Reacting to the final WICKED trailer | Musical theatre fan reaction to Wicked For Good 2025 trailer

Summary

Podcast Summary: MickeyJoTheatre

Episode: Reacting to the final WICKED trailer | Musical theatre fan reaction to Wicked For Good 2025 trailer
Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Mickey-Jo (A), Aaron James (B)

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Overview

In this highly anticipated episode, Mickey-Jo and fellow theatre enthusiast Aaron James deliver an in-depth, frame-by-frame reaction to the final trailer for Wicked: For Good (Wicked Part 2). As longtime fans and seasoned audience members (having seen Wicked "dozens of times in different countries on different continents" [09:01]), they provide detailed analysis, speculation on changes from stage to screen, and passionate discussion around choices made for this film adaptation. The episode is brimming with excited theorizing, close reading of visuals, and thoughtful perspective on what Wicked’s cinematic conclusion means for fans and for musical theatre at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate Reactions to the Trailer

• Both hosts admit to being emotionally invested and a bit nervous about watching the trailer, having purposefully avoided spoilers ("We've been holding off for all of you because we can't fake reactions" — Mickey-Jo [02:42]).
• The length and richness of the trailer ("It's three minutes long. That's a lot of content." — Mickey-Jo [03:45]) sets the stage for a thorough frame-by-frame breakdown.

2. Visuals, Design, and Costuming

• Glinda’s Costuming Evolution: Observations on the persistent use of pink for Glinda, signifying her evolving power and public image.

  “It’s interesting that they’re keeping with pink…You Go. Yellow, green, blue.” — Aaron [13:12]
  “She is G for Glinda. G for Girl Boss.” — Mickey-Jo [12:51]

• Elphaba’s Trousers: Noted as a symbolic update:

  “She has had the same journey that Elsa has had…Elsa, when she went to the musical theater stage got Act 2 trousers. And it seems that Elphaba will as well.” — Mickey-Jo [20:08]

• Discuss the volume of new looks for both Glinda and Morrible, suggesting a more expansive, cinematic scope.

3. Musical and Plot Adaptations

• Spoilers & Twists:

  • The trailer reveals many key plot twists (e.g., Tin Man, Scarecrow, Cowardly Lion transformations; Nessa’s fate), usually withheld in the musical.
  • Aaron expresses surprise:

    “What’s interesting is, the one thing the musical has kept under lock and key…is revealed in the final trailer. And I’m fascinated by that part.” [11:43]

• Dream Sequences and Musical Numbers:

  • Speculation about new songs and expanded moments:

    “We have heard some more details about where those songs are going to be.” — Mickey-Jo [08:39]
    “No Place Like Home is after Thank Goodness.” — Aaron [09:27]

  • Consideration that some “fantasy” visuals (Glinda and Elphaba on a broomstick together) are dreamlike, possibly part of the new numbers.

• Structure & Pacing:

  • The film appears to give more breathing room to the second act, allowing deeper exploration of character arcs and supporting roles.
  • Concerns about retaining nuance and not “rushing” challenging plot points, as the stage version sometimes is forced to do due to runtime.

4. Expanded Roles & Representation

• Notable that side characters (Fanny and Shen Shen) carry over into Act 2 as Glinda’s aides — a change from the musical.

• Theorizing about the retooling of Nessarose’s disability representation:

  “Levitating is a different way of interpreting that, which is interesting.” — Mickey-Jo [49:16]

• Speculation about the increased importance of Dulcibert, a maternal figure to Elphaba, in contrast to Dr. Dillamond. This may offer more depth to Elphaba’s backstory.

  “Why include a character that basically was a mother figure for Elphaba if it’s not going to be her [at the emotional breaking point]?” — Aaron [43:51; continued discussion through 56:41]

5. Franchise & Meta-Textual Commentary

• Observing the film’s gestures to both the Wicked stage show and the 1939 Wizard of Oz film:

  • Visual homages to the yellow brick road, banners, and Munchkinland staging.
  • In-joke about Disney aesthetics and the difficulty of referencing the red shoes due to copyright.

• Meta-awareness about the fandom’s role and the end of “the Wicked movie era”:

  “I’m not sure I’m ready for the whole thing to be over, to be honest. The Wicked movie era has been such a rewarding and exciting one.” — Mickey-Jo [03:19]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Costuming Choices:

  “She is G for Glinda. G for Girl Boss.” — Mickey-Jo [12:51]

  “The pink goes good with green is really the... they're really trying to do it over.” — Aaron [16:00]

• On Trailer Spoilers:

  “I’m going to say that trailer revealed all the biggest twists in the musical.” — Aaron [07:58]

• On Twister Reveal:

  “Spoiler alert. In this shot, it's not even ambiguous. You see the twister outside the window and you see her giving it.” — Mickey-Jo [35:13]

• On Essence of the Adaptation:

  “The main thing I'm getting…they have been very clear to who those characters are and what happens to them. It feels very honest to Wicked, which is good because Part One felt like the easiest one to put as a film. And part two felt a more tricky one.” — Aaron [10:05]

• On Added Emotional Depth:

  “Because Dillamund is an interesting speculation… I just feel like there’s something in my brain that says there’s more to her than meets the eye.” — Aaron [56:23]

• On Franchise Legacy:

  “We have been changed for good.” — Mickey-Jo (final thoughts) [61:34]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 01:52 | Introduction to the episode, context about the trailer | | 03:16 | Recap of Wicked movie Part 1, build-up to trailer 2 | | 03:46-07:27 | Live/raw reaction to the trailer | | 07:33-11:43 | Immediate reactions, initial analysis & spoilers | | 11:43-19:20 | Frame-by-frame analysis: costumes, power symbolism, Morrible’s role | | 20:05-25:32 | More costuming (Elphaba’s trousers), bubble tech, Glinda’s public persona | | 26:14-31:43 | Animal subplots, wedding scene theories, new song speculation | | 32:49-33:31 | Discussion of Glinda’s “official” look and significance | | 35:07-36:03 | Trailer’s open reveal of Morrible creating the twister | | 36:39-39:45 | Shadow fights, expanding on animal roles, Tin Man, Cowardly Lion | | 41:52-47:17 | Musical number placement, theorizing alternate story paths, wonderful/for good speculation | | 49:16 | Representation/levitation of Nessa, discussion of disability | | 53:46-54:04 | Theorizing about the new song “Girl in the Bubble” | | 56:41-57:41 | Final thoughts: has anything really been spoiled? | | 59:31-60:31 | Musings on adaptation, what’s added/lost, future wonders| | 60:35-~62:10| Farewell thoughts, thanking listeners, meta-commentary |

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Flow & Tone

• Tone: Exuberant, witty, deeply knowledgeable with a strong sense of fan camaraderie. There’s a balance between affectionate ribbing of franchise quirks and genuine appreciation for the storytelling craft.
• Language: Conversational, tangent-rich but always roped back into detailed analysis.

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For Newcomers

Anyone who hasn’t listened to the episode—or even seen Wicked—will find this breakdown invaluable for understanding:

• The stakes and expectations surrounding the final Wicked film
• How the adaptation might differ from the beloved stage show in style, storytelling, and representation
• The passionate, sometimes nerdy, always heartfelt community of fans the show has created

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SUMMARY

Mickey-Jo and Aaron deliver a passionate, comprehensive, and often humorous reaction and review of the final Wicked: For Good trailer. With expertise earned from countless viewings and years of fandom, they scrutinize every frame—covering costume choices, narrative adaptation, representation, new musical material, emotional stakes, and the broader legacy of Wicked in both theatre and pop culture. For fans and newcomers alike, this episode serves as an insightful and entertaining window into why Wicked continues to captivate, and what its cinematic future may hold.

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Memorable Closing Line:

“We have been changed for good.” — Mickey-Jo [61:34]

Transcript

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[B]

Am Aaron James and we are both.

[A]

Obsessed with all things theatre. Today something very exciting and momentous has happened in the world of musical theatre fandom. Which is a new Wicked trailer has dropped for Wicked Part 2.

[B]

The Final Part. Wicked Fulgood.

[A]

I know. As Dorothy says in the wizard of Oz, I think I'm going to miss this trailer the most of all.

[B]

But she will not say that in this film.

[A]

Or so it seems. We have spent all day in London doing theatrical things. Not yet Watching the trailer. We have been holding off for all.

[B]

Of you because we can't fake reactions.

[A]

No, no. It just doesn't work authentically. React and there has been. I have been hearing murmurings of discussion.

[B]

I've seen photos about the trailer.

[A]

I've seen nothing.

[B]

Oh, I have.

[A]

If this is your time encountering one or both of us, then we went through all of this this time last year when the first Wicked movie was being released. And I made a whole bunch of videos right here on YouTube about that first film, including one that was speculating about what we might expect and what we already knew about the sequel, which is coming out now.

[B]

In just a few months time, the merchandise has started to arrive.

[A]

I'm not sure I'm ready for the whole thing to be over, to be honest. The Wicked movie era has been such a rewarding and exciting one.

[B]

But it will be exciting after this. To what next?

[A]

Before all of that and before we mourn the end of the Wicked movie era, we have one final trailer ahead of this sequel's theatrical release coming later this year. We are now about to react to this trailer for the very first time. It's three minutes long.

[B]

It's long.

[A]

That's a lot of content. I'm going to.

[B]

I have heard people say very well, a lot.

[A]

I'm going to show you my phone so you can get a sense of where we are at the same time. But I'm. I'm not trying to have fights with universal via YouTube on this. I only just got rid of my Tony Awards copyright strike. If you know, then you know. Are we ready? I'm not sure I'm emotionally ready, actually.

[B]

I've waited too long. I've gone through that. I'm on the other side. I just want to get. I want to get it over and done with so I can just talk.

[A]

This is candid, real time reaction. You've got a different one. My one's from Canada.

[B]

What if my one is the main one?

[A]

Okay, hold on. Three, two, one. That wasn't. No, that wasn't. That wasn't.

[B]

See, this is what happens.

[A]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[B]

We've got a bit of. Thank goodness. Oh.

[A]

New outfit, New pink dress. Oh, much pink.

[B]

Pink is normally gone by this point in the kid.

[A]

This. The train pink.

[B]

Yeah, it's all pink. This is very much like.

[A]

Oh, how finding the bubble is.

[B]

That was the new version of Gravity.

[A]

Then obsessulated, exasperated marble.

[B]

Oh, Fiera.

[A]

He's wearing that hat.

[B]

Oh, wicked and good Glinda.

[A]

The good pink goes good with green.

[B]

Oh, my new morrible look. Interesting.

[A]

Our wizard lies just a little topical.

[B]

Oh, yellow brick road. The cat fight.

[A]

This is new dialogue monkeys. Oh, we're hearing it. We're hearing it. Oh, my God, look at those sleeves.

[B]

Dorothy's house.

[A]

Oh, the fight. That immediately looked like the fight.

[B]

All the animals. We're seeing all the animals.

[A]

And who has. Oh.

[B]

Oh, there's the twister there. The hat.

[A]

Oh, telling. Very telling.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

There they all are. We're still not seeing any front of Dorothy, so I do not think we see Dorothy's face.

[A]

Stop this. It's gone too far. Alphaba. Are they coming for you? Just look at me.

[B]

Right there. Oh.

[A]

This November.

[B]

Oh. Flying on a broomstick with wires.

[A]

Very Ann. Juliet.

[B]

Yeah, thank God.

[A]

Whatever this.

[B]

It feels like wonderful pride.

[A]

Disco montages. I think it is.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Wind of the sea.

[B]

Oh, I think that. Okay. Wedding.

[A]

Animals in the wedding. Animals in the wedding. Yeah, you were right. Yeah, you were right. Change for the better.

[B]

Okay, that was as long as you're mine. Oh.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay. There we are. Flying.

[A]

There we are.

[B]

Oh, And Scarecrow was there.

[A]

Dancing. Dancing. Wait, the dance again from the Ozdos Ballroom. Wait, so many questions.

[B]

Did we just see. Did they just reveal. Oh.

[A]

Question, questions. Okay, okay. So initial reactions on Wicked for good. Already moving quite heavily away from the second act of the musical because they spend very little time interacting in the second act of the show. There are going to be spoilers ahead, by the way, for those of you.

[B]

Who don't know spoilers coming, because we kind of have to.

[A]

We have to talk about the second episode.

[B]

I'm going to say that trailer revealed all the biggest twists in the musical.

[A]

Yeah, we're going to talk about the spoilers. We're going to talk about the questions that arise. We're going to talk about the differences with Act 2. My overall thoughts, my most emerging thing is that I'm glad to see cute little moments of dialogue between Elphaba and Glinda, as well as the confrontation between them because they spend so little back to even speaking, even being in the same place, but especially being friends.

[B]

It does seem like we're going to get some of their scenes of them talking through dream sequences. Interesting, because I. Them being on a broomstick that's got wires like they're in a show.

[A]

Doesn't have to be a dream sequence.

[B]

It feels like that's from one of the two new songs.

[A]

I don't. I don't believe so. We have had. We have in the interim time between when we last spoke about the Wicked movie together here on social media, you and I. And now we have heard some more details about where those songs are. Going to be.

[B]

Yes. And the names of them, they've both been revealed with the album.

[A]

Yes. Elphaba has a song. It's something like there's no Place like home.

[B]

There's no place like home.

[A]

No place like home. And Glinda has a song called the Girl in the Bubble. That happens just before for good or just after? For good. It's giving 11 o' clock whatever it is. And I don't get the vibe that that's either of those. If you haven't seen us do one of these, something you should know about the two of us is Aaron and I have, between us, seen Wicked dozens of times in different countries on different continents. So we know the show pretty well.

[B]

Yeah. So the Gun in the Bubble will be right before for good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No Place like Home is before is after. Thank goodness.

[A]

Yeah. It'll be interesting to try and see if we can figure out if we've seen clips from either of those in this fuller version of the trailer. But what is your overall takeaway? Without digging into the specifics at this.

[B]

Time, it doesn't feel like. I know we just said it feels like they're going away from Yak 2.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it also. I don't feel like I've seen anything that feels like there's new arcs.

[A]

No, it all sort of fits into place.

[B]

Like most of this I've seen. I think the main thing I'm getting from this is they have been very clear to who those characters are and what happens to them in Act 2.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They all have their same routes. They're going to go down. It feels nice to know that with Part two it doesn't feel like a more rushed situation or. Or trying to develop things. So this further, it just doesn't feel like that. It feels very honest to Wicked, which is good because Part one I feel like felt like the easiest one to put as a film. And part two felt a more tricky one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so far from this it just feels like an older. You do feel that grown up Elphaba and Glinda straight away the tone feels.

[A]

A little bit shifted. It's not like a high school or college.

[B]

Yeah. It's not a coming of age, coming of age film.

[A]

It's a little bit more politically potent. And the other thing to consider is in the musical, you've just watched act one one 15 or 20 minute interval ago. And with this, obviously as films are released, it then becomes moot. But the first film, it came out a year ago and so I like that we're getting little nods and like throwbacks like Remember when this happened? And little Ozdos ballroom choreography happening in there.

[B]

And I do wonder if that's why they are revealing more than normally they do in the musical.

[A]

I also think Wicked has never really thought of itself as a show about a lot of big plot surprises. First of all, it's. It's not a small. The musical's been out for 20 plus years. 20th anniversary hat here on my head. I know, I know, I know, I know. But the musical has been out for 20 plus years. It has been in countries all around the world. There are a lot of people, as we found out when the first one came out, who haven't seen it and don't know the plot. But. But even before that, it is a take on the wizard of Oz.

[B]

See, I agree. But what's interesting is the one thing the musical has kept under lock and key for as long as for 20 plus years is revealed in the final trailer. And I'm fascinated by that part.

[A]

Okay, well, we're going to get there and we're going to talk about it, I think now, before we combust or melt, should I say, or not. Let us now start taking a look through frame by frame from the beginning and talking about what it is that we see. So we begun with Ariana as Glinda putting on the crown. This is the meat dress. This is the meat slice dress, the pink one, the pink wafer dress. This is towards the end. This could be from Girl in the Bubble. That's what this moment here could actually be.

[B]

Oh, it's Eva. Yeah.

[A]

Because it's her pre for. Did we decide that this was the Forgood dress or is this the very end of the film?

[B]

No, this is. That's putting on the crown, going to the bubble to go to Munchkinland.

[A]

She has banished the Wizard.

[B]

I think that shot is actually the very end of the film.

[A]

She is G for Glinda. G for Girl Boss. Okay, what's happening next?

[B]

So this is. Thank goodness.

[A]

Yeah. We have these shots of a pink version of the train arriving in the Emerald City, which is interesting. It's indicative. You don't get this in the musical. You don't get the pink creeping in. But this is indicative of the power that Glinda actually comes to hold.

[B]

It's interesting that they're keeping with pink, which I think is kind of clever because in the musical, by the time she goes to Oz and onwards, she's kind of yellow, then green and then she goes to blue. Yeah, you Go. Yellow, green, blue.

[A]

She has a lovely ice green kind of a one sleeve dress. And thank goodness that I really enjoy. But I'm intrigued by the pink taking over and the notion of Glinda, who has always been a public face of the administration and utilized by the administration, maybe in a more expanded version of the story that we get here, beginning to get the sense of, oh, I actually have more power than like, they've put me in a powerful position and they have afforded me power via the love of the people. That's intriguing to me.

[B]

It's also interesting that we can already see with Morrible. Morrible has a more expanded role in Act 2 of the musical. And I think you can really tell that in this trailer with where she's appearing ring and the amount of looks that Morrible is getting.

[A]

Yeah, we see one of them here in this crowd scene moment where we have a new outfit we hadn't seen before from Ariana as Glinda with like a wedding fascinator going on on the top of her head and this. Oh, that's like a classic. That's like a 30s silhouette. There's a lot of like classic fashion references.

[B]

And we also have to stop here because we notice a big change for the movie, but it doesn't happen in a musical. Fanny and Shen Chen are carrying on into Act 2, part. Part 2 for good as kind of her aides. So she brings her friends from college, from university to work with her as her support system.

[A]

This has got to be early on. I don't know if this is thank goodness. Or if this is like the very opening moments of the film when Glinda is first celebrating like what she's being given by Morrible and being first. This even could be like happening stuff that we're seeing. AlphaBar is singing no Place Like Home. There's a possibility it could be that also. And I'm fixating on this, the nice dress from the show that she wears. And thank goodness, I don't think we're going to see that color on her anymore. But we're seeing it on Bow and Yang over here and Chen to the right. And there is a choir of pink children. Very Jamie, Lloyd, Zavita.

[B]

Also, can we. This is product placement. I apologize. The bags, because the bags are stylized like Cambridge Satchel. And if we know anything about last year, Cambridge Satchel did pink Glinda satchels.

[A]

That's iconic.

[B]

So you know that everybody's gonna be buying a Cambridge Satchel. Pink Glinda, Yeah.

[A]

Version we see Glinda taking a photo with the kids. Look at her skirt and all the tulle fabric there. And the green and the pink. Oh, yeah, Running around it. Pink goes good with green is really the.

[B]

Really trying to do it over. Tap to bubble comes next.

[A]

They all do their little like. Oh, yeah, they're all taking after her. It's her as an influential public figure. So then we have the bubble reveal. Talk to us about the bubble.

[B]

It's the same bubble that we saw in the first film. It's very different to the bubble that we obviously see in the musical production. But what's interesting is when she does her tap to bubble, that design on the floor is kind of reminiscent of the bubble in the musical.

[A]

I like that we're leaning more into the notion of the bubble being non magical, per the wizard.

[B]

It's a wizard creation.

[A]

It's technology made to look like magic.

[B]

Which also makes sense because in the musical how Elphaba talks about we can't come and go by bubble. It does feel like it's very artificial. Very not.

[A]

The tap to bubble button as well is very like Instagram era Glinda also. And the little line in there, the little new. Little bit of Ozzie and vocabulary that we've been taught. Did she say I'm obsessulated?

[B]

Also interesting. She's in a different outfit again.

[A]

She is.

[B]

And so is Morrible. Morrible's also in a different outfit here.

[A]

Girly's got looks, let me tell you.

[B]

But she's in like a cream pink. Which then feels like we're heading. This is heading to. I think this is maybe the scene where she gets for bubble. I think this is her introduction to the bubble.

[A]

Her introduction to the bubble.

[B]

And this is her trying get out.

[A]

And Morrible rolling her eyes.

[B]

Morrible has. It's a massive coat.

[A]

She's like, this is not. This is not the witch she was hoping for, but this is the witch that she got.

[B]

That's fun. If you stop whilst you see the bubble go, there's a rainbow.

[A]

Oh, and she also gives her the wand as well, which is a big deal that I hope we have more time to focus on in the film than we do in the show. Because what has Glinda always wanted from.

[B]

Morrible for her to want to teach her sorcery?

[A]

That seal of approval. She gives her the wand on Elphaba's insistence back in Wicked Part 1.

[B]

So. And right after you see her in her pink dress, I believe that's the.

[A]

Pink one I'm trying to work out with these banners. A different one background. Good. These banners. Oh, good.

[B]

This is her descending on Munchkin Land.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you can see all the flowers in the background. And then we move to her again in. This is about to. Thank Goodness. Her entering in her, like, yellow outfit and everybody kneeling for her.

[A]

So if we back up just a moment, when she's arriving in Munchkinland, there is a banner in the background being lifted by balloon that says, the Yellow Brick Road is now open.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

This is the launch of the Yellow Brick Road. And we have a scene from Oz here with Fierro leading the guards in a sassy little dance. Glinda back in that cream bubble introductory.

[B]

Outfit, and Marable in a different outfit again. Or is that the same one that we saw?

[A]

I think that's the same one. And this has to be. Thank Goodness. Yeah, I think this is thank goodness. Thank goodness doesn't usually happen in Munchkinland. No, either. So there's been some curiosity about where thank Goodness was going to take place, because some of the earliest set photo leaks that we saw were of Glinda doing this public appearance on the Munchkinland set in a ball gown. And we all speculated, is this. Thank Goodness. I think that was the time that we were hearing the audio set leaks as well.

[B]

Although it could be that that's how it ends. And it's her descending to unveil the Yellow BR Road. And that's the end of it.

[A]

Thank Goodness. It's a long song.

[B]

Maybe we've got this evolution of her.

[A]

Multiple places learning to be. Yeah. I will say it's a little on the nose that they're unveiling these two posters being like Glinda the Good and the Wicked Witch of the west. Because even in a cult of personality, they don't often side by side have giant posters for the political adversaries. It's like they're going to have a wrestling match that night.

[B]

So what's interesting is with her popping through the clouds and Glinda looking. This is her in, like, the full dress that I felt like she would then wears for most of the rest of the act, because it's the blue.

[A]

You say dress. Elphaba has trousers.

[B]

She does.

[A]

This is a big development in the costuming for this film. She has had the same journey that Elsa has had. Of course, Elsa and Elphaba, always very linked, not just because they were both originated by Idina Menzel, but Elsa, when she went to the musical theater stage got Act 2 trousers. And it seems that Elphaba will as well.

[B]

So this is the look for Madame Morrible. And this is Munchkinland. This could be the end of thank Goodness. Where Glinda arrives in Munchkinland to unveil the Yellow Brick Road. And we see Elphaba ruin the event of the launch because she's trying to obviously ruin anything that happens for the wizard. And then we're seeing her save a wizard Lies whilst this new creation is unveiled.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're seeing Morrible get.

[A]

It all makes sense from a story point of view. And it's all sort of new material. I just don't know where it fits in musically.

[B]

My guess is it's Ender. Thank goodness.

[A]

I know. I just wonder if. I wonder what that does to Glinda at that moment. And the sentiment that she's just been showing musically to have Elphaba then arrive and I can't remember. With Fiera's already left by the end of thank Goodness, he sort of disappears and she's like, he's gone to get me a refreshment. Ha, ha, ha. Which may not happen in the film the same way.

[B]

I wonder as well, if. Just a theory that in this moment we could see Bok and Nessa Rosen have an update. Because obviously, if you know the musical, they're both in Munchkinland during the whole of Act 2.

[A]

To do this on a broom, by the way, and get those exact. Our Wizard Lies Gaps in the Clouds, I think, is very impressive. And it does make me chuckle that she's there being all, like, wicked and mysterious. But also it's so dramatic, it's so extra of her to be like, I'm a spell it in this cloud. And also, you just know that she's up there being like, ant for the R and just loop it round there, like to do broom calligraphy. That's something.

[B]

I also think this is clever. Spoiler alert for how Bok feels about Elphaba. Because something in the movie, in the musical, is that you don't really get to see Bok's arc and his feelings.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And he seeing this and seeing, like, kind of the public sentiment of it feels quite. I feel like that's going to be very clever.

[A]

There's. Oh, we've seen this before. We have seen this before. I talked about throwbacks to the first film. There's a lovely shot here of Cynthia's Elphaba flying on her broomstick and pulling the hair across the back of her Neck. That's the shot we saw of her arriving to shiz. That was one of the earliest Elphaba trailer reveals, actually. And so it's nice to see that parallel. They shot them at the same time. And that allows you, along with Jon M. Chu's attention to detail, which has always been so on point to put in things like that to bring kinship between the two films. And that's what I love about a sequel, when it really feels like it's in the world of that first film and we haven't sort of stepped away.

[B]

You can tell by the floor of how she arrives on the yellow brick road that this is after the twister.

[A]

You can. This is post natural disaster. But you can also tell, look, that some kind of a legging or a trouser going on there.

[B]

And we can see Dorothy's house.

[A]

There's flames in the background. Oh. So this is the dress Glinda is wearing. I don't think Glinda's gonna wear this dress on more than one day. So this is the iridescent one with the sleeves. This is what we've been calling the yellow brick Road unveiling dress.

[B]

It's different because when you look at the yellow brick road unveiling, she's wearing gold.

[A]

No, I think this is the same one. It was just bubble lighting. Yeah. This is the iridescent dress. And so the iridescent dress is post. I'm not that girl. Reprise post. As long as you're mine. The iridescent dress is in the musical. It's when we would see her wearing the blue Glinda ball gown.

[B]

Yes, the blue gown for the first time.

[A]

And in the film, she's not going to just keep wearing them for days and days and weeks and weeks. So this is her earliest version of blue Glinda ballgown. Interesting. And we do now, I think, see a little clip of them having the fight with the sticks, which I think you pointed out when we saw it in the first trailer.

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Was going to be foreshadowing when they did it. Shiz. In the combat class when they were fighting with the sticks during. What is this feeling?

[B]

They set up the idea of them very. Going against each other.

[A]

But first we have a little spell here.

[B]

This is no good deed in the Grimory.

[A]

Well, when she cast a spell in the Grimory in the first film, we could sort of see a visual representation. There were wings. What are we seeing here? It kind of still looks like. It looks a bit like hands. Does that not look like hands to you.

[B]

Let me see.

[A]

That's a hand.

[B]

I think I. I know what that is.

[A]

You know what that is?

[B]

That's her creating for Fiero. That's scarecrow hands.

[A]

Interesting. Straw hands.

[B]

The straw hands. Hands of straws. Well, not yet.

[A]

Walking towards. She's. She's put. Something's on fire.

[B]

If you look at how her face is. She is belting.

[A]

She is belting. This is when we were hearing no good deed.

[B]

And also we can tell where she is, what point of the musical we're in, because there is a flying monkey sat with her.

[A]

There are. There are several dozen flying monkeys.

[B]

But I mean, at the moment that she screams that there's one here.

[A]

Yeah. But there's. There's more. They're moving around. There's lots of flying monkeys. And this shot of them upside down is a curious one, which my phone keeps rotating. This is going to make a great ride at Universal. That's all I know. And I've liked throughout all of this that it's pink and green.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As the vibes. Not only is that more interesting, I think for the marketing and for the.

[B]

Posters, it's easier to follow.

[A]

And I just think it's nice that it's really being framed that way. Even if Ariana gets called a supporting actress at the Golden Globes, etc.

[B]

And then we get the process of them pulling down the Elphaba. I don't think there's anything new in that bit.

[A]

But this bit, the flight to Kyamako.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's gonna be interesting seeing when the monkeys get on side.

[B]

Yeah. Because currently they're not.

[A]

No, the last thing we saw was they were chasing her away while she was giving it. So. Gonna be interesting to see when they rally to the cause. And it's not a big surprise.

[B]

I mean, everybody knows that they're. Yeah, they're gonna be Team Alfie. Beware the Wicked Witch.

[A]

This feels like the start of Sardi's caricature moment.

[B]

This feels like the start of Witch Hunters.

[A]

Maybe the Witch Hunters. Or is it every day more wicked? Every day the terror grows. Because one of those things is right towards the end and one of those is right towards the beginning. Because I think that is the first song we hear. I believe it's the first thing listed on the soundtrack that every day more wicked. It's usually the start of thank goodness. But there could be more of a pronounced gap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they don't really flow into each other musically.

[B]

But then we get Glinda addressing everyone, but she's in the hair bubble dress. Her bubbly style dress. This is definitely the unveiling of it is because you can see all these people, all these ballerina dressed performers in hot pink.

[A]

And there is a site. Her hair looks great from behind. There is a sign in the background that says you can see the Elle Brick Road.

[B]

But the Oz of Tomorrow.

[A]

The Oz of Tomorrow, they keep very Disney Cody Disney references. They are like, do you know who the real villain is here? Disney. That's what they keep saying. They keep.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We saw all of this with Goldblum as the wizard in the first one. All of the Epcot. Yeah. References.

[B]

Well, we know that Dorothy's higher. Stephanie comes down right in the center of Munchkinland like in the film. And this is the original wizards of the film.

[A]

And in the wizard of Oz film, we have the same sort of circle that then.

[B]

Yeah, they've tried. I think what's nice about this film is that these two films is that they're not shying away from also honoring the original wizard of Oz film.

[A]

Yeah. That's a. That's a Wizard of Oz yellow brick road style reference. Because the show never looks like that. This is where we have the fighting. And we see shadow. We see it in shadows on the road. That's very cool. That's a nice visual there.

[B]

And then we're in. Now what's interesting is we're seeing all of the animals.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not. It's not just monkeys. Because in the musical Owl. Well, this musical you only really see in the whole of act two, the monkeys and Dr. Dellaman.

[A]

One goat. Yeah. Who we've already seen caged in a premonition that Elphaba had back in the first film.

[B]

And I do wonder, where's Dulcibert in all of this?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Because I feel like this is the addition to this wicked that I need to understand if there's a payoff in Act 2 for her or not.

[A]

Now, thinking a little further ahead, we did notice in the trailer that we saw the animal stampede at the wedding.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Last time we saw a teaser trailer, we saw the wedding. We saw the animal stampede. And it was you who said that's gonna be Elphaba releasing the animals at the wedding. Again, being a little bit extra.

[B]

And I think this is the song no Place Like Home. And her saying home is her freeing the animals to their home.

[A]

I believe that all comes a little bit too early. I don't think she releases all of the animals until after. Wonderful.

[B]

Because that's normally where that's normally when she finds him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's the turnaround.

[A]

Yeah. So I don't know if she finds all the animals. Something wonderful happens.

[B]

This feels different.

[A]

It does feel different.

[B]

I do wonder if that storyline has been changed because her walking through so slowly and being scared and looking at them doesn't add up with the shifts that happens in the musical. She's slowly walking through and seeing.

[A]

But we know the film is going to have way more space. Everything is slowed down, everything is given more time. With the first film, they didn't really add in new plot. They just gave everything more room to breathe.

[B]

So what we can see is that she sees them and she sees the monkeys.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So at this point, the monkeys are also engaged. And that's.

[A]

Which is the same as in the show. The monkeys don't get freed in the show until after Wonderful. It happens at the end of that song because the wizard agrees to let the monkeys go. But then she sees Dilamond and she's like, do you know what? No, you're a fascist. We're not doing this. And then Fiera rocks up and then it all goes south.

[B]

But I have a feeling that that's not going to be the case.

[A]

You're welcome to.

[B]

For the animals to stampede in the wedding.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That wouldn't be then. Because much earlier.

[A]

No, that is then. And I will tell you why.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because it's after Nessa Rose. She says, I have to go back and free the monkeys. And Nessa says, you're not going back to free the monkeys. You're going back to see Fiyero. Because Bok has just said a ball that's being staged announcing Glinda is engaged to Fiyero. And so when Wonderful happens in the stage show, it's right after the engagement ball. And I think in the film it's going to be the actual wedding. I think she flies back around the time of the wedding. Wizard intercepts her. Glinda sees her there. I wonder if her and Glinda have more of a moment. I think there's going to be something about that that is different. I think you're right that some. There's a different.

[B]

It just feels very different because this is very slow walking through and finding animals. And it's all the animals.

[A]

That also could be. I think there's dialogue in the show to suggest that she spends a long time going around Oz and helping animals. That could be animals being imprisoned in a completely different place.

[B]

Maybe that could be.

[A]

There's no place like home.

[B]

And it's her finding out that they're all.

[A]

But not in the Emerald City. Yeah, that could be another animal concentration camp. I told you political goings on. This shot is intriguing to me.

[B]

I feel like this is the girl in the Bubble.

[A]

This is the sleeve dress. It's not. It's the sleeve dress again. This is Fallen House dress. And I don't think she's still wearing it as late as the girl in the Bubble. She'd be wearing that dress for a very long time if that was the case. I mean, she could be. Maybe it's all one long day.

[B]

Well, she seems to be wearing it during for good. It's this dressing for good.

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[B]

It is. It's a blue dress in for good.

[A]

She wears this dress a lot, then.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, she is wearing this dress more than once because this is the thank goodness dialogue.

[B]

I think this is her official dress. So everywhere she's official, she wears that. Because let's not forget in the original wizard of Oz movie, everywhere Glinda appears, she is in one dress.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

This is the whole, like, that's true.

[A]

If she wasn't Ariana Grande. I don't think Billy Burke had as many dresses written into her contract as Ariana Grande might.

[B]

But I feel like, I think there's a thing where we're seeing Glinda kind of the graduation of Glinda to being like, this is the image of Glinda the good.

[A]

So unless there's multiple napkin sleeve Dresses. What I think we're seeing here is that she seems to definitely be wearing this iridescent napkin sleeve dress when she's arguing with Fiyero. When he's saying, you can't resist all of this. And she's saying, who could? And he says, you know, who could and who has. And she's like, I miss her too. This normally takes place right in the middle of. Thank goodness. Before one of our favorite moments. Bridges you've crossed. You didn't know you crossed until you crossed. But we have also seen her wear the same dress. Circa Fallen House fighting with Elphaba wand and broom. So those are very separated moments.

[B]

Her official looks everywhere. She appears officially after. Thank goodness. That is the Glinda. The good look.

[A]

Yeah. Jonathan Bailey here reminding me why I got highlights. What's all of this other yellow stuff that we're seeing here?

[B]

So that looks like the building of yellow brick road or them fixing the yellow brick road after the twister. Those are the two moments I'm getting there. That looks like a building of or.

[A]

A repairing of the twister damaging the yellow brick road. If you know who. Where the twister came from.

[B]

Well, you're about to.

[A]

Which we're all about to talk about. But that's giving Reichstag fire. That's giving like from the inside. That's giving. Was it an inside job? So this is that very shot.

[B]

So they. I feel like this is a very big. I mean, even with part one, you could feel it. They are not hiding the fact that Madame Morrible is.

[A]

Well, they put out posters that made her look very villainy.

[B]

Yeah. And this is just revealing. Madame Morrible creates the twist.

[A]

Spoiler alert. In this shot, it's not even ambiguous. You see the twister outside the window and you see her giving it.

[B]

And they made it very clear when she was like the weather. Like, they really want you to know.

[A]

The point has been labored. She's got magical sleeves going on. Tornado. The window.

[B]

They're very clearly wanting her to be around. Then you see it heading towards Munchkin Land. Like they're really spelling. This is Dorothy coming.

[A]

You see, I think just, oh, for a second.

[B]

You see the house. Yeah, I can see the house going round in a circle.

[A]

Yeah. Approaching Monch Land. They felt so stressed since the episode of Desperate Housewives where a storm approached Wisteria Lane.

[B]

Oh, and this is her. As long as your mind looks.

[A]

It's technically by the end of as Long as yous're Mine. And there's something off one shoulder. The hair is down. Dare I say it has a post coital quality.

[B]

It does.

[A]

If you've read the original Gregory Maguire wicked novel, you will know that that gets specific in its detail. And I don't think we're going to go all the way there in this film adaptation.

[B]

They're making it very clear that they were very in love in the musical.

[A]

They get. They do get sort of cockblocked by the tornado. No, I think it's gonna be as long as you're mine. Then Morrible goes to do some magic and I think time has passed and good for them. Honestly, I can't remember if any of this dialogue was important, whether we should listen to any of this again. But we do see, once again, this shot we've seen a few times. Dorothy and friends.

[B]

Yeah. I don't think. I don't know if we're gonna see Dorothy's face at all.

[A]

I don't think we're gonna see Dorothy's face. I think it's becoming. I think with this. I think if we were going to see it, we'd have seen it in this trailer. Yeah. Yes. And so I don't think we're gonna.

[B]

But they want us to. But I think we are gonna follow all three. I think we will have scenes with. With the lion, scarecrow. I think this is an addition because if we're seeing lion's face, that's more than a musical to us in that too.

[A]

Got a lot of shots of Elphaba flying. Got some monkey action shots happening here. This is presumably them being freed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fiero with a. This is interesting. This is Fierro searching for Elphaba, making it look like he's hunting her. And this next shot, if it is actually married to the one before, is her seeing him from her hiding place. And I'm wondering, is that around the time of fallen house when the confrontation then happens, that's why. Or is it no place like home? Is it just like a generic, like Elphaba around Oz montage? Oh, seeing them all and seeing Fierro.

[B]

And then you get witch hunters.

[A]

Because I think by this point, the way she's looking at him here, they haven't reconnected yet. And she's wondering, what do you really think, Fieri? Because she's seeing him searching for her with intensity and she's trying to read into that.

[B]

So what's interesting right after this is you get March of the Witch Hunters and it's in Emerald City, which is interesting because in the musical it Kind of feels like the whole time that that's.

[A]

I think it's a swap. I think this. I might be wrong. I'm willing to be wrong about this. But in the musical, Every Day More Wicked is in Emerald City. They're all wearing green, giving it like some terrible green lizard. Throughout the land she flies. And March of the Witch Hunters is in Munchkinland.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Marching towards Kyamiko. Yeah, I think it's a swap. Interesting, because I think we've seen scenes in this that could have been Every Day More Wicked. But they are Munchkinland. But this, as you say, definitely seems to be an Emerald City set. March of the Witch Hunters. There's a bucket here that says melt her. If you're wondering which bit March the Witch Hunters is, it's wickedness must be punished. I'm wondering if they're going to fix the lyric that nobody has ever understood. It's at the end and I have sung from the official score. It. The lyric is wickedness must be punished. Punished. Punished but good. What does that mean? They could say for good as it must be punished for good. Which again, is the title of the film. Glinda looking upset once again in the puffy sleeve dress. I think that is for good. So you're right. She wears it multiple times.

[B]

And then this is thus March for Witch Hunters.

[A]

Yes. Exiting the gates of the Emerald City, waving flags, brandishing torches. Glinda looking horrified. That seems to suggest the shot I was talking about earlier of her approaching the bubble by night is around the time of Forgood. Postmarked to the Witch Hunters. I think she has dialogue with Morrible, possibly in or after this moment where she says, madam, we've got to stop this. It's gone too far. And she questions about the tornado and everything. And Morrible says to her, all of ours may have fallen for this aren't I good routine. But no, this was the new dialogue. This was the look at me, not through your eyes, but through theirs.

[B]

I think this is for good. I think that's an extended scene of her explaining to her why.

[A]

I think it's Elphaba saying, like, my reputation can't be salvaged. You need to understand the way they're always going to see me, which is heartbreaking.

[B]

And the softness. And also, I've noticed this, like, Glinda's taken her crown off. Crown off sleeves. This feels like for good.

[A]

Do the sleeves detach or is this a different dress? Not to be. You remember Windowgate circa the first Wicked movie? I'M on dress watch this time because the napkin sleeves are gone.

[B]

But I think this might be when we saw the hooded figure in on the famous hooded finger on the hooded figure. I think that's Glinda.

[A]

I have for a long time thought it was Glinda.

[B]

And this might be why she's not wearing anything. Because she's undercover going to find Elphaba.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. She's not meant to be there. This shot, by the way, is going to destroy me and all of us.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, it's a different dress.

[A]

No, that's the iridescent sparkle dress just without the napkin sleeves.

[B]

And then this next bit. This is the gun in the bubble.

[A]

You really think so?

[B]

100%.

[A]

They seem. They seem to have an extra meeting. We saw a bit of this in that first teaser trailer when she was like, elphaba, throp come down here.

[B]

Well, if you look around them, it vaguely looks like shiz.

[A]

I thought it vaguely looked like shiz.

[B]

It kind of gives me like a flashback to think of what it could have been as being there.

[A]

Yeah. And then there's this dialogue in different outfits of saying, do you have a plaque?

[B]

Unless it's for good.

[A]

I don't think it's for good.

[B]

Because she's wearing. If you look at.

[A]

No, it's a different dress.

[B]

No, it's a different dress.

[A]

And then it's a different dress again in the next scene. This is another different dress.

[B]

I think this is definitely one of the two new songs.

[A]

I don't think Elphaba is in Girl in the Bubble because she's just done no good deed and they're about to do for good.

[B]

But I don't think she's physically in it. I don't think this is literal.

[A]

I don't think she's. I don't think we see her in it at all. And then. Okay, this is where I just have questions because I don't know what this scene is. That's the two of them trying to come up with a plan together. That's clearly more light hearted. They're not mad at each other. There's no one with torches. This is earlier in the film for sure.

[B]

This feels like it's like a public event that.

[A]

Is this when there's still some hope of rehabilitating Elphaba's reputation?

[B]

Maybe this is another Glinda. Another Glinda thing like the Yellow Bridge.

[A]

She's come to visit her and she needs to escape without being seen. Does this lead into wonderful? Then we have whatever in the gay pride parade is happening with this next sequence.

[B]

This has to be wonderful.

[A]

This is the end of wonderful. When she's taken off the hat and the umbrella and set it down and been like, wizard, let's talk about this. And then at the end, she's seen Dylan and she's remembering, like, you know what? No hat me. I'm remembering who. Who I am.

[B]

I have a weird. This is my roguest theory.

[A]

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[B]

Is that Dillamond is not the animal.

[A]

Oh, that triggers the.

[B]

I don't think that's. I don't think it's Dillamund.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think how she saw Dillermund and finds Dillamond.

[A]

You want it to be Dulcibet.

[B]

I think it's Dulcibert. Because there was a thing that Sharon D. Clark is in part in For.

[A]

Good, who voices Dulciba.

[B]

And the only way she can be in it is if her character has some meaning. And I'm like, why include a character that basically was a mother figure for Elphaba if it's not going to be her? That's then going to be. Because here's the thing. What would like, we understand why Dr. Dillerman, but if we're including all of these other characters, I do wonder if the real heart of it. I mean, there's dull spare merch.

[A]

There is. There is. Which specifically is being released with the second.

[B]

I could wonder whether this. Whether the thing that breaks her is seeing the animal.

[A]

That was closest thing she had to a mother.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To any parent.

[B]

And if that's the real break point because it's her childhood. And maybe that's a throwback to, like, young Elphaba. Because we never spent a lot of time with young Elphaba.

[A]

Well, I wonder if some of that gets explored and there's no place like home.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

I wonder if that's her.

[B]

Maybe. It could be. It could be a throwback. Dulcibert could just be throwbacks. We don't really know where Dulcibear is at this point.

[A]

There's a shot of Fiero and the guards chasing some flying monkeys into the trees. I think this is just them. Oh, and Alphabet, I think this is just them trying to find her.

[B]

If it was Dulciber, you bet I would burst out crying.

[A]

What is this little split second pink shot?

[B]

That's shoes. That's Elphaba's shoes. There's two big boots.

[A]

But why?

[B]

I wonder if somebody's giving elphaba her Act 2 outfit. Because, I mean, how's she gonna get it?

[A]

It is too. It's Glinda. Glinda's the one taking it. I saw the iridescent dress.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's Glinda picking up.

[B]

So Glinda's, I think, putting on a disguise. No, no. Maybe. But my theory is that we have a meeting with the two of them. Could be a sense of. Of Glinda finding stuff for Elphaba.

[A]

Glinda giving Elphaba shoes is very interesting because of the whole con. Shoes and the wizard of Oz.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are a big. A big thing.

[B]

I don't know. That's kind of what it's giving me. But then straight after, you see hooded figure. The hooded figure.

[A]

So if that trailer was deliberately meant to be showing us Glinda picking up the boots, I think that's Glinda putting on a disguise to approach via horse. Because she can't go by bubble. How's she gonna get to Kyomiko? She can't rock up in the door.

[B]

Definitely. That is definitely Glinda on the horse.

[A]

Yeah, I think so.

[B]

100%. That's Glinda going to Keamuko and shout.

[A]

Out to us for saying from day one, who's on that horse?

[B]

Yeah. Because it's important. Then. This is the wedding.

[A]

We have been on that horse since the beginning. This is the wedding. All those butterflies. Is that what she calls her fans or is that a Katy Perry thing?

[B]

And then here we've got all the animals destroying the wedding.

[A]

We do. We do. Freedom. Stampede.

[B]

But this is why. Because it's all the animals. This is why. I just don't think Dillamund would make as much sense to me.

[A]

But it's the personal.

[B]

I know. But this is why I'm just going deep.

[A]

That looks like a giant alpaca. Look at this. Some great animal action happening here.

[B]

And then there's, like, a fight on the yellow brick road with all the animals.

[A]

Love that for them.

[B]

You can see on the side all the yellow. There's the painting and the bricks that.

[A]

Are about to be laid. Yeah.

[B]

But then is this earlier?

[A]

I think that's early. I think that's while they're building the road. And she's just trying to be free animals disruptive. Yeah.

[B]

And then she flies through and hits someone.

[A]

She does. We had a shot of Glinda, meaning business with her wand approaching the bubble. We have a Glyn. Oh. We have an Alpha Bren Fierro levitation embrace. That's obviously as long as you're fine.

[B]

And then we get into spoiler. Like these spoilers of all spoilers.

[A]

Here it goes. Here it goes. Goes. We see a face. You see the face of the Tin Man. I don't think the face is recognizable, but the voice.

[B]

We hear the voice is. And it's also. What happened to me. And you can tell you're in Munchkin Land. It doesn't take a real good look.

[A]

At the Tin man face there.

[B]

And then you get Cowardly Lion. This is us again, seeing lion in a whole different way than we've ever.

[A]

Yeah. We never normally get to spend that much time.

[B]

Could this be with Elphaba?

[A]

Oh, and she's trying. Elphaba finds him, but he's too scared.

[B]

He's too scared and runs away from her. And we build.

[A]

Really be heartbreaking.

[B]

I think that's what we're gonna see is her.

[A]

And, you know, you try and help.

[B]

A lion, like, to build her, like, what her and lions.

[A]

Then we get one of the most revealing shots of the entire trailer, which is Marisa Bodhi as Nessarose not standing.

[B]

But flying with red shoes.

[A]

With red shoes. Or at least glowing red.

[B]

With glowing red shoes and striped.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. The iconic Wicked Witch of the east aesthetic happening there. Which, if you didn't know up to this point, surprise. That's who she becomes. And you should know that from wizard of Oz, anyway, because it's never been a secret that that's the Wicked Witch of the West.

[B]

But this also explains the, like, what they said about. It's not about her walking.

[A]

There has been some public statement made about how Marissa was in conversation with, I think, with Winnie Holtzman and with the adapters and with everyone involved to Kind of rework the plotline around Nessa being given the ability to walk and that solving all her problems and that being inherently problematic and them not necessarily wanting to do cgi specifically of her walking. But levitating is a different way of interpreting that, which is interesting.

[B]

Mem. It kind of fits a bit more with Elphaba. Like the idea of Elphaba with her broom is able to travel so far.

[A]

And we've seen her do a lot of levitation spells.

[B]

Yeah. And has powers.

[A]

Levitation is what she was working on in the first film and ultimately did very successfully. So levitation for her sister would make more sense. The Red Shoes is interesting because I guess it was. They were never read in the book. They were silver.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In the Wonderful wizard of Oz.

[B]

And they just got hot. And that's where the red came from.

[A]

Well, so they were red in the wizard of Oz movie because they wanted to celebrate Gloria's Technica.

[B]

And then they couldn't use the red and anything else because it was copyrighted.

[A]

So then they were silver again.

[B]

But they.

[A]

The stage.

[B]

But they are lit red.

[A]

They are lit red. Everyone always has this Mandela effect thing where they're like. They turn red in the show.

[B]

They're lit red.

[A]

And I'm like, no, they are momentarily under a red light because they are, like, burning with heat during the magic. But then they go back to being so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they never change.

[B]

No.

[A]

In the show.

[B]

Because she says, oh, they're hot, they're heat.

[A]

And this is also in the moment of transformation. But I wonder if they could stay read after. I don't know whether there's a copyright thing on the shoes still at this.

[B]

Stage after you see Nessarosi's elated joy. That is the scarecrow.

[A]

That is.

[B]

There is no hiding the scarecrow.

[A]

Final moments of the stage show.

[B]

There is also no hiding. One, that it's a scarecrow, and two, who it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There is no hiding who that is or whatever. It's very clear what's going on.

[A]

That's one of the last things we usually see in the stage show. That's. You don't have to lie to me. It's not lying. It's looking at things a different way.

[B]

And I think that's still that moment. Because that looks like Keanu Co. That's.

[A]

Usually how she's dressed in that moment. The hair is down. She's sleeveless. We cut back to.

[B]

She looks relaxed.

[A]

We cut back to Glinda and entourage in Teal. This is definitely a musical number. They're all dancing. But I don't know what song this is. Is this thank goodness?

[B]

I think this is thank goodness. And I think they're trying to make a TikTok moment out of thank goodness. Like in dear old Shiz.

[A]

This is definitely. They're going for TikTok choreography, aren't they? Here. It's going to be something with the books again.

[B]

Fanny and Shen Chen right behind. Oh, they're in the teal. This is thank goodness.

[A]

I know. But the thing that it immediately said to me is it we love you, Glinda, if we may be so frank. Thank goodness.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Except that comes right after bridges you've crossed. And we just saw her in Munchkinland with Fiero having that fight.

[B]

I think this is. Let's not Forget in Act 1 in Film 1. One short day had a whole new segment in it. It. And there are many. And dancing Through Life had extended dance breaks.

[A]

The ensemble are singing when they're doing this choreography. And I will. I will spend more time trying to figure out what it is that their lips look like. They are saying there's a banner in the back that says your heart's desire. It's very Eva Peron money. Kept rolling in vibes. She's not singing. So it's something where they're singing about.

[B]

I think it's we love you, Glinda. There's probably just Nick's. After British U brought. This is probably just an extended dance break.

[A]

I think it's. I think it's a time jump. It's a montage going back to the Emerald City. Here's where it gets really weird. We're back in the gay pride parade and they're doing their little ease to each other. Sentimental men broke my heart when they speculated. This was months ago. And they said. Do you think in the final moment before Glinda goes to hide and Elphaba gets melted that they're going to give each other like a sad one of those. I know.

[B]

I didn't see that.

[A]

But this is a happy one. Look how smiley she is. And it's the two of them dance together. This doesn't feel like.

[B]

And then he turns both of them. The wizard's there.

[A]

Yeah. Or is just Glinda just in wonderful now. Is that what this is? There's something different about that.

[B]

There's something different. It's either that or it's the book. Or there's two versions. It's either that and they're both in Wonderful. Or this is linked to the them flying on that broomstick. And one of the songs like no Place Like Home or the Girl in the Bubble is like one of them singing how they wish that you keep.

[A]

Wanting to be this girl in the bubble.

[B]

I just. I just feel like one of these two new songs is going to be the. I wish it was like this and I could see it being the girl in the bubble. And that's you seeing. Because here's my thing between I'm not that Girl reprise and For Good. We never have a song where you. You hear Glinda open her eyes properly to Alphabet. You don't get back because she's still.

[A]

In her feels, she's still in her fields. And that's why you need for good for them to have the apology.

[B]

So I feel.

[A]

I don't think the Girl in the Bubble is about Elphaba at all. I think that's Glinda looking at herself and looking at what she has become and being like, do I really mean anything? Do I have any integrity? I think that's not about Elphaba and I think Elphaba's not going to appear. It can't be about Elphaba because they're about to mend all of their stuff and for good. And it can't step on the toes of for good.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I think no Place Like Home is not about Glinda, but I think that may be so. I think that may be the most recent of Elfa flying around, saving animals, being like, is this a choice I've made? I know this is what my life is now. I can't go back home. And maybe she's spying on Fiyero, hunting her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think that's maybe as close as we get. That's my working theory about.

[B]

My theory is one of the two of them. One of the two songs has them flashbacking and it's them seeing everything through a. If it had been perfect. And this is the version of that.

[A]

Oh, so do you think that's a throwback where there was a dancing that could have happened?

[B]

And I think them on the broomstick and coming down is if they'd have said, because here's the thing, they're both on the broomstick. Which would have been Glinda saying yes to going with Elfie because she didn't get on the broomstick.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

This is why I felt like. And then the two of them spinning together with the wizard is like, what if we'd have both. Both been the people to go with.

[A]

I think it could just be wonderful. And it could just be like. Imagine what it could be like. It does sound wonderful because she considers it during that song. I think it could just be within the context of Wonderful. Maybe.

[B]

Maybe it could be. Wonderful's not as fun as song. That's Dorothy. That's very clearly Dorothy's pigtails.

[A]

Glinda in the Iridescent. Minus the napkin sleeves. Just so we all know where we stand.

[B]

The next bit is the scene of Fierro taking sides with Elphaba.

[A]

Yeah. Which usually happens right after Wonderful.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But seems to put us again in another different location. There's something about the logistics of this that seem.

[B]

And then this next bit is that the two of them on the broomstick that went up and down.

[A]

What's the dialogue they're saying here? Let's take a listen. Think of what we could do together. Oh, it's a throwback to the Defying Gravity dialogue.

[B]

Do you know what? I think it could be wonderful. This could be her saying, yes and.

[A]

Doing Glinda's part of Wonderful now. Being like, yeah, listen to the wizard.

[B]

And she's going to do it and goes up and does it all.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

But I wonder how Wonderful then ends. You're right. Something has to be different here.

[B]

I just don't. In the context of the first film and the context of how Dillamund is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just don't know if Dillamund's got as much weight in these two films.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Which is why I think it would be Dulcibel. But this is. That's like my really rogue theory. It's just that I don't know if. I don't know why you would include a character like Dulcibert where it adds so much new depth to Elphaba and her bringing up and her upbringing, which I think is deeper than the relationship she has with Dillamund. That I would find it weird in this context.

[A]

Yeah. We have reacted. We have taken a look through every single frame. Do you have any shifted overall final thoughts about the trailer? They've given a lot of stuff away, if you're willing to look for it. But I'm not sure it's the biggest revelations necessarily.

[B]

It's basically proving that all the key points from a musical will happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, we know all Vanessa stuff will happen. All the box stuff will happen. All the key songs are definitely in there. All the key beats are in there.

[A]

Some of the most interesting stuff to me is how it's going to be introduced. What do the first five, ten minutes look like? That's what I'm fascinated about.

[B]

My intrigue, as I've probably said in all of these ones for this part and for. I think everything we said, is how much of Dorothy's friends we get.

[A]

Because, like, whether you see scenes with them on the road pretending they don't.

[B]

Know each other and how the timelines work with Dorothy and being with them, because I still don't fully understand how you can shift over quickly the time of her meeting Scarecrow, Tin man and the Lion. Because I just. Like, in the Musical, I'm like, oh, we have to get there in this half an hour, like act two.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But knowing the process of Wicked and knowing when Dorothy is in the Emerald City with them and then has to come all the way back to Kyamako, which means we're going to have the reveal of Scarecrow a lot earlier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe it's just the background and they're gonna dupe people into not thinking it, but they've given it away. In the trailer.

[A]

What normally happens after no Good Deed? Oh, it's then March of the Witch Hunters. So in Wicked, the Musical, there is X amount of time that passes between no Good Deed and March of the Witch Hunters, at which point Elphaba's gone, like, fine, I'll be Wicked then.

[B]

And in March Hunters, you see Tim Manor and Lion, but just them.

[A]

I'm intrigued, now that I think about it, to find out whether or not she really does become Wicked. Because the Musical was never all the way saying, like, she was never wicked. It was just like, here's how she got there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But with Cynthia's Elphaba, I don't think that's gonna be what it is. I think she's at all times gonna be more reasonable. But it's become about how she has perceived, how she has been vilified by society. And I don't think she ever. Even with no Good Deed being what it is, I think it's interesting to see how Daenerys Targaryen, circa the last season of Game of Thrones, she becomes. Yeah, that's my. That's my curiosity. And of course, we also have a lot of questions about Glinda's many dresses. Yeah. And what exactly is happening with Wonderful. What is that sequence of the two of them on the double broom swing that reminds me of and Juliet. And also what their two new songs are gonna look like. And what those songs.

[B]

And my big one is. Is it Dillamund or Dulciba?

[A]

Is it Dillamund or Dulcie Bear?

[B]

I Didn't think that would be a thing until now. And now I just don't know.

[A]

I think Dulcie Bear is going to be recalled and we might find out what happened to Dulcie Bear already in the past. Because if Dulcie Bear becomes a huge motivator for her a few scenes before, no good deed, it's going to become conspicuous that her name isn't in the lyrics. Unless they change it to be like Nessa Dulcibel. Like who's getting. Who's getting cut to make room for Dulcie Bear? Or we're just adding a bar. Nessa Dillermund Dulcibert Fiero.

[B]

Interesting. I just don't. Yeah, I don't know. I just felt like that was such a. A different vibe during that whole intro. The whole young Elphaba, the whole Dulcibert, the whole.

[A]

Because Dillermund is an interesting speculation.

[B]

Dillerman's still important in it. Yeah. I just feel like there's something in my brain that says there's more to Heather Meets the Eye.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I bet you this is not the case when the film comes out.

[A]

Yeah, we will see and we will find out. And on so many fronts. We are going to have to wait and see the film this November. I am more excited than I have ever been at this stage and I hope that you are as well. If you want to know more about our thoughts about Wicked for good. In the meantime, if you want us to expand on our thoughts from that trailer, let me know in the comments down below. Share all of your thoughts and insights. If you think there's anything we got wrong in our analysis there or anything that we missed, then feel free to share your thoughts in the comments section down below as well. I know you are also many of you huge musical theatre and Wicked fans so we can benefit from your expertise also. In the meantime, thank you for hopefully enjoying this video and for possibly for the very last time. I know letting us react to a Wicked trailer here on social media because we knew you all. We have been changed for good. If you did enjoy this, make sure to subscribe to my theater themed YouTube channel. Follow the both of us on social media. We will be posting a lot about the Wicked movie and all the related merchandise and marketing and everything else about it. When it arrives in cinemas there will be many videos about it from me right here on YouTube. There will be spoiler free and spoiler inclusive reviews. Who knows what else it will generate in terms of conversation, but the conversation will be happening right here. Make sure you're subscribed here on YouTube. Turn on notifications and in the meantime, as always, I hope that everyone is staying safe and that you have a stagey day.

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