Pt 3 Trump Attempt! GodLogic/Hijab, Andrew/Triggernometry, Kiriakou, Redeemed Z, Jake/Women OPEN CALL

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Episode: Pt 3 Trump Attempt! GodLogic/Hijab, Andrew/Triggernometry, Kiriakou, Redeemed Z, Jake/Women OPEN CALL
Host: Jay Dyer
Date: April 30, 2026

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Overview of the Episode

This episode is a fast-paced, wide-ranging open call-in show, featuring Jay Dyer fielding questions on theology, church history, contemporary Protestant-Orthodox debates, modern cultural phenomena, and live reactions to current news, notably an apparent attempt on Donald Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner. The show spotlights Jay’s comedic, irreverent tone alongside deep dives into doctrinal distinctions, with guests and callers contributing questions, commentary, and personal stories around faith, church controversies, and online religious discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Philosophical Foundations: Thomism, Metaphysics, and Modernity

• Thomism’s Place Today: Jay critiques classical foundationalist systems like Thomism, explaining their foundational axiom: "there's nothing in the intellect that's not first in the senses," but questioning the adequacy of reasserting old philosophical systems in answering modern skepticism.
• Notable Quote:

  “We need a better response than to just reassert Thomism as a dogmatic system or a dogmatic philosophy.” (00:46)

• Modern Challenges: Jay highlights the limitations of standard apologetic responses to philosophical skepticism, emphasizing the need for a more robust, internally consistent approach.

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2. Roman Catholic Magisterium Explained

• Three Types of Teaching:
  • Extraordinary Magisterium: Infallible, binding—e.g., ecumenical councils, ex cathedra statements.
  • Universal Ordinary Magisterium: Infallible, broad, less clearly defined—e.g., teachings always held by the Church on faith/morals.
  • Ordinary Teaching: Non-infallible; e.g., bishops’ homilies, pope’s off-the-cuff opinions.
• Controversy Over Authority:
  • Jay critiques the ambiguity and practical problems in identifying what qualifies as universal ordinary magisterium.
  • Laity is expected to show “docility” (submission) even to non-infallible teachings.

  "The first two are under the classification of binding, infallible. The third is called ordinary teaching...you're typically supposed to defer...even though the ordinary teaching could be wrong." (00:46–06:00)

• Critique Of Selective Obedience: Jay mocks Catholics who claim to “pick and choose” what to accept, noting canon law requires submission even to teachings not declared infallible.

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3. Orthodoxy: Liturgy, Eucharist, and Spiritual Realism

• 'Cannibalism' & The Eucharist:
  • Jay explains the Orthodox understanding: Receiving Christ’s “deified flesh” is a mystery and a spiritual partaking—not cannibalism, since Jesus is alive, not dead.

    "Cannibalism is eating a dead man and Jesus is not dead." (07:30)

• Debate With Callers:
  • Caller challenges with dictionary definitions, Jay defends Orthodox language:

    “We’re eating deified flesh of the God-man, not mere human flesh.” (59:41)

• The Noetic Sacrifice: Jay distinguishes direct 'noetic' (spiritual) experience of God in Orthodoxy from physicalist or abstract interpretations of the Eucharist.

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4. Cultural Critiques & Evangelical Spectacle

• Paula White & Trump’s Spiritual Advisors:
  • Jay ridicules American prosperity preachers, with a special focus on Trump's spiritual advisor, Paula White.

    "She seems drunk as hell or on pills. This woman is like, on pills...preaching about queen bees that do the dance for her dance." (13:14) "This is Trump's spiritual advisor, dude..." (16:17)

• Performance And Entertainment In Religion:
  • Rachel Wilson (caller) notes the showmanship roots of modern revivalist preachers:

    “Many of the great open-air revival preachers of that area were actually want-to-be actors...so people would kind of transition and be like ah, if I want to be a performer, but it’s kind of a dgen profession so I’ll just go be a preacher and you know, perform on a stage.” (90:00 approx.)

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5. Critique of “Tone Policing” and Feminization in Christianity

• "Longhouse" Feminization:
  • Callers discuss criticism of male Orthodox/Protestant figures for harsh “tone” instead of substance; Jay and Rachel advocate continuing to mock hypocrisy instead of capitulating.

    “So I think they’ll just keep making fun of these people because they’re on the run. So, that’s my strategy.” (22:05) Rachel: “Once you’re willing to...deal with the people who are putting this nonsense out there, and you can show me how to do it better in a nicer tone and be as effective as me, then I’ll listen.” (23:12)

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6. Educational Gaps in Western History Curriculum

• Suppression of Eastern Roman/Byzantine History:
  • Caller observes omission of Byzantine Empire from school history; Jay connects this to ideological biases in academia.

    "They do intentionally leave out vast swaths of history...the whole education system is a giant fraud." (39:21)

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7. Ecumenism and Eastern Spiritual Influence on the West

• Swami Vivekananda, Yoga, and Rockefeller:
  • Jay plays a segment on the introduction of Vedanta (Hindu monism) to the US, noting elite support (Rockefeller) for “all religions are the same” ideologies as a tool of social control.

    "Granddaddy Rockefeller...wanted to fund this guy and promote this guy in the West. So...this message of all the religions being the same could actually be a great tool for us to promote." (42:19)

  • Critique of “spiritual not religious” modernity as a watered-down, ultimately anti-Christian amalgam.

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8. Current Events: Apparent Trump White House Incident

• Live Reaction to Breaking News:
  • Jay reacts in real time to reports of an evacuation and “shots fired” at the White House Correspondents Dinner where Trump is present.

    “It’s interesting providentially that we’re talking about self defense, right? ...I mean imagine being like a president, a king, a world leader and then having people say that, you know, we need to be pacifist.” (54:02)

• Critique of Pacifism Amid Security:
  • Jay points out irony of religious or political leaders advocating pacifism while surrounded by armed security.

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9. Protestant/Orthodox Apologetics and Internet "Numbers War"

• Metrics As Influence:
  • Jay reveals competitive side, displaying stats showing Orthodox apologists (him and associates) surpassing mainstream Protestant apologists (Frank Turek, Mike Winger, William Lane Craig) in online searches and YouTube metrics.

    “We are blowing [them] away on YouTube so who are—I don’t even know who the Protestant—who’s even a big Protestant apolog[ist]?” (74:13)

• Debate Invitations:
  • Jay remarks on Protestant figures’ unwillingness to formally debate, expressing frustration at online ‘tone policing’ and dismissiveness.

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10. Community, Callers, and Closing

• Callers Share Stories & Support:
  • Personal stories: harassment for converting to Orthodoxy, bizarre local incidents, and thanks to Jay for his influence.

    “You help me depart from Protestantism, embrace orthodoxy. I hope to meet you one day.” (28:47)

• Q&A Lightning Round:
  • Addressing questions about Gnostic practices, church bureaucracy, odd religious news, musical preferences, and theological hypotheticals.
• Superchat and Members’ Appreciation:
  • Numerous shout-outs to donors and new members, closing on a note of faith, humor, and future debates.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Jay on Catholic Authority:

  “You don't get in their canon law or...in their moral theologies the freedom to accept and reject what you list. And this is the number one mistake and error and even lie that 95% of the...Roman Catholic apologists promote...” (06:00)

• On Performance-Oriented Christian Leaders:

  “Look, she’s got the same type of dress as Amy Simple McFerson, too. She’s trying. She’s Amy Simple McFerson. Maxing.” (15:24)

• Caller on Feminization in Church:

  “To put it simplest, it’s the feminization of every aspect of society...” (21:33)

• Jay on Historical Omission:

  “The whole education system is a giant fraud.” (39:21)

• Jay on Rockefeller & Ecumenism:

  “This message of all the religions being the same could actually be a great tool for us to promote.” (42:19)

• Jay on Orthodox Eucharist:

  “No, we’re eating deified the flesh of the God, man, not mere human flesh. That would be cannibalism.” (59:41)

• Jay on Religious Pacifism vs Leader Security:

  “Let me get this...every one of these Secret Service people would immediately pull a gun out on anybody...But the death penalty is bad, dude. Your Secret Service would execute the death penalty on anyone around you. This is so freaking gay, dude.” (54:02)

• Jay on Numbers and Influence:

  “These people all want to flex their channel. I’m doing this because these people flexing their channel in my face...Now, the numbers are there because we actually have literally the same numbers or greater than almost all of these other people that have been on there.” (74:13)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:46 Modern philosophy & Thomism
• 03:00–06:00 Magisterium types & Catholic authority
• 07:30 Eucharist & cannibalism discussion
• 13:14–16:28 Satire of Paula White & evangelical spectacle
• 22:05–23:45 Responding to tone policing, feminization of church
• 39:21 Omission of Byzantine history in schools
• 42:19–47:13 Swami Vivekananda, ecumenism, yoga, Rockefeller
• 54:02 Trump incident, pacifism, and leader security hypocrisy
• 59:41–63:05 Call-in debate on Eucharist and Orthodox doctrine
• 74:13–79:49 Internet apologetics “numbers war” and social media influence

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language & Tone: Direct, sarcastic, humorously irreverent, mixed with dense theological content. Jay frequently uses memes, pop culture references, and comedic impersonations to illustrate points and entertain the audience.
• Audience Engagement: Open forum, fielding live and superchat questions, creating a freewheeling, community-driven atmosphere with a mix of banter and depth.

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Conclusion

This episode showcases Jay Dyer’s skill in balancing substantive Orthodox apologetics, live cultural commentary, and comedic takedowns of contemporary Christianity, with callers and co-panelists fueling an energetic, sometimes wild, but always engaging conversation on faith, doctrine, history, and current events. For listeners seeking a blend of meme-laden humor and real religious depth, this show hits all the marks.

Transcript

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[Jay]

So most modern philosophy is premised on the idea that you, you just can't assume a giant metaphysical system doesn't mean metaphysics aren't true. It means that, well, how do we know that all these metaphysical claims just are the case? And so Tomism is thus a classical foundationalist system overall in terms of its approach to givens. For example, the peripatetic axiom, there's nothing in the intellect that's not first in the senses. And a modern philosopher would say, well, is that truth itself also in the census? Right, so that's what I was talking about. We need a better response than to just reassert Tomism as a dogmatic system or a dogmatic philosophy. That's why, That's why it's hard to convey this to Thomas is because they don't think in that way. They think usually their responses are very low tier. Like if you say, oh, I guess you're a skeptic. Well, if I use an argument from David Heman doesn't make me a skeptic. Right. We're just pointing out the inconsistencies at a systemic level. Another doom dumb membro. Jesse Lee Peterson is the Paris Hilton of black folks. He's memeing Acatard Rachel $10. I'm a former PCA Presbyterian. I live in Memphis. I'm a catechumen at St. John's Orthodox in Midtown. Do you go there? Aren't you from Memphis? No, not from Memphis. I've been to Memphis many times, but Memphis is about as far away as Nashville. So I don't really spend a lot of time in Memphis. And I think I've only visited one Orthodox church ever in Memphis and I think it was the Greek church many, many years ago. I think before I was orthodox. I think it was Roman Catholic and I visited the Orthodox Greek Orthodox Church in Memphis one time, but I've not been to any other ones. I know there's an Antiochian one. I don't know if there is a Road Corps one in Memphis. There could be. Sergius, these Pearl clutchers are fag. Maxing GEDWU $10. Explain the difference between ex cathedra and universal magisterium. Right. So Roman Catholic theology from Vatican ii and in other places, this is not very controversial. I have multiple Catholic dogmatic manuals that will say the same thing. There's basically three types of teaching in the Catholic Church. There's extraordinary magisterium, universal ordinary magisterium, and ordinary teaching. So the first two would be things like ecumenical count. Excuse me, the first one, the extraordinary magisterium, will be things that are infallible, binding, not questionable, and are either ex cathedra or ecumenical councils. Right? So that's that first criteria of extraordinary magisterium. And that means that they're just typically not the norm. Right? An ex cathedral statement is rare, an ecumenical council is rare. So they're extraordinary, but they're magisterium. Universal ordinary magisterium is also infallible. Binding cannot be questioned. And in their definition it is quote anything that the Church has always taught at all times and in all places on faith and morals. So you see that it's very broad, right? Ex cathedral statements, they're not broad. We know that there's a handful of those ecumenical councils, They're a little more specific in terms of counting them. But Roman Catholics are actually inconsistent about how they name them and list them. But regardless, that's the top category, right? Councils and ex cathedra is the first one. Universal ordinary teaching is very broad and, and this is one of the problems in the system and even the Roman Catholic dogmatic manual that I have over there, one of them says this is actually kind of a challenge because we don't know what fits in this broad category of universal ordinary magisterium, because how do you define what the Church has always taught at all times in every place? It's a very broad category. So for example, is the death penalty part of that? Well, it seems like it's pretty much taught at all times in all places, pretty consistently for the most part, until Vatican 2, or at least the Pope's post Vatican II. So you see the ambiguity in that second layer of universal ordinary magisterium. Right. But remember, the first two are under the classification of binding infallible. You can't question them. They're not wrong. The third lower category is called ordinary teaching. And this would be like the Pope's homilies or this would be like your bishop's homilies or your United States Conference of Catholic bishop. Right. Those would be ordinary teachings. When they teach on any matter, you're typically supposed to defer to those. Right. So even though the ordinary teaching could be wrong, your local Roman Catholic bishop in their system could make theological mistakes. He could say something heterodox or whatever, and in their system, even though it's technically wrong, or the Pope could say something theologically wrong, you're supposed to submit with docility to the ordinary normative teaching of the Roman Catholic Church. You don't get in their canon law or in their system or in their moral theologies the freedom to accept and reject what you list. And this is the number one mistake and error and even lie that 95% of the pop Roman Catholic apologists promote the idea that you have a position within Rome that allows you to pick and choose what you want and what you accept, mainly from Rome. Right. We'll set aside the issue of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops or your local Roman Catholic bishop. Because literally no Roman Catholic, no Roman Catholics care with their local bishop says like none of them, they, they, none of them care. It's only about what Rome says. So let's say for the sake of argument, can a Roman Catholic if, if Francis says the gospel is contrary to the death penalty and that's his normative teaching for as far as I can tell, almost all of his papacy. Do you have the right as a Roman Catholic to reject that because you think Francis is wrong? The answer is no. Even if it's not magisterial, even if Francis doesn't say, I pronounce this as ex cathedral dogma for the entire church. You don't have the right to reject it because their canon law says even in non magisterial teachings, you must submit with docility. JM says for the last 20 years, for four years, my sister has been looking at Orthodoxy. She tells me she's having trouble because the service is too adult. It's too serious. Well, I don't even know what to say to that. Like we are adults. Religion is serious. Like what is she? Does she want clown church? I mean, she wants clown church. She can go to the Roman Catholic Church. They have clown masses. Dog fart, $2. Thank you. David. Desi, $33. Jay, can you just tell us why is the real presence not cannibalism? I like your Videos. Thank you. So again, as I said a minute ago, cannibalism is a crass idea that you can consume assume a dead man. We don't believe that that Jesus is dead. Jesus is not dead. He is the resurrected son of God. And so partaking of his deified flesh is in the orthodox liturgy called our rational and noetic sacrifice, or often offering. So it is a spiritual partaking that does include his deified flesh. And we believe that that's a mystery. But no, cannibalism is eating a dead man and Jesus is not dead. Josh colleg $10. What do you say to those who argue that religions all have truth and you don't have to be orthodox to know the truth? Well, all religions and all people have some degree of truth, but that doesn't mean that they have saving truth. So there's a big difference there. And Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth and life. No one comes to the father but through me. 29 System 14 Never stop being honest and direct, which is what these people call mean, shows that you actually care about things and your audience. Please forgive us for dumb mistakes. I forgive you. Fredo. $5 Wasson watch famously crashed out over the meme I will not die for Israel that came out last year. He's a Zionist who sells tacky $800 watches. Oh, that's the thing that James Lindsay was sharing. So yeah, this guy shares, sells tacky $800 watches and is probably some kind of dumb evangelical. Terry, $5. Jay, look up shepherds for sale. It's a wild read. Okay, I'll check that out. That sounds like fake Evangelical pastors. Ever long shanks 20 great stream. I noticed that people been programmed to clutch pearls. If you say something like, for example, discrimination can be good. This is very similar to the Bible saying to judge in certain situations. And you shouldn't oversimplify. Yeah, that's a great point. Like it's. I don't even know where this comes from. I think it's more. Maybe some people imbibe this through pop culture, right? They hear something like, you shouldn't judge people. And that's what Christianity teaches, right? And then they just sort of think that the whole religion is like some sort of pacifist hippie. Don't judge, man. You can't. You could never make a judgment call, dude. And it's like, I don't even. Yeah, I don't know. Like. Like Andrew said in that questioning. I don't know exactly where that. Just pop culture, I guess people just assume that. That's the whole religion is just don't judge. Ben Garrity. What's up? By the way? I saw a clip that looked funny of Paula White walking around like a dog. She was on all fours, like, crawling like a dog. What in the world? Like these clowns, dude. That this woman is Trump's spiritual advisor. And now I've lost that clip of her crawling around like a dog. Let's see if we can find it.

[Caller]

Pastor Turnis says that the apocy is not subject to revision by anyone, nor may anyone lawfully pass judgment. Thereupon,

[Jay]

Yes, past return says you may not judge the first seat. Correct.

[Caller]

Yeah. That mean that means you the laity, you're not allowed to judge the apostolic seat.

[Jay]

Ben, you want to talk? Man, I wish I'd saved that clip of her crawling around like a dog. It was crazy.

[Commentator]

Advance is this. It's doing it. The amount of food.

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[Jay]

yeah, this is. These are the people who are calling for war. These people in James Lindsay are the retards that dupe all these dummies.

[Commentator]

The leader of the bee family is always a female. Known as a queen bee. She's the only female that is fertile. Deborah, you're a queen bee. Come on. But here's what's so important. Known for her dance. She is known for her dance. And it's not like some cute little, you know, this kind of dance. It's not that this kind.

[Jay]

She seems drunk as hell or on pills. This woman is like, on pills. Or drunk up here preaching about queen bees that do the dance for her dance.

[Commentator]

She is.

[Jay]

No, she over here talking about Beyonce. This girl's talking about Beyonce up here dancing.

[Commentator]

She is for her dance. And it's not like some cute little, you know, this kind of dance. It's not that. This kind of dance. She's known for her dance because when she gets ready to notify in the hive of a new source of food, she will perform a dance by vibrating her wings. Her wings start going into this, like, almost uncontrollable vibration and the moving of her body around. And the dance starts to communicate how far and in what direction the food is ones. She's the queen bee.

[Jay]

This drunk as hell, dude.

[Commentator]

And it's uphill against the wind. It will require more energy. So what she starts doing at the amount of food there is, great dance. The dance will last longer, and it'll be more enthusiastic. So what she starts doing, the longer the dance, the more.

[Jay]

Dude, these people are absolutely batshit crazy, dude. Where is the clip of her crawling like a dog? That was. That was cracking me up, dude.

[Commentator]

When I walk on white house grounds, God walks on white house grounds. I had every right and authority to declare the white house as holy ground because I was standing there, and where I stand is holy.

[Jay]

Wow. Dang, dude. These is just blaspheme Maxing. She over here. Blasphemy maxing. Did anybody know? Has anybody seen that clip of her crawling like a dog? That one? I want to see that. That looks crazy. Crawl. Let's see Paula White doing that dog crawl. Do the Paula White crawl. Oh, maybe this is it. I think this is it. Oh, here it is. Here it is. Watch this.

[Commentator]

Don't you let these nails fool you, baby. If I got to get down and crawl. And when you get ready to move in the fullness of God's anointing, you've got to conquer positionally, anything.

[Jay]

Look, she's got the same type of dress as Amy Simple McFerson, too. She's trying. She's Amy Simple McFerson. Maxing.

[Commentator]

That would be over you if you don't pull down the stronghold. It doesn't have to be everything, but the devil can have one area of your life, and if you don't get victory in that one area, he will hold you back.

[Jay]

Because she's talking and doing the whole rhythm of a black preacher. So we got a white woman doing the whole breathy, the whole black church rhythm. And people are loving it, dude.

[Commentator]

Positionally, you have to conquer. That's what a stronghold is. The devil has a strong hold on you. And you can prophesy and you can have money and you can be good looking.

[Jay]

Whoa.

[Commentator]

And you can have favor. But if you've got one area that the devil's got you, you won't be able to move into the fullness of the anointing. And until you get this is Trump's

[Jay]

spiritual advisor, dude, you won't be able

[Commentator]

to have that anointing released because you'll be too sensitive to go in the gutter to get of God. But God said he's raising.

[Jay]

That's why I said she got a Reba haircut. She does. She's full Reba, dude. She went. She went full McIntyre. What's up? Who's next? This dude's been waiting. Costia, Costia. What's up, dog? Unmute, man. Costa on you.

[Caller]

Hey, can you hear me?

[Jay]

Yo,

[Caller]

is FDA still on?

[Jay]

I think he dropped off, sorry. Okay, well, maybe you could answer. Oh, my gosh, Please don't ask me a tag question, dude. Like Pontian Numina. Oh, no, please. Not doing that, dude. Good God, man. That's. What's the topics listed, dude, Come on. That's probably one of them annoying ass atheists that calls in about Lori. What's up, Lori? Your girl Lori over here. Lori, we got to have a wine mom at the end of the night. What's a wine mom to cap it off? Lori? I'm mute. Lori, I'm muted.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Can you hear me now, Jerry?

[Jay]

Yes, ma'.

[Caller]

Am.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Oh, awesome. Awesome.

[Jay]

Yeah.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

I want to ask you a question. I just started orthodox and I've been around some people for a while within Protestant movement, and they kind of bully me around about being Orthodox.

[Jay]

Yeah, they'll do that. They'll do that.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Will they do that?

[Jay]

Yes, they will. They will do that.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Okay, well, I've been considerate and everything of that. I've tried to, you know, just kind of get along and, you know, we're to rubber and all that. They said, well, I was being too judgmental. And then they start to provoke me. But I was listening to Rachel Wilson the other night or something, I can't remember. I was wondering if one her book would help me on dealing with women that do that because they consistently do it, and then they. I don't give them a lot of attention, but then they say I'm too mean.

[Jay]

Is this people in your life or online?

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Well, it's people that I live around.

[Jay]

Oh, Rachel, are you there?

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

[Jay]

Yeah, I'M here.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

These people I do around and I have been finding. I found something really terrible in my trash. It was a dead cat with a note on it.

[Jay]

What?

[Orthodox Newcomer]

Yeah.

[Jay]

They put a dead cat with a note on it in your trash?

[Orthodox Newcomer]

I believe they did, Jay.

[Public Service Announcer]

What did the note say?

[Inquisitive Listener]

Well,

[Orthodox Newcomer]

it didn't have a clear language on it.

[Jay]

Well, it was just.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

It had something said on it and then it even.

[Jay]

I don't know.

[Orthodox Newcomer]

It was weird, you guys.

[Jay]

Yeah, well, I'm sorry to hear that. But, yeah, I think you could probably find some value for sure in Rachel's book in regard to how to deal with the mindset of the leftist feminist. Right?

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Yeah, I would say so.

[Jay]

Yeah. Now I. I've got energy. I'd like to keep going if you guys want to keep going. I may have to go to the little girls room here. H Brzy, what's up?

[Caller]

Hey, can you hear me?

[Jay]

J. I can hear you. What's up?

[Caller]

Hey, man, that won't know why. She was on some damn inning. She was gone, man.

[Jay]

What the hell?

[Caller]

I did have a question for you quick. And, yeah, I mean, I've heard Rachel, you know, answer this question a million times with all the times he's had to deal with, like, all the praho ladies on Twitter, but I don't think I've ever heard your answer for this. What's your position on. And this is mostly a Protestant on

[Jay]

being a proud ho.

[Caller]

Definitely seen a lot of.

[Jay]

I'm still a prod. A pro. That's my position. I am. Yeah.

[Caller]

I'm Oro Ho.

[Jay]

How about that? All right.

[Caller]

We both thoughting it up? Oh, yeah. All right. So what's your position with the, like, the long housing? Whether, like, I guess it could. There could be some. I've definitely seen it from some. Some Orthodox women online, but it's mostly. It's mostly just Protestant and Catholics. What's your position on the Long House and up them with the. With how we men specifically engage with. With, like, you know, feminists or, you know, just women that are detractors from whether it be orthodoxy or whatever else.

[Jay]

Feminism. What is Longhouse? I don't even know what that means. What does that mean?

[Caller]

It's basically the like to. To put it simplest, it's the feminine, the feminization of. Of every aspect of society and with it. And just for this specifically, like, like, speech, like how. How you. How you see, like all the women, like I said, mostly Protestants, sewing circle Christians, as Andrew calls them, how they constantly, constantly criticize how he talks has never has anything to do with the substance of his arguments. It's just how he talks. Like, you can't say this. You shouldn't say this to women, blah, blah, blah. They never criticize, you know, what's, what's levied back at him.

[Jay]

But I mean, I mean, I, I'm just keep making fun of it. So, like, I keep challenging and trolling these people. Like, I got Gavin Orland to block me today, trolling him. I got West Huff to block me, just asking him to debate and trolling him. So, I mean, I think they'll just keep making fun of these people because they're on the run. So that's my strategy. Rachel, what's your strategy for the tone policers and these people?

[Public Service Announcer]

Basically the same thing from my perspective. I just always ask them. I had one last night. Andrew was debating one of my haters who's supposed to be like a right winger, and her criticism was, I don't Jamesburg enough, you know, and, and I, I'll say certain things, but then I won't go far enough. But she couldn't tell me what it was that I need to say that would go far enough. Totally ridiculous. But I usually just say, what exactly is it that you're doing to help? Because these people that do the tone policing, the Christian tone policing, are they speaking up against female bishops saying the New Testament is problematic, like that black lady that went viral earlier in the week?

[Caller]

No, exactly.

[Public Service Announcer]

They're not going to say anything to her. They're not going to say anything to the gay preachers who are saying, actually Jesus loves homosexuals and thinks they're better. They're not going to say anything to them. They're not going to say anything to all of the majority of Christians who still support abortion rights. So I, I always just say, look, once you're willing to tackle those issues and deal with the people who are putting this nonsense out there, and you can show me how to do it better in a nicer tone and be as effective as me, then I'll listen to you guys. Don't do that.

[Jay]

Yeah, I think doing anything. Yeah, that's a great retort, because I think in the case of, like, Trent Horn, and I know Tim Gordon was kind of messaging him in the background, I think that criticism kind of hit home. It's like you'll go and debate destiny on stage and you'll go on whatever podcast and you'll debate some, you know, feminist, you know, only fans woman. But those people are not too toxic. But the Ortho bros are because they use a four letter word. Like people are figuring out that like the hypocrisy doesn't make any sense and it's just convenient excuses. So. Absolutely. I think just kind of highlighting that and making fun of them is a killer approach. Casper, what's up man? Casper, you want to mute. Hey, what's going on? What's on your mind? Yeah, so I mean, don't Protestants just kind of fall into the Muslim dilemma with their rejection of the tradition and

[Caller]

they, they get their book from that.

[Jay]

So it's. It's basically like they reject the prior revelation. Yeah, it is kind of a similar version of. Yeah, I think that's actually pretty perceptive. It's like a protestant version of it. Absolutely. And that got me thinking a little deeper on something else is like if.

[Caller]

If there's one God and you're not

[Jay]

worshiping or following him in the objective nature that he intends, aren't you just functionally an atheist? I think you could make a comparison there. I mean, I think the way I would frame that and I usually say is it's like worshiping an idea rather than God himself. So it's like if you're gonna. It's like what Nateb and Abihu did, right? Like they worship God the way they wanted to. They kind of made up a new way to do it and it wasn't accepted. And so what you're, what you end up doing is worshiping the deity that you've invented in your head. So I think that's along the same lines. President Lloyd. What's up, man? Yes, sir.

[Caller]

Thank, thank you for allowing me to speak.

[Jay]

I just want to thank you, Jay

[Caller]

and Rachel and Andrew for your truth. Truth is a rare thing in the modern society and, and you all handle it with respect and, and carry it with a certain virtue that's hard to be found. And so I just wanted to say thank you.

[Jay]

What? Thank you, man. Appreciate that. And I'm sure Rachel and Andrew appreciate it as well if they want to. Feel free to speak if you want to. Anthony. What's up. Guys? Remember, you can get signed copies of Ester Hollywood 1, 2 and 3 in the shop right there. If you go to jay analysis.com in the shop and all the copies from my website of course are signed. You can also get Jamie's two books there. She's got Hollywood Mind Control and her book on culture creation. There's also my red book. I am low on red books, so I'm gonna have to order more Stock there. You can get my lectures on tragic hove. You can get the meta narratives text as well. All of those are available in the shop at Jason Alice's. And we also have a show sponsor which is chalk.com, the best in supplementation on the Internet. Chom head on over there and get access to that mail Vitality stack. These are not PP pills. They're workout adjacent pills. Anthony, what's on your mind? I mean.

[Caller]

Hey, Jay, can you hear me okay?

[Jay]

Huh?

[Caller]

Hello?

Is it coming through okay?

[Jay]

Yeah, man, what's up? Yeah, go ahead.

[Caller]

Oh, cool, cool.

I just want to make a comment. Earlier, I thought it was rich when JLP said that orthodox churches are dark. Have you ever seen his Sunday streams?

[Jay]

No, but I was in his studio church, so I've seen in his building.

[Caller]

Well, if you.

I'm not.

I'm obviously not like, trying to shout it out, but if you watch his Sunday stream, just. Just look at the screenshot of it, his background. I don't know if he has a green screen set on like pitch black or something like that.

[Jay]

Is it dark?

[Caller]

Dark behind him?

[Jay]

That's funny.

[Caller]

Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's actually insane. I didn't know if he was projecting or not. The other thing I want to mention was that JND doc that you're mentioning earlier. I think that video was taken down. It was on their old channel, but.

[Jay]

Oh, the one about. The one about his background.

[Caller]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, exactly. His dad literally owns a degree mill. It's called a Cambridge training College, Burton. And if you look it up, like, it's all. It's like two. It's like one star on Yelp. Two stars on Yelp. Just a total joke. And so I thought it was interesting. You said, you know, you've been saying he's a total fraud, but.

[Jay]

Yeah, I think he's a grifter. That's my crazy. Yeah, that's my opinion. I mean, he does like to try to sue people too. So I wonder if that's. I wonder if he got it taken down or something. Jank says. Jay, do you think that Special Operations are tied to the CFR and Trilateral Commission? I think that's at the high level. I mean, it's. I don't think the CFR directly tells Special Operations what they do. That would be run out of the military. But the CFR and the Trilateral Commission will tell the bureaucrats and the people underneath them, which. That will filter down to the. The military. For example, many CFR trilateral people have been Heads of the C. CIA. So in that way, yeah. And they probably have quite a bit of influence on, you know, generals and what the military generals decide. Mark, $20. Jay, you help me depart from Protestantism, embrace orthodoxy. I hope to meet you one day. Well, thank you, Mark. Or Marco. Excuse me. Appreciate that. Many years to you, dog. Et $5. Jay, what do you know about the hold them on Mennonites? Not much. They're a small group of Mennonites who claim that they are the one true church. Okay, well, I mean, I. I'm going to say that's dumb. And they are the only church that teach the whole Bible. Every cult believes that they're the church that preserve the. The Bible. Cole. What's on your mind?

[Caller]

A.J.

i just.

I was wondering when the talk with

Gerald was going to come out.

[Jay]

I don't know. You know, a lot of large channels, they tend to post material many weeks later because they have kind of a content schedule. So I don't know. I think the last time it took. It took Gerald probably four, maybe even five weeks before it went through their process. Same with Kiraku. Same with. It took Jesse Lee Peterson a good while too. So I think Kiriaku comes out in the next few days. I don't know when DJ is going to post the Chase guys or Mason debate, but probably in the next few days. But I will have John Kuryaku on my channel next week, so he'll be on Wednesday, I think next week. And then I got some other big channels I'll be going on next week. You guys, I think will enjoy those. But I have no idea what people's content schedules are. I always get asked. I'm not mad at you for asking me, but people don't typically tell you when they're putting this stuff out. For example, I did lengthy interview with. It wasn't that long, actually, maybe an hour with Daniel Estelin. We did another big geopolitical chat and his channel has kind of popped off. And I just messaged him today because I actually forgot we even did it. And he said it will be going up soon.

[Caller]

So who's asking about the CFR and special operations?

[Jay]

Go ahead.

[Caller]

So here's something that came to mind was that the Economist magazine ran a cover article on the fall of Hosni Mubarak before he even was deposed.

[Jay]

Really?

[Caller]

Yeah. This is back in the day when that happened with the Egypt Color revolution.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Caller]

That's how that happens. You see?

[Jay]

So though. Yeah, I mean, the cfr, the Foreign affairs and all those magazines like they have a tendency to kind of put into the literature what the, the overall plan, and sometimes the specifics are right.

[Caller]

Exactly.

[Jay]

So you're saying Mubarak was it, was, was it Foreign Affairs?

[Caller]

No, it was the Economist.

[Jay]

Oh, excuse me, the Economist, that's the Rothschilds magazine.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's the Chatham House. Yeah, yeah. Chatham House is the foreign. Basically the foreign affairs of England.

[Jay]

Oh, interesting. Do you think it was called the Autumn of the Patriarchs? Because this is.

[Caller]

Yeah, that's the article.

[Jay]

Oh, yeah. This is calling for a regime change.

[Caller]

Yep.

[Jay]

It's behind a paywall. But I think this is the article that John's talking about. So you can see here, this came out. Let's see when this one came out. 20. It says 20.

[Caller]

Like a picture, like, it's like a picture of like a statue of him being like pulled down.

[Jay]

I don't see the statue, but I'm looking to see here. So this is just pull. This might be pulling up the post fall articles, but I would, I would like to see. I'm not doubting you, John. I'd just like to see it

[Caller]

tell you this just because, like, you'll, you'll know what I'm talking about. I don't know how many people in the audience would, but that very thing. I actually sent it to Alan Watt back in the day and then he, he read it on the air.

[Jay]

Well, hold on. This article is February 2011, and it says Mubarak fell or he resigned. That's right around the time he resigned.

[Caller]

Yeah, but he didn't really resign though.

[Jay]

Okay.

[Caller]

It was basically he was forced out and.

Right.

They had the color revolution.

[Jay]

Yeah,

[Caller]

but all of the magazines will announce ahead of time and they're all the academic magazines. It's not something like just alluding to what the previous caller said. That's how it kind of goes down through the pike. Yeah,

[Jay]

absolutely. Oh, I know. I could try this. Let's search at 2010. Let's see if there was anything. Oh, wow. Okay, here's. Here's a bunch of economist articles in 2010 calling for his. That he would have a downfall. Here's one, here's one called After Mubarak. And this is the year before the regime change. You hear me? Oh, this is it, John. Here's a giant statue of him in the desert. Is that it? Are you there, John?

[Caller]

Yeah, it's like a statue of him being pulled down.

[Jay]

Well, there's a statue of him in the desert. And this is before the February regime change in 2011. This is a year before, almost. And it says that the regime change is coming soon.

[Caller]

Yep. Yeah, it was. It was something like where I had gotten a stack of Economist magazines from a library, and they were old ones. And then after the fact, I was, like, reading through them, and then I saw the one. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this magazine came out before the regime. The regime change.

[Jay]

That's crazy. Yeah. It actually looks like in 2010, there were several Economist articles calling that out and predicting. Here's one in 2010 from the Economist saying that in May 2010, there was a prediction that Mubarak would fall in a year. And he did. Bruce Bueno, an academic at NYU, made impressively accurate political forecasts in 2010. He said that Mubarak would fall. Nine minutes later, he did. The. Okay, here we go. The AI overview says the economist correctly anticipated Mubarak's fall in 2010. They published several special refor reports, including the COVID image of 2010 after Mubarak showing a sphinx like image of him in the sand collapsing. Yep, there we go. So there's your CFR Trilateral Chatham House mouthpiece saying that there would be a regime change one year beforehand, even publicly saying it. Lasha, what's up, Lash? You want to unmute?

[Caller]

Hey, can you hear me? A.J. i have a question about you. How are you? Are you just staying on, like, a specific topic today or how open is the conversation today?

[Jay]

The topics are typically Protestantism. Nobody called about aliens, feminism, theology, related stuff, but also geopolitical stuff. So what's your question?

[Caller]

Okay, yeah, no, that works for what I want to ask. So I don't know what your experience was in grade school, but I. Looking back on grade school and specifically history classes, I feel like everyone talks about how obviously there's like, the curriculum for history is obviously not perfect, but, like, one specific thing that seems weird to me. Just like, obviously the Byzantine Empire or the Eastern Roman Empire is obviously like a. One of the most major empires, like, culturally, theologically, historically. And yet I feel like I didn't learn about it, like, at all. Like, I feel like I learned about it on my own, like, a year ago or so. And it kind of makes sense, like, why they wouldn't teach that for multiple reasons. You can go different angles, like, who made the textbooks? You can go that route. Or also, like, when you talk about Protestantism, I guess I feel like it. It serves like Protestant churches to not teach something that would basically go hand in hand with church history. Right. Because obviously the Eastern Roman Empire is a huge Part of that. So I don't know, what are your thoughts on that?

[Jay]

And like, yeah, I think that they do, they do intentionally leave out vast swaths of history. I think that is probably intentional in many cases at a high level with, you know, the university boards that decide what the curriculum is. That's all kind of coming out of centralized planning and board members and, you know, donors usually who are wealthy leftists. So they will, you know, kind of steer the curriculum in that direction. ROBERT Maxwell History LESSONS yeah, exactly as somebody says. So, yeah, I think that's intentional. It's hard to say in every specific case how intentional it is because most people aren't, you know, high level engineering control freak people like Kissinger or Brzezinski. Most people are leftoids that are brainwashed, that are thinking they're serving humanity by being, you know, pushing the leftist agenda in education. So they're just brainwashed. But it definitely occurs. I mean, the whole education system is a giant fraud. Guys, I do have to go to the little girls room. I'll go TT and I'm gonna play a little bit of this video that came out that gets into the history of the importation of Hindu ideas into the west through the character of Swami Vivekananda. And he's important because he attended the World Parliament of Religions, which is really the birth of modern ecumenism. And he wowed everybody there as if he was some sort of deep mystic. And this video kind of gets into this pretty well. I'll be right back.

[Narrator]

Unknown Hindu monk arrived at the Parliament of Religions in Chicago. He was Swami Vivekananda. He made a stunning impression on the those who heard him, both by his appearance beturbaned and robed in orange and crimson, and by what he said. He was immediately lionized by high society in Boston and New York. Philosophers at Harvard were mightily impressed.

[Jay]

I say.

[Narrator]

And it wasn't long until he had gathered a hard core of disciples who supported him and his grandiose dream. The the evangelizing of the Western world by Hinduism and more particularly by Vedantic or monistic Hinduism. Vedanta societies were established in the large cities of the United States and Europe.

[Jay]

Hey there, friends. Today we are infecting humanity.

[Narrator]

But these centers were only a part of his work. More important was introducing Vedantic ideas into the bloodstream of academic thinking. Dissemination was the goal. It mattered little to Vivekananda whether credit was given to Hinduism or not, so long as the message of Vedanta reached everyone. On many occasions, he said, knock on every door. Tell everyone he is divine. Vedanta. The philosophical backbone of what Vivekananda was selling.

[Jay]

Now I want to remind you guys too that this video doesn't mention it, but one of the figures that was at that parliament of religions was Granddaddy Rockefeller, who was very impressed with Swami Vivekananda such that he wanted to fund this guy and promote this guy in the West. So it was actually the Granddaddy Rockefeller, the original Standard Oil Rockefeller guy, who. Who was really just enamored with Swami Vivekananda and thought, hey, this message of all the religions being the same could actually be a great tool for us to promote. And this is where you actually get.

[Narrator]

The birth of ecumenism rests on one central claim. That the individual self is not distinct from the divine. It is the divine. You are God. Everyone is God. Everything is God, brother, you are Gods.

[Comedian]

Did you not know that even Viveka Raswami's bunions on his feet are also Gods? Did you not know the bunions on the feet are also the God?

[Narrator]

The apparent separateness of things is an illusion.

[Jay]

Sorcery as also.

[Narrator]

And the entire purpose of spiritual practice is to realize this. To dissolve the boundaries of the individual self back into the universal consciousness. There is no personal God who created you and loves you and calls you to account. There is no fall.

[Comedian]

Sir, you are God. Do not redeem. Sir, you are God. Please, you will also have to give me one Bitcoin or else we will come and arrest you. Sir, you're a God. Could I interest you in a new home finance loan? Sir, you're a God. I'm calling about your car's registry have expired. You are God.

[Narrator]

No resurrection. There is only the cosmic oneness. That all religions are at varying levels of sophistication. Groping toward this makes Vedanta very strategically flexible and made Vivekananda very effective. He could affirm every religious tradition simultaneously. Yes, the Muslims, Allah is real. Yes, his own Shiva is real. And yes, your Jesus Christ is real. Because none of them are the final word. They're all just fingers pointing at the same thing. Christianity becomes just one more lower level teaching that the spiritually material mature will eventually supersede. Like a child outgrows his training wheels. Which is of course one of the most thorough rejections of Christianity imaginable. Dressed up as a tolerant affirmation of it. Vivekananda just needed to get it into the bloodstream of the west and get in it did the same way Marxism, transgender, ideology and every other pathetic Contrivance does slowly and patiently over decades starting

[Jay]

in our whoever made this video. These images are hilarious. This little kitten like sneaking in like is a predator. This is a funny video.

[Narrator]

Universities where upstart professors and shining intellectuals corrupt our youth with their hubris and atheistic self emancipation from God and all authority and help prepare the ground for the general public to receive Vedanta using a neat harmless little package.

[Jay]

And by the way, wasn't Father Seraphim Rose so prophetic in Orthodoxy and the religion of the future back in what late 70s when he wrote that early 80s whenever it was and he said that you will find the rise of Hinduism in America? Well, lo and behold, we have now Hindu temples everywhere, all over the even the Bible Belt. We got a giant Hindu temple in Nashville that's brand new. Lots of new Infinity Indian friends in Nashville.

[Comedian]

Brother, glad to be to the Bible belts. We have a billion people now in Bible belch

[Jay]

because of that beautiful diversity and enrichment called yoga. Yoga moves a new kind of workout. Take part in yoga, the most ancient system of healing, toning and rejuvenating your body. By the way, I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit because everybody knows that we're not into yoga, but so basically just says yoga is intending on interacting with and contacting the deities. Of course, Jamie is doing a deep dive on that right now with Tibetan practices. She's been going into that classic book that's been online for many years by Victor Tamandi, which is deep diving into the practices of tantra, the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, the Dalai Lama and all that nonsense.

[Narrator]

The late great Father Seraphim Rose quotes a Benedictine monk named Jean Marie Descharnet who wrote an entire book called and I promise I'm not making this up Christian Yoga. And his experience is worth thinking over because it is a very precise illustration of exactly how this demonic influence works on someone who may even have genuinely good intentions. Desches describes the postures as producing an extraordinary sense of calm, a feeling of general well being, a euphoria that lasts. His nerves settle, his fatigue disappears. His whole personality, he says, has been altered. He is gentler, more content. And then, and this is where it gets interesting, his prayer life transforms overnight. He becomes contemplative in a matter of weeks. He feels more receptive, more open, more ready to be in his words, seized by the spirit. Father Seraphim identifies this immediately for what it is. Anyone who understands the Orthodox concept of pre list will recognize in that description exactly the characteristics of someone who has gone spiritual truly astray. The Striving for holy feelings, the willingness to be absorbed by anything spirit.

[Jay]

This is again exactly what you find in charismaticism. Remember Osho's cult? Osho's cult was like doing the exact same thing that Ann Lee were they were doing in her cult. Same thing that the charismatic. It's the same sort of bizarre, almost animistic voodoo practices of trying to get this sort of heightened state, an altered state of consciousness, and then sort of like you're no longer in control. Driving the body, right?

[Narrator]

Ritual with no regard for discernment, the seeking not for God, but for spiritual consolations. We notice the incredible ease with which this monk becomes mystical, contemplative, elevated, because genuine orthodox spirituality does not work like that. The prayer of the heart, the real deal, is acquired by very few people after many years of ascetic struggle under the guidance of a God bearing elder, by the way.

[Jay]

In the orthodox tradition too, you'll notice that Father Seraphim Rose is critiquing and opposing yoga, which undermines all the idiot Roman Catholics who say that, oh, you're a palamite, you're all into yoga.

[Narrator]

Not by doing pagan poses and breath work for three weeks. We can see that demons don't need to try particular guys.

[Jay]

The video, I put it in the chat, like 10 times. You keep asking me what video is. This is literally in the chat, like 10 times.

[Narrator]

Particularly hard when we just open the door. And this is Father Seraphim's larger point, the one that connects back to Vivekananda's mission directly. The goal of all this was never to make Westerners Hindu. It was to prepare the ground for the. For what Vivekananda called the religion of the future. A universal spirituality with no doctrine, no exclusive claims, no Christ, just experience and feeling. Getting people to say, I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.

[Jay]

Yeah, we're not particularly religious, I suppose, but I think we'd both say we were spiritual people, wouldn't we, Tom? Not particularly religious, in truth. Interested. Spiritual. Are you testing me, Satan?

[Narrator]

Here's the thing that gets forgotten in these conversations. Christianity is not suspicious of the body. It does not think the body is a distraction or a place prison or an embarrassing biological inconvenience that the soul has to drag around until death when the real stuff starts. Author.

[Jay]

Anyway, you can go watch the rest of this video. The overall video is pretty good. It's right here. Yes, it's called. Yoga is literally demonic. And it's on this channel called Aesthetic. Aesthetic. I'm not familiar with that channel, but this video popped up and I thought it was a good video. I don't see anything that I was in immediately wanting to get to right now and I am getting kind of hungry and tired. So guys, let's finish up these super chats and then we'll go to the last couple calls that we've got here and maybe call it a night. Brennan says White House dinner news. There was a, an attempted event. Oh really? Somebody mentioned that earlier and I didn't get to it. Let's see what's going on. Trump safely evacuated from White House correspondence dinner after shots fired incident happened around 8:40. Let's see. All right, what that video doesn't, it shows them kind of moving Trump away, but it doesn't, I don't hear any shots.

[TikTok Advertiser]

Let's see our team on the ground that the person, the suspect has been detained by Secret Service and that the President of the United States, Kevin, will return. The event will go on is what we're hearing from our team on the ground. He will return to the podium. It sounds like after they've sweeped the property where this is taking place. That to me, I don't know about you. Kevin indicates that this threat has been neutralized. They have this person in custody. They feel that it's safe enough for people to return, for the President to return and continue this dinner. What are your thoughts.

[Commentator]

Where.

[Jay]

Standby. I see a lot of people jumping and hiding. I'm not saying there wasn't a shot. I'm just saying there's not any footage or imagery that really shows anything other than just people kind of protecting other people. Well, isn't this an interesting providential thing? I'm not saying that this is, it's interesting providentially that we're talking about self defense, right? I mean imagine being like a president, a king, a world leader and then having people say that, you know, we should be, we need to be pacifist. It's just so like everybody has self defense. Even prominent clergy have self defense. In fact, I was just reading the other day about the Vatican has its own secret service and I never remember. I'm not talking about the Swiss Guard. There's this other group that has a weird name, starts with a V. Well, they have a group called the Entity, which is the Special Intelligence Service of the Holy See. That's the Vatican City States Intelligence Network. Supposedly it doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah, right. Give me a break. I mean you can see pictures of, was it Pope Francis surrounded by like 16 dudes of secret Service. Here's a papal visit. And I mean you think that these guys are all unarmed. So here's, is this Leo or this here's Francis and his pop mobile with let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. At least 20 Secret Service operatives around him. But remember, the death penalty is bad and we should be pacifist. Here's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Here's another 20 people around Francis. I mean this is just ridiculous. Like this guy has an army of dudes around him. He's got, he's got as many people around him as, as Trump would have, right? And he's talking about pacifism. And we, we have to not have the. So get, let me get this, this is how stupid this is. Every one of these Secret Service people would immediately pull a gun out on anybody trying to step to the Pope or Francis. Right? But the death penalty is bad, dude. Your Secret Service would execute the death penalty on anyone around you. This is so freaking gay, dude. You understand that the Secret Service doing self defense is the death penalty. Do you recognize that? All right, in that video you do hear what sounds like shots right here. Do do, do do sounds like, Sound like four shots. Like 1, 2, 3, 4, Maybe 5. Anyway, So doesn't seem that there's any into details on what exactly happened. It just says no injuries, suspect detained, and that's about it. We should pray for our leaders, even if we disagree with their policies. Yeah, it is the orthodox position to pray for our leaders for sure. Cmb, what's up man? Empty. It's. Yeah, it sounds like the whole clip was emptied. Exactly. What's up man? Cmb.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Hey, I was wondering about the, the cannibalism question from earlier. Is there a different defense that you might employ to avoid an accusation of the Eucharist being cannibalistic rather than like relying on a non standard definition of cannibalism?

[Jay]

I mean. What do you mean?

[Inquisitive Listener]

Like when I look at definitions of cannibalism, they're overwhelmingly unconcerned with whether or not that which is eaten is alive or dead.

[Jay]

Well again, it's a rational noetic sacrifice. As I said, it's not a human sacrifice.

[Inquisitive Listener]

But you're still eating human flesh, right?

[Jay]

No, we're eating deified the flesh of the God, man, not mere human flesh. That would be cannibalism.

[Inquisitive Listener]

But so wouldn't that entail that Christ is not human?

[Jay]

No. He's no longer merely human. He is a Deified human.

[Inquisitive Listener]

But you would still say he is still human, right?

[Jay]

Yeah, but it's not eating the flesh of some man. This is a dispute that Nestorius has with St. Cyril. They have this exact debate. And St. Cyril's argument is that, no, this is transformed deified flesh. He's now deified by the Holy Spirit. So that's why it's not just eating some man. And he says to Nostorius that if it wasn't the God man, it would be cannibalism and we would be eating some man. So the whole debate with Nestorius and St. Cyril actually ends up being about cannibalism.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Okay, I'll have to look into that. That sounds pretty interesting. It's funny, personally, it doesn't sound very convincing though, because it. You're still e. I mean, yeah, you're saying he's a God man, but he's still a deified.

[Caller]

What?

[Inquisitive Listener]

A deified human being. And so if you think.

[Jay]

Yeah, but what. What deification. What deification means is that that flesh has now become energized by the Holy Spirit, so it's no longer mere human flesh and it's transformed flesh. For example, he walks through walls at the end of the Gospel of John, so he's able to be and do things outside of time and space. It's not mere flesh.

[Inquisitive Listener]

I mean, do you think that that would be the case for like, everyone who's raised into eternal life, that they could do similar type of things that seem supernatural, or is that just speculative?

[Jay]

I think Pro John says that when we're resurrected, the rest of the saints bodies will be like Christ's body. So in that sense, yeah, we probably will have some of the same abilities or properties of his resurrected body.

[Inquisitive Listener]

And about the energized part, I mean, you would say that even Christians today are in part like participating in the energies of God, right?

[Jay]

Well, we do that through the Eucharist. So what we're partaking of is the deified flesh, which means we're partaking of the uncreated energies. That's the meaning of that for orthodoxy.

[Inquisitive Listener]

But you would still say that there is the divine energies in this being diffused or whatever verb you prefer, into people who are still mortal. Human beings that have not been raised into a deification, right?

[Jay]

That's correct. Yeah.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Okay, well then. But we're still human beings fully, right?

[Jay]

Sure. Okay.

[Caller]

All right.

[Inquisitive Listener]

That's about the extent to where I want to take this right now, but I appreciate it, man.

[Jay]

You have a good one. Are you. Are you Orthodox or have a religious view or you. Are you agnostic?

[Inquisitive Listener]

I've been. I was previously a catech man, but this issue kind of put. Put pause. Put that on pause for a while. So I'm currently Protestant by default and vaguely, you know, I'm rather open minded in general.

[Jay]

Do you think that the church in the first thousand years was Protestant or symbolic in their view of the Eucharist?

[Inquisitive Listener]

I mean, there are certain individuals. I'm aware that the dominant viewpoint for the majority of church history was that of a. What seems like a physicalist interpretation.

[Jay]

Well, when the Orthodox liturgy says our rational noetic sacrifice, what's the problem with that?

[Inquisitive Listener]

Irrational noetic sacrifice. I don't fully understand what that means, to be honest.

[Jay]

Well, you were a catechumen and you never heard that or you're not familiar with that? It's in the liturgy.

[Inquisitive Listener]

It was never in my, my academy classes.

[Jay]

It's in every liturgy.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Once.

[Caller]

Sorry.

[Jay]

It's in every liturgy.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Okay.

[Caller]

I mean, there's a lot of stuff

[Inquisitive Listener]

that every year that I hear that I forget. I'm sure that's been the same.

[Jay]

How many times did you go to liturgy?

[Caller]

Sorry?

[Jay]

How many times you go to liturgy?

[Inquisitive Listener]

I don't have like a specific number.

[Jay]

It was a lot. And you never heard our rational noetic sacrifice?

[Inquisitive Listener]

I mean, if you're saying it's just, you know, every single Sunday and every

[Jay]

single service, you didn't notice that.

[Inquisitive Listener]

Must have. Right?

[Jay]

Okay, Yeah. I don't believe that guy. Yeah, it's in every liturgy. And you're a catechumen, you're learning it. But you never heard that. Never heard of that. It's literally every liturgy. The rational noetic sacrifice in Divine Liturgy is. I'm trying to find the exact point when in the liturgy says that. I'm getting a bunch of Coptic sites. I don't want that. I don't usually like going to ancient faith. But. What is the meaning of the mystical rational noetic sacrifice word noetic transfer translates the Greek word no noeros found in the post notes. New Testament Greek, not the New Testament itself, is derived from the verb noo, which means to grasp, to apprehend, to perceive, and to intuit have insight into. An ancient Christian commentary, the liturgy by St. Nicholas Cabaselas. Why did this priest not put saint. He's a Saint. Written around 1350, Cabaselas notes that we

[Caller]

are

[Jay]

prayer before the Lord's altar. Commentary says Father Deo says that the phrase holy heavenly altar to return to the word noos and noo. The idea of A noetic knowledge has to do with intuition, insight. The glossary says in the Phil F. He just keeps referencing books. Tell me what you think it means. Noesis, intellection is not an abstract concept, but the act or function by the intellect whereby it apprehends spiritual realities in a direct way. So the intellect or the noose means our inner apprehension of the reality of God. Same thing up on the recluse says over and over and over. The noose, the cardia, the heart, is the true prayer. So the phrase the noetic altar in this petition seems to me that we perceive God's heavenly. We perceive the heavenly God as a personal trinitarian relationship through the medium of the sacrament. Andrew Rublev's Hospitality of Abraham icon shows that the energy, the divine energy comes through that we perceive the heavenly God as the personal Holy Trinity. Saint Isaac the Syrian says the noesis is a simple cognition to say, no complex arguments or deductive reasoning, just the direct experience and contemplation. No abstractions like God is the ground of being. No images like a grandfather at the sky. We're speaking of direct insight or noasis into God. I've actually never read, or if I have, there might be a. I have St. Germanis's commentary on the Liturgy, which is a good book. I read maybe 15 years ago, 10 years ago, and he may have a commentary on this that would be insightful. So Saint Germanus of Constantinople, Commentary on the Divine Liturgy. It's a very short book. It's only about 100 pages. And. There might be something good in this about the heavenly noetic altar, which is an interesting phrase, but all of this book is basically just saying that the earthly liturgy is the liturgy in heaven, that they're the same one. Right. So the priests and the deacons and their attire represents the angels doing the heavenly liturgy. So. Liturgy is a source of theology for the Orthodox Church. Epiclesis is crucial, whereas in the Roman Catholic Church is not. I'm just looking through my notes to see if I wrote anything about the noetic altar. There's a connection between the altar and the tomb and the real presence. We were transported to the heavenly powers. Yeah, I'm not. I don't know if somebody in the chat probably knows. Grits Carlson says, yeah, I'm tired of people referring to Coptics as Orthodox or their priests. It makes me hard to convince people to become Orthodox and leave. Yeah, well, it's a word concept, fellas. They're just using the name. And that's why all these grifter Podcaster people just do it on purpose. Noose Mr. Stacks. Anthony. They all became members. Welcome you guys. Patch says for 14 it's like waiting for Roman Catholic live streams. Like Nick. I can just Nick make people wait. Slim Jim says he's a new member. Rsl. What's up? I don't know how to. I can't speak Spanish. Dude, we got a bunch of new members. Silverman, Nathan. What's up? Welcome all you new members. Gregory, $5. Thank you. In the Phil, $2. Sam tries. Oh, we read that earlier. Excuse me. Mormon space wives. A precondition. Is it a precondition for magical Mormon underwear? Yes. You have to learn the song before you get your underwear. NIFS$5. Thank you. Raptured west says Jay is not on bipoc time because he was here on time. Exactly. Jamis must have sleep. And 8 good H. Brazy $10. To be fair to all of them, I'm single handedly responsible for at least half of those. I think he means the inward passes. Correct. I think that's what he's talking about. Ritz Carlton. Them boys play too much. Welcome to the new members. After them. Lou Balu 5 El Balu $5. Alex O Connor's YouTube post saying, who should we have on his show? I'm assuming people said me, but I don't know if he's ever going to want to do that. I mean, maybe, but you know, we almost had that Pierce Morgan debate and he, he didn't want to do that. So. I don't see the post about who he should have on. But yeah, I mean, if you guys want to. Yeah, you're always welcome to go. You don't have to get my permission. Go ahead and recommend me. Absolutely. That's the way that a lot of these podcasts end up coming about is they see a lot of recommendations. Yo, Kansas, $20. Is it possible to briefly explain why TAG is specific to guys? I made a video on this so I wouldn't have to do a two hour lecture every time it comes up. It's called Tag the Trinity. I just renamed the old post to this so that it could be easily found from TAG to Trinity Phaser. Aristotle Augustine. There we go. And I'm not trying to be dismissive. I appreciate the super chat. It's just like every time we do an open forum, this question comes up and I cannot repeat the same hour argumentation every live stream. So. Is there a book on this topic? Unfortunately, no, there's not. Apparently you've been to my church in St. Pete, St. Petersburg, Florida. If I have. I don't remember, but maybe day gyre, $3.00. Protestant apologist meets redeemed zoomers at the magisterial office. Did Episcopalian schism from Anglicans? I don't know if they schism, but I mean the Episcopals were the American version of the Anglican Church, so a lot of the founding fathers were Episcopalians, which is just American Anglicanism. So I don't know if there was a schism. I'm not a Anglican historian. I'm not sure. Zayn, $10. They're scared to debate you. All these people are the are scared. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I mean it's mild. Talking with West Huff gets you immediately blocked. I was a little more heavy handed with Gavin Orland though, so. But I don't care. Like, it's like people making a huge deal. I did. Do you think I care? I don't care if Gavin Ortland blocks me. I think it's funny. Austin, $5. Ruslan can't monetize me. I already spent all of my money on super chess for Jay. That's funny. President retard, $10. Ruslan talks crap about 80s aesthetics, but he's his. His church is named after a Janet Jackson album. We are a part of the rhythm nation. That's a great point. That's actually. That's pretty funny. Day Jar, should we put money on when they start to promote the next Protestant apologist with a mid level following?

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Jay]

Who would that be? I don't even know. I was looking up. Right. The YouTube metrics. I mean, we're conquering any of these people in terms of last year. You can't find any YouTube metric. Like even. Who's that guy, Frank? I don't even know who these people are. Like, I've never paid attention to Frank Turek, but we're even beating Frank Turek, who people bring up all the time. So here's the last five years. Let's bring up Frank. True. I think for the first time ever we beat him. Or we got right here. Close. So in terms of web searches, we're right below Frank Turek. And if we come over here to YouTube search, we are blowing him away.

[Caller]

So.

[Jay]

And I don't people. I don't even know who he is. People just bring him up like what. What about Frank Turk? Frank Turk. Well, I mean look at the last two years of YouTube right there. And people want to flex. These people all want to flex their channel. I'm. I'm doing this because these people flexing their channel in my face like Ruslan Muhammad Hijab. Flexing, flexing. You ain't got the numbers, dude. Oh, really? The numbers are blowing you away. What you talking about? And by the way, this is pretty much all of them. Now, I did not expect, by the way, West Huff to be as popular as he was outside of YouTube. So it turns out West Huff is actually. We're catching up to him on YouTube, as you can see there. But he is very heavily web searched, so you can see he's significantly more searched web wise. And we are. But we are catching up to him on YouTube. However, I don't even know who would be the top. Who would even be the top Protestant apologist. That's a good question. Let's see what William Lane Cross Craig gets. Oh, wow. Okay, so we. We have surpassed William Lane Craig for the first time ever. Literally right now. Now that's just web search, right? That's the biggest search. But the number two big search is YouTube. And we blow William Lane Craig away on YouTube, but for the first time ever, we've surpassed that on. Now what you say, oh, why you care about this? Why you care about this? You being arrogant. Do you know that for people having you on shows, this is what they look at. They won't have you on shows. I mean, I was even told multiple times about PBD's people, the numbers aren't there, bro. The numbers aren't there, bro. Okay, well, now the numbers are there because we actually have literally the same numbers or greater than almost all of these other people that have been on there. And I'm not taking digs at anybody. I'm glad that Andrew got gets on the shows. I'm absolutely supportive of Andrew. Andrew's always been supportive. Don't read into what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about Andrew. I'm not talking about Rachel. I'm talking about Ruslan. Who else flex numbers? Derek Myth Vision. Remember Derek Myth Vision flexing his numbers in my face. He said he's gonna be at half a million. I'm gonna be at a million. And we've already blown him out of the water just in. This is the last two years, you guys. So, no, they can't flex the numbers in my face anymore. We already saw Muhammad Hijab earlier. James White. He doesn't even hardly show up. Maybe Jeff Durbin's big. I don't know. Let's see Mike Winger. Let's see what Mike Winger's at. Maybe these are the biggest. The big Protestant dudes. Now Jeff Durbin, let's see, is he. Where's he at? No, Jeff Durbin is. Looks like about five times less searched. And of course we blow them away on YouTube. So who are. I don't even know who the Protestant who's even a big Protestant. Gavin Orland doesn't show up. Brian Chip. Now Brian Shapiro. Brian Shapiro is certainly not an apologist. I guess it's Wes Huff. Is West Huff the big dog now? It's not Gavin Orland, I can tell you that. Look, we'll check that. So we are twice as much on YouTube as Gavin and we even beat Gavin and web search. So. But Gavin's got quite a bit of web traction there. Maybe Mike Winger is the big Protestant apologist. I don't know. Let's see. It's Mike Wingers. Interesting. So Mike Winger has a pretty large Internet web search presence. I didn't realize that. So he's bigger on web search and then we're equal on YouTube. So I guess Wes Huff and Mike Winger are the big dogs. We gotta really focus on the battle, right? For the battle can noodle 100 JDC Redeemed Zoomer Discord leaks that he was going to start banning people because they keep converting orthodoxy. Well, there was a leak of that like two years ago. So are you referring to that? Are you referring to something new? So you might be referring to the. There was that leak two years ago. By the way, we've blown redeemed Zoomer

[Caller]

out of the water.

[Jay]

He doesn't even hardly show up. Here, I'll show you. Watch this. Redeem Zoomer is one, by the way.

[Comedian]

How do you have like.

[Jay]

Doesn't he have like a million subscribers or isn't he up there pretty high? And he's not anywhere near what we are searched on YouTube. And we're three times more searched on the web. So the like these bigger channels, right? There's this appearance of like, oh, they got the numbers. They got the numbers. Well, maybe, but that's not necessarily a reliable metric. It may be. All right, let's. I think I'm missing some super chats here. Craftsman, $5 ask. Ask him if they get a pre made sound clam cloud channel for their. For their rap raps. If they join Ruslan Search. Yeah, with Ruslan Search, you get a free SoundCloud ch. Blade says I'm about to convert orthodoxy from Pentecostal. You expose a lot of this stupidity. It's okay, man. We're all stupid at some point. It's all good Whether I owe an explanation to people growing up with or not, I don't know. I'm already your comment cut off. I can't see the rest of it, but many years. Mancho, $10 for God to be omniscient. How does he not. Oh, does he need to not know what it is to have sex to remain omniscient? Oh, this is a. Actually, this question was raised in the Middle Ages, and I think a lot of the scholastics actually had a good answer to this, which is omniscience doesn't necessarily entail direct experiential knowledge of everything, because God could have a notional knowledge of it. Right. So he knows that there is sex, but he doesn't know what it is to have sex. Or like, God knows that there is an object on the table, but God doesn't have to know what it is to be an object. Right. Because it would lead to a lot of absurdities. Brother Hakeem, $5. Jay, that channel that linked on Twitter. Oh, put a gu. Put together a lot of clips about Ruslan. It's called Folding Ruslan into Origami. Yeah. So if you're interested in more of the Ruslan critiques, it's from this channel called Folding Rouge on into Origami. That's the channel that originally had, I think, some of the original critique clips. So Carlos says, For $10, if you think about the people in charge of the world, if they think that they're dangerous to all of us, then you're exposing the truth. Technically, what are you saying is dangerous? All right, let me rephrase that. If you think about it, the people in charge of the world are dangerous to all of us. So when you're exposing the truth, technically, what you're saying is dangerous. Oh, so that's a way to refute. Right. Like Gavin Ortland's claim that orthodox people. Seems like he's saying, oh, you guys are dangerous. Ruslan says are dangerous. Another dumb meme, bro. $10. I missed the debate. I got tickets to fly out. Are you talking about the Freemason debate? When will it be posted? I don't know. Again, I don't know. People's content schedules, man. Another dumb meme, bro. $5. JLP. Yeah, we read that one. Infinite Zeal says Apostle Paul was obviously teaching at the Riz and Blues Business Church. That's what he set up in Ephesus. Everyone knows this. Nick says for $5, did the apostles was having rap battles at Rhythm church in the first century. Exactly. After my $5 let me put a smile on my face when I'm confessing to the Almighty what a degenerate I am. That was an earlier clip, I guess. Jet Jedi, $5. Added drops of monetization, dog. Exactly. Exactly. Swinters, would you debate Alex o'? Connor? I've tried multiple times. He declined the Piers Morgan debate. Intrinsic, 5$J. One day you gonna have FU money. That's that rouge line level. We trying to get to that roo line level, bro. How are we going to get to that roof line level? Smokey 2, $10. Thank you for your work. We were baptized. I think I read that one. Mr. Funker, $5. Christ told his microphone to die. I don't get it. Oh, you mean the caller. Okay, I get it. NIFS. Yo, buy yourself with this. $2 a black and mild king. Okay, Diane says for $10. What kind of heresy is responsible for his Bless God logo? I'm generally curious. I don't understand. Is he trying to be relevant? It looks like soft serve, dude from a bunch of soft boys. William, $5. Muhammad hijab got his degree from a university that he ran by his father. True fact. But is it Oxford? Because he claims to have like five degrees. Viceroy, $20. Jay, you were before all these guys were out here. You're speaking truth. I'm glad to get to see that. You're getting bigger now. Appreciate that, man. L believe $5. Why is Muhammad Hijab named after a woman's garment? I mean, it does seem like a. Maybe it's an Internet name. Not his real name. I don't know. Jay, Brit J. Dyer is orthodox. Rickson, Gracie. I don't know who Ricks and Gracie is. B rizzle. You have book recommendation for Laws of Logic? Ask Father Deacon, because he teaches logic class. In fact, I think he has a logic lecture on his channel, Patristic Faith, and he would probably recommend a book. Alter void. $5. What did Pope say God gave rights? What is this? Wait, did the Pope say God gave the rights? Where is the Book of Rights? I think that will be inconsistent when you look at. On the one hand, it's natural law, natural theology, but like, you know, we've done many critiques of that. Go back to the old critiques with FDA of natural theology. Like how do you get. It's not. It's not. They don't consistently derive rights from that. Faradin, $5. Is it evil to knowingly sin? Yeah. I mean, that's the definition of evil. What about being vindictive? I would say that's an evil attitude. Even if somebody says quote, I know it's not very Christian, but I can't help myself. Well, it is possible to not sin, so I don't think that's a very good excuse. Rachel. $20. Rachel Wilson I think this failed performer evangelical preacher arc started during the Second Great Awakening. Many of the great open air revival preachers of that area were actually want to be actors. Oh, I didn't know that. That makes sense though. But acting was considered kind of a dirty profession. Exactly right. So people would kind of transition and be like ah, if I want to be a performer, but it's kind of a dgen profession so I'll just go be a preacher and you know, perform on a stage. Great Scott. $5. Love you brother. Keep representing the Bipox Crash Metal Religion. $5. Would you consider debating Ben Burgess? I don't know who that is. He's an atheist Marxist philosophy professor. He debates religions regularly. I mean, I guess I'm open to that with it's got to be on a decent channel and I mean usually, usually when I say I'm gonna bring tag, a lot of these guys nowadays, they don't, they'll be like no, I'm not debating tag. They just hand wave it like it's this trickery. Like trickery. But I think that's just like the evangelicals. They just really don't want to have their position challenged. Saian says for $5 if the Orthodox Church ran the governments. Well, the Orthodox Church isn't going to run the governments. That's not what center, that's not what symphonia means. And the priesthood could be perceived as the gospel becoming law. No, we believe in two different domains. Right. And that's why we in canon law, priests don't fight battles. They don't don't go to war. They're not supposed to be, you know, involved in, you know, running a hedge fund or something like that. What's up chicken tendy taint? Nothing. $5. St. Alexander Nevke is a perfect example of when to use violence with crusaders and when to not with the Mongols. Oh, great example. Yeah, I always forget about that as a great example. Appreciate that. Dark math. $5. What is your take on Clement of Alexandria? He is not. He's a patristic writer but he's not a saint in the Orthodox Church. So he's kind of like Tertullian or one of these characters who, you know, they have about a very, a valuable historical witness. But we do not consider them Saints or theologically reliable? Forgiven Doomer. 14J. I've been trying to ask a question for a year. I'm sorry, I don't see you. Forgiven Doomer. Sorry, dog. Why don't you ask your question in the super chat? Maurice says for $5, you got to check out the video folding Rus lawn into origami. It's a gold mine. P. Brown says there's another attempt on trunk. Yeah, I saw that. We covered that a minute ago. Arthur says for 129 seks. Jay, thank you. Your work has helped me understand idol worship in the terms of meta narratives. Mind blowing. Oh, thanks, man. Appreciate that. Jay says for $2, in Heliocentric's video, at 6:17-24, he shows Ruslan. All right, let me find that video again. Promote atheism who were ardent Zionists and then some who were ardently pro Palestine. I even met a few people who were, like, quite quietly pro choice. Oh, can you say that? Is that allowed? Is that. Is that a thing? No, I'm not trying. Oh, he's saying Ruslan is quietly pro choice. Yeah, I mean, people should ask. People should ask Ruslan that. Is he quietly pro choice? I mean, that's crazy. Dude met a few people who were, like, quietly pro choice. Can you say that? Is that allow. Is that. Is that a thing? But he. He might. He also might mean that the joke is that Ruslan is gonna get him if he says that about Ruslan's conference. Or is he saying Ruslan is private privately, that. I don't know what the. What he means there. And then everybody's gonna say, oh, you can't trust this guy. He's an atheist. So, yeah, I don't know if people should. I mean, if Ruslan was pro choice, he would definitely have to be quiet about it because that would undo a lot of his evangelical following. Mancho, we did that one Iron Giant. Yeah, we just saw the Trump thing. Appreciate that. Heliocentric is saying that Ruslan is pro choice at six. Yeah, we just played that clip. I mean, is he. I mean, maybe it's unclear whether he means Ruslan's gonna police him for saying that pro choice people are at the conference, or it's Ruslan that's secretly pro choice protocol. $10. Do you have thoughts on the Nestle CEO Baraback, Brayback. Brayback let Mafe being appointed as the chairman of wf. No, I didn't know that.

[Caller]

But

[Jay]

they're the ones that want to privatize all the water in the world, so that's pretty crazy. So that makes sense that he would be at the on the WF board now. Ryan, $5. If all of God's creation fell in Adam, how is it that Satan and the demons fell in heaven? Well, the angelic realm fell through Satan. And then because man was created as a steward of the created world, like our world, not the noetic realm, Satan fell in the noetic realm, man fell in this realm and split it from that heavenly noetic realm. So. When we say all of God's creation fell, we don't mean that the angelic realm fell through man. We mean that the created order, that man inhabits the created universe, we're saying fell through Adam, but also to get into the angelic realm. You're right though, to point this out because Paul says in the resurrection we will judge the angels. And so man was actually appointed to be even above the angels eventually. And that's what caused the envy of the devil to want the fall of man to destroy man. Because Satan didn't believe that man should be above him. So in the resurrection we will be above the angels. And that's what makes the demons envious of mankind. Iron John. Five dollars. My Quaker mother. Quaker mother? I thought Quakers were like almost non existent. You have a Quaker mom? She's getting into Messianic Judaism because it's the word of God. She thinks Orthodoxy is a cult. Well, show her the documentary that we made. Orthodox religion in the orthodox verse in the Old Testament. Buck Rogers. $5. Jay, I want to ask you about your opinion of Ayn Rand and selfish objectivism. My brother wants to make a Christian. Is your brother a 17 year old teenager in high school? I mean like people grow out of that. Yeah, I don't think you can make that Christian. JB, $5. J.D. do you not?

[Comedian]

Do you deny the orthodox people hypnotized?

[Jay]

I talk to orthodox he will about some hip hypnotic union. That is what he would say, right? If I have said hyp. You talk about hypnotic union. Raptured West. Jay, I bought the Red Book. I'm excited to get it. Yeah, you'll like it. I gotta buy some more though because I'm out of stock. Lockstep charitable POC. Christopher, what's up? Canned noodles. $20. I had a Roman Catholic idiot said that Isaiah 22 is David and thus it's Peter. Well, it's funny because the typology is obviously making it about Christ. And then when that steward imagery is used in by Jesus in the parables of the great of the good steward it's all the bishops, right. So they just assume that all of its Petrine and the church fathers. This. That's actually a very late interpretation. Right. You don't find church fathers, typically when they talk about Isaiah 22, it's interpretive of Christ. It's not the bishop of Rome. Right. So this is a very late adoption that they use to capitalize on lockstep. Says Frank Truett might be the top Protestant apology. It looks like Frank Turek Westhoff and Mike Winger are the top Protestant. Googled and searched apologists. They beat out Wayland, Craig James. White's not even up there. So. And I think Mike Winger blocked me again. Another one of these guys, I asked him to debate. He was really snarky and dismissive and condescending. And I mean, these guys are so. It's. You guys act like, oh, Jay's mean to them, and that's why they're like, no, no, I'm nice at first, and then they block me. Then they do all this ridiculous stuff, and that's when I talk. So when you aren't willing to defend your position, that's when I usually. I lose respect and I just kind of start joking. And then you see how soft they are. Like, they can't even handle, like, mild jokes. I remember asking. I. I noticed in my dms, I asked Mike Winger twice to debate, and he did reply in the DMs. The first time he replied, he was like, he was nice. He was like, no, I don't. I don't really want to step into the debate sphere or something like that. That was like two years ago. And then maybe like six months ago, he was. They all want to sound off on Twitter though, right? They want to have all this, like, Twitter stuff, and they don't want pushback because then you start giving them pushback and they get mad and complain. And in the pushback, you'll say, hey, I'd like to, you know, set up a formal debate. You want to debate this topic of, you know, whatever. And then they get mad and then they block you. And then I'm like, okay, I don't. I have lost respect for you guys. Rico says for 20. Jay, what do you think about theological position on secular music, for example, Bethel music? It's actually treated like worship music. It's not. I don't like that stuff at all. What I think of secular music. Oh, that's Christian themed. I mean, it just comes off as corny to me. Can noodle $20? Oh, we did that one. JLM Jim Morris. Jim Morris, $5. Can you debate Adam from Law of Liberty? He says orthodox demonic. He got 200k. He wants to debate law of Liberty. Is that sounds like some Protestant thing? I mean, I guess I'm open to that. I mean I've got debate with Protestant pastor. So I think the easiest way to debate this kind of stuff is with modern day debate. I mean Andrew might be willing to do some of the debates, but he's he. Every now and then we'll do them. But MDD wants kind of to do more of these types of of debates. So no, I'm not familiar with this guy. How to preach soul winning. Oh, he's in Jacksonville. Well, if he's in Jacksonville, we could probably do an easy in person debate. Right, so he's an an anti Zionist. Is he non denominational? What is he Baptist? Law of Liberty, Baptist Church. Okay. He's not like freaking Anderson. Is he that crazy? Pastor Anderson, Everlasting life. Lord we love you. And I call this the GPS to have. He looks like Stephen Anderson. He's like a Stephen Anderson clone. Like, I mean, is he crazy or is he like sane? Spit on west. $5. This is my sleigh tithe. I like that. Slay queen. All y' all slay queens are welcome to slay tithe. D says for $10. How dangerous is active imagination teachings from Carl Young? I don't actually know what he, what his teachings are, but I mean, I mean, my guess would be it's going to kind of get into gnostic stuff. I mean that's usually where the Carl Young stuff says, I did a sensory deprivation tank and gave something power over Christ. Yeah, I would not do any of that. Dude, go to church dog. Terry, $5. Thank you for reply. I would enjoy this book. Holy Scripture and quest for authority in the Middle Ages. Oh, I would enjoy that book. Okay. Yeah. Holy Scripture and the Quest for authority. Okay, Brother Hakeem Jay. Oh, we did that one. Reward Red Word, $5. This is not an attack. I'm frustrated with this point. The Last Supper chat, correcting the Lutheran caller two days ago calling my point stupid is not a response. It shows that you lack knowledge of Lutheranism. The point that was stupid was that you said that it's not binding. But you're like, but we're all submitting to the Book of Concord. But you said the Book of Concord is not binding. That's what was stupid. Smokey, $10. You got news about White House Hilton? Yeah, we covered that. Theophon, $3. Why do cops come up so often because they're just active online. And by the way, David is going to debate age, ain or agent, whatever his name is. So that'll be, I think, on mdd. Are we isolated from them? They're in Nashville, so no. I thought it was a handful of brown guys that sound like Ruslan making Instagram content. Well, with the influx of migrants, you're going to start seeing more of them. Jb, the feds are talking about Essence Energy distinction because they think it means petrol and chemical stuff. And the government's going to invade orthodoxy for oil. That's funny. Spit on the West. And we do that. Shock. Mike, $5. Can you recommend a book or two that will make me less? Well, I guess it depends on what you like to read, but, I mean, you could read. I don't know. It just depends on how much of a reader you are and whether you want to read something dense or something simple. I mean, I would say start with Narnia if you're not a reader, or read the Hobbit if it's a little. That's a little more than Narnia if you want fiction or read the Orthodox Study Bible, read the Lord of the Rings. That's what comes to mind. Next, spit. Let's see. Spit on west. $5. I got a question. If Protestants post the John Nelson Darby had 18, 150 years of fake emotional BS, what would that cult look like? Wait. If Protestants post John Nelson Darby had 1850 more years. I don't know what that means. I don't. I don't understand the question. Nebo. $5. I told you earlier about when I was at Rhythm Church. When I was there, Ruslan was pro life. Okay, so. Well, but if he was that the argument they would say is that he's secretly. I don't know, but, yeah. Fretboard, $5. Reverend Benjamin Crim is a progressive Wesleyan. I see him a lot. He needs pushback. Excuse me. Benjamin creamer. Great Scott. $5. You monetize me, dog, because you show me orthodoxy. I appreciate that. Appreciate that, my man. Appreciate that, my man. I don't think I have any more energy for haters in opposition, guys. Thank you so much. Be sure and head over to chalk.com. use promo code J60Live to get 60% off. Otherwise, I think we're gonna call it a night. A lot of fun tonight. We didn't get to everything, but again, we'll save that for, you know, we been doing a lot of streams. We'll.