The Origins of the CIA & Its Ties to the MIDDLE EAST -Jay Dyer

Summary

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Jay'sAnalysis – The Origins of the CIA & Its Ties to the Middle East

Host: Jay Dyer
Date: March 29, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Jay Dyer dives deep into the shadowy origins of the American intelligence community—namely the OSS and CIA—and explores how wartime and Cold War alliances, particularly with Israel and the Vatican, transformed global geopolitics. Jay examines primary sources, like Burton Hersh’s "The Old Boys," and traces powerful banking and elite networks, detailing their influence on the rise of Western intelligence structures and the ongoing shaping of U.S. foreign policy, especially in the Middle East.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins and True Nature of the OSS & CIA

• Wall Street, not James Bond:
  The intelligence apparatus that became the CIA didn’t arise from glamorous spy stories but from banking elites.

  • “It’s not James Bond, it’s not assassinations, although that does exist. It’s actually a little more boring than that. It’s bankers and Wall Street. That’s the origins of the OSS and CIA.” (03:02)

• Elite Foundations:
  Figures like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers—through alliances, the Federal Reserve, and organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)—were pivotal in creating the intelligence networks.

  • “The Rothschilds helped to found the modern nation state of Israel… influence all the way back to World War I… and the establishment of the Federal Reserve.” (03:22)

• The “Deep State” as Superstructure:
  Dyer discusses the deep state as a hierarchy above politicians, staffed by elite committees and financiers, the real power behind foreign policy and global events.

  • “There’s this entrenched bureaucracy of a deep state which we’ve heard about for many, many years... It was coined in the context of things like Operation Gladio, things like Iran Contra, the funding of terror in other countries.” (05:15)

2. Banking Elites, Religion, and World Governance

• Religious Organizations as Intelligence Cutouts:
  Both the World Council of Churches (WCC) and the Unitarian Universalist Church were manipulated by intelligence agencies as fronts for espionage and propagandizing—often mixing Western and Soviet influences.

  • “World Council of Churches was used even back in WWII to promote socialism against the Reich... OSS spies and operatives all throughout the World Council of Churches for decades.” (16:10)

• Rockefeller and Religious Ecumenism:
  Ecumenical church movements were fostered and funded by Rockefellers to serve globalist agendas, not just religious or moral ideals.

  • “The Vatican has signed on to this... ideology which was founded and funded and started by the Rockefellers.” (14:22)

• Secret Banking Networks:
  Financial instruments like the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and, later, the Vatican Bank, were central to covert funding—especially post-WWII for black ops.

  • “After World War II,... the secretive bank, the BIS... Epstein sent an email... that the Vatican bank was one of the other major secretive banks... that was great for money laundering...” (11:12)

3. British Influence and Special Operations

• Roots in British Intelligence:
  British agencies shaped the early American intelligence model. OSS “X2” division and the Special Operations Executive (SOE), for which Ian Fleming worked, were templates for later CIA black ops.

  • “British intelligence was completely behind the establishment of the OSS and the CIA... the black ops division of British Intelligence was known as X2...” (19:18)

• Fabian Socialism and the Global System:
  Post-WWII order was shaped by Keynesian economics and dominated by Fabian socialism, which masquerades as corporatism or monopoly capitalism.

  • “The globalist institutions... Keynesianism would be the economics of the entire Western world. It is not an Austro economic capitalist free market enterprise. It is... a Fabian socialist top down capital control structure.” (15:00)

4. Intelligence Alliances: Vatican, Israel, Middle East

• James Jesus Angleton and the CIA’s Shift:
  As the Cold War began, Angleton (Rome desk) forged key ties:

  • With the Vatican, via Catholic and pseudo-religious channels, to fight communist infiltration and organize black ops funding.
  • With the Jewish Agency, laying the groundwork for a U.S.-Israeli intelligence axis even before Israel’s official founding.
  • “James Jesus Angleton, key figure... would become the ones that form the alliance with the Vatican and with another important Middle Eastern country that you might have heard of.” (22:30)
  • “Angleton… begins the close alliance between the CIA and what would become Israeli intelligence... at this point it’s called Jewish Agency.” (31:45)

• Use of Nazi Intelligence Networks:
  High-level Nazi intelligence operatives like Reinhard Gehlen (“Gehlen Org”) were absorbed by the CIA, later forming the backbone of West German intelligence (the BND), and some, like Otto Skorzeny, even helped train the Mossad.

  • “Another figure named Otto Skorzeny… immediately went to work for the Mossad… Otto Skorzeny, the famous assassin, super soldier… goes to work with and train the Mossad.” (44:41)

• Operational Funding via Black Markets and Illicit Networks:
  Clandestine activity, e.g., Operation Gladio, was financed off-the-books through covert banking, often involving organized crime figures. Jay repeatedly connects this to similar roles played by contemporary figures like Jeffrey Epstein.

  • “...at the top of that was Rothschilds. And that’s exactly what Gladio, Vatican bank and this book are talking about.” (31:18)

5. The “Deep State” and the Limits of Political Change

• Political Leadership as Surface Level:
  Electoral politics has minimal effect on the entrenched power structure, which is maintained by elites and their bureaucratic apparatus.

  • “That’s why the elections don’t change things. That’s why the Federal Reserve, the IRS, none of that ever changes or goes away.” (42:41)

• Overton Window Manipulation and Demoralization:
  Public opinion and political discourse are carefully engineered and managed by the deep state via media, false flags, and manufactured crises.

6. Memorable Analysis, Impressions, and Pop Culture

• Jay blends his trademark impressions (e.g., Jordan Peterson) with historical analysis to keep the delivery lively and sharp, relating Hollywood predictive programming and media manipulation to intelligence operations.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the banal reality of intelligence origins:

  “It’s actually a little more boring than that. It’s bankers and Wall Street. That’s the origins of the OSS and CIA. Not as sexy as you thought.” – Jay Dyer (03:03)

• On deep state power:

  “There’s this entrenched bureaucracy of a deep state... Politicians answer to not just lobbyists, but steering committees and to people above them.” – Jay Dyer (05:58)

• On Angleton’s strategic alliances:

  “James Jesus Angleton... forms a crucial alliance. Guess what? That also came out in the JFK files...” – Jay Dyer (22:33)

• On globalist religious unity as cover:

  “The Vatican has signed on to this unfortunately in the last several decades... which was founded and funded and started by the Rockefellers.” (14:22)

• On Nazi officers training Israeli intelligence:

  “Otto Skorzeny, the famous assassin, super soldier... goes to work with and train the Mossad. Otto Skorzeny. It’s even in mainstream Israeli news.” – Jay Dyer (44:41)

• On why systemic change is so difficult:

  “You can vote the rascals in and out every few years. But does that change things? It might have an influence if one politician can speak to enough of the masses, but... there’s a giant bureaucratic national security state that’s in place.” (42:41)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:00 – Banking/elite origins of the OSS & CIA
• 05:10 – “Deep state,” real power above politicians, origins of term
• 11:12 – The BIS, Vatican Bank, and secret banking apparatus for black ops
• 14:22 – Ecumenism, religious intelligence cutouts, Rockefeller funding
• 16:10 – OSS and use of World Council of Churches for espionage
• 19:18 – British intelligence, SOE, Ian Fleming, influence on CIA creation
• 22:30 – Formation of the CIA-Vatican-Israeli intelligence axis (Angleton)
• 31:18 – Black ops funding: Gladio, Vatican Bank, Rothschild connection
• 31:45 – Birth of the CIA-Israeli intelligence relationship via Angleton
• 44:41 – Nazi intelligence integration (Gehlen Org, Skorzeny, Mossad)
• 42:41 – Irrelevance of elections, entrenchment of deep state power

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Conclusion

Jay Dyer’s analysis traces the CIA’s true origins—not as a swashbuckling spy agency, but as an instrument of elite financial and geopolitical power. Key alliances—with Israel, the Vatican, and even former fascist intelligence officers—were forged not for democracy or freedom, but as calculated moves in a much older, ongoing struggle among globalist power blocs. Ultimately, Jay argues, the colorful narratives of politics and pop culture serve mainly to distract the public from the real mechanisms of control and influence.

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For further detail and primary source analysis, Jay recommends Burton Hersh’s "The Old Boys" and Carol Quigley’s "Tragedy and Hope."

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Casino if you want to understand why we do what Israel and Bibi Netanyahu would like in the Middle east, it's because of these intelligence alliances that were formed under James Jesus Angleton as an example. Now certainly there were different interests. There were Jewish interests in America prior to Angleton forming an alliance with the Jewish Agency. I'm aware of all that. The Rothschilds helped to found the modern nation state of Israel, and they had a huge amount of influence all the way back to World War I under Colonel Edwin Mandel, House's influence on Woodrow Wilson and the establishment of the Federal Reserve. So yeah, I understand that. But the growing emphasis and power in terms of foreign policy is solidified with these wartime Cold War intelligence alliances. That's what I'm saying. That's why you can't understand the modern world unless you understand this stuff. We've been covering lately. The recent book from the global elite called the Old Boys, Right Burton Hersh's book, the Old Boys, the Origins of the OSS and the CIA. And as you may recall, the origins are not what you would think. It's not James Bond, it's not spy stuff, it's not assassinations, although that does exist. It's actually a little more boring than that. It's bankers and Wall Street. That's the origins of the OSS and CIA. Not as sexy as you thought. It's more of a boring business thing. But they do have divisions of black ops and assassinations. We're going to talk about that today, how that occurs, and we're going to understand exactly how the US Linked up with the Israeli side of things. We know this wasn't really a big thing back in the early days of the U.S. obviously, Israel wasn't a nation yet, although there were Jewish people, of course. But how did the intelligence establishment become closer and closer, aligned with Israel and Israeli interests? And that's what we're going to talk about today as we figure out and pinpoint these specific characters in intelligence history in the CIA who formed this major alliance, moving away from certain Arab alliances, moving away from other countries, kind of like the British Empire did, trying to form alliances at times with Sunnis, with various tribes in the Middle east after Sykes Picot, to divide it up to create the Middle east as we know it today with Israel, with the Gulf states, et cetera. All of that was a product of the British Empire, as we know. We covered that for, you know, countless times over the last few years. But a lot of people, most people have no idea how the OSS and the CIA came to be. And they still probably don't think of it as this entity that has a massive amount of influence throughout the entire Western Hemisphere, throughout the entire world. You could say when we look at these other countries and the revolutions that occur, when we look at what happens in Iran, that couldn't happen without the intelligence establishment, the breakaway national security state, being there to arrange and organize these situations. In fact, when I had a recent debate that got a lot of traction on YouTube and Twitter, I debated a sort of leftist person, Brian Shapiro. And we got really deep into the history of this kind of stuff, because for the normie left mind or the left ish person, they don't think that there is such a thing as the deep state, even though the New York Times wrote an article, thank God for the deep state, because that would supposedly save us from populism. And at that time, of course, Trump was seen as the image of populism. Trump's not doing the things that are that popular right now. And there's a lot of reaction to that. But how do we get into the situation where there's this cabal, this oligarchy, this structure above the politicians that really controls things? People still think that it's the politicians that run everything now. They have obviously a good deal of influence, but politicians answer to not just lobbyists, but steering committees and to people above them. And there's people above the intelligence agencies, the nsc, those, those kinds of entities that were created, National Security Council to manage the intelligence agencies. There's people that created those. Where do they come from? Why do they have so much power? How come we can't just stop the foreign wars or whatever's going on with the Fed, the Federal Reserve, all that? Well, there's this entrenched bureaucracy of a deep state which we've heard about for many, many years. It's a term that actually goes back to the 2000s. It was coined by Peter Gale Scott and a lot of his older critiques of the neocons and the CIA and their operations. He coined that term probably 20, 25 years ago, the deep state. And it was coined in the context of things like Operation Gladio, things like Iran Contra, the funding of terror in other countries. That's the real origins of the term, the deep state. But who is it? Who makes it up? Well, we're about to find out here in a moment as we get into Burton Hirsch's text, the Old Boys. This was a book written in 1992 from the histories of the Council on Foreign Relations archives, from their kind of private history, much like Dr. Carol Quigley's tragedy and Hope. And amazingly, within the first chapter, if you recall, he admits that the key figures of the 20th century are people like John Maynard Keynes, Walter Lippmann, Jean Monet, one of the key founders of the EU and the Fabian socialist elites working at the behest of the Rothschilds to set up the Federal Reserve banking system in the United States under Woodrow Wilson through their legate, Colonel Edwin Mandel House. And if you want to think about legates kind of like that, well, you could think of somebody like Jeffrey Epstein as a recent legate, very similar to the roles and the patterns of action that we see with Epstein and Colonel Edwin Mandel House. Epstein had a role as a kind of organized crime networking figure, kind of a PhD in organized crime. And amongst these characters, they populated these early Fabian socials, populated the inquiry, which is the pre OSS World War I era network of intelligence operatives. Academics, et cetera. But by the time of World War II, which is where we left off last time when we covered this book, there were actually quite a few members of the OSS and CIA that came from Wall Street. As Wall street began to be more and more prominent, as people perfected the techniques of advertising, you had many people who went from banking and Wall street directly into intelligence work and vice versa. When the war ended, they went from the OSS back into working at banks. In fact, the key members of the early days of the CIA, many of them were actually just bankers and Rockefeller representatives. For example, William Stevenson, Wild Bill Donovan were legates and attaches of the Rockefellers. Jeffrey Epstein was a leak of the Rockefellers. What he admits in the Bannon interview, he tells Steve Bannon, he says, I worked for David Rockefeller. They brought me to the council formulation when I was starting. So he's working for Rockefeller as an attache. That's not different than working for the Rothschilds. In fact, those families combined their fortunes years ago, that was in mainstream news, to work together to kind of be a supra super intelligence making establishment that would really run the Western world. And this is why things don't change, is that we continually ignore this and we get distracted with the political WWF wrestling picking your team. Now, I'm not saying that that makes everybody who's a conservative bad or every Democrat. It's more of an issues thing. It's not a cult of personality thing. But the establishment knows, social engineers know that we get really attached to the individuals. And so then when Trump does something that's unpopular, people get disheartened, they get let down. But the whole thing about what we stand on is principle. We don't stand on the cult of personality. And that's why it's really important to stick to the issues and stick to your guns rather than getting caught up in the drama. And every politician is going to do things that you disagree with. That's part of politics. And really, again, this points to the fact that it's going to take more than one politician or one president or one person to actually change things or move the Overton window. We've actually seen quite a bit of positive action in the last several years, moving back towards getting rid of some of the censorship, moving in the direction of beginning to understand good sound money with gold or Bitcoin, moving in the direction of getting away from atheism and nihilism and all this nonsense, and getting back to the idea of God's existence, etc. So we begin to see the open window moving back in the right direction. But the establishment will always use all the same tricks, all the same social engineering, all the same fake flags. A war, a crisis event. Those are their key things that distract, deracinate and demoralize the public. And that's essentially what we're seeing now, is a lot of demoralization because people are disheartened, a lot of people are angry with the Rift and maga. But this is not necessarily a bad thing. We need to actually have these issues come to the fore and figure out, do we want to do everything that Israel wants to do, do we want to chart our own course? Right. And how do we get into this? How do we get in this situation? Again, we said that it was these breakaway intelligence people that are really pulling the strings in the background, and they're doing it at the behest of the bankers. This is everything that we saw with Epstein in the Bannon interview. He tells Bannon, I work for David Rockefeller. I'm his attache. He tells Peter Thiel in the emails, you realize I represent the Rothschilds, I'm their attache, legate, etc. So he's a mouthpiece, the mouth of Sorum. Right. And this structure was set up a long time ago, certainly with the Rothschilds and the Cecil Rhodes Trust and all that. But after World War II, you had a secret banking network that was established. And this was known at that time as the Schroeder Reichsbank bis. The bank for International Settlements was originally the Reichsbank. And after World War II, the gold and the money that had been funneled to support by Western banking interests was done through the secretive bank, the bis. That's not the only secretive bank in the world. In fact, remember, Jeffrey Epstein sent an email to Larry Summers explaining that the Vatican bank was one of the other major secretive banks in the world that was great for money laundering and secret black ops projects, et cetera. That was all Operation Gladio. 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To get back to the rise of the banking elites, one thing we should understand is that ecumenism and the push for a global world religion which most of the Western Protestant organizations are all a part of. The Vatican has signed on to this unfortunately in the last several decades promoting the World Council Churches new National Council of Churches ideology which was founded and funded and started by the Rockefellers. Many people coming out of the Cold War, especially Cold War boomers, they think of this as something that was only a Soviet playground. Now there were many Soviets in the National Council of Churches and World Council Churches. But this is one of those entities organizations that set up to be a pre united or a kind of like a United nations before religion. So they will allow both Western intelligence and Soviet and socialist, Marxist, Fabian Socialist, all of those were allowed to kind of have a playground there at the WCC and the ncc. But keep in mind that entire the entire time this is funded and propped up by the rockfillers, not propped up by Moscow. But just like after The Cold War. If you remember, Gorbachev came to San Francisco and helped set up a new age globalist organization in San Francisco. So there's nothing necessarily antithetical between the Soviet idea of Soviet cosmism and their version of transhumanism and Western international socialism and its version of communism. Remember many of these early elites mentioned in the Burton Hirsch book are just the Fabian socialist elites as legates and frontispieces of the Rothschilds for the last 100 years. H.G. wells, Bertrand Russell, Keir Starmer, they all have the same Fabian socialist ethos. Their primary economist is John Maynard Keynes of Keynesian money printing economic fame. He's exactly why the money system in the entire post Bretton War, Bretton woods, World War II world is the way it is. Because universally it was accepted at the globalist institutions that Keynesianism would be the economics of the entire Western world. It is not an Austro economic capitalist free market enterprise. It is in fact a Fabian socialist top down capital control structure known as you could say corporatism or you could say monopoly capitalism. They're really the same thing. But I found it very fascinating that Bernhardt notes that the World Council of Churches was used even back in World War II to promote socialism against the Reich, against Tiny Mustache Man's version of socialism. And as I read on in the later chapters in the book, they were actually tapping OSS spies and operatives all throughout the World Council of Churches for decades. For example, there was a woman named Emmy Rado. I'd never even heard of her, but she was a spy who was recruited I think by a bill. Frank Wisner. Excuse me, Frank Wisner. The mighty Wurlitzer Wisner master propagandist Frank Wisner. And he tapped Royal Council of Churches operative Emmy Rato to recruit operatives and to do agitprop and essentially propaganda against the Soviets. Because this was at the Beginning of the 1940s and 50s, the beginning of the Cold War, ramping up against Stalin and the nkvd. So they were already utilizing this globalist created institution, the World Council churches in the 1940s for espionage and for soft power, agit, prop, etc. If you remember in the giant Johan Ratio book that we covered about the Milner Fabian conspiracy, he also notes that it was British intelligence who had essentially set up the first head of of the World Council Churches then Vissert Hooft. I think he's a Dutch dude. I know with a name like that you think oh he's got to be Nigerian, he's got to be African. No No, Wim Vissert Hooft is definitely probably Nigerian. I'm joking. He's definitely a Dutch. Now we talk about the bank for International Settlements. That was essentially the German clearinghouse bank that is, that was funding and getting the money to Tiny Mustache man through the Schroeder bank for the Reich. And so when people say there's no evidence that Western banking elites funded Tiny Mustache man, that is made up. He is a hero. That's coming from the Council of Foreign Relations people who are looking at the BIS archives. So that's where they're getting it. And one of the key funders and users of the BIS was JP Morgan. And JP Morgan was a Rothschild attache cutout in America. People think, oh, the Roswells didn't really have banking power in America. No, they did have banking power in America. It was their front called JPMorgan Chase. Now as we move through the early chapters, first hundred pages, he notes that British intelligence was completely behind the establishment of the OSS and the CIA. The OSS would become the CIA, right. So the early version of a secret team, which was the black ops division of British Intelligence was known as X2. X2 was the special Intelligence or the secret intelligence branch involved in espionage, assassinations, false flags. And one of the key figures that would come out of the American version of X2, because British intelligence, when they came over here, they set up in Canada and in America the intelligence structure that would become what we know of as the OSS and CI today. But they created also divisions. And for example, the British had During World War II the Special Operations Executive. This is what Ian Fleming was involved in doing these operations that would in many ways influence the James Bond stories. But the Secret Team, if you remember Colonel Fletcher Prouty's book Secret Team, which is very influential in terms of JFK and say Oliver Stone's theories about jfk, a lot of that comes out of books like Colonel Fletcher Proudies, the Secret Team, who was a part of this CIA secret team that's based on X2. Right. Again, it sounds like X Men comic book stuff. And that's kind of what it is. Or at least the comic books are based on this stuff. Now During World War II, I thought this was funny. The mealy mouth believe nothing Unitarian Universalist Church was actually used by the OSS to run espionage operations. I thought that was classic, right? What better thing to use than something innocuous like the nowadays Trans promoting Unitarian Universalist Church. Their relief organization was really just an OSS cutout. So again, are you Noticing a pattern here. World Council churches used by the oss. CIA, used by British Intelligence and used by Soviets. Unitarian Universalist relief operations used by the OSS. This is page 100. Starting to notice a pattern of these religious organizations being cutouts. And yet who knows and thinks about religious organizations as cut out. Not many people, although everybody kind of thinks about this when they think of church in Russia during the Cold War. The bunch of KGB people they call the kgb, everybody knows this. The goober boomers think of this as, oh, it's a kgb. Oh, but what about all the gay CIA churches in the West? Does that exist? Now? One of the excuses that was used for the globalist institutions about, you know, global economic stuff, the World bank, the imf, the United Nations, World Council churches. It's always the same excuse. If we don't set up a global institution that runs everything, the Soviets will, the bad guys will. If we don't run the crime in the black markets, the bad guys will. So wait a minute. If we don't run, the bad guys. Stop. If we don't be the bad guys, the bad guys will be bad guys. Right?

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Well, it turns out they're going to be the ones that form the alliance with the Vatican and with another important Middle Eastern country that you might have heard of, James Jesus Angleton, the Israelio file forms a crucial alliance. Guess what? That also came out in the JFK files, didn't it? Yeah, it did. Now, if you know, Post World War II, the Morgenthau Plan was set up to brainwash and control Germany and they created re education camps to make Germany a agricultural state rather than a engineering powerhouse at the same time as the Tiny mustache man. People lost World War II. There were secret networks still in place and banking structures still in place that allowed money to be hidden, to be stashed and to be laundered and sent to unknown places. Some of that we don't even know today where it went went. But many people think there was a connection between the relationship that Dulles, Allen Dulles of CIA fame, also a Council on Foreign Relations fame that he formed with the Vatican early on, like Donovan and like Colby and like Angleton, that he formed this Dulles Vatican alliance under Pius xii together with ll Limnitzer of Operation Northwoods fame and former grand commander, head of NATO. In other words, that's false flags and that's also gladio. OSSCI said, we've got to together with the papacy, we've got to set up this alliance. And this again is where we get the intimate connection between the Vatican and the Western intelligence apparatus and superstructure. Now Angleton says now that World War II is happening, we're going to go into this Cold war is done and we're going to go into this Cold war. According to Hirsch, it was full scale Cold war only by 1945, even though they'd already kind of had this national security memoranda that were beginning to kick off the Cold War. Angleton has this interesting idea that certain networks must be tapped. And I'm going to get to the really fascinating figures that he mentions, but one of those that you might not expect three of these, you might not expect all three of these are going to, I think, surprise you because if you buy my new book, by the way, I have a section on this in my new book, Esoteric Hollywood. Three signed [e-mail] in the shop. Over a thousand pages. Now that I've written from a infotainment, edutainment, somewhat scholarly but readable perspective for you to understand how real the movies actually are. Predictive programming. You saw, for example last week, Roger Avery, Pulp Fiction fame, Quentin Tarantino. Right, Quentin Tarantino. You saw Roger Avery of Quentin Tarantino fame come out and say, hey, Hollywood is predictive programming. It's revelation, the method, it's real. I couldn't believe that he said that on Joe Rogan, one of the. The co writer, maker of the biggest, one of the biggest movies of all time. Because they, of course, Hollywood's a pretty. I wrote the book on this 10 years ago, sir. Hollywood one came out 10 years ago, 2016 on predictive programming. And here you have top of Hollywood saying, oh yeah, Jay Dyer was Right. Me didn't mention my name, but he's saying, like, yeah, that's what it is. I wrote over a thousand pages on this in the last 10 years. So I feel vindicated. I'm about to pop my collar. Ever since I can't remember popping my collar. I'm popping my collar now that I'm vindicated, dog. Now, Carl Jung. Everybody knows Carl Guy Young, right? You've all heard of Jordan Peterson, I think, right? No. Well, you know, it's like. It's like Carl Young, you know, like, you get in there with the archetypes, you know, and then you. You dig around in there and you find a bunch of muck underneath the bed. There's gummy be. You know, there's old chicken nuggets or who knows? But that's. That's actually your soul down there. You know, it's like, are you going to find your dad under the bed? I don't know. Bloody hell. You know, Jordan Peterson is the new Carl Young, right? Literally says that I am a new, you know, teacher of the Jungian archetypal ethos. Well, guess what? Carl Jung worked for the OSS. Do you know he was a spy? He was Agent 4. 8 8. OSS. Agent 488. And the communiques between Carl Jung and Alan Dulles have all been declassified. And that this book hints at this. Even though this book was written before those things, I think, were declassified. You can kind of read between the lines and say, hey, it turns out no, Tiny Mustache man was not working with Carl Jung. Many people thought that Carl Jung was a devotee of the Tiny Mustache Man. No, he was actually working explicitly to provide intelligence to Allen dulles and the OSS during World War II. Now, I've got some awesome insights and revelations coming up that you're gonna, I think, find to be delectable little dainties of information. But don't go anywhere. I'm your host, Darius Rucker of Hootie and the Blowfish. Jay dyer of Jay's analysis.com Guys, look, I know a lot of y' all listen to this. A lot of y' all are out there and you just sit. I want you to take action because I'm almost at 200,000 subscribers on YouTube. And if all y' all took some action and got a little sassy and decided to get up and get me to 200,000, look at that. I'm almost at 200,000. You know how hard I've worked on YouTube to try to get the 200,000 against censorship, against demonetization for five years against the algorithm. So go subscribe to me, please, on YouTube. Help me get to 200k. I'm so close, bro. And who else does a Jordan Peterson like that? In the midst of all these other impressions singing the Triple Six Mafia song. Then I go to Jordan Peterson. Then I go to whoever. Nobody else does that. Lecturing through 600 page books. Come on now. Who else is doing this other than Alex? Not that many people. So you got to support us. I saw Coinbase sending out messages for sports betting and a bunch of y' all out there wasting your time. Sports betting, dude. What? You need to get engaged in the real battle, not stupid ass sports betting. Wasting your money on sports betting. What? What a scam, dude. But look, I know the economy is bad. I know people are hurting. So they think, oh, I'll go bet on the Sports Hole if I put my money on the black dude team versus the black dude team. Because they run in circles really fast and they sweat a lot. I make a lot of money on Sports Hole. It's a waste of your time. It's all social engineering. Anyway. We were talking about The World War II networks and establishment of the breakaway national security superstructure.

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I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

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And guess what? This character of James Jesus Angleton decided that after World War II, after forming the Vatican alliance, and he was in rome at the CIA's Rome desk, or OSSCA Rome desk as it became the CIA, they got much more sophisticated, got much more funding, they got much more streamlined and set up a bunch of different divisions dedicated to black ops. And you got to fund black ops. Well, again, go watch Eagle 2, which was the video breakdown, that excellent, excellent breakdown from Harrison Smith on this topic of secret funding. And of course, at the top of that was Rothschilds. And that's exactly what Gladio, Vatican bank and this book are talking about. That they didn't know the term, they weren't using the name. But this is all the same thing. It's referencing the same operations and how these breakaway security state apparatchiks were set up. In fact, it was funny that when the CIA was actually set up, when it was first bird out of the OSS, this was memorandum JCS 1181, the birth of the CIA. You may have heard of Father Coughlin. Y' all remember this fiery Roman Catholic, Irish Roman Catholic priest back in the day that used to have a pretty heated radio show. And he was, I think, part of America first back then, which was, let's not get involved in foreign entanglements, let's not get involved In World War II, all this kind of stuff. Father Coughlin's radio broadcast was very popular and was broadcast out to many Protestant and Catholic listeners. And interestingly, on the broadcast, Coughlin said the New Deal coming out of the fdr. New Deal, New Deal has plans to set up a spy organization to spy on Americans. It's a super Gestapo agency under consideration. This is what Father Coughlin was reading out to his listeners. And he said a key member setting this up, this is something you don't ever hear, was Fabian Socialist Judge Felix Frankfurter. Now, I knew that Felix Frankfurter was a Fabian Socialist Supreme Court judge, but I didn't know that he had this intimate connection with the establishment of the transition from OSS to caa. But that's exactly what he says here. And this is also where right at the same time, Dulles sets up Operation Sunrise, which is secret meetings occurring in Europe between the OSS and the Tiny Mustache man elites. And who's organizing these meetings? Wall Street. Wall Street. Dulles and the Tiny Mustache man people. And again, as we said, not too long after this, the OSS is converting into becoming the CIA a much more streamlined, sophisticated, funded operation. And who's running that? Bankers, CEOs Avril Harriman, Alan Dulles, Bill Donovan, John McCloy. And they all decide that it's time for the Cold War. We gotta scare the crap out of everybody with Stalin and his nkvd. And so if we're going to fight Stalin, the nkvd, we got to have a giant Fabian socialist, super secretive Gestapo to fight the Soviet nkvd. So are you noticing a pattern of the excuse says we got to do all this evil stuff because they'll do it. So we're going to be evil to fight the evil. So the nsc, under the direction of Council and Foreign Relations members like John J. McCloy, set up the CIA. In fact, the earliest heads of the CIA, many of them were not just Fabian socialists, they were also members of the Council on Foreign Relations. So you see, these are not different groups. They're the same people in the same steering committees. Now, they decided that the best place to tap for recruits would be universities like Notre Dame, Eastern Seaboard schools like Yale, Harvard, Princeton, and particularly out of the Skull and Bones, the secret society. Because Skull and Bones then would become a kind of test tube, a petri dish to grow potential candidates for OSS and CIA operations to engage in the new World War of 1947. The World War, excuse me, 1942-2047, kicking off with the Cold War, as we mentioned, this character, James Jesus Angleton, earlier coming out of the X2 Special Operations, Black ops stuff. Angleton is appointed to the CIA desk in Rome and he forges a close alliance with Pius xii while also working with a pornographer named Vincent Scappolini. Scapperini, as a porn maker, was also working closely with and aligned with a lot of Vatican figures. And he would pass Vatican intelligence to Angleton. And Angleton decides, you know what? It's time as we begin this Cold War, to forge all the alliances that we could with people that we think might not like Stalin. And prior to this, of course, the CIA, the oss, had a closer relationship with Stalin, as you may know, out of World War II, against tiny mustache Man. And guess what? Reinhard Galen, the intelligence runner, establishment figure for what's called Galen Org, which was German intelligence throughout World War II that had set up their networks throughout Europe. It was a very efficient and very effective intelligence network. Well, when Galen was taken in by the west, by the CIA, they said, give us all your Intelligence networks. You're going to work for us. Now this becomes the bnd. The German intelligence comes out of Galen. Org and is essentially restructured then and run by the CIA and has been ever since. By the way, remember Udo Ulfkotta, the German journalist From I think 10 years ago, went on RT and a bunch of interviews and said, the CIA still runs the media in Germany and I'm tired of it. I don't want to promote the vase. And then Udo was not alive much longer after that. You can still find the interviews on YouTube. But this alliance between the Vatican, this cutout that they create called Pro Deo in Rome, it gives the idea to Angleton to say, you know what, there's also this agency called the Jewish Agency in the Middle east because of the waves of Jewish migrants and immigrants to the Middle East. They had begun to form this Jewish Agency. He said, we're going to tap that for intelligence. So it's James Jesus Angleton that begins the close alliance between the CIA and what would become Israeli intelligence eventually. It's not yet Assad, but at this point it's called Jewish Agency. This is also a bunch of proto, sort of pro, what we call Zionist today. I mean, Zionism goes back to the 1850s, 60s with Moses has. But at this time the intelligence structure there is called, just called the Jewish Agency. And this is the idea that Angleton has to forge a close relationship. He says, I'm getting all of these Vatican stolen Vatican intelligence reports. But the best idea for the future, Angleton says, was to also set up an intelligence network with the future Zionist state. So he had a projection that it was most likely the case that the UN would recognize Israel in 1948 after World War II, that they would set up a Jewish state and that the CIA would have its best chance to put up a buffer against Stalin through this alliance with the Jewish Agency. Stalin also, of course, booted several rabbis and Jews, if you know this history during the Cold War. And so many of those people fled to Israel. And that's why, for example, Putin said the other day that there are many Russian Jews in Israel. In fact, there's a ton. So his argument was if he were to attack Israel, he would be attacking Russians, Russian Jews. So now MI6 and French intelligence also worked closely with the Vatican. We always talk about Gladio and the CIA in the Vatican, but not many people talk about French intelligence and their networks working together with the Vatican, supposedly, what, against the Reds. Now this is interesting because nobody knows about, except if you're Serbian. The creation of the. They're called Templars. This is kind of larpy and crazy, but they actually did fight. They were called Templars underneath Dr. A Pavlovit Pavlick and they created a organization called the Ustasha. And the Ustasha are far right anti orthodox tiny mustache man soldiers under this intermarium, it was called of a network against the Soviets, but also they hated the Orthodox. And the Ustasha engage in attacks, engage in murder, engaged in all kinds of things, supposedly to fight the communists. Now I'm sure that to a degree they did fight the communists. But what's interesting about the analysis that Burton Hirsch gives most people say, well, the Ustasha were just fascists that were basically against anybody who was Orthodox, anybody who was Russian, anybody who was Soviet. He says that the Ustasha were working in league with Pius XII's Vatican. Yugoslav refugee organization stirred to the west with reports of rebels brewing amongst the opponents of Tito who escaped into the forest. They were backed by growing discontent of the workers. A Ustasha based anti communist movement called the Crusaders claimed widespread sabotage and attacks. The Vatican was the center of this command. In fact special agents including Tyler redick

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Hey, how's it going today?

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I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

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Operatives working out of the Vatican all were exposed when this came out because turns out the Vatican had a huge role in this. And if you're Orthodox, it's not about Tito and the Communists. Obviously we would disagree. The communists persecute Orthodox Church, Orthodox Christians as well. But the point is that, hey, wait a minute, why is the Vatican supporting this military operation to kill Orthodox? And why did they beatify Cardinal? I always say his name wrong. Cardinal Stepanik. Stepanok. So the Vatican has beatified one of these massacre Ustasha people, but you can begin to see that, well, the Vatican is a giant intelligence operation. It's a banking geopolitical intelligence operation. It's not primarily a religious organization. Once you figure that out, then it's like, okay, well now I understand what the Vatican is. But that's important because that begins to forge the alliances and the superstructure that we still have today in the West. Which explains why the Vatican pushes the World Economic Forum, United nations agenda is because at this time they had become linked at the hip under the excuse of, well, tiny mustache man. But then mainly the Cold War. Well, if we're going to fight the Communists, John Paul ii, you got to be sharing intelligence with the CIA. You're going to have to be meeting with Kissinger, Colby, et cetera, regularly. And this goes back to Paul vi. Paul VI would meet with Kissinger regularly. Now that's not just for diplomatic, you know, friendly, we're going to be friends reasons. That's because it's an intelligence operation. It's the Cold War. And the point is you saying the Communists are good. Every time I talk about this, low tier dialectics comes to the floor. You think the comments are good then? No, no, what I'm saying is that if you want to understand why the Vatican has taken the course that it has today, this is why. Because it became subservient to these interests, to these Western intelligence, globalist interests. If you want to understand why we do what Israel and Bibi Netanyahu would like in the Middle east, it's because of these intelligence alliances that were formed under James Jesus Singleton as an example. Now, certainly there were different interests. There were Jewish interests in America prior to Angleton forming an alliance with the Jewish Agency. I'm aware of all that. The Rothschilds, right, helped to found the modern nation state of Israel and they had a huge amount of influence all the way back to World War I under Colonel Edwin Mandel House's influence on Woodrow Wilson and the establishment of the Federal Reserve. So yeah, I understand that. But the growing emphasis and power in terms of foreign policy is solidified with these wartime Cold War intelligence alliances. That's what I'm saying. That's why you can't understand the modern world unless you understand this stuff. And so we have essentially at 1913 a Federal Reserve takeover of this network, this roundtable network. Only a few years later you get the Rockefeller foundation or the Family setting up the 1920s, the Council on Foreign Relations. That's the superstructure above the intelligence networks. That's where you get nsc, OSS and CA out of the CFR people. All the original heads were CFR people. That's based on the British intelligence roundtable groups. So we have essentially a Wall street banking takeover of the country basically a hundred years ago or more. That's why the elections don't change things. That's why the Federal Reserve, the irs, none of that ever changes or goes away. The politicians come and go. And I'm not saying that everything Trump did was bad, but there's limits to what one dude can do because there's a giant bureaucratic national security state that's in place that is so it's organized like a giant organized crime onion. And Jeffrey Epstein is not the first Bond villain to be an organized crime mastermind. Now I think he was a suede, he wasn't a mass, a great philosophy mind. He wasn't some tech genius like he thought he was. He thought he was like a genius, like a savant and everything. But one thing he was good at was networking on organized crime struct structures. He was really good at figuring out the black markets and how to run those and to meet with heads of state and how to blackmail people and how to organize all that. Well, that's not new. Colonel Edward Moundell House was doing that same thing 100 years ago. So we have a banking Wall street takeover and you can vote the rascals in and out every few years. But does that change things? I mean it might have an influence of one politician can speak to enough of the masses, but the masses are unfortunately pretty dumb and it takes a long time to pull the over to window back. What does Osho say? Osho's a cult leader. But at least cult leaders can be right like a clock. Now we were talking about the takeover of the networks a minute ago. And when the Nazi networks were taken over, some of those figures immediately just wrapped over into working for Western intelligence and the CIA like the Galen Org reinhardt Galen, his whole organization of Nazi spies throughout Europe. And also, by the way, in the US there were Nazi spies who had set up some espionage networks in America. Well, it turns out that another figure named Otto Scorzeni, who was a very adept rifleman and assassin for the ss. I think it was ss. If not, he was one of the top assassins for. Well, he immediately went to work for the Mossad. Yes, you heard me correct. Otto Skorzeny, the famous assassin, super soldier. I'm joking. Goes to work with and train the Mossad. Otto Skorzeny. It's even in mainstream Israeli news. The SS hitman who went to work and trained the Mossad, and Reinhard Galen worked with the Mossad. So the CIA, British intelligence, and the former went and helped establish and set up Israel's intelligence apparatus and superstructure. Now, I say that to enrage all of the idiotic pagan worshipers out there who. When I was on with Alex six months ago and I talked about the banking funding of being a stooge and being a tool and being used as a pawn, and these people went insane on Twitter. Just hundreds of thousands of. Well, it got millions of views and just losing their mind. Well, I'm giving you another example of the absurdity of this. With your SS heroes like Reinhard Galen and Oscar Zani. Well, they're going to train and work with Mosad. So how do you explain that, all you Hitler worshipers? So again, there's a higher level to this stuff and to be, you know, so low tier as to sort of larp as if you're going to resurrect Hitler and stuff like this online, it's just. It's just stupid. It's really kind of ignorant. But one interesting thing that I thought was funny in the later chapters, when the OSS and the CA were setting up their spy networks in Germany, in Austria, in Babelsbach. No, in. Forget the name of the city. Bibach. Biber, Austria. They set up a spy hub inside of an old champagne warehouse. And then another cutout they set up was in a brothel in Romania. Frank Wisner, who had. Apparently, I didn't know this until I read this book. Frank Wisner, the mighty Wurlitzer propaganda master who was involved in Mockingbird, might have heard of Operation Mocking World. Turns out Wisner set up a espionage operation in Romania out of Madame Niti's whorehouse. But I thought Western intelligence didn't do that stuff. I thought we didn't use. Oh, well, they don't do it directly. They contract out to the madams and the. So you see? So it's not actually the CIA doing this thing. It's. It's the CIA contracting out to Jeffrey Epstein. See how we don't do that. The Western intelligence doesn't do these bad things. Well, they just contracted out to people like Jeffrey Epstein. So Frank Wisner, also a massive high level Council on Foreign Relations member. He's the next age, the next era after the Dulles and the Donovans. The main figure becomes this character, Frank Wisner. And Wisner studied British censorship and intelligence. All that stuff that 1984 talks about Eric Blair, Orwell talks about that British intelligence was so adept at because they were Fabian socialists. That book is about Fabian socialism. Remember, he works in the Ministry of Information to censor. He edits history. He creates fake news. That's o'. Brien. That's Winston's job in 1984 is to create fake news. Right. Well, that technique was taught to Frank Wisner, who then set up our Operation Mockingbird to buy off thousands of journalists, or maybe it's hundreds, hundreds of journalists throughout the world so that the entire global Western media could be fake and gay back in the Cold War. And it was fake and gay since the Cold War. Now guys, we go deep into this stuff. We go deep, homeboy, to quote Sam Tripoli. And we are covering this book right now. We're past halfway. And if you want to get access to information no one else covers and subscribe to jsanalysis.com in the shop. 10 years of archives of books like this. We also debate the atheists, the Muslims, etc. You name it.

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