The Robby Hoffman (again)

Summary

LONG WINDED with Gabby Windey
Episode: “The Robby Hoffman (again)” (June 18, 2026)
Guest: Robby Hoffman

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Episode Overview

In this intimate, playful, and often laugh-filled episode, Gabby Windey welcomes back her partner, comedian and writer Robby Hoffman, for another deep-dive into the messiness and humor of everyday life, relationships, sexuality, design squabbles, reality TV, and plenty of candid Q&A. The couple share unfiltered insights into their relationship dynamics – covering everything from shopping disagreements and interior design debates to routines, insecurities, and Real Housewives gossip. With Gabby’s trademark self-deprecation and Robby’s razor-sharp candor, the episode is part slice-of-life banter, part listener advice, and 100% honest fun.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter & Setting the Scene

01:17 – 03:03

• Gabby and Robby riff on outfit choices, vacation excitement (they’re about to leave for Hawaii), and the perils of announcing travel plans to a podcast audience.
• Robby gives a shoutout to her sister Yehudis for vacation planning assistance, sparking a tangent about whether to call the hotel to check for a “vibration plate.”
• Gabby jokes about “charging our vibrators” and setting alarms for it.

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Relationship Dynamics & Everyday Squabbles

The Glasses & Outfit Dispute

05:12 – 06:48

• Playful back-and-forth over Gabby’s “Gentle Monster” glasses and their vacation prep.
  Gabby: “You don’t like girls, you don’t like girls wear fake glasses.” (01:27)
  Robby: “In this case, I like it.” (01:33)

Binoculars, Merch, and the “Goldilocks” Bucket Hat

06:01 – 07:01

• Joking about Gabby’s new obsession with birdwatching and always ending up wanting what the other person bought.

The Design Debate – The Chairs Story

12:27 – 17:04

• Gabby recounts buying a coveted pair of vintage leather entryway chairs online, only to receive one chair – and having to chase down the seller for the missing second.
• The moral: “Screenshot your listing!” (15:25, Robby)

“Taste” & Domestic Decision-Making

19:04 – 29:06

• A (relatable, if niche) debate over furniture arrangements and personal style, with both women defending their aesthetic sensibilities.
• Gabby (humorously): “I think I have better taste when it comes to design.” (19:41)
• Eventually, both admit design is a process, and validation is key, but neither will “die on this hill” over a side table.
• Robby points out, “Our apartment is 90% Gabby.” (22:24)
• Couples therapy is referenced as they dissect underlying ownership and compromise.

Honest Opinions & Asking for Input

30:00 – 38:00

• Gabby asks for Robby’s opinion on nails, only to bristle at unsolicited “advice,” riffing on the contradictions of truly wanting feedback vs. seeking approval.
• Gabby: “You don’t have a say in my nails.” (36:02)
• Robby: “I don’t even want a say in your nails. You’re just supposed to say yes.” (36:07)
• Both appreciate each other’s honesty, even when initially stung by real-talk.

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On Routines and Personal Habits

47:38 – 53:30

• Gabby details her night skincare regimen, explaining the meditative process and her “combination skin” struggles.
• The couple share genuine affection for their togetherness:
  • Robby: "I really like our together win-ness...she’s next to me with a big bucket of potions…” (50:20)
• Gabby attempts silk hair wraps and pillowcases for hair care, which Robby (lovingly) hates.
• Discussions of winding-down, trust, and being “supportive but not nagging” in a partnership.

On Smoking Weed & Habits

54:04 – 55:17

• Gabby asks Robby’s feelings about her weed smoking;
• Robby: “I don’t think anything of it. Do your thing.” (54:08)
• Emphasis on mutual trust: “We just don’t give each other a hard time. Except for the little—” (55:17)

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The “Office Next Door” Metaphor—Working Side by Side

59:17 – 61:01

• Both women talk about their routines as working professionals sharing space ("it's like we share an office"), how they check in, value each other’s opinion, and parallel tea routines.

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Listener Q&A

Advice for a Trans Guy Re-Entering the Dating World

77:06 – 82:44

• First caller (“CJ”) seeks advice on dating as a trans man post-long-term relationship, feeling game as a lesbian didn’t carry over.
• Gabby and Robby both express admiration:
  • “You sound amazing and smart and hot.” (Gabby, 78:33)
• Robby encourages:
  • “Don't put such an emphasis. Just treat it like dating. Be upfront about your experiences, and then just treat it regular, whatever that means for you.” (78:50)
• Gabby and Robby challenge the caller’s self-described shyness, noting vulnerability is attractive.
• “You do wanna date. Be vulnerable—it's embarrassing, but that's everyone’s life.” (Robby, 80:24)
• “If you had game as a lesbian, then you definitely have game now.” (Gabby, 81:05)

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Leaving a Marriage for Queerness, Then Wanting a “Hoe Phase”

82:49 – 87:12

• Caller divorced her husband after realizing she’s gay, jumped into a new monogamous relationship but craves a ‘hoe phase’ before settling down.
• Both hosts stress the realities of lesbian “hoe-phasing” and warn it’s not quite as simple as for straight folks.
• Gabby: “If the hoe phase is for you...yes. But is it really going to be as satisfying?” (85:03)
• Robby: “I do think, yeah, you gotta be careful in a hoe phase because you never know when you’re going to fall in love and your plans change.” (85:19)
• Ultimately—they advise the listener that it may be wise to take it slow, communicate honestly with her new partner, and beware the risk of losing someone great for fleeting fun.

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Pop Culture & Housewives Deep Dive

61:06 – 73:50

• Gabby and Robby analyze current Real Housewives drama (Rhode Island edition).
• They break down Rosie vs. Kelsey, the glass house metaphor, and weigh in on bullying, insecurities, and “slam pig” as a choice insult.
• Robby has empathy for “homelessness” of cast members, reflecting on her own childhood hardships.
• They speculate on cast members’ (possible) drug habits in classic Housewives fashion—humorous but oddly insightful.
• “Both these bullies have an insecurity. That’s what’s going on.” (Robby, 72:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Gabby (on design debates): “Thank God that’s over. She wanted to talk about that the second I started saying ‘don’t tell me you’re not going to take something personal,’ and tell me—well, because you made it personal!” (29:07)
• Robby: “Couples therapy, too — design is not about who wins. Don’t die on the hill of the side table.” (41:26)
• On asking for feedback:
  Gabby: “I think I was projecting on you — like, you know, it’s probably the man thing, when he’s like ‘oh, I don’t like girls who wear a lot of makeup,’ but it’s like go (bleep) yourself. I’m a girl and I’m allowed to wear makeup.” (46:23)
• On compromise:
  Robby: “For the most part, 99% of the time, acquiesce. If you die on 1% of things, make sure it's because it really means a lot.” (41:58)
• On relationships:
  Gabby: “The best part, I love being involved and like you asking for any kind of opinion of mine makes me feel so good because I’m like: Oh my God. She trusts my opinion.” (60:46)
• On family support:
  Robby: "You grow up like that, you grow up like a pack—and whoever has, throws it in the middle and we try and figure it out." (89:39)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:17 – Gabby and Robby begin their playful banter
• 12:27 – 17:04 – The story of the missing chair & vintage shopping wisdom
• 19:04 – 29:06 – The “taste” debate and couples therapy undertones
• 36:02 – 36:07 – Nails, opinions, and what it means to “ask but not hear”
• 47:38 – 53:30 – The nighttime routine and relationship “offices next door”
• 61:06 – 73:50 – Real Housewives of Rhode Island Recap and Analysis
• 77:06 – 82:44 – Dating advice for a trans man caller (CJ)
• 82:49 – 87:12 – Lesbian “hoe phase” call and advice
• 89:27 – 90:34 – Robby helping her brother buy a house; reflections on chosen family and mutual aid

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Tone & Takeaways

• The vibe is fast-moving, funny, highly candid, and deeply affectionate.
• The episode showcases real conflicts and micro-frictions in relationships—handled with humor, self-awareness, and a notable amount of mutual respect.
• Central themes: honesty (even when it stings), the fluidity of taste and routine, adaptiveness in queer relationships, and the importance of forging your own playbook—whether for love, design, or life in general.
• In signature Gabby/Robby fashion, the episode blends pop culture analysis (especially Real Housewives), listener support, and rollicking couple’s banter.

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in modern queer relationships, relationship negotiation, and unfiltered pop culture commentary—with an added layer of sharp wit and heartfelt vulnerability.

Transcript

[Gabby]

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[Caller]

Hello.

[Gabby]

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[Robbie]

Yeah, talking into my mic.

[Gabby]

Talking to it.

[Robbie]

You said you were coming down in a T shirt. Babe, you're all. You're all swanked out.

[Gabby]

I'm in a T shirt.

[Robbie]

Those glasses are excellent.

[Gabby]

Well, you don't. You don't like girls. You don't like.

[Robbie]

Those girls wear fake glasses.

[Gabby]

But when it's a part of the outfit.

[Robbie]

True. In this case, I like it.

[Gabby]

Okay. When it's a part. I'm not pretending to use these to read, but you know, I would.

[Robbie]

Yeah. These are obviously. I would say that there's like a 1% tint on these. Makes it okay.

[Gabby]

You guys, it's so hot in here.

[Robbie]

It's. Babe, this is. This is not. You can't tell.

[Gabby]

But where's. When we have both doors open. We're just recording before we go to Hawaii so we can put it out. This feels like Hawaii.

[Robbie]

Can you believe going to Hawaii?

[Gabby]

I can't. I'm so excited. And I got my neural stir.

[Robbie]

Wait, babe, should we be saying we're going to Hawaii? When this comes out, we'll be in Hawaii. That's fantastic.

[Gabby]

I know.

[Robbie]

Wait, so we'll be in Hawaii?

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

So should we not be saying all this?

[Gabby]

Why?

[Robbie]

What if something in Hawaii. Somebody comes?

[Gabby]

Babe, they're not going to make. Who cares? Please come. First of all. And second of all, nobody's going to make plans to go to. They don't know where we're going in Hawaii.

[Robbie]

Hawaii. Babe, please don't say anything.

[Gabby]

It's fine.

[Robbie]

No, we're supposed to relax.

[Gabby]

I know, but it's fine.

[Robbie]

We deserve this vacation. Do you think we deserve this vacation?

[Gabby]

Yes. I literally. I can't believe. I mean, actually, like, I feel you are such a good planner, but I feel like you need a swift kick in order to plan. Like, I was the one who's like, we're going to Mexico and I'm booking. I know, but you. No, but. No, no, it wasn't like a but. You took the bull by the horns in a good way and planned an amazing vacation for us.

[Robbie]

I gotta give a shout out to my little sister, Yehudis. Of course.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Who I think without her help, she's. She's taken on helping me administratively.

[Gabby]

Huh? Yeah, she's been amazing. I want to call. I want to ask her to call our hotel and see if they have a vibration plate.

[Robbie]

I have a vibration plate. It might not be the size you're looking for. Don't worry.

[Interjector]

Where

[Gabby]

we gotta charge our batter.

[Robbie]

How helpful has my little sister been?

[Gabby]

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[Caller]

Hello.

[Gabby]

I can't go in. I can't go in without finding something I absolutely need. I don't care how big or small makes me feel good. And Sephora is where you can find the newest, hottest drops you won't find anywhere else. And ain't that the truth. Say less. So shop the newest, hottest beauty only at Sephora. I have a new words and phrases list growing. Do you want to hear some of them?

[Robbie]

Okay. Lovey.

[Gabby]

KY Wrestling. That was just on Ladies of London.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

Like KY jelly. Yeah, let's see that there. One with the glasses. Me?

[Robbie]

Babe, those glasses. The bridge of those glasses is unbelievable. I've never seen a bridge so good.

[Gabby]

This is why I've been wanting to.

[Robbie]

What are. What brand is that?

[Gabby]

I don't even want to say.

[Robbie]

Oh, give it to me. Let me see.

[Gabby]

They're not. They're not. Oh, yes, they are. Oh, no, they're not.

[Robbie]

Let me see.

[Gabby]

They're. They're. Gentle Monster.

[Robbie]

Oh, cutie.

[Gabby]

I love Gentle Monster.

[Robbie]

She's my little gentleman.

[Gabby]

We're going to Hawaii.

[Robbie]

I'm so excited. See, I have the snorkels. I bought us. Yes.

[Gabby]

And then what did I buy?

[Robbie]

You bought us binoculars because you're on your bird watching kick.

[Gabby]

I bought us a binocular size each, but I think I'm gonna want yours.

[Robbie]

Oh, this is what happens, too. It's like she'll buy me something, but watch me open it and basically look.

[Gabby]

No, that's what you do.

[Robbie]

That's what you do to me.

[Gabby]

Look at her smile. That's what you do.

[Robbie]

Remember when the merch came and you were like, they're mine, they're mine. I'm like, I'm pretty sure they sent it for me.

[Gabby]

They fit me like a glove.

[Robbie]

No, but she.

[Gabby]

I also got bucket hats.

[Robbie]

The one was just a Goldilocks in the bucket.

[Gabby]

I know she's Goldilocks, but the one that I got her was. First of all, it was on Depop, so it's like. But it was. And I'm a good sorcerer. They say it's no be. Do you know where I'm going? What I'm about to say?

[Robbie]

Oh, do you know what? I might. I. I think I might know. I think I might know. I figured the reason you asked me to be on the pod this week was because you had some to say.

[Gabby]

No, no, I can't wait. I would never queen you.

[Robbie]

Wait, babe, is that my soda can?

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah. Cold as ice. It feels so good.

[Robbie]

It feels so good. I'm boiling hot, guys. Plus, she's got the lights.

[Gabby]

No, I don't want it. You know what a cocoen is? It's a woman cuckold. So I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to cuck you. Basically back you into a corner.

[Robbie]

Okay, wait, so a woman cuckold to somebody who sits on the couch and watches her husband sleep with other women?

[Gabby]

Yes. And it's spelled C, U, K, E, A, N. Fantastic.

[Robbie]

I don't know what that.

[Gabby]

Or there might be a Q, U. But I think I'm thinking of the.

[Robbie]

Wait, what's it called? A cucking. A cucking.

[Gabby]

Wait, let me look it up. Queen Cuckoon.

[Robbie]

I think Cocoen.

[Gabby]

Coqueen. Yeah.

[Robbie]

Do you think you're a cocoen? No.

[Gabby]

Do you?

[Robbie]

Do I think I'm a cocoen?

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

No.

[Gabby]

No. We're just not. Do you know any cocoens who would really be into that?

[Robbie]

That the husband sleeps with somebody else?

[Gabby]

I. I'm thinking like a lesbian relationship.

[Robbie]

Well, here's the thing. I would get in. I know a lesbian sleeping with a lesbian.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Well, with a bi person. With a married woman.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And the husband. Right. Fine with it.

[Gabby]

Well, that's a cuckold.

[Robbie]

Yeah. I don't know if he watches, though.

[Gabby]

Yeah, I know who you're talking about.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

But. Okay. Okay. So the other day. Yeah, the other day.

[Robbie]

First of all, this is what I thought.

[Gabby]

I'm a good sorcerer. So I got.

[Robbie]

Fantastic.

[Gabby]

I got Robbie this Louis by supreme bucket hat. It's too small for her.

[Robbie]

We should give it to my sister. My other sister.

[Gabby]

We should. It would look so good on her. It would look so cute in that.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Robbie]

We can give the blue one to Adam.

[Gabby]

I want the blue one.

[Robbie]

Oh, okay.

[Gabby]

The I girl.

[Robbie]

You said you were throwing on a tea and coming down, but look at her now.

[Gabby]

Babe, this is a tea. And I'm schl. I mean, you're.

[Robbie]

Shoot, you're.

[Gabby]

We should go over our Yiddish vocab too. Okay.

[Interjector]

Go ahead.

[Robbie]

What do you know?

[Gabby]

I know pish.

[Robbie]

Yeah. To pee.

[Gabby]

Schutz.

[Robbie]

Schm is really schitz. But we have our own language. It's turned into I'm schweiz shoes. And also a little bit tad languagey.

[Gabby]

Schloff.

[Robbie]

Schluffy to sleep. That's great.

[Gabby]

Make tracks.

[Robbie]

Make tracks is just on my mother saying. It's not Yiddish at all. It's just, you got to start moving. We gotta cross the street if it's yellow. Make tracks. Yeah, you know, like. Like, cars are coming. You got to make tracks. I think it comes from her growing up in Montreal. In the winter, you make tracks in the snow.

[Gabby]

Oh, wow.

[Robbie]

You know, you're walking fat. You're walking.

[Gabby]

A great saying. I think I tracks. I think I did put it in my book and I said, compliments of Robbie's mom.

[Robbie]

Thank you.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

To my mother as.

[Gabby]

I just love a good saying. Chaya. Has the best sayings too. Like, you guys just have always the best sayings.

[Robbie]

Yeah, my sister Kaya also has. My sister Kaya is just. Yeah. From another world.

[Gabby]

She's a white Smith.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

I'm gonna put this down.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

So the other day, luckily I had just had an edible, so I was feeling funny and we were. We had ordered sugar fish. Was it the day you came back?

[Robbie]

We. I did.

[Gabby]

Me and. Oh, excuse me. Okay, well, it was a we because we used my app.

[Robbie]

Yeah, because you don't know how to work.

[Gabby]

No, no, because you don't know how. Okay. But Robbie does. She said it was on her, so she venmoed me.

[Robbie]

Yeah. If I say something's on me and my app doesn't work, I'm still going to do it on me. I'm going to make sure.

[Gabby]

But you like to do this thing, which is. Which is fair. But she's like, babe, I forgot my card. Can I

[Robbie]

have. I really do not do that.

[Gabby]

No, but. No, but I'm saying you still pay for it.

[Robbie]

I understand, but how you can count on a matter of hands that I've had to do that.

[Gabby]

When have I had to do it?

[Robbie]

Babe, you don't pay. I pay for everything. Oh, okay. Babe, I don't pay for all of our going out.

[Gabby]

You do actually.

[Robbie]

Dinners and stuff. Okay. So on the few times I say let's pick up smoothies and I realize you made me go to Equinox or this or the gym and I didn't have it. I said, oh, I said I would get a smoothies. And then I'm so literal about it that when I get it, when we get the smoothies, I. And you had to pay or something because I. I didn't. I still. I Venmo you. Right?

[Gabby]

Yes. No, you can count on hands. Yes. Yes.

[Robbie]

I don't want to give people the wrong.

[Gabby]

I know she's. I can tell you're getting upset, but I'm just teasing you and you. Really? Well, because I was, you know, going through my receipts for some reason.

[Robbie]

Okay. I'm so curious where this is going.

[Gabby]

Last year, no, I didn't have. I didn't eat out at all myself because you. You buy all of our eating outs. Now, I had a lot of doordash, but you get. You always pick up because I doordash when you're gone. When I'm alone, I really need to start cooking again anyways. Okay, so we're back to the sugar fish. I had just had an edible. We are you Know, we've been in this place for like a year now, so we love it. So now we're now really getting settled in focusing more on design, like, as it comes, you know, to. So we have, we have kind of an entry space that it's a little hard to design, but we got these two really great leather chairs.

[Robbie]

Yeah, they're kind of a bogo.

[Gabby]

Because this one guy.

[Robbie]

Oh, yeah. We'll tell this story. This is a big one. This is why I'm so proud of you. Should I say while you're looking it up?

[Gabby]

Yes, because I want to see if I have the chair.

[Robbie]

What's the chair called? It's the. My friend Roxy said it's the chair that John Lennon is sitting on.

[Gabby]

Oh, wow.

[Robbie]

It's like a famous chair. It's like one of those chairs that you probably saw growing up and you're like, huh, maybe one day I have this chair.

[Gabby]

And they're so comfortable, so.

[Robbie]

Exactly. Yeah. It's incredible leather. It's. It's second hand, so the leather is really built.

[Interjector]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Anyway. And we live obviously in California, but there's a lot of secondhand mid century stuff available. Whatever. Whatever. But anyway, this price was really good. Okay. It was like $3,000.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Which is, which is crazy expensive. And keep in mind, whatever. For this thing. It's also like, it's. It'll make, you know, it's. It's. It's old and special and has a lot of history to it. And still, 3,000 is a great price for one for. For two, obviously. It's an amazing price for two. So we, we hit buy. We both decide. We thought about it for a while. We're gonna get the chairs. We want the chairs. We're gonna get the chairs. We. This house, we want to rent this for 10 years if possible. This is where we want to be. We want to rent this apartment if we can. And we're getting the chairs. We're going to really make like our entry. Yeah, we got the chairs. No, we get one chair.

[Gabby]

We get one. I know I'm.

[Robbie]

One chair comes next. I'm going, where's the other chair? Gab looks at it because she did

[Gabby]

this, this thing while I bought them. I bought them on Cherished or. I can't find the text, but.

[Robbie]

But anyway, I go, where's the chair? We have one chair. Looks great already. We're thrilled with it. The guy said, oh, the listing said two chairs, but it's actually 3,000 for one chair. And then he said, as if he was Doing her a favor.

[Gabby]

I know I wanted it versatile because it was so bad, but I'll send

[Robbie]

you the second chair.

[Gabby]

Just to keep my word.

[Robbie]

Just to keep my word. It's like the listings has two chairs.

[Gabby]

This is like to do. No, it's terrible. And he blamed it. He acted like it was my idea. He was like, oh, just to be. Or like his idea that I got both chairs. Oh, just to be a man of my word. Yes, yes. I'll ship you the other one. It's like, no, I bought both of them because you fucked up on the listing.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

So how is this now my fault?

[Robbie]

Pictures is two chairs. Pictures is two chairs. The listing says a pair of chairs.

[Gabby]

And because I double checked that there were two chairs because it did kind of seem cheap, I didn't know how, how much these went for. And I.

[Robbie]

Well, I saw the price. When she showed, showed me, I said, yeah, if they're authentic.

[Gabby]

Like now looking at furniture and stuff, you never know if they're selling the pair or one or what. So I made sure to check and it said a pair. And then I got his ass.

[Robbie]

Here is the moral of the story. Screenshot your listing. If you're splurging, you're on Grailed, even Depop. Okay. Now Depop is harder because they have less guarantee for stuff. But I think over a certain amount, if you're. If you have a real splurge. And I know this for Poshmark, if you spend over 300, I think on Poshmark, maybe it's 300 or 400, they do a guarantee.

[Gabby]

Oh, is that, is that Poshmark or Depop?

[Robbie]

That's Poshmark. I don't know about Depot.

[Gabby]

Oh, you always have to Depop more.

[Robbie]

Really?

[Gabby]

Well, I think they have better stuff.

[Robbie]

I think they have better stuff. And you know why I like Depop more? For some reason, it's. It's like more of the, it's more the people. You can trust it because there's better people on it. It's like people are on it. I feel like there's more companies on a cherish, on a grailed even.

[Gabby]

Yeah, well, it's hard to compare furniture.

[Robbie]

Real. Real. I think that Depop is literally us just selling each other's. Yeah, there's something like why would. But anyway, either way, screenshots are all we have now, literally. Right. So you just have to be screenshotting should you need the receipts.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Because even if this guy, he's making it seem like he's doing us the favor, that would have gone straight to Cherish.

[Gabby]

No, literally.

[Robbie]

Okay. He would have been answering to them, and he would have had no leg to stand on.

[Gabby]

No, I'm still trying to find his barking.

[Robbie]

He hates him so much. Okay, love. No, At a certain point, you have to give up trying to find. Take the screenshots and maybe put them in a folder. We're never doing that. But this is. This is.

[Gabby]

Well, I didn't even need a screenshot because he, like, whatever, saw that he had messed up. Anyways, back to sugar Fish. So we're doing.

[Robbie]

Let's say he didn't. You'd have to go to Gret. You'd have to go to Cherish.

[Interjector]

I know.

[Gabby]

I. Yeah. I have my receipt.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

Yeah. And it says two in the receipt, so.

[Robbie]

See?

[Gabby]

So there's nothing he could do. He's a. I'm his. I'm his cuck. I'm his Babe, you bring up this. I know, but for so many things

[Robbie]

now, I'm not sure.

[Gabby]

Well, it's a figure of speech. You can just use it.

[Robbie]

Oh, what did they say?

[Gabby]

I just use it when I have someone backed into a corner. Because I'm the one. I'm the onlooker of. Of those other guys.

[Robbie]

Who are the guys?

[Gabby]

Well, the guys in the corner are the ones that are.

[Robbie]

And you're the cuck.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

So who's in the chair scenario? Who's the guy in the corner?

[Gabby]

Him and Cherish.

[Robbie]

Okay. Gorgeous. Girly. No. Tell it.

[Gabby]

No, but it's like. Well, okay, whatever. We were kind of feeling funny, but.

[Robbie]

Well, you were feeling funny.

[Gabby]

No. Edible Robbie grew up with nine siblings, so we know. You know, there's some defense mechanisms in there. Anyways, we're trying to. We're trying to design these chairs. We have, like, high pedestal table that we had from our last place in the middle, like, between the.

[Robbie]

Had it. It's really nice.

[Gabby]

Yeah. So we don't really know, like, where it's going. Robbie wanted different levels of tables, and. And I love that. But she found this, you know, stool that I had in my pod that I want.

[Robbie]

A stool. It's a beautiful stool.

[Gabby]

I know, but I brought it up from here to put in our bedroom.

[Robbie]

By the way, we could next to the chair if you want.

[Gabby]

No, babe, this is the podcast studio.

[Robbie]

Okay, go ahead.

[Gabby]

She wants to take everything, but it's not a bad idea if we could replace it.

[Robbie]

Babe, I don't. But for the pod studio, people might be very attached to it.

[Gabby]

No, I'm not, actually. I Think it's a really good idea. And it kind of looks like the other table. No, it proves my point in that the wooden stool, I just don't like there.

[Robbie]

I. And I prefer the wooden to this. But I would. I would compromise.

[Gabby]

Okay. Sometimes, Robbie, like, we both. Sometimes we'll just have to put our foot down. Like, I do not like that painting there. I'll acquiesce. I succumb. I tried. That's fine. And, you know, sometimes I get to try my voice out, too. And you know when I try my voice out, what I'm hit with. I hate to say this. I don't want to say this. I hate to say this. Over her.

[Interjector]

Over her.

[Gabby]

Nigiri. She's saying this. I hate to say this, but I

[Robbie]

think there's a helicopter.

[Gabby]

I think I make. I have better taste when it comes to design.

[Robbie]

Here's what happened.

[Gabby]

Can you imagine? She could not. First of all, we all think that. I think that too. You think? I don't think that's what happened. Second of all, you think I would ever say that out loud?

[Robbie]

You have. Many times.

[Gabby]

No, that I have better days. Let me tell you. I think you have amazing days.

[Robbie]

I know. I. And I think the same of you. What the people need to understand what I'm dealing with is. This is just one example. But I have a painting that I made when I was eight years old.

[Gabby]

Okay, no. This is already sounding so pretentious. No, but this is the problem with telling your kids that they're great because I know where you're going.

[Robbie]

First of all, we didn't. My mother did not think. Well, no, this is the one weird example where I made this painting. My grandfather. My grandfather painted landscapes. Nathan Latovsky. You can look it up. Somebody just sent me an email that they saw one of his paintings for sale on Etsy. Whoa. Which is really cool.

[Gabby]

I want to see it.

[Robbie]

But Nathan. So I used to. Anyway, I made a painting. He came over. He visited. I don't know. We made this painting. I painted a tree in a valley and whatever nature. And he. My grandfather gassed me up about it, which is, you know, which was. Felt really good at the time. Must have been eight, nine years old. I don't know. And he said, we gotta frame it immediately. We gotta frame it. So he goes. And I. I knew framing was expensive because when my grandfather had to frame his own paintings for he was trying to sell, it was always a big deal. So I'm like, he's gonna pay and he's gonna frame My. He goes, okay, so listen. So listen, I'm telling the people the story.

[Gabby]

No, but I'm also in the room.

[Robbie]

Okay, but listen, because look, there's a two teen here. Look at these two dogs. Okay, okay, so that painting my mother sent me, I moved to California. Years go by. I had this painting since I'm 8 years old. My grandfather framed my grand. Was inspired.

[Gabby]

I know what you're talking about.

[Robbie]

Where did Gabby hang this? Knowing all this? In the bath. She has this in her bathroom.

[Gabby]

First of all, I didn't know this was the one that Zadie said we have to frame it immediately.

[Robbie]

That's the only frame painting I have.

[Gabby]

You think I'm gonna think back that much and deduce and do all kind of calculations?

[Robbie]

Here's all.

[Gabby]

You think I'm. No, you think I'm that tuned in?

[Robbie]

Here's the kicker. Even after she finds that out, it's still hanging in her bathroom.

[Gabby]

It's far enough away. It's not getting any. It's not getting anywhere. Plus, that's not bad. That's not bad taste. It looks great there.

[Robbie]

But I just.

[Gabby]

She's worried about the risk of water damage.

[Robbie]

Okay, well, here's.

[Gabby]

Which I completely understand, but water doesn't get over there to damage it.

[Robbie]

Okay? So thank you, lovey. The other thing is, you have to understand that our apartment is 90% gabby. Now, that's not necessarily her fault. She had a much bigger place when we moved in, and I sold my sister a lot of my stuff because my sister was taking over my place, and she had. Was very particular about the things she had at the time. She had a really eclectic sofa, which I love. She had some things. We bought some stuff together, like rugs and stuff. But for the most part, a lot of it was kind of hers. She had a queen bed. I only had a double, and I made mistakes. Yeah, so. So it's fine. We've both made mistakes, but for the most part, this idea that it's 90%. Like, the whole thing is 90% yours. So when I do put my. Like you're like, oh, when you put your foot down, your whole foot is down. The whole place is. Your. Is Your foot is down.

[Gabby]

Well, so this is good, because now we're uncovering something else, which is that

[Robbie]

keep in mind we just finished the new season of couples therapy, too.

[Gabby]

Well, no, this is. Yeah, because I feel like it's not coming from a place of taste. It's coming from maybe that you. You're feeling a lack of ownership.

[Robbie]

No, I'm not.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Robbie]

But thank you. But thank you. But it is.

[Gabby]

Because when you helped me pick mostly everything.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

And the old apartment, which came here. Maybe you didn't pick it for yourself. Maybe for me in a place at

[Robbie]

the time when we didn't live together.

[Gabby]

So what don't you like.

[Robbie]

No, I'm saying all I said. And I didn't say what you said.

[Gabby]

Yes, you did.

[Robbie]

No, I did. No, you were high and you're misremembering.

[Gabby]

I misremember?

[Robbie]

Yeah, you.

[Gabby]

No, it was worse, probably.

[Robbie]

No, it wasn't. You were pushing. You hate the table there. You hate the table.

[Gabby]

I did. I was like. I had my foot down her other table is there.

[Robbie]

The chairs are there. Everything's.

[Gabby]

Doesn't matter that it's mine.

[Robbie]

It's mine.

[Interjector]

I don't care.

[Robbie]

I agree. First of all, it's all ours. We bought the trust. It doesn't matter.

[Gabby]

Yeah. No.

[Robbie]

I'm gonna say what happened. I gotta say what happened. Lovey. You gotta let me.

[Interjector]

No.

[Gabby]

It's really such a shame somebody's missing you as a lawyer. It's really such a shame that you can't get this energy out in a court of law.

[Robbie]

Well, let me bring it to the court of people, babe.

[Gabby]

If you don't talk to me.

[Robbie]

Okay. I just want to finish and say what happens. So she. We're having the sugar fish. We're eating. We're eating. She really hates it. She really hates it. Now. I. You know, people like. There's many just. Design is a language that could take years in different forms. And it's finessing and it's changing and it's evolving and all the stuff. Okay. But there's certain things that people kind of adhere to.

[Gabby]

Cold and warm for.

[Robbie]

Yeah, cold and warm. If you have. If you have a wooden table, you might want to want metal chairs. If you have. You know, if you. You want to layer textures. If you have a rug, you might want a glass side.

[Gabby]

This, I think, is an offense.

[Robbie]

You might want some height. Different height of lights.

[Gabby]

Yes.

[Robbie]

You might want levels. Okay.

[Gabby]

Yeah, yeah. Dimensions.

[Robbie]

Levels and balance. And all of these things have a big.

[Gabby]

And I agreed on.

[Robbie]

Here's the thing. We had the chairs here. We have a very high table between them, which is really an entry.

[Gabby]

Just what we have.

[Robbie]

It's just what we have. We want to save it.

[Gabby]

Yeah. No, we don't want to. I don't need to save it.

[Robbie]

Okay. Well, it was expensive.

[Gabby]

Well, we can give it to Carmen. I think we should give Everything else,

[Robbie]

because it's an entry and you're putting on your shirt. Anyway, bottom line, it's. It's really a small thing. It's just a little stool that's at, like.

[Gabby]

It's the first.

[Robbie]

Imagine there's, like a layering of these two stools.

[Gabby]

It's the first thing you see when you walk inside. And it. It is. It sticks out like a thumb.

[Robbie]

No, only because you're focusing. But here's the thing.

[Gabby]

Say what you told me.

[Robbie]

So I said, babe, I don't look. Because she was like, I. She was screaming.

[Gabby]

I was not.

[Robbie]

She screaming, taste.

[Gabby]

I was not.

[Robbie]

Okay, not screaming, really. But. But she was insisting. I know. As if she was saying, I trust me. My taste. Everybody loves my taste.

[Gabby]

I was saying that you were saying something about your taste, but I was not saying it like that.

[Robbie]

And you said, I won't take it personal. Okay, Right.

[Gabby]

Because I knew she was biting her tongue about something, so she was really personal.

[Robbie]

So I said, okay. I said, you won't take it personal.

[Gabby]

But she. But you provoked me. You goaded me. Because I know when you're being quiet, you don't want to say something. So I was just willing.

[Robbie]

I was like, okay, the stool, whatever. But she was like, no. Like. And I was like, no, you. And she said, I won't take it personal. I said, you won't take it personal. Right.

[Gabby]

Because I thought it was just about the school.

[Robbie]

So finally. So. So I said, you won't take a personal. No, I won't take it personal. So I said, I know that you're new. I said, something's.

[Gabby]

In fact, that's like, I'm a fast learner.

[Robbie]

Yes. And I agree that you've, like, taken on, you know, you, You. You. You've really, you know, really devoured and. And leaned into design, especially everybody.

[Gabby]

I had a bunch more time and moved into a place where I needed all new furniture.

[Robbie]

Yeah, she had a lot of time and whatever, but some of these aesthetics. I've been on my own since 17, and I grew up with a lot of the kind of cultures and fashions that she likes. Now, coming from New York and Montreal,

[Gabby]

this is what's going on.

[Robbie]

So she tends. No, she tends to tell me, I like this look. I like this look. She'll be like, and I know that look because it's. It's pretty common.

[Gabby]

Okay, what'd you tell me then? I said, I won't take it personal.

[Robbie]

You said, I won't take it personal.

[Gabby]

So she tells me, you say, I tend to have better taste in design, or I think I have better taste in design than you. So. So then she made it.

[Robbie]

No, I didn't know. I didn't say that.

[Gabby]

There was a direct comparison.

[Robbie]

I didn't.

[Gabby]

You're missing.

[Robbie]

I said, I think you have great taste and. But I. I can be trusted more. I think I have very good.

[Gabby]

You said better, baby.

[Robbie]

I might have more. More acceptance experience with interior design.

[Gabby]

You said better. I don't know. Why do you think. Look at her. Why do you think? I freaked out anyway? And I didn't even freak out. We were laughing. I'm like, are you?

[Robbie]

Because we generally do agree on a lot. Now we're talking about a little stool, whatever. For the most part, most of the look. She comes in with the sofa. I love it. She comes in with this thing, the bench. I love most of our look. It's small things. We both agree that when the chairs happen, we're both thinking, what do we do? How do we make an entry? Because we don't really have an entry. We have nowhere for co. Like, it's just open. So we wanted to make a cozy entry, and we were thinking chairs. I send her those black chairs. She goes, baby, read my mind. I was thinking, these chairs.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Is that not what happened?

[Gabby]

Yeah. Okay, well, I love you.

[Robbie]

I love you.

[Gabby]

Thank God that's over.

[Robbie]

She wanted to talk about that the

[Gabby]

second I started saying, don't tell me

[Robbie]

you're not going to take something personal. And tell me. Well, because you made it.

[Gabby]

You made it personal.

[Robbie]

Taught us.

[Gabby]

I won't take it personal. If you were like, I, you know what, I don't like this. Or I don't like this. Here I thought you were going to give me another criticism, like you didn't like something, but you. I said, I won't take it personal because that's what. I didn't think it was going to be personal. And then it was personal.

[Robbie]

Babe, here's the whole thing. When I met you, okay, you had the macrame. You had the macra. I. I didn't take. First of all, I don't mind. Like, I don't care for you and all of lifestyle and where you're comfortable. I'm comfortable.

[Gabby]

I know we had different asking.

[Robbie]

My taste. If you're asking. You just asked me something on your phone. You asked my opinion, and then you said, don't.

[Gabby]

What happened on everything?

[Robbie]

No, but you just asked me your opinion. What was it when you.

[Gabby]

With the nails.

[Robbie]

So she's showing me this nail she wants to get. She goes, what do you think? I said, oh, I prefer these. She said, don't comment on my nails. She's literally bringing the phone. I'm on my computer. She goes, babe, I'm going to my nails. I'm doing this as this. She brings it to me. She goes, what do you think? This nail? This now? I go, oh, I like this. Now she's like, so you don't like these? And I was like, no, I don't really like the image.

[Gabby]

She goes, get something sexy, like a French manicure, which I did. And I have her name on them.

[Robbie]

Well, she wanted something like. Yeah, sexy but unique.

[Gabby]

Well, no, I had a picture of these too, but they were.

[Robbie]

But they were, like, wild.

[Gabby]

And you were like, the black tip.

[Robbie]

The black tip is gonna look like dirt under your nails. Look at this. This. So she brings me these, baby.

[Gabby]

No, because. Talk to me.

[Robbie]

I have. Okay.

[Gabby]

No, because I also have my own camera.

[Robbie]

Why'd you put this one right here?

[Gabby]

Because.

[Caller]

Because.

[Robbie]

Can I sit next to you? Wait, can I sit next to you?

[Gabby]

Yeah. Do you want to sit next to me?

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Gabby]

And then I'll. I'll actually move your camera.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

So we each have her.

[Robbie]

Or wait, that's actually going to be better.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Okay. So who do I show this to? Yeah, this is the nails.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Robbie]

So the black tips picture. We're going to the beach. We have sand. This is going to be black under, you know, and. And fingers is all we have that are. You know, I don't want to get into it.

[Gabby]

Babe, that's so cute.

[Robbie]

You want to sit next to. Hey, Kitty.

[Gabby]

No, but you guys, we're all just playing. Oh, wow, this looks really good.

[Robbie]

See? And then we can share the soda.

[Gabby]

Oh, thank God.

[Robbie]

I'm so tired again. I can't believe I have to pack. I haven't packed. Not a stitch.

[Gabby]

I can't wait to pack. I'm so excited to pack.

[Robbie]

And I just can't wait to be king.

[Gabby]

See, it's not your autism. It's you. Your already finding this cube.

[Robbie]

Oh, okay. Well, my autism is probably

[Gabby]

okay now. We got.

[Robbie]

Oh, yeah. You don't want to share a bite?

[Gabby]

No.

[Robbie]

It feels like it's cooling down.

[Gabby]

I know. Don't I know. It was really your car that was heating it up.

[Robbie]

And I just can't wait to be king.

[Gabby]

You can talk into here if you want. Or.

[Robbie]

Or no, I'm gonna wait. No, but, babe, I want you. You're. I don't want you sitting there.

[Gabby]

No, I'M not.

[Robbie]

I just have to figure.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Robbie]

I just do like this. Yeah.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Gabby]

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[Robbie]

See what she does? Okay, is she asked my opinion, but then if. Or she tells me she wants to hear what I have to say. She doesn't take it personal. She forces me into it and then says how dare you give me gizy? And I literally got like. She comes here and she's giving me

[Gabby]

this camera's on me.

[Robbie]

You smell so good, love. You already smell like the vacation.

[Gabby]

No, because I have bumble bumble spray. I think these are objectively cute. And I was like, should I get these?

[Robbie]

So she's asking me. But then. So what am I supposed to say?

[Gabby]

And then I'm like, you don't have a say in my nails.

[Robbie]

Oh, yeah, that's what she said. You don't have a say in my nails. I said, I don't even want to say in your nails because you're just

[Gabby]

supposed to say yes. Like, do you think? And then I showed her these ones. Yeah, Like a ladybug. Just so cute. But you know what? But I always do take your opinion into consideration, even at first, if I don't like it, because look what I got. And I texted her a picture of what I wanted to get, and I was like, okay, if we can make these work, should I. What color should I do the pink or the black? And she said, if you're gonna do it, do it. And then the black.

[Robbie]

Black. Yeah, I like the black.

[Gabby]

See, even though, like, my words maybe don't speak loud, but my actions really speak louder. Oh, okay.

[Robbie]

Well, what do you mean, your words don't speak loud? Babe, this came off.

[Gabby]

That's fine. Like, when I'm like, you. You can't. Don't tell me what to do with my nails. I mean, maybe my words bite. Or I'm like, whatever, I don't trust you. Or I don't trust your taste.

[Robbie]

Yeah. She's always coming to ask.

[Gabby]

But I ask, but I do.

[Robbie]

And then. So I've stopped. Like, I'll wait till she asks now to, like, with this design thing of the stool and why I thought the whole thing wasn't working.

[Gabby]

We are going to have somebody come by, and we will report back.

[Robbie]

And she's an actual designer, so we'll see.

[Gabby]

And we just. I could be wrong.

[Robbie]

I'm happy to be wrong. I just gave my opinion about why it wasn't working, why I think it was working, and I think I've just had a little more design experience. It's something that you soak up years and years and years. I've been on my own a lot longer.

[Gabby]

And you've always had great taste. But I've never.

[Robbie]

Because I've always been from nothing. I know. Finding good things of the Salvation Army.

[Gabby]

It is true. I've never been exposed to it. And I'm a sponge.

[Robbie]

She's a sponge.

[Gabby]

I'll suck it up really fast. And like, the people like her who have been practicing all her life, they take it really personal when they get passed up No, I don't take it personal.

[Robbie]

I just say, you want me to agree the table looks better. I don't think it does. I don't want you, so I'm gonna lie.

[Gabby]

Actually, this is what I. I don't want you to. I. I think you'd be like, fine, you know, we'll move it. One of us. Well, this is. This is one thing. Most of the time, one of us always gives in. We're like, oh, it's just not that big of a deal. I totally get it. But this time we're not. Which is why we need a referee.

[Robbie]

Well, most times I give in.

[Gabby]

You don't realize the times I give in.

[Robbie]

Okay, we'll name a time, because I have times ready to go.

[Gabby]

Well, babe, I don't keep, like. I don't keep receipts.

[Robbie]

I don't have either.

[Gabby]

I just. I. Oh, okay. But let's get into Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

[Robbie]

Don't you think I let things go, though? I just.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

Like. Like, just generally, I'm just like, okay, yeah. Unless you really push me to ask something or something.

[Gabby]

No. The bottom line is that at some point, like, sometimes you are afraid that. That I am going to pop off irrationally. Because it happens.

[Robbie]

Right.

[Gabby]

Because I have a mood disorder.

[Robbie]

That's okay.

[Interjector]

But.

[Gabby]

So then. Which. I don't ever want to make you scared, ever. Like, I'm not. I'm not laughing at like that, but I think, like, yes. You're. You're also very quick to, you know, Sorry to use this word twice in one, but it's on. Acquiesce.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Because I'll just say my opinion, but it's okay if it doesn't go that way.

[Caller]

Way.

[Robbie]

I'm like, all right, well, we're not doing that. But it's just something.

[Gabby]

It's only some things that we both feel very passionate about. Like, if I said no and if

[Robbie]

it's not important, like a stool.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Robbie]

I can. I can hammer down on if it's an opinion of, like, you. You don't want to stay at this hotel. You for the hotel. Okay. That's where you're staying. Okay. I'll say that's no problem. We'll stay there.

[Gabby]

Yeah. So true.

[Robbie]

You know what I mean? If it's something like, oh, like, how's she gonna. How are we gonna sleep? How are we gonna live? Or something like that, I'll always acquiesce and make comfortable. If it's something as. As silly as a side of a side table, which is what we're working on. I don't mind to really hammer home something like that, but the. The more important things, I'll always.

[Gabby]

It was just so funny because I did not know what was coming at all, but. But also, it's like, I don't know. I like how we can just, like, tell each other everything and make a joke about it. And like, sure, I took it personal for a second, but then I get

[Robbie]

told me, promise me, tell me what you're saying. I'm not taking personal. I was like, okay, she's in a mood. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, she had an edible. She's not. Okay. She really wants to hear my opinion, so that's what I said. I don't. Fellas, don't go out there volunteering and doing this. Also, don't make it seem. I hope I didn't give the wrong idea, like, oh, that we're. We. We only sweat the small stuff. This is one particular small thing about a side table. Also, don't sweat the small stuff. Acquiesce as much as you possibly can. Of course, the important things, you know, and if you have to hold your ground on important things for your important reasons, that's fine. But for the most part, I would say 99 of the time, acquies. If you die on 1% of things, make sure because it really means a lot to you or it's such a nothing thing that it's honestly fun.

[Gabby]

You go, I am dead on this hill. And I go, yeah.

[Robbie]

I go, I would die on this hill.

[Gabby]

And I go, no. And then you go, I am dead. And I was like, I'm deader. Like, no, no. But even if, like. And that is the thing, small stuff versus large stuff, I feel like we never sweat the big stuff, though, because we know we're going to, like, figure it out and work on it.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Robbie]

It's amazing. It's unbelievable. So we really only have sweats off. And again, 99 of them. I'm not sweating.

[Interjector]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Fellas, do not be, you know, volunteering your opinion here and there. I don't volunteer nothing. If I have an opinion, it's a good opinion. And that's honest, too. If she wants my opinion on something that I have no opinion on, I'll say that. But if she's really pushing me to have an opinion, she knows this. Maybe not. Then I really think about it in the moment, and often I lose. If that happens, if it does come out. It did not come out.

[Gabby]

No. But it takes me one second, and then I do really Value it. Like, if I. But. But that is. I don't know what's so great about being with someone who can be honest with you. Because also, I wrote when we were in New York, and this was. I don't. I don't need. Whatever. No, no, it wasn't bad. It was honestly for me, too. Cause it's like, when do. Like, when do we stop wearing foundation? I guess, like, just like, in general, when do girls kind of stop? Or if you're not going to an event. I. I don't know. Or if. If thing. Do you know what foundation is?

[Robbie]

Like, the makeup?

[Interjector]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

So, like, sometimes I'll wear foundation. Yeah, I'm not right now.

[Robbie]

Oh, you look beautiful.

[Gabby]

I know, but look, you have an

[Robbie]

eyelash that I know look can make it with.

[Gabby]

Want to know what I wish for?

[Robbie]

No, don't tell me that.

[Gabby]

Okay, but when we were in New York going to the Mets game and you got us tickets and whatever, I got dressed. I literally wore what I had in my closet, which were leather pants and a leather jacket. And I put makeup on. And I asked you. You weren't saying at that time, but I was like, do you think I wear a lot of makeup? And you were like, sometimes. Not in a bad way at. But you were just in here. Like, yeah, sometimes at photo shoots. And like, we've. Well, you guys finding a makeup artist as hell, like, to have them. Whatever. Do you. Like, you look like yourself. Look like yourself. But then I was kind of like, oh, yeah, I guess, like, I don't really need to wear foundation all the time. Like, I don't know. It's kind of freeing that.

[Robbie]

Yeah, well, she asked me. You can't ask me personal. But at first, do I wear a lot of makeup? And so I thought about. It was like, sometimes she does and sometimes she doesn't. Of course she does. Press events. So she wears. She has a makeup artist.

[Gabby]

But I meant, like, kind of day to day.

[Robbie]

Oh, well, I know you were wearing makeup when you even asked.

[Gabby]

See, that's what I wanted to hear, but it didn't come out.

[Robbie]

Oh, okay. She just asked me, do I wear my. I was like, yes, you do.

[Gabby]

But it's not. You know what? But I'm always going and searching for an answer, and we can't do that to ourselves, girls. We just cannot.

[Robbie]

But I said, with makeup. Or I know when she has to wear makeup because she did a photo shoot. She did something. Okay, there's a makeup artist in the house. But it's not like she has to wear makeup because many times she doesn't wear makeup. She's not even wearing the foundation now. She's.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know, treat it like it's a different. You have work clothes, you have different things, right? I do. I always wear.

[Gabby]

You know, and not to say a lot of makeup is bad either because I know it's. It's kind of like, it's also like an outlet and girls can do makeup really, really, really good. And like that. I'm just saying like for myself. Yeah, yeah.

[Robbie]

By the way, which I didn't know you even thought that because that's not what you. But. But yeah, I, I think that, you know, you don't wear makeup at home and I. Great. But you also.

[Gabby]

But. And I also wear makeup and look beautiful if I was better at it. Like. But yeah, no, I don't know. I thought that was a, like a time I asked for feedback. At first I took it personal. I was like, what do you mean? And then I kind of thought about it and I was like, oh, well actually that was nice to hear because also I took it as like, like, oh, you don't need that much makeup.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Like if, like when you. I took it as when you asked me if you were makeup. It's like, do you wear. I thought when you were going to stuff, like I consider it like I thought you were getting ready from the hotel to do something. And I was like, yeah, you're gonna. I don't even remember what it was. But no, you weren't even wearing makeup. And I was like, yeah, it was

[Gabby]

a leading question and I didn't get that. But, but, but then I got an answer that I actually liked and that was better.

[Robbie]

Oh well, see, you never know how she comes around. You got to be very careful answering. You try and stick to the truth. Cuz the truth is all you know. But even the truth, the truth does not set you free. Sometimes it gets you caught. Sometimes it's. It's a web. Sometimes you're like, like she asked me does she wear makeup? Yes, my wife wears makeup. Like I, I don't even know where to go with that. I'd be lying.

[Gabby]

Well, I said a lot of makeup. Like as in two.

[Robbie]

And I think I said sometimes you wear a lot of makeup.

[Gabby]

Yeah, you said sometimes times because sometimes

[Robbie]

you do wear a lot of makeup because it's. You're doing this weird.

[Gabby]

Right?

[Robbie]

Cool, artistic. Sometimes you have like black going to your. Like sometimes you just. You do. You. You have an editorial thing or something

[Gabby]

and that I Can't change.

[Robbie]

No. And it's amazing.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

I don't consider either one good or bad. I. You know, I love it.

[Gabby]

All true. I think I was projecting on you, like, you know, it's probably the man thing when he's like. Like, oh, I don't like girls who wear a lot of makeup, but it's like, go yourself. I'm a girl and I'm allowed to wear makeup.

[Robbie]

And I love.

[Gabby]

Internalized that and been like, oh, well, what does my wife think now that I'm not with a man.

[Robbie]

I love when you're. When you're dressed up and make makeup and. And I. I do. And I love one more.

[Gabby]

You've never seen me. Yeah. It's so nice, and it's so freeing,

[Robbie]

and I love it. You know what? Maybe a version is, like, you know, for me. I wear long sleeves a lot. A lot?

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Okay. If I told you, do I wear long sleeves a lot? You'd be like, yeah, Now I'm wearing short sleeves today. This is unusual for me to be interested, but I.

[Gabby]

But it's so hot.

[Robbie]

Okay. Yeah, but I'm in short sleeves, but it's not like, do you care that I'm wearing short sleeves? Do you prefer me in long sleeves?

[Gabby]

Well, makeup is different because it's, like, known to change your appearance and make it better. So it's like.

[Robbie]

Or different. I don't even know if it's better. Because you're the best. Oh, every version of you is the best. They're not comparable.

[Gabby]

Well, what, you don't like my silk?

[Robbie]

What's the silk?

[Gabby]

My silk hair wrap.

[Robbie]

No, I hate that. I hate that. It literally, because you.

[Gabby]

I got a silk hair wrap because, like, I'm trying to do silk on my hair and just to protect it. It. And I've tried sleeping on a silk pillowcase. I cannot. And I have a silk.

[Robbie]

Wait, why can't you sleep on a silk pillowcase? I thought you loved that. That's done.

[Gabby]

Yeah, I liked it for a week. I just. I like our Dunes and Dunson.

[Robbie]

Deuce and Deucen. You hear this? Okay.

[Gabby]

But they did know the quality of the pillowcase. And the quill is just, like, so nicer. My cheeks. And I wear it now I wear a silk mask, so it's basically like a silk pillowcase. But I need something for my hair, so I got this.

[Robbie]

She got this, like, turban. I don't even know if it's appropriate, but I don't know. But anyway, it.

[Gabby]

That's the only Thing. Really?

[Robbie]

Yeah. You asked me if I liked it.

[Gabby]

I said no. Well, this was also what I was gonna ask you. Well, I have two questions.

[Robbie]

Yeah, but if you need it, it's fine.

[Gabby]

That I know, baby. Like she's literally the most supportive. Like she'll see me go to bed with tape all over my face and she's like, okay, this is how we're going to bed now. And it's like, yeah. And then she just like all she wants to do is feel my butt. Me too. I like a booty squeeze at night,

[Robbie]

but yeah, I have a couple of. You have so many things going on tonight. You have the mask. Well, stop. Let me.

[Gabby]

Let me ask you, okay. What do you think about my skincare regardless? Do you think it's too.

[Robbie]

I love it. Your skincare rich. Well, you love it.

[Gabby]

Well, what do you think I'm doing in there?

[Robbie]

In where?

[Gabby]

In my skincare reg.

[Robbie]

I think. Okay, so here's how I describe it to people. You know what? It does change. You know, it's back. Squee. Yeah, squee is back. So when we first started dating, she would squay, which is

[Gabby]

trans epidermal water loss. I have combination skin. I had no idea. My cheeks get so dry and I've been trying out different lotions. Different lotions. I put so many on at night and then I wake up and they're dry. If I had a silk pillowcase. I do wonder if it's better. But I. So I've been used. I'm back on the squay Squalene. She calls it the squeeze.

[Robbie]

She's got her squay. What do I think you're doing? Well, what are you really doing?

[Gabby]

Describe me. Like doing it.

[Robbie]

It like you have a very long wind down process. I kind of like our. I can't tell if I want your arm here. But then I. I can't get close. I can't tell if I.

[Caller]

I really

[Robbie]

like our together winness. Like we're in the same room. She's next to me with a big bucket of potions. She has kind of like a.

[Gabby]

It's a fake Juicy from Amazon Dot

[Robbie]

kit might be real. And she's got all these different things and she puts one on and she dabs and she waits and then she puts another one. And meanwhile I'm watching my videos. I'm doing whatever on my phone I'm.

[Gabby]

Or we'll watch a documentary, my climbing documentary.

[Robbie]

And she's in between, which you love this climbing documentary.

[Gabby]

I know. I wanted to talk about it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. The Dark Wizard. We have two more episodes. The Dark Wizard.

[Gabby]

It is a dark documentary. I don't even like, like. Well, I think. I don't know, since what's. His nuts came out free solo. I don't know if everybody got into the, like, interest of these freak climbers.

[Robbie]

Well, I'm.

[Gabby]

But, yeah, I know you are. But even as somebody who's not at all like, it is very engaging.

[Robbie]

I agree. Yeah. The Dark wizard. Hbo. Four episodes. But anyway, so. I don't know you're doing that. You're. Sometimes I help with your spray tan can.

[Gabby]

Yeah. You did a really good job.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

She's. She gets me with a tan in a can. This is her the whole time.

[Robbie]

Well, Bates. It's extremely. It's extremely aerosol. You know, aerosol is everywhere.

[Gabby]

It's like noxic. Not noxious.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Is it bad for you?

[Gabby]

No, but that's what. I know that's what you think it is.

[Robbie]

Well, I just got a radon kit because I wanna. I wanna test for radon.

[Interjector]

Why?

[Gabby]

Did you ever live in a basement?

[Robbie]

No, but I'm worried about. What's the deal with radon?

[Gabby]

Radon is in basements.

[Robbie]

Yeah, but it can penetrate your house. You have to get. You have to figure it out.

[Gabby]

They only test for it in basement.

[Robbie]

I know. So I'm gonna taste test for it.

[Gabby]

But. Have you ever lived in a basement?

[Robbie]

No.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

I've lived in a basement apartment in Montreal. But it was. It was not an unfinished basement. It was a basement apartment.

[Gabby]

I don't think that matters. But.

[Robbie]

What do you mean?

[Gabby]

I think it doesn't matter if it was finished or not.

[Robbie]

Well, I think because it's exposed dirt.

[Gabby]

I don't know.

[Robbie]

It's a gas.

[Gabby]

Okay, well, yeah, get it to us if you want, but no, same. I do really just like to wind down with you and. Yeah. It helps me get ready for bed. And I. I do feel lucky that you don't nag me about it because it can be quite a lot. I mean, I. I do. They all do something. They're really ingredients and they have to dry in between. And it's like. It's like a hobby. I don't.

[Robbie]

It really is a hobby.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

But. Yeah. I've never even considered nagging about it or anything. Like, when I see you doing your thing, I'm like, oh, she's doing that. And I just. She's doing everything next to me. I don't. When we kiss in between.

[Gabby]

Yeah. Sometimes I have a face. Mask on.

[Robbie]

Yeah, we still kiss, so I don't know. It's not the same routine every night. I like, exactly. You have the face mask. Sometimes you have to do a 10. Sometimes you have to do a shower and a. This. This. Sometimes you have to do. I don't even know. I. I like, there's so many different things. It would be literally, this bucket is like this. With different things.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And each one is so small. And to keep. To keep. Like, it's almost like she's a personal pharmacist for herself.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah. No, it's chemistry. Because you have to know what can be layered on top of each other. What can be used during the day, what can be used during the night. And then you switch off things used during the day and during the night.

[Robbie]

So the amount of little boxes we get. Like, I feel like one of my jobs is taking out, obviously the recycling and whatever, but we have. It's like you could never take it out fast enough.

[Gabby]

What do you think about my weed smoking habits?

[Robbie]

Nothing. I don't think anything of it. Do your thing.

[Gabby]

See you guys. Like, I got the perfect one.

[Robbie]

Oh, I just.

[Gabby]

I got the perfect.

[Robbie]

No, if you thought. If you thought. First of all, I think. I don't. I don't think it's the worst thing to unwind at night with it. Listen, I wouldn't be Scarilla's mother over there on the documentary. What was her name?

[Gabby]

Oh, I didn't finish.

[Robbie]

Mackenzie. Her parents were encouraging her. First of all, she was underage and smoking in this. I think that is unacceptable. I think it was a problem for her. And I think her parents should have been parents, you know, in that case. And not encouraged it. Your parents should always discourage you from doing things once you're a grown up. And you're especially grown up to Gabby's extent, where she's a really capable grownup and. And an ICU nurse and. And a businesswoman. And.

[Gabby]

And I never. Not saying this is like.

[Robbie]

And a novelist. Honestly, I don't know. People know. Well, I just trust you completely with what to do with. With your life. You're not impaired as a young person.

[Gabby]

No, I don't drive when I'm high.

[Caller]

No.

[Robbie]

But I'm just saying you're not like somebody who. You're not a child.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

Like, we're at this point, we're choosing responsible people to be with.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And. And you don't give me a hard time with anything either. We just don't give each other a hard time. Except. Except for the little.

[Gabby]

Weren't we met the other day, we were saying, like. Like, I was in our bedroom doing something. I don't know, like writing or. And you know, or unpacking or doing something. And Robbie's so sweet. I like to. Not that you guys. Well, I do sound so pretentious, and I'm pretending like I don't like it, but I love it. But I like to listen to classical music when I write. And.

[Interjector]

No.

[Gabby]

And I'm like, does it bother you? Or. I'm like, do you mind if I put classical on, like, while you pack? And she's always like, no, but we were in two separate rooms. You're. You were watching your podcast youtubes on the TV in the living room, and you were like, oh, is it okay that I'm over here? I'm like, oh, my God, of course. And I felt like. It felt really good for you to hear that because you told me it did.

[Robbie]

Well, I used to get in trouble if I watch something. I don't know. I had an ex who didn't like that I didn't. That I. That I. That I like different stuff sometimes. Like, I love watching your housewives with you and all the stuff.

[Gabby]

We watch Rhode island together.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Yeah, I like doing that.

[Gabby]

But then it's an hour a week.

[Robbie]

No, it's great. And you're watching the climbing document.

[Gabby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Interjector]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

But she would take it personal if I, like, followed a podcast or something.

[Gabby]

Yeah, you even said that the other. Oh. With the climbing doc. You're like, oh, if we're gonna watch it, we have to watch it from the beginning. I'm like, no, no, it's fine. Because I was in and out again. You see how much I write. The laptop was on.

[Robbie]

She's writing. This is. Guys, I actually think that you. This is actually crazy. I actually think that you may be like. You feel like, oh, Gabby's impressive. She's worn so many things. I see. Nurse. The. The. The. The. The. Whatever. The reality star of it all. The.

[Caller]

The.

[Robbie]

That now acting like. Which is going to be crazy. Crazy. But the novelist of you, she's, like, truly a writer. Like, I now joke. I watch you writing all the time, and I consider myself a writer. I'm not a writer, babe. No, compared to. Because so many writers, they tell you they're a writer and you go, oh, send me a sample. They have nothing to say. They never wrote. She writes every day, and it's really good. We can't talk about this. This. Oh, yeah, ghost thing.

[Gabby]

What Ghost thing.

[Robbie]

Remember? They want. They. At first. Before Gabby got her book. Deal.

[Caller]

Deal.

[Robbie]

And you can cut everything.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah.

[Robbie]

They were like, oh, we're putting this ghostwriter. This ghostwriter.

[Gabby]

Oh, no, we can talk about this.

[Robbie]

Which, like, show me the stories. I'm looking at these stories or your essays. Well, it was actually really good.

[Gabby]

Well, yes, but also to everyone's this. I started writing my proposal three years ago.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

I didn't know what I was getting into.

[Robbie]

That's fine.

[Gabby]

The people who were guiding me were like, yeah, get a ghostwriter for the proposal. So I. And for the proposal, I wrote three sample essays. Ways. Way too much work, but whatever. Also, that was, like, two years ago.

[Robbie]

It was crazy.

[Gabby]

I didn't have anything excellent.

[Robbie]

Okay. So.

[Gabby]

And if you think they were excellent back then.

[Robbie]

No, your writing has just taken. So that's the thing. It's like, the writing is. And I was like, ghostwriter is like, for an incapacitated Britney Spears. No offense. And we wish you well. Okay.

[Gabby]

Or people who don't have the time.

[Robbie]

Like, you know what I mean?

[Gabby]

It's like.

[Robbie]

Or not a biography. Somebody who knows how to write. And you see her even on this podcast. Somebody asked me the other day, they said, oh, do you help with the podcast? I don't do. For the podcast.

[Caller]

What?

[Robbie]

Yeah. They're like, do you guys help it? I'm like, no, no.

[Interjector]

She.

[Robbie]

She's. She. This is all her.

[Gabby]

But also, it's like, you're so busy with your own stuff.

[Robbie]

Thank you so much.

[Gabby]

We have our own endeavors. I think there is. There does have to come a point which, like, I think we kind of learned early on where we can only lean on each other, of course, for advice and stuff, but actually using each other in physically our own projects is like, no, I gotta handle this on my own. You handle yours.

[Robbie]

She knows what she's like, yeah, dip into your podcast.

[Gabby]

I'm way more tech savvy than you.

[Robbie]

I don't know how to do anything here. Okay. And I'm boiling hot.

[Gabby]

But she's the best guest ever.

[Robbie]

Thank you. But we do love. Yeah, we love, like, working with each other.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Having our careers next to each other. And it's just like, she's always. I always feel like you're in the office next door. Like, that's how it feels like our life is. It's like we have, like. Like we share an office.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

It's the best. Like. Like. Like if you were two lawyers renting a space. Somebody's on this side. Oh, the Other lawyer. He rents the other space there. That's.

[Gabby]

That feels like. I know that feels a little bit like. Like.

[Robbie]

But we're always in the doorway talking to each other.

[Gabby]

Yes. We always check in on each other. We're always like, what do you need? What do you want? I did get. Well, Robbie likes to drink tea, so every afternoon. Yeah. So I got tea sets for us. So I'm like, we could have tea time every afternoon. She doesn't like drinking out of tiny cup.

[Robbie]

It's too small. I like a big yeti for my tea. I like a big.

[Gabby]

Yeah, but it would. And we do. We. I feel like we have. Have, like, well, mornings we have so much.

[Robbie]

But also, here's the thing. Even though if it's not separate, like, we don't have physically separate offices, we have one outfit.

[Gabby]

I just could, like, be around you all the time.

[Robbie]

Like, we're in the same room and it feels like that. That she has the office next door. Because in our computers we have different works going on. But I could always be like, hey, look at this. Or whatever. And you're always like, hey, look at this. Or whatever.

[Gabby]

Yeah. The best part, I love being involved and, like. And you asking for any kind of, like, opinion of mine makes me feel so good because I'm like, oh, my God. She trusts my opinion.

[Robbie]

I really do.

[Gabby]

Except for the stool.

[Robbie]

The stool.

[Gabby]

And that's okay. And I'm over it. And it was never going to be personal. It was never personal.

[Robbie]

Babe, why did we have to. What was with the housewives? You said there was something to do with them.

[Gabby]

Oh, yeah. Well, we. It's a. It's a discussion. The Rosie versus Kelsey.

[Robbie]

Okay, now I'm. I'm notoriously bad at the names.

[Gabby]

Yes.

[Robbie]

So who are the names? Names.

[Gabby]

So. Oh, should I show you a picture?

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Gabby]

I mean, everyone does look alike on this season. I know, but it's. It's. Honestly, it's so nice right now.

[Robbie]

Let me see.

[Caller]

Lovely.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Robbie]

This is better.

[Gabby]

This is.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

Rosie.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gabby]

I know her.

[Robbie]

I know I know her. I love her. I actually love her.

[Gabby]

Yeah. You're team Rosie.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

And this is Kim. Kelsey.

[Robbie]

It's interesting that, that. Okay. And Kelsey's the one who came in to her house.

[Gabby]

Right.

[Robbie]

Okay, I have to say something.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And Kelsey is the one with the boyfriend paying everything, who's not her boyfriend anymore, Right?

[Gabby]

Correct.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Gabby]

She's in it.

[Robbie]

Here's. Okay. So Kelsey is the one who was the weather girl.

[Gabby]

No, that is Rosie.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

And Then which, if you guys haven't seen this clip on Tik Tok of Rosie working IRL as her job as a weather girl, it is incredible, and I feel like it just gives you insight to her as a person and her relationship with Corky Frank Sinatra.

[Robbie]

Okay, so Kelsey is the other one.

[Gabby]

Yes. Kelsey is the one who came to

[Robbie]

her house with the siren.

[Gabby]

Yes. Okay. Yes.

[Robbie]

Here's the whole thing. And I think my people might be surprised. Surprise, surprise. Robbie's a walking contradiction. Robbie is a comedian herself. I'm wrong all the time. Time. Okay. That said, I can see where that joke went wrong, because I have jokes go wrong all the time. I think that Kelsey, the one who came with the sirens, it wasn't hitting. Yeah, the joke wasn't hitting. Okay, fine. Move on. Move forward.

[Gabby]

She did try. She didn't apologize, but she did try. Because I watched it again. She did try and loosely diffuse the situation, but she didn't do it in a good way. And I don't think Rosie. I think Rosie let her in on the defense. Ready to fight?

[Robbie]

No.

[Gabby]

Well, here's the thing, and I think that's fine.

[Robbie]

Can I finish the opinion?

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

So she goes to the house. Okay. It's very trepidatious. It wasn't like a welcoming come to the house. It was already like something was brewing before because she was making a joke about the size of her house or the size of her pool or something.

[Gabby]

And they had made up. I don't know if you saw that.

[Robbie]

So, yeah, they made up, but it was still pretty touch and go.

[Gabby]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Was the sense I got from it.

[Gabby]

And this was their first time hanging out one on one afternoon.

[Robbie]

It's not like it. It's not like me at a comedy show. Okay. We have comedy. Whatever. Somebody says something or a comedian says something that somebody doesn't like. That's kind of the avenue for that. Okay. This is. People aren't coming for comedy necessarily. Yeah. Okay. It's not this thing. It's somebody's house. And it's been touch and go because of comments you've been making.

[Gabby]

Yes.

[Robbie]

So she comes in there, there. It doesn't hit. I thought the other girl was very vulnerable to let her in her house and to do it. And she was actually wanting a friendship. So I think it was just missed there. And I think also her comments about her house or whatever. I thought that Rosie said it good. Yes. Did they get hysterical and whatever?

[Interjector]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

And they just can't talk.

[Robbie]

But I think, yeah, I think that that aside, I Think Rosie was like, where's your house?

[Gabby]

I think that if you're provoked, I think it was valid. And that's what we were all thinking. And Rosie just said it to her

[Robbie]

face because don't catch st. What's that saying?

[Gabby]

From a glass house.

[Robbie]

From a glass house. So she was casting stones from a glass house.

[Gabby]

Yes. And so that's what you're gonna get.

[Robbie]

That's what you're gonna get because it's like, where's your house?

[Gabby]

Literally.

[Robbie]

Her husband, meanwhile, is out there.

[Gabby]

Your job now. I don't think Rosie's still a weather girl. I forget what she does.

[Robbie]

It doesn't matter. But her husband loves her and her husband is working like a dog. You see him, he's like shoveling. I think the whole time this is happening, this dude is shoveling rubble. He's getting.

[Interjector]

He.

[Robbie]

He. You know, he's. All of us. He's in the back trying to make it good, you know? So I don't know. I think to put down somebody's. If you're going to put down somebody's livelihood of their house or whatever, you better come correct. You better come with everything in order.

[Gabby]

I think it was too early to try and make a joke like that.

[Robbie]

And it was too early. And then she does it again with the dinner. She wears that sachet.

[Gabby]

No, that was the opposite. Yes. Well, now they're fighting. So now that's a housewives kind of.

[Robbie]

What's with the sash? That said what?

[Gabby]

That's what. That's what housewives do. Is actually feels kind of like bachelor. Is they, like wear it with pride. Like they're reclaiming like, oh, you called me a slam pig. Now I'm gonna, you know, wear this

[Robbie]

like to kept doing it.

[Gabby]

Well, now they're fighting. Now they're fighting. They never made up. Well, they made up once and they had a big blowout and now they're continuing to blow out. I think slam pig is an amazing term. I gotta write it down.

[Robbie]

What is it for?

[Gabby]

To go in my book.

[Robbie]

What does it mean?

[Gabby]

It means like a slut

[Interjector]

or.

[Gabby]

No, I think a slam pig is somebody who. For money.

[Robbie]

But it's like it was reading Insecure from the Skeleton. And the thing is, is I like Kelsey. Like, I don't know that Rose same.

[Gabby]

I think she can be a bit of a bully.

[Robbie]

Like, it was bully.

[Gabby]

Yes. In the beginning, she. Because yeah. She would not let off of. Of the square footage thing of Rosie. And like, yeah, we can not saying Rosie's line. It's like, we've been around people you can smell, you're like, I don't believe them for a fucking second. But she was so mean about it and kept going in and kept going in and like.

[Robbie]

Rosie, what's the square footage thing?

[Gabby]

The square footage thing is that it's 5,000 now, square feet. And they're making it to 8,000 in February now. I don't know what month they're filming.

[Robbie]

It's unbelievable. That house could be 5,000 easily. That upstairs, that downstairs. And then it looked like they had a lot of space in the back.

[Gabby]

I mean, it's not square feet. That's not my circus. It's not. My monkey is the thing. But also, I would. I don't know. I'm sometimes a judgy, but I wouldn't take it that far, and I would mostly keep it to myself.

[Robbie]

Think about 2,000 square feet.

[Gabby]

Right.

[Robbie]

Like, I. I don't think.

[Gabby]

Which is a lot.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

2,000 square feet is what I'm saying.

[Robbie]

These people live in big homes.

[Gabby]

Well, that's. That's in the middle. Housewives. This is. This is the newer gen. It's really not like that anymore. See, See me? I'm kicking the horse while she's down.

[Robbie]

Okay. And then the other drama on that show.

[Gabby]

This is bad.

[Robbie]

Was the thing with the. With the. With.

[Gabby]

With the homeless. Yeah. She will not let up. I cannot.

[Robbie]

She's really unbearable.

[Gabby]

If we don't move on one from this fight, like, I'm gonna have to fast forward. I saw something the other day that she's doubling down online.

[Robbie]

What's her name?

[Gabby]

Liz was calling Alicia.

[Robbie]

Who was the one who was homeless?

[Gabby]

Alicia.

[Robbie]

Liz was the crazy eyes, I assume. I think she's on meth or something.

[Gabby]

She's on something, clearly. But this is how Housewives goes.

[Interjector]

No, no.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Robbie]

It is really something.

[Gabby]

They're always. There's always. They're on something. Their meds aren't mixing. Yeah. And this is her season.

[Interjector]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

No, she might be on. On. On cocaine. I don't know. What. What do you think?

[Gabby]

She could be literally on hgh, testosterone. Her muscles are busting out.

[Robbie]

That's what I want to be on after. J. G. I'm telling you now, that. That one. First of all, she was homeless.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

So, like, homeless doesn't just mean. She said, okay, you weren't homeless living on skid row. But I think it's pretty scary as a kid if your father loses your home.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Your father. For home.

[Gabby]

When she was a couch.

[Robbie]

She's sleeping in an aunt's house. And this right. As a kid. You don't have your house.

[Gabby]

No. And couch surfing is homeless. And the whole scene where she's surrounded by all of her mom and aunts and all the women, they were like, crazy. You were homeless.

[Robbie]

Like, homeless. Like she had an hour definition of homeless. Which is fine. Fine. She was trying to say that, but she should have immediately said, oh, I'm sorry. I think when I think homeless, I think that. But. But I. I see what. I completely empathize that. That, yeah, you were homeless. And. And it can look different ways. Whatever it is, she handled it. She really mishandled the wrong. And. And you said you thought of me. I mean, I never really thought myself homeless, but we were homeless. We. When. When we left and we went to live with my great uncle Eddie, my mother and her 10 kids, me and my nine siblings. Yeah, we were homeless.

[Gabby]

There was two bedrooms.

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

But I moved a roof over your head. You had no heat.

[Robbie]

No, we had heat, love. It was just bad. And we had to. It was. We had.

[Gabby]

Well, you were freezing.

[Robbie]

We were freezing.

[Gabby]

It was. It was Montreal.

[Robbie]

It was Montreal. So. So the windows are thin. You have to cover them with Saran Wrap and stuff. But we did have heat. But I'm just saying.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

Moving into my grand uncle's house is a homeless and a wife way. Yes. Somebody took us in, but it wasn't our home.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

And we weren't paying rent. He was.

[Gabby]

And it all kind of happened, thank God, when she was like, you know, and suddenly I was left. My thing is, Liz is whatever saying she wasn't homeless. She says in an interview it's under the pretext of protecting Alicia's family. What are you talking about?

[Robbie]

That was a great point.

[Gabby]

All of Alicia's family has her back.

[Robbie]

Back.

[Gabby]

So why are you saying this? What is actually the reason why you're being like that?

[Robbie]

She can't protect her own family. First of all, she's in her family. She's speaking to her about herself, which is her family about.

[Gabby]

Yes. Either way. And two, her family's on camera corroborating it.

[Robbie]

So this girl is crying and sad, wants you to see her, and wants your attention, validation, and you're just further laughing, scoffing at her. Well, I said sorry. First of all. Whenever you're saying I said sorry, first of all, just don't say sorry.

[Gabby]

Yeah, right.

[Robbie]

Just don't say sorry. If. If you're not ready to say sorry

[Gabby]

and you don't believe you're sorry, she's like, I said sorry 12 times. It's like, yeah, but you never meant it.

[Robbie]

Yeah. If you mean sorry and you want to say sorry, say sorry. If you don't, don't say anything.

[Gabby]

Don't say, I said sorry and she's not sorry.

[Robbie]

Valid.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

No, she's not sorry. So then to say, like. Like, you could not be sorry, sorry, but own that. Own that.

[Gabby]

It's really crazy. I don't know where her loyalties lie or why, but Alicia did say in an interview she was like, liz is abusive. And you could see the weight lift off her shoulders. She's like. That felt good to say because, you know, they've been friends for so long and we've all kind of had an older friend who pins you down and spits in your mouth and sucks it up and then does it again and has. We have a bully in our lives, and that is Liz to Alicia. And I think Liz is jealous of Alicia.

[Robbie]

Me, too.

[Gabby]

Because she's beautiful.

[Robbie]

Yeah, she has.

[Gabby]

And I know she's not, like, married, but she's in a happy relationship. She has an amazing kid and she's light.

[Robbie]

She.

[Gabby]

She has a lightness to her. Liz has, like, a severe heaviness. Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

And I think so.

[Interjector]

Really?

[Robbie]

And said smoking in the, like, the way that she was just sitting there smoking outside.

[Gabby]

Oh, Liz.

[Interjector]

What?

[Gabby]

Did we see her? Oh, yes.

[Robbie]

She was like, by the. The exit door.

[Gabby]

Yeah, this. Somebody said.

[Robbie]

Yeah, that's her.

[Gabby]

Yeah. On Reddit, said someone compared to. To Zuma from Emperor's.

[Robbie]

No, she. She really has to get it together. Both of these bullies have an insecurity.

[Gabby]

That's all.

[Robbie]

That's what's going on.

[Gabby]

What a bully is.

[Robbie]

That's what's going on.

[Gabby]

The one who went into the. Somebody needs to take Liz down. But she's such a. That it's like she thinks she won't let anybody. But she'll be left without friends.

[Robbie]

Babe, drugs is going to get to her first. Nobody needs to take her down. She's going to take herself down with all these drugs.

[Gabby]

I don't know. Maybe. But also, I sat down. It's like we were all, all the, all the girly weed heads were riding for her in the beginning. We're like, oh, my God, this is

[Robbie]

the representation we need.

[Gabby]

No, but, babe, you're not listening. She owns. She owns a dispensary. She's, you know, very stylish. She does everything. We're like, oh, this literally is the representation we need. We haven't Seen someone like this on TV before. And then she stabs us in our back y. With our own. What kind of something sharp do you use with.

[Robbie]

With our own dagger.

[Gabby]

With our own deck. With our own bong.

[Robbie]

But here's the whole thing. Because she wasn't using the bong. She's moved on. She's somewhere else.

[Gabby]

Babe. She's. She's on those.

[Robbie]

She's not just with weed. Yeah, exactly.

[Gabby]

No, she's on. She's moved on those gray market peptides and they're making her eyes bulge out of her head and act cuckoo crazy.

[Robbie]

She is not at your mom. She's not your mom and pop's weed shop. Okay, she's somewhere else.

[Gabby]

But I want some of that. Okay? We've been going for an hour and 15 minutes.

[Robbie]

Oh, I thought you wanted to take a call.

[Gabby]

Oh, do. Yes, I have actually. I have some good ones.

[Robbie]

And then we got a pack skis.

[Gabby]

But this one, this show is sponsored by better half Help. And you know what? I just got done with therapy. I just walked in the door because I have too much time to think these days. I'm off one job, I don't know when the next one's coming. And it's making me worry. It's making me worry about the future. So if you've been feeling overwhelmed, stuck, anxious or unsure, that's okay. Those feelings are more common than we think. I have them. You have them. We have them. Them. May is mental health awareness month. A good reminder, you do not have to go through those feelings alone. BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform. Just take a short questionnaire to identify your needs and preferences. And Better Help will handle the initial therapist matching work for you. You don't have to be on this journey alone. Find support and have someone with you in therapy. Sign up and get 10% off at BetterHelp. Help.com Wendy that's better. HP.com Wendy.

[Robbie]

Now, last time you said Luna forgot to cut some things as usual. Well, he makes sure.

[Gabby]

No, he. He hasn't done that in a while.

[Robbie]

Okay, Luna, every time we. We mention go through with a fine too.

[Gabby]

Oh, please. I don't. I don't know when I said that. Luna, I'm sorry. You've been really good lately. Well, okay, okay, hold on.

[Robbie]

You want to hear.

[Caller]

Hi, Gabby.

[Gabby]

Oh, hold on.

[Caller]

I'm a first time caller.

[Gabby]

Wait, I have. I have to start over. I know. It's so good.

[Robbie]

I know. So, babe, what happened to it?

[Gabby]

No, I have to let it start. All Over. Cuz there's no way of going back.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Where did you get this?

[Gabby]

What do you mean?

[Robbie]

Just go to the beginning like that.

[Gabby]

You can't go like. Like that. You. I've been working this for a long time. You literally can't. No, you have to let it play.

[Robbie]

Oh my God.

[Interjector]

I know.

[Robbie]

Got a minute here? Sounds like a gay guy now.

[Gabby]

Well, we got to pack. We have our own snorkels.

[Robbie]

We have our binoculars and the snore. Keeping the snorkelers. They break the rule that I try. You know when you read those condos and everything, you're like, you know, or there's like the 20 rule. Like if something. If you haven't used something in a year and it's under $20, you don't have to keep it. Just in case. Right? Like whatever.

[Gabby]

First of all, snorkelers is so funny and cute.

[Robbie]

So. But you know what? The snorkels were under that. Because they're from Amazon.

[Gabby]

But they match.

[Robbie]

But. And we use them two years ago. But they do bring me joy.

[Gabby]

No, and you can use them. I love them. Because we can use them whenever we want.

[Robbie]

Have to buy them. Okay, let's.

[Gabby]

Okay. Okay.

[Robbie]

Okay. We're ready. But make sure you got it. Good.

[Caller]

Thank you. Okay.

[Interjector]

Okay.

[Robbie]

Okay.

[Gabby]

Ready?

[Robbie]

Yes, I'm ready. Go ahead.

[Caller]

Hi Gabby, this is cj. I'm a first time caller, longtime listener, former lesbian, current trans guy. Did you get all that? So basically I was wondering if you had any thoughts on like dating as a trans guy. As a lesbian. I'll just be blunt. I had game. I kind of knew what I was doing in the realm of dating. I've been single for quite a while. I ended up pretty toxic long term relationship towards the beginning of my HRT time. And I'm really not in a rush as you can see. To get back out there, I'm not trying to dig just a date. I do live in a pretty rural college town while I work on my PhD. Yeah, I find that not a lot really carries over from the lesbian playbook. Although I do think that some things do and can. But there are new mental blocks. I am no stranger to how shitty men can be. I even put off becoming one, you could say. But anyways, yeah, I was just wondering what kind of thoughts or advice or reflections at all you may have. Have for a pretty shy, well meaning trans guy who would like to date again someday. Love the pod. Thank you. Bye.

[Gabby]

Can I say something really quick? You sound amazing and smart and hot. Honestly hot. And cute. Like just by. And no, he's getting his PhD. Like, the dating world is so hard, but just by, by this, like, he just sounds amazing. Would you say?

[Robbie]

Yeah, you know what? I, you know, I had, I had a lot of, you know, I, I think, I think dating. Just treat it like dating. Like you're like, dating any, like, just, I don't know, just don't put such an emphasis. Just treat it like dating. And don't necessarily think trans dating. Obviously, be upfront about your experiences and how you identify and what's important to you and what off the bat. And then once you get those things, just treat it regular, whatever that means for you. It maybe isn't advice. I really don't know.

[Gabby]

Well, and it's hard because wherever he is getting his PhD is rural. So it's like, you know, we don't know how many. It sounds like there's one sexual orientation in the rural place.

[Interjector]

Place.

[Gabby]

And that's sodomy with.

[Robbie]

Oh, I mean, maybe he's into sodomy.

[Gabby]

No, not. By the way, a lot of guys

[Robbie]

who take tea and you didn't specify who you were trying to date, and that's actually helpful. You're trying to date girls or guys?

[Gabby]

No, he, I, he's trying to date girls.

[Robbie]

But we don't know when he was a lesbian dated girls. A lot of guys take tea and then they, you know.

[Gabby]

No, but also he was like, I understand the, the state of men today, which is why I, I, I put off becoming one. I don't think that really goes for gay men. Right. But I think you're great. And the circumstances. I love that he said, the location I feel like are.

[Robbie]

Well, I love that he said, like, I'm obviously not rushing to date. Like, as if we know that. He's like, I'm obviously, like, I'm obviously like, I don't, like, need to date today. It's like, we don't. Bro, we don't know you. Why would we know that? So, well, here's the thing. The thing is you called into gab to ask. You want to want to date. Be upfront with that to begin with. Don't say, I'm obviously not. Yes, you do. You want to date. Be vulnerable, Be uneasy. Be, be embarrassed. It's embarrassing. You want a date. You want a girl. Welcome to everybody's life. So be honest. Be honest with yourself. Be honest with the people that you're with and just treat it like dating. And that's.

[Gabby]

And if you have, if you had game as A lesbian, then you definitely have game. Now, that game did not go anywhere.

[Robbie]

No. Unless you went to somewhere. Just be true to yourself. Yeah. You want to. First of all, the first thing is be upfront with us and be. If you're going to be upfront with us, be upfront with. With. With the person you're going out with. Okay. Yeah. You do want a date. You called in, ran, first of all, and then at the end it goes, I'm a shy. You're not shy. You called into the show again. You're not that shy. People are shy.

[Gabby]

Very confident.

[Robbie]

Stop putting these. These limitations up. Hey, you're factually not shy. You called into the show.

[Gabby]

Well, sure, maybe we don't. We don't know.

[Robbie]

But you're not the shyest person that ever was, so you can probably shed some of that. And the other thing is saying you don't want to date. Start owning it. You do want to date. Be intentional. If you want to be intentional about it.

[Gabby]

Yeah. Maybe it was hypothetical, so maybe you

[Robbie]

needed that to know. Oh, maybe you'll be better at dating if you really want to date. Right. So I think just. Just be as you as possible. I think I hear a lot of trans guys who take our HRT or, you know, it is a very selfish time when you're starting to transition, and I hear of a. Of lot. A lot of toxicity in that time. So I don't think you're unique in that. Where you were going through your transition and the. And the partnership didn't last through that because you're obviously going through. Well, we don't know whose fault it is exactly. We don't know who. If it was her fault, his fault. But we know that you're going through very big personal changes when you're going on hrt. So not a. You know, there's a lot. There's a lot there. So that's all sounds normal and sounds like stuff I've heard before, obviously, in this niche. Community. Community. But I would say be honest with yourself first. You want a date. Maybe you're not all that shy. Maybe the swag is still there and just be up front and still there.

[Gabby]

Love that baby. Should we do one more?

[Robbie]

Yeah.

[Gabby]

Okay.

[Interjector]

Hi, Gabby. I need some advice. I left. Well, I divorced my husband. I left and divorced him because I realized I was gay. And also he was a piece of. But that's not what I need advice on. Took care of that problem. The problem. Well, it's not a problem. It is kind of a problem, so. Right. Right. After I divorced my husband, I did meet a girl. Well, a woman really. And she's awesome and amazing and everything I would have ever wanted. I feel like, I mean, she has her little flaws, her little quirks. Don't we, y'? All? But the problem is I can't help but feel like I want to have a hoe face. And I didn't really get to because I met her like right off the bat and she is monogamous. I mean, I am too, but like, I kind of want to have a hoe phase and I feel like this is my last chance cuz I am not getting any younger. And I want to be fun, be at the bars, at the clubs, meeting all the ladies, being free. But I also don't want to lose this amazing person that I met who makes me feel amazing. So like, what the fuck do I do? I need help, please.

[Robbie]

What do you think, babe?

[Gabby]

Well, I wouldn't. I think, I think this one's hard because. Because do lesbians. How easy is a whole phase for lesbians? Are we really, you know, getting together this and that and getting our whole face satiated or are we going to be waiting around for a while? Will we u haul with this one? U haul with that one? Will a lesbian even be at the club? I think if the whole phase is for you and you just want to like go out, have fun with your friends and be single, yes. But I don't know if you're looking for girls, which, like, I'm asking you, I'm asking because you would know that, like, if, you know, if, if truly, what is the equivalent for a whole face for lesbians?

[Robbie]

I think it's an age thing for. I think she mentioned her age and that was the thing. If you're young, you're in your 20s, and you're whole facing, there's a lot of girls at the club or whatever you're talking about, or the bars or the events or the gallery opening.

[Gabby]

I was just thinking, literally, I think that that's fine.

[Robbie]

Okay. Okay. But I do think, yeah, you got to be careful in a whole phase because you never know when you're going to fall in love and you never know when, when, when your plans change. So you might be at an age where, you know, I don't know, I. I can't make the decision for you. She should be very aware that you just got out of a divorce and stuff and she should have her own. She should have no problem taking it slow and steady and being somewhat open or at least on Your end, you're being open. And. And if she. If she only has feelings for you, then she can continue only having feelings for you.

[Gabby]

You.

[Robbie]

If you still only have feelings for her, then that's fine, but you still want to hook up. You don't need to do anything you don't want to do anymore. And you really should not be doing that anymore. As far as the whole phase, I think Gab could be right that when you're going out, who's really out there? Unless you want, by the way, a girl 10 years younger, whatever you're doing. I don't know. You know, sure, but I don't know. But also you.

[Gabby]

You understand the risk of losing this girl who you find is, you know, who you really like.

[Robbie]

You can use somebody. No, I think someone.

[Gabby]

What if somebody. If somebody was like, which I understand, just getting out, divorce. I don't know how long you guys have been together, been talking. Sounds like you're really interested in each other. If someone was like, which, it's good to be honest, but if someone was like, I'm really into you. I just need to be single for a while because I just got outdoors. I'm like, perfect. Bad timing. I'm going to open myself up to somebody else. I'm not going to wait around for something that might not ever come right.

[Robbie]

But maybe they'll open themselves to someone else and they're still thinking about you.

[Gabby]

Maybe, but that's a big. That's a big risk.

[Robbie]

You did. It is a big risk, but I don't think she was yours to lose. Like, there's so much that I don't, you know, like, think about it. You just got out of your divorce. You met somebody. You're gonna meet somebody again. If you need.

[Gabby]

Right.

[Robbie]

But.

[Gabby]

But no, that's what I'm saying. It's like, it sounds like she's in a predicament because she does actually really like this girl.

[Robbie]

I understand.

[Gabby]

If she didn't really like her, then it'd be a no brainer.

[Robbie]

I get it. But. But, you know, but you're also. Yeah, you can also take your time. You took your time with me. I take your time.

[Gabby]

But what if I was like, oh, you know what? I need to actually, like, go out, spread my wings.

[Robbie]

I don't know. You were kind of going out. I had no idea what you were doing.

[Gabby]

I was not kind of going out.

[Robbie]

I don't know.

[Gabby]

We were boyfriend, girlfriend, like one and a half weeks down.

[Robbie]

I didn't know what she was doing.

[Gabby]

That is not True. Okay. I'm about to piss.

[Robbie]

Okay. Love, everybody.

[Gabby]

Thank you guys for helping me with.

[Robbie]

You know, we're going on summer break, but I will be on tour. I'm still blown away. It's so nice to be back with you. We've only been back a few days, but with my first theater tour and selling that out, I've added 15 dates. A lot of those are sold out. But we did add three shows actually in Charleston already.

[Gabby]

Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

I was just there. But we didn't add the show in Charleston. But Charleston's on set sale. But we added Chicago in Albany and one other place. But I know there's tickets.

[Gabby]

We'll check your Instagram. Also, we. We weren't able to say. I mean, maybe if. If I'm allowed to. But you've been obviously crushing dude in your first theater tour that you helped your brother.

[Robbie]

No.

[Gabby]

Buy a home.

[Robbie]

Ah, yeah. My family. So nice to be.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

You know what? This is. This is such a large conversation because.

[Gabby]

Yes.

[Robbie]

Yeah, this is a large conversation. I mean, my brother also helps my other brother who has. We all help each other. I mean, my family, you know, you grow up like that. You grow up like a pack and whoever has throws it in the middle and we try and figure it out. You know, it bothers me about the system already because we pay 50 in taxes and then we have to split the 50 we left. You know, then I give out. It's like, I wish we didn't have to be in such. I wish everybody could have their meal because we've been contributing. But of course, that money goes to. To, you know, this administration's, you know, crooks, and it went to the last administration's crooks and whatever. And it doesn't actually go to help people. So you have to take what. Whatever remaining income you have and. And spread that. So it's kind of like double dipping. But my family always helps each other.

[Gabby]

I'm just so proud of you.

[Robbie]

Okay, well, anyway, and we did it together, my brother and I. Thank you. We really together. It was like a pitch in.

[Gabby]

Yeah. Everybody.

[Robbie]

It was amazing. And all on the phone.

[Gabby]

Finally seeing that happen to somebody like you. You hear of these amazing things and like, oh, so and so. Which, yes, it was a combined effort, but, like, you know, it's just to watch it actually happen to someone so close to me who was able to do that to their family is like, whoa.

[Robbie]

And he calls you toots.

[Gabby]

He calls me tuts.

[Robbie]

He's the best.

[Gabby]

And you guys, well, it's Like, I don't. My family, you know, maybe my mom would need it, but it's like I don't like her. So still.

[Robbie]

Yeah. Endless. And, you know, my brother and I, we haven't always agreed or whatever, but I don't think anyone should live in squalor. And if I'm. And he's also not the kind of person to ask or it's like, it's like, you know, it is pulling teeth to even help my family to some extent because he's not the kind of person to necessarily do that. So.

[Gabby]

Yeah.

[Robbie]

But. But anyway, we should, we should talk more at length on that. Not when we have to pee. Okay, so maybe cut this one ascended the to me.

[Gabby]

Oh, my God.

[Robbie]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm Robbie Hoffman on.

[Gabby]

Thank you guys.

[Robbie]

And this is my wife, Gabby. Wendy, and the love of my life. And I love her. We have to pack and go to Hawaii. Bab. Come on. Hey, everybody. Ted Danson here to tell you about my podcast with my longtime friend and sometimes co host Woody Harrelson. It's called where everybody knows your name. And we're back for another season.

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[Robbie]

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