2523: Instead of Trying to Lose Weight, Do THIS (Listener Coaching)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth – Episode 2523: Instead of Trying to Lose Weight, Do THIS (Listener Coaching)

Release Date: January 31, 2025
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews
Produced by: Doug Egge

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Introduction

In Episode 2523 of Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth, hosts Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, and Justin Andrews dive deep into listener coaching, addressing real-life fitness challenges and providing science-backed strategies for sustainable health and weight management. Skipping the promotional segments, the episode centers around listener questions with a strong emphasis on building muscle to enhance metabolism and facilitate effective fat loss.

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Listener Question: Sustainable Weight Loss Strategies ([60:50] - [70:02])

Question: Instead of trying to lose 20 pounds in 30 days, what realistic and sustainable approach should one take?

Adam Schafer:
"Trying to lose 20 pounds in 30 days is a failing strategy. It’s not sustainable because a significant portion of that weight loss will be muscle, which you cannot maintain. Instead, focus on building muscle first."

Key Points:

1. Unsustainable Rapid Weight Loss:

   • Extreme calorie restriction and excessive cardio can lead to muscle loss.
   • Such methods often result in a frail and weak version of oneself, making long-term maintenance difficult.

2. Building Muscle for Sustainable Fat Loss:

   • Gain 5 Pounds of Muscle: Enhances metabolism, improves hormone profiles, and increases insulin sensitivity.
   • Hormonal Benefits: Increased androgen receptor density makes testosterone more effective, benefiting both men and women by promoting leanness, strength, and energy.
   • Metabolic Boost: Strength training and adequate protein intake can raise metabolism by 300-400 calories daily, equivalent to an additional 45 minutes of cardio.

3. Case Study:

   • A college athlete increased her caloric intake from 1,800 to 3,000 per day, gaining four pounds of muscle and losing one pound of body fat. Her metabolism surged by 1,200 calories, highlighting the effectiveness of muscle gain over mere fat loss.

Notable Quote:

"Gaining five pounds of muscle has a much more positive impact on your hormone profile than just trying to lose a bunch of weight really fast."
— Adam Schafer ([06:38])

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Muscle Quality and Health Risks ([19:23] - [28:00])

Adam Schafer:
"Muscle quality is crucial. It's not just about how much muscle you have, but the strength and functionality of that muscle."

Key Points:

1. European Society of Cardiology Study:

   • Intermuscular Fat: Pockets of fat within muscles increase the risk of heart disease, regardless of BMI.
   • Muscle Quality: Healthy, strong muscles are more protective against diseases compared to mere muscle mass.

2. Strength vs. Body Fat Percentage:

   • A stronger individual with higher body fat can be healthier than a weaker individual with lower body fat.
   • Example: A woman at 30% body fat with strength training is healthier than a frail woman at 15% body fat.

3. Impact on Longevity and Health:

   • Grip Strength: A strong predictor of all-cause mortality.
   • Lean Body Mass: Enhances the body’s ability to handle caloric intake, promoting metabolic flexibility and long-term health.

Notable Quote:

"A woman who is strong at 30% body fat is going to be healthier than a woman that's at 15% body fat, that's frail."
— Adam Schafer ([21:35])

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Mental Health and Adaptability ([29:00] - [40:00])

Discussion Highlights:

1. Adaptability as a Predictor of Mental Health:

   • Individuals struggling with mental health issues often exhibit inflexibility and difficulty adapting to changes.
   • Impact of Societal Changes: Rapid political and social shifts exacerbate mental health challenges by testing individuals' adaptability.

2. Parenting and Mental Well-being:

   • Balancing Discipline and Affection: Establishing boundaries is essential for children to feel cared for and safe.
   • Love Languages: Understanding different love languages can enhance familial relationships and emotional connections.

3. Personal Reflections:

   • Hosts share personal experiences regarding parenting, emphasizing the importance of consistent effort and open communication to foster healthy relationships with their children.

Notable Quote:

"When your kids feel contained by you, they feel cared for and safe. It's actually called neglect when you don't give your kids boundaries."
— Adam Schafer ([33:55])

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Dietary Strategies for Couples with Opposite Fitness Goals ([60:50] - [70:02])

Question: What dietary strategies can help a couple where one partner wants to bulk and the other wants to lean out?

Advice:

1. Shared Whole Foods:

   • Both partners consume the same nutritious foods but adjust portion sizes based on their individual goals.
   • Example: One person eats larger portions to support bulking, while the other reduces portion sizes to aid in cutting.

2. Portion Control and Meal Prepping:

   • Preparing meals together ensures both partners have access to the same healthy foods, simplifying adherence to their respective dietary plans.
   • Flexibility: The bulking partner can add additional meals or snacks to increase caloric intake without affecting the dieting partner.

Notable Quote:

"You could both literally follow the same maps program. You could both literally eat the same dinners, lunches, and breakfast. Just one of you is a smaller portion."
— Justin Andrews ([61:18])

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Motivating a Partner to Adopt Healthier Habits ([70:00] - [80:00])

Question: How can one encourage their husband to be more active and eat healthier without causing rebellion, especially when planning to have a baby?

Advice:

1. Lead by Example:

   • Demonstrating healthy behaviors can inspire partners to follow suit without feeling patronized.
   • Invitation Over Instruction: Inviting the partner to join in activities like hiking or cooking healthy meals fosters collaboration.

2. Avoid Nagging or Criticism:

   • Negative reinforcement can lead to resistance. Instead, focus on positive reinforcement and shared activities.

3. Consistency and Support:

   • Maintaining a healthy lifestyle independently can create a supportive environment that encourages mutual growth.

Notable Quote:

"The best strategy I’ve ever seen is to be the example and invite them to do the things that you’re doing."
— Adam Schafer ([63:21])

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Handling Difficult Clients ([80:00] - [90:00])

Question: How do you deal with a client you genuinely can't stand but need to keep for scheduling purposes?

Advice:

1. Maintain Professional Boundaries:

   • Set clear boundaries to prevent disrespectful behavior.
   • Self-Reflection: Often, challenging clients reflect areas for personal growth in trainers.

2. Adaptability:

   • Learn to adjust communication styles to better connect with diverse personalities.
   • Reframing: View difficult clients as opportunities to enhance interpersonal skills and professional resilience.

3. Focus on the Purpose:

   • Remember the primary goal is to help the client achieve their health and fitness objectives, regardless of personal feelings.

Notable Quote:

"You're a trainer, okay? You have to learn how to be around a lot of different people. It builds character."
— Adam Schafer ([69:02])

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Promoting MAPS Programs ([76:00] - [80:00])

Discussion Highlights:

1. MAPS Anabolic Advanced:

   • Designed for individuals with prior training experience seeking significant muscle gain.
   • Not typically recommended for beginners or those struggling with overtraining.

2. Tailored Recommendations:

   • The hosts emphasize matching the right program to the individual's current fitness level and goals to maximize effectiveness.

Notable Quote:

"Maps Anabolic Advanced is more appropriate if you have experience, you're healthy, you've been training for a little while, and you want to build like the most muscle and strength."
— Adam Schafer ([76:51])

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Closing Remarks

In this episode, Mind Pump effectively addresses common fitness dilemmas with practical, science-based solutions. The hosts advocate for muscle-building as a foundational strategy for sustainable weight loss and overall health, emphasizing the importance of strength training over excessive cardio and restrictive dieting. They also delve into the psychological aspects of fitness and relationships, providing holistic advice that extends beyond physical training.

Key Takeaways:

• Sustainable Weight Loss: Prioritize building muscle to enhance metabolism and support long-term fat loss.
• Muscle Quality Over Quantity: Focus on the functionality and strength of muscles for better health outcomes.
• Lead by Example in Relationships: Demonstrate healthy habits to inspire partners without imposing.
• Professionalism with Clients: Adapt and maintain boundaries to handle challenging clients effectively.
• Customized Fitness Programs: Choose fitness programs that align with individual experience and goals for optimal results.

Notable Closing Quote:

"If you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five-star rating and review on iTunes and by introducing Mind Pump to your friends and family."
— Doug Egge ([80:43])

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For more insights and expert training programs, visit mindpumppodcast.com and follow the hosts on Instagram: @mindpumpmedia, @mindpumpsal, @mindpumpadam, @mindpumpjustin, and @mindpumpdoug.

Transcript

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[Adam Schafer]

You just found the most downloaded fitness, entertainment and good time podcast in the world. That's us here at Mind Pump. Check this out. Today's episode we answered listeners questions. So people actually wrote some questions in about fitness and we got to answer them. But this was after the intro. Today's intro was 57 minutes long. In the intro we talk about current events, science, fitness facts and family life. It's awesome. By the way, if you want to write in a question that we can Pick go to Instagram mindpumpmedia Now. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Element. This is electrolyte powder. No artificial sweeteners, no sugar. You add your water, it has enough sodium to really make a difference. Check them out. Go to drinklmnt.com mindpump you'll get a free sample pack with any drink mix purchase. This episode is also brought to you by Organifi. They make organic supplements for health, performance, fat loss and muscle building. By the way, right now if you go through our link organifi.com mindpump use the code mindpump, you get 20% off. Plus they're giving away free Organifi sleep and fun sized happy drops with orders over 40 bucks while supplies last. Head over there right now. Also, only one day left for our January special. These are workout program bundles. So multiple programs put together in a bundle discounted heavily, all of them $300 off or more. Here they are. We have the new to Weightlifting bundle, the Body Transformation Bundle, the New Year Extreme Intensity bundle, and the body transformation bundle 2.0, all of them discounted heavily. You have one day to take advantage before this ends. Go to maps january.com all right, here comes the show. If you're trying to lose 20 pounds in 30 days, stop right now. This is a failing strategy. We have a better one for you instead. Watch this. Let's talk about what to do instead in 30 days for the person whose goal is to lose 20 pounds in.

[Listener]

30 days, something realistic, achievable, and not.

[Adam Schafer]

Just that, but more effective.

[Listener]

Yeah. The hard part about this is that that's possible. It's just not sustainable, I'd say for most anybody that actually does this. Right? So, like, if you just wanted to lose weight on the scale, I used to use like extreme analogies with clients. Like, all you care about is just the weight on the scale. Like, yeah, we could just stop eating this month, come in here and get on the treadmill. And I know you laugh, right? Because that's an extreme analogy. But the point gets across that like the, you know, maybe you don't eat nothing, but you eat very, very little and you push your body really hard is what happened. And everyone falls somewhere on that spectrum of this during this process. And it's just not a sustainable way to, to lose fat. And if your goal, if you told me, I want to lose 20 pounds of fat, Adam, and you want to keep it off for the rest of your life, there's a much better approach that not only will you most likely be successful, but you'll also be able to maintain and keep it off, which I think most people that say they want to lose 20 pounds of fat in 30 days, they want that. They don't want to just put it all right back.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, there's a few things here. Number one, they want to look like they lost £20. They want to look leaner.

[Listener]

Right.

[Adam Schafer]

They want to lose 20 pounds of body fat, and they want to do it in a way to where it's maintainable or sustainable. Okay. If you lose £20 in 30 days, right out the gates, inevitably a significant portion, I don't care what you're doing, a significant portion or part of that will be muscle. You will not be able to maintain it. And if you lost 10 pounds of muscle and 10 pounds of body fat, which is probably what it's going to be, if you went hard and tried to lose £20 in 30 days, same.

[Listener]

Place, body fat, you're not really going.

[Adam Schafer]

To look that different. It should be a smaller, soft, same flabbiness, and weaker version and weaker version of yourself.

[Listener]

So you're, you're a less healthy version.

[Adam Schafer]

Right.

[Listener]

Than you were going into the.

[Adam Schafer]

Dad, what you should do, if your goal is. I'm not changing your goal, your goal is to lose 20 pounds, here's what you do. First, you gain five pounds of muscle. First build the machinery that burns the body fat, that improves your hormone profile, that does all these incredible things first, which sets you up for success, by the way. If you gained 5 pounds of pure body fat, your body fat percentage actually goes down as a result. Because body fat percentage is a percentage. Your body fat is a percentage of your overall body weight. So if you gain five pounds, lost no body fat, you're actually leaner as a percentage. And this is what's most important. It's body fat percentage. But let's talk about why gaining five pounds and five pounds of muscle in your first month is doable. Yeah, you can do this. My clients, on average would gain between three to six pounds in the first month. If you have really good genetics, athletic background, if you were really muscular before, it would be a lot more.

[Listener]

Especially at the beginning. Especially at the beginning, yes. If you haven't been touching weights or you haven't touched weights in a long time, it's very doable to do that.

[Adam Schafer]

Right. So let's start with the M.O. one of the most, I think, best selling points of this, and it's very true, gaining five pounds of muscle has a much more positive impact on Your hormone profile than just trying to lose a bunch of weight really fast. Building muscle is probably pro tissue. It's proactive anabolic tissue. As you build muscle, you increase the amount of androgen receptors that you have. It's known as androgen receptor density, which means that your current level of androgens, testosterone, is now more effective. By the way. It's important for women just like it is for men. So testosterone in women is just as important as it is for men. They just have lower levels of it. And testosterone that's more effective in women is just like what testosterone that's more effective in men. It makes you leaner, stronger, gives you more drive, more motivation, and more energy. It also improves your insulin sensitivity. So having five more pounds of muscle means you have a larger capacity to store carbohydrates and sugars and you're more sensitive to insulin. So now you're not going to get those insulin spikes and drops, or blood sugar, I should say spikes and drops. That can cause changes in behaviors that make it difficult to stay lean. You also get better growth hormone profiles. That's the hormone of youth. And you get cortisol. That is healthy. You get cortisol as you build muscle. What ends up happening if you do this right through the muscle building process is you see a cortisol profile that is appropriate, where it's kind of higher in the morning and starts to come down towards the evening so you can get tired and go to sleep. So you start to. You actually are making your hormones in order to build muscle, have to organize themselves in a way to do so. And that's a favorable hormone profile. Just trying to lose 20 pounds oftentimes does the opposite. So you want a better hormone profile. Build the muscle first, by the way, that'll contribute to better fat loss later. And then we talked about the metabolism.

[Listener]

Yep.

[Adam Schafer]

As you're feeding your body and strength training, eating protein like you should, your metabolism starts to speed up. In fact, we had a caller recently. Now, this is more of an extreme example, but routinely I would seize things like this. This young lady gets on with us. She was a college athlete. She went from eating 1800 calories to eating 3000 calories a day. Okay. There's more. In that period of time, she gained four pounds of muscle. Okay. She wasn't doing. She went from in season, volleyball, college practice to off season, meaning she was doing three hour practices to no practices. And all she was doing was strength training. So strength training, doing way less activity. She was still active, but not doing.

[Listener]

As much and she lost a pound of body fat.

[Adam Schafer]

And she lost a pound of body fat, gained four pounds of muscle. That's it. But her metabolism went up 1200 calories.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you much cardio you have to do to burn 1200 calories every single day? That's like two hours of cardio a day.

[Listener]

Those are the stories I like. Those are the stories I like to share the most because I do think that that's one of the things that there's still controversy in our space about and, and from leading experts. Right. In talking heads in our space. So it's, it's a tough one that we have to constantly battle. But it's not like just some random person saying there's, there's doctors in our space that like to, you know, tout studies that talk about, you know, muscle only burns, you know, x amount of calories more per day, which is a very insignificant number yet been doing this for decades and seen tons and tons of examples. Just like the collar you're talking about today that has gained only 4 or 5 pounds of muscle, yet is eating double the amount of calories. And so if that, that study told the whole story, then that wouldn't be possible. That wouldn't be possible. That she. Especially considering she's reduced her cardiovascular activity.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Listener]

So you can't like. Because some people. Well, yeah, but you're not accounting for now that she's working out activity.

She's.

Yeah, she's doing less movement in the day. She only put on four pounds of muscle, yet she's eating, you know, 1500 more calories. It just doesn't math. And I've seen this time in and time again with so many clients. And so I don't like when we get into these arguments over what the research says about comparing muscle to fat because there's obviously more going on that we don't fully understand.

[Adam Schafer]

100. It's not just the muscle. It's the process of building muscle. It's the signal that you're sending to build muscle. It's the way you feed yourself to.

[Listener]

Build what you have to do to maintain the muscle.

[Adam Schafer]

Right. So essentially your body has, everybody's body has a range of calories it can burn with the same lean body mass. Okay. So gain or lose no muscle. And your body can, through complex metabolic processes, burn more or less calories, become less or more efficient. The muscle building process allows or teaches your body, for lack of a better term, to burn more calories on its own. So in my experience. So she was a college Athlete, good genetics. So I'll just give you my average, my average client in the first month of training, it wasn't unheard of. So long as there weren't injuries I had to correct and you know, they were healthy. About three to six pounds of muscle gain in the first month was, was pretty average. I mean, I had some people do more. These were people who were really muscular before, lost it all. They had muscle memory. But the average person, remember this is the average like 30 something, 40 something, year old person, 3 to 6 pounds of muscle. By the end of that month, most people's metabolism were like 3, 400 calories faster. Yeah, 3 to 400 calories faster. That's like 45 minutes of cardio every single day just sitting there. You're now setting yourself up for a future of fat loss that's sustainable without having to do more work to get.

[Listener]

There or another way to look at it. You're looking at a future that has metabolic flexibility which allows you to enjoy the Friday night out at dinner every once in a while, or the occasional drink with your spouse. And really that's what you're looking for, is to be able to have some balance. The people that lose this weight, that do it the wrong way, where they just cut calories and move like crazy. This is why it's not sustainable, because more than likely they're going to go back to real life. At one point. At one point a birthday is going to happen. At one point they're going to go on vacation. And when you do that, when you've done nothing but restrict a ton of calories and do tons of cardio to lose that 20, 20 pounds, you put yourself in a place metabolically that allows no flexibility whatsoever.

The margin of error is so slim.

Yes.

Versus the other. And if you stack them next to each other, it's just like you see those benefits. It's very crystal clear. It's, you basically have to get down to a level where you're so low energy, you're frail, you're weak. And you know, at this point too, like, where else can you go other than like just maintaining this really low amount of calories that you're consuming? And so anytime you actually add a little bit of, you know, variation to that, it's like, now I get the weight back on really quick versus now, you know, I've set myself up metabolically where I can have a lot of calories and slowly kind of reduce. But also, you know, there's just a lot more wiggle room there. And I'M strong and I'm energetic and all these positive things.

Which leads to the next point that Sal has, which is you feel better doing it this way?

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, way better.

[Listener]

Leaning out through building muscle and building your metabolism feels so much better than chronically undereating and doing tons of cardio to lose weight. It is a dramatic difference of a feeling. I mean, one of my favorite things with clients that this was their goal that I used to love to do when we were reverse dieting and we were going through this process, through the building muscle in order to lose the body fat process would be they would come back to me like, Adam, I'm eating more than I've ever ate in my life and I'm leaning out. This doesn't make sense. And that is such a great place. It's working to get your people to because that is something that's going to be sino versus the people that are just feel like they're dragging ass and punishing themselves day in and day out and feel like they're starving all day long and they're sacrificing so much. That's just not sustainable.

[Adam Schafer]

It doesn't feel, it doesn't look it. One of the main reasons why people feel fall off besides lack of results is it starts to feel like drudgery. It starts to feel terrible. I don't feel good.

[Listener]

Now.

[Adam Schafer]

People will lie to themselves. Like you take somebody who loses 20 pounds in 30 days and they beat themselves up and starve themselves. They look at the scale, they're like, oh, I feel great. The truth is, if they went, if they did what we're saying, they would feel far better. Now people will confuse themselves because they look at the scale. But if you do the muscle building process, that's a feel good, energetic. I feel mobile. This is amazing. And that leads to better consistency later on, by the way, you're still going to lose the 20 pounds of body fat. So we're not saying gain five pounds of muscle, you're done. We're saying gain five pounds of muscle first. That makes the 20 pounds of fat loss possible and sustainable and probable and it feels much better. And finally it's better on your psyche. Okay, there's two scenarios here. Scenario one, let's cut your calories way down and have you just do tons and tons of cardio. Scenario two, I'm going to have you strength train twice a week, maybe three days a week, but probably twice a week. And I'm going to have you actually probably increase your caloric intake a little bit through Whole natural foods and high protein. So now I'm telling somebody who wants to lose 20 pounds of body fat, eat more of these things, do a little bit of strength training versus eat way less and run on the treadmill, which one is better on your psyche?

[Listener]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Schafer]

Which one?

[Listener]

Dr. One's punishing.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right.

[Listener]

It feels that way. The other one's like, oh, wow, I can add more.

[Adam Schafer]

Interesting.

[Listener]

Well, we talk a lot about how, you know, human nature, we're rebellious by nature. And so I remember it being such a huge hack as a trainer to when I had clients that we needed to diet or we needed to lose weight, that the strategy or of having them add things that are good for them in a diet versus telling them they can't have things was such a better strategy. And it's for the psyche. It's for that reason. It's like reverse psychology. It's like this person, we know that they've obviously over consumed calories for a long time to get in this place, telling them purely to restrict and cut back is not like, new to them. Like, that's not. They're aware that they've overate. But it's such a flip to go, hey, instead of me telling you, you can't do this, you can't do that, this is what I want you to do. Go get this, go get that now. Make sure every day we have at least one of these and at least one of that, and they kind of look at you like, wait a second, don't. What about this? And no, don't worry about that right now. I just want you to go get this. That what that does psychologically to that person is it doesn't make them feel like they have this inner rebellious side that they need to rebel against themselves. Instead, they're like, going after foods. Such a different response that you get from clients when you, when you set goals like this.

[Adam Schafer]

And by the way, we're speaking from experience, you know, we trained people for 20. Here's a funny part of the story, okay? The three of us really didn't train clients together. We all kind of had our own businesses training clients. When we met and started the podcast and we were sharing notes, we all found success doing this. We all figured this out with our clients, and all of us took a good seven, eight years to figure this out. Because what you're taught or what you think is right as a trainer is to take that person who wants to lose 20 pounds, throw them on the treadmill, cut their calories. But through years and years of failing, flipping it around, figured it out, success rate went through the roof. I got a study to bring up to you guys about muscle quality. So you guys know Dr. Gabrielle Lyon has been talking about this.

[Listener]

Oh, yeah, she blew my mind with that. I didn't even think in that regard.

[Adam Schafer]

She's been talking about this for a while. So, you know, there's bmi, right? So how much you weigh versus your height. Then there's body fat percentage, which is, you know, better. Right. That's a better way to measure what's going on. But what they didn't look at or what they haven't looked at a long time was muscle quality. Okay, you've got some muscle on your body, but someone who works out with the same muscle versus someone who doesn't work out with the same muscle. There's a difference. There's a big difference.

[Listener]

The visual being sort of that filet versus, you know, the rib eye is sort of. If you look at, like, meat being muscle.

[Adam Schafer]

That's. That's right. That's what they're finding. And what they're finding is the person who works out has healthy muscle. It's more insulin sensitive, more protective, it's obviously stronger. But what they're finding in there is that it's. They call it fatty muscle. So that's the term for it. This is from the. This is January 19, 2025, in Science Daily. It was from the European Society of Cardiology. And this is the summary of the study. People with pockets of fat hidden inside their muscles are at a higher risk of dying or being hospitalized from a heart attack or heart failure, regardless of their body mass index. According to new research, this intermuscular fat is highly prized in beef steaks for cooking. However, little is known about this type of body fat in humans and its impact on health. This is the first study to comprehensively investigate the effects of fatty muscle on heart disease. So, in other words, it's not just about body fat percentage, it's quality.

[Listener]

Yeah, the quality of that muscle.

[Adam Schafer]

Muscle quality and the way you improve muscle quality is through exercising and strengthening those muscles. So healthy muscle, healthy lean body mass. By the way, this is why I think, you know, the studies that show that grip strength is a great predictor of all cause mortality, and it's strength in general. So if you look at the studies on muscle, really, it's because muscle means strength and it's strength that correlates most to health. It's not necessarily how much muscle you have, but what the strength looks like. Now, of Course, you can go extremely. I'm not talking about pro bodybuilds and power lifters. You know, general population people are fit versus not fit because you can go too extreme in any direction. But what they find is it's strength and it's. I think it's muscle quality. I think if you took, you know, 150 pounds of muscle, that's, that's not healthy, versus 150 pounds of muscle, that's healthy.

[Listener]

You'll see there'll be a difference there. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah, I hadn't even thought on that direction because, I mean, thinking of muscle quality being able to contract more force or like, like recruit, you know, a higher frequency with that, like, it, it makes a lot of sense in terms of like that having a kind of tripping up the process, like having less quality to your muscle fibers.

I think it also highlights too, just the value of strength training. Even if you don't have the best diet.

[Adam Schafer]

Right.

[Listener]

Like, so, even if you.

[Adam Schafer]

Because that's what it says, regardless of bmi.

[Listener]

Right. And so I think that that's the big takeaway I gave because I know that I made the mistake for many years of having that attitude of like, I need to be everything, right? Like, because I know diet is. They say 75% of your results is your diet, so, man, it's pretty much everything, right? So why would I waste my time lifting weights if I'm not dialing in my nutrition? And I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other people that have a similar type of attitude. Like, oh, you know, they say, oh, I got the holidays coming and then I'll start my diet and then I'll start my routine. It's like, well, actually don't do it just for that reason, you know? Yes. Obviously lining up your diet while also strengthening is going to accelerate results. You're going to get better results that way. But to me, it really highlights just the value and the importance of, of strength training. Regardless, even if you don't have the best diet, even if you aren't consistent, even if you are on, off the wagon because it's the holidays, a little bit of, hey, maintaining that consistency around lifting weights and building strength, that's what it really tells me.

[Adam Schafer]

So without getting to the extremes here, okay, I'll give you an example where, where we highlight this, right? A woman who is strong at 30% body fat is going to be healthier than a woman that's at 15% body fat, that's frail. So 15% shredded for a woman, but frail, meaning not strong and weak. If you compared those two people with their mortality and disease rates, the 30% body fat woman with strength would be much healthier. Same thing could be said for a man at 20% who's strong versus a 10% body fat man who's frail. So that muscle is incredibly protective. One of my favorite things about some of these studies on muscle is it's very protective against a sedentary lifestyle. I mean, I'll use myself as an example. Okay, we were just talking about this. So my wife just got a pedometer to measure steps because she's right now tracking her steps. She wants to see just how active she is. And she goes on walks with the kids and she's with. You know, I have two. I have two toddlers. So she's moving and she's reporting to me how many steps she's averaging a day. She's like, well, I did two. Two walks on the stroller and, you know, I'm up with the kids all day. She's like, I'm barely breaking, you know, nine or ten thousand steps a day. And I'm like, man, I don't even track my steps. I'm in this studio pretty much all day long. We're recording all day. I'll. I bet you. I bet you I barely break three or 4,000.

[Listener]

Oh, I know I track a lot. I track a lot. And I know we all have very similar habits around.

[Adam Schafer]

What does it look like when we're here?

[Listener]

Three. Okay, yeah, yeah. When we're, when we're. When you. And just. That's including a workout, by the way. So even I know you work out every day. That is your two 2500 steps right there. Because we ain't stepping nothing in here. And I know we go for our walks mid afternoon here and stuff like that, but you're talking maybe four tops. Tops four, but more like three, which, I mean, they say the average person is less than 4,000 steps a day. And you can see why. I mean, if you have a desk job, you have a desk job or a job where you sit in a chair like this, you really have to actively go out here. But to the, the point you're trying to make right now, which I think is so awesome. What the audience doesn't know too, we're. We were talking about how many calories you can eat right now and get away with is how much lean mass you have. I mean, it's like you can, you. You easily can eat, and you can eat out of balance, even though you don't really that much, but you could eat out of bounds and not really move that much and yet still stay very lean and healthy because of how much muscle I would be healthier.

[Adam Schafer]

It would be, to be clear, it'd be much better for my health. Sure. Walking, of course, 10, 000 steps a day. But this is how protective musc and I know people like this who strength train who have desk jobs. So they'll do their, you know, three or four workouts a week and strength training. You've got good strength and muscle and then they have a desk job. And you know, when you look at their blood panels and their health markers, they're great. Muscle is very protective.

[Listener]

I mean, that's. I think that's something that. And I hope that the audience gets that message from us. There are plenty of fitness people out there that are far way fitter than I am. Way fitter, have way better, healthy, healthier habits than I do. I'm saying never am I trying to. I think the message that I think I'm always trying to convey on here is how little you have to do to stay pretty damn healthy if you do these things. And I'm always looking for that, that, that low barrier for everybody to get out, to be able to see great results and how little you actually have to do to be much healthier than average person. Yes, I would be better off at least in introducing one or two days of some pretty good cardio intensity in there. And I should be working more of my mobility and flexibility and even more consistent with my strength. There's so many things that I could be better about. But what I love is that because I've put so much effort into building muscle and strength for so long, man, I stay. I mean, you look at all my health markers and my body fat percent man, I can stay pretty damn healthy considering how little effort I have to put in that direction. And I think that's really the message I always want to present to the general population is that it doesn't have to be that crazy. It doesn't have to be that hard. You don't have to be like some of these people that we put on these pedestals and that we admire so much as these fitness people that are fanatical about a lot of it and cool, that's neat that we have people like that to look up to. But I don't know. There's other things in my life that are more important and I want everybody to understand that. Man, if you could just make one or two days of full body strength training a week.

[Adam Schafer]

And try and walk.

[Listener]

Yeah, and try and walk a little bit and make sure you hit your protein intake and eat whole foods. You just live by that as a bulk of your lifestyle. You're going to be really, really healthy and, and for a very long time. And you're really going to see it as you get into your 30s, 40s, 50s, as you start to. I mean, Doug's a great example of this. We were just talking also before we got on air how much different he looks than any of his peers. And I don't think Doug's a fanatical fitness person. I think he's, I would say he probably falls in the category of me. Goes in his waves when he's on a kick or he's in there a lot and he has other times when he's kind of whatever, doing his thing. But he overall eats whole foods, makes good choices, takes care of himself. And I mean the guy looks like, he definitely looks younger than us now. So I mean, it says a lot.

[Adam Schafer]

Would you mind, what's your. How old are you for real?

[Listener]

Knows he's approaching 659 old.

[Adam Schafer]

So I know, I know people who are 60 and I don't know people who are 60 who are like you said, so no medication.

[Listener]

No medications, no major issues. I mean, when we hang out, we're.

[Adam Schafer]

All going to bed early. He's trying to stay up.

[Listener]

No, I mean, and strong. Doug could hang into every, every lift that we do. He's strong. And it's like, and I, and I also, again, what I think is important to understand is like he. Because there's examples, of course, in our space of lots of people that are stronger, better looking, fitter, all the things. But it's like I don't think we present that message and I don't think any of us are. Sal is the most radical when it comes to training and diet. Right. The rest of us I think are pretty normal. And I think that, I think we're also pro, pretty fit and healthy and that ability to do that is a testament of what strength training has done.

[Adam Schafer]

Proper strength.

[Listener]

Yeah.

Interesting to see though too. I think a lot of these influencers like you're thinking of right now or that you followed, you know, from the beginning. A lot of times it's like, it's, it's a period of time. It's like maybe three year run, five year run, let's give them ten years, let's say. Right. But then, you know, all of that kind of catches up. It'd be interesting to see for the long game, bro, who you keep following.

I'm watching. So we've been doing this now 10 years.

[Adam Schafer]

I know.

[Listener]

And so without saying names, I'm not going to throw people under the bus, but I know people that were the, in their 20s and popular fitness influencers now they're getting to marriage and a kid in life and they built their brand around their shirts off and all their crazy stuff they're doing. And you can see it, you could see it decline. They're still in good, great shape, not taking anything away from it, but it's like, you know, now more of life is hitting. They, they were, they became famous at a period of time in their life when that, when that's all.

I almost want to create a rule for everybody not to fall anybody 20 years old. You're going to be misled.

It's true. I mean there's, there's a lot of truth in that. You know what I'm saying? And so I, I do think that I don't know the message. I think I'm, I'm wanting, or at least I, I try and present to people.

[Adam Schafer]

We want to get most people healthy. Yeah, that's it. I'm not trying to turn you into pro bodybuilder, pro athlete.

[Listener]

And I'm not trying to argue there's voices for that. Like, that's, I'm not trying to argue or persuade too with somebody who's already in incredible shape and has the routine and, you know, it's like, no, then my message isn't for you. I'm, I'm looking for people that need help. Yeah. I mean, when I think back to our career, when we were actually training people on a daily basis. Right. You know, on average, I see eight to 10 people every single day when I was training clients. And, you know, I can, I can count on one hand how many of them were fitness people.

[Adam Schafer]

Like fanatics.

[Listener]

Yeah, yeah. Most of them hire me because they just.

[Adam Schafer]

The ones that became fitness fanatics became trainers later. Yes. A few of them.

[Listener]

Yes. And. But the rest of them really didn't give two shits about how they looked. Exactly. You know, I'm saying they wanted, they were there because they want, they knew it was important, it was there to.

[Adam Schafer]

Improve the quality of their life.

[Listener]

Yes. And they, they knew that the doing that would, would improve everything else in their life. And so therefore they understood the priority that they understood what investing in a professional that could teach them. And so they Were always looking for Adam. What's the least I have to do? You know, like, what is the least shit I got to track, follow, do to be really, really healthy? How realistic is it? Could I ever be this. And, you know, I love being able to take somebody and be like, listen, you'd be blown away how good you could look, how good you could feel with how little effort. If we, if we make strength training the cornerstone, we make a real cautious effort to be consistent with your protein intake, majority of the time you're eating whole foods. I'll tell you what you're. I'll. I'll blow you away about how, how good you feel, how good you look all the way as you age.

[Adam Schafer]

Love it. Love it. You know, speaking of health, I watched this woman speak on mental health, and she was citing all this data, and I found it very fascinating. Do you know one of the. What. What the. The most accurate predictor of mental health issues or dysfunction is like, one of the. What. What is one of the hallmarks of. Of mental health issues, like depression? Well, so. So people that suffer from mental health issues, trauma or. Yeah. What they find is that what they typically all have in common is that these people are negative, inflexible, or they can't. Inflexible, are not adaptable. I don't. I mean, in terms of flexibility. So people who have a tough time dealing with frustration, with changes, with changes in routine, with expectations, with whatever, people who really struggle, got those kinds of things. It is a hallmark of, you know, health.

[Listener]

That's.

That's interesting you say that, because I can't help but think about what we've went through probably the last 12 years, I'd say. Right. At least the last three, if not four presidencies. The extremes from one way to the other. Like, imagine, like, if how much that impacts your life and then how extreme each side has been, you know, and so how. And if that's true, like, and you're not very adaptable to a new way of looking at things or a new leader or new rules or new stuff like how much that could affect your overall mental health. I mean, I can't think of a time, at least not in my lifetime, where I have felt that as much. And I. I don't know if that's exacerbated because of social media or. Or whatever, or it's just because the leaders have been so extreme different. But I bet that plays a massive role then in why we've seen such a spike in it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. The less mental health the worse mental health you have, the. The harder that is, the harder it is for you to. For. To go through changes. Your adaptability isn't so good. And so, like, Covet really pulled that out.

[Listener]

A lot of people, everybody was grasping for control. Everybody. I mean, and that's kind of what you do when you can't. When you're not adaptable.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right.

[Listener]

Like, you have to find those areas where you can, like, you know, make sure it's controlled and like, I'm safe and. Or whatever it is, like, and versus. Yeah, just building your body up, being resilient towards these changes.

[Adam Schafer]

I thought that was really interesting.

[Listener]

That makes a lot of sense.

[Adam Schafer]

I thought about the mental health kind of epidemic with kids, and a lot of it is related to their. The fact that they aren't as adaptable. So when you talk to, like, employers and teachers, you know, what it'll say is these kids, like, freak out. They freak out over things they can't handle, stress or challenges. It's adaptability. That's what it is. They don't have the same level of adaptability. Now, there's a lot of causes for that. So we could talk about all the reasons behind that, but lack of adaptability, lack of ability to handle frustration or changes or whatever, that was the hallmark that they talked about.

[Listener]

I mean, there's a bit of shielding going on in terms of the, you know, the hovercraft parent where, you know, we're trying to make sure that everything's safeguarded and we're not letting them fall and, you know, have these moments of these lessons that they need in terms of, like, oh, I'm going to be okay if this happens, you know, and they learn that themselves.

Speaking of parenting, you know, we just had that, that great episode with Erica Comazar. Did you guys. Was there anything personally that you. You got from that, that you. You've taken home and you're like, trying to implement more in your family or maybe even just a reminder.

[Adam Schafer]

God, one thing she said that I blew away a belief that I had now. I'm better at it now, but definitely when I was an early dad, I wasn't great at this. I always thought it was about quality time, not quantity. And she said that's a myth.

[Listener]

That was that question I asked you. Quality all over that. Yeah, yeah, because that's an argument. A lot of people make that argument of, like. And I adopted that too. I was like, yeah, that's. That makes sense, right? Like, you know, better to spend one hour of, like, engaged with my kid than four hours and I'm disconnected or like that. Like, so it's more about that, but, boy, she really shit on that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that one. That one hit me because that hit me too.

[Listener]

That was a good one.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that was a big one. Like, you know, because they're both important, but one doesn't. Isn't supplement the other or get. Or get rid of the other one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a bit. Would you have another one?

[Listener]

Yeah, there was the Something that. This made me more cognizant of it. Like, is Max seeing my affection with Katrina? Oh, yeah. I'm not a big PDA person. Right. Like, I don't. I don't do a lot in, like, that's not. I'm. I'm very. I am an affectionate person, and Katrina and I have a very affectionate relationship. She's more of the touchy feely and lean over and kiss me. I love you. Do that. So with that, and so I was like, you know, I. I could be better about making an effort. So my son sees a lot. And so, like, that was something that, like, I think resonated with me.

[Adam Schafer]

So what are you doing just randomly now? Going up to train?

[Listener]

Yeah, I'm trying to be better like she is with that. You know, how does it feel for.

[Adam Schafer]

You to do that?

[Listener]

It's work, you know, so. Yeah, I mean, anytime. I mean, I think that's just the honest truth, you know, anytime that you, You. You become aware of something that you could be better at or you don't do, I think. I think you'd be lying, or at least I would be lying to say that it's not work, it's not effort. You know, it's. You know, I've. I've openly talked about my. My relationship with the family thing, and, you know, it took a lot of years of consistency on my part of, you know, making an effort to enjoy that process. And it's. It's such a. Such a bummer to have to say that because I know what it must feel like on her end to hear that, like, man, that sucks. We come around my phone and you have to try, you know, you can't just. I'm like. I wish I could say, yeah, well, you.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, you have an excep wife, though. She understands you so well that I think a lot of it, she doesn't take personal. I think she really.

[Listener]

No, she's great.

[Adam Schafer]

She does a good job.

[Listener]

She's patient.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, what's the term? It's. She's a she's a good strengthener for you. So she gets you, she understands you, allows you to grow and encourages you. So I think she sees that and gets that because I can see how the other person would take that person.

[Listener]

I mean one of the things, if you ever talk to Katrina and you ask her about, you know, us and the things that, you know, one what she fell in love with or the things that she knew about us, it's it that we're both very, very growth minded. And her attitude towards anything, she is very patient and flexible and understanding with all of my flaws, so long as she sees me working on it. And I'm the type of person that's just who I am. Like, I'm open, I'm open, I'm self aware. Lots of flaws, but I am, I'll always be actively trying to be. And I think that's what's always attracted her and made her patient, is that it's not like I have these habits, behaviors or things and I'm denying them or I'm not gonna change. It's that like, yeah, I recognize I'm kind of a pain in the ass when it comes to that. And I know I suck at it. Like I could be better and like, and then seeing me put in the work to do that, I think that's what gives her that flexibility probably. Or she what she would probably tell you. So. But yeah, that was something I, I.

[Adam Schafer]

Got from that I noticed a response from Max.

[Listener]

Well, yeah, so I mean I, I knew well what really triggered is because she's really good at that and it's really cute that and maybe I'll get lucky and he' think of that as we were. Even though I think Cheese being the one who's really good at it. Whenever we kiss in front of him, he always comes running over and gets in the middle of us.

[Adam Schafer]

No way.

[Listener]

Yo. Yeah, he gets in the middle and all three of us do a kiss. And we've done that a lot because we used to read together every night and so we. He's definitely seen that. But I could be better on my end of engaging because I want to make sure that he sees me loving his mother the same way she loves me. And so, I mean, I don't. We'll see how that plays out. But that was my biggest flaw.

[Adam Schafer]

I have my flaws for sure, but that one, I'm. That one, I'm. I'm too much. I think like my wife would be trying to do something and I'll come in. I can't do anything. Just get off of it.

[Listener]

I was like, isn't it funny how almost every. Almost every couple has.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Listener]

I mean, it's probably meant to be that way, right? Like, there's always one who's more than. Than the other. You know, that balance.

Affectionate one.

[Adam Schafer]

Are you?

[Listener]

Surprisingly.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Listener]

Are you?

Yeah.

Really?

[Adam Schafer]

He is. He's very affectionate. You ever seen with his boys. He's always, you know.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Listener]

Courtney's like that too. Like, you more like, you know, just kind of keeping everything together. And her. Her affection really is like, in her cooking and her preparation and like, this is my love and giving it to us, you know, from that place. And so for me, I'm always like, I'm the touchy feely guy, but I don't do that with you guys. Yeah, it's a different experience.

Yeah, I would. That's how I'm so. She's like that. Where her expression of is. Is through action. Right. The things that I do. That's how I've always said, like, I'm not. I'm not big. I'm not good about saying it as much and letting her feel it that way. It's more like it's the things. Do you know, that's what I try.

[Adam Schafer]

I like words of affirmation. I keep. I've told my wife many, many times and I actually.

[Listener]

That's so funny to me that you're that way. I feel like we would be because I'm totally not that.

[Adam Schafer]

I love words of affirmation. I love being encouraged. It strengthens me, makes me feel good, you know, I gotta get better at that.

[Listener]

That's a big flaw of mine is. Yeah. Congratulating, like, you know, celebrating or like pointing things out that, you know, my wife's doing really well. Like, I'm like, oh, I should have said something.

Is she good about words of affirmation to you? Or do you feel like you need it or you like it? Katrina is so good at it, but I don't even care. I tell her all the time, like, that's not.

Yeah, I probably like. I mean, she's better at. Than me, but I. I don't really seek it as much. Like, it's not.

[Adam Schafer]

What do you like?

[Listener]

I like touch, man. I like. I. Yeah, you gotta touch me, dude. Really get.

Have you guys. You guys have all read Love languages. That's such a good book. I always tell. I tell people. If you're listening to this and you're early in a relationship, or even if you're not in a relationship. I think that was probably one of the most important books I ever read because it gave me the words to be able to communicate and then also to. Because here's what happens a lot of times in a relationship is you. Everybody feels like when they love somebody the way they like to be loved, they feel like they're doing it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. They try to communicate with their love.

[Listener]

Exactly. Because that's what they like. Therefore, that's how they reciprocate this. Right. So again, that's. Katrina loves a touch. Where's after. She loves that stuff. She's really good at doing that. I'm terrible. But then I also don't need that. So even though she's doing it like crazy, what, what's hard for that person to understand is that she feels like she's putting all the effort in and working, but she's loving me the way she wants to be loved. Therefore I'm not receiving it that way. So understanding that is so powerful because a lot of times that's where this happens in a relationship is both partners feel like they're trying and both partners feel like the other person isn't trying, but it's because they're speaking a different language.

[Adam Schafer]

Now. My wife's got a lot better with things. I've told her a bunch of times. Like, I like words of affirmation. I saw her, she had, she had her alarm go off on her phone. I looked at it and said, word of affirmation. I said, did you set an alarm.

[Listener]

To remind me it's my hack?

[Adam Schafer]

Did you give me. She's like, I did. I'm like. And I kind of like, is that scheduled the same. You have to schedule because this is not the way I normally communicate.

[Listener]

Hey, it's work.

[Adam Schafer]

She definitely, she definitely does acts of service. She likes spending time. Hers is time. She likes to spend time together. That's a big one. And she's touchy feely as well. I'm just over the top. You guys know me. I'm super.

[Listener]

Yeah. I was trying to think from that interview, like, what really resonated and I think it was like, for me, I've, I had a tendency to want to, because I, I, I want to like reserve myself from just jumping in and kind of taking over with my kids in terms of like, whatever they're doing and pursuing. Because I want them to learn and, and to struggle and all this kind of something like, you know, that's where I'm like, I'm, I'm dad, I need to teach him a lesson, you know, when really it's like spending that time and like the volume of time is, is kind of along the same line with that where I was like, you know, I gotta work on this. And just finally it was something that it was easier because I could relate with basketball and I could relate with like some of these other pursuits and like entrepreneurship with Ethan. And so those two things I like have on my radar with both of them that I'm like immersing myself with them for time, you know, and just spending that time having them ask me questions or like, you know, work on that kind of stuff. Because like my, my go to before that was like I'm going to get them somebody to teach them because they don't want to learn from dad, you know, And I'm like, no, they want to learn from dad.

[Adam Schafer]

They do this one. Well, you're your kid's hero. It's super obvious your boys look at you as a hero, so that's cool. I had a frickin win, dude. I gotta tell you guys about this massive win. My teenage daughter. Having a win with your teenage kids is just such a so recently milestone. One of the tough things for anybody who's, who's divorced, who has dual custody with their kids, it's, this is a huge struggle. There's this guilt, this underlying guilt or whatever you want to call it, where, you know, it's hard to be tough on your kid because then they go off to their, their mom and you don't see them for another weekend. So you just want them to be happy all the time. And I've. This is always a struggle. It's always a struggle, it's always challenging. But anyway, more recently, through help from my wife and a lot of prayer, I've been able to kind of rein that in. And you know, we had this big, this big situation with my daughter. She's 15, she's a beautiful young lady, very hard working, the whole deal, but she's 15. And so she's starting to blossom into a young lady. And so I kind of had to, I had to put the brakes on the way she was dressing. A few, a few things. And it's nothing crazy, but as my wife explains it. Slippery slopes. Yeah. She says this is the starting point, it only goes down from here, so stop it now. Yeah. Because otherwise it's hard to go backwards. Right. So I did and we got this blowout. You guys know about this? We had this huge argument, my daughter and I, this big old blowout thing. And she literally was pissed off me for a month. So for a whole month she acted, you know, just angry with me, kind of silent a little bit. Would just say minimal. Yes, I had to deal with that. I had to deal with that for 30, eating me up, you know, But I did and we came through it. And my relationship has been getting closer with my daughter. And one thing also was really looking into child psychology. When your kids feel contained by you, they feel cared for, safe. It's actually called, it's actually neglect. It's, it's neglectful when you don't give your kids boundaries. Even if the kid says they like it, they actually feel like mom and dad don't care for me. So it's. So that really sold it on me. Like, okay, I don't want her to feel like I don't care about her, because I do. So I, you know, and she, So I did that. I put my arms around a little bit and said, here's the boundary, we're not doing this, I don't care, I'm dad, you're gonna have to listen to me type of deal. Whatever. So anyway, my, I was talking to my ex wife the other day and we were talking about my daughter and she goes, oh, I gotta tell you something. She goes, I was talking with her the other night and you know what she said to me? I said, what? She goes, she said, you know, sometimes papa just loves me too much. I was like, oh, my heart. He loves me too much. Oh, my heart exploded. My wife, My wife made a little like a framed picture of that. I have a little desk at home. So now just says, paul loves me too much.

[Listener]

That's great.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, so it was so nice.

[Listener]

That's a great, that's great. Because then, you know, that's her interpretation is that versus, you know, dad hates me. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. So cool.

[Adam Schafer]

Speaking of like touching things, you guys see what Element did for the LA fires?

[Listener]

I did. So cool.

[Adam Schafer]

So breaking. So explain this. So they were providing.

[Listener]

Yeah, they were sending all the ready to drink element drinks to all the firefighters that were coming. I mean, we have firefighters coming in from all over. Right. So obviously those fires were massive. They're providing other states, everything like that. Yeah, I don't know if they're showing my truck, helicopter or what, but I saw the pallets. I mean just pallets and electrolyte water.

[Adam Schafer]

For all these hard working men and women trying to put the fires out.

[Listener]

Wow.

Yeah. It's always so cool when I see some of our partners it always makes you feel good about the companies that we've decided to partner up with that do stuff like that.

[Adam Schafer]

And then they have a. Nominate. What is that? What are they doing there? Doug, with the.

[Doug]

Yeah, so if you know somebody that's in the fire zone, you can actually nominate them to receive the Element product.

[Adam Schafer]

For free.

[Doug]

For free. They'll send it to them.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow, that's so nice.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I wish a lot of more companies did that during emergencies, you know.

[Listener]

Yeah. During crisis. I love that when certain companies really take that on and shine and, you know, like, was it Elon Musk when they brought the Starlink in? The other tragedy that happened there in the. Was that North Carolina or.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you're talking about with the floods or whatever.

[Listener]

Yeah.

They're like flying it in, giving them Internet. Giving them Internet.

I wish, I wish more. More stuff like this is. Was highlighted because I think. I like to believe that as. As a. As a whole, our society is good and would actually do good for each other. Like, obviously there's evil people, there's corrupt people, but I. I've never been a fan of us waiting, hoping, or putting our trust in the government to save all of us. I think that. I think we're better off waiting for our neighbor. I really feel like our, Our. Our neighbor will step up and do it the right way before government does. And I, I think that this is just another example of that. And I just. I don't think it gets highlighted enough. I don't think people talk a lot about those. Sit. I'm sure, you know, Elon was talked about for a day and then forgot about. And then now we're. Now he's a Hitler salute or whatever viral thing. Right now you gotta.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, so watch the whole video. First of all, it looks bad.

[Listener]

It does.

[Adam Schafer]

Straight up looks bad.

[Listener]

At first I was like.

[Adam Schafer]

When I first saw it, I was like.

[Listener]

I was like, face.

[Adam Schafer]

Paul, what are you doing? Yeah, no, he was talking and he's spastic. You know, he's weird and he's talking and he says he's autistic, isn't he?

[Listener]

It's almost like a tick.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And he goes. He says, my heart goes out to you. And he like grabs his heart and throws it out.

[Listener]

Out.

[Adam Schafer]

But it looked like someone's gonna clip what I just did.

[Listener]

I know, right?

[Adam Schafer]

Freaking Hitler salute. Yeah. And that's all he needed. That's all his enemies.

[Listener]

News outlets. They just clipped the part where he's doing the salute only and repeating it. It's like, oh, it looks so bad.

[Adam Schafer]

So funny. It's so funny. But you know, there's. When you criticize someone, there's a lot of things you can criticize them over. But that one's not true. It's not true. But that's what goes viral, right?

[Listener]

Oh, it's.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, he was not doing a Nazi sleep. He literally said in the video, you hear the whole.

[Listener]

So I didn't watch the.

Who grabs his chest?

But I heard, I, I mean I heard the whole speech. His hands are all over the place because he's all. You know, I'm saying because he's autistic, he doesn't know what to do with his hands, period. So I mean, you got, you got to kind of. I think he's got a funny. You gotta laugh. His publicist is like, oh, I hope.

[Adam Schafer]

He'S got like buddies, you know what I mean? Like, if one of us did that, I would, I guarantee it.

[Listener]

Oh yeah, I'm sure he heard. He got a bunch of text messages.

Justin wore the commie jacket.

[Adam Schafer]

The North Korea.

[Listener]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys didn't warn me about that. I was just rocking it. Oh, hey, what's up, Kim Jong Il?

[Adam Schafer]

Speaking of fires, Justin, you. It's somewhat local to you. That huge battery landing.

[Listener]

Yeah, Moss landing.

[Adam Schafer]

So is it the biggest.

[Listener]

Like this is like these smoke stacks and it. At first I think it was some kind of energy plant. Wasn't nuclear.

[Adam Schafer]

No, it was battery. They're lithium batteries.

[Listener]

But that, the lithium batteries, the fire they do there, they take on all the discarded batteries from EV cars. So this is like where they're just dumping all these like batteries and so it somehow caught fire. I don't know. I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

The.

[Listener]

I was trying to read into the story to see if they know the actual cause, but some sparked and then caught fire. And you know, with batteries, if you get them like hot enough, it's just one explosion after the next. And so this was like a pretty long winded fire. Like it went on for quite a bit and kept like.

And chemicals resurrecting and they had to shut down.

Chemicals in the air, like toxic chemicals everywhere and then leaching. And guess what? There's. There's farmland all surrounding the whole thing. So that gets in the soil. We're okay.

So not too 10 foil hats, right? Because.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Weird.

[Listener]

I mean, this is also what's really interesting about something like this is our.

Energy grid's been getting hit.

Well, yeah. Okay, so. And then you and poisoning. We have. We have this new shift in power and there's this now conservative movement and then it's like a story like this just falls right in line with. And this is why electric cars are bad and this is why we need to oil and frack more.

You're going from that angle?

Oh, totally.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I guess you could use it either way.

[Listener]

Of course, that's how I would see it. I. That's, that's. To me, it creates a great storyline around that. And that's the wave and the movement this direction and how to get people behind it.

I mean, this clearly is a clear example of like what people that are all sitting high and mighty in their EV car need to react. Like realize what's going to happen to your battery once it's done. You know, it, it doesn't just disappear. Like this becomes a big environmental issue.

I mean, this is my point though. This is, this is what they want. Conservative people.

Yeah, well, this narrative hasn't been there at all.

Well, because we were four years ago. Now we're moving this way. I mean, God, man, I'm just. You guys have made me so suspicious of everything.

[Adam Schafer]

It took us a while.

[Listener]

Yeah. Now I don't trust anything. I don't trust anything left, right, doesn't matter. I don't trust anything.

Welcome, brother.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, you don't trust anything. How about this $500 billion investment they're going to make, bro? Stargate AI. Is that what's going to happen? Oh, $500 billion. Half a trillion dollars.

[Listener]

Yeah. And so this is Space Force and AI and.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, dude.

[Listener]

Okay, and so let's talk about like some potential things that could be. Well, so great about it.

[Adam Schafer]

Super AI that is managed by the first of all, super AI. Scary, but super AI managed by the government. Yeah, we know what they do with some like, you know, containers around them, like with something like this, like their ability, control and social credit system.

[Listener]

That's what I'm most worried about is the social credit thing.

Yeah, I'm not. See, I'm not even. That one is not the one that's alarming to me. The space forcing is more alarming to me because here's what I think. Like 50 years ago, very few people were, were privy to the, the war games that were happening behind the closed doors. How much of this was just all to make money? And like, barely. I feel like just recently, in the last decade or two, people are now privy. Now people are waking up going like so much, so much of this. So you know what we do? Let's move it to space.

Yep.

And aliens and UFOs.

And then the price bond is all about price tag. It's even higher.

Very high. Very high. Space.

Space station y.

Aliens.

Spaceships.

Aliens. We need way more billions of dollars.

To fight lasers that are way more expensive than news.

Way more. So.

Yeah. And we saw.

Now we're all together.

Drones before that same pace.

We don't want to get killed by aliens and we don't want our. Our Earth to get blown up. So of course we got to send money that way.

Trillion quadrillion.

They milk the wars dry here. So now we're moving to.

I'm on board with that.

[Adam Schafer]

We don't know where the money went.

[Listener]

It.

[Adam Schafer]

You know.

[Listener]

Yeah.

Oops.

And even all this stuff that's popping up with you. But what if they're just setting. They've been setting the table on us. All this UFO stuff popping out like crazy. More and more people are starting to go like, I knew it. I knew there's aliens. And the next thing you know, we're going to war.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We now need to protect ourselves.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Listener]

Trillions of dollars to a force field coming, you guys. I'm gonna be so.

[Adam Schafer]

I'll be honest with you. You said force field. I kind of like was like, I.

[Listener]

Mean, finally our textiles are going to cool shit.

That's how they're going to get you guys right there. You know what I'm saying?

Dude, give me a lightsaber and I'm in. Dude, I'll fight.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, can you pull up the Star Force uniforms? Have you seen the uniforms?

[Listener]

No. Are they real?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Listener]

Hey, whatever happens. The. The spoof that. That was made that show go anywhere. It didn't do well. Such a good idea.

Great actors. Great idea. Terrible.

Yeah.

Execution.

It could have been good.

[Adam Schafer]

Pull up a picture of the Space Force uniform.

[Listener]

Are they ridiculous?

[Adam Schafer]

No, they look. I think they look all right. Do they? Yeah, it kind of looks cool.

[Listener]

It doesn't look very Empire. Very Empire.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Listener]

A little too Empire esque, bro.

Oh, my God. It's happening.

[Adam Schafer]

I expected them to be shinier, you know? I mean, like, there should be a little bit more. More shininess.

[Listener]

More. More Hugo Boss.

I don't know. That looks way too much like the.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah, look at that. That does look.

[Listener]

Actually looks very much so. Give me the. Give me the empire for Darth Vader's guys.

Like. Like Star Trek next year.

[Adam Schafer]

What are they called A little bit.

[Listener]

What is.

What is with the buttons across on one side?

What are Darth Vader's people called. What are they? The Empire. Is that what they're called? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see their uniforms. I'm pretty sure they look just like that stormtrooper. No, not Stormtroopers. That's the soldiers. What are all the generals they're all wearing? It looks like that.

Yeah, it looks just like that, pretty much.

[Adam Schafer]

What? Hey, there's a clip, by the way, in Star Wars. I know you know this. I just saw this the other day where one of Stormtroopers hits his head.

[Listener]

Yeah, look how cool. Look how similar that is. They're just missing the black leather gloves and the silly hat.

[Adam Schafer]

Bro, that looks. Did you pull up Nazi uniform or is that really what that is?

[Listener]

Well, they were trying to model a bit of Nazi. Because it's obviously they were, you know, weaving that into.

I mean, it looks pretty close to the new star. The Star Wars. Oh, look at. Someone's already put them next to each other. Look it down in the bottom left. Look at some of that picture right there. Someone's already comparing this thing.

[Adam Schafer]

Click on that.

[Listener]

That's great.

Oh, yeah. That's the girl we just saw.

It's pretty close, man.

[Adam Schafer]

I guess for the Empire.

[Listener]

Yeah, well, we knew that anyway.

But doesn't it. Doesn't it feel. I mean, God, that's going to be awful, man. If that's where. Where all the money goes now.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's do light shows in space. Make us think that something's happening. Yeah, it's there, guys. Oh, man. You got to raise your taxes, of course.

[Listener]

Drop a few UFOs in people's backyards, shooting each other. Oh, God, it's coming.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, I gotta change subjects. Doug, I want to ask you. Europe, you have not tried organifi sleep yet.

[Doug]

I have not.

[Adam Schafer]

Which I saw you grab some. Yeah. In the back. Okay. You're gonna love it.

[Listener]

I haven't either.

[Adam Schafer]

They have a great sleep product that. It's got some botanicals in there that have been shown to increase. Improve REM sleep so that REM stage sleep and help you fall asleep faster. It's a good product. Organifi. Does a good job.

[Listener]

Anything else? Chamomile. Any other.

[Adam Schafer]

Pull it up, Doug, so we can read all the.

[Listener]

Yeah, tell me everything else.

[Adam Schafer]

Ingredients that.

[Listener]

Because I do chamomile tea all the time. And so if there's.

[Adam Schafer]

Are you doing chamomile often?

[Listener]

All the time. I love it. Especially like right now in the wintertime.

I'm not a big fan of summer, so.

[Doug]

The ingredients are Valerian root. Holy Basil, skullcap, passion flower and lavender.

[Adam Schafer]

There you go.

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

All of those proven to improve sleep.

[Listener]

Is it like a tea? Is it a drink?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's a mix.

[Listener]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

It's like a little powder you put it, if you put on in warm like almond milk. That's, that's a good mix right there.

[Doug]

So with these sleep formulas, I always look for ones without melatonin.

[Adam Schafer]

That one does not have Melatonin.

[Listener]

No melatonin.

[Adam Schafer]

So melatonin is effective, but it can suppress your own body, your body's own production of melatonin. And melatonin is a hormone. It's, I mean, it's not a dangerous one necessarily, but it is a hormone that you can take. So that hormone free, that's what they should have put on the bag.

[Listener]

Hormone free.

You know, we had, I had someone I was going to show you, you guys remember we were talking a lot there for a while on the streaming wars. And you, are you guys aware, like, you know, Amazon prime, some of these streaming platforms now been buying NBA games and NFL games and like they're moving that way. You see what Netflix did. Well, this was a pretty, pretty powerful move. I'd like to see if Doug can find some articles on it because I'm curious to wrestling. Yes. Oh, yes.

Monday Night Raw.

That's right. And it's, and so they've been live. They're like, they're. So Netflix is moving into live TV also.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, wow.

[Listener]

So, and that's the, that's the move, right? Obviously they still have streaming and yet. But if you want to watch your, your, I thought it was a show at first. It popped up and I told Katrina, I'm like, oh, interesting. They have a show. She's like, no, I think it's actual wrestling. Wrestling. And I'm like, like what live? And I'm sure it's live. And you look at, I mean, pretty brilliant considering, you know, we think football, basketball, baseball, all these great sports, but there's a hell of a lot more people huge. Watching wrestling.

Watching wrestling.

[Adam Schafer]

I think they have the biggest audience.

[Listener]

They do, they do. And so I've been watching the streaming wars happen and been giving so much credit to, you know, YouTube prime, all these companies that have been buying rights to the NFL and NBA for these certain games. But Netflix goes and gets WWE rights. I mean, that's pretty brilliant.

That's huge.

See if you see any articles, Doug, on the deal, like what kind of deal it was dollar wise. And if it, they've already got.

[Adam Schafer]

I, I, I think it's cool. I have respect for, you know, and. But I love real wrestling, man. I, I, I watched Greco.

[Listener]

How dare you say that WWE is not real.

[Adam Schafer]

I know it's. I know it's real in the sense that, you know what I mean? It's, it's pro wrestling.

[Listener]

Not right. Yeah.

[Doug]

$5 billion for the next 10 years.

[Listener]

5 billion.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow. Wow times 100. And you can get yourself an AI Stargate investment.

[Doug]

Elon Musk is pouring some cold water on that.

[Adam Schafer]

What are you saying?

[Doug]

He's saying those people behind it don't have the money.

[Adam Schafer]

Don't have the money.

[Listener]

What are you guys talking about?

[Adam Schafer]

Stargate.

[Doug]

Stargate, AI the half trillion dollars.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, did you. Was there, Was there a. Hold on, Was there a rumor that. Because they were going to say TikTok will keep it in the US so long as 50% owned by the US was there. I think Trump said something like, I'll be okay with Elon.

[Listener]

Was that real? I saw that too.

[Doug]

I heard it.

[Listener]

I don't know if it's.

Dude, if I saw. I read Mr. Beast was even trying to put a bid in to buy TikTok.

I mean, even I wouldn't be a fan of that. That's too much power at that point for Elon.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I know.

[Listener]

No, that's what I'm saying.

Then he takes over all the cell phone controls, too. On top of that, when he, when he does. When he gets his.

So. So once Neuralink comes out, we're almost.

Immediately like, so that's the other rumor that I've heard is that we're. It's only a matter of time before, like, att, Sprint and all them are done. Like, he's gonna be able to connect. Connect everybody. Phone wise, Internet wise. Yes. Like, destroy all those companies. But again, like, whoa. Talk about like, a lot of power for one. One person to have.

Nobody's buying your Xfinity name.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So Donald Trump open Elon Musk or Larry Ellison buying TikTok.

[Listener]

So it's just him probably saying it in conversation. It's not really. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, well, they.

[Listener]

What, will they let that happen or.

[Adam Schafer]

This is like the newspapers, remember the news?

[Listener]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

They all, they were all like, just like, you know, decentralized. And all of a sudden, you know, over time, like, a couple people owned them all and they control the narrative. Yeah. Don't do that.

[Listener]

Now, even though I'm an Elon Musk fan, I'm not a fan of him. Having that much.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't trust anybody.

[Listener]

Power and control.

No way.

Yeah. I don't trust anybody who would even want that much. That's.

[Adam Schafer]

That's.

[Listener]

That's not a good. That's not a good thing.

[Adam Schafer]

No.

[Listener]

Like you would that you want all that stuff. Like, why?

[Adam Schafer]

What are you gonna do with.

[Listener]

No. Exactly.

Absolute power. Always corrupt.

[Adam Schafer]

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[Doug]

First question is from. Don't worry. It's just. Courtney, do you have any dietary tips for a couple with opposite goals? For example, one is wanting to bulk and the other lean out. What are some of the best strategies to help both individuals meet their goals?

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, now, truth be told, you can eat off your plate, truth be told, with this. Okay. The best way, first of all, to bulk is with whole natural foods. The same thing is true for leaning out. I mean, honestly, just portion control, everything.

[Listener]

Else could be one person eats less. That's right. This could be exactly. I mean, Katrina and I are like this. Although we don't work out all the time together, but we've gone through stretches where we're working out in the gym at the same time. You could both literally follow the same maps program. You could both literally eat the same dinners, lunches, and breakfast. Just one of you is a smaller portion. And actually, that's a good strategy. I mean, that way it's easy, right? I mean, when she preps. Preps her meals, and my meal, we cook. I just. So I do 8 to 10 ounces of meat, and I get like a cup or a cup and a half of rice. She's doing a half a cup of rice. She's doing six ounces of meat. But we're eating the exact same food. She just. Her portion control is half of what mine is.

[Adam Schafer]

Where this gets challenging is if one person is eating crap and the other person is training healthy.

[Listener]

Yeah, that's where this.

[Adam Schafer]

That's different. But if. If you're both doing this together as an effort, you want to bulk, not just gain a bunch of weight. The person's trying to. It's the same food. It's the same food. You just manipulate the portions. And if the person leaning out, if their calories are getting really low. You just, then you cut the carbs on top of it. But other than that and the, and.

[Listener]

The advice for someone, the person who's trying to bulk, I mean this is where like, because there's been times again where I'm like on aggressive bulk, she's on aggressive cut. So we're on totally ends of the spectrum. So guess what? I get to at, you know, 8:00 after dinner, I go eat another bowl of Magic spoon or I go eat something else in addition to what we ate also. So not only am I portions bigger, but I can still afford to have another 5, 700 calories. And so I go enjoy something at the end of the night on top of it. And so, and then she just has to discipline herself and not eat that extra meal. But I know this is people over complicate this. Where it only place it's difficult is when one person is not bought in.

[Adam Schafer]

When one person is healthy. One person.

[Listener]

Yeah, well that's, that's really, really, that's.

[Adam Schafer]

A different ball do that.

[Listener]

But otherwise this is an easy solution.

[Doug]

Next question is from Honestly, Haley. How do I get my husband to be more adamant about taking care of his body, for example, being more active and eating more protein and veggies without him rebelling? We want a baby and I'm trying to make him realize his health is important too.

[Listener]

This is difficult. See, so this is the couple before is fine. This is hard.

[Adam Schafer]

This gets hard. You know, the best strategy that I've ever seen in my entire career is to be the example and invite them. Invite them to do the things that you're doing. Hey, would you like to go on a hike with me so we can spend some time together? Hey, I'm going to the gym. You want to come with me and work out together? Hey, I'm cooking dinner. I made, you know, this is what I'm making for us. Invite them. Invite them. Each time this leads to the highest probability that they're going to improve their lifestyle. Now here's what doesn't work. Beating someone down. Beating someone down or nagging them or telling them, you know, you need to do this, you need that, because that makes someone feel terrible. Not good. By the way. This is extremely ineffective, especially for men. I'll say this right now, especially for men. Like, one of the best ways to influence a man is to simply be the example and invite. And then not saying it's going to work. By the way, I'm not saying it's going to work 100% of the time, but it's the best chances. If a lot of men are avoidant and if you just hammer them, they're just going to agree and actually not do it. Or they're just going to be avoidant the entire time.

[Listener]

Put a.

Have you guys ever seen Major League Movie? Remember when they had the. The owner and then it was like an incentive based. Once they started playing? Well, yeah, incentive.

I was gonna say put a. Put a shirtless picture of Sal in your refrigerator, see if he gets it.

Well, there.

I mean, no, I. This is. I always like to use the analogy with, you know, somebody who's trying to get somebody to go to church or religion or something like that too is the same thing as like telling them and what they need to do or they should do. Never is going to get that person to come. Come over to your side. The fitness is the same way. I don't even. You say invite. I don't even say say anything. I think you, you there's. It's so difficult to already live a super clean, healthy, consistent life already. So all of your energy should be put in that direction. And hopefully you married the right person that sees you continue to improve your life and sees what that lifestyle is bringing you from energy to your physique to your energy levels to your ad. All these things. And that attracts him to want to go down the same path. Because telling him. And even I don't even know if inviting him is even necessary.

[Adam Schafer]

Inviting is just. It's not like, hey, you need to work out. It's.

[Listener]

But it can come off that way.

[Adam Schafer]

It can. That's why you have to be.

[Listener]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you're getting ready to go to the gym. You're like, hey, do you want to go to the gym with me? You're like, no, you know, I don't want to go to the gym with you.

[Adam Schafer]

Right.

[Listener]

Watch the game. You know what I'm saying? It's like, why waste your time even do that? Just do you and be consistent with you and, and eat the way and. And hopefully like, hopefully it's just the.

[Adam Schafer]

Most powerful way to influence something.

[Listener]

It is, it just is it' but through, through action.

[Adam Schafer]

And I've seen it work. I've seen this work. I've had many, many clients who hired me and I trained them and I trained them for two or three years and then they brought their spouse and then their spouse started working out. But it took a couple years.

[Listener]

I just, I just think too. It is so hard already for all of us individually to live and be that example that most of your energy should be spent on that other than try. Because what it'll, it'll look hypocritical when you are trying to do that. Tell them, show them. Yet you're already inconsistent with your own health and fitness journey. So it's like put all your energy in that and then hopefully it attracts that person. And then if you don't, I mean this is, I don't know, this to me was part of the list of like the, the must haves for a partner. Like if I'm going to do life with someone, they got to care about health and fitness at least somewhat as much as I do. They don't have to be in the space and want to be a fitness fanatic, but they got to care about their health. And so she's already here, she's already.

[Adam Schafer]

Married to him, you know, so you know, you're married, you're together, you support, you can encourage and then you could just lead the example. And that's your best bet is to be the example of the influence. Like if you're around somebody that's healthy and they're not harping on you, they're not hammering on you, they're very graceful and you just notice like, man, they got good energy, man, they really, they really seem happier, they look healthier. That invites them into wanting to maybe do what you do. But if they're pushing you all the time, that'll actually make it happen. That'll make it take longer.

[Listener]

No, it'll never happen that way. What you're hoping to have happen because you exude health and fitness so much. He starts to ask questions, man, why are you so full of energy today? Wow, man, I got great night's sleep last night. I prioritized my breakfast. I feel great like this when I make sure that I hit my protein intake and I get a good lift in, you know, oh my God, this, let him see it and then hopefully he asks questions because you exude it. And then you have the oport the opportunity to say, oh, it's because of this and it's because of that. It's like, you want me to make your meals or do you want to go to the gym tomorrow and see how you feel like then that, I mean to me that's the, the invite happens when they ask questions, right? When they, when you've done enough to exude that lifestyle that they're curious about something. And until then, I always feel like I can do better than If I'm not living enough of that life that they're asking me questions, that I can be better, I'm going to be better. And so put my energy there until they do.

[Doug]

Next question is from Sean Glade. How do you deal with a client whom you genuinely can't stand to be around? But you can't cut them off because you're trying to build a schedule?

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, so it's, it's, it's fine having boundaries, right? You don't want a client that's going to treat you like crap or, you know, be super rude to you or whatever. But here's the deal. Like, you're a trainer, okay? You have to learn how to be around a lot of different people. I, I, in my career, it'll build, train character. That's right. Look, my entire career of training trainers, training clients, two decades plus. Rarely, rarely, rarely is the client the problem. Usually it's the trainer. I can't stand them. Why? Well, they talk about things I'm not interested in, or they're too quiet, or that's not their, that's you. You need to be the chameleon. And you need to figure, especially if you're trying to build a schedule, figure out, change yourself and figure out how you can be around them, find ways to make it something that you want to do. You're helping them. Maybe that's what you're excited about, the fact that you're actually helping them. Oftentimes it's the trainer, not the client. Now, of course you should have boundaries. Like, don't allow people to treat you a particular way, cuss at you, whatever. But usually that's not the case. Usually it's just, they just, you just don't like them. Okay? Like, so what, you're trying to build your schedule, be a damn good trainer. You're trying to help them become healthier.

[Listener]

Yeah, I experienced this quite a bit. I did. I did like a lot of people.

[Adam Schafer]

Because I work with people. They're sitting next to me right now.

[Listener]

But I, I reframe this. I totally reframe this. And I actually embraced it. And I like to take clients like this because I thought it stretched my capacity and challenged me. I, and, you know, I made it a competitive thing. Inside of me is like, man, how can I get this client to like me? Or how do I, how do I get on the same page as them? And where there's got to be some common ground or something we can share interest in. And so I was always on this mission of trying to Figure that out. And it just made me a better trainer. And I think the better you get at this, this skill will definitely pay off in the long run. What you don't want to do is just because this person has different political views, religious views, you know, on. On life, whatever, you put a wall up yourself and you guys have this awkward trading session that you dread every single day. Instead, like, and I had this client. Let me tell you, I've had plenty of these clients. In fact, my longest standing, best paying client was a client that I couldn't stand the most. And it's a fact. It's a fact. Can I say this is. I had one of those people, people that. That have heard the story, that have been listening long enough. It's the one that, you know, threw the weight at me. And let me tell you, we had a very unhealthy relationship because of how she treated me. And I was just baffled by what. What is it about this. This girl that we just can't. Yet she kept paying for me. Right. So I knew something was going on there too. Right. Like the fact that she kept renewing with me. She wanted the training, stuff like that. But we just. We couldn't have been more opposite on all of our views on life. But it made me better, you know, And I think deep down she actually really liked me. She's a bitter, angry, hateful person. And so I was this thing, this. This client or this, you know, trainer that she liked to take it out on her rough day, all day, it was me. But I. Again, it was a challenge. It was hard. It wasn't easy. How could I make her like me? How can I make her smile? How can I make her laugh? Like, I mean, it was. It was something that made me a better trainer because I felt like, man, if I could. If I could get her to have a good workout and smile and like me and continue with me, then there's nobody who I can't. I can't sit in the same room.

Yeah. I mean, that's kind of the same ethos, the same mentality I had. It was like, there's something here. There's something here. I need to learn. And a lot of times it was like the people that didn't, you know, we didn't get along with typically. It was. It was people that, like, really, I had to learn how to ask them more questions, have them talk about themselves more.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Listener]

And so really, it was removing myself from that equation and being like, well, I, you know, I come coming in all excited with all these things I want to talk about, and, like, I'm, you know, trying to direct the conversation and do all this, and then. And then it just got. We get hijacked. And they'd find that opportunity to say something that just, like, deflated all my sales. I'm like, no, I'm not giving you that anymore. And so just ask them all these questions about everything going on in their life. You know, like just constant barrage of questions and keep them. Their mouth busy. And then it was just fine.

It's going to make you a good trainer if you can work through this. And at one point, you will get to a place where you get. You have all the control, and that's a great and. But part of getting to that place is being able to handle these type of clients. If you. If you run from these clients or you fire these clients or you have a bad attitude about these clients all the time, you're gonna have a really hard time getting to a place where your schedule is so loaded. You can pick and choose your clients, but one day you'll get there.

[Adam Schafer]

Here's how I used to look at it. You know, if you've ever had. If you've ever taken care of somebody that's really sick. Have you guys ever had to take care of someone and a family member that's really sick or terminal? They're often mean.

[Listener]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

They're often angry at you. Nurses deal with this all the time. Doctors deal with this all the time. Care workers deal with this all the time. And now why do they keep doing it? Because they want to help the person. They care about them. They want to help them. And so it rolls off their shoulders. That's how I viewed this when I had a client that was just someone I want to be around. They're a little bit snarky or just kind of, oh, you know, bad attitude, bad mood. Now I have my boundaries. You're not gonna. You're not gonna, you know, call me names. You're not gonna disrespect me, but you're just rude. You're just kind of snarky. You're just whatever. You're not likable. I'm here to help you. And it's a puzzle. It's a puzzle that I'm trying to figure out. And my goal is to get you to become healthier and happier. And I'm gonna tell you something right now. This was some of my favorite success stories. I mean, there were. There's one gentleman I can think of right now. He Would come in. He was an asshole. He was an asshole every time he came in. And I would try and make him laugh and I try and tell him a joke. And I trained him. And after three years of training this person, I talked to some of his co workers. I don't want to say too much because he probably listens. His co workers came in and said, hey, what have you been doing with so. And so. I'm like, what do you mean? They're like, man, he's like, telling jokes and he's happier and whatever. I'm like, really? Like, yeah, you've really changed him. And I was like, man, I felt so good, you know, But I almost couldn't tell because every time you come in, he had this attitude. But that's the way I look at it.

[Listener]

Like, you also don't know, because this is what I found out later on about this client that I'm referring to also is how much of a light you were for that. That person in their life. And even though you thought they hated you or you thought they're such an. To me, they. They. They have this real bitter, negative look on all of life.

It's a defense mechanism.

And they're waiting for you to confirm what they believe. Everybody's a piece of. Nobody might even feel safe letting it out. That's right. And then they do that. And. And there's a part which. Which I think is what her is like that. That was her. Her testing me forever to confirm that everybody is whatever, you know, But I'm not. I'm different. And I stayed consistent and continue to be that person. And then later on, I found out from other people that knew her and then be like, oh, my God, Adam, she loved you. Yeah, she would do anything.

[Adam Schafer]

Isn't that crazy?

[Listener]

And it's like, I never felt that, you know what I'm saying? I didn't feel in there. Now. The only thing that did confirm was like. I remember I was like this. It always blew my mind she'd resigned. Never, Never thought twice. Yeah, hopefully she's not going to resign this. Signed up again. Signed up again. It's like, God damn. Which is, lady, not going to resign with me. But, you know, because I felt that energy from her. But really, I. But that's because she was a bitter, angry. And that's a good example of somebody who's on their deathbed or you're having to take care of their. They have a lot of negativity, man. But part of probably why they show up to see you is because you're not, you're a light.

[Adam Schafer]

And that's why I say that's the trainer man. This is your job. This is what you signed up for. You're there to help people. And you're there to help people when it's hard, not when it's easy. That's a piece of cake. Anybody can do that.

[Doug]

Next question is from USYB10316. Why doesn't mind Pump ever recommend Maps Anabolic Advanced? I've only heard you talk about or recommend Anabolic. Is it an inferior program in the grand scheme of Maps programs to follow?

[Listener]

It's the opposite of inferior, but it's advanced.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So the reason why we talk to.

[Listener]

People on their journey of what they should start with.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right. So Maps Anabolic is more appropriate for most people. The other thing too is when we get callers that call in, we have a bit of a self selection bias. These are people who are struggling. They're probably most of the time or many times they've been working out consistently for a while, they've overtrained and they call in, they can't figure something out. And so we recommend a program like Maps Anabolic because it's appropriate if you have experience, you're healthy, you've been training for a little while, a year or two, and you don't have issues with recovery and you want to build like the most muscle and strength on your body, especially muscle. It's the most effective mass program we have for just pure muscle gain. It's just, it's, it's one of the top ones. It's just if you're, it's just not as appropriate for everybody like Maps like the original one is.

[Listener]

Yeah, I mean that's just it, that's. It has nothing to do. I mean it's an incredible program, but.

[Adam Schafer]

It'S one of our top selling. Funny they say this too. Maps Anabolic Advanced, one of our top selling MAPS programs. Precisely because people recommended.

[Listener]

But it really does belong in the person who's, who's doing a lot of the right things and it's the next program.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right.

[Listener]

But when we get callers, these are people that are struggling, they're having challenges and a lot of times it is over training, under eating, doing too much of stuff and it's like. Or they're doing the old school body part split seven days a week or something like that. And so Map Synabolic is, is where we do recommend most people start. So we just don't get A lot of questions that you hear on air that it makes sense, like, oh yeah, maps in a ball. Perfect for you. Because that person's like, would be the person who says, like, I've been doing great, I've been, I gained all this muscle. I did maps in a ball and I did performance, I did aesthetic. What I do next. Well, you could do maps in a ball advance, that'd be great.

And we kind of have like a core in terms of like what is the broadest stroke and what's going to fit with most of the general public and audience in terms of our programs. And then there's ancillary programs around that that, you know, you can then get into more of the, the nitty gritty of it. You can really, you know, expand upon that, that specific type adaptation you're trying to go for. So it's some of the programs, like they, they get lost in the fray because like a lot of times we just, we're just trying to send people to the start. That's right, here's where you need to go.

You should own all the programs.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, but if you, but if you're, if you want, if you have experience strength training, you've been doing it for a while, you're not over training right now and you want to like, see how much muscle can I gain in 90 days? Like, I want to maximize muscle gain. Maps Anabolic Advanced will do it. It'll put muscle on you in a hurry. But if you're over trained, don't go there. If you're over trained and you're overdoing it now, then you go to Maps Anabolic Advanced and that'll give you the best results. Look, if you love the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at mindpump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump distefano and Adam is at mindpump.

[Doug]

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