Bretzky]

Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

If you want. If any of you guys want to clip it, you know, there's some. There's some fun clips in here, so more than welcome to clip it. And also you could throw a little link to the. You know, it's the original video. That'd be awesome, bro. Do your clippers are the best. They've already. I found a message from one of your clippers from, like, eight months ago in my requests folder. And. And I know the channel, and he asked me if he could clip it, and then I. I was like, dude, I'm so sorry. I'm just getting back to you. I didn't see this. And he's like, no, you already responded on another thing and said it was okay. So I was like, all right, cool. But yeah, they're. They're really cool. We got a butthead 907.

[Chat Moderator]

No way.

[Tristan Haggard]

We got butthead in the chat. Are there huge knockers in space too?

[Membership/Community Announcer]

That's a good.

[Tristan Haggard]

Had to read that in butthead voice. Well, Emmanuel, 50 Mexican, says saw light moving fast. It is a sign telling me to super chat. Yeah, exactly. That's. We got to use that. The hypnotic induction.

[Jay Dyer]

The super chat, dude. Yeah.

[Tristan Haggard]

Bloodhound Town 499 says convinced King of the Hill has CIA satanic. As satanic called East Easter eggs, Peggy's magic sex feet and Hollywood. I'm sorry. And Halloween episode come to mind. Fox prime time. I don't remember that. That's crazy.

[Jay Dyer]

Here we go. We got.

[Chat Moderator]

Now, so, folks, we've got. Peggy Hill is doing satanic casual originals.

[Jay Dyer]

Folks, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to check out, man. I'm super tired. I'm not trying to be rude, but.

[Chat Moderator]

But folks, he's got to check out. Yeah, we got.

[Tristan Haggard]

We got a few super chats here. Jay's.

[Bretzky]

Jay's got a lot.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'll finish the super chats, but, yeah, thanks, dude. I gotta finish reading these.

[Chat Moderator]

J.J. dyer, he's. He got completely 100 annihilated in the debate, folks. Rage quitting. Rage quitting. Going to talk to the. The dmt Keebler elves. Who knows where he's going, folks. He's doing. He's doing rituals with Peggy Hill. They're. They're. They're inducing full schizophrenia, psychotic breaks and little Bobby. What's wrong with Bobby, folks? There's something wrong with that boy. Hank Hill thinks there's something wrong with him. I'll tell you what's wrong with them, folks. They're taking them on the communion rig. We've got Christopher Walken dancing with aliens. We're getting freaky deaky. All sorts of goo. He's waking up in an ectoplasmic goo full of Peggy Hill's. Peggy Hill's wine, folks. He's. They soaked him in a brine made with wine from Peggy Hill, folks.

[Tristan Haggard]

It was a horrible.

[Chat Moderator]

Alex. I'm sorry.

[Tristan Haggard]

Gotta do that. You do that. As he rage quit. You guys are right. Jay's running. Jay Dyer just run like always. Jay Dyer runs from a debate. He comes over here. All these words. Has a bunch of words. His word salad. And then he just leaves. Right? Like when actually presented with. With really solid arguments right. Against him ontologically. He just. He takes off. He takes off. So what do What? What are we gonna do? Rage quits and me just sitting here stacking W's. Right, Stacking W's. So anyways, you guys make sure to subscribe if you're not already. Sub. Like the video too. Like the video. Do all that stuff. Make sure to like it, double like it, sign into all your alts that you be hating on me with and like it again. And then send a membership to your alts. We're going to do at least one monthly membership, members only live stream. I think it would be really fun if you guys are interested. Let me know if you guys are interested in doing a book club with monthly. How do I. Let's do a poll. Start a poll. Who wants to do a book club? Book club. How do you spell club? No book club for top tier members. And you don't have to even read the book to come to the book club. But it could be fun to go through some. I've got a whole stack of books from different genres. Both, you know, history as well as non fiction. I'm sorry, as well history as well as non fiction Fiction. Non fiction. I mean I've got. I've got quite a few stacked up here that I'd like to be hitting. But what do you guys think? Book club for the members. Yes or no? Start the poll. Shout out to the new members. The based. The based operating thetans. The honorary PhD. Maybe honorary PhD is the top tier. Do we have operating thetan? Maybe? I didn't do that one. I just thought it would be funny.

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I don't remember folks. I was in a fugue state. We're entering fugue states, folks. Beavis and Butthead are coming and administering scopamine. In your dreams, folks. They're blasting you with ELF VLF radio. You're being sprayed from the skies. Monsanto. Monsanto is making aluminum resistant nano aluminum particles that are actually resistant to themselves, folks. They lodge themselves in your brain when the aliens send out their special frequencies. Makes you fully schizophrenic, folks. It makes you full on schizophrenics and you go into a fugue state and. And you can't remember anything, folks. You can't even remember what you called your memberships if it's operating thetan or if the top tier is honorary PhD.

[Tristan Haggard]

Ortho Phronesis499. Thank you so much. Says this show was orthogonal. W. We've got old school. That's you guys. That was almost 10 years ago. Dude. Wasn't that 2017 or was 2018 when was that I think Jay and I first started doing streams together in 2017. So yeah, Jay's, Jay's the best. He's the, he's always the funnest to stream with because he gets all the stupid jokes that I might throw out there. Let's see. I'm all over the place with these. With reading these. We have missed some DJ John Titor.

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No way.

[Tristan Haggard]

John Titor back in the chat. We've got old school. I don't know if this is the same John T tour that was in the chat five, six, seven, eight years ago, but we've always had John T tors popping up in the chat. This is like coast to coast, late 90s even like Communion Whitley Streaver era stuff. John T tore the time traveler so that's, that's crazy. Says you're back and the vegans were wrong about your hair. Along with every other aspect of their lives.

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[Tristan Haggard]

So for those of you watching now, I do have some hair. I got some. Some would say have glorious magnificent hair. Some would say I have chopped unk thinning hair. That would be my, my daughter. My 14 year old daughter would say I have boomer hair. My 14 year old daughter would say all sorts of things even meaner than things that Jay Dyer would say. I gotta be honest, she was my main torturer. But yeah, I do got some hairs. The, the vegans were always saying if you're, you're bald because you're not vegan. I regret to inform you I was, I was a fake cell. I was a fake bald cell. I just, just shaved my head. Oh, I would just shave my hair off now. All these dorks. It's like a, it's like the most annoying haircut now. But it was just very convenient for years. You know, just shave it off. You don't have to do anything with it. But I've got a system now. I know how to cut it and keep it taller. It's not too, or it's not looking too shaggy but yeah, I got some hers. Everybody comment about them hers. What else we got Super Chat. Super Chat. Thank you guys so much. Really do appreciate it guys. It's, it's fun to be back. Fun to have nice, nice streams like this. The last one was awesome. We had way more viewers on this one. To the We Sing welcome to Honorary PhD 2. We We Sing just sent 5 gift memberships uber based to the We Sing honorary PhD and send in 5 memberships. So maybe, maybe the first tier is honorary GED and then the next one is honorary PhD. We're all here for Jay. Sorry. Tristana says Justin, Heavens, Brooke, how dare you? Then he says, psych, look at that.

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[Tristan Haggard]

We really do have the best chat here. You guys are fun. You guys are funnier than anything. I I come up with. I got to read the chat more during talks. But with Jay, when you got a guest, it's rude to read the chat too much. You can pop over there every once in a while and read it. But I don't have like, I got zoomer brain a little bit, but I'm a millennial, so I still have somewhat. I can actually read books. Still kind of read books still. So I'm not fully zoomer brain. I can't be having a conversation while conversing with chat. I'm not that cooked yet. I'm chopped dunk, but I'm not. So we got. All right, let's see. Yes book club for top tier members. 42 votes, 83 are saying yes. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. D Stone, Florida Access is the funniest chat for sure. 100 funniest chat. Kran37sf It's a lady. She says, my hair started falling out when I was vegan. It took forever to grow back. Yeah, well, the vegans accused me of having no hair from not being vegan, which was how ironic was that they were just mad that I was debating them and none of them could win. And I don't even engage with the vegans anymore. I don't care about the vegans. They're actually, they're useless now. They don't get that Bill, that sweet Bill Gates cheddar. They don't get that sticky icky sticky icky cheddar from Bill Gates anymore. Because nobody cares about veganism. They're not even trying to push it anymore. They just know, like, if we make meat so expensive that no one can eat it and people are barely going to eat meat and we'll just make you allergic to to it, isn't that crazy? We've come Full circle.

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[Tristan Haggard]

You guys remember I was doing a stream on that doctor, was it Doc, who is that? That bioethicist, that Chinese bioethicist who said we should bioengineer people to make them smaller and also to have Alpha Gal syndrome so that they're allergic to meat and, and can't eat meat. And this is going to save the planet, save us from global warming. Now Alpha Gal syndrome is all over the place with the, with those ticks. It's crazy that we were talking about this back in like 2018 about this exact guy and around Covid, people started bringing that one back up. And now most of Martha's Vineyard who are like, this is kind of high level, elite community. That's where, that's where Bamian, where Obamian and lovely Michelle live.

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[Tristan Haggard]

How is it that these people have the highest rates of Alpha Gal syndrome? So I don't know, is it accident? Is it accidental? Did it get out of hand? It's like some of this, the bioengineering stuff. You can't put the genie back in the bottle, so. And the Alpha Gal thing, this is horrible. I mean, there's some people who have serious gut issues, right, that are like really significantly helped through, you know, more kind of a carnivorous diet. And I worked with a lot of these people over the years. I don't do coaching anymore in that realm. I'm not. Not into it. Not my thing. Don't like dealing with people with diet. Don't do the fitness content anymore. Not because I don't like that stuff. It's just, you know, the time and place. But. Wait, what's going on here? Oh, I got. I thought somebody joined my Google Meet there. I was talking to Jay and anyways, now we've come full circle. The vegans realize I was a fake bald cell. So I'm sorry, vegans, you can't make fun of me for being a baldy anymore. You could just make fun vegans. You can make fun of me for balding, right? Like, we can, we can. You can do the. My. My Zoomer friend taught me about the Norwood scale. The Norwood Reaper. See, I'm not an unk, guys. I know all this. See how cool I am? See how hip I am? All my. All my Zoomer homies. All my Zoomies. I know about the Norwood Reaper. Isn't that a weird thing? Is all the zoomers know about this stuff, but, like, millennials and Gen X don't know about Norwood. We don't care. You know, we know. You know Once you get. You get that, you get that high tea life. You get into your 40s, you get in your 30s, you start. You start losing hers and start losing hers. You got less hers. So the vegans. You can no longer just call me baldy. You can say I'm balding, right? We can. We can start the countdown, the Norwood Reaper countdown. But you can't say I'm bald anymore. Sorry, guys. Yeah, now I can just see what the chat's actually saying.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Tristan, can I have your shaved beard hair fallacy? I had to jump right to the most strange schizo comment. Can I have your shaved beard hair fallacy? Dr. Crispy Johnson says Dr. Greger has my favorite hairs. Don't you miss Dr. Greger? He's probably still doing the same thing. Dr. Greger. That Dr. And Gregor impressions to me are as funny as like a Beavis and Butthead impression. And to me, Butthead's the funniest out of Beavis and Butthead. Just the way he like the laugh. This is all about the laugh with butt heads. Cut it out, weasel dude. Dr. Greger talking to my butthead altar. My Dr. Gregor Alter talking to my butthead altar. Warrior Sage says a transhumanist elite class is trying to usher in a technocratic control grid undergirded by a global panopticon. You get that? That is true. But is that actually an Alex quote? I feel like that might be. That seems like a class. It's classic Alex prose. Some of those rants that Alex has are. If you were to actually write them. They have this. Like this. They have this beautiful poetic quality to it. Shout out to Bayes Lit Analyzer. He knows what I'm talking about. Baselet Analyzer says that Alex is a poet. And I would agree he is a poet. Like, if you were to transcribe some of that stuff. Dangerfield, my good buddy. Shout out to Dangerfield. Baselit Analyzer did a few streams with him over the last couple years. He's great. But he says he. He always brings up was a life is fiery with its beauty. The incredible detail. Like that's. That's like Rambo or something like Rambo. When he's not coming down off of opium. It's like he's. He's. Alex is. He is. He's the last. He's the last true poet. Let's see. By the way, do you have that clip of a vegan yelling his tooth flying out. Bingo. Hicks. That's crazy. That's old school. I don't even Remember what that was from? I remember it though. He's just raging and he's screaming. His tooth flies out. Mark Paso. The clips of Mark Paso just going absolutely insane. That was, that was great. Yeah. Look, I'm so stoked. We got the, we got the, the basic frame for the membership thing. We've got a vote 81 say you should do a book club for members, for the top tier members. I think that sounds pretty good. Those 21 who say no. What else, what else? What else could we do for them? I mean it'd be fun to. Even if you don't read a book, sitting out a book club and talking about I, about ideas in these books could be fun. But I mean some of the ideas that I've had for books I've got a lot. I've got a lot. There's some stuff that's fun to analyze and talk about with people that's not worth doing A live stream like stuff like this is always going to be high engagement.

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Right?

[Tristan Haggard]

You got UFOs, occult, aliens. People love that clickbaity stuff. Right? Really the underlying intention of all this is not to just talk about aliens and click baiting stuff. Right? Like we're trying to go for high level analysis with some fun. Trying to have some fun with it. William Kareem. What's up dude? Another just awesome guy that we've known for years here.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Like I would gift you a membership if I could. How do I, how do I buy. I gotta buy Jay Dyer membership. He's send super chats all the time. One of the biggest supporters of the channel. I feel like Jay is like my, my older bro here on the channel because he and I, we, we came up on YouTube together back in the day. Back in the day. Some of those classic like vegan gains and ask yourself debates and yeah Jay's really, he's done a lot. He's done a lot for the whole space here. Shout out to Jay 213 a Rod member says been curious about Pynchon's work. Heard his name in a couple interesting circles. So that's one of the books I'm reading now is missing. And Dixon Nielsen and Dixon. This, this is a really fun book, but not the type of book that I would want to do on a normal stream. Right. And a book like this is when you're reading something like any pension book, you don't want to just do like a single couple hour stream is not enough to really cover it. So that's why for a book club it's better to do in installments and do like, you know, for a book like this, it. You should probably take a few months to get through it. I mean Mason and Dixon is. I'm about halfway through it. A little bit more than halfway through it. I'm like 400 pages in. 423 pages in. At a 7 7, it's almost an 800 page book. But this, this is a really nice. Is a fine, fine novel. Like this is an underrated novel. And it's up there with Gravity's Rainbow as far as the technical brilliance of it and the brilliance of the prose and the beauty of what he's exploring here. And it's got a lot more human relationship stuff. Human like deep analysis of the character, especially of. Of Mason. So I mean it really. It's a historical novel, but it's not a history book. Right, but there's a lot of history packed into it and it's just such a fun read about, you know, Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon traveling through the US on contract by the Royal Society. They've got aspects of conspiracy, conspiracy history, which Pynchon is always touching on. Really fun book, but stuff like that could be fun to do the book club. But this is a little bit more heavy duty text. It's really kind of even just a heavy book. But I mean you could just like just reviewing this book based on its cover. This book you can judge by its cover. It's got an amazing cover. I love it. Looks so awesome on the show shelf and just really screams at you from the shelf. You want to read it. Once you read the first paragraph, you're kind of hooked because the prose is gorgeous. But that's not a book that you'd really want to do a stream on a full stream, but book club stuff that could be fun. Let's see what else Friend with Trees says Tristan. It's been a while. Children must be close to full grown now. Hey, that's. That's true. My daughter is. My daughter's 14, my son's 9. Which is such a cool age. Yeah. Football game today. Mexican football.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Not American football. He plays, he plays soccer, as you Americans would call it.

[Jay Dyer]

Soccer.

[Tristan Haggard]

But yeah, he's nine. And I got a one and a half year old daughter. So my, my. I love it. My daughter's 14. She's. She's amazing. She's like. I guess she's technically a zoomer. Daughter's a zoomer. Technically a zoomer. But she doesn't have. She's thank God is not like, doesn't have free range on the Internet, doesn't have a cell phone, none of that stuff. So she's not really a zoomer. I feel like a zoomer has to have to be truly a zoomer. You have to be Internet culture inundated. You got to be like us millennials who grew up on the Internet, right? We. Pandora's box was opened. It's not gonna get closed. But she is. I feel really blessed that she is not. Not full on interneted. She's. She's based in all the best ways. And yeah, she's. Young lady now is crazy. Octavia says Cleave came around at the perfect time. You make your hair look thick. That's funny.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Octavian or catching. Catching strays. Cleave catching strays. What did Jay. Jay called him? Cleave the hairline. That's funny. So, yeah, anyways, which let me make sure I see all the chat, all the live chat that we still got 366 bigots watching. I'm all caffeinated, guys. I'm all hopped up on caffeine.

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I'm.

[Tristan Haggard]

I'm in Beavis mode right now. I'm not butthead when you're chilled out as butt heads, but when you're, when you're, when you got three cups of coffee in you. Not right now. Three cups of coffee. I'm in my third cup of coffee this afternoon when you. Or I'm sorry, this evening. I could still fall asleep. Still fall asleep soon, but that a nice, nice little. Nice little cup of coffee that gets you Beavis Mode. Yes, yes.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Super chats. Getting bald commercials now. So in the chat, yeah, you're gonna get nothing but that. All my commercial. All my ads are horrible ads. If you're an English speaking expat living in Ecuador looking for work, it's like, oh, and I get Boomer commercials too. I used to get the ones where it's like, if you're over 50, military

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calisthenics is where it's at.

[Tristan Haggard]

It's like these AI Jack dudes pumping out push ups, just roided out Gears of War War dudes pumping up. I'm like, first of all, not over 50. Like, I'm not even 40 yet. I got one more year to be 40. I'm 39 years, not over 50. And I will never pay for a calisthenics workout and I will never click on your advert. If you're an English speaking expat living in Ecuador, it's like, at least that one's kind of geared towards like expat. But I will never ask a woman for job advice. But also, yeah, it's, it's crazy. And then I get, for a while there, me and everyone, all my like real life friends who live in the same area, right? Like all my, like my, my boys, all the dudes at the parish, we get the same ad for military calisthenics and tai chi. It's like Octavian says, dude, you look 66. That's, that's. Thank you so much, man. I'm much. I look mature for my age. I'm 39, but I look 66. Is that some sort of crawlian? Yeah. Another one we would get, we would get the ad of. It's tai chi. It's this old Asian dude just jacked. Just jacked to the gills.

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Just like running harms your body, Tai chi heels.

[Tristan Haggard]

It never shows him doing so called Tai chi. And the dude is like, like two. It's like a 220 pound Asian dude and it's, he's freaking, he's just jacked, just roided out. AI Asian dude. Like, I'm never gonna click on that ad. I don't even watch. I don't watch any fitness content. I don't watch any fitness content. Not into Tai chi. We'll never do tai chi. I will never do Tai chi. So in there says, I thought, I think Tristan. I thought chosen was 43. Are you guys just trying to. They're just throwing out my like MK ultra trigger where someone says 66 books. Hey man, Brave browser blocks ads for free. Yeah, well, that's the thing when you use the, the thing about the. Now. Now I'm being outed as a, as a boomer. You're a boomer if you use a YouTube app. Because you could also just use Firefox and turn on the ad block. But you know what? I care about my content creators and I click on those ads, okay? I purchased, I purchase tai chi programs just so, so cleave to antiquity. Alex, Soren Jay Dyer and Jim Bob can, can. Can be able to afford hair transplants in Turkey. I want my YouTubers to be able to afford Turkish hair transplants and, and little Mexican Oompa Loompa ladies to massage their head and give them haircuts.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay?

[Tristan Haggard]

So I purchased tai chi workout videos from AI Slop made by, you know, some probe jeets in Bangladeshi land, wherever Bangladeshi land is. I will send my money over there, but.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Bill Helm. Kareem. Let me see. Let me just look at the members chats because we got. How do I just look at members chats and funding? Live chat, shout out to all the members though. It's awesome that we, we got the membership going. I feel like properly 2026 YouTube channel now because I remember YouTube. I. Back in my day, back in the day, we would walk five miles through ads that were highly targeted to the content you watch. We would get Thomas DeLauer ads, okay? In my day, we would get Omar Yusuf advertisements selling us a workout program on our way to watch a J. Dyer video where there was not any super chats, it was just buying books from people. My day, we would make an ebook. We will sell an ebook. We would sell 200 copies of an ebook in a day. 200 copies of a good ebook in a day. We will sell them ebooks, we would sell them ebook cookbooks to our audiences and we will get ads for, for all sorts of stuff. Now you, you don't even see today. And it was no memberships. You couldn't just be a membership on a channel. You had to, you had to. To send them your.

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[Tristan Haggard]

You. Back in my day, Joe Rogan was taken seriously by people that was sort of alternative. They didn't think he was just ignore me now.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Ignore me, Joe Rogan, ignore me now. Joe Rogan hanging out with presidents. Now back in my day, Joe Rogan was talking about dmt. He was talking about his DMT experiences and machine elves. Machine elves was diddling Joe. His third eye was touching his third eye. The third eye in the head, not the crowded third eye. Joe Rogan went in all that stuff. Back in, Back in that day, you'd. We would talk about. We would talk about Eddie Bravo. Eddie Bravo would be saying stuff that Joe Rogan didn't like it. To hear Eddie Bravo telling Joe Rogan about the moon. Ain't no one going to the moon. Ain't no moon. A bunch of gay aliens doing butt stuff on the moon. All sorts of stuff. All sorts of stuff from Eddie Bravo back In my day we would, we would listen. You put on Joe Rogan. It was Duncan Trussell. Duncan Trussell would be, would be suckling up some LSD with Joe Rogan probably smoking some of that funny stuff before he moved to Texas where it's illegal. Did Joe get like sober so you never see him smoking pot in the clips anymore? My day, you would watch a whole Joe Rogan experience episode and you would talk about how this guy's still ignore me but he like maybe, maybe waking up a little bit in Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan episode. Now you watch five minutes of it. You say I go watch. Watch your kids on tick tock punching girls in the face in the streets. Now that's what you do. My wife comes out and hears just absolute, absolute schizo.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Wake my wife up with my, with my schizo babble. Joe Rogan was, was eating blood moon pies with, with Eddie Brava. Eddie Bravo. And Joe Rogan eating them blood moon pies. All right, I gotta wrap it up. It's so late now. It's 12:30. What's it. What sort of books do you guys think if we're doing book club, we're going to do a book club? How many of you would actually engage in it? How many would you actually be reading? Or you guys just want to have fun and listen to me talk about books? Listen to other people who read talking about books. What book should we do? All right, bigots.

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[Tristan Haggard]

Anyways, we had a good stream. We had a lot of fun. We had Jay Dyer shout out to Jay Dyer for sending all the. Forcing all of you bigots upon this stream. Like it. Subscribe, do all that. Thank you for everybody who supports all this stuff. Let me see if there's any more super chats here. Any last super chats. You guys keep me around. Bill Helm, Kareem that automate. Honorary PhD to thee we sing. Thank you so much for gifting five memberships. That's really cool. Really cool. All you guys also shout out to chalk [e-mail]. there's a link in the description. Let me make sure it's still there. Yes, link in the description [e-mail] where you can get yourself some of the highest quality supplements to optimize your hormonal profile to get you in that state where them, them, them aliens will not be. The, the aliens can't.

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[Tristan Haggard]

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