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Serial Killers, Psy Warfare & McGowan's Programmed to Kill: Jay Dyer
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Jay Dyer
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Jay Dyer
You're listening to Jay's Analysis. This is the introduction to the Jay's Analysis podcast. The only authoritative source for Jay's analysis is Jay's Analysis, Film philosophy, geopolitics, the esoteric and much, much more satire and comedy. Two now added bonus for. Jay Dyer from Jay's analysis. The next thing that we're going to do, as I promised, is Dave McGowan's program to kill. An excellent book. I actually did read it, see my notes as proof. So we're going to talk about the alternate theories that are possible when it comes to so called serial killers. And this is what Dave McGowan presents in the book is a different thesis as to how it is and why it is. There was this explosion, you know, post manson into the 70s and 80s of the serial killer phenomena which then seemed to transition in the 90s into movies at Hollywood. It became a Hollywood thing and you had all these serial killer obsessed film theories and plots. You had all of these serial killer plots, but where were all the actual serial killers right from the 90s on into today? Not that many that we hear about, at least in the news. Right. So where did all the serial killers go? Well, Dave's gonna give his analysis of several of the important serial killers from the last several years and what was probably going on with these guys. What Dave's going to do is offer a lot of alternative evidence that is ignored by mainstream media and maybe the standard stories that you hear about these serial killers. And we're also going to get into the MKUltra project and its potential connection to the Phoenix program, which is also a book by Doug Valentine that we will probably discuss in the near future as well. But for Dave's thesis, what he's going to propose is that when you look at the military connections of the MK Ultra program, and this was of course the Programs throughout the 40s and 50s and 60s that were known for experimentation into hypnosis, experimentation into truth serums, the stuff that you've probably seen in movies and films. But the real research, of course has been delved into pretty in depth by other writers like John Marks in his book the Search for the Mentor in Canada. And we've covered that book at Jay's analysis, Dave's book, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, the Laurel Canyon scene, we've covered that as well. And that deals with MK Ultra. And of course this book is going to deal with it. And what he's going to propose is that because of these many military connections and in fact that many of the top serial killers had these military intelligence and CIA type connections, contract killer connections, that there's a good possibility that we can look back to something like the Phoenix program and see that that was probably connected to the MK Ultra program and then by extension that the serial killer phenomenon might have actually been a US domestic manifestation of perhaps these guys coming back from their overseas service or being programmed at various clinics through what we see with Dr. Yuen Cameron and the MK Ultra programs, Jose Delgado, Jolyon west, all these figures that we've seen so long in so called conspiracy circles be mentioned, but are actually really and truthfully doctors, psychiatrists, right, who were running the real MKULTRA programs. So that's the beginning setting for what Dave's writing about. And this is 2004. So this is prior to things like the BTK killer. So that's another guy, by the way, who is not in Dave's book but had this pedigree of military and killer type, you know, background. And that's really, I think makes a lot more sense than the, the homegrown killer, right, which is what we're taught is really going on with people like Manson or these kind of characters that they're, that they're these just random products of a bad upbringing or abuse or something like this. And another aspect to this that the mainstream media rarely touches, except maybe in the Manson case, I'll kind of talk a little bit about cults is that Dave's gonna dive pretty deep into research done by other characters like Maury Terry, the ultimate evil, that maybe there were actually more powerful networks and cults in the background behind people like Berkowitz, people like Henry Lee Lucas, people like Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker and Manson. Right? Something beyond the process, Church even. I'm not just talking about a cult. I'm talking about, you know, people with kind of these deep state, dark black side of the black ops world, right, who have a vested interest in maybe using someone like a psychopathic killer in the case where you might need to have a hit, a professional contract killer can have somebody offed. And Dave's thesis is going to be of course in part that maybe what happens in some of these cases and he's going to give some evidence. It's not just thesis, but if police have say, an unsolved crime in certain districts, right? He's not saying this is everywhere in every police district in the U.S. he's just saying in certain states where you've had the problem of the so called serial killers, which tends to be, for whatever reason probably connected to Mexico and drugs and whatnot. Florida, Texas and California are the main regions where these serial killers just pop up. And you know, obviously California is like a big one, right? You have a whole bunch of serial killers that have had their reign of terror all right, out in California. So the first thing though that he sets it up is the whole idea of the, the, the pedophiles in government, which is interesting because Dave is no longer around, Unfortunately. But in 2004 he was writing about this tendency of these, these sickos and satanists and pedophiles who do seem to occupy, you know, the important levers of power in various states and in various corporations and so forth. And so that's where he sees that being connected because it's kind of a, he's painting a picture of the cultural decline that's also related to the rise of the serial killers, right? You have the 60s revolution, which in weird scenes inside Laurel Canyon, he argued was really fostered and aided and abetted by the establishment, right? Like these characters were given record deals, they were given a lot of promotion, a lot of attention. So that suggests that there was some degree of coordination and that they were propelled to stardom. The specific Laurel Canyon people like the Doors, mamas and papas, etc. For a reason. And so in the same way he's going to point out the odd connections behind a lot of the serial killers, right? In a similar way to how many of the Laurel Kenyan bands and so called artists had all these deep state Military family, military intelligence connections. In the same way, Dave's gonna say that a lot of these serial killers seem to have the same pattern. And that fits with the idea, with the notion that they would have been part of, as we said, perhaps the Phoenix program or something akin to it, or something like the MK Ultra program.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right.
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Jay Dyer
We think of Ted Kaczynski, you know, he, he had a stint where he volunteered at Harvard to participate in MK Ultra experiments. That was actually in his obituary in I believe the LA Times or New York Times. You can go look that up. But yes, he was actually a willing participant in MK Ultra research. So if you're wondering why you get this sort of crazed guy out in the woods who's warning of the tech takeover, you know, a long time ago, and we're told that he's the one who's, who's bombing the, you know, maybe. Actually I'll do my. The Unabomber. I was actually thinking about doing a full unit unibrow and then I would have called it the Unibrow Bomber. I may still do that skit. That sounds like a lot of fun. But remember these pictures that you saw of this guy in the 90s, and he would just be like, like up on the TV and they're saying, oh, that's the Unabomber. And he, he, we know because he sends in, you know, these bombs and he's gonna bomb all these planes. I, that sounds like a bunch of to me. But who knows? Maybe this guy was really, really just totally off his rocker. Or maybe he was just living off the grid and they chose a patsy. But that's going to be another theme, right? The Unibrow Unabomber report. That's going to be another theme in Dave's book is the idea of when the police departments are needing to clear up some unsolved cases, maybe they stack them onto the so called serial killer or the professional hit killer and then voila, right? Serial killer, XYZ with three names.
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Narrator/Interviewer
It's always three names.
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Jay Dyer
Bobby Lee Long, right? He's got 200 kills, which is hard to believe, but maybe some of those were actually just stacked on unsolved crimes. The other important aspect to what Dave talks about is the notion of the serial killer phenomenon being social engineering, that what it had a tendency to do was make everybody very, very afraid of public venues or going out or letting your kids play this kind of stuff and that, that it atomized society because everybody got this false impression, which wasn't actually true, that there were millions of serial killers out there, everywhere, right? Millions of Unabombers everywhere, right. It's kind of the same with the war on terror, right? This domestic version of this, that, that there's, there's just these psychos just everywhere. And that's not actually true, right. There are certain cases where this appears to be the be true. And these people oftentimes have these very strange connections to, you know, hardcore military killer family members, etc. Maybe they trained them or they were involved in some sort of cult activity. So I'm stopped being the Unabomber there. But so maybe, you know, in a lot of these cases we see that the serial killers happen to be multiple personality people. And what's neat is that Dave notes that the chief deniers of multiple personality dissociative identity disorder were actually the CIA people who were at the False Memory Syndrome foundation, which is a CIA funded disinformation outlet that was intended to debunk any idea of ritual abuse. And then so the FBI and these different law enforcement entities would go to these experts who would then tell them, oh, there's no such thing as satanic ritual abuse. That's all made up, right? So that, that, that's just made up, right? It's sensationalism. There's no real networks or ritual abuse or something like that. So Dave covers all that, which is really interesting. And this is of course, I think what I may start doing is the, instead of the full hour, you know, do these 15 minute summaries because people are a lot more willing to share 15 minute things than they are 45 minute one hour things, which for the listeners, you're still going to get the subscribers, you're still going to get the full experience where we will talk about the totality of the book in the review and the analysis. And of course I'm always going to recommend that people go buy the actual book. My analysis and review is not a substitute, it's just a survey. In the same way that we might discuss any work of literature, something like that. So you're going to see that a lot of these serial killers have high level political connections. Why would that be? Why would Rosalyn Carter, right, the first lady, be meeting with John Wayne Gacy?
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right.
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Jay Dyer
And this is like photos of this. This is a famous picture which I didn't know about until I heard Dave, you know, give some interviews and talk about his book. And then when I read the book, I was just like, you can find this online. Why are, why would Ted Bundy be, you know, working adamantly for the Nelson Rockefeller campaign.
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Right.
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Jay Dyer
He's, he's, he's very interested. I'm not saying that he was new him per se. I don't know about that. But you know, why is why.
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Jay Dyer
The kind of this rising GOP guy, right? And Dave's talked about that a lot in interviews. So we're going to see a lot of cults are going to tie into mobs and this is something I've talked about a lot of Jay's analysis. And they're going to tie into intelligence agencies. And then so we're starting to see the architecture of the criminal networks and how they work and the power structure, how it works and so forth. Now they use these people and what they do is they will profile for the psychos and then a psycho is useful, right? What can we do with this psycho guy?
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Right?
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Jay Dyer
How. What use would Manson perhaps be? What use would Berkowitz perhaps be? So the psychos are put to the system's use, right? That's not to say that that there aren't psychos. They are. You see, these are the people who actually were abused. A lot of them were child prostitutes. They were prostituted out. They were molested. A lot of them, their parents, their mom was a prostitute and he would like make them watch in the case of Henry Lee Lucas. And so obviously this guy's damaged, right? So that's what's happened to a lot of these guys. And then they become dissociated, right. They have these alternate states and even Dave is willing to kind of give the possibility or halfway admit in some, some sections of the Book, maybe these, they're also kind of possessed, right? So they're not just splits, alternate identities, they might also have spiritual problems in possession. And I think that's the most logical analysis too. So you've been listening to Jay's analysis and next, if you want to see the full analysis of Dave's book where we look at a lot of these cases of the serial killers and their alternate personalities and Dave's totality argument and thesis, you need to subscribe to Jay's analysis for $4.95 a month or for $60 a year. You can also get my book Esoteric Hollywood Sex Cults and Symbols in Film, signed at my website and thank you for watching and get ready to get into some pretty dark, nasty stuff. But it's illustrative, it's interesting and it reminds me again of the Shyamalan movie Split, right? I mean, I know that's Hollywood, but if you watched Split, it's very reminiscent of what we read and programmed to kill.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Now we move to the actual text and what Dave argues in the book and he mentions the importance of mind control. And this is something that we've talked about many times. We've done a lot of interviews, a lot of talks, a lot of discussions on the reality of mind control and how it would be useful in many different fields. Marketing would be interested in this, psychology would be interested in this, intelligence agencies, military, you name it, all would be interested.
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Jay Dyer
Cults, right?
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Narrator/Interviewer
So all of these various aspects of our crazy world could have some potential use for mind control. And so you can see why with the development of all the scientific techniques since the scientific revolution, as to why this would be such an important focus of study. And the government, especially our government, especially in the last 50, 60, 70 years has poured tremendous money into this. And as we said, that was documented in John Marks book the Search for the Manchurian Candidate, which you can get that book as well. It will be in the recommended reading page as I update that in the next couple days. Jay's analysis and I also have my review and analysis of that book. Now some of these books that he's mentioned we're probably familiar with. He mentions Acid Dreams, he mentions Journey into Madness, Delgado's book Physical Control of the Mind. One of the MK Ultra doctors who actually wrote a book on physical control of the mind, Donald Baines book Control of Candy Jones, Her Usage by the military. And we have Walter Beaut's pretty well known book, Operation Mind Control, Peter Watson, War on the Mind, Peter Schrag, Mind Control. So all these books are pretty good. I've read several of these, but they're pretty. Not all of them, but they're pretty good introductions to the notion of mind control. And when it comes to the issue of mpd and did multiple Personality or Disassociative Identity Disorder.
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Jay Dyer
This is supposed to be debated, but
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Narrator/Interviewer
the consensus of a lot of the supposed academic literature is that it's not. It's not faked. Dr. Deirdre Barrett, writing in 2001 for Psychology Today, noted that they are not faking it. There are other references. The dsmv still. I've cited this in articles as well. Not that this proves anything per se, but it's interesting that you have these. These establishment papers that still cited as legitimate as a real thing. The DSMV citing Esther Brooks's famous hypnosis article. And it's still in the footnotes, last time I checked, a year or two ago. So still referenced. And Dr. Colin Ross, you've probably heard him in various podcast talks, interviews.
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Jay Dyer
I've heard him on several different psychiatry
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Narrator/Interviewer
and psychology podcasts, which I listen to quite a few of those here and there in my spare time. So this is not a subject that is completely new to me. I've also read other books just strictly from the psychiatry psychological standpoint. Switching Time by Bayer. We mentioned that in the interview that I did with Greg Kralwood at Higherside Chats. So there's a lot of literature out there that you can find that tends to back this up. And so that's part of the thesis that Dave's gonna work for him. And I would agree. I think that there's. I think it's real. And there's other books, too, that will deal with it, maybe from a more conspiratorial perspective. I've got some more poppy books in my library that touch on Mind Control and MKUltra, but they're really kind of referencing the. The founding text that we've already mentioned. So, you know, as we noted from John Marks's book, there's not really. We don't know everything about what happened in MK Ultra. And supposedly Helms or one of the,
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Jay Dyer
you know, CIA guys destroyed seven boxes
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Narrator/Interviewer
and somebody only got a hold of seven boxes that weren't destroyed and all this kind of stuff. Who knows what's true in regard to that? But I think we can kind of trace out general ideas. And, you know, some of the documents are online. I've looked through some of those. Again, it's hard to tell, you know, what you're Looking at. But Freud apparently was aware of this idea of ritual abuse and sexual. Ritual abuse. He may have been involved in it, I don't know, but it's at least mentioned in Freud's work. And so again, you've got these mad scientists, basically, is what I argued in the John Marks talk. Who knows what you know, they're going to be doing anything and everything just because they are wicked dudes. There's a quote from Probe magazine, which I've never heard of, but Dave cites this as a woman, Arlene Tyler, and she's writing about MK Ultra. And she says in the 50s, the CIA was also looking for specially gifted subjects to study their dissociative states. So I'm guessing this means gifted children, although I'm not 100% sure. This could be induced and controlled through hypnosis and drugs. It reminds me of that Netflix series, the oa. Remember that?
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Jay Dyer
The oa, if you saw that, which
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Narrator/Interviewer
was really good until that stupid ending, I was really hooked on that show. I was like, man, this is. I've never seen anything like this. And then it just turned into Glee or something. It's like Glee meets Sandy Hook at the end. If you saw that, if you didn't see it, I can't say that I recommend it just because it was such a stupid ending. But if you. If you are into endings, then you'll enjoy. If you're really into the first three
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Jay Dyer
fourths of shows, you'll like that show.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Now. Blackmail, orgies, Eyes Wide Shut stuff, Mark Dutroux affair, that all comes up. We've talked about that many times. That's why I did, you know, my analysis of Eyes Wide Shut, which is in my book, the first chapter, actually. And it's interesting that Dave mentions the many times, in many instances, many cases
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Jay Dyer
where
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Narrator/Interviewer
you have connection between the timing of events and various occult calendars. So Dave notes that I think there's something to that. And he mentions some cults here at the beginning where the Belgian elite and Elite Roman Catholics in Belgium. Belgium, yeah, we know that. We talked about that many times as well. In relation again to the Dutroux affair and the character of Michael Nahul, who was one of these guys who would, I guess, grab girls and supplied these girls for the elite. And there was like this pedo cult and the guy who takes the fall is Dutroux. If I recall right, he's the. The guy who's supposed to be in charge of all this, but then, you know, like the whole city of Belgium or
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Jay Dyer
there's like A huge march at the Capitol because it's.
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Narrator/Interviewer
People are so outraged over this, and it was so widespread, and so something like a million people marched because this was all covered up. And then he talks about pedophile cults in Scotland, in Portugal, there was a big TV guy called Mr. TV, I guess, in Portugal, and he was involved in this giant pedophile cult. And there was this snuff films, interestingly, we've mentioned that in some cases being covered. Now, Snopes tells you that there's no such thing. So that's supposed to be, I guess, the definitive word on whether or not snuff films exist. But. Yeah, I mean, come on, there people have cameras and there are evil people. Why wouldn't they exist? Right? And what is this that we hear about on the Internet? Rule 34, that if you can think of it, there's some kind of weird porn version, right? Whatever you can think of, there's. There's some weirdo that's into the porn version of that. Anyway, Dave mentions Lewis Carroll. We've talked about Lewis Carroll as well, in his pedophilia. And it's how it kind of seems to be affiliated with Alice in Wonderland in some way. Although I guess it's not 100% certain. But you could argue maybe that, you know, Alice tumbling down the rabbit hole and all of her experience, her trippy experiences. I mean, maybe Lewis Carroll was drugging girls or something and, you know, this is how he got the idea for this. Right? So the dissociative states and young girls being traumatized. And maybe this is part of the meaning of Wonderland. Right? And the weird connections with Disney. This becomes sort of the motif of Disney. Right. You know, it's hard to demonstrate. I only found one instance where the. In John Marks book, there was a direct connection between Alice in Wonderland and MK Ultra. And it was you and Cameron had been doing experiments on a certain woman. I don't remember her name, but she was in.
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Narrator/Interviewer
all these weird things and psychic driving and Torturing and electroshock and playing these tapes and I guess, movies, we don't really know. But he was probably strapping her down and making her watch like, Alice in
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Jay Dyer
Wonderland or something, I don't know.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Or maybe playing it on Alice Wonderland on tape and seeing what that would do. And. But she. She seems to think that this woman that he was, you know, dosing up with LSD and he's doing all this. Dude, she thought that she was Alice in Wonderland. So that is the one instance I could find that connects Alice in Wonderland directly to the actual programs of MK Ultra. But I suppose the allegory, maybe it's kind of like a wink, wink thing amongst sickos that. Oh, yeah, that's about, you know, Lewis Carroll's into young girls and that's what Alice in Wonderland's about. But I'm not sure. I don't know. But one of the theses that Dave lays out is that, as we said, there are unsolved murders. And a lot of these unsolved murders could be tacked on to a supposed serial killer, right? Now, that's not to say that the serial killers aren't serial killers, but rather that they may have killed a few people and then it's added on to their hit count, right? All these other names of people that they supposedly killed. Right. Or that the police department couldn't make sense of, or, you know, old. Old cases that were unsolved. So then he moves on to talk about instances of pedo cults. And this is very prescient because of all the stuff that has come out in the news in the last, well, 13 years since Dave published this book, we've seen so many instances of this. He mentions the McMartin preschool case, which, if you've seen Ted Gunderson's lecture, which has been going around the Internet for, I don't know, probably 20 years, since the beginning of the Internet, but I don't know. But Dave argues that, you know, there's a lot of questions in the McMartin case that were never answered. So we could. We. There were tunnels under the school, right? So, you know, that was not a mythology. Right. But I guess it's not definitive. And depending on what you think of Ted Gunderson and his talk, you know, who knows? But Dave seems to think that there's oddities in that case that leave it still open for question. And then he moves on to talk about other instances of drugging and capturing and drugging children. This reminded me of. And this is a character named Frank Fuster, Frank. And this is just like the movie Prisoners. Now, I'm not positive, but whoever made the movie Prisoners with Jake Gyllenhaal and. Wolverine, whatever, I've gone blank. Oh, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. I know who it is, but my mind is on Frank Fuster at the moment, which is a ridiculous name, but Frank would go into a trance and he would steal kids and just a total sicko. But what was interesting is that he would use Gatorade, urine and drugs. This is how he would drug his victims. And of course he touched them and molested them and all this kind of stuff. And that is one of these cases where. Yeah, he says a catatonic trance. Interesting. And I guess he was connected to working at Disney or something like that. This is. Dave says, even so, justice was not necessarily served, blah, blah, blah. Not even the Santeria priest who attended the trial with Fuster's mother and uncle had the power to save him. And Arvida, which is to say the Walt Disney Co. Paid $6 million to seven of his victims. So he was one of these weird pedo guys. Then Dave goes on to talk about routes of trafficking and how this might be connected to moving contraband via people or whatever. And he talks about. I think. Yeah, he mentions Air America and a lot. I assumed everyone had seen this, but I guess not, because I mentioned. And people. People don't know what I'm talking about. But there's a movie about the CIA airline, Air America. It's got Mel Gibson and Robert Downey Jr.
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Jay Dyer
In it.
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Narrator/Interviewer
So I assumed everybody had seen that, but I guess not. So go watch Air America if you want to see, like, here's Total Revelation, the method. Oh, yeah, this CIA, you know, traffics drugs in this private CIA airline. And it's called Air America. And everybody knows this. There's a haha. Hilarious comedy about it.
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Jay Dyer
It's like, what.
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You know, people. I don't know, it's just. It's crazy. The world that we live in is so crazy. And you can have the. All these movies made about all this stuff. Movies made about the serial killers too, right? I mean, again, prisoners. And I'm gonna. I listed a bunch of movies that came to mind because I was thinking about comparing the Hollywood presentations with what Dave talks about. And I don't know, it's just. So this is just such a bizarre genre, such a weird thing that serial killers pops up all of a sudden. But we're gonna see why that is as we get into Dave's Book. So he moves on to talk about some other creeper instances of. Mind control facilities. This is something I've wondered about too is these locations for where these programming and so you know such might go down. And I've wondered about this and you know Dave lists a lot of locales and places and potential things, locations observed. London, Germany, Bahamas, Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Africa, Costa Rica, Europe, Pallets. There are areas in Palestine under various project names. And this is connected to the finders case. The finders case is this idea of where they were trafficking kids that were being kidnapped. And this was under a CIA's proprietary firm. That was. That was. Or excuse me, Air America is the proprietary firm, the proprietary airline. And the finders were supposed to be looking for lost children. Well it doesn't look like they were looking for them. It looks like they were selling them because they had apparently machines, cash machines set up for wired transfers, you know, across across continents and countries. And this ties into Craig Spence and Larry King and the now famous Franklin cover up. So. If you have read the Franklin cover up book then you know all about that. And I'm sure most people have probably seen the Discovery Channel documentary that has also been floating around the Internet for 20 years, you know, about Franklin cover ups. So we won't rehearse all that. But the next character is Henry Lee Lucas. And what's interesting about the Henry Lee Lucas case is the connection to a mysterious culture. So Henry claims. Now again we don't know if this is true. This is in Henry's. Whoever the biographer was. And I went and looked up the link to check it and it actually it's, it is there. And he does say it in the, whatever the authorized biography of Henry Lee Lucas is or his main biographer. It's called Hand of Death, the Henry Lee Lucas Story. And Hand of Death is the name of the cult that he claims he was controlled by or a part of and it supposedly has connections to Texas Rangers. I don't know if that's true. I'm just saying that this is what Henry Lucas claimed. Now again it's hard to prove these things or know these things because they are coming from crazy dudes. Right? So now it doesn't mean that it's false just because it comes from a crazy dude. Right. But it, it's just again dubious and hard to know. So you know, who knows. But there are all these oddities that come up like why does this crazy dude get pardoned by W. But Debbie almost pardon. Pardon. Henry Lee Lucas, a good man. He's a good man. The mustard gaseous terrorists, right? Now why would you pardon this guy if you're w. Right? I mean, I don't know, that's bizarre. But, you know, Henry claims that he was part of a cult that had connections, interestingly, to a ranch Mexico, near Juarez. Now I've been in a few arguments lately with people about Juarez because last summer I drove to California and on the way we stopped in El Paso. Now El Paso is on the border of Juarez. And the reason this became interesting to me initially was because of the movie Sicario. And if you watch Sicario, you'll see Emily Blunt get duped by the CIA guy, played by. I just. I'm going blank on my actors today. Goonies. I'm usually like spot on with my actors, but I don't know, I've been reading and talking all day. Josh Brolin is the CIA dude who dupes Emily Blunt. If you haven't seen Sicorio, go watch that. That's relevant to this because you've got your contract killers, your hitmen, and that
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as well played by
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Benicio del Toro. So the Mexican death cult of MS.13, which I've talked about and looked into the religious worship of Santa Muerte and the. These gangs, I think that's all real. And you have these long standing stories of the disappearing women. So in Juarez, all these women disappear and oh, wonder what's going on. Nobody can figure it out. Well, they're being put into human trafficking. Obviously. It's obvious what's going on. Come on. So Dave wrote about this a long time ago. And then so I went and looked and there's all these articles and videos and documentaries that you can find on the cartels of Juarez and the Sinaloa and all these different areas down there. And what car, what cartel control controls what region and on and on and on. And when I was driving through there, I was looking actually at the government alert page, just out of curiosity. And they tell you, don't go here, you can go here. This one's okay. Oh, don't go over here. Not saying the government's necessarily reliable, but I'm saying that I don't think that's fake.
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I mean, you know, there, there are
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cartels that control these places. And when you go to El Paso, you can stand on the El Paso side and you can look over. Which we did. I took pictures. And Juarez is just this long, never ending, infinite plane up the hill, up this mountain with riding on it, right? Something about, I guess it says like Jesus and Juarez or something, I can't remember. But it's just all these like shanties, right? Very sad. I'm not trying to be
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cruel or
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dismissive or harsh or insensitive, but it's. It's just really bad, bad news. It's a lot of poverty and it's obvious. So the people that trying to argue with me that it's not a shithole, they're just full of it. I've seen it. Don't pull your liberal crap with me because I went and saw it with my own eyes. I've been to Mexico too, by the way. I've been to Tijuana and so anyway, but what's interesting is that we start to get a picture if you go read even liberal magazines. What's as funny as I went to all the liberal publications, like all of the pro open border ones, like I was reading the Atlantic and the, you know, and their history, because I was, I was curious because I wanted to see what the leftists and the feminists would say about missing women in Juarez. Ooh, that's a bit of a conundrum for the leftist feminists because you don't want to be racist against the Hispanic and I guess the, the noble cartel people, right? Nobody racist if you say that there are cartels. But you also don't want to ignore the plight of trafficked women. So that's kind of a tough one. So the. I think it was the Atlantic article that I read pretty long one about the missing women. Well, it just says, oh yeah, this is all true. There's always missing women. And in the 90s or somewhere in that period, it was the most missing women in the world and all this stuff. And we got to do something about this and why there's no government to do anything, because nafta, now I think that's all true. NAFTA is private corporate sweatshops that are put down there on purpose. And so, you know, the cops down there, like bought off, right, by all the cartels. So I think that's how all this works. If you want to be liberal and debate me on that and you think that There is no MS.13 and there's no Santa Muerte and well, you know, all these documentaries are on YouTube. They're not all fake, you know. Have you been to Mexico? I have. Right. So there's good and bad areas and if you don't think there's bad areas, then you're just lying
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now.
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So. But it. But was Henry, Henry Lee Lucas raised in a hand of the devil death cult. I don't know. We don't know. But that is what he says. And there's a. I forget the exact number, but there's a really high death count, right? And
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he,
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it's hard to see that he was really behind all this. So David goes on to say, well, Henry is probably a portrait of the MK Ultra type assassin that we're talking about who could be used for multiple reasons. And so there's this Office of Naval Intelligence ONI connection. And the argument is that the ONI and NATO were interested in finding prisoners and psychos. And so this is how we get the connection to the Phoenix program, which is this idea out of Vietnam where William Colby said, oh, in order to defeat all the commies in the Kong Viet Cong, we've got to train ruthless psychopaths, right? So this is where you get the idea, you know, like in Full Metal Jacket, right? This is the same idea there where the big goofy kind of retarded dude at the beginning just goes nuts because
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he just goes psycho, right?
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And that's.
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This is also.
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This is basically Apocalypse Now. This is Martin Sheen going crazy on acid, right? So that's kind of. So that's, that's what the Phoenix program is. There you go. Apocalypse Now Now. So there's all these CIA scoundrels, Dan Metrion and these characters that are connected to this Phoenix program into William Colby.
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And
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the thesis here is that, oh, well, it looks like these are probably some of the guys who either came back from Vietnam and were traumatized and psychopaths or, you know, they were profiled beforehand and put into Vietnam to become the program psychopath. And by the way, if you go watch Full Metal Jacket, the Kubrick film, you'll notice the, the William Baldwin. Baldwin, whatever, the Baldwin guy in it, I forget his name, but he, he's
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the,
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the psycho, right? And you have Joker, the main character who after the, the first scene, after the first act, when the big goofy retarded dude commits suicide, it moves into the Vietnam section of the story. And then Joker meets the, the Baldwin character, Adam Baldwin. Excuse me, Adam Baldwin and the actor. And Adam Baldwin is just total, total psycho, man. Like, he's like, he just loves the kill count. He loves all the different ways to kill people. And then when at the climax of the film, if you recall, it's this little 13, 14 year old Viet Cong girl and she's the one who's like secretly shooting them from, from a building, top right. And so they sneak into the building, they get up to the top. And Joker shoots her, but she's not dead. And so it's Joker and Adam Baldwin and the rest of the team are standing up there and they don't know what to do. And Adam Baldwin's like, just kill her. You know, he has absolutely no remorse killing this little kid. And Joker doesn't want to, but finally
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he just goes with it.
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And, you know, he's obviously very troubled in having to do this, which any normal person would be having to kill a 13 year old. But this for the Baldwin guy, whatever his character's name is, he loves it. He's that 1%, that's the psychopath. And that's what Dave's getting at is that these kind of people were profiled. And isn't that interesting that that's kind of what, again, Kubrick appears to be telling us in so many ways, he's told us so many things. And this is where we move into Berkowitz and the connections to other cults. The Satanic Family is what Berkowitz claims, that he was connected to this larger satanic network. Satanic Family. This is where Maury Terry's book Ultimate Evil has the thesis that Manson and Berkovitz and some of these other guys, Lucas, Henry Lee Lucas, that they appear to have been part of a larger national or international network of cults that were run by a super cult or just run by military intelligence. Right. And could therefore be used for assassinations, for hits, for whatever, kidnapping and so forth. Then he talks about the monster. This is one I'd never heard of, the Monster of Florence. And I've read, you know, several books, probably ten books on occult crimes and so forth. I'd never heard of the Monster of Florence. And this is a dude in a circle of elite guys and maybe women too, in Italy in the period of the 70s and 80s, in 2002. I've been maybe into the 2000s. 2002, the monster of Florence was in the news again. Yeah, Satanic rights. According to the Sunday Herald, Eyes Wide Shut parties. This is page 84 in Dave's book. The police are involved. There's orgies, they've got cameras, they've got torture racks. They are blackmailing people. That what was going on. So this is the upper level Italian, Italian elites. So we're starting to see patterns here. This is going on like everywhere, like all the countries. These elites are into just the grossest stuff. And then you realize, oh, a big part of it is blackmailing people. Right? This is what you do. You get photographic evidence, you've got film evidence of, of these people doing outrageous stuff and then you can control them that way. Now that also makes me think of. And I haven't. I've looked into this a little bit, but I haven't done a whole lot of research. But it's supposed to be partly true. This story that is the Guy Ritchie movie Bank Job, if you remember, if you haven't seen that, I recommend it. Not. You know, I don't usually. I'm not a big fan of Jason. I don't have any problem with Jason Statham. It's just I'm not really into like the standard action movies. But Bank Job is a really good Jason Statham movie. Killer Elite's really good too, by the way. But in Bank Job, if you recall, I'm not going to spoil the end
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for you, but
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MI6 hires like the best bank thieves on the down low and they hire them to steal blackmail evidence of one of the nobility or the royal princess or something like that. I think some. Somebody royal who was doing some nasty orgy stuff. And I wouldn't be surprised if that. And true. And one of the guys who had the blackmail was one of these like not Michael, not Malcolm X, but I think they call him Micah X or something. Ridiculous. Not Micah X, that's the guy. That was the guy who killed people supposedly in Denver. One of these X guys, like, like a black rights, black nationalist guy, so and so X who by the way was a real guy, I think. I can't remember who it's based on. But anyway, go watch Bang Jobs. It's a pretty good movie. So chapter nine, we go to Rancho Diablo, which is more on the Henry Lucas thing because Henry Lee Lucas talked about the connections to satanic cult in Juarez which presumably would tie into Ms. 13 and the Santa Muerte. And in chapter nine, Dave talks about a different cult which I had heard of, but I didn't know much about this. So this was also new to me. Around 1989 you had the Matamoroscope cult and they were just south of Brownsville, Texas. And Henry Lee Lucas had a spiritual adviser from the Matamoros cult. Unbelievable. Clemmy Schroeder identified as Henry's spiritual adviser. And I guess she had some connection
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to
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the Matamoros cult.
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But
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Henry's partner Otis Toole claimed that it was not the specific ranch, not the same one, but that there were interconnected operations all along the Texas Mexico border. Now that's crazy. Anyway, so the Matamoros cult was Headed by. Connected to. Okay, connected to a drug baron named Elio Hernandez Rivera. And obviously of course they bought off cops. Some of them were into. It's like a witchcraft cult, just really crazy stuff stuff. And they were first exposed in 1989 for a series of brutal murders that included beheadings. And Dave says that they were involved in not just murder, but also drug trafficking. And the pipeline went from Matamoros from the Matamoros cult south of Brownsville to the mob in Chicago. Interesting. The. Let's see. Who's the guy in this? The high priestess Sarah Aldrete displayed what was described as split personality. She clearly had a dual personality. Like many of the other occultists Aldrete had married on Halloween 1983. She had links to the Hernandez drug family, blah, blah, blah. The Matamoros cult was part of a massive hemisphere wide drug trafficking network that went all the way from Roswell, Texas to top Chicago mafia. I did not know any of that. That was all new to me. So then he talks about NAFTA and the missing women in Juarez, as I mentioned. And the reason for NAFTA and Mexico was so that there would be sweatshops.
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Tax free sweatshops.
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Right. Free market, isn't it? Libertarian. So there's deep state connections, of course to these cults. One guy named Dracula, one cult guy led by Jesus Guardado Marquez, known as El Dracula. And Dave notes of course, which should be obvious, that these Mexican cults and the drug trafficking appeared to have been tied to the then president of Mexico. Not surprising. So there's a tie in between the narco cults and Satanism. That is interesting. And I've wondered about that. Why do you see this weird connection between MS.13 and these Santeria cults and you know, Santa Muerte with. And I guess it's just because cults, obviously, you know, it's a. It's a natural affinity between the. The realm of mind control and MK Ultra sex slaves. I mean this is like, I guess should be obvious why those two worlds are connected. There's also, if you. This Chapter two. I'm not sure. I don't want to recommend this movie, but it reminds me of the Nicholas Cage movie 8 millimeter, which I don't guess it's any worse than Videodrome. If you've seen David Cronenberg's video Drum, it's kind of the same. Same idea, but a lot more weird than the Nicholas Cage movie. But what Dave talks about in chapter nine with. With some of the usage of military base and different Ranches and filming stuff and human trafficking and it's just awful stuff. But. But I mean, that Nicholas Cage may be so ridiculous that it's like, I don't know, the silliness of Nicolas Cage, the entertaining aspects of Nicolas Cage sort of dull, the soften the blow of the. Harshness of the topic, I guess you could say. Whereas, I guess if you watch Videodrome, it's just weird. I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad movie. It's illustrative. But the only reason I haven't done an analysis yet, a Videodrome is because I'm not. I mean, I own it. I have the DVD, seen it probably 5 times. I'm still not 100% sure I know what David Cronenberg is trying to say in that movie. We definitely live in the Videodrome. I know that much, but I don't know what he's talking about. Anyway, Lucas's cases don't fit his profile. And this is an interesting point that comes up in a lot of the serial killer stuff here that Dave says might suggest involved more killers. And this is the. The idea of totally different styles of murder, like bludgeoning and then beheading and then strangling. And so when it's this sort of randomness, yeah, it could be that the killer was just, you know, super crafty and trying to outsmart the cops, but it also could be that these are just different people, different murders, different cults, different groups, or all of them working together. So another interesting fact is the California, Texas, Florida connection. Why is it so many of these serial killers are drawn to live in, grow up, or end up in terror or terrorize these three states now? I mean, obviously other states come up in different cases, but these really seem to be a hotbed. And Dave says, well, it's because these are areas of trafficking out of Mexico. And that makes sense. The new terror fear begins. This is interesting, he says, with Charles Whitman. And this is the guy who, you know, climbs up in the tower at University of Texas, and he starts sniping people. Now, this guy, too, was like a former intelligence dude. The Texas Sniper Naval Enlisted Science Education Program. NESEP was an intelligence entity. And from there, he came back, went up the tower at the University of Texas, Austin, and just started sniping.
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And
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I forget what his body count is.23 or 30.
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Jay Dyer
And
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this kind of spawns. The idea that you're not safe anywhere. You know what I mean? That any. Anywhere you go out in town, travel, I mean, there's just serial killers under every rock there's a serial killer and you know, waiting to snipe you from, from atop every tower right now. That's not true. But the public began to get this impression and so you kind of get the thesis, well, maybe there's more going on. Maybe, you know, Dave's proposing the possibilities. He said in many later interviews that, you know, the serial killer thing didn't just serve the purposes of contract killings or professional hits or whatever, but it also might have served a longer, larger social engineering dynamic that would result in atomization and alienation, people not letting their kids go out and play and this kind of stuff. And then from there, you know, it kind of, they just die away. Like we don't. Where are all the serial killers? Last one I can even think of hearing about. And that's excluding, you know, the normal murders in the news or whatever. But the BTK killer, right? Remember the BTK killer when he had some previous military intelligence pedigree. That was when was BTK, you know what I mean? Like that's early mid 2000s. So we've had like one serial killer since Dahmer, I guess, like who was the last famous serial killer that everybody heard of. We're not going to Count O.J. here. I don't think he counts. But you know, popular so called serial
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killers, as this so called profile goes,
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which Dave says is also kind of bogus. There's not really a profile. That's kind of a Hollywood thing. But isn't it interesting? This is what everybody sees, you know, is again through the lens of Hollywood. Now he talked about this many times. Hollywood has given us the understanding of terror and the terrorists, right? Not facts, not actual real world debates and discussions and statistics of, you know,
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how likely you are to be killed
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by terrorists, which is less likely than a bee sting. And the same with serial killers, right? I mean, if you watch movies, which
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obviously I have and you have, you know, if we were to just take the movie world at face value, you
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would think half of the population are terrorists and serial killers. They're just everywhere. This is just simply not true. You know what I mean? Like there's, it's. Let's just assume that everything we're told about a Jeffrey Dahmer, okay, let's just assume that that's real. Well, there's only one Jeffrey Dahmer in what, a decade, right? But when the media props this stuff up, and I think John, John Adams has talked about this, this, this idea that the media can create the impression that something is everywhere And a lot more prevalent than it actually is. And that's a very powerful tool of social engineering is that, you know, the media has this ability to give us the impression that there's all these terrorists, there's all these killers everywhere. It's just madness and mayhem everywhere. That's just not true. Right. Like the most crime ridden cities, you know, like Chicago or Memphis or Houston, you know, they have, if you look up the stats, they're not, it's not murders every night. You know, maybe in Chicago there's a murder every night. You know, what do they have, like 3, 4, 500 murders a year? That's a lot of murders. But I'm saying, you know, it's not like if I drive one hour in any direction from where I live, for example, there's, there might be one murder a year, you know, within a, I don't know, hundred mile span of where I live. So, you know, it's really confined to certain areas that this kind of stuff happens. And it's gang and drug stuff and then sometimes there's the psycho, sometimes there's the guy that loses it, sometimes there's the cult, this kind of stuff. But this stuff is not, it's not every day. So we can't let the media impress upon us unrealistic dangers. But that's really what they're there for. The real terrorists are the media, I've said for a long time. So then he goes on to talk about the alteration in culture with Anton lavey and how Anton lavey had, you know, this kind of intelligence type connections. And, you know, this is really touched on. Well, it's dealt with in more detail in the other book, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon where he focuses on the intelligence propping up and support for the Laurel Canyon scene, which was the real birthplace of the hippie movement according to today McGowan. And we get some of the repeated stuff that was new, you know, when this book came out, 2004 to readers probably, but to us, we all know about L. Ron Hubbard and we all know about Crowley and Hubbard, you know, being part of the, part of Scientology or, excuse me, part of the oto and Crowley's group before he went into starting his own cult. So we're not going to rehearse all that, but there's these really weird connections between what with the issue of the Zodiac. And Dave's idea is that probably multiple people in the case of the zodiac. And these were done on explicitly on, you know, cult calendar holidays like Lamas and Walpurgis Night. And all this stuff. But the codes appear to have had an actual cryptographic reference that would have been known to people probably in the office of Naval Intelligence. So that would suggest some kind of militarized former military, you know, contract killers, this kind of thing. And citywide homicides reached 29 in four days, I believe, under the Zodiac. And Zodiac, interestingly, gets immediately tied up with Hollywood. Roman Polanski decides that he's going to do his own investigation of the Zodiac killing. And he hires psychic Peter Hercos. This is crazy. I'd never heard this. And the events were held. Hercos was involved in organizing a black arts Festival, Halloween 1969, with Timothy, Larry and Anton Lavey. That's a new one to me. Anyway, so Dave argues that the military boot that was supposed to be part of the evidence of who the Zodiac guy was was issued to naval soldier personnel. So that would suggest again, military related hits, which. That makes sense. I mean, There was a call in show where supposedly the Zodiac called in. But who knows? I mean, this could just be. People were just making this stuff. I think even that movie with Robert Downey Jr. And Jake Gyllenhaal, if you were, and Mark Ruffalo, if you remember this, which pretty good movie if you watch Zodiac when it really gets popular. There was, you know, people were like, people were just saying that they knew
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who the Zodiac was. Like all these people.
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So this guy would probably just wanted ratings, you know, like, like, oh, the Zodiac's gonna call in. He wrote a letter to our TV show. Yeah, right. Santa Cruz starts having a lot of deaths. And this is supposed to be connected to. This is the 70s, late 60s, early 70s, connected to Zodiac. And what's interesting about this is that Santa Cruz. So they were finding a lot of dead animals too. So there's this explosion of Satanism and occultism and ritual sacrifice. And here's a new detail. The notion of the Age of Aquarius was popularized by San Francisco groups like the Diggers, who occupied the aforementioned Devil House, and by publications like San Francisco's Oracle. No one played a greater role in popularizing the Age of Aquarius than the Oracle magazine's Gavin Arthur. Interestingly, Arthur's full name was Chester Allen Arthur, and he was the great grandson of President Chester Arthur. He predicted supposedly JFK's assassination before he was even elected. However, some attribute this to clairvoyant of clairvoyance, while it is much more likely that he had foreknowledge. Interesting. Yes. Just like there was a movie called Manchurian Candidate where a Mind Control Patsy attempts to assassinate presidential candidate before JFK was assassinated. Yes, go watch John Frankenheimer's mentoring candidate. So let's see here. Moving on to the next section.
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Married after all, despite all the talk about the 80 year old Manson preparing to marry a 27 year old woman. And I know you've been following this case. Manson has now said that he will allow the couple's marriage license to expire. Why? Because it turns out that the woman who was preparing to marry Manson wanted to place his remains once Manson dies in a glass crypt and sell tickets for people to view it. See, you knew there was a reason a 27 year old was marrying him. Apparently Manson doesn't like that idea and so he's pulling lean back, letting that license expire. The New York Post also reports that Manson is angry at the idea because he believes he is immortal. No, I, I just added this in because it's so ridiculous and I couldn't help it given that we're talking about serial killers. And we're gonna finish up here with the rest of Dave's analysis and then I'll give my analysis. But I did a video a few months ago, one of the first videos that I started doing consistently and I talked about Manson and the hype of race war and all this kind of stuff. And if you watch that video, if you go back and it's about 30, 40 minutes, you'll see that there's there, there's a clip in there where Manson goes on and on about global warming and climate change. So, you know, this guy is obviously some kind of total tool. I mean, he's not even coherent enough to do anything other than, I guess, pare it back, whatever. I mean the guy's just totally insane, obviously. But the thesis of course of Dave McGowan and others is that these guys were used and they've been used by larger networks and so forth. And that as Dave thinks there may be, instead of Mafia the way we used to think of various crime families and, and so forth, that now it's kind of been replaced by this satanic network of cultists. And it's not so much these big crime families that we, you know, the Godfather and this kind of, it's still the mafia model, but it's just a different kind of face that's being used. Now we mentioned Henry Lee Lucas and we mentioned. Now there's also the case of,
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well,
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Jay Dyer
you mentioned Zodiac and the oddities there. There's also the case of Arlis Perry and Arlis Perry was the Young girl who was murdered at college. And she had Masonic imagery drawn upon her body, carved into her, the square encompass. And she, her legs were put into a square encompass formation. And yeah, I think a candle had been inserted into her vagina. Yeah, from the altar. And this happened that this murder was done on a church grounds, inside the chapel at Stanford Memorial Church at Stanford University. So assuming that this story is true, then this would be another case of ritual murder. There's a cult compound that the Mansons had. And Dave spends a whole lengthy chapter on Manson and all the weird Hollywood people hanging out with Manson and connections to the Esalen Institute, which we've talked about many times with where in Monterey you have this big New Age UN type cult compound that was connected to Timothy Leary and Aldous Huxley and all these characters in that they also ran a Himalayan academy that had direct ties to Charles Manson as well. So what's funny about the Manson thing is that he doesn't fit the serial killer profile because he didn't actually kill anybody. So the story, the mainstream story we're supposed to accept is that Manson brainwashed, you know, these followers, these groupies, and he was into this apocalyptic, you know, process church stuff. Basically, we're just going to cut through all the bullshit and say that. That this was all run by something even bigger is the main point. Some bigger cult, again, just like Berkowitz and others. And this is why we have these kind of handler characters like Timothy Leary, these popularizers who are going around promoting the lsd. And Dave dives into that with the character of Owlsley, another one of these creators and promoters of lsd in weird scenes inside Laurel Canyon. He goes into a lot of depth there. And how many of these people were all connected to the CIA? So a lot of these were drug hits. And we have the Eyes Wide Shut style parties with the Manson crew as well. I think Dennis Hopper mentioned this going on. Dave discusses this on pages 142 and 43. And that bears out other writers who've written on this. Peter Lavenda and Sinister Forces trilogy discusses the same claims, the same topics. And so really what we have with Manson is a character who, I think, as we said, what military and prison. The giant prison complex is also tied into military complex, and that's also tied into the psychiatric complex. And what happens is that these characters are profiled and spotted and then used for different purposes. Maybe a contract killing, as we said, maybe to kidnap kids or people for human trafficking. And what we see pretty consistently is that we can raise questions about a lot of the psychiatric institutions and rehab centers as possible programming locales. And that's even come up in pop fiction. If you watched True Detective season two, that seems to hint at the Esalen Institute as well as Thomas Pynchon's Inherent vice with the film version as well with Joaquin Phoenix. You know, both of these seem to show this high level mind control type stuff and these shadowy CIA type figures in the background. So we always see these contradictions pop up. And this is what is noted here by Dave on page 145. He says it defies explanation that men such as Manson or Jim Jones or David Koresh have all stumbled upon the secret of brainwashing and mind controlling their followers. But the CIA does not have this ability. So the mainstream story is a flat out contradiction because they always say that these cult leaders and serial killers and whoever, that they have all these powers of mind control and brainwashing. But at the same time, the establishment says that the CIA was never successful and did not really perfect these mind control brainwashing programs. So again, obviously that's a bunch of baloney. So 24 people were killed in this, the 1970s by, we're told, by insane asylum people that had been released from the Vacaville facility. Now why would they release all these nutcases from Vacaville? Well, probably as part of this larger American domestic version of the Phoenix program. And what he talks about in the last sections of the book is that the thesis is that the psychological warfare pattern that was tested in Vietnam on the Viet Cong, the whole point of it was just to scare the crap out of the Viet Cong and make them lose morale and break their will. And that is exactly what makes perfect sense in terms of understanding that program in terms of the US in terms of American domestic experience over this several decades of what is supposed to be the. All the serial killers everywhere. So we get more characters like Herb Mullen. This is a guy who apparently went into. Had multiple personalities and he went into the Marines and was going to be a killer. And he went into this kind of a assassination type program. And this is reminiscent of Full Metal Jacket, this guy. And apparently he went to some locale in Maui, Hawaii, which is reported to be one of these facilities where they train assassins. And if this sounds too far fetched, remember in the 80s and prior to that we had the whole story of the Latin American death squads, right, where the CIA set up these training camps for death squads which would by extension also be connected to the Phoenix program, right? This this idea of training professional assassins and basically psychos who, because they're psychos, lose their mind eventually, right? So now you might say, well, but I thought you said that there were. No, there was, there weren't program assessments. Now that's some people's view. That's not my view. What I always said was that there are both. They, they did all these programs and they ran all these tests during these periods, right from the 40s and the 50s, 60s. And this includes all the psychiatric stuff, all the hypnosis, all the drug testing, basically what we call MK Ultra. All of that was done and it eventually morphs into electronic implants and biowarfare. Darpa, Right. This is the last chapter of John Marx's book. So that's all an outworking of that. And it's really just controlling the human domain. We remember this program that was mentioned in connection to Jade Helm a couple of years ago. Really, that's the same idea of what MKULTRA was about. The totality of human experience, which is not just the individual psyche, but also the collective sociology, collective psyche as well. So the argument then would be that what happens is when you study the individual cases of these different characters, these different psychos and how to entrain them and de pattern them and then reprogram and so forth, the stuff that Ewan Cameron was doing that leads to various ideas of what you could do to the mass psyche. And that's the role that mass media plays. And so that's my view of it. My view of it is that they did all these situations with actual guys and actual people and hence Doug Valentine's book Phoenix Program. And then. Or in the Latin American death squads and all this kind of stuff. And then they. What was more useful then, you know, just a contract killer or some crazed guy that you could get to kidnap people or whatever they. Because that's a million, you know, millions of millions of dollars involved in organ harvesting and human trafficking.
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Right.
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Jay Dyer
So but all of that data, that information, all the studies that were done could then be used for large scale social engineering. And you say, well, who would be interested in that? Well, think about the Rand Corporation. The Rand Corporation would be interested in taking all that data, collating it and figuring out, well, how could we use this for the so called war on terror? You see, so the same ideas of basically inducing threat and terrorizing the public with Cold War and serial killers and assassins. And by the way, the serial killer stuff actually ties well with the Cold War assassins stuff, stuff.
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And then.
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Jay Dyer
Right, because of Sirhan Sirhan, oh, we're supposed to believe he was this, you know, trained occultist assassin, and he went after RFK and, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald. He's a programmed assassin that the Soviets sent, according to the mainstream story, I'm saying.
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Right.
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Jay Dyer
And so this is.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right.
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Jay Dyer
Well, this is all a lot of baloney, obviously, and I doubt that we'll ever really know the full story of either of those cases. But I can guarantee you that what we're told in the official story is not true. And anyway, so what we're starting to see is the patterns of certain locations, like the Vacaville facility, which appears to be, you know, involved very heavily in this. According to Dave's argument. We're seeing the pattern of a lot of these guys who are very messed up, are into necrophilia, and then they tend to have alternate Personas. They tend to have even perhaps demonic issues. On page 157. Now, it's not all secret DARPA voice to skull technology, which some people would say, who had some people commenting on the introductory video that I made saying, oh, there's.
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This is stupid.
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Jay Dyer
There's no, none of this is real. I don't know what planet you guys are from, but I mean, have you ever been around crazy people? I have. And I'm talking about people who, you know, have had serious psychological problems. I've had them in my family, not me, but family members who have been prescribed serious psychoactive drugs who've been on these for a long time. I've had friends on these who go nuts, try to commit suicide.
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Narrator/Interviewer
These are.
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Jay Dyer
This is not all fake. And if you honestly literally think that it is, I don't know what planet you live on or where you're from. I mean, I've seen people in my family try to kill themselves from these. These kinds of drugs. So I'm just speaking here of like, the psychiatric, you know, antidepressant type stuff. And, you know, in my younger days, when you be around people who are on drugs and partying and whatnot, and you just see people go nuts and something else takes over. And if you think that that's all fake, well, number one, that's. That's a mental problem on your part. It's not all fake. If you think that it's merely something random or chaotic, and you don't think that the establishment has studied this stuff, well, then you're just naive. But, you know, we think of movies that tie into this kind of stuff, which is interesting because Natural Born Killers, you know, Quentin Tarantino Oliver Stone film that actually deals with this notion. It points out the absurdity of how the. The mainstream media actually makes the serial killers into stars. And then that was done on purpose. That was not just ratings and sensationalism, but also, as we said, to really prop up the mythology, the serial killer. Another pattern that Dave notices is what he claims that I'd never heard of this, but he says that there's this idea in training people to be killers or assassins of blooding, and that it's the same idea that pimps use when they break people, when pimps break their hose. Blooding is the idea of traumatizing a person who might be a future assassin early on through some experience of the gruesome.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right.
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Jay Dyer
So maybe they work at a morgue and they're constantly seeing cadavers or they, you know, like the stories that we hear about traumatized youth that they have their dog. You know, maybe they're in a cult and the cult kills their dog in front of them. And this traumatizes them when they're a kid. I think this is true. I know somebody who had something very traumatic happen to them when they were very young. In this case, it was accidental when they were about four. And as a result they have had very serious problems with lack of empathy. And I guess you might consider it like mild psychopathy as a result of a youth traumatization. And I would. I think that it's, you know, the prevailing literature that I've read on this tends to say, oh, well, it's a defense mechanism that the brain enacts. And I think that makes sense. That seems to line up with my experience. But Dave goes back into mentioning some of the guys that we've touched on many times who studied alters and all this stuff with Dr. Estabrooks and his hypnosis work and people that have studied DID and npd. And then he mentions the False Memory Syndrome foundation again as the primary characters who deny ritual abuse. And they are of course connected to the CIA, very shady characters. Colin Ross has a lot of information, information on this that's really good critiquing these characters. He mentions the Simeonese liberation operation as some kind of psyop. Either a CIA psyop research or something kind of a large scale psychological warfare operation that really got the. The SWAT team stuff going. The SLA incident and the Charles Whitmore incident at the University of Texas, if I recall, are the instances he lists as really kicking off the. The call for local police departments to be completely militarized and in some degree federalized and to start having these SWAT teams, then we move on to. And also necrophilia is interesting as a consistent pattern, which is interesting because there's this weird obsession with sex and death that probably is what made these guys profiled at a younger age. And this is really what the whole institutional system, medical system, that all that. It kind of exists to education system, right, to find these kinds of psycho freak weirdos again who can be used. So this goes on with, you know, maybe these guys were sent to. Maybe they're. So they're abused and then they're known for necrophilia or some kind of weird practice like this. And then maybe they're sent to a, an institution to be, you know, counseled or whatever. And then this gets flagged, right? So here, here's a guy, we. We found one. He likes gay sex, he likes killing animals, he likes necrophilia. He could be very useful, right? This kind of idea to the dark
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side of the deep state.
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Jay Dyer
And this brings in the character John Wayne Gacy. And John Wayne Gacy. Is. Was connected to local police. He was like this adjunct cop. And he was using that cop, you know, status to get access, I guess you could say, and cover to the local gay boys and bring them in and, you know, rape them and torture them and kill them. And then what we have is the, the weird instance of him meeting with the. As a Democratic party dude, very well connected apparently in the Chicago area, if I recall. There's a lot of details here. Sometimes it's difficult to recall every one of these details as to, you know, who's and where and what, doing what. But Gacy was a very prominent JC. And so his connections to the JCs, which is one of these local, you know, Rotary Club type things that helped him have cover as well as his connections to the police. And apparently, and this was actually in the movie presentation too, there's a TV movie with Brian Dennehy playing Gacy that is worth watching. It's not a great movie, but it's like four hours long, but kind of roughly follows the arguments that Dave makes. And that shows. What it doesn't show is that Gacy claimed to have an alternate personality named Jack Hanley who would take him over and commit the killings and that there possibly were other police involved and that this is why it was covered up for so long. Right. So it wasn't just. In other words, it might have been a situation where there was a prostitution ring of boys, drugs, and maybe local officials were involved Including Gacy. And so this is why it's covered up. And then anytime there was a threat of somebody ratting or trying to expose it, that would then lead to the murder. You see, that's a possibility. And that's not. It's kind of hinted at in the movie. If you watch the Henry portrait of a killer movie from, I don't know, like 1990 or somewhere in there. And it's, it's. It's hinted at that the higher ups like the police chief and these other guys in, you know, the big city area, they were covering it up or they were trying to squash the investigation of the local police. So interesting connections to investigations done by the private investigator, the famous Hollywood private investigator, Anthony Pellicano. And Pellicano was. I'm trying to remember how he says he was connected to. To Gacy. Following the disappearance of one of Gacy's employees, Greg Godznick. Godzik. Gacy was not questioned by police. Godzik's frustrated parents turned to help to Anthony. Okay, so they went to Anthony Pellicano. Anthony Pellicano never checked out Gacy and later claimed that he had never been given this name. Gods. It was reportedly seen very much alive after his reported abduction, as was one other victim of Gacy, John Czech. And one of the bizarre coincidences that seems to surround many serial killer cases. The Godstick home was burglarized the night before the story of John Wayne Gacy's arrest hit the airwaves. The family of victim Rick Johnson was convinced that Rick was abducted by Sun Young Moon. The Unification Church, an organization heavily steeped in mind control and with connections to South Korea's CIA or the kcia, which was set up by the CIA. So that's interesting because, yeah, the Moonies, we know the Moonies have these connections to the Bush family and then, you know, obviously a mind control, CIA type thing. And then we get to Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy, of course, has these weird fetishes and he is connected to. He was a young gop. Rising young gop.
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Narrator/Interviewer
No, excuse me.
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Jay Dyer
Ted Bundy is supporting Nelson Rockefeller, as we mentioned. Excuse me, I'm thinking of Dahmer. But both of them are rising GOP guys, right? Skulls were found in the case of ted. This is where the FBI comes in and sets up the TED squad. And this is really kicking off this FBI pattern of or promotion of looking for this serial killer. And Ted Bundy says, oh, there's others in on this, of course, but they're not ever explained or mentioned. No. Photos were apparently allowed in the prosecution of Ted, which is interesting because Dave argues that that might have implicated other police, other officials who were probably involved with Ted, but we don't know. California, Texas, Florida, this is the standard
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Narrator/Interviewer
areas of the serial killers.
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Jay Dyer
And then of course, Chicago, I guess as well. These are of course known drug and mob areas. So another one of these characters that pops up, serial killer, sicko, pedo, self mutilation Gecht.
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Narrator/Interviewer
What is this guy's name?
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Jay Dyer
Robin Gecht. And he is a multiple personality guy who was probably abused and he was into bestiality, which by the way, you can see now that the promotion of bestiality, which is happening in university sex shops on campuses, by the way they're promoting bestiality. You can find those articles online at Campus Reform and other sites. You can see that the promotion of bestiality, which I believe Adorno talked about, this is all towards the depersonalization and dehumanization of society. So they, the serial killer stuff is very close to that Frankfurt school type toxic culture stuff because the promotion of the whole serial killer mythos and ethos, as we just saw this chick in the video clip with Ben Swan talking about how she wants to marry Manson, obviously she's wanting to make money from it because she's going to, you know, put his remains in a. On display or whatever. But, but what's interesting is that the. Well, in the case of Gekt, for example, we have another instance of Satanism. And so the idea here is that GEKT may have been connected to the Ripper Crew, another one of these outfits that's famous for killing a lot of people. Another character of the Sunset Strip murderer was Navy Lieutenant Franklin Clark, who gave birth to Doug Clark and another series of Doug Clark, another bunch of sickos.
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And it just goes on and on and on. I mean, I.
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Jay Dyer
It's kind of gross to continue talking about all these guys and their, their practices. But what's funny is that they get sent to a lot of times these military and medical facilities because of their, you know, part of the VA or whatever, because they're former military guys, which could suggest, you know, programming and whatnot.
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And
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Jay Dyer
that, that also could suggest the Phoenix program, which Dave McGowan mentions in the case of Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. And what's interesting about Ramirez is that there's all this oblivious, you know, occult black magic stuff that was even in the mainstream news. But it's just kind of been, oh, well, that's just, you know, the proclivities of him as an individual eccentric weirdo. But why does it keep popping up? And could it suggest, you know, more? I mean, maybe the 40 deaths attributed to, I guess, Ramirez, maybe he wasn't the only one doing that.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right?
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Jay Dyer
And, and I mean, do you really expect people in some sicko culture not to frame some idiot in their cult?
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Narrator/Interviewer
Right?
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Jay Dyer
So if they find, like if you have a cult and you know, you're doing something like drug trafficking or human trafficking, the same, same as the situation with the, that I mentioned with Gacy and the JCs and the cops, right? What do you, what are you gonna do? Like, you understand criminology, you know how to get away with things. So what might you do? Well, you might find some dupe who gets interested in your cult and you realize, man, this dude is effing nuts.
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Singer
Right?
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Jay Dyer
You know, he was probably abused. Maybe you have cult members that know about him, Family members, you know, they know about, oh, this, my cousin Richard. He's a total nutcase, right? And this was the case in the, with Richard Ramirez was his uncle or somebody knew about him and so he kind of wrote, roped him into this network. And then you get him and you use him for whatever your purposes are. And then if it comes up that, oh, you know, he's caught or he screws botched job or he screws something up, well then he takes the heat for all the killing. Meanwhile, you've been using him and you've been indoctrinating him and telling him that,
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Narrator/Interviewer
oh,
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Jay Dyer
the enemy of our cult is XYZ and he's going to rat us out for whatever. So in other words, you dupe these people because they're nuts. They have no idea what's going on. They probably do have altars. They serve a purpose is what I'm trying to say. If people in the establishment know all this, then if the cult or the, the group or whatever has members in the establishment, then that's how these things, you know, could be covered up. Now, another one of these characters who he mentioned, some of the guys who are into collecting body parts. The collector, this type of gross stuff. The Collector. I didn't realize this because, but I've read John Fowles's famous novel, which if you do grad studies and literature, it'll be on a list that you're supposed to read the Magus. And I read the Magus and I've mentioned it in my book. And you know, this is because it suggests the idea of very rich people being able to engineer large scale psyops and John Fowles apparently wrote another book, though, called the Collector, which is about some psycho who likes to collect things. Or he doesn't just collect. Butterflies and, you know, staple them to a cork board or something. He collects. He starts with that. And then he. I guess he starts collecting body parts. And
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so this guy.
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Jay Dyer
What's this guy's name, this crazy first one, Gary Heidnik is the next person. And Gary is connected to. This is one of the downsides of
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Narrator/Interviewer
Dave's book is that it kind of.
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Jay Dyer
It goes through so much information that I kind of get lost in who's who. So then there's like these other guys, Leonard Lake and Charles Ngng Ng, which I guess is like Filipino or something. But these guys were filming bondage porn and then apparently got into snuff films. And the idea was that, oh, they were being used by a larger network. And I think then the Heidnik character
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was also
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Jay Dyer
had multiple personalities. And then we come to the next guy, Bobby Berdella. Bobby Berdella was a military guy and he got into. I think he. I can't remember if he's. Maybe he wasn't military. Apparently he was just a hood. And then he got into body parts and cannibalism started eating people and he
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Narrator/Interviewer
set up a house of horrors.
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Jay Dyer
And Bobby Berdella,
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Narrator/Interviewer
let's see.
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Jay Dyer
Okay, so who comes? The CIA people come in to try to solve this case. Yeah, Bobby Berdella was kind of doing the same thing as Gacy, except he was grabbing boys, drugging them and raping them and torturing them. And supposedly one of them got away. And then we've got Leonard Lake and Charles Ng are drugging people and doing the same thing. And then Geraldo, if you remember his videos and his report, which I've watched those, those are interesting, where they covered the occult corporation crimes in late 80s, early 90s, satanic panic stuff. And Geraldo actually brings up some of the esoteric and occult stuff in relationship to Bobby Berdella. And then two people want the CIA guy, Troy Cole and Michael Aquino. Come on, Geraldo. And debunk it and say, no, none of that exists, that there's no such thing. Which is preposterous. But this is what Dave says. So another interesting thing that I never heard, Dave says that the. That Roy Raiden of the Cotton Club murder, this is direct connect to Hollywood, Was killed by a ritual execution shot repeatedly in the head by three of magazine publisher Larry Flint's former bodyguards. And one of them was Charles Manson associate Bill Menser. So Here you have the connection to high level porn, the Cotton Club murders. And then, yeah, Gary Heidnik, as I said, so he's a vet.
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Narrator/Interviewer
And what's interesting about him is that
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Jay Dyer
he becomes this United Church of God, some church of the, of the ministers of some weird Protestant evangelical sect and that he sets up as his, he's the minister of it, a bishop, and he sets up torture dungeons and he starts, he works at some mental health facilities facility and he starts kidnapping retarded black women and he tortures them in the dungeon. And Gary, Dave claims, was used in military LSD experiments. This is pages 258, 259. And this was at a site in Germany. And it's the same locale that other supposed killers were paramilitary guys were trained, we're told. So
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interesting
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Jay Dyer
now that we come to Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer gets the connection. He has the weird connections to high level GOP people when he's young. So his senior class trip, Jeffrey Dahmer was somehow able to make a call on a payphone and he gets his entire senior class, a VIP tour of Walter Mondale's office and a visit by prominent writer Art Buchwald. How would this aspiring young GOP serial killer boy have such impressive context in Washington has never been explained. And here we come again with the gay bars and the gay guys and the necrophilia. And there are stories, at least there's reports of Dahmer was possessed and people thought he had, he was actually possessed and that he had these alternate Personas and he would watch movies like Exorcist 2 over and over and over and he would like rock back and forth, forth watching them. And he was into eating the dead. And the only thing that the media had a tendency to talk about was a dabbling in Satanism. But Dave says that it was more than a dabbling, but they just covered this up. And next character, Herb Baumeister, another young GOP Navy connected kid, has all the same ritual abuse case of connections to, you know, military programs of killers and so forth. And so the thesis again, we see the patterns that are here that should be pretty obvious, but I guess if you're, you know, if you're mainstream media and you don't know any of this stuff and you think that there's no such thing as alters in DID and npd, and if you don't believe in evil, then you're going to be already preconditioned to not think that this stuff is real. And what you do accept is real is going to be conditioned by what you've seen in pop culture in the movies, which what happens in the movies is that they'll take some of the real stuff and then they'll like focus and draw the attention over to, away from the occult stuff at times to just the lone crazy guy or they don't raise the questions about connections to, you know, high up level officials. This by the way was explained, excuse me, was detailed in the first season of True Detective where they, this, this weirdo redneck, inbred family or cousins of the family, they take the hit the fall and meanwhile the, you know, very wealthy, well connected sickos don't get in trouble. That's mentioned at the end of season one of True Detective, which I do recommend by the way. Now the profilers and the patsies in this including section Dave makes the argument that look, this is basically a lot of funding, right? The whole serial killer phenomena. It was great for Hollywood box office sales, book sales. It was the source of a lot
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Narrator/Interviewer
of
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Jay Dyer
police bureau, you know, getting funding, FBI getting funding. And really what it was was a larger psychological warfare operation. And it's, and it's perfectly mirrored in Phoenix program the death squads and it serves the, the private prison industrial complex, which makes sense because a lot of the military contractors, you know, they maybe they go for military then they go into private prison security work. And so you know, obviously you're gonna have a lot of corrupt sicko people in there. And that makes perfect sense. And the whole idea of profiling this whole so called science, which doesn't really make sense, it's not very consistent according to Dave McGowan. I'm not saying that there's not profiling. There is, there are profiles to killers. But, but the, the FBI bureau, right, that's set up Bureau of Scientific Bureau or I'm trying to remember the name of it, but there's some behavioral science unit, BSU that's a, that's set up as a result of this, you know, it doesn't have the best record according to Dave. And I'm gonna pass over the JonBenet Ramsey section. I did read that, but you, that was just so weird. I don't know what to make of it. Sounds like it looks like it's probably some kind of elite pedo sex ring. You can read that, make your own judgment there. Sean Helton also has a lengthy analysis, I believe that he wrote at 21st Century Wire covering the JonBenet Ramsey case. And again, what do we see? Satanic ritual abuse covered up one guy I want to mention at the end who's curious is the character of Jean Bodel Bokassa, who is apparently, was apparently the puppet of French intelligence in Central Africa and he set up the Central African Republic and he declared himself emperor. And you should go watch that. I watched two or three documentaries on this guy who. It's just so ridiculous. He was a cannibal, which was interesting. Bokassa would have these lavish parties in the palace and they would eat people. He would eat his enemies and people that he conquered. And reportedly when he went to Libya, he fled. When he, when his empire collapsed, he fled to Libya and they still had eating people parties, cannibal parties there. So you get into the, the realm of the billionaires, okay? And the so called elite and they're into this really sick stuff. And there are billionaires, they do exist and they do like sick stuff. And I wouldn't be surprised after reading Dave's book if it's not really like Hostel, if it's not really like Lone Survivor, whatever that. Remember that movie with ice tea, you
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Narrator/Interviewer
know, where they get people and they
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Jay Dyer
hunt them from the 90s, something like that. I think maybe him and Gary Busey or somebody crazy, you know, that's what we're looking at here is elite depravity, something that we've. Elite degeneracy, deviants, something that we've talked about a lot at Jason Elysis. And why do we talk about that? Well, because it shows the abusiveness of the system and the establishment that the people at the tip top tend to be bad guys. They're not there to help you or
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protect you or save you.
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Jay Dyer
Now does that mean that that's because of hierarchy itself? I don't think so. Problem isn't hierarchy. The problem is human depravity. The problem is humans are fallen. And the reality of evil and the reality of spiritual evil, this is my conclusion on all this points us back to God. It points us back to the Bible. The world that the Bible presents, you know, is a world where demons are real, angels are real, spirits are real, they influence our world, our reality. And there is good and evil and the modern world says all that stupid that doesn't exist.
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Narrator/Interviewer
Hahaha.
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Jay Dyer
And then here we are confronted with the reality of evil in these kinds of cases of organ trade and cults and human sacrifice and war and all this stuff. And the response is either denial or the lame, pathetic, empty attempt to try to explain it all through psychiatric problems and throwing chemicals at it. But you're Never going to solve a spiritual problem in human beings with chemicals. And that's why all the, you know, pharmaceutical stuff doesn't work. It might work in a sense to maybe put people in a dazed catatonic state or something to where they're not able to go nuts because they're so drugged. But it doesn't solve the problem, right? It just treats the symptoms. The symptoms are of, of man's wickedness and depravity is that he is fallen, right? The source of the problem, I'm saying, is that he's fallen. And the outwork, these evil acts are outworkings of that. And when they manifest in these very extreme cases of depravity, it really is just showing us the reality of spiritual evil. But any society that can't recognize spiritual evil, and I would say that that's societies that are the reason we have so many material blessings in the west that we feel like all that stuff doesn't exist anymore. That was the ancient world, medieval world
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had all these superstitions.
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Jay Dyer
And then here we are faced with real sickos and people say, oh well, it's just all fake. These idiots on the line that claim it's all fake. It's not all fake. There's real evil in the world, real spiritual evil. And again, why is there all the denial? Well, because the admission of it would lead back to the conception of God. If there's spiritual evil that's admitted to exist, then, well, then there's probably a God too. And that's what no one in the modern world can admit or stand to admit. So Program to Kill the Politics of Serial Murder. Highly recommended book. I would say that 90% good. Couple criticisms of the book. Dave doesn't go into female serial killers. There are plenty of those. You can go. I've looked this up, by the way, online. The quote profiles or the, the cases of female serial killers. There was that one movie with Charlize Theron playing, playing that one crazy, I forget her name. But there's also black guys that were serial killers. Now he does mention the Atlanta, the Atlanta kidnapper killer guy, Wayne, Wayne Williams I think is his name. So that's a black guy. But we, in other words, what I'm
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getting at is that we have this
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Jay Dyer
impression that oh, the serial killers are all these middle aged, creepy white guys. That is not true. Now a lot of these, these serial killer guys have tended to be the middle aged white guy because a lot of guys who would have gone into the special Ops Phoenix program type stuff were probably more Intelligent, you know, trained in special forces type stuff, right? So I mean, you can't just, you can't just be a brute, right, and get into special forces. You also have to have like a certain level IQ and so forth. So that would exclude a lot of minorities. But when we just consider the brutality of serial raping, murder, torture, there are plenty of cases of minorities involved in that, including Hispanics, including blacks, including women, including Asians too, by the way. So this is not a racial issue, I'm saying. But I'm, but what's funny is that if you go to, like I was doing this a year ago when I was researching some of this, I went to Psychology magazine and when you look up what psychologist pop thing, right, that talks about serial killers, they literally tell you that it's all white males. I'm sorry, but there are, I mean, for example, there are women who've had multiple abortions. I would count that as serial killing, right? Based on my worldview. But no, that's not taken into account when politically correct Psychology Today magazine says that serial killers, all white dudes, middle aged white dudes. No, it's been in the problem. The issue there is that sin and evil are not race specific. All the races, all of the tribes of man, are prone to temptation and evil. Now you might could argue that certain people, groups and races might be prone to certain evils. You could argue that. But you know, there are wicked white dudes in power just as much as there are wicked people in Indonesia and Malaysia, you know, having weird sex parties. Everybody knows about Singapore, Malaysia and all the sex stuff there. I mean, it's just really gross, sick stuff, right? And this goes on everywhere. I, I know a girl who was involved in DJing for very large techno parties in Japan, and I believe her when she says this, but she talked about some of the stuff that the Japanese rich guys were into. It's, I'm not going to repeat it because it's so gross. Now she, she didn't say she did this, but she, you know, she had been to parties where really gross stuff went down, which I won't mention, it's just nasty. But you could, you can imagine that, you know, I'm talking about millionaire billionaire guys that are into things, stuff to do with human feces. Okay? So I mean that, and in a way that's, I guess, quote, a sort of tame compared to the idea of actually just killing people and, you know, murdering them. All of which is just disgusting. But still, this is what we're talking about. So it's not hard to believe when you consider, you know, what other kind of stuff. People who, you know, they have all the money in the world they don't need, you know, there's kind of move to the next sick thing, right?
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It's like the sickest to the sickest.
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Jay Dyer
And when you look at the art world of the so called elite, that's a good window into that world that we're talking about here, that it's not hard to believe. You know, they're into some very gross, bizarre stuff. So anyway, that all to me suggests the reality of the spiritual world. And you know, we're going to continue to see wickedness of this nature and it will get even worse and worse and worse until we realize that there is a God and the Bible is real. You know, here's this book that actually seems to explain all this very well. But nobody wants to believe that. They want to believe, you know, ridiculous, stupid things. So you've been listening to Jay's analysis. Thank you, subscribers. You guys are the best and I love you guys. And please continue listening and praying and, you know, maybe we can bring some sanity to an insane world.
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Singer
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Jay Dyer
you
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Singer
make me feel there's nothing wrong at all. My little china doll,
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Jay Dyer
Your eyes melt
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Singer
me like a child just beckoning, beckoning. Then they turn so cold so fast. Although they still say come on in at night I go on home just set side jail I walk a little alone and wear around. I give my life take a swim. But in those eyes I sure let drown. My little china doll, you make me
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feel
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Singer
there's nothing wrong.
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Jay Dyer
Oh
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Singer
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