← Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth
Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth
2566: The Best Way to Measure Progress in the Gym & More (Listener Live Coaching)
01:45:01
In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: 5 ways PERFORMANCE is the best way to measure progress. (2:09) The problem with poor methylation. (19:20) What does colostrum do for...
Loading summary
Transcript661 lines
- [00:01]
Sal DiStefano
Hey prime members, are you tired of ads interfering with your favorite podcasts? Good news.
- [00:06]
Adam Schaefer
With Amazon Music, you have access to.
- [00:08]
Sal DiStefano
The largest catalog of ad free top podcasts included with your prime membership. To start listening, download the Amazon Music app for free or go to Amazon.com ADFreePodcasts that's Amazon.com ADFreeP Podcasts to catch up on the latest episodes without the ads.
- [00:26]
Justin Andrews
If you want to pump your body.
- [00:27]
Doug
And expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump. Mind Pump. With your hosts Sal Destefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode we had live callers call in. We got to help them out and coach them on air. But this was after our intro. Today's intro is 53 minutes long. In the intro we talk about studies on fitness, nutrition, fat loss, muscle gain. It's a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this one where we coach you, email us your question@liveindpumpmedia.com this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Ned. They make full spectrum hemp oil extract products so you get the cannabinoids like cbd, but you also get the terpenes that work with the cannabinoids to give you those amazing effects. Go check them out. Go to hello ned.com that's H E L L O N E D.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump. Get 20% off. This episode is also brought to by our place. They make cookware without forever chemicals that lasts a long time. By the way, if you go to fromourplace.com use the code mind pump, you get 10% off and you can use their cookware for 100 days and be able to return it without having to pay the shipping. In other words, you get 100 day free trial with all of their cookware. Go to fromourplace.com, use the code Mind Pump for that discount. We also have a sale this month, maps hit is 50% off. And then we we have the Extreme Fitness bundle that includes the Intuitive Nutrition guide, Maps Hit, Maps Performance and Maps Prime. That's also 50% off. If you're interested, go to maps fitnessproducts.com and then use the code APRIL50 for the discount. All right, here comes the show.
- [02:10]
Caller
T Shirt time.
- [02:12]
Justin Andrews
And it's T shirt time.
- [02:14]
Caller
Ah shit Doug. You know it's my favorite time of the week.
- [02:17]
Justin Andrews
Two win this week. One for Apple Podcasts, one for Facebook. The Apple Podcast winner is Elissa Walker, 143. And for Facebook, we have Tim DeLong. Both of you are winners. Send the name I just read to itunesindpumpmedia.com include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you.
- [02:35]
Doug
As you embark on your fitness journey, it's important to measure your progress. But what's the best progress to measure? There's so many things you can look at. Look, we're going to make the case that performance, performance is one of the best metrics to measure. It leads to the best results regardless of what your goals are. Let's talk about this. So I'll start with the first reason why performance is such a great thing to track and measure. One of the most important reasons why I say this is because it's not. Although it's not impossible, it is hard to be unhealthy and continue to see good performance.
- [03:10]
Sal DiStefano
So.
- [03:11]
Doug
So good performance tends to go along with good health. You could change how you look, you could get leaner, you could do lots of different things with different goals and actually become less healthy. So performance tends to be, it's not always, you can go crazy with this as well, but performance in general tends to improve health. If your performance is improving, it's just.
- [03:34]
Caller
Like psychologically better to focus. It's more simplistic, I guess, in terms of focusing on one specific metric in front of you and like, look, is this working? Is this not working? And the byproduct of that is really where we, we see a lot of what we actually want.
- [03:53]
Doug
Yeah.
- [03:53]
Caller
And so that's, I think, too, this is why you'll hear a lot of times when people call on the show and we're trying to kind of steer them a little bit more in this direction if they're a little too body focused, little too obsessive over the mirror and the scale. And a lot of these things that really do spin you psychologically all the time.
- [04:12]
When we talk about the things that made us go from being okay or not very good trainers to being good or great trainers, this was a piece of my journey.
- [04:22]
Doug
Totally.
- [04:22]
Caller
See, was getting to this place. And I share that because it took me a long time to get there. I was, you know, known for saying that I don't all show no go. You know, I don't care how much I can lift or how strong I am, I can't. No one ever, no chick ever asked me that when I took my shirt.
- [04:40]
Off, you know, so it's a fair point.
- [04:43]
And I mean, and I was so. I was so bought into that for my own personal self that it didn't allow me to see how important it was for me to shift that way of thinking for so many clients. And so this was kind of one of the last pieces of me getting to be a more fully rounded, better coach and trainer. Was realizing this.
- [05:02]
Doug
I had way more success with clients when I started to tie their success and communicate. When I say tie to their success, tie their success, I mean communicate their success in terms of performance because the scale can go up or down, body fat percentage can go up or down. The person can subjectively feel they look better or look worse. But when I constantly communicated performance like, you're stronger, you have more stamina. Oh, my God, your mobility is better, your back pain is gone, you can squat deeper, you can do this exercise you couldn't do before, I would constantly communicate performance because it would get them to connect their success to their performance. And that road, that road of performance tend, it consistently led them in the right direction, whereas the other metrics can move in the wrong direction or can move them away from what is truly important. So when my clients got excited about getting stronger, about gaining stamina, gaining mobility, about doing a new exercise, having less pain, what I found was I was far more successful at getting people to like to work out for the rest of their life. And that was a huge win.
- [06:16]
Caller
You know, the. The tipping point for me was seeing so many clients that I had that I knew we were doing the right things, but they were unhappy with the way they looked or unhappy with the scale. And so it put me in this weird position because of coming from the guy who always talked to all show no go type of mantra. And then I got these clients who I know we're doing the right things nutritionally, exercise, and they're not happy with the way they look or they're not happy with what's going on the scale. Yet I know that we're doing the right things. And so that it forced me to have to focus on something else, because I'm like, you can't. It's hard to tell somebody who. That's all they care about, what they're focusing on and they're doing the right things. And there's a lot of other variables that can make a person who is measuring their success by the way they look in the mirror that could really throw you off. And we've talked about this many times. Carbohydrates sodium, stress, inflammation, poor sleep. I mean, there's a whole host of things that could happen in a 24 to 48 hour window that could cause the reflection of the mirror to not really interpret what's been going on in our diet and our routine. And so that can be so deceiving. And I think it misleads a lot of clients that are actually doing really good. But because they don't like what they see in the reflection, they don't like what they see on the scale, they course correct and then they go the opposite direction.
- [07:36]
Doug
Yes. It also helps with the ultra focus on the mirror, which is natural. It's natural when you first start working out to focus on the mirror so much. Focusing on performance moves you away from that. By the way, the data on this is not just clear, it's revealing and it's remarkable. Okay. Strength and stamina, for example. Strength and stamina are much more strongly correlated with health and longevity than body composition. Okay. In other words, somebody who's overweight, who is strong and has good endurance and good fitness is healthier generally than somebody who has good body composition, who doesn't have good strength and stamina and athletic performance. Okay. So it's not just, it's, it's a better way to move you in the right direction for health. It typically means you're healthy, whereas body composition doesn't always tell you you're healthy. I mean, take a bodybuilder. Bodybuilder is an extreme example. But here's someone with a lot of muscle, little body fat, and many of them do not exemplify longevity and health. So the body composition would lie. Right. Whereas somebody who's, you know, you could have a man that's, you know, 20% body fat, which is, you know, 5% above what would be considered athletic. But they could be very fit and strong and great endurance and mobile. Probably healthy. They're probably healthy. So if you're trying to make this a lifelong pursuit, performance tells you more about your health than your body composition does. Now that doesn't mean body composition won't tell you anything about your health, because at some point it makes a difference as well. But it's just not as powerful of a correlate. This is why you have the grip strength test being such a great predictor or a better predictor of all cause mortality than even obesity. We actually talked about this in a recent episode. Obesity can predict all cause mortality. Grip strength does a better job of that. How is that possible? Because performance tells you more about your health than the way you look or even your body fat percentage does. So that's, that's an extremely important point. Important point to identify. It's also far less likely to feed body dysmorphia. So body dysmorphia is a real thing. Right. And so you run and look just one, one way, shape or another. To some extent. All of us have, most people have suffered from this in either a little bit or a lot. Right. But you can definitely. Yeah, like how you look in the mirror is very subjective. You know, we all know that person. So I'm not going to talk about yourself because you're going to be distorted, but you all know that person. Everybody has that personal life or people in their life that talk about how bad they look and you think they're crazy. Like what do you mean you look bad, you look amazing. Maybe it's your spouse.
- [10:10]
Caller
I mean, wouldn't you argue, wouldn't you argue or say that everybody who signs up for the gym or gets started on their journey has some form of this?
- [10:19]
Doug
Probably, yeah. Yeah.
- [10:20]
Caller
I mean, can you, can you even think to yourself a handful of people that you, you've met? I mean, maybe I've come across a couple.
- [10:26]
Doug
Yeah.
- [10:26]
Caller
But then again, I think I, I can think of a couple that aren't. But maybe that's because they already worked through this. Yeah, they're already doing 20 years ago. But most everybody who gets started, it comes from a place normally of insecurity and some, some form or another of body dysmorphia. I'm unhappy with the way I look, therefore I'm going to change this body somehow.
- [10:46]
Doug
So subjective. Here's your exam. Here's, here's some great evidence. People who are most satisfied with the way their body looks when you look at the data are people in their 60s and 70s, way out of their prime. They're not in their 20s. They, they, you know, we would say a, a typical 65 year old doesn't look good as a typical, as good as a typical 25 year old. And yet they're most satisfied with it. So it has less to do with the objective reflection and more to do how you perceive yourself. And body dysmorphia is a real thing. It's actually worse for fitness fanatics. It gets, this can become a real problem for people who become super consistent with fitness where there's this, this, this goal post that they can never reach and it actually results in some unhealthy behaviors. I've, I've suffered from this myself and Many people in the fitness industry have as well. Performance moves you away from this, okay, because it becomes less about what you look like and it's more about what you can do. It's what I can do in the gym, it's what I can do on the field or outside or how I move. Essentially, it's about how I feel versus how I look. And so it moves you away from this potential roadblock. That is a real roadblock. It's actually more of a roadblock the more consistent you become with your fitness. This is the irony of becoming consistent with fitness. You take anybody who's sedentary and you get them to become very consistent for years and years and years. Inevitably, this is the roadblock to hit. Is the body dysmorphia one where they're like, I've been doing this for years. I can't get the extra five pounds off. Or, how do I change this one thing? We get callers like this all the time. We look at them, we're like, you look great. What are you talking about? Yeah, it's like, ah, what do I do? What we typically do is we tell them to move into performance because it tends to not feed this as much as all the other metrics do. This next point, I love. Right. When I say performance or when we say performance, you can look at one performance metric, like strength, stamina, mobility, flexibility. But when we talk about performance in this context, we're talking about overall performance. Here's the beauty of overall performance. There's natural checks and balances.
- [12:49]
Caller
If you go too far one way, you pull another direction.
- [12:51]
Doug
So can you be too focused on strength, where that results in unhealthy behaviors? Yes. Can you be too focused on endurance, where that starts to take away from health and longevity and quality of life? Yes. Is it. Is it more difficult to do this when it's all of it? Yes. Because I can only get so strong if I'm also focusing on stability. Stability and stamina and flexibility. So when you look at overall performance, they tend to naturally balance each other out. And that's not perfect because you go extremely in the everything department as well, you know, CrossFit. But. But my point with this is this direction tends to check itself pretty well because you go too far in one direction.
- [13:33]
Caller
Natural limiters.
- [13:34]
Doug
They're natural limiters.
- [13:35]
Caller
And it's. It's like you said, it's built in. And what's cool about it though, too, is you can approach it. You can approach it with that already. That. That knowledge already there. Like, I Know that if I just keep performing and training in this specific direction to get better and improve, I can actually step to the side, build up, you know, the support system. I can reinforce, you know, my joints. I can, I can do all these things to then come back and then make another leap forward. But it's, it's steps and it's progressive steps that you can take to keep trying to kind of maximize, you know, that, that, that pinnacle goal. Obviously at some point you're going to want to completely shift your goal, you know, to, to overall body and complete, you know, sort of this, this overall perspective of it. But you know, there, there are ways to, once you really learn more about performance, you can, you can complement it with, you know, accessory type movements to, to really keep things going.
- [14:39]
Do you think that we could make a like general test that would help people figure this out? I know we all do this as individually for our clients, which. Nothing is better than that, right? Nothing's better than.
- [14:52]
Doug
Yeah, because someone might like strength a little.
- [14:54]
Caller
There's something better than like. But I mean, it would be kind of cool. And I'm just, again, I'm just putting general performance. Yeah.
- [15:00]
Doug
Like if, like run a mile on this.
- [15:01]
Caller
Exactly. Run a mile. If like for, do one for male and female, you know, run a mile within this time. Maybe just like we have for the, we did this recently, not that long ago for all the exercises. Deadlift, squat. If we did like a male and female general, this would be considered good. This is great.
- [15:17]
Doug
This is poor. Yeah, I like that.
- [15:18]
Caller
And, and do one for flexibility, mobility, strength, stamina, endurance, like kind of a cool thing to, you know, you should.
- [15:26]
Doug
Bring up, Doug, is the old presidential.
- [15:28]
Caller
Yeah. That wasn't very good.
- [15:30]
Doug
Well, I want to see, I want to remember what it was.
- [15:32]
Caller
It was sit and reach. It was one mile. Okay. One mile. Pull up, pull up, sit up, sit up.
- [15:38]
Doug
I think that was it.
- [15:39]
Caller
I think that was it. I think it was sit ups. Pull up, pull ups. Sit what?
- [15:44]
Push ups.
- [15:45]
Doug
It might have been, I think it.
- [15:46]
Caller
Maybe, maybe feel like, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe dips.
- [15:49]
No, not dips. There's definitely pull ups. There might be push ups. I don't remember. There's sit and reach. There's one mile run. How many.
- [15:56]
Doug
Okay. Series of events including pull up, sit ups, shuttle run. That's right. Broad jump, 50 yard dash and a softball throw. That was, that's must be an older one.
- [16:05]
Caller
Yeah, well, it says 1956.
- [16:07]
Doug
Well, you know what, that one's better. Yeah. That's pretty good. They had a good, they had a good grasp of overall health.
- [16:14]
Caller
I didn't even think, I didn't even think about including a throw. That's a really good. That's a, that's a great 100.
- [16:19]
Doug
That's a fundamental human.
- [16:20]
Caller
Yes.
- [16:21]
Doug
That's awesome. I want to see the one that we did. Look up. Presidential Fitness Test, 1980 Reach.
- [16:26]
Caller
The shuttle run was there.
- [16:28]
I think.
- [16:28]
Doug
Yeah, I think I do remember the show.
- [16:30]
Caller
I thought it was a, A mile run. I didn't think it was a shuttle run.
- [16:32]
Doug
I did.
- [16:32]
Caller
There was a mile run.
- [16:34]
Okay. One mile run. Sit ups, pull ups. Okay. Oh, there was a shuttle run included. That too.
- [16:38]
Doug
In a sit and reach.
- [16:39]
Caller
Yeah.
- [16:40]
Doug
Yeah. You know what?
- [16:41]
Caller
Where's the sit and reach out show? More.
- [16:43]
Doug
Right here.
- [16:43]
Caller
We can't.
- [16:44]
Doug
Oh, right there just.
- [16:45]
Caller
It does say.
- [16:46]
Doug
And there was a softball, but they took it out in the 80s.
- [16:49]
Caller
Huh.
- [16:49]
Doug
Dumb.
- [16:50]
Caller
Yeah, we didn't have that.
- [16:51]
Doug
So I, I, So that's really good. I like the shuttle run because you need to have ability to stop and change directions. The strength tests are great.
- [16:59]
Caller
1 mile run, lateral movement, which is great.
- [17:01]
Oh, they did pull ups for boys, push ups for girls.
- [17:03]
Doug
Now I remember for girls. What they did for us was a, was a hang, was a hold. They had to get up and pull up and hold.
- [17:08]
Caller
Yeah. Yes.
- [17:09]
The girls version.
- [17:12]
No, you're right. Because you know what? I do remember that girls would do it off their knees and guys would do regular like that.
- [17:17]
I feel like I did put. Maybe we just.
- [17:18]
No, you're right. I think that, I think you're right. I think that's part that. I mean, that looks really spot on right there.
- [17:22]
Doug
You know which one.
- [17:23]
Caller
But you know how cool this would be.
- [17:24]
Doug
Yes. To create one for adults.
- [17:26]
Caller
Yeah. Maybe we'll come up with some sort of a free guide or something like that. I think it'll be a cool way to like.
- [17:30]
Doug
But I mean, if you look at all those, they all kind of have bell, you know, even those which I think we can make a better one, have their own checks and balances. That's the point. Right. So to give you an example, like, let's say strength, like you just. That's your favorite thing is strength. Right. I like to be strong. At some point your mobility is going to give you a check and balance. And at some point you might even have stamina as a check and balance where you notice, like, yeah, I'm big and strong.
- [17:52]
Caller
Balance is not really expressed in this.
- [17:54]
Doug
Yeah. But I, But I get tired When I play with my kids. Right. So the checks and balances are built in. Yeah.
- [18:00]
Caller
Justin. Adding some sort of a stability component would be cool. You get a little bit of rotation anti rotation with the throw you get, of course, the endurance. With the 1 mile run, you get a little bit of like speed. With the shuttle, you get strength with the body, the push ups and, and then and core with sit ups. So it does a pretty good job. Yeah, I do think we can make one cooler. I think we can make one that's better now.
- [18:22]
You know what's a funny one is like getting people to do like a somersault, you know, where they're actually like rolling and having the thoracic. That's a flexibility.
- [18:32]
Doug
Yes, but that's also really hard. It's also vestibular health. Some people don't have good vestibule vestibular health. So trying to.
- [18:39]
Caller
It's really hard for people.
- [18:40]
Doug
Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
- [18:42]
Caller
I mean, I definitely think that obviously for kids this is probably easier, but I do think, like I said the other day on the podcast, to get up off the ground with no hands is definitely got to be.
- [18:49]
That should be a standard, especially for the older community.
- [18:52]
Doug
Yeah. Let's make one, one last point with this to just close it off is that good performance will lead more consistently to the esthetics that people are looking for. Then aesthetics will lead to performance. Okay, so in other words, if somebody works out and over three year period, they're focused on improving their strength, their stamina, their flexibility, their mobility, their ability to do exercises, at the end of three years, they're going to look really good. Yeah. Versus somebody who for three years is only focused on how they look. That often results in some negative results.
- [19:29]
Caller
Well, this is a general, like visual. But imagine somebody that just did machines in your corporate gym.
- [19:34]
Doug
Only.
- [19:35]
Caller
Only machines now have them go out and like play any kind of a game.
- [19:38]
Sure, yeah, sure.
- [19:40]
They're gonna blow out, you know, every, you know, joint they got.
- [19:45]
Doug
Yeah, 100. Anyway, I got a study to bring up for you with a, with a supplement that. Have you guys heard of the supplement Betaine? Betaine, B E T A I N.
- [19:53]
Caller
E. I have not.
- [19:54]
Doug
Okay, so betaine is. It's been around for a long time. It's a methyl donor, meaning it helps with the methylation process in the, in the body. It's been widely recommended as an exercise performance enhancing product. And there's always. There's been a little bit of controversy. Does it actually work? Does it not work? Well, study came out. This is a double blind, placebo controlled crossover trial. Really good. And it looked at the, the performance and hormonal markers in 43 trained male athletes. So these were athletes, people who worked out 43 of them, and they took either two and a half grams or five grams a day of betaine or a placebo for three weeks. The findings, people who took betaine got an improvement in their performance by 8.7%. Testosterone levels went up a little bit, about 7%. No change in cortisol, no change in body composition or anaerobic power or fatigue. But they did see the improvement in general overall performance. Now, it was a short period. It was athletes, they didn't really standardize their diet and they think that maybe body composition changes would take longer to show because it was kind of short. But I do know that people have, it's included in many supplements. I know that some of our most trusted friends in the supplement industry will include it in their pre workouts and stuff like that. But it's a really inexpensive supplement. It's really expensive.
- [21:25]
Caller
Where's it derived from?
- [21:27]
Doug
I want to say I know it's a methyl donor. Let me look it up. Because I think it, it has to do with acetylcholine and it helps with acetylcholine.
- [21:36]
Caller
Is it, is it common that you find it, like, would you find it in, you know, Legion Organifi and some of their products? Beetroot.
- [21:43]
Doug
Okay. It's an active metabolite of choline. Okay. So that's why, so that's why. So it does help with acetylcholine production. So it, it's also an osmoregulator like creatine, which is good. I didn't know that. So it could increase the pump to an extent or the cell volumizing effect. So that probably makes it a good combination with creatine. It's an inexpensive supplement. And then I would surmise that people with the MTHFR gene, where they have challenges with methylation, will probably benefit from supplementing.
- [22:13]
Caller
What do you think, percentage wise, of people struggle with methylation? That's an issue for them.
- [22:19]
Doug
Doug, look up what percentage of the population has the MTHFR gene. Because I don't know.
- [22:27]
Caller
Yeah, because I mean, I, I, I feel like that that is an issue that I don't think.
- [22:31]
What are some of the downstream effects.
- [22:33]
Doug
That, that you're not getting lower energy, you're not gonna, you're not gonna be able to utilize vitamins as effectively. Probably you don't detoxify as well in the body. So things can build up in the body. Wow. 30 to 40% of the American population may have a mutation.
- [22:52]
Caller
That's a lot.
- [22:53]
Doug
Yeah. So Doug, look up the, the, the symptoms, symptoms of mthfr, MTHFR gene. So you know, by the way, if you get this tested and you, sometimes they'll tell you, don't let, don't make it public. Because some people speculate that insurance companies then will, will tag you.
- [23:13]
Caller
Really?
- [23:13]
Doug
Yeah, because of how it can affect certain things. So, so brain fog, fatigue, anxiety, depression, joint pain, migraines, infertility, birth defects. But that's because of the, the reduced ability to use certain nutrients. Creatine is a great supplement for these people.
- [23:29]
Caller
I mean, how often do you think that, you know, clients of ours that were, felt like they were doing all the right things, were not seeing the results they should be seeing because of.
- [23:38]
Doug
Something, you know, what I did back in the day. So I didn't test for this, I don't know how to test for this. But I did know just surface level methylation issues. So when I would have clients that would present with like B vitamin deficiency kind of of symptoms and then they'd supplement with B vitamins, still have no results. I once had a functional medicine practitioner that I worked with recommend to my client methylated B vitamins made a huge difference. So anytime I had a client who's presented these symptoms, we tried B vines, didn't work. I'd switched to methylated and I'd say 50% of the time it would do the trick.
- [24:12]
Caller
Interesting.
- [24:13]
Doug
Yeah.
- [24:13]
Caller
Huh?
- [24:14]
Doug
Yeah, that's interesting. And then creatine is really great.
- [24:17]
Caller
What led, what led to you going down that rabbit hole?
- [24:19]
Doug
I just read a study on just. It popped up on betaine and you know, it's rare that you see like a well made study that's, you know, placebo controlled, you know, double blind crossover where you see a performance improvement that registers. It's not super common. So this one, this one showed that.
- [24:39]
Caller
So speaking of supplements, and I'm wondering if the same thing is happening right now with colostrum, that a new study must have hit or something because this I always know, like we just recently either had a caller or a guest where this was part of the conversation. I can't, I don't recall if you guys remember or not how that came up in our discussion. And we're just talking about like it's been around forever and we've known that, we've known the benefits of it, yada yada. Well, I always know when I get, like, a family or friend or something like that who, like, buys it and then calls me or text me like, hey, I got this new thing. What do you think? Or I heard on this other. Like, I had two different people just recently ask me about colostrum, and one of them said that they've heard two podcasters raving about how amazing it is. And it's like, here's another example of, like, the. The recycling of supplements. And now I wonder, though, if. And maybe Doug, I don't know how you would search this. Maybe you help Doug, like, like a new study on colostrum. Like, maybe something new came out. And so that's what tends to trigger this.
- [25:35]
Doug
I'm pretty familiar with colostrum. So Colostrum. It's funny you said recycling supplements. It's one of the oldest supplements. Yeah. Has been marketed.
- [25:43]
Caller
Yeah.
- [25:44]
Doug
So it's the first milk that comes out.
- [25:45]
Caller
Yeah. You get from breast milk.
- [25:47]
Doug
You see? Yeah, you see, like, mothers will see this. It's the initial milk that comes out looks a little different. It's high in compounds that are good for the immune system. So what is. What is. What does colostrum do for humans? There's studies that show it's good for the immune system and for gut health. But. But that's. That's.
- [26:03]
Caller
That's where it kind of ends.
- [26:05]
Doug
That's the benefits. Yeah.
- [26:06]
Caller
So now is there. Is there anything that we normal adults. Because obviously infants, you're. If you're. If you're breastfeeding, you would get it. But is there examples of where we would get it as normal humans in our regular diet?
- [26:18]
Doug
No, just from cows.
- [26:19]
Caller
And it has. I'm assuming it has to be like, raw milk in order to do that from.
- [26:22]
Doug
It's from cows who produce. Literally, that's what they do. As soon as the. The cow produces milk.
- [26:26]
Caller
Yeah.
- [26:26]
Doug
The first milk. Then they'll collect the colostrum.
- [26:28]
Caller
Yeah.
- [26:28]
Doug
And that's what you're getting. It's cows. You're not getting human colostrum when you buy this.
- [26:32]
Caller
Yeah. There was a movement that. I don't know if I was watching some weird taboo show, but I saw that. You see that where they would go to, like, milk banks and they're buying.
- [26:41]
Doug
Bodybuilder was buying.
- [26:42]
Caller
Bodybuilders buying it.
- [26:43]
Oh, yeah, that was a. Drinking years ago. It was really popular.
- [26:46]
Yeah.
- [26:46]
They did a whole little document.
- [26:48]
Doug
So here's how they market a colostrum in the early 90s. So colostrum. And it's Just brilliant marketing. By the way, the, the rate of growth of a calf or a baby in those initial, in that initial piece. Crazy. So like you see a calf initially grown, it's like they explode. Same thing with a baby. Like a baby in the first month their size. You know, the first is how they.
- [27:08]
Caller
Normally promote things that, you know, promote growth hormone boost too.
- [27:13]
Doug
Yes.
- [27:14]
Caller
Oh, this is what happens when you're a child and you grow this big. Yeah, yeah.
- [27:17]
Doug
So like what is, you know what, what's one of the reasons why they grow so fast is colostrum or whatever. No, it's not going to make you build crazy muscles.
- [27:24]
Caller
Look it, it is a trend right now.
- [27:25]
Doug
Yes. Yeah. So it's just because they're selling it as I guess supplement companies are trying to sell it. Listen though, it has real gut health benefits and it does, it does seem to have some immune boosting benefits if you can tolerate dairy.
- [27:39]
Caller
Well, that's.
- [27:39]
Doug
Here's the problem. A lot of people got health issues. Can't tolerate dairy.
- [27:43]
Caller
I mean I told my, I told my, my friend and family, it was just like, yeah, no, it's good. And, but they were like, oh man, I hope. I, I'm like, well, don't hold your breath, don't hold your breath. You're going to see like massive difference by taking it around for a long.
- [27:54]
Doug
Time where I go buy raw milk and unfortunately you can't do this throughout the, the much of the country. But we can buy raw milk here. There's a couple places that. That's where my kids drink it. You can also buy colostrum from the same company. Oh, and it's like, it's like a yellowish tinge.
- [28:08]
Caller
Yeah, it's yellow now.
- [28:09]
I feel like that would be the best way to get it is like.
- [28:12]
Doug
Yeah, yeah.
- [28:13]
Caller
Then of course take a pill or a supplement.
- [28:15]
Doug
Dried capsule.
- [28:16]
Caller
Yeah, get like, get like the real thing.
- [28:18]
Doug
Yeah. 100, dude. And it's. It tastes right from the utter. It tastes really good too. Have you tried it? You're milk.
- [28:23]
Caller
I have, yeah. Yeah, I've tried it.
- [28:25]
Doug
Tastes good. It's a creamy milk. Right. Look at the macros of colostrum versus. Yeah, it's not, it's. There's more fat in it, if I'm not mistaken. Than, than. So it's really, really creamy. Yeah. And thick. Yeah. Speaking of studies and stuff, I was also reading about terpenes. So terpenes are what give certain plants and compounds.
- [28:44]
Caller
Phytonutrients.
- [28:45]
Doug
They're like, they're the oils that you.
- [28:48]
Caller
Find in like it's smell, it's flavor.
- [28:51]
Doug
Yeah, basil, like all these different terpenes, they're also fat. Let me see. It has kind. Oh no, it's got higher concentration of protein in colostrum and it's lower in fat.
- [29:02]
Caller
See I always. So this is what I thought Sal, I was told because it was, it's higher in protein. I always assumed that if you had a protein rich diet where you get, you get the adequate amount of protein, this is going to be less beneficial. Somebody who is low on their protein, they take colostrum tend to feel these added benefits to it.
- [29:19]
Doug
Well, they say the amino globulins, globulins, gob, gobble, gobble here and there that are really good. Anyway, so back to terpene. So I was reading about terpenes because they have real health benefits, especially in combination with other compounds found in plants and in particular the hemp plant. When you have cannabinoids, you combine them with terpenes, then you get this like really awesome effect. So I found a chart, I'm gonna, I saved it on what the, what studies are showing on the terpenes themselves and you know, kind of what they do for the body. So this is what the data shows on some of these terpenes and it's a really cool chart. So I'll explain what they are. So you have beta carophyline which has effects that are uplifting, relaxing. It's peppery. So it's got a peppery and a wood smell to it. Then there's mercene, relaxing and sedating. That's the musky kind of smell. Then there's alpha pinene which definitely sounds piney pine, that's anti anxiety. Humulene, which is earthy, that's pain relieving, limonene obviously citrus, anti anxiety. And then linalol which has got the minty or floral scent, is a sleep aid anti anxiety. So when you're looking for hemp or even cannabis, you probably, when you're looking for something that's relaxing, uplifting, whatever, it's the terpenes that are probably making the biggest difference.
- [30:44]
Caller
Yeah, well this is, this was what, we've talked about this before.
- [30:47]
Doug
Right.
- [30:48]
Caller
I remember when we first started working with Ned and you know, we, those that have been listening to the podcast for a long time know Sal's and I's history of kind of how we met. I was in the cannabis history, he was industry, he was researching stuff for his mother in law and we kind of hit it off talking about Marijuana first. And this was one of the things that led us to know that like Ned was really on the cutting edge stuff was because early on there was a lot of like most people thought that the, all those effects from all the different terpenes that you talk about were related to the CBD or THC content. You know, so it was always like the way they marketed cannabis early on was like, oh, you want sleep, so you want high indica, you know, and you want low. Oh, you want the, the uplifting mood. You want high sativa. So it was always a combined to the percentage of indica and sativa is how they used to communicate it. I remember when the science was coming out about the terpenes, that that's what determined it. That was what was really determining it. And there was very few people that were communicating that Ned gets it. And then I remember that call with Ned and they knew that, they knew that when we first met.
- [31:51]
Doug
Yeah. So their brain blend will have certain cannabinoids but also terpenes to match it.
- [31:56]
Caller
Yeah.
- [31:56]
Doug
Yep. Same thing with their sleep bands and then their general one. So when you, you take the brain blend, it's more uplifting. You know this when you try it, it's different than the sleep band will put you to sleep. They also add other compounds in there to help, but they know what they're doing.
- [32:08]
Caller
It's funny. Yeah. Like going to, to one of those dispensaries and like, like a lot of these companies haven't really caught on to that yet. To like really list out like the terpenes and their benefits and all just to educate, I guess. People go in there, they don't really give a shit.
- [32:22]
That's. It's because the, you're. I, I talked about this. He was asking me about my experience in, in the cannabis industry and I go, you know, one of the things that was really always tough for me was, you know, this is so fulfilling. Right. When you help people get healthier and fit, it's like across the board, a hundred percent of the people you're serving. It's amazing. You feel so good about it.
- [32:42]
Yeah.
- [32:42]
And there's a percentage of those people that you got. I got to introduce cannabis to the, the grandmother with arthritis who was nervous and they thought it was taboo and all this. And then they, they did it and they went, oh my God, this was life changing. I don't take all these medic. Yeah, but that was like 5%. Yeah, maybe, maybe 5%. The other 95, we're looking to get high yeah. And so why you see that is that they're catering to the 95% of their customers, and the 5% is just.
- [33:09]
Doug
Like, how baked am I going to get? Yeah, I know.
- [33:11]
Caller
I hear that.
- [33:12]
That was. That was 90% of what? Like, you know, someone would. I remember, too. Like, there was. There was companies that I was, like, so excited about that were, like, on the cutting edge science, and they. They were a little more expensive because they put all the money into the research and they could measure all these things, and I could. I would talk to someone about it, and then there would be this, you know, home baked, wrapped in, you know, cellophane wrap or whatever with, like, a sticker on it that said, like, you know, four mega doses or something like that. And it was the Death Star. Oh, yeah. And it was like, you know, it was a little bit cheaper than obviously, the one with all the money and science put into it. They were like, I'll take that one right there. It was like, forget, forget. This one's probably way better for you and better.
- [33:48]
Doug
You will not remember a whole.
- [33:50]
Caller
But, I mean, that's just the truth of the. The Internet history.
- [33:52]
Doug
I'm gonna forget my name. Yeah, I. There's something going viral right now that I thought would be a good discussion with you guys that, you know, I want to bring up. So you guys know Ronaldo, the famous soccer player, right?
- [34:03]
Caller
Yeah.
- [34:04]
There was some guy.
- [34:04]
Doug
There was a. There was a. There's this clip of him and his girlfriend being interviewed, and it's going viral. And so the. The girlfriend is asked, you know, how come he's. He hasn't married you yet? You know, like, what's going on?
- [34:16]
Caller
How long they've been together? Do you know?
- [34:17]
Doug
Good question. I don't know. I think they've been together for a while. It's a good question. So they're asking her this, and she's like, well, I asked him to marry me, you know, this and that. And then they go to him and he's like, you know, I told her, I'll just know when it's right. I'll feel the click, and then I'll just, you know, whatever. And so it went viral because you have people on either side. Like, there's women who are like, you got to make it put up or show. Yeah. Either marry you or not. And other people are like, oh, relax. She's with Ronaldo.
- [34:43]
Caller
Yeah. What's the. What's the old. Old.
- [34:44]
Doug
The eight years.
- [34:45]
Caller
Oh, eight years. What's the old.
- [34:47]
Doug
He's under fire for Saying he needs a click to marry his Georgina, his girlfriend of eight years.
- [34:51]
Caller
Oh, boy.
- [34:52]
Doug
You know. Okay, so here's my. I want to tell you what my opinion is because I think it's controversial and I don't hear what you guys think. So. Okay, I. I strongly believe. I strongly believe this, that, that. That women in society with men, with their husbands in particular, one of the things that makes men grow up is a good woman. I just believe that's a fact. I think without. We don't have a dialogue.
- [35:13]
Caller
There's no There obvious.
- [35:16]
Doug
I. We don't have a biological clock like women do. We're not. Oh, shit, I gotta have a baby right away.
- [35:20]
Caller
Peter pants forever.
- [35:21]
Doug
You leave a guy alone and he's just gonna just do his own thing and play video games and make some money and have fun and just not become responsible. Doesn't have to worry about whatever. And a good woman tends to pull out responsibility in him. It tends to make him want to step up, want to, okay, I want to get married. I want to have kids now. I need to settle down, I need to be responsible type of deal. And so I think that, you know, because a lot of people are hammering him, and I think he's going to do this as long as he can. I think he's Ronaldo, he's famous, he's handsome. And I think until a woman who he really likes says, no, I'm not playing that game, like, marry me or not, but I have to leave. I'm going to leave you. I don't think that's going to. I don't think the click's going to happen until she makes it.
- [36:03]
Caller
This is a little bit of a. I mean, he's. Because he's so famous and because he's so much attent, it's a different. We're talking about a different thing.
- [36:12]
Doug
Oh, super hard.
- [36:13]
Caller
You know, like, I don't even think he. Like, there's part of me that's like, I get it. Like, he's, he's. He's. You've seen celebrities, too, that have gone through this that are just kind of like, they don't like, officially make it a thing and then. But they're really like, you know, they're together and they're the long. And they stay together the longest.
- [36:31]
I don't know.
- [36:31]
There's this weird thing where they allow people inside to influence and pressure them to, like, into these ideas and these, you know, be involved in a relationship. You're like, dude, it's not about anybody else's. Opinions, you know, at the end. But again, like, because he's. He's such a public figure and there's all this like, pressure. I think it's. It's different than like I.
- [36:53]
Doug
The average guy.
- [36:53]
Caller
The average guy, like, yeah, dude, lock it in.
- [36:56]
There is nothing average about that dude. There's nothing relatable for most of us and everyone talking. So I don't see a lot of it work. There's a couple things to unpack. What you said that I. So first of all, I. 100 and I know it's cliche to say it, but I mean, in my experience, every good man that I've ever met has a great man, a great woman behind him. 100 and the greater the man, the greater the woman that is. That is alongside that man. That's just been my experience across the board. So that's that. I mean I just. I find that to be so. It's been very true in my. In my journey with partners before and then having someone like Katrina. It's like I wouldn't be who I am, where I'm at without having somebody like that. Hands down. Then you bring up what Justin is saying with, you know, you. It would be so difficult to be that famous, that rich, and you gotta think that that person. Because a lot of times when someone doesn't marry for this long, I'm somebody like this. You have these deep rooted insecurities that are tied to it. Mine have nothing to do with. I was worried some woman's gonna steal all my money. Mine is. I did not want to go down the same path as my parents did. I was so afraid of not breaking the cycle because I'm very aware how easily people get into these generational cycles of. They were verbally abusive. Then you marry into verbally abusive. So I was terrified of getting apart. So terrified that I would be dating a girl that had been with two years, we might even be living together. And she raised her voice one time with me and I'm like, that's it, it's over. Like you say that's it. Like one time of like if. I mean, that's how terrified I was of making a mistake. So that was my insecurity. Right. Is for a lot of the reasoning. But what took me so long, Right. Ronaldo. I can't imagine what it's like to be. I mean he's damn weird. He's damn near worth a billion dollars.
- [38:38]
Doug
And it's hard.
- [38:39]
Caller
Every woman in the world would say, oh my God. He's like, Everybody wants.
- [38:43]
Doug
So.
- [38:43]
Caller
So then you have to ask yourself, and I want to marry the woman. I want to settle down with the woman that I don't have to sign a prenup. I don't want to. I don't want to have to sign.
- [38:51]
A prenup 100%, you know, before any of that.
- [38:54]
And then. And I. So I have to feel she's kind.
- [38:56]
Doug
Of signing up for this. Like, you date a guy like that, that's a challenge. Like, yeah, he's got the money and the fame, but you know what? He's also got the money and the fame.
- [39:03]
Caller
So.
- [39:03]
Doug
Yeah.
- [39:03]
Caller
So I would love. I would love to hear her perspective on this, because, I mean, of course, this is the media and everybody else talking about, because, I mean, one of the things I loved about Katrina was Katrina's been unbelievably patient with that. She totally understands where I was coming from.
- [39:16]
And that's her best move, in my opinion.
- [39:18]
It is the best move is to not care. Is to. Is to not care and not be a big deal about it. Like, I mean, I'm sure she's having a pretty good right now. And.
- [39:26]
Doug
Do they have children together?
- [39:28]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, two. Two children.
- [39:29]
Doug
Oh, well. So, okay. That's why she doesn't care. She has kids with them. That's different. That's. To me, that's more of a.
- [39:36]
Caller
Like, you're locked. That's what I had said to Katrina when. When she got pregnant and we weren't married. Still, I was like, there is no greater commitment you'll ever get from marriage than having my kid.
- [39:46]
Doug
Yeah, that's a bigger.
- [39:47]
Caller
Like, this is my commitment to you that, like, literally, I remember telling her this, like, you could do me dirty. You could do me so dirty. Take care, and I will forever take care of you and my son. I'm. I am now forever committed to you that way. And I'm telling you right now, you could do. I know. I think I picked the right woman that's not going to do me dirty like that. But, I mean, that's how me having a child with you is me saying that.
- [40:08]
Doug
So I have conversations like this with my daughter. She's 15, and we have conversations now. She's, you know, she's getting the age of start dating. She's a pretty girl. Boys give her attention, and I sit her down. I say, look, I say, men are going to say everything you want to hear to try to get you to be with them, to try to get you to do things with them, and they believe what they Say, half the time. So it's not that they're bad. They're lying. They actually believe what they're saying. They believe their own shit. I said, you have to know your own value, so you have to be willing to say, no, this is it. And if not, then I got. I'm not going to be with you. And I told her, I said, I tell her, I said, that's going to make you so valuable. You have no idea. So you're going to. It's two relationships. You might not have boyfriends, you might not be dating, like, all your friends when they're young, but you're gonna become so valuable that when a serious man comes along who's serious and responsible and says, I want a wife. I want to dedicate myself to her. I want to start a family. I want to support them, he's going to find you extremely valuable. And I think that that's a big part of this. A big part of this is a lot of men aren't growing up because they don't have to. I know this saying. A lot of people, People get pissed off when they hear saying, like, why, why get the cow when the milk is.
- [41:15]
Caller
That was the thing I was trying to figure out. I was trying to remember, that's such a popular thing, why you buy the.
- [41:18]
Cow and you get, get.
- [41:19]
Doug
I get that there's two sides to that, but there's some real truth to it. I'm telling you right now. If a lot of men were not getting the milk, a lot of men would have to face the reality of becoming responsible and serious. They would have to face it.
- [41:31]
Caller
Yeah.
- [41:32]
Doug
And say, okay, well, you know, I, I, if I want a partner, I got to, like, really offer them something other than just, you know, sex and taking them out to dinner.
- [41:40]
Caller
Well, that was the precedent, Right. That they went into the relationship. So that's why we can't really judge. It's like they set themselves up for this debacle.
- [41:48]
That, that, that's my, my thing with this is, like, because I, I don't think that there is a, A one rule or one standard that everybody should have to agree to or play by. Like, he's playing a different game than all of us. I don't care what we're all going through life. But he's playing a different game of life.
- [42:03]
Doug
You know? Why this went viral has less to do with Ronaldo and more to do with all the dudes and girls out there that are experiencing this themselves.
- [42:11]
Caller
Yes.
- [42:11]
Doug
His experience. You're right.
- [42:13]
Caller
That's exactly related to them. They are connected. And there's somebody who's listening this conversation right now who's fired up because she's.
- [42:20]
Doug
Been dating some dudes for five years.
- [42:22]
Caller
And that's happened. That's happened to them in the past. And they're like, there's no upsetting. Okay, that's fine. If that's. You want to set a rule that you would never do that. Well, you probably would never date Ronaldo then, because that's something that he's working through with his situation. And if you can't understand that, then that's probably not the woman that he wants, which is. You're probably not that person.
- [42:40]
Doug
I mean, I have a personal experience with this. Not that I didn't want to grow up and be responsible. When I got divorced, I was like, I never want to experience that. I don't ever want to be. Go and put myself in that chance again. That was scary. I got divorced. I have kids. They're going to be raised in a dual household. I don't want that. I never want to put myself in that situation again. So I dated Jessica for a while. She started applying the pressure to make that next step. And I was pushing back hard. And we go back and forth on it. And one day she came to me, she said, all right, I just want to be with you. And what happened? She took the pressure off. The fear kind of raised a little bit or went away. And I said, oh, my God, I want to marry this woman. And then we did. So I do think that there's. It's complicated, but I definitely think that a lot of this power. I hate to say this, a lot of this power lies in women because men just don't want to be responsible. We don't have the same pressures. We don't have the same biological clock. We could just cruise through life and be totally fine. By the way, look at the data on this. It's very interesting. Single women out earn single men. That's. The data shows that. You know why? Because single guys ain't got nobody to take care of. They don't care. Married men are the ones that earn the most because they tend to be the. If someone's going to be the sole breadwinner.
- [43:48]
Caller
Yeah.
- [43:48]
Doug
It tends to be the man provide. Yes.
- [43:50]
Caller
So, yeah, I think some of the best advice that you. When you just went through that roleplay scenario of talking to your daughter and I think this is why I think it's such good advice, is because I don't think it just applies to Women. I think it applies to men, young men and women. Like when I talk to young 20 year olds that are talking about marriage, things of this or. In fact, I had a question yesterday, I did my live questions and it was like, how do I attract the right mate? And it's like I could tell the person looks like they were 17, 18 years old. It's like, man, what you should, if you want to attract a really good partner and you're young, like stop focusing on that person or that person. Focus on yourself.
- [44:23]
Doug
Become the right person.
- [44:23]
Caller
Exactly. Be. And the more you invest in yourself, the higher your stock rises and the better people you're going to attract. So if you are unhappy currently with the type of men or women that you are attracting to yourself, it's a reflection of what you're doing inside yourself. Put the effort and work into elevating that and you'll, you'll attract a whole new level of people and keep doing that until you are happy with the men or women that you're attracting and especially for young people. And it just, the, the more you invest in yourself and growing and leveling up as a person, becoming a better, the best version of you, the better.
- [45:00]
Doug
The partner I had, I have a buddy who. This was a struggle for him for so long. I mean he was in his 30s and he was, you know, trying to be celibate. He was trying to find the right guy, a guy. And he would, he would talk with his pastor and at some point his pastors told him, he goes, hey, maybe God's just asking you to just, you know, just to always be celibate for the rest of his. I don't want to hear that man. Well, anyway, he found the right woman, they got married, they have a beautiful daughter together.
- [45:25]
Caller
Great.
- [45:26]
Doug
And you talk to him about it. He's like, man, I almost broke, but I'm so glad that you waited. I tried to wait and stay and be and really become the right person. Because my wife and his and they're so amazing together. She's a wonderful woman.
- [45:36]
Caller
I mean the people that I feel like I've remember that, that journey and process, like the people that are so attract, I think are attractive are the people that are like that, that don't look thirsty. They're not trying to get all this attention. They're so focused on what they're doing and what they got going on. It's just like people are drawn to that.
- [45:53]
That attracts the better person.
- [45:54]
It does. And the more you do it and the better you elevate The. The. The better the. The partner is going to be. And so I think that's the best part of that advice is like, literally, that is really focus hunt on you becoming.
- [46:05]
Doug
That's right. Speaking of attracting wrong crowd. Maybe right crowd on out. You guys seeing this? What's going viral right now on women's sports?
- [46:13]
Caller
Oh, I think you had mentioned this to me before.
- [46:15]
Doug
Women's volleyball.
- [46:16]
Caller
Yeah. You know, I actually saw a conversation around this as investing.
- [46:20]
Doug
Yeah. So women's.
- [46:22]
Caller
Has it gotten hotter?
- [46:23]
Doug
Because women's beach volleyball.
- [46:25]
Caller
Can you look up trends around that? Because I'm curious to the fact that Sal brought that up and I had watched something on investing.
- [46:30]
Doug
Yeah. Bring up some of sports. It's like, is there something going on?
- [46:32]
Caller
Yeah.
- [46:33]
Doug
But. But women's beach volleyball is there. There are lots of people talking about it because they wear thong bikinis while playing volleyball, and it's making this. The viewership go up. And so people are, like, going back and forth over it.
- [46:45]
Caller
Weird. I wonder.
- [46:46]
Doug
I know. I watch it, but why is that a conversation now?
- [46:49]
Caller
It's been that way forever.
- [46:50]
Doug
I didn't know they were fun.
- [46:52]
Caller
They're even.
- [46:52]
I thought they always did.
- [46:53]
Doug
You know, I see a little X. No.
- [46:55]
Caller
The Olympics, like, somehow, like the.
- [46:58]
You're not talking about indoor volleyball, though.
- [47:01]
Sucked in somehow.
- [47:03]
Doug
You know what's. It's kind of annoying to me because I know of course it gets more viewers, but God, you know, women have a point when they talk about this. It's like, that's. I was telling Justin this.
- [47:11]
Caller
Yeah.
- [47:11]
Doug
Could you imagine what would happen to the viewership if men's volleyball did that? I know, dude. Nobody would want to watch.
- [47:17]
Caller
Nobody wants that.
- [47:18]
Doug
That sucks.
- [47:19]
Caller
Can you look that up?
- [47:20]
Doug
What a terrible.
- [47:21]
Caller
Historically historic.
- [47:22]
It is.
- [47:23]
It's a reflection.
- [47:24]
Okay. Why is women's. Put it Google. Why is women's volleyball exploding right now? I'm just.
- [47:28]
Doug
Is it women's beach volleyball?
- [47:30]
Caller
Yeah.
- [47:31]
Is it just. So I. The thing I saw investing was just volleyball in general.
- [47:34]
I mean.
- [47:35]
Yeah. Instagram buying a volleyball team.
- [47:37]
It's everywhere. It's beaches. It's. It's even like rivers. Like, I went with my kids to go down to the river and, like, we're just there. And then, like, a group of girls come out just on thongs.
- [47:47]
Doug
I'm like, it's become the regular dude.
- [47:48]
Caller
It's just.
- [47:49]
Doug
It's crazy.
- [47:50]
Caller
That's the thing. So it's just. Literally, it's just society. This is just now like, oh, we're seeing this in a sport now.
- [47:56]
Doug
It's like it's hypersexualized, man. It's really sad. What does it say in NCAA merging sports for women program? Okay, maybe that's why. Maybe that's why.
- [48:07]
Caller
Yeah, that. I mean, that's what.
- [48:08]
Doug
I didn't know they wore th. Like, because that's what's going viral and people are like, that's. The commenting is on that.
- [48:13]
Caller
I think that's always because it's beach. Beach volleyball has always been.
- [48:16]
They've always been.
- [48:17]
And they're indoors. They wear these bikinis. They wear the like little shorts, booty shorts. But that's kind of always been the outfits.
- [48:26]
Doug
So.
- [48:27]
Caller
Bro, you might, you might be watching something that's not even like sanctioned. It's like a bunch of girls that are just playing.
- [48:32]
Doug
No, no, it was sanctioned. No. So what happened was it was legit sorority girls.
- [48:38]
Caller
Sorority girls are playing volleyball inside their college.
- [48:41]
Doug
It was legit. It was legit commercial. It was legit competition beach volleyball. And. But the, the debate was like, people were mad about it, like, oh, I know why this is popular. That's not fair. And then people were like, well, that's just the way the world is. And maybe basketball players should dress like. It was like this back and forth type of deal. And it kind of made me sad because it's like. Yeah, that's, that's, that's definitely an element.
- [49:01]
Caller
Yeah, I think, I think you just got sucked into some random post that. Listen, somebody did because I like, this is what beach volleyball has always looked like. And indoors got the shorts and I mean. Yeah, like I, I mean that's been that way forever though.
- [49:15]
Yeah, I mean, that's why they get.
- [49:17]
Oh, they even have an option to do one piece if they wanted to and shorts.
- [49:21]
Doug
But they're. But so, but yeah, yeah. So in 1996-2012, it became the standard uniform. What happened in 2012? Go down, Doug. Did they just keep getting smaller? Yeah, no, now they allow for shorts and sleeve tops. With two piece remain an option, women can now choose 1B suits, short sleeve top, full length leggings for religious or cultural reasons or in cold weather. Yeah, I don't know. I find it.
- [49:46]
Caller
I mean this is. I don't know. I. This is human nature, dude.
- [49:48]
Doug
Come on. I know.
- [49:49]
Caller
I mean, listen, it's human nature. Guys are, are, are louder about it. But listen, I've plenty of chicks I know like watching dudes in football spandex. And I've heard girls comment on. He's my favorite player because the way his ass Looks in the span.
- [50:04]
Yeah. So this is not a lingerie and. Yeah, football. Same thing.
- [50:09]
Yeah.
- [50:10]
Doug
But it wouldn't be as bad though. It would go as far like you wouldn't see like booty shorts, but maybe.
- [50:14]
Caller
You would if there was as many much women into watching football as there was.
- [50:18]
Exactly. If there was a monetary reason.
- [50:21]
That's right. If there was.
- [50:23]
Doug
Well, Justin made a good point. He goes, if dudes could make money wearing thugs playing volleyball, we would.
- [50:27]
Caller
We would.
- [50:28]
Doug
I know.
- [50:28]
Caller
100. I guarantee if a guy. If someone would pay or people. It would blow the sport out. Then they. Then they would. So I don't know. I can't. You can't fault the girls that do it. You can't really fault the guys that are attracted to. It's kind of cute.
- [50:39]
Volleyball hits just.
- [50:42]
Doug
Wow, bro.
- [50:43]
Caller
I mean, I. I think these types of debates are just. Are. Are moot. It's like, why. I mean, it's like if. If that bothers you, you don't like it.
- [50:50]
Doug
Pointing out the obvious.
- [50:51]
Caller
Yeah, exactly. It's pointing the obvious out. And it's like you have a problem with it, don't watch it. The. The. The women have a choice. They could put the shorts on or not. It's just like, it's one of those things. It's like it's very normal and human nature for guys to be attracted to girls wearing hardly anything, diving around in the sand. Like.
- [51:06]
Doug
No, it's just. It's just a reflection of aside. I just see it. I'm like, oh man, what's going on here? This is crazy, dude.
- [51:12]
Caller
I. I had. I did not expect this already. Do you guys remember when your kids came home? I think Sal, I think I've heard you talk about this before with your son, with his math or something like that. Like the first time, like you couldn't help them or they're like, you're like, okay, my kid is now getting smarter than me. You guys were. Do you guys recall those moments?
- [51:30]
Yeah.
- [51:30]
Doug
Oh, by the time they were in sixth or seventh grade, I was like, I can't really help you that much anymore.
- [51:35]
Caller
Do you remember yours?
- [51:37]
Yeah, it was about seventh grade.
- [51:40]
Doug
He like, seventh grade math.
- [51:41]
Caller
And it's math.
- [51:42]
Doug
Cuz.
- [51:42]
Caller
Yeah. Math for me was always challenging to begin with, so.
- [51:45]
So I'm so embarrassed that mine's at prek. That. What was it?
- [51:50]
You got him in a crazy school, bro.
- [51:52]
I just like.
- [51:53]
Doug
You don't know the colors.
- [51:54]
Caller
No, I picked my. Yeah, that's like how embarrassing that the. I mean, I expected this to happen at one point where I wouldn't know what something was, but I didn't expect it in pre K. We're not even in kindergarten.
- [52:04]
Doug
What happened? You know? So I picked him up.
- [52:05]
Caller
I pick him up yesterday from school, and every time, anytime I pick him up, I'm always, hey, how was your day? What'd you learn today? What are you doing with this? And he goes, I learned about oviparous animals. I said, what? He goes, yeah, Daddy, I learned about oviparous animals. And I have no idea what that is. And I was like. I thought he was pronouncing something wrong. And I was like, what animal? Octopus. Octopuses. You learned about. No, Daddy. Oviparous. And then I asked him, and do you guys know what an oviparous animal is?
- [52:31]
Justin Andrews
I do not.
- [52:31]
Caller
An animal that comes from an.
- [52:33]
Doug
I was just gonna guess that. Dang it.
- [52:35]
Caller
I don't know.
- [52:35]
Doug
But I was gonna guess because of Obi. I was gonna guess.
- [52:38]
Caller
So I didn't know that. And he.
- [52:40]
Doug
Apparently.
- [52:40]
Caller
And he. So I asked him. I said, well, then finally I realized that it's. He wasn't pronouncing it wrong. I said, well, what is that? And he goes, well, it could be a bird, an alligator. And I'm like, yeah, what the hell they have in common? Like, So I was on. My brain was, like, spinning. And then I saw the worksheet that he did. I'm like, oh, birds and lizards. I didn't know that. Yeah, I did not know that. The hell are you teaching my kid?
- [52:59]
Doug
Pre K?
- [52:59]
Caller
That's already.
- [53:00]
Doug
Oh, yeah. Oviparous. That's right. Yeah.
- [53:04]
Caller
Oh, my God. I mean, I knew this was going to come one day. I was. I thought for sure it'd be more, like.
- [53:08]
Doug
For me, it was higher high school once they got. Because my. My son was really, really, like, really good at math. So when she started getting, like, algebra, like, into more advanced algebra, and I was like, sorry, but. But.
- [53:19]
Caller
But two. It was also, for me, it's like world history and politics.
- [53:24]
Doug
Oh, yeah.
- [53:24]
Caller
And, like, you know, Ethan just loves it. And so he just would recite all these facts and things from, you know, like, areas of the world I don't even pay attention to.
- [53:34]
Doug
I don't even know the name of their country.
- [53:36]
Caller
You know, like, he's, like, listed them off. He knows all their flags, like. And I was just like, wow, I'm. I'm out of this conversation.
- [53:42]
That has to be. This. That has to be the moment in every kid's life, because there's always a moment where kids all of a sudden believe that they know more than their parents. That has to be it, right? The day you come home from school.
- [53:51]
You should have seen how happy he got. And he's.
- [53:52]
Oh, I bet. Right, like right now it's going to. I know more than my dad. You know what I'm saying? My dad now I knew about.
- [53:59]
Doug
Look, no matter what, when they're teenagers, they're gonna.
- [54:01]
Caller
They're gonna think, well, that's like no matter what, every kid kind of starts to think that way. But that I. What I think is the tipping point is probably that moment. Moment when they're like, oh, yeah.
- [54:08]
Doug
Have you had this conversation with your kids yet, Justin, where they, they think they know what it costs to like, like, oh, I only need to make this much if I move out because everyone. Have you had that conversation? There's so many other things I remember.
- [54:22]
Caller
I remember being that kid. I definitely remember being that because I was ready to go by like 15. I'm like, I could do this.
- [54:27]
Doug
Yeah.
- [54:28]
Caller
All I need is this, this and this. And like, I almost make that already.
- [54:31]
Doug
And food probably only going to cost.
- [54:32]
Caller
All about laundry. Never do it.
- [54:35]
Doug
You got to pay your electric bill. Yeah, I got to pay for that. Yeah, bro.
- [54:38]
Caller
What happens when you get a flat tire during all that? Like, didn't factor that in.
- [54:42]
Insurance.
- [54:43]
Doug
Yeah, let's talk about insurance. Yeah, they would do the budget and they'd show and they'd always budget it down to zero. See, I made. I come out exactly the same. Life works, dude. Sorry, homie. Anyway, I got. Let me ask you, do you guys use the. The non stick pans from our place, our sponsor, or do you guys just do the iron?
- [55:01]
Caller
No, I use. I love this stuff.
- [55:03]
Doug
Yeah, their non stick is better than any.
- [55:05]
Caller
I've almost replaced our. My entire pants collection.
- [55:08]
Doug
I did. I got rid of all the time. So it doesn't have. So I thought. So with when you go non stick, the forever chemical non sticks, I always thought those are the ones that are best in terms of non, you know, keeping things off of them. But then you're dealing with those forever chemicals. Their non stick not only doesn't have the non. The. The forever chemicals, so it's clean. It also is better. It's easier to clean. Yeah, super easy to clean. That's the only one we use.
- [55:31]
Caller
That's why I changed all of them. They're a little heavy duty. So they're a little bit heavier than the.
- [55:35]
Oh, it's going to last forever. Scrub it, like the, it's going to.
- [55:38]
Doug
It'S going to last forever.
- [55:39]
Caller
They're easy to clean. And that's why it was an easy transition for me. It was like, okay, these are easier to clean. They're better produced to last for a long time, and they're healthier.
- [55:46]
Doug
Well, you know what I realized back in the day?
- [55:48]
Caller
Easy transition.
- [55:49]
Doug
Back in the day when my grandmother and my mom had pots and pans and stuff like that, they would hand them down because they'd last so long. Then we got into this, like, transition of these, like, pots and pans with forever chemicals and whatever, where you had to throw them away. You didn't keep them forever. No, I have, my mom has some pots and mashes when I was a kid. Because they're stainless steel, they're iron, they'll last forever. It's the, it was the newer stuff that you just.
- [56:12]
Caller
I never really thought about that.
- [56:13]
Doug
Yeah.
- [56:13]
Caller
Like, I can think in my, you know, 10, 20 years of, like moving from homes as adult. An adult, how many times I've probably just thrown away.
- [56:21]
Doug
Yes.
- [56:21]
Caller
Pots and pans, because they go back. A good, a good pot should last.
- [56:25]
Doug
Yeah. Our place ones are gonna last us forever for sure. They just last, last, last. So they're more, but they, they cost more, but they last forever. Yeah.
- [56:32]
Caller
That's awesome.
- [56:33]
Doug
A good probiotic will support gut health, will help with things like bloating, constipation, helps with your skin, improves your mental health. By the way, this is all backed by studies. So what's the best probiotic? It's seed, hands down, the world's best probiotic. Go check them out. Go to seed.com mindpump. Use the code 25. Mindpump. Get 25% off. All right, back to the show.
- [56:55]
Justin Andrews
Our first caller is Paul from the uk.
- [56:57]
Caller
Hey, Paul, what's going on?
- [56:58]
Doug
Paul, how's it going? What's happening?
- [57:00]
Caller
Hey, guys.
- [57:01]
Very good.
- [57:01]
Doug
Thanks. Look at this.
- [57:02]
Caller
It's like podcast royalty I'm sitting with.
- [57:04]
Doug
Yeah.
- [57:05]
Caller
This is kind of.
- [57:06]
Doug
How can we help you, man?
- [57:07]
Caller
Should I just jump straight in with a question?
- [57:09]
Doug
Yeah, yeah.
- [57:10]
Caller
My question is one that's kind of born out of, I guess, frustration.
- [57:13]
Right.
- [57:13]
I spent many years as a long distance triathlete and then I made the switch over to strength training, primarily through CrossFit. I know, but after a couple of years, I kind of saw the light and realized it was kind of fun, but stupid. And ever since then, about seven years ago, I've been bodybuilding. I've competed two or three times. I've gone through growth phases, I've, I've gone through cuts. So I know kind of what it takes to, to really change your physique, like in both directions. But now I'm like, I'm 43 and I have to say over the last kind of two to three years, I don't really think my physique is kind of changed very much or improved right now. I can't say, I can't say to you guys that, you know, my diet and training have been 100 on point every day of the year for that entire time. But it's not, you know, it's never really much lower than 90 on average across the span of a year. Right. I have all the kind of typical life stresses, busy job, kids, moving house, things like that. But my training's always been consistent. I've been coached throughout that entire time and I follow like a typical bodybuilding style splits, which, you know, changed a bit over the years as I've got owner of reduced the volume. So now I train around say four times a week and cardio is probably three to five sessions a week, depending on what I'm doing at a particular time. So I guess getting to the point, right, My dilemma or my question, right, is I never really feel like lean enough unless I'm competing and I'm not really like the biggest guy in the room, right. So if I'm not, if I'm not counting and I'm kind of growing, I don't ever feel particularly big. So my physique hasn't really, it doesn't really reflect. I feel kind of like the work I put in. So I don't have a specific goal. So sorry if this is kind of like a bit of an open ended question in that sense. Right. But generally speaking, I just don't feel as good as the effort I put in. And so my question is really like, you know, am I missing something? Is there a different way I can approach this given my age, circumstances, training age and so on? So it's kind of like a little.
- [59:22]
Bit lost, I guess.
- [59:23]
So it's kind of looking for you guys advice.
- [59:25]
It's how you view yourself. I can see you right now, I can see your bicep vein, I can see your posture and your shoulders. You look incredible. So especially for someone who's 43, so you look really good. A lot of that has to do. And you know, this is the downfall of getting into competing because competing takes you to this unrealistic level that you would never maintain throughout the year and so you see this new level, you're like, oh, I could look like that. And then you have this distorted view of what being. And let me tell you, like it's, it's taken me years to, to even realize that about myself because you've seen such a high level of fitness before. So when you are not at that peak shape, you feel like you're out of shape. But I'll tell you right now that 90% of the population, if not 100 of the population that didn't know you and just saw you would instantly know, oh, that guy works out, he's in great shape. So a lot of this is psychological in your own view of yourself. And I'm sure competing didn't do the best for you when it comes to that because you see yourself different now because of that, which it's got its pluses, right. You know how to take your body to that level so you have the knowledge. But then the problem with that is you've got this distorted view of what fitness looks like now because of how far you've gone.
- [60:42]
Doug
Yeah, agreed, 100%. It's a, it's a tough place to be. I think really if you want to get through this, you probably are going to have to change the focus of your training to a more performance based one. You know, it could be a sport or it could be powerlifting or it could be a completely different style of training. But yeah, I think your standards, it's a moving goalpost and it's, it's, you'll never get to it. You're never going to get to where you're going to feel satisfied and you're look, you're doing great. I mean your age, you're doing exceptionally well. And I think you're comparing yourself to bodybuilder. Yeah. And it just, it's not, it's not.
- [61:25]
Caller
What do you, what do you guys think of him doing old timey? I think old timey would be such.
- [61:29]
Doug
A cool old timey or strong would be great.
- [61:32]
Caller
Yeah, just something that's out of the norm for you. Running a program like that and getting really good at some of these unconventional lifts that you probably either never do or rarely do and give yourself. And then you're going to get benefits from it too. You'll see as a byproduct, you're, you'll get probably more ripped and in better shape, but your focus really is on this new movement and getting imperfecting it and getting strong in it would probably be a good exercise for you to do at this point in your training.
- [61:59]
Doug
Career, in other words, you would stop looking in the mirror for, for progress and really look at function for progress.
- [62:07]
Caller
I mean I, to be fair, like I did, I used to like that about CrossFit because CrossFitters didn't really tend to care what they look like.
- [62:13]
Doug
Right.
- [62:13]
Caller
It was all about performance, performance, performance, but me. But then after a while you kind of realized CrossFit, you know, as its own, as its own set of flaws.
- [62:22]
Doug
That's right.
- [62:23]
Caller
When it comes to that performance drive.
- [62:24]
Doug
So what you're finding through your experience, because you've, because what's interesting about this, you were triathlete, then you did CrossFit and then you did bodybuilding. And what you're finding is that each one of those is not the answer that you might be looking for. So it's really inside yourself. It's the, so one of them is all performance and you rode that until you're like, this is not the way to go. I'm probably hurting myself. Then you go to bodybuilding, you're like, oh, I feel much better. It's about how I look now I'm going too far in that direction.
- [62:54]
Caller
So there's elements in each one of those.
- [62:56]
Doug
Yeah.
- [62:56]
Caller
So, and it's like, and I guess that's, that's the problem I have. It's, it's great because they incorporate a lot of great functional type exercises, movements. You get benefit from that, then you move over to bodybuilding. There's lots of great ways to get hypertrophy. Like this is kind of why we pulled away from a lot of these like straight up modalities where it's like we're going to the extreme on this side of, of the spectrum. We're trying to take those elements and we're trying to apply them to, to where your body's actually going to see benefit. And so I think old time strength is a great suggestion just because now we're working on exercises that will benefit you. This isn't a competitive thing to the point where you know you're, you're going to end up in an extreme place.
- [63:39]
Doug
Yeah, right.
- [63:40]
Caller
This is just something new that you're building a skill towards. And so each one of those, you've taken skills from each one of those directions you've gone. And, and you know, this has all benefited you. So you know, going forward you don't need that extra element of competition that you know, could take you a little further than you need to go.
- [63:57]
Doug
Y. Paul, look, I identify a lot with what you're Saying so, yeah, you know, strength training, fitness, diet are good, they're good things, but they're not the best, they're not the top thing. So when they become the top thing, then they become your ruler and you start. It's actually causing you more grief than it is benefit. It's hard to see because you're in it. So.
- [64:20]
Caller
Yeah, I hear you.
- [64:21]
Doug
Yeah. So you got to back out. It's going to suck. You got to back out and you feel a little lost. I'm going through this process myself, but yeah, because otherwise you'll be chasing this forever and you're going to be sacrificing quite a bit to go after this thing that you'll never accomplish. It'll never, it'll never get there. It's very fleeting.
- [64:36]
Caller
I mean, I would love to see a guy like you do old timing just because I know you've got the competitive nature and discipline. You've already proven that and everything else you've done. Applying it in a direction that is different, I think would be fun. I think you would enjoy the process. I think you would like what you saw, like what you feel from it. And then a guy like you who's, who's kind of done a lot of the, the wide spectrum of fitness, you know, you get to a point where you like, to Justin's point, you start to kind of pull out the attributes that you like of each. Like, I'll run a little bit of a bodybuilding cycle for a while. I don't need to get on stage and compete. But I, I did love when I was training this way to focus on a muscle group or whatever. I'm gonna do that for a while. Hey, you know, it's been a while since I've done these bent presses that I got from Old Timey. I really like that. And I felt good when I was strong. And you know, you start to mold your own programming based off of all the attributes that you like from each one of those. And I mean, this is the type of stuff that I love to talk about this because I think people like yourself and us who've been training for decades, you, you eventually get to this point where you've kind of climbed the top of the mountain.
- [65:41]
Interesting.
- [65:42]
Yeah. And you got to find a way to keep it interesting and enjoying and, and continuing to have something to focus on. And I think unless you've done something like Old Timey before, I think, yeah, I think this would be a great.
- [65:54]
Doug
It's very different from bodybuilding. Yeah, Very, very different.
- [65:57]
Caller
Well, Look, I mean, I've been listening to you guys for years, right? Like a lot. Pretty much since the beginning. And you always put out solid advice. So this is the first time it's directly at me, so I'm more than happy to give it a go.
- [66:09]
Doug
All right, Paul, why don't we do this? If this helps you out, we'll send it to you. And then why don't we have you back on in a few months and we could talk about your experience? How's that sound?
- [66:18]
Caller
Sounds cool.
- [66:18]
Doug
All right, dude, we'll do that. We'll make sure you get back on in a few months. We'll send over old time strength. Nice one.
- [66:24]
Caller
Thanks, guys.
- [66:25]
Doug
You got it, brother. By the way, this is a. For the most consistent fitness fanatics who do it for a long time, you will hit this roadblock. You will get to this point where you. And it doesn't have to be physique. It could be performance. You'll hear this from performance athletes, you know, endurance athletes. Yeah, I'm in my mid-40s now, and I can't keep pushing my body and I'm losing my motivation. Or. Or here's an even more bigger challenge. I accomplished this incredible feat. I was able to win this marathon or win this bodybuilding trophy, and now I'm lost. Right, so this is. You are going to hit this roadblock and the next stage looks like enjoying it for the sake of doing it, which is a great place to be in. Very challenging, though.
- [67:12]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Ivan from North Carolina.
- [67:14]
Doug
What's up, Ivan?
- [67:15]
Caller
What's going on, Ivan?
- [67:16]
Doug
How can we help?
- [67:17]
Caller
Hey, how's it going, guys? How you guys doing?
- [67:19]
Doug
We're good.
- [67:21]
Caller
Give me a second. I'm sorry. Yes, sir, my name is Ivan. Just a little introduction before I get started with my question. I am in the military. I've been. I've served for seven years now. And since I've been in, I've been injured twice. My lower back. Which is my question. That's that I'm going to ask. I just want to know, like, how can I build back my lower back? So I've heard it from squatting and deadlifting. And I know, like, the first two times that I heard it, it was from bad form, improper technique. And actually last week I heard it again, and I got so mad at myself because I knew that I was like, kind of like lacking the. The technique a little bit. But I was just pushing through my workout, and it was a light. I would say a relatively light set, Medium, medium weight. I was squatting 245 and coming up, I heard two audible cracks on my lower left back and I got really dizzy and I sat down for a little bit and I was just like really disappointed because I was like, man, I just hurt my back again. I'm gonna have trouble going to work and getting out of bed. But luckily this past week I've been doing pretty well. I've only felt like a little bit of pain on only when I'm sitting down and stuff like that. But yeah, I just want to know some like information or some advice on how I can build my lower back before I get back into squatting and deadlifting.
- [68:52]
Doug
Yeah, so the low back, if you think of the spine, Right, but by the way, a lot of low back pain comes from the spine, but some often it also comes from the muscle attachments on the spine. So people think of the spine, the discs, that happens. But it's also could be psoas attachment, QL attachment, could be lots of different things. And when you look at the spine, it's made up of all these different joints. And they can, I mean they can rotate, they can flex and extend, they can move laterally. So it's not just strengthening it in one plane of movement like a squatter. Now, squatter deadlifts are great for strength in the back, but if you have no lateral stability, rotational strength, stability, core stability, you can have hip, hip mobility, strength, you know, stability issues, those will all cause low back pain. Okay. So it's a lot more complex and comprehensive than, you know, squat and deadlift. Those are great places to start, but they're not the, the only places.
- [69:51]
Caller
Well, not only that, but they can also end up biting you in the ass when you get really strong doing that and you don't address the other things. So if you're not doing things for rotational or anti rotation to support that low back and you get really strong in squatting and deadlifting, it's almost guaranteed you're probably going to eventually, especially if you also admit that you know that the form isn't perfect and you could get better. I mean, you're just, you're asking for it by not doing that. And so, you know, if we're talking about programs, I'd say like a map, performance, symmetry, what else?
- [70:24]
Doug
Old time.
- [70:25]
Caller
Yeah, old timey. Those are things like that. Like, when was the last time you did a windmill? Have you ever trained windmills before or bent presses?
- [70:32]
No, I haven't actually. No, I don't even know what those are. So.
- [70:35]
Okay.
- [70:35]
Doug
Yeah, yeah. So I, I like so deadlift squats, fine. You want to strengthen your core. So you want, you want to strengthen the abs, the obliques. You want to strengthen your ability to rotate. You want to be able to stabilize side to side. So windmill is really good for that. So is a bent press. So you can, you know, look all those exercises up and put them in your routine. And then unilateral training will help with any left to right imbalances because those can also.
- [71:00]
Caller
Well, that's where we should go first, I think. Yeah, really like pursue some unilateral training and isometrics and you know, add your mobility drills in there for your hips and for your back and, you know, bridging and start slowly just bringing that strength and support and stability back, you know, around your lower back through the hips. That's going to be your, your target right now.
- [71:23]
If I could prescribe to you the program, it would go Symmetry Old Timey, and then like a MAPS Power Lift. So you could see what you've done like that, that order right there. Symmetry, Old Timey. And then go apply it in something like Maps Power Lift. You'll really see what you've done by, by training. Like the guys are talking about unilateral stuff. Anti rotational, you know what's also too.
- [71:45]
Doug
By the way, like Maps 15 is, is exceptionally balanced. I remember when we wrote it and we looked at it again, it has a lot of those different components. What does the rest of your schedule look like? Because are you like not getting good sleep? Is your diet okay? Is, are you, you know, do you feel over trained? Like what does your schedule look like?
- [72:04]
Caller
No, so I feel like I get pretty good sleep like in between six, eight hours, I would say normally seven hours. Diet is pretty good. I get enough protein, I think. I mean obviously not enough for. It's not a gram per pound of weight, but I get enough protein, I think and I don't really eat a lot of junk food, but I know I could do a little bit better on that.
- [72:26]
Doug
But it says you're a personal.
- [72:28]
Caller
Was that.
- [72:29]
Doug
It says you're a personal trainer?
- [72:31]
Caller
Yes, sir. I'm, I'm brand new to it.
- [72:33]
Doug
Okay. Is that, is that all you do for work? What's your work schedule look like?
- [72:37]
Caller
So I do construction in the military and I am a reservist, so I work on the weekends only, but during the week I do construction, but I only have one client right now for personal training and we go in the mornings before work and that's pretty much it.
- [72:53]
Doug
And you're doing. You're. You're very physical in your construction. Right. You're not supervising. You're actually moving.
- [72:58]
Caller
Yeah. Yes, sir. We're like, lay pipe or. I operate heavy machinery as well.
- [73:02]
Doug
Yeah. So maps. Maps. 15 performance might be better.
- [73:06]
Caller
Yeah. Performance, Yeah. I think that'd be a good call.
- [73:09]
Doug
Yeah. Because that's a lot of. I mean, your construction, plus working on the week, reservists on the weekend, plus.
- [73:14]
Caller
Personal training, volume, more frequency, and you'll be able to really practice a lot of these movements. That'll help.
- [73:19]
Doug
Yeah. And Master 15 performance is very balanced with that kind of stuff.
- [73:23]
Caller
I like that.
- [73:24]
Doug
Okay, we're gonna send that to you. Yeah, we'll send that to you, bro.
- [73:26]
Caller
Yeah, it's a good call.
- [73:28]
Okay. Yes, sir. I appreciate it.
- [73:30]
Doug
You got it, ma'am. Thanks for calling in.
- [73:32]
Caller
Yes, sir. Thank you.
- [73:33]
Doug
Nice to meet you guys.
- [73:34]
Caller
Yeah, you too.
- [73:35]
Doug
Ex military is always. Yes, sir. You know, I had to ask, because for people listening right now, you're like, well, why would you ask that question? You should always ask that question. Yeah. Because Symmetry is a phenomenal program. It's one of our favorite programs. But if it's too much for someone with a schedule like that, schedule isn't going to. It's not going to work. And we're on video, and I've trained enough people. I'm sure you guys tell a little bit. Looks like it might be a little. Little fried. So that's why I said, let's do something a little bit more appropriate. And Mass 15 and 15 performance are so well balanced. I remember we created 15 Man. We made it so balanced with the exercises that it really does touch a lot of the things that we talked about.
- [74:17]
Caller
Yeah.
- [74:17]
But to Adam's earlier point about getting strong, you can get really strong doing these compounds, and it's just, like. It's so elusive because you feel strong, feel great.
- [74:25]
Doug
Yeah.
- [74:25]
Caller
But you're not expressing any rotation. You're not expressing lateral movement. Inevitably, you can't support the strength. Yeah. One side's gonna sort of shift and. And boom. It's. It's gonna, you know, bite you.
- [74:36]
This is why everybody who's listening every year should run a block of Performance or Symmetry, one of those two programs, to address all those areas that just your typical programming doesn't address very well, so that you're constantly just revisiting that and bulletproofing all your support systems. And. And that's just. It is like, this is so common. When you get somebody who's getting strong in Those in that sagittal plane. But then they're not addressing anything laterally, stability wise, rotational wise. And it's just like it's just a matter of time when they're pushing the weight a little bit. And then when you admit too, you don't think you have the best of form, it's like, that's. Oh, for sure that's coming, dude. If you know your form isn't perfect and then in addition to that and not addressing that, it's just bound to happen.
- [75:21]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Autumn from Virginia.
- [75:23]
Doug
Hi, Autumn.
- [75:24]
Caller
Doing Autumn.
- [75:25]
Doug
How are you?
- [75:26]
Adam Schaefer
Hi. Oh my God, I can't believe I'm here. This is crazy. Everyone says that. Okay, so I wrote in back in August. It was a bit long. So I recently wrote in about a month ago to try to make my question shorter. Um, but yeah, I'm kind of essentially 25 going on 80, and I cannot figure out why. And you guys are all in so much better shape than me. And I'm only 25, so I feel very stuck and frustrated and just really wanted your insight on this. This issue I've been having. So I've been having a few issues actually, since we only have a few minutes, I'm just going to dive into one of those issues. So this one particularly involving chronic hip pain for over a year and it's also evolved over time since it started. So I believe I injured myself doing squats on the Smith machine with too much weight last year. And I think my hips lack stability before that, but I wasn't educated on it. So I've done sports in school. I never had hip problems before. I saw a PT for a few months after the injury and my symptoms slightly improved. He said I had a hip impingement and also hip flexor tendonitis, but after I got a bit better, I tried MAPS anabolic about half a year after my injury, but I had some issues with the hips again, had some new issues crop up as well, so I thought I made progress. But since they started hurting again, I took a break after the program. I did do Maps performance and got rid of all of the lower extra lower body exercises on there as well and replaced that with PT exercises instead, but was still having pain. So I also have Prime Pro. I've tried doing that as well. The mobility days were working pretty well for me, but at this point since the email, I've actually stopped going to the gym for about six weeks. So I. I kind of am probably one of those people that might have experience with overtraining just because exercising fills me mentally and spiritually. So I thought I just had to take a break, though, because the pain wasn't going away. My hips are not getting better despite seeing some upper body strength gains. So since nothing is helping and I'm discouraged, wondering if there's any direction you can recommend for me and if you had any other questions.
- [78:08]
Doug
Yeah.
- [78:08]
Caller
Did the time off alleviate the hip pain? Did the time off take care of some of that or all of that?
- [78:15]
Adam Schaefer
I would say it kind of varies in degrees, like yes and no. I think I'm always experiencing sensitivity. There's other areas of my body where this has been happening too, but the hips are the worst. So I just think taking time off the gym helped with the pain, but it plateaued after that and has not fully gone away. It's just stayed at that same sensitivity level. And the pain will get triggered by sitting for too long or doing other activities for too long.
- [78:48]
Doug
Tell me about the other areas that you. Because it could be connected. What other areas are you noticing? Issues.
- [78:54]
Adam Schaefer
Some of them are new and some of them have always existed, like plantar fasciitis and both feet pain in both hips, sensitivity and previous pain in both wrists, both elbows. It feels like tendinitis or like auto, like desk jockey sort of thing. Also some weird symptoms with migraines, and those have really weird symptoms, too. There's just a lot of different things going on that I don't have enough time to address with you guys.
- [79:24]
Doug
Okay. Okay. Well, a couple things I'll recommend and. Oh, yeah, one more question. What were the exercises that the PT recommended?
- [79:32]
Adam Schaefer
He started me off with some bandit exercises to restabilize and strengthen hip flexors, glute medius and glute max. Since I was experiencing pain in all those areas, I experienced si. I don't know if it's the joint or if it's the soft tissue near the joint, but I experience pain around the entire hip now, and that really hasn't fully gone away. So it was just kind of what you typically expect for tendonitis and joint pain.
- [80:01]
Doug
So a couple. Couple things. Well, I think we. Places to start. Okay. First thing I would do, and I'm assuming you do a lot of core work in your. In your core strengthening work, glute work whenever you work out your lower body and your body in general.
- [80:15]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, I really like the hanging leg raises. I've been working on getting my toes to the bar.
- [80:20]
Doug
Okay. So I. I think individual, and this is typically not the case, but I like individual leg raises. On the floor to strengthen your hip flexors. Believe it or not. So you've probably been told your hip flexors are tight and, and sometimes kind of persistent issues is actually you might need to strengthen your hip. So what that looks like. And here you. It's easy way to test it is you lay on the floor. So you're like, okay, my hip kind of bothers me a little bit. Lay on the floor, both legs straight and do one legged while driving one heel into the floor. Do one legged leg raises. Do you know enough to feel like it's getting hard? And then stand up and move again. See if you feel better. If you do, we're moving in the, in the right direction. So you might need to strengthen your hip flexors. Believe it or not.
- [81:06]
Caller
There's also a really great kin stretch. If you can have access to something, you get a hold even the squat rack and you're going to raise your leg up and you're also going to bring it out to the side and then back keeping and maintaining a crazy amount of tension with that. So that's, you know, connectivity and recruitment is going to be huge.
- [81:23]
Doug
Yeah. Band walks, tube walking, hip thrusts, I like those. And then the other thing I think you might want to do is do a heavy metals test.
- [81:31]
Caller
That's what I was wondering where you're going to go there.
- [81:33]
Doug
Yeah.
- [81:33]
Caller
Blood work. It seems like some of the stuff she's got going, it could.
- [81:37]
Doug
Right. So I would look at and test yourself for something like heavy metals and toxicity mold, see if there's any of that going on because of the kind of repeated kind of pain issues and all these different joints. And so that's the first place I would look is, you know, you could get yourself. You can work with a functional medicine practitioner. Dr. Cabral is who we recommend and they have a heavy metals and minerals test and they can also do things like test you for mold in parasites even. All of those can cause these kind of mysterious inflammation. And you know, you mentioned migraines too. Like, I mean it could be.
- [82:14]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, they're weird. They have caused like partial temporary hearing loss for me, vision loss. So they're weird.
- [82:22]
Caller
Those are severe.
- [82:22]
Doug
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean. And what would be, you know, it would be cool if it was something like that because then you could address it directly.
- [82:29]
Caller
Yeah.
- [82:30]
Doug
And then suddenly feel, get treatment and.
- [82:32]
Caller
Then it absolves a lot of these symptoms. That'd be great.
- [82:34]
Doug
Much better. Yeah. So I, I would go there first and you could try the exercise that would. We said in the Meantime. But you're getting all this kind of chronic pain that seems unconnected. It is. It is connected. And I think the root might be some toxicity that's kind of going on in your body. It could also be as simple as an elimination diet parasite treatment. And then you feel much better. But a functional medicine practitioner will be able to get to the root of that.
- [83:01]
Adam Schaefer
I did see a functional medicine practitioner and they created a six month program for me addressing a lot of the tests you talked about. I just told them I had to pause for the time being since it was a really huge financial investment. It was really expensive. So maybe it's just that practice in particular, but I couldn't afford the test. But it's something I'm interested in. And it's weird because I can think of something that caused all of these things separately. Like maybe it's probably not normal. Like if I walk more than a mile a day, like the bottoms of my feet will start to hurt. Like both of them will start to hurt. I just don't think that's a really far enough dist to constitute pain and sensitivity like that. But yeah, the hips, I can think of a time I went too far with those. With my wrists. I can think of not using proper form. I can think of when that started hurting the elbows. Not really sure that one's newer. That one is really strange.
- [83:59]
Doug
What it can look like is this. It's not like if it gets real bad, it's just pain everywhere.
- [84:03]
Caller
This doesn't sound like a mobility.
- [84:04]
Doug
Yeah, but what could. What could happen?
- [84:05]
Adam Schaefer
I have really good mobility. I could do.
- [84:07]
Caller
That's why it doesn't. That's why we don't. That's why we don't think it's.
- [84:10]
Adam Schaefer
That I had great form. Now, like, it's corrected. When I try to do some correctional exercises, even in Prime Pro, sometimes they hurt to do. So I try. It feels like I can't do much without still kind of feeling that.
- [84:24]
Doug
Right?
- [84:25]
Adam Schaefer
Lingering sensitivity.
- [84:26]
Doug
Right.
- [84:26]
Caller
It's something else.
- [84:27]
Doug
Yeah. So like that's what I'm trying to say. So it's not. Okay, let's say it was a heavy metal toxicity or. Or mold. It doesn't have to present itself. Although it can as constant issues. It can literally present itself as constant sensitivity where, oh my God, I hurt my. Like I barely did anything and what's going on.
- [84:46]
Adam Schaefer
I know.
- [84:47]
Doug
And then it's lingering pain. Like I heard, you know, that injury happened, you know, six months ago and it's still there. Like, you know what's going on. And the migraines. The migraines are really a red flag in connection to all this.
- [85:01]
Caller
So, I mean, I feel like if you.
- [85:03]
Doug
So you can start with the heavy metals test. That's not. Or.
- [85:06]
Caller
Or even just an elimination diet for 30 days. And if you notice improvement for that, there's a good chance you're heading in the right direction.
- [85:12]
Doug
I mean, was there a time when this all started at the same time?
- [85:17]
Caller
Like a tick?
- [85:19]
Adam Schaefer
They. They all kind of started at different times.
- [85:22]
Doug
Okay. Yeah. Are you in our group, the MP Holistic Health group on Facebook?
- [85:28]
Adam Schaefer
I am not.
- [85:29]
Doug
Okay, go on there. It's free. Ask some questions. And if you end up talking to one of the practitioners, let them know, say, look, I own. This is the most I can invest. I can't. I don't have tons of money. And then they'll give you the most likely. They're like, okay, just start here. This is the most likely area. And it's going to, you know, be minimal cost. Let's at least start here and see what this looks like.
- [85:50]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. I really. I love being in the gym a lot. It's been hard to be away. I've taken several breaks. I've taken lots of time off. I took four months off last year because of the pain, and I've only been off for six weeks now. But I was thinking of trying another program like Maps bands for low impact. But maybe that would even be too much. I'm not sure.
- [86:13]
Doug
Well, we'll send that to you if you want. I'll send that to you. You could try it. But I do think that there's a root yes issue. And I don't think it's necessarily movement.
- [86:21]
Caller
No, no.
- [86:23]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. I was worried that maybe I injured my hips. You know, just talking about those specifically with the Smith machine. I know y'all. How y'all feel about the Smith machines. They're good for coat racks. They're good for sissy squats. You know, I've. I've listened to all those episodes, so it was all my gym had. So I know now it's. I'm better off, you know, doing free weight. But at the time, I. I didn't know that. Wasn't as educated on form and mechanics. So I think I just went too heavy on the weight. I didn't know at the time because the pain was a really delayed onset. I didn't feel pain for a couple hours after that. So, yeah, I would certainly love to give that a try. The functional medicine practitioner route. And I was thinking you guys might recommend that as well.
- [87:14]
Doug
So, yeah, when you go in that group, ask the questions in there, they'll answer the questions for you for free.
- [87:19]
Caller
I'd love to have Doug put you also in our private forum so you can continue to communicate with us. I'd love to get to the bottom of this with you. I think we're all on the same page that there's something else going on here. It's less likely from a movement thing of you injuring yourself. Even though maybe the Smith machine didn't help your case. I don't think that's the. I don't think that's the reason why. I think there's something else.
- [87:40]
Doug
When did your migraine start?
- [87:44]
Adam Schaefer
Maybe about a year and a half ago.
- [87:46]
Doug
Did you move into a different house or work in a different office at that time?
- [87:51]
Adam Schaefer
We. It was around the time. It was a couple months after we moved from Virginia to Colorado.
- [87:57]
Doug
Ouch. Okay. Yeah. Test yourself for mold.
- [88:01]
Adam Schaefer
I also have. The past couple months ago I got a new job and it's a really stressful job. So.
- [88:08]
Doug
Yeah, so.
- [88:09]
Adam Schaefer
So I'm stressed all the time.
- [88:11]
Doug
Yeah. But this is point. This is really pointing to some kind of toxicity.
- [88:15]
Caller
Yeah.
- [88:15]
Doug
Especially that you moved right around the same time. And I mean, it could be mold. It could be mold in your home. Colorado is not a dry. I mean, mold is common in a lot of different states, especially ones that have snow and rain and stuff like that. I mean, right now I'm making educated guesses. You don't know unless you test.
- [88:33]
Caller
Right.
- [88:34]
Doug
So. And I work with people with mold. We dealt. I dealt with mold in my family and the symptoms were like older home, newer home.
- [88:41]
Caller
When you in.
- [88:43]
Adam Schaefer
It's a bit more of an outdated apartment.
- [88:45]
Doug
Okay. And any areas of water damage in there?
- [88:50]
Adam Schaefer
Maybe under the sink, but that's about it.
- [88:52]
Doug
Oh yeah. Yeah.
- [88:53]
Adam Schaefer
It looks a bit mildewy under there.
- [88:55]
Doug
There. You might have a mold issue, hun.
- [88:58]
Caller
That's a sign.
- [88:59]
Adam Schaefer
I don't know. I hope that it's as easy as that because it's been a really. It's been a frustrating year. It's been a frustrating quarter life crisis over here. I really want to just enjoy exercising again and not feel pain in doing simple things like flying or driving in a car or something like that.
- [89:19]
Doug
Go in that group and say, I'm having these weird symptoms. I was on the podcast, Sal said it might be mold. Could mold cause some of these things? By the way, if you go online and you read up about mold toxicity, they're gonna Talk about the most extreme cases. You could have mold that other people live with you, that don't necessarily react to, but you react to it. And it causes this kind of systemic immune reaction, which can feel like pain. It could feel like gut issues. It could feel like migraines, a very, very common one, sleep disturbances, energy changes. It could look like skin issues, can look like all those different things, which is why sometimes it's so hard to pinpoint. Typically when people figure out it's mold, it's because they've exhausted every other avenue and they're left with just that. And then they look at it like, oh, crap, here I am.
- [90:08]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I would say I have pursued lots of avenues, but this is one that I haven't yet. So I'm very open to it.
- [90:13]
Doug
All right, good.
- [90:14]
Caller
I like to hear back from you, too.
- [90:16]
Yeah.
- [90:16]
So if you can keep us posted, we'll solve this. We'll get to the bottom of it.
- [90:21]
Adam Schaefer
And I wasn't expecting, you know, all the answers or anything, but just the insight is really appreciated. I really appreciate this opportunity a lot.
- [90:29]
Doug
You got it. Thanks, Autumn.
- [90:31]
Adam Schaefer
Thank you.
- [90:31]
Doug
You got it. Bye. Bye. Yeah, it's something else.
- [90:34]
Caller
Yeah.
- [90:35]
Screamed autoimmune to me. That's what it just.
- [90:37]
It's. It's definitely not exercise injury related.
- [90:41]
No.
- [90:41]
Doug
You know what?
- [90:42]
Caller
All these downstream effects.
- [90:42]
Doug
Can I just tell you what's frustrating about the. About something like this? You get a young girl, she's having all this weird stuff. You go to the PT Correctional. Exercise, not helping.
- [90:51]
Caller
Yeah.
- [90:51]
Doug
Then you go to your doctor. I think you're okay. Go back to the doctor. Okay. You might need this. Try that, try this, try that. Let's put you on an ssri. Let's put you on.
- [91:00]
Caller
Yeah.
- [91:00]
Doug
Anti anxiety medication. Because all those things and you never figure out what the hell is going on. Meanwhile, your symptoms are lingering and you feel like you're losing your mind. It can cause weight gain. It cause all kinds of different issues. So. Yeah. And the only way to know is a test.
- [91:15]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Mandy from Ohio.
- [91:18]
Doug
Hey, Mandy, what's happening? Hey.
- [91:20]
Sal DiStefano
Or should I say, oh, shit, guys, it's my favorite time of the week.
- [91:24]
Doug
Oh, shit. Wow, you do that pretty well. So glad you listened to that part of it.
- [91:29]
Caller
That's awesome.
- [91:30]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, my. For the sake of me not embarrassing myself any further, I'm gonna read my email.
- [91:35]
Caller
Okay, let's hear it.
- [91:37]
Sal DiStefano
Okay, so I am the poster child of what happens when you remain ignorant about over training and under eating. So last summer, I was doing back to Back workouts, hour long CrossFit training, followed immediately by group training class that alternated between lifting and cardio. On top of that, I have a six year old that was in cross country, so I volunteered to run with her. So three days a week I ran with a whole bunch of little kids.
- [92:07]
Doug
Oh my God.
- [92:08]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, it's too much now. Knowing what I know, it was too much. I had been doing that for about 10 months leading up to September. And despite all that, I wonder why I struggled to lose any weight. I was stuck at about 153 pounds. I was also on birth control. That completely stopped my period. I also have hypothyroidism and chronic kidney disease, stage 3A. So they don't. I just have to get monitored like every three weeks or three months. In mid September, I woke up one day with unexplainable and immense pain localized to one side of my body. It felt like I had been crippled overnight. And thus began the plethora of blood tests. I got very few answers. All I knew was that my cortisol was jacked, my high sensitivity protein levels were jacked, my liver enzymes, everything was just not in a good place. So my doctor actually told me, stop. Whatever you're doing, just stop. And I was actually, I found you guys about a week after my body just decided just to quit working on me. So taking that advice, I took time to recover. However, even though I wasn't working out, I wasn't walking. I was literally just recovering, stretching, nothing. That pain spread throughout my body. So three weeks of not working out and just as much pain, I could barely walk. I was sent to a rheumatologist, but I couldn't get in until November. So sick of not knowing what was going on, I remembered your sponsor, MP hormones in Transcend. I reached out and within two weeks I had my blood work done, a game plan on what would help me. And I had answers that my primary physician and anybody could even give me. So I am just over. I'm just overwhelmed by my experience with them. Like I can't recommend them enough. So I also came off of my birth control because they figured that maybe my hormones were also in play here. So I got that baseline. My protocol included BPC157, IGF, LR3TB500, and then DHEA, which I started in mid October. In December I finally got my blood work from my rheumatologist and I have a rheumatoid arthritis. So at the time I likely been dealing with this since August. I Just didn't have a response that the test would pick up at that point. So I am in very little pain now. So I am on the peptide train. Like, I don't understand how this isn't more widely known and used because literally whenever I wrote into the show, I was devastated. I thought that any kind of strength was being stripped away from me. I had goals that I had set for myself that I thought were no longer possible. And now, like, I know they are and I know they'll happen. I began training specifically with your programs, and I. I love it. Like, I had gone through Muscle Mommy whenever I initially wrote this email. And I've since joined the maps transform. In three weeks, I have lost 8 pounds. I've lost a at least 1 to 2% of body fat. So I no longer have to work out six to seven days a week, and I can have the energy and strength to finally live the life that I want and not have to live in the gym. By the end of the year, I hope to join the 750 Club. So right now, my squat PR is 275 or 270 pounds. My bench press at its best is 155 pounds, and my deadlift is 275 pounds. I'm confident that I'm gonna get there. I mean, patient and listening to my body. I am 37 going on 38 this year. I'm 5 foot 5 and 140 pounds. I have since also started eating and actually being able to enjoy what I'm eating. And I am right around 2100 calories. At the time that I wrote this, I was trying to figure out my ideal weight. But at this point, I have decided that in part of my language, I am prior military. So sometimes the F bomb slips out. But I don't. I don't give a shit what the scale says anymore. I'm pretty happy where I'm at.
- [96:59]
Doug
Yeah, good job.
- [97:01]
Sal DiStefano
I have noticed, though, that if I get below 145 or 140 pounds, my boobs disappear. And I don't know why that is, but it's one to two pounds difference and they deflate and they're no longer there. So I don't know what the science is of that, but I was hoping maybe you could stretch the light on that. And then also, if I want to gain a few pounds, how can I make sure it's only or mostly muscle being added? And do you have any tips to protect the progress that I've made so far?
- [97:37]
Doug
Yeah. Thank you so much for Sharing that you almost got a heated tears hearing all that boobs are body fat. We'll start there. So once you get down to particular body fat percentage different for each woman, you'll start to lose them. So that's all. That's the reason why. So, yeah, that's the science. Here's what. The best advice I could give you to protect what you've already got, what you've gotten now, is to take it easy, is to not be so dogmatic. It's great to have goals. There's nothing wrong with goals. But don't live and die by them, because you could very easily start to creep ever so slowly back into that space you were before where you're trying to chase a pr, a goal, a look, whatever. You really have to focus on your health and, well, being, both spiritually, mentally, and physically. Like, all those things are what you're going to have to focus on to keep where you're going now, because, again, very easily, it can move in the other direction. Okay. And that's. That's the best advice I give you. I. You're. You're really strong. You're. For your body, by the way, you're a great body weight. For your height, you're at a fit body weight. For your height, you're super strong. I think women watching right now, your age or not, are probably like, oh, my God, I want to be there.
- [98:51]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [98:52]
Doug
So just be kind to yourself. You're doing great. Don't do any more.
- [98:54]
Caller
You're in a great place. And you're also. I, you know, you in the transformation group is perfect. Having. Having some guidance through that process to make sure you don't dip into old bad behaviors is perfect. I think, you know, with Kyle and them in there leading that group, just stay the course.
- [99:11]
Doug
You know, I think I talked to you yesterday, Mandy. Weren't we. You were on the call yesterday, weren't you?
- [99:15]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, no, not for that, but I was in the. The group. I'm just doing the maps program, so.
- [99:21]
Doug
Not in the coaching.
- [99:22]
Caller
Oh, I thought you were around.
- [99:23]
Sal DiStefano
I will be the next time you guys offer it like it just happened to be in tax season. And I'm accountant, so I'm. I'm literally dying. Outside of.
- [99:31]
Doug
Okay.
- [99:32]
Sal DiStefano
Outside of all this.
- [99:33]
Doug
I got something for you I think will help. That will help you in this process. I think working with a really good. Okay. Underlying coach will help you and help guide you. Okay. Because. Because of your tendencies, because of, you know, it's going to be very hard to not slowly creep and what's going, here's what it looks like. I'm just going to tell you ahead of time. I'll give you some forecasting. I feel great. I'm on fire. I'm going to do a little more. Oh my God. I feel better. It's all good. I'm going to do a little more. I can tolerate this. I could do a little more. Then your body fires back at you and something big happens. Okay. So I think a coach would be really beneficial and what the coach will do with you, you give them your goals, you tell them and they're going to really monitor you. And now we have coaches that work for us, that we totally vouch for, that we love their integrity. They're really, really good. I can have someone call you now or we can wait, have them call you later. But other than that it's just going to be, take it easy. You are doing so well.
- [100:28]
Caller
Yeah.
- [100:28]
Doug
That if you just stay in this mental space, stay the course and listen to your body like you have a lifetime.
- [100:33]
Caller
I mean look, listen, look how far you've come in such a short period of time. Wait till you've got a year or two years under your belt of being consistent.
- [100:40]
Like keep happening company.
- [100:41]
Yes. You're gonna continue to get rewarded for it's amazing body. Will continue to thank you for taking care of it the way you are now. So.
- [100:48]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, and it's super exciting because I was never the athletic one growing up. That's always been my sister. So I was like the, the band geek, the, the drama nerd. So this is all new to me. Like at some point, like about like 10 years ago, I was 208 pounds. So this has been long coming and now I'm the athletic one. Like, like I'm reaping the benefits. And it's not just my sister. I'm now the just as good looking one as she is.
- [101:19]
Doug
Good for you.
- [101:20]
Caller
That's awesome. No, you're doing really great, man. Yeah, really good.
- [101:24]
Doug
Yeah, I'll. Look, I'll have a coach reach out to you. They could talk to you a little bit and maybe give you some advice. And if you want to work with them, I think they can help guide you through this process. But I think you're, you're doing so good. You're doing so good. I'm so glad you called and I hope, I hope you help, I know you help somebody listening to this who's in that tough spot that you were in.
- [101:42]
Sal DiStefano
You know, I was actually in the private forum whenever you guys Went on to talk about Maps Transform. I'm the one that said that I wanted to be the female version of Adam. I'm actually going to have to rescind that because now, knowing what Justin's doing, I might want to.
- [102:01]
Doug
You have no idea. You have no idea. The episodes haven't aired yet, but there's this little. Little competition between Adam and Justin, and Adam's been getting slammed lately, so he lost another one out.
- [102:12]
Sal DiStefano
I'm sorry. I love watching you guys. You guys are fantastic. I wish I would have found you guys years ago. I would say my life would be wildly different, but I'm so grateful that it is what it is right now.
- [102:28]
Caller
Got us now.
- [102:28]
Doug
You did a good job killing it.
- [102:29]
Caller
Welcome to the family.
- [102:30]
Doug
Yeah. Good job.
- [102:32]
Caller
Keep it up.
- [102:32]
Sal DiStefano
Thank you, guys.
- [102:33]
Caller
Thank you, Mandy.
- [102:35]
Doug
No, all joking aside, Justin has a lot more fans than both of us. Pretty crazy. Hey, I got. Listen. Were you guys fighting back tears, too, listening to her?
- [102:44]
Caller
Yeah.
- [102:44]
Yeah.
- [102:45]
Doug
I'm like, oh, my God.
- [102:46]
Caller
At some point it was. Yeah, it was all coming out.
- [102:48]
Listen how life changing that could be. I mean, my. My favorite part about stories like that is there's so many people that. And she was. Obviously, she was an extreme example of, like doing two workouts a day, plus running the marathon stuff and under eating. But a lot of people are on that end of the spectrum.
- [103:09]
Doug
I know.
- [103:09]
Caller
Yeah.
- [103:09]
Maybe not as crazy as that, but they do this and they. And they go, man, I'm putting in all this work.
- [103:14]
Doug
Why am I not.
- [103:15]
Caller
Why am I not seeing results?
- [103:17]
Doug
What do I feel like?
- [103:17]
Caller
And then here. Here she is, eating more, training less than she ever has, and then seeing the results.
- [103:22]
Doug
Lean.
- [103:23]
Caller
Yeah. Getting in better shape.
- [103:24]
Like just a great testimony.
- [103:26]
Yeah. So talk about. So. So.
- [103:27]
Doug
And you know, I will also. I'm going to add this. The peptide therapy. We're probably five years away from that being really mainstream, especially when it comes.
- [103:37]
Caller
Not even close right now when it.
- [103:39]
Doug
Comes to degenerative issues and stuff like that. Like those peptides can really address issues that modern medicine has yet to really have solutions for because they heal. They don't treat. They heal. So it's very, very different. So people listening. Mphormones.com those are the people we vouch for. Go there, talk to them. They'll do the blood work. They'll take, and then they'll. They'll. Okay, here, let's. Let's try this. And we have. That's. I've heard a lot of people like her. Maybe not as extreme, but in case. Where they have pain and issues that they can't solve. That peptide therapy, you know, made the difference big time. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind pump Justin, I'm Mindpump DiStefano. Adam's at Mindpump.
- [104:18]
Justin Andrews
Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB super bundle@mindpumpmedia.com the RGB Super Bundle includes Maps, Anabolic Maps, Performance and Maps Aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal, Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs with detailed workout blue prints and over 200 videos. The RGB Super Bundle is like having Sal, Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers, but at a fraction of the price. The RGB Super Bundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee and you can get it now. Plus other valuable free resources@mindpumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show, please share the love by leaving us a five star rating and review on itunes and by introducing Mind Pump to your friends and family. We thank you for your support and until next time, this is Mind Pump.