2514: Focus on Behaviors Instead of Feelings to Get Lean & Jacked (Listener Live Coaching)

Summary

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - Episode 2514 Summary Title: Focus on Behaviors Instead of Feelings to Get Lean & Jacked (Listener Live Coaching)
Release Date: January 18, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 2514 of Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth, hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews delve deep into the psychological aspects of fitness, emphasizing the importance of focusing on behaviors rather than battling feelings to achieve leaner, more muscular physiques. The episode features insightful discussions, expert advice, and live coaching sessions with listeners seeking guidance on their fitness journeys.

Main Discussion: Embracing Feelings vs. Focusing on Behaviors

Adam Schaefer kicks off the episode by highlighting the core theme: to succeed in fitness, one must address behaviors triggered by feelings rather than trying to suppress or ignore those feelings. The hosts argue that embracing emotions like hunger, lack of motivation, and self-consciousness can lead to more sustainable fitness results.

Differentiating Hunger and Cravings

Justin Andrews emphasizes the nuanced difference between true hunger and mere cravings or habitual behaviors:

Justin Andrews [05:15]: "A lot of times it's misinterpreted as hunger. A lot of times it's just cravings or behaviors that you've built or bad behaviors that you've built around certain eating."

Adam adds that understanding this distinction allows individuals to respond appropriately, fostering healthier eating habits without undue restriction:

Adam Schaefer [05:30]: "...if you embrace it and then, okay, what is this hunger causing? What are the behaviors that I end up engaging in because of the hunger?"

Handling Lack of Motivation

The hosts acknowledge that fluctuating motivation is natural and often misrepresented in the fitness industry. Instead of viewing a dip in motivation as a barrier, they suggest anticipating it and adjusting behaviors accordingly:

Adam Schaefer [14:00]: "You're going to be motivated sometimes and sometimes you are not. It's not normal to always be motivated all the time."

Sal DiStefano advises maintaining consistency even when motivation wanes, ensuring that fitness remains a supportive element rather than a master.

Dealing with Self-Consciousness

Starting a fitness regimen often brings heightened self-awareness and self-criticism. Justin Andrews warns against allowing these feelings to drive negative behaviors:

Justin Andrews [18:30]: "You should judge your progress and how you're doing on your journey versus yourself, who is constantly, subjectively, picking yourself apart and finding all the flaws."

Overcoming the Desire to Escape Challenges

Facing physical and mental challenges in fitness can trigger a desire to escape, manifesting in overtraining or other detrimental behaviors. The hosts encourage embracing discomfort as a catalyst for growth:

Adam Schaefer [20:50]: "This is what makes it change. And what am I trying to do? I'm trying to change. So let me just stay in this uncomfortable feeling for a little longer."

Listener Live Coaching

The latter part of the episode features live coaching sessions where listeners share their personal struggles and receive tailored advice from the hosts.

Caller: Jared from North Carolina

Jared, a 49-year-old personal trainer, shares his battle with eating disorder behaviors and overtraining. Despite significant dietary adjustments and training regimen changes, Jared notices fluctuations in his body fat percentage and strength levels.

Key Insights from Hosts:

• Adam Schaefer [63:00]: Encourages Jared to view fitness as serving him, not the other way around, and to avoid becoming a slave to his regimen.
• Justin Andrews [75:50]: Advises Jared to stick with one aspect of his training to build expertise and achieve long-term success.
• Sal DiStefano [85:40]: Suggests integrating Christian principles with fitness to address Jared’s unique market.

Jared’s Progress:

Jared [66:58]: "I did the strength thing I'm really aware of... I pushed 25s for five sets of five."

The hosts commend Jared’s self-awareness and gradual progress, emphasizing the importance of trusting the process and focusing on measurable improvements like strength gains over scale numbers.

Caller: Christine from North Carolina

Christine discusses her recent diagnosis of Type 1 diabetes, peripheral neuropathy, and the impact of CBD on her blood sugar levels. She seeks advice on managing her condition and improving her mobility to return to activities like basketball.

Key Insights from Hosts:

• Adam Schaefer [110:08]: Recommends thorough medical evaluations to rule out autoimmune conditions and explore the relationship between cannabinoids and insulin sensitivity.
• Justin Andrews [114:50]: Suggests utilizing Mind Pump resources and forums for specialized guidance.
• Sal DiStefano [119:03]: Emphasizes the importance of functional medicine and toxin testing in diagnosing underlying issues.

Christine’s Progress:

Christine [111:07]: "I've noticed significant differences in blood sugar levels and my A1C level when using CBD."

The hosts direct Christine to additional resources and encourage her to continue exploring the therapeutic benefits of cannabinoids under professional supervision.

Insights and Conclusions

Episode 2514 underscores the critical role of psychological strategies in fitness. By acknowledging and embracing emotions, individuals can cultivate healthier behaviors that lead to sustainable fitness outcomes. The live coaching sessions illustrate practical applications of these principles, offering listeners personalized strategies to overcome their unique challenges.

Notable Quotes

• Adam Schaefer [03:06]: "When you're trying to get in shape, when you're trying to get lean or jacked or strong or just fit. You will fail if you fight the bad feelings. It's not the feelings you need to fight, it's the behaviors."

• Justin Andrews [05:17]: "There are times it's just cravings or behaviors that you've built or bad behaviors... And so I just feel like... you just need to focus on the plan."

• Adam Schaefer [14:17]: "Lack of motivation is normal. You're going to be motivated sometimes and sometimes you are not."

• Justin Andrews [18:19]: "Be careful because that is definitely will lead you down a path of bad behavior."

• Jared [66:58]: "I am the chronic over trainer. And every time you guys have someone on, I listen and I'm like, yes. I'm shaking my head like, they're over training, they're underfed, they're all these things."

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For those seeking to deepen their understanding of aligning behaviors with fitness goals, this episode offers actionable insights and real-world coaching examples. Whether you're grappling with similar challenges or looking to refine your fitness strategy, Episode 2514 provides valuable guidance on building a sustainable and effective fitness journey.

Transcript

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[Adam Schaefer]

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[Justin Andrews]

I like this.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And I like the first one that you have noted right away because I do think that there's a lot of nuance around it and I think that we've communicated it different a handful of times. I think there's sometimes is confusion around these signals or feelings that you're having and why you have to be careful because I think sometimes you. You'll play these mind games with yourself and get yourself in, in trouble instead of like focusing on the plan.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, yeah, I mean, human psychology, what we know, which is pretty well established, is if you have a feeling and you try to deny it or bury it or avoid it, it doesn't go away.

[Sal DiStefano]

No, it comes back louder.

[Adam Schaefer]

It manifests into all kinds of dysfunctional and strange ways. And we see this a lot. I mean, you see this everywhere, right? You see this with relationships, you see this with parents and their children and you know, how they raise their kids and. But when it comes to health and fitness, this is a big one. And in the whole space, the whole fitness space sometimes rallies around this idea that feelings are like, there's wrong feelings and then there's right feelings. And if you have the wrong feelings, well, then there's something we need to figure out and fix. Like, like the first one that I have listed is hunger. I mean, how many diets, how many plans, how many? Like, never feel hungry again? Yeah, don't worry about hunger. Don't you know the. The enemy with your diet is hunger? And it's like, well, hunger is, it's not something to ignore. Um, it's, it's, it's not a bad feeling. It exists. Now, of course, if you're too hungry or that can tell you a few different things. But I think people are so afraid of hunger that when it happens, they'll either deny it or they'll try to fight it with hacks and tricks, which I get to an extent. But if you don't embrace it and then, okay, what is this hunger causing? What are the behaviors that I end up engaging in because of the hunger? That's what you need to focus on. And when I figured this out as a trainer, I became far more effective with my clients versus the beginning years as a trainer where everything I was trying to do is to like, how do we not ever get hungry again? Like, that's a terrible mistake.

[Justin Andrews]

I would even make the argument that a lot of times it's misinterpreted as hunger. And a lot of times it's just cravings or behaviors that you've built or bad behaviors that you've built around, you know, certain eating. I mean, there's. I, I know I have, I have my own. That I know for sure have. I'll eat a full dinner and the craving of wanting an ice cream or something afterwards. And I know I'm not hungry. I just hate, you know, but you tell yourself, like, oh man, I'm. I'm still hungry. I'm still hungry. It's like, no, it's a craving and a habit that I've built around late night snacking and stuff like that. And so I. And then also we've talked before about, you know, hunger signals can be a sign of like, you're, you're cutting too hard or too much. But the truth is that's a very normal feeling. And I think learning to get comfortable in that is key. I've talked about this too, that, you know, I used to play this game with myself when I, when I, that would creep in and I would tell myself, oh, that's my body switching over to, to metabolize body fat, you know, and so, you know, put a positive spin on it. Right, Right. I could get up and I could give in to this craving of getting, getting some popcorn right now late at night and justify, oh, it's only so many hundred calories or make a healthy snack, to your point. Or I could sit in this feeling that isn't uncontrollable and isn't crazy. But yeah, maybe a little uncomfortable because it's new feeling to me knowing that, oh, you know what? I'm I'm metabolizing fat. I'm getting leaner, sitting here relaxing.

[Sal DiStefano]

Well, I think too, yeah. To understand between the different signals of hunger or craving you really have to go through, everybody should go through one period of at least, you know, depriving, like having a fast, like a 24 hour fast. I just, I just feel like, you know, if you can, if like you physically can do that, just from that behavioral aspect of really understanding, you know, when that signal shows up when you're actually really hungry and like you should, you know, feed yourself versus, like if I'm just seeking out something for comfort or for social reasons or whatever the case.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, look, there's, there's a, there's a spectrum of hunger and there's a normal range. If you are eating less calories or taking in less energy, it's a different way to put it than you're burning. It is normal. It is natural to have a signal of hunger that is higher than it would be. When you're eating as much energy as you're burning or more energy, especially than you're burning. It's totally normal. In fact, if you never felt hungry, something might be wrong with you. So it's a normal feeling. My point with this is it's normal. And what happens when you go from never eating in a deficit. Right. Never or almost always eating as much energy as you're burning or more energy than you're burning. So let's say you really haven't watched your diet for a long time. You're not exercising, you're 30 pounds overweight, 40 pounds overweight, whatever. Then you decide, I'm going to track my food, I'm going to try and reduce my energy intake through whatever method. And then you start to feel like a stronger hunger signal, of course, and it feels different and foreign to you. Well, yeah, because before you weren't in a caloric deficit, now you are, so you embrace it. And so like what you said, Adam, I remember figuring this out for myself. Now, I almost never put myself in a calorie deficit growing up because my insecurity was around being too skinny. So I was always stuffing myself. But the first time I really tried to get shredded, I actually had to put myself in a deficit. And then I felt this feeling that was like, huh? Which when I was a kid, if I felt hungry, I would stuff myself beyond. Right. So all of a sudden I'm feeling hungry and what I had to do is, oh, my body's tapping into stored energy. Once I embrace the feeling of being like, oh, I know what this feeling means, then it was not a problem. But if I tried to avoid it, then it would. What ends up happening is it manifests through different, different ways. So I would have the same communication with my clients. They'd say, oh, I'm feeling a little hungry. And I'd say, okay, well, your protein intake is good. You know, I'd look at all the common things, right? Protein intake's good. We're not too high of a deficit. Well, yeah, you're gonna feel a little hunger and acknowledge it and embrace it. Yeah, I'm hungry. Don't try to avoid it or bury it or deny it, like, oh, I'm not hungry, or face it or you know, embrace it. And then what happens is your behaviors are more manageable. If you don't embrace the feeling that is normal, then good luck trying to change your behaviors. Now you're just, you're. You're running blind. It's very, very difficult. Cravings also can be quite normal, especially when you're changing your lifestyle. Many times cravings are just. Anytime you change something that you're used to, your body wants to go back to your comfort. And one of the ways that it does that is it'll ramp up cravings. So you may have more craving. In other words, to give an example, you may often snack or overeat when you're stressed out. That's a common one. Like, when I'm really stressed out, I tend to find myself eating foods that are hyper palatable. And now I'm gonna change that. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna avoid these foods. I'm gonna avoid snacking when I'm stressed out. Well, now your body, your mind, your brain is saying, hey, what's going on here? I'm used to placating this craving with snacks. Now you're not giving me snacks. I'm gonna ramp up this feeling, which is normal. And so you kind of have to embrace it. Like, of course I have cravings. Usually when I'm stressed out, I grab candy. This time I'm not. I'm going to know I'm going to have more cravings. In fact, embracing some of these feelings means anticipating you're going to have them in the first place, which actually arms you for this even more if, you know, going into it, I'm going to feel hunger, I'm going to feel cravings. That actually arms you when these feelings pop up so that your behaviors can be much more manageable.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I believe it's, it's A lot. It has a kind of a snowball effect too, of like the, the more wins you stack up with getting comfortable, that the easier and easier it gets.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally.

[Justin Andrews]

If you always give into it, then it feels so overwhelming because you always get you, you know, versus you start to reframe that and look at it like, oh, my body's metabolizing fat right now. I'm getting leaner watching Netflix. This is awesome. And getting comfortable with that. You start to get excited about it and you get better at it. And it gets easier. And it gets easier if you give in every single time and have this attitude of like, oh, it's just. It's so hard or it's just so not worth it. It's so not worth it to give up all that for hardly any body fat percentage or hardly any weight on the scale. And so effort type of. If you have that attitude, then yeah, it's always going to get you. But the, the better you are at reframing it, the better you are at getting comfortable with those feelings and embracing it, the easier it will get.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally.

[Sal DiStefano]

I think too, like, it takes. It takes a lot of work to build associations with certain foods that benefit you as well to create those cravings, you know, in a positive way.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, good point.

[Sal DiStefano]

Which was difficult for me. I remember going through like crucifix. Crucifix.

[Adam Schaefer]

Cruciferous.

[Sal DiStefano]

Thank you. Crucifix. Vegetables. Yeah. And so I intentionally started to slowly eat them. But try my best to feel the positive effects of it energy wise or digestion wise. And so just, just to keep pinning the digestion. Digestion and. And eat it. It started to slowly over time, I go travel and I'm like, oh my God, I need to get some of these vegetables in order to feel better. I feel like, you know, blocked up. I feel like I'm not really, you know, getting as good as sleep. Like all these other things associated with that. And so it started to. To build up a case for it internally. And I'm like, oh, now I actually have cravings for this food.

[Justin Andrews]

Such a great point, Justin. And you just reminded me like that was the. What switched me from not being a big vegetable eater or even liking vegetables and fruit for that matter, was going on a really, really strict diet for an extended period of time where I was in a caloric deficit many, many times. Where I finally got to the point where I probably dipped into true hunger multiple times. And when you truly are hungry, it's amazing how those foods start to taste. Yeah, they taste way different. Than when you're always filled up and oversaturated. It's like. And that reignited and changed the relationship that I had with all those food groups. It was something that I was like, repulsed or never wanted. Whereas, like, oh, when I actually got into this place where I actually was really hungry because my body was deprived of calories when I fed it, these, these new nutrient dense foods like fruit, vegetables aren't as dense, but they're still give you some nutrients and you would get that and you go, oh, wow, this tastes so much better than what it tastes before. So I think it's for that reason. Another great way to reframe it of like, hey, I'm. I'm going through this process knowing that I'm going to help rebuild or change the relationship that I have with these foods that I know are healthy for me, but I don't tend to crave or want very often.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Next is lack of motivation. Lack of motivation is normal. But how many things have you read, how many things have you seen on social media that make you believe or sell the idea to you that lack of motivation is not normal? Fight it. Oh, you're not motivated. Fix that problem. You're not motivated. Here's the truth is you're going to be motivated sometimes and sometimes you are not. It's not normal to always be motivated all the time for all things that just doesn't happen. There are going to be times when you're not motivated. And what you have to do is anticipate it and embrace it. So you're just starting your workout plan. It's January, It's a new. It's a new thing for you. You're probably very motivated. New Year's resolution. Let's make this happen. Well, now 30 or 60 days passes by that motivation starts to fade. Do you stop? No. And you anticipate it. I know April is going to come around. I'm not going to want to do this as much as I am right now. This is going to feel boring or more boring than it did when I first started. I'm going to wake up and want to stay in bed instead of going to the gym. Whereas right now I feel like I want to go to the gym. So I know it's going to happen. I'm going to embrace it and I'm going to look at my behaviors. Otherwise, if I fight this feeling and try to work around it, what will end up happening is my behaviors will be ruled by it and I'll end up stopping my workout, which is what happens oftentimes when people lose motivation.

[Justin Andrews]

This is why you hear us constantly on the podcast talk about how we kind of talk people down on their commitment to the gym at first. Because most people that are calling in or talking to us or getting started in the gym are highly motivated in that moment of time. And many times will overextend or overreach their commitment to their fitness journey when they don't need to do nearly that much to see positive change and start to build some good habits and behavior. And you're far better off starting off with something that you know, you can commit to and build on that then, because right now it works for your schedule. I mean, how many times have you heard that like, oh, I have this break with work for the next month or I've got this thing where I don't have this project going on and so I've got the time and so now I'm gonna. It's like, well, that's not a good strategy because you have this moment of time, you have extra time, and so now you're gonna go all in on it when eventually, you know, you're not gonna have that time anymore. Which means it's gonna be that much more difficult to say, no, you're better off. When you're the busiest you can be. What is the least, or what is the least amount you have to, to commit to this and start with that and build on it.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, I'm always hesitant when that energy is really condensed and intense. You know, it's like to, to be able to draw that out further out and, and really think from a, a longer perspective. That's definitely the mature trainer in me that, that finally figured it out. It's like now conveying that to, to people kind of getting started. It's a difficult task, but it's something that needs, the conversation needs to Happen because yeah, 100%.

[Adam Schaefer]

Here's another one. Being self conscious in this process, especially when you first get started, is normal. You are focusing on your body, you're focusing on the things you need to change. That means you are going to have feelings of being a bit more self conscious with how you look, with how you're performing. Oh my God, I can't do this exercise. Oh, wow. You know, I'm really aware now of how my clothes fit. I'm really aware now of my lack of fitness or that I need to lose this weight. That's a normal feeling. It's totally normal because you are placing more of a focus on yourself. So anticipate that, embrace that it's gonna happen so that it doesn't pull the levers behind the scenes. That's when it becomes a big problem. When, when you're, when you're trying to fight it too much or focus too much on it is when it starts to drive behaviors that aren't so great, but know that it's gonna happen. No, look, I'm gonna start working out. I'm gonna be more aware of the fact that I can't run for 10 minutes or the fact that I, man, I'm doing that exercise. I thought I could lift that much. I can't even lift as much as I thought or. Man, I'm so sore. I thought that workout was really easy. Normal feelings. Those are normal feelings. When you first start, start on this.

[Justin Andrews]

On this process, I would even go as far to say, be careful. You're your worst judge. I mean, we've talked about this also many times. How many times have you seen a client or even yourself tell a story where you look back at a picture four or five years ago and you're like, man, I was in great shape right there. And then you recall how you felt about yourself at the time because of how self conscious we are about ourselves. And so I would even go as far as to tell a client, you know, be careful because you'll, you'll, even when you're doing good, you'll pick apart how, how well you're doing. And then that could really start to get in your head and make you start to change behavior based off of how you feel. So I wouldn't trust, trust my feelings in this situation because of those things. I'm going to look at things that are very objective, where it's like, oh, I was this strong a month ago. This is how strong I am now. I wasn't able to do this. Now I could do that far better. Judge of your progress and how you're doing on your journey versus yourself, who is constantly, subjectively, yes, constantly picking yourself apart and finding all the flaws in your physique and your reflection. Be careful because that is definitely will lead you down a path of bad behavior.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally. Also anticipate this normal feeling. Wanting to escape challenge is very normal. It's a very normal feeling. Anytime we're challenged, we're uncomfortable. There comes a point where we want to run or escape from it. And this can take the form of many things. Like, I'm not working out anymore. I'm going to go off eating in a particular way. I'm going to light Up a joint or, you know, whatever. Like, it's very normal to want to escape the challenge, anticipate it, know that, oh, here I am wanting to escape from this feeling. Why am I wanting to escape this? It's uncomfortable. Well, guess what happens in uncomfortable places. Change. And what am I trying to do? I'm trying to change. So let me just stay in this uncomfortable feeling for a little longer. This reminds me of the story I've told many times as an early trainer. And this, of course, repeated so many times with different clients throughout the years. But first time this happened to me, I was a young trainer. I'm training this woman. She's, I don't know, probably in her early 40s, and she's doing a tricep press down. She'd never strength trained before, never exercised before. And I don't remember what rep we were on and it was appropriate weight. I wasn't training her too hard or anything like that. And she's doing it and then she suddenly lets go of the bar and the weight stack slams and she. Oh, she makes this noise. I thought she hurt herself. I said, is everything okay? She goes, it hurts. And I said, oh, my God, your elbow. Like, show me where it hurts. And she pointed to her tricep. As we were talking, I realized, like, oh, that's just your muscle burning.

[Sal DiStefano]

That's what you want.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're not used to that. She's not used to that feeling.

[Justin Andrews]

It's.

[Adam Schaefer]

She wanted to run away and escape from that challenge. And then what dawned on me later, later on that day, because I kept thinking about that, like, this is because I had worked out for so long as a kid, I'd never really understood that. And then it dawned on me. You know, people who are really experienced, who've been working out for years or playing sports for years, they. They don't run away from that feeling. They, in fact, people who are experienced pro get that pain in more intensely than a beginner, but yet they don't run from it. You know, I've been working out now for years and feeling that pain. Actually, I kind of embrace it and run towards it. But in the beginning, you're going to want to escape. You're going to want to escape all the. All of the challenges that you're an encounter on this particular journey. Anticipate it like, oh, there I am wanting to run away. So let me just sit in this uncomfortable feeling. It's what makes me change.

[Sal DiStefano]

I've been talking about this with my youngest because I just noticed, like a Pattern where he will like get really angry and will not want to get up and do what he loves to do and like, do these, like sports. And I'm realizing it's just because he's scared and he's somewhat fearful of, you know, doing the wrong thing or he's just anticipating. He's anxious over it, but doesn't know how to articulate it. And so his answer is to just, you know, disassociate and try to like push back and, you know, not, not be a part of it. And I'm like, it's, it's trippy to me, but it's. I kind of understand now, you know, where that's coming from and how to address it.

[Justin Andrews]

I used to tell my clients if sexy was easy, everybody would be it. So I say 20 year old trainer. Yeah, right. Embrace the challenge. We're going to make mistakes, we're going to have some setbacks, we're going to make some wrong turns. That's part of this process. And if it was easy, everybody would be it. And so I'd let them know that up front. And so when those inevitable challenges arose, they didn't want to just run and disassociate or quit and give up. It was, we were ready for this. We knew it was going to be hard and difficult. That's also what's going to make it so rewarding on the other side. And so having them to focus on that versus thinking that we're going to avoid all these pitfalls and challenges instead. Yeah, we're going to see it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Challenge is what makes it reward.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, so I want to ask you, since we're talking about, you know, fitness and nutrition, what was. I know the answer, but what was the number one consideration that you had to take whenever working with your clients on eating a good breakfast? What was the big challenge, big thing.

[Justin Andrews]

That you consider similar to the. The gym? One of the Cs.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Convenience.

[Justin Andrews]

Convenience. Convenience, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's the one meal, easy that everybody seems to leave the least amount of time for.

[Sal DiStefano]

Totally.

[Adam Schaefer]

They're running out the door. Especially if you have kids, nobody wakes up way before they need to go.

[Sal DiStefano]

Unless you're a psycho and you wake up early, like just boom. And everything clicks.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I mean, it's always about convenience. In fact, this was the first breakfast, was the first meal to become hyper processed in western societies. It was breakfast cereals that were really the first accepted processed food. Because you wake up in the morning and it's like, oh, gotta go. To work, gotta get the kids ready, got, whatever. So convenience being the top one. And then in that, you know, as trainers and coaches, we know that protein and fiber are really important because both of those help control appetite throughout the day, blood sugar throughout the day, which drives behaviors. So that being said, you know, our partner, creature habit, their high protein oatmeal is in my opinion, one of the best nutrition partners that we have because takes care of all of those.

[Justin Andrews]

It's such a great commercial for the topics that you chose to talk about today because I'm not a fan of oatmeal, but I eat it all the time because of that, because it's convenient. Especially creatures of habit with the high protein. And it's like that was, that's always the bear. It's always been the excuse, oh, I want to sleep in. Oh, I don't have time. And so finding something I can do. And I just, I've never been a fan of oatmeal and the taste of it, but because it is so convenient, it is so good for me. It's so quick and easy. It's become something that I've trained myself to do on a regular basis. And so here's an example of something I don't allow my feelings to drive. You know, oh, I don't like that breakfast. It's like, no, listen, I either skip it or I make a bad choice. I can, I can eat that even if it's not my favorite.

[Sal DiStefano]

You like the result?

[Justin Andrews]

No, Exactly. And so, and I know how important it is to start the day off in the right direction because it really sets the tone for everything else 100%. It's so hard to make up the rest of the day when you don't get a good start. And so if I don't have the perfect, most best tasting breakfast in the world because I don't have a lot of time, that's something I can do consistently, I can commit to. And so what a great example with what you're talking about.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's the meal that's always on the run. It's always, always the rushed meal. So the fact that we have a, an oatmeal that's 30 grams of protein, it's got healthy fats, probiotics, electrolytes. It's got, what do they have, seven flavors. Now, maple caramel is my favorite one. But you know, chocolate, apple, cinnamon, blueberry, banana. You, you. Now I'll do, do two packets.

[Justin Andrews]

No, not right now. No, not right now. If I was in bulk, if I'm in bulk mode, And I'm trying.

[Adam Schaefer]

One's 30 grams.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, one's. One's plenty to get me going. If I was in bulk and increasing cal and I. Then I need to do two of them, but one of them is normally pretty good. Occasionally, I'll do two, but normally I'm just one.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude, I got. I got to tell you guys about my kid. He cracks me up so much. Like, you know, you heard the term boy energy. You know, your kids are just. Okay. I was reading the House of It. Yeah, I was reading. That's right. Your house is all boy, oh, boy.

[Sal DiStefano]

Even the animals.

[Adam Schaefer]

Even I. I was reading this. This. Who was I listening to? Was, like, a child expert. They were talking about how, like, little boys can get these bursts of testosterone and get this, like, wild energy or whatever. And I was under the impression that, like, boys testosterone is. Is. No. No different than a little girl's testosterone until they become. Go through puberty. That's actually not true. It's actually still higher.

[Sal DiStefano]

I don't think that's true.

[Adam Schaefer]

And testosterone can cause, you know, like, the. The. You know, that kind of dopamine, you know, behaviors, whatever. Anyway, my son just gets these bursts of energy, and he was. We were sitting in the living room, and he's looking at, like, pictures on. On my wife's phone, and he just ran randomly. He's just looking at it goes, yeah. And he just throws her phone across the room, and it hits the wall. And I see the look on his face. He's like, oh, sorry. Like, he had no idea. Yeah. Like, what happened? I just got excited. I'm sorry I threw your phone. And I can't get mad at the kid, you know, But I just. I'm watching him because I was actually watching him, like, doing this, and he was scrolling through, and he's like, yeah, like, oh, my God, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Poor Jessica. She's got that all day long. I'm sure that happens to her probably once. At least once a day, every day.

[Sal DiStefano]

She has a good cover for.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, man. We had. She just. I just got a text this morning. She goes, okay, he can't play with the Nerf guns anymore. We have to put them away. Yeah, because, like, we constantly have to tell him, don't shoot anybody. You could shoot, like, targets, but don't shoot us. And he remembers until he forgets, because what he does, he gets excited.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

He gets all psyched. And then, you know, next thing you know, I come around the corner. He's like, poppy, and he hits me. I'M like, yeah, buddy, you can't shoot people, those things.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, it's. You have to wonder too sometimes, like with a kid that's got that. At that age and that, that boy energy is like. Because it's almost like he's white. No, you tell him he can't. And it's like, oh, God, I want to do that so bad. You know, is it. Would it be better off just not telling him? And you're, you're almost more likely for him to do less of it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, you know what it's like if you have like a really active dog and you don't take your dog outside to run and play and do crazy shit and your dog chews up your furniture, it's your fault. Yeah, it's your fault. He needs to run, dude. He needs to go out and get dirty. And so, so it's like, that's. What if we're in. Stuck in the house because it's raining? I'll. I'll figure out a game where he's running along.

[Sal DiStefano]

You gotta get more kids over and get the goggles and like have full on wars. That's the only way it solved it for me because we went through the same process and we're like, every party or like, like hangout became just like Nerf wars. Outside, everybody's outside. Everybody's got goggles. I made sure the parents were cool with it. You know, you guys could shoot it. You self regulate, you know, because they're not gonna get hurt. It's freaking Nerf. But they're gonna cry. Yeah, the goggles is it?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Those things fire pretty good though.

[Sal DiStefano]

Oh, yeah. And then turns into airsoft and then turns into paintball. And I'm finally through that one pop.

[Justin Andrews]

One pump BB gun.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got that kid who does the two pumps, he's got this one Nerf gun. It's got a. It's got a drum on it with like six. You can put like six.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then some of them are automatic.

[Justin Andrews]

They've evolved so much since we were.

[Sal DiStefano]

The whistling huge ones.

[Justin Andrews]

What was the first? How about that for a trivia for you guys? I mean, when, when did Nerf. When did. When did Nerf get started? It happened in our footballs.

[Adam Schaefer]

Was the big first, right? That was the first one, right?

[Justin Andrews]

That was first. And then, and then when did like the guns and the arrows and all this.

[Sal DiStefano]

It was a game changer because it was.

[Justin Andrews]

And it was.

[Adam Schaefer]

I didn't have a Nerf gun when I was a kid. Did you guys have them? I don't think they had them.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, I remember having slingshots.

[Adam Schaefer]

Slingshots, yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Doing.

[Justin Andrews]

I remember being a young teenager and playing with my cousins. In fact, case Brett and them. So Brett's like, what is he almost eight years younger than me or so. And they had, like. They had the crossbow one.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh.

[Justin Andrews]

And it was like you. It was like a. It was a. It was a crossbow or a regular. But I don't remember if it was a crossbow. It was. It was a bow. Bow and arrow one. That was fun. That. And so I was. And I think that was kind of the beginning of releasing. Oh, let's see what it is. 80s.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, so it was late 80s.

[Justin Andrews]

Late 80s, though. So it was 90.

[Adam Schaefer]

Sharpshooter released in 91.

[Justin Andrews]

Show me the. Show me the Sharpshooter. And let me see, what, the fire darts, too.

[Sal DiStefano]

We had laser tag guns.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, there's the bow and arrow. In 91.

[Sal DiStefano]

We had the water guns.

[Adam Schaefer]

By the way, I gotta ask you guys this about the Super Soakers, the Nerf football, because this is what you played at school.

[Justin Andrews]

Who owns that? Is that. Is that a publicly traded company or is that.

[Doug]

I don't know, Started in.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yes.

[Doug]

Mattel, I believe. Started in 1969.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So the Nerf. The Nerf football. This is what everybody had at school. Because I think the teachers thought it was safe or whatever. Who the hell bites that all the time? Do you guys ever see a bite out of the damn Nerf football? Why. Why was it always a bite?

[Sal DiStefano]

That one kid's little off.

[Justin Andrews]

Dude.

[Sal DiStefano]

What are you doing?

[Justin Andrews]

Mike, those were so cool, though. You could send those so far, man.

[Adam Schaefer]

Remember the one that was, like, whistled. Yeah. And there was one that had, like a quarter corkscrew to it. Yeah, that would always, you know, you could always.

[Justin Andrews]

These are some of the early ones right here.

[Doug]

Yeah, this is Sharpshooter.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, I don't remember the sharpshooter, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

They have.

[Justin Andrews]

I remember the one on the left right there that you just showed.

[Adam Schaefer]

They have some now that are probably a 50 fully automatic.

[Justin Andrews]

So. Okay, so give me the history. So Mattel owns Parker Brothers.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, Parker. Oh, Parker Brothers game company. Wow.

[Doug]

They have Monopoly and Clue and also Nerf.

[Justin Andrews]

Are those like their three big things? Monopoly, Clue and.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, Parker Brothers does more than that.

[Doug]

They do more than that. But those are.

[Sal DiStefano]

But, yeah, board games were their big start.

[Adam Schaefer]

Monopoly, guaranteed way to get in a fight with your family. Guaranteed.

[Justin Andrews]

So interesting. What an interesting trio, though, right there. Yeah. Nerf, Monopoly and Clue. Very Very different.

[Doug]

Very different.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Doug]

All games.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't know.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean but that's, it's like, it's almost like a different group of people you're targeting for each one of those kind of. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean you're always going to war with each other I guess is your. So you still have a beef with your cousins over Monopoly?

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, mainly my one cousin. Yeah. She's like, she's just so vindictive. Like just very che. Like she. Yeah, like I knew she was stealing dude. Like, like taking it from the bank, you know, I just, I don't know. We always used to get into it cuz like for some reason you know, once you like dominate a certain part of the board, you're like pretty much screwed.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Like the whole rest of the game. And we would draw it out and it would go almost into like one in the morning, you know, kind of crazy time. And it was just melee and fight every time.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's. It's actually of all the games it's one of the better ones that would teach kids generally how you invest and how you use your money. So I remember figuring out the. At first, when I was a kid, when I was young, right. The way I played Monopoly was to save my money. And then I figured out oh no, spend as much as you can buying property. That's how you win.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And as I got older like that's not a bad, it's not a bad lesson to learn.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

You get 200 bucks, you know, you're trying to figure out like how you can make it through.

[Justin Andrews]

Now you have what's his face's game? Cash flow.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's that?

[Doug]

Oh, Robert Kiyosaki.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, Kiyosaki's game.

[Adam Schaefer]

Really?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. For teaching. I mean that's a game that I'll have, I'll have Max play. It's like a more sophisticated learning. Like Monopoly's definitely got some lessons like to teach you that It's a good, a great game for sure. It's like the, the next level to that for sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'm going to change directions here because we're get. We've been getting messages on peptides but in particular growth hormone releasing peptides. Those seem to be the most popular.

[Sal DiStefano]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Ones that people ask us questions about. So for people don't know, MP Hormones.com is our partners where you can work with peptides, hormone therapy, all that stuff. And whenever we talk about peptides we'll get messages on like what about the ones that raise growth Hormone. Are they effective? There's different ones. Which one does what? So there's two. There's two main ones that I think are the best ones to go with. There's Tessemarilyn and then there's one called Ibutamorin. And there's a difference between them. Tessa Marilyn's injected raises growth hormone. Ibutamorin is a capsule that also raises growth hormone. But Ibutamorin will raise your appetite, whereas Tessa Marilyn will not. So one is probably better for fat loss, the other one's probably better.

[Justin Andrews]

I would add to that. I noticed a difference sleeping wise on a beautiful one.

[Adam Schaefer]

I slept real hard.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Those are the things I liked about it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, man, for someone who's trying to bulk, the increased appetite and the. And the hard sleeping is like a double whammy. It's like you think about. Yeah. Training hard and trying to recover, being able to get good deep sleep and then also be able to eat the extra calories. I think that's the coolest part that I've noticed when we took that one.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. And the, you know, people will say good strength gains, you know, increased growth hormones, good for skin fat loss, whole thing.

[Justin Andrews]

And then are they. Are we still. I mean, I know we go kind of. I feel like we kind of go waves on the show of talking about peptides, you know, if it's making the news or some big stuff. Are we constantly seeing new ones evolve and come out? Or does it seem like they're kind of.

[Adam Schaefer]

We've.

[Justin Andrews]

We've gotten most of what we're going to get out of it or do you think they're always evolving and changing?

[Adam Schaefer]

There's so many of them that I just learn more about. I just learned about. Like there's one called SS31. I think maybe Doug, you Google it. If I'm. I'm not so ss.

[Sal DiStefano]

That sloop one was new for me.

[Adam Schaefer]

That was new. But I don't think that one's available except through. Through gray market.

[Sal DiStefano]

Gray market.

[Adam Schaefer]

But like getting it from a pharmacy. Like there's one called SS31, which helps improve mitochondrial function. And what a lot of people are saying is it's helping them with things like chronic fatigue. So people say, man, I'm just tired. I don't know why. I feel kind of. And then they'll take SS31. Oh, yeah, there it is right there. It targets the mitochondria and it improves energy production. ATP in the mitochondria. I've used SS31 and I liked it. Yeah, because you know, we have access to all of them, so, you know, I use them all.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you do it in combination with any sort of mushrooms or anything like that at all? Oh, nothing like that. Not like psychedelic.

[Adam Schaefer]

I know that.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, you gimme that look like I was saying, bro.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, it was groovy.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it was weird. I saw all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, no. So it's being investigated for mitochondrial diseases, neurodegenerative diseases, cardiovascular diseases, kidney diseases, and then they say it's potential anti aging therapy, might have some anti cancer effects as well. But I've tried it and I tend to feel more energy as a result from it. But you know, these pep. This whole peptide world is so fascinating to me. In fact, I ran into a friend of mine, he's a, he's a surgeon and he was talking about he has some shoulder pain and I said, hey, have you looked into peptides? He's like, no. I'm like, dude, like you're, you know, he's a medical surgeon. I'm like, I. So I sent him a couple, I said look into these because they might help you with your healing repair. And he's super psyched about it.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, that's cool.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, really, really cool.

[Justin Andrews]

Dude. Everett had his first game this weekend, huh?

[Sal DiStefano]

He did, yeah. Oh yeah, he did really good. I, it was nerve wracking. Like I've told you guys, I'm having a harder time with it than he is. I mean he's intimidated, you know, because it's a brand new landscape for him.

[Justin Andrews]

And he's got older kids that he's playing with, right?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

So sixth grade and these like eighth graders that are like men, you know, like they're, there's this kid like he could full on like grab rim and it, I mean they tried to kind of divide and, and you know, make, make the teams a little bit more even. But at the last minute I guess I got some insight from, you know, some of the other dads and whatnot that used to like coach and he's like, yeah. But then at the end they kind of, you know, made some of their own little lottery picks amongst each other and like, okay, I want to want this kid, I want this kid. And so they, yeah, there's, so there's like two super teams, like for sure, like, and the rest are like little, you know, like substantially little.

[Christine]

Right.

[Sal DiStefano]

And so Everett's teams in that category. But I think I look at it as a positive because he's learning and he's, he's gonna Get a lot of playing time because he's really been. Whenever he gets involved in something, this is what I love about him. He just. He. He obsesses, and he finally gets in. Into it. And so he's out there practicing, practicing, practicing, and he's so hard on himself that the coach is finally picking up on that. And so he. He actually earned himself. He only started two out of the four quarters, but through his game, his coach came up and he's like, he just earned himself another quarter, so he's gonna play three in the next one because he figured out finally how to, like, rebound and, like, aggressively go for the ball. He was kind of unsure what the rules and, like, how to, you know, swat and go for the ball. And, like, he didn't want to make fouls, and I'm just like, just go for it. I don't care. Like, you know, just take them out. Like, that's coming from me. But he's a little bit more cautious about that. Like, doesn't want to do the wrong thing. But he didn't make any points, but got a lot of rebounds, did a lot of really good passes, got some assists. So I was proud of him, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

And how does he feel afterwards? Is he, like. Can you tell? He's excited about it. Is he, like. So that's cool.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, he was excited about it. It got. Everything was. They actually played a. A team that was a good match, and so it was really even game the whole time. But the fourth quarter was. Was, like, wild, dude. It's. It's just wild to see kids when they start really noticing, like, hey, we're gonna lose or we're gonna win, you know, and it's like, you think it's a nothing game. This is like, you know, a little rec league and whatever. But all of a sudden, like, a light switch hits, and then you start seeing this intensity. And Everett wasn't in the fourth quarter. And so I'm watching these kids, and. And one of the kids, like, wasn't getting the calls, like, and it just was kind of stacking up against them, and, like, he just started to kind of lash out, and he, oh, come on, man. I wasn't out. And, you know, and then he's just, like, throwing F bombs. I'm like, oh, I don't know. You know, and then they get into a wrestle, and. And it. They got to a point where he's, like, in a shoving match, and he shoves this kid, like, super hard on the ground, and they had to call a technical foul. And, you know, one of the moms gets up.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's like, that kid was punching him.

[Sal DiStefano]

And remember, like, hey, hey, he was not punching. They were shoving, you know, like, also. Sit down. You. Like, you don't know what you're talking about. Like, you know, it gets aggressive sometimes.

[Adam Schaefer]

Be careful, bro.

[Sal DiStefano]

That pisses me off.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like.

[Sal DiStefano]

Like, seriously, dude, you're making it worse, you know, like.

[Adam Schaefer]

True.

[Justin Andrews]

And no kid ever wants that either. You know what I'm saying?

[Adam Schaefer]

You don't want your mom.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, you.

[Adam Schaefer]

No.

[Sal DiStefano]

It's embarrassing for everybody.

[Justin Andrews]

For all. All the. All the moms and dads, for that matter, that do that.

[Adam Schaefer]

The best thing that parents can do is cheer and nothing else. A coach. That's it.

[Sal DiStefano]

Let the coaches and the rest handle it. Yeah, that's it. Anything you do is encouragement.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal DiStefano]

Or else just, you know, that's.

[Adam Schaefer]

It always gets me so mad when you see these, like, you know what it feels like to me, Parents trying to live vicariously through their kids? It's exactly what it makes me so mad.

[Justin Andrews]

It's either that or you have situations where the parents feel they know more than the coach who's coaching.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Which. That's probably one of the greatest challenges. If you're like, say, a dad who. Or they're just scared. Knows the game really well. And then you've got. Because at that level, of course, a.

[Adam Schaefer]

Lot of, like, the best.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

At that level. A lot of these. These are, like, volunteer parents. Right. It's like, they're all at the meeting one day and like, hey, who wants to be the basketball coach this year? And like, come on, Steve, do it. I don't want to do it.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know what I'm saying?

[Sal DiStefano]

He's just YouTube, you know?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Sal DiStefano]

Figuring it out.

[Justin Andrews]

Like, the week before. He's got, like, his first basketball practice. He's, like, picking up the books at Barnes and Noble, and he's trying to figure it out. You know what I'm saying?

[Sal DiStefano]

Half the time, that's what it is.

[Justin Andrews]

And then you're a dad who probably played, like, you know, you played college ball or something, and you're watching, like, what the Is going on out there?

[Adam Schaefer]

I hate it.

[Sal DiStefano]

But why are you zone right now?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I feel like you should volunteer, though. If you're that dad. If you're that dad and you feel that way, hey, volunteer your time and get in there and help the teachers.

[Adam Schaefer]

I hate the yelling or the advice from parents. That's terrible. And I don't mean terrible advice. Like, they're telling them to do the wrong thing. It's ignorant advice. Like, my daughter played soccer up in San Francisco.

[Justin Andrews]

Try harder.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, no, it's this.

[Jared]

Kick the ball.

[Adam Schaefer]

Kick the ball. Go faster. Kick the ball. Yeah, those ones of the best right there. Kick it. You know, like when I used to do Jiu Jitsu, I used to hate that when I would do Jiu Jitsu.

[Sal DiStefano]

Choke him.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, just choke him. Come on, just choke him.

[Justin Andrews]

What do you think?

[Sal DiStefano]

He's here.

[Adam Schaefer]

Choke it.

[Justin Andrews]

Make the basket.

[Adam Schaefer]

Make the basket.

[Sal DiStefano]

Shoot.

[Justin Andrews]

Shoot.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude.

[Justin Andrews]

That's true. That is. That is the most annoying.

[Adam Schaefer]

I took. We took the whole family up to the city because my daughter.

[Justin Andrews]

No shit, Karen. That's what I'm trying to do.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's soccer. Of course you're trying to kick the ball. Shut up. We went up to the city to watch my daughter play. And the little ones, my little kids got to see her play for the first time. It was so.

[Justin Andrews]

Was it this weekend?

[Adam Schaefer]

Is this weekend? It was so cute watching them be so excited about their big sister playing. Yeah, like, like, is she playing? Is she. I'm like, she's playing. Yay. He's like trying to yell, get her attention. Oh, so fun. It's so cute.

[Justin Andrews]

It's so fun.

[Adam Schaefer]

So did you guys watch? I think you did, right, Justin? The Wesley Huff interview with Joe Rogan?

[Sal DiStefano]

I did, yeah. Yeah. Fantastic, bro. He's so smart, man.

[Adam Schaefer]

So he's.

[Justin Andrews]

I can't wait to watch it. I didn't watch it.

[Adam Schaefer]

So he's. It's. I didn't know this term before. And again, forgive me, because I'm a new Christian, but apologetic is somebody who comes out and, and basically argues for the evidence for the faith. Right. And so their point is to come out and say, no, here's what the history says. Here's what these, you know, these documents show.

[Sal DiStefano]

Here's the evidence they teach us in like divinity schools. This isn't like common knowledge.

[Adam Schaefer]

So he's this 33 year old young man, which has to he. To me, he seems like one of the smartest, wisest people I've ever heard speak on the subject. Again, I'm new to this, but he's so smart. He's so well versed. He understands different ancient languages. Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek. The intricacies and the nuances.

[Justin Andrews]

So he went on Joe Rogans like crazy.

[Adam Schaefer]

He went on Joe Rogan because Rogan saw in a. A debate between him and Billy Carson.

[Sal DiStefano]

Carson, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, so Billy Carson, is. Is he an astrophysicist?

[Sal DiStefano]

Is that his astrophysicist. And then he's sort of like a self researcher of ancient documents, tablets, whatnot.

[Adam Schaefer]

So I was a fan of Billy Carson.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Because I would see clips of. Clips of this guy talking and he would say, crazy.

[Sal DiStefano]

He makes wild connections. And. And yeah, it's like entertaining.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Like what he brings up.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You guys both knew of him before this?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

So if you're into that kind of.

[Sal DiStefano]

Stuff, like, him, he's.

[Adam Schaefer]

You. You know who he is. He's fun. He'll say, oh, the Egyptian text said this, and it may be aliens. And then there's this. This weird text here that said. And he puts all these connections together, trips you out. Anyway, he gets on a podcast and debates Wesley Huff on essentially the validity of the Bible and whatever, and gets embarrassingly destroyed.

[Sal DiStefano]

It was rough, man.

[Adam Schaefer]

It was. I felt bad for him. Like, there was one point where. And by the way, there's more of the story. So. So Rogan had him on because Billy Carson got so destroyed so badly that. That Rogan wanted Wesley Huff to. On his show. I guess Billy Carson sent a cease and desist letter to the. To the. To the guy who wrote the. Who did the podcast where he debated Wesley Huff. He said, don't show this.

[Sal DiStefano]

And they're like family friends and like their kids hang out and wives and all that. And this, like, totally fractured.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, I think it destroyed his. I know it did for me. I don't want to watch him anymore because I realized just how surface level he was on some of his arguments.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

So there's one point where he comes out and he goes, oh, the, the Sinai Bible, which predates the King James Bible, says that, you know, Jesus was never crucified. This, that, and the other. And you can see Wesley Huff, very polite. He's like, could you be talking about the Cynatus?

[Justin Andrews]

He reaches back.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Any guy. And the guy's. I think so. Yeah. And he goes, yeah. Oh, you mean this? And he turns around, he's got it on his bookshelf.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And he pulls it out and he's like, that's weird you say that because it. Were it.

[Sal DiStefano]

I just want to make sure we're talking about the same book for. He was like reiterating that.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I always saw. Giving them the benefit. I can see that. That's where. And he's like, so in. In chapter 13, where he's like. Actually, he's like referencing pages.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's identical to the. You know, to the. To the new King James Bible. In terms of what? And, and then he comes out, Billy Carson tries to like save himself. He goes, oh, it was the Gospel of Barnabas. And he goes, Barnabas? He goes, that's interesting. And he comes out and says, that's a well known forgery. And he goes through. Historically, Yeah, I mean, and Billy Carson.

[Sal DiStefano]

Just got destroyed lots of literature that's been forged over the years. That's the thing. If you're not an expert, it's just, it's crazy, man. Like you could get, like I could get sucked in because it's, it's so interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

You don't know.

[Sal DiStefano]

I don't know the context. Yeah. Not only that, they know the context.

[Justin Andrews]

You're also talking about things hundreds of years ago that was, you know, thousands of years ago that's written. And you're like, you know, the difference of One being written 100 years before, 100 years after makes a big difference.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. And it's not just that. It's also, you need to know the language and the nuances of what they say.

[Justin Andrews]

Sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

Here's something that I learned. That's a trip that Wesley Huff communicated. That is. This is well established. I didn't know this. So before the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered, the oldest copy of the Old Testament went to, I think early Middle Ages, if I'm not mistaken. So like the book of Isaiah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Which prophesizes all these different things. The oldest copy we had was written during the Middle Ages. And the criticisms of the book of Isaiah was. Oh well, those prophecies were written after the fact. Like we have an art, we have a document that was written after they happened. That's why it seems so accurate, because someone wrote about after they, they found out, you know, after they saw these things happen. The Dead Sea Scrolls. There's a copy of the book of Isaiah that predates it a thousand years. Okay, so a thousand years before, that.

[Sal DiStefano]

Was the one that was identical. Right. The text, it was word for word.

[Adam Schaefer]

Identical to the one that was. In other words, no printing press, no photocopy machine, no nothing. Yeah, Word for word, exactly the same. A thousand years before. And then the one that had. How crazy is that?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, that's why.

[Adam Schaefer]

Blew my absolute mind. There's a lot of stuff that he talks about, if you're into that kind of stuff.

[Sal DiStefano]

Very fascinating, but so far, I was.

[Adam Schaefer]

Reading this article on it. They're saying that because of that Rogan episode, he's probably the most viewed apologetic in history now.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

It's gone so viral, the power of Rogan these days.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, he's such a cultural force.

[Justin Andrews]

Big time dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

Big time cultural force.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I don't even know the old numbers. You know what I. Did you guys see. Did you see the new documentary that's on? Oh, my God, why? He's slipping my name right now. He was battling Oprah forever for the.

[Sal DiStefano]

Oh, Springer. I did, I watched.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you watch it?

[Sal DiStefano]

Not all the documentary.

[Adam Schaefer]

Jerry Springer.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, it's. It's worth a watch for sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is it really?

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, definitely. I'm like halfway through it right now. I'm not all the way through. I think it's like four episodes or something like that. Yeah, but I've watched a couple of them already so far. The reason why I brought it up was because everybody spoke of Oprah as like, untouchable. Like, there she was just in a.

[Adam Schaefer]

Whole talk show host.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

It was like 114 million versus their, like 4 or 5 million.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. They. Everyone else was fighting between like 1 and 4 and she's like 14 or something like that. Like, it's like everyone's like fighting for second. And, you know, Jerry Springer overthrew her. Like, so that's like crazy to think that someone like that did that. But anyways, I was just thinking about where Oprah is on a. On a viewership standpoint and how that relates to Joe Rogan's pool. And is. Is he. Is peak Oprah smaller than what Rogan is right now, or is she. Was she still bigger at that point? Any idea? Have you heard any comparisons?

[Adam Schaefer]

That's a good question. That's a very good question.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I'm just curious.

[Adam Schaefer]

I would argue, however, regardless, I mean.

[Justin Andrews]

He'S got, obviously he has a massive advantage because she grew. She came up in the time of. You gotta watch her at 2 or, you know, whatever. Yeah. Network TV, where he came up in streaming. And so it's like you can catch your Rogan episode any time of the day anytime you want.

[Sal DiStefano]

Her influence was substantial in terms of book launch. And I remember her like also having a part of that. Like, anytime it was Oprah's book club. Like, you knew that book was game over.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, you mean that. You know, that was the huge thing for all these companies. They figured that out. Remember what year they figured that out and that because became a thing where. Remember she used to give away cars to the whole audience. Like, any brand she gave away would blow up, would blow up afterwards. And so these companies were just fighting to give her stuff. Like talk about the influence and Power.

[Adam Schaefer]

Now, now, I would argue so. Advertisers have talked about this for a long time, but culturally, the demographic that has the. Some of the strongest influence culturally are young men. Young men, 20s, 30s. If you influence them, it tends to shape.

[Justin Andrews]

Now, what's the. What is the why?

[Adam Schaefer]

Because.

[Justin Andrews]

That's interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's a good question.

[Justin Andrews]

Because women are the buyers.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, they are.

[Justin Andrews]

Then. And most men will do whatever a woman says, so they influence the health. Why. Why is, why is the young man so influential?

[Adam Schaefer]

No, there's lots of arguments around this. For example, like one of them is the, the. If a father follows a particular faith, the odds that the children are willing is like 75%. If it's the mom and not the father, it's far less. I don't know if it's a leadership thing. I don't know if it's a. Whatever. You can make all kind of arguments, but I do know that when you, when you capture young men and influence them, it's very powerful force. Rogan is extremely influential with men. With young men. So I would argue that he's a stronger cultural force if you're, if you're looking at the shift, you know, shifting attitudes and stuff like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you look up numbers at all, Doug? What do you got?

[Doug]

Yeah, so she had about 55 million views per week. And Rogan has about 11 million listeners per episode.

[Justin Andrews]

Per episode. Per episode. Three per week. Right.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So that'd be about 33 million.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know what?

[Justin Andrews]

33 to what? Say again?

[Doug]

55.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, so he's less.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. But you know what, though? One of his episodes is two hour, three hour long. Yeah. Her show was 30 minutes.

[Justin Andrews]

No, one hour. I think she had a one hour.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think with commercials, you're probably going to cut it down to like 40.

[Justin Andrews]

Sure, sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, I mean, commercials too, right?

[Justin Andrews]

So, I mean, that's interesting. Yeah, no, that's a, that's a, that's. I actually thought Rogan would actually consider. He's got the streaming advantage. I thought he would actually be.

[Adam Schaefer]

There's also clips of him.

[Justin Andrews]

Think about that for a second. Okay. In, in the defense of. Even though I'm not a big Oprah fan, but in the defense of her and like her influence, like, talk about crazy. To be capturing on network television that kind of.

[Adam Schaefer]

I know.

[Justin Andrews]

Audience.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, nobody came close. That's great. You're, you're, you're, you're garnering the attention of people in the middle. They're, they're making time. Their Day to stop and watch at that time. Rogan, it's totally different. I mean, you have the luxury of listening to him in your drive. I can catch up tomorrow. Oh, I can watch the other halfway. I mean, it's the. That, that convenience factor. I mean, we talked about convenience today. How much that plays such a huge role in people's decision making. So the fact that she didn't even have that leverage and was pulling that kind of an audience is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

What's even more of a. Like when you watch the Jerry Spring. The fact that Jerry Springer leaped over her is crazy.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, that just is how up we are.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know what society.

[Sal DiStefano]

The lowest common denominator.

[Justin Andrews]

Do you remember when it. Do you guys remember? Like, I remembered the. The, like the trajectory of it.

[Sal DiStefano]

Like, I remember seeing KKK guys fighting each other.

[Justin Andrews]

I remember so much of that. I remember, like, when it started kind of normal. He actually went back in the documentary and showed me clips of what I didn't even like, definitely didn't see that. Like, it really. It started off as like trying to be like an Oprah.

[Adam Schaefer]

It was. It was a normal talk show.

[Justin Andrews]

Very normal.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then it turned into like, you know, I'm sleeping with the Phil Donahue and the.

[Sal DiStefano]

All the other ones. And some of them went to like, was it Maury Povich where he did the results? Yeah, like his thing. And then it was.

[Justin Andrews]

It was so crazy that I actually. So another thing the documentary reveals is that it is not staged. Like, it was those.

[Sal DiStefano]

So what was interesting. It was really interesting with that because they had hype people behind the scenes. So they get the story, but then they bring him in with limos. They. They treat him real nice. And then they have like their own personal coach, which is like another producer that's like trying to get the best out of them. And they role play beforehand with them to get them like, hyped to tell their story and like really deliver it with dude. And I was like, this is brilliant. It. It did feel like they were acting on a level like when they came on. But you could tell, like, I didn't know that it was like real.

[Justin Andrews]

But you could tell by the punches that it was real. Yeah, you could tell by the anger. Right.

[Sal DiStefano]

Emotion was real.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm right with you because I thought he was like, this has got to be staged because it's like it, you know it's going to be a fight. How do you know it's gonna be.

[Adam Schaefer]

Stages you can get without staging it.

[Justin Andrews]

Right. I mean, it's but when you think about the brilliance of that, I mean, to feed into that. That side of us as humans, literally.

[Sal DiStefano]

The Roman Coliseum, like, gladiator stuff.

[Adam Schaefer]

But again, here's the argument. Fine. More viewers than Oprah. More influential. No, no, no. It's. It was trash tv.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, no, so he. So he comes out and he apologizes and admits that he, like, influenced and ruined society. Like, you look at all of reality TV today and look at what you see.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, you're right.

[Justin Andrews]

He gave the permission and the blueprint on how to get views and how to create drama on there. And so all the reality TV going forward has now used that as the blueprint of.

[Sal DiStefano]

In the mastermind behind is still proud to this day, even though, like, people on their show had a fight and then murdered.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

What?

[Sal DiStefano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

That was the. That was the demise of it. Right. Was when they.

[Adam Schaefer]

Someone got murdered.

[Sal DiStefano]

And this guy's still reflecting on it like it's his masterpiece.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

You know, it's like, it's pretty nefarious.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, it's wild, dude. It's crazy to. To think how it's. It's interesting, too, because people could point the fingers and say, how disgusting and this and that, but it's. It's really a mirror.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

It's really a reflection of us.

[Sal DiStefano]

People watch you talk all the you.

[Justin Andrews]

Want about him and the producer and all this, blah, blah, blah, but it's.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like we're tuning in.

[Justin Andrews]

I think it's more interesting the fact that how many of us couldn't look away and wanted to watch it? And what does that say about us, like, more than anything else? I think that's the crazy part.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, Doug, I was gonna ask you, you've been using the Joy Mode testosterone booster consistently. Yeah. And I know your numbers are through the roof. Are you still using it?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And so what do you. What are you feeling from. Because your numbers were high anyway and they got even higher.

[Doug]

I think the most significant thing I've noticed since my last test was my free testosterone had gone up.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes. Do you notice any effects from.

[Justin Andrews]

Is it supposed to do that if.

[Adam Schaefer]

They have a test booster that raises testosterone? So. Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Even somebody though, like him, who's.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right. So this is what's interesting to me. Normally, if you have an herb or a formula to raise testosterone, the data shows it works on men with low testosterone. If you have high testosterone, well, then it's not going to make a difference. Doug's was high. His. His numbers are really high. Now after taking that, after Taking the joy mode. So.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

I want to ask if you notice anything.

[Doug]

Well, I. One of the things I've noticed, and again, I have no numbers to back this up. I wish I would have done, like, a DEXA scan or something like that, but I was down to, like, 156, 157 pounds, like, three months ago. I'm like 100. Would I say 150? 657. I'm at 166 right now. 10 pounds now.

[Adam Schaefer]

Stronger.

[Doug]

Stronger. I. I swear I put on some muscle.

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't think you did.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Definitely feel like I put on some muscle. And my pants. Yeah, a little bit tighter than they were, so I definitely put on some fat. But that much weight, I've never weighed this much.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. You know, it would be cool to hear from our audience because he's out.

[Adam Schaefer]

Of range with his testosterone.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, so that's why. So I'd love to hear from our audience because I'm sure Doug's not the only person that has got naturally high testosterone that has probably tested this. And so I'd like to hear another case of someone like him. It's. I know the effects on someone who's low.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, it's.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, you'll feel it.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, you'll definitely feel it. Especially, like, pretty much immediate right after. If you've. You consistently low, you take something like joy mode, you'll notice a boost relatively quick. But I was also familiar with, like, well, if someone's already high, that's kind of negligible, that you don't really know the difference. So the fact that he feels. Sees a difference from. It would be interesting to hear from other cases of people who. Who are trying it that are. That are already kind of high too.

[Adam Schaefer]

I have a shout out. I've shouted this person out before, but I'm gonna bring it up again. In fact, she was the motivation behind the. The fit tip in the very beginning about feelings and behaviors. It's Dr. Becky Good inside. Great, great content for parents on understanding humans, child psychology, how to raise your kids, why they act the way they do, how to be effective, why they act the way they do.

[Justin Andrews]

She's the one with that really good TED Talk.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. And she's. She's so, you know, she says literally in one of these. I watched a video this morning. It's all feelings are okay. This is like, as a parent, all your kids, feelings are okay. Let them know. It's the behaviors that you focus on, but not the feelings. Don't make your kids feel like their feelings are wrong because then that results in worse problems. Anyway, she's really, really good. You can find her all over social media. All right, in today's episode, I talk about growth hormone releasing peptides like ibutamorin. Tessa, Marilyn, we work with a company, mphormones.com they work with peptides. They also do hormone replacement therapy. This is with real doctors, real pharmacies, no gray market or black market crap. By the way, right now they're having a sale, 25% off teslfensin and semaglutide. Semaglutide is a GLP1 agonist. This is Ozempic. It's the generic of the Ozempic. Anyway, huge discounts right now. Go to mphormones.com all right, back to the show.

[Doug]

Our first caller is Christine from North Carolina.

[Adam Schaefer]

Hi, Christine.

[Justin Andrews]

How you doing, Christine?

[Sal DiStefano]

Morning.

[Jared]

How are you?

[Adam Schaefer]

We're good.

[Jared]

I've been in the fitness industry since I was 18. I am 49. I'll be 50 in six months, which is kind of mind blowing at some point for me because I said it out loud to him like, oh, my gosh, I'm 6 months to 50 years old. This is crazy. My biggest struggle has always been with eating disorder behavior. I was a runner, I was a marathoner. I have done literally every cardio thing that you can possibly imagine. I competed in all sorts of cardiovascular sports. And then I decided one day after a marathon, hey, I'm done. I'm going to do something different. So I then took on the arduous task of a bikini competition. So I've done two of those. Right now I'm just living my life doing a lifestyle thing. I work for a fitness coaching team part time. I'm also actually in NASM right now getting my personal training license and also nutrition coaching certification. So this is my world outside of my actual full time, my career. But I've always struggled with eating disorder behavior. I am the chronic over trainer. And every time you guys have someone on, I listen and I'm like, yes. I'm shaking my head like, they're over training, they're underfed, they're all these things. And then I do the same thing to myself and I go, well, you know what, though? That's what works for them. That's just not what works for me. I need to train seven days a week. I need to do all the things. I need to do the cardio. I know I need to eat my protein I mean, I count macros, obviously. Currently, when I wrote this, I was actually at 120 grams protein, 100 carbs, and 60 fats. However, things have changed so much because I paused after listening, and I can't remember which episode it was. I apologize for that after, because I was trying to figure out, did I want to buy Muscle Mommy? Did I want to buy Anabolic? Like, what program did I need to buy? And I just pulled the trigger on Muscle Mommy. I started Muscle Mommy in October. I also freaked out, only training three days a week. I mean, I'm really freaked out about it, but I'm like, nope, just. Just trust the process. I did a slow reverse, and I am actually now at 140 protein, 160 carbs, and still at 60 fats. So to get me there was. It was tough. I'm five foot tall. I've never weighed more than 105 pounds in my entire life. So the scale, F's with my head. So I listen to you guys, and I'm like, hey, listen, I'm not going to get it on the scale from October 1st, when I started Muscle Mommy, until January 1st, when it's done. And then in December, I took advantage of the sale and I purchased Anabolic. But I'm still in a place right now where I'm not seeing the changes to my body that I want to see. I'm. I'm thinking to myself, at the time that I wrote this in September, I actually had just had a DEXA scan done. I was 16 body fat, which was thrilling to me because that's. I've always maintained between, like, 13 and 16. I know you're gonna say it's not the right thing for a female, but I'm proud of it. But I just had my DEXA scan done again in the middle of December, and I remind you, I have not gotten on the scale, and my body fat percentage went up to 19, and I completely freaked out. So any advice that you can give me at this point, Am I on the right path, the right program, the right nutrition? I have not started Anabolic yet. Today was my last day of Muscle Mommy, and I was going to move into Anabolic. Tomorrow would be a train, a lift day for me. Today was just trigger sessions.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, no, thank you so much for. For writing in real quick.

[Justin Andrews]

Real quick. What is the off? Because I can't. I didn't do the math. The breakdown on the macros, what does that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Went up? 60 grams of carbs.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I saw that. But what does that. What does that equate to calorie wise, what's that put you?

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, gosh, it's an extra 60 plus an extra 20 in protein, if I'm not mistaken. Right?

[Jared]

It was. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So it's. You're. You. You went up 320 calories.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. So, yeah.

[Jared]

So I can. Yeah. Right now I'm currently My total calorie intake is 1600. It's like 1650.

[Justin Andrews]

So you're coming from 13 and you went to 16.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, now, couple things. Number one, I always. People who've been training for a long time who've made fitness a big part of their life, I love that they're always so proud about telling their age. You open by telling everybody your age, and you obviously look vibrant and healthy and happy, so that's exceptional. I understand the struggle and the best way I could communicate this. You've listened to us talk about this many times, I'm sure, but maybe this will resonate with you. Fitness, your workouts, it needs to serve you. You should not be serving it. It is not your master. Okay, if fitness becomes your master, you are now a slave to fitness. Now, how do you know if you're a slave to it? Well, you freak out if it changes a little bit. You're scared of doing what you know to probably be the healthier thing, which is to increase your calories, reduce your training. And so you have to ask yourself, is this a benefit? At this point now, you've gotten tremendous benefits from fitness, but at this point, if you're finding yourself as a slave to it, it's causing you more harm than you realize. And the only way you'll know this is if you break out of that. You have to break out of it. Going up 300 calories is a great step, but 1600 calories for someone like you, your activity level still low, your fitness still very, very low. I would continue to reverse you and I would stay away from all of the things that cause you to trigger you to put yourself back in that slave mentality where fitness then becomes your master. Again. Dexa, scan the scale, all that. I would just avoid that for as long as you possibly could and pay attention to things that are going to serve you better, like strength, energy, sleep. Let me ask you this. Since bumping your calories and switching to muscle mommy, did you notice any improvements in things like energy, strength, anything like that?

[Jared]

I did the strength thing I'm really aware of because I keep track, and I have for a really long time keep track of my. My training and My. And one of the reasons why I was so frustrated and I moved so quickly to purchase Muscle Mommy is because I was feeling like I was not getting stronger, I was getting weaker. And I always gauge my strength by shoulder presses, which is kind of funny, but I've always done that. And I'm like, when I was training for a bikini competition, I was up at 25 pounds, dumbbells, and I was so proud of myself for that. And I kept slipping back, and it was like 25, then it was 20, and I was exhausted, and I'm like, I'm getting back to 25. I don't care what happens. I'm getting back to 25s. So when I started Muscle Mommy in October, I was at 15s and I was tired and I was so exhausted. And three days before New Year's, I pushed 25s for five sets of five.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's awesome.

[Jared]

So yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Jared]

The answer to your question is yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Great sign. Great sign. It's telling you you're moving in the right direction. You know, someone, too. Like you, Christina. I always, like, I actually have. It's funny. I have a client that's been a long friend of mine named Christine that actually reminds me a lot of you. You guys are actually almost similar build, close, similar, close age. And she is. Has a very similar person. And I'm constantly having to remind her that, one, Christine, you look amazing. Two, you have been doing this for so long. You're so knowledgeable. This I. You can come and go any way you want. And so there should be no fear of even putting 8% body fat on, because you have the tools, the knowledge and the experience to go right back. So I'm always encouraging her to experiment with that anyways. Like, let's just go, I wonder what you feel and look like at 22. Body fat. And we're not going to measure along the way, but who cares? Because you know what to do to get back down to 16. You've been there for so long, so many times that you could totally do all those things again and get right back there if you want to. But why don't we just see and test what you feel like, what you look like. If we just keep going in this direction for another six months and see how you feel and then assess. And of course, I've got to do the same thing with her where I pull. No more. No more scale. No more comparing yourself. Right now. Let's just focus on the workouts. Let's just focus on pushing more calories. And then we'll assess later. That's, that would be the advice. The advice would be get rid of the. And, and I don't know if the mirror is a thing that does it to you too and, or the scale, but I'm telling you to get rid of those. And I'm telling you look at what happened when we added 300 calories. Look where your strength is. Let's go get 35 pound dumbbells. Let's go get 35 dumbbell presses. I got you. We'll get there. You just got to trust the process and we got to continue to feed the body.

[Adam Schaefer]

I, I would bet money that you would be able to press the 40 pound dumbbells with, with more calories. No, Joe, if you're my client, if in fact I never say so, as an experienced trainer, one of the one things you don't do is you don't tell a client. I'm going to get you to this right here because you want to under promise and over deliver unless you're super, super sure. If you hired me with your experience like this conversation, you hired me, I would tell you, oh, we'll get you to press 3540 pound dumbbells. I feel very confident because your background and where you're at with as few of calories you've been eating and as much over training as you've been doing now you got stronger. How was your energy? Did you notice changes in energy with, with the change?

[Jared]

I never have an energy issue at all. I mean I get up at 4:00 in the morning, I'm in the gym by 4:30 in the morning. I just don't like, I don't know if that's, everyone tells me it's a placebo effect because it's just who I am. I literally don't have an energy issue ever. Like Energizer Bunny all the time. As a matter of fact, where I work they call me the espresso shot. So I just don't.

[Justin Andrews]

You're well adapted. You're well adapted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Training for a long time.

[Jared]

I don't have an energy issue.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you notice?

[Jared]

I do. I'm like, it's hormonal.

[Adam Schaefer]

Did you notice any other changes besides strength going up?

[Jared]

You know, not really. I mean I was looking for the strength to be quite honest and then I was really focused on mentally, how did I feel? Because not stepping on a scale for 90 days is a huge thing for someone with past eating disorder behavior. I mean I, I'll tell you when I was in my 20s, I used to get on the scale four times a day. And if I, if it went up, that would reflect on what I would eat the next day or how hard he would train the next day. So. And I've been doing this since I was 17, so this is a long time in the works and, you know, to turn from cardio bunny to lifter over the course of the last 10 years. I did my first bodybuilding show 10 years ago, and the first coach I had, she was amazing. She was like, we're not going to step on the scale and I'm giving you a meal plan and that's what you're going to follow. And you have to just trust the process. She said, but I want you to gain 10 pounds. And I absolutely started to cry. And she's like, you hired me. Like, it's, it, we're going, it's go time. And I did, and I got on stage 10 pounds heavier than I was when I met her. So it's, it's definitely been a process where I'll, like, progress and then I go back to my old ways because it's, it's easy and it's comfortable. Like, I, I know where my comfort level is. I know what my clothes feel like. That's also an indication as well. Right. You know, so you put muscle on. I mean, I have a pair of jeans on today that I'm like, these are kind of tight in the thighs. I'm like, they're some progress.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So it's, I'd like to see you reverse, at least get up to 2,000 calories.

[Justin Andrews]

At least. You should be able to, with your fitness level, your strength, how long you've been training, you should be able to comfortably eat 2,300 to 2,500 calories and, like, maintain the body you want. You, literally, you, you can. That is in front of you. If you trust this process, if you trust in our knowledge, our experience of what we've been doing. Someone like you, I could get up to 2,300 calories in that range and be content and. Which gives you all kinds of metabolic flexibility and what you get to choose and eat when you want to.

[Adam Schaefer]

More than that, just the freedom of not being chained to this low calorie, you know, this fear, Right. Like, imagine if you were eating 23 calories. You're like, oh, my God, I'm doing this and I feel okay. And it's not as scary as I thought. Like, imagine what a feeling of freedom that would produce in someone like yourself, who's kind of been chained to this for so long. I would like to see reverse. Do it slow if you want. That's fine. But slowly reverse yourself. Up, up, up. I'd like to see your fat go up. 60 grams is really low. You know, you probably. I would add a little bit of fat to your diet. I think that would make a difference in things like your joints, your hair, your skin, your hormones. But I'd like to see you go up to at least 2000 calories. Maps. Anabolic is great. I like maps. Power lift. I like strong. I like symmetry. Those are all great programs for someone like you. And then, you know, I don't know if you do any additional cardio or anything like that, or are you doing anything like that on top of everything?

[Jared]

Yeah. So my trigger session days, I do a walk in the morning, and then on the treadmill, I do a walk in the morning because that's when I do my reading time. And then in the night, in the evening, after dinner, I always do a half an hour walk as well. I do outdoor just to get my, like, that's good. Dump. I need my, you know, get rid of my day. Yeah, so those are great. I'm not doing any running anymore. I'm not doing any cycling. I'm not doing any of that anymore. I am strictly lifting and walking. That's it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, great.

[Justin Andrews]

How many you. You are you around 10,000 steps a day. Where are you at? You're probably there above, I would imagine.

[Jared]

Yeah, I'm 10,000 to 12,000. I actually got rid of my apple watch at the beginning of June because it was becoming another addiction. Like, every little thing was becoming such an addiction. And I had to literally just remove it all so that I could block out the noise and focus on how I felt my strength. I was at that time, too. I was feeling like every. Everything that I did was like another little injury. And I mean, little injury. I'm. I'm almost 50 years old. So, you know, you wake up with an ache and a pain and a whatever, and you're just like, whatever. I'm 50. But I hadn't had that. And so there was, like, little things. It was like my back would hurt, my lower back would hurt. Like, what the hell did I do to my back? Now I'm like, I did. All I did was work out yesterday. Yesterday with a weighted vest on me. So I just got rid of all the noise, and I just focused on how do I get stronger, how do I feel my optimal best, You Know, how do I avoid inflammation? All of these things versus what do I look like? What is the scale saying? This has been a process.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. No, slowly reverse. How? What's your, what's your experience when you eat? Do you enjoy it or is it like, this is fuel?

[Jared]

No, I, I, I love it, but I also love it for fuel as well.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay.

[Jared]

I mean, when I said I love to cook, I cook every one of my meals 99 of the time. I am a meal prepper. I'm a food prepper. I love the idea of taking something that is indulgent and amazing and so not great for you and turning into something that can be really delicious and healthy as well. It's like one of the things I've done for years. I do food prep for people all the time. Show them how simple it can be to actually be prepared. Because I do have such a long day. I mean, I get up at 4 o'clock in the morning and so if you're not prepared, you fail, typically.

[Adam Schaefer]

So when you have, you work with clients, right? You train, you, you train people and coach people. Here's this might help. Let them know what you're about to do. Tell them you're going to reverse diet yourself. Tell them, I'm going to stop testing my body fat. This is a struggle for me. It will make you a more effective coach and trainer, but they will also act as your coach and your trainer just through the accountability, Just the accountability alone. Like when I would communicate to my clients things that I use the podcast that way now, if you haven't noticed, I'll sell people on the show, you know, or my audience. I'm struggling with this thing, and it's really to make it real and to give me some accountability. Communicate with the clients, tell them what you're gonna do. Slowly reverse diet yourself up to 2,000 calories. I think you'll be, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm also a big fan too, of kind of making peace with the potential outcome that you think would scare you. For example, you already said that going to the 16. Was that like, I'm sure if I said, what about 21 body fat? That probably was, oh, my God, 21% body fat.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'm in the 20s.

[Justin Andrews]

But make, actually make peace with it in a sense of like, I'm gonna do an experiment. So this is how I would communicate something like this to my clients and people to hold myself accountable is I'm gonna do an experiment and I'm going to continue to reverse diet and allow Myself to go all the way into the 20 body fat percentage and see how I look and feel. Like intentionally going that direction. I'm going to keep going that, adding calories with the intent that I'm going to get over 20 body because I know I have the skills to come right back the other direction. But really what I'm doing is I'm making peace with that. I'm probably going to go that high, or I could go that high, but really wanting to go in that direction to see and assess how I feel and I have the skills and tools to go the other direction anytime I want.

[Jared]

Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, it's so funny. Beat that you say that because I told my husband in October when I wasn't going to step on the scale every day, he said, how long do you think you're, you're going to last? And I said, no, I'm going to do this for 90 days. I am not going to get on the damn skill, I swear. And then I told him I was going down to three days a week of training and he's like, I'll believe it when I see it. I have been with you for 20 years. No way. And I, I did it. And I, it was, it's a feat to do only three days a week, to actually focus lifting three days a week and the full body stuff and like, you know, never really done full body, always been upper body, you know, very traditional bodybuilding splits. And to do it is very different. You know, I went from being a runner when I started training to be a bikini competitor. I literally just cut off running because coach was like, you cannot run anymore. We have to build some muscle. And I did the same thing. Then I told him, I said, okay, I'm done running. He's like, yeah, right. I'll believe it when I see it. So for the last 90 days I have proven him wrong because I never want him to be right over me. But on top of it, you know, it's just been a journey for myself to take 90 days. 90 days is a long time for somebody who has always been so focused on just more, better, more, more, more, more, more when more is not always better.

[Adam Schaefer]

How does your husband feel about the changes in your, in your physique and all that stuff through that 90 day process? Has he said anything?

[Jared]

Oh, he definitely has, yeah. One of the things I think for him it's been he, what he's noticed more than just my physique changes is my, my, my mood because I'VE had to actually talk myself off the ledge, especially during the holidays. Like, my coping mechanism my entire life when things are stressful is to. Okay, well, when everything is super stressful, I'm just going to go to the gym another time today or I'm just going to go for an extra run or I'm going to get another lifting session in. So to go through the holidays and be with all of these people and be surround and not do that has. Was a huge blessing for him to be able to see, like, holy cow, you're actually really adhering to this program and you're not going to go overboard because you're stressed out. Because my, My stress mechanism is not to overeat. My stress mechanism is to over exercise. So I think for him it's been more than just a physique situation and change. It's been a while. Your, your attitude is changing and I, I see that. I know you want to go to the gym right now, but you're not going to. And he knows how hard that is for me.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's awesome.

[Justin Andrews]

Christine, we don't, we don't talk to about this publicly, but we're actually, and we have been for the last half a year or so building a, a trainer team underneath us here at Mind Pump and we're taking clients on. You obviously don't need it. From an education standpoint, I know you know what to do and are very aware, but if from an accountability piece, if that's something you want help with, like, like email us and let us know.

[Jared]

Yeah, I would love that. I mean, it's hard and it's funny because it started for me so young at 16, and you would think that by 50, all these changes I've made along the way, you know, you, you learn so many lessons, but it is so easy to slip back into old patterns because it is a control, but it's also comfort. There's a comfort and it's, it's also very interesting to, to think about the fact that controlling exercise and controlling what you put in your mouth is a comfort hurt. But Sal, you said it so perfectly and I never thought about it this way, that I actually am a slave to it. It's not that comfortable, but for some reason the chains are comfortable.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep. Yep. What's that syndrome when there's a Stockholm. Stockholm syndrome. Yep. So, all right, do you think you could go another 90 days? Can continue reversing? All right, I'm gonna have you back on.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm gonna, I'm gonna have. I'M gonna have Kyle and we'll have.

[Adam Schaefer]

Somebody reach out to you, one of our coaches, but I'm gonna have you back on. So we'll talk to you again in a few months.

[Justin Andrews]

We're going to do this and see how.

[Adam Schaefer]

See how everything's going.

[Jared]

All right, awesome. Obviously, you guys have my pictures, and I take my pictures every week, so you'll. Are we saying I'm not. Not photoing either?

[Justin Andrews]

You already have one right now. Let's photo in 90 days.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Justin Andrews]

Let's photo in 90 days.

[Jared]

I took my 20, 25 January. I took it last week.

[Justin Andrews]

Perfect.

[Jared]

And I'm like, all right, I'm starting anabolic. Let's see what's happening.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, perfect. Put that aside now. Let's go for 90 days and then we'll. We'll revisit.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep.

[Jared]

All right, awesome. Thank you guys so much for everything. You really are making some great changes in the world, I tell you. I can't even tell you the amount of people that I send your podcast to, so thank you for everything that you do. And I'll tell you this one last thing. The. The faith and the Christian background that you guys are not afraid to talk about in a live form like this makes me so proud to be a fellow Christian because it's very rare. You guys are real, you are raw, you are honest, you are true. But at the core of who you are, you're just beautiful Christian human beings, and I'm so grateful for that. So thank you.

[Adam Schaefer]

Thank you. Thank you, Christine.

[Justin Andrews]

Appreciate it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Appreciate you. God bless. Thank you.

[Jared]

Yeah. Thanks so much, guys. Take care.

[Adam Schaefer]

Bye. Bye.

[Justin Andrews]

Could you make sure that Kyle reaches out to her?

[Doug]

Already done.

[Adam Schaefer]

I can't. Yeah, I can't wait to see what happens. And I mean, she's. She's very self.

[Sal DiStefano]

So knowledgeable already.

[Adam Schaefer]

Very self aware of the challenge and the struggle. It's still hard. I struggle with this still to this day. And I get it. I totally get it. But if she does this and goes through it, she's going to feel so free and she'll see, I mean, the fruits.

[Justin Andrews]

She'll, yeah, win all the way across. She'll be able to eat more, she's going to look better, she's going to feel better, she'll be stronger, but it literally is. So I. When. Whenever I have, like this kind of mic, because we've all admitted body dysmorphia stuff, I mean, I think almost anybody who's into fitness at some point has struggled with some. Some form of it. And what always does or was worked well for me is literally making peace with the worst. Yeah, the worst. What's the worst thing that could happen? I could go up to 25 body fat. So what? I have the skills, the knowledge, the experience, the discipline to go right back. I've proven that. I've. For 30 years I've been this fit person. So, so don't be afraid of that, you know, and in fact maybe even embrace it as a trainer, as a, a thing that you're trying to showcase and show other people. It's like watch, I can add had 6% body fat and then I can go back down the other way. So make peace with what the scariest, worst outcome and be and go after it like that, hit it head on and then watch what unfolds because it ends up unfolding as you realize, oh, like I feel better, oh, I look better, oh, I'm stronger. And then you become more comfortable with that.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's funny, she mentioned the Christian thing too. I literally got that analogy from the, the faith about, you know, people make things that are not God their masters. And so I'm glad it resonated.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Austin from Michigan.

[Adam Schaefer]

Austin, what's up man?

[Sal DiStefano]

What's happening, Austin?

[Dwayne]

What's up guys? I'm very thankful to be on today. My question is, I think fairly simple. So I am a part time personal trainer and I have been doing this for four years. So I've been doing it for a little while. And I have a question about should I go back to school for correctional exercise or physical therapy or should I jump right into it and try to, you know, manage and find myself in that profession just by kind of doing it naturally?

[Justin Andrews]

Do you want to be a physical therapist or do you prefer, have you.

[Sal DiStefano]

Spent a lot of clinical time?

[Dwayne]

I have never done physical therapy in that setting. The closest thing I've gotten to doing that is correctional exercise in the gym setting, personal training. I've had a couple clients where they've had big surgeries, rotator cuff tears, you know, knee issues. And I have found that that is the thing that I think I enjoy the most. Teaching and giving people that information.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's great. So if you want to work in a clinical setting, a hospital, physical therapy is great. Okay. If you want to be a personal trainer, then there's lots of ways to learn. Like if you want to work in a gym setting, right. Or privately, I mean, you could be a private person, physical therapist too, but you know, privately, then there's lots of resources for Correctional exercise, by the way. Correctional exercise is so valuable for personal trainers. So if you just want to be a trainer, it's the most valuable skill you could possibly learn. It's more valuable than anything else. It'll apply to more people.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So do you know where you want to go? Do you want to stay kind of in this gym fitness setting or do you want to work in that kind of clinical hospital, you know, doctor setting?

[Justin Andrews]

And are you trying to figure that out?

[Dwayne]

That is part of what I'm trying to figure out. I have a very, I'd considered a small clientele. I'm only training like four or five people currently. But there is opportunity. It's, it's a further drive for me. I kind of live in the middle of nowhere, Michigan, so I'd have to drive, you know, 45 minutes an hour to get to kind of the. A bigger box gym setting like you guys describe and always recommend clients going or trainers go to to start training. So yeah, I, I would much prefer to work in the gym setting or like a private setting, I guess rather than in, in a physical therapy therapist setting or like a hospital setting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, well I got. We have some incredible resources for you that we can recommend. Maps Prime Pro, which I'll send you if you don't have, is going to give you some really, really good.

[Justin Andrews]

You have, you have prime and Prime Pro.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Dwayne]

So Aldo, frc I've taken quite.

[Sal DiStefano]

Eldo and FRC are different.

[Dwayne]

I've taken quite a few clients through your guys's Prime. I hope, I hope that you don't mind when. But I have literally done the exact.

[Justin Andrews]

The wall you should.

[Dwayne]

The windmill to actually thought that just those things have been more. More influential and more impactful in my career already than like any of the certifications I have.

[Adam Schaefer]

So Prime Pro, we'll send you that because that's another level. NESM's Correctional Exercise Certification is exceptional. I love it. And those two, those are two really, really good places to start. Justin mentioned frc, Aldoa. Also really, really good courses. And then lastly I think so you don't want to work in a hospital, you don't want to work in a physical therapy setting. You want to work in gyms or in that kind of environment. I think you would find tremendous value, however, in mentoring under a physical therapist. And a physical therapist can hire you. You get those certifications, you get those whatever. Go work for a physical therapist, offer your services for free and just say I'd like to do whatever just so I can watch and learn from You. I'm certified in frc. I have NASM Correctional Exercise. But I just would love to intern under you. That will, that right there will make you exceptionally good. Like, you'll be better than 90.

[Sal DiStefano]

Have a leg up on anybody. It's too bad you don't live in. In Illinois. I would have had a great place to recommend for you to do that. Condell Medical Center, I believe. But they had. It's set up so it's like attached to the hospital, but it's, it's. It has physical therapy, it has exercise physiology, it has like osteopaths, has like all of these, like sports doctors. They're all there at this gym collectively to work with patients and clients. Really cool setting, really unique. I don't know if they have anything like that in Michigan, but, you know, that would be something too. It might, Might fit you well in terms of like, your passion for that. So, you know, just, I, I agree with Solid. I think like a mentorship, if that's really the direction you're going, it's going to be invaluable for you to watch and shadow.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, you'll get so much from that. I will give you some personal insight on that. So my best friend and my roommate back in, when I was in my 20s, was a PTA, so he was a physical therapist assistant. I got to go to his clinic all the time and do stuff. And I remember going through the same phase as you where you're getting excited about correctional exercise. Remember right after I got my CES certification and realized quickly how different it was. And what that was is there is a. There's a big difference when you have people that are into fitness who get injured and you help them rehab versus people who went to the hospital, had surgery, prescription, and they get prescribed to go to. Very, very different. And what I mean by that, because I used to tell him like, how much I loved it and he's like, oh, bro, what you do is so different than what I do. I'm like, what are you talking about? We all, we talk about the same exercise. He's like, yeah, but the people are so different.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And there's. And it's a big. And what I love about what we get to do as trainers is you get motivated people to rehab. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

They're not reluctant. So true, Adam.

[Justin Andrews]

And in the, in the clinical setting, it's very different. Depressing sometimes it's sad. That's why he's not. He was not motivated about an. Excited. Like I was. I was like, really don't you love? He's like, dude, it's not the same. He's like, there's no buy in. Yeah, these people are here because they got prescribed by their doctor to come here and getting them to do anything at it adhered anything is like so tough. He goes, you get people that are used to working out and exercising that get injured, that are highly motivated to get back and your knowledge to accelerate that excites them about that very, very different. So just a little insight on someone who's kind of going back and forth because I at one point wanted to be a physical therapist too. Yeah, that was one of the, I.

[Sal DiStefano]

Was bored with the clinical setting.

[Justin Andrews]

That was one of the tipping points that actually made me decide, oh, I'm gonna stay with being a personal trainer was because I, I realized that because I, I enjoyed that also and went, oh, that is a big difference.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's, that's. The three of us all have that in common. All of us at one point want to be physical therapists. I tell you, if you get nasm, Correctional Exercise Specialist, if you get that, go find a physical therapist you could work under. Do it for free if you have to. That will make you. So after a couple years of doing that, you'll be so much better than 99.9% of the personal trainers out there. It'll make you extremely valuable. Most of what I know about correctional exercise did not come from certifications. They taught me a lot. I'm not going to say they didn't learn anything from them, but most of what I know was because I had an exceptional physical therapist that worked in my studio and I was around her for nine years and I watched her and I didn't even intern under her, she worked under me, but I watched her and listened to what she. And I learned so much just from that right there. So that's the biggest. That right there is the best piece of advice I could give you.

[Justin Andrews]

You also need to be in our course, Austin, if you're not.

[Dwayne]

Yeah, I actually just recently picked up a full time 40 hour week warehouse job around home just to be able to, you know, hopefully put that money into my future. So that's part of why I'm doing what I'm doing right now. And your guys's course is definitely something that I fully intend on taking. I just haven't had the funds to do it yet. But that was mainly what I wanted to ask because I felt like going that direction was also a lot cheaper than going back to school for assistant physical therapy. Or physical therapist.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. It's way. It's way less. I mean, again, if you want to.

[Sal DiStefano]

Work money a lot sooner.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. And, yeah, I mean, you could do. The sky's the limit when you work as a trainer. Physical therapy is obviously a great career.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

If you want to work in a hospital setting, that's great. But if you love the gym, then, yeah, you don't need to do that.

[Dwayne]

Awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it, guys.

[Christine]

I.

[Dwayne]

You know, the. The one thing that I mainly wanted to hear, and I figured you guys were going to say that because you had a caller on, I think, about a month ago that asked a very similar question about going back to school or going into personal training and just getting certificate certifications, and you guys pretty much told him the same thing. So I just. I needed to hear it from you guys, and I do feel like that that's great advice, so I very much appreciate it. I want to also thank you guys for, you know, you've pushed me to get married at a younger age. I'm 25. I'm married already, and I can't wait to have. Have kids. Like, I never, never thought I would have been that person growing up and now listening to you guys every day and. And hearing your stories, you know, it doesn't seem easy, but it seems very much worth it. So that. I appreciate that.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's so great. It's a journey, but God bless you. That's so good. Good. I'm glad to hear a young man like you making decision like that. That's great. Awesome.

[Justin Andrews]

All right.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right.

[Sal DiStefano]

Thank you.

[Dwayne]

Yeah, you guys, too. Thank you very much.

[Justin Andrews]

Sending him Prime Pro, right, Doug?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep, Prime Pro.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, also send him the link to the webinar tonight, because he should be on that, too.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, it's funny is all the three of us all have that in common. Exactly. We all went to that path, and then we all decided, I don't like that clinical setting. I mean, if you like it, it's a great career.

[Sal DiStefano]

Oh, it's super.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's in demand. It's going to continue to be in demand.

[Sal DiStefano]

Very effective.

[Justin Andrews]

It's just, yeah, you can make good money. Good, consistent money. Yeah, you can do well your way up. I mean, that was a big turning point for me. That's why it was an interesting thing to talk about, because I clearly remember that day when my. My best friend and I had that conversation.

[Sal DiStefano]

Makes so much sense.

[Justin Andrews]

And it was so enlightening. I was like, oh, my God, I never thought of it like that.

[Adam Schaefer]

The physical therapist that I had that worked in my studio left the hospital. She had a stable job at the hospital left because of that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So she was private in my studio because she's like, I want to work for people, work with people who want.

[Justin Andrews]

To work with me. And it was so great to get that experience and hear that insight, because I know when you think of, like, the clients that you love to trade and the ones you didn't, the ones you never liked training, were the ones that were not motivated to even be there. And imagine if most of your clientele is that a majority. Wow.

[Adam Schaefer]

You ever get a client?

[Justin Andrews]

That would be really discouraging.

[Adam Schaefer]

You ever have a client, their insurance bot personal training, and you train them? Yeah.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Or like a mom or a dad bought it for someone as a gift, or someone's like, yeah, those are the worst clients because they. They have no desire to really be there. They're there because they think they have to to be there. And that's just not. Not as inspiring. And that's not me to. I know that profession's amazing, and there's probably somebody who loves it, and maybe that's great. That's great. But that was definitely enlightening for me when I went through that.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Dwayne from Ohio.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dwayne, what's happening, man?

[H]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Justin Andrews]

How you doing?

[H]

So honored to be here with you guys.

[Adam Schaefer]

Thank you. How can we help you?

[H]

I just kind of read my question. In 2017, I started listening to you guys, and honestly, it absolutely changed my life. I struggled most of my life with health issues when it comes to dieting. Yo, yo. Dieting. Eating disorders. When I finally started listening to you guys, really getting to the gym and kind of knowing what I was doing and lifting weights, it changed everything. And I had a great transformation. I've kept that on the whole time. A passion for fitness. And so I kind of wanted to get certified. At this time, I'm working at a church. I get certified in 2019, right before all the gyms shut down, actually got hired as a personal trainer. Then all the gyms shut down before I even got to train anybody. So that was fun. But in 2021, my family and I started a small church just on our own. And so in the process that I lost my income, because that was, for the most of my adult life, where my income came from. And so since. Since I did that, I tried to figure out what is the next best thing I could do. I tried being a gym teacher for A year? Yeah. I found out that was not for me. And then right after that, I kind of went through this whole process of how can I transform people in a different way? And so my experience with fitness has transformed my life so much. So right after that, I got, I got certified. I started. I got hired as a personal trainer, actually a nutrition person, kind of with a meal replacement at a gym in Cincinnati. And then I went from there to a fitness manager. And then even though I was getting salary there, I kind of stepped back and went as a personal trainer and a physical therapy rehab assistant because the, the rehab guy at the time asked if I'd be his assistant. And so then to make some extra money, I started teaching fitness classes there. And I kind of loved the idea of that because it was kind of guaranteed money. And so I started teaching more of those. Fast forward to today. I'm working at a boot camp. I know I'm working at a boot camp place as a coach and a client coordinator. And I love the clients. I love the idea of they focus on strength days. However, I know at the end of the day, it's a high intensity training. It's not strength training, which is my passion. And I know that's where you guys talk about where the real strength comes in. So I say all that to say this. I'm desiring to start something new. It's 2025. It's a brand new year. I've had a desire to start something new, to create my own thing. Personal training is my passion. And I also like the freedom to have my own schedule, especially with all the ministry stuff that I want to do. And so I guess my question to you guys is, how do I make that shift? I'm 44, so I'm no spring chicken. I definitely have imposter syndrome. It took me seven years to start a church. My wife was telling me for seven years to do this and I kept putting it off because I guess I didn't have the confidence in myself. So I'm not fast to make those big moves. But all in all, I trust you guys. I love listening to you guys. You guys have proven that you know what you're talking about. And so I just kind of wanted to get some feedback and opinions. I would love to someday have a whole body health business. I have an LLC right now called Mind, Body and Soul Health. And so I guess, yeah, I'm just trying to get some feedback from you guys to see at my age, is that something that's worth pursuing. I have a wife Who's a teacher. She does make salary. We're not rich by any means. So she makes fun of me because every time I take a new job, I take a pay cut. So I knew this would be a hard work, it'd be a pay cut. But I guess I'm trying to get, is it better just to work at a big box gym, should I try to start my own thing, etc.

[Justin Andrews]

Why did you leave the fitness manager spot? That was a salary job, working for a gym. Why'd you leave that?

[H]

Well, when I left the job itself, I was not able to do any fitness at all, and so I actually stayed there. But I went to personal training at the time. So I was just training. Instead of getting salaries, they're taking half the payment. They would kind of feed me some clients. I liked the clients, but the environment itself wasn't very healthy from management.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, I got to say, it's so interesting that you're just. The way you're communicating, your history and what you want to do, you know, as you know, you listen to the show. I'm a new Christian. And one of the things that I noticed about the church and what has been communicated to me by my friends who work in the church, the pastors, the worship leaders, all that is just how much fitness and health needs to be communicated effectively to other Christians, how much they struggle with things like obesity, inactivity, eating, you know, foods that aren't good for them, et cetera. I think there's a huge market need. I think there's a huge need in the Christian community for somebody who can communicate health and fitness to those individuals through. Well, either through scripture or through grace and in the way that it should be communicated. In fact, it's very similar to the way we've been communicating it for a long time. I'm reminded of 1 Corinthians 6, 19, 20. Do not. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own. You were bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your bodies. I think in your space, in with what you're doing, I think you could train people with that in combination with that, combine your two passions and be incredibly effective. It is. There's a huge need in the, in the. In that community for. I see it. I see it so much.

[Sal DiStefano]

It's always been there.

[Adam Schaefer]

And they, they. They're coming to me and saying, hey, can you come speak to our worship team? Can you come talk to some of Our staff members and they have a huge need for it. And I think they're very receptive. I think they're more receptive because they understand the value of their bodies, that it's not their own. I think, I think you can be very effective in that. I think there's a huge. You're. You're being presented an incredible opportunity, in my opinion. So I think that's where I would start. Now, from a business perspective, we have a course that I think would help you build that, build that through understanding marketing, understanding how to present presentation, and how to be an effective coach. The other thing I'll say is you're doing these classes, these bootcamp classes. We're not big fans of classes from a fitness effectiveness standpoint, but there are incredible ways to get personal training clients. When you teaching a class, it's a very low barrier to enter, low cost way for people to get introduced to fitness. And then from there you can pull people to hire you one on one. In fact, that's the one way that I recommend trainers and coaches use classes. It's like I don't like them for fitness, but I love them to get new clients to be able to do what's most effective, which is one on one. So there's just, just my thoughts right out the gates. As you were talking, I was thinking there's a huge opportunity here. If you, if you already have a community and you're through your ministry, I bet there's a need there for someone like you who can communicate fitness, who's also a Christian.

[Justin Andrews]

Dwayne, of all the things you listed, which one have you done the longest and how long? Was it.

[H]

In the church realm or just in general?

[Justin Andrews]

No, no, in. In the fitness world, we're talking business. We're talking about you in fitness and making money in business. How? Which one? Because you need a bunch of different things that you've done, right? Which one have you done the longest and how long was that?

[H]

So personal training would be the longest. And honestly, one on one clients, it's only been about two years.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I think one of the things you need to do for yourself is to stick with one of the things that you do and see it out a lot further than two or three years. Takes a long time to be very successful at anything. Very few people especially move to a new position, a new job, a new thing, and right away see incredible financial success from it. I think everything that you've listed, I could have found a way to make really good money doing all of them. But you can't do that if you don't stick in it longer than two or three years. I mean, the first two or three years is getting your. Getting your ground, ramping up, figuring out what you're doing. Like, you're not going to be good till, like, 5. You're not gonna be great till 7 to 10. I mean, to me, that's what I hear when I hear all the stuff that you're. You're rattling off and in pursuit of, you know, finding maybe your passion, your love is like, well, stick to something to find out if you really love it long enough. It sounds like you kind of bounce from thing to thing or the next idea. And I don't know if that's what your wife would say to you or not, but that's what I. I'm reading or hearing from you when I hear all the things that you've done in such a short period of time.

[H]

Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's good feedback. And I do love the idea of. I have this. I have this vision someday of having a. Some kind of a church service with barbells in the background. So I like the idea of what you're talking about, Sal. So, like, that hits home, too. But, yeah, I appreciate the feedback. I think I just. I kind of need to hear from you guys because I just need somebody to push me.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, that makes sense. But I'm gonna be the tough love one and tell you to. Because here's what's cool is like, any one of those things. Like, so let's say the desired outcome is literally the vision you just sent. I love that. I think that's awesome. You could still have obtained that by becoming great at any one of the things that you did right. Like that will. You becoming the best boot camp coach, teacher in the. In your state will open the door for you to have the church with all the barbells behind it. You becoming the best fitness manager in the region will open the door for you to become that. Own your own church with your own barbell. Like, if that's the vision and the goal, the you don't. It doesn't need to be so aligned where you start getting barbells behind a church and trying to grow, like a business around that. No. Go become great at whatever it is that you're doing and stick with that until you become great. It'll open the door for the thing that you really want to do deep down, but you got to obtain that first. If you keep bouncing from Thing to thing. You never give yourself the opportunity to become great at that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Are you, are you, are you attending our free webinars, Dwayne, on. On training and coaching?

[H]

Yes, and I am. I'm also in the trainer course.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, good.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, good.

[Adam Schaefer]

Perfect, good. Perfect. All right. And so you must be in our forum so you can communicate there through us through this process. What Adam's saying is 100%, 100% stick with something and then things will reveal themselves to you. As it grows, things will start to reveal themselves. But I really do stand behind what I said. I think the Christian community, there's a huge need for really good, appropriate, proper Christian based fitness and nutrition help. There's a massive need and I don't know anybody who's done it. Well.

[Justin Andrews]

All right.

[H]

Okay. Well, thank you guys so much. I appreciate it. I. I appreciate the tough love. That's one of the reasons I love you guys.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[H]

Thank you very much.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it, man. Thanks, brother.

[Sal DiStefano]

See you.

[Adam Schaefer]

You don't want to hear what you said.

[Justin Andrews]

I didn't want to be the turd to punch bowl there, but I mean.

[Sal DiStefano]

I mean, I was smelling that the whole time too.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, that's, that's true.

[Justin Andrews]

It is true.

[Adam Schaefer]

Regardless.

[Justin Andrews]

It is true. Listen, no matter what, the four of us didn't land in this dream job, dream position, doing as well as we've all done because we all sat decided at the same time, oh, podcasting would be a great. No, we went and pursued being excellent at a craft or something and that, and, and that is what led all of this to happen.

[Adam Schaefer]

Even when we did this, when we did our, our reunion episode, it dawned on me that we did this for like two years before we ever really made this. Our, this was our thing.

[Sal DiStefano]

This was in our career.

[Adam Schaefer]

This was two years of us doing it on the side.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, and that's after being in fitness for almost two years.

[Justin Andrews]

And then by year three, it's like, oh, we can, we can kind of feed ourselves. We wouldn't be considered great at it till five plus years. So to me, it's just like I hear when passionate health fitness people and they're trying all these things and they're in pursuit of something, something that's going to like this light switch to go off and be like, oh, this is it. This is my passion. Meanwhile, never sticking or doing anything long enough to become great at it. It's like those doors aren't going to open until you do that. And, and he, if he would have become the greatest at Any one of those, like, positions, it would be obvious.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

That vision or a better vision would happen. So stick with that, brother.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Jared from North Carolina.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's up, Jared?

[Justin Andrews]

An attic.

[Christine]

Hey, guys. How are you? Crazy way to start off, 2025.

[Adam Schaefer]

How can we help you?

[Christine]

Oh, well, I'll just get into my situation real quick. Basically, I was 33 years old about a year and a half ago, and I got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which I found a little interesting given my age and the condition and the health that I was, that I was already in. It kind of blindsided me. I was a pretty healthy individual. I always played sports growing up. Pretty athletic guy. I was actually living in Mexico at the time, working in the mission field as a missionary, leading sports camps, building houses, working with schools, teaching English, really enjoying life, and came home to visit family. And they noticed that I had really lost a significant amount of weight, which I myself kind of had. Had noticed, but I hadn't really thought much about it. Was just kind of pushing it to the side, thinking, doing a lot of physical work, eating a lot of not the most nutritious food, doing a lot of physical labor, just, you know, really thinning out a little bit. But was actually hospitalized for about a week or so, and they did a bunch of tests and told me I had type 1 diabetes. I had lost about 45 pounds. I developed something called peripheral neuropathy, also accompanied with bilateral foot drops. So essentially, my feet would drag as I walked. I was using artificial orthotics for a while, used a walker, did some physical therapy, and I started experiencing a lot of pain, especially in the evening, from the neuropathy. And I was on some painkillers for a while, some. Some prescription medication, which I wasn't really a big fan of. And that's when I looked into CBD and started using cbd. And that was, I think, about a month ago or so, I heard a podcast with you guys talking about the effects of CBD and blood sugar. And that really sparked an interest with me because I had noticed shortly after starting using the cbd, I was getting a lot of low blood sugars, which are really not a good time. It's.

[Sal DiStefano]

It's.

[Christine]

It's just you get really dizzy, you get really faint, you get really weak. And I wasn't sure what was going on. But I hearing that podcast and realizing that maybe CBD has an effect on blood sugars, I realized maybe I was giving myself too much insulin, which I have to do four to five times daily. Now, and so my question is, have you guys heard any more research or do you know anything more about the effects of CBD on. On glucose? I've recently stopped using CBD just because the expense of it here in North Carolina, it's not as easily accessible. And the stuff that is accessible is rather expensive. And so I haven't been using it as much. And I have noticed that my blood sugar levels haven't been as stable or as low as they had been while using it. So I'm just wondering if there's been any more research that's come out about it. My last A1C, when I was using a two month supply of the CBD that I had had gotten down to a 6.1, which I was really proud of. Now I think it's closer to a seven. And so I have noticed significant differences in blood sugar levels and my A1C level when using a CBD, which I started initially using only for pain. But if it can help with my. With my blood sugar levels and my A1C getting lower, I would like to continue.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, so there's a lot to unpack here. And this is. I'm gonna go. Remember, I'm. I'm a trainer. Okay. So I'm gonna be speaking based off the stuff that I've read and what I understand from either people we've interviewed or my own research, I. Two things. First, I'll start here. Have they ruled out any auto. Any. Any known autoimmune conditions? You know, developing type 1 diabetes at 33, you know, that would make me think, okay, your, your immune system attacked your pancreas or some kind of autoimmune issue. Did they roll everything out like Ms. Or anything else?

[Christine]

To my knowledge, they. They have. They did a pretty extensive amount of testing. Mississippi specifically did not come up. I don't believe.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay.

[Christine]

But they looked into a few different things, did a few different scans, and nothing else came up. And that was. The official diagnosis, was type 1 diabetes. So.

[Adam Schaefer]

So I'm assuming you did an MRI on the, on the, on the, on the brain and, and the spine, too. Correct?

[Christine]

They did not do an mri? No.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. I would ask just to, to look and see if there's any, Any signs of any autoimmune issues, common ones.

[Justin Andrews]

Doesn't there have to be so someone this young that fit to get diagnosed with something?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but they might not be able to find it. But I would do that, especially with the peripheral neuropathy, the foot drop. I would look, I would request testing for autoimmune conditions that affect the central nervous system to look for anything like lesions or anything like that, that potential. So I would look there. Okay. Now, in regards to cannabinoids, they are being currently researched for their insulin sensitizing effects. CBD in particular, and other cannabinoids are being studied as maybe therapies for people with diabetes. There's also interesting data that shows that people who use cannabinoids regularly tend to be leaner than people who don't, and they don't quite know why. But the speculation is that again, it may have some insulin sensitizing effects. And then lastly, cannabinoids seem to have an immune immunomodulating effect. So this is why they tend to be popular with people with autoimmune disorders, because it tends to provide relief for people with autoimmune issues because it's, it'll dampen down whatever the autoimmune issue is. So those are just some leads that I'm giving you that I would look into, but I would definitely get tested for autoimmune issues. And then you could look up cannabinoids and autoimmune conditions. You can also look up cannabinoids and insulin sensitivity, and then you'll be able to find lots of studies on that. But I do know that there's some pharmaceutical companies right now who are in trials looking at cannabinoids as potential treatments for diabetes.

[Christine]

Okay. In all transparency, just because I have, I haven't been able to have access to the CBD that I was using, I've started using cannabis, just regular, good old cannabis. And I know I have noticed a little bit of effect with that question about that though. Is that, is that impacting my gains at all? Is that impacting.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's a good question.

[Christine]

Strength training?

[Adam Schaefer]

No, no, no. So that's a great question. So, okay, here's, here's why I don't like cannabis over a cannabinoid like cbd. You can use a very high dose of CBD and not get high. And so it's not gonna affect your, your mental state. THC over time can cause issues with your mental state. Things like anxiety, paranoia, loss of motivation. It's all very well established. But THC also has immunomodulating effects and insulin sensitizing effects. All the cannabinoids seem to have this effect. But I like the non psychoactive ones because they're not psychoactive. So now if you have a dispensary, I don't know what the laws are there you can sometimes find cannabis that is low thc, high cbd, cannabis, and you can make your own tinctures, your own butters, or you could just, you know, smoke it, which is my least favorite way of, you know, that I would say I would recommend it.

[Justin Andrews]

Strains like Harlequin.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, like those old, you know, so, you know, that's another thing you could look at. But, yeah, look at the studies and data on this. But definitely go and request testing. Have them see if they'll do an MRI and ask them specifically, I'd like to get tested for autoimmune issues. And if they're like, like what? Just name a couple, Mississippi. Why? Well, here's my symptoms. I'd like to get an MRI on my. On my brain and my spine, just to rule it out. Because it is interesting that you, you know, you didn't become type two, became type one, which tells me that your. Your body attacked, you know, your. Your ability to produce insulin, which is.

[Christine]

Exactly what one of the specialists that I saw here in. In North Carolina said. He said it's almost as if something just attacked your pancreas and it was poisoned.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right.

[Christine]

And this was about a year and a half ago, and it. It has, you know, praise God, slowly started to get better. I have been able to get a lot of my mobility back. Not 100%.

[Adam Schaefer]

Jared, you're also. You're also sparking something else in me. I was. I think you should get tested for heavy metal toxins and toxins in general. I know you were in a mission, so you were working somewhere else. You might have been exposed to a toxin. Heavy metal toxicity or environmental toxicities can sometimes or oftentimes present as autoimmune issues and tar, and they can attack different organs of the body. So you. And the reason why you might be slowly getting better might be you're slowly getting rid of a talk. And heavy metal toxicity tests are. Are pretty easy to do.

[Justin Andrews]

Don't you think it'd probably be a good idea for him to go through, like, Cabral and his team?

[Adam Schaefer]

Cabral would.

[Justin Andrews]

I just feel like that if you don't have a lot of great resources, the fact that these people didn't send you to do some of the things we're telling you already. I think if you were communicating to our friends, Dr. Cabral and their team, I think they would be definitely checking.

[Sal DiStefano]

All the functional medicine specialists, and you.

[Adam Schaefer]

Can go online, Jared, and look up symptoms of heavy metal toxicity and. Or can environmental toxins attack the pancreas or type 1 diabetes due to environmental toxins. Like Google all of that and see what you find, because it is strange. And it tells me either you had an infection, a virus could do it as well, or some kind of a toxicity or some autoimmune issue that developed, which the root cause, you know, would be oftentimes a mystery, but sometimes we can find out what happened there as well.

[Christine]

Okay, is that Dr. Stephen Cabral that you guys have referenced? Yes, yes, a few times on the podcast.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right. Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, we have a free. A free. A free forum with their team. It's called MP Holistic Health on Facebook. So you can go in there and. And communicate and you can already start asking questions if anybody else knows anything about it. And then more than likely, they'll probably try and set up a consultation with you. But, I mean, that's the direction I'd be sending you.

[Christine]

Okay. Oh, awesome. Thank you guys for the recommendation. One more quick thing, if you guys have the time for it, go ahead. Well, what would you recommend? Given my. My mobility is probably going from someone being fairly athletic, fairly active, it's probably about. I'd say about 70, 75% of what it used to be. What program or style of training would you recommend to maybe improve that? Just as far as being able to run a game of basketball or. Or do some hill sprints or something like that, that I would love to be able to get back to being able to do but don't have the ability to. To perform right now.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, mass 15 performance.

[Sal DiStefano]

Exactly.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, we'll send that to you. Mass 15 performance.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, send it over to you, Jared.

[Sal DiStefano]

Be perfect dose.

[Christine]

Yep, we got you 15 performance, Doug. All right, well, thank you guys so much. Long time listener of the show. Love everything you guys are doing. And yeah, you guys got me through physical therapy because that's going from someone who enjoys to get after it in the gym and having to do months of physical therapy. Pretty boring. So lots of podcasts.

[Adam Schaefer]

Listen, I hope you find the root cause of what's going on.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I'd love to hear back.

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, report back.

[Justin Andrews]

I'd love to. Especially if you go through Cabral and start talking to them. I'd love to hear back from you in a couple months.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep. And by the way, you know, you know, being exposed to environmental toxins in. In some of these places that missions are done is not uncommon because they don't tend to have the same regulations when, you know, with dumping chemicals or with manufacturing or, you know, when they build or something. So. So sometimes people come back and it's like, oh, my God, you have lead. Or, you know, or. Or, you know, something else. So, you know, take a look at all that stuff.

[Christine]

Okay, I definitely will. Thank you guys for the. For the advice.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it, man.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, Jared.

[Adam Schaefer]

Thank you. That's a.

[Justin Andrews]

That's above my pay grade. That's rare. I don't know if I've ever trained somebody.

[Sal DiStefano]

First of all, 30s, type one done is, you know, to get it late.

[Adam Schaefer]

Frustrating. Yes. Because it could also be Doug emailing this. It could also be undiagnosed. What's it called? The gluten celiac. Oh, that could also cause type 1 diabetes. When you don't know. You could attack your pancreas.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it screams autoimmune to me.

[Adam Schaefer]

It does, but. But what makes me upset is if it's accurate what he said and they didn't do an MRI on his brain and his spine.

[Justin Andrews]

What the.

[Adam Schaefer]

Loud.

[Justin Andrews]

What the.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then heavy metal testing and toxicity testing. Because a lot of those symptoms, a lot of those symptoms could be, you know, literally something like that. And then you find it. It's like, oh, let's just. Let's just detox you.

[Sal DiStefano]

Well, I know, like half of it. If you travel anywhere, they test you too for parasites.

[Adam Schaefer]

Parasites?

[Sal DiStefano]

Yeah, metals and all that. So that's just like part of the protocol.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right. Look, if you love our show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at mind pump DiStefano. And Adam is at Mind Pump Atom.

[Doug]

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[Dwayne]

Today.