This week I spoke with Zoë Pawlak, a Vancouver-based artist and industrial designer. After deciding to get sober, she turned to journaling as a way of expression and inner reflection. Soon she married her interests in art and writing to create Vessels and Muses. In this conversation we cover: breaking traditional norms of what’s possible when you have kids; living an "artist lifestyle"; how what she calls "life quakes" lead to growth; and letting go of what’s no longer working. We also talk a lot about communication, the benefits of directness, community care, how she manages deep friendships while still maintaining a creative practice, and much more. Let us know if you listen!