Charli XCX

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Long Winded with Gabby Windey

Episode: Charli XCX
Date: January 29, 2026
Host: Gabby Windey

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant, candid episode, Gabby Windey is joined by the irrepressible Charli XCX for a lively conversation that seamlessly blends deep dives into art, persona, feminism, aging, and creativity—with plenty of laughs and pop culture gossip. Charli shares her insights on art, vulnerability, and her head-spinning workload, from music and film to questionable brand deals. The episode lives up to Gabby’s promise to skip the shallow questions and get to the heart of her guest’s experiences, all while maintaining a relatable and playful tone.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

Instant Connection & Female Bonding

Timestamps: 01:10 – 03:02

• Gabby and Charli kick things off with immediate mutual appreciation, joking about “getting into trouble” and discussing gossip as a form of healthy female bonding.
• Notable Quote:
  “It’s healthy. What else are we supposed to talk about? We’re just mindless little women.”
  – Charli XCX (02:32)

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Persona, Performance, and Internet Culture

Timestamps: 04:07 – 11:16

• Charli digs into the idea of persona—how public perception informs creative expression, and the performance inherent in both internet presence and artistry.
• They unpack how their public images are reduced to digestible fragments (“she smokes, parties, wears sunglasses…”), and the challenge—and power—of flipping or embracing those tropes.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Everything is kind of a performance in life these days.”
    – Charli XCX (05:25)
  • “The world holds up this very simple mirror back at you… the things that travel the most online become what the world thinks you are.”
    – Charli XCX (06:18)
• Gabby relates her own experience as “The Bachelorette” and changing perceptions as she came out as a lesbian:
  “Some people aren’t letting me evolve… but the core is still there.”
  – Gabby (12:11)

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Vulnerability, Feminism & Fighting Stereotypes

Timestamps: 07:46 – 13:37

• Charli discusses the tension between expectation and reality for women in the public eye, and the vulnerability in her songwriting ("Sympathy is a knife, why I want a gun, why I want to kill myself, me every day in my head").
• Both laugh about being deemed “not for kids” and being rebellious role models (“Literally, don’t do what I do.” – Charli, 08:15).
• They praise embracing imperfection and complexity in female identity.

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Embracing Age, Confidence & Hollywood Pressures

Timestamps: 15:33 – 19:52

• Charli and Gabby reflect on aging, especially in showbiz, and how they now feel more grounded and self-assured than in their twenties.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “I feel so much happier… I feel really good about aging.”
    – Charli XCX (17:04–18:41)
  • Gabby: “Being in the industry… once you turn 30, you’re like, I’m just gonna lean in. I am who I am.” (19:34)

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Pop Culture Deep Dive: Real Housewives & Reality TV

Timestamps: 21:31 – 29:02

• A hilarious, in-depth analysis of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City—favorite cast members, psychoanalyzing personas, and gendered “sports.”
• Charli: “It’s our sport. My husband also kind of likes watching Salt Lake sometimes. He’s a really good straight man.” (23:06)
• They discuss loyalty, conflict, and the contrast between on- and off-camera dynamics, and joke about launching a Denver Housewives franchise.

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Creating 'The Moment': Inspiration & Process

Timestamps: 30:09 – 36:02

• Charli shares behind-the-scenes insights on her film “The Moment”—from the inspiration and writing process to casting and the chaos of production.
• Charli on the fly-on-the-wall style: “Every character kind of had their own very, like, interactive and charged relationship with the camera…” (31:34)
• She emphasizes honesty in portraying the messiness of an artist’s career, and references the importance of not always being the “hero” in her own story.

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“Brat,” Trusting Instincts & Artistic Risks

Timestamps: 39:13 – 41:42

• Charli details the creation of her acclaimed album Brat, revealing she accepted the risk that it might flop: “I had a huge vision for it, but I was like, and if it flops… at least I made this for me.”
  – Charli XCX (40:13)
• The importance of making work for yourself and resisting those who want you to conform to mainstream expectations.

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Brand Deals: The Good, The Bad, and The Absurd

Timestamps: 42:21 – 47:49

• Both share outrageous and embarrassing brand offers—Gabby nearly becoming the “face of Good Wipes” and Charli's surreal Doritos/Stranger Things and Hello Kitty Japan ads.
• Notable Quote:
  “Do you like Hello Kitty? Do you like me? Well, then you’re gonna love Hello Kitty Japan!”
  – Charli XCX on her ad dialogue (46:29)

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Performance, Shame & Content Creation in Public

Timestamps: 48:03 – 49:19

• Discussion about overcoming embarrassment while filming content in public spaces, and the necessity to “get over yourself” if you’re going to survive as a creator.
• Charli: “I got to be more like Addison [Rae]. That’s cool, you know?” (48:39)

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Wuthering Heights: Soundtrack, Process, and Literary Ties

Timestamps: 49:21 – 54:17

• Charli explains working on the Wuthering Heights soundtrack, collaborating with John Cale, and how she tailored songs to Emerald Fennell’s script (not just the book).
• Both are re-reading the novel, noting its differences from the film adaptation.

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Acting: TV, Movies, and Learning On the Job

Timestamps: 55:32 – 62:45

• Gabby talks about filming her first scripted TV show; Charli shares her love of acting, learning from directors, and collaborating with Greg Araki.
• Charli uses dream work in her acting prep, tying personal dream imagery to character development.
• Discussing Patricia Arquette's ability to embrace "ugly" roles, Charli reflects on letting go of vanity for authenticity: “To be, like, a little ugly… it’s, like, how I felt on 'The Moment,' for sure.” (64:08)

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Filming “The Moment” – Iconic Scenes and Cameos

Timestamps: 64:20 – 69:34

• Gabby and Charli rave about cameos (Kylie Jenner, Kate Berlant, Rachel Sennott) and legendary bathroom scenes.
• Both share affection for the camaraderie and improvisation on set.

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Work vs. Rest, Creative Drive & Future Projects

Timestamps: 69:45 – 71:47

• Charli admits she often forgoes breaks because of her passion for work; she derives deep fulfillment from constant creation.
• Both women express excitement over career expansions and mutual support.

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Memorable Quotes

Charli XCX:

• “Everything is kind of a performance in life these days.” [05:25]
• “I never claim to be a role model. That is my worst nightmare. Literally, don’t do what I do.” [08:15]
• “I feel really good about aging and getting older. There’s something really chic about it to me.” [18:41]
• “I would rather run myself into the ground than be Zen… I get so much reward from creating.” [70:21]
• “You never know… I love doing what I do so much.” [70:19]
• “To be, like, a little, like, ugly… it’s, like, how I felt on The Moment, for sure.” [64:08]

Gabby Windey:

• “Some people aren’t letting me evolve… but the core is still there.” [12:11]
• “Once you turn 30, you’re like, I’m just gonna lean in. I am who I am.” [19:34]
• On public content creation: “If it’s for money and I’m on anti-anxiety meds… I’ll meet you in the parking lot.” [48:54]

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Notable Moments

• Charli’s hilarious rundown of the worst brand deals she’s been offered—and the ones she accepted.
• In-depth “Real Housewives” psychoanalysis and cross-comparisons to sports, highlighting reality TV’s undervalued complexity.
• The breakneck, chaotic production of The Moment, and the blending of real and performance personas.
• Bonds formed on set, from music video chaos to star-studded cameos and mutual respect for other strong women.

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Conclusion

This episode is a joyful, thoughtful exploration into the artistry, humor, anxieties, and ambitions of Charli XCX, filtered through Gabby Windey’s effervescent lens. Packed with industry wisdom, feminist observations, tales from both the pop and film worlds, and genuinely funny moments, it’s as meta and illuminating as the art Charli creates. If you want to understand the woman behind the persona—and laugh about “asshole wipes” and Hello Kitty Japan too—this conversation can’t be missed.

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Transcript

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[Robbie]

Yeah, is that you? Got it. Okay, we are going. Oh, my God. Charlie xcx. What an honor.

[Charli XCX]

Oh my God. What an honor to be here with you. Gabby.

[Robbie]

Do people fully call you like Charlie XCX all the time?

[Charli XCX]

No. No. But you can if you want.

[Robbie]

Okay. Thank you.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, you're welcome.

[Robbie]

How are you?

[Charli XCX]

I'm good. I'm a little tired. I've been like doing promo.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And Stu. But this doesn't feel like promo. This feels like a meeting of minds.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Charli XCX]

Do you know what I mean?

[Robbie]

Yes. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I feel like we are like meant to be friends.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God. Stop. Same. I mean, I feel like everyone feels that way about you.

[Charli XCX]

I. They don't. You know, they actually don't. But I just think you and I just feel like we could like get into trouble. Have a lot of fun.

[Robbie]

Yeah. You know. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

No, I love it. I mean, same. I love to get into trouble with. With you.

[Charli XCX]

Let's do it. Let's make it happen.

[Robbie]

But I don't get into a lot of these days. I just like to smoke a lot of weed.

[Charli XCX]

Right.

[Robbie]

Yeah. So you have to show me your ways.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. That's. I think I can do that. That's fine. It can be like low key trouble.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Charli XCX]

You know.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. You can just gossip.

[Robbie]

My favorite. That's what it is. And it's like. It's how women bond. There's so much stigma against gossip. One of my favorite topics. But it's like. It's because women do it, baby.

[Charli XCX]

It's healthy.

[Robbie]

It is.

[Charli XCX]

It's healthy. What Else are we supposed to talk about? We're just mindless little women.

[Robbie]

Yeah, Mindless. And it's like, it's okay to talk about friends. From a loving way, but it's like, you know, sometimes you have to like, decompress if you're worried about people.

[Charli XCX]

Totally.

[Robbie]

Like, maybe she should leave him, actually.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Leave him too long.

[Charli XCX]

I agree. She should leave him.

[Robbie]

Are you in LA for. You don't live here, right?

[Charli XCX]

I do, actually. Yeah. I live here and in London.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God. Okay. I thought you were in New York

[Charli XCX]

and I also live in New York. I just. It felt weird.

[Robbie]

Chic.

[Charli XCX]

It felt.

[Robbie]

I have three houses. No, you're like Bico still. Plus across the pond.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I just. I didn't want. It felt weird to list it out, so I just left one.

[Robbie]

Please. Let's hear it. Where else do you have a house? That's it.

[Charli XCX]

That's it. That's it. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

So wait, I got to watch the moment. Oh, you did?

[Charli XCX]

You watched it? Yes. Yeah.

[Robbie]

It was so good.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Loved it. I mean, yeah, I, like, could go on and on. Who's. Was it your idea?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it was based on an idea of mine and I worked with the I on the idea with Aiden Zamiri, who's the director, who's done, like a lot of my music videos. Videos for Billie Eilish.

[Robbie]

Music videos are full productions.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you. And honestly, like, I couldn't do it without Aiden. I mean, he's just got such an eye and he's such a fab director, so.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, we worked on this project together the Moment and I don't know, it was just. It was really fun. I just. I really love, like, the meta. Ness that can come alongside being an artist.

[Robbie]

You're so meta.

[Charli XCX]

Thanks, babe. Yeah, I feel like you are too, in ways. Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know, it's like, what is meta? Yeah. But like, you know it when you see it.

[Charli XCX]

We should do a TED talk about it, probably.

[Robbie]

Yeah. You know, we're like, what actually is it?

[Charli XCX]

I think it's, like, interesting that. I mean, I literally have spent five minutes with you.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

So I do not know you very well, but I feel like you understand, like, the idea of Persona. And I feel like you're. I'm guessing that you're possibly kind of interested in the idea of Persona. Maybe. I don't know.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And I find that to be a really, like, rich source of inspiration, you know?

[Robbie]

Yeah. Like, when you mean, like, Persona, like how other people see you.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And like, sort of sometimes like taking the kind of the thing, like the kind of like top line notes on what other people think that you are and really like either completely flipping it or like totally playing into it in this kind of character kind of a way.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

To almost make it, like, I don't know, an art piece or something. I find that really interesting, like, the way that everything is kind of a performance in life these days. Like, especially with like, everybody's kind of, you know, Internet presence and stuff like that.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And I. Yeah, I just find, like, it to be interesting how far you can take the performance sometimes.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Do you think it's conscious, like, in the beginning? Because it's like, I feel like only in the last couple years have I most recently been online. And in the beginning I was like, I didn't even really, like, not that I care or cared or didn't care, but I didn't even realize there was like a perception of me.

[Charli XCX]

Sure, sure.

[Robbie]

Because you're just kind of being yourself. But once you. You learn enough about it, I feel like it's almost subconscious that you, like, lean into it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I mean, it's funny. It's like, I think the world, like, holds up this very simple mirror back at you. And the things that they see are. Unless they know you really well, have perhaps been following you for a long time, they kind of like project back the thing that travels the most. Like, the thing that has, like, the most. The. The elements of your personality that are spoken about the most. The things that, like, travel the most online or have like, the most word of mouth around them.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And then that's like, what you become like. Or that's what, like, the world thinks that you are. And therefore, when you do those kind of few tiny things, it sort of like, proves the point. Like.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

For me, it's like, you know, she smokes eggs and parties and, like, wears sunglasses.

[Robbie]

Yeah, right.

[Charli XCX]

And like, she doesn't have a brain because she's like, so high all the time. I'm like, right, right.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

That, like, helps you, like, understand, like, my work, then, like, go for it.

[Robbie]

Totally, you know. Yeah, right, right. But it's like, you're successful, but even, like, I feel like people who really pay attention to you, like, even explaining this, I watched a little of you on goop. You're so good about articulating, like, what this is and kind of where you draw your inspiration from. And obviously, like, you do. You have to think about these things so you can, like, implement them into your art.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And like, even your lyrics and, like, really listening to you. Like, you're. I mean, you're obviously a feminist, but you speak such from, like, a point of view that we don't always hear. It's like, you know, women are supposed to be, like, amiable. We're supposed. Supposed to follow directions. We're supposed to be easy. But you have this fun music that's just like that.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

There's, like, other women that exist. Yeah. It's actually, like, more fun.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And it's like, I'm never gonna claim to be someone who's perfect. Like, I'm so far from it. I never claim to be a role model. Like, that is my worst nightmare. Yeah, no, same. Literally, don't do what I do. Right. Basically is my message.

[Robbie]

And like, we're not for kids.

[Charli XCX]

No.

[Robbie]

Like, the comment Karens are like, ye. Yeah. Like, put the cigs down.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

Oh, come on. Like, I see the cigarette lines on your upper lip. Like, you had fun too. Like, let me go. There's micro needling and lasers for that.

[Charli XCX]

Right? Right. Totally. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. It's. It's funny, isn't it? I can't remember what I was gonna say. What were you talking about? Goop. We were talking about goop.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, yeah. No, it's gone.

[Robbie]

But I think. Yeah. Yes, you're like. And definitely. But yeah, no, just like being put in a box of, like, people think I'm dumb just because of, like, the way I talk.

[Charli XCX]

Right.

[Robbie]

You know, I guess. Which I never really realized. Cause I had such a life outside of the entertainment industry that nobody was ever like. Like, why do you talk like that?

[Charli XCX]

I think you have an iconic voice, by the way. It's very, very iconic.

[Robbie]

Thank you. I got dragged, like, the first time I was on tv, I was like, dad, did I get, like, bonked? Did you drop me? Like, was there like, some kind of a trauma that changed my voice? And he's like, shut the fuck up already. You know?

[Charli XCX]

But no, I think your voice is cool. It's like, I don't know. It's like, easily identifiable. It's like, got personality. You should do like, you know, voice a character or something.

[Robbie]

Well, that's what, like now, thank God people kind of know me for. So, yeah, I've been doing like, VO and it's something like you can lean into.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But it's funny. It is funny, isn't it? Like, I. I don't know about you, but I'm, like, very interested in like, the blend of, like, high culture, high art, and, like, low art. And I think it's like, there is this kind of stigma against things that are deemed, like, low art. Like, the way people dress. Like, the way, like, my. A lot of my song lyrics are about partying. That's deemed as, like, low or whatever. Like, that's mindless, easy to do. That's not very intelligent, whatever.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And I'm like, yeah. But, like, it's actually really interesting to, like, build a brand.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Like, that's what you have to do to be successful.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Like, you go build a brand, babe.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah, you try it, you know? Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Like, one that's really potent and easily identifiable. Please. I'd love to see you do it. And that's what you've done. You've built, like, a very interesting, like, easily identifiable brand that has a sense of humor and is honestly, really cunt.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Oh, my God, stop. Coming from you. No. My head's as big as this garage. I can't take it.

[Charli XCX]

But it is. And it's like, you know, it's like, that's like. Some people will be like, oh, that's so easy. And it's like. It's not.

[Robbie]

No, no, it's not.

[Charli XCX]

Like, that takes actually, like, a real, like, you know, self awareness, an ability to be, like, really vulnerable. Know that, like, some people are gonna, like, not be into that thing. Whatever. It's, like, quite brave to put yourself out there and just, like, go and, like, you know, kind of be, like, just out there doing your thing.

[Robbie]

You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. And it was. Since I was like. Which I hate talking about, but you heard us a little bit about. But I was on. I was on the Bachelor, and they. Oh, my God. You know, it's like Middle America, so they really want to put you in a box. They're like, you used to be so sweet. So even coming out of that bubble, because it's like, you saw me at one point in my life, but, like, some of those people aren't letting me evolve. And, like, since whatever, you know, I became a lesbian, it's like I'm a different person. So you like the people that you love and, you know, whatever. Like, who are you in the space? Like, you have to allow them to change, but it's like the core is still there.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

But. And even, like, people who are like. Because actually, the way you storytell in your songs, I feel like, is so vulnerable and hard. Like, sympathy is a knife. Why I want a gun. Why I want to kill myself, me every day in my head.

[Charli XCX]

Right. The internal dialogue is that.

[Robbie]

But, like, nobody else does that. I feel like pop music is still very, like, you know, cheeky, cutesy. I'm in love with a guy. Like, this is what happened.

[Charli XCX]

And I love a lot, don't get me wrong. And I also have written many songs that are like that too.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah. But like, I think brat. And I've watched a couple of your music videos with withering heights, which I feel like is a different side of you. Yeah, yeah. Which I'm like, so excited about. But it's. Act like even thinking as a creator, it's hard to take these little moments and turn them into a story and really know what you're thinking about on the inside.

[Charli XCX]

Right, Right.

[Robbie]

Because it's like, women have always been in the situation where we ourselves compare ourselves. Men compare. So it's like, yeah, we've been at a party where we're like, oh, my God, are we good enough? This girl's like, so hot. She's dressed better, you know, but you just put it into a song and it's like, so relatable.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, well, thank you, babe.

[Robbie]

I really appreciate that.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I really appreciate that. I have to ask you. Yeah, this is a bit of a. Oh, look at that man. There he is.

[Robbie]

Which one?

[Charli XCX]

He's sort of coming down the street and he's shirtless.

[Robbie]

Oh, hey. Oh, yeah. He's going to be doing that for a while. I bet. Seeing you here, he's like, back and forth, back and forth.

[Charli XCX]

And for you, my love. So, okay, like, this is a bit of a drastic change of topic. What do you think about this whole, like, 2016 trend? Are you posting?

[Robbie]

No.

[Charli XCX]

You haven't done it?

[Robbie]

No, my wife was going to. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, the 2016 post, like, it's 2026. Right.

[Charli XCX]

10 years later.

[Robbie]

Yeah, we've been here for like, 20 days. Like, what is this now? But. Oh, but are you. I bet you have some sick shit. Okay.

[Charli XCX]

I have some, like, seriously, like, trash bag images of me from 2016. And actually, like, a few of my friends have been sending them to me. Like, one of me just, like, lying on the street next to a shoe in la, wearing three different types of. Of sportswear, three different clashing brands. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm a mess. Just, like, posing and, like, lying on the ground. I'm like, this is gross.

[Robbie]

No, it's amazing.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Literally living up to the. To the Rumor, you know, but yeah, I. I don't know. I. I released some of my favorite music in 2016. I released a song and an EP called the Room. Room EP. So I might post just for like, you know, homage to that. Yeah, but I don't know, iconic.

[Robbie]

Can you believe that's 10 years ago, babe?

[Charli XCX]

I know.

[Robbie]

Like, I was on your wiki yesterday and you. It was so long. Well, and you know how wiki is. I'm like, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

But like. And you know, but you've done so much, like co written songs. You've been doing this forever. Like, do you feel like time has gone fast?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it's funny. It's like sometimes I feel like it's fast and other times it feels like slow.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

You know how that happens?

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

So I don't know, but like, when I. With this whole 2016 thing, I'm like, oh, my God, it's like 10 years. That's crazy, right? And I'm. How old am I now? I'm 34. Am I 34 or am I 33? No one knows I'm 34. I'm 34. I'm 33.

[Robbie]

The whisper. You're whatever you want to be.

[Charli XCX]

Can you Google it?

[Robbie]

I'm dead.

[Charli XCX]

I don't know, but this is. I'm 33.

[Robbie]

I'm dead. This is ideal. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna be like, am I 27 or 32?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. No.

[Robbie]

Can you check?

[Charli XCX]

Also, it's like, if I was gonna. Anyone out there who's like, she's lying, she's 34. I'm like, if I was gonna change my age, I'd do it by more than a year. Okay. Right.

[Robbie]

But yeah, I lie about my age all the time. Right. It's like.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I actually have never really. No, I. I mean, that is vulnerable. Thing is, right? I'm just like. Because this was what I was about to say. I'm like 33 and I just feel like, great.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I feel so good. Yes. I feel so good. And I feel so, like. I don't know, I feel so much better than I felt when I was 25 or when I was 23. Let's say as we're doing like the 10 year jump back to 2016. Like, I feel so much more. I don't know, like, in control of who I am and what I want. And obviously not always. Like, sometimes I'm a complete nervous wreck and I hate myself. Totally. Happens all the time.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But like, generally speaking, I Feel so much happier and, like. I don't know. It's. I think when I was a lot younger, I was. I think I was a lot more, like, I was kind of nervous about aging in that way that we're kind of, like, you know, indoctrinated to think as women. Like, oh, my God, like, we're getting old. We're 30, like, right. I feel awesome, and I feel cool. I have, like, some female friends. Oh, thanks, babe. I have some female friends who are, like, 40 or in their 40s. And I'm like, damn, you're, like, so cool and, like, chic.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Like, so chic and, like, have incredible, like, style and so intelligent and. Yeah, I'm just like, I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait for that.

[Robbie]

I think it's like, I'm the same way.

[Charli XCX]

I don't know. It's really cool. I just feel. I feel even though it. Sometimes I'm like, damn, it's gone by really fast.

[Robbie]

That's what I'm scared of.

[Charli XCX]

I feel really good about aging and getting older. Like, I. I don't know. There's. There's something, like, really chic about it to me.

[Robbie]

I like older lesbians. That's how I know I'm a lesbian. They're so fucking hot. And it's not even, like, their pixie cut or, like, their gray hair or their tailored suit. But it's like, when you've dealt with so much strife, I feel like. And you've, like, had to be different from such a young age, it comes with confidence that just, like, blossoms the more you grow into it. But same, like, so afraid to turn 30, you think your life's over, Especially being in the industry.

[Charli XCX]

Sure, sure.

[Robbie]

It's like, they don't want. I don't know how casting goes these days.

[Charli XCX]

Well, they vilify you sometimes. So for being, like, old.

[Robbie]

Totally.

[Charli XCX]

What are you talking about?

[Robbie]

We all look younger. It's science.

[Charli XCX]

We're aging.

[Robbie]

We have more tools. So, like, I could play. I hated my 20s, I think, just because I was so lost and, like, I didn't know why I didn't, like, like, my life or what was going on, but I think I was just so afraid to be myself. And once you turn 30, you're like, I'm just gonna lean in.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

I am who I am.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Like, take it or leave it. Even almost to yourself. It's like, okay, now it just comes with acceptance.

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[Robbie]

I do watch Real Housewives.

[Charli XCX]

I watched Salt Lake.

[Robbie]

I love Salt Lake. Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Robbie]

This last season was so good. Did you watch the reunion?

[Charli XCX]

No, I'm. That's what I'm gonna do tonight.

[Robbie]

Yes. And I never watch reunions. I have the chills. Okay.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. I can't wait. I can't wait. Wait.

[Robbie]

What side are you on? Are you on Lisa Meredith or Bronwyn? Be honest.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. I. It's so tricky.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I think that I do. I will say I love Lisa.

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[Charli XCX]

I think Lisa, she had such a good season, is epic.

[Robbie]

Same. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Like, and I'm going to Sundance, like, next week.

[Robbie]

Where is. Oh, Insult.

[Charli XCX]

It's Insult. Like, she is the queen of Sundance. Is she? Well, that's what she calls herself.

[Robbie]

She's like, I live a different life.

[Charli XCX]

Jury is out, right? Jury's out. If she actually is. But that's her title for herself. I'm the queen of Sundance. So I'm like, fuck promoting the moment. I want to go see Lisa Barlow.

[Robbie]

Well, I want to go see her house.

[Charli XCX]

Right? Like, invite me round if you're watching.

[Robbie]

You know, if you're listening.

[Charli XCX]

Come on. Like. Anyway, I just So I love Lisa. Right. I'm also. Okay. I think that the rest of this episode should probably just be about this, to be honest. It's like a long, deep dive, which

[Robbie]

is why I like reality tv. I feel like you can psychoanalyze people. It's like saying they think we're dumb. But it's like, dudes, like, men watch sports, so it's like, this is our sport.

[Charli XCX]

I know. It's our sport. My husband also kind of likes watching salt lake sometimes. He's a really good straight man.

[Robbie]

Yeah. That's a real one, right? Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

So Meredith being a DJ makes me just like. I'm like, respect girl. You know, Like, I'm like, cool. You've got your thing going on. Like, I respect that.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I think, do. I think it was a bit crazy, some of the things that the other women called her, like. Yes. But do I think that maybe they really were coming at it from, like, a place of concern? Yes. Especially because Mary is my favorite.

[Robbie]

Same. I thought she. I'm so glad she's back to herself.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God. Mary is my favorite. And I think she, like some of the other women, I feel like maybe could be kind of stirring the pot a little bit and, like, just wanting to, like, jump on.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But, like, I really feel like Mary is, like, truly concerned about Meredith. And so when she is, like, ringleading the, like, are you okay? I. I do believe it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Trust it. Because she has such a soft spot for Mary. I love that Mary plays favorites. And she's not afraid. I know.

[Charli XCX]

She's amazing.

[Robbie]

Yes. She really is. And when she called Heather a joke wrapped in mascara, she has, like. She has the best, like, comebacks. And she's. I think this season, like, showed us. She's surprisingly self aware and she knows how to, like, handle conflict.

[Charli XCX]

She does.

[Robbie]

It's like, just literally tell the truth.

[Charli XCX]

She does. Okay. What do you think of Brittany?

[Robbie]

I think. I mean, I'm one of those. I'm such a girl. I'm like, she's so pretty.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, gosh. She's gorgeous, right? Stunning.

[Robbie]

Yes. Yeah. Which, like, watching Housewives makes me excited to, like, be older. These women's. These women's. Yeah. They have full lives.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know, and they're very exciting. I. I don't know if. Same, like, speaking of Persona and stuff, I don't know if she's playing in.

[Charli XCX]

Right. Is she, like, leaning into that vibe?

[Robbie]

Yes. Cause sometimes she says stuff and I'm like, oh, you're smarter than you. Like Let on. So just let it out. But I do think, like, she's trying to make tv. She's trying to make herself known. Like, something about is, like, not genuine.

[Charli XCX]

Right, Right. I. I see. I see. I really don't want her to be with that guy.

[Robbie]

No. Which I heard is in real life. It's worse.

[Charli XCX]

No.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I just. I mean, like, we've all had toxic relationships. Okay. But he honestly just seems like a prick. I'm so sorry. No.

[Robbie]

Such a prick. And he can't commit.

[Charli XCX]

He seems like a prick.

[Robbie]

Yes. No, he's terrible. He dumps her every five seconds.

[Charli XCX]

What are you doing?

[Robbie]

Yeah. Like, this is the best beyond you can get. So, like, why would you not, like, take a beautiful. I'm sure she's sweet to him, like, woman. And just hold her tight. Like you think you're gonna get another hot girl in Salt Lake City. Like, one comes around and you hold on tight.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Like, he just. He thinks his ego's too big. He thinks he can get whatever he wants.

[Charli XCX]

He's an idiot, I think.

[Robbie]

Which, I'm a judgy bitch. But I do think. Well, I love that Lisa and Meredith are so loyal.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Because I feel like if I was on, like, if I had, like, a real best friend, I wouldn't say shit on camera. I'd, like, back her up. Like, whatever you say. But I do think she is two different people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you can't.

[Charli XCX]

Who? Lisa?

[Robbie]

Meredith.

[Charli XCX]

Meredith.

[Robbie]

Yes. Yeah. Because she's saying all this stuff off camera.

[Charli XCX]

No, babe, I know, I know. I. I also. I am like, I. She's obviously so smart, but sometimes I'm like. I'm like. When I'm watching and she's like, I'm done. And then she gets up. I'm like, sit the down.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

You could, like, handle this. Like, finish it out, you know?

[Robbie]

Yes.

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[Charli XCX]

Away. I want to see the terminology flow.

[Robbie]

Right? Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Give me the legal jargon, the legalese, like, let's go. She's out the bloody door.

[Robbie]

I know. She's giving up so quick.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, but maybe she is done as she says. Maybe she's just like, I'm done. I'm, like, actually done.

[Robbie]

Then, like, get off the show, you know?

[Charli XCX]

But, you know, I will say, like, not that I would ever be a housewife, but, like, that's not from, like, judgment. I just, like, couldn't handle it. But, like, I would get really, really frustrated at the way that they just, like, they do not, like, talk. There's not, like, now it's your turn to talk.

[Robbie]

Right. You would need a mediator. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

It's just like. And that would frustrate me and make me be like, I am actually, like, going. Because you're not listening to me.

[Robbie]

Yeah, totally. Are you like that? Like, in conflict, like with friends or whatever? You're like, okay, you go.

[Charli XCX]

No. I mean. I mean, no. But, like, obviously what I have to say is more important, right? So, like, they need to shut up and listen.

[Robbie]

Right. I have some to say. Yes. And my take is always right.

[Charli XCX]

Would you ever do Housewives if they asked?

[Robbie]

It was, like, always my dream. Really?

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

Are you from la?

[Robbie]

No.

[Charli XCX]

Where are you from?

[Robbie]

I'm from Colorado.

[Charli XCX]

Okay, so that's.

[Robbie]

Do you know where that is?

[Charli XCX]

Like in Denver.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. So they have like, brutal. Do they have like a Denver Housewives?

[Robbie]

No, I don't think there's enough money. Well, like fake money.

[Charli XCX]

I think we should.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Call Andy.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

And we should give him the pits.

[Robbie]

I know.

[Charli XCX]

You know, they have to be crazy

[Robbie]

with no oxygen up there.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly. You get a little, like, a little woozy, you know?

[Robbie]

Right, I know.

[Charli XCX]

Also you can get really stoned. That's a good, like, little extra.

[Robbie]

Yes. I love when Beverly Hills is. I think it was Beverly Hills and they had a whole dinner and it was all infused with weed, but I don't know if it'd be good. Drama.

[Charli XCX]

Right. Very slow.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

So it was your dream. It was your dream to be Housewives.

[Robbie]

Yeah. I don't know anymore. But you know how Jennifer Tilly's on the new Beverly Hills? I'm like, it could be like a retirement thing. I saw her at Dover Street Market.

[Charli XCX]

I don't know who that is.

[Robbie]

Okay. Who is that? No, but nobody really does.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Have you seen Bound?

[Charli XCX]

The film? Yeah, with the two girls. The two lesbians. I haven't seen that film, but I know the one that you're talking about.

[Robbie]

She's one of the lesbians.

[Charli XCX]

Got it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. She's like the femme.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. Okay.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And the other lesbian is so hot. Oh, my God, that's heavy.

[Charli XCX]

I need to watch that movie. That's on my watch list.

[Robbie]

If you have a slow night and, like, you're by yourself, like, you should watch it.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. Maybe it's Salt Lake reunion into Bound.

[Robbie]

Yeah. You know, an all nighter, two very different vibes.

[Charli XCX]

Perfect. I love that.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Well, I'm like, should we talk about you?

[Charli XCX]

We don't really have to, but whatever.

[Robbie]

Sure.

[Charli XCX]

What do you want to know, babe?

[Robbie]

Everything okay, so how long did the moment take to film?

[Charli XCX]

Sorry.

[Robbie]

Please wet your whistle.

[Charli XCX]

It took. It was very quick. We shot it very fast. We basically. So Aiden wrote the script in a week, the first draft.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

And then so he, like, handed in the script, him and his co writer, Bertie Brand, as they handed in the script on New Year's Eve, 2024. And then we, like, did rewrites and stuff like that, different drafts. And then basically by March, I think it was like March 1st, we were shooting and we shot for. I think it was, like, five weeks in Dagenham, which is, like, East. East London. And the whole process was, like, really, really fast, really, really rapid.

[Robbie]

Did you like that?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I mean, it was really fun and conducive to the way we wanted the film to feel. We were really inspired by, like, a lot of, like, 70s music docs. Like, we wanted it to feel very fly on the wall. Like, basically, like.

[Robbie]

Oh, good. Oh, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Basically, like, every character kind of had their own very, like, interactive and charged relationship with the camera. Like, you know, every character would, like, react differently to being filmed. Like, me being very used to it, Kylie being very used to it. Like, the manager played by Jamie Dimitriou, whose name is Tim. His character name is Tim. Like, he is, isn't he? So funny. His character kind of reacts, like, a little bit differently. He's always, like, spiking the camera with his eyes and kind of being a bit fumbly. And we really wanted, like, the chaos of the nature in which all of these different people reacted to the camera to feel very alive and very fast and so shooting quickly really kind of helped with that and the overall, like, tone. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was. It was really. It was kind of like a once in a lifetime situation. Because we. I mean, I feel like people always say this when they shoot a film, but we really, like, bonded, like, hard and fast, you know.

[Robbie]

How did you cast?

[Charli XCX]

Well, we had. We worked with an amazing casting director called Jennifer Vendetti. She also casted Marty supreme and she casted Begonia. Like, she's. She's incredible.

[Robbie]

Yes, she's. I know.

[Charli XCX]

She's the best. And she does a lot with, like, street casting. Like, she. She really wants to, you know, she really wants to, like, bring the projects to life by casting really kind of, like, interesting people. Like, she was really obsessed with the idea of Mel Ottenberg playing the character of my stylist.

[Robbie]

All the cameos were perfect, you know, like, sense.

[Charli XCX]

And then, like, our friend Tish Weinstock, who does Work as a writer for Vogue. Like, she plays the girl from Vogue. Like, she wanted to bring. She's so good, right?

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

She wanted to bring life into the casting through people who could really be real. Because, you know, we wanted for a second people to be like, wait, is this me real?

[Robbie]

The whole time I was like, is this actually her team?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, well, you never know. Yes.

[Robbie]

I'm like, is that. Is this the way they interact? Because I was taking notes, I'm like, this is what I need to tell my manager. They need to get the zoom over here right now. Being so passive, I'm like, yes, ma'. Am. But no toe. I went through all of it. I was like, how much of this is real? You know, or to a point, or. That's kind of being reflective, obviously. Like, it's a heightened version.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, totally.

[Robbie]

Yeah. I felt that the whole time.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, I. I think for me, it was really important to not really be like, the hero of this story, because my experience of the music industry is not that, you know, like, I sometimes am the hero in all scenarios, but I'm constantly kind of going back and forth between playing a bunch of different roles, dealing with a bunch of different people in different ways. And. And it's not this, like, linear pathway from, like, you know, moral complication to, like, moral solve to the hero. Like, that's just not what my life.

[Robbie]

No. And it's unpredictable. It's like we're real people, you know, we experience things differently.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And I think for me as well, it's like my experience of the music industry has been extremely messy and up and down, backwards and forwards. It's never been this clear cut road to success.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And actually, I think for a lot of artists, a lot of my friends who are artists, even if they've had unbelievably successful careers.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

On the surface, it's like there are so many things that go wrong each and every single day. When you're prepping for a brand shoot, a photo shoot, an album campaign, a music video, like, it's. There's always. There are always hurdles to overcome. And obviously most of the time, like, the public don't see that.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

But that is the reality.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Yeah. You have to be able to just like, pivot.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And I wanted to kind of show that in the film that it's actually a shit show the whole time.

[Robbie]

Well, I'm like, have you dealt with people like Johannes? I could not with him.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

His casting was also good. But I'm like, I Wanted to reach through the screen, like ring his little neck with his puka shells. Like, if you see someone who's dressed like this, like, don't let them come near your work. But he was so anxiety producing in a good way. Like as the watcher, you know, it made you feel so much. But I'm like, did you have inspiration for him?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I mean, there's everyone, you know. I was inspired by a variety of different people for a variety of different characters. But. But I think with Johannes, he's not specifically based on one person. He's more like an amalgamation of people and experiences who I've come across. And Aiden has come across as a director as well. And I think with him, the main thing is like, he is representative of somebody who really doesn't get it, but thinks that they do.

[Robbie]

Yeah, right. You know, Totally. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

He's one of them.

[Robbie]

Right. And you just can't get it through. It's like you get it or you don't. It's like taste with everything and.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And you have a vision. I mean, we went to the Brat Tour. Obviously I have to show you a picture of Robbie leaving the Brat Tour with all her merch. She got this tailored and she wears it to the gym. No. It's so funny. But yes. Like you're.

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[Robbie]

You like, did brat yourself, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this was like all you. Yeah, that's. And it's so hard to trust yourself when you're making huge decisions that you think people rely on and especially yourself. But when you get like an idiot dodo who's like trying to make those decisions for you, like collaboration is important for sure. With people who you trust.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. It's. And, but it's funny. It's like the film, I think it's like kind of talking about that, like temptation to like lean into somebody who is. Really doesn't get you.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

You know, they don't get you, but they're offering you. They're saying they can offer you this, like whole other world.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

You know, like this whole other level of success or whatever. And like I in the past have definitely been tempted by that. More recently I have not. Like, even when I made Brat, when I made it, I was like, this is gonna flop and I'm gonna get dropped. But that's fine. Like, that's how I went in. I had a huge vision for it, but I was like, and if it flops. Because I am really making this for me.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Only I'm at peace with it because this is exactly the record I want to make.

[Robbie]

Yes. My vision was not have to make it for yourself. You can't.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Other people. It's just not gonna read.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly. And I think, you know, this. The film is like kind of an alternate reality if I had made like other choices instead of following my instinct. But yeah, it is funny. It's like, I guess his character is very much. It's about like, he's kind of someone who. He thinks like the best version of something is like the biggest, most accessible version. That's what he defines as like success and art, you know? And I think the character that he kind of like opposes the most is this character called Celeste, who's played by Hayley Gates.

[Robbie]

Love her.

[Charli XCX]

She's amazing.

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[Robbie]

I'm like Come on, Celeste.

[Charli XCX]

I know. Yes.

[Robbie]

Get in there.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And she's kind of, like, approaching things from the. The total opposite, which is more the. The stance that I. I kind of take in real life of, you know, making work that is for yourself, perhaps, like, serves a niche of people who truly get it and care about it and doing what feels kind of truthful or something.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Did you have, like. Did you always feel that from the beginning, or do you have. You felt like you've, like, grown into it?

[Charli XCX]

What, into, like, making myself?

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God. 100. Grown into it. Like, I think different people I've met along the way have really helped me, like, figure that out and, like, learn.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And give me confidence. I mean. Yeah, you must feel the same, right?

[Robbie]

Yeah, no, Robbie's been in the industry for so much longer, and I just. She's had such different life experience, and she kind of knows the business more. Like, I think in the beginning, you forget that your team works for you because you're like, I'm just one person, and I'm a small person, and I don't know what I'm doing. But so to get the confidence to, like, advocate for yourself and be like, no, actually, like, I don't want to do this.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know, I don't want to do. I don't want to be the face of good wipes, of a skid mark, of, like, a billboard on Sunset. Wait, is that real?

[Charli XCX]

What?

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

What the. What is good wipes?

[Robbie]

It's literally like, an wipe.

[Charli XCX]

No, it's not.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

You didn't do it. Did you do it?

[Robbie]

No, it was after the miracle grow ad where I was talking about my full bush, but that was. Yeah, that was, like, kind of funny.

[Charli XCX]

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I have. I love. This is one of my favorite conversations. What? Like, tell me some outside of the.

[Robbie]

Yeah, that bush looks like.

[Charli XCX]

No, the. The skid. Right. Yes. Offer. What are some of the, like, craziest brand deals that have come across your desk, whether you've said yes or no? Like, ones where you're just like, what the fuck are they thinking?

[Robbie]

No, Good Wipes was probably the top because they wanted. They. I just. I think they even gave me a visual. They wanted a billboard, like, on Sunset, and it was literally my photo from Traders next to, like, baby wipes like that come in the package. I'm like, I cannot be the face of an asshole of, like, diarrhea, you know? Like, I'm okay with talking about some of my private part, but, like, this Isn't getting it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, but was the money good, though?

[Robbie]

It wasn't good enough.

[Charli XCX]

It wasn't good enough.

[Robbie]

I will tell you, though, I just did one for Planet Fitness, which I still pay $10 a month for. No, no, I was an OG. Planet Fitness.

[Charli XCX]

Hey, listen, Planet Fitness, you need to give her a free membership, okay?

[Robbie]

$10 a month. And they just raised their price is. What about inflation? Now it's like 1299.

[Charli XCX]

You can't be doing an ad and you paying for the gym membership. No way.

[Robbie]

Literally, I'm like, I'm here to do an ad. And they were like, oh, like, do you have a login? I'm like, yeah, I skipped my barcode.

[Charli XCX]

But oh, my God.

[Robbie]

But I made a TikTok. They wanted me to go there, which I did, and film myself, like, on the stair stepper. All sweaty. Planet Fitness, right? You know what? Get the buy, right?

[Charli XCX]

Get the by.

[Robbie]

But, like, you know, it was low brown about. It's like for the people. Like, I know these people who are going to Planet Fitness. It's me. So why would I say no?

[Charli XCX]

No. What about live your truth?

[Robbie]

Have you heard? Crazy.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I mean, there's been so. But the thing about me is I've actually done a lot of brand deals. It's.

[Robbie]

That's the thing.

[Charli XCX]

I've done a lot. And sometimes they come up. They like, resurface. Like, there's like, two have resurfaced recently.

[Robbie]

Which ones?

[Charli XCX]

Okay. One was like, I guess, like, not that long ago, probably like in 2022, I did this ad for like, Doritos and Stranger Things.

[Robbie]

And it was basically like, they always do that. It was like the weirdest combination, right?

[Charli XCX]

It was like this collab and it was. It was like before this new series of Stranger Things was coming out and I was trapped in the upside down with eating into cell with Doritos. And it was like this video where me and like, soft sell were like, trapped in the upside down, like, singing a cover of, like, one of their songs. And it's just random. And there's like this video of the selfie video of me being like, hey, I'm Charli XCX and I'm trapped in the upside down with Doritos. It was just like, what? You know?

[Robbie]

No. And they're like, look at this creative. And let me know if you are okay with this. It's like, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And. But I remember at the time being like, wow, that's so polished. You know, like, I thought it was great.

[Robbie]

And then Stranger Things.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And then one of another one that came up probably from like 2016 time, maybe a little bit later, I guess. It's so crazy. I have to find it for you. I did this like, advert for hello Kitty Japan. Yeah. No, no hello Kitty Japan. But it's like the opening of like the theme park. It's like the hello Kitty theme park in Japan is opening and it's me like talking.

[Robbie]

They're like, we know the face for this.

[Charli XCX]

It's just like random. So random. But the, the dialogue for the ad is crazy. It's like this selfie video with like all this like pink, like hello Kitty stuff behind me. And it goes, do you like hello Kitty? Do you like me? Well, then you're gonna love hello Kitty Japan. And it's like, oh, in your British accent. Yeah, it's crazy. And I'm like talking to like a 5 year old. And I'll be like. And you'll see me there and you'll see hello Kitty too. And then I'm like this at the end. It's like so crazy.

[Robbie]

And you have to give. You can't be like. You can't half ass it. You can't be like, I'm, this is hello Kitty. I don't know why I'm here, but they chose me for a reason. You're like, I love hello Kitty. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

It's so random. It's so fucking random. I have to find it for you.

[Robbie]

No, please.

[Charli XCX]

But that was one of my. I mean, it wasn't even like the worst. It's just like, what am I doing?

[Robbie]

Right?

[Charli XCX]

You know?

[Robbie]

Yes. This is my job.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

This is how I make money. But like, also it's easy money. How are we supposed to say no? I did see one of you, which it's not embarrassing at all. But you were. I think it was for Armani. And all it was was you applying lip gloss.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, God.

[Robbie]

And I'm like, I want to do that.

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Robbie]

That's all I want to do.

[Charli XCX]

And they send you good products.

[Robbie]

Right. Instead I'm at Planet Fitness, working my ass off, being like running. There's people around me. I'm like, I'm really sorry. At this point, I have no shame.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

If you bring someone to video, you, nobody's coming with me. Like, I'm all by myself.

[Charli XCX]

Do you feel like there was this moment, moment for you where you like crossed the threshold of shame in terms of making content in public? Like, I remember I used to be so embarrassed.

[Podcast Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Oh, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

To like take a photo in public or like, do, like, a TikTok. And then I was like, I gotta get over myself.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I saw that video of Addison, like, you know, at the valet stand, just, like, hitting a TikTok.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And I was like, exactly what you're talking about. Cool as.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

This.

[Robbie]

And it's great.

[Charli XCX]

Content, you know, like, she's just, like, living her life. She doesn't give a. I was like, I got to be more like Addison. That's cool, you know? Yeah. Don't we all?

[Robbie]

Yeah, no, same. I'm still. If it's for money and I'm on anti anxiety meds.

[Podcast Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yeah. I'll meet me in the parking lot.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

When there's, like, a creepy dude watching, I'm like, I don't give a. Like, this is going be to into my bank account.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, totally.

[Robbie]

Like, we just. And it helps that now I'll see people, like, taking pictures, you know? You know, they're taking pictures of each other for Instagram, so it's like, everyone's doing it.

[Charli XCX]

Everyone's doing it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. So I might as well.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Live your life.

[Robbie]

Yeah. How was working?

[Charli XCX]

My tummy just really rumbles.

[Podcast Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Same.

[Robbie]

Mine's been doing it the whole time.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

I know. I only had a half a banana.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my gosh. Christ. Crazy.

[Robbie]

I'm like, do you need a snack?

[Charli XCX]

No, it's fine. I. I'll eat after. It's okay.

[Robbie]

How was. Wait, so did you do the soundtrack for Wuthering Heights or did it inspire you to, like, make an album?

[Charli XCX]

I did. Oh, you've got mail.

[Robbie]

Oh, I hope you've got mail.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Aol, you got mail.

[Charli XCX]

Catalog or something, I think. I don't know.

[Robbie]

Did you.

[Charli XCX]

Did you order a catalog? We'll see.

[Robbie]

That's how I shop. I'm like my grandma. Like, actually, I will take this shawl. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Amazing. Amazing. Did I. Yes, I. So I did do the sound. The. The soundtrack. Yes.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it was really cool. Like, Emerald Fennell, the director, kind of hit me up and was like, do you want to do a song for the film? And I was kind of like, huge film. Let me read the script. And I read it, and I really, really liked the script. And so I was kind of like, how about a whole album instead of just a song? Yeah. And she was sort of like, sure. And that's kind of how it came about. And, you know, I was, like, watching the film and really writing songs specifically, like, related to the film and to her script rather than the book. Okay.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

You know, so it was like, very much, like, focused on Emerald's take on Wuthering Heights.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Which makes sense.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Yeah. And so it was so fun. And we were really working with a lot of strings, like recording an orchestra.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God. The one you just released. How house.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

The squeaky violin.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Podcast Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Scary.

[Robbie]

It's so good. And he was. I don't know who he is.

[Charli XCX]

John Cale.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

He's like, speaking of getting older and being hot. Like, his charisma just comes through the screen. There's something about him that's just like, sexy.

[Charli XCX]

Well, he's like the coolest guy. Yeah, he is the coolest guy.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I was so. I couldn't believe it when he wanted to do the song. I was like, he's like one of my heroes.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And, yeah, I mean, making the whole album was just a really different way of working for me, but one that I really enjoyed and felt to be really, like, creatively rewarding.

[Robbie]

Yeah, yeah. No, it's totally different. And to have. I don't know how the movie. Have you read the book?

[Charli XCX]

I'm reading it.

[Robbie]

Me too.

[Charli XCX]

I'm reading it. I read it when I was in high school. School.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And I was like, I gotta be brushing up. I gotta be brushing up because I remember when I read it in high school, it was very much like English class. Like.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I went home to my parents house and I found the old book and it was like covered in yellow highlighter, like all my, like, high school notes.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

You know? But I was like, I really gotta be rushing up on this. So I bought a new version and I'm reading it.

[Robbie]

How far are you?

[Charli XCX]

I'm like, literally, first five chapters, I gotta be. I gotta be read. Finished all my notes in, like, before the film comes out.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

You know, same.

[Robbie]

Because I want to know how it's different. Which my.

[Charli XCX]

What's very. It's. I mean, I don't want to do any spoilers, but it's. It's very different.

[Robbie]

Totally, very different. It's like a rendition. I feel it's also.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, I don't actually know what I can say.

[Robbie]

Yeah, no, no, that's fine. You don't have to.

[Charli XCX]

I'm just gonna.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

This is the thing with. With film promo. Like, I'm so used to, like in music. I'm just like. I can say anything I want because it's my album.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

And then with films, I'm like, oh, yeah, like, spoiler and. Right.

[Robbie]

Like, you signed an NDA. My Lawyer. It's just a podcast.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Scary. Yeah.

[Robbie]

I can't wait to see how it's different. I'm like, you could have played Catherine if you went blonde.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, look, I love you for that, but obviously Margot is Margot. She's fucking amazing.

[Robbie]

Totally. No, I'm excited to see how she plays and if she's as crazy in the book as in the movie. Because if you. Which maybe. But if you're writing songs about the. The Catherine in the book, like, she has such a distinct personality, she is such a recognizable person that I feel like it would be in the house. I feel like, gives that. It's like she's stuck in there. Like, I read something the other day that was like, this. Wuthering Heights would be a great psychological thriller, which I feel like maybe the next one, I'm like, where's all this money going to this dead bitch? Like, she's rolling in the green screen. Six feet under.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yeah. I don't know if she knows.

[Charli XCX]

She doesn't. No, she doesn't.

[Robbie]

Yeah. No, I'm excited for it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. It's gonna be cool.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And to see all your music. And it is, like. Well, in the music videos, how long did those take for.

[Charli XCX]

For the Wuthering Heights songs? Yeah, we actually shot them, like, back to back. Like, one day we were upstate New York with John Cale in this, like, really spooky house, and then we came back to the city and we shot the Chains of Love video literally the next day in, like, a disused bank in Brooklyn.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

And I was, like, really sore because of all the wire work in that second video. I was, like, flying down in the sky. Yeah. But worth it.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God. No, it's incredible. Yeah. Both music videos. I loved the long table.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And just, like, all the effects, and so. I know. I can't wait to listen to the rest.

[Charli XCX]

Thanks.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And it is. It's, like, fun seeing you do, like, two different things. It's like, she can do it all and we can do it all. And we have to, like, I guess for. For us and our careers, like, we have to keep surprising people.

[Charli XCX]

We do. What's up next for you?

[Robbie]

Well, and I wanted to talk about this for you, but I just. I'm almost done filming my first scripted TV show, Shout out to the Body. Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

Amazing.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And then at the end of February.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. How are you feeling about.

[Robbie]

Nervous. Yeah. Yeah. Terrified.

[Charli XCX]

Are you, like. Are you, like, doing anything to prep? Are you just gonna kind of, like, feel out in the moment. Like, what's your.

[Robbie]

I should. I mean, Robbie's basically my acting coach. Yeah. And she helps me a lot with my lines. But I do want to get more, like, formal, what have you. You're in so many movies.

[Charli XCX]

I've done, like, a little bit of, like, coaching. I have, like, an amazing coach who works a lot with dreams, which is really cool.

[Robbie]

Like, your dreams.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah. Like, and how your dreams kind of apply to the character that you're playing.

[Robbie]

And that's your dreams or, like, your dreams.

[Charli XCX]

Your dreams, like, at neck. At night.

[Robbie]

Oh, wow. Yeah. I don't think my dreams would do that.

[Charli XCX]

Well, mine aren't. Like, this is the thing. It's like the dream is never about the character. The dream is a random fucking dream. Right.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But then you, like, write. Write it down and you're like. And then you, like, talk about the dream and you're like, oh, this thing happened in the dream. And I guess in the script, like, this kind of relates to this thing that the character experiences and, like, how do I feel about that thing that happened in my dream? And apply it to the life of the character or whatever. Even if the dream is, like. I remember I had, like, one dream of, like, oh, I was, like, picking tomatoes with, like, a friend of mine in, like, like, Provincetown.

[Robbie]

So chic.

[Charli XCX]

Which was chic and fat. But I was like. But I was like, how does. How on earth does this apply to the character that I was prepping for? And then my coach was like, well, who was the friend? And I told her about the friend and then she was like, do you think the character. Like, how would. How would the character relate to your friend? And I was like, oh, my God, the friend is like this other cat. Like, you can kind of make all these threads. Yes.

[Robbie]

And I feel like in dreams, you're outside of yourself, so. And kind of acting is the same way. Like, you a little bit, have to, like, watch yourself. Yeah. And try and be yourself at the same time.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And, like, apply, you know, whatever. Yeah, it was. It's really fascinating. But I will say I'm also kind of like, you know, it's. For me, I feel like I've just been learning a lot whilst, like, being on set.

[Robbie]

Totally.

[Charli XCX]

Like, learning the lingo, learning, like. Oh, like. Like, this is, like, marks and things like that.

[Robbie]

It's like choreography, I feel like. And knowing where the camera is and how to shape your body and there's.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God, I have, like, so much stuff to learn and I'm So excited to learn it. Like, I love. Like, I'm like, I'll talk anyone's ear off about this shit for like hours and hours. I'm like, tell me everything. Tell me all your stories. Tell me anything I want to know. Like, I'm so. Like, I have such a thirst for the knowledge, you know? Hi, baby. Hi. Yeah, I've heard.

[Robbie]

I was like, take one of everything, babe.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

I have to show you a picture.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you. It's going good.

[Robbie]

It's going good.

[Charli XCX]

How's the team doing? Our garage?

[Robbie]

Yeah, your bleachers. No, I didn't. I. Babe, I didn't take them on our second.

[Charli XCX]

Second.

[Robbie]

You did. Yes, but what am I gonna do with these in just my house alone? She put him in the back of her zoom. Love you, baby.

[Charli XCX]

Bye. Nice to meet you.

[Robbie]

This was her leaving the concert.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God. Epic. This is a good show.

[Robbie]

No, she can't do concerts. She wants to sit the whole time. Look at how happy.

[Charli XCX]

So cute. I know. I mean, we can. We can always get you another that we can unwrap.

[Robbie]

I know. We're like an artifact.

[Charli XCX]

So cute.

[Robbie]

Yeah, she's the best.

[Charli XCX]

So what's the. The tv. The TV thing you're doing?

[Robbie]

It's like. It's kind of. Well, it's listed as a drama, but I feel like there's also like a lot of comedy in there. So it's. Which I don't know how much I can say, but I can cut out. But.

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[Robbie]

But the director, Quinn shepherd, she's been acting for so long that I feel like she's been teaching me how to act.

[Charli XCX]

That's awesome.

[Robbie]

Yeah, that's like just the direction she's like. Cuz it's like if I'm here for comic Relief, like I want to punch everything up and be like this character, but then she'll just be like, be normal. I'm like, okay, I don't know how to be normal.

[Charli XCX]

What do you mean?

[Robbie]

Isn't it like boring? But then you find like, it's like your normal is enough, you know? So, yeah, it's been fun.

[Charli XCX]

That's awesome. I'm happy for you.

[Robbie]

But you've been. How many movie. Where do you find the time?

[Charli XCX]

Well, a lot of the things I've done have been like, small, small roles. Like, I'm in this, like, Greg Araki movie and that was like. I literally shot it on the, like, day off after my, like, LA show, actually. After the show that you guys came to.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And then the next day we, like, flew to the next place or whatever and it was just like. I mean, I think that was a relatively short shoot anyways. I think they shot for like 27 days or something.

[Robbie]

I love it.

[Charli XCX]

So I was just like in and out, you know? And I think for me, like, I really wanted to work on, like, some things that would just, like, get me experience, but also be with directors that I absolutely love. And for me, like, Greg Araki is like one of my number one people ever. Like. I just. I love his films so much.

[Robbie]

What else has he done?

[Charli XCX]

He made Mysterious Skin. He's made Doom Generation smiley face. He's just a kaboom. He's like, like, he's just like, incredible. Very kind of like queer LED cinema love. He is a really, just awesome and has such a, like, distinct tone.

[Robbie]

I have to watch some of his movies.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really fab. Really fab. And so to work with him and just like, see how he is on set was like, how wonderful. Just amazing. Amazing. I mean, he's so. He feels like he really likes. Loves being on set. He, like, really trusts his actors.

[Robbie]

I love that just.

[Charli XCX]

Was a dream. Yeah, Was a total dream.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

So. Yeah.

[Robbie]

Yeah. No, it's so special. Same. I feel like I'm just. Now when you start acting now, you, like, want to know everything and you watch movies in a different way. I love Patricia Arquette. I think so. I was, like, listening to an interview of hers and she did a couple David lynch movies. Yes.

[Charli XCX]

She's so hot.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God, she's so hot. And she's so, like, goals. Because I feel like she's a woman who let herself age. But, like, she's so good at. Yes. And she's so good at her craft that she can lean into different characters. Have you seen Escape from Dannemora?

[Charli XCX]

I have not.

[Robbie]

If you want a TV show to watch after the reunion, after Bound. After that.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

She plays this, like, kind. It's a true story too. She plays this kind of, like, dirty, perverted Woman who's cheating on her husband with prisoners, right? And she's like, she had to gain a lot of weight for it. She had to wear brown eye contacts. She's so good. And, like, I'm like, I want to be that. I want to be dirty, perverted prisoners, you know, in a role, because it's, like, that's what she's gonna be known for.

[Charli XCX]

Right?

[Robbie]

And she's not afraid to, like, lose the vanity.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, totally. Totally. To be, like, a little, like, ugly. And it's, like, how I felt on the moment, for sure. Like, when I. When I was, like, doing this scene with Kylie.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Robbie]

I could see makeup going in, like, every five seconds.

[Charli XCX]

No, Yasmine was doing my makeup. And, like, Aiden, every time, like, this mean would, like, kind of make me look a little, like, pretty. And it was like, no, she needs to be redder. Redder.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And then obviously, like, Kylie is just, like, such a goddess.

[Robbie]

I can't make eye contact with her.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, all the time, she's a goddess. But, like, particularly in that scene. Yeah, she's a goddess. There's, like, this natural, like, wind moment that happens.

[Robbie]

The wind was crazy, right?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I look frazzled as well.

[Robbie]

Oh, it was so good. The whole time, I'm like, like, stop talking about the facialist. Just get the out of there, Charlie, please. For all of us. I know, because it's like, when you look like and run into someone, you know, even if it's not Kylie Jenner.

[Charli XCX]

Right.

[Robbie]

You're like, get me the out of it. But it's such a good scene.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I love that scene. But that was definitely a scene where I was like, yeah, okay. Embrace it. Just embrace it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. And it probably made it real.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, totally. Totally. It was. It was. Yeah, it was fun. And she was just so amazing. Like, so game. So down. Like, so pro. I just love her.

[Robbie]

She did really good.

[Charli XCX]

She's amazing.

[Robbie]

Yeah. She felt really like herself and, like, didn't look nervous at all. No, she had.

[Charli XCX]

She just gets it. She gets it. And she's so smart and cool and, like, doing this with her has honestly been just, like, such a joy, you know? Like, I just really, really respect her.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God. That's amazing.

[Charli XCX]

She's a really cool person.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Which is so good to know. And I've met her once, and she's, like, so nice.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. So fucking nice. She was so. Oh, my God, so nice.

[Robbie]

I was, like, invited to her kai release, but they were, like, no plus ones. I'm like, what am I gonna do miss this. So I went by myself naturally. I'm like, you know, I'm the first one there. I'm a door buster. I'm like, I'm right on time.

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[Robbie]

So it was like, just her and I. I feel like, in the room. And she came right up to me, made me feel so comfortable. I'm like, oh, my God, not Kylie Jenner.

[Charli XCX]

She's the best. Yeah, she's the best.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Which is so good to know because, again, like, putting people, like, it's like we only see one side of her, you know, like, on Instagram, it's like a hot, gorgeous businesswoman. It's like, we're all like, more than that.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

All of your cameos were so good. And I love Kate Berlant.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God, I love K. She's just so great.

[Robbie]

She's so great. She's so goofy.

[Charli XCX]

So effortlessly hilarious as well. I mean, her improv is just, like, so incredible. Yeah. She's awesome. Love her. Yeah.

[Robbie]

And I mean, it was all just so good. I could go on and on. But the bathroom scene with Rachel.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God. I know, I know.

[Robbie]

No. Yes. And you just, like, went there.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. It was fun. Like, because her and I are actually pretty. We're both kind of. Of. I mean, obviously people really like to think that I'm this, like, horrid, evil bitch, but I'm actually like, yeah, so nice.

[Robbie]

No, I was like, I'm like, what if she's like this? I'm so.

[Charli XCX]

What if she's so evil? No, I, like, Rachel and I are quite similar in that we're both very much like, oh, my God. Yeah, sure, babe. Like, so sorry. Like, sorry. Like, sorry all the time. We're like, sorry. Like. And so, like, doing this scene when we were. But actually being, like, really quite, like, cunty to each other was really fun because it is not our general tone with people. We're like, oh, no. Let us just, like, tie ourselves in knots for this random person that we don't know. Like, that's totally awesome. Like, that's more like our vibe. I would say.

[Robbie]

No, right? Like, why am I apologizing so much? To who?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Like, if I fuck up in the house or, like, whatever.

[Charli XCX]

Break.

[Robbie]

I'm like, say sorry to myself. I'm like, like, stop. You're not that sorry. Yeah, but that's why I like acting, too, because it gives you permission to be someone else and, like, who you kind of want to be.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. You know?

[Robbie]

Yes. It's like, that's like, why? People love it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

But no, it was so good. And when someone was like, it's pr.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, my God. I know.

[Robbie]

No, it's so good.

[Charli XCX]

So good. And she's so down, too. Like, right?

[Robbie]

I'm glad she was down.

[Charli XCX]

She was like, I love it. Yeah. She was like, can't wait to do blow on camera. Like, yeah, me apart. Let's go. Like, she just. She gets it. She's really funny. And the cool thing about Rachel, so, like, when we shot her scene, she actually was, like, shipped overnight in a van from Paris. She was. She was. She could only shoot this one day. So she literally was at the Balenciaga show, and she got off out of the show, like, literally on the front row, stepped into the car, the car, like, drove.

[Robbie]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

From Paris to London, like, on the Eurostar, like, whatever, however they do it. She's, like, asleep in the back, like, with her, like, pillows. And then the car arrived, the doors open. She, like, steps out of the the door, like, ready to work, ready to go.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Straight from Paris. Paris. Paris.

[Robbie]

Like, that's amazing. Yes. But who wouldn't want to be in that movie? It's, like, anybody would. You know?

[Charli XCX]

We should have put you in it.

[Robbie]

No, next time, Next time, next time, next time. But what else are you working on? Or do you take breaks?

[Charli XCX]

I really. Or do you, like, need a break? Yes. Yes.

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[Robbie]

When you went to Ibiza in the movie and went to, like, a wellness retreat, I'm like, she needs this in real life. I hope she does this.

[Charli XCX]

I think, to be honest, like, I kind of, like, worked through the holidays and, like, will keep working. I think April is gonna be my, like, chill.

[Robbie]

Okay, good.

[Charli XCX]

Is what I'm hoping.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But it's also, like, you never know

[Robbie]

if something comes up, and then you have to say yes.

[Charli XCX]

You never know. Also, it's just, like, I love doing what I do.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. So much.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

That I would rather, like, run myself into the ground than, like, be Zen kind of, which I know is, like, really toxic and unhealthy. But it's just I get so much reward from creating. Like, if I could, like, create my work, I would go insane and probably. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like, my why I want to go lifeline. Why I want to go.

[Robbie]

Yeah. No, Again, even looking at your wiki, it's like, it's clear. You just, like, love to collaborate. You love to work and the creativity. Cause you've done so much, even with, like, movies. Like, you helped compose Bottoms. Right?

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Such a good movie. But, like, and there was so many little eggs in there, so you could tell, like, how much passion you have for it, which is special. And Robbie's always like, we're in our working years. Yeah, this is it. We gotta stack our money.

[Charli XCX]

Let's go.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Right? We have the energy.

[Charli XCX]

It's fun. I feel like there are so many friends around who are also doing really interesting things. I'm, like, constantly inspired by people like, you know, right next to me. It's like, why would I not be drinking all of that in right now and living it, you know?

[Robbie]

Yes. And trying new things, like acting is like taking off. You can do it all.

[Charli XCX]

So can you, babe.

[Robbie]

No, I can't sing. You don't want to hear me sing, babe.

[Charli XCX]

Never say never. Never say never.

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[Robbie]

Yes. We're good.

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[Robbie]

Thank you so much.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you for having me. This was so fun. I can't believe I'm in this iconic garage, or garage, as you guys say. Garage. Garage. And yeah, you're just the best.

[Robbie]

You are. Full stop and watch the moment. Obviously do it. Listen to Wuthering Heights and you have, like, 10 other movies coming out.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. But also just like, if you don't want to do that, just watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Robbie]

Salt Lake City three part reunion season. It's such the best. I think it's the best season.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

It has to win an Emmy.

[Charli XCX]

I. Yeah. We'll start the campaign.

[Robbie]

Ch.

[Charli XCX]

Yes. Yeah.

[Robbie]

You. And I am. Thank you so much.

[Charli XCX]

Awesome.

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