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2524: Top 3 Signs You’re Losing Fat & NOT Muscle (Listener Live Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Top 3 signs you’re losing fat and NOT muscle. (1:53) Are squeem’s becoming a trend again? (14:51) Zoolander in real life. (22:01) ...
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Amanda
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Sal Di Stefano
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Amanda
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Adam Schaefer
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Amanda
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Sal Di Stefano
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Amanda
Schaefer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode, we talked to live callers and we coach them on air. But this was after a 52 minute intro. Now in the intro we talk about current events, talk about family life, fitness studies. It's a good time, by the way, if you want to be on an episode like this. If you want to call in, have us coach you on air, email us your question@liveindpumpmedia.com now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is MP Hormones. Talk to a doctor about hormone replacement therapy. Or peptide therapy like the ones I talked about in today's episode. The growth hormone releasing peptides, tessemerilin or ibutamorin. But they also offer others, like the GLP1s that you've been hearing about for weight loss. Go to mphormones.com this episode's also brought to you by trainerwebinar.com Adam and I will be on March 4th teaching trainers and coaches how to build their social media business. Sign up for that. It's free. You can watch it live or watch the replay. It's trainerwebinar.com also. These are the final hours for the January special. So here's what we did. We took multiple maps, workout programs, and put them in bundles. I have four bundles here. Each one of them is $300 off or more. The first one is the New to Weightlifting bundle. The second one is the Body Transformation Bundle. The third one is the New Year Extreme Intensity bundle. And the finally, we have the body transformation bundle 2.0. All of them $300 off or more. And if you're catching this podcast when it was released, you still have a couple hours to take advantage. Go to maps january.com all right, here comes the show. You lost weight on the scale. Great. Right? Not so fast. You might have lost muscle. In fact, when you look at the studies on weight loss, usually people lose almost as much or as much muscle as body fat. What does that mean? That means you're smaller. Same flabbiness version of yourself. You're weaker with a slower metabolism. All right, let's talk about the top three signs you can get that'll tell you that you're burning fat but not muscle.
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Justin Andrews
Yes.
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Sal Di Stefano
This is interesting to talk about because I actually think this is really difficult for most people.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, very difficult to determine for sure.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. I mean, I think it's even difficult for us. Right. How many times you, even when you were a trainer, did you assume you were doing things the right way and you go and you retest body fat and the results come back shitty. You know, they come back so many times. Yeah.
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Amanda
So I like your story the best you actually had. You've told this before, but I'd love you for you to retell it to kind of illustrate this, because you actually had your entire training staff do a competition.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Amanda
And this was like, this is a staff of experienced trainers, fitness professionals.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We used to. So I had a relationship with the guys who owned the Fitness Wave, which is a hydrostatic way. Right. So one of the most accurate ways to test your body fat percentage. And everybody really, I mean, really liked it because of the accuracy of it. It was. They'd show up to the gym and we'd make appointments all day and came up with this idea one time just to create some. Some good energy around the staff, a staff of about 20 trainers at the time that I would. We'd all put money in a pot and we would do this challenge for, I think, three months, I think, is what we did. And it was, you know, who could get the greatest change of percentage, right? So, you know, track where your body fat percentage is. Who can. Who could get the greatest change, get the best results.
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Amanda
Was there a prize, by the way.
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Sal Di Stefano
With this, the money? We'd all put a couple hundred dollars in it.
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Amanda
Oh, my God.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Yeah. So everybody put money into the pot.
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Amanda
Oh, wow.
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Sal Di Stefano
And then there was. And then, of course, more than anything else is bragging rights, right? We're all trainers, so at the, you know, it's like, who could. Who's the best at this?
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Amanda
Oh, you got a bunch of trainers competing at some time.
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Sal Di Stefano
And. And man, it was. I mean, it lit a fire under my staff. I mean, my staff was. Everybody was on it and, you know, showing up work multiple times to do cardio. You come in on a Saturday night randomly. I'd come in and check something in my office and there'd be a trainer on a StairMaster. There was trainers doing burpees in this, in the sauna. I mean, it was just. It was on, right? Everybody was super competitive about it. And we. We go and we get our results after, you know, a few months. And the amount of trainers that were so furious and this is. Doesn't work. It's inaccurate. This is not true. This is because so many of us had lost weight, you know, lost 10, 15 pounds or whatever like that during that time, but lost as much muscle as we lost body fat. And that couldn't be possible. My diet was dialed. I was eating perfectly clean and I was doing all this stuff. But I mean, it was such a great example of even all these educated, experienced trainers at the highest level making this mistake. And that mistake was, you know, and this. This to me was really. When I started to piece this together, like, at this point, I was. Same thing. Similar thing had happened to me, and I started to realize what a fine line it was to be in a caloric deficit consistently and to over apply intensity, I. E. Cardio, and what ends up happening and. And so. And how frustrating that can be. And at the highest level of These guys and girls that, you know, understand nutrition and, and they were getting protein, they're taking their shakes and bars and supplements, everything they're supposed to. Yet when the results came in, they had, they had ended up losing as much muscle as they had lost body fat. And so their percentages would stay the same. Some even went up.
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Amanda
Yeah, yeah. For people to understand this, like, body fat percentage is what matters, not total body fat on your body. If you had to pick one or the other, it's body fat percentage. Right. 20 pounds of body fat on a 200 pound man is 10% body fat. 20 pounds of body fat on A 100 pound man. And I'm using extremes here just to illustrate. This is 20% body fat. It's very different. 20% body fat on a guy is overweight, 10% is got a six pack, right. So it's about the percentage. So if you lost 15 pounds on the scale, 5 of it was fat, 10 of it was muscle. You're 15 pounds lighter and you're fatter. Yeah, you're actually fatter. You look fatter, you're weaker, and you're less healthy. And this is not uncommon. This is actually very common. So it's important to understand, aside from body fat testing, because body fat testing, that's the gold standard, right? Get a body fat test, do it week over week, either calipers or if you have access to underwater weighing or something, you know, relatively consistent, where you can kind of see the trend, that's the gold standard. But what if you don't have access to that? Like, what are the signs that, well, the scale's going down, Feels like I'm doing things right, but how do I know it's body fat and not muscle? I think the first, most important sign is this. You're as strong as you were before or you're stronger. I think if you lose weight on the scale and you're lifting more weight or you're lifting the same weight that you did before, same intensity, you feel good. The odds that you lost muscle are slim, especially if you got stronger. Like if you lost 10 pounds or 15 pounds and you're squatting more, you're deadlifting more, you're pressing more. I would bet all my money that you didn't lose any muscle. It's, it's very likely you kept your muscle or built muscle through that process. That's why I like strength as a metric, because it's objective. Now, of course, you could get stronger through better technique and central nervous system adaptation, but it's Hard to do that and lose muscle at the same time. So with my clients, this was my number one gauge. Like if as we're starting to get leaner and I'm tracking the weight that they're lifting, if I see their weight going up at the same time, I'm like, we are in an amazing place. Like, we are crushing right now. Because what you're losing on the scale is very, very, very likely to be just body fat. And it looks like we may actually be gaining muscle at the same time.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, this would probably be the greatest sign. Also rare though too. I feel like just because most people in a calorie deficit that are leaning out tend to lose a little bit of strength. So if you're able to maintain strength and or possibly gain strength, you're almost certainly just losing body fat and, or holding muscle or maybe even building muscle because newbie gains. Or maybe like my recent scenario where I'd fallen off the wagon came back, muscle memory. And so, you know, it is possible, it's definitely possible to do that. I think it's, it's definitely probably the best sign if you can get that. But I would also be totally discouraged if you lose a little bit of strength because it's possible you could lose some strength and still be doing a really good john. That's why the, the second one to me is, was always my gauge, which is watching my waistline come in, but then the rest of my muscles like feel like they're still there, if that makes sense. Like I, I, I feel like losing inches on the waist, but keeping arms and chest and shoulder size, like being able to keep your muscle size visibly. I can see that. Oh, okay. My shoulders, my chest, my arms, they look good. They look like they're built. But then seeing my waist shrink in like that to me was always like, okay, I'm in a really good spot right there.
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Justin Andrews
Well, to the earlier one, I would think too. Like, it's probably rare to see your strength go up with lifting weights, but if you actually see yourself getting stronger in terms of body weight exercises, that would make a lot of sense.
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Amanda
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
And you'd see that pretty easily doing pull ups and dips and I always noticed that. But like actually increasing strength because again, you're preserving strength but now you're losing weight overall, so that would, your reps are going up.
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Amanda
Yeah, Strength to weight ratio is more important if you're advanced. So if you've been lifting for a while and then you go in a calorie deficit, it's normal to Lose strength if you're a beginner. So our clients, when we would start training, clients early, early on, they'd all get stronger as they got leaner right out the gates because they got those kind of gains. Yes, if you're experienced. This is very, like, for me, if I were to try and get. Yeah, it's very super shredded. I'm gonna get weaker because I'm always pushing the max. But what I would look at then is strength to weight ratio. If I lost 20 pounds of body fat, or 20 pounds, I should say, on the scale, but my squat only goes down ten pounds, I'm doing pretty damn good. My strength to weight ratio is better, actually went up. Now for the waist one. I like the waist to do waist circumference measurements because this is a place where you don't tend to gain a lot of muscle. Like, even if you develop your abs and your obliques, you're not going to gain inches of muscle around your waist. They just, those muscles don't hypertrophy in that way. So if you lose weight on the scale and you're losing a lot of inches, you're probably losing mostly body fat. The only other, the only time this may happen and not lose body fat is if your, if your digestion improves, if you're less bloated. So this would be a little trickier in my opinion, with female clients. With male clients, though, like, I actually preferred waist circumference measurements over any other measurement to measure their progress of fat loss. Because with men, it's like your waist is going to get small if you're, if your waist is going down along with the scale. Like, we're burning body fat. But if you lost £15 and you only lose an inch on your waist, okay, we should have probably lost more inches around your waist. You know what's going on. So wastes are. In fact, there's, there's data that shows that you could relatively accurately predict body fat percentage in men with just the weight with the waist circumference. Now the next one, this one is, I think, more important for women to understand because what I'm about to say tends to confuse women when they're working out in the gym. So if you're doing things right, if you're strength training and you're getting leaner and you're losing body fat, you're not losing muscle, or maybe you're gaining muscle at the same time. This tends to either freak women out or confuse them or derail them because they'll get, they're A little lighter, they're leaner. But my butt feels bigger, My back feels bigger, My pants feel bigger. What is going on here? Am I gaining body fat? I don't like the fact I would have female clients sometimes tell me they don't stop strength training because they feel like they're getting too big. No, that's your butt, your muscle. Those muscles will grow, will change the shape of your body. And women's clothing in particular is not designed for women with any kind of muscle. What? Not just not. You don't have to look like a body, but you just have any muscle whatsoever. And suddenly your traditional jeans or whatever feel like they're tight around the glutes, and your shirts will feel tight around the back.
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Justin Andrews
Clients out.
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Amanda
Yes.
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Justin Andrews
Just like anytime focused on the scale for what's happening, like the. The way that their clothes fit, it is going to inevitably change. And you're going to go through this. A bit of a metamorphosis in terms of where you're, you know, you're going to gain that bit of muscle which is going to push and shape the. The genes are going to have to kind of taper and alter to that. So it's like you're gonna have to end up going shopping. I mean, that's the end of the day. Like, that's what's gonna have to happen.
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Sal Di Stefano
I feel like the. It's really the combo of all three of these, of what I'm kind of looking at totally right? Like, I know that I'm probably gonna lose a little bit of strength, but I want to be able to maintain as much as I possibly can, because I know that if I maintain as much as I possibly can, there's a good chance I'm hanging my muscle. I definitely want to see my waist come in, but then when I think about my muscles, my glutes, legs, arms, I want to see them maybe even gaining in size or circumstance or at least looking really good and defined. And so I'm kind of using all three of those combined to let me know. Like, and this is assuming I don't have the tools or I'm not between body fat measurements, right? Like, say I'm measuring body fat every month, but I'm kind of paying attention to these things between those times, and I'm kind of watching all those. And that's what I want to see. I want to see waist shrinking, but I want to see defined and muscular still. I want to be able to hang on to as much strength as I possibly can. And these are all Ways to kind of make sure I'm heading down the right path and any of them swinging way out is the cause for. Okay, wait, let me dive in a little bit to what I'm doing. Am I under consuming? Am I doing too much? Am I not doing enough? Like, watching all three though together to me is like the best barometer on how well I'm progressing.
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Amanda
Or not totally. Because the scale is. Is by itself, is. Is a terrible metric for a lot of people, especially if you're strength training simultaneously. Speaking of shrinking waist, you know what is coming back in fashion or. Or to say it better is now becoming a trend again in the gyms. I thought we killed this. I thought we killed this stupid trend when we started the podcast, but it seems to be making a comeback. Our editor Danny inform me. And I'm also seeing it in the gyms, wearing weight belts, waist trainers, did they ever die? For a little while there, I think if you were wearing one, people would be like, oh, you shouldn't be wearing that. But you're seeing them more now. And Danny's like, oh, yeah, I'm seeing this a lot in the female fitness space. Start to become a thing now.
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Sal Di Stefano
Cause I feel like we came out so strong about that that you and shamed everybody. That it. But it was still going on. But you just, you weren't talking about, like there was almost. There was a point when I was first competing early on, right? Early MP days, you know, there was men's physique, guys showing off their screams, you know, taking pictures in the mirror, wearing their screams, you know, as if it was like a badge of honor or something. So I definitely think we moved from that, right? We definitely, I think we shame them enough to know that you definitely shouldn't be bragging about it. If you're doing it, you shouldn't be doing it at all. So I think it kind of like, I don't know, suppressed it a little bit, but it seems like it's always been there to me. I feel like it. People still be doing that shit.
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Amanda
So for people who don't know what they are. So waist trainers, or squeams as they're known, is essentially it's a wide corset looking kind of weight belt like thing that you wear on your waist. And what they'll say is if you wear this for hours at a time, I think people wore them like eight or ten. All day long.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, all day.
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Amanda
It will shrink your waist. Now what's happening when you wear these, by the way, is it's no different. It's no different than me wearing a cast around my arm.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Amanda
So if I wore a cast around my arm, it's going to get smaller because I'm going to atrophy the muscle. I'm losing muscle. And so what these are doing is they're causing people to lose muscle around their core. So their spinal erector muscles, their obliques, internal, external, their abs.
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Justin Andrews
So they're killing their support system for their back.
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Amanda
They're also losing functionality, not just from the muscles shrinking, but also because they're being supported. So your body learns how to use this support and stop supporting itself on one of the most vulnerable places in your body, which is your low back. Also, if you are in fitness and you're doing anything to make yourself purposely lose function and strength and muscle, it's so antithesis. Antithesis to what we do. It's so frustrating and annoying. I can't believe it. But don't make. Don't make your muscles around your core atrophy. What are you doing? And what are you going to lose an inch and then become weaker and your injury risk. I know. I know a young lady who got a blockage, right? She got an adhesion in her lower intestine because she wore. And she wore it so tight that she had to get surgery and have some of her.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's actually more common than you would think that happened. I knew several bikini athletes that happened to.
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Amanda
Really? Yeah, that's dangerous.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, no kidding.
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Amanda
That's a. That's a natural emergency.
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Sal Di Stefano
I mean, it's. It's. Yeah, it's up there with some of the stupidest things that we do in our space. It's definitely up there. I mean, we've done a lot of dumb things, right? I mean, guys chewing with dynamite and stuff like that to lose. We do some other dumb stuff like.
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Amanda
What are you talking about? There's a fat burning compound that's used and made. That's used in the making of Dynamite that bodybuilders found sped up their metabolism. So they're taking.
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Sal Di Stefano
Oh, my God. Yeah.
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Amanda
What's it called again?
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Sal Di Stefano
I forgot what it was called.
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Amanda
Oh, God. What is that?
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Sal Di Stefano
It was popular. I mean, I think it's still a thing.
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Amanda
Dude. I know a guy, we did an episode Crazy years ago about that, and a guy approached me at the gym. He's like, dude, I tried that. I'm like, what was it like? He goes, you take it. Then you sit in your room, it's.
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Sal Di Stefano
Like an inferno, right?
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Amanda
You sweat and you have a terrible Fever and you sweat yellow and. Yeah, he's like.
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Sal Di Stefano
You feel like you're gonna belts you internally.
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Amanda
Yes, dude. It's called. What's it called, Doug?
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Adam Schaefer
Dinner Trophy.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Amanda
Oh, dmp.
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Sal Di Stefano
Dmp. Yeah.
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Amanda
Right now, somebody listening?
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Sal Di Stefano
Don't do that stuff. No, yeah, I know. I mean, we're. I mean, we're notorious for. We, as in the fitness nuts, right, like, are notorious for doing really ridiculous stuff in the pursuit of looking a certain way.
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Amanda
But this, the whole, like, wearing the waist trainer and then I see people not working out on them, and it's so. It's like atrophying and weakening any part of your body isn't a good idea because you're going to. Well, it's just. Obviously, it's obvious. I think. I don't think I need to explain it, but especially your lumbar spine area.
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Sal Di Stefano
Well, this is why I've always.
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Amanda
I know you're gonna slip a disc or you're gonna really potentially cause it so you can never work out again.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, this is why I've always. I've always made the argument. And I know there's. There's people that. That are real athletes that get offended by calling bodybuilders and bikini people athletes, but that's probably. But this is why.
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Justin Andrews
One reason right there, there's.
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Sal Di Stefano
This is why, though I say they are, is because. And I say it because it's a sport and sports aren't healthy for the body. And yet we still highlight, you know, women's bikini, men's physique, bodybuilders as health people. And they're just not. They're. They're way not. They're. They're. They're more like an athlete who's willing to do whatever it takes to win at their sport or get the competitive.
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Amanda
Edge, whatever the rules are.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, whatever. Whatever it is to get the competitive edge, regardless if it shaves years off their life or isn't healthy for them, it doesn't matter when it all costs. And so for that reason, I think it is a lot like sports, and it's definitely more like sports than it is like health. But we put these people on a pedestal as if they're great examples of health and they really aren't and they shouldn't be. And I. And I don't know if it's. We put them on there that much or they present themselves like they are.
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Justin Andrews
It's a good point. I mean, it's as stupid as putting a helmet on, slamming it into somebody else's head. And you know, thinking that yours can be okay. You know, like doing that. Obviously you're not going to be okay. You're setting yourself up for long term damage, so. But it's the perception in the public is the one. The thing that we have to address because they do. They are propped up like they're these examples of health and that, you know, we're putting them on magazines and we're, you know, idolizing their process of getting to a point where their body looks so symmetrically put together.
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Amanda
It's funny because in the. In the. God, in the couple hundred years, 150 years ago, 100 years ago, women wore corsets and they had special couches that they made for women that were. I don't know what they call them, fainting couches. You know, the whole. Yeah, so like the. Like you watch old cartoons and you'd see women. Oh, and they'd faint. They actually used to faint because they wore corsets that were so tight they couldn't breathe. That's right. And so it was a thing that women would faint from these things that.
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Justin Andrews
They would wear a little low glycemic.
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Amanda
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think they even. They lined them with like, what they lined with like a whale bone or something like that. Yeah, yeah. To make them super, super stiff.
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Sal Di Stefano
You know, since you guys brought up, we're talking about fashion. It's so funny that you went this direction because I actually had something in my notes to bring up that is along this line. I thought, I have no idea where this is going to fit in this conversation. Here you go. Perfect spot. Way to go. Thank you for the.
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Amanda
You're welcome.
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Sal Di Stefano
The layup there. So have you guys heard of look up this for the guys, Doug Slavics Fashion S L A V I K S. I believe I spelled that right. And it's fashioned by Balenciaga.
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Amanda
Isn't Balenciaga like, satanic?
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, they're the ones that got all the. All the attention for all that crazy stuff that was going on with Kanye.
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Amanda
What points to, like the, The. The demon ball.
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Sal Di Stefano
I just thought this was crazy. Okay, So I know that this isn't like our thing. Right. We don't talk fashion on this podcast. But Balenciaga is a really high end. Like, you know, I remember that. Okay, so Slavic fashion is like the. A huge line of Balenciaga that sells for ridiculous amounts of money. And it was inspired by a homeless guy. And so this is Zoolander come full circle. So there is this. There is this homeless guy, Slavic. There he is right there. He's got an entire Instagram page built around him. And he. He. All this is obviously found out of a dumpster and just clothes that he's.
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Amanda
Oh, wow. So it's literally a picture of him and his homeless attire.
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Sal Di Stefano
And then what the. And then what the models ended up wearing. So the. So it's. They. You. They completely were inspired by the way he dressed every day.
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Amanda
I hope they pay him create. No, this poor dude is still homeless.
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Sal Di Stefano
Look at. No, he's disappeared. They can't find. That's why. Actually, I think the reason why the article came up.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, what was.
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Sal Di Stefano
I think they haven't been able to find him for a long time, but if Doug keeps scrolling.
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Justin Andrews
Fashionable bum ever.
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Amanda
Wow. Look at the pictures. Look at the one right there on the right. They're all from the very right in the middle there with the shirt open in the middle.
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Sal Di Stefano
Is that wild or what? And so you've got these people paying ridiculous amount of money all by a homeless guy who used to dig in the trash and put these outfits together, and then they made all these lines. Isn't that wild?
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Amanda
There's something unnerving about this right here. You know what I mean? A little twisted.
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Sal Di Stefano
It's hella twisted.
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Amanda
Like, you see some.
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Sal Di Stefano
And it totally is. And it is zoo. Yeah, it is Zoolander all over again.
- [25:59]
Justin Andrews
It for sure is a Zoolander.
- [26:02]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, I. I almost feel like. Too. It's like whoever came up with this is like, listen, we could do that. We could totally just, you know, make a whole line. And people are dumb enough to buy this.
- [26:13]
Amanda
Do you guys remember there was an episode of Saved by the Bell where. Because. Who was it popular? The girl that was popular on Kelly. It was Kelly. They were like, you could wear anything, and everybody's in worth the next day. And she wore pizza on her head.
- [26:25]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [26:26]
Amanda
And everybody started wearing pizza on their head.
- [26:27]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes.
- [26:28]
Amanda
Do you guys think that fashion really isn't about what looks good? It's really just about a bunch of really popular people that are like, we're gonna make this.
- [26:36]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, I agree.
- [26:36]
Justin Andrews
You make it a thing.
- [26:37]
Sal Di Stefano
I definitely. I mean, you guys. You guys probably don't pay attention to this either.
- [26:40]
Amanda
It's a bunch of copycats.
- [26:41]
Sal Di Stefano
So the. The NBA. Doug can look this up too, because you guys will get a laugh. Look at NBA fashion and you'll see. So it's become very popular for all the cameras and everything to video the players as LeBron James, you know, shows up to, you know, the Memphis Grizzlies. Game and it's him showing up off the, you know, off the bus or the plane or whatever like that. And what they're wearing is turned into like a. Almost like a Runway thing. They make a big deal about it. And every athlete's always wear and the stuff that they be wearing is. Look up Kyle Kuzma. Look at his fashion. Go to. No, don't do an Instagram page like that. Come on, Doug, go to, go to Google Kyle Kuzma images. Yeah, there you go. Fashion. And, and, and you can see. Look at that. Look at that sweater he's wearing on the top left. This was, this was an outfit last year. He got cover guy on GQ for it. Cut on GQ for that. Can you click it? Doug, top left.
- [27:38]
Amanda
If he wasn't a famous basketball player.
- [27:41]
Sal Di Stefano
That'S a real outfit, bro.
- [27:42]
Justin Andrews
Oversized sweater.
- [27:44]
Amanda
That's what my two year old looked like the other day. She put on my shirt.
- [27:46]
Sal Di Stefano
But they, I mean, so it's every night, every night of the NBA, there's like these outfits that they come out in and they are. It's like who can wear the most ridiculous thing that people will bite off of and start wearing?
- [27:59]
Justin Andrews
And it's funny.
- [28:01]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't know. I think it's like this inside.
- [28:03]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, they're probably having their own competition of like how absurd and ridiculous.
- [28:06]
Sal Di Stefano
I feel like if I was like crazy famous like this with my buddies, I'd be like, hey, dude. Yeah, listen.
- [28:14]
Amanda
Yeah, we're all, we all were, you know, teenagers of the 90s.
- [28:17]
Justin Andrews
Shower caps.
- [28:17]
Amanda
We were all teenagers of the 90s. You guys remember crisscross where they came out and their style was. People don't remember this.
- [28:25]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay, here's, here's a little bit different though. I think that time and okay, maybe this is just me being biased and defending my era. It was like a sign of rebellion. Like it was being rebellious to wear your clothes backwards or to wear something baggy. That was. It was more of like a. Where it's not rebellious anymore. There's nothing rebellious. It can' like you do because no one cares what you do anymore.
- [28:48]
Justin Andrews
Super ridiculous. Yeah, everybody's super ridiculous now. So like being normal is. Is wild.
- [28:53]
Amanda
It's all. It's always going to be painted as rebellious. Fashion's always going to be that way. But my point with crisscross was here are some, some k. They were young hip hop artists. They were kids and they literally wore their pants and shirts backwards. And it started a short trend.
- [29:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:09]
Amanda
For like a year or two, my.
- [29:11]
Justin Andrews
Friends did it for like a year.
- [29:12]
Amanda
Or two we'd go to school and people were wearing overalls and jeans backwards.
- [29:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [29:17]
Amanda
I really think, I feel, I almost feel like there's like these little puppet masters at the top and they just love to see how stupid everybody is. Hey, yeah, we're making more of their stuff backwards.
- [29:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. They're trying to start a trend because then the trend gets them more traction which then sells more albums and you know, gets people to go to their concerts. So I mean it's to their benefit if they have like a full look on top of also selling like their music.
- [29:42]
Sal Di Stefano
So it's like a massive troll.
- [29:43]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:44]
Amanda
Yes.
- [29:44]
Justin Andrews
That's a big. That was a big part of the entertainment industry was like trying to hack into that like this the psychology where kids would just, you know, buy into the whole thing.
- [29:54]
Amanda
God, I almost feel like they just do it to just like hey, watch all these. Watch all these idiots worship.
- [29:59]
Sal Di Stefano
That's.
- [29:59]
Amanda
Make them wear whatever we want.
- [30:00]
Sal Di Stefano
I do think it's. Sure. I mean I and I. Like I said, I said if we were at that place. Right. And let's. You're. You're already filthy rich or all this, all this attention so that you got nothing better to do. You know, let's troll everybody. Let's see what we could wear and see whose thing will be more trendy and get picked up on. So.
- [30:16]
Justin Andrews
But I'm, I'm always like astounded that ever since like so Jordan shoes like they came out and it became a thing and then ever since then shoes have sucked. Like it just had like a terrible like way too wild. Way too like nothing was like classically designed. There's like a period that was like really like good looking things that were like classic, like normal. And then it just got like I'm wondering if it's gonna come back.
- [30:42]
Sal Di Stefano
So. I used to feel the same way too, Justin. I don't know if that's true as much as what we see now. We're. We're so inundated with so much stuff now because let's. Some of the most popular shoes cycle the fashion. Listen are. Are Chucks.
- [30:55]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [30:55]
Amanda
That's.
- [30:55]
Justin Andrews
That's why my point is they stayed.
- [30:57]
Sal Di Stefano
Stan Smith are some of the most popular shoes. And those are tennis. They're. They're 1970s, you know, white. You've seen me wear mine before that are just solid white shoes. So like there's still very simple design. Super popular. It's just. I think there's so much. And you. And you see the wild and crazy. And so it feels like it went all bad, but it's like there's still that lane that if you want that type of stuff, it still exists.
- [31:24]
Amanda
There's a period of time where having a tan was not considered attractive at all. And I think it was the sick. I want to say the 60s, late 50s, the Gotham era. No, no, no, no. Where some.
- [31:37]
Justin Andrews
It was all pasty.
- [31:38]
Sal Di Stefano
Where this is in like China and Japan. It's always been that way, right?
- [31:41]
Amanda
Yes.
- [31:41]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, it has been.
- [31:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. That's because you're somebody who works in the field. If you had a tan.
- [31:46]
Amanda
Right. Well, even here, everywhere, like, like you didn't want to have a tan. But. But there was a time period where period cinema actors were going on vacation in the Mediterranean, coming back, doing movies, so they had this tan and it became trendy. Now looking, now having a tan is like a good thing. People like to go layout.
- [32:03]
Sal Di Stefano
Is that your theory on why it got popular?
- [32:05]
Amanda
That is why it is, yeah. That is why. That's, like, proven, you know, really American cinema.
- [32:10]
Sal Di Stefano
Because I don't, I don't, I don't. Obviously, I don't remember.
- [32:12]
Amanda
Well, tans were always for us. We. We grew up where tans were looking good. It was, I think in the 50s, I want to say, when this started happening where, you know, people come back from vacations, these, These celebrities.
- [32:23]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [32:24]
Amanda
And it became this, like, you know, this thing or whatever.
- [32:27]
Justin Andrews
That was funny because that's like one of the big buttons that, like, kids would make fun of you. Like, oh, you, you know, you're a ghost. You're like, oh, my God. Every other. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, it was never popular when I grew up.
- [32:42]
Sal Di Stefano
I definitely want. I definitely want to give. You deserve it, too. You've definitely won the fifth grade picture.
- [32:48]
Amanda
Yeah, dude. First of all, talking all kinds of crap. I get a terrible picture. I pull out my worst.
- [32:53]
Sal Di Stefano
Wait a second, wait a second. I mean, I have. I had a bullet. Crooked teeth in my hat, halfway up.
- [32:59]
Amanda
You were adorable. You just had a little.
- [33:01]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I mean, I was good looking. You know what I'm saying? I was a good looking kid. You can't take that away from.
- [33:05]
Amanda
I was a good look, cute kid. He looked normal.
- [33:07]
Sal Di Stefano
Justin looked to like, leave it to a normal kid.
- [33:11]
Justin Andrews
That's why it was. I, I hated it.
- [33:12]
Amanda
I look like Michael Jackson had a baby with it. Tech support.
- [33:16]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, you definitely. You definitely won. You got the best. You had the best. Comments on Instagram were so good.
- [33:22]
Justin Andrews
Shocking.
- [33:23]
Sal Di Stefano
You were Like, I swear I gave that kid a dollar a day.
- [33:27]
Amanda
I love that. I don't care. It's a good time.
- [33:30]
Sal Di Stefano
My mom respect for putting cuz you reached out to her first. So she sent me a bunch of other ones. And so I have you. Yeah, I just. I didn't even remember half of these pictures I'm looking at. I'm going, oh, wow. I so. But looking at all them, I still think that one is the. I think I look the goofiest with my hat.
- [33:47]
Justin Andrews
I feel like I should have put my leprechaun one out there.
- [33:49]
Amanda
Please.
- [33:50]
Justin Andrews
I told you guys, like, I was the only kid in school that had to go to school as a leprechaun on St. Patrick's yeah, he showed up dressed up. I was like, I was very confused.
- [33:58]
Sal Di Stefano
And you have pictures of that?
- [34:00]
Justin Andrews
I have it.
- [34:00]
Amanda
So how old are you? What grade?
- [34:02]
Justin Andrews
Oh, that had to be around like fourth, fifth grade.
- [34:04]
Amanda
Oh, that's not a good time to do that.
- [34:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, wow. Doug pulled up the so in the 1920s. Oh, it was a Chanel return from.
- [34:11]
Amanda
That's what it was. Okay. So I had it mixed up.
- [34:13]
Sal Di Stefano
Have you seen that? There's a good documentary on Coco Chanel. I forget what it was called.
- [34:17]
Amanda
Mediterranean Cruise. I had all of it right. Except for the date.
- [34:20]
Sal Di Stefano
Did you?
- [34:20]
Amanda
Yeah, I did. I said they went on vacation in the Mediterranean.
- [34:23]
Adam Schaefer
Coco Chanel.
- [34:24]
Amanda
Oh, I did. You gotta listen to me sometimes.
- [34:28]
Adam Schaefer
I have not seen the documentary.
- [34:30]
Sal Di Stefano
Adam, you have it.
- [34:31]
Adam Schaefer
I have not.
- [34:32]
Sal Di Stefano
There's a good documentary. Maybe. Maybe Don can look up what it's called.
- [34:36]
Amanda
Hey, you know, as you're looking that up, I want to find. I want to bring something up because this whole GLP1 thing, which is. It's still exploding. Right. I think my earlier what I said, I'm going to stand by. I think about 60 to 70% of Americans are going to be on one at some point. But what's happening is you have a lot of people who really aren't good candidates for GLP1s but want help with fat loss. And so I'm getting all these questions.
- [35:01]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [35:01]
Amanda
And they're like, well, you know, I want to lose, you know, 10 pounds or I want to drop 5% body fat. You know, so I'm going to start on a GLP1. I'm like, there's better peptides for you. For example, a GLP1 is good if you are very overweight and you struggle for a long time. And it's. It's very, very challenging for you. And you combine it with a good approach high protein diet, you don't have.
- [35:21]
Justin Andrews
A good handle on your cravings.
- [35:23]
Amanda
I think that, I think it could be very helpful. You want to drop 5% body fat, lose 10 pounds of body, you know, 10 pounds of body fat or whatever. Use the growth hormone releasing peptides.
- [35:34]
Sal Di Stefano
Tessa Morland.
- [35:35]
Amanda
Tessa Marilyn is probably my favorite one. And then on that note people will ask me about Ibutamorin which raises growth IGF1 quite a bit. That one's really good. That's better for bulking, it's better for building muscle because it raises appetite.
- [35:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I love that one.
- [35:50]
Amanda
Yeah. Ibutamorin RA is a and it makes.
- [35:52]
Sal Di Stefano
You sleep like a baby.
- [35:53]
Amanda
Yeah. It mimics ghrelin and it raises growth hormone or IGF1 the most. But your appetite will go up. A testameralin won't raise your appetite but it raises growth hormone. Those are much more appropriate for people for fat loss when they're in that range. Oh, I'll drop, you know, go from 15% to 10% body fat or something like that.
- [36:10]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [36:11]
Amanda
Those peptides can definitely make a difference with your current strategy because as your growth hormone goes up you'll build a little muscle and but mostly burn more body fat through the process.
- [36:20]
Sal Di Stefano
I'm glad you said that because I've seen quite a few people that only need to lose 10 or 15 pounds.
- [36:25]
Amanda
Yes. They don't go on a GLP1 or.
- [36:27]
Sal Di Stefano
Are using it for that. I think that, I think the, the best candidate is somebody who has a 20 plus minimum. Okay, 20 plus pounds that they need to lose. They're also self aware enough to know that they have, they struggle with restricting from certain foods they binge eat, you know what I'm saying? They have the late night snacking issues or the food that they're addicted to and they're aware that they are and they've just had a hard time breaking that because to me that breaking that attachment and allowing it to create space from that addiction to that food to me is, is the, the biggest game changer for people that allows those people to go in, do the work, create good habits later on. Then they and it gives them that, I don't know that breathing room to separate them from that, that crazy addiction, you know. And so to me that those are the, the people who are like oh, I put on a little weight from the, from the holidays lean for summer. Yeah, yeah, this is going to go.
- [37:25]
Amanda
On a growth hormone releasing peptide. That'll do it for you. That'll help you the GOP one's too strong. There's no need for you to go on, on those for, you know, for those kind of results. By the way, there's a lot of, I still have to bring this up every time because you can go online and there's a lot of quote unquote research chemical companies that are selling these peptides through this gray market kind of loophole where it says not for human consumption, it's for research purposes only. And so people are buying them and using those. And I gotta warn you, you don't know what's in there. You don't know what's in there. If they're off by a little bit, you'll still get some results, but you don't know what else is happening in your body. And some of these have been tested and they've been contaminated or whatever. You don't know what you're putting your body. So go through like our partners@mphormones.com that is 3A, you know, FDA regulated pharmacy, doctor prescribed, it's not research chemicals, so you don't even know where it's coming from type of deal.
- [38:22]
Justin Andrews
Have you guys watched cable in a while? Like just with commercials and yeah, not.
- [38:27]
Amanda
Since I was in hotel.
- [38:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I was like just recently watching, I think it was like Anchorman 2 or something was on TV and we had to sit through the commercials and it was five, if not six medical commercials for, yeah, for drugs.
- [38:43]
Sal Di Stefano
80.
- [38:44]
Justin Andrews
I was like, 80, this is still happening. Do you think that we're gonna see any kind of change in that direction?
- [38:51]
Amanda
I think so. I hope so.
- [38:53]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean we're one of so bad, we're one of only a few countries that even allows that like most, most other countries don't even allow, you know.
- [39:01]
Amanda
And no, there's only one other for people wondering. So I, I, this was really made clear to me. RFK was on a podcast and broke this down and it makes perfect sense. Why would pharmaceutical companies advertise to people who can't buy the drug? They have to still go through the doctor. What's the advertising for? And you think, well, it's to ask your doctor about it. No, the messaging, it's because they control 70 plus percent of the advertising revenue of these networks. That's why they put all these commercials on there. Because when you're a Cable network and 70% of your revenue is coming from a pharmaceutical company, you're gonna be a little bit worried.
- [39:37]
Sal Di Stefano
Or should I say New Zealand Are the only two, the only two in the entire world that Allows that dude speaking. Everybody else dominates.
- [39:46]
Justin Andrews
It's corrupt.
- [39:47]
Amanda
Speaking of which, I wasn't, I wasn't sure about bringing this up. This is just one study, so everybody relax. But it's a big study.
- [39:53]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, God. You're going to bring up the one that Dave Asprey just.
- [39:55]
Amanda
No. Well, he shared it and it's a, it's a large. This was just released.
- [39:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Did you dig into it a little bit?
- [40:00]
Amanda
I did. This was just released. So this is going to be flying, everybody, everywhere. This is the title of the article. Vaccination and neurodevelopmental disorders. A study of nine year old children enrolled in Medicaid. 47,000. Nine year old children that they followed through Medicaid, 47,000. So it's a big group. Big group. The results suggest that the current vaccination schedule is contributing to multiple forms of neural development disorders, including autism. If this study is correct, if what this data shows is accurate, this would mean that about 80% of autism could be related or connected to the vaccination schedule. But this is all, you know, neurodevelopmental disorders, including add. So this one's gonna be. This is crazy. It's peer reviewed. It's a big one and I'm sure it's gonna be flying. There's gonna be a lot of controversy around this one.
- [40:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Tons of controversy.
- [41:00]
Amanda
Yes.
- [41:00]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I was worried to be examined.
- [41:02]
Sal Di Stefano
For sure, even bringing that up because people, Boy, people get really pissed about that.
- [41:05]
Amanda
I know.
- [41:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Get really, really pissed about that.
- [41:07]
Amanda
I know.
- [41:07]
Justin Andrews
Less than the messaging forever. You know, it's. You can't question it.
- [41:11]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, the amount, the amount. I mean, the amount of vaccines that the kids take now is crazy. Compared to what? Even just our generation.
- [41:18]
Amanda
Well, I have a family member. I won't say too much because I don't call them out, but I have a family member who gets really upset over this stuff. And, and, and now there's a lot of people that get really upset because. And I get this as a parent, when you make a decision for your child and if, if you start to maybe either someone present to you something or you realize that maybe the decision you made contributed to something that they're suffering from. Your instinct, natural instinct, is going to be defended tooth and nail because what a terrible realization to have, you know, that you did something that might have hurt your kid. Oh, that's a tough one. That's a really, really hard one, you know, and you can't escape it. By the way, as a parent, you're gonna think this anyway. Like, no matter what, you're gonna look back and be like, oh, I messed up my kids somehow doing this thing or that thing or whatever. But this one, I think this is why it's such a divisive, you know.
- [42:09]
Justin Andrews
Well, I know there's been a lot of, like, safety trials that they've examined the past. I know. Like, so RFK's book, like, exposed some of this and talked about it with Fauci and ended up suing Fauci in one. Because they didn't present any of those safety trials.
- [42:27]
Amanda
Wow.
- [42:27]
Justin Andrews
Because they didn't have any proof. And it's like, if people really want to look into it, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered.
- [42:36]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [42:36]
Justin Andrews
So that's. That's where I'm at. I'm not, like, trying to throw shade on everybody and making their decisions, but be informed.
- [42:42]
Amanda
Yeah. If this study is accurate and they. They start to dive. Dive in and start to really make these connections, oh, man, it's going to be. It'll be disrupting, to say the least, to culture because of how long we've gone down that road. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what that would cost.
- [43:00]
Sal Di Stefano
Do you remember, Doug, do you remember how many, like, when you were a kid, like, how many vaccine shots that you were required to take before school? And do you know where we're at now, Sal, in comparison?
- [43:09]
Amanda
You can look it up, bro. It's the difference.
- [43:10]
Adam Schaefer
Very few.
- [43:11]
Amanda
The difference is very big.
- [43:13]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [43:14]
Amanda
Yeah. For us, when we were kids. Forget Doug. When we were kids.
- [43:17]
Sal Di Stefano
I know. That's right.
- [43:18]
Amanda
So the vaccine schedule ramped up in the 80s versus today or whatever when.
- [43:22]
Sal Di Stefano
When Max was born. And they told me, I like, my jaw dropped on how many. I'm like, that many. We're supposed to do over the next year. That's crazy. How many?
- [43:31]
Amanda
Yeah, it's. It's just a lot different. It's just a lot different.
- [43:33]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [43:34]
Amanda
But, you know, the problem, too, is there's so many things that are so different that, like, how do you point to one thing or the other? But this. This study was, you know, kind of an interesting one. There was that one group, too, in Southern California, I can't remember, that were. I think it was Southern California where they saw, for the first time ever, a drop in autism, which we don't. We don't see anymore among this group of children.
- [43:55]
Sal Di Stefano
Were they attributed to.
- [43:56]
Amanda
It was a wealthy part. I think it was la. It might have been LA or San Francisco. It was a wealthy part. Of California, where all these parents were not vaccinating their kids, and they saw, which you don't see again, dropping rates of autism.
- [44:13]
Sal Di Stefano
Really?
- [44:13]
Amanda
Yes. And I can't remember the place. I can't remember where it was, but you could find it.
- [44:18]
Sal Di Stefano
You pull those numbers up, Doug.
- [44:19]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [44:20]
Adam Schaefer
So in the 80s, it looked like there's just a handful, maybe six or seven. Yeah, there's a schedule here.
- [44:28]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't even remember that many. Yeah, I remember, like, two.
- [44:32]
Amanda
Yeah, no, today it's like.
- [44:34]
Adam Schaefer
I mean, it's diphtheria, tetanus.
- [44:36]
Amanda
Today. It's like, yeah, there's a crazy amount now. Yeah.
- [44:41]
Sal Di Stefano
And then what is today? Do you have today's up or not? Oh, let me pull that up.
- [44:44]
Amanda
Yeah, it's. It's. It's. I, I. There was a chart that I pulled up once that had one versus the other, and it was. I mean, it was. It was insane.
- [44:53]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [44:54]
Adam Schaefer
There's a chart here, and it's. It's pretty crazy.
- [44:57]
Podcast Lover
If I can pull it up.
- [44:58]
Amanda
Yeah, it's a lot. There you go. Yeah. There's dose, dose, dose, dose, dose, dose, dose. Yeah. What is that total up to?
- [45:08]
Adam Schaefer
This is just for childhood, too.
- [45:09]
Sal Di Stefano
Through 18 months. Yeah.
- [45:12]
Adam Schaefer
15 months.
- [45:13]
Amanda
15.
- [45:13]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that's what I remember. I remember seeing the. The thing, and I'm like, nah. You know what people don't know, too, though, is like, you could postpone this. Like, you could. Like, they make you feel like you have to do all this stuff right now, right away. You absolutely.
- [45:26]
Amanda
You can delay them. I think this.
- [45:27]
Sal Di Stefano
I delayed all his stuff.
- [45:28]
Amanda
This, plus Covid, are the two leading reasons why homeschooling has exploded. Is these. These two things right here. Yeah. In California, seen an explosion in homeschooling because we just. They really clamped down on these laws and said, no, now you can't have an exemptions. So I have cousins whose daughters have exemptions for real reasons, and they had to pull them out of school because they're like, nope, no more exemption.
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Sal Di Stefano
Now. How do we compare to other countries?
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Amanda
That's a good question. I think it's. I think we're.
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Sal Di Stefano
I imagine we're the highest. Oh, we imagine we are.
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Amanda
Yeah. I mean, that's a good question. There's a lot of money in that.
- [46:03]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [46:04]
Amanda
And they're not. And they can't. There's a limit to what they can, like, lawsuits. I know that we passed the law in the 80s.
- [46:09]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, that's.
- [46:09]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. That's why you saw so many.
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Amanda
Mm.
- [46:11]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [46:12]
Amanda
So anyway. All right. I'm gonna take a turn.
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Sal Di Stefano
Wait, wait. While we're scaring people, let's stay on this real quick.
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Amanda
That's the one. So autism rates in California declined in wealthy counties. Santa Clara, Monterey, Marin and Sonoma. And they went in and found that there were a lot of. These are like the crunchy wealthy, you know, Californians who are just like, no, I'm not here.
- [46:33]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, surprise.
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Amanda
Yeah, that's the one that was, that.
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Sal Di Stefano
I was talking about. So. Okay, so while we're continuing to scare people, did you see the lawsuit that Apple's got going on right now?
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Amanda
No.
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Justin Andrews
No.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, yeah, from the, the wristbands. It was.
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Amanda
Oh, is it all the forever chemicals in the Apple watch wristband?
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Justin Andrews
In the watch?
- [46:52]
Amanda
Yes, the wristbands.
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Sal Di Stefano
Oh, great.
- [46:55]
Adam Schaefer
I've worn one for a long time.
- [46:57]
Justin Andrews
You know what? I got a rash and I stopped wearing it.
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Sal Di Stefano
Like, no lawsuits for Rolex. I don't see none of that. Oh, you Apple watch.
- [47:06]
Justin Andrews
Gold in my veins.
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Amanda
All you Apple watch shorts.
- [47:12]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, pull it up. I want to know.
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Amanda
It's the plastic, right?
- [47:15]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, yeah. Forever chemicals is what the. What the what the article, our article says on that. I mean, can't, can't you pretty much get that from almost any plastic? Anything, Right?
- [47:25]
Amanda
Lots of plastic.
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Justin Andrews
And they're trying to make it. So it's that, that type of plastic that doesn't cause like a reaction in your skin. That was the biggest thing. Yeah, lots of PFAs.
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Sal Di Stefano
So I, so I have a, I have a sister in law who works for them and gave Katrina and I both Apple watches. So I thought, oh, you know, I'll wear it for my steps for a while. And so I don't know if you remember, there was a short period where I wore it on my opposite hand. Right. Part of what made me stop was I actually got this like little rash.
- [47:53]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I got it.
- [47:54]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. I said I already don't like this stupid thing and it's giving me a rash. That was an easy. Throw it in the trash. No thanks. Yeah, so that's interesting that. So what does it say?
- [48:05]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, so they're facing a lawsuit over watch bands containing potential cancer causing chemicals. Pf. What do they call them? Pfas.
- [48:13]
Amanda
Pfas.
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Sal Di Stefano
Now do you think that just because it's Apple and it's getting all this attention Because I would think almost any plastic made watch. Sure would be, of course, but it's like targeted. Yeah, I'm sure. Right.
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Amanda
I heard that some of the worst plastics that you could use are black or dark plastics. Especially the Kind you get from restaurant for your leftovers. Don't warm food up in those.
- [48:37]
Sal Di Stefano
Oh, really?
- [48:38]
Amanda
Yeah, it was Rhonda Patrick was talking about it and she said that will. That'll just flood your food.
- [48:43]
Sal Di Stefano
Really?
- [48:44]
Justin Andrews
It's like ground up, recycled tires. Tires.
- [48:48]
Amanda
I don't know.
- [48:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Is that the tires?
- [48:49]
Justin Andrews
I think. Well, some of them.
- [48:51]
Sal Di Stefano
That's the football fields for kids, that's for sure.
- [48:54]
Amanda
That makes me so mad. The turf?
- [48:56]
Sal Di Stefano
Yes.
- [48:56]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, we get rid of turf. So we. Yeah, we put like ground up.
- [49:00]
Sal Di Stefano
Like, try to help a couple rolled ankles.
- [49:02]
Amanda
Cancer instead.
- [49:04]
Sal Di Stefano
There are no ankles.
- [49:05]
Amanda
But is it turf worse for your your don't they have more injuries on turf than they do?
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Justin Andrews
Well, the kind of turf that was like really thin and was more like almost cement below it, but they. They changed it so it had like a rubber.
- [49:17]
Amanda
Is that the little black bits that are flying off whenever my kitchen.
- [49:20]
Justin Andrews
Your thighs and mouth and like. Yeah, all over the place. I actually played on a couple of those. That was like, towards the latter part.
- [49:26]
Amanda
Dude, speaking of like, like playing and stuff, like, man, high school sports are no joke. Like, my daughter is.
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Sal Di Stefano
You watching your daughter go?
- [49:31]
Amanda
Well, just, just every day they train the crap out of them. And then she has like two games a week on top of. By the time Saturday comes around, she's exhausted.
- [49:40]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [49:40]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
- [49:40]
Amanda
You know, crazy.
- [49:41]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, you gotta like it, though. No, you like it?
- [49:43]
Amanda
Oh, yeah. It's good for her. Dude. Part of it is it's. She's like getting into nutrition now, which is. And I'm.
- [49:50]
Sal Di Stefano
That's awesome.
- [49:50]
Amanda
Jessica really helps check me on this because you guys know I get excited about. So I'm gonna sell everybody on it or I'm gonna like, you encourage it. And you know how teenagers are. The more excited you are, the less excited they are.
- [49:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Right?
- [50:00]
Amanda
So she's like reminding me. Shut up. Yeah, don't say anything.
- [50:04]
Sal Di Stefano
Let it be.
- [50:04]
Amanda
Yes, just let her, like, because she started asking about protein and. And her and Jessica were talking. Yeah. And I'm just like, protein. I hear protein. So I got her like the high protein yogurts that you eat, Adam.
- [50:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [50:17]
Amanda
Yeah. And I got gluten free granola, so she's eating that in the morning. She's eating chicken breast sandwiches for lunch. And I'm noticing. I'm noticing she's looking like she's building muscle. Her energy's higher. And I'm like, really hard. I'm trying to fight the urge to be like, hey, don't you notice you're stronger? Don't you Notice you have more energy. Jessica's like, shut your mouth. Let her figure it out.
- [50:36]
Sal Di Stefano
Dude, I wish I understood all that stuff as a kid. It makes me really wonder, like, you know, would. Would it made that big of a difference for me because I def. I had a terrible diet. I didn't train. I didn't do anything.
- [50:47]
Amanda
That's not the mistake you made. You should have swam.
- [50:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, well, I was in the wrong sport.
- [50:50]
Amanda
You would have been a calling. You would have got it. You would have got a scholarship.
- [50:53]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't know, but I definitely. I definitely wish I knew that stuff as, you know, as a kid growing up, I had. I had the work ethic, right? Like, I mean, I definitely was the kid who, you know, told me to go the extra mile, do those things. I just didn't have anybody who influenced me nutritionally and exercise also.
- [51:07]
Amanda
Play the wrong sports.
- [51:08]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that. That too. Yes, that too.
- [51:11]
Amanda
You would have been. You would have killed it. I'll never forget that time we're in the pool, big old meathead.
- [51:18]
Sal Di Stefano
Like, I was like, peak bodybuilder.
- [51:19]
Amanda
He was peak bodybuilder. You know, shape like this, not good for swimming. He's like, you swim like a rock.
- [51:24]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [51:25]
Amanda
He jumps in the pool and races college level swimmers and was on their tails, like this big ass, big ass body puller flying through the water. I was like, oh, right there, Adam. You missed you, Mr. Collie, bro.
- [51:38]
Sal Di Stefano
I had no idea too.
- [51:39]
Justin Andrews
I sunk, man.
- [51:40]
Sal Di Stefano
As a kid, I remember swimming, but never, never, never had a competition. Our school didn't have a. I didn't have a swim team, so never even occurred to me that that would be something, that I would be okay.
- [51:50]
Amanda
My brother's like that. He swims like a seal, dude. He just. Through the water. I mean, I'll drown, dude.
- [51:55]
Sal Di Stefano
No. When you understand body types and stuff like that, right then it makes sense. But again, more stuff that I. I wasn't educated. I always wonder though, too, though, you know, was I. Because I know stubborn me. If older me came and told me what to do, I probably wouldn't listen. So maybe it's better that I didn't. Because it'd be even worse if someone had told me.
- [52:13]
Amanda
It would have taken like a hot girl or something. I love swimmers. Then you might.
- [52:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [52:18]
Justin Andrews
Greatness, speed.
- [52:20]
Sal Di Stefano
Really?
- [52:21]
Amanda
I'll try that.
- [52:22]
Justin Andrews
Are you punking me?
- [52:23]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [52:23]
Sal Di Stefano
So when we were kids, like, swimming wasn't like, the cool sport. No, it wasn't, right? No. Yeah. It wasn't really.
- [52:28]
Amanda
Football, baseball?
- [52:30]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Basketball.
- [52:31]
Amanda
Yeah, Basketball, of course.
- [52:32]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. They were like the main ones. Right. It wasn't any of the off offshoots.
- [52:36]
Amanda
Yeah. Anyway, all right, let me take my. Right now I want to talk about the, the class that you and I are going to teach.
- [52:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Amanda
What is that? March. What is the date? Third. Is it March 3rd? This one's going to be popular for sure because we're going to media stuff. This is social media. We're going to teach coaches and trainers how to leverage social media to build their business.
- [52:57]
Adam Schaefer
March 4th.
- [52:58]
Amanda
4Th. March 4th. So that's when you can watch it live. By the way, you're gonna want to watch it live because we, we do some pretty cool stuff. Although there are replays. So if you sign up, you can get a replay, but if you watch live, you'll get something that nobody else replays won't get.
- [53:11]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, we normally do something cool live on there. But no matter what, you definitely, definitely at least sign up because even if you can't make the time, you'll get it sent over to you.
- [53:18]
Amanda
Yes. And I have to say, social media for building a fitness business, influencing people properly, whatever, has got to be one of the most misunderstood aspects of building a business.
- [53:31]
Sal Di Stefano
Agreed, Agreed.
- [53:32]
Amanda
By far.
- [53:32]
Sal Di Stefano
Agreed.
- [53:33]
Amanda
They seem, it's viewed as like this, this different thing and there's all these different rules and here's how you do it. And they use these examples of people who are terrible examples that just, you know, we're lucky. Yeah.
- [53:45]
Justin Andrews
And just popularity and growth focused on.
- [53:48]
Amanda
Nobody does it right. And there's a right way to do it.
- [53:51]
Sal Di Stefano
You're chasing. Most people are teaching the algorithm hacking stuff to chase, you know, play the trendy music, do the trendy thing for all, for views and attention. Because. And I think what it is is that if you get millions of eyeballs on you, even if you aren't good at your job, you're going to make some money. I mean, it's just, it's a volume game at that. Now, none of those customers are probably going to return and you're probably not going to have sustainable business because you suck at your job and you just had this wave of people come through. But if you build it correctly the right way, you attract the right customer. You learn a lot about yourself, your business, you actually are helping people and you don't need nearly that kind of attention to build a very successful business. And so I do think that there's a lot of social media gurus out there that teach people. And I mean, by the way, we're guilty of hiring them and reading all the stuff. I mean, I went down the rabbit hole of trying to figure this out for many years when we were building this. And a lot of the advice is it's so. It's so not true to building a very successful business. It may be true to going viral and getting an extra 10,000.
- [55:00]
Amanda
You know, I'll make this.
- [55:01]
Sal Di Stefano
That's not the. That's not.
- [55:02]
Amanda
I'll make this argument. If you do it right, you're. You're going to build a successful business. And you're more likely to potentially go viral. If you chase virality and you ignore all the other stuff, you're not going to build a successful business. Your odds of going viral are like one.
- [55:14]
Sal Di Stefano
Kind of like you're chasing health analogy.
- [55:15]
Amanda
That's right.
- [55:16]
Sal Di Stefano
Chase. Chase health. The aesthetics will follow. If you just go for the aesthetics, you just go for the numbers, then it's like you'll use both.
- [55:22]
Amanda
Yeah, well, there's something there. I don't really think about that.
- [55:24]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I'm sure you'll take it and sell it. Better find out the webinar and then take my credit.
- [55:31]
Amanda
I just came up with something anyway.
- [55:34]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, make sure. What's that? What is the. What is the link for that?
- [55:37]
Adam Schaefer
Doug, we have our trainerwebinar.com sign up.
- [55:40]
Amanda
Come see us.
- [55:41]
Sal Di Stefano
See you guys there.
- [55:42]
Amanda
Hey. This episode is also brought to you by Mind Pump Fitness Coaching. Adam and I teach trainers and coaches on March 4th how to build their social media business. It's totally free. Totally free. Go sign up trainerwebinar.com all right, back to the show.
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Adam Schaefer
Our first caller is Jackie from Canada.
- [56:00]
Amanda
Hi, Jackie.
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Justin Andrews
Hello.
- [56:01]
Amanda
Hello. How can we help you?
- [56:03]
Jackie
Alrighty. So I have a few questions. Three.
- [56:05]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay, that's all right.
- [56:06]
Amanda
Let's do it.
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Justin Andrews
Wrap them up.
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Jackie
Okay. So I'm used to doing CrossFit and competitive weightlifting. So about nine years I've been doing that. But I decided to try the RGB bundle. So it was a really big change for me. I did the intro in phase one and then by phase two, I was just feeling it. It's not enough. And I was really missing my cleaning jerks and snatches. I really enjoy those. And I kind of was missing my metcons. So I started to add them in in phase two.
- [56:42]
Sal Di Stefano
Terrible.
- [56:43]
Jackie
And then. Yeah, so I was just wondering because phase two only had like two days a week, so I kind of switched it to doing four days a week. I divided the your guys's work between those four days and then added cleans one day, jerks another day. And snatches like.
- [57:01]
Amanda
Yeah.
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Jackie
Do you think that's too much?
- [57:04]
Amanda
Well, okay, so let's back up for a second. What made you stop CrossFit? And when you say competitive weightlifting, you mean Olympic lifting? Yeah. Okay.
- [57:13]
Justin Andrews
Okay.
- [57:13]
Amanda
What made you switch from that? Why did you stop doing that?
- [57:16]
Jackie
Oh, I just, I think variety is good for a person. I think it's good to, you know, maybe some muscles you're lacking because you're always doing the same movements. So just a change. I think it's good. Have overall fitness.
- [57:29]
Amanda
Okay, so you got, you got bored.
- [57:34]
Jackie
No, not bored, just variety is good for a person.
- [57:39]
Sal Di Stefano
Well, that's, that's, that's true. And that's a good mindset. Only you started to get variety, then you went right back to what you were doing.
- [57:45]
Justin Andrews
Right. You change it up, but then like to change it.
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Sal Di Stefano
Your attitude is right. I think that's a good attitude, is that, you know, variety, novelty, move in and out of different modalities is great. Encourage that for, for clients to do that. But you switch from one modality and you went back to your way of training. And maybe you didn't go full blown. So in your head you're thinking you kind of didn't, but you pretty much did. The idea would have been to follow the new programming laid out and allow it to take its course, see how you respond to it and the benefits you get from it by changing it. You've now bastardized it and it's no longer.
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Amanda
It's not gonna be effective. Do you have any specific goals that might help with, besides doing something different? Do you have any like, performance goals or physical goals or anything like that?
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Jackie
Well, that kind of goes into like my third question. So in one of your episodes, you talked about certain numbers for people like athlete level or whatever. So I'm at those numbers, which I feel is fairly good for myself. I'm 37 and yeah, it's kind of like I don't know what to go, where to go next, just try to keep getting stronger or. I don't know.
- [59:01]
Amanda
Okay.
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Jackie
I'm not too worried about one rep maxes anymore. But yeah, I don't know, it sounds.
- [59:07]
Amanda
Like you're mostly motivated by athletic performance, like, like what you're able to do in the gym. Is that correct?
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Jackie
Yeah, I think so.
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Amanda
Okay, well, okay, so there's a couple of ways you could go here. I mean, Maps Performance Advanced would probably be a program that you would really enjoy. Maps Power Lift would be another program you would probably really enjoy. And then when it comes to Olympic weightlifting, dude.
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Justin Andrews
Old time strength.
- [59:34]
Amanda
Old time strength would be another great program for you. It's very different variety and yeah, I.
- [59:39]
Justin Andrews
Just feel like you're playing novelty seeker and this would be something totally outside of your norm.
- [59:45]
Amanda
Yeah, I like that.
- [59:47]
Justin Andrews
Consider that. But yeah, I mean, in terms of your mentality, I understand, like, you know, you're just trying to be overall fit and you're, you enjoy that. You like being challenged a lot, right? No specific goal in terms of, you know, aesthetic or performance? Like nothing very specific.
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Jackie
No, but like, you know, certain things. So like your Olympic weightlifting. I don't want to lose that because I've worked really hard to get, you know, where my numbers are. And same with, you know, gymnastics. You know, it took me a long time to get my ring muscle ups and I don't want to just not do them anymore. So I want to somehow include those in there.
- [60:24]
Amanda
I like Maps Performance Advanced for you because it gives you an opportunity to include some of that. Yeah. So skill days will allow you to include those. And then if you want to try something really different that's going to train your body very differently that I think will contribute to your lifts once you practice them again and get the skill back. Is old time. I think Justin hit the nail on the head.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, I think old time would be a great suggestion to move away. But I'm hearing the more the fact that she likes to keep going back to these movements that she doesn't want to lose, which that's Performance Advanced. It was written for that intention for literally somebody who is specifically. Yeah. Likes athletic type of training, has specific skills they like, they don't want to use, they want to include it. But they also understand traditional strength training has tremendous value and they should train that way. Maps Performance Advanced is the program for you.
- [61:09]
Amanda
We'll send that to you and you.
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Sal Di Stefano
Can cycle through it more than once and you can change what those lifts are. So maybe you're focusing on the, the rings and the snatch. At one time you go through it, then the next time you go through it, you, your muscle ups and something else you're into. Like totally. So there's definitely ways for you to incorporate these skills that you enjoy and you don't want to lose while also following good program. But you know, the thing that people get where they make a mistake with our programs is they add or change things and it's like it, it's, it no longer becomes great programming once you start to change and, and changing by adding stuff to it. It's like if you really understand programming. You can take same things out and replace it if you know what you're doing. But very few people know how to do that and instead what they end up doing is just add what they want more of. And then now you took great programming to subpar programming or terrible programming.
- [62:01]
Justin Andrews
Well, and two, just as like a caveat like you, I just want to reiterate that fatigue is the enemy of skill. And so if you're you know, consuming your, your thoughts around doing met met cons and doing like circuit style, you're not improving your skill. So that's what you're going to experience in Maps. Performance Advanced is we're going to hyper focus on these skills and you're going to rotate that around so you focus on those. Even if it's endurance, we want to focus on endurance exclusively for a block and just try to do that for a while. I know it's addictive because it's hard, but hard doesn't always mean better.
- [62:38]
Amanda
Your performance advance will give you room to add. It was created specifically for people to be able to add things that they want to add. It's in the programming. So we'll send that to you. And then just some side advice, you know, you're, you're young, you're very strong. If you're in the advanced level of the, you know how we listed, you know, people's strength levels. If you want to keep doing this for the rest of your life, I mean I think your best bet is to train in different modalities exclusively. Like I'm going to do about a powerlifting, I'm going to do a bout of Olympic lifting, I'm going to do a bout of bodybuilding, I'm going to do a bout of body weight style training. That's going to be if that's how you enjoy, if you enjoy expressing your body physically in that variety and you just really enjoy performing in different ways, then you should do blocks of three months at a time in different modalities. And over the years you're gonna have this really well rounded ability to do lots of different things that would be the way to do it.
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Sal Di Stefano
And you won't lose those skills if you dip in and out for three months. Especially when the three months is strength training and doing other pursuits.
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Amanda
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
That are fitness related and maybe like your, your, your max snatch, it'll go down, goes down by 10% but then you get 15 when you gain it, when you go back to it. So in the net result is you still get better in Those things. So there's a lot of value in moving in and out of these modalities and staying away from it for a few months and then coming back to it. You're not going to get worse or lose. Especially like I said, you're replacing with other good programs, someone like you, the.
- [64:20]
Amanda
Programs you would probably enjoy. Performance, Advanced maps, Power lift map, strong maps, ocr, all very different. And old time maps, old time, all very different. And they'll all express your body's strength and performance in different ways. And they're all about three month blocks. And I love people like you because you really love fitness. Just for fitness, which is great. So moving in and out of these different styles, modalities, a little bit of bodybuilding, a little bit of old time strength, a little bit of strongman style training, I mean, it's gonna be fun. It'll be a lot of fun. And over the years you'll get really good at a lot of different things.
- [64:57]
Sal Di Stefano
But trust the process. Trust the process. I mean, I don't know how long you've been listening to us for, but if you, if you trust that we know what we're doing, then trust that we know that this is how you should follow the program laid out. And don't make the mistake that so many fitness nuts do, which is just pile on stuff to the program.
- [65:13]
Amanda
Awesome. Go ahead.
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Jackie
Like, I know you guys say three months at a time, but could you do like less than that? You know, like do two months of your program and then go back to just doing my snatches and clean for a little bit, even for a few weeks, and then jump back in and you can't.
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Amanda
How long you been working out for Jackie?
- [65:36]
Jackie
Like the olympic lifting and CrossFit? Probably nine years at least. And then, you know, I went to the gym before that and.
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Amanda
Yeah, okay. It's a long time. Yeah. Yes, you can. I think you know your body well enough to where you could kind of do that. Just don't overdo it. That's the, oh, that's the one place people like you tend to, tend to, you know, veer towards is like Adam said, what I want to lose, what I'm like, you know, I'm doing. I did endurance and I have all this endurance. I want to train for strength, but I don't want to lose the endurance. So you just add on top of it and then, you know, now you're just burning yourself out type of deal.
- [66:11]
Sal Di Stefano
Eventually you'll learn this lesson one way or the other. Either you'll decide that okay. This is the best way for me or your body will let you know.
- [66:18]
Kaylin
Yeah.
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Jackie
And I do say like when I did your guys's like the phase one, I definitely, when I went to go, do you know, my back squat or something? Because I don't usually do high reps, like 12 to 15, I never do that. So when I went back and did, you know, just a two rep max, it, I definitely felt way better. Like it was just different.
- [66:38]
Amanda
Exactly, exactly. Yeah, yeah. No, you're good. Somebody with your experience, you'll be fine moving in and out. Just, just don't slap things on top of things.
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Sal Di Stefano
We'll have Doug send performance advanced because I think that's the one that fits you best right now. And then look into those other ones that, that Sal talked about.
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Amanda
Yeah.
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Jackie
And then just the other question. So when it comes to trigger sessions, I did do them, but I just, maybe because, I don't know, just my background in fitness, like they're a little bit lacking maybe, or maybe I just want to try doing other things. So I, I was asked like, can I do just different body weight movements, like hands down push ups or if you.
- [67:18]
Amanda
Okay, so trigger sessions, the way that they're designed are more bodybuilding, hypertrophy focused, they're low intensity, they're more to facilitate.
- [67:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Recovery than they are for you.
- [67:27]
Amanda
It's like get a little bit of a pump. Someone like you, you know what your best time spent would be on those days would be mobility.
- [67:34]
Sal Di Stefano
Walking.
- [67:35]
Amanda
Walking and mobility. Yeah, like practice mobility on those days would serve you way better than anything else.
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Jackie
Yeah. Yeah, I could do that.
- [67:45]
Amanda
Yeah. Yeah.
- [67:48]
Jackie
Okay, well, I'll try. Like, I do like your program. Like I did like it, it was different. So I just. Yeah, I just didn't want to lose what I've worked so hard to get good at.
- [67:59]
Sal Di Stefano
How long have you been listening to us, Jackie, for? When did you find the podcast?
- [68:04]
Jackie
Maybe like two years ago.
- [68:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay.
- [68:07]
Amanda
Okay.
- [68:07]
Jackie
Yeah.
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Amanda
Good. Yeah. You make up a very small percentage of individuals who work out. So a lot of what we communicate is to other people. But someone like you, I really think you would, you would find a lot of value and enjoyment by doing what we said, where you're focusing kind of on different skills, different modalities for, you know, certain periods of time because you enjoy. It sounds like you enjoy fitness for the, Just for the fitness part of it, just for the performance part of it, which is great.
- [68:37]
Justin Andrews
It's rad. Yeah. Keep it going. Let's just get smarter, you know, let's do some, A Lot more programs.
- [68:42]
Amanda
That's it.
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Jackie
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll definitely try the. I didn't go into the performance one.
- [68:50]
Amanda
I.
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Jackie
It was my next one to go into. But then, you know, like you said, old habits just was like, well, just go Back to my CrossFit Metcons now.
- [68:59]
Amanda
Performance advanced. The programming is different, and you'll have space to add those. Those. Those lifts that you want to do so badly.
- [69:06]
Jackie
Yeah, well, they're just fun.
- [69:09]
Amanda
Yeah. Yeah, that's fine.
- [69:10]
Sal Di Stefano
That's perfect.
- [69:12]
Jackie
Okay. And I. One other thing, because I listened to the podcast this morning about the creatine. So, like, if I eat enough protein, do I need.
- [69:21]
Amanda
Yes.
- [69:22]
Jackie
Creatine.
- [69:22]
Amanda
Yep. Yeah. Yep. Are you eating 203, 280 grams of protein? Probably not. Yeah. You'll benefit from creatine regardless.
- [69:31]
Jackie
Yeah, like, I try. I definitely get, like, 170 grams of protein a day.
- [69:36]
Sal Di Stefano
I think a better way to say it, I don't think you need it. I think you will see benefits from it if you took it. That's what we think. So it's not. You're. If you're eating that much meat, you're not deficient in. In creatine. But if you want to see extra benefits, especially someone who sounds like they're performance driven, you're going to see benefits from supplementing with creatine. Absolutely.
- [69:55]
Amanda
Take five grams a day, and you'll know within two or three weeks if it's. If it's giving you benefit.
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Jackie
Well, like, I. I have been taking it probably for, I don't know, a month and a half at least.
- [70:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Maybe.
- [70:06]
Jackie
Maybe two months now, so.
- [70:07]
Amanda
Okay, good.
- [70:08]
Jackie
But I'd try it. I don't know.
- [70:10]
Amanda
Aside from performance benefits, there's cognitive benefits and health benefits as well, so just keep that in mind. Yeah.
- [70:17]
Jackie
Okay. All righty.
- [70:20]
Amanda
All right. Thank you.
- [70:21]
Sal Di Stefano
Cool.
- [70:23]
Jackie
Thank you, guys.
- [70:24]
Justin Andrews
All right.
- [70:24]
Amanda
You got it? Yeah. I've had trainers like this.
- [70:28]
Sal Di Stefano
I don't know, bro. I smell something else.
- [70:29]
Amanda
Yeah, like what?
- [70:31]
Sal Di Stefano
Maybe escapism. Maybe. You got it. Maybe you got to be constantly moving and doing something.
- [70:36]
Amanda
Oh.
- [70:36]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, we didn't get personal. We didn't get personal with her and what's going on the rest of her life and stuff like that. It'd be interesting to hear more.
- [70:41]
Amanda
Oh, yeah.
- [70:42]
Sal Di Stefano
But I mean, no real clarity on the goals or what she wants from. From the exercising or even what she really, you know, but you can't even do trigger sessions because it's not enough on top of already adding to the program. I don't know. Somebody smells like running from something or this is a way for me to escape distractions being thing.
- [71:04]
Justin Andrews
But yet she, again, she's been doing this for how long was it? Nine years?
- [71:07]
Amanda
Nine plus?
- [71:08]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I mean that's a long time to be doing a modality, you know, and getting to the point where I can kind of understand like she's good at certain movements like that. But now I was looking for something different. That's a change and you have to change. That's, that's the requirement here as we're going through something to allow your body really experience it. And so it's is, you know, just to get into that mental shift is.
- [71:32]
Sal Di Stefano
Is everything well and she's creeping up on that age where the lesson is going to be learned.
- [71:37]
Justin Andrews
Exactly.
- [71:37]
Sal Di Stefano
It's going.
- [71:38]
Justin Andrews
Whether, whether tough love is, is, is necessary.
- [71:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Either it, it, it goes, you know, this rings a bell or she decides to change, really change some things up or real soon here her body will let her know, you know, what the.
- [71:51]
Amanda
Question would have been. When's the last time you took two weeks off?
- [71:53]
Sal Di Stefano
I know that that would have been the question. Yes. And I, so I smell that, bro. Yeah, I smell.
- [71:57]
Amanda
Because the answer to that would probably be never.
- [71:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And then to me it's like, honestly, which I wish we would have done that a little bit deeper with her because she sounds like that she needs to do more walking or maybe a Mass 15 program for a little while would be a really good movement, but very difficult because she couldn't even move to Maps anabolic without adding a bunch of stuff to it. So it's like, you know, I know we, we gave her a program that will kind of give her the desire she wants, but to me, I smell there's something deeper there to look into.
- [72:25]
Adam Schaefer
Our next caller is Tyler from Ohio.
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Sal Di Stefano
What's going on, Tyler?
- [72:29]
Amanda
How can we help you?
- [72:30]
I
Well, I'm going to get right into it to honor your guys's time. So it's been kind of a long journey for me in the fitness world. I got into running during COVID and that quickly escalated into me doing a half marathon and then was like, sure, I'll do a 50k.
- [72:49]
Sal Di Stefano
Wow, that escalated fast, fast.
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I
And I, I get really fixated on things when I do them. So I started listening to other experts in the field, decided I'd try veganism out, which was probably one of the hardest things I've done. But I thought from what I learned, it was a clean, low inflammatory fuel and energy source. But after about two years of doing That I was feeling depleted. I weighed about 144 pounds. Now, granted, that's probably because I was trying to be efficient and a endurance athlete. But I started to change my tune when I was like, low libido, low energy, was constantly hangry, and was like, something has to change. So on my 30th birthday, I went and I bought a whole chicken and I spatchcocked it and I got some asteroid sausage and butter.
- [73:44]
Sal Di Stefano
Good for you.
- [73:44]
I
And my wife came home and I was frying bananas and butter, and she was like, what happened?
- [73:50]
Sal Di Stefano
You tell her I woke up. Yeah.
- [73:54]
I
This is everything to me. Why have I not been eating meat the past two years? So then I started learning about strength training and was like, hey, I'm. I'm 30 now. Like, I kind of missed the whole, like, putting on muscle window that they say is optimal, but I quickly put on, you know, about 20 pounds. I'm now fluctuating between like 166 and 170. I say I'm on a bulk, but I seem to have an insatiable hunger. So I'm constantly eating. And I guess my question is. So I've started strength training. I'm following a program by Jeff Nippard right now that was gifted to me. It's a 5 day ppl split. So sometimes I get there 5 days a week, sometimes I don't. And I'm trying to figure out, is my programming too intense? Because when I was running, I was running every day. So I kind of transitioned into now lifting. And I've been reading, you know, like, hitting each muscle group twice a week is really good, especially those muscle groups that recover faster can be hit more. So that's kind of how I've been going about doing it. And like, using ChatGPT to query when I have questions. So is my programming too intense? And then also how do I figure out, like, my ideal body weight and, like, where I should be as far as there? It seems like I've been like, stuck at like 166, 170. And how do I figure out, like, what that goal is or should be before I surpass? Like, my wife's worried I'm gonna get too jacked.
- [75:41]
Sal Di Stefano
I love that.
- [75:41]
Amanda
Are you. How long have you been following that new program?
- [75:45]
I
So I am, I'm just about to enter the last five weeks. So I've been following it for a little under two months.
- [75:54]
Amanda
Okay.
- [75:55]
Sal Di Stefano
And maps had a box of program.
- [75:57]
Amanda
Yeah, for sure. Okay. But let's back up though. Let's talk about changes in performance muscle, have you seen any changes in strength also?
- [76:05]
Sal Di Stefano
Are you still running or did you get rid of it completely?
- [76:07]
Justin Andrews
Definitely need to know the running schedule.
- [76:09]
I
I'm to run with like job, family stuff and like lifting. So it's just strictly been lifting.
- [76:15]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay.
- [76:16]
Amanda
Okay, that's good, that's good. What about your, any strength gains during that period of time or any changes in anything?
- [76:22]
I
I could barely bench one third. Like I couldn't bench 135. Now I'm able to like put up 135 for at least like eight reps. That's great.
- [76:32]
Amanda
Yeah, that's good.
- [76:33]
Sal Di Stefano
Doing good.
- [76:34]
Amanda
You're doing good. You're doing good.
- [76:35]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, you're doing good. But I don't think it's the ideal program for you. Just so you know, you are and you said something really key or two things. One, we tend to recommend most people a full body routine is superior and people can try and make the arguments for why they're close. Right. In a perfect, you know, setting where we measure and track everything and the studies will show they're pretty much the same. But what it plays a huge role for me with clients was always what you said right away, which is, yeah, when I, I get to the gym or when I get there most, most times. And that's where splits suck is. Unless you're somebody who never misses the gym and you always hit that split every single week. You're. It's, it's good. But most people aren't like that. Most people have a day or two or they get sick every once in a while or they have a good week. And that's why a full body three day a week type of routine is beautiful. And if you on your extra days go for your walks or do some mobility work or our trigger sessions that we recommend an anabolic are good for you. But if you missed a day of maps anabolic, you're not going to go backwards at all because you still got two days of full body training before.
- [77:44]
Amanda
You would do before you were following the program you're following now. What were you doing for strength training?
- [77:48]
Sal Di Stefano
Wasn't. He wasn't doing anything.
- [77:50]
Amanda
Nothing.
- [77:51]
I
So I, I kind of slowly started to incorporate some like band work, some resistance bands.
- [77:56]
Amanda
Okay.
- [77:57]
I
Because I was having some injuries with running and when I started strength training, those injuries kind of worked themselves out. So then I was like, there's something to the strength training. And that was like the start of my slow transition out of like endurance vegan and all that.
- [78:12]
Amanda
Okay. And then are you do you know what your, what your protein intake is right now? Your calories?
- [78:17]
I
Yeah. So I'm shooting to get around 3,000 calories every day. And I try and get between 160 and 180 grams of protein.
- [78:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Good.
- [78:27]
Amanda
You're good. Here's what you're. Quit that program and start maps, anabolic. Do the three day a week version. Continue with your diet, your strength gain will explode.
- [78:36]
Sal Di Stefano
Yep, that's it. Other than that, other than that, you're doing pretty good. And by the way, Tyler, what you're doing isn't bad by any means, obviously. And the results are showing that we see the picture of your physique. You look good, you've gained strength. So the programming isn't bad. It's that the. What we're going to send you is better for you and you're going to see more results.
- [78:56]
Amanda
Just so you know. You know, Jeff Nippard's not bad. It's just he's. There are coaches and trainers who base all of their advice on studies. Then there's coaches and trainers that know studies, but also have decades of experience training real people. That's the information you want to get. Jeff Nippard has. I mean, he, he doesn't have experience training lots of everyday people. He's a studies guy. He trains himself. So his program is going to be based off what the study says. Hit a body part twice a week. The sets need to be 12 to 15 per week. Muscle groups like this, that and the other with the, you know. But we've trained lots and lots of everyday people and we understand the nuances. Remember, studies are done on college age males. Things tend to be controlled. You know, it's not. It does. There's value. It's not perfect, but it doesn't, you know, like maps, anabolic. You follow the three day week version on that. Keep your calories, your protein where they're at. You should see some significant strength gains with it.
- [79:50]
I
Sweet.
- [79:50]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [79:51]
I
I mean, that was like. I would miss a day and like, all right, I'm gonna hit legs and upper body today.
- [79:56]
Sal Di Stefano
Right.
- [79:57]
I
And I would just know because I'm like, I gotta. I gotta be there.
- [80:00]
Sal Di Stefano
I'm getting up at fourth. Yeah, make it happen.
- [80:02]
Justin Andrews
You gotta make up for it.
- [80:03]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [80:03]
Sal Di Stefano
That's why, that's why I'm not a fan of the split for most people. And it doesn't mean that I don't ever once in a while run a split or I think it's bad. It just is for most people. A full body routine Three days a week is just the superior way of programming. And just based off what you said.
- [80:18]
Justin Andrews
Have to do a full body of legs either.
- [80:20]
Sal Di Stefano
You don't need to, you don't need to change anything. You literally. We're just going to switch your programming and I guarantee you're going to see strength gains and you're going to be happy with less days inside the gym too. So, so what about.
- [80:31]
I
So like, I, I definitely feel. At least I think I'm recovering. Well, sometimes my sleep habits could be better. I mean, I'm sure you guys know being married, like sometimes your spouse wants to stay up or things like that. But I noticed my HRV at night is like pretty low significant. It's like in the 30s usually, which I just started tracking. So that's a relatively new metric.
- [80:58]
Sal Di Stefano
So what have you heard us talk about HRV and like what we like even better than hrv?
- [81:04]
I
No, I, I don't think I've heard that.
- [81:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Okay, so here's a, here's another good example of studies and cool tech and like, again with experienced guys. Right? Okay. HRV stuff is cool. We've all played with it, used it, used the tools. A better way to do it and even simpler is a. What do they call, diameters? Yeah, the diet diameters, which is just a grip strength test. And for a week, okay, track what your numbers are so you get an idea of what peak grip strength looks like for you and what maybe a lower day is. And when you, right before you go to lift, squeeze that sucker and measure what it, what it says and allow that to dictate your intensity. If you get up in the morning and you get your best squeeze you ever got, guess what? That's the day to go rip that gym. You're feeling your CNS is a firing on all cylinders. You probably got great rest, you're ready to go. If it's your lowest you've scored that, you know, ever, then you know, like, oh, I need to really back off the intensity, if it's somewhere in the middle, moderate intensity, that right there we have found is far more accurate to the individual with less air involved. Like the HRV type tools, the dynamometer, as was called.
- [82:14]
Amanda
Yeah. Now, by the way, the other thing is just, are you getting stronger? You're getting stronger, you move in the right direction. You seem like someone that might be prone to overthinking things a little bit. Am I hitting the nail on the head?
- [82:27]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [82:28]
Amanda
So you're probably better off not measuring so many things. You're probably better off Just like, am I getting stronger in the gym? And then. Yes. So I'm good.
- [82:39]
I
Yeah, no, that's, that's totally fair. I mean, I haven't even really been tracking like, like, I don't write down like how much I'm lifting from week to week. I just kind of like throw weight on and I kind of in my warmups, I gauge where I'm at.
- [82:52]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [82:52]
I
And on that, that's like how much more I put on or take off.
- [82:56]
Amanda
Yeah, that's fine. I like that.
- [82:58]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, Tyler, you're doing a good job. I mean we're, we're definitely putting hairs here by, you know, nitpicking what you're doing. If anybody has moved their physique, the, the, the amount you have in the period of time that you have and you, you've moved away from running, you've picked up protein and meat, you're hitting your protein targets, you've gotten that strong on the bench in that short of a period of time. You're doing good. Yeah, you really are. Like. Yeah, you're, you're doing really good. And I think the biggest thing that, like, when we talk about what will move the needle the most with us, from just hearing you right now, it's a little bit better programming. I think that you'll, you'll benefit from the three day week full body routine and maps anabolic. I think that by itself will move the needle more than probably any other thing that we could talk about that's based off what you've told us. Obviously if you said something like I never get sleep and you know, there was this obvious thing that we could fix or help you, but it sounds like you're pretty good about paying attention to all those things. The, the biggest thing would be, I think, a little bit better programming for you for those days when you might miss a gym workout. This is more ideal.
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I
Okay. And then about how long are those, are those workouts about an hour?
- [84:05]
Sal Di Stefano
About an hour.
- [84:07]
I
Oh, sweet. That's perfect. If I have time, I have one more question.
- [84:12]
Sal Di Stefano
Sure.
- [84:14]
I
So I, my wife keeps encouraging me and is like kind of nagging me about like looking into becoming a trainer. And I've like talked to people from like the different companies out there, like NASA and stuff like that. But I like, I think the thing that gets me tripped up is like wanting to be able to provide but also do something that I'm passionate about. And like, training doesn't necessarily feel like that. But then when I look at you guys who have like built a successful like business and venture, like, it gives me hope, but I'm still like, yeah, but I got to pay the bills.
- [84:53]
Amanda
You can do very well as a trainer and a coach. Very well. And it's very rewarding. The problem is there isn't a lot of coaching and training for coaches and trainers. And so there's a high turnover rate. But the ones that figure it out do very well. So the trainers that work for me, the trainers that work for Adam, the trainers that work for Justin, they did very well because we taught them, we coached them, we trained them. We have a course. We actually have a course. It's actually worth continuing education credits on national certifications as well. So it's formally accepted. But we have a course and what it focuses on, how to build your.
- [85:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Business is the business part.
- [85:28]
Amanda
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
- [85:29]
Sal Di Stefano
Which I would, I would recommend. Like you were already looking into nasm. I think NASM is a great foundation, like to get you started when it comes to assessing clients, how to build the programming for them, get them started, scaffolding for. Yeah, one of the best all around certifications. Okay. So I love that for a base. Then the very next thing after that. I love ours because ours is more heavily focused on the business. It's like now you have the tools to go help 99% of the people you'll ever meet. Now let us show you how you take that knowledge and actually apply it to make money and be successful. And that we really weren't trying to compete with NASM and Alpha and ncsf like we were trying to fill the gap. We saw a lot of national Certs out there that you could argue which what science you like better or what focuses on nutrition or more programming. There's a lot that are great out there and we have a lot to say about all of them, but nobody's done a really good job of helping trainers take that information and now go make money with it. And so that was really what we wanted to do. And we took a lot of pride in building what we think is probably the best, most robust certification course out there for trainers to make more money.
- [86:39]
Amanda
Tyler, can I have somebody. So can I have someone call you today and just kind of ask you more, spend some time with you on the phone, ask you more personal questions and kind of break down. Okay, what would this look like if you were to turn this into a career? Because we have people that work for us and that's what they do.
- [86:54]
I
Yeah, that would be, that would be awesome.
- [86:56]
Amanda
Done. All right, so Here, why don't you send in your phone number to Doug or whoever you emailed, and I'll make sure somebody reaches out to you today.
- [87:04]
I
Sweet. Yeah, that would be awesome.
- [87:06]
Sal Di Stefano
Cool.
- [87:07]
Amanda
You got it, man. And we'll send you maps. Anabolic. That'll be the program to follow.
- [87:10]
I
Yep, anabolic. Got it.
- [87:12]
Sal Di Stefano
We got you.
- [87:13]
I
And I'm not gonna get my wife's word. I'm gonna get too small.
- [87:16]
Sal Di Stefano
Don't. Don't worry. That is the easiest thing in the world to lose. So.
- [87:20]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [87:21]
I
Well, he was like, we. We should get ice cream. And I'm like, honey, I don't think we really need more ice cream. She's like. But, like, think about it. It's heavy cream and milk.
- [87:30]
Amanda
It's.
- [87:30]
I
It's perfect for your bulk.
- [87:31]
Amanda
She's awesome.
- [87:32]
Sal Di Stefano
She would close me on that one.
- [87:34]
Amanda
You're right. Yeah.
- [87:35]
Sal Di Stefano
You're right. You're right. Yeah. No, you'll be. You'll be good, bro.
- [87:38]
Amanda
You're.
- [87:39]
Sal Di Stefano
And you're. Like I said, we saw the pictures. You're doing great right now. I think this is a little tweak we can give you, then you're going to see even more results. And so. So keep heading the way you are.
- [87:46]
I
Sweet. Well, I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for all that you do. And yeah, this was great.
- [87:54]
Amanda
Good. Good stuff.
- [87:55]
Sal Di Stefano
You have Kyle, Colin.
- [87:56]
Amanda
There is. There is. You know, there is some. Most programming out there is garbage that's just true. But. But there is some out there that's. That's based on data and science and is sound from that standpoint. But it's really hard. It's really hard to find a trainer or a coach or a strength coach that has both, because experience takes a long time. And then, of course, the education part. Right. But when you combine the two, you know, Joe Defranco is a great example of this.
- [88:23]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Amanda
All the education, amazing. Plus decades of training athletes. And so what you're going to get is the most accurate, applicable programming advice, especially when he's speaking to an individual. And there's. There's people out there, like, Brett Contreras does a good job like this. Education, plus lots of experience. But if you just get one side and not the other, then it starts to get a little muddy. Although if I had to pick between studies and experience, I'll pick experience all day long.
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Sal Di Stefano
Because you know why? Because over years, decades of training people, even if you didn't have the science you figured out, you figure it out because you start to pick up on patterns. And that's all you need to be good at is recognizing.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, predictable.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yes. Seen it. And so I, I do think that that weighs more. And so these, these, I mean we get this a lot in our space. These trainers that are, you know, young and. But they're smart, they went through their schooling and they can argue studies, they can argue the studies that, well, that's great and I think it's very, very valuable to know that information. But there's something to be said about training because he's was exactly what he said is one of the main reasons why, why I love a full body over a split. It's not that it's not what the studies say. It's that most people don't make it to the gym five days a week. Every single week works better in the.
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Amanda
Real world for most people.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
See how it plays out.
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Adam Schaefer
Our next caller is Alice from Australia.
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Amanda
Elise, how are you doing? Can we help you?
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Podcast Lover
Hi, can you hear me okay?
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Amanda
Yep, we can for now. Yes.
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Podcast Lover
Okay, I'm just going to read my question. There's been some updates since then, but I'll read it and we can go from there. So I had been told a couple of times that I'm hypermobile. I'd always thought that that was maybe the case because I was incredibly flexible. But after reading more into how hypermobility can affect people, it's made me want to know more about how I can make sure I'm doing the right thing. And my question is, could my hypermobility be the reason that I've been so slow with getting gains after being really consistent for so many years or would that be other factors like maybe restricting food etc? I have maps on embolic performance anesthetic. When I wrote this I said I hadn't completed any of them yet. I have nearly completed MEPS anabolic. I have really struggled over the past couple of years to get any real results unless it's extremely restrictive in terms of losing weight. So I'd love to know your advice on anything I can to make sure I'm optimizing anything I can do for someone with hypermobility. And I'm not working against my body just for a bit of background. I have been someone that sort of has struggled since I was young with yo yo dieting, all that kind of stuff. But for the last probably now six to seven years I've been extremely consistent with strength training like protein, not tracking at the moment. We'll get to that. But yeah, is that. I'll stop there and then I'll Give you a bit more information.
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Amanda
Okay, so I have two questions for you. The first one is, who diagnosed you with hypermobility? And then the second question I think you kind of answered. The second part is you are hitting adequate protein and calories now, correct?
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Podcast Lover
Yeah. So I could probably count on one hand in the last five years how many times I haven't hit at least 140 grams of protein.
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Sal Di Stefano
Okay, good.
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Podcast Lover
So. And who diagnosed me? So two different people that, when I went to get a remedial massage, two different people that were doing it said that to me.
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Amanda
Okay. So hypermobility is characterized by long ranges of motion, like really, really flexible. Lack of stability, lack of strength, lack of stability. So kind of lacks. And sometimes repeated injury or pain in certain joints, like the hips. Is that. Does that character? Does that you.
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Podcast Lover
I don't get pain, but I do sort of get a bit unstable in some exercises. Some single leg exercises. Yeah, I don't get pain or injuries.
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Amanda
Okay. Yeah. So hypermobility usually is a result of a central nervous system that isn't firing effectively and controlling the muscles effectively, for lack of a better term, which can.
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Sal Di Stefano
Affect her building muscle, which will affect.
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Amanda
Your ability to build muscle. It can cause higher risk of things like injury. And the way you train with hypermobility is a. Is a little bit different. I don't. I've trained a couple clients with hypermobility. You don't do full range of motion. You stop yourself short of your deepest squat isometrics. And you pause at the bottom and hold. And you pause halfway up. And you hold. You slow the reps down. You try to intensify the connection. And you use isometrics. Isometrics are your best friend. So the way it would look would be like, let's imagine you're doing a barbell squat. And let's say you could just sit all the way down because you're so flexible. Well, I wouldn't have you sit all the way down. I'd stop you maybe five or six inches above that, and then I'd hold that position. So I'd squat down. I'd stop at the bottom for 10 seconds. But don't just hold the weight or just hold the position, but rather tense every muscle. Tense your upper back, squeeze the bar, squeeze your calves, squeeze, squeeze your glutes, squeeze your quads, and make it a really, really intense squeeze. And then come up, take a couple breaths, and then repeat that again. And you can do that at different portions of the reps, halfway up, almost all the way at the bottom. Or almost all the way at the.
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Sal Di Stefano
Top, by the way, dramatically reduce the weight when you do this.
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Amanda
Yes.
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Sal Di Stefano
Because the, the reps are so, so the tempo is so slow and you're intensifying it, it doesn't take much weight. So whatever you're used to doing, you know, cut that in half.
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Amanda
You have to teach your. What you're doing is you're trying to train your central nervous system to connect and fire.
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Justin Andrews
So needs to recruit and respond.
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Amanda
Right. Other than that, all the exercises remain the same so long as you can do them. But the goal is, can I connect to every, every quarter inch of this exercise? Do I feel tight in every part of my body as I'm doing this? Do I feel stable and strong? And the way you do that again is you find, you find those places and you pause and you tighten up and tense up that, that's the way that you get better at this. And as you do that, you'll get stronger through your central nervous system and then that'll contribute to things like muscle.
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Justin Andrews
Build muscle for sure. If you do that approach.
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Amanda
That's right.
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Sal Di Stefano
And then have you, have you intentionally done a bulk before or do you, you know, try and hit your protein intake but then you also kind of restrict.
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Podcast Lover
Yep. So just after. So just a little bit more information. So in 2023, I sort of had the biggest results in terms of got down to, I don't know the exact amount, but I would say probably 17% body fat. And I did a successful reverse diet and that was really good. I even went on a trip for a month and didn't really put on any weight, which was a huge win because, you know, historically I would restrict, go on holiday, put on lots of weight and the cycle would just never end. So that was good. And then I kind of all of a sudden just put on weight again really easily later that year. And no, even though I was still extremely consistent, you know, I'm someone who go to the gym because I love it. It's not even out of, you know, pure aesthetics, I just love it. And I'll get up at 5am every day to go because. And also the same with food. Like I just love health, I love healthy food, I don't eat processed food, all of that kind of thing. So then I was going in this cycle again and I couldn't understand why. So when I wrote this question, I, that was at the end of. It was only about a two and a half, three month bulk. But even then I did feel like I was getting stronger. But I didn't feel like anything was changing. But this might help this next bit of information. So shout out to Megan Abbott and her team. I found her through your. One of the mind pump pages. I'm in all of the pages. I'm in the forum. And then the two other free ones, the holistic health ones, found her. I had already been working with a functional specialist here because I don't get a regular cycle, and I haven't for five years. She has now discovered I've got really high levels of mold and heavy metals in my system, which sort of brings me to my next spot. Would that be why I am struggling with the weight gain and the muscle.
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Sal Di Stefano
Gain is a big factor?
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Amanda
Yeah, that's a big one.
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Podcast Lover
Okay. That sort of. She said the same thing, and that sort of gave me a bit of peace because out of everyone I know, I'm the most consistent, the most committed to the health and fitness. And I just. It's like I was going backwards. I was putting on weight last year. Like, anything I did just wouldn't help. But she's just given me that diagnosis just before Christmas, and we're starting a pretty intense protocol next month. So in terms of training, I've sort of had to scale that back, basically. I did start Matt anabolic, and I was pretty much done. But, I mean, she said my body's not even absorbing any nutrients, so no wonder, like, nothing's helping. So I guess my point is the next kind of six to eight months are gonna be purely be spent on healing, getting that all done, getting the mold out of my system, getting my gut right, getting my hormones right. But. But I just to confirm, is that.
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Amanda
Yes, yes.
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Sal Di Stefano
Oh, yes.
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Amanda
Major.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Amanda
By the way, that'll affect your sense.
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Sal Di Stefano
And by the way, like, that's always, like, as a. Is a coach and a trainer, when you have a client like you who's. Who's giving you this feedback. Adam, I'm not missing the gym. Adam. I'm all whole foods. Adam. I'm hitting my protein intake. Yet somehow I'm magically putting bad weight on what is every. And you're checking all the boxes, like, right away as a trainer, you know, to look into those things. It's like, oh, let's go get our blood work done. Let's go check the gut. Let's go see, because there's something probably else happening. If I've got a client who can consistently report to me the things that you were just saying to us that you're doing, that that makes total sense. And to me it's, to me it would be obvious something else is going on here. If she's telling me all this and she's being honest, that, and she's seeing this, there's got to be something else and that will do it.
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Amanda
And I'm assuming you've now you've tested your environment, your home and stuff for these things because you could have mold and metal toxicity because of your environment.
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Podcast Lover
So I've, I, I think kind of going back to when my issues first started. It was when I was still living in New Zealand at uni and it was really damp houses and stuff. So what she thinks, because since then I've moved multiple times and my issues have kind of just gotten worse. So she thinks, thinks that it's happened back when I was living in those places for years at a time and now it's congregated in my gut.
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Amanda
That could be true. I would still test where you're living because mold can travel with you. So you could bring it with your clothes or a pillow. Yeah. So I would still test your environment. I had to deal with this as well. But the detox process, I'm sure you can take chelating compounds and sauna and stuff like that. Like once you get that out of your body, it's going to feel so different.
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Podcast Lover
Yeah. Okay. And so I guess what would I kind of do? I mean, I'm committed to. It was hard for me, you know, I'm barely doing two sessions a week purely for mental health. But I'm not even really pushing math.
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Sal Di Stefano
15.
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Podcast Lover
Sorry, are you there?
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Amanda
Yeah, yeah, we lost you for a second.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, we lost you. But I think I know what you're at. You're asking about the training. Right. What we should do, what you should do, lifting wise. Yeah, Maps 15 is where I'd put.
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Amanda
Yeah, do Maps 15 in that program. There's the advanced version, which is just with free weights. Do that one.
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Podcast Lover
Okay.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, it'll give you something. Sorry, it was just going to tell you that it'll give you something to do every day. The advanced version is about 20, 20 minutes.
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Justin Andrews
Intensity is just right.
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Sal Di Stefano
Slowing of volume that you're, you're not going to lose any muscle. You'll be able to maintain what you have right now. It'll give you something to do, but you're not pushing the body and flirting with over training.
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Podcast Lover
Okay. And so when I sort of come out of this process, which I'm thinking might be in six or so months, what would be the best approach to kind of ramp back up to.
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Sal Di Stefano
If you stay with 15 through this.
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Podcast Lover
Process doing like a symmetry or that's fine.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, symmetry would be great, especially since you have hypermobility. So if protocol would look like this for me, 15, so long as that's fine and we don't have any adverse effects from that and we'll have to scale back from that. But most likely 15 will be fine while you go through the process. When you come out of it, symmetry or anabolic is. Is a great program to go into and then from there you're off and running.
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Podcast Lover
Okay. And I know I kind of just got straight into things at the start I was a bit nervous, but thank you so much. I've literally been listening to you for probably six or seven years now. And I send it to all of my friends. Like I. Every, every time I see a new so come out, I'm so excited. So thank you. And the groups on Facebook are incredibly helpful. They've helped me to get so many, so much help. And so, yeah, like I said, I was working with a specialist here for so long and they couldn't figure out anything. And I had one 30 minute free call with Megan's team and they gave me more answers than I'd ever had.
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Sal Di Stefano
So.
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Podcast Lover
Yeah. Thank you so much.
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Sal Di Stefano
I love you and you've given me.
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Podcast Lover
A lot of pace.
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Amanda
Oh, thank you. We appreciate the support.
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Podcast Lover
Thank you.
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Amanda
Thank you. Have you guys. You've had clients that are hyper mobile, Right. It's pretty wild. It is the first time I trained someone like that. Because you're taught like most people, like, oh, deep range of motion. That's a good thing.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. Then they're just.
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Sal Di Stefano
They look like a baby deer.
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Amanda
Yeah. And I mean, I was like, oh, what are we gonna do here? And I mean, we just saw the rest. Poses was difficult and it made a huge difference. And her stability, it was incredible. But yeah, hypermobility can lead to injury. I mean, you're unstable and injury rates can be quite high with people like that.
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Sal Di Stefano
I'm just so excited and just for the audience that, you know, this is why we created all those free forums.
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Amanda
Yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
So, so cool to hear somebody who that knows this much and has been listening and has got. Has been doing a lot of the right things that. That was something that ended up helping her that much. That's awesome.
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Amanda
Totally.
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Adam Schaefer
Our next caller is Kaylin from Arizona.
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Amanda
Hi, Kaylin.
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Justin Andrews
Hello.
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Amanda
How can we help you? Wow.
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Kaylin
Hey, you guys. First of all, I just have to thank you. Like everybody does. Your content is absolutely amazing. You definitely changed my life in multiple ways. Three and a half years ago, I was one of many women who thought that 12 to 1400 calories was appropriate, which had me stuck for a really long time. So again, just want to thank you for your content. Sal, I want to let you know I love hearing your journey as a new Christian. It's amazing. Adam and Justin and Doug, you guys are all amazing as well. I love what each one of you brings to this podcast.
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Sal Di Stefano
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Kaylin
Super excited to be here. Super nervous too. So I'm just going to go ahead and read my email.
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Sal Di Stefano
Go for it.
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Kaylin
Okay, thank you. All right, so I found you all in March of 2022 and I've been listening every day since. You guys changed my life and inspired me to get back into coaching again. I'm wrapping up my level one nutrition cert with NCI and I did go ahead and purchase all their courses, so that helped me start my online coaching business. However, I am struggling with my own personal fitness. I'm 51 years old. Five'five update. Now I'm about 174 pounds, about 30% body fat. So I'm a health and fitness fanatic. But being 51 years old, I've been hit by the pair of menopause train. I've been working with a naturopath doctor for about four years now and hormones are balanced as well as they could be Being perimenopausal. I'm on hrt. I eat cleaner than everyone I know. I track my calories, my protein, my macros. I'm following all your programs. I've done Anabolic a few times, Performance Symmetry if you times aesthetic, Anabolic, anabolic advanced, sorry maps 15 and most recently Maps Power Lift and sorry, my screen saver just went blank. So here's a little bit of background. So three years ago I started gaining weight rapidly. Like 35 pounds in six months. This was very devastating for me. I shed many tears on a week weekly basis. Thankfully my husband was understanding and supportive. But this was primarily due to leaving my boot camp hiit coaching job and going to a mostly sedentary office job. Thankfully through you I learned that I had been over training and under eating for all those years I was there. Five plus I heard about you guys talking about reverse dieting. So I took myself from about 1500 calories per day up to 2526600 a day over the course of about three months. Amazingly, I only gained a few pounds. I felt really really good. All my lifts improved. I was able to take my bench 1 rep max from 105 to 135, my squat from 185 to 215 and my deadlift from 185 to 225. I stayed at 2500 for about 2 months and then cut down to 1800 to 22000 without any weight loss or inches lost. I've reversed and cut about three times now and still haven't lost any weight or body fat. The only times I've lost weight was I did another food sensitivity test that then revealed that I had a sensitivity to eggs in addition to dairy and gluten, which I already knew of. So once I cut out the eggs, I was able to lose seven pounds I guess of inflammation. The second time was through Dr. Cabral's 20 day detox. Again, something I learned from you guys. Lost seven pounds with that this past July, my hormones just kind of went crazy. All of a sudden I put on my waist along with some other perimenopause symptoms like anxiety, which is something new. My naturopath is at a loss as to why I can't lose the body fat. We, we did some NAD injections for five weeks in a row and still nothing. He suggested going on semaglutide to help me get me on that like little set point. I've been very resistant that to that, but also kind of intrigued after hearing what Dr. Tina had to see on the subject. But I trust you guys and wanted to see what you guys had for me also. I just kind of want to look like a trainer and not like I need to hire one.
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Amanda
Okay.
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Sal Di Stefano
I don't know if I would do GLP1 with you.
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Amanda
Have you what, when you do your cuts, where do you go down to with your calories?
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Kaylin
Probably right around that 1800-1900 mark. And if I don't see anything then I, I'll take it down from there. I, I've gone as low as 1600 and still didn't see anything.
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Amanda
And how long do you stay at the 1600 where you don't see anything?
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Kaylin
I did that for a couple months.
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Amanda
Months. Okay. Okay. Okay. So this is where I would. Have you done heavy metals testing, Mold toxicity? Have you done parasite testing? Have you looked to see if there's anything else happening?
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Kaylin
Yeah, I have not done any of that yet. My, my next I guess avenue with my doctor was going to be like some gut testing like you mentioned the parasites because I feel like my gut definitely could be an issue.
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Amanda
Yeah, yeah.
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Sal Di Stefano
I also also this. And I know you've You've experienced this too. When somebody who has been chronically over training and undereating for such a long period of time, their body adapts so fast to that low calorie and they just don't get to seem to get the same response that the average person who builds their calories up and then cuts it down. And sometimes it just takes a longer period of time of feed. I mean, what you, when you reverse dieted, those results are phenomenal. The fact that you were able to go from 1800 to 2600 calories, only see a few pounds on the scale, see strength gains go across the board, tells me that's your body. Finally, like thanking you, going, thank you for giving me what I need. And, and, and probably should just kind of stayed there for a while because, and, and to me, what would be that signal was if you were a client and you said, adam, I just want to cut for a little bit. And then we did. And then I saw the way your body responded. I'd say, listen, your body just, it ain't ready for that yet. It ain't ready to go right back to that again. It wants to be taken care of and fed and build strength and build muscle for longer before we dabble in these cuts. Because you become so resilient to low calorie and high intensity training for so long that it just doesn't, it's not novel to your body. Your body's like, oh, yeah, I know what goes on here. Let's get used to this. And so it, it needs a longer period of time of feeling safe. Yeah, that's the way that's if nothing else is going on. Right. If you've done the testing and there's no gut stuff or nothing going on that hormones are balanced, then the next thing I would say is we just probably should stay in a higher calorie and strength training.
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Amanda
When you said that your hormones went crazy, was it just out of the blue?
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Kaylin
It felt like it was out of the blue. All of a sudden I was experiencing anxiety, which is, I mean, I'm thankful. I've really never experienced that in the past. So all of a sudden I had this anxiety out of nowhere and I noticed my clothes getting tighter. So I hopped up on the scale and was shocked that it was seven pounds up. And then I measured, did some measurements and yeah, I was thicker in the waist as well.
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Amanda
How does your, what's your lifestyle like? Do you have a high stress job?
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Kaylin
Not really. I mean, it's been a little stressful the last I don't know, handful of months, but I mean, really, it's not a high stress job. Kind of my daily schedule and I try to be, I try to be intentional about my sleep as well. Just again from learning from you guys that sleep is super important. I try to go to bed between 8:30 and 9 because I do have to get up early. I like to work out in the morning. That's really my only opportunity to. So I hit the gym at 4:30 in the morning. I'm there for an hour to an hour and 15 minutes. I get to work just after seven, get home just after five, have a little bit of time to do dinner and wind down. And then that's my day.
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Amanda
Yeah. Step number one, I would get tested for heavy metal mold. I would get gut health testing, parasites. Look and see if you can find parasites. The reason why I'm saying that is when you see big fluctuations in weight out of nowhere or you do a detox, you lose seven pounds of inflammation is what it sounds like. That, that tells me there's, there might be something else going on. And if, if one of those is the issue, then you got the solution. Now if, if you do that testing, they're like, look, you don't have any mold toxicity. There's no heavy metal issues. We didn't find any parasites. Then. Then I would go back to what Adam said. I had a client like this and it took us a year. It literally took a year because we would do this reverse diet back, reverse diet back down. Nothing would happen. And so what I did is I kept her at a nice maintenance, slightly above maintenance for a year. So for a full year, it's like we're just gonna stay here and we're just gonna get strong. And then we did a cut and her body responded. So. And now leading to that, she was a chronic overtrainer, chronic dieter, like for years and years and years. That's just what she did. And my theory is that the body has a memory. Maybe it's the central nervous system, and you cut the calories. The body's like, I've been here before, let's adapt. So, but before all of that, I would get the, like I said, heavy metal testing. Get the testing for mold toxicity, parasites, gut health, and start there. And then if that looks good, then I'd keep you, you know, if Your upper limit's 2500, you drop down to 1900, I'd keep you like 2200 for a while and just stay there for a long time.
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Kaylin
Okay. Okay. So Question with that.
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Sal Di Stefano
So.
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Kaylin
And that's kind of what I was thinking I needed to do was to get some of that testing done to eliminate that or just figure that out going forward for right now. So I kind of gave up. I see. I was doing Power Lift through November and December, just figuring, well, I'll take advantage of the experiment, extra calories there. At that time, I. Four weeks in, though, I. I injured my shoulder a little bit. I feel like it might be my labrum, so I just kind of backed off. Been working on anabolic just to keep it basic, but I guess any, any thoughts on what I should be doing next?
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Amanda
Symmetry.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
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Kaylin
Okay.
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Amanda
Yeah, let's do symmetry. Do you have it?
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Kaylin
I do.
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Amanda
Oh, good. Do symmetry.
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Sal Di Stefano
I like symmetry. And keeping your calories at least 22 to 2400 around.
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Amanda
Just keep it there.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Stay in that range.
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Kaylin
Okay.
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Sal Di Stefano
While you get all this testing and get to the bottom of this. Because that might just be like a good sweet spot. Because, I mean, I'm. I'm impressed with the response from the bulk. That's a really good response from the bulk.
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Kaylin
Yeah, I was too.
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Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, that's like a, that's a home run response for a client to be able to increase their calories that much significantly. The scale not move. See all the strength gains, the body fat percentage. I mean, that's such a great, great, great example of your body, like really like taking care of itself and doing what it's supposed to do. The fact that it didn't give you the response body fat wise, by dramatically cutting that much tells me there's either something else going on or your body has just become that adapted to that low calorie, high intensity.
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Amanda
And you know what led me to kind of point in the direction of the testing is, well, here's another sign, right? Well, the anxiety is a big sign. And you said, my hormones went crazy. That was interesting. If you're on hormone replacement therapy, that hasn't solved all of those strange symptoms. Anxiety, sleep issues, hot cold, intolerance, energy up, energy down. And it helped a little bit, but it's like, still I'm kind of like, what's going on? That makes me think, okay, there might be something else happening.
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Kaylin
Gotcha. Okay, any thoughts on. So prior to, prior to July, like by June, you know, I'd be kind of hanging on around like 160, 163 for a while and had been doing really good there. And then like I said, in July, I put on another seven. And then over the last little bit, I put on, even put on some more. Do you. Is any thoughts on that or is it how what we just kind of explained?
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Amanda
Yeah, maybe. I mean, did anything change or is it just like out of nowhere? No, you're tracking everything and nothing changed.
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Kaylin
Yeah, well, now I did. I. Let's see. It started in November just because I knew I was going to be doing power lift. I was slowly reversing again, but this time I definitely gained more weight than I had in the past when I did a reverse.
- [116:54]
Amanda
Yeah, where are you at right now?
- [116:55]
Sal Di Stefano
We also had holidays around that time.
- [116:57]
Kaylin
Right now I dropped back down to like the 18, 1900 range just because I was just getting really frustrated with how my clothes were feeling.
- [117:05]
Amanda
Yeah, you're fine. I'd keep looking. Keep it around two, around 2,000. Up a couple hundred, down a couple hundred. And just stay there for a while until you get the test results back. If the test results come back negative, still stay there.
- [117:17]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, I like, I like you around 22, 2400. The fact that 2600 gave you what you saw results tells me that's you'll probably need closer to that. And maybe 20 staying between 22 and 24 will probably allow. Some days where you're a little under on calories, some days you're in a little bit of a surplus. And if, if we do it just right, maybe we can just have this beautiful exchange of. I don't add a little muscle, lose a little bit of body fat. Maybe that's what.
- [117:43]
Amanda
I don't disagree. I mean, I, I said a little lower just because she just suddenly gained weight. Yeah, but I don't disagree and just.
- [117:52]
Sal Di Stefano
I would love for you to follow up with us after the testing. Anytime we have a, an interesting case.
- [117:56]
Amanda
When you get those results, let us know because I'd love to have you back on the show if we see something.
- [118:00]
Kaylin
Okay. Yeah, absolutely. I would love to be back on.
- [118:03]
Amanda
Okay.
- [118:03]
Sal Di Stefano
And then hopefully we see you. I don't know if you've been coming to the webinars or not, but, you know, Sal and I every other month have been doing the free webinars for the trainers. So hopefully we see you in there.
- [118:11]
Kaylin
Yes, I've been able to attend one. A lot of them. I have to watch the replays. I just, it's, it's a time issue between, you know, my training with my clients and trying to get you guys and my NCI courses as well.
- [118:26]
Sal Di Stefano
Good. At least you're watching the replays. That's good. That's awesome.
- [118:28]
Kaylin
Absolutely.
- [118:29]
Sal Di Stefano
All right.
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Amanda
Thank you.
- [118:31]
Kaylin
All right. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you so much.
- [118:33]
Amanda
You got it. Those were clients like, that were challenging as hell, but also very rewarding.
- [118:41]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [118:42]
Amanda
But it was like a puzzle. All right, what is going on?
- [118:44]
Justin Andrews
What's the piece?
- [118:45]
Sal Di Stefano
What's.
- [118:45]
Justin Andrews
What's gonna lock?
- [118:46]
Sal Di Stefano
She did say something. I know she. I know she said July. Not much, but I heard her say two things that kind of conflict a little bit. She made the case of, like, oh, you know, I decided I'd go on this reverse diet or bulk, because it was the holidays. I would just use the extra calories.
- [118:58]
Amanda
What does that look like?
- [118:59]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And so, you know, maybe some of the weight gain over the holidays was. Your reverse diet was a little bit.
- [119:06]
Amanda
More higher than you said.
- [119:07]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah, higher, you said, because you were enjoying. Because those. Those foods can creep up real fast. You have a. What you think is a tiny slice or something.
- [119:13]
Amanda
300 calories more.
- [119:14]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. Yeah. So that. That. To me, that might be the. That, which is why I thought maybe that was why she put on a little bit extra during that time. I don't know. But this is. I've had this. I've had clients before.
- [119:24]
Amanda
Super common.
- [119:25]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah.
- [119:25]
Amanda
But when you get it, it's.
- [119:26]
Sal Di Stefano
And it's. And let me tell you, it's tough to get that client who, you know, they want to lose 15 pounds or so. You know, 15, 20 pounds they want to get off, and they're. They're not. Not quite where they want to be yet. We got great results when we reverse dieted them as far as strength, building muscle, and not putting weight on. Like, for somebody who is trying to lose weight, then you need to understand that being able to increase your calories by 800 calories and not gain much and not gain much weight at all is huge win. Huge win. So that's such a positive sign of moving in that direction. But then when I go right back and I say pull 800 or a thousand calories off, and they don't see any weight loss from it.
- [120:02]
Amanda
Yeah.
- [120:02]
Sal Di Stefano
I mean, that a lot of times is from somebody who just was chronically under eating. Yeah.
- [120:07]
Amanda
The person I had lived at a thousand calories ran all the time. We reversed her up to. I don't remember what it was. 23, 2400 calories. And I cut her. I cut her down to 1600 calories, and she'd lose, like, two pounds.
- [120:17]
Sal Di Stefano
Yeah. And then what is going on? Yeah, they lose a little bit. And most of that's just water because they're eating so many than last and then they hard plateau.
- [120:24]
Amanda
Yeah. And I'm like what is happening?
- [120:25]
Sal Di Stefano
Well and you heard her say, right. She said, you know, I was, you.
- [120:28]
Amanda
Know, chronic over training.
- [120:29]
Sal Di Stefano
Chronic. She was doing hit hit boot camps and 1400 calories. So and, and that she had that as a job and you know, as a trainer. How much you move?
- [120:38]
Amanda
Oh yeah.
- [120:39]
Sal Di Stefano
So you're moving a lot. And if you're, and who knows if you're doing some of the class those, some of the boot camp stuff with them, like. Yeah, that's a. I know.
- [120:45]
Justin Andrews
Well, Courtney experienced that a bit with the anxiety and you know, attributed more to the Hashimoto's now and like thyroid issues and so but she's obviously, you know, kind of taking meds for thyroid. But yeah, it's, it's a conundrum.
- [120:58]
Amanda
Right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is mindpumpjustin. I'm mindpump distefano. Adam's mindpump.
- [121:04]
Adam Schaefer
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