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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth
2556: Overtrained? How to Reset Your Body in 7 Days & More (Listener Live Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach three Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Can you get your body back on track in 7 days? Yes! Here is your 7-day recovery reset. (2:11) Brain.fm works! (13:10) The impact of...
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Sal DiStefano
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Adam Schafer
If you want to pump your body.
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Justin Andrews
And expand your mind, there's only one place to go.
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Adam Schafer
Mind Pump. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode, we had live callers call and we got to coach them on air through their health and their fitness. It's a good time, but this was after our intro. Today's intro is 54 minutes long. That's where we talk about fitness studies, current events. Today we talked about how you can get your body to recover quickly in seven days. That's all. 54 minutes long again. And then we got to those live callers. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this, email us your question@live mindpumpmedia.com this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Brain fm. This is breakthrough, revolutionary stuff. Literally, you put your headphones on, you listen to these patented sounds that induce certain states of mind, like sleep, meditation, focus. It really works. In fact, if you go to Brain FM mindpump, you get 30 days for free. Try it out. It will blow your mind. This episode is also brought to you by Ned. Today we talked about their Mello product. Take it before bed for better sleep. It has different forms of magnesium. 70% of people are deficient in magnesium. I know I am. When I drink it before bed, I get way better sleep. Go check them out. Go to helloned.com mindpump Use the code mindpump. Get 20% off. We also have a sale on some workout programs this month, Maps Performance and Maps performance advanced, both 50% off. If you're interested, go to maps fitnessproducts.com and then use the code 3-50 for that discount. All right, here comes the show.
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Doug
T shirt time.
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Justin Andrews
And it's T shirt time.
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Caller
Oh, shit, Doug, you know it's my favorite time of the week.
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Justin Andrews
Five winners this week. Three for Apple Podcasts, two for Facebook. The Apple podcast podcast winners are Zoe J E 60 plus, fit and dipstick lifter. And for Facebook, we have Braden Richards and Ben Koka. All five of you are winners. I just send the name I just read to iTunes. Mindpumpmedia.com include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you.
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Adam Schafer
Your body stopped progressing. You're sore, you have insomnia, you just don't feel good. Watch this. We're going to give you the seven day recovery reset. Do what we say and in seven days you get back on track, stronger and better than ever. Let's do this. Yeah. So this is based off of our seven day reset recovery guide.
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Caller
I'm proud of this thing that we put together.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Doug, what's the link to that? Just if people want to get the mindpumpfree.com mindpumpfree. It's totally free. So I'm gonna be talking about this right now. Gonna break it down. But the guide itself has pictures and.
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Caller
Really kind of goes into scripture, has real direction. Cause for some reason it's hard for people to really get into that headspace.
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Adam Schafer
Right. So the idea is that you're probably redlining a lot. You've identified this. You never miss a day. You work out real hard and you're like, okay, I know I should take some time off. That'll get my body back on track. But is there a better way than just taking time off? And the answer is yes. You can really amplify this or turbocharge yourself and it's not doing nothing. There's stuff that you do do which I think is better for people who are consistent. You actually give them something to do and it gets you back on track. And many people who do this, they come back to the gym stronger. So that's the whole point with it.
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Caller
Yeah, this, this creating. This reminds me of when we created map symmetry in the sense that it was one of those things that I feel like we answered a thousand times on the podcast before we finally said.
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Doug
You know, we should probably write something.
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Caller
Or create something for our audience. Because we keep prescribing this thing to people all the time, telling people, because we get these callers that are just overstressed, over trained, overworked, and then go, okay, well what do I do? And then it's like, you know what? We've never sat down and put something together like that. And the feedback's been incredible.
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Adam Schafer
So I've done this actually. I took this and actually followed it for a seven day period and I came back and I did. I just felt way stronger than when I had left it. Like, totally did the job. So this is how you start, right? So day one and two is the first 48 hours. Those are the only two days of this entire seven day reset where you're doing complete rest, meaning you're not doing any exercise, you're not doing any stretching, you're not doing any mobility work, no trigger sessions, you're just completely resting. But there's more. You're also going to make sure that you drink about a half a gallon to a gallon of water a day. If you're a bigger person, aim for a gallon of water, smaller half a gallon. But what that water does, what that extra water does is it, it does hydrate the body. It also tends to reduce the amount of other things that you tend to drink. So for people who like to enjoy soda and stuff like that, tends to reduce that. But really it's about hydration and it does speed up that kind of recovery process. Getting rid of, you know, the, the, of the byproducts of over training, the stress, the things that stress produce in the body helps get them out of the body. You're also going to aim for about eight and a half hours of sleep. So not, I know they say seven to eight hours, but we're in recovery mode. Eight and a half hours. All right. How do you do eight and a half hours of sleep? You go to bed nine hours before you want to wake up. You want to give yourself 30 minutes of time to fall asleep. So if you go to bed at 10pm Then you want to make sure that nine hours later is where you have your alarm set. So that's the most important part of all this. And then Also on those two days, get 30 minutes of sun exposure in the morning. This is going to help set the circadian rhythm. The data on this is very clear. Sun exposure in the morning earlier, right? The better you get better sleep at night. And this makes a big difference when it comes to recovery. So that's the first 48 hours. The next 48 hours you continue doing what I said. So you continue the. Except for rest, because you are going to be doing some stuff now. You continue the water, continue the eight and a half hours of sleep and the 30 minutes of sun exposure. And now you're going to add hot, cold, contrast showers. This I learned years ago from an exercise specialist or correctional exercise specialist. Back in the day I was just a trainer, so I knew build muscle, burn body fat, but I didn't understand rehab and correctional exercise exceptionally well at all. And I had a mild injury and they said to me, go, when you take a shower, do 30 minutes, sorry, 30 seconds of really hot water, about as hot as you can tolerate on the muscle that's injured, and then do 30 seconds of freezing cold water and alternate that back and forth. And what that does is the hot water is a vasodilator, opens the blood vessels. The cold water is a vasoconstrictor, and it constricts the blood vessels, essentially pumping blood and fluid in and out of the area. And you do that for five minutes, ending with the cold at the very end, for about a minute or two. And the reduction in soreness that I felt after that five minutes was so pronounced, this became a staple for. Have you guys ever experimented with this, like, by accident?
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Caller
Like, so I was. I started out really, like, hot, and then I don't know if somebody was running the laundry or what, and it just went to cold. Didn't want to get out, and just kind of stayed in and dealt with it. But, like, man, it was exhilarating. And, yeah, I was super hammered from, like, my hamstrings were super sore and all that before that because of working out. But, yeah, I did feel an impact from.
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I remember the first time I was at Refuge, one of my favorite places to go to with Katrina, and it just happened. I was training hard. I was during competing days and stuff like that, and just almost chronically sore, and then spent the day doing that. And I was like, oh, my God, I never felt so good after feeling that sore that fast from that. And then forever is like. That's become like a staple move whenever I overreach.
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Adam Schafer
It'll cut your soreness, like, by 50%. It's. It's remarkable. And then ending with the cold, so you get that exhilarating kind of energy. You're Also, on days three, day three and four, gonna walk for 10 minutes after each meal. This is for insulin sensitivity. If we. We wanna improve insulin sensitivity, that definitely helps with shuttling nutrients into the muscles. Amino acids and glycogen. And then this is my favorite thing to do, or my favorite part of this is static stretching right before you go to bed. So static stretching is when you hold a stretch for 30 or 60 seconds. So it's like the kind of stretches you learn in school where you just do a long stretch. Now, the key with this is to deep breathe while you do this, because if you hold your breath and tense yourself while you're doing a static stretch, you'll actually offset the effect that we're looking for. What's the effect we're telling the central nervous system to relax.
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Caller
Very parasympathetic.
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Adam Schafer
Yes. So the reason why, when you do a static stretch, you'll notice while doing the stretch that you start to get greater range of motion. Like you go to stretch your hamstrings. If you hold that for a minute, all of a sudden you can go 2 inches deeper or 3 inches deeper. It's not because the muscles suddenly became longer. It's because the central nervous system weakened its grip on your hamstrings. And so when you static stretch your body before you go to bed with deep breathing. Cause if you hold your breath, that'll offset the CNS kind of dampening. What it does is it tells the entire central nervous system to relax. And this really can benefit your sleep.
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Caller
Yeah, you get better sleep. And two, I don't know if you've ever worked out and you had some tight muscles and you just go to bed. You wake up in the morning and it's like, it reinforces that tightness. And I walk around with kinks to start. So it's just another way to kind of combat that and relax yourself before bed.
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Adam Schafer
Totally. So days five and six, we're getting close now to the end of the seven day reset. You are going to be adding a trigger session once or twice a day. So a trigger session. Use bands. It's way more effective with bands because bands are less damaging on the body. And what you're essentially doing is you're picking four or five exercises and you're getting a little pump throughout the body. So it's not a workout. So be so be mindful. Don't go into this with your bands. Like, I haven't worked out for four days. I'm gonna get like a crazy band workout. No, no, the goal is just to get a little bit of a pump. It's like what you see bodybuilders do backstage before they go pose. You're not trying to do a workout. It's moderate intensity. But do some, you know, some two blocking, do some, you know, lateral raises, some curls, some tricep extensions, maybe some flies. Give yourself a little bit of a full body pump. This should take you about 10 minutes, 15 minutes at the most, but probably 10 minutes, and do that once or twice a day. And what we're essentially doing is, is we are kind of priming the body to get ready to start getting back into it. You Also, on day five and six, now bump your calories by 10% over what you were eating before. So if you don't know what your calories were, add a 200 calorie meal. So essentially we're doing now is we're leading into the end of the week. We want to get you in a surplus is what we're looking for. So add a. For most people this will be about 200 calorie meal. If you know your calories, just add 10% to that. So if it's 3000 calories, on average, 300 calories. If it's 1500 calories, 150 calories, add that now on day five and six and then day seven, stop the trigger sessions. You add a 30 minute mobility routine. So if you're not familiar with mobility work, you can go on our YouTube channel, we'll show you what that looks like. But essentially you're moving your body through full ranges of motion and just getting things loose. You're cutting the trigger session and you're going to bump the calories again. Add another, for many of you, 100 calories to the 200 calorie meal. So it's now 300 calories or 15% above what you were doing before. So now you're in a surplus, an additional surplus. If you do this right, you should go back to your workout feeling really strong, really good and get really, really good pumps from following that.
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Caller
How long ago was this when you ran through it?
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Adam Schafer
This was a month ago.
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Caller
Oh, just recently.
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Adam Schafer
About a month ago.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
And I got back into working out and I got, you know, just great, really, really good gains from doing this. And you know, the data on doing stuff like this, you know, deload weeks or taking time off when people are really consistent with their workouts, the kind of people that this is going to work for or people that just impact the most, they. The data on this is clear. Like high level strength athletes that take a deload week make build a lot of muscle during the deload week, strength during the deload week and they outperform their competitors because they do something like this. So really important that you, you know, that you, you, you consider something like this. And again, the guide is totally free. In the guide though we also, we include like examples of trigger sessions, example of mobility work and static stretches. So if you want pictures and stuff to go along with it.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Then you just, you just follow that. So it's pretty cool.
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Caller
You know, talking about sleep and recovery and I mean I've been going through it for the last four or five days. This was, this flu that hit me was every bit as bad as round one of COVID which was crazy.
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Adam Schafer
You guys had little influenza. Oh, yeah, Influenza A.
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Caller
It was bad. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was really, really bad. Like I said, I haven't felt that first, second round of COVID was like, nothing for me. But the first round of COVID got me good and had some of the worst migraines I've ever had. The sweats, all that stuff was going on. But I had a question for you because I did something last night and it seemed to work really well for me, and I was curious to what your theory was on what was at play. So I've had really, the last four or five nights, incredibly restless nights. I'm on all kinds. I'm taking all kinds of medication, doing all kinds of stuff, you know, sleeping in the middle of the day. And so that's all kinds of factors at play. Like, and I know that I was coming back to work today, and I'm like, man, I gotta get to sleep. I'm laying in bed, it's like 11:00 at night, and I'm, you know, my mind's spinning about all the things going on at work and what I'm behind on and all the stuff. And I'm. I'm just like, you know what? Like, let me, Let me throw my brain. It's been a long time since I've thrown Brain FM in at nighttime to try and get rest. And I put it on and I did. I fell into a great deep sleep and ended up falling asleep within probably 30 minutes to an hour after I had done that and slept really well. Do you think that had anything to do with just the fact that my mind is racing all over the place and it settled that down. Like, what do you think is the main factor that it played in that? My ability to get to rest like that.
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Adam Schafer
You did sleep. You did the sleep version. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so what Brain FM does is through external sounds, it'll induce brainwave states that we find that you see when people sleep, okay. So when they're. When they're doing an E, you know, EMG of a brain, they can tell by looking at the brain waves if the person's sleeping, if they're active, if they're dreaming, like what REM stage are in or whatever. And so what they've done with what Brain FM has done is they've figured out how to induce that with. And they're the only ones that. That can do this. They're. They're patented. Their methods are patented, though. So that's what it did it just induced a sleep state in your brain which allowed you to sleep? So probably all the stress and sick, you know, you were. You missed the day of work. Right. We had to record without you. And so it was probably just gotten you out of that state of mind. Yeah.
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Caller
It's weird sometimes. Like, it's almost like I heard it playing all night long. So I think that I didn't really get sleep. But then I recall all these dreams that I had too.
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Doug
So it's a trip.
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Caller
It's happened to me a couple times like that where I was like.
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Doug
I just.
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Caller
I thought I wasn't sleeping, but of course I was because I also recalled all these dreams that I had too. And then I feel rested out afterwards. But then I also feel like I can recall hearing it all night long.
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Your subconscious is still receiving it. And yes, it's funny because I kind of have a story about Brain FM recently too. We were driving up to Truckee and it was snowing. And so we got up to, like, Donner Pass, where it's like the craziest and we're like, the only car that got through, like the last. Right before then they closed. They closed it off to everybody. And so none of it was groomed. It was like, all fresh and. And, you know, thankfully I was driving the Yukon. It had, like, pretty good traction, but I was like, you know, white knuckling it a bit. Like, it started really coming down. And I was listening to music and I was like. I just got to put on, like, focus or something. I gotta, like, get in, you know. And I was driving with my friend, and he's like, what is this?
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You know, what are we listening to?
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We listen to this weird, you know, noises. And. And so it got me, like, focused. But then it was like, almost too intense. I still felt, like, stress. I put it on the meditate and then it was like, oh, yeah, it was such a trip. Like, I had no, like, anxiety. I wasn't like. It was.
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Adam Schafer
I don't know.
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Caller
It worked really well. And it was funny that I just thought to do that while I was in this, like, you know, sort of state where I'm like, trying so hard not to, like, slide off the cliff.
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Adam Schafer
Dude, in scare. In. In stressful situations, the last thing you want to do is amp up. Yeah. You know, I was already here. I see that before tournament for, you know, jiu jitsu tournament. I get so amped that I'd like, exhaust myself in the first minute. Minute of the match. And I'm like, what? I Had so much stamina in the gym. What's going on here? See, that was too, too much. I should have chilled myself out.
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Caller
I've shared before in the podcast the research they've done on that with like your, your superstar athletes. That, that, that's actually one of, one of the things they attribute to. Obviously there's many things that the best of the best. Yeah. Separate the best of the best, like their athletic abilities. But one of the key factors that is. Isn't highlighted a lot that they, they think plays a huge role is their ability to remain unbelievably calm for whatever reason in the most heightened stressful situations for most the average person. And they've done it by like measuring their heart rates in those moments. Like it's a free throw to win the game. And it's like you should be racing in that moment.
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Just crazy.
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Adam Schafer
I was, I was driving with my sister in law. She's an ER nurse and she does, I mean, you should, she'll, she'll send us stories about the craziest stuff that she's got to do in the, you know, in the emergency room, like people showing up, gunshot wounds and women, you know, half giving birth. And she's got to do all stuff. So she's like super, you know, she's trained. But also I think genetically she can just stay kind of chill. And we were driving, and we were driving, they came to visit and we went to go eat dinner. We're driving home and this guy pulls out in front of me. Like, I mean, I almost hit him and I slammed on my brakes. And she does this with her hand. Hold on. And then we go around it. And while she's on the phone talking, I'm like, you didn't like freak out or like, like most people in the pastor just.
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Caller
Ah.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah. So like, I don't know if that's a good thing, you know, you know, but she was totally chill. Like, that's hilarious. Yeah. Anyway, I got a study that I want to bring up about fat infiltration into muscle, you know. Yeah. So Dr. Gabrielle Lyon talks about this a lot. Right. So it's like the amount of fat that's in muscle or the quality of muscle, how much of an impact it has on health because we tend to look at just body weight. One of the reasons why strength is such a good predictor of all cause mortality is because it tends to correlate pretty well with muscle quality. Right. So quality muscle tends to be strong and functional. So what they found in this study. Let me Find. Find out what the study was. This was a published study in the European Heart Journal. So what they found was every 1% increase in fat infiltration within skeletal muscle raises the odds of coronary dysfunction by 2% and heart event by 7%. So every 1% increases heart event risk by 7%.
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Caller
Wow.
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Adam Schafer
So a one, just a 1% difference will bump at 7%. So you have 2% now you're 14%. Three, married at 20.
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Caller
That escalated.
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Adam Schafer
Isn't that wild? Isn't that wild? So some of the findings decreased muscle mass and increased intramuscular body fat, but not overall obesity were linked to microvascular dysfunction. Trip off that. It was muscle quality predicted this far better than just overall overall body fat.
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Caller
Wow.
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Adam Schafer
So this. This is. I think that they're going to start changing the way that they look. So here. Both lower coronary flow reserve and higher intramuscular fat were independently predictive of greater risk for death, heart attack and heart failure. So not just. Not obesity. In other words, you're probably better off being overweight and strong than you are being skinny. For sure. And weak, which we've talked about before.
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Caller
For sure.
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We've alluded to that before.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Caller
I'd like to see, like, a study on somebody who has, you know, let's say poor muscle quality and a lot of, you know, fat in there.
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Adam Schafer
On top of it.
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Caller
On top of it. And how. How long to reverse that?
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Adam Schafer
Right. Like, how long does it take to change? Yeah, yeah.
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Caller
Like, is it. Is it harder and longer to do that, to reverse it out of muscle than it is to just trim body fat in general, too?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's, you know, that's the thing that Dr. Gabrielle Lyon said, is that it's a difficult.
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Caller
Yeah. How do you.
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Adam Schafer
It's hard. Yeah. Like, they're not, like, easy, common tests to look. In fact, I don't know, you know, how they're. How they're doing.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Because, like, the only thing I think is, like, biopsy or, you know, you can't. Can't do that.
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Adam Schafer
Biopsying the whole body. Yeah.
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Caller
No, just a chunk of muscle.
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Doug
No.
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Adam Schafer
I wonder if it's mri.
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Caller
Yeah, probably.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Maybe with contrast or something like that to see, you know, kind of.
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Caller
Yeah, yeah, Good guess.
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Adam Schafer
That's what I would guess. But I. I thought that was really interesting.
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Caller
That is interesting.
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Adam Schafer
You know, we had a dis. We had a discussion on a previous podcast on the. The rise of autism. You guys remember that? We talk about how it's gone up, like.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
An insane amount. Just incredible amount. Right. Well, anyway, someone in our forum and the autism discussion, it's a hot, hot topic. It gets. People get really upset with. Really upset, which is interesting to me. It's that it's been kind of like. I. I'm not quite sure. I think I. I think it's because. I want to say it's because when you're a parent, I know how I would feel. Right. You have a parent. When you're a parent and your kid is autistic, one of the last things you want to understand or realize that maybe you thought something was okay and it wasn't and may have contributed. So maybe that's why there's so much, you know, anger around it. Because they talk about vaccines, there's a talk about, you know, different potential contributing factors, and people get really riled up. Especially parents will get really riled up with each other. Well, someone in our forum said, well, I know a little bit about this. My daughter, I think it was her daughter that is autistic. And she said the rise in autism is because they've greatly increased the parameters of how they screen for autism. In other words, we now, we used to only look at.
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Caller
We have a very wide spectrum of.
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Adam Schafer
We used to only look at the extreme forms of autism, whereas now we're looking at this huge spectrum, and that's why there's this huge increase.
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Caller
You can get a diagnosis.
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Adam Schafer
So she said that, and I said, I've heard that before. Let me look it up. Let me see if there's any way that we could either prove or disprove what she's saying. So what I did is I looked up the instances of the extreme forms of autism because that's what they were testing before, and that's what they're currently testing. Well, guess what? Those have also skyrocketed. So there may be a percentage of the increase incidence due to screening, but it doesn't account for nearly all. Not even close to all of it. Yeah. So there for sure is an increase in autism.
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Caller
I think the. I think part of the reason, too, why it causes that is that in my opinion, it's most likely a multitude of things. It's not just one. And I think it makes people feel like that's like the smoking gun. And it's not just the smoking gun. And I think we know enough to know that it's probably not just that one thing or that can't be quite the answer for everything. And so trying to pin it on one thing, I think that's probably. And then there's Also the factor too, if, you know, as a, as a dad, I give the doctor the permission to give those to my kid. And so, you know, that would just, that would rip me apart if I find out 10 years later that, you know, I gave the doctors permission to give my son this vaccine that potentially caused this thing in him. That's not going to sit well with a lot of parents. You know, you're going to probably, until that's a hundred percent proven fact, you're probably going to deny that as much as you possibly can, because at that point, whether it's true or not true, you can't go back and change it. And so you're going to be at peace denying it than you are accepting that.
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Adam Schafer
The reason, I think the reason why it's so hard to find that the smoking gun is because, like, I think what you said is right. I don't think it's one thing. Yeah, I think it's probably a combination of things that are creating kind of this perfect storm. And it is something that we're doing because the rates are skyrocketing. And again, I looked up the. And I can't remember how what they call it, but it's the really extreme forms of autism. I can't remember that there was a term that they used just tracking that, that tripled from 2000 to 2010. I believe just that from 2000, when it was already on its way up. So something's going on, something's happening where, you know, we used to rarely ever see this, and now it's becoming so common that, I mean, I think everybody's room probably knows a parent child. Yeah.
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Caller
You know, people in my family got that diagnosis.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, I think that's pretty crazy.
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Caller
You know, speaking of kids, I saw this. I wanted to, maybe Doug can look this up to fact check this. I saw this clip and I didn't get a chance to fact check. And I know I should before I even ever mention anything that's on the Internet these days. But I thought it was interesting and I, you know, I believe it at face value.
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Doug
So let's see if it's true.
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Caller
They said that the average child today gets less sunlight than our prisoners do.
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What?
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Yes.
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Adam Schafer
That's.
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Caller
Does it not seem plausible?
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Doug
They have scheduled.
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Caller
They have scheduled time to get out. You're in prison, so you can't wait to get outside and walk around and get in some sunlight. Right.
- [26:53]
Give them like, what, like an hour or so? Like per day maybe?
- [26:56]
Adam Schafer
I, I would look up how much sunlight does the average child Get. That's what I would look up.
- [27:02]
Justin Andrews
Well, according to this, that is true.
- [27:04]
Adam Schafer
Oh, my God.
- [27:05]
Justin Andrews
Prisoners are guaranteed a minimum of two hours outdoors.
- [27:09]
Caller
Two hours.
- [27:10]
Justin Andrews
So think about kids, you know, inside with their 12,000 parents.
- [27:14]
Caller
This is the one. I. This is the one.
- [27:16]
Adam Schafer
Okay, so survey 12,000 parents in 10 countries found that one third of children spend less than 30 minutes outside each day.
- [27:23]
Caller
Dude, is that not so? You know, you talk about. You talk about something. This is what sparked me for autism, so that there's such a. A multitude of factors going on in our society that cannot be healthy and good for our children.
- [27:35]
And rhythms are all off.
- [27:36]
Oh, man. This son is so important.
- [27:38]
Doug
Right.
- [27:38]
Caller
And I'm not by the. I'm not trying to make a leap to Austin. I'm just saying that there's a lot of things that. That we. We're doing today that is not helping our children's health, you know? Yeah. Being in front of screens all day long. They're getting less sunlight than prisoners are. I mean, that's wild to me, bro. Not crazy.
- [27:55]
Adam Schafer
That's insane. That's so scary. That's so scary to me.
- [27:57]
Doug
It is.
- [27:58]
Adam Schafer
Kids. It wasn't that long ago where you. I mean, kids were always outside. You couldn't get them inside. In fact, going inside was. Was a punishment, and you just flipped.
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Caller
That was the rule was when the sun came down, you had to come in. That was like how I was told.
- [28:11]
Adam Schafer
You know, when it started, I think it started with the fear of kids getting kidnapped and whatever.
- [28:17]
Caller
So suddenly, parents tracking for parents, the overbearing, you know, like, I want to know where they are at every moment.
- [28:23]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. So, you know, which, by the way, kidnappings have gone down. So I'm sure it did contribute to that. But what are the. You know, what are the side effects of that? Now you have, like, you know, a third of children spend less than 30 minutes a day. I mean, do you guys remember when you first got your driver's license in the 90s? And if you were driving after school through any neighborhood, like, you had how many kids were out in the street, you have to stop for them because they were playing or whatever. Do you ever see that? Now you don't.
- [28:50]
Caller
I mean, I. I think. I think more has to do with tech. I think that.
- [28:55]
Adam Schafer
Well, that definitely.
- [28:56]
Doug
If you.
- [28:56]
Caller
I mean, if you put 10 kids under the age of 10 right now in front of us and asked all 10 of them, I'll give you an hour to go outside and play or an hour in front of video Games or iPad 10 out of 10 are going to say, I'll take the iPad.
- [29:09]
Adam Schafer
In the beginning was parents getting scared, right? And then it turned into, you know, cable TV, 24 hours a day, cartoons and stuff like that. I remember when that happened because when I was a kid, there was nothing on TV half the time. Yeah, you couldn't watch TV because nothing else all broadcast. So they had to put it on a certain time Saturday morning. So then that. And then that turned into, you know, video games and iPads. And then now it's like, well, you.
- [29:30]
Caller
Know what's funny about that is, like, you pay attention to that as a parent, and then you see who they're hanging out with. And, you know, we've definitely used a bit of our influence to kind of filter out the kids that just want to stay in when they come over.
- [29:43]
Adam Schafer
And.
- [29:43]
Caller
And so, you know, the ones that are very adventurous, want to go outside, want to, you know, go fishing, do activities, do all these things. Like, they're invited over quite a bit more. And it's just like, you know, that I'm looking for that. I'm looking for those type of peers.
- [29:58]
Doug
Just such a.
- [29:59]
Caller
Such a good point. I brought it up the other day. Do you guys remember I told you that we. When we went up to Truckee, that I was with a couple who I'd never hung out with? It was one of my son's, like, best friends at school. And we had been up in Truckee for, like, three days, and never once did I see the kids with the iPad. And I'm like. I'm like, I've never seen that from another kid's kid before. And I asked him, they said, oh, yeah, no, he's. They.
- [30:23]
Adam Schafer
We've.
- [30:23]
Doug
He's.
- [30:24]
Caller
We've never introduced him to it or anything at all. And I'm just like, oh, man. You could tell because his no desire to sit. And never once did the kids come up and be like, oh, I want my.
- [30:32]
Adam Schafer
You know what, too. Here's the deal. Like, so at least a couple days a week, typically. Usually one, but sometimes two. I'll be with the kids most the day. So Jessica will take off, do her thing. I'll be with my. With the little ones. And when I'm with them, we go to the park twice a day, every day. Twice a day. In the morning, we'll come home from my daughter to take a nap, and then we'll go back to the park. Okay, Two times a day. If I keep them inside, like, when it rains. It sucks when it rains. And we're inside, you want to pull your hair out. Because little kids in the house, fever. It's like, you know, you don't know what to do with it. I got to, like, run around and come up with creative ways to have fun with them. Otherwise, it's very, very alluring to be like, watch this.
- [31:14]
Caller
Yeah.
- [31:15]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I need a break. Be glued to this. Yeah. Put this on. So it's like, I don't know how parents do it. I think that's why. Because when you keep your kids inside all day, of course they're driving crazy. So, yeah, you want them to sit down and be quiet. Take them outside. Dude, that's. That's the only way to. The only way.
- [31:30]
Caller
Yeah.
- [31:30]
Adam Schafer
I can't manage them in the house, in the park. It's easy.
- [31:33]
Caller
I mean, if it falls on us. That's why what Justin just said resonates so much with me, because I. I think about, too, like, you know, just seeing the difference in. In his friends that he plays with. Like, I'm gonna do try my best to influence the ones that have those same habits and behaviors more of. Because I imagine if he's got four or five friends and they're into hitting the ball outside and building forts and doing things like that, they'll.
- [31:55]
Doug
They're.
- [31:55]
Caller
They'll organically, naturally do it, and we'll be fine.
- [31:58]
Likelihood.
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But if he's got that friend who.
- [32:00]
Doug
Like, literally carries his.
- [32:02]
Caller
You know, he's got his own little iPad or iPad that he, like, carries everywhere he goes.
- [32:06]
Yeah.
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Like, yeah, that kid just wants to do that all day. And my kid literally had that situation.
- [32:11]
And this kid, like, brought his backpack and, like, all the electronics and the headphones.
- [32:15]
Yes.
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And we were like, oh, you're not using any of that. And he's like, whoa. Like, freaking out. And then, so, you know, Everett, his other friends are outside, and he just was, like, refusing to go outside. And I was like, this is what we do here. You have to figure it out. And the kid was just like, I don't go.
- [32:33]
Adam Schafer
Can I call my mom?
- [32:34]
Caller
Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, I feel like, as dad, I got to do that. You know what I'm saying? I have to pay attention to that or. Or else I'm. I'm going to fight an even bigger uphill battle when he gets older. And that's all his friends. They all game, and they all do that. And then now you're. Now you're the dad who's trying to change the teenager's friends.
- [32:51]
Doug
Good luck.
- [32:52]
Caller
You know what I'M saying, good luck doing that.
- [32:53]
Doug
But he's at an age.
- [32:54]
Caller
Yeah, exact.
- [32:55]
Doug
Exactly. He's at a young enough age right.
- [32:57]
Caller
Now that I can start to see little thing patterns like that with. And just like you, Justin, I've seen the kid who comes over with the iPad glued to his hand already, and then the kid who doesn't even have one. And it's like, there's a clear difference to me how they play and what.
- [33:12]
Doug
They like to do.
- [33:12]
Caller
And it's like, man, if I can find ways to kind of manufacture that, you know, at an early age and hopefully organically, he'll be drawn to that, and I won't have to step in as a dad as a teenager and.
- [33:23]
Doug
Be like, yo, dude, you got to.
- [33:24]
Caller
Get some friends that do something outside, you know? So, like, hard.
- [33:28]
Adam Schafer
I just read this. This crazy story about this man. His name is Bishnu Sristha. Maybe Doug, you could look him up.
- [33:37]
Caller
Real easy one to pronounce.
- [33:38]
Adam Schafer
I know it's. I look. So it's a crazy story. I wasn't familiar with this guy. He's like a total. It's like a superhero. So this. This is in India. I'll read you the story. He was a Nepalese Gurkha soldier. Are you guys familiar with Gurkha soldiers?
- [33:54]
Caller
Is that like their version of like a. Like a Green Beret?
- [33:57]
Adam Schafer
I think they're like badasses.
- [33:58]
Caller
Yeah, like a Green Beret or whatever.
- [34:00]
Adam Schafer
And they're experts at using this, like, curved knife that's like this long.
- [34:03]
Caller
Oh, wow.
- [34:04]
Adam Schafer
Okay. So anyway, this guy's a retired Gurkha soldier. He's on a train, and he's sitting there, and 30 to 40 armed robbers attack the train.
- [34:14]
Doug
Okay, 30 to 40 armed robbers?
- [34:16]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Attack. That happens. Yeah. He was sleeping when they got on the train, but they grabbed. There he is right there. They grabbed an 18 year old girl who was sitting next to him, and they intended to rape her. So he pulled out his curved kukuri. Can you look up his knife? I'm gonna see what this looks like. It's a K H U K U R I. I don't know how to pronounce that. Kukuri knife that they all carry.
- [34:39]
Caller
The half moon.
- [34:40]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. So pull up his. The. The knife, Doug. So he pulls out the knife and he goes after these guys. Yeah, he goes after the guys. I think he killed three of them.
- [34:49]
Caller
Wow.
- [34:50]
Adam Schafer
Injured a bunch of them. He gets injured himself. But they all ran, they all fleed. And he saved the train. He becomes like a stud. He Becomes like this superhero.
- [34:58]
Caller
Yeah, I didn't even. I've never even heard of a 30. 30 people robbing a place together. That's like some serious organization because of.
- [35:05]
Adam Schafer
The limited, the limited space. I was thinking about that one. How do you take up. How do you take on 30? Well, if you know how to use a knife, that makes a big difference. But yeah, also because it's a train, you know, 30 guys can't come at you all at once.
- [35:15]
Caller
Sounds like wild west, dude. Like, you know when they used to like have train barons that would come in, like, you know, steal everybody's stuff.
- [35:22]
Adam Schafer
Imagine being on that train. This bad ass pulls out a knife and just starts.
- [35:24]
Caller
Is this an old story or a new one?
- [35:26]
Adam Schafer
I think it happened in 2010, right? Is that what that says, Doug?
- [35:29]
Justin Andrews
Yes.
- [35:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [35:30]
Caller
You just came across it somewhere.
- [35:31]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, someone did a, like a. It was like a reel.
- [35:34]
Caller
Oh yeah.
- [35:34]
Adam Schafer
And this guy's like, dude, this guy's a badass. He did a whole post on him. Real. Did this really happen? That is super cool.
- [35:40]
Doug
Did you look up the Harvard study asked?
- [35:41]
Adam Schafer
I did, I did, yeah. So it actually happened. I'll pull it up for you.
- [35:45]
Caller
Okay.
- [35:46]
Adam Schafer
So it's a 75 year long study.
- [35:49]
Caller
Oh, it was a 75 year.
- [35:50]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it's a long. It's one of the longest longitudinal studies they ever did. Essentially the result of the study was that kids who do chores are more successful adults. So they, the first thing that they noticed that, that kids need to be successful is love. And the second one is work ethic. And they connected the work work ethic to chores. Kids that were doing chores, helping around the house because there's lots of way ways that kids could get worth work ethic. But that's one of the, I guess the most easiest standard ways is your kid has to contribute in the home. And they found that it made a huge impact on their success. And it says the earlier they start, the better. Which I think is pretty cool.
- [36:31]
Caller
I, I thought I read too that they also connected it to their self worth. Like so that it also in, in built that in them early on too. It's just like they, they had value. They were contributing something to the family, to this society. And so that had a lot to do with playing in the role of their success.
- [36:48]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Because they're actually, they feel like they're, they're a part of this, this team.
- [36:53]
Caller
Well, something related I saw, I mean, I think it was actually Huberman was talking about this study and it's something that confirms a lot of what you've said a lot of times, too. And let me see if I can remember. Like, I totally forgot it for a second. But it was related to praising kids after they do.
- [37:15]
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Versus praising the work.
- [37:17]
Doug
Work. Yeah.
- [37:17]
Caller
And how that.
- [37:18]
Adam Schafer
Hard work.
- [37:19]
Caller
Yeah. If you praise their actual work ethic versus, like, they. They dropped off in terms of their productivity.
- [37:25]
Adam Schafer
Huge difference.
- [37:25]
Caller
Like a huge difference. When you praise them for being intelligent and smart, it's not.
- [37:30]
Adam Schafer
It's not a good thing to tell your kid. This happened to me when I was a kid. This is a true story. When I was little, people used to tell me all the time how smart I was. I was very articulate, so it's hard to imagine, but I had a big mouth as a kid. And so people are like, you're so smart. You're so smart. You're so smart. I got tested for. Back in those days, they did gate classes. Gifted and talented.
- [37:50]
Caller
Oh, yeah. Tested for that too.
- [37:52]
Adam Schafer
And I remember that the test was a little challenging, and rather than struggle through it, I just didn't want to do it. I just gave up. And I think it's because looking back as a kid, I didn't realize this, but looking back, I identified with being smart, that if I. God forbid, I destroy that image and not do something because I had struggled at it.
- [38:12]
Caller
Right. Right.
- [38:12]
Adam Schafer
So I just gave up. So it's like, you tell a kid what a great athlete they are. You're the best athlete. You're the best athlete. The second they encounter a situation where they're not the best on the team.
- [38:21]
Caller
Yeah.
- [38:22]
Adam Schafer
They may not want to. They might not want to do it at all.
- [38:24]
Caller
Yeah.
- [38:24]
Adam Schafer
Because.
- [38:24]
Caller
Or they fold completely.
- [38:25]
Adam Schafer
They. Yeah.
- [38:26]
Caller
Yeah.
- [38:26]
That's funny. I dropped out of that program. I got in, and then I Did you. Yeah. I didn't want to be around all the nerds. I didn't like it. I was like, it's not for me.
- [38:37]
Adam Schafer
I'm your business partner. Worked out well.
- [38:41]
Caller
You're hanging out with the old unite.
- [38:43]
Adam Schafer
That's hilarious.
- [38:43]
Caller
No, I.
- [38:44]
Doug
It's.
- [38:44]
Caller
I mean, it's powerful how we communicate to our kids. I always try and be mindful of. Of that because there. It's hard not to just. Oh, you're so smart. Like to just naturally, organically say that it's. It's coming from an innocent place. You know, you're not. You don't think it's bad to say your kid is smart or whatever, but it's like, you think about it. It's like. Yeah. You don't want to always be reminding that you want to definitely talk about the, the, the, the work ethic that went into the whatever thing that they did good at.
- [39:07]
Adam Schafer
You know, it's really important too. There's some data to support this. My wife does this really well, is some parents are like, they don't say they're sorry to their kid when they mess up because they think it's somehow. Yeah. It somehow devalues their authority. Like I'm the parent, I'm not. Apologize, whatever. And my wife's really good at this. She'll go to my, the little ones, she'll go to them and she'll apologize when necessary for something that she did. And now that my son is four, so my two year old, still too young, but my four year old, when his sister does something to him, I mean, she could throw something at him. She could do what a 2 year old would do. He'll get mad or whatever, she'll say sorry, which number one is phenomenal. For a two year old to say sorry is pretty crazy. But she'll say sorry and he'll immediately forgive her. It's okay. He just gives her grace right out the gates. And I think it's because he learned that. And then the other thing I was going to say is a great way to teach your kids things is not to talk to them directly but tell them a story about it.
- [40:04]
Caller
Yeah.
- [40:04]
Adam Schafer
To create a story about.
- [40:06]
Caller
Not directly.
- [40:06]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Oh, I do that every single night. If there's something that happened during the day.
- [40:10]
Caller
Yeah.
- [40:11]
Adam Schafer
You know, like a, you know, kid lost his temper, like my son lost his temper or whatever. I'll tell a dinosaur story or something about, you know, you know, you know, T. Rex got really angry and then he did this thing, you know. But then he realized that he had to control his. And it's, it always. It seems to work.
- [40:27]
Caller
No, it's powerful. That happened last night with Katrina. She's really good at that too. With apologizing. Oh yeah, very good with that. I mean, I'm also extra. I'm good too because I'm sensitive to that because of my thing with my own, my own family and stuff like that.
- [40:40]
Adam Schafer
You never gotta apologize.
- [40:41]
Caller
Yeah, yeah. So my sister and I are super, super sensitive to that stuff. So I definitely probably at least go over the correct that way, if not. And last night Katrina and I are, you know, we're, we're eating soup. Right. Because I'm not feeling good. And so we both are sitting watching the basketball game and we've got a hot bowl, soup, hole, suit. And then my son comes, like, cutting through the middle of us and wanting to, like, kind of wrestle with Katrina. And she was, like, stern, like, really quick because she's holding something really hot.
- [41:08]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [41:09]
Caller
And, you know, and it totally. Like, we don't. He's so sensitive that it, like, startled him. And he, like, went over the couch, and he kind of started to, like, cry a little bit. And she's like, come here, Max. And then she apologized to him. She goes, listen, Mommy wasn't trying to be angry or mad at you. It was just, I had something very hot that he could have got hurt. And then she explains to him why she reacted the way she reacted. And it's okay. Come sit next to me. I don't. I don't not want you to be next to me. It's just that I didn't want you to spill that and get burned and hurt yourself. And, you know, it's great because you watch. You watch him go through the emotions where he. He has this reactive emotion, and then he calms down, and then he hears her out. Then he understands. And then immediately, all good from there and stuff like that. Just taking that time to go through those stages with them and then help them recalibrate all the world.
- [41:56]
Adam Schafer
I also think it's good because kids, one of the, like, an important realization for life is to realize that we're all flawed. All people are flawed, Everybody, totally. So, you know, and this is a challenge. I think, for some, this can be a challenge sometimes for us where, as a parent, maybe you have issues with anger or maybe you have issues with not paying attention. Right. That can happen with me where I'm not being present sometimes, or whatever. So you end up apologizing for the same thing, and you feel stupid for it. Like, oh, I gotta apologize again for not paying attention. He's gonna think I'm not serious. No, no. They're gonna realize, first off, if it's sincere, that you're. That you're sincerely apologizing, but also that you're human. And that we often people make repeated mistakes, which will help when he does or she does make those same mistakes and realize that that's just the world.
- [42:47]
Caller
That's how it goes.
- [42:47]
I also think. I also think, too, we grossly underestimate how intelligent kids are, because maybe they cannot articulate the same way as we are, but they have, literally, up until whatever age they are, been modeling everything they do off of you and watching everything and learning from everything that you do. And I remember being a young kid and putting things together at a really, really young age and not thinking that my parents realized that, you know, like. And so I can recall back to that and think. So I always try and keep that in mind. Like, I, I always got to remind myself like he's, he's even more aware than I think he's aware. Like, I just, I just.
- [43:26]
Adam Schafer
Even if they can't say their body's aware.
- [43:27]
Caller
That's right.
- [43:28]
Doug
That's right. Like, they, they feel.
- [43:29]
Caller
And I, I'm a firm believer that too. I've said that since he was born. I said I believe those other senses are heightened when they don't have the ability to communicate verbally as well. That they are very, very in tune emotionally into the energy and everything.
- [43:41]
Adam Schafer
They're extra sensitive to their parents because without you they're dead. So what they also will do is they'll internalize whatever you're doing and they'll think it's my fault. It's a survival mechanism. So what do I need to do? I need to fix this thing. I need to. Whatever. So that's another reason why it's important to show them that you're vulnerable and that you're real. Because otherwise what they'll internalize is, oh, you know, my dad gets pissed off all the time, it's me, it's my fault, you know, or they'll get that shame or whatever. So it's, it's, it's tough. It's tough. But it's, it's funny though, because I know this. As parents, I remember my mom would do this really well. She would apologize to me, my dad not so much, but my mom would do it. But yeah, as a parent, it's like, especially when you just, you know, reprimanded your kid. So you're right because they did something that requires discipline. But maybe the way you did it wasn't right, you know, so that's another one that people struggle with is I can apologize for the way I did something which doesn't devalue why I did it. So it's like, you know, I sent you to your room because this thing the other. But I'm sorry I screamed at you, you know, or I'm sorry I was aggressive with the whole thing. That's another one. People, I think have. I had that discussion with my 15 year old because when she gets mad, she's 15, right? She's a 15 year old girl. So that's just what happens when she gets real angry. It'll come out in certain ways. And I said, you can tell me you're mad, but you don't have to act mean. She's like, what do you mean? How do you do that? If you're mad, you're mean. She's like, it's connected. It's all one for her. Yeah, it's all the same. I'm like, no, it's not. You can tell me. I'm really mad right now. Totally different than projecting it to me.
- [45:18]
Caller
Like, I need space.
- [45:19]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah.
- [45:19]
Caller
You just gotta communicate.
- [45:20]
Adam Schafer
Totally different.
- [45:21]
Caller
You know, it's funny though, when you're. We've done a really good job. I feel like with Max, teaching him to express his feelings that way versus I've told you, I've never had a out. Like, he's never done a tantrum or screened that. But then it also flips it on you where you. It makes you feel really guilty. When the kid says something you like, listening goes, you know, that really hurt my feelings.
- [45:39]
Doug
Oh, God. Yeah, bro. When you have, like, a little kid.
- [45:42]
Caller
Say that to you because you've taught him so well to, like, express his feelings, emotions, then you feel like this big after that.
- [45:48]
Adam Schafer
You're like, oh, my 2 year old. She doesn't say, I'm mad. You know what she says? I have feelings.
- [45:56]
Caller
When Max was crying and he called, what got Katrina to say, I'm sorry is Max said, you know, you hurt my feelings. I just wanted to be close to you.
- [46:04]
Doug
Oh.
- [46:04]
Caller
And so Kristina was like, oh, you.
- [46:06]
Doug
Know what I'm saying?
- [46:07]
Adam Schafer
Destroy.
- [46:07]
Doug
Yeah, just destroy you. You know what I'm saying?
- [46:09]
Caller
So she's like, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. I just. You were right next to the hot, and I didn't want you to hurt yourself. And it's okay. And then she brought them all close to him, but it's like, yeah, you do a real good job of finally teaching that. And then they. Then they learn how to use it really well.
- [46:22]
Doug
Then you have to start to question.
- [46:23]
Caller
Yourself, like, are they manipulating right now or they just express their feelings? Because then there's the next layer to that.
- [46:28]
Adam Schafer
That's so cool. You know, I saw. Recently, I'm trying to find the article. Oh, here it is. Did you guys know that? Okay, so you remember when the four Minute Mile was broken? When was that broken? Was it.
- [46:39]
Doug
It was broken.
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Caller
And it had stayed for a very, very long time. I forgot when. When they got.
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Adam Schafer
Well, they actually was a debate. So the four Minute Mile was. Scientists said it's humanly impossible. Yeah. No one could do it.
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Caller
Then it happened and then it like.
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Adam Schafer
1954, Roger Bannister broke the four minute.
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Caller
And then it's crazy how many people after that.
- [46:56]
Adam Schafer
Oh, I think it was like less than a month later somebody broke.
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Caller
So isn't it. Isn't there a term for that where.
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Adam Schafer
Like we use that as a way to say, like there's mental blocks, like, oh, it's the four minute mile. So like as soon as someone broke it, now we have, if I'm not mistaken, high school boys.
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Doug
Yes.
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Adam Schafer
Will break the four minute mile.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Well, we're getting close to the first woman breaking the four minute mile, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe you could look this up, Doug. Yeah. They're talking about how. Yeah. So there's a study. They actually did a study to see. It's funny how they do these studies. Is it possible? So they're going to try and create the perfect conditions for this one runner. I don't know what their name is. Faith Kippy, Kippy gone. So Faith Kippy gone is getting close. So they're going to try and do is create the perfect environment for her to see if she can break the 4 minute mile. Is that it? Yeah. Nobody. No, no woman has done it yet, but that's it. So what they're going to do. So trip off this right now. I want to know what you guys thought. Think about this. So no woman has broke the 4 minute mile yet. A woman is getting. There's one woman that's close. And what they're going to do is they're going to create optimal conditions and drafting. So they're going to have somebody help like draft and make sure that's like right temperature to get her to break the. I know, dude. Why? I know. I don't know. I don't know.
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Caller
Oh my gosh.
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Adam Schafer
I know.
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Caller
That's so funny. You know?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller
Like, I mean, I. I mean I think it's cool. I think it's cool that she's. It's awesome. If she's at four minutes, four minute one, it's still awesome.
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Adam Schafer
Well, she's at four, seven.
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Caller
Still smoking.
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Adam Schafer
Seven seconds.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah. Which is so fast. Dude.
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Caller
I was trying to think of the term like morphic resonance or something like that. The one where it's like there's somebody that breaks some kind of like advancement.
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Yeah. There is a term for it.
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And then.
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Yeah.
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And then all of us.
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Adam Schafer
Across the world.
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Caller
Yeah, across the world. And then it just some.
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There is a term for it like. Yeah.
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Like frequency. People pick up on and it happens somewhere else in the world. And you're like, what the hell is this? And somebody coined a term.
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Adam Schafer
No, it's not that. That's the theory. Morphic resonance is the theory that suggests that living things inherit a collective memory.
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Caller
Oh, yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Well, that is also cool.
- [49:05]
Caller
That is the term. But yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Which is. Which is completely. Yeah. I don't know how I feel about this. Like they're gonna try to create the perfect conditions to get her to break the four minute mile.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
I mean, I guess it counts. It still counts. Yeah. But you know, they've already fit.
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Caller
Yeah. The formula is this.
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Adam Schafer
And so it's like, you know, Roger Bannister didn't Chuck.
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Caller
Yeah, yeah. Unlike gravel or dirt or whatever it was.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah. Okay, so what's that, Doug? Oh, multiple discovery or simultaneous invention when multiple people independently discover Invent the same thing across the world at roughly the same time. That's. Has that happened a lot of times?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah, it has actually.
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Caller
If you go back and look.
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Adam Schafer
That's weird.
- [49:43]
Caller
Trippy.
- [49:43]
Adam Schafer
That's super weird.
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Doug
You think it's that weird?
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Caller
Yeah, it's kind of like independence.
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I know, but still it's like are just out there.
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Doug
Yeah, but you got to think that.
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Caller
Like, you know, in other countries, other languages, they're all coming to similar conclusions of the same science and math. And they have the brightest minds working on it. And so it's only a matter of time that one of it. So I don't know.
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Because the collection of intelligence and data is pretty similar in terms of like, we're shar. We've shared what we know.
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That's what I mean. That's right.
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And so everybody's kind of working on one part of it, you know, in different areas at one time. So just. Yeah, it's pretty logical.
- [50:18]
Yeah, I think it. I think it's very logical that that would happen.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Sense.
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Doug
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Okay. All right. Are you bringing up instances of that?
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Justin Andrews
Well, I mean, there's all these different ones. 100 monkeys.
- [50:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. The 100 monkey effect. Have you guys heard that?
- [50:31]
Doug
No, what's that?
- [50:31]
Adam Schafer
The hundredth monkey effect is an esoteric idea claiming that a new behavior or idea is spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group of to all related groups. Once a critical number of members of one group exhibit the new behavior. So now pull up why they came up with that. There was an example of that where like a bunch of monkeys learned how to do something like fishing. And it happened like on an island also at the same time or something.
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Caller
Well, I remember there's this. This video or image of an orangutan who figured out how to fish by watching humans fish nearby.
- [51:03]
Adam Schafer
Oh.
- [51:03]
Caller
And it was. Yeah.
- [51:05]
Adam Schafer
Did you hear? Did you hear?
- [51:06]
Caller
It was a trip.
- [51:07]
Adam Schafer
Did you hear. I forgot what animal reservation it was. Or. It was like a. It was in Africa, which is a continent. I know this. Okay. But there was like, it's an area there where they. There were two male lions having sex with each other. And the officials came out and said it's because they learned it from watching the Western. Western visitors. We don't have gay lions. They learned it from watching. Lies. Did you guys hear about that? No, I didn't. He blamed it on the animals, dude. American visitors. All right, so this. It's. So the theory originated. A young female monkey washed her potatoes. Potatoes in the sea to remove sand. Her family and. And their families. So her family, playmates, and their families followed suit. Over time, the behavior spread throughout the troop. When the 100th monkey adopted the behavior, it was considered a tipping point for the behavior. And then it spread to other groups. Oh, I see.
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Doug
So, like, it takes a hundred people.
- [52:04]
Caller
So it takes 100 people to adopt something before it becomes, like, widespread, before.
- [52:07]
Adam Schafer
Other groups start to adopt it.
- [52:09]
Justin Andrews
So this is a Japanese study, but apparently it's been discredited as well.
- [52:15]
Adam Schafer
Well, I want to know how the hell Everybody in the 90s knew how to blow inside the freaking.
- [52:20]
Caller
I know. I think that's interesting.
- [52:22]
Justin Andrews
100 monkeys, for sure.
- [52:23]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, dude.
- [52:23]
Caller
I mean, I think that's really what.
- [52:25]
Adam Schafer
By the way, it did nothing. That's.
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Caller
Actually, I disagree. I still. I've got one at home right now, and I'll. I tell you right now.
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You ever take an eraser?
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And let me tell you that, too.
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Yeah, an eraser. Yeah, it worked.
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Adam Schafer
Why did we all know this with no Internet?
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Caller
I don't know. We just tried things.
- [52:42]
I tell you, I'll do it 10 times doing anything, and you'll blow on it, and then. And then I'll do 10 times with blowing in it, and you'll see. I guarantee you could. There's gotta be somebody who's actually done that.
- [52:53]
Adam Schafer
No, no. There was a meme. I saw this meme where there were two Nintendo cartridges talking to each other, and one was a new game, and one of them's an old game. So. Bro, trust me. He's like, loosen one of your circuits. He's like, why? He's like, just trust me. He's like, all Right. He loosens it, and the guy takes it out and blows it. He's like, oh, yeah. Stup. Anyway. Yeah, no, see, it doesn't work. See, that's what the Internet says. The placebo effect.
- [53:16]
Caller
Bro. Bro. It's not.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller
I'm going to go home. I'm gonna do like a. I'll do like a control.
- [53:21]
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So what do you guys think? I got the top nutrient deficiencies. What do you guys think they are?
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Caller
I'm gonna pull up vitamin D, magnesium, zinc. Is zinc up there?
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Justin Andrews
Probably.
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Caller
So, yeah, definitely B vitamins.
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So here are the D, magnesium, B. What else?
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Adam Schafer
Here are the seven top nutrient deficiencies. Here we go. Okay. Iron.
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Caller
Oh, it's actually really hot.
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Adam Schafer
Iron is really high. Now they're going worldwide, so I don't think this is as common here, but 25 of people worldwide, 47 in preschool children. Oh, that's interesting. 30% of menstruating women tend to be deficient.
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Caller
D. And Magnesium are over 50.
- [54:05]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Oh, really? Is that. Is that what you read? Let me see. Yeah, let me keep going down. Iodine. That's the top one. That's why they added it to salt, by the way. It's because of such a high deficiency. Vitamin D. That one's definitely high. In the United States, 42% of people may be deficient.
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Doug
42.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. 74 of older adults and 82% of people with dark skin. So racist. Yeah. Next we have vitamin B12. B12 is a high deficiency. Calcium is another one. Vitamin a is mag.
- [54:39]
Doug
Like 60.
- [54:39]
Adam Schafer
And then magnesium. Magnesium's there, too. Close to 70% of the US population under 71% consume less than the required amount of magnesium. So it's so true. So here's why I looked this up. So I haven't used mellow Ned's mellow in a long time. And my sleep has been just not optimal. I don't know what's going on with my sleep. I didn't know what was happening, and I was trying all kinds of different things, all kinds of melatonin and. And it helps, but sometimes I wake up groggy or whatever, and I forgot all about mellow.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Started using mellow again. Slept great.
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Caller
Ever since we had that lab results test with Dr. Cabral, I started doing it again because it's. Yeah, I forgot all about how much of an impact that was making.
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Adam Schafer
It's so easy and it's magnetic. It's just really good, usable forms of magnesium. And plus they add a little gab in there, but. Yeah. Remarkable.
- [55:31]
Caller
Remarkable. It was a game.
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Adam Schafer
Do you use it every night?
- [55:34]
Caller
Yeah, that's like that staple.
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Doug
Yeah.
- [55:36]
Caller
I mean, there was only a short period of time there where I was testing it, trying to figure out if this was for sure what was making the difference. And it's like. Yeah, it's become. I mean, and this is why it's almost anytime someone kind of talks about sleep, like, that's the first thing I always ask is magnesium. Just because I know. I knew the stats were high. I thought it was 70. Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was like 64 is what I thought.
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Adam Schafer
That's most people, right? The big majority.
- [55:59]
Caller
So there's a good.
- [55:59]
Doug
Like, there's a good chance.
- [56:01]
Caller
There's more than a 50 chance that you are probably somebody that this will make a big difference in. And so I always recommend that. I'm like, if you're not taking a.
- [56:09]
Adam Schafer
Magnesium, by the way, everybody, if someone like Adam and I notice a difference from taking mellow because we need magnesium, we both eat healthier. Now, we're not perfect, but we both eat healthier than most people.
- [56:21]
Caller
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So if we need it, then you probably do. Yeah. You know, that's the way I look at it.
- [56:26]
Caller
Yeah, I think so too. I agree. No, it's. It's. It's one of my favorite products and most consistent that. That I use, always has been.
- [56:33]
Adam Schafer
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Justin Andrews
Our first caller is Robin from California.
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Adam Schafer
Hi, Robin.
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Caller
Hi, Robin. How's it going?
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Sal DiStefano
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. So I have been experiencing lower back pain for the last three years. In 2022, I was in the middle of anabolic, and I started getting a little lower back pain. And I finished. Did great, loved it. But afterwards, I decided to take a little break, and I was kind of hoping that, you know, maybe I just pulled something, you know, it would get better. I stopped working out. That was in July and in April the next year, I was still. The pain was still there. It had not gotten any better. And I was getting really frustrated. I wanted to lift again. And I started thinking, well, maybe I'm having some inflammation issues. So I cut out gluten completely and it fixed it. I completely. It went away. I felt great. Slowly, over time, started working out again. It started picking up a little bit. And then of course, the gluten free kind of fell off a bit. You know, I still, for the most part, like 80, 20. I would keep gluten out, but the pain was back. So I did another round of anabolic because I just didn't want to stop. Got all my weights up to where I was before, and then I took another break. And since then, I've been completely falling off the wagon. I just couldn't get back into it. I just. I have a constant ache in my lower back. Cut to last year, in November, I pulled something in my knee getting into bed. I'm 45 years old. Like, I was. I couldn't walk for days. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on. So to start the process of getting checked out, I went to urgent care and they just did an X ray just to kind of start the initial, you know, diagnosis. And the doctor came in and she's like, you're only 45. She goes, I was looking at your X ray and you have, like, severe arthritis in your knee. I was expecting to be just 45 years old. I was shocked, you know, got pretty upset about it because I didn't, you know, I didn't realize that it was anywhere near that bad. I would feel it walking up hills. I just thought it was inflammation. Started thinking, well, my back's been really bothering me for years now. Talked to my doctor. I'm like, can you just do some X rays while I'm there? Let's just get this knocked out. So I did X rays of my lower back, hips, and my cervical spine, and they all came back with varying amounts of osteoarthritis in them. Mild arthritis in my bilateral hips, Advanced Arthritis at L4 through S1, moderate arthritis in my cervical spine, and advanced arthritis in both knees. I freaked out, cried a bit. My kids are like, what's wrong? I'm like, oh, I'm getting old. What is happening? I don't understand why this is going on. I don't know where to go from here. Every day I have a constant ache in my lower back. Right now, I'm just walking my dogs. I take them, I go uphill, which my doctor, I went to the osteoarthritis or osteoarthritis. Osteopathic surgeon. And he's like, you need to stop working out. No more lifting weights, no more weighted squats, no more leg presses. Not that I ever did leg presses, but you need to swim, you need to walk and do some wall sits. You're just at that age. And I got really upset and my husband's like, what? You know, what do you expect? You're 45. I'm like, I'm only 45. I did not expect this to happen. And I just, I don't know where to go from here. I'm super frustrated. I've. I love lifting. You know, I like, I had decent lifts. Like, you know, I got all my lifts up every single time. And now I feel like if I'm. What can I do? I don't know how to. What exercises that I can replace to help with the squats. I just, I don't know where to go from here. What would you suggest?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's tough. So you don't have arthritis, it sounds like, due to overuse or poor movement patterns.
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Doug
Autoimmune.
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Adam Schafer
This is autoimmune. The fact that you reacted so well to removing gluten definitely hints to that. And the fact that it was found everywhere you've X rayed hints to that. So the strategies to work on the autoimmune issue, and I would highly, highly suggest you work with a functional medicine practitioner to find the root cause or the triggers and to modify lifestyle to work on that. It's not a correctional exercise issue. You know, a surgeon is going to tell you don't do certain exercises. That's, you know, that's like palliative care. Like, okay, well then if that hurts, don't do it type of deal. But that's not really solving the root issue. So I would work with a functional medicine practitioner and then I would also listen to some of the episodes we did with like Dr. Tina and some of the. Now these, this is all anecdote at this point. We don't have data on this, but showing the GLP1 low dose effect on autoimmune issues, but definitely work with the functional medicine. I've worked with clients like you and pretty darn good success rate.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Doug
Just gonna say reversing things.
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Caller
I have to.
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Doug
Robin, this. The. Don't lose hope at all. This is actually, we can definitely Work through this process. It is, but like Sal's saying, this is, it's going to be through diet. That's gonna, it's not gonna be movements you do to fix or solve something like this.
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Caller
You.
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Doug
And you've already, which is exciting that you've already kind of hacked into it. You've already started to realize what, what an impact the, the gluten makes. And to his point, going through a functional medicine practitioner and getting a full blown test to see all the things that. And if you approach the same way, it sounds like you've had discipline with strength training for so long. If you approach the diet with that same mentality, you're going to get a lot of relief. And then what. And of course, the doctors are saying things like, don't this, don't do that. Listen, movement with arthritis is one of the best things that you can do. Getting that blood flow, getting that circulation. Yes. The squats and things like that might be hurting right now because of the inflammation, but if we can bring that down, we very much so could get back to doing some of these things that you love doing. Moderate, intense intensity at first. But diet is going to be everything. I mean, diet is going to be everything in this situation. Figuring that out and that will dictate the way you approach your workout. If you know that diet hasn't been really in line and that you might be inflamed a little bit, that's not the day I go try squats or do things like, that's the day I'm walking and just moving. And then the days when I'm really dialing down. Now I can start to play with those movements at moderate intensity and see how I feel again.
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Adam Schafer
But they're going to look at things like molds, they're gonna look at issues with pain, parasites, potential gut hyper, you know, wall hyperpermeability, so leaky gut. They're gonna look at all those things to try to kind of find the root issue as to why your immune system is attacking its bones. Yeah. And that's the only, that's really the only path I see at this point. The, the western medicine approach typically is going to be anti inflammatories and strong drugs, which will provide temporary relief. But. And again, the fact that you cut gluten out and noticed a big difference gives me a. Like, when I heard that, I'm like, oh, okay, there's light at the end of the tunnel for sure. Yes. If that had that kind of an impact, then I think working with somebody, you know, if you work with someone from, like, Dr. Cabral's team. Are you in our MP holistic health group on Facebook?
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Sal DiStefano
I am, actually. The problem is the tests are pricey.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
So it's not something that I'm able to do right now. But I did just have the regular doctor take, you know, all allergy tests, and he's like, well, just because they come up negative doesn't mean that you don't have a gluten insensitivity.
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Adam Schafer
It's just.
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Sal DiStefano
These are just what the parameters of these tests show. But, yeah, just being able to take it to that next level.
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Doug
Well, that's a. So, Robin, you can. And if that's. If funds are, like, for. I know how expensive all those tests can be, too. You can start doing stuff like an elimination diet, though, now to start to troubleshoot yourself. You know, like following, like, a carnivore type of diet where you're really, really strict. And really, if you do that solid for, like, 30 days, you can then begin to start to introduce foods, obviously, avoid trying to avoid the ones that you already have an idea that you think might be. You might be intolerant to, and then slowly build your diet from the ground up like that. And so that's a way you can troubleshoot yourself. It just takes a little bit of discipline, of sticking to a very plain, boring diet for a while to bring all that inflammation down. And then you slowly introduce foods one at a time and really watch how your body responds.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, I'm. You know, I've done that in the past, and obviously, like I said, kind of fall off a little bit, but I do make all our food, like, we don't eat out, you know, maybe we'll have poke, you know, once a week or something. So it's actually really easy for me to do that, and I have been, for the most part. I don't eat a ton of gluten, but I think I do need to kind of take it even.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Doug
Go to the. Go to the deepest level. Because, Robin, one of the things which.
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Caller
Is weird how this. This.
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Doug
And the guys I know have experience with this, too, sometimes it's a food that we would consider a healthy food, and so it easily gets biased. It's like, what avocados? Those are healthy.
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Adam Schafer
It's not just that, though. When you're dealing with an autoimmune issue, and it's very reactive, it could be any tiny amount. In extreme cases, it could be seasoning. So you. So to see if this is really gonna help again, if you can't do the testing, and you're gonna try this on your own to see if this is really gonna help. You have to be 100%. You can't be 99%. You have to be 100% if indeed your immune system is being triggered. Okay, so we're not talking about, like, oh, I get a little, you know, digestive issue or whatever. So I'm gonna go less and see. This is an autoimmune issue. So you have to go 100 to see if it's actually the case. Not. Not even 1% off. So cut out, like in the common intolerances are gluten, legumes, egg whites, dairy. You know, you could even cut out complete grains. You can go full carnivore if you want to go all the way and then start from there.
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Doug
I mean, that's what I would do. I do carnivore for 30 days and then rebuild from there.
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Adam Schafer
But even people will like. Like people with a really extreme cases when they go carnivore, they'll add a little garlic to their steak, and then, boom, autoimmune issue comes back. So we don't know in some of these cases, we don't know quite why the immune system is so sensitive. But for a lot of these individuals, like, it solves the problem. It's just a radical lifestyle change. So it kind of sucks, but I think it sucks less than obviously progressing arthritis.
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Sal DiStefano
So do you think the osteoarthritis could get better?
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Adam Schafer
Well, definitely could not get worse, but in my experience with some of the people that I've talked to better. I mean, Mikayla Peterson is a very famous example. I don't know if you know who she is, but she's the one that kind of popularized the carnivore diet. And now her. She was extremely reactive. We had her on the podcast, and she reversed everything. She reversed every. She had to have joints replaced. It was so severe as a kid. She had to have her, you know, an ankle replacement. And. And things had to happen when she went full carnivore. Just salt and meat is where she. Where she's at. It got complete remission, but she had other symptoms that were extreme as well, like depression, anxiety. Like, lots and lots of different things were happening. But so. So that's the direction I would go if I were you.
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Doug
A lot of times it'll just. It'll keep it at bay to where you can do your normal life and function. And maybe you don't reverse or go the other direction, but it Keeps it at bay enough to where you can get back to strength training, doing the things that you love. My autoimmune is psoriasis. My sister's is endometriosis. And even though yours is arthritis, all very similar in the sense that it's being triggered from our diet, our lifestyle, stress, things like that. And I've never been able to reverse mine completely, but I can keep it at bay. Like if I'm good on my diet I'm doing and keeping stress low, it'll keep it at bay to where I almost feel like I don't have it, but I know I have it and it's there.
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Caller
Right.
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Adam Schafer
Are you, are you. Do you feel pain now? Do you notice it now?
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Sal DiStefano
Not when I'm sitting, but anytime I walk. I was just in the car drive. I was taking my kids to school and I get out of the car and I'm like, I'm just walking and I'm stepping up things and I feel it and so lower back and it's achy. It's not anything I can't live without, but it's there.
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Adam Schafer
But you don't want it to get worse. Have you ever done a prolonged fast?
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Sal DiStefano
No.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So prolonged fast would be an easy way to just check. So you know, like, like a, like a 48, 72 hour fast. Oh my God. I feel much better. Oh, okay. There's some diet stuff that's definitely triggering this. And again, we don't know in many of these cases why people's bodies can be so hyper reactive, but we do know it's on the rise. We do know cases of like, of all autoimmune issues, including food allergies, have completely exploded. We're right around the same age. I'm sure you remember when we were kids, you didn't know anybody with peanut allergies. They're everywhere now. That's one example. But all autoimmune issues seem to be on the rise and for, for many of these people, they can solve it with lifestyle changes. Of course, the. It's not perfect because you have to make these lifestyle changes, but it's. It definitely makes a big difference.
- [70:27]
Sal DiStefano
Well, do you want to hear my conspiracy theory?
- [70:29]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Caller
Yes.
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Sal DiStefano
I believe it started after I got Covid for the second time. I. The second time I got Covid was just in December of 21. And then this started in February of 22. But I lost my ability to smell and I still don't have it back all the way.
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Adam Schafer
Oh.
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Sal DiStefano
And then my inflammation issues, such as they are is what started also. So that's kind of what led me down the path, even try glutenate. You know, taking out the gluten, stuff like that. So I was like. I started looking into that. I'm like, why can I still not smell at this point? And then said, well, there's inflammation issues, most likely caused. And so I do really think. I don't know after, you know, 42 years to all of a sudden have this issue pop up. I think it has something to do with that, and I still do, especially listening to you guys talk.
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Adam Schafer
Have you. Have you looked at the protocols to get rid of the spike proteins and help some people have issues? Okay.
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Sal DiStefano
No, I have not.
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Adam Schafer
Doc, what's the name? Dr. McCullough. Dog.
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Caller
McCullough has.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, his name is Dr. McCullough. He has a. A. He has a structure for people who maybe's bodies didn't react well to covet or the vaccine to help get rid of the spike protein. So you can look at that as well. Yeah. And just a direction to kind of research a little bit for yourself. But I. I think you. If I had to speculate based off of what you said, so now we're in speculation world, but, you know, you could have had the genetic predisposition for this autoimmune issue, and an infection like Covid could have pushed it over the edge.
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Sal DiStefano
Good. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of how I feel.
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Doug
So did you send her that link?
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Caller
Doug?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, I can do that.
- [72:08]
Doug
Doug's gonna send you the link to that.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Sal DiStefano
That'd be great. Thank you.
- [72:12]
Adam Schafer
You got it. All right, well, good luck. Okay. Stay in touch. Rob, I'd like to hear back from you in a few months if you do some of the stuff to see if you've noticed any improvements.
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Sal DiStefano
Okay. Yeah, I would love to. Thank you.
- [72:20]
Doug
All right.
- [72:21]
Adam Schafer
Thank you.
- [72:21]
Sal DiStefano
Okay, Take care.
- [72:23]
Adam Schafer
That's tough. I mean, but I mean, the fact that she said, oh, I know. It's a huge improvement from, you know.
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Caller
Yeah, that's the.
- [72:29]
Adam Schafer
The light at the end, hopefully. It's just that, you know, and for people whose bodies are reactive, 80% gone, you'll still be reactive. You have to get rid of it completely.
- [72:39]
Doug
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
It has to be 100%. You know, when I've worked with people like this, you know, I had one woman who. She wasn't celiac, but she had really bad gluten intolerance. And if. If she was getting all these reactions, couldn't figure out what it was. It was like a little soy sauce well, you know, that has some gluten.
- [72:56]
Doug
And a lot of times, at least this has been my experiences. It's not. I mean, one thing sometimes is like the major offender, but then there's like a spectrum of like other things too, that kind of trigger it combined and then combined it's like the perfect storm. But it's like. And you know that one. Okay, I definitely can't have that. But then there's all these other things like I think I can or can't.
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Caller
And it's.
- [73:14]
Doug
Figuring that out can be life changing for somebody like this.
- [73:17]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Cooper from Washington.
- [73:20]
Doug
What a. Cooper.
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Adam Schafer
What's happening, Coop?
- [73:22]
Caller
What it is great to talk to you. I've been watching you guys since 2020. I was only 16 then.
- [73:30]
Doug
That's cool.
- [73:32]
Caller
Great, great advice all around. So my question is about how to avoid injury after destroying a plateau. So recently I destroyed my squat and searcher plateau, but by significant amounts. So zercher went up 80 in one day and squat went up 50 in one day. I think I unlocked glute drive that I wasn't using before. Um, but I. I don't know exactly how it happened.
- [74:10]
Adam Schafer
It just did.
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Caller
But now I'm lifting significantly higher and I don't want to injure myself.
- [74:17]
Adam Schafer
You on gear.
- [74:21]
Caller
Magical pills?
- [74:22]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. How'd you get so. How'd you get so strong so fast?
- [74:27]
Caller
Well, I. I'd guess that my quads had the potential for it.
- [74:32]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [74:32]
Caller
Since I was maxing out the leg extension.
- [74:35]
Adam Schafer
Oh, okay.
- [74:35]
Doug
The D ball might have had something to do.
- [74:38]
Caller
Fed me these weird trend balloon.
- [74:41]
Doug
He said it already. He said he. I mean, and, And I've seen this happen when a client. The light bulb all of a sudden goes off where it's like, I, I mean, you actually.
- [74:47]
Adam Schafer
I mean, I don't think you need to worry about injury because you're lifting with better skill and technique.
- [74:53]
Caller
Right.
- [74:54]
Adam Schafer
So, yeah. So I don't think that's an issue. Now as you now you are getting pretty strong. I'm seeing your lifts here. You're getting pretty strong. You always, always, always watch tempo and techniques. So what I think you should do is the weight that you now can lift. I would stay there for a while. Even if you could go up higher.
- [75:11]
Doug
And even slow it down a little bit.
- [75:13]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [75:13]
Caller
So like pause reps would be great.
- [75:15]
Adam Schafer
Right. So let's say you're squatting. You're 315. What was that, a one rep max? Yes. Okay, so what are you doing your sets with? Are you doing sets of one or are you doing sets of five? What does your workout look like?
- [75:28]
Caller
Usually sets of five.
- [75:30]
Adam Schafer
Okay, so how much did that change.
- [75:33]
Caller
That I brought that up about 20.
- [75:36]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [75:37]
Caller
20, 30.
- [75:38]
Adam Schafer
Okay. So I would stay at the 20 pound heavier mark now with the 5. And then when you feel like you can add more, don't just slow down the reps and get real perfect. In other words, allow the new strength gains to solidify, allow yourself to feel real comfortable with your new strength and then jump again.
- [75:56]
Doug
It's also great. This is a great time. Like, you got good strength gains from this kind of five by five training. Now you transition after that into like a different type of programing. Like, are you following any of the MAPS programs right now?
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Caller
The last one I did was performance. That was before a jujitsu tournament. But I haven't followed any MAPS program since then.
- [76:16]
Doug
But this is, this is like what I like to do with it. Once we. You've obviously reaped some great benefits from five by five training, strength training, then it's like, okay, let's go do something like Strongman or old Timey or something that is unique and different to how you're currently training to where you almost have to go learn a new skill again where. Which will have to force you to go lower and weight, but then you'll also progress in that. Right. So what happens is sometimes is guys get excited because they watch a lift like the, the squatters Searcher go up and they just want to keep seeing that go up. And so they're, they're tempted, they want to keep adding and that's where the injury happens. But hey, enjoy these gains for a while. Take some of the advice Sal is saying. And then probably in a couple weeks, let's move to a program that you're unfamiliar with that challenges you in different ways. Like a MAP strong or like a maps old time symmetry or symmetry. Like those are all great ways to keep you from not just pushing the weight. You know, in the 5x5 training is move away from that training for and then come back and then watch if you got stronger again, which would be really nice.
- [77:17]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Just give you an example. Like when I would hit a PR in a lift, I would go back to my previous weights and I would just perfect that again even though I felt so much stronger. So I would touch a new record, right. I, oh, here I am. I'm at this new strength record. Then I'd go back to my old lifts and just slow down the reps and really get connected to my lifts. And then allow myself to incrementally move up to get comfortable and solid with the new weight. You want to acclimate to this new strength that you have. And the way that happens is through practice and also incidentally is how you get stronger, faster.
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Caller
Yeah, it's all about the support system. That's why like something like symmetry might be a good follow up to that because you'll be able to really iron out any imbalances or anything that may be potential performance leak. So that way too, you feel this new potential. But now you're not going to be exposed because every time you go up with intensity, you know that that magnifies.
- [78:17]
Adam Schafer
So do you have symmetry?
- [78:20]
Caller
No, I don't.
- [78:20]
Adam Schafer
Let's send that to you.
- [78:21]
Doug
Yeah, good call.
- [78:22]
Caller
Okay.
- [78:23]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah. That way you follow that program next. I think that'll be a good follow up.
- [78:27]
Caller
And it hits five by five again in the, in the fourth.
- [78:29]
Adam Schafer
Oh, at the end. Boom.
- [78:30]
Caller
You'll see.
- [78:31]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. At the end you'll get some new, you'll hit some uprs.
- [78:34]
Doug
Yep.
- [78:34]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [78:35]
Caller
I had heard you guys talk about at one point people who do steroids.
- [78:40]
Adam Schafer
Their.
- [78:43]
Caller
Their tendons or ligaments, they won't keep up with the muscle growth.
- [78:46]
Doug
It does.
- [78:47]
Caller
Yeah.
- [78:47]
Doug
It doesn't catch.
- [78:47]
Adam Schafer
I was worried that, no, you're fine.
- [78:49]
Caller
No, I'm not doing steroids.
- [78:51]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, no, no, no, no, you're fine. If you're not doing steroids, no, you're fine. And that happens, that happens with anabolics for a couple different reasons. One of them is that they just off topic. One of them is they actually increase CNS drive. So somebody would take a steroid, like a famous steroid that would do this would be like Anadrol and they'd be like, oh my God, I added 50 pounds to my, you know, my bench press. Inin a month they didn't gain 50 pounds of muscle even though their weight went up because they're holding more water. But their CNS drive, in fact some of those steroids will make you stronger immediately. You'll take it and go work out and they'll get stronger, take some of the governing off and power lifters will use certain steroids for that. So that's, that's why some of the injuries happen is a CNS drive goes through the roof and they're not able to, and they're, they're not acclimated to it. But you, you don't have to worry about that. You train naturally.
- [79:39]
Doug
Yeah.
- [79:39]
Adam Schafer
You're training properly. The issue for you with injury would Be if your technique or form go off.
- [79:44]
Doug
Yeah. Or you keep staying in the same fate. This whole trying to get stronger. Yeah. Overuse. But I mean, I think you already hinted to what probably happened. You probably just. Your technique got better. You got. You got better. And the glutes a bigger muscle. And so you're. And that is. That's actually really common. Many times I've had somebody who I'm teaching how to squat. They can never get. And then all of a sudden the. They. They activate those glutes and it's like, oh, the weight's moving totally different now. And. And I'm not really worried that. Oh God. They're gonna. They're gonna get too much too strong too fast right now. It's just that they finally have actually locked into what they already were. You were already that strong. You just figured out how to organize your muscles in order to actually see your full potential.
- [80:23]
Caller
Yeah.
- [80:24]
Adam Schafer
You're doing good.
- [80:25]
Doug
We'll send over symmetry to you, Cooper.
- [80:27]
Caller
Awesome. I appreciate that, you guys.
- [80:29]
Adam Schafer
You got it. You got it, man. Thanks for following, huh?
- [80:31]
Caller
Yeah. Keep at it.
- [80:32]
Doug
Yeah. I always love when we have like a 16 year old kid that's been listening for that long.
- [80:38]
Adam Schafer
Well, he. So he started at 16 when he was in 2020. So how old is he now? It's 25 years. Yeah, that's 21. That's great. You know, it's funny, we're talking about the steroids or whatever. There's. I used to have this power lifter that I knew worked for me very shortly, but he worked for work with me. He would talk about this one steroid called check drops. You ever heard of this?
- [80:56]
Doug
Never heard of that.
- [80:57]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it's. The chemical name is Molarone. Anyway, it. It's the. The prime. The way that Powerlifters use it is not like to build muscle. They use it to make them mad. So they would take it before a lift and it would increase aggression and they'd be stronger. So it's like a pre. Con. Like a pre.
- [81:17]
Caller
You know what? Roid rage. Like associated.
- [81:21]
Adam Schafer
I think so.
- [81:22]
Doug
I mean that's a lot of. That's how they use the. The nose ones, whatever. You know, the ones they break and then you.
- [81:27]
Adam Schafer
Oh, smelling salt.
- [81:28]
Caller
Yeah.
- [81:28]
Adam Schafer
That won't make you mad. That. That does increase neuro. That. Yeah, we have them in here.
- [81:34]
Caller
It's like tunnel vision.
- [81:35]
Adam Schafer
Have you used them a couple of times in your list?
- [81:37]
Caller
I haven't yet. I'm waiting on like when I'm actually trying to pr.
- [81:40]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, but good you know, for anybody listening, like when you see a big PR jump, back off with the next few workouts and live in that sub max range for a little bit and really perfect your technique of form. It'll only advance your, your, your PR faster.
- [81:55]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Donald from Idaho.
- [81:58]
Adam Schafer
What's happening?
- [81:58]
Caller
What's up?
- [81:59]
Hello guys. Hello. I just got to start off by saying thank you guys for taking this. Couldn't have been a better time, honestly. So I'll just go and read it off my phone and then I'll let you guys go from there.
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Adam Schafer
So.
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Caller
Hey guys. I've been working at the local Y for about four years now and I just had twins. I decided that this was the time that I wanted to open up my own business offering online and in person training. I'm currently operating my business for a little over a month now. It's about two, three months now. I'm trying to keep costs low for now, so I'm using Google sheets, Google forms for my clients. I'm making a bunch of YouTube demonstrations for my programs, PayPal for payments, and I'm using Facebook and Instagram for content advertising. I also use Canva for creating programs that I plan to sell ebook format. Adam, I feel like you're gonna want the numbers, so here you go down below. I added my pricing sheets for reference, so if you guys have any critiques to that, by all means let me know. My wife and I have a minimum financial goal of bringing in an extra thousand a month for my business. Since opening my business, I've gotten three clients, two of which were family and one was a one time charge and the third was a referral from one of my clients from the Y and he is recurring. I just recently got a second recurring client. Each day I'm making it a goal to comment on at least 10 Facebook posts and beginner fitness groups. I don't know if this is relevant to the numbers, but I usually try to post three to four times a week. And on Wednesdays I post a 15 to 20 minute mobility session for free that I also upload to YouTube. A couple of weeks ago I went around to local businesses with flyers, passed them around and I recently participated in a charity auction for a local high school wrestling team offering my services free for a few months. To get my name out. I recently took the NASM virtual coaching program and that was good enough to get me started. I've joined the personal trainer group and I've attended the webinars which have been highly motivating. I've been using ChatGPT as like my personal business slash coach assistant. And I'm planning on taking the mind pump course, but currently have bigger fish to deal with with the twins. My question for you guys is what else can I or should I be doing to get more clients? And if you guys have ever seen the TV show Extreme Home Makeover, what makeover would you guys do for my business?
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Doug
Well, the first thing I do is I'd make you get in the course. And I'll tell you why. Because one of the fastest, first of all, what we do with our course right now is you get two free months of the CRM. And why the CRM is so valuable to somebody like you is one of the first things that you get is you get all. So have you been to mindpumpfree.com before?
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Caller
Yes.
- [84:50]
Okay.
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Doug
Those are all our lead magnets. Those are the lead magnets that we use to build this multi million dollar business around personal training and programs. You get that you now have the ability to use those with your social media, the YouTube, everything you're doing. So what you're doing is great. One of the next steps to that is getting those people off of YouTube, getting those people off of Instagram and into an email list so that you can now take a call or email them offers and make them a client of yours. And so that's the biggest hurdle you have probably right now is lead magnets to then get people in front of you so you can then convert them into clients. How I teach or tell the trainers that are in our course use it when they are just starting like you are. Instead of getting crazy sophisticated with all the other things that CRM is, it's literally just using that is making posts on Instagram, making videos on YouTube that drive to those guides that are free for people. All they have to do is to give you an email in exchange. And now I'm now. And you're obviously your volume is going to be way less than us. Maybe you get two or three emails, but you are now going to communicate with those two or three people via email. You have kind of two choices. One, you can continue to add value through emails, messaging with them, giving them free advice or diet nutrition stuff with recipes, or booking a free consultation on the phone with you where you could really do a deep dive on, which is what I would do. Just hey, I tell you what, you downloaded my guide that really helped you out. If you have any free time, I'd love to do a consultation with you where we can go over Your nutrition and your training program. See if I can help you anywhere totally free. It's on me. Then I'm booking a phone call with that couple leads that I'm getting and I'm getting on the phone and that's where I'm trying to convert them into a paying client of mine. That is probably the most valuable thing that you could be doing now. You could go spend the money and the time and the resources to go build those guides like we did, which cost us, I don't know, a little over a million dollars to do all the ones that you guys get. Or you could get in the course, make the payment plan on the course. So it's very low overhead on use because you don't have to pay the full price up front. You automatically get that CRM that would cost 97amonth for free for the first two months. And you start using those right now to generate leads and. Or let's say you decide, like, at the very bare minimum, I just want to learn what those guys are doing that. And then you go decide you're going to go build all that yourself. But I would take advantage of that right now. I mean that's, that is the fastest way for you right now to get people off of Instagram and YouTube into your email list to where you can then potentially turn them into clients.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. And you'll also be in our group. You'll be, I mean, we're not going to let you go. You'll be working with us to continue building your business. A lot of questions. Every week.
- [87:24]
Doug
Kyle and Ann have, have calls, have calls with our people to help the trainers step by step figure out the.
- [87:30]
Adam Schafer
Right attitude, all the things you're saying and the attitude that you have. And I definitely know you have the right motivation. You're a dad and I know what that's. I'm a father. Nothing is more motivating to a man when he had than when he has children. So it's all working for you. You just need the right tools for maximum effectiveness and efficiency.
- [87:50]
Doug
Dude, you have a really easy goal. A thousand per month is not a hard goal to achieve. Like, you literally just need a handful of leads coming off of YouTube or Instagram. That's where trainers, they have a hard time. They, they're starting to figure out the content game of like, oh, posting on, getting a little bit attention, likes and comments. But then how do I take those people and turn them into paying clients and they try and make the leap too aggressively too soon what you need to do the first big step is can I, can I create a Post or a YouTube video that gives enough value that these people are willing to at least give me their email to where I can then communicate and build more value. Right. Versus that person communicated with me on YouTube. I'm trying to sell them on my personal training. That's a hard leap. You still need to build more credibility with it. They don't know you. They know they know you from your YouTube video or quick thing, but they don't know enough. They don't know if you can provide that value. So I want to get them to at least commit to giving me their email to where I can then engage with them going forward and then eventually offer them another free offer, which would be the call with me to where we could really do a deep dive on their nutrition, their exercise, and then that's my opportunity to present them to be this online client. Or maybe they're in person. If they're somewhere local and you could train them, that's kind of where your focus should be. And you could do all this on your own or you could employ us to help you. And that's really what the course is all about, is to do that. So it would be a worthwhile investment considering where you're at right now.
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Caller
Okay. Yeah. And like I said, a big goal of mine is to take that MP course just right now. We just had. My wife quit her job, so she's staying home full time. And then the idea with the thousand bucks a month, it's the same concept that I try to use for my clients. And I've heard you guys say is start small. I'm not trying to say I want to make ten grand a month right off the get go. Like I want to, I want to see, can I even make a thousand bucks a month with my own business and then eventually build that up. And so I guess all of this is like, I just, it's. I gotta say, it's so, it's so rewarding doing personal training, but this business aspect is so tough.
- [89:54]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Doug
That's why, hey, listen, that's why we don't. When we created that course, our, our goal was not to compete with NASM and Alpha in csf. It was to fill the gap. They do a great job of teaching biomechanics, nutrition, physiology, program design. I mean, that's what those, those courses are incredible. But what everybody does is they get the education. They're like, how the do I get clients? Nobody filled that gap. So our course is a Hundred percent on that. That's the what you're going to get. You're not gonna. You're not gonna go through a whole bunch of NASM stuff with us where we're talking about squad assessments and getting into the nutrition. No, it's all about the business. And then with that, you get in the community where we're constantly helping you through that process. You can go figure all this out on your own, but it's definitely. And then again, if you're trying to keep low on the budget, then we have the things to where you can do this, like a monthly payment plan. So it's really inexpensive. You literally figure out one client and you're already going to pay for itself. And then you got the CRM to help you out for free for two months. Take advantage of that right away and see how that works. And you have the community of other trainers that are in the same boat as you are, that are like, literally maybe two or three months ahead of you, and you can hear what's working for them. And I, we're really encouraging that in our community to help each other and we all grow. And it's been incredible. So, again, I mean, you could try and go do all this yourself or you make a small investment in this. And I think that you're. You won't regret it, especially if you're getting. And by the way, the same thing that we're doing to you right now. You've showed up to all the free webinars, you're listening to all the free content. You're now on a call with me right now. This is your live concert, this is your call with your trainer, and this is you closing them on why you can help them. Same thing. Like, I'm doing it to you right now. And maybe I haven't done enough. Maybe I haven't showed you enough value that you believe that I'm going to help you with your business. Well, that's okay. Show up to my next webinar and continue listening, because I'm going to keep giving you value. Eventually you're going to go like, shit. I need to probably do way more.
- [91:47]
Adam Schafer
Back than the investment to get the core, that's for sure.
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Doug
But what I'm telling you right now, this process that we're going through right now, that is the process that you go through with clients. And you see how resistant you are to investing in us right now, yet you've listened to all the stuff that we have that's going to be clients. You're not going to just. You're not going to post something on Instagram and then all of a sudden they're going to buy, you know, a thousand dollars worth of personal training with you. They're going to, they're going to want more. They're going to want to know more about you and learn more. And that's the goal is to continue to build that much value to where they finally hitting all their pain points. And then finally they go, damn this Donald guy, he could probably help me out. I'm going to take a chance on him.
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Adam Schafer
Right.
- [92:20]
Doug
Just like what we're doing right now.
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Caller
Cool. Well no, I appreciate that a lot. That's you're selling me.
- [92:29]
Doug
If not, keep showing up free webinars eventually.
- [92:31]
Adam Schafer
What are you doing right now? Maybe we can have someone call them and help them and really I know.
- [92:34]
Doug
I could have, I could have Ann call you and talk a little bit.
- [92:36]
Adam Schafer
She'll dig into your business a little deeper and spend some more time with you and be able to kind of really help you out, I think.
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Caller
I mean right now the wife is trying to feed and put the babies down. So I'm just, I'm extra hands when she is, when she's done with them.
- [92:52]
Adam Schafer
Okay, well let's see, let's, let's see if somebody can reach out to Donald when we get off your Doug. So if they can help him out a little bit, dig a little deeper into what he's doing.
- [93:00]
Doug
Yeah, send Anne over there so she'll call you. We'll have Ann call you, bro, help you out with something at least get you going.
- [93:06]
Adam Schafer
Congratulations. How old are the babies now?
- [93:08]
Caller
Oh man, they are four months and they are growing like friggin weeds.
- [93:12]
Doug
Nothing like that. Nothing like that. Light switch motivation. When those kids. Right.
- [93:15]
Caller
The urgency is there now. I tell you, you're in a good spot. Yeah, most, most trainers that have been gone through the course, the frustrating part for us, they're not taking advantage of this insane value that's right in front of them. I have a feeling like because of that extra urgency and that drive you have right now, you'll see it like completely. Yeah, it's right there. So you just got to take advantage.
- [93:36]
Doug
You're already doing a lot of the right things, bro. You're already doing a lot of the right things.
- [93:39]
Adam Schafer
Yep.
- [93:40]
Caller
I appreciate that.
- [93:40]
Doug
Yep.
- [93:41]
Caller
All right, one last thing. Do you guys mind if I do a shameless plug?
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Go ahead, go for it. Go get it.
- [93:46]
Okay, so yeah, I'm on Facebook. I'm building resilience and on instagram I'm lift with Donald and then out in Idaho. I'm doing predominantly in person training at my home gym. And then I also offer travel training. So with it, if you're within like 30 minutes of me, I'll go travel over to you. And I got dumbbells and everything that I bring on.
- [94:08]
Adam Schafer
All right.
- [94:08]
Caller
Boom.
- [94:09]
Adam Schafer
Good deal.
- [94:09]
Caller
Get it, dog.
- [94:10]
Adam Schafer
Thanks, Donald.
- [94:10]
Doug
I like it, dude.
- [94:11]
Caller
Thank you guys. I appreciate this.
- [94:12]
Adam Schafer
Thank you, bro. I like how he wrote his question. It says, he said, yeah, so I had twins. I thought that was a good time to start a business.
- [94:23]
Caller
Holy, bro.
- [94:25]
Doug
There is, there is something you said. You guys told me about it. Well before I had Max.
- [94:29]
Caller
Yeah, it's an extra gear you didn't know you had.
- [94:32]
Doug
Exactly. It's a, there's a new level that I don't care what any anybody says that you've all of a sudden find that you didn't know you even had. And that's coming from somebody lifestyle who thought he was highly motivated already to do that. It's just like you get a new purpose, dude. It's. And it's. For me, it was the greatest purpose I ever had. And so that automatically translates into good business.
- [94:54]
Adam Schafer
But I mean, you know, for, for him, I mean the, the ninety something dollar a month investment in the course because that's, that's the payment plan. He'll, he'll, he'll very, very easily quadruple that very quickly.
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Caller
Well, I just do this on my food.
- [95:09]
I'm gonna go thrifty on everything else. But he'll put it all in the business.
- [95:12]
Adam Schafer
He's just gonna get, get. He's going to get it in return with new clients.
- [95:15]
Doug
I just, I just looked at his Instagram and he's already doing a lot of the right things. He just needs a little bit like I hit right where I know he's at. He's already creating the post, but it's like the leap from that to how do I turn into a client? And that's where the lead magnets will really help to get him in their email list. And then from there he can start to nurture those leads and then get them on calls and then convert them. Otherwise it's going to be a little bit of a longer road for him. So hopefully we see him in there.
- [95:39]
Adam Schafer
Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is mindpumpjustin. I'm mindpump distefano. Adam's mindpump.
- [95:45]
Justin Andrews
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