First look at the WICKED part 2 trailer! | Mickey-Jo and Aeron James' reaction and analysis of the Wicked For Good trailer

Summary

Podcast Summary: MickeyJoTheatre - "First Look at the WICKED Part 2 Trailer!"

Introduction and Context

In the June 5, 2025 episode of MickeyJoTheatre, host Mickey Jo and guest Erin James delve into the highly anticipated release of the "Wicked Part 2" trailer, officially titled "Wicked for Good". As leading voices in theatre criticism, Mickey-Jo and Erin provide a comprehensive reaction and analysis of the trailer, capturing their genuine first-time responses and in-depth discussions about the sequel's potential impact on the Wicked universe.

Anticipation for the Trailer

The episode begins with Mickey Jo and Erin expressing their excitement and surprise at receiving their premiere code green notification for the trailer while attending a Broadway show in New York City.

[00:00] Mickey Jo: "Would you believe that we would get our first code green of 2025 while we were here in New York City?"

[00:07] Erin James: "It literally happened like six minutes after we got out of the show."

They highlight the strategic timing of the trailer release, coinciding with the Tony Awards—hosted by Cynthia Erivo, one of the film's stars alongside Ariana Grande.

[02:04] Mickey Jo: "This is which Cynthia Erivo is hosting. That's why we're in New York right now."

Comparison to Wicked Part 1

Mickey Jo reflects on the success of Wicked Part 1, praising its faithfulness to the stage musical by retaining all songs and adding depth without altering the core narrative.

[03:06] Mickey Jo: "If you want to relive the Wizamania, that was last year and the release of Wicked Part 1. I have several videos here on my channel, including one that breaks down the differences between the first act of the stage musical and the first film."

Initial Reactions to the Trailer

Upon starting the trailer, Mickey Jo and Erin meticulously dissect each scene, noting visual elements, character appearances, and new settings that hint at the sequel's expansion of the Wicked storyline.

[04:45] Mickey Jo: "My name is Mickey Jo. I'm obsessed with all things theater."

[04:48] Erin James: "I'm Erin James. I'm his stagey fiance."

Detailed Analysis of Trailer Scenes

The duo goes through the trailer frame by frame, discussing key moments such as Glinda's wedding, the introduction of new characters like the lion, and changes in character dynamics. They analyze costume designs, setting details, and potential plot developments that bridge the gap between Wicked and The Wizard of Oz.

[07:15] Mickey Jo: "She's not in pink."

[07:18] Erin James: "That's a no to the blue dress in the stage show."

[14:09] Mickey Jo: "Straight away we're seeing. This is interesting because the shot of Fierro in the hat that I said wasn't really working for him. And it's Jonathan Bailey."

Theories and Speculation

Mickey Jo and Erin present several theories regarding the trailer's content, including the integration of Wizard of Oz elements, the role of Glinda, and the narrative trajectory of Elphaba. They debate the timing and placement of new songs, the introduction of new plot points, and how these changes might affect the overall story arc.

[30:30] Erin James: "My theory is Glinda. Glinda. It's Glinda who. When she does all the things she does. No spoilers."

[35:20] Mickey Jo: "I think it's gonna be earlier. I think the new songs are earlier because the second act material inherently feels like late stage plot."

Impact on Storytelling and Plot

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around how Wicked for Good will adapt the second act of the musical while incorporating elements from The Wizard of Oz. They express concerns about potential plot condensation and the challenges of maintaining narrative coherence with the addition of iconic Wizard of Oz scenes.

[27:35] Mickey Jo: "If you know, then you know."

[29:10] Erin James: "And maybe the whole thing of seeing that is that I wonder if there's a tension in it that you don't know she's gonna get back quick enough."

Character Development and New Elements

The hosts explore the development of characters such as Fiyero and Glinda, examining how their relationships and individual arcs might evolve in the sequel. They also discuss the introduction of new characters and settings, anticipating how these additions will enrich the Wicked narrative.

[16:17] Mickey Jo: "I was joking. But is that literally a zoetrope?"

[24:29] Mickey Jo: "Now, here's the shot I saw that threw me. When we saw the Rainbow Pride Month wizard rave that we later both decided is probably the song. Wonderful."

Concluding Thoughts

Mickey Jo and Erin wrap up the episode by reiterating their excitement for Wicked for Good and encouraging listeners to engage with their content for ongoing updates and discussions. They emphasize the seamless continuity between the first and second films and express optimism about the sequel's potential to expand the beloved Wicked universe.

[36:54] Erin James: "Yeah. They feel together. It feels like the. It doesn't feel like one of those films where they're going back where it's like being created a little bit after and they're trying to recreate that energy."

[37:09] Mickey Jo: "Yeah. So I don't think there needs to be a separate frame by Frame trailer breakdown. I think we've kind of talked through it all. Lots of questions arisen, a couple of working theories from us about changes that we might see to the storyline..."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Mickey Jo: "Would you believe that we would get our first code green of 2025 while we were here in New York City?" [00:00]
• Erin James: "Imagine if they'd done that as a surprise." [01:14]
• Mickey Jo: "This is gonna be our organic, genuine first time reaction." [03:06]
• Erin James: "My whole thing is like, does the timing of all the Wicked. Does the timings of all the wizard of Oz bits move?" [32:34]
• Mickey Jo: "They're gonna have to make that reveal a lot earlier." [27:24]

Conclusion

This episode of MickeyJoTheatre offers a thorough and engaging breakdown of the "Wicked for Good" trailer, blending immediate reactions with thoughtful analysis and speculative insights. Mickey Jo and Erin James successfully navigate the complexities introduced by the sequel, providing listeners with a nuanced understanding of what to expect from the next chapter in the Wicked saga. Whether you're a die-hard fan or new to the Wicked universe, this episode serves as an informative and entertaining guide to the latest developments in this beloved theatrical franchise.

Transcript

[Mickey Jo]

Would you believe that we would get our first code green of 2025 while we were here in New York City?

[Erin James]

It literally happened like six minutes after we got out of the show.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah, very on brand, very on brand for us to be at a Broadway show moments before the Wicked Part 2 trailer drops. But it's here, it's happening. Hello everybody. Nobody panic, but. Oh my God. Hey, welcome back to my theatre themed YouTube channel. Hello to you. If you're listening to this on podcast, are we gonna put this out on podcast platforms?

[Erin James]

I don't know.

[Mickey Jo]

At some time in the future you may be hearing this on podcast platforms and I don't wish to not say hello to you, but for now we are here on some sort of a visual medium social media app to talk about the fact that The Wicked Part 2, aka Wicked for Good trailer has just been released publicly. It had been shared at like a private little like a cinema convention.

[Erin James]

It's had multiple screenings, I think at conventions, but nothing public. And then today there was a special re screening of Wicked in cinemas which our friend Ashley Hufford was at one of them. And what happened was at the end of the film, they played the trailer for Part two and then for Wicked for Good. And then right after we released it for everyone.

[Mickey Jo]

Imagine if they'd done that as a surprise. And like I'm glad as a content creator talking about it, I'm particularly glad that they told me when it was going to happen. But imagine that like just the people who'd gone to the re release of Wicked, they were like, I. Oh, and by the way, here's the Part 2 trailer. That would have been a gag.

[Erin James]

I mean it would. But I felt like they wanted to get people's reactions.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. Before we even react to it as well. I will say, and we haven't watched this at all yet. We like walked briskly back here after the show and got pizza because when in New York. But we haven't looked at it at all. So this is gonna be our organic, genuine first time reaction. But what I wanted to say before then was there has been a lot of anticipation for this trailer trailer for a handful of reasons. One of them is it's dropping a whole lot later than the First Wicked Part 1 trailer dropped.

[Erin James]

This is a, this campaign starting really late. I mean, it's quite clever. It's landing on the same week of the Tonys.

[Mickey Jo]

Like this is which Cynthia Erivo is hosting. That's why we're in New York right now. Cynthia Erivo, of course, one of the Two stars of the Wicked film adaptations alongside Ariana Grande. Will Ariana appear at the Tonys? Will there be a Wicked nod? It's a possibility, yeah.

[Erin James]

This feels like a perfect kind of moment for it all to start. And I guess they had to wait anyhow because they were releasing the film on DVDs and then in physical media and on streaming.

[Mickey Jo]

And they don't have to build the campaign as early because the first one did really well. It's just like, oh, and here's another one. You don't need the same kind of build up.

[Erin James]

Yeah. And like now we're going to find out what they've changed everything like that.

[Mickey Jo]

Well, this is the other part of the anticipation is Part one was pretty, pretty true to the first act of the stage musical adaptation.

[Erin James]

They cut no songs.

[Mickey Jo]

They cut no songs. And we didn't have anything by way of added songs like we had. Like if you only have, if you.

[Erin James]

Only have like that moment, little bits of additions. Like we have the Idina Christa moment, which was new. That's probably the most new that we had in the whole film.

[Mickey Jo]

Worth saying, if you want to relive the Wizamania, that was last year and the release of Wicked Part 1. I have several videos here on my channel, including one that breaks down the differences between the first act of the stage musical and the first film. If this is news to you, somehow in the year of Our Green Lord 2025, Wicked, the stage musical is being adapted into two separate films. So Wicked Part 2, which has since been titled Wicked for Good, that is going to be the title, is going to adapt the second act of the musical. But there's not enough in that timing wise for how long. We know this film is going to be that it's going to be just that. There's going to have to be a lot of new material. So hence the anticipation.

[Erin James]

And in an article today, it was revealed that they both have one new song each.

[Mickey Jo]

Uh huh. Uh huh. Cynthia Rivo is a co writer on one of those songs. So listen, she's trying to get that Academy Award, she's trying to get that Oscar one way or another. I think it's time for us to finally watch the Wicked trailer. Feedback on last year's reaction was that you want to be able to see what we were seeing while we were seeing it. So we're gonna come up with a really low tech solution to that right now because I'm away from my usual tech setup and editing is a little bit challenging. But I don't Wanna let you. So I'm gonna hold one here. Here maybe so that you can see what we're seeing.

[Erin James]

Maybe don't hold it forward. Cause you're gonna be looking down at this.

[Mickey Jo]

I'm gonna look like that. If you hold it slightly closer up. Just bring it higher. Yeah, yeah, that'll do. Okay. We're great at this. Very professional YouTubers. Speaking of which, I haven't introduced myself. My name is Mickey Jo. I'm obsessed with all things theater.

[Erin James]

I'm Erin James. I'm his stagey fiance.

[Mickey Jo]

There you go. We're about to react to Wicked Part 2. 3, 2, 1. Here it is. That's the little cracked window moment that they shared as a teaser.

[Erin James]

Okay, so Glinda's now got the big.

[Mickey Jo]

Top bit and a blowout. Not the monkeys.

[Erin James]

So monkeys still aren't with Elphaba.

[Mickey Jo]

Good point. We saw the chair. We saw the bubbly throne. Oh, it's no good deed. Treehouse.

[Erin James]

Yeah.

[Mickey Jo]

Propaganda.

[Erin James]

Oh, that's fun. It's like in the woods. Oh, March of the Witch hunters.

[Mickey Jo]

Here's the monkeys. Oh, Morable letting her head.

[Erin James]

And. Oh, Fiera.

[Mickey Jo]

That hat's not working for him.

[Erin James]

Oh, that's the moment where.

[Mickey Jo]

Where we're hearing no good deed Echoey. We saw that moment. Yellow break in the first trailer.

[Erin James]

Our wizard lies.

[Mickey Jo]

Tell him.

[Erin James]

Oh, we saw animals in the background then. Like a book.

[Mickey Jo]

Oh, the actual torches. The green, the pink. Oh, I'm not ready for full. Good.

[Erin James]

Oh, and going up to the top holding the Grimory.

[Mickey Jo]

That's what we thought it was.

[Erin James]

That's from Galinda. Was that invitation to the wedding. And she didn't know.

[Mickey Jo]

We're gonna have to go back and look at that.

[Erin James]

Yeah.

[Mickey Jo]

This poppy shot that we still never saw.

[Erin James]

I think. I think the poppy shots in one of the two new songs. And that's why we don't. Oh, wedding.

[Mickey Jo]

The wedding.

[Erin James]

We get to the wedding. Dorothy.

[Mickey Jo]

Dorothy and friends.

[Erin James]

Literally Dorothy and friends.

[Mickey Jo]

Wizard disco.

[Erin James]

Oh. Oh. Flying on a broomstick.

[Mickey Jo]

Very Ann. Juliet. It's the horse. The horse. We saw a better shot. The horse.

[Erin James]

Okay. There they are. There's the four. There's.

[Mickey Jo]

That. Our biggest reaction.

[Erin James]

Nope. That's a moment when so many animals. All the animals. I wonder if they'll be similar animals from part one to Fly.

[Mickey Jo]

Fly. You're the only friend I ever had. Different outfit. Where? The outfitting. The outfitting.

[Erin James]

Iridescent. Yeah. That's more like the blue dress.

[Mickey Jo]

She's not in pink.

[Erin James]

That's a no to the blue dress in the stage show.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. What is this?

[Erin James]

Oh, I know what it is.

[Mickey Jo]

Is it wonderful?

[Erin James]

It's wonderful.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. But was Glinda there?

[Erin James]

Oh, it is.

[Mickey Jo]

That looks like pod racing. Two bits of that look like Star wars to me. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So big picture. There's no like huge, substantial, revelatory departure.

[Erin James]

They hide NASA.

[Mickey Jo]

They do hide Nessa, although they do. They hit her in the first trailer as well, the first film.

[Erin James]

But they show the moment of Elphaba finding Nessa.

[Mickey Jo]

They do.

[Erin James]

That's what they Yellow.

[Mickey Jo]

We should resist spoilers. Yes, we should. We should err away from spoilers. But a lot of people have seen Wicked at this point. There are also a lot of people out there who are going to see Wicked the musical and are leaving before act two because they don't want spoilers for part two of the film.

[Erin James]

Actually leaving before act two.

[Mickey Jo]

People are doing it. It's happening.

[Erin James]

People know.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. We're gonna scan through briefly because there's some stuff that we need to look back on. But my overall impression is to be excited. I've heard a couple of negative Nancy's being like, act two. Like act two, Part two is gonna flop. Part two isn't gonna be. And I was like, what part of John M. Chu's beautiful, thorough expansion world building artistry of the first act, like the first film that didn't. That wasn't all given to him. He like fleshed out all of those characters so wonderfully in a way that musical theater happy with, felt faithful, felt new. Paid homage simultaneously to the musical and the wizard of Oz. But also new fans were happy with.

[Erin James]

I'm also like, the next film has for good and no good deed in it. And like it also has some of the best songs of Wicked.

[Mickey Jo]

Thank goodness.

[Erin James]

Yeah. Like it's got so many moments in it. And also for like anybody that doesn't know Wicked well, Part two is the wizard of Oz.

[Mickey Jo]

Like, yes.

[Erin James]

Wicked for good is your wizard of Oz. Like you are going to see how this story about Elphaba and Glinda fully fits in with the wizard of Oz. That's exciting because the musical doesn't get to go that in depth of the parallels and how it all links in.

[Mickey Jo]

Correct.

[Erin James]

This is going to be exciting.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah.

[Erin James]

And I'm already. There's already certain moments of this where I'm like, that veers away from the stage production straight away. Like all the animals we do not see in wizard in Wicked.

[Mickey Jo]

Monkeys and one goat.

[Erin James]

Yeah, well, no, it's not In Wicked Act 1, you see a lot of different animals.

[Mickey Jo]

Yes.

[Erin James]

And then none of them. But none of them.

[Mickey Jo]

I mean, that moment of, like, the liberating them from the wizard.

[Erin James]

Yeah. But I think. Don't even think it's. Then I think that's later on because. Because she's freed the monkeys. And then you see Dylan, like. Like in. In Wicked, you don't. You don't see really any of the other inclinations. And I don't think that moment is in that moment in Wicked. I think that's later on.

[Mickey Jo]

I. I think it comes at the end of Wonderful is like the. Because it shows her on one condition. You let those monkeys go. And then she sees, like. And then again, I don't want to give too many plot spoilers away. While we're talking about other obvious deviations, we saw a clip of them doing the For Good dialogue, which is, you're the only friend I ever had. And I've had so many friends, but only one that really mattered. And they're not wearing the final outfits because normally For Good takes place in, you know the name of the castle.

[Erin James]

I do. Which is Fiero's family castle.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. Yeah. But they never use. Because they stay in the other castle.

[Erin James]

But they also. In this, we get a whole area that we've never seen in the musical as well.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah.

[Erin James]

Which is vaguely in as long as you're mine, but never, like, designated as a place, which is wherever Alphabet is in the forest.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah.

[Erin James]

This whole new area is. That's completely new for this film.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. What's your. Before we go too much into the detail in the minutia, what's your overall first impression of the trailer?

[Erin James]

It has been intrigued. I don't think it's answered many of my questions, but it's got me intrigued. I feel like it's kind of proven that we're going to go to places that we've not been before. Like, it's showing Glinda's wedding. Thank goodness, never goes as far as the wedding.

[Mickey Jo]

I'm curious about this very first scene we see in the trailer where Glinda is in the dress that's like an undergarment, which feels like she's getting ready for a ball or a wedding of some description, because it's a dress you wear underneath another dress. But also you can see her bubble thrown in the background. And normally, the first time Elphaba acknowledges the bubble thrown, they're not on good terms because she says to her, we can't all come and go by bubble. Who invented that? Anyway, the Wizard. I'm sure even if he didn't, he'd claim that. Who knew? I knew so much dialogue from the second act. But. So that already is speaking to like, I think this scene is before that. And yet she's seeing the bubble there. So things are going to have to have changed. Raoul.

[Erin James]

I wonder if this scene is to do with the wedding because I think a bit later on we see Elphaba with an invitation and I wonder whether Glinda invited Elphaba to the wedding.

[Mickey Jo]

I say all of this. There is a little bit of like Damonte detailing on the top of this. So it might not be an undergarment, it just kind of looks like one. But Paul Tazewell is coming for that next consecutive Academy Award and the Tony Award next weekend. We've got.

[Erin James]

It's this whole new world. It's like. It's like a willow tree. It gives a full vibe of like a willow tree. How a willow tree goes up, across and back down.

[Mickey Jo]

The way she bursts in there and tears the hat off. Do you think she's doing no Good Deed because the color palette of this room is all a bit bright for no Good Deed.

[Erin James]

Oh, but it might be the new song. But it also could be because let.

[Mickey Jo]

Us not forget the new songs.

[Erin James]

I mean, no Good Deed I think is already at Kemuko in the timing.

[Mickey Jo]

But she's doing something there. She's working on some such. Oh yeah, I think this could be the new song.

[Erin James]

Yeah, it could be the new song.

[Mickey Jo]

Do you know what a gay gag it would be if they put in like some lyrically reworked version of Making Good?

[Erin James]

Oh, that would be interesting.

[Mickey Jo]

I'll be Making Good. If you don't know, that's the pre wizard and I Alphabet act when I want song.

[Erin James]

Oh, they give away a very key moment of act two.

[Mickey Jo]

Do they indeed.

[Erin James]

So the moment that you see Morrible, you see exactly what she just created out the window.

[Mickey Jo]

Oh, you do? You do indeed.

[Erin James]

They are 190% not hiding Morrible's intentions. Nor that's quite actually interesting that somebody. If you watch a trailer, you'll be able to figure out the connection with Morrible and the wizard of Oz.

[Mickey Jo]

Uh huh. Straight away we're seeing. This is interesting because the shot of Fierro in the hat that I said wasn't really working for him. And it's Jonathan Bailey. He can make it. We'll all be wearing these hats next summer. Just you watch. Peep my Jonathan Bailey Fiero highlights trendsetter here does it not look like the guards are doing choreo explicitly.

[Erin James]

Oh, yeah, I see that.

[Mickey Jo]

That could be like, we love you, Glinda, if we may be so. Thank. Thank goodness.

[Erin James]

That would make sense because he is in that scene. And so right after that, they go to a moment with Fierro in the woodlands and he's like.

[Mickey Jo]

They do.

[Erin James]

That looks like the cat fight moment.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah, I think that I.

[Erin James]

But it can't be.

[Mickey Jo]

Here's my. No, here's my thing. I have a theory. I have a theory, because normally in the stage version. And again, if you don't want wicked spoilers for the stage musical or the film, this is probably not the video for you to be watching, because we are going to talk about it in the stage version. He's already fled with Elphaba and he swings on. What if there's a world in which he hasn't publicly seceded yet, but he's met up with her? No, because I guess the wizard would have to know. I wonder if the guards still think he's still with them and it's at this moment that he turns. I wonder if there's some way there's clumsy storytelling leading up to that, but I wonder if there's something to that.

[Erin James]

Yeah. Because I wonder if they're trying to figure out how to make it clearer, how that whole.

[Mickey Jo]

Or if it's just a moment of him, like, hunting her in a scene earlier before. Because this also doesn't really look like Munchkinland.

[Erin James]

No, this seems like where her forest area is.

[Mickey Jo]

Why is Jeff Goldblum as the wizard looking at a. Is that a Zoetrope?

[Erin James]

Well, he was in that kind of world when he was doing the. Walt Disney showing everything that he was doing with his inventions. I think that is because of great big beautiful tomorrow. And I think this is a clue to who he represents in wizard of Oz at the start, where it's the. In Professor Marvel in Earth, and he's created the little inventions and he looks at it, and the zoetrope is like one of those Marvels that.

[Mickey Jo]

I was joking. But is that literally a zoetrope?

[Erin James]

Yeah, that's a Zoetrope.

[Mickey Jo]

I thought I was being silly.

[Erin James]

No, I think that's fully him looking in a zoetrope.

[Mickey Jo]

I do love that Universal and one of their biggest film releases is just being like, do you know who the real villain of this is? That was never the Wicked. It's Walt Disney. I do think there's something very unironically, very funny about that. And I don't necessarily know what I'm seeing in this next shot. General, like wizardism.

[Erin James]

So when looking at the kind of march of the witch hunters section that looks like either shiz or the Emerald City, but it might be shiz.

[Mickey Jo]

You think that's Chiz?

[Erin James]

It's not Munchkinland.

[Mickey Jo]

It's. Everyone's dressed like it's the Emerald City because look at all these greens.

[Erin James]

Because if you look, there's just very big green. Like there's very big pillars.

[Mickey Jo]

What do we think this is with Ariana in this outfit?

[Erin James]

That is.

[Mickey Jo]

Because that almost looks like. Thank goodness. Because the way they're dressed, like they're gonna go like some terrible green blizzard throughout the land. She flies. But Fiora and the guards was very clearly in Emerald City.

[Erin James]

It also vaguely.

[Mickey Jo]

This is magic inland.

[Erin James]

This could be the weird thing where it's the ending and suddenly she's not in the same dress as she was at the start.

[Mickey Jo]

She's got like four or five different outfits that I can't quite attribute to different. Because in Wicked, the second act, she wears like three different dresses. And there's a lot more happening here.

[Erin James]

Oh, unless the pri. Oh, I think I know what this is. I think they are doing. They might do the wizard of Oz scene with Dorothy.

[Mickey Jo]

That's Fallen House. That's the cat fight.

[Erin James]

But. But I feel like they might show it as in her. Their arrivals and stuff into the cat fight.

[Mickey Jo]

I agree, I agree. Because the cat fight in the. Should we call it a cat fight? Is that progressive. In the stage musical Wicked, it very much assumes that, you know, the conversation that just happened because they said, like, we have nothing else to say to each other. Like that moment is not them seeing each other for the first time. They've just done the whole scene with Dorothy. But this isn't. Look, this isn't Munchkin's. This is like dressed up dress.

[Erin James]

But they're in Munchkinland because you can see.

[Mickey Jo]

I know, but they're dressed for the ascot gavotte in My Fair Lady. This is. It's giving. Thank goodness. It's not giving. Dorothy arrives in Munchkinland.

[Erin James]

I don't know. But I also realized. I wonder how they're gonna do the timings. Because it could be the start. Like the very, very start. Before we even get to thank goodness.

[Mickey Jo]

There are such big questions if we are gonna see more of the wizard of Oz. Because you have the Wicked Witch of the West, AKA Elphaba, coming face to face with Dorothy and friends. And without saying Anymore. That means something very different in the context of Wicked, because we never really see it in Wicked the musical, but the Wicked Witch taunting the Scarecrow and the Tin man and the lion and Dorothy.

[Erin James]

The fact we've already seen the lion, AKA Brr. From his name in the books we see his face in that scene is already more than I expected us to see.

[Mickey Jo]

That was the biggest reaction that we had in this trailer. Kind of like when the baby Elphaba shot started to emerge.

[Erin James]

Because I'm already like, oh, my gosh. We actually might be getting a lot more of them. Like the lion story and the evolution. Like, I wonder if they put that in there, though, as well. Because for people that don't know Wicked and know the wizard of Oz, maybe for them, the revelation, the revelation of seeing the lion suddenly puts two and two together in their brain that the lion is the cub in part one.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah, I have more spoilery theories because it's all about Glinda and the wardrobe and these dresses. The dress that we saw her doing, the four good lines in, is not the pink dress that looked like the cured meats that we saw at the start of the first film.

[Erin James]

It's more like. I think it's the film's version of the blue dress in the musical.

[Mickey Jo]

So do they do for good on this balcony outside Glinda's room, Emerald City, wherever they are? And is the pink dress something she then changes into after helping Dorothy and friends to go back home? She then goes and scold, like, does everything else that happens and then.

[Erin James]

Oh, I could see that. And that's how that could be her, that whole moment.

[Mickey Jo]

Are they separate scenes? But does that then mean she's not necessarily. Is Glinda still at Kyamiko at the end? That's my big question. If for good doesn't happen there, is Glinda still there? Or is Glinda.

[Erin James]

But she's not at the end of a musical? Because at the end of the musical, she is back where she started.

[Mickey Jo]

No, but she's at Kiyamiko when it goes down. My question is, is she not even gonna be there?

[Erin James]

I think she's gonna be there.

[Mickey Jo]

I don't know.

[Erin James]

Because in the musical she goes from there. Then she goes to the Emerald City.

[Mickey Jo]

I know, but her reason in the musical to be there is to sing for good. And for good I don't think is happening at Kyamako discuss. Because we saw that shot of it happening somewhere else. We're gonna have to get back to it. Right, hold on. Let's Pause on this letter first of all, and see what's. It's like an old school textbook.

[Erin James]

I hope you get it.

[Mickey Jo]

I hope you get what your heart desires. Galinda and Elphaba's finding it later. This film's gonna make us cry.

[Erin James]

I feel like this. This seems quite a while later. Mm. I wonder if this is much, much later.

[Mickey Jo]

There are three scenes we've been waiting for because they were showed in early trailers. Now, for the most part, the Wick trailers only included shots From Wicked Part 1, the first film, but there were a few, including the head on the shoulder in the poppy fields. Now, they showed a fleeting moment of that during no one mourns. But there is also a bigger scene that that comes from that has been cut with, like, Fiyero and Bok shirtlessly competing over something that was talked about in the film script. Hold, hold, hold.

[Erin James]

Sorry. I saw the lion again.

[Mickey Jo]

And Glinda and Elphaba's hand on the yellow bricks was another one like the building of the yellow brick road. That's. We've waited for that in this. And the other was Glinda's wedding. And they've all made an appearance in this trailer.

[Erin James]

Do we think the lion's gonna have a voice? Because the lion does technically have to have a voice.

[Mickey Jo]

I assume so. And if so, who will it be?

[Erin James]

Yeah, because he does talk.

[Mickey Jo]

We thought when we found out the whole casting for the first film that we were out of the woods as far as James Corden's possible involvement goes. But honestly, wouldn't be a terrible lion.

[Erin James]

Yeah, I'm. I am fully intrigued. You get a full look at Burr when he. When they go in between them. What's interesting is you also can clearly see what the scarecrow is wearing, which.

[Mickey Jo]

You can very strongly to who you can. Okay, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. We're seeing this Glinda wedding. Let's talk about this Glinda and Fiero wedding. He's gulping at the aisle, feeling a certain type of way about it. We knew this already, but I'm just trying to see who we can. I can't even get a freeze frame on it. Obviously, Glinda and Fiera never make it to a wedding in the musical. This is the first shot that we see a lot of train going on here. The first film had a train. And this film also has a train and all of the butterflies. How do we think this is going to change the storytelling now that there is an actual wedding? So either they've got to get married or something. Interrupts.

[Erin James]

I think he leaves at the altar.

[Mickey Jo]

You think he actively leaves? Or it gets interrupted by, like, the chaos of the witch. She's in the sky.

[Erin James]

No.

[Mickey Jo]

She's writing something mean.

[Erin James]

No, because I think that pulls away from what that moment is.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah.

[Erin James]

Like, I think.

[Mickey Jo]

Because normally it's an engagement ball that she interrupts.

[Erin James]

Yeah. And, like, it feels like a clear. She knows and she. That's how she finds out. And I don't want that to be taken away.

[Mickey Jo]

We still think this is a real wedding and not a dream sequence.

[Erin James]

I think it's for real. I think it's a real wedding. And then maybe Glinda's own song comes after that.

[Mickey Jo]

We see multiple hooded person on horseback shots. We see a closer version of them coming out of the castle by daylight, which you could kind of see at the start of. No one mourns the first one. But we also see a shot of them arriving to the castle in darkness. Do we think it's Glinda?

[Erin James]

Maybe that's.

[Mickey Jo]

She has to be smuggled in and out.

[Erin James]

Maybe that's for good.

[Mickey Jo]

No, no, I don't think it's for good, but I think the scene might still happen because she still has to rock up and be like, they're coming for you. Let this get. She still has to get given the Grimory. She still has to get given the Grimory because we see her holding it in the pink salmon dress when she's walking up the stairs.

[Erin James]

There's another section I saw later of it on here where the animals. And you'll see them fleeing right after that. There's a shot of Glinda being badass, walking towards her bubble in her pink moment. And I think this is my rogue theory for that. I think. I think we're gonna see the animals. Not the monkeys, but the animals freed by Glinda.

[Mickey Jo]

Well, this is.

[Erin James]

I think that's a Glinda moment.

[Mickey Jo]

Now, here's the shot I saw that threw me. When we saw the Rainbow Pride Month wizard rave that we later both decided is probably the song. Wonderful. Glinda's there. Glinda's there. And she's not in Wonderful.

[Erin James]

No. But then they're never in a song together.

[Mickey Jo]

Normally, Elphaba comes and stalks into the room. The wizard finds her. They sing Wonderful. And then monkeys get freed. Fierro comes in. Yeah, and then Glinda comes in. And then the guards. No, guards come in. Fiera sends the guards away. He's like, go find water. And then.

[Erin James]

And then he freeze. And then she.

[Mickey Jo]

Which I think we see a shot of Fiero with the gun in this as well.

[Erin James]

And then she realizes.

[Mickey Jo]

But the fact that Glinda is already there for wonderful changes. The storytelling, it's gonna have to change. I know it seems like we're being very particular with the details, but it does have an impact, as we saw with that first film, on storytelling and on character.

[Erin James]

Well, I already think there's a big, big, big, big, big pl. That's going to change a lot of the timings. Because the wizard of Oz and how the wizard of Oz works and how certain things have to happen, they really need to make timings work better. Because in a musical, a reveal happens very, very late in the film in the musical, because they don't need to ever make that reveal in the film. They're going to have to make that reveal a lot earlier. There is like. There is things that happen in the musical on stage they physically can get away with not showing until the end as a big reveal on stage. At the moment in the film, we already can tell by characters. And if it's.

[Mickey Jo]

I know. I just got where you're going with this.

[Erin James]

They need to do a lot of plot points that do not exist in the musical a lot earlier in the film.

[Mickey Jo]

You're correct. You're correct.

[Erin James]

So the big reveal near the end of the musical, it's got to happen a lot earlier.

[Mickey Jo]

If you know, then you know.

[Erin James]

If they're doing the wizard of Oz and Wicked together and fully doing it and doing scenes. Some big reveals at the end of a musical need to move very far forward for other characters appearing earlier. Don't make sense without.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. As we raise these questions and these curiosities. Feel free to weigh in in the comments. And also an answer to this. What's this? Is this the new Glinda song? Do we think.

[Erin James]

I think this is Glinda's new song because I believe. I don't know the name of it, but I know it's something to do with bubbles.

[Mickey Jo]

The girl in the bubble.

[Erin James]

I thought it was something like that. And if you look, they're surrounded by bubbles.

[Mickey Jo]

I think it's more stars. But look at the bench they're sitting on and what it's made out of. It's two broomsticks lashed together, which is cute, obviously.

[Erin James]

I wonder if there's something to the fact that Glinda is a witch.

[Mickey Jo]

Can we talk about the fact that it's the two of them sitting together on a broomstick and flying up in the air. The way that they would have if she'd gone with her in Defying Gravity. But she didn't, which is such a moment in the first film, because that deleted scene where she's like, if you needed someone to help you with the lion cub, you could have asked me and I'd help you. And then Defying Gravity happens, and she doesn't go with her.

[Erin James]

Okay. The moment she's holding the Grimory. That is Keanu Ko in the blue dress.

[Mickey Jo]

Oh, okay. That is Keanu Ko. You're right. You're right.

[Erin James]

That's Keanu Ko.

[Mickey Jo]

I got myself confused.

[Erin James]

Yeah. And this is the scene.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. When she's like, I've had so many friends. This is the shot I was telling you about. The By Daylight person fleeing on the horse. So we see horsey arrival by night and horsey fleeing by daytime. I think it's Glinda. I think it's Ariana. Glinda. Okay.

[Erin James]

And maybe. Maybe the whole thing of seeing that is that I wonder if there's a tension in it that you don't know she's gonna get back quick enough. And it's. Does she beat them?

[Mickey Jo]

Well, yeah. It's got consequences for her for sure. For sure. Can we talk about how great Cynthia looks in this ensemble with, like, the shoulders and the hat and the hair down and how just fierce she looks. All of the Glinda outfits look beautiful as she's really turning into Glinda the Good.

[Erin James]

We also have this moment, which is the wizard going up in his hot air balloon. That's not actually fully a hot air balloon because it obviously got destroyed. Yeah.

[Mickey Jo]

I don't know what that's about.

[Erin James]

His handbags. And that's him going.

[Mickey Jo]

I don't know if that's him agreeing to leave circa the end of wizard of Oz or if it's during Wonderful news.

[Erin James]

Is it during Wonderful and he's trying to, like, rebuild?

[Mickey Jo]

Or we have a shot of Jonathan Bailey being very pointed with the pointing of the musket and being like, no, I'm pointing it this way, giving you plot twist. And we can actually see who he's pointing it at. We can. Like, that's not a spoiler. That's right up there in the trailer.

[Erin James]

Oh, yeah. He's pointing it right at the wizard.

[Mickey Jo]

And then you see these animals fleeing very much by daylight.

[Erin James]

Wait for it. And right after Badass Glinda walking towards the thing. I think I know what happens. Okay, Do I want the theory or not?

[Mickey Jo]

You can share the theory. It's time for theories.

[Erin James]

My theory is Glinda. Glinda. It's Glinda who. When she does all the things she does. No spoilers. At the end of the film after Thuggered. I believe she is the one where all the animals are freeing. Being freed there and running and everything. I believe that is Glinda's actions. And then we. Where we're seeing her walk towards the bubble that is her about to go and take her place. For no one mourn to the Wicked at the very last number. That is her.

[Mickey Jo]

I think the animals don't get freed until then.

[Erin James]

I think. I think Elphaba frees the monkeys. But. And we get a very Sad moment with Dr. Dillamond. And then I think Glinda finishes Elphaba's story.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah.

[Erin James]

I think both witches. I think that's like the legacy. Because when you see it, it's like Elphaba's flying with the monkeys. Which is. Which means she has to still free the monkeys. But I think for the moments for the pathos and stuff to happen, the animals can't also be freed.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. I agree.

[Erin James]

Because she has to still have her mission operandi.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. I think I've only got a couple of questions really from that. A lot of it's making sense. We're not seeing stuff indicative of like there's only a couple scenes we can't attribute to specific moments, scenes and songs. I do think that Jon did such a great job in the first film of. It didn't feel like they added in much. They just fleshed out everything and gave it more dimension and depth. And I think we're gonna see a lot of that. But we are gonna see a couple of new songs and scenes, some of which haven't necessarily been teased already. The and Juliet. They're on a swing together moment is intriguing. There's a couple too many Glinda dresses. And I think the timeline of that is curious. Which one is. Thank goodness. And where that's happening I'm not quite sure on.

[Erin James]

My whole thing is like, does the timing of all the Wicked. Does the timings of all the wizard of Oz bits move? Yeah, because.

[Mickey Jo]

And it has an impact. It's got to have an impact.

[Erin James]

If these two new songs are before the whole wizard of Oz section and like, are we still gonna get a really oddly condensed. And I don't think that would work because the timelines don't make sense. I think you really need to. My theory is that flesh out them in. In their roles and how that works and how the timelines work. Because yes, loads of people will know Wicked. But anybody that knows the wizard of Oz and watching it might get really confused on film.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. I don't think the girl in the bubble is necessarily, I mean it sounds like it should be an introspective song where she's singing about her role. But she has so many of those. She has I'm not that girl reprise. She has. Thank goodness that's what that is.

[Erin James]

Yeah. I kind of wonder if this is a maybe a later on. Yeah. Because it makes me go, is the girl in the bubble just a replace if I'm not that girl reprise? Which I hope not. Because I like that.

[Mickey Jo]

I hope not. And I think you'd like symmetry. Like a reprise from one film to the next is a nice moment. We never normally see two part movie musicals, so we don't normally get that. I also think we've seen Elphaba's song, her new one. And I think it's when she's working in the forest area by daylight. And I think you're gonna see a flashback moment of Fiery hunting her in the forest and catching a glimpse of her. And she's thinking about it.

[Erin James]

I think I know when it is. I think I'm not that girl. I think the girl in the bubble is after their big moment, their big like standoff. Because this I'm good isn't doesn't seem about the last the lock, the, it doesn't sound like the lost love between them and the deceit. It feels like remembering why they love each other. Which feels like it'd be after that moment.

[Mickey Jo]

No, that can't happen until for good.

[Erin James]

No.

[Mickey Jo]

But that's the whole point of for good.

[Erin James]

But I think that song's the impetus for Glinda to try and help save Elphaba.

[Mickey Jo]

I, I, I disagree.

[Erin James]

Okay.

[Mickey Jo]

And we can talk more about why. But I think, I think it comes earlier when they still think there's hope for the friendship. And it's not until the fiyero of it all changes that. And then fallen. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And then fallen, Fallen house as they call it in the business happens. And then they are very mad at each other. And that scene has to go into no good deed directly. I'm so sorry. But some things are sacred. That has to go into the way that scene ends. It has to go then into no good deed. And they don't reconcile until For Good. For Good is a reconciliation song. It's what it is.

[Erin James]

I don't think that's a reconciliation song.

[Mickey Jo]

What, Girl in the Bubble?

[Erin James]

No, I think that's a dream sequence. I think this is. If that's a Glinda dream sequence, but.

[Mickey Jo]

I think it steps on for good.

[Erin James]

Maybe. And maybe that's what we'll find when we see it. But I think that's a song where. I think that's Glen does no Good Deed. I think that's what that will be.

[Mickey Jo]

I think it's gonna be earlier. I think the new songs are earlier because the second act material inherently feels like late stage plot. And so to have it all at the start of a film is weird. So I think they're gonna front load it with new stuff to push the material of the second act into the film's natural second act. Structurally speaking. Maybe that's my theory.

[Erin James]

I just. I just would hope not. Because then I feel like we're gonna have the same issue that feels in the musical, which is where the wizard of Oz plot line feels rushed. Feels really rushed at the end in it. And I don't think it'll work because we've already seen a clip of a character that I'm like. That would only work if it is not following the. It can't follow the film.

[Mickey Jo]

I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

[Erin James]

Categorically cannot follow the musical plot line for that moment.

[Mickey Jo]

There's lots we haven't seen. Like you said, we haven't seen Nessarose and Bok.

[Erin James]

Because for March of the Witch Hunters.

[Mickey Jo]

I know, I know, I know, I know. We all know. Unless, of course, you don't know. But evidently we have very strong feelings about this. I think we've kind of spoken to almost every single image and every sound that you hear. I haven't really analyzed too much the vocals and everything. It sounds like there wasn't anything surprising. I don't think we heard new music. We heard, like a tease of no Good Deed. And we heard the same kind of editing effect that Defying Gravity had in the first trailer. It sounds great. It feels also, as far as sequels go and, you know, they film them at the same time. It feels so similar.

[Erin James]

Yeah.

[Mickey Jo]

To the first one. They feel so naturally.

[Erin James]

Yeah. They feel together. It feels like the. It doesn't feel like one of those films where they're going back where it's like being created a little bit after and they're trying to recreate that energy. You can tell this was the whole same team following it through.

[Mickey Jo]

Yeah. So I don't think there needs to be a separate frame by Frame trailer breakdown. I think we've kind of talked through it all. Lots of questions arisen, a couple of working theories from us about changes that we might see to the storyline where those new songs might be appearing. But I'd love to hear your theories as well because people said a great many things that I think turned out to be accurate last time. Re like the windows of it all. And remember that Windows saga when I cared way too much and the who's on the horse of it all. But yeah, evidently there is going to be more to discuss on the yellow brick road to the release of this film. There will be more trailers, I dare say. So if you want to stay up to date with all Things Wicked Part 2 Between now and the film and you want to hear from the passionate theatre fans, dare we say musical theatre experts, dare we say it. We're seeing a lot of Broadway shows this week. I'm just saying make sure you're subscribed right here on YouTube. Follow us wherever you can find us on social media. And we will be continuing to talk about all things Wicked movie and until part two is released and then it's over. I know I'm not ready. I'm not ready for it to be over. In the meantime, it's been lovely sharing this moment with you and it's been lovely sharing this moment with all of you. I've heard it said that people come into my tiny camera to watch us talk about Wicked. And because we knew you, we have been able to do this here in New York. It's quite late and I'm eager to get this video online for you to watch it. So thank you for joining us. Stay tuned for more Wicked content coming in the coming weeks, in the coming months. Who knows? In the meantime, we both hope that you are staying safe and that you have a stagey day. Bye bye. Bye. For ten more seconds, I'm Mickey Jo Theater. Oh my God. Hey, thanks for watching. Have a stagey day. Subscribe.