After a lesbian breakup with Becca Moore

Summary

Podcast Summary: Long Winded with Gabby Windey – Episode: "After a Lesbian Breakup with Becca Moore"

Host/Author: Dear Media
Release Date: January 30, 2025

In this heartfelt and introspective episode of Long Winded with Gabby Windey, host Gabby Windey engages in a deep and candid conversation with Becca Moore following Becca’s recent breakup with her girlfriend, Shannon. The discussion navigates the complexities of publicized breakups within the LGBTQ+ community, the emotional turmoil that accompanies such events, and the broader implications on personal identity and relationships.

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1. Background of the Breakup

The episode opens with Gabby and Becca reminiscing about the timing of their podcast episode release coinciding with Becca and Shannon's breakup.

• Becca: "[00:14] ...we totally. We're just staring at the wall and..."
• Gabby: "[00:24] ...any press is good press."

They reveal that the episode discussing their relationship was released just as Becca and Shannon decided to end things, leading to confusion and emotional strain for both parties.

2. Publicization via Podcast and Online Reactions

Becca shares her shock and ongoing struggle with how their breakup was perceived publicly, especially given their prior discussions on platforms like TikTok.

• Becca: "[01:11] ...we were deep in the breakup that day. Like, we totally. We're just staring at the wall and..."
• Gabby: "[02:03] ...so it's, like, I’d be totally fudged."

Their desire to maintain privacy clashed with the public nature of their content, resulting in mixed reactions from their audience and the broader online community.

3. Emotional Impact on Becca

Becca delves into the emotional aftermath of the breakup, expressing that she is still in shock and grappling with her feelings.

• Becca: "[02:03] ...the hardest part is, like, also, like, I might cry at some point in this episode. I feel like I'm still going through."
• Gabby: "[02:15] That's gonna be the teaser..."

Becca discusses the dual breakups—the initial announcement and the subsequent realization of needing to end communication fully.

4. Navigating Sexuality: Bisexuality and Internal Struggles

A significant portion of the conversation centers on Becca’s journey with her sexuality, particularly her struggles with internalized bisphobia and societal expectations.

• Becca: "[09:30] ...being heterosexual is being heterosexual. So it's like, hard to, like..."
• Gabby: "[16:09] ...you have great coping mechanisms..."

Becca candidly talks about her fears and uncertainties regarding her bisexuality, reflecting on societal pressures to fit into defined sexual identities.

5. Differences in Gay vs. Straight Breakups

The discussion highlights how breakups within the LGBTQ+ community differ from heterosexual ones, emphasizing the unique challenges faced.

• Gabby: "[03:57] ...gay breakups are so different. Not that I've been through one..."
• Becca: "[03:43] ...I'm trying to unweave our lives together."

Becca points out that gay breakups can often feel more "clean cut," yet emotionally just as complex, especially when one partner is a prominent figure in the community.

6. Community Support and Challenges

Becca reflects on the support (and lack thereof) from the LGBTQ+ community during her breakup, noting the complexities of maintaining friendships post-relationship.

• Becca: "[10:40] ...most people don't give a fuck."
• Gabby: "[10:40] ...it makes sense because..."

She expresses gratitude for her real-life support system while acknowledging the often harsh and judgmental online feedback.

7. Self-help and Coping Mechanisms

Both Gabby and Becca discuss various self-help strategies they employ to cope with the breakup, including reading self-help books and seeking therapy.

• Becca: "[07:35] ...talking to gay girls."
• Gabby: "[06:00] ...manifestation works the best when you orgasm..."

They emphasize the importance of self-care and personal growth during challenging times, even as they navigate public scrutiny.

8. Changes in Relationships and Sexuality

Becca shares insights into how her relationship dynamics and sexual experiences have evolved post-breakup, highlighting the need for personal exploration and understanding.

• Becca: "[53:20] ...let go of the wanting to be the same."
• Gabby: "[54:22] ...everything you've got to do is figure that out."

They discuss the necessity of unlearning previous notions of sexuality and embracing new aspects of their identities.

9. Concluding Insights

As the episode draws to a close, Becca and Gabby reflect on the lessons learned from the breakup, the importance of authenticity, and the ongoing journey of self-discovery.

• Becca: "[20:35] ...nothing wrong with exploring your sexuality."
• Gabby: "[30:07] ...you learn something from each relationship."

They encourage listeners to prioritize personal well-being and to navigate their relationships with honesty and self-compassion.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Becca: "I feel like I'm still going through." [02:03]
• Gabby: "If it's meant to be, you'll come back together." [04:22]
• Becca: "I don't regret sharing a struggle of my sexuality that I didn't expect to come across." [20:35]
• Gabby: "Everyone should explore their sexuality." [35:12]
• Becca: "I just hope that people don't remember that telephone game that happened on TikTok and think that I'm like, I've given up on my sexuality." [48:15]
• Gabby: "People love victims. I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for my victimhood." [67:47]

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Conclusion

This episode of Long Winded with Gabby Windey offers a raw and unfiltered look into Becca Moore’s experience with a publicized lesbian breakup. Through their honest dialogue, Gabby and Becca shed light on the nuanced challenges faced within the LGBTQ+ community, the impact of societal pressures on personal relationships, and the importance of self-discovery and resilience. Listeners gain valuable insights into navigating complex emotions, maintaining authenticity, and fostering supportive communities amidst personal upheavals.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a dear media production.

[B]

More gay girls.

[A]

No, literally. Because that's what does the best. Like, we're all gay these days.

[B]

And thank God. Literally. Thank God. Well, we can talk about on the podcast. But I'm, like, so sad that they hate me now. I'm like, do they hate you? I feel like they like to hear.

[A]

You talk about it because, like, your YouTubes, your podcast episodes after. We're doing so well. I was creeping because, like, any press is good press. And remember, you, like, I'm leaning into my villain. You're like, no, but I don't think you're a villain.

[B]

I didn't mean to be.

[A]

No, you're not. I'm going to close this because Robbie is hiding. She's doing work. But should we cheer?

[B]

Yeah. Are we on camera now?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you for having me. I love you on this show.

[A]

Thank you. No, thank you for coming.

[B]

I'm so happy to be here.

[A]

Literally. And the last time we saw you was much different.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I didn't know. I never watched that episode, by the way. I'm sorry.

[A]

I didn't.

[B]

I remember you, like, sent me the clips of the podcast episode, and you're like, can I post these? And I couldn't even. We were, like, deep in the breakup that day. Like, we totally. We're just staring at the wall and.

[A]

We were like, no, I'm glad you didn't text me back because I don't think it would have, like, read well even.

[B]

You think? Yeah, because. Okay, so, yeah, we did an episode, like, right before we broke up, and then she posted it. Well, you had to after. Yeah, after our breakup was, like, announced and it was. We still wanted you to post the episode, but, like, I could never watch it. It was like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I had no idea that we were going to break up that week. It was like, the week that we filmed that we broke up, literally.

[A]

Because you were just back from Thanksgiving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think Shannon told me she was, like, in, like, a strange turn of events, and I was like. My jaw was on the floor. I was like, oh, my God, Jit, like, would have been fine if I didn't put it out. I could have put, you know.

[B]

No, but we were like. Like, yeah, I don't. I wanted you to put it out. Like, we didn't. I don't know.

[A]

I mean, it felt like normal. So. So I was, like, so surprised. And I'm sure you were so surprised. Everybody was.

[B]

Yeah. I did not plan that. Yeah, that was crazy. I can't I still. I feel like I'm, like, still in shock. I feel like the hardest part is, like, also, like, I might cry at some point in this episode. I feel like I'm still going through.

[A]

That's gonna be the teaser. Sorry. Yeah. You're like, next week, I'm long winded. And then it's gonna be you crying. It's like, you have to laugh about it.

[B]

I know, because. Well, I am just straight up going through a breakup. And I think I was like. Like, when I posted that episode of me and Shannon, I think I thought that we were going to be, like, best friends forever. And, like, yeah, I respect her so much and I'm so thankful for her. But, like, we have to actually do the breakup now.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

So we actually have to, like, not talk because, like, I feel like if we just kept, like, in the beginning, like, right when it happened, and we posted that podcast, which, I mean, we can get into that.

[A]

But, yeah, I watched it.

[B]

I sobbed.

[A]

I was driving on the highway and I was like, oh, my God, do I need to pull over? It was.

[B]

I never. I can't watch it.

[A]

Oh, my God. It was like, not even, like, whatever. It was just the situation. And you've probably talked about. You did talk about it. Like, gay breakups, I feel like, are so different. Not that I've been through one, but even, like, relating to another couple because, like, and this is something I want to. I don't alone have a lot of, like, lesbian friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so it's, like, hard to relate to. But thinking about it, I'm like, I'd be totally fudged. Like, I know Robbie so much. She's everything. She's like my best friend, my partner. I come to her about work stuff, but it's, like, hard not to because you have such a different connection.

[B]

I know. And she was. It's, like, so different than a straight breakup because it's more like clean cut. And then with. I mean, at least in my experience with a woman this time, I'm like, she was my best friend. Like, actually.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, I'm like. I'm trying to unweave our lives together. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I have, like, oh.

[A]

Oh, I'm happy. Today is the day.

[B]

Wait, that was like. Maybe that was a sign. I don't know. I'm, like, looking for, like, again.

[A]

I could get you, like, this is an omen. When your dog had, like. Or your dog, your cat had, like, shit on.

[B]

It's like.

[A]

But Also, I was laughing.

[B]

Everything is assigned to me now. I'm like, should we get back together? Should we not get back to. You know. But, yeah, that's an option.

[A]

Well. Well, I'm sure it's an option. Well, I don't know, but it's like, I, like. Do you think in the back of your mind, I feel like with going through breakups, it's like, if it's meant to be, you'll come back together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's probably too soon to even think about it or.

[B]

Yeah, because I feel like with this breakup at least, like, right after we posted that episode, it was. We were like, both, like. I mean, I was like, not in a place to be, like, going through a break. Like, it was just the podcast episode and the feedback I was getting from, like, TikTok. It was. So we kind of like, quarantined together.

[A]

For like a week, basically.

[B]

And then. Yeah.

[A]

Because we were texting. Yeah. We were saying you were like, let's double. I'm so confused. But I live for the mess. Yeah.

[B]

Because, like, I'm kind of here for In Denial. I think that's like the first, the beginning phase of a breakup. It's like denial and, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then it was basically like two breakups. Because it was like the breakup where we, like, announced that we were breaking up and then like, the real breakup, which is like, when we were like, let's not talk anymore. So.

[A]

So that's what Mel Robbins said.

[B]

Do you like Mel Robinson said, too?

[A]

I don't know. Is it a boy or girl?

[B]

It's a girl. Wait, what? I don't know.

[A]

She keeps popping up kind of. But, like, obviously I don't know her gender, so it's like, not clicking.

[B]

I love her.

[A]

She's a girl.

[B]

Yeah, she is. Like, my. That is the cult thing. Like, I could fall into a cult right now. Like, she. I'm just going by her advice to the T. Like, trying everything I can to. Because what else can I do right now, like, down to, like, do anything to feel better.

[A]

I feel like you have great coping mechanisms. You're, like, turning it into, like, a full self help, which is also, no offense, when you're deep in self help, you know, you're down bad.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's every tool to get. I'm like, is this a capitalism tool? Because I remember. Yeah. In like, 2017 or 18 or something. When I was so. I was going through a breakup, I was so single. And I read all of it. It's like, how to be A bad. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. And then there's like a whole money one too. There's. And it's like another thing. It's like, why am I. Anyway?

[A]

Yeah, I manifest money. I heard. Maybe I've told you before, I hear manifestation works the best when you orgasm, so.

[B]

Everyone keeps telling me that, but I don't even want to come right now.

[A]

When I'm sad, I just get really horny and masturbate constantly. Just like it's background noise all the time.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly, I do think that I use.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the dopamine gives you a little bit of dopamine.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. But I can understand if you're like, not feeling sexual.

[B]

Definitely not feeling sexual.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like every time. Cuz every time I go there in my mind, I'm like, I can only think of, like, the last person I had sex with. So I'm like, I can't. Oh my God. This line.

[A]

This is. Okay, let me see the. I've been like. Cuz during, like when we had to leave for the fires.

[B]

Oh my God, the fires. I can't.

[A]

I brought all my podcasting equipment.

[B]

That's so smart. I didn't bring anything.

[A]

I'm like, if I like, still, I can't like, lose all my stuff and not have a place or a chance to work. I'm like, so practical. Robbie was like, is that what matters? And I'm like, to me? Yeah. Who's going to support the family?

[B]

Like, you're lucky.

[A]

Yeah. I act like she doesn't have, like, a really good job.

[B]

I love Robbie.

[A]

I know she's the best, but. Yeah. How are you? Like, how are you feeling now? How many? It's almost been a month.

[B]

Yeah, it's been a month now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I feel good. I'm doing again. I'm like reading 20 self help books day, basically. But I think what helped me or what is helping me a lot is like talking to gay girls.

[A]

I thought you're gonna say God. I'm like, oh my God.

[B]

See myself doing that. I'm not kidding. I used to be so into like the. The 19 kids and counting girls. I'm like, yeah, I love their podcasts. Like, I should stop listening to them. Like, I feel like they're brainwashing my mind.

[A]

Yeah. Which right, is nice. Like, I can understand. I'm like the right cult. I would totally follow him.

[B]

Like, Mel Robin. I'm so down. I'm down. To wake up at. You have to wake up and then you go outside, like straight outside, no phone. And you walk for 10 minutes and you come back in. Can't have caffeine. Then you high five yourself in the mirror. I haven't gone. I'm fully done that.

[A]

You just like, crack the mirror. You're like. Like, this is what I'm feeling now.

[B]

But anyways, besides the cult thing. Yeah. I've just been like, talking to, like, gay girls to. I'm like. It was just really terrible timing for that episode to get clipped like that on Tick Tock.

[A]

Because, like, you're in Shannon's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it was just a big misunderstanding. I don't know if you said any of it.

[A]

Yeah. Which. I have my own feelings, obviously. I think the online community is just like, really hard on you, especially because this is maybe like your first relationship, like, all the, like, comfet or whatever. I was like, what does that mean? I looked it up briefly before you came because I didn't want to say the wrong thing. But, like, I was gonna ask you.

[B]

Like, what it is so compact is. I think it's compulsory how to heterosexuality, which is. It's basically like how we are taught that the normal in society is being heterosexual. So it's like, hard to, like. Because I met a girl, like, later in life and then fell in love with her at like 26. It's hard to, like, unlearn all of those things in your brain, which is true. Like, it is.

[A]

It's just like, everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like the patriarchy, misogyny. It's like, true.

[B]

It is true. So I.

[A]

But I feel like people were like, mad about it. It's like, how are you mad about this?

[B]

Well, that's where I'm like, trying to. I'm trying to separate those two things in my mind of, like, what is, like, what resonates of why did this snowball so much? Like, yeah, where did I go wrong?

[A]

Almost, But I don't think you went wrong. I think it's. It's hard because you're going through, like, your first gay relationship very publicly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I did too, but I feel like it wasn't as involved with Robbie. I didn't like, bring her in until later because she didn't have such a social presence.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But I went through the same thing, like, internalized homophobia. I feel like it's all a journey. You just like, you went through it with other people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, I'm like, they can't. Like, this is like, for the queer community, supposed to be, like, so accepting sometimes they turn so fast.

[B]

Well, that is I'm like, well, not.

[A]

Anyone here, by the way.

[B]

I know people are very sane and rational. And, like, for a second, I was, like, mad, I think, at the community. But then I got. I, like, left Ohio and, like, touched grass and realized that most people don't give a fuck. Like, most people are not on TikTok in the comments or, like, touching grass is so real.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, there's a real, like, going, no one cares.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, even when I, like, in San Diego, when I was, like, evacuating, I, like, went to a gay bar and, like, met a bunch of girls and everyone was normal and, like, it didn't matter. Like, so. But yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Like, what I do think that I should have taken a beat and not posted that that week. And, like, I think I should have talked to more people and, like, asked more questions and maybe, like, tried to, like, educate myself more on that topic.

[A]

But, like, this is a part of learning.

[B]

Yeah, I guess I didn't. I didn't think that it would. I think a lot of it was telephone and, like, I think that they were taking words out of my things that didn't even happen. Like, they think I dumped some people online, at least think I dumped Shannon because I realized biology.

[A]

But, yeah, I don't.

[B]

That's not what happened. Like, that was. It's just. I am mad at myself for offering that up as, like, a reason that we broke up in order. I think I. My intentions were wrong because I wanted people to leave us alone and not, like, yeah, think that one of us cheated on each other or, like, something. But I ended up just, like, giving them a reason that wasn't. We never fought about the kids. Like, we were never. It was never, like, even a real issue in our relationship. Like, I told her that I was struggling with. Like, oh, my God, like, what if you want to have kids before I do? And, like, I don't know if I've, like, undone all the. I don't know. The compact is inside me where I'm like. Like, it's hard to, like, the IVF thing. I don't know if I'm prepared. And I might have to do ivf, by the way. Like, with a man, it doesn't. Or a woman, it doesn't. I don't know. But, yeah, like, I told her that, and she was like, I've. Oh, my God. Like, everyone goes through that. Like, it's a hard thing to accept that your future might look a little bit different than you thought. But she's had. She's been out since she was 16, so she's had more than half of her life to like, right, untangle that in her brain. And she is, like, excited to do that in the future. So, like, she was like, you. You'll definitely come around or like, whoever you end up with, like, you will let go of like the old or whatever the old fashioned way. Or you might not like. It doesn't. It's not. It's okay. So we kept dating like after that for a while.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So naturally you're not going to have everything figured out. And like. Yeah, moving through it and trying to work through it in the public is so hard. But also I feel like we do it so people relate to us. So it's like, back off you a little. A lot, you know, because especially when you're what? And this could be an excuse. I don't know. It's like I'm biphobic some days and. And very bisexual others. But it is hard, I think, because your mind is so confused and you lived your whole life dating men. So you're like, what if I'm supposed to? Like, I've never been more in love with a person than Robbie. Like, I'm so terrified to lose her if anything happened. Listening to your podcast, like, no, I'm so sorry. I'm so. But. But sometimes, like, I have dreams, like, with men in them, and I wake up like, feeling so guilty. But it is like, it's like society has fucked me up in so many ways. I'm also really sensitive.

[B]

I know. Like, yeah, it is weird. I remember being like, biphobic, internalized, obviously biphobic. Like having a lot of that when I first came out and I was like, I'd rather just be either gay or straight because at least they know what they want, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then as time has gone on, I've realized that, whoa, like, biphobia is real with like a lot of people. Because people think I'm like. All of a sudden everyone's like, you're the straightest person I've ever met. Like people online, at least not in real life, but yeah, they're like making videos saying that I've always been straight and the videos have so many likes. And I'm like, yeah, I like, had the. I truly had the best relationship of my life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

With a woman. And it was for a whole year. And it didn't end because of my sexuality. It ended because of, like, different things that I'm just never. Like, it doesn't.

[A]

Right. Like that you're probably just not going to talk about. I never want to get into it. Yeah. Dating a girl is different. Like dating dudes. I would drag their ass for sure. I mean, like, like, just like whatever. Do a six part series on Tik Tok and make sure. Yes. And, like, pay my rent for, like, a little bit. But then it's like dating a girl, you feel like you owe them so much more, that you're just not going to do that because you're so much more compassion with them. So it's like, people also have to understand that there's always things that go on behind the scenes that you're not going to know about, unfortunately. Or maybe one day you'll talk about it in retrospect.

[B]

Yeah. And in a respectful way, though, like, we. I am so grateful for her. Like, she is. She, like, introduced me to my sexuality and, like, my. A whole new world. And, like, I really care about the LGBT community, LGBTQ community. And I'm. I don't know. I'm, like, scared to say anything, but. And I like whether certain people online, it's like a tiny, like, fraction of people that are, like, really outspoken, though, but whether they like it or not, like, I am bi. Like, I can't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I can't change that. Like, I am. And I know that.

[A]

I mean, so is Phoebe Bridgers, which, sorry, is, like, up for debate, I think. Unpopular opinion. She had a girlfriend. It's, like, now she's, like, very much with a man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And people love her for being, like, a lesbian icon, so she can do it. You're not even dating me, but you can't. Well, I was like, what are you gonna say? Chapel Ro and has songs about going down and someone on the front seat. You can't do that with a girl. You have to have a third appendage. So what does everyone think about that?

[B]

Exactly? Well, yeah, exactly. I'm like. I don't know. It's. It's fine, I guess. But it is scary, though, because I'm like. I do want people to. I want people to know that I like girls, too, because what if I want to date a girl? I'm not ready to date anyone.

[A]

But, like, just, like, think about it.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I don't want to be a straight girl. I don't know. I mean, like, I don't know who I'll end up with. I can't. I don't know. But, like, it just feels. I'm not trying to victimize myself because.

[A]

No. Be a victim.

[B]

Sick of being a beast.

[A]

Yes. I'm dying to be a victim.

[B]

Especially when you, like, know the truth. Like, you know that you're gay or whatever and people are calling you straight. Like, it is easy to fall into. Like, no one understands Me, like, that mentality. But, like, I'm like, probably just don't know, though. Like, you're not in my brain.

[A]

People are making videos. Like, this is a thing. I feel like, obviously if you're on TikTok, you know, then it's like, they. Whatever's relevant right now, they're going to have a hot take. Four likes. Like, they might not even believe it, but they know it's going to get attention. So it's like, that's not fair either. But it's hard, like, to take that stuff with a grain of salt, especially.

[B]

When it's like, I love getting on TikTok.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, during the breakup, like, I would be, like, I would forget for a second and then open it back up and then be like, right. Why is there a video saying, like, dear Becca Moore, my babies are real? Even though if you don't believe that they're. And I'm like, I love your baby. I don't.

[A]

Right. I'm not thinking about your baby.

[B]

And. But I will say, like, a lot of people have, like, shared their IVF journey with me, like, through my DM and my DMs or whatever, but. And showed me, like, that they also struggled or, like, maybe their partner struggled with, like, not wanting to go through that process. And then they came out on the other side and they, like, don't care anymore. And that was very helpful. But, like, some takes are not helpful. Like, yeah, I think that I don't regret sharing a struggle of my sexuality that I didn't expect to come across, because it does help other people. And I do think that people expect sometimes more of a storybook ending of when someone realizes.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Maybe they expected me and Shannon to get married and for us to never say anything or never have any internalized struggles ever again. And I don't think that's realistic. And I don't think that's fair to put on people because I think it intimidates people that want to. There's nothing wrong with exploring your sexuality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think it is a little bit intense. Some people make it a little bit intimidating to be like. Like, even, like, the narrative of, like, you should have thought about that before you got in a relationship with Shannon.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, we weren't talking about kids, though, right?

[A]

And you can't think about everything at once. Like, I feel like when you start dating the same sex, it's like you go through so many phases. You're like, oh, my God, this is exciting. Like, you feel the love, like, Love, like deep.

[B]

And then you're like, yeah.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Like, I remember being like. Like, as time goes on, I'm gonna like, want to have kids with her. I'm sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then as time went on, we just had other differences that like we're playing into our relationship. That. That would happen in a straight relationship. It would happen in any.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It had nothing to do with sexuality or kids or like, totally being gay or being straight. Like, it.

[A]

Yeah. But no.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I think. But again, I don't know how I'm gonna feel in two years. Like, maybe I will be.

[A]

We're married. Yeah. We're allowed to change our mind. I change my mind all the time. Like when it comes to labels and stuff. And even like straight couples will go through this and it's like you get to have your own opinion about how you feel. Like you're connected to your baby. I wish that we could pick em. Like, if you find a good one, you know, that's like, well behaved and like, has it shit together. Yes. And like, you know, is like cute. My babies are cute. Then you'd be like, oh, my God, I wish I had that one, you know?

[B]

Yeah. And I think it's a lot of. I think that the truth is I have made a lot of content about men. Like my same. Like, it's. They're so easy to make content about.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They do the craziest things. Like, they literally. That is my story. Times that I have built my platform off of is dating men and like making fun of men because they're. I can't make fun of girls that much because they don't really do anything cringy like that.

[A]

So like I mentioned the whole time, literally, they're like, yes, if you're a man. If you're a white man without a job, like, what the are you doing? Because the system is built for you. And I've dated so many dudes without a job. It was like my type for a while. I'm like, oh, perfect, you're selling weed.

[B]

Out of your garage.

[A]

And as like in a state, California, that's legalized. Like, who are you selling? Way to minors for sure. Like, let's say, you know, that's hard. It's like.

[B]

But then looking back, you're like, right. What the fudge?

[A]

No crazy. They just can get away with so much stuff because like, they also like, the bar for them is literally in hell.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So it's like now we're waking up. I feel like as a society, you know, I Think we've talked about, like, 4B or whatever. The 4B movement. I'm. Yeah.

[B]

Not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not talking to men anymore.

[A]

Right. It's like I'm on Reddit. So like R4B. I forget where it originated, but yeah, it's like completely cutting off men from society. And I'm like, down. I have done.

[B]

I will be joining that later.

[A]

Yeah. Actually. Which I feel like has just, like, naturally happened for me. Like, I have two men in my life, my manager and my dad.

[B]

I don't even know if I want that many.

[A]

Yeah, you're like too many. Right.

[B]

But like, yeah, I'm not right now in my life. I'm not interested in men. So I don't know. But I don't know. Again, I don't know. It's just interesting that this is like, I do think that people can watch me grow up from my tiktoks. Like, I was like, upset about a breakup with a boy like, two years ago. And then like, I'm with enough. You can just read between the lines and watch me go through different eras of my life. And I think right now is like a different. Like, even a year, like a year and a half ago, I would not have expected to meet a woman and date her. So I think I'm just going through it right now. Like, I think I'm just like, oh, my God. There is an aspect of my sexuality that I haven't unpacked. I guess is like the future. Like.

[A]

Yeah, well, you've. Right. You're still like, only a year in. And I think overall, like, people will watch you go through all your phases and then feel really connected to you. Look at Trisha Paytas and Tana Mongeau, the two, like, popular influencers.

[B]

And they've been.

[A]

Yes. Through some. And they're coming out on top. So it's like. And I think it's because you've seen them through all their phases, like, and they have been totally unfiltered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like. But it's like you're a real person.

[B]

I know. And I can't like, make my story like cookie cutter or, like, polished or, like, explain everything. Like, the truth is I did love men before I did. I mean, not really, but, like, I. What felt like I did.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So I can't go back and, like, undo all my content about. Actually, I don't even want to. I like those videos and it was like, funny.

[A]

It's funny to make fun of men. Please people.

[B]

Like, I think it just is not very good for people to like. I don't think. I think that people will get. Girls will get confused if they feel like they can't pivot or like they can't. Like, oh, just because I've had a happy relationship with a man, that means I probably like men, then I probably shouldn't ever explore my. I think it's okay to figure it out. Like, I think, yeah, it's okay to be wrong. And I mean, I don't know. I don't even know.

[A]

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[B]

We have a podcast. We're here to basically ask you to listen to it. We're just trying to help you guys not make the same mistakes that we.

[A]

Made made in life. We made a lot, especially me.

[B]

I really went down some dark roads trying to save you guys from that. Our podcast is called the world's first podcast. We are technically the sisters behind the. Nobody wants this podcast. It's inspired by us because you wrote it, so.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

But when I write, I am inspired.

[A]

By myself all the time. Right?

[B]

That would make sense. You inspire you.

[A]

We're gonna wrap this up.

[B]

Okay, guys, go check it out. World's first podcast.

[A]

Listening to the podcast episode, which, like, we can totally switch things. You're like, I'm reliving all my trauma.

[B]

No, it feels good to, like, go. Yeah, therapeutic.

[A]

Okay, good. But listening to it back. Oh, it's like, only on you, but the light keeps going in and out. For those of you not watching, which please watch already. But it's. What was I gonna say? Oh. Listening back to the podcast, like. And I'm sure you just, like, wanted to put a button on it. You're like, people are expecting me to say something, so this is the easiest thing to say. But it's like, obviously there were other things going on. You just don't break up for one reason. And I'm sure it's hard to, like, really convey that to the audience because it almost felt light. Yeah, it was like parts of it. You guys were, like, laughing together and stuff. But it was. It is also like a reflection of where you at in your relationship. Like, you weren't like, totally non contact yet. No contact. You.

[B]

We were talking about, like, I hope we can still hook up, but, like, yeah, clearly we're, like, still in love. Like, still dating in that episode. So. Yeah, and now we're. I'm. We're treating it like a real breakup now, so, you know, so I can't look back and, like, watch that.

[A]

You don't have to.

[B]

It's like coming to the realization, like, that just because that was a good person and we loved each other, like, and she was like the first girl that I like, loved. Like, it doesn't have to. I don't have to try to make it work with her, I guess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't. But maybe we might get back. I don't know. Probably not, but I don't know. But, like, I don't know. I just don't. Yeah, it's just.

[A]

Well, it's like, even in all relationships, like, you learn something from each relationship. If it doesn't work out, it's like, okay to move on, you know, and, like, see, like, there. You know, there are, like, other things which we'll never know that it's like.

[B]

Neither of us Is like. I don't know. It's like, not any.

[A]

Again.

[B]

I. I put that episode out because I didn't want, like, there to be speculation and drama. And then.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

People assume the worst.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even with me. Robbie. Robbie came on the, like, the epis after you, and we were talking about, like, a different friend's relationship. Oh, yeah. That had just, like, crashed and burned because of cheating.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

And people.

[B]

Oh, yeah. People were talking like, maybe we cheated. Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I'm like, no.

[A]

Why would we talk about you guys, like, so publicly right after? Yeah. And it's just, like, not what happened, but I do. So you guys broke up right before Christmas? Did you have her Christmas presents? Yeah. Oh, brutal.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, no. What? Oh, no.

[B]

Like, well. Well, she sent me, like, it just. That's why. Where it got, like, blurry and confusing because, like, you were planning. Yeah, yeah. And we were still texting all the time, and, like, she sent me, like, a teapot on Christmas, and that made me feel like.

[A]

You're big on tea.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Oh, I don't know what's going on.

[B]

But, yeah, that was it. And it was just, like, a prolonged breakup, I think, because I was going through such, like, a hard time, and, like, the Internet was really confusing me for a long time. I was like, is what they're saying true? Like, am I. And I wanted to be in that community. I only came out in, like, publicly in July.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, I finally felt like. Well, actually, I immediately felt, like, loved and accepted. And then for my breakup to happen on top of the community, it felt like, like, just to be a villain in a community that you care about, like, felt really heavy. So I think that we kept, like, dating, like, texting for a while after the episode went out. But then once I was like, okay, enough. I was like, okay, we should actually break up. So, you know.

[A]

Yeah. No, that's so hard. Do you feel like you lost, like, some of your lesbian community after?

[B]

Not in real life. Like, no one in real life cares at all. It was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just like, tick tock. Like, I think.

[A]

Or like, because you. I, Like, I kind of. Or I was listening to you and you were like. I was so enmeshed in Shannon's life.

[B]

Like, yeah.

[A]

With her friends, and she obviously. I'm like, I don't. I have one gay friend.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

I'm doing an event on Friday. You should come. I'm so excited.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yes. I should.

[B]

Love to you And Robbie.

[A]

Yeah. She's out of town, so. I know. I know. Literally. But, like, I. But it's like, okay, because I gotta spread my wings.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah. Like, I do think, well, Shannon's just been out for, like, her forever. Like, so. She has so many gay girlfriends.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I really liked them. They're awesome. And I. Then I realized, like, I want to be friends with lesbians. Like, they're just so cool and, like, smart. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now I have to kind of, like, start from scratch and be like, how do I make my own that aren't through Shannon.

[A]

Yeah. And that's good. I feel it is like, it. I feel like it is one of the hardest parts of a breakup. You're like, oh, my God. I feel so. Yeah. Like, who's gonna choose whose side in the divorce? You know? And it's like, we do pick favorites, but you're my favorite right now. And then, like, when Shannon comes on, she' my favorite.

[B]

No, I don't want anyone to pick sides. Like, I know, but it's different with, like, a guy and a girl versus lesbians. Because in a. With a guy and a girl, you're like, obviously the girls are going to take the girl's side and then the guys. So now I'm like, oh, wow. Like, who? Like, I hope. I hope her friends. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like, I hope. I hope it's, like, peaceful and, like. But there's some fights, so I don't think. But yeah, it does feel like Shannon is just. I think it's because she's, like, a big figure in the community that, like. Yeah, I want, like. I don't know. It's just scary to break up with someone that's like the. To me, I. I always say I feel like she's, like, the main lesbian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm like, where the do I go for me?

[A]

Right. Right. It's like, yeah. People, like, naturally, like, want to pick sides, but it's like, you know, she's like, more kind of has built a platform in the lesbian community. But I also think, like, people are gonna learn and know, you know? And I think you've been great with talking about it in your experience, because I get so many questions. I'm exploring my sexuality, and I'm like, bitch, me too. Like, I don't have all the answers that I did have someone on. Lauren Chan, she's amazing. She was like. She was a Sports Illustrated model. She was on Traders Canada.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know there was a Traders Canada.

[A]

Yeah. And she like, she had started her own company. Like she's a total bad ass and went through a divorce because she loved women. Like, figured out she was like a full blown lesbian. And she's like, I feel like being queer is more about the experience, like vibes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I think it's important. Wouldn't like to have kind of other friends who are gay because it's like, that's what I have a lot of straight friends. But it's like, I don't know, it's kind of like when naturally queer people have more depression. Because you feel alone in your experience.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think I've kind of felt like that. And it's like I have like, basically they're my sisters, you know, but they're like straight, so I don't know if they totally understand what's going on. And then maybe I don't think about it as much. Like, Robbie has also been a lesbian for so long. So it's like, I don't think. I mean, our relationship is so special and naturally queer because, like, we're living it, but we don't always, like, talk about it. Sometimes we'll lay in bed and we'd be like, can you believe we're gay? Like, can you believe we're doing this?

[B]

It is. I never expected it, but like, it feels good.

[A]

Like you're like, it feels like you're in high school and like you're doing something bad. That's like my favorite part of it. We fell in love, I think. Well, she was in love like the second. She's like. I think it was love at first sight. I'm like, baby, I probably was.

[B]

I feel like you guys are meant to be together.

[A]

I. Yeah, I think so too. It's like such a crazy way, but we went to gay astrology for one. Have you been to gay astrology?

[B]

No, but obviously I want to go.

[A]

Oh my God, we have to go. It's so much fun. It's like kind of. It's not totally a rave, but it's like dance party for all girls. So girls are everywhere, just making out with each other, grinding, dancing. It's so fun. And I took these really good mushrooms before and I'm like, I'm fully in love. And we danced the whole night to like Teenage Dream. And like, she nestles in my bosom. Yeah.

[B]

I remember everyone, like unironically use the word bosom like that.

[A]

I know, but yeah, we have to go. I will go.

[B]

But like, back to, like, the straight thing that you were saying. Like, your straight friends. Yeah, I was terrified to come out because I didn't want to lose my straight friends.

[A]

Like, I was like, what if they.

[B]

Think I'm, like, going through a weird phase or something?

[A]

And which I think naturally they do. I've never, like, I've kind of been like, what do you guys think? But I just don't. I trust them. I think they're gonna love you no matter what. But, yeah, I think normally it's like, oh, you thought it was a phase? Yeah, and it's like, that's fine.

[B]

But it is funny, though. I, Like, I was scared of them thinking that, and my straight friends have not. And neither of my gay friend. No one in my real life has thought it was, like, a phase or, like, a weird era. Not even that it would ever be weird, but, like, like, you project that onto other people. But, like, it's funny that, like, the community on Tick Tock are the ones that are like, that was a phase for you. Like, And I'm like, you guys are acting like conservative parents towards me. Like, why?

[A]

Right.

[B]

But anyway, I was gonna say, like, I was so scared of them thinking I was, like, different now, and I wanted to be the exact same. And I talked to this. I went to dinner with this girl who actually. I'll just say her name. Her name is Alex. She's like a. She has a cookbook coming out, but she is. She's engaged to her fiance, and she was, like, straight previously, before. And she was telling me that, like, she was worried about being different, too, but then she realized that she is different. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why do I want to go back to being. I don't know. So anyway, yeah, I gave.

[A]

Yeah, I.

[B]

As time went on when I was dating Shannon, I was, like, letting go of, like, the. Like, wanting to be the same. I feel like. I just feel like being gay is, like, cooler. Like, I feel like.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's like. Yeah, it's such a fun experience, and it gives you, like, a different experience on life. And it's also, like, a challenge. And it's, like, fun to talk about. And it's like, yeah, I think people. I think everyone should explore their sexuality. I think they do it just to see if there's, like, a different part of them, like, the whole part of life. Robbie always says this is to, like, get to know yourself. She's like, I want to live till 110. I'm like, like, you're going to be without me for, like, 30 years. Because I'd like to, like, schedule my death. I'm like, 85 at the latest. Yeah. Like, I'm going to be done by then, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Knock on wood. I don't know how I'm going to feel by then. But she's always like, because I won't be done getting to know myself. I'm like, that. I know. That's so true. So it's like that. That's all we're doing. And I have, like. She's, like, pretty. She's, like, very lesbian, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know? Yeah. A new concept around here. Kidding. But she. After her last relationship, she's, like, with a girl now for a long time, and they're like, probably gonna get married, but in between, she was dudes.

[B]

Robbie was.

[A]

No, my friend. Sorry. I, like, switch subjects so fast. Yes.

[B]

I was like, I did not expect that from Robbie.

[A]

No, I didn't.

[B]

Like, she is getting to know her.

[A]

I know. Yeah. I'm like, three steps ahead. Imagine, Robbie has had sex with one dude. She talks that all the time. I don't think she would mind me telling, but she brings it up all the time.

[B]

What kind of guy was this?

[A]

It Somebody. She's like, I, like, berated him. I was so mean to him the whole time. So someone who is just, like, masochistic and also hated himself. Yeah. So she, like, tried it, obviously didn't like it too much. But she always, like, brings up hand jobs, too. She's like, I've given so many hand jobs.

[B]

I hate giving hand jobs. I will never.

[A]

Yeah, because I'm kind of like, do it yourself.

[B]

No, literally. And it's, like, dry.

[A]

It's like, totally. Yeah.

[B]

It doesn't feel good for either person. There's no way.

[A]

No, it's like, how, like, how hard do you want me to squeeze it? It will just, like, pop the top off, you know? Like, it's just like, what? Yeah. What do you like about this? But. Oh, my God. Please. Dear God. But, no, it's hard, but it's like, it is like. It is. It's an experience. It's like, way more than just, like, sexuality. I feel like being gay.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it's like a culture and it's like. Like, they are the smartest. The girls are the smartest.

[A]

I agree. When you said that in your last podcast.

[B]

They are the smartest demographics.

[A]

Yes, I agree. Which is, like, sometimes coming into it, and I'm like, oh, my God. It's like, lesbians are so pretentious. Yes. It's like, you know, dudes are like, oh, my God, that annoying lesbian. But it's just because they're so smart, and they. Yeah.

[B]

Too smart.

[A]

Totally. And they stand on business. But now it's like, it makes sense because, like, smart women get it. Exactly. Kind of like how you want to be treated. And, you know, there's a better, better way. And I feel like they're all well read. I'm like, in my. I don't want kids. And I think then in my 40s, which is a long time away, just to be clear, instead of kids, I'll, like, finally be able to read and really soak in my lesbian.

[B]

You'll turn into one of those. Yeah, that's like, on Tick Tock. Being like, Becca Moore. That was a.

[A]

And I'm gonna turn against you the smarter you are.

[B]

Yeah, probably. It's easier to hate me more.

[A]

No. But I feel like everyone goes through it. Like, everyone who's gay, depending on, like, I guess, like, how gay you are. It's always spectrum still.

[B]

Yeah. But I don't know. I think. I think I'm gonna look back on this and be proud of myself. But also, like, obviously I have regrets. Like, I don't think. I don't know. I think I should have been. I was. I felt. I feel like I was just being naive when I, like, posted that and.

[A]

What? Naive about what?

[B]

Oh, naive about, like, thinking that everyone would be like, oh, that happens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I think I thought everyone would understand that it's not permanent. Like, that might not be how I feel later. And it also is crazy that I'm 26 and, like, I don't. Clearly don't know anything about, like, what's gonna happen in my life. It's weird, like, going through a breakup too. You're like, what the. Where is my life gonna go?

[A]

Like, Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Because, like, for a while, you can't envision your life without them. So you're like, oh, my God. But life naturally, like, takes twists and turns, and you're still, like. Which hopefully you give yourself some grace because, like, you are. You are young. When I was 26, I don't even know what I was doing, but it's like, I hated my 20s, but I had just made broncos. Oh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Yes.

[B]

Okay. So that was, like, a beginning phase of your life, I think, right?

[A]

Like, yeah, totally. Yeah.

[B]

Like, I just don't. That's why I am, like, a little bit. Like, sometimes I do get existential where I'm like, why the hell am I posting all of this stuff online? And, like, should I.

[A]

What does this mean? Yeah, who am I?

[B]

Like? And, like, should I be not posting as much? And, like, I don't know what to do. Yeah, like, I was excited when Tick Tock got banned.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wanted it to be gone because I'm like, at least I won't be able to talk that much about my life anymore. I don't know. Like, I don't know. I just feel like I'm at a crossroads right now, especially going through a breakup. I'm like, what do I share? What do I not share? Like, and.

[A]

And that is for you to decide. But also, it's like, not that you have to do what the people want. It's like, people naturally crave more, and it's like, it is your experience, and they're gonna. Like, your fans are gonna love you at the end of the day no matter what. Like, and I feel like people just love to talk shit right now. But it's like. Like, I just almost feel it means so much to us because it's so hard seeing comments about. About yourself. The people who are putting out, like, whatever those dumbass videos. It's like, okay, I don't even think you believe, like, trying to ruin my life.

[B]

I know. And like, this one girl, I mean, maybe I'll. Please don't clip this part.

[A]

I'm like, no, she'll see this. Yeah.

[B]

But, like, no one that I knew was making these videos. Like, no one in real life, like, character was commenting, and people that didn't expect to, like, reach out to me were reaching out to me to, like, ask if I was okay about the videos. But then, like, this one girl made this video that I Like that. It was just like. It just. That was the only one I commented on. And I was like, like, why? Like, it. It. I think it. When you get, like, quote, unquote, like, canceled, I guess it's like, it doesn't hit you until it's like, something that might be a little bit, like, maybe what she said was, a little bit, like, accurate. Like, it was basically like, there's a difference between culturally queer and, like, culturally straight people, like, talking about me. And I was like, you were signed to my agency. Like, I know you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. So that made me mad. I was like, why? Why? Why do you have to put yourself on a different pedestal? I don't know. It just felt.

[A]

And like, obviously there's. So you're just saying there's a difference between like, gay people and straight people.

[B]

That's what she's saying.

[A]

Yes. Like, we know, like, thank you.

[B]

That I'm straight.

[A]

Like, right.

[B]

It makes me feel, like. So I guess frustrated because I'm like. But I'm not. Like, I like girls.

[A]

Yeah. Like, girls, totally. And, like, I hope, like, you don't think you were canceled, because being canceled, I think at the end of the day, you were just, like, being open and honest, and it's like, you can't be like, are we canceling people for their sexuality. Isn't that the antithesis of, like, what is going on?

[B]

So, like, ironic when you really think about it, it's like, oh, my God.

[A]

Like, totally. I mean, I do. It's like, you would think, like, I understand where people come from. They're like, what, like, deducing it to biology. Like, well, didn't you think of biology before?

[B]

No, I didn't. I did not. We weren't thinking about. I never saw her with a baby.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

You're in. So.

[A]

And you're, like, in your 20s. Like, you're not think about kids.

[B]

I didn't feel the age difference between her and I until I saw her with a baby. And I was like, oh, I should probably tell her. But, no, that's not why we broke up. So that's why. That is why I'm mad at myself.

[A]

You were just totally. You were looking for a scapegoat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're like, this is gonna work. Yeah.

[B]

And I. I.

[A]

So. Which is honestly normal.

[B]

Yeah. And I. I just. I don't want people to think that that is why we. Bro. Like, I want that to be very clear. Like, I do think those families are valid. Like, I don't know how many times.

[A]

But, like, it is, like, a personal experience.

[B]

Those are your kids, right?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I'm going through my own stuff. Do not. And I also want to, like, point out that I'm not, like, a girl. That maybe, like, I think a lot of people are projecting people that they know onto me and being like, I knew. Like, I saw some videos being like. And I shouldn't be playing into these videos. I really shouldn't be even talking about it. But, like, I saw videos being, like, I knew a girl exactly like Becca. Okay, so here's what happened. Like, kind of like. And I understand, because sometimes I do see influencers that remind me of someone that I knew. And, like, I hated the person I knew. So I assume that they're like, yeah. And I totally get it because, like, again, I also consume content Like, I'm. I'm one of you guys. Like, I'm on Reddit. I read the Influencer. La Influencer, too.

[A]

Fomo. But there's also one called a FOMO on Reddit. Oh, yeah. That's the one I follow instead of De Moi. Because also, I don't know, I feel like they're, like, not the most credible. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what I believe.

[A]

Oh, God, I love knowing celebrity drama.

[B]

I know. Me too. And that's why I'm like, that's what.

[A]

People feel about us. We're like D listers.

[B]

It's totally fun for them to be. Like, I knew it. Like, I knew a girl that was like that. But I want to point out I am not a girl that you dated in high school. I'm not like a girl you made out with at a party that after you made out, was like, I actually want to go back to men.

[A]

Right. Because I've never even said I want to.

[B]

Yeah. And I never said I want to go back to men. Men.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know. Yeah. I don't know where to go from here. But, like, I do. I just hope that people don't remember that, like, telephone game that happened on TikTok and think that I'm like, I've given up on my sexuality, kind of. So.

[A]

Yeah, don't forget about it. I feel like people, like, especially now, like, there's so much news and headlines that things come and go so fast, unfortunately for the good things, but very fortunately for the bad things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But even, like, I've struggled, which I feel like I've been open here, like, I've definitely struggled with the. And I feel like with you, with the sex part of things, because coming from, like, a straight world, like, I equate sex, like penetration, and that is something that I've, like, really been working with. I mean, like, Robbie and I have great sex. You know, I'm, like, trying to prove, like, don't you think any different? But it's like. And there's. There's things that, like, are much different than her. But still, I'm like, I'm so used to the bing, bing, boom. You know, just like kind of procedural. Like, I have a whole. That's where it go for the dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's so natural. But now, even with strap ons, like, I still can't find one that I like. And sometimes we don't always want to do it. So it's like, that's pretty similar. Like, I'm still Struggling with that. We, like, now we'll, like, try and schedule sex so it really works for us. Like, in the morning, we'll be like, do you want to have sex tonight? But, yeah, now I feel like I'm not as spontaneous because I don't know what I'm getting myself into still.

[B]

Like, what do you mean? Like, you don't know what's gonna happen?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, kind of. Or I. Yeah, I don't know which way it's to go or how we're going to have sex or I don't, like, I guess I don't feel as comfortable when you're not as close with someone emotionally. I feel like it's easier to, like. Yes, yeah, yeah. To just, like, spread your legs and be like, this is it, baby. But, like, now I'm like, oh, my God. I really care about her. Like, it's almost like the more we fall in love, the more awkward it gets. I know.

[B]

I used to feel that way, too.

[A]

Yes. I'm like, oh, my God. I see her every day now. She's, like, suffocating between my legs. Like, is this, like, supposed to happen? Like, it feels so scary.

[B]

I know, because sometimes I would, like, I. Because I loved my ex girlfriend so much. Like, sometimes I would be like. When she would be, like, doing stuff to me for, like, a long time, I would be like, I feel kind of bad. Like, I love you making stuff now. Like, I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, totally. With a dude, I'd just be like, go down.

[B]

Because they would finish in, like, two seconds. Like, it's like. Yeah, I understand what you mean. But I think for me, that was more like. I think I wanted to be, like, objectified by the guy.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And, like, I wanted him to come. I didn't care if I did or not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, like, in the beginning of Shannon and I having sex, like, I wasn't even thinking about me coming ever. Until, like, half. Like, honestly, like, three months in, I was like, yeah.

[A]

Oh, wait, wait a second. Yeah, like, my turn.

[B]

Yeah. Like, and that's. I think that is, like, built into our brains.

[A]

Like, it's the. It's the co. Fet or.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes, totally. Yeah. It's like, that's how we started having sex, because that's how dudes make us think that this is the way sex is going to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, these were my. These were our first sexual experiences. So it's, like, hard to un. She was the first girl.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. The girl I went on a first date with, she was like, Going to kiss me. And I'm like, oh, thank God you didn't.

[B]

Why didn't you like her?

[A]

I forget her name.

[B]

You forget her name?

[A]

Oh, come on, come on, come on. This is like, okay. I am. God. No, I really, I did. She was, like, kind of femme, and we were both bi. Like, not having a lot of experiences with girls. So I'm like, I don't totally feel safe with you. And plus, I want someone to take charge.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, Robbie really takes charge, especially in, like, your first experience. I don't know what I doing, but she was. I liked the way she, like, looked me up and down. Like, I feel like girls are just naturally sexier and, like, obvious.

[B]

Yes, obviously.

[A]

Yes. Like, so that's how I knew I wanted to keep dating girls. But even with Robbie, she just has a way of, like, making you so comfortable that. To where you don't think about it. We were, like, about to smoke a cig after our first dinner date, and this. She did get this from a movie, and I forget which one, but she pulled her car over and she was like, we're gonna kiss right now. Just to, like, get it out of the way. I'm like, oh, my God. And there was like, she loves Christ. Yeah. She's, like, so unpredictable. She just loves listening to Christian music. And there was, like, she had a blasting, and I'm like, this is. I'm not going to make out to this song. So we, like, found a new one and then kissed.

[B]

Wait, that's cute, though.

[A]

But, yeah, it is.

[B]

Like, I felt like the sex would be so different with a girl than. Yeah. Guy. Like, in the beginning, I was so. Oh, my God. I was terrified for our first date. Like, I was so scared that we would hook up. Like, I was like, what if I don't, like, what if I like her romantically, but not, like, physically, but then, yeah, they go hand in hand.

[A]

Like, yeah, totally.

[B]

Like, it was easy. But, yeah, it was different at first. Like, I did feel bad. I felt, like, guilty a lot in our sex. In the beginning, I was like, I feel bad that you probably don't feel as good as I feel right now. At the same time, like, I wanted. Even though I don't care when she was feeling good when I. I was not, you know, not. But it feels like it's hot to make the other person.

[A]

Totally. Yes. Yes.

[B]

So. And then you figure out, like, as you get more advanced, but as you graduate from talking about her sex life experience.

[A]

Right. It's hard because it's like, Just experience. But I feel like old. It kind of goes to show that like, you still have to like grow out of those things and relearn and.

[B]

Like, and like what makes you actually feel good. Like you have to figure that. That out.

[A]

Like you really have to open your mind.

[B]

And I don't know if a man and a woman can get. That's why I'm like, I don't even know if I believe in like straightness. Because I'm like, yeah. Can they actually get there? I don't know. I've never had that experience. Like, yeah, actually figuring out because I feel like my sex before a woman was all about like the man. Like, and like say it would turn me on to make them turned on. And maybe that is. Maybe I just like that. Like maybe. I don't know. But like I'm trying to unlearn a lot. Like I'm just trying to figure out like what actually. Actually.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What actually turns me on. So. Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

No, yeah. And you have to explore those things.

[B]

I know that sound like everyone should hook up with a girl like one time in their life. Maybe more than that. I think that a lot of times people hook up with one girl and then it's like wrong for them. Like it's like the wrong kind of girl for them.

[A]

It's just like kind of like, which I know this is different, but it's like kind of like dating your high school sweetheart, right?

[B]

Like, imagine hooking, trying it one time and then like hating it. Because like I think I've told this story so many times, but like I hooked up with, I mean I made out with this girl at a gay bar when I was like 22. And I like we made out in the bathroom stall. Cuz she had drugs and I just wanted the drugs. And she. Because she came up to me and she's like, are you gay?

[A]

And I was like like now I am.

[B]

And she was like, I think you're gay. And then I was like, okay. And then she told me she had drugs.

[A]

What kind of drugs?

[B]

Can I say it on here?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It was obviously cocaine in the bathroom. I was in my coke era when I was like 21.

[A]

So we go, aren't we all? I had mine later, like 27, I guess.

[B]

God, that would be hard for me to shake at times.

[A]

I know. I wish I had a way bigger like drug era.

[B]

I had a big drug era, honestly. Fun fact.

[A]

We love to hear it.

[B]

Yeah, not anymore. Well, some. I like mushrooms.

[A]

I mean, same. Yeah. If it's offered, like, I won't say no.

[B]

Yeah, it's hard for me to say, even. Anyway. Yeah. No brand sponsors see me saying that. Anyway. Yeah. We go in the bathroom and then we start making out. And then I was like. I think I was like, hi. And she was like, do you want to come home with me? And then I went home with her and I slept in a bed with her. And we didn't hook up or anything. We just made out in the bathroom. But I woke up in the morning and I was like, I'm next to a girl right now. And I, like, went to leave, and then I had her. I guess I had her scrunchie in my hair.

[A]

Cute.

[B]

No, it turns not cute because I.

[A]

She was like, can I back.

[B]

Can I have my scrunchie back?

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Like, ew.

[A]

Yeah, just kiss it goodbye. Yeah.

[B]

Don't you have so many, like. And then I was like, a man would never ask for his. Well, maybe he would, actually.

[A]

Yeah. She probably just wanted to see you again or some. I know.

[B]

No, but then she would leave the scrunchie with me, you know?

[A]

Yeah, right. Like, if you don't care, then sometimes girls are so particular about their stuff, which I was, like, scared of. I was like, yeah, ew.

[B]

But that. And. But that girl was also really, like, feminine. And I didn't. I wasn't attracted to her. No offense. But yeah, I don't know where she is. But yeah, like, now if that. I had took that experience and like, anytime people. Because I would say things that were gay, like, I would say, like, I'm not attracted to any guys on any of these reality shows. I'm only attracted to, like. Like, I would just say things that were gay in front of my friends, and they'd be like, I think you're gay. And then I would be like, no, I.

[A]

Trust me, right?

[B]

I went home with a girl and I did not, like, like it. And so I thought that I wasn't. But then. Yeah, I think it just takes one. It takes one girl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To me, then you will know. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah, it always just takes one.

[B]

The right one, you know, not like a scrunchie girl. Like, you need to find one that is your type. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

No in types. And, like, I feel like gay relationships are hard because they might. That I might have, like, liked feminine girls before. And, like, I mean, this is. I feel like. Have you seen the substance?

[B]

No.

[A]

Shut the up about it.

[B]

Is there bl. Blood? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you don't oh, there's a lot of blood.

[B]

But I do want to hear the plot.

[A]

It's. It's really good. Like, not even the plot. Just because I love Demi Moore and Margaret Quayley is offensively hot. I take it all personally. And, like, seeing her on the screen is just, like, not fair. But she's also a dancer, so, like. And they would do, like, the movie is just whoever. The director and, like, camera operators were just, like, probably having such boners doing some of these shots. I'm like, this. But it's just like, she's, like, twerking and doing aerobics, and they would do really sexy shots. And I watched it with my two girlfriends who are straight, and I'm like, oh, so turned on. I'm like, oh, my God. I feel embarrassed. But the plot is, like, basically, Demi Moore ages out of Hollywood. So then she gets a call, and it's like, oh, spoiler, spoiler. But it doesn't give it, like, I feel like it's a lot of, like, sci fi kind of weirdly and. And horror. She. Hi, baby.

[B]

Hi, Robbie. How are you?

[A]

She likes to sneak around. Hi, babe. How are you? I have it right here. I had to tape these mics, but it's Scotch tape. Okay. Hi, Robbie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But she gets, like. She gets a call, and then they could. They're offering this. It's called the substance, and it is.

[B]

Like plastic surgery surgery.

[A]

Kind of. You inject it, and it's like, it combines all of your genes to make the best version of yourself. And then Margaret Quaily pops out of the back like, she, like, gives birth, like a horror movie. And then Margaret Quaily is like, the best version of Demi Moore. And then she goes on the same trajectory, but then it's like, there's a punishment for just, like, wanting more and more and more to fit the beauty standard. Like, so she didn't follow all the rules correctly. And then she turns into, like, a big, scary monster at the end, which I kind of loved because Margaret or Demi Moore's face was, like, on the back, and she was stuck, like, the whole time. I'm like, imagine filming this. And then at the end, like, a boob, like, popped out of an eyeball. It was. I loved it.

[B]

That is, like, such a metaphor for, like.

[A]

Yes. I'm like, that's how I feel. Getting Botox and, like, lip filler and facials. I'm like, I'm exhausted. I don't want to give this up.

[B]

Tmj, Botox last week and the Girl was like. I was like, I just want master Botox, like, right here. And she was like, no, you need full face. And now I'm, like, so mad at myself because one of my eyebrows, like, higher than the other. Every time I get Botox, I don't like it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I hate it every time. I don't know why I keep going.

[A]

Yeah, no, same. I've laid off a little bit because it's like. Because remember when, like, the eyebrows were in and everybody wanted an eyebrow lift and we all were, like, looking evil? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, like, such a trend now, looking back. I'm like, I don't think that's good.

[B]

I know. That's why I'm like. And I wanted a nose job for so long.

[A]

And you have a great nose.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But no, now I think it's, like, cuter to not be. Like, I even almost regret my boob job sometimes. I have a boob job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I regret it. I'm like, why did I do that?

[A]

Yeah. Margaret Quailey had, like, everything will, for the next, like, three weeks, will be related to Margaret Quaily. I'm obsessed. But she had, like, prosthetic boobs. And I'm like, oh, those look so good. I love big boobs.

[B]

I don't know. But then I look at yours, and I'm like, I wish I could wear. Because you can wear more. Like. And I don't want. Want to feel like anytime I wear anything, it's, like, bloody or totally.

[A]

You toe the line of hoe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's, like, a little too sexual and.

[B]

I'm attracting the wrong audience. Like, anytime I make a video on Tick Tock, if my boobs are even.

[A]

A little out, like, yeah, all the dudes come running.

[B]

They're like, I thought you were a lesbian. Stop talking.

[A]

It's like, no, but I can still talk about you. I love getting those comments because I'm like, you are so bothered.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, let it hang out.

[B]

So mad. And, like, all I did, like, I made a video last week being like, something about pick me. So it was like, when men post. Don't. It was like, either if they post too much or if they don't post enough. And then men were like, really? We can't do anything anymore.

[A]

And it's like, can't stay up social media. It's not for you.

[B]

Stop commenting. Why are you. They're, like, 48 with, like, like, a daughter in their profile picture. And I'm like, I'm not your you're never going to meet me. And you're. You live in Wisconsin. We're never going to meet, literally.

[A]

And if I'm your demo, you're a pervert.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And I'm reporting you wife.

[B]

Like ye.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Getting so mad at me. Tells me that they're like, just jealous. Jealous of me or something. I don't know.

[A]

Totally. They're jealous that they could never have you. It's like you're letting it hang out. It's like Mark Zuckerberg.

[B]

I know, but I don't. Wait, what? I don't know why I said. I know.

[A]

He's like, has that hot girlfriend or wife that he brought to the inauguration and he was just staring at her tits the whole time and she was wearing like kind of a lacy thing. But it's like you knew he could never get a hot girl in high school, and that's why he wants to take over the world now with all his money.

[B]

Are you talking about Elon?

[A]

Who. Who are you talking. Mark Zuckerberg.

[B]

I thought he was married to that. Maybe.

[A]

Maybe that's his wife.

[B]

The girl with the white lacey.

[A]

Yes, that's his wife.

[B]

No. Oh, I don't think so. But I saw the meme of him looking at her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know if they were. I think it's just a random.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

Maybe politician or something.

[A]

Totally. I don't know if she's a politician. Who is that?

[B]

I've seen that meme, but I never. I thought his wife.

[A]

Should I look it up?

[B]

Isn't his wife Asian?

[A]

Let's see my Mark Zuckerberg hot girl inauguration. But you know, he's just trying to ruin our country. Take off. Tick tock. Because he could just never get girls in high school. It's like he was bullied and it's.

[B]

Like the kill the cheerleader thing. Like, let's kill the cheerleader. I don't know. I saw this like, YouTuber self help YouTuber talking about it and she was like, men that weren't cool in high school, like, when they become rich and famous later in life, they want to like, get revenge on the girl that was like, popular in high school. And it's like, kill the cheerleader.

[A]

Like, literally.

[B]

Yeah, they're mad at girls that were cooler than them when they're formative years.

[A]

Yeah. No, actually, that's so true. Which they don't know and they'll never admit, but it's like if they were in a room of cheerleaders, they'd all be dead. Sounds okay. Mark Zuckerberg from the New York Post, the most credible, reliable outlet in journalism was. Okay, Facebook billionaire Mark Zuckerberg was busted, apparently oogling Lauren Sanchez's cleavage. So who's Lauren Sanchez? Oh, God. Let's see. I hope she's a politician dressing like that. That would be me. That would be, like, iconic American journalist and author. Damn, she looks good. And she's 45.

[B]

Yeah, she's 55. Okay, so there is, like, hope, like, oh, my God, will get hot later in life.

[A]

Yes. Oh, my. After seeing Demi Moore, which I don't know, like, if there was any, like, prosthetic going on, but, like, she's had kids, so obviously, like, her stomach is different. But, like, seeing that, I was like, holy shit, this is so hot just watching you. And, like, I can't wait to just, like, not give a fudge.

[B]

Okay, so I went in to get a nose job and I came out with a boob job instead.

[A]

Like, like, wrong part of your body, you know, it was all in one day.

[B]

Yeah, but yeah, like, I can't believe I almost got a note. Like, the less surgery, the better. Basically, I'm saying, like, yeah, young people maybe get a. I might get a facelift later in life.

[A]

But, like, oh, absolutely.

[B]

I would totally regret if I got a nose job. Like, I wouldn't. I don't want to look like everyone else anymore.

[A]

Yeah, same. So I feel like filler and stuff is going away. Thank God I still have my lip filler from, like, no, saying I'm like, lip filler doesn't count. Please, please.

[B]

It is, like, semi permanent. I swear to God. Like, why hasn't it gone down?

[A]

Just smoke some ciggies.

[B]

I have one. Okay.

[A]

No, that's what helps me get through breakups or any kind of down bad. I remember when I lived in Denver, I would take like 20 to 30 minute drives blasting Olivia Rodrigo driver's license.

[B]

Oh, my God, that sounds awesome.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

I've been looking that entire album. I'm like, yeah, right now. Yeah, feels awesome. But no, I only let myself smoke when I am talking to the camera. Yeah, I do not smack. I only do it when I, like, am with my friends. And I've had like two Margaret. Like, if I. I feel like if I ever got to the point where I bought. But it is funny because I always want everyone else to have a pack of cigs.

[A]

So you expect it.

[B]

You know, I'm never good. I can't be nice enough to buy one.

[A]

No, I do. Like, I Wish there was a better way that you didn't have to buy a pack because same.

[B]

I like one.

[A]

Yes. I'm like a party planner and I want to, like, come with all the good kids. So I'm like, if. If I'm around, like, girls who smoke, I'm gonna bring a pack of cigs, but then I bring them home. And then what? Then my publicist calls and I'm like, are you sure? Is this gonna happen? Like, so stressful. But it's like. I don't know why.

[B]

It is scary, though, because a lot of my friends, like, I've watched some of my friends be like, the party smokers. And then, yeah, I'll see them, like, posting on their story at like 2pm on a Tuesday, smoking a cig, you know, I'm like, I'm scared that's gonna be me.

[A]

I know, but we're young and I've said this once, and I' Vitamin C inject, like, in the vein.

[B]

Oh, is that the thing? Does it make you, like, nauseous for a while and then. But you're supposed to feel.

[A]

Oh, yes, that's nad.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which I also love. But we use as a nurse, and there's been so many studies, and it's actually really cheap. It's not cheap in the vitamin shops, obviously, because they're racking up the prices because capitalism. But we gave it to everyone in the hospital for. And it. It's like the. That and the Mediterranean diet are the only thing to prevent cancer. So maybe all of that combined with the siggy. You'll negate my balance.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[B]

Or I could take the substance to look hot, like.

[A]

Yeah, actually.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Probably will be something like that.

[A]

She ended up just exploding at the end, which is like, probably a metaphor for something. But it's like, if I go out, I definitely want to go out with a bang.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like I would dabble at 85. Yeah.

[B]

Has to be at 85. But, yeah. If you looked like that, what's the point of being alive, Right?

[A]

Yeah. And it didn't seem like. It's like she's really down bad. And the end. It's really the industry that killed her, not her want and need. It's the beauty standard.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So, please. Women are the victims. When.

[B]

Once again, no, I know. I can always find a way to be the victim. Yeah.

[A]

No, lean in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People love victims. I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for my victimhood.

[B]

I don't know when I've ever been Canceled or anything?

[A]

Oh, my God, yes. How One time, Robbie and I were on an airplane and we thought it would be funny to like, post a story. I mean, it was like, whatever. I guess it's like there's a corner of the Internet that feels really strongly about not switching seats on an airplane. And we asked like, this guy a times. Also, his butt crack was hanging out. Also. He was just an. So that compounded with assertiveness and I know she's in the other room. And attraction to confrontation, like need for that. It just like, kind of blew up. She was giving a play by play on her story. She's like, now I'm. Because he wouldn't switch. And he was in the aisle. I had an aisle seat too. He just like, did not want to switch. And I was like, okay, whatever he brought, like, he probably just didn't like us because he's homophobic. Once again, we're the victims. But Robbie was like, now I'm gonna get up every five seconds. And sure enough, she did. She was like, I gotta go to the bathroom. So he had to get up. And then she was digging in her bag. So he had to get up. And people were like, made a huge deal about it on Tick Tock. Just like calling us.

[B]

But if he also had an aisle seat, why the hell would he not? Why does it matter?

[A]

Right? People are like, he paid for that seat. I'm like, do you think I'm here for free? I also paid for my seat. And he would have, like, gone. I was ahead of him in a bigger seat. So he out earlier. He was just like, this was in his personality. But you cannot talk about it online because people take it really serious.

[B]

Yeah. Because they identify with the man with his butt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why do people care? I don't understand why people care.

[A]

I know. And some people are down with it. Some people are like, totally, I'll switch. Like, no big. Especially if it's an equal.

[B]

I'm like, unless it's me, then I don't want to. But if I'm in an aisle seat and like, I'm switching to an aisle, I literally don't give. It would make me more uncomfortable to not switch because then I would feel guilty the entire flight.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Some people are just, like, stubborn. I mean, it used to be a.

[A]

Thing, like, I will say people are catching on. Because maybe one to two years ago, a switch was so easy, everyone would have done it, including me. But now I'm like, okay, I got to be sure. Like, Robbie and I plan ahead. We're not switching seats anymore. I can't take it. I don't know if these are the people commenting on my TikTok writing in to TMZ.

[B]

No, literally, it really caught fire.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know, but at least you got canceled for that.

[A]

Not, like, yeah, I know.

[B]

Babies or whatever.

[A]

No, you don't hate babies. That's so out of context.

[B]

But even if I did, like, why would I.

[A]

No, same. I don't want kids. I did a whole thing on how, like, I cannot with the dog mom.

[B]

And people were like, yeah, you are a dog mom.

[A]

I'm. Yeah, But I don't consider him. He's nothing like me. He. I will. Yes. No, it's is. The apple is falling really far from the tree here. If I'm his mom, like, he's so annoying. He's so dumb, but he's really cute. He's like, now that he's getting older, like, yeah, maybe I'm accepting him more. It took me seven and a half years to like him. Yeah. But now I'm making him stare into my eyes because, like, I think that's the way you feel connected with the dog. So, like, I never.

[B]

I'm a cap or I've. No, I feel like he knows that we're talking about it.

[A]

No, he does, but he just doesn't care. Like, he's also a boy and loves to be abused. But I heard with cats, that's like, if they so slow. Blink at you.

[B]

Yeah, I think loves me, but he's so annoying, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, he. I don't know. Doesn't matter.

[A]

No, totally. But I think. Thank you so much for coming.

[B]

Thank you for having me. This is, like, really fun. We had a little bit of wine. Is Monday at 2pm Really? I needed it today. Yeah, I was, like, on my way here, like, literally about to cry. Like, every time I was about to cry, I was, like, putting my head down, like, so that the makeup wouldn't go down.

[A]

You're, like, dabbing, like, please don't cry, Please. But then it makes you want to cry more.

[B]

I know, because I'm like. I feel bad for myself. I'm like, oh, I'm. Why am I. I don't know. Why am I about to cry? But anyway, no, it's hard.

[A]

Thank you for coming here.

[B]

This is a good, like, therapy distraction, honestly.

[A]

Okay, good. Well, we love you here at Long Winded. How can we find you?

[B]

You can follow my podcast at. Or the girls with that Becca Moore. And I'm on TikTok. Sadly. And Instagram.

[A]

Okay. Yay. Thank you.

[B]

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