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Marielle Segarra
Do you remember when we would go to that bar in Philly after work for happy hour?
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Joe Hernandez
Oh, big time. The cheap pizzas and the generous beer pours. Yeah, I remember.
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Marielle Segarra
Happy hour deals were pretty. Were pretty key. I actually liked the pizza.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah, it was good at the time.
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Marielle Segarra
I remember I would get a whole one for myself and people would think that I had gotten it to share with the group. And then I would sort of take it to the side.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah. Like do some defensive maneuvers.
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Marielle Segarra
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the arm around the plate. I remember people being like, you get
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Life Kit Recap Host
really quiet when you eat.
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Marielle Segarra
I'm like, yeah, I'm focused. Right.
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Joe Hernandez
I don't want you interrupting me.
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Marielle Segarra
All right. Well, you're listening to Life Kit. This is Marielle Segarra. I'm here with Joe Hernandez. We used to work together back at whyy. We were both reporters at the time. Right.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah.
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Marielle Segarra
And, Joe, you have been reporting on this topic, actually. Right. Like on food and how much we pay for it, basically.
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Joe Hernandez
Right. Well, we started thinking about how everything is so expensive right now and specifically food, how food prices are just going up. And, you know, we were thinking about sort of, what are people feeling about this right now? What sorts of strategies are they using to deal with this moment when it feels like food has gotten much more expensive, but we all need to eat. And part of that was how to go out and not spend a ton of money because many of us don't want to cook every single meal of the day and every single day of the week. So we're going to go out sometimes. So how can you do that a little bit more affordably than you otherwise would?
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Marielle Segarra
Yeah, because we know generally that eating at a restaurant or getting takeout is going to be more expensive than cooking at home. But you can't give the advice. Never do it.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah. I think some people don't do it at all. But many people, myself included, will go out to a restaurant sometimes or get takeout. And there are benefits to just being in a restaurant. I talk to Hannah Garth about this. She's a Princeton University anthropology professor who does research on food access, specifically in Los Angeles.
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Hannah Garth
For a lot of people, it's just about breaking from the routine and the monotony of eating at home. It's about alleviating that the burden of the work of cooking a meal and cleaning up after the meal.
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Joe Hernandez
But there's also a social benefit here. Restaurants are what's known as a third space, which is an area outside of our home or where we work, where we interact with other people. And those casual interactions with strangers, with acquaintances, they can actually boost our mental health a little bit.
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Marielle Segarra
Yeah, I definitely found that when we were working together, it was like you'd have such a long day, and if every day I just had to go home and kind of cook by myself, I think that can get pretty lonely.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah. And just even small talk with a stranger or talking with your waiter or turning to the table next to you and asking them how the dessert was. You know, those kinds of small interactions can. Can just make us feel better and make us feel like part of a community.
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Marielle Segarra
On this episode of Life Kit, how to eat out on a budget. All right, Joe, so what is your first tip?
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Joe Hernandez
So the first tip that I heard from multiple experts is think about why you want to eat out in the first place. That's what Kimberly Palmer of NerdWallet told me. Are you going to try, like, a buzzy new restaurant, or are you just out to socialize with your friends or your family members? Because if it's just to socialize, you get some more flexibility in choosing how you eventually decide to eat out.
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Marielle Segarra
You might be getting just as much value and enjoyment by going out for a less expensive pizza than a nicer restaurant. So just putting some time into thinking about why you're going out, what you want to get out of it, that can help guide your decisions.
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Joe Hernandez
And your decision might be to not go out at all. Kimberly says she sometimes just orders catering trays from a favorite local spot and has people over to her house. And then any leftovers that come from that she just has for lunch the next day. But if you are going to go out, she and others say, first figure out that why, what you want to get out of the experience, and then give yourself a budget.
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Marielle Segarra
Is there an amount that the experts you spoke to recommend for how much we should budget for eating out?
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Joe Hernandez
Not exactly. I mean, I think it's going to be different for everybody. But there are some strategies for how you could think about it. So one is to look back at your past spending habits and see how much you've been spending on food outside of your home. And then that would kind of be your starting point if you want to save money from there. And that might also highlight some patterns for you. So if you've been buying a salad or something every day at work. You could start packing your lunch more often.
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Marielle Segarra
We'll have more life kit after the break. Foreign.
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Marielle Segarra
end up eating these slop bowls near our office when I forget to pack my lunch. And they're just like, they're at least $15 and I never like them. And it's just, it's too much dressing a lot of the time. So by the time you get halfway through the bowl, you're like, I don't want to eat any of the rest of this, you know.
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Joe Hernandez
Yep.
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Marielle Segarra
And that for me is really just about the convenience. It's like I didn't have time to throw together lunch that day. Which, I mean, it is its own reason to eat out.
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Registered Dietitian Amy Lawson
Right?
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Marielle Segarra
You don't have to cook or plan ahead for that meal.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah. And if it's worth it to you to spe spend that money and save yourself the time, then it's worth it. But if you would rather not be spending that money and you just do it because you're, you know, you don't have any lunch prepared for that day, all the experts I spoke to said one of the most important things that you can do is plan ahead. And in, in this case, that could mean like making a big batch of lunches over the weekend and then bringing it with you to work.
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Marielle Segarra
And then if you do that, I mean, you're saving yourself more of your eating out budget for stuff that you'd actually enjoy.
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Joe Hernandez
Right. You can kind of pick and choose rather than be limited because you ended up spending $45 the previous week getting those lunches that you just didn't pack. And then there's kind of like the question of where is that eating out budget? Because one of the experts I spoke to, financial counselor Lindsey Plum, says she keeps her eating out budget separate from her grocery budget. So the thinking there is that your grocery budget is kind of its own thing, and that's just for groceries. And separating it from your eating out money and other, whatever other parts of your budget you have means you're not dipping into your grocery money for expensive restaurants or other costs that are just for fun.
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Financial Counselor Lindsey Plum
My grocery money does not touch. I call it our. Our spend with joy money. The spend with joy money I get to spend truly with joy, you know, not worrying whether or not I can pay my mortgage or buy the groceries or, you know, if the kids need cleats because we have a sports account and that's the one that's going to pay for the cleats. Our grocery account is going to pay for our groceries.
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Joe Hernandez
And then there are a few kind of other things that the personal finance experts told me about budgeting. Sometimes restaurants will have these loyalty programs that offer discounts or free items, so you could sign up for those. And then some credit card rewards programs also give customers extra points for spending money in restaurants.
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Marielle Segarra
I think one problem that people often have when they do go to restaurants is that they overspend. What can you do to avoid that?
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Joe Hernandez
So one more thing before you even show up is to look at the menu. Because the experts that I spoke to, they all said preparation is key to saving money. So if you look at the menu ahead of time, you. You can kind of come up with a game plan of what you might want to order a little bit better. You're not under pressure to do it when the waiter is like Standing right next to you, waiting for you to make a decision about whatever it is that you want.
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Marielle Segarra
I feel like I do that anyway just because I'm always super hungry. Yeah, I'm trying to game plan, like, okay, we're going to get in and I know what I want immediately. I don't have to. The waiter just seem to have to hand me a menu. And then I'm like, is it ready yet? Is it right?
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Joe Hernandez
Right. And that's another thing, like showing up too hungry. You might order too much. You know, your stomach might get ahead of your brain a little bit there.
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Marielle Segarra
I've done that.
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Joe Hernandez
Some other tips, like sharing plates to save money or skipping drinks, or even using the time of day to your advantage, like food deals tend to be a little bit cheaper during happy hours,
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Marielle Segarra
for example, I find that sometimes it can cost more if I want to eat healthy when I'm eating out. I wonder what tips did the experts have for dining out on a budget and also trying to eat healthy food?
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Joe Hernandez
Right. And there are ways to do this. So registered dietitian Amy Lawson told me that she encourages people to build their restaurant meals around protein and fiber. Those are the things that will kind of keep you full. And one way to do that is what she calls the balanced plate. Half the plate is non starchy vegetables, a quarter is protein, and a quarter is complex carbs. And some cuisines, like Mediterranean, might make that easier than others and can be hard to actually get that balance if you're ordering something like a soup or a chili, where you don't really have control over that ratio, like a half to a quarter to a quarter. And just making sure you're hitting all those categories of non starchy vegetables, protein, and complex carbs will help you. She says the key to making this possible, same thing with keeping track of your spending is preparing ahead of time, reading the menu ahead of time, and then making that plan.
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Registered Dietitian Amy Lawson
Especially when we go to a restaurant and we get there and we are really hungry, our hunger hormones are really loud and they are telling us, I want, give me all the carbohydrates, give me the simple things, give me the quickest source of fuel so it can kind of muddle in our brain what we our choices in terms of making the healthiest choice.
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Marielle Segarra
Yeah, yeah. I feel that for sure it can be hard if you are ordering an entree because they just plate it the way they plate it and they like give you the amount of protein or rice or whatever that they're going to give you. Although I guess you can start to notice patterns like in the places you go and maybe just get like a protein heavy appetizer or something.
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Joe Hernandez
Right. And also, I mean, for me, if a plate of food comes out, it's going to be hard for me to like, not eat that plate of food. But one of her tips is you can get a to go box right when your food comes out and put half of it in the to go box. And that will kind of control how much you're, you're going to eat while you're sitting there. And by the way, there's a couple other small tips that Lawson suggested, such as you can ask to customize things. You could get protein from chicken or beans rather than steak, for example. And then if you skip the sugary drinks altogether, you're going to save yourself money and it will be healthier.
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Marielle Segarra
We'll have more Life Kit after the break.
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Marielle Segarra
Okay, well, let's talk about takeout now. It can be so expensive. So how, how do you save money on this?
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Joe Hernandez
I mean, one of the simplest ways to save on takeout is to pick up your order yourself. If you can do that. The website LendingTree found that fast food and fast casual delivery orders in the top 10 U.S. metro areas cost nearly 80% more than if customers had picked them up.
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Marielle Segarra
80%.
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Joe Hernandez
So lot, right?
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Life Kit Recap Host
Yeah.
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Joe Hernandez
And so, you know, if the convenience of it is necessary for you in that moment, you can factor those fees into your budget. But for a lot of us, some or many of those delivery orders are kind of spur of the moment. It's just something that you have to do because you forgot to cook or you don't have the energy to cook and you may end up spending more than you intended.
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Marielle Segarra
Yeah, I have often spent $45 on a delivery meal. And then it gets there and it's mostly rice, right?
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah, that's not fun. And actually, some of the tips we got from readers touch on this about how, like, you could get takeout for the part of the meal that maybe you don't Want to cook or can't cook yourself, and then supplement it at home with something that is easy for you to make. So, for example, you could get a pizza and then at home make a salad or something like that.
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Marielle Segarra
And I also think about not just what's easier to make, but what is more expensive versus less expensive.
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Marielle Segarra
Like, sometimes I'll go and I'll get like a protein heavy appetizer, like meat on a stick from the Thai place or the Greek place. And that maybe cost me 10 bucks. And then I make the rice at home because rice is cheap. But if they put the two together at the restaurant, then they call it an entree.
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Financial Counselor Lindsey Plum
Right.
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Joe Hernandez
This kind of touches on the idea of, like, planning, like, how you're gonna use this food because you're. You're just buying basically what you don't maybe don't have at home, or what would take longer for you to cook or be more expensive for you to get. And then supplementing it. Like, maybe not every takeout meal has to be a full meal. And then there's kind of another phenomenon that's been popping up related to this in the last few years, which is people getting catering trays from places like Chipotle and Texas Roadhouse and then like meal prepping their lunches with that food. And they say it saves them time that they would otherwise be cooking. And it could even be cheaper for them than going to the grocery store.
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Marielle Segarra
So it's like hybrid eating out.
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Joe Hernandez
Right.
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Marielle Segarra
Interesting. Any other favorite tips that you've learned in reporting?
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah, we heard a lot. So, for example, go out for breakfast or lunch instead of dinner because it's often cheaper and the restaurant might be more chill at that time of day. You know, instead of going for dinner, meet up for dessert. You can use restaurant apps and coupons. Limit going out. And then commenters were a little bit split on whether to just make a meal of side dishes and appetizers to save money, or to skip side dishes and appetizers and just order entrees to save money. But it seems like people do both of those strategies. A few other things. Order off the kids menu if the restaurant lets you. Some people were doing that. Consider vegetarian options because they might be cheaper as well.
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Marielle Segarra
Joe Hernandez, thank you so much for this.
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Joe Hernandez
Yeah, no problem. Thanks.
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Life Kit Recap Host
That was reporter Joe Hernandez. All right, time for a recap.
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Marielle Segarra
Takeaway.
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Life Kit Recap Host
One, take a look at your spending habits. When you dine out, why are you doing it? Cut back when the choice doesn't align with your values. Like, if you're buying a mediocre lunch every day because you haven't made the habit of meal prepping. Takeaway 2. Create a dining out budget that's separate from your grocery budget, your rent budget, or any money that you have to spend every month. The money you allot to this dining out budget you can spend on dining out guilt free.
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Marielle Segarra
Takeaway 3.
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Life Kit Recap Host
Avoid overspending when you're out at a restaurant, make a plan before you go. Look at the menu. Go when there are happy hour deals and if you get a big old
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Marielle Segarra
plate of food, get a to go box right away and put half of
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Life Kit Recap Host
it away to have as leftovers.
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Marielle Segarra
Takeaway 4.
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Life Kit Recap Host
When you're getting takeout, avoid delivery whenever possible. That makes it way more expensive.
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Marielle Segarra
Pick up the food yourself if you
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Life Kit Recap Host
can and take away five. You can also use restaurant food strategically to supplement your eating at home. For instance, I like to buy some chicken skewer appetizers and then make rice or a salad at home. Some people get catering trays and use them to meal prep. Think about the items that are cheaper a la carte. I find that you can often get meat sticks for a reasonable price on their own, but then the restaurant adds some rice and a wilted salad and charges three times as much.
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Marielle Segarra
Okay, and a few other tips.
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Life Kit Recap Host
Go out for breakfast or lunch instead of dinner because it's often cheaper and order off the kids menu if you're allowed. That's our show. Would you consider rating and reviewing Life Kit? It helps us grow. Here's a review from listener1l. I'm disappointed that I'm just now discovering this podcast. What great practical information and a great show. We're just glad you found us. Whannell Help us spread the word about Life Kit. Leave us a review in your podcast app right now. This episode of Life Kit was produced by Margaret Serino. Our digital editor is Malika Garib and our Visuals editor is CJ Ricolon. Meghan Cain is our Senior Supervising Editor and Lauren Gonzalez is our Executive Producer. Our production team also includes Andy Tagle, Claire Marie Schneider and Sylvie Douglas. Engineering support comes from Jimmy Keeley. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez Crusado I'm Mariel Segada. Thanks for listening.
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