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2581: The 4 Stupid Reasons You’re NOT Getting Results & More (Listener Live Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach three Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The 4 stupid reasons you’re NOT getting results. (2:23) Always be a student. (30:01) Chlorophyll is an excellent detoxifier....
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Sal DiStefano
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Adam Schaefer
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Justin Andrews
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Adam Schaefer
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Sal DiStefano
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Adam Schaefer
And Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, people called in. We got to coach them live on air. But this was after the intro. Today's intro is 52 minutes long. In the intro we talk about fitness studies, diet tips, building muscle, burning, body fat. It's a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this one where we can coach you, send us your questions@liveindpumpmedia.com now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Organifi. Today we talked about their Green Juice. Green Juice is a great way to get micronutrients from greens. It's also a great way to get your body organization or help your body get rid of heavy metals. Because greens are chelating, they bind to the heavy metals and you help get rid of them out of your body. Anyway, go check them out. Go check out their green juice. It's amazing. Go to Organifi.com, that's O R G A N I F I.com mindpump Use the code mindpump. Get 20% off. This episode is also brought to you by Butcherbox. They deliver grass fed meat, wild caught fish, heritage pork to your door. They also bring chicken, all the proteins and meats you want that are healthy, best quality at low prices delivered to your door. Go to butcherbox.com mindpump by the way, new users that sign up will get hooked up with ground beef in your box for the lifetime of your subscription and $20 off the first box. We also have a sale this month, Maps hit and the extreme fitness bundle, 50% off. If you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code APRIL50 for the discount. Here comes the show.
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Sal DiStefano
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Justin Andrews
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Justin Andrews
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Adam Schaefer
There are many reasons why you might not be getting results, but there's four reasons that are really stupid. They're dumb because they're annoying, but they're common and most people overlook them. That's what we're gonna talk about. The four most common stupid reasons where you're not getting results.
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Unknown
Stupid reason.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And I'll start with the first one and then we'll swing back, talk a little bit about kind of what we're talking about. But the first one is eating too little. Eating too little.
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Sal DiStefano
I mean, this one's controversial because, I mean, we just had a great conversation with Dr. Mike Isratel and you know, he, one of his claims is that the majority of people just under report and it's not eating too little.
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Adam Schaefer
Sure.
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Sal DiStefano
I definitely think there is, there's a large portion of that for sure. But I also think there's a lot of clients that I trained that, you know, were just starving their bodies of nutrients and overdoing it and so and just simply scaling back on the Volume, intensity, increasing food a little bit, especially going after whole foods and protein, all of a sudden we saw change.
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Adam Schaefer
Well, the reason why this one's, one of the stupid reasons is because it's not intuitive. Like you're trying to lose weight and so you're eating less. And that is definitely part of the formula of losing weight, is to eat less than you're eating before, but you could be eating so little that you're compromising your body's ability to function. You're compromising your ability to recover and adapt to exercise. And you're putting your body in a position to where it kind of wants to hold onto things. And so what it'll do is it'll pare muscle down. That's what happens here.
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Unknown
It's surviving at that point.
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Adam Schaefer
Right.
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Unknown
And then it too is affecting your performance, performance in your workouts, which you're not maximizing your true potential as you're actually even going through the exercises. So, you know, it's, it's a lot of different factors that happen when you're really low in calories.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. And there's, there's a couple, there's a few components in here. One is you could be just generally eating too little. So your calories are so low that your body is paring muscle down. It's changing your hormone profile to try to get, you try to essentially, for lack of a better term, slow your metabolism down. Okay. And so things will halt and you'll be stuck at this real low calorie place and you're not progressing anymore. You have another 15 pounds to lose. It's really frustrating and you can't figure it out because you're eating so little. I should be losing lots of weight. The other part of this is if you're eating too little of an essential macronutrient. So this could be, I'm not eating enough fats because fats are essential. Proteins are essential. That's another one. I'm not eating enough proteins. But the not enough fats one. I mean, being a trainer who started training clients in the late 90s and in all the way up, this was common because especially my female clients. Yes. In the 80s and 90s, what was hammered into us for, for fat loss was low fat. So I get female clients. I'm not exaggerating. Okay. These were, you know, these were people that were like really counting everything who would come to me and they just couldn't figure out why. They felt like absolute garbage. They would have weird symptoms like hair thinning, skin issues. Their, their Energy was terrible, libido was gone. And I'd go through their diet and they'd be having like 15 grams of fat a day, 20 grams. I'm not making this up. Like, they were literally boiling chicken breasts.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Eating it with, you know, leanest cuts of meat possible. Oh, they wouldn't even touch.
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Unknown
No, nothing with fat.
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Adam Schaefer
No, it was like boiled chicken breast. It was white fish, vegetables, white rice, or plain potato. And they would eat like this in salads and they couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. And when I'd look at it like, you're not even eating essential fats, your body's not absorbing fat soluble vitamins and you need some fats to, to, to do well. So I would literally, it was so funny. Some of these clients, I'd have them add like a tablespoon of peanut butter or I'd have them, you know, add like an avocado. Change, immediate change in energy and their body would start kicking in gear. Now too. Little protein is also terrible and can cause a lot of those issues as well. But low calories in general, too. Low calories in general.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Your body will figure out how to operate on those low calories because that's what it does. Creates deficiencies and it causes your, it just makes you lose muscle like crazy. And so then you end up in this position, which. How many times this happened, you guys, you'd have somebody who would just not, you know, in the gym who would just under eat and they would lose weight and their body fat percentage would go up.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
And couldn't figure out, what do you mean I lost?
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Unknown
Worst case scenario, I lost 12 pounds.
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Adam Schaefer
How did my body fat percentage go up? It's like you lost 10 pounds of muscle, maybe a couple pounds.
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Sal DiStefano
I think this is why it falls into the category of four stupid things. Right. Because it's like, how frustrated are you when you're like, okay, I understand law thermodynamics, I'm gonna move more, eat less. And, and that's the main rule I'm going to follow. And then I do. And then the result on the scale says I did a good job. But then I go take my body fat and what, you mean to tell me I got fatter? How's that possible? And it's like, yeah, no, it's very.
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Adam Schaefer
Your story of your trainers is my favorite. Where you had everybody compete. Yeah, these were trainers, but a lot of them overdid it. Yeah, and a lot of them overdid it and they, they came back lighter with A higher body fat percentage. Because here's what happens if you have. If you're sitting at, let's say 15% body fat at, let's say you're a man, 200 pounds, 15 body fat. So you, you know, you got a nice athletic build, 15% is good. And then you lose 20 pounds. Okay. But it's muscle. It's all muscle. Your current body fat now is a higher percentage of your body weight. So in other words, your body fat, you're actually fatter as a percentage.
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Sal DiStefano
Even if it was half, you still would go up, I believe. Right. If. Am I mathing that correctly?
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Adam Schaefer
It could, yeah. If it was half muscle, half fat.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Even if it. Which is not horrible. Totally horrible. But that's what an example of how that's doable. I don't know if it's exactly half, but it'd be close. You could easily lose, you know, definitely.
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Adam Schaefer
If you lost more muscle than fat.
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Sal DiStefano
Oh yeah, definitely. Then you would you go up in body fat percentage. But I think there's a. I forget where the number is because I've done. Done the math before. It's like, wow, that's crazy that even if you did a good job of losing, say 10 or 20 pounds is if just half of it was.
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Adam Schaefer
You could, you could stay in the same place.
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Sal DiStefano
Stay the same or go up. And let me tell you, the work.
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Adam Schaefer
The work.
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Sal DiStefano
To lose 20 pounds, regardless of what the 20 pounds is, is a lot of work. I mean, that's a lot of depriving yourself of calories and a lot of activity to result in. I mean, how frustrating is that to do all that? I mean, that was my trainers. I mean, they were just, this thing's broken. It doesn't work. It's a. And I'll be honest, when it, when, when that happened there, I questioned it too. I was just like, not all. Can all my guys and girls be off. Are we all that off? Like, dude.
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Unknown
And this. I was just like thinking about that and like the, the amount of competition where we get like Ronnie and Nick in, in the sauna. Yeah. Doing burpees and like sweaty and like everything was like so high intensity and like cardiovascular based. And like, we were just so oblivious. And I'm like, oh, these guys are crazy. And I was just, you know, I was still in that mentality. I have to like lose weight by adding more cardio on top of the training I'm already doing. And like, and then you find yourself in that place where you get tested and you're like, this can't be true. This can't be true.
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Adam Schaefer
It's crazy. All right, the next one. This one's relatively common. Just exercising too much or too hard.
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Sal DiStefano
Which goes right to the point where.
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Adam Schaefer
Justin was just saying, yes, this one is. So remember exercise.
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Unknown
See, I'm right in line.
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Adam Schaefer
Exercise is essentially a hormetic stress. Okay? So it's a stress on the body that tells the body it needs to become stronger, more fit, build muscle to adapt to the stress that it provides. But if the stress overcomes or surpasses your body's ability to adapt and recover, it's just stress, just lots of stress. And your body adapts. If it doesn't adapt to the stress, if you can't adapt to the stress, all that's gonna happen is gonna break things down. You're gonna cause hormone issues. That's a very common one. By over exercising. Too much or too hard is a fantastic way to crash your testosterone if you're a man. It's an amazing way to destroy your hormone profile if you're a woman. This is an extremely stupid reason or frustrating reason because you're working your butt off.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
And nothing's happening. This is common in the high intensity group exercise world. This is what you see more often than not in the boot camp classes, the F45s, the orange theories, these, you know, middle aged people coming in who are going crazy and initially they lose 10 pounds, so like super excited. But then they plateau and they're like, okay, I'm coming here four days a week and I'm barely crawling out of here because I'm pushing it so hard and I. And that's it. I'm not progressing anymore. But I have another 15 pounds to lose. Do I go one more day a week? That's a lot. Do I go six days a week? What that, what's that going to do? It's very frustrating. The truth is exercise needs to be appropriate. If it's appropriate, your body will respond. If it's too little, it won't respond very fast. If it's too much, you're going to freeze. You're going to freeze your progress and you're going to plateau. And if you push it too, too hard for too long, you'll go backwards.
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Sal DiStefano
You know, that's the part that makes this so stupid or frustrating is that, you know, what is that? And there's such a wide variance, right. And it's so nuanced and context matters because I know what happens is a lot of people are just like, I'm not even pushing that hard. I'm only training this many days or. But you're also working 10 hours a day at work. You've also got a newborn kid at home. You also just got in a fight with your wife. You know, you have all these other things. And then on top of that you chose, the mode of exercise you chose is high intensity circuit training or CrossFit. And it's like in, in that context, even only doing it say three or four days a week and then the rest of the time you're not doing any other. It still can be too much stress. And that's enough for these people not to see the results. And again, really difficult because then they're comparing themselves to somebody else who's in the same class going, well, why is it working so well for them? Well, that context matters. We don't know what that person is, how they're dieting, what their stress levels are like and all that stuff matters. And you got to know where you're at and where to, where to start.
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Unknown
It's all signal and it's no recovery. Yeah, you know, it's this weird illusion that I could just, I think some people are still under the impression that the workout itself is where they're building the muscle. And so then to keep doing that and then keep increasing that intensity and keep, you know, throttling down on that is going to pay off. But really the building process it requires, you know, that's the signal that then now we have to go back, we have to recover, we have to feed ourselves, we have to have the materials. All that has to happen to now actually like provide the muscle.
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Adam Schaefer
These kind of clients were simultaneously some of the most challenging, but also my favorites because if I could get it, if I could do a good job, where I could convince them to trust me, that was the hard part. Right. So you take somebody who's doing five days a week of high intensity group exercise classes, they've plateaued. And it's typically. I'm going to paint the, let me paint the picture for you, okay? It says a 38 year old mom of two and she's getting back into fitness because her baby just turned three years old and she initially lost 12 pounds. But she's been doing this four days a week now and has seen no movement on the scale for a while. And you see her working her butt off and sweating and then you start talking with her. I have to convince her that doing less and training less hard and doing a little bit more traditional strength training, which seems Like a cakewalk compared to what she was doing before is going to get her better results. Now, if I can do a good job and convince her and then convince her to stick around because it takes a second for this to work, then it's a lifer. This was a lifelong client, but the hard part was convincing them, because it was always like, wait, you want me to do less? You want me to do? I just. You just took me through a workout, and that felt like nothing compared to what I've been doing, and you're telling me this is going to burn body fat? And I was like, trust me. Later in my career, I got good at this because usually a friend recommended them. So they trusted me because they saw the evidence there. But once they followed through, it was like. And what would they always say? I feel like I'm barely doing anything and my body's progressing.
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Sal DiStefano
I'm eating more, I'm working out less. I have more energy. It doesn't make sense.
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Unknown
Bringing me anxiety.
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Adam Schaefer
The next one is a nutrient deficiency. This one sucks because a lot of people don't even realize that the reasons why they don't feel great, the reasons why they're not recovering, the reasons why maybe they're showing signs of hormone imbalances, is because they're not getting a key nutrient that's so easy to fix. Like, for example, magnesium deficiency. Not getting enough magnesium, by some estimates, probably affects between 20 to 30% of everybody. Some people say even more. There's some health experts that think that was 60. Yeah. That will say as higher.
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Sal DiStefano
I've read 60.
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Adam Schaefer
It depends on what you believe is optimal, but it's a sizable percentage of people. Now. What does a magnesium deficiency look like? Well, it looks like anxiety. It looks like poor sleep. It looks like feeling uneasy, not recovering like I used to. Just kind of like not feeling, you know, maybe some headaches here and there. Now, those are easy to overlook, right? Because you'd be like, I don't know why. I'm kind of getting bad sleep and I feel a little anxious, and I don't know. So you go to your doctor and your doctor's like, well, you know, try this that you do. That doesn't work. And then the doctor's like, here's an ssri or here's an anxiolytic or, you know, whatever. Not realizing this is an easy fix. Vitamin D deficiency is even more common. Vitamin D deficiency will kill a man's testosterone. It can cause infertility. It can cause aches and pains. This happened to my dad My dad, who often is outside now we have dark skin, so he needs more sun than the average person. But he's often outside working, he's active. And he was having all these aches and pains. Now he thought it's because he's older. Arthritis. He's worked blue collar work his entire life. Couldn't figure it out. And it was like, I mean, this was going on, guys, for probably a year. Yeah. And he was taking pain medication. Just couldn't figure it out. Did a regular blood test. Like your vitamin D is in the floor. They gave him, you know, vitamin D you could buy for so cheap anywhere. Started taking it, pain was gone. Pain was totally gone.
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Unknown
How common do you think it is that people, you know, maybe with some of these deficiencies and symptoms will just chalk it up and attribute it to their older now.
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Adam Schaefer
Right.
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Unknown
And this is part of the aging process.
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Sal DiStefano
They don't ever get checked or even that they, they. This is part of the process of feeling this way because this goes hand in hand with the first one.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
Almost always when someone. And I remember the. I wish I remember be able to say I'm the worst at when it comes to citing the studies or whatever it was. But I remember reading a study or an article that talked about the. You know, the average male and female at this weight was like so like very general numbers. How many calories macros would they need to have to hit their like RDA for all their.
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Adam Schaefer
Which is. Which by the way, some people argue isn't even optimal for nutrients.
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Sal DiStefano
Right, Exactly. And it's like the amount you were supposed to eat, it was like for a guy was like 3,500 plus a serving of liver. It was like this, like just ridiculous. Nobody's eating that. I'm like, so almost everybody's gonna have some sort of deficiency somewhere. And then put that in the context of somebody who is dieting and eating like you said, you know, boiled chicken breast, this and that. It's like, dude, you are certainly probably deficient somewhere. And so I, Yeah, I think they go hand in hand. If you're eating too little, you're also probably going to have some of these nutrient.
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Adam Schaefer
Have you guys ever seen. They put together some dietitians and they said create a 2,000-calorie diet that hits the. The RDA of every single micronutrient.
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Unknown
Right.
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Adam Schaefer
They. It took some crazy planning.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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Adam Schaefer
And it was not a diet the average person would eat.
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Sal DiStefano
No, it's like, as I told you, you have to have so many ounces of liver, like you need these unbelievably nutri in order to fit the calorie. So I remember it was like had.
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Adam Schaefer
To match the calories.
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Sal DiStefano
Calories to not gain weight on the average person but yet hit your nutrients like you. It's crazy.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
And that just, it's a testament to how much we. I think our nutrients lacking or like there's part of that. I think it was connected to showing like what a, like a vegetable had nutrient wise today versus like years if.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. So food is a lot lower. Our, our maintenance calories is much lower. And so you. And because of that like what we, what is required to get what our body needs is much higher. Yet if we eat much higher, we put on body fat. So we're in this conundrum of okay, I need to eat less in order to lose weight. But then I'm almost certainly going to be deficient somewhere because I'm getting nutrient deposit. So. And I just think it's overlooked.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
I think we talk so much about the aesthetic. Right. How I look. Oh, I don't like this gut. And this is what it takes to lose it. But we don't talk about health and what's optimal nutrient wise.
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Adam Schaefer
No, it's relatively common when you, when you look at all. And then there's also this like the greater the deficiency, the louder the signs and symptoms are. So you could be borderline deficient and you just kind of don't feel as good as you could, you know, and you don't have these crazy glaring symptoms but you're just not getting. You're in the low level.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So, so this was dumb because I've had clients like this. I've had clients like this. Actually I had one.
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Sal DiStefano
I was like this with magnesium.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
I, I vitamin D too. Yes. If you would have asked me, I would be like, I'm fine. I don't think I have bad sleep or anything. But then all of a sudden I take it. And it felt life changing. Like that's wild. But it was because I was deficient in that.
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Adam Schaefer
Yep. I had a client once that for a while we could not figure out why she was having this strange neuro, you know, neuropathy in her fingertips. And what was like it was happening forever. And her doctor couldn't figure it out. Nobody could figure it out. And I did some Google searching as a trainer and I'm like, I think you have a vitamin B deficiency. She got tested, sure enough took some cheap vitamin B Some B supplements, and she felt great. All right, Last is not priming or doing a proper warm up. All right, so why is this a stupid reason or why is this a frustrating reason? First off, we call a good warmup or one that's individualized priming. We use that word to differentiate it. Because when I say warm up, people just think warming up the body, calisthenics.
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Unknown
Running on the treadmill, blood flow, and that's about it.
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Adam Schaefer
And now the bar is really low with warmups. The idea behind a warmup is to reduce the risk of injury. That's the idea, and that's the minimum it should do. And just moving before you exercise does reduce the risk of injury through some mechanisms. Primarily the main one being you're just. Your body is just firing better because you've just done a couple of these things. Like, for example, if you do, you know, you practice one thing, the second time around, you'll do it better.
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Unknown
It's not as abrupt. Your body recognizes it better.
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Adam Schaefer
Yes. Now, priming is different. Priming takes your individual body and how it moves, and you warm your body up individually so that it works best during your workout based off of what you need. Okay, so to give you an example, I may be someone who, when I squat, my ankle mobility is a limiting factor. So what ends up happening when I squat, this is a common one, is I'll squat and my feet will flatten and slightly turn out, so I'll get a little bit of rotation in my knee. Now, I might not notice it, but I start to notice that my knees bother me a little bit. I get a little achy in my knees when I squat. Okay. If I identify that in myself properly, I can do ankle priming. And then when I get into my squat, that doesn't happen because I move better. You could do this for your hips, you could do this for your shoulders. You may have forward shoulder, you might have forward head. You might have issues engaging your core. If you prime properly, then when you get into your workout, right away, set one is effective. Right away it's effective and the risk of injury goes way down. So. So to put it differently, a well done set of squats where you are moving very, very well versus one that's okay, right? It's not so bad. You're gonna hurt yourself right away, but it's just not great. The difference in results over the next six months is actually significant. It's quite significant. And a lot of people don't understand how to prime. Now, a good coach or trainer will know how to prime you properly, but really look at your individual movement pattern issues and warm yourself up specifically, not generally. That's one of the best ways I could put it.
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Sal DiStefano
If you had to put a percentage to the return on your investment on that per exercise you do in the workout, would you say it makes the exercise 5% better? 1%? 10%?
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Unknown
I say 10.
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Sal DiStefano
At least 10%. I mean, so for the audience, they understand we're very aware of this and we see great examples of this at the professional level of sports. So if you go to a football game, hockey game, basketball game, any professional sport, and unfortunately the television doesn't show much of this because you don't you. They cut right from commercial right to playing. But what it's happening before the game for about 30 minutes is very individualized priming for all these athletes. Almost every athlete has a assigned coach. So if you watch basketball, like all, all 15 players have like a serious, like a guy that works with you.
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Adam Schaefer
So it's like your warm up looks like this.
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Sal DiStefano
So Steph Curry's band work and drills looks different than Draymond Green's drills. And they, they have, they have figured that out now. You're talking about some of the most fit athletes out there. So it's not like they need this exercise, but what they are doing is they are priming their body to go get the most out of every movement that they do in that game for the next few. It's the same thing when you get.
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Unknown
In the pocket the quickest possible.
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Sal DiStefano
Yes.
- [25:34]
Unknown
And that's the thing is here, and on that level too, you're talking about velocity and acceleration, which you know, has even more need for priming in order to. I was just going through this, getting coached for just a jerk press. And so this is something that's like a bit foreign to me right now in terms of like an Olympic lift. But the demands for it are crazy in terms of my feet positioning and to be responsive with that, and so to be responsive with that, doing it without the priming sequence. You see me flailing all over the place because my body's just trying to react and catch and figure it out and like over, over overdoing it in terms of my energy output just to try to stabilize and control. So, you know, but then I, as I did it again with priming, and I've, you know, patterned that, that, that movement. It was like synced in immediate sinking in. And again, if you kind of scale that down to, to your workout and any kind of exercise, you're Doing, you're just going to squeeze and maximize that performance potential to that degree.
- [26:36]
Adam Schaefer
If you add, if you include the, the, the, the gains you'll get or the performance you'll get for the exercise through the sets with proper priming and you combine that with the reduction in injury or pain, I believe the, the payoff is more than 10.
- [26:54]
Sal DiStefano
I know, I just, I, I would.
- [26:55]
Adam Schaefer
Say over the course of a year, it's probably more like 15.
- [26:58]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, the reason why I brought up the professional athlete thing is because these guys are working out, they're doing nutrition, they're checking the boxes already and yet they still, they're still doing it and they're still doing it and it's, they're still revisits. So for the average gym goer who's not checking a lot of the boxes, I think the return's even higher. I think the impact of them getting ready to go, the return that they're going to see on it is even greater because they're not optimizing every other place. So at least optimize getting your body ready for that, that workout. I think the, I wish we had some good studies to give to nail down a percentage so I could sell it better. But it's like an area that, I mean to me of all the ones you've listed, this one is like, I mean this is, again, I've said this before on the podcast, if you listen for a long time I was so proud of, you know, we're proud of everything we've done program wise. But Maps prime was so, was so special as far as like I knew the value and it took me years before I got to this place where I, I really recognize the value of the assessment and really teaching a client how to prepare their body for a workout to get the most out of it so they move more optimally, they reap the most amount of benefits. And it was mind boggling how many people skipped that process or how many bad people bastardize it by just doing ridiculous like jumping jacks or just go run on a treadmill for 10 minutes and then let's go right into our workout. It's like, man, if we could hone in on what this person's body needs and spend a quick five to eight minutes just getting them ready, man, the rewards, aside from injury prevention and posture and moving better, it just, the rewards on the muscle building side and fat loss are tremendous. And so the fact that we created something that not only trainers and coaches could go use for their clients, but that the Person who doesn't even have a trainer and coach could assess themselves and learn that themselves. I think it's the best thing that.
- [28:46]
Adam Schaefer
We ever do because this is more individualized. Let's do. So if you want something like that, you go to mapsprime.com then Prime 50 will give you 50% off. That way you can figure that out for yourself. A good trainer knows how to do this, by the way. This is what. This is one of the technical things that separates a great trainer from your typical trainer.
- [29:01]
Sal DiStefano
If your trainer does part of their value run. If your trainer doesn't do this on our first. If your trainer on the first session doesn't do a deep, thorough assessment on you run.
- [29:10]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, big red flag.
- [29:12]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. There's a. There's far better coaches than trainers out there that take this part. And the ones that are. That have been doing this for a long time understand how valuable, how important this is. And they're not at that phase of their career where they allow the client to dictate what the training session looks like. They know how to convince or explain to this person how valuable this assessment that we're doing is. Even when the client's saying, I just want to work out. Let's just show me some exercise. Let's just get a sweat on. And you're like, no, no, no. I'm gonna, I'm gonna break down to you why we wanna.
- [29:38]
Adam Schaefer
Here's how valuable priming can be when you do it right. Okay. This is a trainer trick, but it's not really a trick. It's just, you know what you're doing. You would get a client. I would get a client, a potential client who would say to me, I have low back pain, or I have shoulder pain, or really show me when your shoulder hurts. Oh, it's. When I do this, I would prime them for 10 minutes properly. Then I'd say, do that movement again. No shoulder pain. Oh, my God, it's gone. They would hire me right on the spot. That's literally. That was like 100%. You talk to any trainer who's been training for a long time who knows this. If I had somebody that I wanted to get hire me, this was the fastest, easiest way to show my value is when they had a little bit of pain. I'd make it go away in 10 minutes with proper priming. And it would, it would. It would either go away or it'd be 70 reduction.
- [30:22]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, let's. Let's break that one down because it was so common. And I think it is so powerful, like, because the. The. The. The joint. Right. The humerus is, like, floating, right? And what happens. A lot of people feel this pain in their shoulder when they do bench press or overhead pressing because it's not in an optimal position. And the muscles that are supposed to stabilize that shoulder and put it in the optimal spot aren't. Aren't firing properly. And so what you know to do is go, okay, I know what this person needs to do. They need to fire all those muscles, get them warmed up, and then that'll pull that humerus into the optimal position to where that. That shoulder is floating in that socket perfectly. So then when they go, it looks like you just miraculously cured them, but you just understand as a trainer, like, oh, I know why this person feels that way. Let me go warm that up real quick. And now that person who was skipping bench press or overhead pressing because can now do it. And, like, talk about the return on that. Like. And you. I had clients like that. I had clients who, like, oh, yeah, you know, I don't. I don't do bench press because every time I do it, I feel this clicking and it just nagging pain. Or, oh, tonight I'm gonna do shoulder press. I feel this. And so, you know, I can do this. I can do that, but I avoid that. And it's like, oh, my God. Well, we could. We could fix that right now. You want to fix that? And, like, huh?
- [31:28]
Adam Schaefer
You fix me right now?
- [31:30]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Blow their mind.
- [31:31]
Adam Schaefer
I used to love that.
- [31:32]
Sal DiStefano
Hey, I wanted to ask you. Haven't talked to you since you. You went and trained with Jordan.
- [31:36]
Unknown
Yeah, with Jordan, Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing. And it's funny because it's just, like. It's one of those things that you. You're always the student, and, like, you know, that gets thrown out there a lot, and it's. I knew a brief amount about Olympic lifting from my past working with it for football, but it was. I had some good coaches that have kind of set a little bit of a foundation, but, like, just the amount of cues and direction and the high level that he is in terms of, you know, that specific lift itself. It was like I was. I was sitting there just, like, mind blown, just because it was like, I felt stupid because I had waited this long to go get somebody to actually do a proper assessment of what I'm actually trying to accomplish. So he's.
- [32:22]
Adam Schaefer
He was walking through a jerk press. Yeah, right. And that's a technical lift. Okay, explain a jerk press to me versus a push press. I know What a push press is?
- [32:30]
Unknown
Push press? Yeah, bilateral. So it's. I'm basically.
- [32:33]
Adam Schaefer
So are you jumping to a split stance?
- [32:35]
Unknown
So, yeah, I'm jumping to split stance. Yeah, to a split stance position. And what that provides. So if I'm trying to do an excess amount of weight, which I'm. I'm trying to really push the. The envelope of what I've never. Where I've never been before. I'm trying to clear a certain distance greater because, you know, you want to get the amount of load you're. You're pushing up. Right. I can. I'm limited to, let's say, like 275. I got full lockout. So now I try to put 315. I can get about here. Right.
- [33:08]
Adam Schaefer
If you get under.
- [33:08]
Unknown
So now if I get under and I drop, I. I just went from. From this potential to this potential. Yeah, but that requires a lot more skill in what I'm doing with my legs and my feet, especially, because I'm. I'm not. My body isn't as. Doesn't recognize that kind of stabilization at that kind of velocity. So it was like, a lot of work we were doing was really like, you know, the step out and then the. The pushing of the front of my foot and the back foot to create that vertical stability. And then also my hand position, I had to really widen my grip as I'm. As I'm pushing out. Because the technique, it's. It's too. It's also a little different because I'm used to, like, a real explosive, snapping push, so that with a push press, I could. I could kind of hinge my hips and I could almost like vertical jump it up.
- [34:04]
Adam Schaefer
Right, right, right.
- [34:05]
Unknown
This is a little bit different. So I'm setting up. So I'm basically dropping in and pressing down, I guess pressing my knee down as opposed to pressing my arms up.
- [34:19]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, interesting.
- [34:20]
Unknown
So it's a different. Different cue shift, different mindset with that because I'm just trying to clear that distance by lowering and then extending as I'm lowering. So it's. It's less of my upper body, really trying to muscle this up as much as the technique. And getting 12 of me, it's like.
- [34:36]
Adam Schaefer
Getting under while you extend your arm.
- [34:37]
Unknown
Yes.
- [34:38]
Adam Schaefer
And then holding it and then holding.
- [34:39]
Unknown
It in into the lockout. So it's a whole new thing.
- [34:44]
Sal DiStefano
How far did you have to regress?
- [34:46]
Unknown
Oh, real far.
- [34:47]
Sal DiStefano
Did you go all the way down?
- [34:48]
Unknown
Really humbling. I mean, no. I mean, yeah, I did the bar. I did it. No, Empty bar. And we worked up, and I. I kind of went up to, like, 185. And then I was like, it's funny because, you know, we're in a CrossFit gym, and, you know, I love Jordan. He's, like, a really good coach. At the same time, I'm like, they do a lot of volume here. I guarantee it. Because, like, even when I'm trying to rest in between, he's, like, just staring at me, you know, I'm just like. And I'm trying to, like, small talk just to buy myself some time.
- [35:15]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:15]
Adam Schaefer
You know, ready or what?
- [35:16]
Unknown
I don't even remember how many reps I did, but I just kept. He's like, okay, let's try this again. Oh, you want to add some more weight? It crushed me for three days like that, and I only got up to, like, 185, and I was like, fuck. It's almost like I'm learning a whole new thing.
- [35:30]
Adam Schaefer
Well, you are. It's a huge skill, but.
- [35:33]
Unknown
But it's so not that much difference. Just, like, you know, because I'm still pressing, but at the same time, I'm doing a whole lot more.
- [35:40]
Adam Schaefer
Well, bro, you got to stabilize with the split stance. Your. Your grip is wider, and then from the split stance, you have to come up and step together. So that's like a whole. That's all different.
- [35:51]
Unknown
Well, that part's. Yeah, that part's not as bad. It's. It's. Yeah, it really. It's the synchronicity of the whole thing. Like, it's just really.
- [35:59]
Adam Schaefer
Have you walked out over, like, my.
- [36:02]
Unknown
Brain was, like, on overload.
- [36:03]
Adam Schaefer
Have you walked out yet with just a locked 315 and just held it?
- [36:07]
Unknown
Just held it.
- [36:08]
Adam Schaefer
You have.
- [36:08]
Unknown
But. But that's just. That's. Without any effort. That was, like, just holding it.
- [36:13]
Adam Schaefer
Right, right, right. And you've done that, and it's heavy as hell. Yeah, dude. I can't tell.
- [36:18]
Sal DiStefano
I was like, I don't know, dude, crush my spine.
- [36:21]
Unknown
But. But that was the thing. So. So it's like I made this massive leap where I finally got, like, 275, and then it was like, oh, yeah. Okay. So. So now what I'm looking at is this. And then it was like, I really have to step, like, quite a bit back to get further in that, and that was frustrating.
- [36:41]
Sal DiStefano
I knew you were crazy.
- [36:42]
Adam Schaefer
Boom.
- [36:42]
Sal DiStefano
350.
- [36:43]
Adam Schaefer
I'm like, dude, typical 75.
- [36:45]
Sal DiStefano
I would have been impressed, bro. Hyped you too. I would have hella hyped you.
- [36:49]
Unknown
About 275, we already would have had the whole thing. And like, I would have the chalk and, you know, the smelling salts, and it would have been done.
- [36:56]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, to compare it. To compare it in. In. In my world of what I was doing, it would have been like me coming out and being like, I'm gonna get all 50 pounds back right away. You know what I'm saying? No more.
- [37:06]
Adam Schaefer
He never did 350.
- [37:07]
Sal DiStefano
Well, yeah, well, it's.
- [37:08]
Adam Schaefer
It'd be like you gaining 50 pounds.
- [37:09]
Sal DiStefano
And 50 pounds muscle in. In three months is pretty ridiculous no matter where you've been before. You know what I'm saying? So that's how, like extreme.
- [37:16]
Adam Schaefer
And that's. And that's why no one will remember your name.
- [37:22]
Unknown
That resonates.
- [37:23]
Adam Schaefer
Look how happy he is right now.
- [37:26]
Unknown
I feel that.
- [37:26]
Adam Schaefer
That's so awesome, dude. The other day, Adam, you were asking me about. About detoxing.
- [37:32]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [37:34]
Adam Schaefer
So that led me down a little bit of rabbit hole into looking at chelating compounds. So these are compounds that bind to heavy metals.
- [37:43]
Sal DiStefano
Okay, so is chelating just another term for detoxing? Is that.
- [37:46]
Adam Schaefer
No. Well, it's part of it. It'll help the detoxing process. So chelating compounds, what they'll do is they'll. They'll attach to heavy metals and then you can excrete them. Okay, so. Because otherwise they kind of stay in the body. So if you have like, let's say you're high in aluminum or, you know, lead, God forbid, or whatever, then typically what a functional medicine practitioner will do is have you use chelating compounds, plus use things like a sauna and stuff like that to help move that process along. Yeah, chlorophyll is an excellent chelating comment. Chlorophyll is what makes plants green.
- [38:22]
Unknown
Yeah, that's.
- [38:23]
Adam Schaefer
It's what makes plants green.
- [38:24]
Sal DiStefano
Isn't that the primary thing that's in like green juice? Isn't that what that is?
- [38:27]
Adam Schaefer
Well, that's why it's green. So it's got. So the reason why it's green, it's. The organifies green juice is green is because of the chlorophyll, which, by the way, Doug, confirm this. I think I've had you look this up before. Chlorophyll, if I'm not mistaken, is. Is very similar to hemoglobin. To hemoglobin in blood.
- [38:43]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [38:43]
Adam Schaefer
Didn't they in The World War I of the world wars use it to. For people who needed hemoglobin as a cheap alternative. Maybe you could look that up. But anyway, so chlorophyll's got all these benefits, right? So like chlorella spirulina, you know, green algae, very high in chlorophyll.
- [39:02]
Unknown
Is this one of those, like when you know how people eat a to it's. They.
- [39:06]
Adam Schaefer
They turn orange.
- [39:07]
Unknown
Turn orange?
- [39:07]
Adam Schaefer
No, that's different. I don't think it'll turn.
- [39:09]
Unknown
You don't think it'll turn green? You think anybody's ever tried.
- [39:11]
Adam Schaefer
No, I don't think you turn green.
- [39:14]
Unknown
I'd be curious.
- [39:15]
Adam Schaefer
It can turn orange. Have you seen that before?
- [39:16]
Sal DiStefano
Is that real?
- [39:17]
Unknown
If you can, bro.
- [39:18]
Adam Schaefer
I went to school with the kids. That's why.
- [39:19]
Unknown
It's not that crazy.
- [39:20]
Adam Schaefer
I went to school.
- [39:21]
Sal DiStefano
Trump just eats a lot of.
- [39:22]
Adam Schaefer
Of carrots as orange, as they say. Did you see that? Somebody. Somebody called out one of the news networks for like, tinting more orange.
- [39:31]
Sal DiStefano
No way.
- [39:32]
Adam Schaefer
Yes.
- [39:32]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, that's hilarious.
- [39:34]
Unknown
Well, they did that to Joe Rogan when they tried to make him look sick.
- [39:36]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, Ivermectin.
- [39:37]
Unknown
They had all these weird filters on them.
- [39:39]
Adam Schaefer
It was to make them look all pale.
- [39:41]
Unknown
Oh, the levels people go to predeceptive.
- [39:44]
Adam Schaefer
Find anything on chlorophyll there, Doug?
- [39:46]
Justin Andrews
Well, it is very similar to hemoglobin. I don't see anything about it being used.
- [39:49]
Adam Schaefer
Look at, look at chlorophyll for blood transfusion. Okay. And then see if doctors have tried that before. I might be just making this up.
- [39:56]
Justin Andrews
You might be.
- [39:57]
Adam Schaefer
But anyway, so the green juice is probably because we get. There are lots of things that we're exposed to in the environment that our body has a tough time getting rid of. By the way, chlorophyll also boosts your liver's ability to detox. It does through this mechanism that I don't fully understand, but it's been shown in studies that if you. If you take chlorophyll or you supplement with things higher in chlorophyll, your liver will do a better job of. Of kind of detoxing, which is good. Especially if you do things like drink alcohol or exposed to pollutants and stuff like most of us are.
- [40:31]
Sal DiStefano
So is this good, good, good product? Is this what you are doing with all your free time now that you.
- [40:39]
Adam Schaefer
Here we go.
- [40:41]
Sal DiStefano
You have to tell the. You have to tell the audience about your other come to Jesus moment. Yeah, I feel like an update.
- [40:47]
Unknown
I haven't heard you story.
- [40:49]
Adam Schaefer
So what happens when you. You not find anything, Doug? No, I made it up then. It is a chelated compound, though, that's legit. No. So, you know, I'm going through this process of, you know, this is like a process of prayer, trying to break down this idol of mine around exercise. And so I broke it. I brought it down to two days a week. I was doing maps, anabolic two days a week, and then three days a week or so or two days a week. I'm doing, like, mobility and stuff. And the idea is to eventually go. Go back to Brazilian jiu jitsu, because it's just better. It's a healthier mindset for me to do that versus bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is just my relationship with it moves in the wrong direction. So anyway, I'm doing this two days a week. Right. And I'm getting strong. Right? Getting real strong. Adam was, like, commenting on my list, and that kind of perked a little bit. He shouldn't have said anything.
- [41:33]
Unknown
A little gasoline there.
- [41:34]
Adam Schaefer
Well, what happened? I'm not counting the weight. I purposely wasn't counting how much weight was on the bar.
- [41:38]
Sal DiStefano
And I wasn't saying it, like, to. Right.
- [41:40]
Adam Schaefer
I know.
- [41:41]
Sal DiStefano
You keep it going. It was more like a. Hey.
- [41:43]
Unknown
Oh, that's interesting.
- [41:44]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, that's what it was more like. That was like, okay, guy, you dropped down to two days a week, but now you're pressing some serious ass weight. It was more like.
- [41:50]
Unknown
Could have called that.
- [41:51]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So anyway, I was working out, and I came in here, and I'm deadlifting, and I'm just, you know, I'm feeling it, and, you know, I'm lying to myself. Of course. Hindsight, right? My ego was peeking up or whatever the idol was speaking up. So I started just slapping weight on, and I. I'm just getting. Having a good time. The staff's in here, and I put 5:30 on the bar, and I go to rip it real fast, and I feel pop my hamstring.
- [42:14]
Sal DiStefano
Just like me, dude.
- [42:15]
Adam Schaefer
Just like I did in Hawaii. Now, it wasn't a tear, but it was a pull. Definitely not a tear.
- [42:20]
Sal DiStefano
Same leg, just like me, dude.
- [42:21]
Adam Schaefer
Same hamstring. Different head of the hamstring, though.
- [42:24]
Unknown
Okay.
- [42:24]
Adam Schaefer
It wasn't the semitendinosis. It was more inner.
- [42:27]
Unknown
Different attachment.
- [42:28]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. So I'm like, cool, I got the other side, I guess.
- [42:30]
Unknown
Yeah, good. Even it out.
- [42:31]
Adam Schaefer
So I sit down and I'm like, angry. I'm angry. Like, thank gosh, I did this to myself. So I'm like, all right, let me just bring this down a little bit. And just. Let me just sit here and be by myself and pray a little bit and. Okay, okay. I hear you. You know, I'm doing it again. And so I'm sitting. I sat there for like, 10 minutes on the bench, just kind of like. So I'm like, you know, it's like the beginning of my workout. So, like, I'll just. I'll finish the work, I'll go light. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna go easy and finish the workout. Now, the obvious answer should have been, go home.
- [43:00]
Sal DiStefano
Take the day off.
- [43:00]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, go home, buddy. But I'm like, I'm just gonna go light. So I go to do my overhead press, and I lighten the load, and I'm pressing and I, you know, pull. Then I hurt my back. Double whammy. Now, the audience, people need to know this. I don't.
- [43:17]
Sal DiStefano
Somebody needs to make, like, an AI. Listen, AI image of us, like, wheelchair and, like.
- [43:24]
Adam Schaefer
All old, and you're so giddy.
- [43:26]
Sal DiStefano
Screw up.
- [43:27]
Adam Schaefer
Screw you.
- [43:27]
Sal DiStefano
You know what? Because I know you. Mystery Loves Company, dude. You know, same. I was just saying I feel. I feel you, though. I feel you because I actually, it. It got me. You know what I'm saying?
- [43:38]
Adam Schaefer
It's annoying, man.
- [43:39]
Sal DiStefano
Well, it's also because we know better, right? I know better. And. And just like you do. And to. And obviously, we're on this platform, we're teaching and helping and telling people. So to do dumb to yourself is just like, God, it's just. It's a double whammy. It's different if it's in the dark. And I don't got nobody gotta know about it. You know what I'm saying? But it's like the whole world finds out when I do it.
- [43:59]
Adam Schaefer
What's weird about. What's interesting is that I don't. You guys. I've been working out forever, you guys. I don't get hurt. I never get hurt. I'm pretty smart. I stick to what I do. My body's pretty resilient to injury, even heavy lifting. So it's just, you know, it's like, you know, someone's telling me something, so I just totally backed off and, you know, get back into it, but this time with a different, hopefully, attitude. Yeah, I hope I don't hurt myself.
- [44:22]
Sal DiStefano
So are you. Did you have to lay off legs completely for a week?
- [44:25]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, no legs. And I'm just moving this week. I'm just, you know, because I need to exercise. I have to move. We're so sedentary.
- [44:30]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [44:30]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, but I'm not. I'm not doing anything. Anything crazy with the lifting And I'm gonna try. As soon as it gets healed, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get into Jiu Jitsu asap because that's what's got to do it. I got. I need that community. And it's a different mindset. Totally different mindset.
- [44:42]
Sal DiStefano
I. You know, this has been two and a half. Almost three years since I moved last time. And so I'm in the middle of a move right now. We're finishing up. And granted, I didn't do all of it at all, but I did some of it. And I'm reminded, like when you do things that are like so out of, like, because we. When we lift. Even though I create, you know, some rotation exercises and I do some things I'm supposed to. But grabbing furniture and twisting in with rays and reaching.
- [45:09]
Adam Schaefer
It's not balanced like a bar.
- [45:11]
Unknown
It is.
- [45:11]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. It's so. It's still so different. Like the. I feel sore in a different way and just like reminded like, man, just how. How taxing that can be on my body and going like, God, dude, I just don't. I'm not the same as I was before. How easily stuff like that can affect.
- [45:26]
Adam Schaefer
Have you guys seen those videos? It's so funny you say that. There's these videos on social media where they had bodybuilders versus farmers.
- [45:34]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, God. I seen the. I seen the. Who is that viral guy? He's a viral guy. That's like his home.
- [45:40]
Adam Schaefer
Well, you're talking about. Are you talking about the dude that dresses like a custodian?
- [45:43]
Sal DiStefano
No, no, no, no. There's a guy's page. It's like dedicated to all these. I've just watched an interview they had.
- [45:49]
Adam Schaefer
There's some that were like construction workers versus bodybuilders. Another one that was.
- [45:53]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, I sent it to you guys.
- [45:54]
Adam Schaefer
And they were arm wrestling and there were some where they were like deadlifting and lifting things.
- [45:57]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [45:58]
Adam Schaefer
And the farmers construction was blowing these guys away.
- [46:00]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [46:01]
Adam Schaefer
They were just crazy work out.
- [46:02]
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah.
- [46:03]
Sal DiStefano
You know, I think some of them were still. They trained to. They. But they were mainly contractors. I think they still lifted too. I saw that video. I think I sent it to you guys.
- [46:12]
Adam Schaefer
I love that. I love.
- [46:13]
Sal DiStefano
But I mean, it's. There's something to be said about that, man. And to be doing it for years.
- [46:17]
Adam Schaefer
Where I have all the respect. I have family that does blue collar. I know what that does to you.
- [46:20]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [46:20]
Adam Schaefer
It makes you strong in a completely different real world way. So.
- [46:23]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [46:24]
Adam Schaefer
Anyway, I brought. So some interesting data came out on Snacking trends that I wanted to bring up, I think. Well, we've already, I've already speculated this, we've said this on the show that the GLP1, you know, the intervention of GLP1s is going to be culture shifting.
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Sal DiStefano
Well, they're, they're, they're meeting and they're like there's already snacks coming out to counter it.
- [46:47]
Unknown
Yeah. To lessen the effects of the GLP1 is like built baked into these snacks.
- [46:53]
Adam Schaefer
Listen to this, dude. They are seeing in 2024 the science wars. In 2024, Greek yogurt has gone up 12% in sales. Cottage cheese 11% which is. These are big numbers. Okay. Big percentage jumps. For people who understand the food industry, it's a big deal. Nutrition shakes have gone up 8%. Meat snacks 5%. Then you go to cookies down 1.2%. Potato chips down 1.2%. Pretzels down. Crackers down. Non chocolate candy down. I mean it's awesome. Yeah, it's going way down.
- [47:27]
Unknown
In fact, you should be celebrating.
- [47:29]
Sal DiStefano
It's awesome. But they're freaking out.
- [47:30]
Unknown
Yeah, they're freaking out.
- [47:30]
Sal DiStefano
That's millions, billions of dollars.
- [47:32]
Adam Schaefer
For the first time since 2008, North American snack empire reported an annual sales decline. Revenue slipped from 24.7 billion to, to. Yeah. To. From 24 to 24.7 billion down from 24.9. But, but the crazy thing is that's been growing. It's been growing, growing, growing, growing forever. First time ever going down. Yeah, they're panicking.
- [47:58]
Unknown
Opposite.
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Adam Schaefer
They are completely freaking out now. This article stupid. Because they're like lower income people are lower income or trying to spend less or whatever. No, no. It's been going up for a long time. No, I think it has to do it. You know why, by the way? Because people are like. Well, how many people are actually using GLP ones? A significant percentage. But when you look at snack food consumption, there are heavy users and then there are the average person.
- [48:23]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [48:24]
Adam Schaefer
So like they've done this with fast food. When you look at fast food, you need them whales. There's a percentage just.
- [48:32]
Unknown
I mean that's money right there.
- [48:35]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [48:35]
Unknown
You don't want them whales to go away.
- [48:42]
Adam Schaefer
When you look at like fast food.
- [48:44]
Sal DiStefano
Companies, know this means whale in the money. The big screen spender. It's going to get received very different.
- [49:00]
Unknown
That's what I'm saying, guys.
- [49:04]
Adam Schaefer
But anyway, anyway, when you look at like the data on this, there are like a significant percentage of snack food sales go to a small.
- [49:13]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [49:13]
Adam Schaefer
A smaller percentage of people that are just what, are considered heavy users.
- [49:16]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [49:17]
Adam Schaefer
I'm not trying to make a joke like you. These are heavy consumers. And so those are the people most likely to be on a GLP1.
- [49:23]
Sal DiStefano
Yep.
- [49:23]
Adam Schaefer
And when they reduce their intake, it's a big deal. You see it.
- [49:26]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, you see it.
- [49:27]
Adam Schaefer
Because the average person will consume snacks.
- [49:29]
Sal DiStefano
I think, I think, I think we're all. I think it's a kind of a perfect storm for the, the snack food industry because I think when we were kids, we were pitched and sold and actually thought it was healthy. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like, literally, like when we were kids, our parents, like, this is a good idea. You know, cereal was marketed to us as like a healthy choice and it's.
- [49:48]
Adam Schaefer
Part healthy breakfast of our balance.
- [49:50]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. So I, I think, I think gone are those times. I mean, granted, there might be a small percentage of people that are still that gullible, but I think most people are pretty aware that, you know, Froot Loops is not a balanced breakfast. I think most people know that Chips Ahoy, just because it's fortified in vitamins is not ideal for your kids. Not the vitamins they need. Right. So I think, I think you, you, we get to the place where. And then of course, obesity is at all time high. So you have. And obesity and children, old times, highs. We get to that point and everyone's kind of waking up. Simultaneously. We have this intervention of GLP1 coming in and it's like. So, I mean, I predict, yep, rapid drop. Which is why I also think they're, they're panicking is like, because when you say, would you say 2 point or 24.7 to 2?
- [50:35]
Adam Schaefer
From 24.9 to 20.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, it's marginal. Right. But I mean, but it's a reversal. It's a reversal and it's all signs on where it's going. And I think that's going to accelerate the other way.
- [50:44]
Adam Schaefer
Agreed. 100%. And you're also seeing the obesity epidemic seems to be flattening out for the first time ever, which all predictions were like, oh, it's going to keep going until, you know, this number right here. But it's flattened out. So it's interesting. It's interesting. I, I mean, I, I find it comical that the two industries that people like to label as evil. Right. Like processed food industry, the pharmaceutical industry.
- [51:08]
Sal DiStefano
They'Re going against each other, fighting.
- [51:09]
Adam Schaefer
You know what I mean? Yeah, this is gonna be great.
- [51:11]
Sal DiStefano
Cannibalize.
- [51:12]
Unknown
It's a tug of war.
- [51:12]
Sal DiStefano
Cannibalize each other. Yeah, no, I love, I mean it's great. And then you see companies like our other partner on the rise and crushing it like Butcherbox where people are opting in for grass fed meat and delivered to your house Whole Foods and so yeah, what a great time to be a company like that. Like it's a scary time to be Chips Ahoy, but it's a great time to be, you know, a market. Butcherbox. A brand like that 20 years ago doesn't. Doesn't thrive.
- [51:38]
Adam Schaefer
No.
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Sal DiStefano
No way.
- [51:39]
Adam Schaefer
No.
- [51:40]
Sal DiStefano
So people aren't aware enough. People don't care enough. Does it make sense where it's they time that at a great time and I think it's only going to get better for them over the next decade.
- [51:50]
Adam Schaefer
Tell you guys right now like that's all. It's our sponsor, right. And you know, so I'm always talking about our partners to family members because obviously we like their products. And I've been telling people about Butcherbox for a while in my family and some people are like yeah, I'll try it. Other people like well wait, whatever, I don't care, no big deal. You know what's selling them like crazy. I'll have them come over. So I had a bunch of people come over our house and they brought their kids. All the kids were over. So I made their nuggets. I brought it up so many times. I made their chicken nuggets and I made a huge plate of them and everybody, all the adults were eating them and the adults were like what are these? Are these healthy, Sal? Like what are. I'm like, listen, they're pretty good. They're gluten free. So that's. So everybody got subscriptions for just the chicken nuggets. Aren't you guys doing cooking?
- [52:33]
Sal DiStefano
I mean we got When Brink and so we have our trainer ceus which by the way we didn't announce on the podcast there might be space available but it's, it's coming up.
- [52:44]
Adam Schaefer
So it's a free course.
- [52:45]
Sal DiStefano
It's the only time it'll be free. So Justin did this, he launched it with, with Kyle where we're going to. Just so the trainers that listen to this are aware we're going to start hosting because we got this all accredited through NSM hosting CEU classes. So all trainers need CEUs to renew their national certifications. We will start hosting those here for trainers. The first one to kick it off free. We wanted to do free.
- [53:07]
Adam Schaefer
So long as there's space. You go to m pump live.com. and you get to come to Mind Pump studio headquarters. We're going to teach some of it. We've got other people teaching.
- [53:15]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. We've got Brink who's coming down to teach. We have Jordan Sight coming down to teach Kyle Eli. Valuable information going to be incredibly valuable. You can see use if there's space available once it. Once it's filled up. It's filled up because it's free. So it's going to go fast. So. So probably the one and only time you hear it on the.
- [53:30]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's on the 26th.
- [53:31]
Sal DiStefano
On the 20th month. 26th of this month. Which is what, only a few days away, right?
- [53:35]
Justin Andrews
A few days away, yes.
- [53:36]
Sal DiStefano
But anyways, they're coming into town and.
- [53:39]
Adam Schaefer
If you're in the San Jose area. So you'll be dumb not to do this. It's free.
- [53:42]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [53:42]
Sal DiStefano
I invited. Say it and Brink over to the house and said, hey, Doug, why don't you and I instead of us going out, let's. Why don't we do a little. Little cook off. And so I'll bring my. What's the deal?
- [53:54]
Adam Schaefer
So you guys each make your own thing.
- [53:56]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Yeah.
- [53:57]
Adam Schaefer
And then it's just fun. We're going to vote.
- [53:59]
Sal DiStefano
No, we don't have to do it.
- [54:00]
Adam Schaefer
Well, we.
- [54:00]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, you guys can. I mean it's for bragging.
- [54:02]
Unknown
We'll reveal it on the pol.
- [54:04]
Adam Schaefer
What I want to do right now because I know it's all you guys are.
- [54:06]
Sal DiStefano
Ah.
- [54:07]
Adam Schaefer
It's fun or whatever. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna continue to push. Let's see who wins. Because you're both extremely competitive. Doug is low key. Extremely.
- [54:12]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [54:13]
Unknown
Because then we all benefit.
- [54:14]
Adam Schaefer
So we're gonna.
- [54:14]
Sal DiStefano
He's way more low key. I'm. I'm openly competitive.
- [54:17]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [54:19]
Sal DiStefano
Like this. Oh, what we're doing. Yeah. My wheels have been spinning.
- [54:24]
Adam Schaefer
He's good.
- [54:24]
Sal DiStefano
Like, he's getting special sizes shifted from Japan. Like, he's doing like. He's like, oh, what was it we were gonna do a thing like.
- [54:31]
Adam Schaefer
I forgot all about.
- [54:31]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Forgot all about it.
- [54:33]
Adam Schaefer
He comes into his house.
- [54:34]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Y.
- [54:35]
Justin Andrews
Trust me, my wheels are spinning. Do something a little unique.
- [54:38]
Sal DiStefano
Yes. Been marinating for a week already. Oh, this whole thing, you know, I'll.
- [54:43]
Adam Schaefer
Throw it on there.
- [54:44]
Sal DiStefano
See how we do. I totally know that's what he's. I told Katrina that last night. I'm like, don't watch. You see Doug herby say that. I guarantee he's going to bring.
- [54:51]
Adam Schaefer
Well, we'll announce.
- [54:52]
Sal DiStefano
I'm going to Keep it simple. My, my. I crushed butcher box ribs.
- [54:55]
Unknown
The ribs are.
- [54:56]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, I've done those enough times. I can't mess up some up his sleeve. I'm going for the. I'm going for the easy win.
- [55:01]
Adam Schaefer
And watch this. Let him watch this.
- [55:03]
Sal DiStefano
Sabotage.
- [55:03]
Adam Schaefer
You won't even tell us what you're going to do. Are you going to keep it? I would.
- [55:05]
Justin Andrews
I'll tell you what I'm thinking. Okay. It's chicken related.
- [55:12]
Adam Schaefer
But it's got a.
- [55:13]
Justin Andrews
Let's just say it has a Japanese meat.
- [55:15]
Sal DiStefano
I'll give you that.
- [55:16]
Justin Andrews
It has a Japanese twist to it.
- [55:18]
Unknown
It's Japanese edible.
- [55:22]
Justin Andrews
Ordinarily, I do the ribs because the ribs. Yeah, they're. They're a winner for sure.
- [55:25]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [55:26]
Justin Andrews
So it's going to be a tall order because I know Adam does a great job with ribs. So I have to come with my A game. I got to come up with something.
- [55:33]
Adam Schaefer
A little bit chicken related dish.
- [55:36]
Justin Andrews
Let's just say it's a bird. Okay, It's a bird. It doesn't really fly much.
- [55:41]
Sal DiStefano
Ostrich quail.
- [55:43]
Adam Schaefer
I can't wait. Dude, I know how ridiculous you guys are about grilling, so I can't wait.
- [55:47]
Sal DiStefano
I just figured we always do the going out to dinner stuff like that. And I'm like having everybody over the place. Doug and I cook.
- [55:53]
Adam Schaefer
You guys don't want me growing.
- [55:55]
Justin Andrews
I gotta say, though, I'm a little nervous because what I'm thinking of doing, I haven't really practiced or done.
- [56:00]
Sal DiStefano
See, that's where I didn't want to go there.
- [56:01]
Justin Andrews
So I'm gonna take her. I have to take a risk, though, because I'm going up against your ribs. Right. So I have to take a risk.
- [56:06]
Sal DiStefano
That's fair.
- [56:07]
Adam Schaefer
Are you guys bringing your smokers?
- [56:09]
Sal DiStefano
I'll have my smoker at my house for sure. I have a smoker at my grill.
- [56:12]
Justin Andrews
I'll probably bring my own grill.
- [56:13]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
- [56:18]
Sal DiStefano
I already called it. I told you. I guarantee he's already googling right now. You're getting. Getting all ready and stuff for it.
- [56:25]
Unknown
Sous chef with them.
- [56:26]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [56:26]
Adam Schaefer
Weird. I can't wait. I can't wait. We'll see who wins.
- [56:29]
Sal DiStefano
Yep.
- [56:29]
Adam Schaefer
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- [56:52]
Justin Andrews
Our first caller is Stephen from Illinois.
- [56:54]
Adam Schaefer
What's up?
- [56:55]
Unknown
Steven, what's happening, man?
- [56:57]
Stephen
Hey, how's it going?
- [56:58]
Adam Schaefer
Good, how are you?
- [56:59]
Stephen
Oh, if I was any better, I wouldn't be able to stand it.
- [57:02]
Adam Schaefer
Great.
- [57:03]
Sal DiStefano
What's going on, man?
- [57:03]
Adam Schaefer
How do we help you?
- [57:05]
Stephen
So I guess my question comes to. I've been overweight my entire life. Battled it, battled it, battled it. Yo yoed, yo yo, keto this, blah, blah, blah that. I found you guys through a co worker about a year ago and he pointed me in the right direction. Started off with Anabolic and Prime, worked fantastic. And during that time, I wasn't dieting correctly this and that. I lost about £50 in probably four or five months. And turns out it was just a bunch of muscle because I wasn't dieting correctly. I wasn't doing, I wasn't dialed in. So here in the past couple months, I ran through anabolic again, hitting my protein, hitting my calories, and I gained about 20 pounds back in the last couple months and I'm still fitting into the clothes I was. I, of course, I'm a college student, so I don't, I try not to track my calories that much because it just, it's a stress that I don't really need. But, you know, I hit my 200 grams of protein a day and it comes out to about 2,800 calories a day if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm satisfied. So I guess, I guess I just need help going from here, if that makes sense.
- [58:36]
Sal DiStefano
Just so you know, Stephen, I think you're doing really good, buddy. Yeah, I think that that's, that's a good place to be at calorie wise and grams of protein and strength training. Just what you have to mentally prepare yourself for is it's not going to give you the same £50 on the scale as the other way of dieting. And so I think, and I. That's what I'm hearing from you. It's probably more of that going on in your head is like, okay, I'm doing the right things now, but then I'm not seeing the scale move as much, but it's, it's happening. You're. What's happening is this beautiful exchange of a little bit of fat going down, a little bit of muscle being built, which doesn't result in the scale moving very much. But your body composition is probably changing really nice at a really good pace, and you're in a, in a very good, like, calorie. Like, what I'm always worried is, so I get on the call with Someone like this and they're like, oh, I'm only eating 1300 calories. And it's like, oh, shit, where do we go from there? But I think you're actually at a really good place to just kind of cruise like that. What, what might be of value is like being in a community, like in our forum. I'd love to put you in there with us so that.
- [59:43]
Stephen
Great.
- [59:43]
Sal DiStefano
So as you're going through this process and you have moments of doubt or not you're not sure about something, you can just message us on there and then we can take a look at what you're doing and keep encouraging you in that direction because where you're at sounds pretty damn good.
- [59:56]
Adam Schaefer
I. So are you still pursuing being a firefighter based off the question you wrote us a while ago?
- [60:03]
Stephen
Well, we moved back home so we're not necessarily in St. Louis anymore. So yes, I am, but I'm kind of just. I plan on being a volunteer somewhere and I just want to be able to serve my community wherever I end up.
- [60:20]
Adam Schaefer
Okay.
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Stephen
In that way.
- [60:22]
Adam Schaefer
Okay, good. And then, and then. Have you, you said you've been struggling with weight for a long time. What do you mean a long time? How long?
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Stephen
I can't remember the last time I was in an extra large shirt. Let's put it that way.
- [60:36]
Adam Schaefer
Okay. Okay. Is working with a coach something you'd be open to? Because someone like you, who's been work who's been struggling with this for a while, a coach is going to be able to walk you through the pitfalls that you're going to run into. So as you do this, what probably has happened in the past is you've done a few things right, you've seen some results, you hit a pitfall, backtrack, and it's this back and forth back.
- [61:02]
Sal DiStefano
Exactly.
- [61:03]
Adam Schaefer
And, and it's going to happen again without having someone there that can walk you through that, anticipate it before, anticipate it, that can tell you this is what's going to feel like, this is what's going to happen. And that's okay. Here's how we're going to work around that. That your, your best odds by far are going to be working with a coach on a semi regular basis once a week or something like that. And that doesn't it. And it doesn't mean. So here's the challenge. Sometimes people have with that, oh my God, if I screw up, I got to tell my coach. Yeah, but they're not the. You're not. It's not a Drill sergeant. They're just going to be able to coach you through this process. Yeah. And we're going to break this. We're going to break the chains of this challenge is what it'll do. But if you're open to that, at the very least, I can have a coach call you and get into more depth and talk about what that might look like for someone like you. The workout part. The workout part, I don't think is going to be hard if you follow our programs. That's the programming right there. The hard part's going to be, and it always is with everybody, is the relationship with nutrition. It's the relationship with food. That's the tough part. And that's why the coaching is so valuable.
- [62:13]
Sal DiStefano
That. And when the doubt. The doubt creeps in, it's inevitable. The doubt will creep in. Am I doing the right thing? Whatever. And then the biggest mistake people make is overcorrecting when they're actually doing pretty good.
- [62:25]
Adam Schaefer
And the shame that comes from, you know, a pitfall which is gonna happen. Okay. That's happens to everybody. But then there's shame that follows along with that, which only fuels maybe past behaviors. And so we got to do is got to break that. The chains of that so it doesn't have such a grip on you. And it's a bit of a process, but when you have someone there coaching you, it's so much more effective. So much more effective. For sure.
- [62:50]
Sal DiStefano
Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug put you in the private forum, for sure.
- [62:53]
Adam Schaefer
You could tag us in there anytime soon.
- [62:55]
Sal DiStefano
That's right. And then I'll also have Doug set up where one of our trainers can call you and get a little more in depth and then potentially help you that direction, too. But as far as what you're doing right now, the program, I'm cool with that. I love where you're. You're in. You're in a good place, and you don't need to, like, overthink the calorie counting thing. Just keep doing what you're doing, where you're tracking the protein, hip protein, whole natural foods.
- [63:14]
Adam Schaefer
That's like. It's going to take you a long way. Just that alone.
- [63:16]
Sal DiStefano
And that's. This is what your coach would say to you to start you off. Like, that's probably the advice you would get. And then. And stay the course, dude. You're doing good for sure. Yep.
- [63:25]
Stephen
I appreciate it. You guys are awesome.
- [63:27]
Adam Schaefer
Thanks for calling in, man.
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Sal DiStefano
Thanks, Stephen.
- [63:29]
Adam Schaefer
Thank you.
- [63:29]
Stephen
Thanks.
- [63:31]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, you know, I wanted to go the coach route because you know, we could give them all the. And this. For anybody listening, you could get all the right advice. It's typically not the problem. Typically isn't not having the right answers. It's how do I apply these? How do I overcome this challenge? I feel this way. I feel that way. I don't want to do this, I want to do that. And a good coach is a guide, and they're going to guide you through that process, and they're also going to teach you how to have grace for yourself when you screw up, because you will. You absolutely will.
- [64:04]
Unknown
You better have another set of eyes to really see those obstacles and challenges on the horizon before you even know they're there. So I think, you know, to have them point that out and to. To adjust, you know, based on program nutrition, like, it's just going to be game changer.
- [64:19]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Chris from New Hampshire.
- [64:22]
Adam Schaefer
What's up, Chris?
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Sal DiStefano
What up, Chris?
- [64:24]
Chris
What's up, fellas?
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Adam Schaefer
How you guys doing?
- [64:27]
Chris
Pretty good, man.
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Adam Schaefer
Hey.
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Chris
Well, first of all, I want to give thanks to you guys. It's weird seeing you guys from this angle. It's like I'm like on the. I'm like, watching the podcast right now. It's weird. But I appreciate you guys taking the question. I pretty much modeled my whole, like, fitness kind of, like, business off of you guys. I don't do a podcast or anything like that, but I actually own a personal training studio down in Massachusetts. And, dude, I mean, my question is really just how to balance my business life with my love life, man. And I'd love to just kind of like get your guys thoughts on, like, the grind while balancing, like, love life with your partner.
- [65:08]
Adam Schaefer
Wow.
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Sal DiStefano
Well, there's a lot there. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what Katrina and I do. So we have a rule that any time that she feels like, because I'm sure you're probably this person in the relationship that you're the one who is working the crazy hours, grinding, and focused on growing his business. And she's the one that probably is asking for more time or whatever. And so in our relationship, I, Katrina, has the ability, because she runs my calendar, to book us a day or two dates, whatever, getaway, and I have no real say in it. And she, because she sees my calendar, all my appointments, she'll do it. She thinks that we're not connecting or we haven't seen enough of each other the last month because my head's been down, she'll look in my calendar the next 30 days and find that day or three days and handle the kid being watched, handle wherever we need to be, put it in the calendar and I have to submit to it. I tell you, I just got back from Mexico. This was one of these examples. I looked at her and I said, we can't do this. We can't. We're just not right now. We're in the middle of a move right now. We got all this. We're bringing on a new marketing company at the business. Like, I'm all over the board. We just can't go right now. She was like, yeah, you know, you know the rules. We're booked, we're good to go, we'll figure it out. And so we've just. And every time I go and it takes me about 24 hours before I can completely disconnect. But then once I do, I tend to look over and go, I'm glad we did that. I'm glad, I'm glad we do. So we just kind of have that rule in our relationship and I empower her to be able to, to do that. And in. When I push back and say no, that she, it is allowed to do that. And I know that it's for the better of our relationship. So that's one. The other thing that has been incredible in our relationship for staying connected is we save time in the night or during the week for an audiobook together to listen to. And what I have found in that is it's been incredibly connecting for us. It's not just what we're reading. In fact, fact, many times it doesn't even matter what we're listening to. It's the fact that the two of us are sitting in silence listening to something that is obviously growth related because we're learning something and so we're growing together. And even if it's only 20 minutes, it's very powerful and leads to many intimate nights and us being incredibly bonnet and some great conversations. A lot of times we'll listen to something and we'll only listen for 20 minutes because something is said that we want to discuss, then it gets paused and then we had this great dialogue. And so we just commit to a book a month we're going to knock out. And you know, so we do the math on how many. You know, it's like an hour to two a week total. So we can break that up in 20 minute increments. And if we get behind four days in a row, we're busy or maybe we're watching our favorite show. Well, that means on Thursday, we're going to listen for an hour, but we commit to that, to each other. And between that, the trips and then, you know, the date nights every now and then. I mean, I think it keeps us incredibly connected, yet able to grind, like we both love to do.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. I have a few questions, Chris, before I could maybe add to anything to that. It says in your question that you just start open the studio about a few months ago. So it's a new business in November. Okay. And you used to live really close to home and have more time, and now you have way less time because it's a new business.
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Unknown
Mm.
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Adam Schaefer
And it's your girlfriend, right? Not your wife. Correct. How long have you guys been together?
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Chris
Six years, bro.
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Adam Schaefer
Six. How old?
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Unknown
Are you okay?
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah.
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Chris
I'm 28.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay. Are you gonna marry her?
- [68:54]
Chris
Yes. Guy.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah.
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Chris
I believe I've been hounded by her family now for quite some time.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Yeah. But have you actually proposed and set the date?
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Sal DiStefano
No.
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Adam Schaefer
Okay. She's not. She's gonna lose patience with you until you do that. Because here's the deal. Because I'm also reading your question that she does everything at home. She waits for you. And you're. Because here's the problem. Here's the deal. You just started this studio three months ago, and you're gonna have to grind for a while. That there's just nothing. There's. There's nothing I can tell you that's gonna have you work 40 hours a week and succeed in a brand in a studio that you just opened three months ago. You're gonna have to grind for a while, which means she's gonna have to be patient, which means she needs to see that there's a plan here. And if the plan is, hey, honey, hang out with me, just stick around, that's not going to work. But if it's like, I want to marry you, propose, here's the date. And then she's like, okay, I see. I see the goal here. And then you say, honey, I need a year. I need a year of sacrifice from you because I just opened the studio because it's going to take you a while to make this thing really work. I know what it takes to own a studio. I think I'm a pretty good. I had a pretty successful one, and it took me a year to really make that thing happen. You just opened it three months ago. You're not going to work 40 hours a week, have all kinds of quality time with your girlfriend. Now. It's not going to happen, you're going to lose your studio. If you're okay with that, that's okay. So this is much more complex than, you know, finding the quality time type of deal. Adam gave great advice. So the little time that you do have, I would make it quality. But you've been with her for six years. You live together. You just. You just went from working so many hours to working tons of hours, and you're asking her to be patient with you. She needs to see the end goal. And when she does, then you can paint the picture and tell her, yeah, here's the deal.
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Unknown
Whatever that is, you got to forecast that vision for her. So you guys have an actual plan that she knows that this is the plan, and I'm on board with this plan. We're both working together towards this. So it's a team effort. Right. So it's not just like, I'm doing this thing. It's going to benefit us, you know, down the road. But you're just going to have to sit over here and, like, you know, wait, but, you know, just to have that to share, that is the. The vision that you guys are creating together. You creating this together.
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Adam Schaefer
You would be surprised at just how supportive your partner could be if they see the plan and you give them a date like, hey, look, it's going to take a year. It's going to be year. A year of hard grinding. But here's why I'm doing it, and here's what's going to happen at the end of it. Yeah, but. And we need. This is going to set us up, and here's why. And here's what I'm going to do versus, hey, I got this business, and we'll try and make it work and just kind of hang out. That's how. That's how relationships fall apart.
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Sal DiStefano
Chris, have you. Yeah. Have you guys listened to the Adam Lane Smith interviews that we did?
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Chris
No.
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Sal DiStefano
Oh, bro, good call. Oh, yeah. Especially with this conversation right now and understanding what she needs and what you need. It's one you guys should listen to together if she'll listen to it with you. But for sure, go back and listen to the two interviews that we did with Adam Lane Smith. Incredible value for where you're at in your relationship right now is one of the only episodes I've ever sat down with Katrina and actually listened to it together because it was so powerful for us. And she'll tell you that was very impactful for her understanding from the male perspective and gave me more insight to hers. And so you definitely listen to those.
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Adam Schaefer
And look, I'll just, I'll add something to this. Like imagine your girlfriend saying to you tomorrow morning when you come into work, to work for 13 hours, because it looks like you're working 13 hours a day, which is, by the way, anybody watching you open a brand new business, especially brick and mortar, you can expect to live there for a little while. Imagine if she looked at you and she said, you know what, honey? You go kick ass for us. You go kick ass for us. You work your ass off. I'm going to be over here holding it down for you. And when you get home tonight, tired and exhausted, I'm gonna have some food ready for you. And you're gonna do it again tomorrow because we got a year of this together. Imagine if she said that to you, how much more likely you were to crush at what you were doing.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, dude, that.
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Chris
That's the thing too, Sal. Like, that's the type of girl that she is, man. Like, I don't like, I didn't ask her to like clean the house, you know, make me stuff when I'm coming up, when I'm coming home from work, anything like that. She just took it upon herself to do that because we do have those conversations, man. But like, I want her to know that like, I'm there for the long run. And honestly too did like, I didn't even think about like the question of marriage right now because like, it's just like, you know how it is. I'm so locked in, dude. And it's just like this all I can think about. And it is like, bro, it's. It's just all I think about did the business wise and then, I don't know, man, the relationship stuff just takes second.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. Unfortunately, you know, if she's that kind of woman, I'm going to tell you right now, you're not going to find that kind of woman very often. That's. That is okay.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
So. So think very carefully and think about this. Seriously. You might. You got to show her the plan, make it happen. And then she's going to sit. She's going to sit by you. So. Because here's what's going to happen. With no plan, it's going to wear on her, dude, and I would expect it to. So, yeah, give her the a year. It's going to be a year, honey. A year of grinding. But here's what's going to happen at the end of the year, we're going to do this, that and the other. And you Got me, you know, type of deal. Very different.
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Sal DiStefano
Katrina. Katrina waited 10 years, bro. But she did because I, I did that. I did a real good job of letting her know that we were going to do this, then this is going to happen, and then I want to be here financially. And then, then we get married, then we have kids. That was like. It was communicated really early on. And now, don't get me wrong, you know, years, six, seven, we're starting to get. She was starting to get impatient, but she knew from day one, this is where I needed to be. I want to be here before I settle down, get married and have a kid. There's a place I need to be for me personally in order to do that. If you're down to ride with me and build that with me, let's do it. If you got to leave because you don't want to stick around that long, I understand. So that was communicated really early on. And so, you know, she did. She waited a long time before she officially got that ring. And it was because we talked about it. We talked about it, and it wasn't unexpected. It wasn't like she was looking at me, year seven, going like, what's going on? I don't understand why we're not. No, she knew why. She knew there was a place that we needed to be and she was down to help me get there.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah, yeah.
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Chris
But communication is so key, man.
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Sal DiStefano
I love that, bro.
- [75:05]
Adam Schaefer
But you know, trying to get work, life balance when, when you're three months into a brand new business, it's just.
- [75:11]
Unknown
It's not gonna happen.
- [75:12]
Adam Schaefer
It's not gonna happen. Dude.
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Sal DiStefano
The hacks I gave you, though, are gold. Trust me. You, you, you implement. And that doesn't take a lot of time to do that. 15, 20 minutes a night listening to an audiobook, giving her. Because it sounds like she is helping you. Like, Katrina helped me. Katrina ran our household. She ran our calendar. And so I gave her, I gave her that ability. Hey, you. You tell us, you. When you. You're running this relationship, you're the one who's head of this. I'm gonna go get, make the money, be the business guy. You run our household. You keep, you keep me in line, what we need to do. And you can tell me, hey, Friday, you're not doing anything. We're going here. We're doing that. And that worked really well for us, dude.
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Chris
After, I mean, you guys all did this after working like 12, 13 hours, man. How do you, like, disconnect?
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, it takes, it takes a minute, man.
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Adam Schaefer
Tough.
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Sal DiStefano
That's one of the hardest. So Jordan Peterson talks about, he did this on Joe Rogan. This is work, where he and I actually put this into practice. After you do this enough, you get better at it. But I'd pull in my driveway and shut the car off, and I wouldn't just walk in the house. I'd actually stop and literally, like, have this conversation with myself of like, okay, even though I got all this stuff going on with work, I haven't completed that one thing. It's like, I gotta. It's. I gotta pause it right here. I come in after I've kind of had that moment of, like, sitting in the driveway for a couple minutes, like, decompressing, saying, okay, I'm switching now to, you know, husband and. And father. And then I walk in, kiss my wife, kiss my son, go straight upstairs, and I put sweats on. Just like. It's like, it's. I'm changing. I'm changing from your uniform fitness. Yeah. And it's. And my uniform at home, as dad and his husband is my sweats and my T shirt. And so it's like clockwork. I walk in, make sure I. And I had to train myself to do this because I'm not very good at the. The making sure I kiss her and do those things, like, on a regular basis. So I had to train myself to do that. So that's what that conversation. The driveway is. Come in. Forget about the that. You were just putting a fire out five minutes ago on the phone. Go kiss your wife. Go say hi to your son. Go upstairs, put your sweats and T shirt on and your dad now. And so it just. I. I had. I had to put those practice in to get better at that. Otherwise, if you let me, I'll think about work all day, all night, till I fall asleep and have a hard time even doing that, and then back at it again. And like, it's a. It's a. It's a superpower. It's also what is our greatest weakness. And so understanding that it's your greatest strength when you need it, but then also could be your greatest weakness when you. When you care about other things in your life. So I had to put those practices into place, and now it's second nature to me. But it took. It took a few years of really putting those. Those things into practice.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Chris
What do you think that, Justin? Huh?
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Unknown
I mean, this is. This is all great advice. I. I had to do the same thing for me. And even sometimes I'd have to add an Hour after I was done working. And that was just to complete all those thoughts and to, to figure out the appointments, to figure out like my game plan for the next day. Like everything I possibly needed to squeeze out in terms of, like, what I needed to do with the business. I wanted to get that done before. Now I step into the house and that's. That is such a discipline that takes a lot of practice, man. And especially because you're in, you're in the heat of it right now. You're literally building something from scratch. And so it's taking everything from you right now. So my thought is, after I shut that off, like, what. What's my wife's needs? You know, what do I need to come in? What kind of energy do I need for them? What do I need to immediately do? Sometimes I just walk straight to the sink because I know there's gonna be dishes there. There's no. I know there's gonna be something and I just get to busy. Like I just start doing things. And, and that's just because it's, it just shows that like now I'm concerned about her, I'm concerned about my family. And, you know, and I was terrible at that at the very beginning. So this was, this was lessons that slapped me in the face multiple times, realized my deficits. But, you know, if you're already thinking about this ahead of time and you could start implementing these practices, bro, you're going to, you're going to do great.
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Sal DiStefano
Have you heard that conversation that Jordan Peterson had with Joe Rogan that I'm talking about? No, I have no idea. Oh, bro, you have to Google. It's one of the most powerful things that he has said that has impacted my life. Like he, what he explains is he's talking about how we go on a week vacation, right? So you, let's say maybe you guys have one this year and in summer or Thanksgiving time or whatever, it's a week vacation. You'll spend the whole fucking year planning where you're going, the flights, the hotel. Like, you'll spend weeks planning this one week and all this energy effort. Yet when you do the math over your lifetime, how many weeks of vacations you'll actually take, and the amount of time you spend in that compared to the first 15 minutes that you see your wife every day you're talking about. Yet how often do you prepare for that? How often do you get your mind ready for that, yet you're going to do an infinite amount more of that than you ever will on vacation. Yet we put all this energy and effort into planning the most awesome vacation, and yet you don't put any effort into the 15 minutes that you see your wife every single day. And that hit me like a ton of bricks, dude. Like, that was, like, all I needed to hear to go, oh, my God. I just. I need to. I need to treat it that way. I need to care about it, because I'm going to spend most of my life greeting her or saying goodbye to her, and yet I dismiss that as of anything of importance in comparison to, you know, my trip to Cabo for a week. You know, I'm saying that we planned all year long. And he said, and that was such a powerful moment for me to go, you know what? I need to put it into practice to at least be mindful of that first 10 minutes. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
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Chris
You know, reminds me of. Reminds me of that story that Sal told a little bit ago when.
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Adam Schaefer
When he.
- [80:48]
Chris
When he backs out of his driveway, his kids wave at him and he goes, I gotta be gracious for this, man. Yeah, they're not gonna be there waving at me.
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Sal DiStefano
That's right.
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Adam Schaefer
100.
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Sal DiStefano
That's right. So, yeah, those are. Listen to Adam Lane Smith. Find that Joe Rogan clip. I think that's powerful. And then. And then when you.
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Adam Schaefer
When you met your walks, when you met your girlfriend, what were you doing for work?
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Chris
Oh, we were in college, man. So I was distributing beer as a. Like a salesman kind of.
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Adam Schaefer
And she's been with you this whole time? From beer distributor to now business owner, bro. And she sounds like she's ride or die.
- [81:19]
Chris
All right, dude, she is. She's the best. I hope she listens to this episode. She's not much of a mind pump gal, unfortunately, but she loves the rogue. I got to put her on a mind pump, dude.
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Unknown
Chris, we'll win her over.
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Adam Schaefer
Make. Make married, Chris. Make. Make that do it. Tell her. Tell her. And then. And then give her the dream and set the schedule and the goal so she could see the game plan. And then it'll give you another gear. It's going to give you another gear is what's going to do.
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Sal DiStefano
At least tell her the plan, bro.
- [81:43]
Unknown
She'll invite us to win.
- [81:45]
Sal DiStefano
At least tell her the plan.
- [81:46]
Chris
Yeah, let me. Hey, can I give one shout out real quick? Yeah, shout out to Justin's Cavs.
- [81:53]
Adam Schaefer
Those are crazy.
- [81:54]
Sal DiStefano
You guys are always talking about his caps. He does zero work for him, bro. I've done zero el natural right there.
- [82:04]
Adam Schaefer
He jumped once.
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Sal DiStefano
All right, Chris. Hey, keep us posted. I Want to hear. I want to hear how it goes for you, man.
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Adam Schaefer
Appreciate it, dude.
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Chris
I'll see you guys.
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Sal DiStefano
All right.
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Unknown
Good luck, brother.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. You know, the concept of work life balance is beautiful and amazing, but you could throw it out the window when you first start a business. There is no. When you first start a business, you have to dedicate a lot of time to just the way it is.
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Sal DiStefano
It's a bit of a myth. I mean, you're not no great athlete, no great musician. Nobody great at anything has balance.
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Adam Schaefer
You build a business that allows you.
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Sal DiStefano
To have work life. You work your way.
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Adam Schaefer
There's but those initial stages. He just. I read his question, like three months in work life balance. What are you talking about?
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Sal DiStefano
I do think. I do think there are small hacks, though, that you can do. Absolutely that. I mean, you stopping in your driveway for five minutes before you walk in. Your wife is a very right to be set. You allowing her to book a day away is not crazy. Like you listening to an audiobook.
- [83:06]
Unknown
My wife and questions before I said anything about my day.
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Sal DiStefano
Right.
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Unknown
And that's. Stuff like that.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, those are. Those are. And that. That can apply no matter what phase you are in your life of. Of being grinding. And so, yeah. Good luck, man.
- [83:18]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is James from Alaska.
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Adam Schaefer
What's up, James, man? How can we help you?
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Unknown
Hey, guys.
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Sal DiStefano
How you doing? Good, man.
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James
So I was on a couple years ago, I don't know if you guys remember, we talked, I asked you guys about programming for Wildland firefighters, and so I figured I'd give you kind of an intro, what I've been up to since then, and then go into my question. I'll read from it. It's kind of long, so I'll read from it. So just so I make sure I don't forget anything. So since then, I think that was back in 2023, and I've been listening to you guys for a few years, probably since 2020, so about five years. And since then I've been a nutrition coach full time. And I also moved back up to Alaska, so I was kind of bouncing between Arizona and Alaska. So I'm back up in Alaska right now. I got married, and now we have 34 dogs. I'm a musher up here and musher up here. And so that's kind of what I've been up to for the last couple years. And I graduate this semester with my degree in dietetics. So right now I'm working with Wildland firefighters and military personnel and backcountry Athletes and people like, kind of like similar to me. So my question isn't so much about fitness. It's more so about, like having passion for what you guys do. So over the years, I've had a couple different careers. I was an infantryman in the Marine Corps. I was a wildland firefighter. After that, I worked in security for a bit too. Now I'm a dog mushroom in Alaska and also my nutrition business. My long term goal is to be an astronaut, but I think I might love where I'm at right now too, as a mushroom nutrition coach. And I'm only 27, so obviously I don't have to have everything, you know, figured out right now. Like, I got plenty of time. But. But we do want kids soon, so I just wanted to show, like, I want to be able to show my kids that, like, what it's like to love what you do. So like I said, my question for you guys isn't so much about fitness. I'm finding right now that I might not love every moment of my life, but overall I really enjoy what I do and I think I love what I do. So I.
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Sal DiStefano
My.
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James
That was kind of my question for you guys. How did you determine that fitness is what you love to do and what you wanted to do for the rest of your lives? How much of it did you actually love and how much of it did you not enjoy?
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Adam Schaefer
That's a great question. How do you. How do you what? How do you. What kind of a business is a musher? Are you delivering products and stuff to different people or people hiring you just to have the experience? What is that?
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James
It's more so that, like the tours and stuff. So when we. That's how we make our money. So people come up and they do tours with us. So we take them out with the dogs on like a tour and tell them all about it and stuff like that. When we're in Fairbanks, we do it here at a couple different places. And then in the summertime, my wife and I go down to Juneau. And then we, which we're leaving in a couple of weeks here we fly all our dogs up onto a glacier and then people fly under the glacier and we take them around on a tour there.
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Adam Schaefer
That's awesome. Okay, so for me, it was really easy because I loved it. I loved it. Now what I loved the most was the people. And I think this is the most important thing for coaches and trainers to understand. Like, loving fitness is important, but loving people is even more important because you can like fitness, but you're dealing with different personalities on a regular basis and if you don't truly just enjoy people and different people and different opinions and different types of energy and you don't go home with the energy, you know, on top of you. I mean because you're going to deal with people who are anxious and sad and happy and they do what you want, they don't do what you want, they're going to complain to you. And you know, I, I went home every day feeling fulfilled just because I like being around people and I like working with people. So that, that is one of the most important things I try to communicate with coaches and trainers like fitness is a, is a no brainer. I think everybody wants to be a coach and a trainer knows that they like fitness but really it's about enjoying working with people is the most important thing.
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Sal DiStefano
I think we get this all wrong. I think what we were the same way that I think Disney fooled a whole generation of people of thinking what love is in a relationship is the same thing that we were doing in the last decade or two of fooling all these kids into thinking that they're going to find a job they're so passionate about. And just like the Disney thing like love is a choice, bro, you choose to love your wife. It's and you've made that choice actively. Now you've probably done a good job of filtering out ones that aren't good and found someone that matches that. But every day of your life with her going forward, you will make the choice to, to love her and, and put that effort forth. Now hopefully you did a good job of picking someone that aligns with you and grows with you and all these other things. And so that'll make that journey very enjoyable. But it doesn't mean it's going to be not have hard days, not days where you wish you didn't get married. And some of that that's going to happen same thing goes work is I think you choose to love it now hopefully you've got enough practice and tried different things to hone in on the stuff that, that gives you enjoyment while you do it. And so then you can therefore then be passionate for this thing you do but you choose that. You choose to be that way. I was a cow milker and love doing it. I realized I didn't want to do that for the rest of my life but while I was doing it I was passionate about it. I wanted to be the best one. I wanted to produce the best milk when the guy came and picked it up and graded it. I wanted to get it done faster than any of my peers that were doing it. And when I'd get there, I'd find ways to love what I was doing. But over the years, I realized, wow, there's not a big career in this. I'm probably not going to make a lot of money. Those are things that are important to me. Let's keep moving on. And I just kept moving on until I started to hone in. And the personal training thing, I really loved. And I realized, well, I can make the kind of money I was wanting to make doing something that came natural to me, talking to people and being around them. But it doesn't mean I hadn't had many, many days where I'm just like, this is a grind. I don't want to do this or see this person. Like, there's a lot of that. But I chose to love that path. I chose to love that career and pour myself into it. So I do think this. I think there's a lot of messaging around millennials, around, you know, you know, searching for this job that's just gonna, like, it's going to jump out, you know, on a. On a. On a white horse and be like, this is it, bro. And you're like. And so you have these. This generation of young guys and girls that are waiting for that. And it's like, man, no, you choose. You choose to do that and hope you. I hope you choose wisely that the thing that you do, you seem to enjoy it. And to me, that's a great sign. It's like, this is awesome. You found something that it makes money for you, and you actually love getting up to do it. Lean into that. But doesn't mean there's not going to be days where you're like, ah, man, I don't want to do this today. Like, that's going to happen.
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Unknown
Very well said. I. I totally was going to go in that same direction, but it's really just. It's a compilation of, I tried this. I'm maxing this out. I'm putting my best foot forward every single day, and I'm seeing, you know, where I can grow, and every opportunity I've had, it's like, where can I grow? How can I stretch this out and maximize my potential? Whatever this is in front of me? And what's great about that is then something else just presents itself naturally to you. And in either. It's. It's. You just keep flourishing, and you keep going in that direction that you found yourself in. Or now it's a new opportunity that now you. You decide, like, am I going to pursue this now? Have I capped out my potential in this job and now I'm gonna try a new career and. And figure this out? And for me, it was just that now I'm. I'm doing personal training, and now if I do this in this setting, how can I maximize my potential for growth here? And then, you know, and then that just naturally kind of progressed to a different opportunity. And, and, and what's weird about it is, like, all these other passions that you have and you're probably thinking about right now, and you know that. That it. When you do that, they. They somehow find their way back to you.
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Sal DiStefano
That's right.
- [90:56]
Unknown
And it's like, weird. It's like, oh, wow, now I can do this within the setting of the job that I'm doing. And I never thought I'd be doing this in combination with. With this opportunity. So I. I do think that it's. It's very much of a mindset. Morning.
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Adam Schaefer
Yeah. You know, it's. It's a rewarding. It is a rewarding career because you are actually helping people. You know, some jobs, you're doing something, and at the end of the day, you're like, am I really helping anybody? Am I really making a difference? But I think with coaching and training, you are, because you're helping people become more healthy, which is gonna draw. Which is, for me, was very rewarding. It was always very rewarding knowing that I was doing something good or something that I felt was, you're helping people too.
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Unknown
It's awesome.
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James
Yeah. Yeah, that makes total sense. And there's a couple things you said that I. I definitely made me think a little bit. But the helping people, I think as a. As a Marine, like, I started out at 18, like, kind of on a high note, where it's like, you. You have this, like, purpose and stuff, and you really know what it is, and you drive into that, and it makes a lot of sense. And then you leave that, and then it's like, oh, there's no way. Like, that was the high point. And so you spent a lot of time, like, exploring other things to try and find that. And then I finally, you know, I say finally. Like, it was, like, super long. You know, I like, some point 27. So it wasn't a really long time, but I finally found this thing that I really enjoy, and it kind of gives me that same, you know, sense of, you know, like, you talked about purpose and stuff, and it's funny, Justin, you mentioned, like, things just kind of falling in place when I asked this. I don't know, I think it was a month or two ago. It might have been a couple months ago when I emailed in. I was really trying to figure out because I wasn't like, enjoying what I was doing as a musher, but I was trying to figure out, like, am I. Am I just not enjoying right now or is it like, do I love 75% and like, not enjoy 25% of it? Which I've come to figure out that that seems to be obviously, like, pretty normal. Like, if you love what you do, maybe you just love 75, 80 of it. And there is going to be 20, of course, enjoy. And then you said something about, like, you said that things kind of just present themselves. Yesterday someone emailed me about. I said, I kind of want to be an astronaut and I have this degree in nutrition and NASA works with Cornell researching sled dogs to work with astronauts and nutrition.
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Unknown
There you go, bro.
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James
Emailed me the other day, oh, my God, it's so cool that fuel that feeds astronauts and stuff. And we're talking after this. But I thought it was pretty interesting that you, you brought that up. So it's kind of this opportunity. But I have one more kind of, how would you communicate this to your kids? So, like, how would you tell your kids, like, you know, this is. You're not always going to love it. Like your kids right now at the ages they are, like, you're not always.
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Sal DiStefano
Going to love it.
- [93:30]
James
You're not going to love every part of it, but this is how you know what you love to do. Like, how would you communicate that?
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Sal DiStefano
I want my son to be great and passionate about anything that he does. And the thing that he's meant to do to Justin's point will reveal itself. So if you commit son to do this, I want you to be the best at it and work at it as hard as you, possibly not the best person, the best version of you. So I want you to give everything you got towards that thing. And this is how your dad has been rewarded in his career path is when I was a cow milker, I wanted to be the best one I could possibly be at 16 years old. Guess what happened is I met a guy who saw that trade in me, asked me what I saw myself doing down the road. I said, you know, I want to get into personal training one day. Allowed me to train his son before I was even certified. That then allowed me to get a membership at a 24 hour fitness that then found out that I was. It's like being passionate and working hard towards whatever thing you're currently doing will open the doors for something that maybe you will do for the rest of your life. But you don't approach today knowing that you approach today saying, am I giving my best? Am I doing the best at this thing that I'm doing? Even if I don't think it's going to be the thing I'm going to do for rest of my life because it's representing my character. Others are going to watch the way I work, others are going to watch the way I approach life. And I want to present myself in this way that is like you're getting all of me. And I think that that way of approaching life and other aspects, not just business, will always reward you.
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Adam Schaefer
I think if you, if you love the process, you love hard work, you love the discipline, you love that you can apply yourself, you love that you're doing things that you feel there's value in, or at least you find value in the things that you do, you're going to do well no matter what. I mean, Adam said character. A good character is good character. Doesn't matter if you're flipping burgers, you're, or you're, you know, building computers or whatever. It's kind of, it's really about that. And then the job you do is going to do, you're going to do well at it because you got good character. That's the most important thing. They find this in the data, by the way, that when, when children have good character, it really doesn't matter what they do. They, they'll do okay.
- [95:39]
Sal DiStefano
How you do anything is how you do everything. So I love that quote. That's so true. You, if you half ass making your bed, you're probably going to half ass the job you do. If you have asked the job you're going to do, you're probably going to half ass your marriage.
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Adam Schaefer
You got a whole asset that's right.
- [95:50]
Sal DiStefano
You got to do all day, all of it. And so then that's how I would teach my son is like, we don't half ass anything. Like, you do whatever you do, you do the best to your ability. It doesn't matter if that's makes you great at it or not. It's like that's how you approach life. Otherwise that's how it's going to bleed into every other aspect of your life. So how you do anything is how you do everything.
- [96:09]
James
No, I appreciate that and I I did also want to say that the reason I asked this, because when I had first started listening, I. I didn't want to be a dad. Like, I had no desire to be a dad. But over the years, listening to you guys talk about being dads and raising your kids and stuff, like, now, I'm really excited to be a dad. And I've thought more and more about that over the recent years, and, like, I want to make sure that, you know, I'm at least living the way that I want my kid to. To live and see up to. So I appreciate you guys always talking about that, even if I don't. I don't think anyone really ever tells you that, but it's super impactful, and it usually has nothing to do with fitness, but just the way you guys talk about being dads and how exciting it is to be dads, like, now I'm. I'm really excited about it. We're trying to do it right, which is one of the reasons that we decided to stay up here. And we just moved into a house, and we're like. We think raising kids in Alaska with the. The life that we do is really beneficial to them, but everything that I've been doing has kind of been geared toward, like, making sure that I raise a kid the right way. So I appreciate.
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Sal DiStefano
That's awesome, James.
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Adam Schaefer
That's awesome.
- [97:04]
Sal DiStefano
Hey, and just. Just so you know, you. Even if you. You'll never find the perfect or the best words to give them for this type of stuff, we're talking about the most powerful thing you could do is to model it, is to do it. He'll. He'll see or she will see the way you live your life, the way you approach everything that you do. And if he sees that in his dad, that. Oh, my dad, when he does it, he does it, you know, like, that'll bleed into them more than the best lecture with the best words said a certain way. So lean into that more than anything else.
- [97:36]
James
Awesome. Well, thank you, guys. I appreciate it. You guys have a good one.
- [97:38]
Sal DiStefano
All right, Jason.
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Adam Schaefer
Got it. Well, that's nice. Well, it's good. It's good to hear because there's a. For a long time, there was a generation of people that didn't want kids.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
Like, it was this terrible thing, and it's just horrible. It's horrible that people believe that. It's hard, but it's not terrible. It's amazing.
- [97:59]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Adam Schaefer
So it's really, really good to hear that. By the way, he wrote in his question that his wife and him, like they're not just mushers, they're badasses. They do the iterad.
- [98:07]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, wow, that's cool.
- [98:08]
Adam Schaefer
Yeah, dude. And how crazy is that? He got contacted by.
- [98:11]
Sal DiStefano
I know, nasty.
- [98:12]
Adam Schaefer
Like how many people do nutrition who also are good enough mushrooms.
- [98:17]
Unknown
I firmly believe the skills you acquire and what you work on, like later on, it's, it's going to matter in some weird way.
- [98:25]
Sal DiStefano
What you said is so great. That's exactly how you go about this is like you, you choose to be passionate about the thing you do. So be passionate about it and be great and don't worry, the thing will find you. It does every step. Everything I've done is came to me. But it came to me because the way I approached the thing that I was doing.
- [98:42]
Adam Schaefer
Because you were just sitting.
- [98:43]
Sal DiStefano
That's right. It didn't come, I didn't get and I could go through every single job or thing I did. It was an opportunity that came to me. But it came to me because the way I was doing the thing, the way I was doing the current thing that I probably hated or didn't like doing that much, maybe 80% of it, I didn't like, but yet I didn't approach it that way. I approached it passionately and wanted to be great at it. And then that attracted, and then to Justin's point, those skill. When I look back now, today, all those skills, doing all those different things has now served me in this thing. 100%.
- [99:13]
Adam Schaefer
Yep, yep. Cow milking too. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is @mindpumpjustin. I'm @mindpump distefano. Adam's @mindpump app.
- [99:22]
Justin Andrews
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- [100:29]
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