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2511: How Do You Know You Are Doing Fitness the Right Way? (Listener Live Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: How do you know you are doing fitness the right way? You can tell by the fruits it produces. (2:03) This is a reminder of how terribly...
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Sal DiStefano
If you want to pump your body.
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Adam Schafer
And expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal Destefano, Adam Schafer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, callers called in. We got to help them out on air. We got to coach people on air. That's a good time. But that was after the intro. The Intro today was 56 minutes long. In the intro, we talk about science and fitness and family life. It's a good time. By the way, if you want to call in, get coached on air. Email us your question live@mindpumpmedia.com now, this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Organifi. Today we talked about the red juice. If you go to organifi.com mindpump use the code mindpump, you'll get 20% off. This episode's also we talked about or sponsored by excuse me, Ned. And in today's episode, we talked about their de stress formula. This is packed with cannabinoids like cbd and it has botanicals like ashwagandha, great for stress. Go check them out. Get yourself 20% off. Go to helloned.com mindpump Use the code mind Pump to get that discount. We also have four workout program bundles, each one of them $300 or more off. Check this out. We have the new to weightlifting bundle, the Body Transformation Bundle, the the New Year Extreme Intensity bundle, and the body transformation bundle 2.0. All of them massively discounted. All of them available right now. Go to maps january.com all right, here comes the show.
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Justin Andrews
T shirt time.
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Sal DiStefano
And it's T shirt time.
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Justin Andrews
Ah, shit, Doug. You know it's my favorite time of the week.
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Sal DiStefano
Got three winners this week. One for Apple Podcasts, two for Facebook. The Apple podcast winner is Periwinkle Clover. And for Facebook, we have Arkie Calathrakis, Sarah and Sarah Rogers Kinchelo. All three of you are winners. Send the names I just read to iTunes. Mindpumpmedia.com include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you.
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Adam Schafer
How do you know you're doing fitness the right way? Well, like a healthy tree, you could tell by the fruit it produces. And no, I'm not talking about how fit you look, how ripped you are, how buff you are. There are other fruits you should pay attention to, and if you have them, you know you're doing it right.
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Doug
It's a great biblical recipe.
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Justin Andrews
I was just gonna say that, bro. Oh, my.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, my God.
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Doug
I've never heard this before.
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Adam Schafer
This guy is a great way to explain what we're gonna talk about. It really is.
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Doug
I like it. We're gonna start doing fitness parables.
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Adam Schafer
Hey, listen, it makes perfect sense. I will go down the list. Absolutely. Yeah, we will go down the list. And the reason.
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Justin Andrews
It's amazing how much sense in that book.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, I know.
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Doug
I'm not knocking.
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Adam Schafer
Wish somebody told me, you know, you know what's. And I clarified by saying it's not how you look, because there are a lot of people that look shredded and jacked and muscular and whatever, but they're not doing fitness the right way because it's actually causing problems. It's dysfunctional. We know a lot of people like this in our space. In fact, I would say a majority of people that work in the fitness space do it the wrong way in that particular sense. So the first one is you are less stressed. It is not a cause of your stress. So what does it look like when fitness causes stress for you? You're worried about your workouts. You're worried that you missed that meal or you went on a vacation. What am I going to do? I'm going on vacation. What am I going to eat? What am I going to do? The holidays are here. I can't gain a single pound. I. I can't skip a workout. It's stressing me out. I'm tracking and counting everything. And if I don't. I don't know what's going on here that is wrong. It should cause you more. You should have more freedom and less stress, not more stress.
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Doug
A lot of times you could see it's literally on their face. Like, you could see the. The bags under their eyes. You could see the gauntness. You could see, like, these visible signs that they're pushing through regardless of what their body's trying to signal to them.
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Justin Andrews
This is a hard one because a lot of people, like, for example, will say that, you know, this is working out and everything. Like that is something that they. They do to de. Stress or to have balance and be healthy in their life. But that same person, too, you know, because of something happens the night before or that day emergency happens, they can't get their workout. And now they are just. They're angry, they're miserable, they're short. That's right through all these things. And it's just like, oh, it's because I didn't get my workout. But I mean, that's an unhealthy relationship. Also, with exercise, you can't ebb and flow with life, and you can't miss the gym for even a few days a week in a row without it affecting your mood like that. You've got an unhealthy relationship with it. You have somewhat of an addiction to it and understanding it's a. There's a very fine line with that healthy, good relationship with it, to the obsessive side of it.
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Adam Schafer
No, I'm so glad you said it that way. Right. Because a lot of people might be listening, going, oh, it's. It's my stress relief. That's not me. And it's like, you know, here's how you test yourself. What happens when you miss a workout? What happens when you miss that perfect meal or you go on a vacation, or it's a. Or you're at a birthday party and you're going to eat things that are not in your meal plan? Does it cause you stress? If it does, you're not doing fitness the right way. You're actually turning it into something that's not good for you.
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Justin Andrews
And the reason why this is another hard one is because these are the people that tend to be the fittest. These tend to be the people that are admired and respected for their fitness, knowledge and the way they keep themselves so in shape all year long. And so they've been getting people praising them for all of their life for the way they go about this. And many times have this attitude that this is the. The better or the right way to be. And they try and influence their people, family, friends, clients, to pursue this same type of relationship with exercise. And it's arguably as unhealthy.
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Adam Schafer
That's right. Next would be you have more vitality. Now, I use the word vitality because when I say energy, sometimes people confuse it with being hyper or being wired. That's not the same. Vitality means you're just more alive. In other words, you're not more tired, more sore, or more stiff. You'll see this often with people who overtrain. They do too much. They go to the gym too often, they train too hard. And so when they're not in the gym, they just kind of feel stiff and sore and fatigued. They find themselves crashing, needing more caffeine to stay awake. They just don't feel more vital. This is especially true post workout. Post workout. You should feel. We've said this many, many times on the podcast. You should feel better at the end of a workout than you did at the beginning. Not better in the sense that you survived and I accomplished something, but actually more energized. I mean, I work out before we do the podcast, and if I come in here feeling dead, I know that the workout was inappropriate or too hard or maybe I should have skipped. When I come in here and I feel great and alive and we have great podcasts, it's because I know I did it right.
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Justin Andrews
I mean, I'm pretty sure you said that first, because I still use that because that's an easy way for me to even check in with myself. Because, you know, we love working out. And easily I can toe that line. And so it's a. It's a real easy generic gauge on. Was that appropriate or did I overreach? Is. Did I. Did I get in my car, crush.
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Doug
Me, or do I have energy?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Did I get in my car and leave? And the rest of the day, I'm more active. And I talk about this a lot, too, about how I've connected those dots of why I love working out, what working it does for me. Less about the physical side of it, but, like, I'm a better husband. I help my wife out more around the house because I worked out. And if the workout was crushing me to where I want to come home, I just want to lay down. Yeah. Then I know that I'm overreaching and I'm doing too much in there. And just because you feel that sense of accomplishment after you get done lifting doesn't necessarily mean that it was an appropriate amount of intensity.
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Adam Schafer
That's right. Next is you are happier. So the opposite of this, people would say, well, you're sad or whatever. No, it's irritable. And you're concerned with what it looks like is you're concerned with comparing yourself to others. If you do fitness wrong, you'll go into it finding yourself comparing yourself more and more to people who look better than you, who are stronger than you, who. Who are maybe doing it better than you are, and you'll find yourself become more and more miserable. You'll find this often with fitness fanatics. Fitness fanatics where they're working out, they're eating perfect, but they don't seem to be any happier. In fact, they seem like they're miserable unless they're working out. And it's because they're comparing themselves with other people, and their happiness depends on how they look in comparison to the people around them. When you do fitness right, it doesn't matter what other people look like. It doesn't matter what other people are doing, you're just feeling better. You're feeling better overall, happier.
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Justin Andrews
I feel like this one has become more and more challenging the last decade.
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Adam Schafer
With just the social media.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. With Instagram. And it's, it's so interesting how, and we're, I mean, I'm guilty of this too. Like, you follow, you know, x amount of people and you know, if you're into working out or you're motivated that time and so you decide that you're going to follow all these pages. You don't realize how that starts to shape your reality and how actually rare and unusual it is to see, you know, 6% body fat and jacked people like that. But when you, when your, your reality becomes the social media thing that you check in with multiple times a day, every single day, you end up seeing more of that than you actually see real people in the real world. And it starts to, your reality starts to drift.
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Adam Schafer
It's disordered.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. And then, then it, and it starts to suck. What is the, the, the thief of joy? Yeah, Ye person is a thief of joy. You know, all. You know, you might have been really happy and content with the way you look and feel and where you're at in your fitness school, but because you've decided to follow all these pages that look crazy, you now start to compare yourself to all these other fitness influencer people and, and it robs your joy.
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Doug
Yeah. There's an exponential amount of more examples of these people that you can look at, you know, because of social media. It's funny, I was talking to my wife about this a bit. We used to go trained together at this gym and there was always the, the gym enemy, the arch enemy, the one that was in there that had your body tied was a little bit better physique than you, you know, kind of walks in and she'd always get mad when this one girl is there. I'm like, stop looking at her. You know, this is about you. But yeah, I think it's very common thing that just your eyes just kind of go towards something that like, you know, wow, that looks really good. I want to do that. But really, once you really internalize it and you just pay attention to what you're doing, you get so much more out of it.
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Justin Andrews
I always like the great example we give too, because I think everybody's also experienced this before of, you know, never being really content, always wanting more and stuff like that. And then like say 5 years or 10 years goes down the road and then you look back at that picture, damn, I look so good back then. And you're like, but if I actually would honest with myself, how did I perceive myself in that moment? Oh, when I think about it, I was chasing this look or whatever like that. And it's wild because you have to remove yourself from that self sometimes to go, oh, wow, I actually wasn't.
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Doug
The goal is to acknowledge it in the present, right? That's really hard to do.
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Adam Schafer
Look, I mean, take our word for it. Like we, we are in the fitness space. We have the top fitness podcast in the world. So that means we get to meet a lot of these quote unquote social media perfect, you know, bodies or whatever. And I'm going to tell you something right now. You don't want to trade places with them. They might look that way. Many of them, by the way, don't they look that way because of the way they take the pictures and Photoshop and whatever. But you don't want to trade places with them. They're not happy. It's definitely not worth it. And by the way, we manage gyms for years. There's already a self selection bias of people who work out. When you're in a gym, the amount of people you see with a six pack in the gym at any given moment is tiny. It's almost never. It's almost never. That's how rare it is. But you wouldn't know that because your algorithm shows you these people all the time and you think this is just what people look like when they work out. It's not. Next up is you are more secure, not more insecure. Here's what can happen when you do fitness wrong. You start working out and you start becoming hyper aware of your imperfections. All of a sudden you're working out and you're more worried about how you look. You're more concerned about your appearance. You start to hate yourself even more. If you pursue fitness through self care, you start to care more about yourself, not hate yourself more. So you actually become more secure with your body. Fitness done right makes you feel more secure even if you don't get crazy results, not more insecure. If you're finding yourself pursuing fitness, you're six months in and you're like, I'm more insecure with wearing certain things. I'm more insecure with presenting myself a certain way. I'm more body conscious in the negative sense. You're doing it wrong.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, I feel like a good exercise for this. Or to know if, if you're, you've reached this is if you can go up or down 3% body fat and it not affect your confidence level.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
And, and I think that if you find somebody who £5 on the scale. Yeah. If you, if you find somebody who's really obsessed with their body fat percentage or the way they look in their mirror, them going 3 or 4% north or south really messes with them, messes with their security, their comfort level, their confidence. And that's. And when you think about it from a health perspective, that's such a, such a small percentage to move up or down that is not significantly impacting your health whatsoever. In fact, you could potentially getting healthier adding a few percent body fat depending on how lean you were. And so that is a great measure of, like, okay, how secure am I with my fitness and myself? Because I should be able to easily ebb and flow 5 to 10 pounds or 3 to 5% body fat and it not ruin my confidence.
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Adam Schafer
That's right. And then lastly, is you are health focused, not body focused. If you do fitness right, your main concern is, does this improve the quality of my life and am I healthier? Not how do I look? If your main priority. Now, I'm not saying how you look isn't something that you think about or is a concern, but if it's your top concern, if it's your top priority, you're doing fitness wrong. And I'm going to tell you something right now that's going to blow people's minds. If you do it right and you bear all the fruits that we're talking about, the good ones, you'll become more fit, you'll look better, you'll be healthier. If you pursue it wrong and you get all those negative effects, eventually you'll lose the whatever you're chasing, which is to look as good as you possibly could or whatever, you'll start to lose that as your health begins to fade. Because with poor health comes poor aesthetics and the poor looks. With good health, all the good looks follow. So the irony of what we're saying is the stuff that you're chasing and doing it the wrong way, you're not going to get either. You have to do it the right way, regardless whether you want it, whether you just want the good food or not, you just want to look better, you have to pursue it the right way.
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Justin Andrews
Chase health and aesthetics will follow.
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Adam Schafer
That's it, 100%. Now, along those lines with this. You know, we've said this line many, many times on the podcast. Adam's the first one to say it, and it's We've repeated it many, many times. And I want to go a little deeper into it. And it's. The quote is, you want to do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. And I think that's important to understand because the least amount of work with exercise is actually the best dose as well. It's not that you're getting away with the least, it's that that will consistently produce the best results across the board.
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Doug
That's what you can build off of.
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Adam Schafer
And I want to separate a couple things with this, okay? Because people then think, well, does that mean I'm not going to be active? No. There's two main general. There's crossover here, but two main general categories with exercise. One of them is stress producing and one of them is just activity, okay? Or recuperating or rejuvenating. Okay? Stress producing activity. The goal of that is to trigger an adaptation response. So I want to get stronger, I want to improve my stamina, I want to get more flexible, I want to build muscle. That's the stress side of exercise, okay? The other side is just activity. And this is like walking and hiking and playing with your kids and just moving. You're not chasing an adaptation. You're not playing with your kids because you want to get more stamina. You're not going hiking because you want to build muscle. You're not going for a walk because you're trying to run a marathon. You're just doing those things to be active and to feel good. The stress side of exercise is what we're referring to when we say do the least amount of work to elicit the most amount of change. When you're looking at your total activity, the stress forms of exercise, the minimum amount to produce the adaptation is the best amount. So I want to make sure I communicate that. Because sometimes people get confused and they think what we're trying to say is do nothing. No, no. Being active every day is phenomenal. It's great. It's the hard stuff that you need to pay attention to and do the least amount to list at the most.
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Justin Andrews
I'm so glad you broke it down like that. Because I think whenever I do say that, the misinterpretation or the people that it doesn't sink in with are the ones that think that another way is still a faster, better approach. You know, it's just like, okay, I get why they're saying that, but I still don't care. I'm trying to get it there as fast as I possibly Can. It's like, believe it or not, that is also the quickest and most efficient way that you can do it. It's hard for people to wrap their brain around that because. And I really think it's just because almost everything else in our life serves us to do more, to give, to go harder, to do more. And that is going to end up getting you a greater return on most everything else that you do. And investing in education and effort towards a sport, towards a thing like the more you do, the harder you do it, the longer you do it, the better return. Unfortunately, when it comes to body composition change and pursuing health, that doesn't science.
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Doug
It doesn't math process in general. It's like, if people can understand how that works, it makes perfect sense in the fact that, like, you don't overwhelm it. Like, it's. It needs to be able to have that perfect amount, that perfect dose. And the only way to find that is to, you know, gradually kind of bring yourself up into that intensity.
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Adam Schafer
I like to think of it like a light switch. You push a light switch just hard enough to turn it on. Now, once it's on, it's on. Now imagine if I push the light switch on and it's on. And now I'm just applying more and more pressure and pushing it. It's already on, but now I'm just gonna break it. Now I'm just gonna break the light switch. That's what happens with the adaptation process. The minimum dose to elicit the adaptation wheels is the best dose. And that's the stress side. Again, that doesn't mean don't be active every day. Don't do. Go ahead and do that stuff. But the stuff that's challenging, that's what you want to do, the minimum effective dose. Because again, that's the. The best dose, you know, along this. These lines of health and all that stuff. I got. I got to tell you guys about Josh, our editor, and what he's doing with caffeine. And it just reminds me of how terribly abused caffeine is in modern society. So Josh comes in, we're hanging out. By the way, I love this kid. He's one of our editors, and he's such a disciplined kid. Such a disciplined kid. And he comes in, and I don't remember what he was saying, and I caught a little bit of his conversation. I said, what do you do? He's like, oh, I'm 40 days without caffeine.
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Doug
40.
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Adam Schafer
40. And I'm like, what? Wow. I thought it was 40 days.
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Doug
Wow.
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Adam Schafer
I'm like, how much were you averaging? He's like, oh, it was about 300 milligrams, I think is what he said a day before. And I said, well, what made you stop? This is, by the way, young kid. Right? So he's such great discipline and awareness. He's like, I was getting energy crashes throughout the day. So I cut it out cold turkey. And he said, it sucked for about a week. And I said, well, how do you feel now? He goes, I have consistent energy throughout the day. I fall asleep super easy. I wake up super easy. A lot of people don't realize that caffeine. Consistent caffeine use and scaling the dose up results in the opposite of what you feel you'll get crashes throughout the day.
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Justin Andrews
I mean, that's always my indicator of like, I've gone too far.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
And it normally looks like this. You know, however many milligrams you're at, you bump and then you feel like, oh, this is. I'm feeling good again. Oh, then you bump again. Then, oh, you're feeling good. And then eventually you reach this. I gotta do that much just to feel normal. And then you decide, oh, I'm gonna go a little higher, see if I can get that feeling again. You get that and you get maybe, maybe initial rector. You feel it like a little bit. But then shortly after, you get tired.
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Adam Schafer
And it's a crushing.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, it's an awful. It's like, oh, this is awful. I've drank all that caffeine today and I feel like this.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
That's when you know it's been too much and you gotta go back the other direction. And yeah. For a kid his age to already have the awareness and, and to do that without being told or that's.
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Adam Schafer
I think, I think everybody needs to do a, like a, A. A regular scheduled caffeine detox.
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Justin Andrews
Now is. He is. So he went cold turkey, but did he reintroduce things like the red juice or anything?
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Adam Schafer
Oh, he's using the red juice.
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Justin Andrews
Okay.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. He's using organifies red juice.
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Justin Andrews
Yes. That's smart.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Justin Andrews
Because the rhodiola that helps so much.
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Adam Schafer
It does help a lot.
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Justin Andrews
I know. It's a huge difference. By using that.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Because you go caffeine cold turkey. Cut it out. It like, make no mistake, caffeine is a drug. It's a real drug. I've said this before. If we discovered it today, it'd probably be illegal. The LD50 on it is remark is not as high as other drugs are illegal. You get withdrawal symptoms that are nasty. Like you cut caffeine out. It's like migraines, irritability.
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Justin Andrews
I, dude, I think it's like, I mean I know every individual is going to have a different experience, but it's easy for me when I do it this way. And so peak for me is 600 milligrams which is basically a cup of coffee and two energy drinks. That's when I, when I know I'm peaking. It's like this is, then I gotta come the other way when I hit that point and I know I gotta go back the what I do right away. Drop one and replace with a red deuce drink at that same time that I would do.
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Adam Schafer
So you just scale it down.
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Justin Andrews
And then, and then after I've done that for about a week or two and I'm feeling good, I take the second one out. Two red drinks right now that I have for that and then three and then, then I don't need anything.
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Adam Schafer
And you don't get the crazy.
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Justin Andrews
No, nothing. It's actually easy. Yeah, that, that red juice in replace of the energy drink at that time is just enough to like mitigate and not make me feel like it's got.
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Adam Schafer
It, it's got adaptogens in it that give you some energy. So I think that's what takes the edge off the rhodiola and some of those stuff in there. So I was asking about that. He's like, yeah, I've been using it on a regular basis.
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Justin Andrews
But I'm sure, I'm sure if I went all three and just one energy drink, I mean one.
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Adam Schafer
You still feel.
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Justin Andrews
So I'd feel that. But this scale back one at a time like that and replace, it's actually not hard.
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Adam Schafer
I'm planning on doing that soon. I, I, I get those energy crashes. I'm like, it's got to be the caffeine dude. And you know, you get the energy crash, you're irritable. And then I'm a jerk. You know what I mean? I'm a jerk around people. Like I don't want to be a jerk. You know everybody speaking of being a jerk, I tell you guys what I do with my kid yesterday.
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Doug
Oh no.
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Adam Schafer
So my son, right, my 4 year old, he's just like, he's just full of boy energy. People who have kids and boys know what I'm talking about. Just that boy energy. Like he just wants to throw things. He wants to shoot his Nerf gun at people when we tell him not to. He wants to like, he wants to, you know, hit you in the butt. Because you say, don't hit me in the butt. And that's what he wants to do. Like, he wants to wrestle. So we're just. It's fun. I love it. I have a good time. But he crosses the line a little bit. So he has a little Nerf gun. And his mom tells. Like, don't aim this at people. Because he's got a little sister, right? So he could hit her and whatever. And so, of course, what's he do? He shoots me with it. And so I, you know, I take it from. And he's upset or whatever, so he gets mad. I'm like, listen, buddy, you can't shoot me with it. I'll give it back to you later. But, you know, it's dangerous. Feed your sister, et cetera, et cetera. So he goes over and he gets this. We have this big. Like, it's not a rubber ball, but it's like a big plastic. So it's not heavy like rubber, but it's one of those big plastic balls or whatever. And so he's throwing it at me, right? And he. But he's doing it with a little anger. And so I'm like, hey, dodgeball energy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I can. I could tell he's a little irritated with me, right? So he's throwing it at me. So he throws it and I block it, but I pretend like it hit me in the eye. Cause I wanna see what he would say.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So I'm like, oh, my eye. And he's like, I don't care. I don't care. I'm like, no. I'm like, no, you hit me in the eye.
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Justin Andrews
It really hurts.
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Adam Schafer
So I'm like, I'm gonna stretch this out.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So I'm walking around like, oh, gosh, that really hurts. And I could tell now by this point, he's a little bit like, wait.
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Doug
Is my dad serious Concerned?
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Adam Schafer
Is he joking? He's like, you didn't hurt your eye? I said, yeah, I did. I really did. He goes, no, no, you didn't. I said, yeah, I did. So I go over to. I go, I gotta show you a picture. I go over to our cupboards. We have, like, Band Aids and stuff in there. So when he's not looking, I open the thing and I take out gauze and I color some red marker on it. I put it on my eye, and I got two, like, little blue into that length. God damn, you went far. You know this guy. I took two bluey band. My daughter's bluey.
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Justin Andrews
You know, his son's been fucking with him. When he goes that far, this little shit, I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna give it to him.
- [24:57]
Adam Schafer
Part of it was. I was. I thought it was fake eyes.
- [24:59]
Justin Andrews
Part of it.
- [25:00]
Adam Schafer
Dude, hold on. It gets better. Part of it is, I thought it would be funny, right? So I go over there, and he's with. He's with Jessica. And he's like, mom. You know? But I didn't really hurt himself. I'm like, oh, my eye hurts, you know? So I put the gauze on, and I put a band aid on the top so it's holding it. And I walk out, and he. He kind of looks at me because there's a little red barker on it. He goes, no, that's not real. And Jessica could tell. She's like, he's just kidding with you, honey. It's not around, like, yeah, it is. It hurts.
- [25:23]
Doug
Oh.
- [25:23]
Adam Schafer
And I'm walking around, and he's following me, and he's saying, that's not real. That's not real. But I could tell he might be believing me. So just the nail at home, I go in the bathroom, I get a wad of toilet paper, and I turn it into. And I wet it, so it's like a wet squishy ball. And I lift the gauze up and I drop it.
- [25:40]
Doug
Bro.
- [25:42]
Justin Andrews
You freak him out.
- [25:45]
Adam Schafer
You have to look on his face. Oh, my God. He's like, no, that's not real. I can tell you a little scared.
- [25:51]
Doug
You just walk away. You're like, consequences.
- [25:53]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. So I pull it off, and I'm like, I'm just kidding, buddy. The rest of the night. The rest of the night, eyeballs don't look like that. They don't fall out, right? I'm like, no, your eyeball's not that.
- [26:02]
Doug
So, reminds me, I told you guys this story about when I was at. At camp, and. And this kid, like, was blind, and I didn't know because he had, like, two glass eyes, and he was just, like, in the cabin with us.
- [26:15]
Justin Andrews
The red stick didn't give it away or anything?
- [26:17]
Doug
No, no, no.
- [26:17]
Justin Andrews
He was in the cabin.
- [26:18]
Doug
I just met him. I know that would be obvious. He's just.
- [26:21]
Justin Andrews
No, no.
- [26:22]
Doug
That would have been a dead giveaway. He was in the. He was in the cabin, and he was. You know, we're meeting everybody, me and my brother, and. And he just decides since everybody was in there, he, like, turns around and. And then he, like, reveals it. He literally took the Glass eyes out. Had it in his mouth shut.
- [26:41]
Justin Andrews
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
- [26:45]
Doug
Eye sockets and eyes in his mouth like a Beetlejuice.
- [26:49]
Justin Andrews
Like, bro, how old are you, bro?
- [26:50]
Doug
I was like eight.
- [26:52]
Justin Andrews
Maybe like seven, bro.
- [26:55]
Doug
We were all across and then just. I was dying laughing the whole. At this. This kid won me over. He was the funniest, like, crazy kid, dude, wow. How are you gonna do that to somebody, dude?
- [27:07]
Justin Andrews
Crazy.
- [27:08]
Adam Schafer
Wow. You know what? Smart kid, though, right? How he made friends with it.
- [27:11]
Justin Andrews
I don't remember you telling that story.
- [27:13]
Adam Schafer
No.
- [27:13]
Doug
Like, what a sense of humor that kid had, though. Oh, my God. Got me so, so bad.
- [27:17]
Justin Andrews
You know, you telling us. So funny. It just shows you how different kids we have. Like, so I've done, like, what you just said. I can't do it because Max is so sensitive. If I do that, like, right, Because I'll mess with like, we're wrestling. Oh, God, you're. And right away he gets all emotional and he grabs and he's like, I'm so sorry, dad. Oh, my God, dude, I can't even mess with him like that.
- [27:40]
Adam Schafer
I've done that before.
- [27:41]
Justin Andrews
And he.
- [27:42]
Adam Schafer
Tender heart.
- [27:42]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, dude, he gets.
- [27:43]
Adam Schafer
So if I tell that to Aelius, if he. If we're wrestling. Oh, you hurt me. He goes to it and he goes, yay.
- [27:49]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I mean, that's how. Yeah. Complete opposite. He Right away, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, Daddy. And he comes and gives me a hug and then he's. Then he's afraid to play with me anymore because he's a friend. I'm like, dude, I love that kid. Oh, my God, dude, it's so crazy.
- [28:02]
Adam Schafer
I love. I love him. So.
- [28:03]
Justin Andrews
But I've done that where I want to mess with him and have some fun, but it's like, I can't do that. He gets. Yeah, yeah. You get all. All sad right away that you can actually. Your audience actually, actually hurt me.
- [28:11]
Adam Schafer
Kids are cute, man.
- [28:12]
Justin Andrews
Dude, I. I am not to totally shift gears, but I'm in such a good mood. Such a really. It's such a cool moment for us as a business, especially where we're going in, you know, 2025. We've. We just did our 10 year. We talked about what the vision for this year is, by the way, that ten year end.
- [28:32]
Adam Schafer
That ten year episode was great.
- [28:33]
Doug
Yeah.
- [28:34]
Justin Andrews
It's better than I thought.
- [28:35]
Doug
Actually. Watched it last night.
- [28:36]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it brought. Watching it. It brought back a lot of memories. And I watched it with Jessica and she's like, I remember that. I remember that.
- [28:41]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. You know, when, when, when we did it, I wasn't sure. And I, I, I think I've shared this before. I don't really listen to the podcast hardly ever. And so everybody, every once in a while, I will dip in. I had told Katrina, like, yeah, we did the 10 year. I was like, I don't think it was that good. And she told me the next day. She was like, oh, my God, that was so good. She's like, are you serious? You didn't think that was good? I'm like, well, I don't know. I didn't, I don't watch it. I didn't feel like it was that great. And so, because she said that I watched it and then it was, I think the storytelling and the, Some of this, it brought back memories, so many memories. And I, and I think what maybe I thought or felt when we initially were going to do it was, yeah, we've, I've heard all these stories. I told us stuff like that. Like, but it felt, it actually felt new.
- [29:20]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [29:21]
Justin Andrews
Even though, like, it was all in one.
- [29:22]
Adam Schafer
All in one.
- [29:23]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, maybe. Yeah. So anyways, you know, you brought up at the end of it that, you know, vision for 2025 and where we're going and, you know, collectively, we're all obviously on the same page, that huge focus of this business. We Hope the next 10 years is really going after the trainer space and really influencing that. I think we agreed that the first 10 years was obviously building our credibility with the general pop and helping people out, and then obviously people getting to know us and trainers and helping them, but really going hard and heavy in that direction. And our course last year, we created that, and that was the first move in that direction. And it was neat when we did it because I remember another thing that we all agreed on was, I don't want to get in. I don't want to battle and rival academia. I don't want to try and create a national certification that we're, you know, I'm saying, like, like, I don't want to get into that. Like, we already talk about academia as, like, in a different light, and it's not where we want to. All of us agreed. And so we're like, let's just go put out what we think will be the most valuable fire piece of content for coaches and trainers to make them better coaches and trainers and more successful. And we did that, and I thought we did a great job. How cool is it, though, to get recognized by academia less than a year later and our course is now, 1.9 CEUs, which is the highest amount that you can get, period, for a course for trainers.
- [30:47]
Adam Schafer
Now it is recognized if you're a trainer, in order to maintain your certification, a national cert, you need to get. Was it 2, 2.0 CEUs and 0.1 is a CPR.
- [30:58]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [30:58]
Adam Schafer
So you do our course and get your CPR, which you have to. Anyway. That's it.
- [31:01]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [31:02]
Doug
You're set.
- [31:02]
Adam Schafer
We are now. I know it's crazy to be recognized like that. Yeah, it's really, really crazy to get recognized.
- [31:07]
Justin Andrews
And I, you know, I mean, I thought it was kind of ballsy and crazy the first place to not try and do that because it's like these trainers who have invested in us had all, all the trainers that did it the last year. It's so cool. And it's so cool to be able to probably reward them with this now because then they'll just have to take the multiple choice test, I believe, and then they'll be able to get it is that they invested in us in their course without getting anything in return. Like that. And I had to be honest, like I like it was a big ass. I wouldn't have done that. Yeah, I remember being a trainer making less than a hundred thousand dollars a year and you know, trying to get by and make more money. And if I and I had to do CEUs every two years, you have to do it to keep your certs up. There is no way I would go out and spend even a couple hundred dollars on a course or a thing that didn't account towards my CEOs. It just, I didn't have the extra, extra income. I don't care how good of guys we think I thought we were or not, I wouldn't do that. So the fact that we had so many trainers that invested in us before we even could deliver, that is awesome and amazing. And now the fact that we it's worth 1.9 is super.
- [32:13]
Adam Schafer
I know. I saw you reaching out to our friends in the big box spaces.
- [32:16]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Already sent messages to UFC, already sent messages to 24 hour fitness trainers with.
- [32:23]
Adam Schafer
Our course, which is full circle.
- [32:27]
Doug
Where we started.
- [32:28]
Adam Schafer
We left and then we're back. Yeah, I know.
- [32:30]
Justin Andrews
It's cool.
- [32:31]
Adam Schafer
So cool. Hey, I got a post for you guys that Adam Lane Smith did that I thought was exceptional. That what I think would spark great conversation.
- [32:39]
Justin Andrews
Oh, let's hear it with us.
- [32:40]
Adam Schafer
It talks about.
- [32:41]
Doug
He's great.
- [32:42]
Adam Schafer
Oh yeah, he's good. And it's, it's a post. I'm Gonna pull it up.
- [32:45]
Justin Andrews
It's actually been quiet. I'm normally seeing a lot of his stuff and he hasn't popped up in my feed in a while.
- [32:50]
Adam Schafer
So I'm gonna read this to you. Let me finish it all. So it's on X. So it's multiple threads. And then let me know what showed my wife this. And she was like, oh, my God, that's so true. And I've showed several people, both men and women, for the man side, I 100% believe it's true. My wife and other people that I brought it to said, yes, that's very true for women as well. Now, Adam Lane Smith is. He's an attachment. You know, he understands attachment theory. He works with couples and individuals as a therapist. He's an expert. We've had him on the show. So he knows this is what you know. So backed on data and experience. So here's what the post starts with. It says, husbands want peace. Wives want safety. On the surface, those needs seem different, but they stem from the same root, trust. When trust is strong, peace and safety grow naturally. Here's how to meet both needs and create a passionate, fulfilling marriage. For men, peace means calm, respect, and a lack of chaos. They want to come home to a partner who values their efforts, communicates clearly, and works with them, not against them. Peace isn't passivity, it's teamwork. For women, safety means emotional and physical security. They need to feel heard, cherished and supported, like their partner has their back no matter what. Safety isn't control. It's trust in your partner's commitment and care. The secret Peace and safety are two sides of the same coin. A husband who feels at peace is more affectionate and kind. A wife who feels safe is more loving and responsive. Both needs feed into each other. So tell me what you guys think about this.
- [34:21]
Justin Andrews
I love that. I'll add something. I think that in a lot of relationships, probably many people were nodding their head as you're going through that list, thinking of their partner and how they wish their partner would do more of X, Y and Z. But the secret to that is not looking at it like that and focusing on your side and over delivering on that. And it produces and it produces that. So look, here's what I think so many relationships get stuck on is they hear something like that or one of them gets it really well, get him.
- [34:54]
Doug
To listen to this.
- [34:54]
Justin Andrews
That's right. And then, then it said, they need to hear this or they this or my husband doesn't do this or my wife doesn't do this thing. And it's like, yeah, but the. The answer to getting that side that you want is not telling them or waiting on them or making them feel bad or pointing it out to them. It's doubling and tripling down on your side and becoming more of that person and being patient.
- [35:14]
Adam Schafer
Yes, because it will produce the.
- [35:16]
Justin Andrews
It will.
- [35:16]
Adam Schafer
Here's what he says. For husbands. Provide emotional safety. So women need to know their emotions won't be dismissed or ridiculed. When she shares, listen without defensiveness. Respond with, I can see why that upset you. Let's work on this together. This builds her sense of security. That's safety for wives. Provide emotional peace. Men want conflicts resolved calmly, without escalation. Avoid sarcasm or blame during your disagreements. Instead, say, this is important to me. Can we talk about it when we're both calm? Peaceful resolution helps him feel respected. Tell me this isn't absolutely true for husbands. Be consistent. Nothing disrupts a wife's sense of safety more than broken promises or unpredictability. If you say you'll do something, follow through. Consistency shows her she can rely on you. And that's what safety feels like for wives. Show appreciation. Men need to know their efforts are noticed. A simple thank you for always being there for us, or, I appreciate how hard you work. Fosters peace in his heart. Gratitude keeps the relationship warm. And there's more and more on this, but absolutely brilliant. Yeah, Absolutely brilliant. What you said is so true. If you, like, as a man, if you feel that other side, it naturally makes you want to do the stuff that he's saying that husbands do.
- [36:29]
Justin Andrews
When that light bulb goes off for you, finally, in the relationship that, oh, this is how this works. And then you lean into that, it just. It bears so much fruit. I think it does.
- [36:39]
Adam Schafer
I think so much damage has been done to couples and marriages with the whole message of, we're the same, men and women are the same, you guys are the same, treat each other the same.
- [36:52]
Doug
Everything's never been the case.
- [36:54]
Adam Schafer
No, because if I flip that, and I didn't even tell you guys, if I said, for husbands and I read the wise ones, you guys would be like, yeah, not really. And the women would be like, no, not really. So, I mean, there's truth in this. Men and women are different fundamentally. And I think when you understand that.
- [37:10]
Justin Andrews
Like, man, that was so powerful. If you ask Katrina, I mean, We've been here 14 years, and if you ask Katrina what was one of the more pivotal moments for us was when we. We watched Attachment Adam and he Broke down. Women want love. Men want respect.
- [37:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [37:29]
Justin Andrews
And how different. That is so different. And, and you take some. Because my wife is extremely loving, very, very loving and touchy and she's always good about saying that stuff. I love you. And like, and, and I think in her head, because she does that all the time, she's like, I do an abundance of that and she does, but it's like, it's always hard to be the guy who communicates that like. Yeah. I mean, it's nice that you say all that, but I actually really don't care. I know you love me. You're here. And this side. I don't need any more of that from you. The respect is the thing that I need. I need when this happens or this goes on. I need to feel respected from you by, by these X, Y, Z things. Right. And that's going to go so much further than a thousand of the I love you. So it was really. And then. And same thing goes for me too.
- [38:11]
Adam Schafer
Right.
- [38:12]
Justin Andrews
On the other side of being like, she needs that love. She needs to feel that. So even though I'm better at exercising the respect and all these other things with her, it's like, man, I have to get better at letting her feel that way. I think understanding how different we are and how we need different things to be successful in this relationship versus comparing each other on who does what. And I do all these things and utilize it, man, you'll never get anywhere.
- [38:32]
Adam Schafer
How, how valuable do you think pre, pre marital counseling would be if. If they understood this and they took couples in before they got married and said, hey, you guys, this is what it's going to look like. I think it would help a lot.
- [38:44]
Justin Andrews
Sure.
- [38:44]
Adam Schafer
Of, of, of challenges.
- [38:45]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. I think you could look at it like that. I also think that the dating process.
- [38:49]
Doug
Should reveal that as well.
- [38:51]
Justin Andrews
I think a lot of the wrong people marry the wrong people.
- [38:53]
Doug
Yeah.
- [38:53]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [38:54]
Justin Andrews
I think that you're, you're insecurity. Yeah. You're attracted to that. You're. You, you end up being with the person that actually fuels or feeds into like all your insecurities and the things that. Because it's like you're attracted to that chaos. It's like this person who had all this trauma as a kid, whether they know it or not, and they are subconsciously attracted to that drama and they don't even realize familiar. So then they, what they, what they think they fall in love with is somebody that fuels that feeling and emotion that they're, they're still addicted to from the trauma they're living in. And they think that, that, that emotional feeling that they get inside of them of the ups and downs is love. And so that they're drawn to that type of a relationship. So, yeah, I mean, I'm definitely pro counseling before marriage, but I'm even more proud you becoming aware of yourself, more introspective work. Yeah, on the, on the, on the type of person. I mean, it didn't take me a very long time to even recognize that in myself on the type of woman I was attracting for the first, you know, 15 years or 10 years of my dating life of like, oh, there's a pattern here. Like, I keep, you know, falling in love with these, these girls that feed this thing of me. And when I look into, peer into. What was that? It was like, oh, that's all rooted in my insecurity. I want to feel like the smart guy who's leading the way and all this stuff like that. So I attract these girls that have these daddy issues that want someone to tell them what to do and lead and stuff like that. And initially that feels good. Initially it feels like, yeah, this is right. This is love. But ultimately that ends up, yeah, it ends up boiling over. And it's. So, yes, I think therapy and counseling before marriage is an incredibly valuable thing. But the truth is, a lot of times the people that are choosing to go do life with, in marriage with aren't even shouldn't be with them. They're just. Just a fact. It's like that you are still attracting the wrong person and you think you're. Now you're misinterpreting love.
- [40:59]
Adam Schafer
Now I do want to add something to that because there might be someone listening who's already married, already has kids, and then they're like, oh, I married the wrong person. We should get divorced. The data shows that if you work and you do it right and you work on yourself, that you can save it. So in other words, you might. You could say, oh, it was the wrong person. Maybe I was the wrong person. But people can change.
- [41:21]
Justin Andrews
I will. You also, you don't want to get love. Love is also a choice. That was another thing I didn't understand and I had wrong as a young kid is I always thought it was this Disney feeling that I was supposed to get. You know, it was going to overwhelm me. And like everyone says, you'll just know when you know. You know, you'll know when it hits.
- [41:37]
Adam Schafer
Follow your feelings.
- [41:37]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's always. It's like this whole idea that you're supposed to feel this. It's like, no, love is an action. It's a choice. I choose. So to your point, maybe you did marry the wrong person, but if you both actively choose to love each other, the right people, then you be can't. You can become the right people and you can make it. But I think where a lot of people go wrong is they. They end up marrying the wrong person because they didn't realize what they really.
- [42:03]
Adam Schafer
Speaking of relationships, I read this crazy study that it was hilarious. And I think, Justin, you had something. You had brought up something similar. Not on a podcast, but I think off air. They did this study with CGMs. So continual glucose monitors measured blood sugar, and they found that when people that couples who had erratic blood sugar, especially the drop, the odds that they were going to argument with each other were something like seven times higher.
- [42:27]
Doug
Okay, so the. What I brought up, that's hilarious because it was about judges and so.
- [42:32]
Adam Schafer
Oh, that's it. That's what it was.
- [42:33]
Doug
Yeah. So it was a 65% chance that you're going to get a better ruling if the judge had eaten lunch.
- [42:40]
Justin Andrews
Shut up. Yes, shut up.
- [42:42]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. And they.
- [42:43]
Doug
They tested that out and they.
- [42:45]
Adam Schafer
Your blood. Hey, your blood sugar dropping infects your. Your mood. Sure. 100%.
- [42:50]
Justin Andrews
I mean, the hangry is a real thing.
- [42:52]
Adam Schafer
Yes. Dude.
- [42:52]
Doug
Yeah, it's like, dude, that is so unaccounted for.
- [42:55]
Adam Schafer
You schedule it after lunch or something like that?
- [42:56]
Doug
Yeah, yeah, we need a recess, you.
- [42:58]
Justin Andrews
Say, or you send them some good.
- [43:00]
Doug
Food or give some bagels or something.
- [43:02]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, that's funny.
- [43:03]
Adam Schafer
Maybe that's the whole give the teacher apple thing.
- [43:05]
Doug
Maybe that's it.
- [43:06]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. You know, speaking of blood sugar, we had a caller recently that was talking about CBD and blood sugar, and you were. You were talking to him about it, and I didn't know that there's. There's people that. There's actually companies that are researching this right now.
- [43:19]
Adam Schafer
Pharmaceutical company.
- [43:20]
Justin Andrews
Like, what do we know about. I didn't know.
- [43:21]
Adam Schafer
Cannabinoids may have a positive effect on insulin sensitivity. So, Doug, you can actually Google, if you Google that right now, cannabinoids and insulin sensitivity. So there's some pharmaceutical companies in the. Back in the day, it was GW Pharmaceutical, but they got bought out by somebody. They were looking at CBD and other cannabinoids as potential treatments for diabetes. And people with CGMs will sometimes comment. When I use NED or when I, you know, I notice my blood sugar is more stable, I don't get the highs and the lows. Now, I'm not proclaiming that. Everybody look it up for yourself in the studies. Yeah. But there you go. See, Cannabis cannabidiol may improve insulin sensitivity and insulin resistance. Same.
- [44:04]
Doug
Yeah. Interesting.
- [44:05]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. So cannabinoids are interesting. And by the way, this is the theory as to why people who use cannabis regularly are leaner and healthier.
- [44:15]
Doug
Yeah.
- [44:15]
Adam Schafer
Which doesn't make sense.
- [44:17]
Doug
Always oxymoron, right?
- [44:18]
Adam Schafer
Yes. Because of the munchies and all that stuff. And so scientists are like, why do we find this in the data that stoners, by the way, don't be a stoner to be healthier. Because there's a lot of bad stuff.
- [44:27]
Doug
That you still make bad decisions.
- [44:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. But they find that it may. That. That they're leaner and they think it has to do with this. That it has to do with the.
- [44:35]
Justin Andrews
That's so interesting.
- [44:36]
Adam Schafer
Speaking of which, Ned's product, the de Stress one, Do you guys like that one?
- [44:39]
Doug
Yeah, I do love that.
- [44:40]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [44:41]
Adam Schafer
So it has the. The.
- [44:42]
Doug
During the day.
- [44:43]
Adam Schafer
So it's got the CBD and the other cannabinoids and the. The. The. The terpenes, like the full spectrum. Plus it has ashwagandha in it. So that combination with ashwagandha is what gives you guys that nice. Real nice. Yeah. Feeling that you get from school.
- [44:55]
Justin Andrews
You know, you brought up just now not to put your business out online or anything like that, but the gw, you cashed out pretty big on that a few years back. You check in on it just to see.
- [45:04]
Adam Schafer
Well, I don't know who bought them. I forgot who bought them.
- [45:06]
Justin Andrews
Oh, so you don't even know.
- [45:08]
Adam Schafer
No, I was about that. Yeah, they. They bought out and they had to pay off all the shares. So I got the money because they. They bought them out.
- [45:16]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, but.
- [45:17]
Adam Schafer
And I made like 10 times my.
- [45:19]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I know. You killed it on that.
- [45:20]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. But I don't know who bought them out. I forgot. Maybe you can look that up, Doug. GW Pharmaceutical. See who buy.
- [45:25]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Just curious, like, if you would have rebought in with the new company or would have hung in there if it's doing even better or. That was the right. I mean. Yeah, obviously you 10x. You can't. You did the right thing no matter what.
- [45:35]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [45:37]
Sal DiStefano
Pharmaceuticals.
- [45:37]
Adam Schafer
Who is it?
- [45:38]
Sal DiStefano
Jazz?
- [45:39]
Adam Schafer
What are they? What do they have in their pipeline? What are their medications? I wonder if there's anything jazzy products. You know, I'm not so. What's the word I want to use? Bullish on Medicinal, like pharmaceutical cannabinoids, because you can get them naturally and they're not patented.
- [45:55]
Doug
Yeah.
- [45:55]
Adam Schafer
So they're always trying to find ways. Right. To make something patented, more concentrated somehow. Yeah. Or whatever. You know, make it, you know, kind of a synthesized version so you can, you know, block other people from copying.
- [46:06]
Justin Andrews
Does it feel like the cannabis space and. And stuff like that is really kind of calmed down a little bit? Like, it does. Like, remember, it felt like when we first were, like, getting going and stuff like that. Obviously, there's a bit of a biased because I was in it and around it so much, but it does feel like it was so hot, like, for a minute there, where everybody was infusing cannabis into everything, and everyone's talking about it because it's this cure all for everything. And it does feel like it's kind.
- [46:33]
Adam Schafer
Of like the one place that we saw the best and there's still lots of research, but was with certain types of. Of epilepsy. So Epidiolex, that was the. The. The product from GW that I think Jazz bought them for. It treated it. It treats a type of epilepsy that was like. Like you could. There were no treatments for it.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [46:55]
Adam Schafer
And these were kids that were getting Dravet syndrome. That's what it was. These kids were getting multiple seizures a day, some of them getting 50 seizures a day.
- [47:03]
Doug
Yeah.
- [47:03]
Adam Schafer
And then they'd give them CBD parents.
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Justin Andrews
None are, like, hardly any.
- [47:06]
Adam Schafer
Well, here's the story. The story is these parents of these children who were getting all these seizures, which is terrible. Like.
- [47:11]
Doug
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Because that many seizures in a row can cause brain damage.
- [47:14]
Justin Andrews
That has to be, as a parent, one of the scariest.
- [47:17]
Doug
Oh, my God.
- [47:17]
Justin Andrews
Moments to watch a kid. Your kid goes.
- [47:19]
Adam Schafer
So I have personal experience with that.
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Justin Andrews
I. I've seen it in person, too. I've never had a family member, but I've seen. So it's like I have a sister.
- [47:25]
Adam Schafer
Who has epilepsy, and I was. How old was I. I don't remember how old. I was maybe 10 when she. When she. When we found out and we didn't know what it was. So it's kind of scary, but I was maybe too young to, you know, maybe understand the testing, but I saw her have a seizure in front of me, and it is so scary to see.
- [47:45]
Doug
It is.
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Adam Schafer
I can't even imagine.
- [47:46]
Doug
Well, especially when the family, too, happened to me. The family didn't even know that she had that condition. It just. It came, you know, fast and quick, and we had to.
- [47:55]
Justin Andrews
And you can't do anything. You really just have to make comfortable. You're supposed to just make sure that they don't hurt themselves. Hurt themselves but allow it to take its course.
- [48:02]
Adam Schafer
Some seizures. Are some seizures just the eyes move or just the face. Then you have what's called a grand mal seizure where the whole body, they're flopping around. Yeah. So my sister was up, she got Petite Mall they were called, which are not the big, big ones, but big enough to where she would contort.
- [48:14]
Doug
Oh man.
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Adam Schafer
And but she, she's on medication, so it's almost completely controlled. But with Dravet syndrome, these parents saw their kids having all these seizures. There was no treatment at all. Parents went on forums and were reading about parents giving their kids high cbd. Marijuana.
- [48:32]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
And solving it. So parents were doing. Breaking the law. Were doing this for their kids and then that's what drove them.
- [48:39]
Doug
Remember there wasn't that lead to Colorado.
- [48:41]
Adam Schafer
That's right.
- [48:42]
Doug
Yeah. They actually started to consider it wasn't.
- [48:45]
Justin Andrews
That story of the lady who like broke into the hospital or something like that and gave it to her kid was being hospitalized or something like that and she like snuck into the hospital room. Yeah, I remember there was a crazy story like I thought it was Colorado.
- [48:54]
Doug
Or that Courtney, because she was a pediatric nurse and they had it all locked up and you know, it, it smells like it's like skunky and all that. And so it was illegal but like every now and then she'd go, you know, and that was prescribed. And it was funny because it just felt like, you know, so like I'm giving them real drugs, you know. But then, yeah, it totally effective though like over these other pharmaceuticals.
- [49:17]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's the power of the Internet, by the way. That was a positive story because if those parents didn't have connection, oh, imagine how long. Because Dravet syndrome's not super common. But they found each other on forums.
- [49:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:28]
Adam Schafer
Started talking about, oh, this works. Then they sought it out themselves and that's what drove the research.
- [49:32]
Justin Andrews
I mean talk about, I mean we do talk a lot about all the negative things of the Internet.
- [49:36]
Adam Schafer
You're right. It's double edged, right?
- [49:37]
Justin Andrews
It is. Because there's an exam. I mean look how far we've come with that and the, how strong the laws were just 20 years ago. We would have never be here today if it wasn't for the ability of the Internet and everybody to like share stories and forums and stuff like that.
- [49:51]
Adam Schafer
Speaking of Internet, what do you guys think about meta.
- [49:54]
Justin Andrews
Ah, Zuckerberg.
- [49:56]
Adam Schafer
So Dana White is on their board.
- [49:58]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [49:58]
Doug
So that started. I just did a video today and just described that he's getting rid of all fact checkers, community notes like X great video.
- [50:07]
Justin Andrews
And I just, I remember when we were talking about this and I said that listen when we were like hammering them around the election time and I was like, you know what? I just. From what I knew about Zuckerberg starting Facebook, these guys, a lot of the. And Twitter. Jack Dorsey. Right? That's who it is. Jack Dorsey. Is that correct? I mean these were like libertarian guys. So I really didn't believe that they were this hardcore leftist liberal dudes that were like intentionally trying to mess with elections. I really didn't think it was nefarious like that. And to me this confirms that. It like really confirms that for me that, you know, this is. Because I thought in that that video he did, he really explains how they got there. How they got there, what they're doing to remedy that. And I think they're. It's all great moves.
- [50:56]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I think so. I'm weary over everything that's happening right now because are true. But hey, I know history. And it's weird that the pendulum has swung so hard so quick.
- [51:08]
Doug
Yeah.
- [51:09]
Adam Schafer
That it's become. It's like populism. Remember. Remember you had Instagram and Facebook were.
- [51:14]
Doug
Just the movement of information. Now those. The rapid speed is. I think that's why maybe.
- [51:19]
Adam Schafer
But it's weird how they switch so, so quickly. It's like what is going on?
- [51:23]
Justin Andrews
I mean I brought it up with the shows and everything. And I felt the same way too. And I think Justin turning. I do think that Justin's right. I just think it's. It feel because you know history and you're right and you know what follows that. That movement and how dangerous that movement can be. But I think why it feels so drastic and so fast is to Justin's point, we never in history has information be able to. Been able to be disseminated this fast.
- [51:49]
Adam Schafer
So public opinion so quick.
- [51:50]
Justin Andrews
And so it just. So fast we realize, oh wow, we're really. We went too far. And so it's not that hard to correct course really quick. Where 30 years ago it would have taken us a whole nother presidency before we felt a slight movement in that direction. That's what I think.
- [52:08]
Adam Schafer
Maybe it's interesting because it's not just here. It's happening in Europe right now. The swing. It's happening all over the place. It's really interesting.
- [52:13]
Justin Andrews
I think Europe is still doing crazy shit with Speech and everything.
- [52:16]
Adam Schafer
The UK seems to be flipping. I know.
- [52:18]
Doug
Canada digging their heels in with the censorship.
- [52:21]
Adam Schafer
Italy already did.
- [52:22]
Justin Andrews
But Canada got rid of Trudeau, stepped down. But then I heard somebody else, Justin, said, another tyrann dude just step right in.
- [52:28]
Doug
Well, he. Yeah, he kind of, like, just adopts the same policies, like, as far as what I've.
- [52:32]
Adam Schafer
So I don't know much about their politics.
- [52:34]
Justin Andrews
So I don't think anyone. I don't know if anyone's swinging as much as I don't know.
- [52:37]
Adam Schafer
And I hate using this comparison because it gets used for everything and it's ridiculous. But a lot of people need to understand, like, Germany post World War I was under a lot of turmoil. They were. They were poor, they were hammered because of the war. So people were doing poorly. Then you had this, like, really wild progressive, you know, movement in. In Germany where they were doing a lot of crazy stuff, a lot of immorality, quote, unquote, and people were sick of it. They elect Hitler to come in. Elect him. He won an election.
- [53:07]
Doug
Yeah.
- [53:08]
Adam Schafer
Very popular. He comes in and started fixing things. And because he was so popular, he was able to grab, like, full power. They had the Reichstag fire, blames it on terrorists. When probably they set the fire, they gave him full power. And then we know that, you know, what happened there. So the worry always with populism is it could always go bad. So I'm looking at this swing and I'm like, how did we go from where we were to here, where now it's like. It's like the vast majority now are in this direction.
- [53:37]
Justin Andrews
I mean, I do. I agree with Justin on this assessment of it. I just think that it's. We've never in history been able to get this information out.
- [53:45]
Adam Schafer
That's true. That's also true.
- [53:47]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. And it's like at the touch of our hands, we can all decide, oh, now we're this way. I mean, I thought it was. So I just brought this up last week.
- [53:53]
Doug
Like, it's going to be so different.
- [53:55]
Justin Andrews
It was so weird to me, too. And I just found another show. I'm. I've literally watched like, six shows in, like, just the last two months that are, like, conservative values, where I was just. I mean, just seven months ago, I was complaining to Katrina how, like, oh, my God, everything's fucking woke. Everything is like, I can't even watch a goddamn television show without feeling like I got some political slant to it. Like, yeah, literally just said that. And then now I feel like it's the other Side. And of course, what I like overnight. I mean, what I love about someone like you is that you keep that balance. And even for myself, it's like, I also don't want to, like. Yeah, because then you have.
- [54:32]
Doug
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
You know, I'll give you an example. So.
- [54:34]
Doug
Because even when you agree, it's like.
- [54:36]
Justin Andrews
Right. Even though I agree and I like this show for that, I also recognize I don't want to see it go the other.
- [54:42]
Adam Schafer
So here's the thing that you need to watch out for. And I'm not saying this is happening. You're right. I do have that tendency to be, you know, skeptical about everything or whatever. But here's what you need to be careful for. When it goes too far in the direction that we were, the message is dismantle and destroy everything that ultimately isn't popular. Ultimately, people back off of that after a certain point. Like, we don't want to destroy everything. When you go far in the other direction, it starts to sound like this. Bring back the old empire. Bring back the old empire or old glory. And so you'll see things like, we're going to pass a law that makes burning the American flag illegal. And people might be like, yeah, how dare you do that? But that's got crazy implications. Right? So that's just what you got to be careful.
- [55:26]
Doug
I'm less than that. I just. I'm excited for the transparency.
- [55:30]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [55:31]
Justin Andrews
I wanted.
- [55:31]
Doug
I want to know. I just really hope they stick with, like, disclosing a lot of these things just for information sake and for people to understand, like, how this all kind of got up to this point and how we can then sort of decipher, like, as a collective, how we're all going to, like, organize this better.
- [55:50]
Adam Schafer
What if the answer is this, by the way, guys, okay, so the answer wasn't, let's censor everything. What if the answer also isn't let's get every. Let's let everybody say everything right? Like, what if that's just on the other side?
- [56:04]
Justin Andrews
So I think what we're going to.
- [56:05]
Doug
Find is taking on, like, billions of people's problems at once is not natural.
- [56:09]
Adam Schafer
By the way, the reason why that might be bad, because I'm 100% pro free speech, but the reason why that might be bad is free speech in the. In the traditional sense. Before social media, there were natural inherent risks with going out and you get.
- [56:24]
Justin Andrews
Punched in the face if you said the wrong.
- [56:25]
Adam Schafer
If I walk up to you and say some stupid shit, yeah, I might get hit in the face or get Ostracized, recourse. Now behind my keyboard, I'm anonymous and I could say something crazy and then that's popular. Now the sociopath is the guy who gets all the.
- [56:37]
Doug
Yeah, well then I actually learned a new term that you called astroturfing. But this is where like you'd get actors or people from this, you know, whatever organization, deep state, you know, whatever you want to call it, where they would go into forums and they would like, you know, influence everybody's opinions about certain subjects. And so this was like very intentionally done. But astroturfing, I was like, oh, okay.
- [57:00]
Justin Andrews
That I've never heard.
- [57:01]
Adam Schafer
That makes sense.
- [57:02]
Justin Andrews
If Justin's point is right. What we might be entering in and just which will be weird to feel is this just faster and faster ping pong for like a month. You're happy, you're like, oh, finally. Oh, now we're back this way. We're all gonna agree, you know, like, I mean, that's where we might be. We might be.
- [57:23]
Adam Schafer
Which you know what, at the end of the day, no matter how society is organized with our laws and gut, whatever, you need a moral society for it to be okay. In immoral society, a society doesn't value human life, doesn't value each other.
- [57:36]
Justin Andrews
With that sal, though, is that is agreeing on. The morality is agreeing on.
- [57:40]
Adam Schafer
Correct.
- [57:40]
Justin Andrews
Where that comes from.
- [57:41]
Adam Schafer
Correct. We have roots. We have roots that develop the west. And that I believe is where they'll like. Because you're right, we have to agree. Yeah. Otherwise it becomes subjective.
- [57:50]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [57:50]
Adam Schafer
That is dangerous.
- [57:51]
Justin Andrews
That is dangerous. That's the hardest part about that.
- [57:53]
Adam Schafer
So.
- [57:54]
Justin Andrews
Because I think people would agree with that statement, but then it then lies like, well, who's the moral person that's telling you what's moral or not? Right?
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Sal DiStefano
Our first caller is Steve from Canada.
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Adam Schafer
Steve, what's up man?
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Justin Andrews
What's going on, Steve?
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Doug
What's happening?
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Caller 1
Steve, not a whole heck of a lot yourself.
- [58:53]
Adam Schafer
Oh, we're good, we're doing great.
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Doug
Chilling.
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Caller 1
I rattle off my question, let me know when I should start, I guess. But I kind of had a self goal come up for myself to hit a 315 pound bench this past year and you know, kind of worked at it pretty hard throughout the spring and into the summer and whatnot, home gym and whatnot. So I've never been really into a gym or anything for expert advice or anything and then just listen to you guys quite a bit. And I thought, you know what, I sent you guys the email back whenever that was and wait to hear, see what you guys think. If I'm crazy trying to go for this goal or if you guys got a program, help me dial in to achieve this goal if it's possible. And my wife actually ended up buying me the maps 40/15 power lift thing for Christmas there. So it'll be the first program I've ever. I guess.
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Adam Schafer
Okay, so. All right, Steve, you were breaking up a little bit, but let me just paraphrase and then I'll include some of what you put in your email. Okay?
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Caller 1
Yeah, sure.
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Adam Schafer
All right. So you have a goal of being able to bench press 315, three plates. That's a great goal. It says here, you open up your email, you were born on a farm, raised on a farm, and the first time you got near a bench, you could already put up 225. So you're a naturally strong dude. Very, very strong dude. Right now you could do a max at 285. And this is out of working out on your own. Not really following a program, just kind of working out in your home gym and you're wondering if you know what program would work for you type of deal, right?
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Caller 1
Yeah, pretty much. And then also, yeah, I'm kind of subconscious, a little nervous about hitting the 40 mark because all the doom and gloom stuff is you're kind of finished with your strength years when you hit that age or that that size. Great. And I know listening to you guys, you're all kind of in that zone. So it's like, I guess I'm hanging on to my youth and if I can hit that number as I'm cresting the hill here, it's something I want to look back on and be kind of proud of myself for doing.
- [60:54]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, if you, if you hit 225 without working out you.
- [60:57]
Justin Andrews
Absolutely.
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Doug
Yeah. You can, you can hit three.
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Adam Schafer
You'll have 315. Sure. Yeah. You got in the tank with good programming though. You got to have good workout programming and hit a, you know, high protein diet consistently and good sleep and then you should be able to get there. Now the question is, what would a schedule look like for you? It says Here you do 15 to 25 minutes a day, five days a week right now of lifting.
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Caller 1
Yeah. But like with, you know, it's just kind of fly by the seat of my pants because I've never really been to a gym or anything. So it's just kind of go grab the shit and work away at it.
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Adam Schafer
Right.
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Caller 1
And I love when you, when you guys talk about doing heavy, that's preaching to the choir. I love lifting heavy stuff. Being a farmer I just, I've always enjoyed heavy and hard work so. And you know with farming these days, you think you're still doing it, but it's a lot more mental in the, you know, diesel fuel and hydraulics has made things a lot easier. So in order to maintain strength they gotta kind of do it this way.
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Adam Schafer
Okay. Are you okay with working out more than that or is that the time, the like the time that we have to work with?
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Caller 1
That's kind of what I have been doing. But like I got the gym just, just in my shop outside of my home. So I don't mind a little bit more, I suppose whatever you guys are.
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Adam Schafer
Because there's two ways we could go that I'm thinking.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah. Well, obviously if we have to be in the 20 minute mark, we're going to do maps 15. But if we're going to go mass power lift is which he has. So he has that, you have that. I mean I think Sal's advice, literally my goal for you would be follow maps power lift as it's laid out, hit your protein intake and I guarantee you're going to hit 315. Yeah, that's how confident I feel like just being true to the program. So being consistent, following it as laid out, not adding, not taking a bunch of stuff away from it, following it as it's laid out and consistently making sure you're hitting your protein intake, you're hitting that.
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Doug
The frequency for that's already laid out. So you're going to develop, you know, the skill even further of benching which is something too. Just like mechanically you get more sound with that. It's just, you have to really just monitor your intensity and you're going to see a lot of Progression with that program.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Now the thing that, the thing that Justin said is real important, right? Because, because follow the program doesn't just mean do the exercises and do the reps that it says. You also want to listen to the intensity that it recommends. So you're not going to be going to failure or beating yourself up every time you work out. That'll actually set you back. And based off of what you said, I'm assuming you're walking into your gym on your own and going real hard, heavy 15, 20 minutes and then walking out without any rhyme or reason. Good programming makes a tremendous difference, but it needs to be followed the way it's, it's laid out and explained. If you make, if you mix up one variable, you really do reduce the effectiveness of the programming. Now I will say this. If you follow Maps Power Lift and you start to feel a little burnt out, a little tired, if your sleep starts to get disturbed, then go to Maps, any, go to Maps, excuse me, 15 and do the advanced version in Maps 15 and then that one should be more appropriate. And you'll also get stronger in that program as well. It's just less volume. And the reason why I'm saying this is I also noticed in your email, I mean, you run a farm, you got four young boys. If you're following Power Lift and you're like, man, this is week three and I just feel like I'm overdoing it, you know, I'm not getting stronger, I'm kind of tired. Then go to Maps 15, do the advanced version. That one for sure would be appropriate at that point.
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Justin Andrews
Agreed.
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Caller 1
Okay. No, I'm really glad my wife was able to get this for me for Christmas because flying by the seat of my pants doing this, like I've enjoyed it but you know, just listen to you guys, you guys are, I feel like I trust you guys and that's why I wanted to run the question by you guys and you know, also work with hopefully one of your really good programs to do this.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, well, I mean to be able to bench 285 without following programming, proper program.
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Justin Andrews
That's why we all, that's why we feel so confident.
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Doug
Confident.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Doug
You're probably going to supersede your goal for sure.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller 1
And I was, well I guess just in December here because I sent that out in August email, I self checked I could do 295 as well. So you know, between August and then I've you know, been pushing it to the, you know, a little more yet. So I guess it's not far away. But it's also £20. It's like, shit, am I over the hill of age or.
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Justin Andrews
No, no gas in the tank to do this. No, no, you got this. You got this.
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Adam Schafer
And just, just so you know, Steve, when it comes to strength, it's one of the last things that. To go away in a man as he ages. The first thing that they'll start to lose is agility. Agility, speed, but strength is last. Strength and power, especially strength can last long. Like some of the strongest men in the world will break records in their 40s. So, yeah, so it's the agility that you'll. If you start to lose anything, that's what you may notice as you get older. But strength sticks around for a while.
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Caller 1
Okay. Yeah, no, I want to, you know, as my kids are growing, I kind of want to be able to, you know, wrestle with them and kick their ass until they're a certain age to get the respect level, to get.
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Justin Andrews
Hey, that's. That's all our goal is now, bro. That's the same goals we got, so.
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Doug
Gotta be stronger than my boys.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. God bless you. How old your boys?
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Caller 1
One just turned 11. One's about turn nine seven and the youngest one's two.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, wow.
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Adam Schafer
Good for you, man.
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Justin Andrews
The whole range. Right on.
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Adam Schafer
Good for you. God bless. All right, so if you. Do you have maps 15 or just power lift?
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Caller 1
I've got map maps 40 plus with power left. I believe that was what was in the bundle she got.
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Adam Schafer
I'll send you Mass 15 so you have that one as well.
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Justin Andrews
Doug's nodding his head.
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Caller 1
You guys are awesome. I appreciate that.
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Justin Andrews
One other.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, oh, he. Oh. Doug says you already have Mass 15, so you're set.
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Caller 1
It is in there. Okay.
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Justin Andrews
Yep. Yeah, you're set.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Your wife took care of you?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, she did. You're set up. Those are all the right programs for you too?
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Caller 1
Yeah, I'm looking. You know, like I say, I've never done. Never gone to a gym, just on home stuff. So it's following. Definitely different going with the program. That's for sure.
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Justin Andrews
Following a program for the first time is going to be awesome. In fact, I would love to hear back from you, Steve, after you through the program. I'd love to hear where you land because I think. I think I'm with Justin. I think you're going to exceed 315. I'm curious.
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Adam Schafer
You know what?
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Justin Andrews
Let's see where you land.
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Adam Schafer
Let's put you in the forum. So if you have any questions. Well, if you have any questions, you can ask us or people in our forum about the program, because you may have questions. So let's put you in the forum.
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Caller 1
That'd be cool.
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Adam Schafer
All right, you got it, ma'am.
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Justin Andrews
You're all set.
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Caller 1
Yeah. Could I rattle one other question off to you guys?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
Let's hear it.
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Caller 1
Was kind of thinking about it once I got told I got the invite to come on, which I was completely honored to be able to talk to you guys. It was like a Christmas. Kind of a Christmas present coming from you guys, obviously. Notice, I got boys. Is there any programming that you guys have done with anyone for working with my kids to help get them stronger, too? I just don't want to grow these. You know, whenever my kids and I go to the swimming pool, like, you know, you guys always say not to compare yourself with others, but like, my God, I don't know where the man had just gone. And all these kids and these. These young men. There's like nothing out there.
- [67:35]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
- [67:38]
Caller 1
I love.
- [67:39]
Justin Andrews
I love Steve. I love. Especially since the range you have age wise. I love map suspension teaching. Yeah. And that's all you need. So you can literally throw it on a tree. You could do it somewhere in the barn. You could do it anywhere. And it's really. And it's good. And it's. And it's right for their. Their age. And it's going to teach them stability. It's a. And it's fun. So it's kind of fun for you all to do it. Small investment to get a suspension trainer. We sell them at our mind pump store. You can get them right from there. They're like 50 bucks. And then. And then you're set. And I could have Doug send over map suspension to you. So you got that program and then you run that with your kids. I think that's a great. A great program.
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Caller 1
I appreciate that because. Yeah, it's just. I wanted to grow up and be strong. And, you know, it's getting harder and harder these days with everything being so easy. But I'm not just gonna say, that's okay. Let's. I just want to build these guys, be solid young men. Right.
- [68:29]
Justin Andrews
So you're already. You're already doing the right thing by leading by example. That's the first step. Leading by example. They see you lifting like that. And then I think if you incorporate some of the fun stuff with mass suspension, that'd be my only advice to you, is don't force them to do it. Just show them. Have fun with it, make it more about the experience first play and that. Yeah. Make it more kind of like, oh, we're all just trying these exercises out and then over time they'll, they'll ask for it and then you'll know.
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Caller 1
Okay, well, yeah, my, my six year old had just turned seven. Like he's, he's got like a different level of strength in him, but he'll walk out to the shop and don't cringe at this, but he'll grab my 85 pound dumbbell and just pick it up like, wow, there's nothing to it.
- [69:04]
Doug
That's awesome. My boy does the same.
- [69:06]
Adam Schafer
That's cool.
- [69:06]
Justin Andrews
That's great.
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Adam Schafer
Good for you.
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Caller 1
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
All right, Steve, we're gonna send that over to you too. So you got map suspension on you too.
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Caller 1
Awesome, guys. I appreciate it. Hey, thanks so much for all that you guys put on like with, you know, I'm in the machinery for long hours through the spring and summer. It's, you know, there's so much garbage to listen to on the radio and that these days. So I binge listen to you guys and some various other podcasts and it's just you guys put out really good stuff. So I want to thank you for that.
- [69:30]
Adam Schafer
Appreciate that.
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Justin Andrews
Thank you.
- [69:32]
Doug
Thanks.
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Caller 1
Yeah, And Sal, thanks for sharing your faith journey too. I love hearing when you dabble into that. That's really good stuff.
- [69:38]
Adam Schafer
Appreciate that, man. God bless.
- [69:39]
Caller 1
Thanks for doing that.
- [69:40]
Adam Schafer
Thank you, Steve.
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Justin Andrews
Right on, Steve.
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Caller 1
Thanks, guys.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, good stuff. If you, if you went into the gym and benched 225 the first time, 300 is like he's on accident hitting 295.
- [69:53]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, no, that's exactly what.
- [69:54]
Doug
Now be deliberate about it. It's like he's just playing.
- [69:56]
Justin Andrews
I mean, I hope, I hope he follows it to a T and I hope he calls us back because I'm super curious where he lives.
- [70:02]
Adam Schafer
If you hit 225 the first time you benched, you have 405 in you. That's, that's how I feel with good training.
- [70:07]
Doug
I didn't want to say that, but I thought the same thing.
- [70:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah.
- [70:10]
Adam Schafer
I mean, but that would be more like really consistent, good programming and maybe.
- [70:14]
Justin Andrews
And maybe a couple rounds, I think.
- [70:15]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
- [70:16]
Justin Andrews
But I definitely think he's going to blow.
- [70:17]
Adam Schafer
Oh, 350 if he just took creatine. He'd had 10 pounds to expense for.
- [70:21]
Justin Andrews
That, so that's great.
- [70:23]
Sal DiStefano
Our next caller is Adam from Washington.
- [70:25]
Adam Schafer
Adam, what's up?
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Doug
Yeah, what's up?
- [70:27]
Justin Andrews
Doug's got head. Hey, Guys over there.
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Caller 2
Honored to be on the show.
- [70:31]
Justin Andrews
Right on, man.
- [70:31]
Adam Schafer
Hey, thanks for coming on.
- [70:32]
Justin Andrews
You got for us, man.
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Caller 2
Well, basically the question is about trying to lose some weight and seeing the bar get so much heavier in the gym than it used to be. Let me give you a little bit of background. I started lifting about three years ago and it was kind of an interesting inspiration to start lifting. I was in costco with my 4 boys and my 5 year old son was with me and I pointed out a bench press that they were selling in Costco and I said, hey, your dad used to do a little bit of powerlifting in high school, but it's been a long time. And he said, well, yeah, dad, that's when you were strong. You're not strong anymore.
- [71:13]
Doug
Oh, and that one cuts me right now.
- [71:17]
Caller 2
Yeah, it did. It hit me hard because, you know, especially a five year old, I'm supposed.
- [71:22]
Justin Andrews
To be a superhero, right?
- [71:23]
Doug
You know, Absolutely.
- [71:24]
Caller 2
And so I, I signed up that night and I got into the gym and I just kind of did what I knew. I did the powerlifting movements. I did a program that really focused on the big four, you know, your squatch, bent squat, bench deadlift and overhead press. And I ran that for about 18 months and I just went for it, you know, and I was able to get some really impressive numbers. The one I was most proud of is not having touched a weight in over 25 years. You know, I was able to squat 5, 10, so man, I was really proud of that and it was awesome to come home and see my boys just light up when I told them what dad was lifting, you know, in the gym.
- [72:03]
Adam Schafer
That's great, man. Yeah.
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Caller 2
And so after focusing on strength for a long time, I, I do need to lose some weight. You know, I'm sitting at 37, body fat, it needs to be addressed. And so I really needed to change gears on that. And so now I'm looking at cutting calories and I'm focusing on protein. I'm doing all the things that you guys talk about, but yeah, squatting, it, it just feels so much heavier now. And I just need to know, like, I know that I'm going to lose some strength in a cutting phase. I know that I'm at a calorie deficit and so that's going to affect it. But really, how much is acceptable? What should I really be allowing myself to feel when I'm seeing that strength loss or should I be bumping out my calories and going a little bit slower?
- [72:49]
Justin Andrews
I love this question, Sal. I've been meaning to tell you this, that, so in my series that I did about, I think two or three episodes ago, I addressed us how we talk about this sometimes because I do think sometimes we, we talk to people about how if their programming's off and they're, you know, they're cutting too hard, that they shouldn't lose much strength. But it is, it is very normal to lose strength in a cut. And every cut I've ever done, I lose.
- [73:14]
Adam Schafer
The stronger you are, the more likely it is to lose.
- [73:16]
Justin Andrews
That's right.
- [73:17]
Adam Schafer
I mean, you had a 500 pound squat. You know, if you're squatting, you know, 185, you know, you're probably not gonna lose much strength at your side. 500 pound squat at that high a performance, just the reduction in calories, even if you lost no weight, you probably see the strength go down a little bit.
- [73:31]
Justin Andrews
Yes, so, yes. So it's very, very normal. What, what I really look for is I don't want to just see consistent losing strength. I kind of expect this drop off of, you know, 15, 20% right out the gates. Like, I'm just, I'm, if I'm a 500 squatter, I'm going to be down to 425, 450 pretty quick. But then I want to see it kind of level out. I should be able to kind of maintain that level of strength. And if I continue to see dropping like, like getting weaker, weaker, then I'm probably pushing too hard, I'm probably cutting calories too hard or overextending myself and, or, and, or not getting good rest. And then I'm needing to address things. But absolutely it is normal to, in a cut, especially when you're that strong, you're going to see a deficit. There's in fact, there's a reason why we talk about this a lot. Like why psychologically I liked and I talk about this in my series. I go, I started showing everybody how. Now all of a sudden I'm going to start doing super sets and high reps because I know I'm weak. And so I intentionally want to lift lightweight, lots of reps and superset. So I don't with my head on how weak I, I really am right now. And I think that's a, I think that's an important trick when you're cutting from, from where you're at and you're that strong because it can get in your head. If you're like, man, I was moving 500 pounds, now I'm only, I'm struggling at 400 now versus, you know what? I'm gonna go all the way down to 200, and I'm gonna be repping 15, 20 reps, or I'm gonna superset it with another exercise. And so I have to go so light that I'm not getting. I. I'm not getting hung up on how much weaker I feel.
- [75:01]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah. There's a couple strategies, too with this. One is to break up the cut with some maintenance or a little mini bulk for a week or two, which is actually not a bad strategy to preserve muscle. Anyway. The second thing is look at your strength to weight ratio. This will give you a better picture of an appropriate amount of strength loss. Right. So if you lost £50, but your lifts went down £30, you're actually stronger as a percentage of your body weight. Right. So that's what I like to look at. Okay. I'm going down in weight, and my strength is going down, but it's actually not bad. It's actually quite proportional. So that's just the other way to look at it. And then lastly, I'll say be careful with the volume of your training when you're in a deficit. When you're in a deficit, you're not going to recover as well. And so what tends to happen is we tend to increase the volume when we're in a deficit because we're trying to burn more calories. Not necessarily a good strategy. So you want to. And so people tend to overtrain. They'll cut, and then they'll overtrain on top of it, which makes everything worse. So I tend to reduce the volume as I reduce my calories to prevent that from happening. So just a few things to kind of think about, but the strength to weight ratio is another one. And you know what always helps me? Adam brought up one way, and you can do that in a million different ways. You could change exercises, too. You do exercises you never do, so you have no idea how strong you're supposed to be and get those newbie gains. You know, that's a. That's another way to do it. The other way is I like doing bodyweight exercises or some body weight exercises as I'm losing weight because I get better at them as I get lighter. So. So, like, my pull ups get better. Yeah, so if I lose weight, I get more pull ups. I'm like, oh, I'm stronger, but really, it's. I'm light, you know? So just a few things to consider.
- [76:40]
Justin Andrews
I'm trying to look. I'm trying to look right now and see what episode it was where I'm. As I'm lifting. I'm talking all about this and just some of my strategies and thought process around. It's one of the. It's one of the last four episodes I don't know if you've seen on Mind Pump tv. I did a whole series of me getting back into shape, and I addressed this conversation right here. It was. And I went on for a while about it because I know sometimes we communicate this a little bit different on the show. And I'm like. And I'm talking to the camera, just telling everybody, like, man, it's very normal for me to feel weak. It's just I. When I drop calories like that, especially for an extended period of time, I see strength go down. And if I don't do some of these tips, it really will with me psychologically. And. And you add in this, too. You'll probably notice this because you're also depleting all these carbs, so your glycogen's out, so your muscles look flatter, and so you. Not only do you feel weaker, you look weaker. You know, so you're. You know, when you're all pumped up with carbs and you got a good lift, I mean, you look all filled out. Your muscles are all full. When you're depleted, you have this kind of flat look. You don't get as good a pumps, and that could mess with you. So now you start going, oh, my God, I'm weaker, and I'm losing all kinds of muscle f this, and you go back the other direction. And so there's a lot of things that I do strategically to not. I even, like, dress differently.
- [77:51]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [77:51]
Justin Andrews
So I. I wear oversized, like, triple X big shirts and stuff like that, so I'm not looking at myself and. And judging how I look. And I go lighter weight, so it's like I'm focused on the. The skill of what I'm lifting. I'm not worried about how heavy it is. Like, there's a lot of things I do to make sure.
- [78:06]
Adam Schafer
Adam, can we send you a program different from what you're used to, so you could just start something new while you're on this cut?
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Caller 2
Yeah, that would be great. I'm running Maps 15, the advanced version right now. You know, I. I switched to that not too long ago because, you know, I started last semester my. My master's degree, and like I said, I got four boys. And so my wife was kind of encouraging me to. To look at the volume anyway, because I was tired at night falling asleep before it was bedtime, you know.
- [78:33]
Adam Schafer
Well. And So I like Mass 15 performance also. So I'll send you that one as well.
- [78:36]
Justin Andrews
Stay where you're at. And then when you're done with that, go to the Maps 15 performance. Good advice. I think it's really good advice. Where you should be right now. So stick with that. And then afterwards, follow the Maps 15 performance.
- [78:46]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. And you'll be set.
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Caller 2
Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you guys so much.
- [78:50]
Adam Schafer
You got it, man. Yeah, thanks for calling in.
- [78:52]
Caller 2
Yeah, God bless you.
- [78:53]
Adam Schafer
You got him, bro. He could hear your thoughts with those headphones. They were best.
- [79:00]
Doug
I love it.
- [79:01]
Adam Schafer
But you say Doug, headphone.
- [79:03]
Justin Andrews
Headphone. Yeah.
- [79:08]
Adam Schafer
You know, this is a good conversation.
- [79:09]
Justin Andrews
Because it is a good conversation.
- [79:10]
Adam Schafer
When I'm training or working with a relative beginner. I don't want to see strength gains when we're cutting. Okay. When you're advanced and really strong, you're gonna get some strength loss.
- [79:19]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [79:19]
Adam Schafer
In a cut. It's just if you're squatting five something and you go in a deficit, the deficit, before you even lose any weight, within three days, you'll see a drop in strength.
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Justin Andrews
Dylan, if you can find that clip, because I know it's one of the last four episodes, I'd love to play that for the guys. We could talk. It'd be good conversation to have on the. In the front half of the episode and talk about it. Because I do think that we say that sometimes. I think people expect that they're gonna lose anything. They're not gonna lose any strength. And I'm like, bro, I lose strength every time. Yeah. So it's normal. But you get the best part about it is you get it right back as soon as you feed.
- [79:50]
Adam Schafer
That's right.
- [79:50]
Justin Andrews
You refeed all sudden you get strong again. So that's a positive thing.
- [79:53]
Sal DiStefano
Our next caller is Victoria from North Carolina.
- [79:55]
Adam Schafer
Hi Victoria, how you doing? How are you?
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Justin Andrews
Hi, how you doing?
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Caller 3
I'm good. How are you guys?
- [80:00]
Adam Schafer
We're good. How can we help you?
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Caller 3
Okay, so I'm really nervous. I'm just gonna go ahead and read my question. So I am a 28 year mom. 28 year old mom of three from small town North Carolina. I'm five seven and I've always struggled with my weight. My main issue is with binge eating. I love weightlifting and have on and off for about three years with most recently being consistent for about six months. Unfortunately, my weight has been steadily increasing. I just started a GLP1 but will not be able to Be on it long due to finances, so I want to maximize it while I have it. My question is, how would you guide someone with a binge eating disorder to a life of intuitive eating and just eating until they are satisfied?
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Adam Schafer
Wow, that's great. I'm so. Okay, so how long are you going to be on your GLP1?
- [80:50]
Caller 3
Probably until about March.
- [80:53]
Adam Schafer
Oh, good.
- [80:54]
Caller 3
Ish. A couple months. Yeah.
- [80:55]
Adam Schafer
Okay. We have some time, some progress. Okay, so. So let's. Let me. Let's talk a little bit about how the GLP1 can be leveraged to help you with what you're looking for. Okay. So, so. And you. And how long have you already been on it?
- [81:08]
Caller 3
I'm about to take my fourth shot.
- [81:11]
Adam Schafer
Okay. Are you noticing the effects already?
- [81:14]
Caller 3
A little bit. Not. Not a lot yet.
- [81:17]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [81:17]
Adam Schafer
And are you ramping the dose? Are they doing the scale up with the dose or did you start?
- [81:22]
Caller 3
I go back in two days to meet with my doctor.
- [81:25]
Adam Schafer
So they're probably.
- [81:27]
Justin Andrews
They'll increase you.
- [81:28]
Adam Schafer
That's probably what it's.
- [81:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [81:29]
Adam Schafer
Okay, so GLP1s without going down into the weeds, essentially, they're gonna. They really start to reduce your appetite and cravings. Okay. So the signal, the loud signal that you may have to. To or connection to food gets blunted. Now here's how we can leverage that. Because what we don't wanna do is rely on the GLP1 to fix this for you. Because when you go off at eventually, not right away, but eventually, the old appetite starts to come back. So here's what you got to do while you're on the GLP1 and that signal starts to get blunted. You want to develop new behaviors and habits around food and a new relationship with food during this process. The longer you're able to do that, the easier it is going to be to maintain when you go off the GLP one. Because. Because what happens with behaviors is there's neural connections that form in the brain. The longer you don't engage in a behavior, the weaker those neural connections become and the stronger other connections become. So here's what I want you to do. I want you to identify triggers and states of mind or things that happen that tend to trigger binge eating. So maybe it's stress, fatigue, anxiety, whatever. None of those things are going to go away, by the way, on the GLP1. You're still going to feel stressed, you're still going to feel anxious or whatever those triggers were before. When those triggers come up, I want you to find an alternative way to deal with those feelings. So if I'm anxious and I notice, oh, man, when I'm anxious, that tends to be when I overeat or when I watch TV or whatever. When those things happen, either you could find something else. Either it be. You can journal, you can read, you can meditate, you can play with your kids. You want to come up with some other alternative behavior and then be consistent with it throughout the entire time you're on the GLP1. The second thing is make sure you hit your protein targets when you're on the GLP1 and continue to strength train through, through that process. It. It will be easier to maintain after the GLP1 than it would have been had you done this without the GLP1. But it's not perfect because the appetite will come back. But if we could take that, that feeling and connect it to something else or move it in a different direction, you should be in a, in a, in a much better position.
- [83:47]
Justin Andrews
I actually think, Victoria, you're one of the really good examples of what who I think GLP1s can be really, really helpful for. I think there's a lot of people that are taking it like it's a quick fix. But I think the people that it's made the biggest difference, in my opinion, from the people that we've helped are the people that know and recognize they have binge habits and they're trying to fix it, but they just, it's like they're white knuckling it when they're doing it. It's so hard for them to do that. And I think it really helps with that, that loud signal. And another thing that helped me when I went through this process, I've openly shared that I have that kind of relationship with ice cream. Right. I can't come. I can't. I binge the whole pint. Knowing what your binge tendencies are, when they are, what the, what the foods are, and then creating new things that you eat during that time, I found that really useful for myself. Like, it was really easy when I, when that, when that loud signal got damped down, I didn't have the cravings for the ice cream anymore. But then I still had, you know, a lot of times I love at after dinner and I'm watching TV or something like that, I like to snack or, you know, something. So switching that from being an ice cream thing to Greek yogurt and it's something that's similar enough to where I give that kind of cold, you know, like, creamy taste that I got that just helped Me make that transition that when I came off the GLP1, I've now created this new habit of what food I was eating in replace of that. So finding those types of things will help also. So I don't know how aware of what things you tend to binge on. If you have certain things that just get you. It's ice cream, candy, drinks, whatever it is. But look for healthier alternatives that you can also replace in that time too. I think that will really help during this time also.
- [85:25]
Adam Schafer
Do you have. Do you know, are there triggers that you've already identified?
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Caller 3
I would. I don't know about triggers per se, but I'm really bad about wanting something sweet after dinner. Like, I'm fine all day long, and there's just something about after dinner.
- [85:42]
Adam Schafer
Gotcha.
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Caller 3
When we're kind of like getting chilled, getting the kids ready for bed, and it's just like, oh, I want something sweet.
- [85:51]
Adam Schafer
Yes. Okay. So. So is that where you tend to do the binging?
- [85:54]
Caller 3
Yeah.
- [85:54]
Adam Schafer
Okay. What Adam said is going to help them. While you're on a GLP1, eat something that's sweet after dinner, but try to make it a better option.
- [86:04]
Justin Andrews
Magic spoon's a great option.
- [86:05]
Adam Schafer
So, like, yeah, like, if you go processed Magic spoon cereal, or it could be Greek yogurt with some fruit and some berries, and just develop that as your new habit and behavior. And then when you go off the GLP1, stay away from the old foods as long as you possibly can, because those neural networks are going to weaken, but you'll strengthen them right back up.
- [86:27]
Doug
Up.
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Adam Schafer
If you start to engage again, and it's a slippery. It's literally a slippery slope. Look at it like that. So. So replace it with something else. Don't say, no, I'm not gonna have anything after dinner, but I know I'm gonna have some berries with some Greek yogurt or whatever. Something sweet. That's, you know, like, one thing that I do. I bought myself after Adam recommended the Ninja Creamy. It's this, like, it's not even a blender. I don't know what you would call it, but I make protein.
- [86:50]
Caller 3
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.
- [86:51]
Adam Schafer
So I make a protein shake make. And I. And Paleo Valley, their. Their caramel one. It's ridiculously good. And I'll make some of it, freeze it, and then at night, I'll put the creamy on, and it's like. It's like a sorbet almost, and it's like super low calorie, and it's Protein. Yeah. And we'll have that.
- [87:08]
Doug
The protein is satisfying, so that helps because you get a little bit of that. Sweet. But also too kind of staves it off because you're like, okay, I'm a little bit satiated.
- [87:15]
Adam Schafer
Totally.
- [87:16]
Justin Andrews
You're gonna do.
- [87:16]
Adam Schafer
You're gonna do good. You're gonna do good. If. Yeah, if you, you. If you approach this systematically, you're going to do good.
- [87:22]
Caller 4
Okay.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller 3
A couple years ago, I was in like the best shape of my life. And then I was. When I. Honestly, when I found you guys, I was probably, I want to say, like 30 pounds lighter than I am right now, but then I got pregnant with my third.
- [87:39]
Adam Schafer
Oh, you guys.
- [87:40]
Caller 3
Surprise. A surprise pregnancy. So it's just. I've been. It's been hard getting back on the track.
- [87:51]
Adam Schafer
How old are your kids, Victoria?
- [87:54]
Caller 3
My oldest is 7. I have a 5 year old and then our baby will be 2 in March.
- [87:58]
Adam Schafer
Oh, you're gonna be fine. You know what? I've trained so many women pre, during, and postpartum, and I know what they say, oh, six months. You work out. Whatever. No, no. Every woman I've ever trained, it took them about a one and a half to two years to get back. Really back on track. Okay.
- [88:18]
Caller 3
Yeah.
- [88:18]
Adam Schafer
Because you know that the sleep starts to get a little bit more stable and the whole hecticness, the craziness of it. So you're gonna. You're gonna do fine, Victoria. Especially if you did this before.
- [88:26]
Justin Andrews
I'd love to send you maps GLP1, and I'd love to get you in our private forum if you're not already in there, just so we can help you through this process.
- [88:33]
Adam Schafer
And are you going through our partners? Are you getting the brand name GLP1 or the generic? Because you could save money going generic, Eric.
- [88:41]
Caller 3
I don't know which one is which. I'm on the would go be. My primary care was able to get it for me.
- [88:45]
Adam Schafer
And did your insurance covered is out of pocket?
- [88:48]
Caller 3
No, it's. My insurance is covering it, but I'm losing my current insurance in March, so that's why.
- [88:53]
Adam Schafer
Well, we'll send you a link to our people and if you have to pay out of pocket, you might save money.
- [88:59]
Justin Andrews
No, you will.
- [89:00]
Adam Schafer
For sure. For sure.
- [89:01]
Justin Andrews
Gobi's way expensive. If you had to pay out of pocket.
- [89:03]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, if you pay out of pocket with the, with the. The generics, it's a lot less. It's the same exact thing now. So we'll send you. We'll send you a link. Okay.
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Caller 3
Okay.
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Adam Schafer
All right.
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Justin Andrews
All right. Victoria.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Good luck. You got it. You got this.
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Caller 3
Thank you guys so much.
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Adam Schafer
You know, I'm glad I asked. I was just talking to Jessica about this. It takes about two years, and I don't mean two years to get back in shape. Some women do it faster. What I mean by that is for things to really settle and for you to just get back.
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Doug
Repair and balance hormones.
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Adam Schafer
Repair, balance hormones. Life isn't so crazy. My kids sleeping in their own room. They're not, you know, it's, it's just that it takes about two. So just, you know, that, that, that's what's going to happen.
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Justin Andrews
I also think there's, I noticed a difference, at least in my clients. When you've had multiple kids versus, of course, big difference. One kid bounce back is, seems to be way different than after the second or the third kid.
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Adam Schafer
Of course. Of course. And it's just, there's, there's stresses the body. But beyond that, when she, when you have one kid, it's one kid to take care of. She's got three kids, so she's got a baby and two kids to handle as well.
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Justin Andrews
Great candidate for GLP1s. That's a great example of somebody who, I think it can be massively life changing.
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Adam Schafer
If you leverage it right. It's going to be great.
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Sal DiStefano
Our next caller is Sharon from Virginia.
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Adam Schafer
Hi, Sharon.
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Justin Andrews
How you doing, Sharon?
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Adam Schafer
How can we help you?
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Caller 4
Hey, guys, how are you?
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Adam Schafer
We're good. How are you?
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Doug
Great.
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Adam Schafer
Good, thanks.
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Caller 4
So I'm going to just jump into my question. My question is, could you all talk about how physical and mental trauma and stress impacts weight and progress?
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Justin Andrews
Sorry.
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Caller 4
A little backstory. I was recently medically retired from the marine Corps after 16 years. And while Marines are known for their strict physical fitness, we also place a great emphasis on image and have to adhere to strict weight standards. For about 16 years, I took very dangerous steps to make weight at least twice a year, despite being in incredible shape and performing exceptionally well on my physical fitness tests. This behavior included severe dehydration, starving myself for up to two weeks several times a year, and excessive cardio and sauna sessions. About a year and a half ago, I hit a point where I had my fourth laparoscopic surgery to remove endometriosis and told myself, I'm never doing this dangerous behavior again. And I didn't. But I gained a lot of weight. Admittedly, after my fourth surgery, I didn't recover the same way as I had my previous surgeries. And I still experience a lot of issues nearly half of the days of every month, making it difficult to sleep, concentrate and work out. But I always do something every day and still weight train about 3, 5 times a week. I completed maps anabolic after my surgery and also maps 15 twice. I realized that at my age, I'm 45 and the physical surgical trauma to my core area has paid a toll on my body. But there was also some work related stuff that negatively impacted me mentally and I think that that played the biggest role in my recovery and weight gain. But I don't know if my workouts are helping or hurting because there's no movement in the way that I look and how my clothes fit. But I am getting stronger as I'm able to progressively load almost every time I work out, which is pretty awesome. Additionally, I started a very low dose of tirzepatide to help with inflammation. But. And I recently bought your GLP1 maps program. But I just want to know if I'm missing something. I ask that you speak about this and how trauma impacts our health, weight and progress because this is actually a much bigger issue than me. I hear similar stories when I speak with other veterans and first responders since we have a similar kind of trauma bonded experience of high operational tempo, loads of stress, emphasis on physical fitness, but not necessarily in a healthy way, and issues with sleep.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, great. I'm glad you called in. I also noticed in your email, Doug, if you could scroll up a little bit, you also have done a few rounds of emdr.
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Caller 4
I have, yeah.
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Adam Schafer
How's that work for you?
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Caller 4
It was good. Yeah. I mean some of the just kind of putting everything into a good box and going, okay, this wasn't as big as you thought and kind of putting some of that. I still do see a regular counselor because I think that that's helped to just be able to, you know, just put everything into context.
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Adam Schafer
All right, so to answer the quick, easy question about whether what the. What is your workouts doing for you where you're getting stronger and if you feel better, you're doing the right thing. So in terms of how you look in the mirror or how you're judging yourself and your appearance, we're in a process of healing and I can't tell you how long or how little that's going to take. A lot of that is up to, you know, how fast your body can move and how easily you could face the demons that you're. You have to look at to get through them. And so it could take a while. But this is a process of healing. And so you have to be very patient and kind to yourself, because what will interrupt that process is a shame spiral where you start to judge, you know, what you did, what you're doing now, why. And that adds to the trauma. Now the impact it can have on your health is profound. But there's also something called post traumatic growth. So there is post traumatic stress, but there's also something called post traumatic growth that can happen. And a lot of that has to do with, you know, the way you look at things, the way you approach things. And I think. And a therapy makes a big difference. I like that you did emdr. I think parts therapy, if you haven't done that, might be something that might be very, very helpful. Parts therapy puts trauma in the context of something that the brain and the, and the person can understand and then process. It's called parts therapy because you start to connect them to different parts of yourself, like, oh, this is 13 year old me that's rebelling against this, or this is five year old whatever. And it sounds funny, but it's extremely effective when you look at the, the, the data on it. But you're, you have to understand you're in a process of healing. And so this is a, this is all gonna, this is all self care. Everything you're doing from now on is gonna be self care. If you do a good job of caring for yourself, the aesthetics is gonna start to follow. But if you focus on the aesthetics, the self care isn't gonna happen and the aesthetics aren't gonna happen as well.
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Justin Andrews
Sharon, are you, are you also still battling Endo?
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Caller 4
Yeah, unfortunately.
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Justin Andrews
Wow. Okay. That's a lot. I mean, my sister has, has struggled with Endo her entire life, and I just know that sucks. It's unbelievable. It's. It breaks my heart to see what she has to go through all the time. And she works for us, she's part of the company, so she follows a lot of the advice. And I still see her go through the ups and downs of that and I know how, how little information that we have about helping people with that. So, I mean, I think one of the things that you need to, to do is actually commend yourself, I think. Think what, where you've come from, where, where you're at, what you're doing for yourself, the way you are taking care of you and what you're battling through is unbelievable. So that I think you have to remind yourself what a great job you're already doing. And so I think that's important to this Process. I think that that is step one. Because if you also continue to beat yourself up over the, the peaks and valleys of this journey for you, then you're going to constantly find yourself spiraling out of control. But reminding yourself what you came from and where you're currently at is so important. I think that's probably one of the most important things to start with is that. And. Yeah, thank you. And, and then to focus on the other things of, of. Of really trying to connect the dots when you are training and doing these things that I am stronger, I do have better energy. I am starting to sleep a little bit better. Do not allow the, the, the physical, especially when you're battling something physical like endo. I know what that can do to my sister's body. I've seen her look one day in unbelievably fit and then literally four days later look like she's pregnant and swollen. So, I mean, I can't imagine the psychological that that puts on a woman who's trying to lean out and do that. And so you can't allow that as you're battling through that. So really work on connecting the dots to the other aspects of your life that you recognize that this is doing for you. Like, oh, man, you know what? Maybe this, this physical thing isn't exactly where I want it right now, but I am getting better here. And I haven't done these, I haven't done these things of cutting like I did in the past that were so dangerous to me in years. Now I, I do notice that this is getting so really try and connect the dots to all the other aspects of your life that you are seeing positive change based off these new behaviors that you're building. And then I just continue with the counseling and, or potentially invest in a really good personal trainer. I mean, if you had a good trainer, I think that would also be helpful. I mean, having somebody who's reminding you that as we're going through this process is important. But I think you need to just, you need to let yourself know how good of a job you're already doing.
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Adam Schafer
Okay. You're doing really well. Thank you. I mean, thanks. The thing with, with trauma, which is interesting that I learned maybe a couple years ago, you know, if you look at like the healing process of like, let's say you, you damage your skin and it heals, there's an order of operation in terms of the healing. And if I block one of the steps, like if I block that initial step of inflammation or I block the scab, the formation of a scab or I block the formation of the first layer skin. The following steps can't occur. That has to happen in order for emotional and mental trauma. There's also a step process. And so if you, if you block a step, let's say you're, you don't want to look at something painful, or you avoid it, or you put it in a compartment and you don't deal with it, it stays there. So the process you're going through of healing means you have to go back, which you already, you probably have already experienced some of this with emdr. You have to go back and face the challenging stuff. The reason why I'm telling you this is because it oftentimes gets harder before it gets easier, but you have to get harder first.
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Caller 4
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So the process you're going through means you're on the right track, like, you're moving in the right direction, even though right now you're going through the. Probably some of the more difficult. It sounds like you've actually made it through the hardest parts.
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Caller 4
Yeah, I kind of feel like that. Which is good. Like, I feel like I'm on the other side now. I'm just, like, waiting for the body to catch up and, you know.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, it will. I've trained so many people. It will be compassionate towards yourself.
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Justin Andrews
Yes.
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Adam Schafer
So, and then, you know, Adam gave great advice, like, look at things in context next. So it's like, wow, I, I, I'm not doing that thing I used to do. Right. And yes, I, you know, I did. I do feel bad, but not as bad as I used to, you know, or I do feel really bad, but I'm not beating myself up like I used to. Like, there's. Put things in context.
- [99:43]
Doug
Yes, absolutely.
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Justin Andrews
Are you in our, are you in our forum already? Do we have you in there? No, I, I would love Doug to put you in there, too. And that way you've got, you know, if you don't hire a trainer, you can lean on us as you go through this process. And if you message in there and just tag the boys and I, we'll get back to you and we'll stay in contact with you. And, and please don't hesitate to reach out for that. I mean, if you, if you feel like that you find yourself kind of spiraling out or you have questions about your training or the diet going on, like, make sure you reach out to us and let us help you through this process. But I think you're already doing a great job, and it's going to continue to get better for you.
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Caller 4
Thanks, guys. I really appreciate that. Thank you.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, you got it. Thanks for calling in and tag us in the forum. Okay.
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Caller 4
Yeah, sounds good. Thank you. One last thing. Not a question, but you guys have really just changed us, my husband and me, so. And I've passed you around to so many of my friends as podcasts, so thank you, guys. And my husband became a doctor after he. After he retired from the Marine Corps, so now he has actually started writing prescriptions for mind pump podcasts.
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Adam Schafer
No way.
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Caller 4
Yeah. Sent to his patients.
- [100:50]
Justin Andrews
Oh, that's awesome.
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Adam Schafer
That's great.
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Caller 4
Wanted to let you guys know how much of an impact you really had.
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Adam Schafer
Wow. Tell them we said thank you.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, thank you. Sure. Appreciate the support.
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Caller 4
Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Have a good year.
- [101:04]
Adam Schafer
This is when I hate being virtual.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
I just, you know, if, like, talking with someone like that in person, I.
- [101:11]
Justin Andrews
Mean, that's a client that I want to train because my hands on. I feel like. Yeah, you. I feel like I want to continue to remind. Reminder, man. I tell you what I watch. I had a girlfriend who had it, and I didn't know much about it then. And then my sister is battled with endometriosis, and it is brutal. It is a.
- [101:27]
Adam Schafer
You know, there's a connection.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [101:30]
Justin Andrews
I mean, there is. For all autoimmune, they say like, like 60.
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Adam Schafer
Endometriosis seems to be a pretty particular.
- [101:35]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. And it's. Man, it's a terrible. And I have. Man, I've seen my sister send me a picture of her abs and looking ripped and looking. Feeling amazing. And then like three days later, just. Yeah, looks like she's pregnant.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
I mean, just inflamed like crazy. In crazy pain to where she can't do anything. And then they just want to medicate you. They want to throw you on painkillers and you want. There's a party that wants to do that because you just want to be. Feel comfortable for a minute and. And they know so little. They know so little.
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Adam Schafer
You think you're. I'm sure your sister wouldn't mind talking.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, Cassie already does she. I mean, I'll tell Sharon. Cassie is in the forum. Cassie is my sister. If you tag her, you can connect to her. Most people that listen to the podcast that Cassie gets a chance to talk to that has endo, she ends up linking and sharing articles and forums.
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Adam Schafer
There you go.
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Justin Andrews
There's a very tight community that she's built because she's battled with her entire life, maybe four.
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Adam Schafer
Email Doug to Sharon. Let her know.
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Justin Andrews
And Cassie will definitely share stuff with her because, you know, I've watched her battle that her entire life and man, it is tough. Yeah, it's tough. It's really tough. And what she came from already and the fact that she's not, not falling back into the old behaviors of probably, you know, binging or doing whatever she was doing to lose the weight like that in itself is a massive success.
- [102:45]
Adam Schafer
It's already progress. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump Justin, I'm at mind pump DiStefano and Adam's @ Mind Pump Out.
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Sal DiStefano
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