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The Files That Reveal the REAL Agenda: Maria Zeee & Jay Dyer
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Why they talk so openly in the emails is that they genuinely believe they were sort of at this untouchable class and that nothing could happen to them. Countless gigantic Roman Catholic profiles. For example, we're using this as a supposed proof that Pope Francis, I kid you not, had hacked and taken down Epstein. In fact, quite the opposite. It suggested that this person had a who was connected. Epstein also had a Vatican passport, so that's undermining the legitimacy of the Vatican. And he said back in 2006 in his book Brief History of the future, going to create a global interlinked brain. It will be the golem of Jewish kabbalistic mythology.
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Maria (Interviewer)
So who's really at the top? Who's really pulling the strings and what is their ultimate goal? Someone who's been on the case of answering those questions specifically for many years is Jay Dyer and he joins us today to dig into this Eyes Wide Shut real life conspiracy. Jay Dyer, thank you so much for joining us today. We appreciate you being here.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Thank you. Maria. Always love chatting with you. It's a great, deep conversation every time.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Absolutely. One of the. Well, the main reason we're talking today again is that I know that you've been putting a tremendous amount of work into the Epstein files. You've been one of the most relentless streamers and researchers on these files. And so it's going to be really interesting to get your perspective. I want to start with your tweet here. Eyes Wide Shut is proven real. Puts them famous Rothschild masked ball photos in a new light. Given the Epstein files, this has been the means of control for A long time. So before we zoom in on to specifics, Jay, talk to us about the, the. The zoomed out 40, 000 foot view of the. The files.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, I think what it really confirms is something that I read 2000 in 2003. So over 20 years ago I read a book on ritual abuse in the Cath by William Kennedy, who was a journalist writing one of the first books on that topic. And it sort of introduced me to the idea that there's large scale networking of organized crime that interlinks at a very high level in the realms of finance, in the realms of academia, realms of government, you name it. Hollywood celebrities, they all have these networks that seem to have a high degree of control. And after that I read some other texts that dealt with these, you know, organized crime, that kind of stuff. And that led me down the route of espionage and geopolitics. And on my channel we've recently done some lectures on books, not just Whitney Webs but some other books on the history of espionage, honey traps, etc. So all of that research was sort of coalescing into these files all being vindicated, I mean even to the point of transhumanism, you name it. Like every element of what we think of as kind of fringe theory, conspiracy, you know, theses over the last several decades is all now confirmed. And this is, you know, how the world's really run. It's really actually run by these high level networks that are able to compromise high level people. But not just that, it's also drawing in CEOs, getting them on board with, you know, the plan that in this case I think not just the Israeli intelligence operations, but also the CIA too and British intelligence. I think the five Eyes intelligence apparatus all sort of utilize the same intelligence that Epstein could, could provide. He also, you know, was involved in bringing in tech people transhumanism with Zoro Ranch. So all of that collates into, you know, like you said, I think I did 30 hours of live stream in the first week as these were coming out. And this particular tweet that you're talking about there, I put in my book back in 2016 on Hollywood, one of the first chapters dealt with the Rothschilds and their portrayal in film and how many films were actually telling us that not just using Rothschild mansions for the films and for the, the sex cults, but this is kind of what they actually do. So that's where we're at is that it's, you know, all the movie stuff is now, is now real.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Well, I'm really glad that the links about transhumanism are coming out. I also wonder what the trans community thinks about this, as in the transgender community, considering that, you know, it's come out in the files that Epstein was heavily, heavily invested and related to the sort of birth of transgenderism propaganda. It's pretty much everything that we look at that's toxic in society can be linked back to Epstein. But I really would love to sort of talk about how this is just not, not just one man, Jay but it' interesting that this is kind of, it seems like so much of this has gone through one man. And I want to ask you because obviously this agenda comes from up higher. Do you think Epstein was the only one or are we just part of me peeking into, you know, inches of this real agenda?
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
No, like you said in the Bannon interview, interview, which I did a live stream covering the entire Bannon interview. He said at the very, very beginning that he was recruited into the trilateral commission in 1990 by the Kissinger circles and David Rockefeller to be a Steering Committee member. So he was sort of the legate of David Rockefeller, which shows again, for those of us that have covered the CFR and the spin off steering committee group, the Trilateral Commission, which was created in the 1970s for Brzezinski himself to run at a higher level. This is again vindication of the very networks that we talked about, the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, their control over the nations through the intelligence apparatus is exactly what these files show. So it's absolutely an international global network and it's the very networks and steering committees and groups that we've talked about, such as Bilderberg, such as Chatham House, British intelligence. It's all interconnected exactly as we suspected. And it's not accidental that he's friends with, you know, the Royal Family because the Royal Family also seems to have had a very close relationship with the other infamous PDF trafficker, Jimmy Savile. Those are a lot of parallels between Savile and Epstein. However, Epstein was very, very high up, much higher up in the power structure than Saville was. And I think that's all been demonstrated probably to most people's surprise, you know, that he was up, up that high because that's near the top of the pyramid. You're not David Rockefeller's Lee Gate if you're just some random, you know, criminal or organized crime figure. This is why the second day, one of the emails that came was that he had had planned to meet about 15 heads of state across the world. You don't do that unless you have, you know, a high degree of, you know, protection, you're almost perhaps an untouchable. I think that's why they talk so openly in the emails, is that they genuinely believe they were sort of at this untouchable class and that nothing could happen to them. Which, again, suggests obvious intelligence cover. And probably not just, you know, Mossad, but also CIA and also British intelligence, all probably utilizing and protecting somebody at this high level to engage in, as my tweet says, perhaps even to the level of hunting people. It's not exactly clear whether they're, quote, joking. But I think that given all the other things that we see, it's not hard to believe. If we've seen emails hinting at assassination, emails hinting at torture, it's not out of the realm of possibility that it could include even more degenerate practices.
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Maria (Interviewer)
I think from memory, I saw an email referencing a hunt, if I'm not mistaken, as well. So, you know, when you consider the depravity of these people and these files essentially confirming all of our theories over the years and all of our research over the years, it's very likely that those types of things were occurring. I want to ask you about that Rothschild connection. It's very interesting because I don't know if people are aware of this, but there are people tracking it. Every day there's more and more files being removed from the DOJ's database relating to the Rothschilds. I mean, like, every day we're seeing tens, if not hundreds of files slowly coming off the release, and I guess no one's really answering why that's occurring.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a push to cover some of these things up. Of course, I think a lot of people have already moved the databases elsewhere, so hopefully we have copies of all that at some other location, but. And yes, we're still waiting on many other files, which, you know, who knows? Can you imagine what they haven't released? If what we've seen so far is so insanely incriminating and far worse than I think most people expected. You know, I remember hearing about Epstein for the first time, I think, in 2016. And I remember Ben Swan did a report on Lolita Express back then for RT. I remember Alex Jones was covering Lolita Express around 2017 as well. I know he covered it earlier, but that's the first time I recall hearing about it. And, you know, we all kind of thought about this as, okay, this is just one of these operations within some power block of Networks of the, you know, of the world trying to entrap people. And then we heard about the black book I had Nick Bryant on and he was the original journalist at Gawker that posted Epstein's Black book many years ago. And then we got to see more and more and then Whitney Webb's book came out which was a really well researched piece of, piece of data connecting a lot of things to international intelligence operations that he originally comes out of Wall Street, Bear Stearns, he's recruited into these operations through Bill Barr during the Lavar was coming out of the OSS, the Dalton School, etc. That all kind of places him in a position to be then recruited into the Maxwell operation, which we know is a Mossad operation with Robert Maxwell being a very high powered cutout for Israeli intelligence and British intelligence, being given this sort of billion dollar publishing empire and then being offed by the Mossad, according to Jeffrey in one of the emails, which is kind of what everybody expected for playing both sides in the Cold War, which vindicates the analysis that my friend Mark Hackard had given years ago when he translated the KGB archives about Maxwell because the KGB were actually suspicious that Maxwell was trying to play both sides and lol, that's exactly apparently what was going on given Jeffrey's email and its admission about why he was killed. But it also ties in elements, not just the Rothschilds and the Rockefeller. As you pointed out, many Rothschild elements have come forward which include the continuation of their model of basically gaming markets on the basis of advanced intelligence. And this is funny because I was just reviewing the classic authorized Rothschild's biography that I have by Morton and in the first chapter, it's about page 50 or 60, he gets into discussing how they really did buy up the London stock market when it crashed due to advanced intelligence in regard to Waterloo. And that's funny because you fast forward to only a few years ago the email exchange between Ariana de Rothschild and Epstein and they were discussing the exact same methodology of how to go into countries where there's a collapse and you buy it up as it's, as it's collapsing, whether it's Ukraine, whether it's the Greek bailout debt crisis back in the 2000s and the 2000s when we had the bailouts for the European banks. It's the same model of crisis capitalism, I guess you could say, or viper capitalism, you know, confessions of an economic hitman type stuff that John Perkins wrote about so many years ago. So that's the model of how they game these things. And he even sort of makes the joke that the goyim don't understand the inside intelligence that we have, which is just really just insider trading. And he says they operate on an external, normal world view of how the world works. And we have the inner track because we have the intelligence on the inside as to how to do this. And you see this as well, you know, with these high, high dollar deals. There was a $50 million deal, a 25 million dollar deal with the Rothschilds and Epstein, he's of course put in control of Leslie Wexner's fortune for some reason he's a money manager.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Because Les was just such a victim of Epstein.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Exactly. He was a victim. And, and as we saw in that testimony a couple days ago, he says, well, he worked for the Rothschilds. Exactly. Which is what we've said, you know, for so long. And that's also important because Robert Maxwell was also supported and given money by the Rothschilds and kind of put into that position as well. So again, the same networks, the same circles, the same dynasties all pop up. Both Rockefeller and Rothschilds, they're all, they're all very high tier and very important in this organized crime syndicate. And notice that it shows also that intelligence stuff isn't James Bond. It's not, it's very, it's very little of that kind of stuff. It's bankers.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
And it's bankers ripping everybody off and it's. And touching butts. That's. And doing worse. It's not like, you know, it's not what you see in Ian Fleming stories. It's, it's just, it's like gross confidential informant police stuff but done by bankers. So it's, it's not even, it's not even sexy and fun like movies. It's just gross.
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Maria (Interviewer)
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Maria (Interviewer)
Some stuff came out about Bitcoin in the files which I wanted to talk to you about again. They obviously knew this was going to be massive. We saw that Epstein was trying to Sharia coin over there in, in the Middle east, right? Definitely moving towards digital currency. It's undeniable. The world is moving in this direction. What do you, what did you dig up about that and what are your feelings around that?
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Well, the first thing that was odd about that was there was a fake email that you could very easily see was fake where Epstein is supposedly talking to just Lane saying that he's a satoshi, which is preposterous because he, I mean if you know, for example, philosophy and you hear Epstein talking in the Bannon interview about what he, he thinks he's sort of a genius in all of these different domains. It's a very rudimentary understanding of philosophy. And other people who know technology very well were telling me that when Epstein starts to talk about AI and these, you know, models that he really. Neural networks, he really had a kind of a suede level of understanding. He was a, a pseudo philosopher, a pseudo tech guy. But he did throw a lot of money everywhere. And that's important to understand because as we saw again with the Rothschilds element, whether it's genetics, cloning, his interest in, you know, pandemics and pandemic exercises with Bill Gates in those emails, or whether it's even to the point of, you know, getting things put into Call of Duty black ops games about exchanging virtual currencies within games. You have to keep in mind he's, he's always on the lookout for advanced intelligence for the next trend. So that would include anything and everything. I mean he had deals involving tens of millions of dollars. Would we assume then that, well, Epstein uses the dollar, so I guess the dollar is bad. I mean, it's just kind of silly. You said, you see, you made the same point with stocks, right? Well, they're, and they're buying and trading stocks. It's not inherently wrong to buy and trade stocks. So there was some money put into the original Bitcoin foundation to sort of support some of the coders. But people need to understand that Bitcoin isn't a centralized service where you have some hidden, you know, code somewhere on somebody's secret, you know, nsa, CIA server. It's a public protocol like email, so anyone can look at the code and anyone can see the public blockchain. So Bitcoin is not perfectly anonymous, it's pseudonymous, meaning that people don't know who has what wallet, but the entire ledger is public and the code is also public. Now, in order to change the code of Bitcoin, what has to happen is you have to get the majority of the nodes, the people that run the nodes, to run a new version of Bitcoin or a new version of the code. And that's very difficult to do because it would require eventual consensus because it's a decentralized network. So people don't know that about Bitcoin. And that's part of its strength, is that it's decentralized and it's not centralized. So they think that you can somehow program some backdoor into it and like, like some Israeli coder in 2011 was secretly putting a code into it. Doesn't work that way. That's not. And it's the same with email, right? I mean, the, the entire Internet, the entire apparatus of email comes out of our ARPANET and darpa. So are you not going to use email because it has a connection originally to darpa? I mean, it's kind of silly, right? So it's also, in logic, it's a fallacy. The origin of something doesn't necessarily mean that it's false or bad because you can, you can delineate between the origin of a thing and its actual eventual acceptance or use.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah, I liken it to the stock market. You know, it's, it's run by the same bankers that are doing all this stuff that we see in the files, you know, or responsible for the, the shadow government around the world. But if people are making money from the stock market, I applaud them because the more money you can make, the more you can be independent from the system. So go for it. You know, if you know how to play their world, do it well.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
But also, I don't think if you look into the origin of Bitcoin, I mean, it comes out of Austrian economics and the entire apparatus of the intelligence world that we have today, at least with British intelligence. All of its original founders and members back in the early 1900s were Fabian socialists and most of them had a Keynesian ideology. In other words, John Maynard Keynes view of economics, which is kind of like light socialism or Fabian Social. In fact, the Fabian socialist believed that John Maynard Keynes was the greatest economist of their whole ideology. So think about the earliest members and heads of the OSS and the CIA. They were all headed up by open Fabian socialists as well. So you're not going to have people from that apparatus creating the opposite of that system, which is what Bitcoin is, because it's a fixed supply, it's fungible, it's decentralized, it's not inflatable, etc. That's the opposite of the entire ethos of Keynesian economics. And so if you read, for example, Sifadine Amos's book Bitcoin Standard, I recommend it's a really good book. And I don't agree with everything from Austrian economics. I don't have a problem criticizing elements of that. But when you contrast that with the, the fiat model of how the governments and the private central banks that run the governments actually rip everyone off, it makes perfect sense why Jeffrey Epstein would want to get in on Bitcoin, try to turn it into a different thing, try to code it differently, try to steer it. It makes perfect sense that it would be a vector of attack. And I actually believe that when the, the flurry of stories came out the first couple days about Epstein and bitcoin, I see that as just another attack. And in fact, I bought a lot more bitcoin in the last week precisely because it's at a discount.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah, you're on the dip. So it's not going anywhere from what I can see. So I certainly understand that logic on the flurry of information. I want to touch on that with you. I, I know about this term flooding, which is where we are given, you know, you look at the file release, the drip, drip that we've had in the past, it gives people, you know, a lot more to zone in on. Now we have over 3 million files, certainly not, not anywhere near what they claim has been released. In fact, the, the estimates are that this is only 2% of the information they have on this operation. But dropping 3 million onto the public and saying, here you go, you look at it, you deal with it. When really this is, you know, up to the government. If, if it wasn't an illusion of government, they would be the ones investigating this. Nonetheless, they drop this on the public and then people are digging through. It's going to take months, if not years to keep digging through these files. Then that gives people fatigue and they no longer want to hear about it because you can't just be thinking about a pedophile every day of your life. Right. So, so this is one of the tactics, in my opinion, Jay, that was actually deployed here. It's like, you know, dragging the public along, waiting for this release, waiting for this release. And no doubt they were forced to do it, but, you know, it now this, this just dump and okay, we're moving on. I see fatigue in the public. They don't, they don't want to keep talking about this. This is obviously an intelligence tactic.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I, I don't know that we will necessarily get anything out of this. We've seen prime ministers and people stepping down, CEOs stepping down. Well, that's not exactly justice. I mean, people need to actually be brought to just not just go from one cussy, cushy job to some other cushy job. But it does at least show that they wouldn't be stepping down if this was all, you know, a nothing burger. So obviously there's something here and it's, it's legitimate, which refutes a lot of the people that are out there kind of shilling the idea for the establishment. This is all crazy. It's still, it's made up. They're still trying that line, which is kind of absurd. But, you know, even, even Trump tried to say, when it's time to move on, we need to move on. Well, I don't think a lot of people in our sphere of things are going to move on, because now we kind of have this mass awakening. And maybe you're right that, that a lot of the population, half the population that's completely just triples down, quadruples down, that there's nothing going on and this is all made up and they're not going to care or believe it. But, you know, all the intelligent people, I think the people who have some discernment have figured this out and they're, they're not going to let it go. I'm certainly not going to let it go because it's the biggest story of our lifetime precisely because it's such a confirmation of all the stuff that, that I've talked about since, you know, I got into, quote, conspiracy theories in 1998. I read my first book criticizing the UN and socialism and then kind of got deeper and deeper into that after, after 9, 11, started studying false flags and then studying this stuff kind of at an academic level and then getting deep into history with banking and all that kind of stuff and tragedy and hope. This really confirms all of those, those talks and lectures and things that we received so much flack for, for discussing the last for to, you know, 26 years. And I'm not going to let that go because it's, this is all vindication of everything I've talked about.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah, absolutely. And I just, I made this point recently with Mike Adams. I said, you know, these are things that we've, we as independent media and researchers have been talking about for years that we've been debanked for, that we've been blocked off social media, we've been shadow banned for. You know, apart from the justice that needs to come for the victims, apart from the justice that needs to be served on the pedophiles, there's also justice for people like us. We've been financially impacted and impacted in our reach and our ability to tell people the truth for telling the truth for years. There, There needs to be justice there too.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, that's a great point. It's not just, you know, and that's because obviously dissenting voices were on, on the trail. We, we did. No, we didn't. We may not have got everything right, but that's, that's not the point. The point is that we were on to the real culprits of this big picture, this big conspiracy, which is more than just our lifetime. I mean, this goes back to, if you remember what the JFK files. I did a lot of videos and analyses of some of those and we had similar types of connections there with CIA, organized crime and Israeli intelligence having a vested interest in, in getting rid of jfk. And that doesn't mean that I think JFK is some sort of like super saint or something like that. The point is just that there's a, a shadow government, a supra international shadow elite government that operates somewhat in the open, but also somewhat privately. And they utilize these steering committees, these things like trilateral that Epstein was the chairman of. They've done this model of governance for over 100 years now. This is what tragedy and hope is about. The steering committee is the all based on the Royal Institute for International affairs model. That's what the Council on Foreign Relations is and that's above the public officials. This is precisely why things never change, is because people are duped into the dog and pony show of thinking that the politicians are there for their best interest. And if you can just vote out the rascals the next two or four years, then we'll get another chance at it. Well, those politicians are owned by the people that we're talking about. The people that we're talking about are the people that make, you know, billions of dollars and have the ability to sexually compromise and assassinate people who don't go along with it. And so that's why this is such a big deal.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah, absolutely. The, the, I've said, you know, my summary of these file release is that it has completely shattered the illusion of government and the illusion of politics. If, if you are someone who thinks clearly, you can see that. You can see that everything that we're presented with, you know, whether they're going to try and sabotage Trump or try and lift him up here or cover this article, or how are we going to get the media to, you know, present you in a better light and not worry about the pedophilia stuff. And, you know, you just see the way that these cults are really operating above the level that the people are fed. And you even have that email exchange. I can't remember who it's with. You might remember where they're essentially saying, you know, we're keeping, keep keeping the black community distracted with basketball. You know, as long as they have their bread and circus, they will never rise up. That is, that is what they're talking about in these emails.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, there's a lot of the emails that confirm, even going back to the release of Hillary's emails, the WikiLeaks, the Podesta stuff. You know, you had similar statements there that segments of society can be controlled and manipulated and debased and sort of brutalized through not just bread and circuses, but also, you know, degenerate entertainment Hollywood. That's why I've spent quite a bit of time over the years writing esoteric Hollywood 1, 2 and 3, which is over a thousand pages on how Hollywood is really just mind control and really just another arm of the establishment. Doesn't mean that everybody or all the directors or writers, there's a lot of people who are sincere, and I think you could say the same thing with government. A lot of people go in thinking, I'm going to try to work for the best for my constituents. I'm going to try to change things, but they don't have a real sense of how the world is actually run by banker spies. You know, that's what, that's what really goes on. And, and that's what I came to conclude from studying all this stuff. So I think that the way to change things is not through the fake routes that people are given where you're sort of obsessed with what's happening in D.C. or you're obsessed with the Vatican and it's, you know, weekly gay drama, whatever's going on there.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Now keep in mind too, Epstein spent time at the Vatican. Epstein was very close to John Paul ii. That all came out in the emails as well. And I think one of the most amazing emails to me was the lengthy discussion explaining to banker Larry Summers how the Vatican bank works. So Epstein had an interview. A deep understanding of the inner workings of the Vatican bank as one of the world's most secretive banks, much like the bank for International Settlements. And it's perfect for secret banking, shadow banking, money laundering and black ops. And that's exactly what Operation Gladio was all about. Intertwining the oss, CIA and the Vatican Bank. So that's also another vindication of stuff that I've talked about which has enraged so many people over the last 10 years when you can all go look up and see if there's a connection between the P2 Lodge Operation Gladio, you know, Licio Galley and Michel Sendona of organized crime fame in Italy. All of that's true. All of it's real. The collapse of Banco d', Ambrosia, stealing people's pensions. Well, guess what? That's the exact same thing that happened in the banker bailout. So it's the Same model of, of chaos and stealing and grabbing the resources when there's, when there's planned and known chaos and gaming those markets ahead of time. All of that is in these email. So we have to understand we're run by a shadow criminal syndicate, much like Spectre in the James Bond novels and films rather than the, you know, crooked politicians that were fighting over every day or whatever. That's all dog and pony show. I'm not saying that the politicians themselves don't even necessarily. Maybe they have good motives, maybe they really do want to change things. But they then confront a behemoth much bigger and older and wealthier than them. Kind of like Tom Cruise and Eyes Wide Shut when he thinks he's, you know, the elite doctor in New York. And then he meets these billionaires that are doing sex ritual stuff and murdering people. So, you know, again, Eyes Wide Shut I think comes to the fore again as another film that really showed as Kubrick was telling us how the world really works. That's all been, been vindicated.
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Maria (Interviewer)
It's really astounding to, to look at, you know, the, the effort that was gone to, to try and keep this all under wraps. They didn't want these files. I keep hearing people say, oh, but you know, none of the presidents released them, but this one did. And it's like, where, where have you been? Where the fight to not get these out was, was going on. Where have you been when Marjorie Taylor Greene, who was the biggest supporter of President Trump is called a traitor for wanting the files out? I mean, come on, the woman's left her role because of the unbelievable pressure and attacks that she was under for supporting the release of these files. And then you see and Rokhana, you know, coming under incredible attack for, for pushing for this. So I'm not really, you know, and of course they only released part of it. There's a lot that I think we won't see personally. But the point is the, the, the thrashing and the gnashing of teeth. To not let the public see even what we have seen shows you how desperate they are to keep this illusion going. You mentioned something about manipulation and even through the Podesta emails and now the Epstein emails and you know, keeping the public placated essentially with distractions and things of this nature. But we also have this interesting article that just came out from the Daily Mail yesterday. Declassified CIA files reveal chilling blueprint to manipulate Americans minds through covert drugging with vaccines. Now these are not new CIA declassified files, but they've resurfaced and we're talking about a program even preceding MK Ultra, going all the way back to the 1950s where they were looking at ways on how to control the populations. And we're talking through aerosol methods, through vaccines, through food, through water, through everything. And I know that this is something you've been talking about for a while, Jay, so talk us through your research into this.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, so I first encountered, I think, this notion back when I read many, many years ago in the 2000s, Bertrand Russell's book Impact of Science on Society. And that's the book where he famously says through diet injections and injunctions, a future international technocracy will be able to manipulate, you know, dumb down and control populations. And so that could mean many things in the context. He seems to be talking about depopulation, sterilization, that kind of stuff. And then I was hipped to a couple books by the father of modern inoculations, Jonas Salk. And I had no idea how much of a rabid dysgenics proponent Jonas Salks was. Jonas Salk was, and I'm not saying that because to deflect from eugenics, he's actually a proponent of dysgenics, meaning the weaponization of genetics to actually massively depopulate the world. And so he wrote a book, many, maybe I want to say in the 60s or 70s. I did a talk on this book about 11 years ago, maybe a decade ago, A Survival of the Wisest. And I was shocked at how, just candid he was and blatant he was in the book about how we're going to pioneer the use of, of mass inoculations to experiments on pregnant women, to experiment on the population in general. We're going to basically require these types of medical experiments on every infant born under the guise of health. And we will eventually figure out a way to ensure that only the best people, the wisest people, go into the future and most of the population will be gotten rid of. Now, not saying that he was successful in doing that in his time. He's talking about where the priest class, and he actually says the scientific priest class is who will control society in this technocracy. So he's very candid, very open. One of the middle chapters explicitly just says, you want to experiment, do it on pregnant women under the co. The COVID of vaccines means. And he's the father of supposed vaccinations, saving lives, all that kind of stuff, right? Polio and all that. So here's the father of modern inoculations telling you That, I mean, the book is called the Survival of the Wisest. It's telling you that everybody needs to die except for the priest class.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Speaking of the priest class, I see a lot of Elon Musk at the moment, you know, saying, oh, we should hold those accountable who did something wrong, even though he's in the files. But the whole idea is that just because you're in the files, you didn't necessarily commit wrongdoing. I agree with that. It certainly doesn't mean that you, as in you committed a crime, but it is wrongdoing. Associating with a pedophile and choosing to associate with him. And like Howard Lutnick choosing to take your children to a pedophile island. This is a story that would normally attract the attention of cps, but apparently if Howard Ludnick does it, it's fine. You know, there are actually, that is wrongdoing. And from a mor perspective, and we do see, you know, a lot of these figures who are in prominent positions now, even though no crimes are visible in those emails and maybe no crimes actually occurred, there was definitely a relationship with Epstein, Peter Thiel being one of those. But you know, I, I see this, this, the similarities between some of the things that Musk is talking about, for example, and Epstein was talking about, you know, the moon transhumanism, all of this sort of stuff is being pushed by prominent figures right now who had links to Epstein crimes or not had links to him. What do you think is this, Is this a way to sort of COVID their tracks, make it seem like, well, we didn't actually commit crimes, there's nothing wrong with us. But you were still associating with someone who's part of this grand conspiracy and you happen to be pushing the same things he was. What are your thoughts on this channel, Jay?
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, well, again, I think we do have to be careful to not jump the gun. And I've seen a lot of people jumping the gun, for example, on the basis of some of what I think were fake or planted stories in the emails. For example, for sure, the first day everyone was sort of going crazy about the so called FBI tip that some guy had been taken to the FBI by Michael Moore. Red flag right there because that guy's a complete lunatic. And he was, take this guy claims he was on a yacht and you know, people were eating infants and George Bush Senior was. Put him in the booty hole. I mean that was just, it sounds like total made up nonsense, particularly because things in the story didn't even make sense. He Said he was ritually cut on his feet, but it was cut with a center that doesn't leave any scars. That's obviously a schizo crazy person. And then, and I even put out a tweet kind of saying, you kind of have to judge these in a sort of a tier of relevance or importance. Right. And even things like confidential informant information may or may not be true. For example, any of these.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Sorry, I'll just pause you. Any of these confidential informants could be spies themselves. They could have ulterior motives. So it's very hard to discern what is, is fact and fiction. But do go on.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Well, and I'm just saying that because many people were not discerning which document we're talking about, they're just jumping on it. Like this is in the Epstein file. So it, and it's, you have to look and see what it is. There was, for example, there was a confidential informant reporting on being a person involved in the tech sector who was an informant to the FBI. And they claimed that they had done a bunch of hacking and that they worked various capacities with tech companies and that they were concerned about going to certain countries, but that they believed, and they had some hacking connection to Epstein, that they should not go to Russia and that they, but they had a Vatican passport. Now, that's all that this, this confidential source claimed. And then countless gigantic Roman Catholic profiles, for example, were using this as a supposed proof that Pope Francis, I kid you not, had hacked and taken down Epstein. There was nothing in the report about anything like that. In fact, quite the opposite. It suggested that this person had a, who was connected to Epstein, also had a Vatican passport. So that's undermining the legitimacy of the Vatican. In fact, we saw that Epstein was also arranging flights and meetings for Pope Francis. So quite the contrary. And again, you have to be discerning in terms of what you're looking at. I think that the emails are some of the most damaging. And the financial transaction data that we've seen, particularly with high, high amount, high dollar amount deals with Rothschilds, those are some of the most, I think, telling. And then the emails are the most telling, even though they're redacted. But all that to say, no, of course, I'm not surprised that, you know, the Silicon Valley oligarchy at all capacities was targeted and, and, you know, cooperated at varying, very varying degrees with this. Because if you heard the phone call that came out between Barack and Epstein about, for example, Palantir, how they wanted to bring, you know, Peter Chill into this spider's web, sort of entrap him. I think that's very telling because that's, that's how this really works. Did you hear that phone call?
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Maria (Interviewer)
I did, yes.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah. That one is just such a key window into how this operation was working. So you want to get the CEOs, get a hand.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Well, I also noticed that Epstein didn't know how to sell Palantir and you know, crediting some sort of genius to him and he couldn't even spell.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, well, he hasn't read Lord of the Rings because his Palantir comes from the Palantia stone Lord of Rings. So. Yeah, right.
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Maria (Interviewer)
In saying all of that, I mean, I don't know what happened, what went down with Epstein until. There's certainly a long list of communication between the two.
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Maria (Interviewer)
We now see Palantir rising to pretty much the global surveillance state level. Every single country is seemingly implementing their technology and integrating it into their government systems. There was a country recently that said, no, we, we can't do this. We think it'll compromise our country. But you know, they have grown to a really scary level. Jay and I want to ask you in relation to Palantir and their capabilities versus what you've studied with Technocracy, you know, how close are we to that reality?
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
It's hard to say exactly how advanced or what they're able to do now because, you know, at least as far as I'm Aware what I know about it is what Peter put in his own book. So if you look at his book Zero to one, there's a chapter on the development of this technology for sort of predictive crime analysis and finding terrorists and figuring out what terrorists plan to do based on who's where and who's buying what and who's talking to who. And so they kind of do actuaries trying to get, you know, there's a 90% chance, Minority Report style, you know, that there will be a terror attack because you know, Bin Laden is here, he's buying C4 and he's, you know, smoking hookah at the bar. So like, I mean that's kind of the way that we're told that that works back when 10 years ago, whenever Peters Hill wrote 0 to 1. So as to how far advanced beyond that it is, I'm not sure. But they were putting 15 years ago I put this in my first or second book. I think 10 years ago. They were putting in to the UK this type of technology back then to predict crimes. So yeah, I think that. And really this all comes out of the post 911 threat of so called terrorism and what they call back then total information awareness and John Poindexter and DARPA developing, you know, basically just real time, total global surveillance with simulated world systems where you try to track and trace everything through supercomputers and so forth. So I would imagine that's kind of what they intend to do or what they're trying to get it to do if it's at that capability yet. I don't know. Usually the technology is, you know, 10, 20, 30 years ahead of what the public has. So it seems reasonable that they might have that technology. I understand that people, I think at these levels they're not concerned with your privacy or your so called rights. They don't believe in rights.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Absolutely. And we did a story yesterday which I think really didn't get anywhere near as enough attention on X as it should have. It was about the recent transgender shooter in Canada. The, you know, tragedy of course, but OpenAI was saying that their AI flagged that this person could be someone who committed it's a crime and that 12 separate staff members from Open AI wanted to report it to police. Ultimately leadership made the decision not to at the time. And our whole point about this story was well, is this our tragedy is being exploited for the purpose of conditioning the masses for AI pre because this type of situation is like if we can prevent a mass shooting, who wouldn't want to prevent A mass shooting. But then you have to ask yourself the question, okay, go back to the, the declassified files that we just discussed a few moments ago. Apart from a myriad of other declassified files about MKUltra and you know all this other stuff that we know how many of these transgender shooters are actually being mind controlled to do this in order to justify then pre crime AI surveillance software And I, I guess you know j. We have the, we have the COVID shots come out. No doubt there were behavioral changes about that. There are a myriad of peer reviews, studies about that. You know, what sort of risk are we at now with them weaponizing, you know, this sort of really advanced mind control that goes beyond putting someone in a room and making them stare at a screen to hypnotize them. We're talking about literal, you know, in the food, in the water, in the vaccines, in medications, in everything. How much of a risk are we out of these people using any human being to do whatever they want?
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
I think that the goal will be to create a giant global hive mind that you could get anybody within a hive mind to do anything that you want. I'm not saying they can do that but you know we've run a lot of, we've read 60 to 70 globally text over the last 10 years and last year through them something that I, I focus on on my channel amongst other things and I don't know that and I'm not trying to brag, I don't know that anyone else has actually done that, you know at that scale lecturing through dozens and dozens of these tags one of which is brief history, future.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Who's known as the Kissinger of France. And I think he also was mentioned in the files that came up a few times. So this is an important person organized crime structure. And he said back in 2006 in his book Brief History of the Future, we're going to create a global interlinked brain. It will be the golem of Jewish kabbalistic mythology. And we will be able to steer and turn that entity wherever we want it to go. So I think that people that dissent from this will be considered, you know, revolutionaries or counter revolutionaries. They will be considered terrorists. They'll be considered, you know, bio terror threats for not linking into the hive mind. That's how they're going to try to portray it. But your question. I was about pre crime and all that and, and the transhumanists and again, and the reason I brought up Atali is that he has that famous section where he says that the trans humanists are the vanguard of the new world order. And he's very open and candid about how transhumanism and transgenderism, because those things go together, are necessary psychological operations to steer the public into the future. And it's not accidental that they create trans terrorists. I don't think they need to on an individual level, mind control. These people, like you said, in some sort of a facility, they've just released this into the public. So now the public is under mass mind control. Mass. You know, he called it, Malone called it mass formation psychosis. Well, this is just MK Ultra on a, on a mass scale. And you're right, it's not just the imprinting of visual imagery. It's the food, it's the, the vaccinations, it's the media, the toxic media. It's the education system brainwashing people. And it's also an attack on the actual chemistry of the body and its biology and its gender. All of that is part of this overall agenda. And yeah, they absolutely want a potential, everybody to be a potential sleeper cell type of. I mean, there was this movie with Chris Pratt that just came out where he's on trial by the AI. Yep. And the AIs, you know, involved in sort of predictive actuary, you know, Minority Report style crime. But to the movie's credit, it actually did kind of give the impression that, well, this is only going to be as good as the people that code the AI. It's not going to be infallible. And in the film, the AI isn't actually infallible, so.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Well, the people that are coding the AI scare the crap out of me. So I don't mean that like I'm in fear of them. I mean, you. You look at someone like Alex Karp, who says that his biggest fear is Christians and that, you know, he wants to drone strike his enemies and spray them with fentanyl. And now we have these, you know, systems, Palantir systems. Someone like that at the. At the head of this also, we're told he's the front man, you know, integrating into every single system, every single government system. You know, they. They are now talking about. I just saw that they're talking about an executive order to make sure that banks can sort of track whether someone is an illegal immigrant or not. And that. That's, you know, sure really great way of getting illegals out of the country. Guess what else it is. It's the government then being in your bank account, you know, and this is where this is all heading. It's all. I summarized it like this, Jay. I don't know what I said word for word, but I just said, let me summarize the Epstein files for everyone. You have an agenda of people that operate far beyond the governments and the politicians who are leading the world to the Antichrist agenda, which is a world where you can't buy or sell unless you get the mark. And there will be consequences, consequences for your behavior. And it is an economic system. The entire control system that's described to us in the Bible is an economic system of control. And we are clearly being steered towards that. And what these files exposed to us was that the politicians that serve this agenda are simply puppets to get us to that point. So my final question for you, Jay, is what is it that you believe the public needs to be do? No doubt one of the. The solutions here is, is the true church. Because I don't think anything's going to change your thoughts.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, definitely. People should look into orthodox Christianity for sure, and finding a good, solid orthodox church. But also, I mean, on a personal level, beyond that, in terms of surviving in this world, I would stay out of these big cities. I think they're going to get worse and worse. I would. You know, if you want to be involved in politics, that's fine. It's probably more effective at the local level than it is anything international or national. It takes hundreds of Millions, billions of dollars to really affect anything in terms of national politics. So that's really a rich man's game. But you know, I would, I would have, you know, self defense, I would have guns, I would have that kind of stuff. I would have, have. I do believe in bitcoin and again, I see this as a, an attack on bitcoin, not as an exposure of bitcoin. Really the, the attack here is to associate it with Jeffrey Epstein when those associations were really sort of tenuous. They were very early on and they didn't really, really have anything to do with the entire ethos of bitcoin. In fact, the truck that Epstein took was to focus more and more. See, it seems that he was interested in bitcoin and the more he learned about crypt early on was he was interested in something like a cbdc. Yes. And Bitcoin is the opposite of a central bank digital currency. For, for one, it's the opposite first and foremost in terms of whether it's hard money or whether it's inflatable. CBDCs are infinitely inflatable and they will be tracked, tracing, controlled by the central state and inflated to infinity to basically be worthless, depending upon what the government needs at that time. Unfortunately, the Clarity act when it came to crypto and whatnot seems to be ultimately not so much about bitcoin and a strategic reserve, but about stable coins and then stable coins perhaps being a backdoor version of a cbdc. So I think that's the concern here. And all of that by the way, is not Bitcoin. That is all something else. Crypto is usually different. I mean I would say 99.9% of crypto projects are, are tokens and applications and that kind of stuff. And that's not what bitcoin is. Bitcoin is intended to be a monetary protocol. So it's very different from those things. So that's why I think it's good to have that if people want to be involved in gold, they can. I mean, I'm sure it will have some utility as, as things get worse, but I would, I would plan on the legacy things beginning to really break down even further and thus the more independent one can be, the better.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Yeah, I absolutely agree. You know, know where your food comes from, know where your water comes from.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Exactly.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Be as self sufficient as you possibly can and if you have the ability, get out of the big cities for sure and, and just, you know, my, my goal for humanity is to get to a point where they don't need the government and that will, that will certainly help everyone out. I want to bring up your X account at J/D double 07 at J_D double O7. We also have Jay's website which is J's analysis dot com. Bringing that up on screen right now for all of you. Jay's analysis dot com. If you head there and go to the bookshop, you can access all of Jay's books. You've got esoteric Hollywood 1, 2, 3. You've got Hollywood Mind Control, Genesis Explained lectures. Jay does a lot as well on the, the theology front. You can tune into his debates, his YouTube, let everyone else know what else you want to plug. Jay please.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Yeah, you can also find a good bit of comedy too. I write for the Sam Hyde show. We've just pretty much completed the first season of that. This last year was, was pretty epic. We had Dear Elon, Dear Vivek. Viral. Yeah, the Dear Elon got I think somewhere around 10, 20 million views across all the platforms. So yeah, we're having a lot of success with that. So shout out to Sam Hyde and all the wr over there like Ryan and Pat and Brendan. But yeah, so we're going to be doing more of that. I will be doing a whole bunch of slew of podcasts in the, in the next couple months. So I'm going to be in Austin, I'll be in Dallas, I'll be in Vegas, I'll be in LA doing tons and tons of podcasts and some new debates. So look for that coming up in the next couple months. And also in the shop, Jamie's books, my wife's books are in there too. So thank you so much Maria.
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Maria (Interviewer)
Thank you Jay. We really appreciate your time and all your work over the years. You bring this. Thank you. You bring this, this level headedness to this entire situation that is missing in a lot of the people that analyze these files. So we appreciate that and I hope everyone gives you a follow. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.
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Jay Dyer (Guest/Expert)
Appreciate it.
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