
This episode covers chapter 42 and she is thiccccc with events and questionable choices!! Even though Bryce is FAILING on the gal pal front, she is KILLIN it with the angel kiki she is having with Celestina! HOORAY SHE FREED HUNT'S LOINS but he ain't the only thing freed in this chapter! Ithan meets the poor freed mystic and gets some idears for them big astronomer SPRITE PRISON rings. Tharion is gettin his bubble busted by the River Queen as per usual while Ruhn is lookin to get HIS bubble busted out on the brain bridge but in a VERY different way. We have picked a peck of pippa peppers, but where's the mech(suits) of pippa peppers Natalie and Jackie picked?? Please read up until Chapter 45 for next week!!! These Deep Dives are based on novels by Sarah J Maas. Intro music by Ryan Connor. Cover art by Jeff Nitzberg. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to ad-free new episodes.
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Natalie Jean
O. That's how I feel right now.
Jackie Zabrowski
River queen noise.
Natalie Jean
I think it's more. I'm. I'm one of the Halloween parties I'm going to. I'm going as Sally, who is the final girl from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. She's, like, technically considered the original final girl. And.
Jackie Zabrowski
And this is what you're going to wear because I don't think she wore a mermaid costume.
Natalie Jean
Her as a mermaid.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, you're going to be her as a mermaid. It's actually going to be easy to describe to everybody all night. Like, remember, she's actually the original final girl. But, like, this is.
Natalie Jean
What if this happened in the seat.
Jackie Zabrowski
And she's a murderer? Like, then what? Oh, it would be, like, difficult to use that chainsaw.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. But I would kind of want to see Leatherface as a mermaid. That is kind.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, I just imagine him gliding through the water, but still covered in, like, skin and meat and stuff.
Natalie Jean
Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
Soggy.
Natalie Jean
He'd be wearing fish scales, though, so it'd be kind of pretty because he would be, like, flaying mer.
Jackie Zabrowski
People, you heard it here first, folks. Natalie wants to have sex with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Leatherface. Well, as a mermaid. I'm sorry. Excuse me.
Natalie Jean
The river chainsaw.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes.
Natalie Jean
Mercicre.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, mercy. There it is. You really found it in the end. And honestly, he was a man that created a project and really stuck to it.
Natalie Jean
He is passionate, impressive.
Jackie Zabrowski
I think. Dedicated, loyal.
Natalie Jean
That's something that we should all aim for with a partner, with ourselves being strived for.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. I love talking with facial hair. It just makes my whole face feel more exaggerated.
Natalie Jean
I really actually think you're slaying this look, but I still can't figure out who you are.
Jackie Zabrowski
That's good because I did kind of make this up, so. Oh, I might have.
Natalie Jean
Don't tell me. I'm gonna keep trying to guess.
Jackie Zabrowski
You'll figure it out eventually. There's only so many. It can be. I am really excited because nobody can really see my full jacket. But look at the picture. And I'll make sure to show it off. Cause it has this, like, side cape. I don't know what the hell this coat is. I think that they were trying to say it was like a steampunk thing.
Natalie Jean
It looks sort of a Game of Thrones. Y.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes, but it's only got a cape on one shoulder.
Natalie Jean
I think that is a thing. A military thing.
Jackie Zabrowski
I don't know what it means, but I like it and I feel fun.
Natalie Jean
I like that. Also has a hood.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot going on.
Natalie Jean
There's a lot.
Jackie Zabrowski
There's a lot happening down here. Like, I. I kind of want to just wear this.
Natalie Jean
You also look like you're joining the Black parade a little bit.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. Should I?
Natalie Jean
Yeah, I.
Jackie Zabrowski
You know, I don't know if I could. I feel like I love My Chemical Romance, but I definitely cannot go head to head with the world and the fandom of My Chemical Romance because I don't know that much. I don't know. I can never. Because when people. I feel like it's one of those of like. Yeah, but how much do you like My Chemical Romance? Like, I really like.
Natalie Jean
I like it as much as an adult should. So if you like it so much that you are gatekeeping it, maybe you're not okay. Perhaps you are not okay. And you should go to the brain doctor.
Jackie Zabrowski
Brain doctor? Yeah, man, those brain doctors love to see us coming. Look at the two of us dressed like this in the middle of a day on a Thursday and be like, I don't know what you're doing, but I'm glad you're living your dream.
Natalie Jean
That's me knocking on the therapist's door.
Jackie Zabrowski
Brain. Excuse me. My brain is broken. Someone let me in. My brain is broken.
Natalie Jean
Who?
Jackie Zabrowski
This guy? Yeah. I. It's not that I want to have sex with myself dressed like this, but I think.
Natalie Jean
I mean, I get it. I do get it.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, this is the perfect place for me to talk about. Excuse me if I've already brought this up on this episode or, like, in the world of Crescent City, but I. You're the final person, I think, that I haven't told that in Vampire the Masquerade, which starts on October 29, and everybody should check it out. I kind of based my Vampire Looks Wise a little bit on Bryce Quinlan.
Natalie Jean
I think you have mentioned it, but.
Jackie Zabrowski
You'Re just that excited for me that you get to hear it again, because I just Want to have sex with Bryce Quinlan, even though she annoys me.
Natalie Jean
Listen, give promo all day.
Jackie Zabrowski
Thank you.
Natalie Jean
Always promo. Got you in this world.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes, you must. And you must check out our vampire improv, everybody, because in my brain, you'll just see me as this big, thick, juicy bitch. Oh, baby. It's like Jessica Rabbit were a vampire.
Natalie Jean
Oh, that's your. That's your RPG character.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, in my brain.
Natalie Jean
I mean, you're. Wait, am I saying no?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. Ttrpg. Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Thank you. Ttrbg.
Jackie Zabrowski
Rpg.
Natalie Jean
Rpg.
Jackie Zabrowski
Tabletop role playing game, in case you were ever wondering.
Natalie Jean
Yes.
Jackie Zabrowski
And that is the genre of the games. If you're like, I don't understand D. And D is a ttrpg. So TTRPG is just the world of tabletop role playing games now.
Natalie Jean
That is with me forever.
Jackie Zabrowski
You're welcome. You look beautiful.
Natalie Jean
One little thing spot back here.
Jackie Zabrowski
This really, like, this mermaid look really works for you. I imagine El on a date. Imagine you the, like, this goddess shows up, and I'm like, hey, you're not.
Natalie Jean
No, no, you're not giving that. That's not what you're giving right now.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm worried that I'm giving Mugatu. And I said this to Adam earlier, and I was like, that's not what I'm going for.
Natalie Jean
Mugatu.
Jackie Zabrowski
Will fell.
Natalie Jean
Oh, you know, I actually think you're serving, but I, again, don't know who you are. But I'll figure it out. We'll all figure it out together as we journey into chapter 42.
Jackie Zabrowski
Ooh. And although definitely giving a little bit of R.A. rasputin, Russia's greatest.
Natalie Jean
That as well.
Jackie Zabrowski
I am given a little Rasputin. But also, it would make sense that everybody would want to fuck this. That you wouldn't even realize how bad I am.
Natalie Jean
I thought you were going into Ra. And I actually think God would wear this also.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes, but also, like, with, like, meat nipples.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, there are. Well, maybe you have me nipples under that jacket.
Jackie Zabrowski
I don't know. You want to check it out?
Natalie Jean
I don't know if we should.
Jackie Zabrowski
Guys, YouTube. Will you allow it?
Natalie Jean
No.
Jackie Zabrowski
I can't even show my meat nipples anymore.
Natalie Jean
I know, boo. I mean, you are. You are presenting as masks, so technically, you should be allowed. Yep. All right.
Jackie Zabrowski
Whoa.
Natalie Jean
All right.
Jackie Zabrowski
All right, pastrami, get ready to shine. Only pastrami on the nipples.
Natalie Jean
Put in one of those. We have momentarily technical issues.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, Jackie just won't put her meat nipples away.
Natalie Jean
And we're back. I hope you guys all enjoyed those meat nipples. I Feel conflicted. So we're at chapter 42. Bryce is at the committee, um, walking towards Celestina's office. For some reason, Girl, it's just you.
Jackie Zabrowski
Always gotta put your nose in it. You gotta put your nose in it.
Natalie Jean
She really does before.
Jackie Zabrowski
Too hot.
Natalie Jean
But she's pretty. Before we learn what she's there for, she is stopped in the hall by her phone. It is a terse message from Juniper. Speaking of, remember that happening 16 plot points ago?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Where she.
Jackie Zabrowski
I bet Bryce even was like, oh.
Natalie Jean
I did, I did just do this huge thing and use my princess status and call and get her moved up. Bryce doesn't seem to remember because whenever she sees that message, her first thought is, oh, no, did something happen to fury? Why is Juniper so mad? That's not what she's calling about. How dare you? Is the first word she has to Bryce.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, God. When you see that at the top of your phone where you don't. Can't see the rest of the message, and you're like, oh, what? What?
Natalie Jean
And people are always asking how I dare things.
Jackie Zabrowski
I know. And you're always daring, aren't you?
Natalie Jean
Highway to the danger zone over here.
Jackie Zabrowski
Hell yeah. It's not. That's not what you call your pussy, though.
Natalie Jean
How do you know?
Jackie Zabrowski
I don't. The meat nipples, though, they talk.
Natalie Jean
Oh, yeah. Oh, they talk to one another.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, that's.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm assuming you have them as well.
Natalie Jean
I think mine are made of abalone.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, you don't like meat? Yeah, you would hate it if you had meat nipples. I'm sorry, Natalie.
Natalie Jean
Thank you. Mine are pineapples. Plant based.
Jackie Zabrowski
Those nipples are impossible.
Natalie Jean
Hey, so Juniper has been made Principle. This is what Juniper is calling about. Bryce doesn't seem to get why it's bad.
Jackie Zabrowski
I got you what you wanted.
Natalie Jean
It's at least something she can do with her status is what she says to Juniper. Being a princess sucks. Here's something that's good I can do with it, right? Juniper is enraged. She explains to the seemingly distracted Bryce, because Bryce is not really computing exactly what's happening with Juniper. That Bryce took an accomplishment away from her. The people will always speak of Juniper as a quote, diversity hire, despite the fact, by the way, we should mention that things like DEI exist because of the nepotism and mediocrity of the wealthy and connected.
Jackie Zabrowski
Think about that. What do you think about that beautiful not hooved bitch gliding across the stage?
Natalie Jean
Yeah, so that's a whole nother conversation. But again, very much understand why Juniper would Be devastated by this. It wasn't Bryce's place to make that call.
Jackie Zabrowski
No, because then everybody's going to find out, too. And then everyone's going to be like, oh, well, I mean, you know why she got the lead.
Natalie Jean
That's what I'm. That totally. Like, she's already fighting this uphill battle that is unfair to her. But it is her battle to fight. Unless she asks you to help in some way. For you to overstep her and be like, no, no, no, I got it. Don't you worry. Like, pat her on the head, which Bryce is not doing. But it could feel like that.
Jackie Zabrowski
But it's like, I know she wasn't doing that on purpose, but, girl, it's.
Natalie Jean
Arrogant and it's condescending. Even if she meant well and didn't see it that way. That's what it is. Bryce doesn't seem to get how bad this is and tells June she'll call her as soon as this meeting is over and that she. June, just hangs up on her. She is livid, rattled. Bryce takes a few breaths, beginning to realize she may have really messed her friendship up.
Jackie Zabrowski
She's like, of all the things she's up. I feel like this is the first time that she's like, maybe I did do something wrong. Well.
Natalie Jean
I wish that I had that reaction.
Jackie Zabrowski
God, no. Every. No, I do.
Natalie Jean
If I'm worried I did something wrong, it's just over and over and over and over.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
I wish that I could just be like, huh.
Jackie Zabrowski
Well, do you know, some people do live that life. You know, Some people don't have anxiety. It's crazy. Sometimes I feel like it breaks my brain to think that I'm like, oh, my God. Are you not, like, worried about things that you make up all the time? Real or makeup? Like, that's. That's awesome.
Natalie Jean
I imagine it is. I.
Jackie Zabrowski
We're never gonna know.
Natalie Jean
No. And I think that anxiety can have. It could be great. For some reason I'm not thinking of right now.
Jackie Zabrowski
Fight or flight, you know? Appreciate that brain, because we know it's the brain looking out for you.
Natalie Jean
Heads on a swivel. So she is fantasizing about taking a ballet class when this current meeting meeting is over to clear her head. Because, yes, she obviously did mess up this friendship, but she also is doing some other thing that seems quite important here in this office. She knocks on Celestina's door and enters the room, embarrassed. Bryce remembers that she again used her princess status to gain this meeting. She thinks about how, like, she's like, oh, I'm doing this again. But it doesn't matter now. She's here.
Jackie Zabrowski
She got in the meeting.
Natalie Jean
Celestina suspects Bryce is there to ask for Hunt back because, as you recall, his punishment is to be sleeping in the barracks for two weeks.
Jackie Zabrowski
And he has to go play video games with his boy. Okay. And it sucks because he can't even make kiss.
Natalie Jean
He can't. Oh, so hard for him. But, I mean, I'm glad. I don't want him to be, like, tortured in the town square.
Jackie Zabrowski
I don't want his wings ripped off or anything.
Natalie Jean
No. Bryce apologizes for Hunt leaving Celestina at the party, which is his wife's punished, and tells her she wouldn't have asked him had she known. She understands. And Bryce is saying she supports the punishment. She is saying, I'm not asking you to, like, stop the punishment, but I. Can I borrow him for one night? In that time period, we know girls.
Jackie Zabrowski
With their toys, right?
Natalie Jean
She's like, I gotta get it in. You know what I'm saying? No, she doesn't say that. Maybe it would work, though.
Jackie Zabrowski
Honestly, with Celestina, you never know. Right now, we really don't know exactly.
Natalie Jean
We don't know what her vibes are. So.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, we do know that she didn't saw off his wings publicly. So I guess we know at least a little bit about her. You are your.
Natalie Jean
Whatever vibes you are when you are alone. And we never truly know.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, God. So all my vibes are just me going, oh, God, I'm horrible. Oh, God, I'm the worst.
Natalie Jean
Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
Natalie, are you telling me that these are the vibes that I give? No, I'm. Relax. Look at me. I'm. Peace.
Natalie Jean
Yes. Shoot your bitches.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm like the yin yang symbol.
Natalie Jean
You're like the yin yang twins.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. But I'm. Yeah, but I guess we're kissing, me and myself. But they were kissing, right?
Natalie Jean
The yin yang twins?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Did I make that up? I. Were they a couple? I thought they were brothers.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, sometimes I'm gonna put yin yang twins kissing. Yin yang. Twang's Kissing. No, they didn't.
Natalie Jean
Shake it like a song. Shake it, shake it like. I mean, if they were kissing, they were really overcompensating with their misogyny. I mean, not. No. Hate. Very fun dance music.
Jackie Zabrowski
Sometimes you gotta kiss it out. I like, you know, coming up with rumors. Man, I forgot about whistleblower. Oh, yeah. How could you, Natalie? How I get through my day?
Natalie Jean
I am gonna play that later. Don't you worry. So we know as the reader, we know that she's asking for this day.
Jackie Zabrowski
Speaking of tattoo, by the way, it was tattoo that I was thinking of that. That they were.
Natalie Jean
Those heads is going a different group.
Jackie Zabrowski
Look at my outfit. I'm thinking, I'm thinking internationally. You know, I'm giving a little Ross poutine on there. Try to poison me, Try to murder me.
Natalie Jean
Histories confused tattoo with the twins in any way?
Jackie Zabrowski
I think I was thinking of the whisper song. I don't know. I was thinking. I don't know. I think that I had. I put so much adhesive glue underneath nose that I think I'm starting to float over here.
Natalie Jean
I would love to see Ying Ying twins cover tattoo songs. Those tattoo songs are bangers.
Jackie Zabrowski
The crossover we never expected.
Natalie Jean
So. Well, maybe they could get married to each other and have a double wedding. Because they were fake. They were fake lesbians.
Jackie Zabrowski
Tatang sisters.
Natalie Jean
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Jackie Zabrowski
Sorry. Well, Natalie's having a fit, but that's fine. She does that every once in a while.
Natalie Jean
So. Because she needs Hun to go with her to the island where the Ophion's getting the bio suits. And she can't tell Celestina that, of course. So instead she tells her that she had made a promise to her mother that Hunt would accompany her to a home visit and that her mom doesn't take no for an answer. Celestina seems amused by this. I don't actually know how the family dynamics work with archangels. Like, does she have a mom and dad that she sees?
Jackie Zabrowski
We don't know.
Natalie Jean
We don't know.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, if anything, probably, if she does, she probably hasn't seen him in a very, very, very long time.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, but she seems like at least charmed by the idea that Bryce this important meeting is because Bryce's mom might get mad. And Bryce continues that if he can't go see her mom this weekend as he Promised her mom is never going to believe he's a good guy, which is a very clever move.
Jackie Zabrowski
It is. But, man, again, the brass balls on her to go into Celestina's office and be like, hey, I know you're, like, punishing him, but, like, my mom's gonna be upset with me if he doesn't come.
Natalie Jean
I think she's trying to make it seem like a little bit of a kiki.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes.
Natalie Jean
She's like, hey, we're both sisters in power, right? I imagine this is like how, you know, like, Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon meet up together. And they're like, what's up, sister? You and I, we have a lot of this problem.
Jackie Zabrowski
And they go say, bon, c', est bon, c' est la vie. You know, they reference housewives to each other, and then they continue on with their meeting.
Natalie Jean
Exactly. They have like a. This sort of. Hey, can you kind of hear what I'm saying? I know this is not that important, but it, like, let's be humans for a second.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. And then they start a group chat. And then you realize once you're in a group chat that it's always popping off. And then Celestine is like, oh, I never should have done this.
Natalie Jean
Oh, are you. Is this you projecting?
Jackie Zabrowski
No, it's still on silent. I'm never gonna active. I'm never putting it back on. I'm never gonna know when it's popping off ever again.
Natalie Jean
Oh, but do you look sometimes. Yeah, there's good conversations.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, yeah, yeah, no. Oh, I'm always looking at my phone, so don't worry. I'm still seeing it show up at the top of my. Of my phone for every single one. But okay, don't worry, guys. I'd never miss a group chat meme.
Natalie Jean
So Celestina, you know, smiles about this conversation but has a sad look on her face, causing Bryce to tentatively ask how things are going with Ephraim. Celestina is careful in her response, but expresses that he is her friend, but this is not something maybe she had in her plans, that maybe she didn't really want him as a partner because obviously they chose not to do that before this.
Jackie Zabrowski
But they chose wrong before. Don't worry. The fates have chosen for them.
Natalie Jean
Oh, yeah. So Bryce knows she doesn't really have jurisdiction to offer, but regardless, tells Celestina if she ever needs to have girl talk, she's available and she means it. Even though she is technically manipulating her right now, she does think she likes Celestina and would be there for her. She wanted it.
Jackie Zabrowski
But also, it's like, I know that we're not supposed to see her as a mean girl in this moment, but I do feel like even just the tinch of, like, Celestina is desperate for a little bit of connection. And I even know that, like, Bryce is also reaching out her hand, but she's, like, falsely reaching out her hand, and that kind of hurts me. On behalf of Celestina.
Natalie Jean
Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, she could use a friend.
Natalie Jean
She probably could. But what. What secrets is Celestina holding? We don't know.
Jackie Zabrowski
We don't know.
Natalie Jean
She could also be triple crossing. There's so many different ways to cross.
Jackie Zabrowski
But don't all of our friends have secrets?
Natalie Jean
Well, I hope they're not triple crossing me. We don't.
Jackie Zabrowski
We're not going to know.
Natalie Jean
Don't make this another anxiety thing I'm going to have to think about later.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm triple crossing. I say get out the crucifix. Oh, we're gonna spread you across three. Is that what it means?
Natalie Jean
Sheesh.
Jackie Zabrowski
I've been wine online.
Natalie Jean
Yikes. So she does, in her mind, though, mean it in a way. So Celestina thinks this over, right? And tells Bryce to go ahead and take him home and then actually just keep him there, that he's being such a mopey Mandy that he's driving everyone crazy at the barracks, and so Celsius, like, you can just take him. His punishment can be over. Bryce lights up, grins broadly. Thank you, thank you. Thank you so much.
Jackie Zabrowski
All you have to do is mope to get out of a punishment.
Natalie Jean
Well, I guess if you're annoying enough, you know, this is good.
Jackie Zabrowski
I think we should all remember this. All right? Mope, be more annoying. That's how you get away with it.
Natalie Jean
Yep. Celestine is, like, good. I'm sick of him. Get him out of here. On her way to the barracks, Bryce to tell Hunt the good news, Bryce calls Fury. So she was walking from this office to his barracks, and she calls Fury.
Jackie Zabrowski
To try to figure out, triangulate the situation.
Natalie Jean
Yes, yes, she answers and basically tells Bryce that she gets why Bryce did this. But Juniper is literally devastated. Fury refuses to get in the middle of it.
Jackie Zabrowski
You really undermined all of the many years of work that she has put in.
Natalie Jean
Sure. I also feel like it does make sense she would try to call Fury, because Juniper will not respond to her, and so maybe she's at least trying to find out what she can do. Like, I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is to do there.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, I just, you know, I feel like it was a little bit of like a, oh, I did these bad things and now she's upset. It's like, yeah, you made your bed, now you kind of, kind of got a lie in it.
Natalie Jean
What would you do in that situation?
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, I would do. I would not have called in the first place and I definitely wouldn't have done that. But I guess, yeah, now I, I would be so worried that Bryce had already stuck her nose in that. If I were Juniper, I'd be like, yeah, but don't like go back now and be like, never mind, don't do it either. You know what I mean?
Natalie Jean
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it is a take back situation.
Jackie Zabrowski
I think you give Juniper some space and you don't talk to Fury about and then you come back and apologize. And in time, because I feel like she's going to need some time. Because what is Juniper not going to take? Like she has to do it now.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. So which is actually what Fury, that's what Fury tells her to do is to give her weeks, some weeks of process.
Jackie Zabrowski
Exactly.
Natalie Jean
And then come up with a good plan to apologize. Fury at least isn't icing her out. So that's good.
Jackie Zabrowski
Which is crazy because Fury not usually the best at emotional communication.
Natalie Jean
No, but I. It's nice because, you know, in the last book, like you just said, she completely just avoided Bryce. So I do think it's okay they touch base here, in my opinion, just because of their own private friendship. And trying to figure out, is Fury also not now, not my friend? Like, if I fudge this up that badly, she connected.
Jackie Zabrowski
She answered the phone. I feel like a lot of us in this situation would not answer the phone because I'd probably be like, I don't deal with this shit. Silent.
Natalie Jean
Right.
Jackie Zabrowski
But that would make me a bad friend.
Natalie Jean
No, I mean, so not necessarily.
Jackie Zabrowski
But they're, you know, I love to avoid conflict.
Natalie Jean
Oh, yeah, of course. I hate conflict. I literally hate it so much I'll do most things to avoid it. So Fury basically says, you know, just give it time. It's nice she hasn't completely iced out Bryce again. She. Bryce feels truly terrible, but is hopeful that maybe because she answered her phone that it's the friendship's at least salvageable.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
She tentatively asks Fury if she wants to help with any of the stuff that they're doing, you know, not related to Juniper with all of the crimes they're committing, you know, and Fury's like, no, absolutely not. I'm not risking my life right now for your nonsense. And also she's like, basically says, I have a really good thing going with Juniper and I'm not going to risk that.
Jackie Zabrowski
But also, we never know what Fury is working on, so Lord knows what she's in the middle of. I can't imagine she's just hanging out on a beach somewhere.
Natalie Jean
No, I hope she is though.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, good for her. She needs to relax.
Natalie Jean
She does. Get your feet up. They hang up and Bryce tries to push down her self loathing to greet Hunt where she is now in the barracks. She's feeling better when she knocks on his dorm room door and gets a full view of a shirtless Hunt wearing his backwards baseball. He looks shocked to see her, but before he can even react, she runs up, kisses him deeply. Before he can ask questions, he picks her up and she wraps her legs around his waist. Okay, they're about half ready to go at it in the doorway. So Bryce tells him that don't. We don't need to. You've been freed from the clink. He seems to be in shock as he puts her hands all over him and tells him that they're also going on a trip. He keeps going. Wait, you what?
Jackie Zabrowski
You got me out? Yeah, because all of the blood is in his dick, so he can't. He can't comprehend.
Natalie Jean
He's like, trip. Okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay. So as they're having this conversation, they get interrupted, unfortunately, by the sneery sneer sense.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like you have no other job but to just be annoying.
Natalie Jean
But you're very attractive also, and that's extra annoying. Bryce turns to see Pollux with his arm around the hind. He asks if Hunt paying her by the hour. Oh, hilarious. Another prostitute job.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh my God, it's so. What? What are you taking your roast from the book of Sabine? Is she a.
Natalie Jean
Do you have one of those wow. Books that are in people's bathrooms that tell you jokes?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, but it's just Sabine roasts and they're all the same and they're all bad.
Natalie Jean
Just talking about being sex workers. What?
Jackie Zabrowski
You may as well go and have sex. I think that's one of the Sabine quotes.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. So she tells him as much and the couple continues on to whatever sludge pit they're heading towards. So they just come and interrupt the moment.
Jackie Zabrowski
Just walking.
Natalie Jean
Keep walking over here. But Hunt is too distracted to even glare at the couple and tries to pull Bryce into his room. His dorm Room. His empty dorm room. But she doesn't want to do it here in this empty, weird frat house.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, it is dorm banging, you know? Always fun, always dicey.
Natalie Jean
I've personally never done such a thing.
Jackie Zabrowski
No, we've talked. I'm sure we've talked about it before, but it's fun.
Natalie Jean
You know, It's a.
Jackie Zabrowski
It's a young person. It's a time. It's a young person's game. I don't want to do that anymore. Okay.
Natalie Jean
I hope not. Jackie's over at the college campus again.
Jackie Zabrowski
Let me in the dorm. Let me just experience again. I'll. I. I'll bring my own man.
Natalie Jean
Come on, let me in. Oh, you want to just use the room?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. You're not room. Yeah.
Natalie Jean
You're not coming to Lear at college kids.
Jackie Zabrowski
No, I want to be. I just want to be on the XL twin, off the, you know, off the floor.
Natalie Jean
A little loft.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Yes.
Jackie Zabrowski
God, I fell off that thing so many times. Yeah. Why do. Why did we have loft? I don't know. Did you put it into a loft? My dorm.
Natalie Jean
We.
Jackie Zabrowski
I put up in the loft because you need the space underneath. I would be drunk, and I would fall out of it all the time. And I don't know how I ever didn't break a bunch of bones.
Natalie Jean
I ended, weirdly, my college career in the dorms. I did not. I, like, didn't live in college dorms at all. I didn't start college Till I was 20, and because of that, my last two years, when I transferred out to an out of state school to finish my degree, it was like a dorm school. And I had never done that before. I, like, worked and lived in my own house since I was 18, and so I was in the dorms too late in life.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, no, don't worry.
Natalie Jean
I still did all of the dumb.
Jackie Zabrowski
It is.
Natalie Jean
It's kind of like 23 when you're.
Jackie Zabrowski
In a bunk bed as an adult, and it's like everything in your brain. A friend of ours, I remember, who had been hammered, had hooked up with somebody in a top bunk. He was so drunk that he forgot that he was in a top bunk. But here's the thing. It's not like when you're 18 and you fall out of the bunk. He fell out of the bunk and he shattered his collarbone. Then he had to tell everybody that he fell out of a bunk. And I'm talking somebody in their early 30s fell out of a. But that's the thing. When you're in your early 30s. And you're hooking up with somebody. You don't really expect to go back to somebody's place in the top bunk. No bunk bed.
Natalie Jean
I would feel like I was committing a crime. Well, that's it.
Jackie Zabrowski
And the person of a. Not in a door. Not like, it was just. It was just something. Because in New York, all the places were so small that this person was trying to use. Utilize their space.
Natalie Jean
Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
No New York smile all the way or else I think this is going to fall off. So I just keep like.
Natalie Jean
Just the talks working, baby.
Jackie Zabrowski
I wish I have no talks right now. I'm all movement.
Natalie Jean
You should take some.
Jackie Zabrowski
Can I have some of it, please?
Natalie Jean
Yeah. Well.
Jackie Zabrowski
Sorry. Yeah, I just.
Natalie Jean
Fun to think about those. Those sad times.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
So they don't want to do that, apparently. Well, at least Bryce doesn't want to. And she tells him to sweat it out one more night because that's the. The deal with Celestina. That he finishes the day and the night out in the barracks, and then it's time to go to the bone zone the next day. Day.
Jackie Zabrowski
Their rules. These guys.
Natalie Jean
I wouldn't. If I. Okay, I will say it's fun.
Jackie Zabrowski
Rules are fun. Having boundaries like that. They are fun.
Natalie Jean
I will say if you're doing this whole, you know, waiting and waiting and waiting, I wouldn't want it to be in an empty dorm room. I wouldn't.
Jackie Zabrowski
You're so right. And also, I just feel like, though, if I were on the brink of like, oh, might be murdered. Oh, might be murdered. I probably wouldn't do the. Like, I feel like I'd be like, let's.
Natalie Jean
Oh, I.
Jackie Zabrowski
Let's get this going.
Natalie Jean
I agree.
Jackie Zabrowski
But you do say noochee poochie when you don't want it, right?
Natalie Jean
I do say no. Cheap. And that means no.
Jackie Zabrowski
That means no. And you do have to end it with. And that means no. Just in case.
Natalie Jean
Because it sounds like yes, but it's not.
Jackie Zabrowski
It does. It sounds like I am implying that I would.
Natalie Jean
I like to just make people confused.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. Hell yeah. Mystery.
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Natalie Jean
So she's like, one more night, then we'll do it. He pulls her in still for a kiss and is a bad. I wrote a bad man because I hate saying.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, no.
Natalie Jean
The expression bad boy is gross. But bad man makes it sound like he's pulling stick out of the subway.
Jackie Zabrowski
He does sound. Not like someone we want to thirst for. Yeah.
Natalie Jean
So she. He pulls her in for one more kiss.
Jackie Zabrowski
What about naughty boy? Don't like naughty boy either. No, naughty man. But naughty man also does have an implication of creepus. Yeah, bad guy. Bad. Yeah, but bad guy also. Yeah, that's a criminal.
Natalie Jean
I know, but it's also like Billie Eilish kind of like. I mean, that she's very young.
Jackie Zabrowski
Bad guy. Duh.
Natalie Jean
Duh.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. And then it's cool.
Natalie Jean
Then it's cool. So he's basically. He flirts with her. He pulls her in for a kiss and he goes. He makes a little. He goes. A little promise for later. He puts his hand in her pants. I know. I didn't want to upset you.
Jackie Zabrowski
You know, just thinking about that, it puts me off my game.
Natalie Jean
I know. You get upset.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm gonna have to.
Natalie Jean
Oh, God.
Jackie Zabrowski
Okay.
Natalie Jean
Is that one?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, that's my. Yeah, that's. That's my, like, Chris angel word to bring me back. Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Oh, so cut over. So we have that scene. He gives her the promise of what's to come, and then he closes the door on her and she's like, oh, my goodness. So he cut. We cut over to Ethan in this time period, and he's surprised to see that the prime is calling him on his cell phone as he stands outside. Oh, the astronomers building. Oh. Oh, that's cute.
Jackie Zabrowski
It's me on the phone.
Natalie Jean
It's me. It's cute. Oh, well, you're the prime.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, this is what I chose. Yes, it is. I, the Fendir Prime. And no, I am not a wolf. But am I an old, young, Maybe hot, maybe too old, about to die Wolf man? Yes, I am.
Natalie Jean
This is fascinating that this was your choice of what you think he looks like.
Jackie Zabrowski
What do you think I. What do you think he looks like? What do you think he looks like?
Natalie Jean
A choke on your beard?
Jackie Zabrowski
I just. I don't.
Natalie Jean
I. No, I saw him more as like. Like a really old, like, clean Eastwood or something.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh. Oh, this is nice. This is not what you saw. I. There's no real. I really looked for it. I was like, there's no real description of the Vendeer.
Natalie Jean
Do you like that? This is your. Thought about it? I just feel like this is, you.
Jackie Zabrowski
Know, it's like, what is he wearing? What time? What year is it? Like, I feel like he would be really, like. He wouldn't fit in. He's not like the other girls.
Natalie Jean
I do. Okay. I like it. I like it a lot.
Jackie Zabrowski
Thank you. Now it makes sense of why you didn't know who I was, though. You know, I'm like, who else would I be, guys? But also, let us know. Did you also have absolutely no clue who I was? Let us know.
Natalie Jean
You are giving a little bit of a villain, which is interesting because the prime so far is not coming across.
Jackie Zabrowski
As what gives villain about this.
Natalie Jean
It looks like you're, like, evil.
Jackie Zabrowski
I think you are judging a book by its roosty cover over here. Okay. I. You know, I. Yeah. I don't know what's at. I don't. I bought the pieces separately and I'm like.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, it's like if you put them all together, it's like if you're evil Fury from another dimension. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. Yes. Because this is also my Fury wig. So. Yes. Maybe this is Fury in disguise while she's working on other projects.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
That's what. She was on the phone with Bryce. I mean, like, I can't talk right now. I'm kind of dressed weird.
Natalie Jean
All right, so we're with the Prime. The Prime?
Jackie Zabrowski
With him the whole time? Yes.
Natalie Jean
Ethan is surprised to hear from you because technically all wolves have your phone number, but they're not usually call. It's like, for literally emergencies only. So he's never called.
Jackie Zabrowski
Talk to them. The Pack and Brain speak. Or is that my. Just thinking of Twilight. Sorry.
Natalie Jean
I think that's why Twilight. Okay.
Jackie Zabrowski
Ouch. I'm sorry.
Natalie Jean
Also, I think Joe Rogan says that about wolves. So maybe you're in the Rogan sphere.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, like all wolves?
Natalie Jean
Yeah. I think he thinks all wolves can talk to each other.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, it's kind of fun.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, sure.
Jackie Zabrowski
So, yeah, they do. They go awoo.
Natalie Jean
They go awoo.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. And they awoo back. Aw.
Natalie Jean
I love it. It. But that's what he's. He's like, why is he on the phone? That's weird. Why is the prime calling me? He answers, and the prime reveals that he has just learned about what Sabine has done to Ethan. Because, remember, Bryce went and visited the prime to try to get information from him and then accidentally let it spill because apparently the prime had no idea Sabine. Sabine kicked out Ethan.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm just a wolf.
Natalie Jean
I mean, you're technically the lead wolf.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'm the head of the wolves, but I don't know. I can't know what every wolf wolf does.
Natalie Jean
Well, apparently your daughter is causing all the time wherever she goes.
Jackie Zabrowski
I started that nickname.
Natalie Jean
Good. But also get her in check a little bit.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, I do own her still. So I guess I should go make sure she's. I mean, I didn't give her the sword.
Natalie Jean
That's true. You didn't.
Jackie Zabrowski
So think about that. Baby. Baby girl.
Natalie Jean
I'm a queen. I don't think you should be talking to me.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, I was talking to Sabine. Oh, okay. That. She was my baby girl.
Natalie Jean
Get out of here. You like this?
Jackie Zabrowski
You like my look too much.
Natalie Jean
I'm. I'm seducing you too easily. Jeff. Is this what she does?
Jackie Zabrowski
I already sent him a picture and said you're looking for round two. I'd send it to him and see, because. Yeah. He said. Yeah.
Natalie Jean
He said, yeah, Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
I feel like I'm gonna leave it on. Jeff is very accepting and patient. Yes, I think he would be very patient.
Natalie Jean
So he, at the Prime's request, Ethan explains what happened to lead to now. So basically breaks down all the events that led up to Ethan being ejected, including the reason that he was, which was defending Bryce. Bryce. And we know the prime already thinks Bryce is a wolf in her heart.
Jackie Zabrowski
Wolf at you, Not a wolf.
Natalie Jean
No, not a wolf.
Jackie Zabrowski
Get back in the water. I wish I can say that I am the Prime.
Natalie Jean
I know. And she says, it's fine. Don't worry about it.
Jackie Zabrowski
I think all I hear is.
Natalie Jean
The prime listens intently and then asks what he's going to do now. So the prime listens to Ethan's story and says, ethan, what's your plan? Ethan explains that he's moved in with Ruhn and is figuring it out from there. The prime tells him this is a shocking twist, that if he wants to come back, he can come back as an Alpha of his own pack if he desires.
Jackie Zabrowski
Are we talking about the same Ethan? I think I needed to get into the fend of your Prime's fucking head for a moment and be like, let's think about this.
Natalie Jean
I agree. But also, could you have said this before he was almost murdered by your daughter?
Jackie Zabrowski
Right, right. Give him a little bit of confidence.
Natalie Jean
Ethan's obviously stunned, as we all are, because this seems like a bad idea, that the prime would have him back at all, would even tell him he's got what it takes to be an Alpha. Which the prime says. The prime goes on to say he knows that Ethan has suppressed these traits to protect others feelings.
Jackie Zabrowski
And not because he's not as bright as the other wolves.
Natalie Jean
Not as. That's not why his head spins with this information. He tells the prime he needs to think about it. He doesn't even know who would be in his pack. He's been rejected by all of them. So would anybody even be in his pack? Or would he just be an Alpha alone?
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, like Joe Rogan.
Natalie Jean
Like Joe Rogan. Much like him.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
Regardless, he's honored and tells the Prime. So they hang up and Ethan considers what just happened. He's confused. As you might have gleaned by now. He's confused a lot. We learn where he is when he took this call, which is again at the astronomers.
Jackie Zabrowski
Like, can you stay away from them? But also you were. It was interesting that you had guessed. Maybe I was dressed as the astronomer. Which this is probably. I could probably go either way.
Natalie Jean
I would say. I think the astronomer has a big white beard. Like a. Like a long.
Jackie Zabrowski
Okay. And I'd have wizard.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, but that's a good. Good costume to think about. Costume, everybody. So he's back. I can't with this boy. After knocking a few times on the front door and no getting no response, he pushes the door open, which is mysteriously unlocked. He calls into the dark cavernous room.
Jackie Zabrowski
He's not here. Rasped a horse. Female voice. Nee, nee.
Natalie Jean
Not that kind of horse. Don't let her trick you.
Jackie Zabrowski
Long chestnut brown hair draped over her two thin pale limbs. Her body clad in that white shift that all three mystics wore. Her dark eyes were still like she was only half there. A face that might have been pretty if it weren't so gone, so haunted.
Natalie Jean
So it is the female mystic and she is not in her tank.
Jackie Zabrowski
Nope. All dried off. She's like jerky now.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, I think you would be kind of like. Your skin would probably be so nasty.
Jackie Zabrowski
Ew. It's probably sloughing off. Right?
Natalie Jean
I guess he must have to have some sort of magic charms on or something.
Jackie Zabrowski
Suit.
Natalie Jean
She explains that the astronomer left to get a part for her tank. It's not working after all of the malaise the other day. And so she must sit outside of it and wait. Ithan is disquieted by her. She can't gain a cent off of her, likely due to her years in the tank. Suddenly the mystic recognizes him as the male who pulled her from the tank when her breathing apparatus stopped working. She uses the word freed, as in, you freed me, which stops him in his tracks because he doesn't know what.
Jackie Zabrowski
That word means, and he has to go look it up in a dictionary for read.
Natalie Jean
Yes. Just to go find a paper book. Dictionary. He. He's contemplating it because he assumed when she was screaming, take me back. Take me back, that she wanted to.
Jackie Zabrowski
Go back, Wanted to go back in.
Natalie Jean
And so the word freed is confusing because that makes it sound like she was imprisoned. He wonders, in horror, in that moment if when she begged to be taken back, she didn't mean to the spiritual plane inside the T, but take me back to wherever she had been brought from in the first place.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yikes. I feel like that's. That's a whole paper trail.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, that's a lot. The mystic speaks to him in clipped sentences, seemingly having a hard time speaking, explaining that the astronomer will be angry to see Ethan here, and he probably won't want to answer questions, which is what Ethan explains to her why he's here again. So he asks if his brother is really safe.
Jackie Zabrowski
He's dead. Sorry. Are you.
Natalie Jean
Is he really safe in the book? I don't. She's like, I don't know, dude. I don't know. And even if he was or wasn't, what is this gonna do for you? Just gonna keep asking.
Jackie Zabrowski
Agonize over it.
Natalie Jean
So he's like, oh, okay, bye. As he gets up to leave. I guess I'll leave. As he gets up to leave, the mystic surprisingly suggests that he should go see a necromancer if he'd like to know about his brother. He turns back to her to reply that he's probably not going to do that, but thanks. And in that interaction, she moved slightly.
Jackie Zabrowski
And the movement sent a whisper of her scent toward him. Snow and embers. And Ethan went rigid world to her. You're a wolf. What are you doing here?
Natalie Jean
So she's a wolf. Also isn't. Snow and embers rowing.
Jackie Zabrowski
Pine and snow.
Natalie Jean
Pine and snow.
Jackie Zabrowski
Pine and snow. But I'm saying there's a little bit of snow in there. So it's like. Is it. Is it a shifter?
Natalie Jean
I was trying to remember if somebody else smelled like snow and embers in the other books.
Jackie Zabrowski
Specifically, I can't remember. I just know pine and snow is my forever. Rowan.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, you're right.
Jackie Zabrowski
And he's my forever.
Natalie Jean
I know. Ow. Just stub my toe. Sorry.
Jackie Zabrowski
It sounded like I hit you. It sounded like. Stop. Natalie. Natalie. Don't agree with me.
Natalie Jean
We're not gonna have this table for much longer, so my toes will be safe.
Jackie Zabrowski
Thank God.
Natalie Jean
Ethan read. Ethan feels rage at realizing this is a wolf trapped in this. This tank, this prison, this coffin, and demands to know what pack would allow her to be sold like this. She explains that her parents and siblings were not part of a pack, almost sounding like they had been exiled. For some reason, her abilities showed up around the age of three, and they sold her to the astronomer in order to feed their family. He's aghast to know that she has been in the tank, according to her, since the age of four. Even more so when she tells him she has no idea how old she is or how many years she's been in there.
Jackie Zabrowski
There.
Natalie Jean
She could be hundreds of years old for all either of them know. She has never, on top of that, been given a name. And as he pries further, she seems to get alarmed and tells him to leave. So she starts to give up this information about herself when he realizes that she's a wolf. But then when she realizes that she's saying a little too much and maybe, like, revealing too much and would put her in danger, she says, like, don't worry about it. I'm fine. Get out. There's no way for her to leave. She's sold, she's contracted. There's magic, you know, imbued in all of it.
Jackie Zabrowski
That's it.
Natalie Jean
And he argues with her, and she returns with a little bit of an attitude.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, I would. I'd be like, I mean, bro, I'm telling you what's going on.
Natalie Jean
And technically, Ethan sees that as a positive. He sees it as a wolfie trait. Like, she has some fire in her.
Jackie Zabrowski
Still, and it's the embers.
Natalie Jean
In fact, in that moment, he gets the sense that she's actually not only a wolf, but an Alpha. That's. This makes him sick, seeing an Alpha trapped in a tank. Though she's telling him to leave, it's giving the sense not that she wants to stay in this tank because she loves it, but because she knows she's trapped in it in many ways. Ethan gives her his name and tells her to call for him somehow if she ever wants to leave. She doesn't say no. She kind of just nods at him. Like, as in, okay, maybe she will consider this. But Ethan is frustrated in this moment. He knows he can't pull her out. Even though he's, like, really thinking about doing it. He's. He decides to act on impulse. Usually this is irritating with Ethan, but this time, I'm with him. Yes, he walks over to the soft glow of the container holding the astronomers rings which he apparently doesn't risk wearing out and about.
Jackie Zabrowski
I get it. He's probably got a good insurance out on him though. Or maybe he doesn't and that's why he doesn't wear them out. Maybe. Think about that astronomer.
Natalie Jean
Maybe it is a crime and he's like hiding it a little. Who knows?
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, yeah, they are prisoners but at the same time their fire sprites are not seen, you know, as people.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. The mystics warns Ethan as she sees him walking towards those rings that the astronomer will kill him if he takes them. But just, he just essentially calls her bluff and calls his bluff saying okay, good. The old good. Okay, go sue me. Go ahead.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean at this point they're like. It's like the list of how many people want to kill Ethan is just growing longer and longer. So it's like what does it matter?
Natalie Jean
Also. Yeah, for sure. That. And I think he's also saying, yeah, I'm doing something wrong. But that would mean the astronomer would need to go to the judicial judicial system. And if that's the case, the prime will find out there's an alpha wolf in here and it will be the astronomer's ass.
Jackie Zabrowski
And I will not like that.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, you are giving a little magician.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, it's whatever I'm giving. It's very untrustworthy. I do feel that I would not go to this person for advice. It's stupid.
Natalie Jean
It's.
Jackie Zabrowski
Man, you know what? If you're having a bad stupid day, go get a stupid mustache and spirit gum it to your face and keep it on. It's just so. Because then when you can't laugh then it just makes you want to laugh and it might put it a smile on your face because I feel so stupid.
Natalie Jean
No, you're good. Cut over to Therian. As he stands slash floats once again before his aloof, menacing queen.
Jackie Zabrowski
You're very good at being the menacing queen.
Natalie Jean
She's sitting in coral this time weaving nettle which I assume is supposed to look like her knitting.
Jackie Zabrowski
Cute.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. I also want to just have thrones made out of different like art objects like this. Like everywhere in the sea is like her throne. Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
But you're never comfortable and you're always kind of like out. Oh, oh, I'm fine.
Natalie Jean
I think because she's an elemental and she can kind of float. She can kind of just like be around it. Just like it's just about giving the vibes. Love this. I actually get a vibe from her the way she acts, she reminds me of the cat. Not to say that really.
Jackie Zabrowski
Like with the weaving and it's just. But it's like honestly, it's a better hobby than the smoking and all the hookah and.
Natalie Jean
And the like aloofness and just sitting like, like. And who are you?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yes.
Natalie Jean
He has just informed her of the intel in this scene that Pippa Espetsos will be at the island with the mech suits. And because their interest lies with a meal, not the suits, he asks her for Blue Court backup to interrogate Pippa. So he's explaining that they're going to the island and he. They don't care about the biomech suits. They want the boy. That's what the River Queen wants. At least he. Thean is doing her bidding. And so he's like, can I have some backup? She says, no, no. She tells shocked Tharion. Because he's like, what you? This is what you want? She says she doesn't want to have the Blue Court implicated in any funny business. And a bunch of Blue Court people go to the island. They're going to start a different feud with Opion. And she also points out, I know about all your little land friends. They can go with you. They can go and be your little backup. It's not going to be my people. Otherwise. Darian's on his own. She's definitely giving him a little bit of also punishments here.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean always. She can never, never. Not everything she has to say has to be barbed in some manner.
Natalie Jean
Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
Good Lord.
Natalie Jean
She's being a smother a little bit. Regardless of all that, she had better get that info from Pippa. A shaken Therian suggests that some people might assume the River Queen is trying to get him killed.
Jackie Zabrowski
Slowly. So slowly the River Queen turned from her weaving. He could have sworn a tremor went through the riverbed. But her voice was dangerously smooth as she said then defend my honor against.
Natalie Jean
Such slander and return alive.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, it's a fun play.
Natalie Jean
It is.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean if there is one way to really show that you're strong.
Natalie Jean
Yeah, she's.
Jackie Zabrowski
She's being underwater bitch like. Like we always have come to expect. But you know, she's looking out for herself.
Natalie Jean
Got to. Sometimes it's hot out there.
Jackie Zabrowski
And also she doesn't. It's like you don't really care if Tharion dies. And yet I don't see any other mer up here that are at the front lines trying to figure this shit out, dude.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. She is also not accepting that he's Like a valuable asset. And he is right.
Jackie Zabrowski
What are you gonna do if he's gone?
Natalie Jean
I don't know. But Tharion's resigned to what she said. He can't do anything about it. And he swims away wondering if he's about to die, silently hoping he can prevent his queen from using Emile. So even though he's doing this job, he doesn't want to bring Emil back. So he's like, hopefully I don't find him. Cut over to Ruhn. There's a lot of people in this chapter, if you haven't noticed. We're all in the one chapter, so.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, yeah, we cut over to Ruhn.
Natalie Jean
Who is on the brain bridge, looking at Daybright. Their chairs from last time have now become certainly not more sensual velvet couches. It's very. Not officer office chair.
Jackie Zabrowski
What are you talking about? We've gotten rid of all the computer chairs, and we only have Shays now. It takes up a lot of room. It's very impractical, but honestly, it's the only way if we're not being over dramatic. I. I can't even hear what Natalie's saying unless she's. Yeah, quaffed. You know, having the vapors.
Natalie Jean
Certainly awkward with the. The office employees.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, we're like on the chase. Katie. Or you on the chase.
Natalie Jean
Can hear you. On the chase. Day tries to keep it business, but immediately folds, accusing Rune of flirting with her. They are so ridiculous.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. Brain bridge is heating up.
Natalie Jean
Roon says, no, I'm not. But then he concedes after like 3 seconds and instantly asks her to give him a punishment.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, good Lord.
Natalie Jean
If intergalactic mind space had rooms, I'd say go get one.
Jackie Zabrowski
I mean, they're in one.
Natalie Jean
Is this a room?
Jackie Zabrowski
They are. I assume. You know, it's probably. You do have to pay by the hour. It's expensive to maintain a brain bridge.
Natalie Jean
It is expensive. That's true. They go on flirting, sort of like high schoolers. And he's like, what kind of punishments do you like? Restraints? Floggings? And then she kind of. She's like, no, I don't care for any of that. In.
Jackie Zabrowski
In bed. What do you like?
Natalie Jean
It's like, okay, I guess you were not talking plans anymore. Oh.
Jackie Zabrowski
Bye.
Natalie Jean
They coyly try to figure things out about each other without revealing too much. Because again, they. Even though they're flirting, they can't reveal personal stuff about their lives. It's like love is blind.
Jackie Zabrowski
It's just like it. And I imagine that's the One.
Natalie Jean
There are different rooms, right?
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, yeah. They. Where they don't do any background checks on them. And then it's so crazy when people are like, oh, my God, these guys are. Are all assaulters. And it's like, oh, wow, maybe we should have looked at that.
Natalie Jean
Nah, nah, they don't got to. What's that, Sue? What are you gonna do? Have people be not criminals?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah.
Natalie Jean
So they're doing these, like, coy questioning. She seems surprised and a little afraid when he guesses that she comes from house of sky and breath. She doesn't affirm that she does, but instead asks why he believes that. He explains that she's like the wind. He does say, you remind me of the wind.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. And he's also dressed like this. And she's like, I am not into it. Oh.
Natalie Jean
Oh, no. He revealed himself through the nights. Yep, Yep. The beard made it through the stars. God.
Jackie Zabrowski
Just the beard. And she's like, oh, that's your only season.
Natalie Jean
You have a long, pointy beard. Okay. Unexpected. Are you committed to that, or would you like.
Jackie Zabrowski
I'll do anything, baby.
Natalie Jean
So, yeah, he says this, and he says that she seems, like, powerful or unable to cool and freeze without a thought.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God. It's like you're so strong, and so I don't even like. It's like he doesn't even know if she's beautiful or not. On. He just knows her strength.
Natalie Jean
He also tells her it seems like a lonely place to be. She gets quiet and then thanks him for seeing her. Oh, brother.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God.
Natalie Jean
Thank you for seeing me. But it's even more special because you can't see how voluptuous I am. Maybe.
Jackie Zabrowski
Maybe. I don't know.
Natalie Jean
He watches her and gets special feelings.
Jackie Zabrowski
Although I do feel like this is kind of like Love is Blind where you know that on Love is Blind, like, they're not actually going to try and hire anyone that looks any different or any or any uniqueness. For the most point, it's still just like, sure. How. What? Like, if I'm attracted to the kind of hot you are. Is essentially right. Love is Blind is.
Natalie Jean
Yeah. And ew.
Jackie Zabrowski
You're not my exact kind of hot.
Natalie Jean
Well, ew, also, you shouldn't try to get married to somebody immediately anyway. It's kind of like, on you a little bit, you know, if you're going.
Jackie Zabrowski
On the show, I think it's good. I think it proves loyalty in a way that, like, me as a wolf, I respect.
Natalie Jean
Oh, as a wolf, I get that.
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah, I get that.
Natalie Jean
So he gets feelings after she thanks him and then realizes, oh, we can't just be here flirting. I have important information to tell you. He reports that the. The spine hit was successful and that the suits. The mech suits are being taken to the land near Lunathean called the Coronal Islands. And she seems concerned by this. And he thinks about how Cormac had asked Hun to go look at the suits, bringing Bryce into it. So, basically, as he's revealing this information he's having, he's reviewing the thoughts that he had about saying, hey, these biomech suits that the Asteri built, we got them off the spy and we're sending them over to this island with Rufian. And how he now is going with Cormac because Cormac asked Hunt to go look at the suits because he's an expert, which means Bryce is going.
Jackie Zabrowski
So much. This is all one chapter.
Natalie Jean
Yes. Which means Bryce is going. Which means Rune is going to go, because Bryce is going.
Jackie Zabrowski
Runes on the brain bridge. And he's.
Natalie Jean
But then. But now he's not telling her that. He's just thinking about how that's going to happen. And because she doesn't know who he is. Ethan, neck suits.
Jackie Zabrowski
Okay.
Natalie Jean
Mech suits. Yep. And in that plan that he's going over in his mind, Ethan, Declan and Flynn are remaining behind for monitoring and so that there are fewer bodies going to the island that could be, you know, perceived. Back in the moment with Day, she begins to pepper him with questions about the mission, about Pippa Spetzos.
Jackie Zabrowski
It's a Pippa Pepper.
Natalie Jean
It's a Pippa Pepper. He still wants to flirt, however, and asks if it's because she's worried about him. She laughs and is like, nigh down. But then in that moment, gasps and doubles over as if in pain. He calls out to her Day, but after a moment, she blinks out.
Jackie Zabrowski
He didn't think. Launching over the fainting couch, he sprinted down her end of the bridge into the dark and night, flinging himself after her, Rune slammed into a wall of black adamant. Time slowed, bringing with it flashes of sensation. No images. All touch.
Natalie Jean
Ew. Who had an adamant wall? You remember.
Jackie Zabrowski
My dick.
Natalie Jean
Your dick has an adamant wall?
Jackie Zabrowski
Yeah. Better watch out.
Natalie Jean
Yikes.
Jackie Zabrowski
I see a bad wolf rising.
Natalie Jean
Do you remember?
Jackie Zabrowski
No.
Natalie Jean
Just saying. So, Ruhn is shocked by this interaction.
Jackie Zabrowski
Wait, so it's. Wait a second. So that. Does that mean it's Rune's Adamant wall?
Natalie Jean
No, it's Daz. Okay, yeah, Interesting. I know, I know. Maybe where your mind's going. It's. We'll see.
Jackie Zabrowski
You never know what I am thinking. I don't.
Natalie Jean
I really don't.
Jackie Zabrowski
So I'm gonna start putting on facial hair every day.
Natalie Jean
Do it. I think it's cute. I love it. He has never invaded someone's thoughts before. Wasn't even sure if he could because he's never tried. It's an invasion of privacy, which he has mentioned before. But he knew his family on Cormac side were fond of doing it. So people who have his genetics, who are baddies, do go into people's brains all the time. He did it this time based on pure instinct to, like, try to save her from something that she was pained over. But he realizes when he does that he's present for a very aggressive sexual encounter. Stunned at it, he retreats back to the bridge. He. In his mind, he's thinking about how it was consensual. At least he got the feeling it was. But it was not entirely pleasant and sort of empty. He mulls over this startling, unexpected bit of intimacy that he just experienced.
Jackie Zabrowski
He had no idea why he waited, why he stayed, why, had no idea how much time passed until a flame once more emerged from that wall. Her fire had banked enough that he could make out long legs walking toward him, halting upon finding him kneeling. Then she dropped to her knees as well, flame again, swallowing her whole.
Natalie Jean
Whoa.
Jackie Zabrowski
Seems like a bit of an intense time on the brain bridge.
Natalie Jean
There's a lot of stuff that just happened. And he's waiting for her in this sort of prone position. And she returns to him after this interaction, meaning she wanted to go see him after this, whatever just happened. And she tells him that she is okay. He tries to press her a little, but she keeps shutting it down. She doesn't want to talk about what just happened. He points out that she didn't seem to like. She didn't seem to like very much what just happened. She didn't enjoy it. She snaps that it was consensual. They both sit there silently for a time. Then she decides to reveal something to him that is significant. She tells Ruhn that she hates whomever she just had sex with, that she's disgusted by him, but that no one knows. That is a lot of private information. He asks her more about him, but she says she doesn't want to talk about it. He tells her he was worried because she sounded like she was in pain. She tells him not to get caught up in concerns about the others during these missions, but she's also backpedaling every other sentence. He keeps lightening her spy talk. And she. He's like. Basically, she's trying to, like, change it back to no, we're just. We're just spies together. I don't think about you and you can't of me.
Jackie Zabrowski
We're just on the brain bridge. We're just on the bridge.
Natalie Jean
But he keeps trying to lighten the talk and, like, turn it back to him. A more like intimate friendship kind of talk. And she's sort of letting him. It's giving Rune serious downstairs feelings. She tells him she's going back to her body to give her mind some rest.
Jackie Zabrowski
Rest.
Natalie Jean
He tells her, why don't you just stay here and rest? She's like, can I just stay? And he's like, relax here. They're on the bridge already. You know, you're already sleeping in your body.
Jackie Zabrowski
We've got these shades here.
Natalie Jean
She's like, okay, why? He's like, I like being around you. He tells her he feels calm when she's around. She tells him he talks like he's handsome. Oh, my God, you guys are so freaking ridiculous. In other words, arrogant. But she stays. She lays down on her couch and Rune flops on his lamenting the lack of TV and beer. She laughs and calls him in. Quote, typical Volbaren male.
Jackie Zabrowski
Rune closed his eyes, bathing in the timber of her voice.
Natalie Jean
You gotta work on those compliments day.
Jackie Zabrowski
Another chuckle. Sleepier this time.
Natalie Jean
I'll add it to my to do list.
Jackie Zabrowski
Night. Oh, my God. It's cute. On the brain bridge.
Natalie Jean
That was all one chapter. It's good.
Jackie Zabrowski
All the brain.
Natalie Jean
All of everything we just covered today was one single chapter. So it was a long one, though. So we got through a little chunk of the book.
Jackie Zabrowski
And it was. And it was. And it was a big, thick. You know, this is setting up a lot. We are now moving into everything. Everything's churning right now. And this is all of the different, different churns starting to churn together.
Natalie Jean
Oh, it's gonna be a big old Crescent City butter. Yeah, baby. Yeah.
Jackie Zabrowski
Get it, y'. All. Anyway, work on them forearm strength. Cause we've got some dick and dick and dick and dicking to do.
Natalie Jean
Oh, my God. I don't know about this personality. That's what.
Jackie Zabrowski
You don't like me like this?
Natalie Jean
I don't know. I. I'm not. I haven't decided yet.
Jackie Zabrowski
Let me out on the bridge.
Natalie Jean
Call me an undecided voter.
Jackie Zabrowski
Oh, my God.
Natalie Jean
The worst kind.
Jackie Zabrowski
Please read up until chapter 45 for next week.
Natalie Jean
Ra.
Episode 22: Nootchie Poochie
Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Natalie Jean & Jackie Zebrowski
In this episode, Natalie Jean and Jackie Zebrowski take listeners through Chapter 42 of House of Sky and Breath by Sarah J. Maas, in their ongoing “deep dive” into the Crescent City series. The duo brings their signature irreverent humor, blending insightful analysis of character arcs and plot developments with playful banter, costume reveals, and tangential pop-culture commentary. As always, they keep the vibe inclusive and delightfully unfiltered while breaking down pivotal moments in the book, focusing on friendship dynamics, power plays, and steamy encounters.
| Time | Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:03 | Costume reveals, Leatherface mermaid tangent | | 07:10 | Gatekeeping & fandoms banter | | 08:27 | Jackie bases her RPG vampire on Bryce—promo moment | | 11:16 | Juniper’s text, confrontation about promotion | | 16:15 | Bryce’s meeting with Celestina over Hunt | | 25:53 | Fury advises Bryce on damage control with Juniper | | 29:31 | Bryce & Hunt’s steamy reunion in the barracks | | 31:47 | Dorm sex & adult college anecdotes | | 37:43 | Ethan’s call from the Prime, offer of Alpha status | | 47:00 | Mystic’s origin story—the tragedy of the tank | | 55:11 | Therian and the River Queen, political refusal | | 58:59 | Ruhn and Daybright, Brain Bridge intimacy & revelation | | 71:08 | Chapter wrap-up, final thoughts, tease for the next episode |
The episode is candid, goofy, and packed with coarse, loving sarcasm. Natalie and Jackie maintain a conversational, comedic approach but aren’t afraid to dwell on serious issues like friendship boundaries, trauma, class politics, and found family. Their language oscillates from sassy stream-of-consciousness to perceptive literary insight, always keeping things approachable for Crescent City diehards and casual listeners alike.
Next Reading Assignment:
Read up to Chapter 45 for next week’s episode!
Sample Outro
“Work on them forearm strength ‘cause we've got some dick and dick and dick and dicking to do.” (Jackie, 71:46)
For fans or those new to the series, this summary captures the wild blend of Crescent City's drama and the hosts’ infectious, off-the-wall personality.