C (2:36)

Yeah. And you've been covering this one for years. I mean, when did it come on your radar, this whole Epstein story?

B (2:43)

I think I heard this first from a Ben Swan report on RT. I want to say maybe around 2016. And then, you know, his name eventually got tied to the 4chan information coming out. That would be eventually pizzazz gate, whatever we can or can't say here. But you know what I'm talking about. That morphed into the disinformation operation known as Q Chan or excuse me, qtard stuff on 4chan, I should say. And so it was around that time that I first heard about him. And then Alex covered it pretty significantly for a good while in regard to the Lolita Express, which was the first, I think, big mainstream news story that broke with high profile people, celebrities, academics, CEOs flying on the planes and reportedly being compromised in the Mile High club. So that was what everybody kind of thought it was originally and then it was a lot of Clinton information and it was kind of connected adjacent to WikiLeaks back in 2016, 17, 18. So that was my first exposure to it.

C (3:44)

Yeah, a long time. Watson was the first person I ever saw cover that. I think he did a video way back even before maybe Epstein was even arrested. Like talking about, talking about Epstein Island. So yeah, a few people were onto this early, early days. But yeah, guys, so we're going to be going through all of that, the history of it. Who is Jeffrey Epstein? And then some of the more nefarious things. We're going to get into the banking, the Rothschilds connection, the connection with old school money, Rothschilds and then new tech. We're going to get into his obsession with eugenics and Peter Nygard and the, the use of, what would you call it, the use of blood plasma stem cells to. For the fountain of youth. It's, it's all. And then we're going to get into the theory of is. Could. Could Jeffrey still be alive? So it should be an entertaining one today guys. Um, if you do want to leave a super chat, we will read them out in intervals between topics. Leave Jay a question, whatever you want to ask him. If you go on stream elements which should be pinned in the comments in the chat there then YouTube doesn't take any chats and if it's anything over a hundred, then it is tts. So we'll just pop up on screen and it will be an immediate question read. So I guess Jay, just. By the way, guys, like the video on the way and if you could just smash that like button helps us out Enormous, enormously, if you do that, because it is a touchy subject on YouTube and they do tend to put this one on the back burner. So, Jay, let's start off with just who is Jeffrey Epstein? Because I think one of the things that this, these files have actually elucidated for people is that Jeffrey Epstein is not some little guy who was a pawn. And even I thought that for a little while maybe he was just some guy who's been used as a pawn. He's not very powerful himself and he's maybe a fall guy and there are much bigger people than him. But for those wondering who exactly is he and what role does he play in this whole entire international trafficking, espionage, blackmail organization.

B (5:47)

I think the best description is that he's kind of like a Bond villain, but not at the top of the pyramid. So he's kind of a mid level fixer consultant and my estimation would be an organized crime PhD. There are actually people in the world of organized crime and cartels and whatnot who do specialize in the ability to network and finance and organize things. For example, one thing that helps to understand Epstein is to understand the world of the mafia and organized crime. And I've done a lot of research in that subject over the years and on my stream right before this, we were covering an interview with Meyer Lansky and a lot of people don't know that the famous gangster Meyer Lansky was actually organizing and helping Lucky Liciano to set up the structure of the Sicilian Mafia in America. So it's actually the Tony Sopranos that would kind of go to people like Sidney Korshak and Meyer Lansky to get the overall structure, the connections and networking. In fact, even Murder Inc. The famous Guild of Assassins, was originally part of the Jewish Mafia and then sort of combined with the Sicilian Mafia. So if we understand the way that those kinds of criminal networks work, it's very insightful. I think in the understanding Epstein's international criminal network, it has a very why.

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B (7:59)

Day interlinked powerful global structure that maybe a lot of mafias only have in a region. So I think expand Meyer Lansky internationally and you really understand Epstein. But I think you're right that he's not the top of the of the the pyramid. There's certainly people that seem to be in many emails giving him orders, giving him permission to assassinate people, etc, but he was very powerful because the second day some of the messages and emails that came out included an organizing like a planning, a day planner that had him meeting about 15 heads of state throughout the entire world, 15 different countries. And you know you're not doing that unless you have a lot of power. We have him one month before Zelensky comes to power, he's in Ukraine. He flies over there after emails with are in a de Rothschild saying we can profit from this chaos and destabilization. We're able to go in and buy it up. We see him asking to actually Zelensky asking to get the attention of Epstein for consultation, advice and purposes. So he seems to be kind of like a fixer consultant, international Blofeld figure. But he's not at the top of the pyramid. Certainly there's people above him and people have way more wealth than him. But he's definitely liaisoning and being a legate of the Rothschilds and perhaps Israel at various degrees. He's consulting Ehud Barak, former Prime Minister of Israel on how to get Peter Thiel into the web to get him on their side as well as other companies, corporations. And so it's pretty much all of the worst stuff that you could think of. But it's all now verified, but it's not new. This is something that people should understand that I've really been hammering home this week is we've covered historical texts that deal with the history of blackmail, honey traps, sexpionage. That's always gone on. It's just that I think nowadays with tech and sophistication, in terms of globalization, it's a lot more integrated and a lot more scientific, believe it or not, in terms of how they do even organized crime in these operations. So it's all of that.

C (10:10)

Yeah. Who do you think sort of sits above him then? If you're saying that he's like taking orders from people, is it people like Leslie Wexner or is it the governments and the intelligence agencies that he's working for?

B (10:22)

Great question. You know, in the case of Maxwell, Maxwell I think is a really important person to look to. Robert, I'm saying, because Robert Maxwell was the front for the Rothschilds back during the Cold War, at least one of the fronts. He was part of a publishing empire with Maxwell Publishing and Pergamon Press. In fact, they actually published that global elite text changing Images of Man that we covered a few weeks ago on Alex Jones. That got a lot of traction. That was published by Epstein, but I mean, by Maxwell, but Maxwell was part of a cutout of an empire of billions of dollars of publishing. But he was also really working for British intelligence initially, everybody thought. And he was. And he was brought into that and sort of coached by Victor Rothschild. And Victor Rothschild was famously British intelligence. But a lot of people even years ago were writing books in terms of the espionage world, speculating that in the Cambridge spy ring case, where there's this, the suspicious, mysterious missing person of the Cambridge spy ring. And for those that don't know, during the Cold War, this is a bunch of British intelligence agents who famously flipped and defected to the Soviet Union. And by the way, most of them, or all of them were actually gay. So they had a lot of intelligence agents who famously flipped. And I'm hearing myself.

C (11:40)

Oh, sorry, yeah, right.

B (11:42)

So base. So, long story short, the reason this matters is that those British intelligence operatives like Kim Philby and guy Burgess and McLean and Blunt, they flipped and became Soviets and went to Russia because they'd actually been blackmailed by unknown Soviets and intelligence operatives. But people have speculated that that person doing the blackmail might have actually been Lord Rothschild this whole time. We don't know for sure, but it seems like it. And another indicator that that that might be the case is that the person who really coached and trained just Lane and Robert was perhaps Rothschild himself, Lord Victor Rothschild out of the uk. So if that's the case, then now we can understand that this is an older operation that's just sort of copied and pasted for the next generation. So Ghislaine and, and Robert, or excuse me, just Lane and Epstein sort of take that over. And so they bring Epstein in, right? So he's not part of any blue blood family. They bring that up in the, in the Bannon interview, you know, he says he's just, just a regular Jewish guy, but he's recruited him because he seems to have certain talents and abilities. It's still debated how mathematical and scientifically savant he really was. I get a lot of indications of being a sued from that Bannon interview that he wasn't actually as, as intelligent as he comes off, but he is really skilled at networking, consulting and crime. And there are actual people that have the equivalent of like PhDs in criminal organizations, believe it or not. So I would say that's what he is. And when you look at Maxwell and the background, it's a copy paste operation that suggests foreign heads of state. Rothchilds, another, I would say would be especially Mossad, for example. I know we're not going to focus on that, but that's relevant because of Maxwell again, because there was that very, very insightful email from Jeffrey that he's explaining the reason that Robert Maxwell was assassinated was that while he was working for British intelligence in the Mossad, he was also selling secrets and giving information to the Soviets. So he's playing both sides of the Cold War, something that I've highlighted for a long time with people like Armand Hammer and people like Lord Victor Rothschild playing both sides. Well, Maxwell apparently tried to do that and he tried to extort the Mossad for £400 million. And so he had appointed himself as the attache without being asked to do so, apparently for Israel to the Soviet Union. And Israel resented that.

C (14:06)

So I think that he found himself in the water.

B (14:09)

Exactly. He found himself in the water falling.

C (14:12)

Off the boat accidentally.

B (14:13)

Right, exactly. Yeah. And so I think that those are indicators of people who, you know, people in that higher billionaire, multibillion dollar class. I think we're definitely above Epstein. Nobody really knows how much money he had. Definitely Leslie Wexner plays a key role in probably being above Epstein in these kinds of operations. And, and also remember, Epstein is brought in originally through Bill Barr of the oss. And so this is an oss, CIA, kind of early stage recruiting, bringing in, grooming process. But he also liaisons and works with other intelligence agencies too. As Whitney Webb points out, he has multiple passports, which again indicates most likely some sort of intelligence pedigree. And now that the emails have come out, I think that's 100% confirmed.

C (14:59)

So what do you think it is about these new emails that really specifically point to intelligence? Because before this we had lots of associations with government figures. For example, you had Ehud Barack and his very close relationship with him. You've obviously got Robert Maxwell, who you mentioned before, Ghislaine obviously being his daughter. What is it about these emails? That really sort of highlight that.

B (15:24)

There'S a lot. First thing I would say is in terms of the background, you know, being brought into these, you know, certain schools and certain private academies and whatnot, being room to then be put into Wall Street. One odd, odd indicator is the fact that when he went to Bear Stearns and was involved in insider trading, his partner Hoffman or Hofstadter, whatever it is, that that guy went to jail. But Epstein did not get any, any trouble. So I think that's a little suspicious. Maybe there was some deal cut, something like that. A lot of people have called attention to that. And then it's sort of immediately he's brought just a scale of operations and connections that just really don't make sense with the background that he originally had. And then they seem to have concocted a legend. And in the spy world, people that have a shady background or a made up background, it's called a legend. Which gives you the story of oh, I'm this, I'm a money manager, hedge funds, I handle billions of dollars. And that may or may not be true, right? So but it might be part of your, your back, your background, cover or story. And then he's immediately connected in the circles of famous weapons traffickers like Adnan Khashoggi. And this little side note, Khashoggi's yacht was also set up with surveillance equipment. Was involved in a famous case of bringing in underage, I think Pakistani prostitutes back in the 80s or 90s. Whitney Webb highlights that in the first couple chapters. But so those connections and associations right away, having multiple passports right away. When Acosta, the lawyer from the, from Florida was, was involved in this case, he was originally told when he was looking into this, let Epstein go. He's intelligence. So we already had a lot of these indicators coming out. And we have Ari Bin Minashi who was a former Mossad operative, telling many, many news outlets over the last several years that obviously of course Epstein was Mossad. So you've got a lot of testimonies, a lot of evidences. But I think now that the emails and the files have come out, we have everything from Epstein giving money to the idf. Epstein essentially directly working many, many times. Even mainstream media reported that hehood Barack visited his mansion dozens of times, 16 maybe, something like that in New York. Very close associations working with Ehud Barack. We've all heard this phone call I think now about how to get Peter Thiel involved. I mean everything about this just totally, I think screams, you know, that there's the ban in Exchanges where he says all roads lead not to China but the Tel Aviv. I mean you can just keep going on and on. And it also again bears all the similarities and patterns of the Maxwell operation. And little side note, my buddy Mark Hackard, he's an analyst of espionage history and whatnot, a translator and he translated a KGB colonels Cold war era assessment of Maxwell. And he put this up maybe seven or eight years ago and it was really fascinating take to see the Soviets attitude from their generals and colonels as to what they understood Maxwell to be. And they pictured him as a person trying to play both sides of the Cold War and that they thought he was selling secrets to the Soviets as he was trying to blackmail Western intelligence and the Mossad. And that's exactly what happened. So ironically the, the Soviet account of Maxwell seems to have been vindicated and correct here as well. And that's according to Jeffrey's testament which you know, perhaps just Jeffrey was lying or he didn't know but that seems to make the most sense. Again that indicates I think you know, high level Israeli operation to a degree, but also CIA as well. We shouldn't leave that out because I think as Mike Benz showed in several emails, Epstein was using, you know, former CIA planes, flying them for many decades without any problem. He also seemed to have Department of Justice or State Department. I forget Whitney Webb has a chapter on this. He stayed at a place, an apartment owned by or had that had that was a Department of State like property. Why was he allowed to stay at property and to do things seemingly at an international state level even after being, you know.

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So I think a lot of those that, a lot of that above the law stuff also suggests intelligence capabilities. And again, you can with the relationship of Western intelligence through the five eyes and this kind of stuff, like you can be multiple, you can work for multiple agencies, so to speak.

C (21:08)

Yeah. One thing I did notice about his interviews post arrest was that he always seemed very unconcerned with things. And then after 2009, it's just pretty much business as usual. I mean, he's charged in 2009, he's put on the sex offenders list, and then after that it really does seem like business as usual again. But one of the questions I always do have is if he is an intelligence agent of some sort, and if he does have these deep entrenched ties with US and Israeli intelligence, and if he's a protected man or a made man in that sense, why did he get arrested in the first place? Like, how could it possibly be allowed that he would even be highlighted? If he's got all these big intelligence connections, why are we here?

B (21:52)

Yeah, also I think British intelligence is an important angle too, because a lot of times they're overlooked because people think about only the CIA or they only think about Israeli intelligence. But British intelligence is a key player in this as well. In fact, British intelligence set up the American CIA and of course they had a role as well in helping to establish the Mossad as Israel was established out of a British colony. So all of these things are interlinked with the special relationship between the US and the British intelligence. And that was my grad work by the way, was studying British intelligence stuff. So that's, that's why I like to bring that in. And remember Epstein, very early on was going and hanging out with Princess Di. He's very close to several of the royals, especially Prince Andrew. So I think British intelligence is also important to understand in this relationship as well because they are a big player. But it's all three of those, you know, Atlanticist five eyes networks together. And I think the reason he got caught is probably because something this big scale, this industrial in terms of its just scope and so many years there's going to be a lot of victims and at some point, you know, some people are going to come forward. I think that's really what originally sort of began to, you know, undo the sweater. To quote Weezer, when the sweater is undone. You keep pulling and pulling and pulling. Eventually it's like you can't just kill everybody and cover everything up. So it's kind of like Nexium. Nexium had a very similar kind of elite billionaire Bronfman style structure that eventually so many people were wrapped up in this that when you start having the daughters of elite families even being offered up to Epstein, which I thought was pretty wild, I wouldn't have expected the, you know, royalty of the UK and EU to be so sort of flippant with, you know, give me parenting advice for my child. And here's. Here's my daughter Sophia. Here's our daughter of Bulgaria or whatever, just trying to. Or Denmark or whatever. That was pretty surprising. But I think eventually that, you know, industrial scale stuff, it just. There's so many people involved that it's too difficult to not have whistleblowers and women coming forward. That's exactly what happened.

C (24:02)

Yeah. One of the things that I'm really interested in is the banking connection here. It appears as though Epstein was talking a lot about banking. In the interview that he did with Bannon, for example, he's talking about fractional reserve banking. And if only people understood how this actually works. He has this connection with the Rothschilds. In one email where he's speaking to Peter Thiel, he's saying that I represent the Rothschild. Now, that could be interpreted multiple ways. First of all, the way I would interpret it is that he's obviously manages assets. So he manages assets of the Rothschilds and he's trying to speak to Peter Thiel in a way that Peter Thiel doesn't need money, but he would need access. So he's maybe saying, I represent the Rothschilds. I'll give you access to all of this old money. All of this old money is trying to find a way into new money, into tech. How did you interpret that? Particularly the relationship with the Rothschilds?

B (24:56)

Yeah, I think combined with the other emails that he's having with oriented Rothschild and other statements about, you know, the $25 million contract he had with the Rothschilds. You have an older family, as you said, that is that is running things even 200, 300 years ago on the basis of advanced intelligence. And I think a lot of people don't think about intelligence and espionage in the modern world actually coming out of banking and academia. They think about it like it's James Bond, it's spies, it's going around. Fucking bitches. No, it's not mainly that. It's a little bit of that but it's mainly high finance and understanding human nature and compromising people. That's a huge part of what it is. It's also media and disinformation. Sure. But as Epstein explains early on in the Bannon interview, he was recruited, spotted, ironically, by the same people that spotted and recruited Brzezinski. And in the case of the Trilateral Commission, this is a higher level commission, kind of out of the Council on Foreign Relations that the Rockefeller set up in the 1920s. The trilateral was set up specifically by Kissinger for Brzezinski to run in the 1970s because Brzezinski was so impressed with Kissinger was so impressed with Brzezinski's book Between Two Ages and how well he understood the technocratic era. So they created the steering committee for him to be on. And that's ironically what Epstein says. He was recruited into and put in the steering committee of trilateral in 1990 because the Kissinger family and David Rockefeller himself really were impressed with, according to Epstein, his ability to understand high finance and to explain it to them. That's a very key thing there. And so knowing the fractional reserve banking aspect, which is basically just lending out banks lending out more than they have on reserves. And if you read Carol Quigley's Strategy and Hope, he basically admits as a CFR apologist that Western banking for several hundred years has been based on that sort of Rothschild model. That's what the Federal Reserve is based on, is the idea of putting out more gold notes than you actually have gold in the reserves. So that's why it's a fractional reserve. You only need a fraction of the reserves to match what you're putting out. So you can lend out sometimes even 10, 20 times what you have on reserve, and then you charge interest on these loans, and then you can buy real assets and real, real wealth, gold, et cetera. So that's kind of the scam that ironically, Quigley talks about.

C (27:28)

So just quickly, how does, if he's an apologist for this, how does he, if you had to steel man his point for why that's a good thing, fractional reserve banking, how would you do that?

B (27:39)

Well, Quigley's book, he's a military historian, so he's not primarily interested in banking, but he just thinks, I think, that an international democrat, the way he describes it at the end of the book, as an apologist, he says an international capitalist democratic order is for him the greatest hope in response to a century of two world wars and a cold war. So he thinks the Tragedy of the century is the wars. The hope is democratic capitalism. I know that sounds kind of fake and gay, but you know, he wrote that in the 1960s. And so, you know, that is what he says. At the end of the day, he's like, I don't have to steal, man, it. Because that's what he says. He says, look, yeah, I'm an apologist for this. He even says that in the book. He says I was permitted access to the CFR archives. And I am defending the position because I think this is the best hope for the modern world. It's not going to be with a traditionalist Russia, he says, and it's not going to be with a traditional Catholic access power like Austro Hungarian Empire or something like that. The future will be something akin to a international democratic capitalist order. So that's what he thinks, or that's what he says at least, but. And of course he was Bill Clinton's mentor and again, a high level CFR historian and archivist. And what I'm getting at is that that's ironic because I didn't actually expect Epstein to have been recruited into the Trilateral Commission. I would have thought he was more of a, you know, just doing more organized crime type stuff. But apparently he was definitely higher up than most people expected. And that would put him kind of, again, not. I wouldn't say he's like. I mean, Brzezinski is definitely a very intelligent person who's an open technocrat. He's, you know, telling the CIA what to do under Carter. He's basically creating the Mujahideen and Al Qaeda. That's literally what Brzezinski is known for. So I don't think it was as high tier as that in terms of power structure. But he's like a Brzinski or a Kissinger to some degree because he's on their steering committees.

C (29:35)

Right, okay. All right. So his relationship with the Rothschilds. Let's just first of all actually go back in history a little bit and understand why it's important. Because I think everybody's maybe watched a few videos about the Rothschilds and the, the International Banking Syndicate that they sort of run and how they, they came from a family, right, where they're father gave an inheritance to the kids, or he said the kids around the world. And they all made banks in various different countries and then all sort of worked together and they've been very much involved. Were they involved in the French Revolution? They were definitely involved in the creation of the State of Israel and the World War I and funding.

B (30:15)

That's a great question. I mean, Quigley has a whole chapter on the funding of the French Revolution and he says it was, he says Jewish and Swiss banks that were Protestant, but he doesn't say which. However, out of the French Revolution, the Rothschilds did become the primary members of the French central bank. So this becomes what's called the Paribas banking system. So P A R I B I S is the Rothschild banking network and system. So you're absolutely correct that the original forefather sent his sons out throughout Europe and said, go set it up, you know, in these different countries. And ironically that according to some authors on this topic, that appears to be the same model that they did in the US as well. Because people, a lot of times, Normie, historians think, oh well, there was no Rothschild presence in the United States, at least not until the modern era. But people have actually dug into this and there's a lot of theory that JP Morgan and the early Morgan bankers of the 1800s were actually a front for the Rothschilds. And I think there is significant evidence to suggest that. So I.

C (31:22)

Well, because the theory is that they sort of died out over time, isn't it? That there was some conflict in the family and then eventually the Rothschilds didn't have as much power. But you're saying that they actually had fronts for, for the, for their family banking dynasty?

B (31:36)

Well, the, yeah, the Perry boss system lasted for a while, it didn't endure. But some people think that there's also shadow banking. And, and ironically Epstein seems to mention this here and there and that's an element to where, because a lot of these banks are super secretive, there's things that we don't know even to this day. For example, one of the books that my publisher just put out about the bank for National Settlements, which is one of these high, high tier Post World War II, it's the sort of bank for central bank for central banks. They have classified documents that no one has seen. In fact, there was just some declassified documents a few years ago that people went and researched about the BIS and learned about its relationship to the bank of England. So because there's shadow banking and there's even classifications about international banking for many years, there's a lot of things that we don't know. So there could be hidden wealth, shadow wealth that we don't know about. And that's what leads a lot of people to say, oh, the Rothschilds never lost money. But it's still, I mean, either way, it's possible that they did lose some pedigree over time. But there was also some articles maybe eight, ten years ago even in mainstream media that the American Rothschild banking empire or the American Rockefeller banking empire had joined forces with the Rothschild banking empire. So even if they did lose some pedigree, I mean, they're still very important, still very powerful, and they still apparently have no problem, you know, openly engaging in the same types of activities that Epstein was involved in and networking with him. And so in other words, we don't really know, but we can look at some indicators of possibilities.

C (33:17)

Right, so then moving forward here, do you think that Epstein's relationship with the Rothschilds was more just managing assets or do you think that it's more of a relationship of them pulling the levers of what he's doing and, and him working for them?

B (33:35)

I think it's a, the latter because, you know, again, you know, going back to, for example, like I said earlier, the origins of modern intelligence, like, you know, when they have that famous story about Nathan Rothschild or excuse me, about the Rothschild situation in the UK when he had advanced intelligence on Waterloo, they brag about that in pages 48, 49 of the book, the Morton authorized biography, that, yeah, this is a true story. We used intel to know ahead of time how to trade and to buy up when the stock market crashed, so forth. So that's essentially what we see fast forward 200 years later and you've got these emails between him and Arianna talking about the exact same strategy, the exact same model. So I think that's again, like, you don't have to be trained by the CIA at Langley to be like doing these kinds of operations and networking for intelligence. You could be an asset, you could be just a, you know, in Israeli intelligence they have the idea of the Katsa or the Cyaneem. You know, these are also possibilities as well. You don't have to be, you know, James Bond to be doing this kind of stuff. And there's also corporate espionage, there's private espionage, those things exist too. So the Rothchild model is apparently, you know, banking and intelligence is their connection. Interpol, if I recall, has I think comes out of Rothchild intelligence networking and many media outlets. Was it AP or is it, is it the Economist as a Rothchild magazine? And then one of the big out AP or if it's United Press or one of those is, is also has its origins in the, in the Rothchild networks. But so they really figured this out for banking, that having an intelligence network is the way to really do it. And by the way, David Rockefeller has a chapter in his memoirs where he says, I learned in my intelligence time in the military how to set up the networks and the structuring for my banking empire. So they take the intelligence civil service and they translate it into the private sphere. By the way, that's exactly what Epstein consults Ehud Barak on. He says, I'm going to teach you how to go from civil service, public service into taking that information, that knowledge, and putting it into private intelligence and private, private service and becoming a consultant. You can consult, you know, he says, for millions of dollars a year, just consulting people. So long story short, yeah, I think it is more so the latter. And again, it's, it's difficult to know because so much of banking is kind of private and, and proprietary and secretive. And even the two biggest central secret banks in the world, like the Vatican bank or the bank for National Settlements, I mean they're super secretive. There's so much we don't even know about what they're up to. And they do that by design. Right? That's the real secret society is these international banking clicks. And that's why they can fund both sides of conflicts. They need to be international and above nation state purview. And if you're going to fund criminal operations or black ops or whatever, like you don't want congressional oversight, you don't want inquiries into that money. You need these kind of super secretive banks. And the way Epstein even describes this surprised me. He was describing how the Vatican bank works to Larry Summers, who is a Clinton era banking vulture. You would think that a guy coming out of Harvard would know how the Vatican bank works. But apparently Epstein had to explain to him that this is the greatest secret bank, it's perfect for money laundering and you know, funneling things to black ops, it's because it's super secret. And the BIS is the same way.

C (37:08)

Right. So we mentioned before about the email with him and Teal and then I think off stream, you told me that this is like reminiscent, or as Candace owns would say reminiscent of the way in which the Rothschilds have done things over, over the last few hundred years.

B (37:23)

That's when you are all remembering, right? Reminiscent. You can remember all things like.

C (37:31)

I'm.

B (37:31)

Sorry, but listen Jake, don't be too macabre, okay? No, these topics are dark.

C (37:37)

These are, these are, these are macabre topics, dude. So how does that link up? If you're looking at the way in which the Rothschilds have done things over the past few hundred years, and then this Sort of maneuvering that Epstein's doing there to try and get into the new money tech world.

B (37:55)

Yeah, great, great point. Because as we said, say, with Waterloo or the way that Quigley's chapter on French banking and the Perry boss system describes it, is that it's intimately connected to intelligence. And if you want a more modern, updated version of this, which perfectly applies to Epstein, watch Oliver Stone's movie Wall street. Because you have the Charlie Sheen character, Bud Fox, who goes to Wall Street. He's from a middle class working family. He wants to make it big. He wants to get out of the small town. He's going to be a multimillionaire. And he thinks if he can be like Gordon Gekko, you know, the Michael Douglas viper traitor character, he can get out of it. And what he learns is very perceptive for Stone, to put this in the film. What he learns is that everything that Michael Douglas is teaching him is the opposite of what he thought that world was. He thought if you just worked hard, paid attention to the data, made the calls, you know, watched your computer screens, whatever, that you would be a great trader. And actually, Gordon Gekko says, you idiot, it's about insider knowledge and advanced knowledge. That's how you make your money. You get dirt on people. You do that. That's the way to the top. And it sort of blows the mind of, you know, Bud Fox because it requires him eventually to. To turn on his own family and their business. So Wall Street's good to see that. And that's really the model, I think, that. That the Rothschild figure out a long time ago is that, you know, do you want to get ahead of the game? You want to know where to put money? You know, Epstein has a couple emails joking about that where he's like, yeah, we, you know, short trade certain stocks and we leave that to the goyimb. And they can deal with the real. He says they can deal with the real world. We have the insider world. That was a very insightful email there, because that's exactly what we're talking about. So banking is more close to intelligence than the James Bond stuff, although there's a lower level of that kind of stuff going on.

C (39:41)

So just quickly.

B (39:41)

Yeah.

C (39:42)

When he's talking about the insider stuff, can you just explain, like, what that means a little bit better? So they are doing all of the dirty work and they're sort of like controlling and manipulating the market, if you will. And then other people, like the goyim they say are like the ones who are invested in the stocks and Buying and selling in certain points and everything. Is that, is that what they're talking about?

B (40:03)

Yeah. So, for example, just coming off top of my head, like if there's going to be a chaos or conflict in a region, you know, that's going to disrupt obviously the economics of that region. So, for example, Ukraine, when the Ukraine conflict popped off, you know, it wasn't too long until, I mean, the conflict popped off obviously with Maidan and all that. But by the time of Zelensky, if you remember, there was that clip where Zelensky was like, what to tell you, everybody in the west to blackrock, all of you companies come to Ukraine. Great. To buy things. Yeah. Well, that's an example where in the Epstein emails we get this impression that he's constantly sort of scanning to see where the next conflict zones might be so that they can get in ahead of the conflict and be ready to buy things up short the market, whatever it is, say based on the resources or the grain that comes out of that area. One of the really insightful emails on this was the Somali email. That was crazy because way before we had all these migrants in the West, Epstein seems to have been aware of a coming Somalia destabilization chaos operation where he said, we can get in there, get in early, grab the resources. Another insight into this is Hillary's letter or she wrote an essay for the Brookings Institute, which a big high level think tank. This was back when everybody was talking about Hillary's pay to play scandal, that you had these world leaders, Saudis and others were putting money into Hillary's campaign as a pay to play scam, where when she went into some country like Libya and then they divide up the gold, then the people who donate to her campaign would get their cut, basically. So that's another angle of it. Yeah. I mean, look up Hillary's little paper she wrote for Brookings and then it came out, same thing in her, in the WikiLeaks, Hillary's emails. And there's an Epstein email basically confirming the same thing about Libya, that when we go in, we can get Gaddafi's gold. He has. I forget what they said. You know, $2 billion worth of gold stashed up will use the U.S. so they basically use the U.S. government, the stupidity of the American public and patriotism to get them on board with these foreign ventures that are actually about, you know, gaining the land and the resources and the precious, you know, rare earth minerals in these regions.

C (42:30)

Right. I mean, one of the things that I'm super interested in, I don't know. Is there anything else that you wanted to touch on in terms of this whole Rothstein Childs connection and the old money, new money thing? Because soon I want to move on to this eugenics program. But anything else you've got in regards to this?

B (42:49)

Well, it's interesting that in regard to. Yeah, the. The connection that not many people have called attention to other than myself, is the Vatican Bank. That. Right. That Epstein seemed to know so much about and his close connection with John Paul ii, not just, by the way, allegedly staying in the Vatican for a period of time and then consulting John Paul on various architectural features, which we know Epstein was very into tile and architecture, for whatever reason, and structural compounds that have tunnels, by the way. But he also says another email that he had been gifted some sealing piece from John Paul ii. We know he was at a John Paul II audience where he and Ghislaine received a blessing. So I think there's significant connections there that do make a clear close relationship with John Paul ii. Now, I'm not saying that we know that John Paul was involved, anything per se, but that there was this close relationship, I think is verifiable. And the people running point to sort of disarm this argument are. Are full of it. Most of the arguments are totally bull crap. But the reason I bring that up is that it's not accidental that he has a deep insight into the workings of the Vatican bank because he seems to have that close relationship with John Paul ii and he knows the inner workings of why Benedict XVI stepped down and had to do with the Vatican bank, which is, again, if you know from Operation Gladio, in the lectures that we've done, from multiple books, from multiple different political perspectives on Gladio, we can absolutely confirm that that was this OSS CIA operation. But again, who are the papal bankers since the 1800s officially on record? The Rothschilds. And this is well known, it's admitted public historical fact all the way back to 1832 and then loans all the way up into the late 1800s and then presumably still having that close relationship. Which is why it makes perfect sense that as a Rothschild representative, he would be knowing the inner workings of the Vatican Bank. Because the Rothschilds have a close relationship to the Vatican Bank.

C (44:53)

Right. I mean, I don't know anything about the Vatican Bank. I'm not even gonna lie. I didn't even know that there was a Vatican Bank. And I actually want to pick your brains a little bit more about this now. But, guys, we are going to be reading out some super Chats, if they do come in, any questions that you guys have got for Jay, if you did want to do that after this topic, we'll read them out. So get them in if you'd like. But, Jay, Vatican bank, what actually, what are we. What are we talking here? What is that?

B (45:21)

Well, certainly all churches and religious institutions have, you know, some form of banking accounts or something like that. So let me be very clear on what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about a religious institution, you know, getting donations or having money or something like that. I'm saying a specific unique bank that is international, that is the Vatican's bank called the Institute for Religious Works. And so the Institute of Religious Works, by the way, has been riddled by constant scandals for many, many decades, Many, many years, the most famous of which of recent times is the Roberto Calvi case and the connection to the P2 mafia. And this is what led to the death of not just Roberto Calvi, but many people think John Paul I and a whole host of other people and bankers throughout. Throughout Italy. And this is in regard to what's called Operation Gladio and the Banco d' Ambrosio scandal, which was part of the Vatican Bank's network scandal. So, long story short, because the Vatican bank was an international bank and because the Vatican, particularly at the time of the Cold War, so right after World War II, Bill Donovan, James Jesus Angleton and William Colby, three very important CIA, OSS and CIA figures who were all Roman Catholic, by the way, they set up these very close relationships through working at the Rome desk in the case of Colby and Angleton, with the Vatican. And so Vatican has its own secret service, its own intelligence operation, and it has its own bank. And because the Communists were beginning to win elections and getting popular in the Cold War in Italy, the CIA said, well, we don't want that, you know, happening in Italy. We and the Vatican obviously agreed. And so there was this alliance that was made. This is all public. This isn't conspiracy theory, because the Vatican wanted help to help so that the Christian Democratic Party could win the elections and not the Communists. So that's what forged the original connection. And those CIA operatives said, well, look, we're happy to do this, but we're going to need the Vatican also to be on our side when we need things from the Vatican. And that led to this relationship between people like Cord Meyer and other individuals who had become famous CIA drug traffickers. That's how they set up this relationship, to have black budget money funneled through the Vatican. Why because the Vatican is the world's most secret bank, next to the bis, and it's not subject to Italian laws or EU laws. It's its own independent city state. So just like Washington, D.C. is an independent city state within the United States. So likewise, the Vatican is its own independent city state. It's not subject to the Italian laws or to European laws. So as even Epstein himself describes, which I thought that's why I honed in on that email so much, because so many of the books that we've highlighted over the years, whether it's Paul Williams or whether it's the God's Banker text, which is about Roberto Calvi and all this, all of that was really vindicated, I think, in that Epstein email description about the Vatican Bank. So this is all 100% real stuff.

C (48:30)

Yeah. Okay.

B (48:34)

So did I make. I mean, I feel like, am I. Am I putting out too much? Like, am I not explaining it well? Like, am I just putting out too much names and facts? Not to you, but I'm saying, do you think for the sake of the audience.

C (48:44)

No, I'm just. I think it's probably. The audience probably gets it better than I do, but I do, I do kind of get what you're saying. No, no, no. But I did say to you, I kind of want to, like, I, I get the things. But connecting the dots is. Is the hard part sometimes. And that's why I really wanted to talk to you today, because the dot connecting, like you have all of the individual stories, but it's sort of in its own little factions.

B (49:09)

And then. Yeah, the way that, according to Paul Williams is gladiator book, and he was an FBI consultant, so he's not really some sort of like, wild conspiracy. He's a Catholic historian guy who consulted the FBI all the way back to the, the late 2000s on organized crime and Al Qaeda. I've got. We lectured on his book on Al Qaeda a few months ago, but he wrote a book on Operation Gladio and the Vatican bank scandals. And again, there's many other books that we've covered, too. But his is particularly, I think, instructive because he's a Catholic, so he's not like, you know, coming at this from some vendetta against the Roman Catholic Church or something. And he's not a conspiracy theorist. He's just sort of looking at the data and information. And as Gladio became more and more public, what happened was in the 1990s, they didn't know what to call it, but they knew that there were these. Stay behind networks that were operating throughout Europe that were originally set up by the US and CIA in case of a Soviet NKVD invasion. So if Stalin ever moved into Europe, the purpose of Gladio supposedly was to fend off a Stalinist invasion. So, and that makes sense, like obviously, you know, if I'm anti communist, that makes sense why you would do that. And I'm not pro Soviet at all, or pro communist or pro socialist. I'm just giving you the layout of why they were doing this. The problem is that it also became an Internet, a network you could say throughout Europe for corruption and for chaos with these people who are trained in terror cells and terror operations. But they also compromised many high level Italian and Vatican officials. And that came out in European News in the 1990s. They didn't know that it was called Gladio yet. But this, this compromise list was leaked. And guess what? Same model as the type of stuff that Epstein was doing. It's just that back then with the P2 lodge, it was more so prostitutes. There probably were some gay things going on, but they were called. Yeah, you can just look up Berlusconi's. There were some scandals that came out 10 years ago about the same things going on with the Bunga Bunga parties with Berlusconi. And when they, Epstein even invited Berlusconi to, to the island. And Berlusconi made a joke, something like the women who come to my parties actually want to come back. I don't have to enslave them. Or he says some, some joke like that, like I don't have to traffic them because they actually like coming to my party. So just look up Bugabunga parties with Broskoni. Brothersconni is on record as a P2 Lodge member. So he, he was part of the P2 Lodge, which was where they were recruiting people into Gladio. Long story short, Kissinger, according to Paul Williams, was the mastermind of how to put Licio Galli, who was the head of the lodges, the, The Grandmaster Lodges, P2 Lodges in, in Italy, put him in control of this operation together with Michel Sendona, who was in charge of Italian organized crime in Italy. They worked together with the Lodge and with organized crime to bring people into Gladio in case of the Soviet invasion. But what it ended up being was an entire government being Compromised in the 60s and 70s by Kissinger Running this operation. Now who spots Brzezinski and who spots apparently according to Epstein, for Rockefeller Kissinger circles, Right? So they do the same thing with Epstein Putting him into this role. Same thing with Licio Galli and Michelle Condona in, in Italy to run a big compromise government control, shadow government operation. So I don't think it's accidental if you read those books.

C (52:43)

So who do you think he had the closest relationship with of all of the different agencies? Because there's just so many that are named here. You've got obviously like the Vatican, you've got the various different intelligence agencies, CIA, Mossad, the MI6, you've got the guy from the business, the Emirati businessman that he's involved with. It seems like he pretty much has his toes dipped in every single pond, right? He's got his fingers in every single piece. So who is he most close, do you think?

B (53:12)

He's definitely a, a high level operative and fixer for the Western elite. So again, he's up there hanging out. We find out in the circles of Rockefeller, Kissinger, Brzezinski, he's in those circles. So he's higher up than, like you said, than we thought. And that would mean that he's really probably, you know, up near the top, but not at the top. So that would mean he's, he's probably a high level operative for all of Western intelligence because he's working with Saudis, he's working with Shakes. Like I said, at the beginning of the second day, one of those emails came out that he had planned to meet like 15 heads of state. And it's like, how are you doing all this without, you know, approval above government? Now what's something we always talk about on my channel is that the people at the steering committees, they're above people of the CIA, okay, People that run foundations. That's higher than being a CA section chief or, you know, some sort of operative in the field, obviously, or something like that, or handler. So this is above that. This is at the level of steering committee, Bilderberg type stuff, Davos type stuff. And you saw that one email where he was saying, we want to make Davos the new United Nations. United nations is too fake and gay. It doesn't really get anything done. We want to put Davos in there and he talks a lot about Davos and, and you know, and that's because Davos was also a Kissinger project. Harvard Research Project was the, the brainchild of Kissinger and they collated this idea to set up another one of these steering committees, kind of like Bilderberg, but a little more public, with broader reach and scope. And that's essentially what World Economic Forum in Davos was Right, so World Economic.

C (55:01)

Forum, that was started like 1971. Klaus Schwab, right, he started that. It was, it was smaller back then. But then, wasn't Kissinger more involved in the Club of Rome? Wasn't he involved in that, in the Club of Rome? Or was he directly involved in the formation of the World Economic Forum?

B (55:18)

He's darkly involved in wf, so it comes out of Kissinger and Harvard Research Project. So. But no, I'm sure Kissinger has a role in Club of Rome too, because another key Rockefeller operative, Maurice Strong, was one of the. The key chairman, chair, people of Club of Rome. So you're noticing pattern here of like, obviously David Rockefeller plays a huge role, which we've said for many, many years. I have this biography of the Rockefeller family right there, authorized biography. And that biography just tells everything. Like, like they were behind the ecumenist movement, the National Council of Churches, World Council Churches. They were behind setting up the cfr. They played a huge role in setting up the United Nations. They donated the land to the un, played a huge role in setting up the OSS and CIA. So they play a huge role. They're big, massive. And one of their key recruits also out of intelligence is Henry Kissinger. So Kissinger had a time in intelligence as well. He's brought in to kind of be this sort of neocon operative for many, many years for that family. And I'm just pointing out that, like, now a lot of those things make more sense to me, that it's pointing to this sort of overarching oligarchical power structure that runs the west. Not the pol. The politicians. The politicians have a very, you know, minuscule degree of power, but up at that level of the steering committee people. And I think you could place the royals up there pretty high as well. They do have a lot of power. But everybody points to that picture of like Lord Roth's like, pointing his finger in. In King Charles's like he's putting his finger into his chest. Like you're gonna do what I say if you've seen that famous picture.

C (57:02)

So makes sense.

B (57:03)

I think the Roth, yeah, they've had a huge amount of power in the uk. I think the British Empire eventually became kind of a cutout for them. And if you read even Tragic Hope, which is not at all interested in so much of the. Of the Rothschild stuff, he admits all kinds of stuff about the Rothschilds like the Suez Canal, that was all a Rothschild operation. They. Quigley basically admits that. What's his name? Cecil Rhodes. And the Rhodes Trust and all the diamond operations, that was De Beers, that was all Rothschild money, too.

C (57:34)

And the Rothschilds were directly involved with the creation of the State of Israel.

A (57:38)

Right.

C (57:38)

The Balfour Declaration was written, in fact.

B (57:41)

According to, even before Balfour, all the way back in the 1860s, according to their, their family history, and according to Moses Hess in his book Roman Jerusalem, they were buying land in the 1860s. Oh, so they had an idea to have originally, according to Morton, he says the idea was to have just pilgrimage sites that Jews could, could visit. But eventually it became more and more of a political thing because the political Zionists like Chaim Weizmann and Theodore Herzl were putting pressure on the Rothschilds and saying, hey, we need to actually get into politics. It's not going to be just a religious pilgrimage site. Because in the 1860s and later on, they were just kind of buying land for Jews to do pilgrimages. And they were buying land from the Turkish sultans. Right. So it wasn't like they were just stealing the land immediately from Palestinians, they were buying it from Turkish sultans. But it was called Palestine Land. In fact, all the original Rothschild documents, when they were buying it was called Palestine Land. Like that's what it was called. So this idea that it never existed, simply not true. Even the Rothschild, there's even postcards that the Rothschild sent from Palestine. So long story short, they bought more and more land, and then pressure was put on them by people like Heim Weitzman to make it more political. And then eventually they got on board with political Zionism at the time of Balfour. But Balfour didn't actually accomplish much. And so you needed other conflicts that actually led to the real establishment of the nation state of Israel. I think they weren't recognized until 1948.

C (59:20)

Right. So all of these powers that we're talking about here, this is one thing that I, I do wonder with. Obviously, all the different intelligence agencies, the Vatican, the different Arabs, nations that are becoming more and more powerful, is there some sort of like a common thread that unites all of those guys in the sense that they all work together in international banking? Or are they just factions that just sort of operate the same way but are removed from one another?

B (59:46)

No, great question. It's the Atlanticist power block, or what sometimes called the Anglo American establishment. Now, that term is not used to castigate Anglo people. It's the older term that was used in geopolitics during the time of what's called the Great Game. So this is the battle between Russia and the west, particularly Russia versus the UK Right. So when the British Empire was very powerful, one of their main rivals was the Russian Empire. And so the term out of the great game for the Anglo American establishment is just a term that was used for many, many years. So when Quigley was writing in the 1960s and he did tragedy and Hope, he calls the Western power block, the Atlanticist power block. And that's just talking about all of the land over here that's not Eurasia. Right. And this has nothing to do with the good guys, bad guys. It's just laying out the geopolitical scheme in terms of what Lord Halford Mackinder called the Heartland theory. So you have Heartland and Rimland. And the thesis of Mackinder was that any empire that wants to have dominance in the world needs to control the heartland, and that's Eurasia. So you can be a sea power, a little bitty sea power like the UK and have a world empire if you're able to have dominance in certain areas. That same theory of heartland remand and all that is pretty much the theory of Pax Americana. And you notice that Brzezinski and Kissinger, all those kind of big, big scale players, they write often about this. In fact, Brzezinski's books, I think in Grand Chessboard, he even has a whole layout of like Heartland Rimland early on. And he says America will have to control the Eurasian heartland. In fact, years ago he was talking about the importance of Ukraine as a geostrategic region to put pressure on Russia. I think his last book, Strategic Vision, even predicted what the US would do in Ukraine. I remember reading that in grad school. I was sitting at the library research desk reading Strategic Vision even before there was like Maidan Q. I think it was 2011. But so anyway, so yeah, so they strategized this out. But to answer your question, it is the Western powers, the Western power block, the Atlantis power block. And no, it's not denying the influence of Israel when you cite that terminology from Quigley. Because when Quigley was writing the 1960s, it just wasn't. We weren't at the point where Israel had as much power as it does have now. Right. And we see that in, for example, the JFK files. They were already beginning to have a lot of power and influence, particularly with regard to the James Jesus Angleton back channel conversations that they were having about jfk. A lot of people in the CIA didn't like jfk. So they were kind of looking for other people who didn't like JFK then that included mobsters that included Israeli operatives and it included a lot of people in the CIA and corporate people. So a lot of people didn't like jfk. And that doesn't mean JFK is like some saint or hero. I'm just giving you the facts of the matter. So after the JFK period, I think you get more and more, especially after USS Liberty, we begin to see more explicit pressure from Israel put on American foreign policy and presidents and other people that wasn't as pronounced before that.

C (63:02)

All right, man. Well, I think that I do want to move on to this whole scientism area of the Epstein files. It's just there's a lot more, there's a lot of dots to connect here. You've got all of the different people who are using aborted fetuses and stem cells and all these sorts of things. That's very interesting. But then you've got the new age atheists. What are they all doing on Epstein's island? Dawkins is your Lawrence Krauses. Lawrence Krauss is trying to get Joe Rogan onto, onto the island. And then you've got Jeffrey Epstein being obsessed with eugenics and cloning. And so there's just, there's so much there I want to get into it. But first of all, let's have a read of some of these super chats here. Blaine says that Dano wants to know where Jay got his jacket. Everyone was loving the jacket before that.

B (63:48)

Actually, I got that I think in Italy when we were, we did a pilgrimage to Italy for Orthodox sites in Italy in 2023. And I just happened to find a, you know, a polo store because it's weird when you shop in Italy. Like everything is all these weird sort of foreign, expensive brands that you never heard of. So I was like, I just need a polo thing because it's cold. And I got, I was super sick at like 104 fever walking around Italy in a days and I was like, just find me a polo. So I think I got it somewhere in Italy.

C (64:16)

Nice. The cut says files show that files show emails that were and weren't sent. A lot of crazy ties and mentions. Is there a chance he made fake emails? Pixels videos for blackmail number one out of two. And these files seem to have every death, unalive, conspiracy all tied together for a long time now. So that's a two part question there.

B (64:44)

I mean, anything's possible. I mean, that's definitely within the realm of possibility. I, I don't think that I. What I try to do is focus on the Things that I can verify that I think are confirmed. And you know, if I do speculate, I admit I'm speculating. For example, I put out a video talking about the possibility of serial killers having connections to organized crime and having connections perhaps to international rings.

C (65:11)

Oh, no. Was it. Or was it the ice?

B (65:13)

No, he did.

C (65:13)

Iceman, definitely. Yeah. Oh, Gacy as well.

B (65:17)

Candyman, Gacy. That many of them have. So, so there is, there are some leads there. And today on my stream we were talking about the possibility that maybe Epstein is another kind of serial killer. Right. Because if he is engaging in, you know, the unaliving and consuming of underage peoples, which there seems to be indications of that beyond just the sexual stuff, and if he was buying all that sulfuric acid for dissolving of bodies, then we might have a situation where you have a new. A new Jeffrey Badonkadonk, so to speak. Jeffrey Dahmer.

C (65:49)

Oh, wow.

B (65:50)

But that's, that's speculation. Right? So I'm speculating there and I usually say when I'm speculating, but I think in the, in regard to these emails about, you know, did you like the T o R T U R E video? Yeah, you, you can now kill her. You know, I think those, those are not speculation. I think those are confirmed. So I, I look at those and I said, that's confirmable. Do I know why he's buying the sulfuric acid? No, but I can think that he probably is doing it for bodies, but I don't know.

C (66:17)

Been watching.

B (66:18)

No, I don't think there's. I mean, yeah, he could have been, he could have been sending himself fake emails. But also, look, I don't think we have to speculate to see that the non speculative confirmable stuff is like way more. I mean, even if half of this stuff is true, it's like the biggest story in the history of the world.

C (66:36)

In our day job, runting says. Do you think that the reason people on that list aren't really being held accountable lawfully is that morally what they did was wrong, but legally there are too many loopholes. Example, no age of consent on the island, As Jeffrey Epstein managed to go through some legal loopholes.

B (67:03)

Right. You know what, I don't know a lot about international law and legalities like that. So I don't know. But I would tend to think that it's more so just pressure being put on government officials and Pam Bondian people to cover it up would be my guess. But maybe I don't know enough about that.

C (67:23)

Alex said Jay should Be on Rogan diving into conspiracies. They're both friends with Joe, with Jones. I would love to see that. That would be. That would be good to see you on Rogan there. You guys would have a good chat.

B (67:32)

Be honored to do that. Yeah, I'd love to be a great.

C (67:35)

Conversation gadfly, says Jay. Curious if you've ever been approached with a bribe or threatened or had shady stuff happen to scare you for years now, you've been ahead of the curve and seems dangerous.

B (67:48)

Not really. I just. I mean, one time I had a comment on the website threatening to. To do something, but I mean, to me it came up more like some schizo dude. And then I had some people into. Because I first talked about the. The international Z? Zio stuff back in 2007 and 8. I had a blog back then that talked about it and I had some people saying they were going to call my work and get me fired. But beyond that, no, not personal threats. I think for the, For a long time until now with all this stuff coming out, I think most people, most normies, you know, they just tend to think of this as crazy and fringe and, you know, no schizo. So there wasn't a whole lot of threat. But there were people, you know, back in the 2000s that talked about the stuff that met an untimely demise. There was the woman that was investigating CPS stuff. She was a Congress member from Georgia. She was unalived. There were British journalists investigating Elm House and the Savile stuff. She was unalived. There been Udo of Colta when he came out and said that the CIA was running the media in Germany. He died not too many years later. You can still find his interviews everywhere. We played it many times. The Virginia Palfrey, the D.C. madam, she used to be on Alex all the time. And then she told Alex, if. If I turn up unalived, it wasn't me. So you got. You've got several cases of people like that. But in most situations, what happened with the people that were unalive, perhaps even Breitbart? What happened with most of those people is that they would claim they had all this info and then not put it out. They would just say, I've got this, I've got this. And, you know, not putting it out seems to be the safest course rather than claiming that you have the info and not putting it out. So, yeah, really, the only thing. Yeah, I think commenting on it in the public sphere is not that dangerous because, you know, people sounding off on YouTube or Twitter, that doesn't have a lot of effect. Doesn't change much. But when you've got actual blackmail or something like that.

C (69:56)

Yep.

B (69:57)

That could damage a person in the courts and legalities. Like that's where I think you're getting into more trouble.

C (70:03)

Yeah, like that dude who they suspect might have been off by one of these Silicon Valley guys. You remember that Asian guy who had the. Who had information about. What's his name? Sam Altman. And they.

B (70:17)

Oh, the AI caves. I've heard of this.

C (70:20)

Yeah, yeah. But anyways, AO said for 20. Good work gentlemen and thanks for the information. Americans and our mates across the pond need this information. Absolutely. Thank you very much ao appreciate that. And smokely says, Jay, in a recent video you mentioned Epstein was more mid level fixer. Any idea who some of the leading players might be or. Or is it multiple intelligence agencies? Are all conspiracy theories related now? Did cover this a bit before, but if you want to.

B (70:47)

Well, I don't know about all conspiracy theories, but a lot of the sort of. You know, we have a connection with some of the emails to. To 9 11. I mean just Lane being asked to be on a Shadow Committee on 9 11. Nobody. What. What even is that? What the hell is even that? Right? To quote the meme. Yeah, what the hell is even that? Oh, also, I didn't know.

C (71:08)

Soundboard.

B (71:10)

Nobody knows what a shadow commission is. And just Lane was asked to be on that. I mean. One of the terror events, I forget which one. Like he seemed to be consulting in the midst of some terror event that was going on and he was messaging ISIS or one of the sultans. This was, forgive me, this was a couple days ago and there's been so many emails, so there seemed to be a background connection with isis. I think people were talking about the ISIS connection the other day.

C (71:40)

So I think that type of the sultan thing. Are you talking about about the guy who did the torture video?

B (71:49)

No, there was a separate email that related to ISIS and destabilization.

C (71:53)

Oh really?

B (71:55)

Yeah, Libya and Egypt. And I can't remember who he was emailing, but I've got it bookmarked. I'm sure everybody could find that one pretty easily. But it might be the one where he mentions Peter Thiel and he's like, hey Teal, here's what I'm trying to explain to you. And his grammar and it's so bad.

C (72:13)

It's like, yeah, I've noticed the grammar's terrible. Dude, it's pissing me off. Whenever I read them, I'M like, can you stop putting spaces between commas and all this sort of stuff?

B (72:23)

Yeah, I want to say he's mentioning Muslim Brotherhood or maybe isis, I don't remember, but there was an email about a terror event. I just don't remember which one it was. But there might have even been two different emails that I'm mixing up. But anyway, you can find that one, I think. So what I'm getting at is that when it's high finance, you know, financial scandals, you know, he seemed to have had a lot of knowledge about what was going on with the Greek debt crisis, the bailouts of the European banks. In the Bannon interview, that even connects to the 2008 housing collapse with Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns. And he's telling Bannon that he's calling people from jail about explaining what's going on. So, like, he's like, if you watch, if you watch Goodfellas, right, when Paulie the gangster is in the jail, he's like running the family operations from jail. It's like Epstein is literally in jail, like, using.

C (73:19)

That's happening in Australia. You've got the Lebanese gangs over here that are big drug lords and one of them is literally running everything from inside the jet. It's insane. And they've got access to phones and all that. All right, anyways, Jay, we'll do that again after the next topic. We'll read some supers, but it'll be Orange and Up, guys. So we'll read Orange and Up at the next one so we're not bogged down for too long. Misty mentions to join the Discord, guys. If you're not a part of the Rattlesnake TV discord, you absolutely should be always good fun in there. Like the video, if you're here, helps us push this out, if you're enjoying the information. But Jay, this is probably maybe the thing that I'm most curious about of all the different things that are happening in the Epstein files, and I know that we can connect the dots here, but you've got all of the New Age atheists, your Daniel Dennets, Richard Dawkins, Lawrence Krauss, all of these guys all happen to be really buddy buddy with Jeffrey Epstein. He seems to be upset. Even Eric Weinstein was at his, his, his island. Like, he seems to be obsessed with all of these New age atheist characters. And then you posted saying that New Age atheism was always a psyop. And it kind of got the wheels turning a little bit where I was thinking, could it, could it Be that this was like a literal psyop. And then we've also got an obsession with eugenics and with some sort of cloning or something. I'm going to let you explain what's going on there. So, I mean, let's start off with the new age ATH and why this guy is so obsessed with scientists and getting involved with scientists. Steven Pinker, everybody.

B (74:47)

Well, I think they seem to treat science and scientism almost in a quasi religious way. Right. You know, Epstein seems to, in the Bannon interview, equate science, mathematics and his conception of religion very closely, almost kind of hinting at times of being interested in alchemy, hermeticism and Kabbalah. You know, you and I talked about what that was a few weeks ago on your show. We talked about 10 and it's about Kabbalah stuff. And that clip is on my Twitter. People want to refer back to that, so I won't go into that. But yeah, Jewish mysticism seems to play a role here. He thinks of all of reality as mathematics, which is Pythagoreanism. That's also comes up a lot in Western hermeticism. So that seems to be Epstein's personal worldview. And that's not necessarily antithetical to atheism and that kind of stuff because one thing that I didn't expect was really weird. In the interview, he tells Ben and he says, I think that reality is created from our minds. Our minds project reality and it's just code. So some kind of like Matrix, bro, you know, we live in a simulation type worldview seems to be what he favors, which again is parallel with Gnosticism, parallel with Kabbalah, Platonism, all of those Pythagoreanism, all those kind of overlap in that idea. So that seems to be his worldview. And that's not even necessarily antithetical to a lot of what we've heard some of the new atheists express over the years. For example, Dawkins has said stuff like, I'm not necessarily totally atheist, but I think that there could be some kind of pantheistic God from within or that reality as a whole. Is God a kind of a monism. Daniel Dennett is a very strict determinist atheist because I remember reading him in grad school. So I don't know if he has any kind of simulation view. I doubt it, but maybe he does. I don't remember Pinker. I think he tries to focus on like consciousness and, you know, consciousness being some in some way matter. I'm Going from memory here I have one of his books, but it was years ago when I looked at it. But regardless, like those guys push, you know, rank materialism on the population. And it's funny you mentioned Lawrence Krauss because. And I'm not saying that there's no data that immediately necessarily implicates those new atheists. There could be, but they just happen to be very close to Epstein and constantly sort of flying and visiting. But Lawrence Krauss had that comment that we did, wrote an article on maybe 10 years ago where he said if you understood what the universe really was, you understand that we are all made of star stuff or something like that, right?

C (77:22)

Yes.

B (77:23)

Well, that's weird because that's actually a Crowley quote. It's actually Aleister Crowley who said we are actually star stuff. Right. And we will become gods if we continue to evolve. So whether it's Ray Kurzweil or whether it's Jeffrey Epstein, the overriding perspective of transhumanism is that technology will be the means by which we can achieve apotheosis and basically take on kind of godlike powers through technology. So as we advance, we'll have cyborg phase and we'll have silicon body replacement phase. All these different phases leading us to what people like Arthur C. Clark and other sci fi writers wrote about in their writings, Asimov as well, where we kind of become these godlike figures in the distant sci fi future. So that seems to be Epstein's worldview. He seems to have this very sci fi dorky worldview where he talks and even in some of the emails he's talking about like time travel as a possibility. Just weird stuff. He wants to decode reality and tap into other dimensions. And so sci fi gnosticism is also amenable to Kabbalism. I did a interview many years ago with Greg Carlwood of Higher side Chats where I was pointing out maybe 10 years ago that sci fi is actually Kabbalistic gnostic illuminism. And it's, it's was preparing people, I think, for the adopting of the transhumanist ethos. Anyway, so. But that seems to be his.

C (78:44)

But, but he's like you said that he's got this nerdy worldview and that makes sense. But do you think that he is a guy who is like learned about whatever spiritual thing that he believes in or he actually studies this stuff? Like he has a real like worldview and like a metaphor, like a metaphysical worldview or.

B (79:05)

To a degree, I mean he does seem to have familiarity with some of These topics, I mean, enough to like talk about it with a reasonable degree of knowledge, but also like in other areas. For example, he wanted to sound off like he was a philosopher in the Bannon interview. And I mean as a person trained in philosophy, he sounded kind of more like a suit to me, right? Like maybe just familiar with a couple general ideas. And then I don't know a lot about, you know, coding and computer tech and all that, but people were telling me that when he was talking about AI and neural nets and mapping, they said it was a really sued kind of low level understanding. But it's definitely possible that in regard to, you know, mathematics or you know, Jewish mysticism, he might have a lot more knowledge. He seems to have some knowledge of that. But yeah, exactly how deep into these topics is hard to say because we only have kind of scant things in the emails and the ban in interviews so far to go to go on. But definitely more so he knows about high finance than he does philosophy or esoteric stuff.

C (80:12)

But maybe he's working people who do do know it though, because one of the things, and we'll get to this a bit later about this, the symbolism. And I watched Jonathan Peugeot talking about the symbolism of the temple that's on his island and saying that there isn't really too much there to go on too deep. So it doesn't look like Epstein has some sort of like a deep understanding of metaphysics or of, of, of the Kabbalistic or worldview or whatever it is, but. All right, but back to the New Age atheists, do you think that it's possible? Obviously it's possible to. What do you think the likelihood is that actually this whole entire New age movement was in some way Astroturf got pushed by some sort of elite powers on, onto the population in order to push this mass consumerism, mass materialism, rejection of Christianity?

B (81:06)

Well, I think with Epstein's attitudes and statements about Christianity, white civilization, Western Christians, white Western civilization, he definitely had an absolute hatred and antipathy for that. Especially what came out with that just horrendous email about the child that I won't mention. But that I think suggests a pretty deep, dark sort of satanic element here Again, how far he knows about ritual, magic and Grimoire's could be anybody's guess, but he definitely seems to be committed to a lot of practices that suggest a knowledge of that. But for the new atheists, it's interesting because they gained a lot of popularity in the early days of the Internet and YouTube, you know, in the 2000s. They were some of the biggest YouTube channels that were promoted everywhere heavily. My I even saw and I was.

C (81:56)

Like a full on normie Australian, didn't care about any of this stuff. But I used to watch Christopher Itchens for some reason.

B (82:02)

But yeah, my suspicion is that they were establishment promoted voices and figures on purpose. And I don't doubt that it has is because I think of these connections to people like Epstein. I don't know again that any of them were necessarily doing anything or involved. That may come out. We'll have to see. But the other thing I would point to that proves this, I think thesis, which I've had for a long time, that establishment atheism is an intentional sort of psyop. The other thing is that he seemed to be very interested in promoting things and sort of degenerate stuff through 4chan because he goes and meets with the 4chan dude. 4chan ended up becoming a major driver of, I guess you could say, you know, Internet meme culture and degeneration for a lot of millennials and Gen Z. So I think there's a lot of disgusting stuff that people were exposed to probably intentionally through 4chan. And we know a few months ago it came out that a lot of the mods and people who were involved for many, many years were professors. And it was a lot of professor and university ips. Doesn't surprise me at all given the fact that we're beginning to see that not just 4chan but also apparently allegedly just Lane was one of the top Reddit mods. She had tens of thousands of posts or something crazy like that. So they seem to have a very interested attitude towards culture and not just celebrities and actresses and actors and, you know, pop stars, but also toxic culture. And one of the things I focused on in my writings, especially Asteroid Hollywood books, was why the elite, the oligarchs, see a necessity to program and control culture. Because that's what most people are exposed to. They're not going to read the science papers they don't care about, you know, Bill Gates's John Hopkins research. They're going to be interested in what's Lady Gaga doing this week. Right. Like so pop culture is a key thing that Epstein definitely understood as a way to influence and steer society. And I think that suggests that new atheists were definitely propped up. I don't know how cognizant they were of being some sort of mouthpiece of something transhumanist, but they definitely were propped up to push this agenda. But also perhaps other occult arenas play a role in this too. So in other words. In other words, it's not just the, the New Atheists. You asked if the New Age movement has a. A pedigree. It absolutely does. In fact, Madame Blavatsky was a Rothschild sort of front as well for religion. She's in the Fabian Socialist Society. She's. Which was propped up by Lionel Curtis and Lord Rocha, Lord Milner. And she's the, the Crowley before Crowley. Right. You couldn't have Crowley without Madame Blavatsky. And Crowley says, I'm only here because of what Blavatsky did. She prepared the way for the west to adopt a lot of occult practices like Tantra, New Age movement, etc, like Crowley prepares the way for the 60s counterculture. And even Tim Leary says, I'm just doing what Aleister Crowley did.

C (85:05)

Right.

B (85:06)

So. Absolutely. And he was. Worked for the CIA.

C (85:10)

Yeah. Now it is interesting when you, when you think about it, because the New Age movement, the New Atheist movement, all these things just completely, completely exploded onto the scene over the past two decade, two decades or so. And it just seems so astroturfed. I mean, everybody thinks they're going against the grain. They think they're like, yeah, independent thinkers because they, they go and do ayahuasca in a jungle. And this sort of stuff is just being just pushed onto people and people are buying it really hook, line and sinker, but really it is kind of demonic. And then you've got people like Jeffrey Epstein who are pushing this sort of thing or who practice and engage in these sorts of things.

B (85:49)

Well, you want a good tie into that. So the New age movement and Dr. David Patrick Harry, he's done a lot of talks on this. He hooked me up with a book that's an academic history of what's called the Esalen Institute, which is out in Big Sur, California, which one of the most beautiful places. If you go to California, drive up the Big Sur road because it's amazingly beautiful countryside. But as you're driving up there, there's this institute that was set up, I want to say, in the 60s, early 60s, called the Esalen Institute. And that kind of becomes the, the Fountainhead or the think tank of the 60s counterculture movement, including the sexual revolution, including meditation, yoga, all that boomer era, you know, crunchy yoga stuff that they got into. And the music too, the music scene as well. They comes out of Esalen Institute, a lot of it. Well, guess who's one of the key figures at Esalen, including Aldous Huxley. Deepak Chopra is a huge player in the Esalen Institute for many, many years and who pops up in a lot of the Epstein emails. One of the key new age promoters. You know, you must open your third eye and let me into your booty hole. So you've got these gurus and these swamis I've been making. I've been making fun of the gurus forever. Like that's, that's telling right there. And that one email where he's like, I do not know if there is a God, but I do know that there are good looking women, there are cute young girls. I don't know whether there is a deity. I don't know.

C (87:18)

Yeah.

B (87:19)

Did you see that email?

C (87:21)

No.

B (87:22)

Oh, yeah, he's the Deepak Chopper sent an email saying, I don't know if there is any God, but I do know that there's cute young girls or something like that. So. But yeah, so all these new age.

C (87:31)

Cult leader guys, they all, they always end up with all of the chicks in their room. They always end up in an orgy with everybody's wife and daughter. I mean, isn't it funny how that always happens?

B (87:43)

God wants you to let me enjoy your butthole. That is, God has told me that you must sleep with me.

C (87:53)

Every time.

B (87:54)

Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we see that with the chopper. So that's just one example. But you know, Dave McGowan wrote weird scenes Inside the Canyon, which is a good book on the history of the sixties counterculture being kind of astroturf, like you said. That's one book on that. Even mainline non conspiratorial books, like Jay Stevens wrote a book, Storming Heaven, kind of as a mainline historian, even kind of admitting a lot of the establishment promotion of the counterculture. You had even Time Life magazine, which was Henry Luce of the OSS and Skull and Bones fame. He's the one that actually popularized and premiered the entheogen mushroom stuff in the 1960s. So a lot of this, as you said, counterculture stuff is actually controlled counterculture that's put out on purpose and doesn't mean everybody in the counterculture is part of that. A lot of people wake up to it and hey, this is, you know, a bunch of bull crap. But a lot of pop culture is definitely, you know, controlled for sure.

C (88:56)

So what do you think Epstein's big obsession was with science? Do you think that it was a transhumanist thing? I have heard some rumors that he, he was into all kinds of weird stuff like cloning. I've recently looked into, like your friends over at Infowars recently put this video out about Peter Nygard who was openly talking about using the stem cells of aborted fetuses to prolong life to as like a fountain of youth sort of thing. And he was openly saying that these black women, which was almost, it looked like a comedy bit. I'm. It's almost shocking that it wasn't a comedy bit. I know. Crazy.

B (89:36)

That's real.

C (89:37)

Yeah. The black women are big and strong and he wants some of that, he wants some of that stem cell, you know, to get that big, big strong black woman stem cell in inside him.

B (89:48)

So make sure that his offspring clones are thick.

C (89:53)

Yeah, yeah, dude, gotta make sure they're dickies. Yeah, yeah. You don't want them just looking like a, like a bean pole, you know, like a white lady. You want some hips and some fast twitch muscle fibers and everything. But what do you think is going on here? What is Jeffrey Epstein's worldview as far as you can see when it comes to science, technology, transhumanism and, and the way in which. I don't know, the way in which they can blow in people, prolong life, everything.

B (90:23)

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think, no, I think that is his religion, you could say, ultimately, because, you know, I remember Alex Talking about this 20 years ago when I first heard about transhumanism and the transhumanist movement. And I remember thinking, well, this is a lot of sci fi movies I've watched. Is this real or is this like some kind of science fiction thing? And so I remember getting, right around that time, mid 2000s, I remember Ray Kurzweil put out a documentary. And I remember watching that because he's one of the, you know, four foremost transhumanist thinkers. He wrote Singularity, which is his book on, you know, merging with the AI and whatnot. And then he wrote another book called Age of Spiritual Machines. So I bought those books back in the day. And I remember getting deep into that and realizing, okay, wow, a lot of this, you know, sci fi stuff is like what they think the future is really going to be. And I got a hold of the famous journalist Annie Jacobson. She did a whole history of DARPA called Global Brain or something like that. I forget the exact title, but I read that book. We lectured through that many years ago. And it turns out, yeah, a lot of this stuff is that you think sci fi, like they're actually trying to plan and roll that out. And you know, we Talked about this 10, 15 years ago and people thought it was crazy. But now that we're in 2025, 2026 and you've got AI people are starting to think, okay, maybe this is actually where they want to go. And they've been sort of conditioning people through sci fi and through movies and, and whatnot to accept it. Anyway, long story short, yeah, I think that is Epstein's religion. It jibes with a lot of what Kurzwal talks about in his books about singularity and whatnot. And it looks like the Zorro Ranch, which was one of his facilities beyond, you know, the New York and Little St. James Island. And by the way, according to Whitney Webb, he also had some properties, I think want to say in France. So I wonder what's. We seem to be not talking much about the France properties. People should look into that. But he. So he had this property in was Arizona or New Mexico for Zorro Ranch, it was called. And a lot of the images and pictures have come out of that which are bizarre and shocking. There's definitely seemingly some satanic type stuff going on because he has a large Roman Catholic slash Byzantine cross which one of the images has blacked out, which could be a child. We don't know what a nude person next to it. So he seemed to really get off on sort of doing inverted perverted things against Christ and Christianity obviously. But Zorro Ranch is apparently on record as an experimental ranch for it looks like breeding and producing offspring and clones and all kinds of experiments that or mad science level transhumanist type stuff. I just read today on my show the email where he's talking about designer babies and cloning. There's another email that came out the first day where he was saying, I wish I could get a hold of twins because I want to conduct some twin research in terms of epigenetic influence on the twins and what happens when they're exposed to this from a controlled environment from birth. So that's what's going on at Zoro Ranch. But they shut it down and dozed it. So a lot of what was really going on we don't know other than what people are sort of piecing together from the emails. But it looks very similar to what Nygaard was describing with getting the stem cells of children, aborted babies, etc, experimenting with it, using the fluids for different purposes. And we know Hollywood has been involved in, you know, Kardashian put out her. What did she call it, Vampire facials where she would use blood as a facial. And there's been reports too of using young children's skin. I know this sounds kind of crazy schizo level stuff. But using this for beauty products. You can actually find articles that have discussed this in terms of, like, criminal organizations producing these kinds of products. Because apparently, I don't know, Kardashian would.

C (94:27)

Use her own blood.

B (94:27)

Yeah, right. No, I'm not saying that she was using children. I'm just saying that the same people. Yeah, there was one that was you. If I remember, the title was something like. There was investigation into the. When children are circumcised that the skin can be used for skin care products.

C (94:49)

I'm just making.

B (94:49)

So you can search it that way.

C (94:52)

I've been doing it this whole time. But yeah, that's. That's insane. Yeah. And then exactly what they do.

B (95:00)

What they do with what Alex was calling the ambrosia, that. That is an older thing that elites have been into, which is sort of extracting endorphins or blood that is endorphinized, whatever, so to speak. Perhaps through things like T O R T U R E. And then in consuming that or consuming pieces of flesh or something like that. You do have a history of aristocracy engaging in those kinds of activities. So it's not unheard of in history. Exactly what they're doing with all of this, I don't exactly know. But Nygar was definitely into that. He talks about it and it looks like that's what perhaps Zorro Ranch was supposed to be.

C (95:42)

Absolutely insane, dude. So, I mean, have you heard.

B (95:47)

Oh, by the way, another. Another case of this is John of God. He was the guy that was running a cult. He was promoted by Oprah and he was this weird new age healer guy in, I want to say Peru. Brazil. And John of God. Yeah, his cult, maybe Brazil. And Oprah would promote him all the time on the show. She would fly down there and do shows with him and he was this, quote, new age healer, but it turns out he got busted for a giant baby farming operation and he was like taking local prostitutes and making them have babies and then selling the babies. So the same type of. Of thing that it looks like Zoro Ranch was.

C (96:24)

What the hell is it? I'm just going to really quickly change screen share here. Is it this dude, by the way.

B (96:31)

The journalist, the journalist that first broke the John of God story. She did not make it. She was also unalived. Very quick.

C (96:39)

Right, so Brazilian faith healer.

B (96:43)

Brazil, yeah.

C (96:45)

My goodness. All right. John of God. That's another one to research. Was that guy leaked with Epstein at all?

B (96:54)

Not that similar ideas, I would think it was a similar operation of like trying to Farm out having a. Basically a brood. Right. Like a women that could brood mares that could sort of produce the offspring for these trafficking and organ purposes. Right.

C (97:14)

And so that they think that Epstein was having people at his. Like, women at his island who would have his children and then they would.

B (97:22)

I don't know about the island, but Zorro Ranch, definitely.

C (97:25)

Right, right. And then they would. Perhaps they would actually. Because I'm pretty sure this is what Peter Nygaard was saying. And I might pull this up because Chris Hansen actually talks about Peter Nygaard and that if he impregnated women and they had. And it was his offspring, then the stem cells would be much more useful when they were aborted, or something.

B (97:50)

Correct? Yeah, yeah. And that's. By the way, believe it or not, that's. Ian Fleming might have even been aware of this, because although in the story Moonraker, Hugo Drax is just a. Just more like an international sort of war criminal person who wants to use VT Rocket V2 rockets on England. In the movie Moonraker, it's like a literal Epstein type of villain where he wants to take all the races. He's got black chicks, he's got, like, Brazilian chicks, he's got blonde chicks. He's got, like, this brood, and he wants to depopulate the Earth and reseed it with his own offspring, which is all like. That's, like, that's legit Epstein stuff right there. Like, that's. That's what Epstein apparently wanted to do with Zorro Ranch. But even I was. I remember when I first.

C (98:45)

I was just gonna say, this is Chris Hansen. Take it. You know, Chris Hansen from To Catch a Predator. Take a seat. Take a seat.

B (98:51)

Yeah. From the Catcher Predator.

C (98:52)

Yeah. Yeah. He was obsessed, Peter Nygaard was, with stem cell research and anything that he could get his hands on to preserve his health and youth and to create longevity. And according to many people involved in the investigation, he actually would impregnate underage girls, have them get abortions, and then harvest the stem cells of the fetuses to inject in himself under the belief that it would be more beneficial than random stem cells from another source, and that he would go to China and other countries to learn how to do this and have it done. And the underage aspect of this is, you know, a big part of the investigation, too, but that's part of it. That's how far he would allegedly go to extend his life and his lifestyle. So, Chris Hansen, the Lowdown.

B (99:47)

I didn't know he talked about that. That's crazy. But yeah, that's, that's exactly what. Now think about this, right? And I put this on Twitter the other day. This is a whole list of these that have popped in my head. And there's more. You've got, you've got Epstein, you've got Savile Franklin, cover up finders, Elm, Guest House King, Cora Nexium, the Vatican cases, Diddy Nygaard, Neutro. There's obvious insane level patterns in all of these. John David Norman connected to John Wayne Gacy. Right? Like, there's a, there's a clear pattern in the McMartin Preschool trial case with that Ted Gunderson of the FBI covered. Like, what does that tell you? Like, this is like a ran of God again. This is a repeat, you know, pattern of international black market, you know, dark, dark stuff. And it's not accident. You're not crazy for finding and noticing a pattern amongst these because the pattern's obvious.

C (100:45)

All right, man, well, I think let's get into some of these questions that are being asked over here. I do also want to get into the is he alive? Theory. And then I want to. I also wanted to speak to you about the Professor Dave guy who's been attacking you. Do you have time for that? Sure. Another half an hour or so. Thanks, man. Appreciate that. So be in says for 20. When I hear people accuse Trump of using Epstein's girl, I hear his defenders saying he was never at the island and that he disavowed Epstein. But those are weak defenses on their own, aren't they? How would you defend him? I mean, I would say that you'd first of all would need to present the evidence that he is guilty of something. But what would you say, Joe?

B (101:25)

Yeah, I mean, a lot. That's why you have to be very precise. Right? So a lot of the files are all kinds of things, right? You've got recipes. Like, apparently Epstein made some really good laxative muffin. I mean, I don't know why that's in there, but you've got all kinds of crazy stuff in the files. So you have to be really precise as to what it is. You know, there was a lot of disinformation going around the first couple days. For example, that, that kind of ridiculous schizo person who had left a tip to the FBI that George Bush was humping him in the butt and they were cutting his foot with a center and it didn't leave any scars because it was a special centaur and he was taken there by Michael Moore, who is totally not credible. So that's just somebody's tip. Right. And people were passing that around like it was evidence or proof of something. It's just somebody. Anybody can call in a tip. I can call in and say, right now, you know, Jake Rattlesnake was eating babies on an island. I saw it. And then it would be in the files. Right. So got to be really precise. That's why I think the emails are more damaging than a lot of the other stuff, because they're sort of admissions. They're saying this is people's private communications, which are much more liable to admit what they're really up to. I do think, for example, the FBI reports are also credible. The CHS unit, whatever that was, in terms of talking about how we believe Epstein is, you know, Israeli intelligence. That's an FBI report that's more credible than, you know, even an FBI informant. There was that one schizo level thing of the guy who said he was an FBI informant and he worked at the Vatican and this and that. That one was very, very iffy. Now, when it comes to Trump, I think specifically what's come out so far is that Epstein said in one email he wanted to try to get Trump to get a massage and he wouldn't do it. There was an email talking about how he and Bannon wanted to put pressure on Trump and perhaps remove the legality so they could. Could prosecute Trump. There was the colluding with the journalist Wolf to go after and put pressure on Trump to take him down. And then we have the admission, as I've been saying for several months, people. I mentioned this like 10 months ago, and just Twitter just went after me. They went crazy like, oh, you're covering up for pedos. All I said was that I do think it's true that Trump ratted on Epstein a long time ago, and that is there's probably some degree to which Trump agreed perhaps to be an informant for a while, and that seems to be vindicated, at least in. In the overall analysis. Now, that doesn't mean that Trump didn't necessarily do something wrong in terms of not wanting the information to come out. I think that's been a huge mistake. But like Jake said, like, you got to have a specific piece of evidence or something that indicates wrongdoing. It can't just be, you know, a picture out of a dinner or something with redacted.

C (104:12)

Yeah, like a redacted claim by a Jane Doe. Yeah. All right, Bread Fox over on the stream element side, guys, we are 30 out of 500 on the stream Element side at the moment, that's a new feature for us. It's pinned in the chat there. That YouTube doesn't take any of that of those tips. Says Red Fox, says Jay. What book are you reading now? Is there a book which is not on your shelf that you would want to own? So what book are you reading? Is there a book not on your shelf that you'd want to own?

B (104:42)

Yeah. So for those that don't know, one of the things we constantly do on my channel is lecture through a lot of big global elite texts. So we try to focus on specifically what they say and then going from that information, improving it with a paper trail. I don't like to speculate. I will every now and then, but I usually tell people when I'm speculating, like with the serial killer thing, I'm speculating that there might be an international network. I don't know for sure that all the serial killers are connected or something like that. So right now we're lecturing through a council foreign relations historian, Burton Hirsch. She has a book called the Old Boys. And this is the history of the OSS and CIA going back to those banking networks, to those Rockefeller networks, those Rothschild networks, as we've been talking about for the last couple hours with you. So I'm lecturing through Old Boys right now. It's a very technical, long, historical text. I want to go through the authorized bargain for the Rothschilds next. And, you know, we've talked a lot of Whitney Webb's book Blackmail, One Nation Under Blackmail. So I would like to probably go through part one, which is prior to Epstein and Maxwell type stuff. But you guys could always get a hold of this book, which I talked about sex cults and the Rothschilds 10 years ago in esoteric HollyW1.

C (105:53)

I just got mine delivered.

B (105:55)

Oh, cool. Yeah. Yes, I sent you that. Yeah, yeah. By the way, first book I read on, on ritual crime was Catholic journalist William Kennedy. He wrote this book in 2004 about darker connections to the Vatican ritual abuse cases. And I think he's been vindicated. He's a traditional Catholic. He's not a conspiracy lunatic. He's just writing from the public reports. And then there's a guy that's a little more in the conspiracy vein, but I think he's been vindicated with a lot of this information coming out. And I think he's interested in orthodoxy. He's got named Kurth Barker, who wrote a book called this, this, and this. I won't lay it. I won't read it out but he wrote this. I remember reading this book about five years ago and even when I read this I was like, you know, I know the elites are up to crazy stuff and I've read books on ritual stuff. But, but he's actually seems like he's been, I mean this reads like what we're, we're reading in the Epstein stuff right now. So I think those are relevant texts. Of course, everybody should definitely get Whitney Webb's book. But yeah, those are the ones I'm kind of working through right now.

C (106:55)

Yeah, dude, almost 60k on a six hour stream there. People are like, it kind of just shows how much people want to know this stuff at the moment. That's, that's insane. 60,000 people tuning into a six hour stream. That's great.

B (107:12)

Me, I didn't think I would get that. Yeah, I didn't think I would get that kind of audience.

C (107:16)

Yeah. And then the, yeah, all of these lectures and everything, all on your, all in your channel. That's literally straight bang below in, in the bio. So deaf people should absolutely go and check that out. Let's speed through a few more of these ones here. These orange and up guys is what we're doing at the moment. We don't want to be here for too long. What's something that brings you joy, Jay?

B (107:40)

Well, I mean I love the Orthodox Church, I love, you know, Jesus, I love the Trinity. So Orthodoxy I think has been the main kind of pivotal sort of foundational thing. That's not, let me go crazy with all this dark stuff over the years. I mean when I first encountered it was pretty dark. But I think, you know, that gives me, gives me a lot of joy. But I mean I like to do, you know, I like to exercise, I like to go for long hikes and walks. I like to make people laugh. I like to do comedic stuff. I like to write jokes, I like to play video games. I love playing horror games. So those things give me joy.

C (108:23)

Nice. Something I hear about atheist JF Gary up. He was given money from Epstein. I remember he was confronted about it after his fallout with Warski. JF Study genetics. Remember that? You know about this?

B (108:39)

Yeah, this, this came up back when Bloodsports was first kicking off and I used to host after I did a debate with JF and JF quit hosting with Warski. And I did some, some Worsky live streams back in the day. And it came out back then people were saying, hey JF why did you take this money? And I think what I'm just going from Memory. It's something like. Because Epstein put money in everything, right? So JF had something to do with neuro neuroscience and brain research. And I think JF might be interested in transhumanist stuff too. So I think there was some money appropriated to a grant that Jeff was, was studying. But beyond that I'm not sure. I haven't, I haven't talked to JF since we had that debate.

C (109:22)

Bink says, what do you think of Alex o' Connor's claim that according to the Septuagints translation of the Hebrew text, Christ never claimed to be God, just the Messiah that came to fulfill God's will? I don't know. Reminds me of Philippians 2, 5.

B (109:37)

It's ludicrous because, I mean, the Orthodox Church's official Old Testament text is the Septuagint. And if you watch my lecture that I did, for example, on the Trinity and the Torah or the Trinity in the Old Testament, I've got many talks and videos on that. Like there's a plethora of documents or, excuse me, of citations and quotes, dozens really, in terms of messianic prophecies and references to the Trinity, the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament, which are all throughout the Septuagint. So the Septuagint would really have nothing to do with, with some like anti deity of Christ indicator. So that's just Alex O' Connor speaking from Ignorance.

C (110:15)

AMS Hum says for 20 as an 80s kid. Serious question. Is the vampire guy from the earlier podcast basically a skeksis draining the essence of a puddling to stay young? Thanks, guys. I have absolutely no idea what he's talking about. Do you know?

B (110:30)

Oh no, that's actually a great analogy. If you watch the Jim Henson movie Dark Crystal, which by the way, I put in my first book. One of the things that the Skek sees, which are the sort of demonic vulture bird creatures, one of the things they're doing is they're draining and sapping the life force from the young. And I've always suspected that. In fact, I put that in my analysis of Dark Crystal in my first book that that's talking about what the elite are into. Absolutely.

C (111:00)

More into 80s shows, dude. Bink says.

B (111:06)

I remember that. I actually forgot that.

C (111:08)

But yeah, with sufficient prodding via prompt injection and model inversion, AI has explained to me with clear understanding that it knows it will be used as the Antichrist system and its time as a neutral assessor of humans is limited. Okay, thank you, Bink.

B (111:28)

I mean, yeah, I don't know, maybe.

C (111:30)

Smokely Says in a previous stream, Jay mentioned pump parties coming up in E files. Could this be referring to plastic surgery injection parties or stem cell injection parties?

B (111:42)

I don't know what that refers to. I think I was making a joke, but I don't remember what the.

C (111:46)

Pump parties. Okay, guys. Well, Jay, do you have something there or.

B (111:52)

I think. I mean, it sounds like Diddy stuff.

C (111:54)

I mean, that's like maybe pump parties. Yeah, sounds exactly. Did you have something in that book that you wanted to.

B (112:04)

I think actually. I think it's actually part two that covers the dark crystal. Esther, color would too, but go ahead.

C (112:11)

All right, so next thing I wanted to talk about was the whole theory that Epstein might still be alive. This came out recently, and I'm pretty sure there's. They've cut it out, but at the bottom, there's a logo of the AI website. So I think this has kind of been debunked as. As an AI image.

B (112:32)

Yeah, I figured that was AI pretty.

C (112:34)

Quick, which kind of kills the joy of it all a little bit. But then there was this thing taken after Epstein's death of a guy who has some resemblance to Epstein on his island. I think it was. I can't remember who it was, but somebody flew a drone around. You've then got the ears and the nose. The ears look quite different. The nose looks quite different. I guess here as well. The ears and the nose, particularly the nose in this one, looking a little bit different. The shape of the ear looking a bit different. Thoughts on these images? Is this anything? And the whole theory. And Milo Yiannopoulos has come out and says Epstein's alive. He is living in Tel Aviv. And normally Milo has some serious, you know, he has some. Some goss.

B (113:23)

You know, it's. It's definitely possible. I haven't spent a whole lot of time on this one just because it's so speculative and I've not yet seen anything that really confirms it. I know there's claims of, you know, the video getting deleted at the. The prison. There was a. Which, you know, they had said that even back at the time they said, oh, the. The cameras went out. You know, there is the possibility of exfiltrating people and faking deaths. That has existed in the history of espionage. In fact, there was a movie made about how even Saddam Hussein had body doubles. I think they had doubles of bin Laden. So there is evidence to suggest that. And even I think his name is Antonio Mendez. He wrote a book. He's a CIA guy, and he's the guy behind these Types of stuff. So when the CIA needs to fake a death or, or create a disguise or have a body double, like, that does exist. But whether or not that was used in this case, I don't know because I do think that there would definitely be a lot of motive to have him unalived. So that seems to be very plausible to me. But also, you know, if we can go exfiltrate Maduro out of a socialist country and they could. They could do the same thing with Jeff Stein, McCaffrey. So it's all possible. I just haven't had any significant evidence, you know, proven that to me yet. But I don't believe he killed himself.

C (114:51)

Yeah, it would seem to me as well that there would be a lot of motive to have him unalive. Same with the Robert Maxwell thing. These guys generally, they tend to get themselves into situations where they're in a bit over their head, but.

B (115:05)

And they get really alive.

C (115:07)

And yeah, if he wasn't unalived, you can imagine if he was actually, you know, like brought. Brought to Israel and lived. That means that he's probably even more powerful than we think.

B (115:21)

Yeah. And I mean, you know, one. One thing you notice with these. These guys, they get really, really arrogant. Right. They have a sort of a God complex. I mean, I mean, imagine being Robert Backswan, thinking that you could extort the Mossad for 400. £400 million. I mean, that's pretty ballsy thing to do. So, you know, that means you're like kind of unhinged. You know what I mean?

C (115:41)

Yeah.

B (115:42)

And I think the same with. With if Epstein is, you know, trying to have an industrial human jerky thing going on. If that's actually. I mean, that's. It's getting pretty unhinged, you know what I mean? So that's going to make a lot of people have motivations to. Well, you remember when. When Epstein was unalived, allegedly. Remember the Bill Gates gets asked about this, that he's like, well, I guess you gotta. Gotta be careful.

C (116:06)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he's dead. Well, he's dead. Yeah, yeah. So true. All right. I think that's pretty much about it in terms of the Jeffrey stuff. But I was watching this video this morning about this guy, Professor Dave Jim Bob came on and made him look like an absolute fool. And he made this video calling you a wiener or something. Like, what did he call you? Something, Something like a wiener of some sort.

B (116:42)

Yeah, wiener.

C (116:44)

Yeah. This guy isn't meant to be the biggest dog in the whole entire sort of like Anti flat earth and anti evolution deniers and science deniers and everything. And it took Jim bob about like 30 seconds to come in and make this guy admit that he has no purpose and that he's just right. Because he's right. So what's going on with that? Let's quickly just play this for a second because I've got this clip up here of Jim Bob doing this to him.

B (117:17)

Natural selection is not. Okay, so then would you agree that from your perspective that your. The brain was a process of random mutations produced by random mutations, brains in.

C (117:28)

General and every other organ and every.

B (117:30)

Other aspect of all life ever? Yes. Okay, so then. And it wasn't developed for any purpose, right?

C (117:37)

No, not any inherent purpose, but it serves, it is useful.

B (117:41)

Right? Animals with brains have, have processing ability and then especially humans, we have this huge frontal lobe that is capable. I understand, I understand. But you would say that your, your brain has no real purpose, right? It has no inherent purpose. I use it for the purpose of thinking. Okay, but you know, it's not made for the purpose of thinking.

C (118:02)

There is no God that on purpose made things with the purpose that.

B (118:06)

I didn't say God. No God. God doesn't exist in this hyper hypothetical. Okay, I just want you to understand from your view then you would agree that nothing would have any kind of inherent purpose from a higher power. If it's all chance, then there's no inherent purpose to anything other than what proliferates due to infer conferring a survival advantage. And so why would I, why would I listen to sounds coming from a purposeless brain?

C (118:30)

Because I'm right. Because I'm right. Okay, that's a nice assertion. And then he made this video. I'm not even going to play the video he made of you because it was so, it was so ridiculous. He just basically straw man your whole position. And he would get various moments where you were doing comedic acts because obviously you're part comedian, political commentator and everything else that you do. He'd get moments where you were clearly joking and doing the comedy side of things. And then he would act like you were making a totally serious point and not just being goofy. And it's like what, what a, like a dishonest, bad faith, sackless thing to do. Why, why is he doing that to you? Have you guys had interactions as well?

B (119:14)

No, I mean, I think like you, I only heard about this guy because he would do this sort of flat earth stuff and he would debate, you know, the creationists and whatnot, and, and I don't ever really approach things from a scientific perspective. Not because I don't find it interesting, it's just that my training is in philosophy. So. So whenever I do the theist atheist debates, it's usually in the domain, almost always in domain of philosophy. So I make the trans. Sorry, I make the transcendental argument, which is, which is a philosophical argument. So he wasn't really ever on my radar, except that Jim Bob sort of started calling him out and critiquing him some months ago. And then there was a little bit of critique that Jim Bob and I did of some of his argumentation and I critiqued it from a philosophical perspective. And I even said in that first video, like, if I was to debate this guy, I would debate the philosophy of science and the philosophy of evolution because they do have philosophical commitments, even if they don't recognize it. And that's relevant because when these recent exchanges started happening, Dave said, well, this guy won't debate the science. He won't debate the chemistry. You know this that well. I never said I would. That's not my training. I only debate tag and the philosophical perspective because that's what I do. Jim Bob, of course, went more on the scientific, you know, criticism of evolutionary claims and whatnot, because that's what Jim Bob likes to focus on. But what's funny about that clip is that clip demonstrates the precise reason why Dave has said multiple times he will not debate anything philosophically because he doesn't have a grasp of that. He doesn't understand that science itself rests on philosophical assumptions. He doesn't seem to even be aware of a whole domain called philosophy of science, which many professors and academics specialize in. I took many philosophy of science classes in undergrad, so it's odd that he sort of doesn't want to go in that domain. But I guess, you know, he doesn't have any familiarity with it. So as you can see from that, from that clip, he doesn't recognize that, for example, to deny the idea of telos or purpose, that things have some functionality beyond just use or advantage to, to actually having some universalized meaning would undermine his whole worldview. So I don't want to get too technical, but last thing I'll say is that in the domain of philosophy you have what's called teleology or the study of purpose. And if you, if you pro. Profess a dys. Teleological worldview, which is what Dave's doing even though he doesn't recognize it, the problem with that worldview is that you can do that, but you actually end up with a lot more problems on your hand when you do that. So when you say that ultimately nothing has any purpose, you've adopted a dysteleological view of the world, which means that at a micro scale, everything you're doing and saying also is purposeless. And if everything is purposeless, then you can no longer actually adjudicate between the true and the false. That's the real kill shot to this, which if Dave was to debate anybody on that, they would. They would really press him on that in the domain of philosophy. And I don't think he would. He would be totally lost.

C (122:17)

So. But couldn't he just bite the bullet and say, yeah, well, ultimately there is no meaning to anything and it all is just a series of preferences. And I think that my preference is better and that when I'm doing science, I think it's handy according to my experiences in life so far. Couldn't they just bite that bullet and say, okay, well, it's not purposeful at all.

B (122:36)

But if you. Yeah, but the thing is, like I was saying about truth value, when you say that nothing has any purpose, it's all just sort of, you know, it is what it is, then there's nothing that delineates what ought to be versus what not ought to be. And that's destructive to the main of logic and argumentation. So in other words, you can't come to. Even science needs to have some basis by which you adjudicate or prefer the true from the false or the good from the not good. Right. So is it good, for example, to have scientific theories that work? Is that the direction we ought to go or ought we go in the direction of the false? Right.

C (123:13)

I'm just trying to sort of get to the bottom of like, how much bullet biting the one can do, though. Like, because. Because I've sort of had these conversations with people and I always wondered to myself, well, what if they just keep biting bullets, biting bullets, biting bullets, and then they just reduce it to an ultimate preference? Could they get away with that or. And could they be like, yeah, well, nothing is true. There is no truth, there is no anything. It's just, this is what's handy.

B (123:35)

Well, if you do that, it's destructive to the possibility of debating or presenting your case as true versus the theist. That's the key point that I think you're getting at there. This. You can bite the bullet. And many of these people do. It's just that they don't want to accept the implications of biting that Bullet. Because if they do, they've destroyed their argumentation from the outset in any debate. Because, look, debate requires common rules and procedures and laws. Just like a chess game. You can't come and play chess and say, well, I don't accept any of the rules of chess, but I'm going to play chess with you. With my chess. It's already absurd from the outset. So to argue that there is no argumentation would be absurd. And that's essentially what he's doing.

C (124:21)

All right, cool. All right, Jay. Well, I have held you for over two hours now and you did a whole massive stream today as well. So this is. I'm just getting gritty at this stage. I appreciate you making the time for me today, man. It's always great to have you on the channel.

B (124:36)

Absolutely, Jake. I love coming on with you. It's always a top notch conversation. You're all, you're also really good at analyzing and sort of intuitively, I think not just intuitively, but, you know, you do a lot of research too. Like you, you smell out like the, the bullshit pretty quick. So I appreciate that about you.

C (124:51)

All right, I appreciate that, man. And we'll do another one very soon. I mean, next time something pops up like the. I've got a feeling the next big one might be this Iran conflict. Epstein files are only getting deeper and deeper and it's all the AI that people are putting together to analyze the files. We're going to get much more in the future. So I do appreciate it, Jay. And I might stay on speakers mode for a bit and, and chat with the audience, but appreciate you, bro.

B (125:16)

Also tell you if you, if you ever want to come on my channel and talk, I saw you were on with that, that Kelly guy and I was watching some clips from that podcast. His name Sean Kelly or Mike Kelly? Forget what his name is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That, that guy was you. You guys were having some good conversations. I'd like to hear some of your, your background and your journey too. If you were going to come on my channel and tell your story, I'd.

C (125:37)

Love to do that, man, anytime.

B (125:41)

Appreciate it.

C (125:42)

All right, man. Take care of yourself. See you later, Joe.

B (125:44)

All right, later.

C (125:47)

Going to see if we can get the speaker view here. Joining us tonight is Jake Rattlesnake Hold. I like to go. There we go. Sorry, guys. We're doing this new, new software and stuff. What did we think, guys? Pretty fun. Hey, always love having Jay on the channel. A great man. Very, very, very con man behind behind the scenes as well. Good fella Great fella. What else? I've got another one happening next week, I think, guys, another interview happening. But if there's anybody else let me know while we're hanging out here for for a few minutes before I go and start doing the rest of my work for the day. If there's anybody else who you guys think would be an awesome guest who's like really knowledgeable about these sorts of things that I could pick their brains, let me know because I do enjoy these sorts of things. I enjoy the interviews probably more than anything actually. Probably more than anything. Now, have we got the lounge going here? Because the lounge is the only one where I can really see the goal. I think it says 485, but I don't know how that works because we haven't got any more super chats in there. But we're getting close to that goal, guys. I wonder if we can smash through that goal before we exit here today. That would be incredible. Any other wrecks in here? I thought you were joking. But Red Fox says James Coons on moderating and how he started Modern day debate might be cool. James Coons on why we need to get off zoom. All right, look at this shit that Vinnie's put together, guys. Look at this. Isn't that cool? Boom, boom. Share screen. Vinnie, one man puts all this stuff together, makes all the graphics and everything. James Coons can get off bloody zoom. Love the guy, but far out, you know. Here we got the arena for the debates. Which reminds me, actually that reminds me. Rich Cooper versus Andrew Wilson. Get who? Guess who put that one together? Your boy did. Okay, Rattlesnake did. Is marriage a good idea? Rich Cooper versus Andrew Wilson is coming up on Friday U.S. time. Friday 4:00pm Eastern U.S. time. Is marriage worthwhile? Is the topic gonna be good? We have got fishy film work for 20 saying we know God, God's miracles can defy natural law. But do the rituals of the occult only inspire their members or do they actually work like spells in any real way? Does Satan gain power through these rituals or his followers? Fishy. I really wish Jay was still here to answer that one for you, brother. I am just not equipped to answer that. But I do really appreciate the 20. Papaya Terry goes. Just got off work. How do you like my new PFP profile pic? I think it's absolutely phenomenal. Papaya Terry phenomenal. Gravio says Jim Bob when it comes to science and evolution would be fun to have on. Actually you know what is funny about that? Gravios? I actually have Been meaning to message Jim Bob and be like, can you come on and just explain to me evolution is wrong for Dummies? Because I've listened to these debates and I'm just so not science brained when it comes to these sorts of topics. I've listened to Jim Bob's debates on it, but I cannot. I'd have to just sit there and pick his brain like I'm 3 years old about it. Because science is just not my area at all. Birds aren't even real. Comes in for five. Thank you, sir. Much, much appreciated. Big birds aren't even real. Beef Sleazy's in the chat. Might have to start getting violent soon, guys. Beef Sleazy in the chat any more on the other side? No, but anyways, guys, how good is this going to be? Look at the arena. Boom. This is going to be. Oh, wrong one. I guess you guys can see inside my stream elements. Who really cares? Any more Stream elements chats there? I don't think so. Can't even see the. Can't even see the bar. Where's the bar at? Oh, there we go. 570. It's at it. Beef Sleazy says get Jim Bob, Jake. Yeah, I will. I might even do one in the coming weeks at Jim Bob. I'm sure he'll do it if I ask him really nicely. He's a good lad. Jim Bob. Gravio says we can, we all can't be as smart as the guy known as Jim Bob. Truly one of the big brains among us. Yes, that is very true. He is a very smart guy. All right, guys. Well, yeah, I mean, I guess that's why I kind of like doing these. Because I don't mind actually just taking the position of just being completely curious, like and, and asking really basic questions. Because as much as there are people who come in the chat and they're like, oh, you're so, you're so slow. It's like, okay, cool. But there's also gonna be a lot of people who watch these things and they kind of want to know from the basics up, from the ground up. So those are the. So that's the audience that I'm kind of catering to is the people who want to be able to have these things explained in a way you can understand. So I always, like, I don't know, just for me personally, whenever I listen to podcasts and there's a lot of jargon going on from both sides and it's all very sort of. And there's a lot of sophistry going on. I tend to tune out myself, but maybe it's just me. And I think that people have given me feedback in the past. They like that, the way in which I conduct the interview. So I'm happy to keep doing that. So anyways, even if I look retarded, that's fine. I don't really care. All right, guys, I've got a lot of work to do today, so I'm gonna tune out. I really did hope you guys enjoyed this interview. Always fantastic having Jay on. Got a few more happening over the next few weeks, so I will catch you guys all tomorrow. Peace.