Pt 3 DEBATECON 8 REACTION! Wilson / Dinesh, Dyer vs Jake, Rachel/NotsoErudite, IP, Godlogic, 1 Vs 5!

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis: DEBATECON 8 Reaction! (Pt 3)

Episode Summary
Date: August 4, 2026
Host: Jay Dyer
Guests/Commentators: Andrew Wilson, Rachel Wilson, Kyla (NotsoErudite), Dinesh D’Souza, Jake Rattlesnake, others

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Overview

This episode features Jay Dyer’s detailed, often humorous and critical post-game reaction to major debates broadcast at DebateCon 8. Jay brings together clips and live commentary focusing on the sharpest moments from Andrew Wilson vs. Dinesh D’Souza, Dyer vs. Jake, the chaotic “1 vs 5” hot-seat roasts, and a heated showdown between Rachel Wilson and Kyla (NotsoErudite). The dominant themes are the clash between feminism and patriarchy, society’s demographic crisis, the definitions and intent behind major ideological movements, and the philosophical and theological underpinnings of political debates—especially the heated question of Christian support for Israel.

The tone is a mix of sharp critique, sarcasm, meta-commentary, and spirited philosophical engagement.

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Key Segments & Highlights

The Rachel Wilson vs. Kyla (NotsoErudite) Debate

Feminism, Patriarchy, and the Demographic Collapse

• Defining Feminism (48:04–54:56)

  • Rachel proposes “feminism” as empowerment and the promotion of femininity, but Jay and Kyla critique her for vagueness and historical amnesia.
  • Jay: “I think of [feminism] as something necessarily tied to revolution… it’s a historical revolutionary movement tied to socialism and Marxism. That’s what it is.” (54:24)
  • Kyla criticizes Rachel for using “feminism” as an elastic term for anything that helps women, calling it “so ambiguous that they could mean anything… It’s a historical socialist movement. What are you talking about?” (56:05)

• Feminism vs. Modernization—What Causes Birth Rate Declines? (42:01–64:44)

  • Rachel and Jay argue the demographic collapse is primed by feminism’s push for women into higher education and the workforce.
  • Rachel: “Women’s access to higher education… that’s the number one correlate to declining birth rates in a nation.” (42:01)
  • Kyla: “Declining birth rate is not feminism, it’s modernization.” (63:32)
  • Jay: “I’m not blaming every economic problem on feminism. I’m blaming one economic problem, the only one that matters, which is demographics.” (61:49)

• Jay’s Critique of Solutions Offered

  • Kyla suggests policies like subsidized childcare, tax credits, IVF technology as fixes.
  • Jay and Jake Rattlesnake call this wishful thinking, critiquing with examples from Israel, Finland, Hungary.
  • Jake: “This is essentially like bringing a mop to a flood.” (69:25)

• Mic Drop—The Philosopher Pop Quiz (73:35–74:07)

  • Notable Exchange:
    • Kyla quizzes Rachel about philosophers to expose a lack of grounding.
    • Jay drops: “Could you name one work by Aristotle and one by Hegel?”
    • Rachel: “Aristotle would be the five dialogues.”
    • Kyla/Jay: “That’s Plato. Yes. So who had the last word?”
    • Jake Rattlesnake: “Maybe think twice before you start doing the philosophy pop quiz…” (74:07)

Quotable Roast & Commentary

• Kyla: “She started yapping and naming all this stuff, and I start noticing she doesn’t know any of this… That’s a form of deception. You’re a suit.” (50:25)
• Jay: “Your ideas are not worthwhile because you’re a suit.” (13:38)

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1 vs. 5 Hot Seat & "Bloodsport" Debates (23:01–31:40)

• Jay describes the format as “no holds barred, bloodsport style… it was the craziest debate experience I’ve ever had, ever.” (26:17)
• Emphasis on chaos, confrontational humor, viral potential: “If this doesn’t go viral, I don’t know what to do. This will be clipped into infinity. This is gonna go crazy.” (29:45)
• Roasting: “About three minutes in I realize she isn’t even listening to what’s coming out of my mouth… so I might as well just start roasting her.” (24:09)

Notable Quotes

• “Dude, his chin is going like a damn weed eater… I thought he was going to short circuit.” (29:45)
• “You got to come up with a joke or something. You’re just stealing my drip.” (6:31)

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Andrew Wilson vs. Dinesh D’Souza:

Should Christians Support Israel? (75:43–101:18)

The Core Argument (76:47–89:05)

• Andrew characterizes Israel as “a secular liberal state” with public policy at odds with traditional Christian ethics: widely accepted abortion, LGBT rights, support for trans healthcare, etc.
• Andrew: “Why would we support other nations which codify these things as law any more than we would Sharia law?” (78:13)
• Dinesh attempts multiple analogies to justify support (the “my ranch is surrounded by outlaws” variation).
• Andrew presses: “Do I have a right to go over to my neighbor and demand that he help? … By itself, no.” (80:46)
• Dinesh: “We have had secular ethics in the world for about 500 years… Would you say the United States right now is evil?” (89:10)

The “Evil Heresy” Trap (85:35–88:39)

• Andrew corners Dinesh:
  • “You want us to support both of those evil ideologies to take out another evil ideology, when right here we have an evil ideology we’re combating in our own nation…” (90:22)
• Dinesh admits, “Judaism is a heresy… it’s evil in its rejection of Christianity.” (87:59, 88:03)
• Kyla points out Dinesh’s equivocation on what “Israel” means philosophically and ethically.

The Ought/Is & Hume’s Guillotine Segment (96:45–101:56)

• Dinesh attempts to challenge Hume’s guillotine, suggesting if something serves a purpose (telos), an “ought” can follow from an “is”.
• Andrew, Jay, and Kyla counter that this does not establish a moral obligation within secular frameworks.
• Jay: “What moral obligation is there if everything just is? … You need to provide the moral obligation behind an ought.” (99:51)
• Dinesh’s attempts are described as “not really addressing Hume’s objection… It’s just an attempt at reasserting Aristotelian philosophy.” (111:36)

Viral Moments & Roast

• Andrew: “All that stands in the way of all of the Muslim world uniting… is 10 million Jews sitting there? That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard.” (94:04)
• Jay: “Why is that land not Christian land? Let’s have that medieval, you know, Byzantine Christian kingdom.” (95:29)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On Definitions & Debate Tactics:

  • "This was her whole strategy for debating me was that feminism is anything that helps women. That’s not what feminism is. It's a historical movement attached to certain people at a certain time." (44:53; Kyla)
  • “Could you name one work by Aristotle and one by Hagel?” (73:35; Jay Dyer)
  • “Aristotle would be the five dialogues.” (73:57; Rachel Wilson - incorrect, as that’s Plato)
  • “You’re a suit.” (13:31; Kyla)
  • “I would have no problem with it. Nothing you’re addressing tells me what we’re going to do about this.” (22:40; Jay Dyer)

• On the Debate Experience:

  • “It was the craziest debate experience I’ve ever had, ever. And they’re in your face… I thought a couple times they were gonna punch me.” (26:17; Kyla)
  • “If this doesn’t go viral, I don’t know what to do to make stuff go viral.” (29:45; Kyla)

• On Israel/Christian Ethics:

  • “The modern state of Israel is a secular state… these are libtards essentially who live in Israel that Dinesh wants us to support.” (76:47; Andrew Wilson)
  • “Why would we support other nations which codify these things as law any more than we would Sharia law?” (78:13; Andrew Wilson)
  • “Judaism is a heresy, and that’s one type of evil.” (86:18; Dinesh D’Souza)

• On Moral Obligation & Hume:

  • “Does he not know this? This is pretty basic philosophy.” (97:04; Kyla, on Dinesh’s is/ought attempt)
  • “What moral obligation is there if everything just is? … You need to provide the moral obligation behind an ought.” (99:51; Jay Dyer)

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Super Chats and Community Shout-Outs (110:32+)

Jay thanks audience members, pokes fun at adversaries, highlights the good spirit and real-life effects of debate events ("Ultimate wingman" stories). There's a meta-commentary on debate culture, viral moments, and who brings the most “crowd work”.

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Takeaways

• Feminism vs. Modernization: The core debate is whether feminism uniquely causes demographic calamity or is just part of a broader modernization process. The arguments pivot on definitions, empirical evidence, and the meaning of empowerment.
• Debate Culture: Jay Dyer and crew see modern debate circuits as part bloodsport, part viral entertainment, and part real philosophical engagement—often blending all three.
• Israel and Christian Obligation: Andrew Wilson challenged Dinesh D’Souza on why supporting a nation ideologically opposed to Christian values should be obligatory for Christians, exposing deep tensions and equivocations in apologetics and political theology.
• Meta-Philosophy: The episode features advanced, sometimes mocking, engagement with “suit” behavior (superficial expertise), equivocation fallacies, and misused philosophical terminology—culminating in a viral “mic drop.”

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Episode Verdict

A rambunctious and insightful breakdown of major ideological showdowns at DebateCon 8. The debate format is scrutinized for both its philosophical depth and its viral entertainment value. Jay exposes flaws in argumentation, calls out equivocation, and takes pride in crowd work and philosophical "mic drops."
If you thrive on sharp meta-debate, philosophical in-jokes, and the spectacle of online debate culture, this episode is a must-hear.

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Recommended Listening Order

• [00:44] Rachel vs. Kyla on feminism and demographic collapse
• [23:01] 1v5 bloodsport and roasting
• [75:43] Andrew Wilson vs. Dinesh D’Souza: Israel, secular ethics, and theology
• [96:45] Ought/Is debate, philosophy fun
• [110:32–end] Community super chats, reaction, and event wrap-up

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For timestamps, speaker quotes, and order of play, see above headings.

Transcript

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[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Apply Saturday or Sunday. You come in and you. You go from like four until midnight. Okay, so basically the next. It's a seven. No, it's an eight hour stream. Seven hours, 50 minutes. An eight hour stream. Okay. And this ends up being a variety of topics, but ultimately it comes back to me again, just arguing with erudite for like two hours. Be okay with.

[Andrew Wilson]

I think people should generally work against

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

that, whether they're a man willing to essentially put his life at risk.

[Rachel Wilson]

Not compatible.

[Jay Dyer]

I think you're a fraud because you

[Rachel Wilson]

can't name one difference between ask questions. Just want to fall back on this. You can.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You're a sued.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm not a sued.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I've read that.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But you can't name one of them.

[Rachel Wilson]

No, but I. With my ideas.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Because you haven't. So again, this was the return to me trying to demonstrate that she's lying about having a philosophy degree and knowing philosophy because she can't name one work from a known philosopher. Anybody who's. I don't care if you failed all your classes. You could name one work by Aristotle or Plato or Hegel or Kant. Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

Just for the sake of. Hey, I gotta put. You know, I have a roof. I. I need to pay for a roof over my head. I pick the low status stuff that actually pays versus having like this giant spirit villain.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So this one, a lot of. This is a lot of like Q and A. Like what would you say about this? Is this feminism? Is this not blah, blah, blah, blah,

[Rachel Wilson]

but like I can't get money.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

What about you?

[Rachel Wilson]

But you just said they're making the

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

same amount of money.

[Jay Dyer]

It's just.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

No, I was just, I was explaining the status.

[Rachel Wilson]

Can someone explain like what does orbs mean? Like it keeps.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So people kept chatting in Sam Shamoon jokes about orbs. This, this whole crowd of people is mystified except me and Jim Bob know what it is. So wherever they're cracking up and they're all like, you got this T R A N Z person. What are the orbs? Can someone please explain what are the orbs?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Orb.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Like what orb? It's from my audience. See, it's an inside joke for my audience because I had a, a drama with a dude who believes that orbs like show up on his live streams and we had this big fallout. So now I don't remember any of this. This is, look, look how mad Kyle Ky is still mad the next day. All my audience makes fun of him talking about orbs.

[Rachel Wilson]

Like paranormal orbs.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yes. Oh that's so funny. Now we have Lucas here with his followup as a follow. This is so this is the insanity of the Internet, right? Like imagine a TZ person on whatever, try to ask me what the orbs are.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wallen.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I think it's fair to say that traditional men capable of fully providing for a household are not looking for a hot mess project. Rather they're looking for a wife. Oh by the way, again, so notice I don't remember if it's the night before or this next day. I actually call out cuz Kyla keeps shaking, right? Like she's, she's, she's, she's manic, she's over there just freaking going full cerebral palsy over there. And I'm like why are you shaking? What, what's going on? Why are you so nervous? Well I later figured out, I mean besides whatever drug she's on, it's because she didn't have her laptop for chat.

[Andrew Wilson]

GPT.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So because I remember when we first got there she kept asking Brian I need my laptop, I have to have my laptop. And he's like it doesn't fit on the table for the people in the camera. And she's like but I really need it. He's like I know you can't have the laptop in the debate. And so she was freaking out and that's why she started shaking. But that's why all of these people are just relying on Chad GPT dude. That's why she was upset. Already inculcated with and fully aligned with the family dynamic outlined by Fijians. 5:22. No, it's not just blood sugar because if you didn't see this went viral and I made a joke. This is a one liner joke. People don't even know to pick up on jokes. Even though I Think like this right here. This. I think that was.

[Rachel Wilson]

I was.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This was a. A hit, right? This is a zinger, dude. Now you got a name. Give this dude a rap name. Toothpot. Come on. That's easy, dude. That's like. That's it. That's the one that wins right there, right? Toothpock. Come on, dude. T o O. I should have put with a F. But Toothpot, that's a one liner zinger, dude. Obviously. Okay, now with Kyla, she was tweaking, dude. Let me find that clip. This went super viral too, by the way, which is weird. No, not that. Where's it at? Maybe it's under. I hate the way they've redone this. To where? Now I have to go over here to this other. Is it over here? It's under different tabs now. I kind of liked it the way it was.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

By the way.

[Andrew Wilson]

People are re.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Are resharing this and it's getting like this. Got a hundred thousand views with this goober, which is fine with me. Clip. Clip it to infinity, dude. Okay, where. Here it is,

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Freddy.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

No, that's not it. Where is the clip of her acting weird? That's what I'm looking for. Acting like something. She owns something, you know what I'm saying? Did they take it down? Because I don't see it, by the way. Hahaha. Look at this funny man. He's so funny because he put on my outfit. It's like you gotta. You gotta. If you're gonna mock me, you gotta do more than just wear my outfit. Dude, you're just stealing my drip. So I expect more from the haters than to just wear my drip. Dude, come on, you gotta come up with a joke or something. All right, where's Erudite at acting weird? Dude, that one chick, she Cooter mogging the whole Internet, dude, she cooter mogged all of twatter. Get it? Is this it? No, that's not it.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Good grief.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Dude, where's it? Here it is. Here it is.

[Rachel Wilson]

As a result of the labor force being injected.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay. I mean, dude, what the heck? Check this out. My assumption, I have no idea. But my guess would be because she was the exact same way at the whatever podcast. I think they do some kind of upper. I don't know what I mean, I don't know if they're like snorting chalk, they're snorting the chad mode or I don't know what they're doing, but it's something that makes them, you know, they're over there Tweaking out. I don't know what it is. Are they snorting Ozempic? I don't know.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

What?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, so in the case of America, I would say moving countries that are succeeding as a result of the labor force being injected with women and basically everyone who wants to work America is a really good example of how it

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

is working, you know, I mean, what drug y'. All. A lot of y' all is drug masters. Y' all are drug m magices. Y' all got your advanced degree in drugery. So I don't know what kind of ticks this is. I don't know if she's snorting chad mode, if she's putting Alps up her booty. I don't know what it is, but it's something. It's something. Oh, what drug is that, dude? Watch again.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, so in the case of America, I would say booming countries that are succeeding as a result of the labor force being injected with women and basically everyone who wants to work.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I made a joke. I said, destiny, a hell of a drug, right? Because cocaine a hell of a drug, right? I was just making a joke. I said, destiny, a hell of a drug. And all of these erudite destiny goblins, Ben Shapiro, Brian. Brian Shapiro were like, how dare you? And I'm like, it's a one liner, dummy. What are you talking about? How dare I? Like, they're all trying to moralize, like they're morally superior. I don't think that that's cocaine. I mean, I did cocaine one time when I was like 25. And she snorting blue chew. The thing with cocaine. I don't think you would. You could perform super awesome in a debate because cocaine just makes you want to dance. It. It just makes you tingly. Like you've had like five espressos, but you're, you're not like sweating and about to pass out from, you know, caffeine or whatever. It just makes you tingly and you just want to freaking dance, dude. So my guess would be that it's some time some type of upper and she feeling some type of way. I don't know. What do y' all think? What y' all think? Yeah, it's some.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Four.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, Adderall. It's probably like a. Some kind of. It's a. It's a speed of some kind for sure. It's not cocaine, dude. If it was cocaine, she'd be up there like, It's not alcohol. She ain't wine momming. By the way, she looked like she's lost about 20 pounds from when I debated her. So it's some form of upper for sure. Anyway, Where are we at? Let's see. Oh, I wanted to just see a little bit of this because this is part two where we keep debating and we have Lucas following up again.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Yikes.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Not taking your husband's last name. Well, maybe it's a Greek cultural thing,

[Jake Rattlesnake]

but that would be akin to my

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

wife slinging a pot of turds at my entire family.

[Andrew Wilson]

Much like not naming my son after my dad. Chapter six.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, Chair six.

[Andrew Wilson]

Good luck finding that traditional masculine feminist man. Oh, that's who.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Chair six. So what if he said he'll take your name? Be icky, right?

[Rachel Wilson]

That wouldn't happen. I would.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

What if he found a.

[Rachel Wilson]

Does that, like, actually happen?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, it actually.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Look at Kyle over there biting her lip. We're just ready to attack, dude.

[Andrew Wilson]

I have a friend who took his wife.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sometimes.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Sometimes guys take controlling. I didn't know that.

[Jay Dyer]

I would.

[Rachel Wilson]

If he really wants to. Why not? Okay, important last name's better. I mean, if his last name is, like, Gaylord and like, our last name. What if your last name's Epidemic? Are you taking a new last name? Like, if you get. If you have an opportunity to, like, flee the Epstein name? Of course. But I'm asking, like, would you guys be, like, if you were last named Epstein and you had an opportunity? Like, would you.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Are you saying, like, not within the context of marriage. Just like, there's some good zingers in this. I don't remember a lot of those. You change your last name.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm also making a meme, but yeah.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

If a guy wanted to change his.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

His last name for whatever, I think that's fine.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, that's true. She just, like, supposed to change her name to Epstein if.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

If he.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

If she's in a relationship with him and that's his given last name and he desires to keep it, and he's

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

a traditional guy and his aware of the basics. So we're not going to listen to anything you say about philosophy when you can't name it.

[Rachel Wilson]

You still can't separate absolutism from a name.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

One book from Plato.

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[Rachel Wilson]

because

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

you haven't read it. Just admit that you haven't read it.

[Rachel Wilson]

I have read it. I don't know any titles. Want to fall back on this? We can.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You're sued.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm not a sued. I've read that.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But you can't name one of them.

[Rachel Wilson]

No, but I have.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Because you haven't read them.

[Rachel Wilson]

Again, this is not the dump.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Your ideas are not worthwhile because you're a suit.

[Rachel Wilson]

At least I'm not lying about having a degree in philosophy, I guess. Because if you did, you could definitely tell us the difference between absolutism and objective.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I gave you. I gave you the explanation.

[Rachel Wilson]

You did it.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You said they're synonymous in the context. In terms of intentionality, how I'm using it, they can be synonymous. Do you know that words have.

[Rachel Wilson]

Can be the word weasel answer.

[Jay Dyer]

That's correct.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

The word kid, can it mean two different things?

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, so your answer to what's the difference between absolutism and objectivism is equivocating. That's amazing.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Can the word kid mean two different things?

[Jay Dyer]

Power level.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Can the word kid mean two different things?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, of course.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay, so words are dependent on their context.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. So you're answering the definitional question here

[Dinesh D'Souza]

by equivocating the word subjective.

[Andrew Wilson]

You don't know what equivocative.

[Rachel Wilson]

Just so you guys know, it's when you.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So this is because she tried to haggle over me saying that relativism and subjectivism can be referring to the same thing, which is just simply that there's not objective truth. And she spent like 20 minutes haggling over this nonsense, and then she's going back to this because she doesn't want to have an actual conversation because she's. She is a suit.

[Rachel Wilson]

And you use them differently within the same premise so that you can muddy the conversation. So he's acting like absolutism when we're talking about it.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

They're doing cat cells.

[Rachel Wilson]

The definition. It's just his personal definition that he's thinking of in the moment.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I never gave my personal definition. This is so stupid. I said subjectivism and relativism can mean essentially the same thing. Right? And she's like, they don't technically mean those. Yes, they can. They can be referring to just simply the fact that there's no objective truth that binds me. Truth is relative or truth is subjective. I could be meaning the same thing. She. And she had. She couldn't. This did not compute with her objective.

[Rachel Wilson]

Obvious.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I'm not talking about that.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm talking about your.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's what I am asking you about.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But I don't. Because I was critiquing your argument.

[Jay Dyer]

Good one. Good one, J. Yeah.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Which I was correct. And she lost her mind at that.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So anyway, if you want infinity more of this, it actually continues on, so. And it got worse. Which is why after this debacle and two, three weeks of destiny bots in all of my videos for two or three weeks, I'm like, all right, all right. We'll see who has the last word. We'll see who has the last word on this. And I just want to play it one more time because I had the last word on this battle. Who ends up vindicated? Your boy right here ends up vindicated. You asked Rachel about Hypatia. So being an educated philosophy person, could you name one work by Aristotle and one by Hagel?

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure. I don't know what works by Hegel, by the way.

[Jay Dyer]

If I'd have known that's what she was saying, I would have answered. I couldn't understand her because she just talks, like, with the dry Adderall mouth, and I couldn't.

[Rachel Wilson]

You're like, slowing down with your age. It's a little hard to keep up.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I'm just not on speed.

[Rachel Wilson]

Aristotle would be the five dialogues.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's Plato. Yes. So who had the last word? Peer. $10. Thank you so much, Patrick, shout out to. Thank you, Dosievsky, for those small super chats. Patrick says for five bucks, the prophets. The prophets reached theosis. What was the point of incarnation? Well, they only reached the theosis because the incarnation. So the grace. The incarnation functions retroactively. That's the orthodox view. Did we need the incarnation to rebuild that bridge? Yeah, but because the incarnation and the resurrection ascension is outside of time and space, it can then apply the grace to the Old Testament prophets. Please unblock me on X, maybe. D's $20. Greetings, Mr. Dyer. I'm late. I enjoyed your Tucker interview. Is he converting? Pray for it. Mo Christians. $10. There's a Calvinist pastor named John Johnathan Burris. He made a video critiquing the Sunni Baptist Sola Scriptura in IFB guy that you debated. It would be fun to see the reaction to it. I said he should debate you. And he liked this idea. What's his name? Jonathan Burris. Look, so unless a person is a big name person, and I'm not trying to be a D bag, but look, we're at the tier now where we' to be debating Dash. Okay, so we're debating the people in the millions of followers now, supposedly. Let's just assume that there really are 4 million subscribers. Brother D, you now got 4 million subscribers. Assuming right. That there really are 4 million. So. So I don't. I'm not bound to take all of these like 200 person subscriber debates, but I'm one of the few who will still do it. But that's what the open calls are for. No, I don't owe you a debate if you got 500 subscribers. But I'm one of the few who will still let you call in. So Calvinist Pastor man can call in on any of the live streams. Slow boy whiteboard $5. Cholo cheater was talking smack last night on the Noose Nexus channel. Well, we'll see how good he does now that he's agreed to debate Vatican 2. And again, dude literally just asked me where in Vatican 2 does it even talk about Church and State? So he doesn't even know Gus. He didn't know any of it, so it's not going to go well for him. Levi, $2. Thank you. Dragon, $10. Is it me or does it feel like Lutheran's just popping off? Alex recently debated a Lutheran. I'm going to be debating a Lutheran next week on Modern Day Debate. So notice I will still take small channel debates and this is because of the Tucker stuff. And it was. Everybody was popping off. A lot of these prots was popping off. So let's see. Modern Day Debate. I don't even come up anymore with Modern Day Debate. My feelings are hurt. I thought it would pop up. But let's see, here we go. I will be debating the Lutheran guy. What was his name? Boniface. Yeah, so the Twitter Lutheran guy, Boniface. He took issue with my Tucker statements. So we will be, we will be debating here and we will be debating nominalism and justification, Orthodox versus Lutheran. And if you do want to watch the rest of the insanity with not so Erudite and me and Jim Bob on whatever for eight hours you could watch it right there. Let me put it over here for the other chats as well. So anyways, appreciate the Shamoon apology. Doesn't mean that I will be working theologically with Sam Shamoon. I might contact him. You know, theologically if he's interested, I'm happy to present positions or answer questions etc, if he has book recommendations, etc. But theologically nothing has Essentially changed from my vantage point. But we have no personal issues. All the personal stuff is, is out of the way. But that does not mean that anyone has changed any theological positions as of yet. Let's see. All right, let's watch a little bit of this. I was there. I caught a lot of this debate. I think I caught almost all of the Dinesh Andrew debate. I caught probably 70 to 75 of this debate and it was a blowout. So let's see some of this.

[Jay Dyer]

For working as nurses and still having two and a half kids per woman, I would have no problem with it. Nothing you're addressing tells me what we're going to do about this.

[Rachel Wilson]

Nothing you're pointing to says it all falls at the feet of feminism. Right?

[Jay Dyer]

How are you going to make daycare cheap enough that a woman can have five babies and work a full time job? And why would you want that? I'll just grant everything. You said a grip is trilemma. Whatever you want.

[Rachel Wilson]

You guys want to solve the birth rate problem? Your actual enemy here today, by the way.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This one ended up also getting into like a bunch of like back and forth roasting. And again, I'm trying to tell you like when you watch the one on five because y', all, they're all gonna say I'm mean, I'm just prefacing it. Everyone agreed to no holds barred bloodsport style debate. Now the clips that Goober face uploaded that he wasn't supposed to, they're two minute clips within the ten minute hot seat debate. Right? So you don't actually see the full build up, you're just seeing it's 10 minute segments and each of the 10 minute now some of them were normal debate. Right? I would say sleep numbers.

[Rachel Wilson]

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[Andrew Wilson]

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[Kyla Not So Erudite]

a sleep number store or sleepnumber.com. maybe five or six were normal back and forths. But me and the Filipino dude, it does not go well. Okay? Y' all don't even know about him yet. Okay, so that one, that one is. That one turns into full on roasting. Okay? Me and Karen from, from hr it goes full roast. Okay? Me and Cholo cheater. It goes full roast. The other ones, the Calvinist dude, we end up keeping it pretty. Pretty debate centered. Topical centered. Okay? I'm just telling you right now, people are gonna lie. They're gonna cut out segments and say, look at Dyer just roasting people. He doesn't even argue. No, no, they're 10 minute segments. They all begin with actual debates. And in the case of the portly HR woman, I think she thought when James said, go, no holds barred and just go at it, I think she thought that meant in her mind, argue. Okay? So she had no idea that debating isn't just yapping for 10 minutes straight, okay? So when I start inter engaging with her and I realize about three minutes in that she isn't even listening to what's coming out of my mouth, she's just like. I'm like, all right, I might as well just start roasting her. So that just turns into straight up roasting. But I guarantee what's going to happen is there's going to be viral clips out of this. I'm telling you guys, this one on five is absolutely chaos. It's going to be viral clips and all the people, all the haters are going to just look at the segments. Look how mean he is.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

We got proof he's me.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Everyone agreed to open roasting. Yes. The whole I. And I actually messaged James. I was like, don't cut out stuff. And he's like, I don't think anything violated terms of service. Because, bro, there's a lot of cholo jokes, okay? There's a lot of Y. Mom, portly. Like, it gets. It gets crazy, dude. It was the craziest debate. It's the craziest debate experience I've ever had, ever. And they're in your face. You can't leave for 10 minutes in the hot seat. And I mean, it was rough, dude. I'll put it this way. There was a couple times, a couple. I thought it was about to turn into, like, blows. Like, I wasn't gonna punch anybody. I'm saying, like, I thought a couple times they were gonna punch me because, dude, they were getting so mad, man. One guy, the Filipino dude, like, he gets so mad that he. He gets this going. You know how, like, when people get upset, like they're about to. They don't know whether to cry or whether to punch the out of you. Like, his lip. I'm like, what's wrong with your lip, dude? Slow it down. And that made him more mad. And I kid you not, dude, everybody who Gets into this hot seat. Well, two of them. Cholo dude and Filipino dude, right? Filipino dude started saying, why are you, why are you anti Semitic and hate Jews? Like, he just freaked out. And he runs to why are you anti Semitic and hate you? So? Like, what are you talking about? I said, you're a judaizing heretic. And he's like, why do you have just a bit of Jews? What are you just like, just running to like, will the Jews save me? Will they use them? Like, I just started laughing at him like, dude, what's wrong with you? And he goes, he starts talking about college classes. Like he short circuited. Starts talking about his college classes. And he's like, did you even take a philosophy class? I'm like, yeah, I, I majored in it. You didn't even take a philosophy class? I, I took epistemology. I'm like, oh, tell me some more classes. I said, did you, did you take Home ec? He starts, he's about to cry. I'm like, did you take Filipino history? I want to know all of your undergrad classes, dude, start listening, please. He's like, he starts freaking out, dude, it's crazy. Just wait. I hope all of this, by the way, is on multiple cams, because this dude, I thought this dude was gonna just like explode. I thought he was gonna just like short circuit. Like smoke starts coming out of his, his ears and he's gonna like flop over and just explode or something. Because between the big old HR woman and, and cholo cheater and the Filipino dude, like, this is going to be. I guarantee you it's gotta be by. If this doesn't go viral. I don't know what to do to make stuff go viral. I had no idea what to expect. You got. This will be clipped into infinity. This is gonna go crazy. I'm just warning you. I already know what everybody's gonna say. They're gonna clip out the parts of me roasting people and say that. I mean, as if it's not within a 10 minute segment of people losing their mind.

[Jay Dyer]

And it.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

As if they didn't agree. I mean, dude, the entire time with Filipino dude. I mean, that dude's. That dude's chin is going like a damn weed eater. He was, I thought he was just gonna start balling. Especially when we got into homec. I was like, tell me about home EC class. Because he just, he starts citing all of his college classes. Like that's an argument. Like, he's like, I have authority here. I have authority in this. Because I think Good for you. Tell me about Home ec, dude. Did you take Filipino history? Why are you racist? Why are you racist? You hate Jews. He just starts growing. This is crazier than any Jubilee you've ever seen. I guarantee it may not be as popular as Jubilee. This is the craziest Jubilee style interactions you will have ever seen. I can guarantee you that there is no Jordan Peterson vs. Gathius clip that will come close to what I experienced in 1v5. Okay? It's. Oh, dude, it is a samite episode. It's a. It's. It's an hour and a half of me trying not to go crazy. Dude. Half of it's roast. I'm gonna put it that way. Hour and a half. I don't remember how many segments there were. It might have been 10. It might have been 13. I don't even remember. Might have been eight. I don't know. Well, let's see if it's 10 minute segments. It's got to be like eight, right? Because you got an hour and a half. So that would be. And we did take one bathroom break. Oh, my gosh, dude, it is crazy. I'm. I'm gonna say it right now.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I've.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I have the. To date, I've not watched every Jubilee or one one versus whatever. I will tell you right now, put it on the line, son. When this comes out, I have the biggest, craziest 1v5. You know, I'm not a hype man. I don't talk a bunch of crap hyping stuff. Y' all know I don't do that a lot. I'll talk about something if it's. Ah, this was fun. It was. All right. Did I hype up the debate con debates? They were just normal debates. The 1 versus 5. I am hyping it up because I'm telling you, this is the craziest I've ever been involved in. I mean, you already saw dude me popping off with Cholo Cheater. That's nothing. Wait till you see the actual exchanges. It's not. Ain't out yet, dude. Oh, it's gonna be funny. This will rival and top any one V. Whatever you've seen. I promise you that. I give you my freaking word, son. What is even the craziest one versus whatever? Whether Jubilee or whatever? Cause everybody's doing this now. By the way, I forgot to tell

[Rachel Wilson]

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[Andrew Wilson]

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[Kyla Not So Erudite]

number store or sleep number dot com. Guess what? There's going to. So debates. You might have thought they were dying out. Oh, no, no, no. They are not dying out. In fact, you've got multiple things popping off of debate. We are just getting started. Okay? I'm not just talking about debate coin. Okay, now they want to do World War debate again. But me versus Molyneux, we got me two debates with David Wood, two debates with Trent Horn. At the next. At the debatecon after David Wood, we got the. What's that guy's name? Brandon Straka. Okay, so the. He's got like a million on. On Twitter. So he calls me up, he wants me to be in the four on fours and the five on fives. So this is a whole other thing coming out. I don't watch things with nudity. Well, I'll put this. If you like roasts, you're gonna like my 1 versus 5. I think this will compete for. It's definitely. I can tell you right now, it's already the craziest one versus whatever. You can't even play jubilee clips because they just copyright everything. But let's see. What. What is the craziest one versus five or one versus ten that exists right now? What do you do? I know some of y' all love debates. What's the craziest one so far? By the way, there's going to be a lot more of these coming because this is. People are loving this stuff. Is there a crazy one that even exists yet? Now we all know about. Okay, so God logic just did one. No, wait, it's Uthman versus 10 Christians, right? Let's see. The unqualified law cannot be applied to anyone else when it's.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Now, here's what we need to do.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe

[Rachel Wilson]

in me through their word.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

All right, so the look. Looks like the way they set this one up was one verses or 10 versus one Uthman versus 10 Christians. And they go for it looks like about 10 each. Is it 10 each? Maybe even more. Maybe like 12 minutes each. 12 or 13. And that's already popped off with like 100,000 views. Allegedly. We got one Muslim versus five Skittles.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Love is not love.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's not hurting anyone.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

If a man sleeps with a man, it is. Okay, we got destiny versus one versus five. Destiny. Yikes. Okay, Andrew versus. Oh, they already did a one versus five on modern day debate. I didn't know they'd done one.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Full knowledgeable wisdom to be co.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So Andrew versus secularist. Right. Be unwise as an option.

[Andrew Wilson]

And then we didn't take medication by chance,

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

so maybe this one is already. I didn't even know about this one. I haven't seen this. So here, here's a 1v5 and it counts down. And they did five minute segments. Dude, it was torture doing 10 minute segments with bro. I mean, that's a mercy to give Andrew five minutes and I had to do 10 with all of these tars, dude. Oh my gosh.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Dude.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Let's see. Let's see one of these. So here's, here's a modern day debate. This is what, this is what it's going to be like, except it's 10 minutes of me versus five. Wow, that goes quick.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, that went real quick. Thank you.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Pleasure.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Thank you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, wait, I don't think I shake hands. I don't think I ended up shaking hands with anybody that was on my 1V. My 1V5 had maybe one hand shaking. We were not friends after that. All right, so your stance is Christians have the right to rule as much as seculars.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay, so as a Christian, I can't disagree with you too much on that. However, you know, just because you're Christian doesn't mean you shouldn't be in power. But what you do with your morals and values should not be portrayed in how you rule in.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm a big believer in church and state.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

No, mine. They said mine wouldn't be up for like two weeks. So that was like five days, four days ago. So you probably got a week and a half before my 1 versus 5 goes up. Our separation of church and state. So, you know, there's, there's a place for the, for the religious aspect of your life and your upbringing and all that, but it shouldn't be brought into more of a power stance.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can't separate church and state. Let me explain why. Have you ever elected a politician who's a Christian?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Did you expect that when he ruled, he ruled from his moral stances which were formed by Christianity?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I would expect that he would have ruled based off of his policies, which.

[Andrew Wilson]

What? Where? Like, how's he going to figure his policies out other than what he Considers moral in his brain.

[Jay Dyer]

So

[Andrew Wilson]

it's. It's.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, that guy's an idiot. Let's move on to the next one.

[Andrew Wilson]

That Christians have as much of a right to rule as secularists or atheists.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay, I'm.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm a little confused as to why that. I don't.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I don't think a lot of people just.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Damn, dude. We got Indian Jared Leto over here. We got Pad Leto agree with that.

[Andrew Wilson]

What part do you think that a lot of people disagree with it?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

I think.

[Andrew Wilson]

Then why do they get upset when Christians are in office and they make policy.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

We got Jared Pagito.

[Andrew Wilson]

Based on Christianity. Because they make policy based on Christianity, not the fact that they are Christian. Well, okay. How do you want a Christian to morally inform their view for policy making if it's not through Christianity? I'm not saying that it can't be through Christianity. It can't be because of Christianity.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Why?

[Andrew Wilson]

Because it's not a Christian nation.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

What does it have to do with anything? If a politician, right. You vote him in office, he's a Christian, he's going to be making moral decisions on behalf of the electorate. Right, Right. Where do you want him to. Where do you want him to draw his information from? From the electorate. So with the electorate, it's not all religious. What, the electorate has to do something immoral? Well, then that's completely different. All right, then he should be informing his. His viewpoint from his ethics, which can be Christianity dichotomy. You don't either have Christian ethics or completely non.

[Jay Dyer]

You can.

[Andrew Wilson]

You can take your Christian ethics and apply them to.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

His T shirt says Indian Jesus.

[Jay Dyer]

What?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, man.

[Andrew Wilson]

Secular situation, though. Sure, you can apply your Christian ethics to secularists, but that would be ruling secularists with Christian ethics. Right, but then we agree that there's no issue with Christians or seculars having power. No, I don't think we do agree. So your idea here is you take issue if Christians make policy based on Christianity.

[Rachel Wilson]

No.

[Andrew Wilson]

Because of Christianity. This is the law. Because Christianity says not. I am a Christian. I think this is bad. And also other people who are not

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Christians also think, yeah, dude, this is way more of a actual conversation than what you're gonna get with me. I mean, every one of them, except for two of the segments goes downhill very fast and is not a debate any longer. Now, I will say that. Let me think of any of. Did any of them give good arguments? Jared Litter. I think Jared Pagito was a good one. I can't remember off the top. I think the Calvinist guy asked a couple good questions. But the Calvinist dude came in looking like a Mormon. So I just kept calling him Elder whatever, like Elder Caleb or what his name was.

[Rachel Wilson]

Caleb.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I kept calling him Elder Caleb because he was dressed like a Mormon. So I met busted a bunch of Mormon jokes. I just remember my jokes. All I remember from the whole thing was my own crowd work. So anyway, all right, let's get back

[Rachel Wilson]

to this feminism modernization. Baby girl, you're gonna love when I go through your book. Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

When she educates. All right, talks like by the way,

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

all of my 1v5 is basically what this debate ends up being which is just like they end up just basically roasting each other. And I don't think Erudite's roasts were very good.

[Jay Dyer]

I Adderall mouth.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Welcome back to Rattlesnake tv. Guys, in this video we have got a fantastic debate for you between Rachel Wilson, the feminist destroyer and Kyla not so Erudite. Now contrary to most feminist debates where these feminists don't actually know how to make an argument, this was actually a very interesting one and there were interesting points brought up and then at the end, literally one of the best microp moments I've ever seen in my entire life. So with that, let's get into it.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm curious, what's the number one correlate to declining birth rates in a nation?

[Jay Dyer]

Women's access to higher education.

[Rachel Wilson]

Correct? Yes, women's access. It's actually everyone's access to higher education. So I'm curious, would you consider Saudi Arabia particularly feminist?

[Jay Dyer]

Not particularly feminist, no.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, so the Gulf states also have declining birth rates. But feminism isn't causing that. What's happening there?

[Jay Dyer]

Because they've started.

[Rachel Wilson]

They've started Saudi Arabia famous for feminizing. Qatar, famous for feminizing.

[Jay Dyer]

They have started letting women work. They've started allowing things like birth control.

[Rachel Wilson]

Birth rate's been declining for a long time. Actually it's below rep every.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes, everybody in first world economies where there's urbanization, industrialization as I explained, that's what enables feminism.

[Rachel Wilson]

So isn't it urbanization that now we're blaming here? Cuz I Not until feel like there's.

[Jay Dyer]

Not until you push women into the workforce and they stop having kids again. If women were working as nurses and still having two and a half kids per woman, I would have no problem with it. But nothing you're addressing tells me what we're going to do about this.

[Rachel Wilson]

Nothing you're pointing to says it all falls at the feet of feminism. Right. What you're pointing to right now, why don't stop having babies because of modernization through increased education. Saudi Arabia. I'm so sorry. As much as you want to insist Saudi Arabia is feminist, it's certainly not. In fact, do you know why women in Saudi Arabia are pushed into education? It increases their dowry value. That's why.

[Jay Dyer]

Because they, it's like that sounds like an Islam problem.

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, Victoria England did this as well. Where essentially they view proof of education as good genetic.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Victoria England, Victorian England. It was Victoria England who that Victoria England is who Victorian England is. I think she meant Victorian stock.

[Rachel Wilson]

So it makes that wife a more valuable woman.

[Jay Dyer]

So nobody crisis in Victorian England.

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, the, in the thing that you have to disentangle here is why is Saudi Arabia having the same problems that you're falling at the feet of feminization feminism. And I'm saying it looks more like modernization might be the problem here. And Saudi Arabia certainly has both modernization and. But it certainly doesn't have feminism. So you're going to have to answer that.

[Jay Dyer]

In the United nations, both say that the main correlate for declining birth rates is sending women to college and sending them to work.

[Rachel Wilson]

I didn't disagree with that as a mother.

[Jay Dyer]

Feminism as a matter of five, you cannot have more.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That is part of it. Like she, what's so annoying with her is the constantly evolving and moving definitions of what she's defending. This is the whole, this was her whole strategy for debating me was that feminism is anything that helps women. That's not what feminism is. It's a historical movement attached to certain people at a certain time, certain ideologues. Right. And what we're, we're calling feminism today. But for her it's so elastic that it could be anything. That quote helps women. Which by the way is depending upon. Well, how do you know what helps women?

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's a sub. That's. I mean it's not solely subjective, but that could be subjective. And it also needs, we need some kind of benchmark to know what is it that helps? What is it that hurts? So it's based on some idea of the good, which she never gave any account of the good when we debated. So that's why it's. So her whole strategy is literally to have a very open ended word feminism that she can then attach gdp, ancient Goddess worship, ancient Judaism, ancient, you know, whatever rights, anything that could conceivably help women is feminism. And so she just simply argues that anytime something good is happening that quote helps women. That's feminism. Therefore, feminism is good and helps society. But that elastic of a term and an idea is itself problematic because she tried in our debate, for example, to make it very precise. She said, I gave a definition of feminism that you agreed to. I never actually. Never did agree to it. I just said, well, that's. Is that what you're arguing?

[Jay Dyer]

Women were working as nurses.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

If that's what you're arguing for, then I don't need to agree to your definition. Just make your argument. It's so stupid.

[Jay Dyer]

Into the workforce and they stop having kids. Again, if women were working as nurses and still having two and a half kids per woman, I would have no problem with it. But nothing you're addressing tells me what we're going to do about this.

[Rachel Wilson]

Nothing you're pointing to says it all falls at the feet of feminism. Right. What you're pointing to right now, why women stop having babies because of modernization through increased education.

[Jay Dyer]

The sources of my slides say that in the 70s, the reason was because we had a huge income tax deficit because of the Vietnam War. At the same time that they had passed birth control legislation making it legal, and not only that, making it free and cheap and socially acceptable. We had Roe v. Wade. Now everybody can get an abortion. And at the same time, you start pushing through the culture through a massive propaganda campaign, through things like, remember the Stepford Wives movies? Remember the Mary Tyler Moore Show? The 70s were just saturated with girl boss empowerment stuff. I was born in 1980 with she Ra and Madonna and, you know, telling women that motherhood is a ball and chain, that the smart girls go to college and have their own money and they don't need a man. So you've got this cultural propaganda campaign. You've got government money subsidizing college, which is why it's so expensive, by the way. And then you've got birth control and abortion. So the trend becomes go get your back.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's actually a good question. Guys in the chat are asking, where does she get her definition of feminism? I don't recall. What was it? It was something like. I mean, did she just like, get it from the dictionary? I don't. Let's see what. Let's see what she defined it as. I don't even remember where she gets her definition, but I think it was so broad. It was like, let's see, Destructive to society, to is and third wave about egalitarianism.

[Rachel Wilson]

I think it's what I would be

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

happy to talk anti reality because they all go together. In other words, see where she Gets her definition because I don't actually remember. Feminism cannot be divorced from the revolution against biology, the revolution against masculinity, the revolution against every area of life that is healthy, wholesome and based around patriarchy. All right, thank you for that, Jay. Kyla, would you like to give your opening statement though?

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure. Mine isn't going to be nearly as long as. But that was. I was really interesting and I basically would grant you lots of that stuff. I would essentially argue that feminism is not only a necessity, it's unavoidable. I think that's where society tends to go. I think women joining the workforce, while there's lots of cons with it, one of the biggest pros is the massive boost to GDP and just the competitiveness of every nation that includes women. And overall, I think feminism is broadly good for society. But I am sure that I would be happy to talk with you about a number of areas that I think have been harmful for society.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's how terrible this is from her vantage point. She hinged everything later on in this debate about her definition of feminism. But in her opening statement, which is like one minute, she hasn't even defined feminism. So we don't even know yet what her definition of it is.

[Rachel Wilson]

I think feminism has been co opted and often twisted. I think particularly in the third wave we saw.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, so it's been co opted. She mentions third wave feminism. So she is referring, notice at the beginning of her approach to this debate, she's literally referring to the historical, recent movements of feminism as a political, social, ideological movement. She is not referring to anything in history. That quote helps women notice that this

[Rachel Wilson]

by what I would call gender opportunists. And so when I think about feminism, I'm more interested in a feminism that is centralized around empowering women and promoting femininity, I think.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But notice she hasn't defined it yet.

[Rachel Wilson]

When you talk about egalitarianism, I think it's really interesting concept, but I think we need to be precise in what we talk about. So I guess to open and maybe.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay, so if we're being precise, can you define it?

[Rachel Wilson]

Please start with a question with your philosophy background.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Why would you ask qu. Don't ask people questions in your opening statement. This is so. This is so dumb. Like the worst debaters I've ever seen always do this weird stupid move of asking the other person questions in their open. Why are you asking me a question in your openings? Like you got to present the affirmation or the negation, right? You're either for or against whatever the prompt of the debate is. You don't ask me questions in the opening statement. This is so silly. And that's debate 101, dude.

[Rachel Wilson]

Or you're familiar with Heidegger's concept of chatter?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

No.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, so what does.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

What does Heidegger chatter have to do with this? Nothing.

[Rachel Wilson]

Heidegger, interesting philosopher from the forties, but he.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

By the way, you notice she didn't know any philosophical works, right? So as a philosophy student and as a person who did study at the graduate level philosophy, I can spot. And I know a sued right away, okay? When people start naming philosophers and they want to name ideas from philosophers, but I can listen for a little bit and I know they haven't actually read them. That's. It's not being all. It's inauthentic. It's. You're being a suede. You're not actually educated, but you're presenting yourself as if you have the education. That's a form of deception. You're a suit. It's a form of beer con woman. So she starts yapping and bl. And naming all this stuff, and I'm like, I start noticing she doesn't know any of this. She doesn't actually know who. What these. She. And that's why I later ask her about certain philosophical works. Right? People that didn't watch the full debate are like, was Dar coming in just trying to like, name philosophers, bro. Name books. That's such a cheap tactic. That's what she's doing. What are you talking about?

[Rachel Wilson]

This idea of chatter that I think is really interesting for discussion, which is essentially how a lot of times when people have like philosophical and idea wrestling conversations, they use the same word, but they have different meanings for those words. And so then the whole conversation is just essentially garbage. That's what he calls, like idle chatter. And so I'm curious if what you'd be willing to do for this conversation.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So she actually, I think she heard about this idea and she was like, oh, I could weaponize that. I could actually use that as a strategy to make my whole case about Ms. Different uses of words. And that's really what she does throughout

[Rachel Wilson]

this whole discussion station is if we could make sure that we agree on what we mean by certain words so that we can actually talk about the ideas underneath them and hopefully come to a better understanding of everything.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

What are the words you would like?

[Rachel Wilson]

Probably for this conversation we should talk about patriarchy and feminism. Those seem like the most obvious things to define. And then after that, just if we come to a word that we keep both using, it'll probably just be useful to define it and make sure that we agree to what we're talking about. If that works.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Would you like to start with your definitions and then Jay can give his.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure. So, yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm curious.

[Rachel Wilson]

So patriarchy, I would define it as a hierarchical structure where men monopolize soft and hard power.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I think that they have authority. I wouldn't say it's a monopoly on power because women can have a degree of influence and power in society, but it's under the headship of a man. So, for example, a job. Right. As an example, Proverbs 31 talks about women being able to work, but it's sort of under the purview of the husband. So it's not independence. It's not doing their own thing. It's a family unit working together. So there's roles.

[Andrew Wilson]

Sure.

[Rachel Wilson]

So when we're thinking about, like, a job. So when I think about a higher. A monopoly of hard and soft power, in my mind, I'm thinking law, like, kind of like men are mostly monopolizing positions in law, but also soft power, like media, and kind of able to kind of set the tone culturally as well. So they kind of have these areas of power mostly fully occupied by men, particularly systems where men force it to be the case that it's only men in those positions.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah. Monopoly is a difficult term because it's. I still try to figure out what her definition is because she hands everything on it. And it's actually a good question, like, what does she actually think it is? So I'm. That's what I'm trying to get to. Just totality. And again, there can be a shared situation here that's not a total monopoly. I'm fine. I'll go with it.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

It's fine.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure, we can say, like, soft monopoly or something like that, but essentially a hierarchical structure where men tend to mostly occupy positions. Feminism, I define it as the empowerment of women and promotion of femininity. Do you.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So again, this is really ambiguous because now it's anything that, quote, empowers and helps women. And femininity. I mean, that is not what feminism is as a movement. And the prompt of the debate is feminism versus patriarchy. It's not listed in the title right here, but the original prompt was, is feminism or patriarchy better for society? That was the debate. Right. So I do not accept that as you. I think, if ever, if I recall. Right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Let's see that.

[Rachel Wilson]

Or do you have a Very different definition.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I, I think of it as something necessarily tied to revolution and I think so. Notice right there, I do not accept her definition of feminism. And she later hinges this entire debate on me supposedly accepting it. You notice I initially, right here, I say, no, it's a historical revolutionary movement. It's not the empowerment and helping of women at any point in history. So no, when you say the word empowerment, it's also ambiguous because. Yeah, exactly. So I call this out at the very beginning. Could be a lot of things in different contexts. I don't know what you think empowerment is.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, so by empowerment, what I mean is typically going to be, I'm very big freedom of opportunity person, liberal, guilty as charged. So empowerment would be eroding any obstacles to.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Anyway, we're not going to watch all this madness. But you'll notice that she literally defines it as just this ambiguous thing of helping empowering women. And femininity. What even is that? I mean, you might think femininity is wearing your freaking shoulder pad blazers and being a boss, babe. I mean, I don't know what you think. This is so silly. Right? And thus it's so historically unanchored that she could then say it's anything. And you'll notice I did not accept that that's what it is. I said I, I think it's a historical revolutionary movement tied to socialism and Marxism. That's what it is. And then she literally hinges the rest of the debate on. You accepted my definition of feminism. No, I didn't. I never did. What are you talking about? So there we go. That's what she thinks it is. Empowering of women. Which is what?

[Jay Dyer]

Go get your career. Men are icky and bad. They're going to abuse you. Children are a ball and chain that are going to hold you back. You need to go to work. Sure. And that's what women do.

[Rachel Wilson]

They still haven't gotten an answer to the Gulf states. Seems like that one is just still haven't gotten an answer to how you're

[Jay Dyer]

gonna feminism with no more babies.

[Rachel Wilson]

You have to let me talk for us to have a conversation.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Right, okay. So this is an important part because essentially what the argument boils down to here is to what end is feminism contributing to the demographic collapse that we are seeing? Now Kyla's argument here is that this is simply a product of urbanization and modernization. Now modernization is certainly important and she's not without a point. Necessary for what we're seeing, but it is certainly not sufficient. And feminism is the accelerant here. With the Gulf states, for example, their female participation.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So again, we have to understand feminism. And you'll notice she made a huge mistake in our debate when she initially tied it to the historical waves and phases of feminism. She said third wave feminism did damage to women. So she initially even herself tied it to the historical revolutionary movement from Mary Wollstonecraft in the French Revolution up through the suffragists, up through the First, Second International to the waves. Right? So she tied it to the historical revolutionary movements herself. That's what feminism is. It's not anything that empowers or helps women. That's so stupid and it's so ambiguous that they could mean anything. I mean, lifting weights can help women. Is that feminism? To lift a weight, Having children helps women. Is that feminism? I mean, it's just so silly. Is it so stiff? No, it's a historical socialist movement. What are you talking about?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

In workforce and higher education nearly tripled in under a decade. However, their fertility rates have not fallen as steeply as Western countries and Eastern Asian countries, and they're still meaningfully higher because whilst education norms and working norms are shifting, social norms like marriage and motherhood expectations and the family structure haven't shifted as much. What we're seeing in the west, however, is the structural change plus the feminist ideology, which completely reshapes the role of a woman and what a woman's life purpose.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's why I said it's a revolutionary movement. And you just heard Jake right there repeat that point. Jake Rattlesnake says the revolutionary ethos. That point, that's what I argued in

[Jake Rattlesnake]

the debate, is entirely Korea comes first. Motherhood is not important and should be delayed or avoided. And then a good case study you've got here is Israel. So Israel would be considered the most modernized and most urbanized place in the entire Middle east, yet the birth rates still sit comfortably above replacement rate because of the religious and cultural norms. So all this to say modernization is certainly a factor, but feminism is the accelerant. And Rachel covers that here.

[Jay Dyer]

You completely made up this idea that my whole argument rests on something fundamental. Changing in the 70s. I'm Grant. I'll just grant everything you said. Agrippa's trilemma, whatever you want. Birth rates have been on the decline since industrialization. I didn't.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That actually was a pretty good one because in our debate she kept throwing that out like she knew what that, how that was relevant to what I was arguing. And that's another reason why I used this whole questionnaire pop quiz thing was Number one, she did it because she kept asking, do you even know this? Do you even know this? Do you know this? Do you even know this? This with her random terminology, Chad, GPT gibberish. So that's why I later said, I don't actually think you know. You're not even educated in philosophy, but you presented yourself as if you are a philosophy degree person. I don't think you are. And she's not, as we have seen, thus the sued presentation. So that's why the Agrippa's trilema thing was irrelevant to what we were arguing. And she was just throwing it in there to give this impression of like

[Jay Dyer]

this sophistication that no women ever worked before the 70s. I said, that's the point where it really accelerated and took off and became mainstream, totally socially acceptable, the norm now if you're a stay at home mom, that's the weird creepy thing. That's when that changed. It doesn't matter. It started in the 1800s with industrialization, urbanization and women going to work. Yes. That's when the birth rates began to decline. And the sexual liberation stuff, whether it's no fault, divorce, birth control pills, abortion, the overall thing, and the only thing that matters in this argument is what are we going to do about demographics. Because it doesn't matter what they're doing in Saudi Arabia, it doesn't matter when the gold standard happened, it doesn't matter when or how women got into the workforce. We are now in a position where, where all.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, when I, when I was first walking into this, I got there a little bit late. She was making this long presentation about the gold standard. I'm like, what does this have to do with feminism? Like she's going on and on about the gold standard. I'm like, the gold standard? What are you talking about? What's that got to do with feminism?

[Jay Dyer]

Western nations are in the exact same boat that when you shove all the women into the workforce and tell them this is what you need to be doing and focusing on. And you need a two income household now to survive. No one has babies.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So good point by Rachel there. But what's really notable here is that the debate itself is actually not about is feminism 100% the cause of the demographic collapse. The debate is whether or not feminism has done more harm or good.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

And the problem that that was also our debate's prompt was is feminism or patriarchy better for society? And she's there to debate, has feminism helped women?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Like what Kyla has here is that her worldview this liberal, progressive feminist worldview actually advocates for the very thing that they are arguing for right now, which is women entering higher education and the workforce at staggering rates, which inevitably collapses the birth rate and ultimately society. And she's actually conceded to this, that women's participation in the workforce, in higher education, pretty much wherever you look at it, is the number one reason why birth rates and demographics tend to fall. So at this point, Rachel is very much on the front foot in this debate because of all of the concessions that Kyla has made here. So now Kyla needs to try and come up with a solution to this problem that fits within her feminist paradigm. And the solution that she puts forth needs to be stronger than what Rachel's solutions might be, which is trying to reverse the cultural effects of feminism and essentially trying to dismantle feminist progressivism. So let's see how that goes.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm not blaming every economic problem on feminism. I'm blaming one economic problem, the only one that matters, which is demographics, called states. There's a lot of different.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

There they still have above replacement because all the women are working.

[Rachel Wilson]

They don't. They're under replacement.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I do it the same way that Rachel didn't interrupt the whole.

[Jay Dyer]

The whole world is going this way. So all the countries that are still above replacement, which is only a handful, are trending down. And when those people. So you said immigrants, you're right. Saudi Arabia imports their entire workforce. We're trying to do that in the West. And what happens? Number one, all the places we're trying to bring immigrants from are now getting below replacement as well. So you're running out of other people to bring over. But two, when you bring those people over from those cultures where there's no feminism into the west, within one generation, their birth rate drops to as low as the native population in the West. So you bring someone over from Pakistan, where the birth rate is still like one of the highest in the world, you bring them to the UK where there's feminism, you send their daughters to college and send their daughters to the workforce. They also only have 1.5 children per women. So, no, my claim. You're straw manning me again. My claim is not every economic problem is caused by feminism. Of course not. But the one that is caused by feminism will be the only one that matters. Because if there's no people, there's no future. And you still haven't told me how you're going to combat that. How are you going to have your first world feminist utopia where the men and the Women both work.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I saw this part. I'm trying to remember. She, I forget what her. Her solution was something like gdp. I forget what exactly what her solution is. I forget she does offer some kind of solution. She keeps it because she repeats it later part time.

[Jay Dyer]

Everyone gets to stay home, however we're going to work that everybody gets to follow their dreams and do what they want.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's called a strawman.

[Jay Dyer]

How do we get to do that with below replacement birth rates?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

How is it a straw, man? She's asking the question if women are

[Jay Dyer]

working, they're not going to have babies. And that's the only part of my argument that matters.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure, yeah. For two minutes I've responded to this multiple times, which again, declining birth rate is not feminism, it is modernization. This is why Saudi Arabia.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

As if not she's asking you what the solution is, not what is it? Good grief, dude. It's like talking to a freaking. This is. And I remember feeling this way at the the debate with her. It's like this is like talking to like a 13 year old or a 11 year old when it's like, you know, you're like I told you to be home by, by midnight. And they come home at like 1 in the morning. And it's like you said be home at midnight. It's not technically midnight, it's 1am and you said be home at midnight. I'm not. And it's not midnight. It's like, are you really just gonna like talk your way out of everything through technicality? This is crazy.

[Rachel Wilson]

Has a decline which by the way is below replacement. Saudi Arabia's is like 1.7 right now. So no, they not replacing themselves.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Quick fact check here guys. That is actually not true. Saudi Arabia is at about 2.3 births per woman and among the native Saudi population without expats or immigrants, it's about 2.8. So they are replacing themselves at the moment. But let's carry on.

[Rachel Wilson]

Birth rate decline is because as you modernize and give people more education, they choose to postpone marriage and they have less.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So that would mean that birth rates decline through modernization and feminism is an aspect of modernization and women going to college and postponing being mothers, etc, that's conceding the point. So the question is then how do we fix that problem in your view,

[Rachel Wilson]

children as a result of it. It's really that simple. But that's not feminism. That is actually education. That's cap.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Those are all the things that you attach to feminism because you said feminism is anything that empowers women, which is education and etc. So it is feminism. Even on your own view, you goober.

[Rachel Wilson]

And it's kind of the Protestant work ethic, because if there's any system that

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

tells you delay notice, she's lying and she's being deceptive because she defined feminism as anything that empowers women. And she included education in that in my debate. And now she's saying that's not feminism, that's modernization. Women being educated, according to you, is empowering and therefore is feminism. This is so stupid.

[Rachel Wilson]

Vacation, hustle and work hard. Make sure you're a steward of the future. It's probably something like a capitalist system with economic incentive to grow, grow, grow, and a Protestant work ethic that says work, work, work. That's what you're actually contending with here. Does feminism have impact on certain things? Yeah, I think it's made women particularly significantly more choosy. Like their partners, for example. But if you look at these bad college women, for example, they're the group getting married more than anyone else since 2010. They are the highest population to get married. Their marriages last longer. They have a divorce rate.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

That's the question was about the replacement. The replacement rate. Okay, so she's listing off all the sputtering out all this facts, which who even knows these facts are accurate. How does this replace the population in terms of population problems? That's what I'm waiting for.

[Rachel Wilson]

Way lower than everyone else, by the way. Their children are more successful. Their children contribute to the economy significantly more. I'd love to get those ladies having children more too. Let's invest in more technologies to kind of help them increase their window of ivf. But I'm sure you're opposed to that.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So her answer is more technologies that increase the IVF window. Okay, so I was. At least she's giving an answer I've been waiting for. What's the solution? That's what. And that's what it was. I remember now in the debate because she brings it up towards. She brings it up later on. She says more, more ivf, more ivf, more technology will solve the problem. So like transhumanism, I mean, transhumanism and that. All of that is essentially part of depopulation and dysgenics and sterilization. And transhumanism has nothing to do with increasing the population. This is so silly, right?

[Rachel Wilson]

There's all sorts. Let's get tax credits. Yeah, let's laugh at it. You guys want to solve the birth rate problem, unless you actually have solutions that are about modernization. Because your actual enemy here today, the

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

question was, what is your solutions on

[Rachel Wilson]

your paradigm isn't feminism, it's modernization, and we're never going back.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But you said that feminism is anything that empowers women. And if modernization brings education and education empowers women, then that's feminism to monkey.

[Rachel Wilson]

So you may as well give up on that one.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

And the only reason people were clapping is that there was a two rows of destiny and his goobers there. That's it. It's not. There's 500 people at this. The majority of these people are not clapping for her. There's two rows of destiny and the goblin crew that are there.

[Jay Dyer]

Okay, so first of all, you said it's a capitalism problem along with the modernization problem. That doesn't explain how communist China and communist Russia had this happen to them first before any capitalist nation. Because in communism it was, yeah, have the babies, but. But mainly go to work because we need to fill the factories and we. Everybody needs to be a proletariat worker. Right? They experienced this before capitalist countries did, and to the biggest degree. So it can't just be capitalism. Second of all, telling women to wait to have children because IVF will be there. People who say that haven't looked into IVF and how abysmal the failure rate is. First of all, it's massively expensive. And even if you completely subsidized it like they do in Israel, it's horrific to put women through. Have you ever had to inject yourself with a crap ton of hormones and go through all the things that you have to go through for IVF? It's miserable. And if you wait until you're 40, it has a less than 10 success rate about.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So this was her solution. Technology and ivf. This is so stupid.

[Jay Dyer]

Same as conceiving naturally. It doesn't work.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

All right, so Kyla's solution is something along the lines of IVF and tax incentives. And I'm not sure exactly what she means by tax incentives, but generally these progressives, and she does mention this in the debate, tend to talk about paternal leave, subsidized childcare, and these sorts of things. And ivf, like Rachel said, is a terrible solution. I mean, Israel is the most IVF generous country in the entire world with essentially free unlimited access to IVF. And even there, it accounts for only 4 to 5% of births in Israel. So it's essentially like bringing a mop to a flood. And in terms of government assistance, parental leave, these sorts of things, you can simply just look at Scandinavia. Finland is the country with arguably the most generous parental leave and subsidized childcare in the entire world. They even have a baby box program where Finland gives everybody.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

It's so funny. This is the classic leftist progressive move too, right? When all of these problems are created by leftism, progressivism, and you ask them what's the solution to the problems? More leftism and more progressivism, of course. Right? This is crazy.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Expectant mother of a baby, a box of essential. And the box itself even doubles as the baby's first crib. And Finland's birth rate is at 1.25. And the other Scandinavian countries with all of these government subsidies paint the exact same picture. And the reason why this doesn't work, and it's just an abject failure, is because these policies actually incentivize the opposite. They incentivize women to offset and delay having a family and instead pursue Korea. And the reason why is because the amount of benefits they get is directly tied to their earnings before they had

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

yeah, I just want all of my tax money, one zillion dollars of tax money going to IVF in Israel. This is so crazy. By the way, Kyla is a big pro Z, big Z by the way, children.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So they're essentially encouraged to climb the corporate ladder as much as possible before having kids and then have some buzzer beater babies. Hungary, on the other hand, gave mothers of four or more children a full lifetime tax exemption along with other grants tied to childbearing and not career milestones. This way they can have children early and then work after if they would like to, or work when the kids are at school or something like this, and then they'll never have to pay tax again. So the Hungarian model rewards women for having children regardless of previous earnings, whilst the Scandinavian model rewards the career and then treats the baby as a payout. And the Hungarian model was actually able to put a dent in the collapsing birth rate. And so now for the absolute best part of the debate, one of the best mic drops ever. But we have to start by watching Kyla try and condescend to Rachel about some historical philosopher of some sort of. She asks Rachel, well, do you know this biologist? Do you know this philosopher? Check this out.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You know, so again, this is why I did this. Because she kept trying to do this condescending, do you even know this this? And then spits off random shit. Okay, this is so stupid. So the dum dums that don't know the context think that I'm doing this. I'm doing this to show that she's the suede for doing this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Andrew, sometimes deal with this idea that,

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

like, guns are an equalizer, as in

[Dinesh D'Souza]

they can sort of minimize the distance

[Andrew Wilson]

between men and women in terms of

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

physical force they can exert.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And.

[Andrew Wilson]

And I know you have problems with

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

that argument, but I can pretty easily

[Andrew Wilson]

imagine a future where a technology that's a true equalizer, like maybe gene editing is just one example, could just be

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

reality, not so far from now. So I just wanted to ask, what

[Jake Rattlesnake]

does that world look like to you?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

And in a way, does it make

[Andrew Wilson]

kind of an egalitarian philosophy or fact of life inevitable?

[Jay Dyer]

Does the gene editing you're talking about make it so that men can have babies?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Probably not for a while. Probably not for a long time.

[Jay Dyer]

Then I would say no. Will it make it so that we have women that are the same rough size and strength as men? Because if it's.

[Rachel Wilson]

Basically.

[Jay Dyer]

Unless you're gonna turn.

[Rachel Wilson]

A famous biologist here, by the way, knows a lot about crispr, I'm sure.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

First of all, everybody knows what CRISPR is because it's been in the news for, like, seven years. This is not some kind of own. And by the way, you're not a biologist because you know the term crispr, which you heard in mainstream media like everyone else. This is so stupid.

[Rachel Wilson]

Did you know that that's what the technology is called, by the way? It's crispr.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So notice she did this constantly. Like, do you even know this? Do you even know this? Do you even know this? That's why I got her with this 100 proof. And I knew. I knew one year later she would still not know the answer to the same thing I asked her a year before.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, thanks, Mrs. Turner.

[Rachel Wilson]

Look, baby girl, you're gonna love when I go through your book, okay?

[Jay Dyer]

When she educates.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

All right?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

When.

[Rachel Wilson]

When did Hypatia. Who's Hypatia, by the way?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Why is she asking who A random female Neoplatonists. This has nothing to do with this debate. Do you even know who Hypatia is? Do you even know who Loqua is? You know my cousin? Do you even know my cousin Loqua?

[Jay Dyer]

Look, I can. Look, you're. You're like meth spurging, and I can't right now.

[Rachel Wilson]

You can keep, like, insulting me, Rachel,

[Dinesh D'Souza]

but between me and you, I'm mogging

[Rachel Wilson]

you every single day.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I'm mogging you every single day. Why are you asking random about who a midi. An early middle. Like a female Neoplatonist. Is like, what are you talking about? The next question.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, you don't want answers, do you?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So, Hypatia. Who is Hypatia? She asks. Apparently this is some ancient female philosopher. And Kyla looks extremely smug about this one. She looks very happy with herself. And never before have I actually seen something come back to bite someone in the ass so hard live. Because Jay Dyer, who happens to know a thing or two about philosophy, comes to ask her a question. And this one isn't even about a random historical figure.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You asked Rachel about Hypatia. So being an educated philosophy person, could you name one work by Aristotle and one by Hagel?

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure. I don't know what works by Hagel, by the way.

[Jay Dyer]

If I'd have known that's what she was saying, I would have answered. I couldn't understand her because she just talks like, with a dry Adderall mouth and I couldn't understand.

[Rachel Wilson]

You're like, slowing down with your age. It's a little hard to keep up.

[Jay Dyer]

No, I'm just saying, who's not on speed?

[Rachel Wilson]

Aristotle would be the five dialogues. Plato.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So potentially the greatest mic drop I have ever seen in my entire life. Maybe think twice before you start doing the philosophy pop quiz with people.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, man, there's no problem.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

It's cool.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's cool.

[Jay Dyer]

Cool.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Damn right it's cool.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

How you like me now?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

My boy's waiting.

[Jay Dyer]

Smack.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Anyways, guys, great debate. If you enjoyed it, don't forget to smash that, like, button. Certainly if you made it this far. Subscribe to the channel.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Subscribe.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Props to Jake for that excellent video. That was really well done and definitely Rachel won that debate by far. All right, so I'll give you guys the rest of the clip to the Jake debate here if you want to watch this later. And we got to get to the last of today's, which was the final grand finale, the final event of the political debate, which was Dinesh and Andrew. And as you can imagine, Dinesh did not do well. It was an absolute demolishing. I don't think anybody thinks Dinesh won that debate. As you survey the. The comments, let's see if we can find a clip of that. So the full debate is up and we'll go ahead and watch Jake's.

[Andrew Wilson]

It's my ranch.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I got the D summary clip here as well. But the full debate, as I said, is up and the. The only. Let's see. So the full J versus Naim is up. The full. The Jake. Me versus Jake is not up yet. But these others are up as well. So you can watch these.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'm fighting for that. Do I have a right to go over to my neighbor and demand that he help?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, no.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wait.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

What?

[Jay Dyer]

Huh?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Hold on. So the man who insisted that Israel is a secular state makes a convenient switcheroo.

[Andrew Wilson]

Perfect. I love this trap. Is secular ethics evil?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yes.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, yes, you got me. Let's pretend Israel's destroyed in a single day by its Islamic neighbors. How the hell does that negatively affect the United States?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

What we're talking about is a buyout of the United States. Muslims say they're going to do it, they are doing it.

[Andrew Wilson]

All that stands in their way is 10 million Jews.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You started out.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Welcome back to Rattlesnake TV. Guys, in this video, we have got one that I've been waiting for for a very long time. It's Dinesh d' Souza versus Andrew Wilson on whether Christians have a moral obligation to support Israel. Now the debate nerds are going to love this one. We've got two of the best debaters out there. Two absolute heavyweights at the peak of their powers debating a subject that is extremely topical and divisive. So well done to James from modern day debate for organizing this one. If you guys haven't been to a debate con, you definitely should at some point. And with that, let's get into the clips, starting with a little bit of.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Wait till you see the next one. Like, can you imagine what me versus David Wood is going to be like? That's going to be insane.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Key context from Andrew Wilson's opening statement.

[Andrew Wilson]

Dinesh's view comes down to a whole bunch of really stupid propositions that actually make no sense. Note I'm not calling Dinesh stupid, he's far from it. But even intelligent people can believe stupid propositions and often do. Christians need to support a Jewish state of Israel because their ethics and Christian ethics overlap. This is something which Dinesh has said multiple times. The reason this is a stupid proposition is because the modern state of Israel is a secular state. This state supports abortion and most of the public supports it. They have pregnancy termination boards which grant 99% of applications abortions up to 24 weeks and beyond. They support gay marriage and while not marrying gays themselves, as there is no civil marriage authority, they recognize all out of country gay marriages as valid and all. Gay cohabitation has identical social and financial rights. Let that sink in. They are extremely pro transgender and their public health care system provides generously for trans surgery and voice mod training. According spaced one second here. According to their own Polling, the Israeli Institute for gender and LGBTQ studies has supported 75% or more for homosexual acceptance, advocacy, and gender care, which includes 90% from secular Jews and. And even over 50% from the religious Orthodox Jews. Now I can keep going. Women in the military, IVF programs, national health care, prostitution, pornography. These are libtards, essentially, who live in Israel that Dinesh wants us to support a whole nation of them. Christian ethics here in the USA determines that we resist these things in our own nations. Why would we support other nations which codify these things as law any more than we would Sharia law?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

All right, so Andrew starts here by defining Israel as a secular liberal state. Abortion, gay marriage, trans health care, the whole list. And he asks why Christians have some sort of a moral obligation to support and fund a country whose ethics look nothing like Christian ethics. This is important because it cuts to the heart of the argument here, but it's only one side of it. But it will be a very key aspect of the debate moving forward. And this is a position that is, mind you, applied. Equally, based on his logic, he would have the same position for other secular nations and supporting them in their troubles. And of course, it goes without saying that it's the same for Islamic countries, which is pretty hilarious allegation that gets thrown around these days. I mean, one minute you're a Zionist in one debate, and in the next debate you're an Islamist. As if there's only two options. But anyway, let's carry on.

[Andrew Wilson]

These people who are in this desert, completely surrounded by Islamic lunatics, less safe there than they are in Western nations. Yes or no?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, they are. They are more safe in Western nations with fewer Islamic fanatics.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

The other thing that was interesting about this debate, I've only watched a handful of Dinesh debates. I mean, I think that he's had some moments in the past where he did pretty good. For example, he used to. He did a tag debate. Actually, surprisingly many years ago, I saw a tag debate. I think we might have even covered Dinesh's tag debate where he was pro tag and he did pretty good. But the. The thing here, he does terrible here. I mean, just does terrible. It's. There's a lot of deflecting and haggling over words and talking around and not giving a clear answer on purpose, which it's just. He didn't do good.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why do I have to beat these things out of you? Because you just agree with me.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, it's like pulling teeth, right?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Because. Because you are pursuing a tactic of pretending like you're making a point when there is actually no point to be made. If a country. If a country based on a common identity in their own ancestral homeland is. It's like saying, I have a ranch. I'm surrounded by outlaws who want to burn down my ranch, rape my wife, kill my kids. And you go, well, why don't you then? Give up your homeland, Give up your ranch. You're obviously safer if you move somewhere else. And I'm like, no, this actually is my homeland. I have every right to be here. And all I want is the right to fight back against these monsters who also hate you and declare you America to be their Great Satan. I'm their little Satan. And you're pretending like you're doing us a massive favor.

[Andrew Wilson]

You're giving me or inscribing all sorts of positions to me that I haven't given, which is hilarious, for one thing. Let's use your random example, okay? You're absolutely 100,000% correct. I have outlaws. They're all around my little ranch, right? It's my ranch. I got the deed. I'm fighting for that shit. Do I have a right to go over to my neighbor and demand that he help?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, no. Wait. What? Hold on, hold on.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wait. What did you say?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, I said. I said. I said by itself, no. If you.

[Andrew Wilson]

By itself, no.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

If the rant. If your ranch was encircled and your neighbor's ranch was not imperiled at all, and if your neighbor had nothing to do with it, then you're right. You would be appealing on the basis of, like, mercy or common heritage. You would be in Churchill's position.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

And this is the thing, like, at no point in this debate, really, did Dinesh explain why there is an ought. Right. Obviously, he takes a position that we ought to, but he doesn't justify or give an account for why we ought to. Right now, he talked a lot. He yapped a lot. There's a lot of analogies. A lot of, think about it like a criminal. Think about it like a police officer. But at no point in the analogies did it explain why we ought. It was just sort of like, well, obviously you ought, because think about a criminal, you know, a police officer battling a bunch of criminals. Okay, how is that translated into we ought?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Because the Nazis have not attacked America. America faced no immediate danger from Hitler, and Churchill basically was reduced to begging. But the United States entered in on the. On the. On the Allied side.

[Rachel Wilson]

Why?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Because we have historical. More.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This is so stupid. Like what?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Oral, philosophical, even spiritual continuities If I

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

remember, this is where Pearl harbor comes out. Right.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

And we came to the aid of Europe for that reason.

[Andrew Wilson]

More like the Japanese attacked us and blew up our entire Pacific Fleet and drug us into a massive war. Do we just forget, like, the whole big part?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I think you. I think you've got your dates all garbled. The Germans invaded Poland in 1939. Right. The United States, yes, did get into the war in 1947. But the point I'm trying to.

[Andrew Wilson]

Wait, wait, what?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

What? I'm saying that the American ranch was not threatened.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, no. What did you say before that?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay, well, let me put this way.

[Andrew Wilson]

No, what did you say before that

[Dinesh D'Souza]

the United States could have fought against Japan and left the Nazis alone.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, I thought before I was getting my dates all mixed up. No, you weren't like.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

No, I'm saying the United States had no reason to fight in the European theater when the attack.

[Andrew Wilson]

Except that Germany declared war on us.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Germany did declare war on the United States, but we had no.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This is so silly. Like, what reason to go to war

[Andrew Wilson]

except for philosophical reasons?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Exactly. And so here you have the Iranian parliament burning the American flag. Here you have Hamas and Hezbollah declaring that we are their enemy, no less than Israel, we are the infidels from the point of view of Islam. But according to you, our ranch is not threatened. I think it is. I think our ranch and their ranch are both in the sights of the bad guys who have a massive global movement.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, as if Hamas and Iran and Alawites and Hezbollah and Sunni, Shia, Sunni, Salafi, as if they're all united to fight America. Now, he's got to know that if you've debated Muslims for a while, Sunni and Shia hate each other more than I think either of them hate America. That would be my assumption. So this is preposterous, really. Just boomer slop. As if there's this giant unified Islamic world fighting America, the great Satan. Nothing can be further from the truth, especially when we think about timber, Sycamore, Western US, Israel, support for ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. It all becomes preposterous.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

By the way, they're not content to fight over there.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on, hang on.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

All right, so that was a very high level exchange. I enjoyed that one. Dinesh was sort of put on the ropes there, and he had to roll with the punches and also try and land a few counters of his own. What we just saw here was Dinesh obviously trying to use an analogy or hypothetical. And analogies can be very effective in debates by the Way.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Almost all of Dinesh's argument, as I remember it was just him coming up with various hypotheticals. It was, it was hypothetic hypotheticals because

[Jake Rattlesnake]

they're designed to test your opponent's logic. And this is why the. How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning? That whole meme, why that became very popular, even though, sorry to burst a few bubbles, but it's not, not the greatest hypothetical because it's not normally structurally related to the debate. But anyways, this analogy here was. And whilst it is a good tool, it can also massively backfire if you misuse it. Because a seasoned debater, if they catch that, will just put you through the wringer. They will put you through the meat grinder of the analogy stress test. And the real test of the logic that undergirds your analogy is when they take it out of the parameters that you set. And that's what we're seeing here. My ranch, my right to defend it. Fine. Andrew never touches that part. He actually extends it. Does the rancher get to walk over and conscript the neighbor too? And I know that this is getting into a little bit of debate autism, but that gap between the parameters that you set with the analogy and the stress test, that will make or break your argument, essentially. So, I mean, high risk, high reward. But Dinesh did pretty well there. I mean, he's a smart and seasoned debater. So he took a brief moment, then he shifted the argument to a different, more favourable analogy of World War II. I would say Andrew won the exchange overall, but that well played to both.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Gentlemen, we're talking about evil in two completely different senses. There is a. There is a sense in which evil heresy is evil. Right. Because it departs from the theological straight path.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This is where Dinesh really begins to crumble. Because this problem of trying to make heresy only equivalent to Islam totally backfires when you bring in Rabbinic Judaism.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

In fact, Orthodoxy means a straight back. Heresy means a deviation. Sure, we're talking about evil in a more natural law sense. By which I mean I believe in natural law. You don't believe in natural law. Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

Do you believe in law proponent? Because I'm not a Catholic. Sure, the Ten Commandments are fine.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Do you believe that? If that. Do you believe. Well, I mean, you believe that to take a five year old kid and forcibly transition that kid is evil.

[Andrew Wilson]

Of course.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay, now is that the same as the kind of evil that you were describing when you were talking about Christian heresy? I mean, in other words, Judaism is a Heresy. And that's one type of evil. I think there's another type of evil. Murder is evil.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

So notice he made a huge mistake. That's going to bite him in a minute. Because he admits that Judaism is a heresy, and then he's going to try to say that we have a duty to support Israel because Islam is a heresy. Duh. And then he tries to shift. I'm going from memory. Then he tries to shift to saying, well, look, God providentially uses evil rulers to fight against other rulers, so we should support even an evil ruler in some cases. And then it's like. You mean Muslims. Right? It's like. That's the problem with going with this line of argument is like, once you admit that Judaism. Judaism is also heresy, like Islam. Now, there's no clear way to delineate between which of the two heresies you support in this analogy of God can use an evil ruler. Okay, so if you're gonna say God can use Israel even if they have evil rulers, then God uses Muslims even though they have. This is so stupid.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Wilson]

I just want to make sure I got it right. So when you're making the differentiation, you're saying, this is evil and this is evil. This is a lesser evil than this one.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I'm saying that this is a force for good in combating this evil.

[Andrew Wilson]

Yeah, but you're still saying both are evil. If you're saying both are evils, if

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

both are heresies, then how are you delineating which of the two heresies is the good one?

[Andrew Wilson]

You want us to support the lesser evil?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I certainly do believe that there are many cases of supporting the lesser evil evil.

[Andrew Wilson]

Then aren't you admitting Jewish ideology is evil?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, I'm admitting that Jewish theology is a heresy, or at least.

[Andrew Wilson]

And that is evil.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It's evil in its rejection of Christianity. I agree with that theologically, of course, but.

[Andrew Wilson]

So you're just saying support evil to stop evil. Support evil and to stop evil. Perfect.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

So the man who insisted that Israel is a secular state makes a convenient switcheroo and is now making Israel a theological state which is out of sync with Christianity. Go one way or the other. You're trapped on your actions.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Why would we have to go one way or the other when their position is a both and right? It's neither just an ethnic state nor a religious position. It is both. So why are we supposed to choose either one? This is stupid, actually.

[Andrew Wilson]

Perfect. I love this trap. Okay, is secular ethics evil?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yes.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. So even if you Go with the route of it being a secular state. That's evil. So now do we go with the secular Jewish state, the evil Islamic state, the Jewish heresy state. They're all evil. So how are we supposed to know Dinesh, why? We're supposed to. Therefore, we ought to support Israel. This is so stupid.

[Andrew Wilson]

Oh, you got me.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Wow. We have had. We have had secular ethics in the world for about 500 years at least, and we have secular ethics to dominate this country right now. Would you say that the United States right now is evil?

[Andrew Wilson]

I would say that the secularists who are in charge of it are fucking evil.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay, okay. But. But.

[Andrew Wilson]

Evil fucking bastards.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But notice. But notice that when it comes to Israel, you foist the evil on the nation. When it comes to.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

No, he didn't. That's. Now he's doing a straw man and he's trying to pull the. Oh, you're an anti Semite. This is what they do.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You're Pro American. Your Fourth of July, your 250th anniversary, you're America. Rah, rah, rah. But there are these bad secular people in the country. You're against them, but you're not anti American, are you?

[Andrew Wilson]

Perfect. Let's use this.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Are you.

[Andrew Wilson]

Exact same analogy. Okay, we'll use the exact same analogy back the other way. Right here in the United States, there's tons and tons and tons of Christians. They're not evil. Right. We don't consider them evil. They're not evil. Trinitarian Christians are not evil. You don't believe it? I don't believe it. Great. That's not an evil ideology. The second risk in charge of the United States are evil bastards with an evil ideology. You agree? Let's move it over to Israel's.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Dude, it's like, is. Is Dinesh not that smart?

[Rachel Wilson]

Maybe.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Like, I'm starting to wonder.

[Andrew Wilson]

Same analogy. If you have a Jewish state, the secular Jews, evil ideology, the Jewish theology, which also exists there. Evil ideology. So both of these that we're combating are evil ideologies. You want us to support both of those evil ideologies to take out another evil ideology, when right here we have an evil ideology we're combating in our own nation in order to support the ideology which isn't evil. Christianity. Perfect.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Now, now.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

All right, so that was a major concession there by Dinesh, and he actually would have been wiser to maybe play some semantics with the word evil. But the problem is he'd already conceded previously in the debate that that which you would call evil would be that which leads you away from Christianity or leads you away from Christ or leads you away from participating in the energies of God, as Andrew said. And obviously Judaism, being a heretical theology, does that. But there's also an important fallacy at play here. And Dinesh has been using this fallacy, and it's the equivocation fallacy. This is when somebody uses the same word to mean two different things in the same argument. Plain, fast, and loose.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, and basically we saw that with almost every debate that we've analyzed tonight. Kyla was relying heavily on equivocation. I don't know if we saw it with Jake, but we saw it with Naim. So we've been seeing that a lot,

[Jake Rattlesnake]

with definitions, if you will. So earlier in the debate, Dinesh called Israel secular to get past the concern that its religious factions could produce a false messiah. And here, the second Andrew gets him to admit secular ethics are evil and points that same standard at Israel. Dinesh reframed to the country being God's chosen instrument. And this is where.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yep, this is where Dinesh crumbled.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

You'll notice the equivocation fallacy. Israel means two different things, or Israel represents two different things, depending on what the current objection is. And Andrew catches it and calls it what it is, which is the switchero. But anyway, both points actually end up working against Dineshi because actually, secular and Jewish, both in his own worldview, he admitted it before, would point to evil. Now, after this, he actually presents a stronger argument here, which is that Islam represents the greater evil. So let's have a listen.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah. By the way, you'll notice this is like cascading crash and burn 10.

[Andrew Wilson]

Seriously, pretend game out the hypothetical with me. Israel's destroyed in a single day by its Islamic neighbors. Okay? That's what happens. It's gone. Let's just say how the hell does that negatively affect the United States? What is it going to do to the average citizen here if that happens? Even if Muslims are getting super uppity and want their caliphate, What. What does it do?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Let's play it out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Let's.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay, so number one, the. Let's assume that a juggernaut launched out of, let's say Iran and Qatar takes Israel. And not only that, but now all the other Gulf kingdoms are intimidated, and so they submit to a single unified force. Let's just call it the United States of Islam, okay? And that's the whole Middle east, okay? It is fantastically rich. It has nuclear weapons and it has a suicidal and genocidal ideology. That says we love death, we don't like life. These guys, right, are now going to start bankrolling the Islamic project in America to a degree that you can hardly imagine. So we are now talking about the fact and let's just game it out. You want to game it out? Let's game it out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Every politician in Texas, by and large, if you want to get their attention, just write them a check for $10,000 and they will call you within a week. Within a week to hear you out and what's on your mind. Now imagine an Islamic regime, 2 billion people in the world with almost infinite resources offering every US Congressman $100 million in their pack if they vote on the side of Islam. What percentage of Democrats do you think would say no? I would submit it's about 1 or 2%. What percentage of Republicans would say no? I submit it's about 10%.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay, great.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

My son in law included.

[Andrew Wilson]

Okay.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

But what we're basically talking about is a buyout of the United States of America Inc. This is on the table. The Muslims say they're going to do it. They are doing it. We would force.

[Andrew Wilson]

All that stands in their way is 10 million Jews.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

You started out.

[Andrew Wilson]

All that stands in the way of all of the Muslim world uniting even though there's nukes there now, even though they have a shared value to destroy Israel now is 10 million Jews that are sitting. That's the stupidest thing that I ever heard. Here's actually.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, you like?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, why? This is so stupid. Like is he actually arguing that Israel is the only thing keeping the entire zillion Muslims from taking over the world? This is so dumb.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on, hang on. Let's get it out.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Andrew Wilson]

I'll game it out a different way.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay.

[Andrew Wilson]

They destroy Israel in a single day. Isn't it equally possible that they open up relations with the United States and the rest of the west because they want to enter into massive trade agreements? Because it is the case that they want their own people groups to thrive. Because it is the case that they are geographically landlocked away from Europe for the most part indefinitely? The United States isn't the case that we could then get oil for cheaper. Isn't it then the case that there's all sorts of trade agreements we could have that we no longer have to sanction them on because we don't have to have this protectorate there? That's equally logically possible. The problem that you have here. I'm not saying that this should happen. I'm pointing out an Analogy that you are making the determinative kind of quality here that 10 million Jews are stopping this nightmare scenario. And it's absurd. That's not what's actually going on. What's actually going on is the United States military is what's stopping that nightmare scenario, not 10 million Jews in the United States. And if we had mass migration of Christians to that region for their own holy land, for them to have their own holy relics, for them to have the Holy land back to them, that region would be infinitely safer than it is right this second.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

All right, so that's what I've been saying. Like, why is that land not Christian land? Right. Let's have that medieval, you know, Byzantine Christian kingdom.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

One of my favorite sections of the debate there. I really enjoyed that because both of the analogies were quite strong there. I mean, first of all, the Nesha scenario about the Islamic Caliphate coming together to buy out the United States Congress is certainly not impossible. I mean, look at the impact APAC is.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

I mean, yeah, it's not impossible, but does Dinesh not know who actually owns Congress?

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Able to have on the Republican and the Democratic Party? Look at Europe and how the Qataris are funding mega billion dollar mosques and Islamic centers, and the European politicians are, for whatever reason, allowing it. And this is a significant threat. Dinesh is absolutely right about that. It is a hypothetical. But, you know, we are seeing this sort of play out. It's a bigger problem in Europe than it is in America. But if you look at the demographic trends and if you look at migration patterns, it could certainly be a big problem in the future. But right now, it's definitely Europe's problem. But Andrew's point here also holds up. A newly unified wealthy bloc has much more gain from opening relations with the west than from fighting it. And remember, guys, this is all speculation at the end of the day. So anyway, one more clip I wanted to play here for you. It was towards the end of the debate, they had a little philosophy, bro, back and forth, and I found it really entertaining. So let's check it out.

[Andrew Wilson]

Usually you guys are just used to me taking our position, but for once he had to defend a position. I thought it was important that he did, but I did not think he would have an ought. No, because I don't think it's. It's easy to make one for this.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

All right, so let me say a word about this. Somehow there is a distinction between an is and an ought. There's a certain naive view that that an is and an ought are unconnected. That somehow if you say an is, no ought follows from the is. This is. It doesn't. It doesn't.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Does he not know this? This is like, this is pretty basic philosophy. So I'm not sure where Dinesh thinks he's going to go with this.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hume's guillotine.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Yeah, exactly. And Hume. And Hume is not only out of step with the mainstream of philosophy. It would.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

What does that have to do. It doesn't matter whether Hume is, is instep or out of step with anybody. Like, what's the logical connection between how you get an ought from an is?

[Jay Dyer]

Hold on.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I do. Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Want to let Dinesh finish? Want to let Dinesh finish?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

I'm very familiar with Hume. Don't get me wrong.

[Andrew Wilson]

That door is gray. It implies what Ought.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Okay, what implies what? Ought. All right. I am an author. I ought to write some books. I just gave you an is. That implies an ought. I am an.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Okay, no, that's not. The question is about moral oughts. And so, yeah, you could say that in the idea of the telos or the meaning of certain names or phrases, there is a, you know, implication about what it signifies. But we, in the context of what we're talking about, it's moral ought, not any art. Right. So the idea of a moral ought from an is is the whole debate. So this is just a text technicality that's not really addressing. And the debate is about moral odds, not any odd author.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

That's an is. I ought to write some book. He is a doctor. He ought to cure people.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

We're going to jump to one. This is the last question.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

This is a keyboard, okay. It ought to be used for computing.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

This is the last question. Yeah, but it's not moral odds. That's the. That's the thing. So if you say that, oh, well, I disagree with Hume because you can't get any old ought from an is. The whole debate relevance with atheists is moral ought and moral obligation. And that's the point that you can't get because, yeah, you might have the assumption of some purpose or some telos, but even if you're a human, you could still call into question, if you're a strict skeptic, you call into question that, well, the existence of the purpose of an author or of a keyboard or something like that, I could even deny that there is any inherent purpose in it. Right. So you're then shifting it to, well, the meaning of the term.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Right.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

The meaning of the term keyboard includes that you produce, you know, that you Use it to write things. Well, but I don't know that keyboards have within them that purpose or that telos. Right. None of that really matters because the whole usage that we have as internal critique, pre sub people for Hume's skepticism isn't about that. It's about moral obligations. What moral obligation is there if everything just is?

[Jay Dyer]

There?

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Isn't one. And so you need to provide the moral obligation behind an ought.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Gave it to you. And because you're stumped, the best thing that you can do is to guffaw because you think, you think that in classical Christian philosophy, every ought.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

All right, folks, need you to keep it down.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Jesus died for our sins. We ought to worship him. Is and ought is more closely connected than Hume conceded. Hume wanted to attack morality, and his way of attacking morality is to put all of morality in the ought column and therefore to say that no ought can come out of an is. You think Aristotle would have agreed with that?

[Andrew Wilson]

You just said, well, first of all, these are two different philosophies. But you just said. I said, this is a keyboard. And you said you ought to use it.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

It ought to be used for.

[Andrew Wilson]

Hang on, hang on. All I'm asking. I'm just gonna ask a simple question.

[Jay Dyer]

Question.

[Andrew Wilson]

How do we get to the. I ought to use it because I described that it is that thing.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Well, the.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

The art is teleologically derived, exactly as I said, telos. And the problem is that David Hume would then also question telos. Right? So it might be included within the idea of a thing that has this purpose. But if you're a human skeptic, not only do you not believe in moral oughts, you also don't believe in telos,

[Dinesh D'Souza]

the thing that it is. I mean, a lot of the argument. Why can't.

[Andrew Wilson]

Why can't I just use it as a paper?

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Wait, Okay. A lot of the classical argument against homosexuality is that you have a rear end. It ought to be used for the purpose of excretion and not to stick large objects in it. Right? There is an art coming out of an is. There you go.

[Andrew Wilson]

That does not defer women.

[Dinesh D'Souza]

Women are constructed in a certain way. We do. Hold on. Women are built.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yeah, we know that from a Christian paradigm that assumes and believes in telos, that that makes sense, that certain things have purpose. But the question is, from a Christian paradigm, how do you show us that we have the moral obligation to support the atheist, socialist nation state of Israel? And that was never shown. And so it is perfectly accurate to bring Hume's skepticism in for the Moral

[Dinesh D'Souza]

argument in a certain way. That is the is right.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

So, I mean, there we have it, guys. Dinesh has solved Hume's guillotine. But anyway, I don't really have too much to say about this because both of these gentlemen's knowledge of philosophy would absolutely dwarf my own. So I'm going to stay in my lane. But I definitely did enjoy that exchange thoroughly and I would actually love to see them do an extended debate on some.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

All right, so you will see me in an extended debate with Dinesh. We don't know exactly what the prompt is, but he has agreed to, I think DebateCon 11 is what we're looking for next year. That will be a lot of fun. So shout out to Jake for that video. This Dire archive put this together a couple days ago and. Wait, that's not the one. There's another one about. Watch this before this. This one reemerged. So watch this before Dire versus d'. Souza. I'll give you guys that link. Link here. All right, let's get to the rest of these super chats. And guys, thank you for your patience. Also, when it comes to the part two of the Rothchild's biography, we will get to that this week. So I should be back to normal, you know, patterns of content this week after all the big stuff has. Has come and gone. Be sure and check out the Naim debate, which just went up live, the full debate. And then I'm sure the Jake debate will be full up live very soon. Dragod, the Lutherans are popping off. Yeah, but I mean, Lutheranism is ridiculous. Shepherd, $5. Captain Crack Rock got caught Googling in your debate, but now we have the cholo getting called out. Jay, you must hate minorities. Yeah, it's not. It's actually my fault that they're cheating. And in some way it's my. I'm guilty for that because I'm an oppressor. So it's actually I deserve. I deserve to be cheated on because I is a cracker person. Salt farmer. Austin Peterson was actually your worst debate. Oh, we always forget Austin Peterson. He's definitely in the top three. That's right. Austin Peterson, the Libertarian. If you've not seen that one, that was one of the Misfit Patriot erudite, Austin Peterson. They're probably. Probably all tied for worst. Actually, actually Peters, Austin Peterson and Misfit Patriot are probably even a little bit worse than Erudite. R. Garcia. Brian Shapiro was the worst. $5 Yamaha Banshee. Brian Shapiro could not go a single argument or topic without Fallacies and relativism. That's true. Turtle Zill Sashan. $10. Thank you for your work and content, Jay. And he sends that twice. J.B. peltier, $5. The average woman thinks that debate is just saying nuh and then arguing and saying a bunch of words. Well, you will see that with me and the large human resources woman. That woman was a human resource. She was humanity's resource. X lock said $5. I feel like you upped your aura at debacon by a hundred. I never doubted your skills, but you brought the energy that no one else had. Well, that's because I took it as a comedy routine and did. Crowd work literally. Picks paradox. $10. This is for the beverage goblin. Thank you, Ryan. $10. Despite you me frame mogging you in the photo, I don't know which dude you were. You were a merciful Wigantium emperor, and you didn't have me executed on the spot. You should do some Catherine Crick and yeah, we'll probably do that this week. This crazy apostle woman. Also look up the newest iteration of the tongues movement. Okay. Will you Debate Clift, connect knucklehead. Yes, I will, Caleb. Backstage debates are selling point for debate con events. Okay. JB Pel day. $5. Philosopher could call the idea and sued and cite as a technical term Mr. Fist. Who Daddy Is Chat Nick, $10. Women on the Stream equals Kango Pimp hat. I like this one. I'm gonna start wearing this hat a lot. I might just wear this to every debate. Except for my KGB colonel outfit. I'm gonna wear it at Orlando. Leech. $5. Do you have any documentaries or videos about a person? New Icon documentary. Byzantine documentary. New new Nutty's vault. 50 bucks. Dinesh had an indefensible position, but even then, there could have been better arguments made about World War II joining the war, et cetera. Lyn lease act pointing out Andrew would have to say that Americans are evil for supporting a heterodox Christianity. That's true. There are other routes that if Dinesh had been a little swifter, he could have taken that debate. But also, you know, in debate and when you're in the midst of it, especially in a large crowd because there's about 500 people there, it's. It's not easy to think silently and clearly about some specific thing because you get like, there's a million different distractions, and it's in the heat of the moment. So it's not easy. You know, if you're an observer, it's very Easy to like watch and listen and think and Ah, yes, this would have been a much better. But in the heat of the moment it's very difficult because you have to think lightning quick. All right, let's look at the YouTube super chats. I am paraphrasing a bit because I'm also getting tired and I'm kind of in a hurry because super hungry and we've been. We've been going for six hours, dog. What's up? Berserk. Shout out to the new members. Christopher Scott says great to meet you at the bacon. Thank you, man. Good to meet you. Making sure Thomas of Utah, you can't touch Mormon Jesus. He's better. Oh, that's from the video. 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Pleas $50. Pleasure to meet you guys. Well done. Great debate. This was a good way to kick off the weekend in the FIL. $10. Lack of preparation actually made for a very entertaining debate. You defended orthodoxy. Well. Soul Scriptura. Islam is absurd. We might have done that.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

I don't remember.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

But if I didn't, I did it again. Octavian. AI will be debating AI on stage eventually. Yeah, probably. Orthoclips. Shout out to that $2. Jack Slim, 10 bucks. Thank you, Thomas of Utah. $5. Genuine question. Why is it okay to point to Byzantium but also don't use it as a civilizational success to prove religion? Well, why would a civilizational success prove the religion? It's a non sequitur it proves civilizational success. And that was the argument. So it relates to the religion. But how does that prove the religion? True or false? I mean, this is the whole point of Augustine City of God. Right? Because the Romans are saying that Christianity is false because Rome fell when it adopted Christianity. Or at least Latin Western Rome. So go read City of God, because that's the whole point of that. Chief Dylan, it's pronounced Islay ra. Okay, whatever.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

I don't care.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Yamaha Banshee, $5. Did you cover? Yes, we covered Dinesh on Izot. But that's not actually addressing Hume's objection. It's just an attempt at reasserting Aristotelian philosophy. But Hume would also deny that there's purpose in objects or in the world. Purpose or telos is an interpretation. So his line of argument would go. Sexy dead. $10. Thank you for your work, Jay. I was baptized Saturday at Elder Antipas and Hierom. Monk Theodosius buy them at Mount Athos. That's awesome. Holy Relic, Saint spirit on were there present for the baptism. That's awesome. Many years to you dog. Mad ortho left $5. Cholo cheater actually apostatized. He left orthodoxy for papacy. Yeah, I heard he claimed that, but who knows what's true? I don't trust any of these people. Light skinned. $10. I was sitting behind Cholo cheater at the Jake debate. He was obnoxious. Jay was very nice, but people want to spin this story when they weren't there. Yeah, dude's a liar. The cholo cheater guy. I wouldn't. Don't. I mean Sky's. If he's trying to cheat in the debate, why would you believe anything he. Blink? 4444 $20. This is an orange super chat. Towards the goal with Xanthium will come Emperor J. O'. Doyer Steelborn. $10.

[Andrew Wilson]

Shout out to us.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

Got to meet Steelborn. Cool dude. We hung out with him throughout the debate. If we write a book claiming the nine gods of Skyrim are real and then in my book I claim that the book is true, then it has to be true and right. Yeah, if you use the a declarative voice. Don't forget that part. And also cool pros or whatever. Sincere hypocrite. Notice how the worldview of Muslims is atheistic stories and legends and then completely ignoring the spiritual reality. Yeah, pretty much. Scheme schmex. Six bucks. Take these shekels. I'll go to liturgy. You are the reason I'm orthodox. Cool dude. Thank you for Helping me? Yeah. Your word. You got it, bro. Nice work, Big J. $5 from Legacy. Sincere hypocrite. $5. Islam has as much continuation with the Torah as Star Wars Disney does with the originals. That's a good analogy. RPN, $5. Serbian Orthodo's one today. UFC Tingu, 50 bucks. Thanks Big for that big fat super chat.

[Jake Rattlesnake]

Jay.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

You look like Raul Duke from Fear and Loathing. Okay, so as long as I don't look like Hunter S. Thompson. Appreciate that. Big fat super chat. God first. Guilt. Is God's essence or energies more important? I mean, they're both gods, so. I mean, I don't think there's more.

[Andrew Wilson]

Lesser.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

There's no levels of importance in God. Is God fully present in them? Yes. Is God love and unknowable essence?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Kyla Not So Erudite]

He's both. Noose. Nexus says I won't be promoting cholo cheaters anymore. Much appreciated. Thank you for being cool. Yeah, it's all good. Just. Gerald, $10. A girl came to a debate con and she said she wanted specifically to see you debate. If she had not come, I wouldn't have met her and then we would not have become Boyfriend girlfriend. Exactly. Jay, you're actually the ultimate wingman. That's good. That's cool. That's a good providential story. Refurbished poop, $5. You can tell that Kyla is mad because she sounds like she has a double shot of mustard stuck in her throat. J.B. peltier, $5. Who would you rather be trapped in an elevator with a gorilla, a skunk, or Kyla? I wouldn't be able to delineate any of the three, so I wouldn't know which one is Which. Oh, Steelborn, $10. Jay, why did Kala sound like at the opening she was reading to a class of kindergarteners? I think she's. That's her peer group, so she's used to reading through a peer group. Viceroy 2020 J. I gotta admit, a lot of streamers are fake. They're exposed in the irl. However, you were the real deal. Yes. When you meet me, IRL I is the same Bipod queen. You don't get no separate Persona. You get the same bipoc queen. You've been a great voice out here, but stay safe. Guard your heart. I don't. I don't want the cholos breaking my heart. JB, $5. The average woman. Oh, we did that. Sam, 153 says 10 bucks. Thanks, dude. When will you debate Cliff Knucklehead? Whenever they ask. I'm open to it. Let's do it. Bring it. Bring him to debate con. Bring him to World War debate. Bring him to five on five. That. What's this? What's that? Brandon Straka's five. Five on fives. I'll be doing some of those in the future, too. Caleb, backstage debates. No, we did that one. Dirk Diggler, five bucks. Jay, you are a bright and shining star. Thank you. B. Bison. Melvin. Five dollars. Here's five bucks for embarrassing Aderall Barbie. All right, I believe we hit all the super chats. Let me check over here. Yep. All right, guys. Thank you so much. A lot of fun. Look for normal content, normal streams this week. I'll probably do a stream tomorrow, and we'll get back to.