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6 Things Every Dad Should Do The fatherless effect. (1:10) Dad’s impact on the health of the family. (3:39) 6 Things Every New Dad Should Do #1 - Be strong and fit. (5:44) #2 - Be hard-working. (13:41) #3 - Learn how to defend your...
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Sal Destefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal Destefano
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Adam Schafer
And Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast in the entire world. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode, we're talking to new dads. Six things you should be doing now. This episode is brought to you by a sponsor from our place. This is cookware that has no forever chemicals that lasts a long time. This is super high quality stuff that will not be toxic to your family. A lot of this stuff that we use, that's nonstick and all this cutlery or whatever, it's got chemicals on it that absorb into your body and act like hormones. No joke, look them up. Xenoestrogens. Anyway, from our place is free of all that stuff. Go check them out. Go to fromourplace.com, use the code mindpump. Get 10% off sitewide. We also have a sale this month, Maps 15 Performance and the RGB bundle. Brand new sale, 50% off. If you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code MAY50 for the discount. All right, back to the show. All right, let's talk about what dads should do. Today's episode 6 Things Every dad should focus on to improve his odds of being a great dad. Let's go.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. So dad commandments.
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Adam Schafer
Now, the things that we picked here that we're talking about are things that the data shows contributes to positive outlook, right? More positive with your family, with your children. We're obviously talking about dads here. Things that have a big impact. And you know, dads are very important and the data on that is very clear. Children who don't have fathers, much higher rate of things like suicide, drug abuse, depression, anxiety. Dads are very important. So we have a big role to play in our kids lives and there are things that we can focus on that will improve the odds that we'll do a pretty good job.
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Unknown Speaker
What's the prevailing theory on why that's correlated to dads more so than moms? What is it about fathers that tends to cause that or not cause that?
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Adam Schafer
That's hard because. So what you're referring to is the data that shows like kids growing up with mom and dad versus kids growing up with just dad versus kids growing up with just mom. And so what you're referring to I think is the data that shows that kids growing up with mom and dad is best Second best would be just dad, third would be just mom.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Adam Schafer
The problem with that data is that you probably have a special group of dads if they're a single dad, because usually if anybody leaves the family, it's the guy.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So when you find a single dad, you probably have a self selection bias, a unique scenario. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Know if more so that that tells more of the story than it does like, oh, dads are better at this. It's more like that's a very small percentage. Which means you have a pretty special dad who actually stuck around by himself.
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Adam Schafer
That's right. Yeah. Because if, you know, I don't know about you guys, but if I think all the single parents I know are moms.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Like I don't know very. I don't know any actually.
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Unknown Speaker
And I, and I do think moms are generally better at it.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
You know what I'm saying? They're just, they're better multitaskers. They operate from a place of empathy and caring. And I think the, the kids without a missing. Any parent is probably better off with mom. That. But the data seems skewed because it's.
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Adam Schafer
It'S hard to say because again, we don't know. It's hard to say because. But, but we do know that if a child is going to be raised by one parent, the high odds are it's the mom that, that sticks around, not the dad. Nonetheless, the data that we have on, you know, dads in, you know, relationships with muscle, mom, dad and raising the kids, they have a profound impact on their children. They also have a profound impact. So here's what the data also shows. Dad's impact is profound on the children and on the mom. So what they find is that when dads are healthy and do some of the stuff that we talk about, there are certain responsibilities that tend to fall on the father, which we'll get into. But a good father tends to improve the health of the entire family, more so than almost anybody else in the family.
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Unknown Speaker
I find that counter. Like, I would think that mom makes the bigger influence. I was, I would guess that most moms tend to prepare dinner. I mean, I know there are some dads, I know there's some households where the dad cooks more, but that's rare. Right. It's more often that the mom does and her being in control of the grocery list and what's being cooked I would think would make the greatest impact. But you're saying that if. So we are more. Are more relationships fit if the, if the husband is fit versus the wife.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Really?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Interesting.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. And I, and, and that's, again, that's hard to parse out that kind of data. But what we do know for sure is that, you know, men played a very important role in the health of their children and there are certain things that dads do very well generally. Again, I'm going to say this before we continue. This is general, so we're going to talk about general data because I know there's someone listening right now that's like, well, actually, I'm different.
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Justin Andrews
Unique cases.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, I know you don't understand data.
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Justin Andrews
Come up with a bunch.
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Unknown Speaker
There's always an exception to the rule. Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Like if I say the average height of a man in America is five, you know, five foot ten, there's going to be some idiot that's. Well, I'm six foot, so it's wrong. Like, no, that's, that's not how average. That's how averages work. Right. So, yes, there's, there's, there's differences. But generally speaking, there are certain things that dads tend to, to do very well and that are that, you know, things that they have an important or big impact on. And so let's talk about one of the first things that I think is important, and I think this is true for both moms and dads, but we're going to talk about dads here. I think it's very important for a new dad to be strong and fit. I think it's very important. Now, this doesn't mean to be shredded. This doesn't mean that you need to be a bodybuilder or crazy athlete, but the data on good health is clear. If you have good health and you're strong, which means you don't have a lot of pain, you're going to have more energy, you're going to be less depressed, less anxious. You're going to also play more with your kids. Here's one of the things that dads do very well. What the data shows, play. That's one of the things that we contribute quite heavily to a child's development. We had Dr. Warren Farrell on the show a long time ago explaining this data. Like roughhouse, roughhousing. In particular, physical play is very important for children developmentally. It teaches kids boundaries, it teaches daughters safe touch. They develop kinesthetic awareness. They get their energy out of Internet. Yes.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. And it's, it is one of those things you notice if you're and out of shape dad. It really, really just inhibits A lot of, like, opportunities to bond and to do things with your kids. If you're sitting there. Ah, well, you know, we'll, we'll get to that later. Or like, you kind of put it off because you're so tired. And to, to be active and to be energetic and, you know, show up at your house with that kind of energy is huge.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, I can only imagine. I mean, I consider myself a fit, active dad, and I still have those moments. So I can only imagine if you're somebody who's carrying an extra 40 pounds overweight, high stress job, you have no cardiovascular endurance, you have no real strength, your diet's terrible. I could only imagine because there are, there's. There, there's been many moments in the six years that I've had Max, where I know the right thing for me to do in that moment. Coming home from work after a long day and I have to, I have to talk myself into that. Like, not at a lack of I don't want to play with my son or I don't love him. Just I'm tired and that. And, and single Adam, before he had a kid, would plop down on the couch and put his feet up and be like, I've heard me, yeah. And just relax and do nothing. And you know, that that's not ideal for my son who hasn't seen me all day long. And I just get home and so I've got to like, okay, like, I gotta muster it up. And I can only imagine carrying all that extra weight, carrying all that extra stress, poor diet, that would just exacerbate that to the next level.
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Adam Schafer
Totally. I just, in fact, I looked this up. One of the number one motivators for dads, new dads, to want to lose weight and get in shape is so that they can play with their kids.
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Unknown Speaker
Is that true?
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Adam Schafer
That's cool. And really, yes.
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Justin Andrews
I'm glad they're thinking, like.
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Adam Schafer
And I've heard it. I've heard it so many times, guys. I've heard it. You know, I know you guys have too, right? You get the guy who's like, hey, I want to get in shape. Why? What's going on? I got little kids and I want to go play with them. I want to go play, you know, throw the baseball around or. We were at the park and I was getting gassed out. Like, you know, when you have kids, especially when they're young, you know, between the ages of like four and, you know, 13, they like to play, they like to run, they like to play on the you know, at the playground they like to throw the ball or. And you want to be able to keep up with them. Like you want to have the energy to do that. And being out of shape and unhealthy, you know, that's a crappy feeling to be a dad where your kid wants to play and you know the reason why you can't is because you're not in shape.
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Justin Andrews
Just take care of yourself.
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Adam Schafer
That's it.
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Unknown Speaker
I, I think it's important to point out too kind of what the definition of strong and fit means to you in this context. Because I think Instagram has kind of changed what what we. Because I know there's also a dad who's listening right now is like, well, you guys might just sit on a podcast for four hours a day and that's all you do. And you got all this time to work out. But I, you know, I grind for 10, 12 hours, I do this and I don't have the time to try and compete and look like that. And who cares anyway? Like there's a different, there's a different level or a different like look. I think of the almost like the more like the dad bod where it's just like, you don't need to be single digit body fat. You don't need to be deadlifting £500 off the floor. It's like being strong. You need, you know what you do, you need to be able to open the pickle jar. Like that's what you need to be today.
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Adam Schafer
That's your run after your kid.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You've been, you'll be able to get up and off the floor with your kid. You need to be able to be able to play with whatever sport that they're doing and have enough energy and stamina to do that.
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Justin Andrews
The huge thing at Costco Box.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, like it's the, I think there's a, like I said, a misconception of like what the fit, like the fit dad has been marketed as like this, like, you know, impossible.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Jacked looking cover of a magazine guy. And it's like. No, no, no, no, no. When we talk about this, it's like you need to strength train enough to where you're capable and you need to do enough cardiovascular stuff that you can actually. Or you're capable not. You have to look a certain way.
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Adam Schafer
No, I'm so glad you said that. You know, you know, it's funny, even for athletic performance, the ideal body fat tends to be around 15%. You don't have a six pack of 15%. You, you, you don't, you just, you know, you kind of, you know, you have a tighter midsection, but you don't have a big belly. But you also don't have a shredded 6 reserve energy. No, it's like 15, 16, 17% body. Maybe that's like. And by the way, to maintain that is not hard. You got to relatively eat healthy. I say relatively because it means you have pizza on the weekend, you enjoy yourself a little bit, you're not working out all the time. You're just doing enough workout to maintain your strength. By the way, you know, for just so people understand how little is required. If you're a man listening to this and you don't strength train, you don't do any strength training. And you start strength training one or two days a week, by the end of the year, you'll be twice as strong, twice as strong as you are now. So if you go to the gym right now and you don't ever work out and you go test yourself on a bench press or a deadlift or a squat, and then you start strength training properly one or two days a week consistently, that's it. Literally, by the end of the year, you can bet that you will double your strength. Whatever you did at the beginning, you'll be able to do at least double, probably even more. So what a great investment. One or two days a week in the gym and you've doubled your strength. And that's more than enough strength to play with your kids.
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Unknown Speaker
And not a crazy commitment.
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Adam Schafer
Not a crazy, Not a crazy commitment. No, no. It's one to two days a week at most. And then for cardiovascular fitness, I mean, this is, this. Literally walking every day will give you enough of that. If you want more to be able to sprint and run after your kids, you just play with them. Just play with them on a regular basis to do it. Or get on a piece of cardio and do you know, some like 12 minutes of on, off, high intensity cardio? Couple days a week, you're done. When it comes to diet, this is how easy it is, dads. It's as easy as just not eating a lot of processed foods. Just start there. You want level 2. Eat your body weight, your ideal body weight in grams of protein. Guess what? You're done. What we just said with the be strong and fit, you've got it covered. If you just do those, those things right there. The problem is what's happened today, because this was never, this wasn't an issue. You know, decades ago, most dads were strong and fit and could play with their kids. And that's just because they exercised every day because of their jobs. Their jobs are physical. These days the average job is so sedentary that, you know, when you look at the average like strength or grip strength test of a man in his 20s or 30s, right around the age of the people that we're talking about, they have the grip strength of a 70 year old, you know, 40 years ago. And it's because they don't strengthen their bodies. Everything they do is on a computer. And so they just don't have that. So it's literally, listen, one, two days a week, strength training, about 45 minutes each time and you know, a couple days a week of 12 minutes of that hit kind of cardio or playing often with your kids. Don't eat heavily processed foods. And then if you want to take the next level, eat a high protein diet, you're good, you're going to feel amazing. All right, next up and again, this is all based on data. Okay. The data shows that even today, even today, modern times, close to 70%. When you look at a family, close to 70% of families, the father is the main breadwinner or the breadwinner.
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Unknown Speaker
How much has that shifted?
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Adam Schafer
Quite a bit. It used to be as close to 90%. So it's gone down quite a bit. But still a majority, still a majority of families, it's the father that is the main, you know, earner of the, of the home. So what does that mean? Well, if you're dad, you got to be responsible and you got to work hard. So that means you're consistent and you take it seriously. I think of all the points we're going to go through, this is probably the one I need to convince dads the least of.
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Unknown Speaker
I was just going to say this is something that I've watched men, family, friends in my life that were childless who I've, I remember questioning like, man, is he going to be the guy who, you know, lives with his parents all the way till then, or is he going to be the guy who just like never really gets like a serious job? He never. And then they have a kid and it's like, and, and you know this if you're listening and you've had a kid. Because I remember when this switch hit for me and I remember you guys telling me it too, because I remember telling you guys, like, ah, man, we're in the middle of building this thing and I kept telling you guys, like, I'm, I'm so Busy in the amount of time I spent on the this and that. And you're like, you will feel. You'll. You'll go to another level that you don't even think is possible. And it was so true. You find the time and you find the energy. You. You level up another level. And it's organically. It's not like I had to have a talk with myself like, oh, I got a kid now. I got to step it up. It was just like. It's interesting how it's like, almost innate. Yeah, it's innate in us. I think. I really do. I really do think of all the.
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Adam Schafer
Things that society can driver, you know, because. Because you also have, like, the society of the world communicating to us what is important. And there's a lot of things that I think have gotten messed up. But society still tells men you probably should work hard and make money if you're a father and a husband.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, I don't.
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Adam Schafer
So I think that that message is still secure.
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Unknown Speaker
I. I think so too. I mean, it's still this. It's the same. It's just. It looks different, right? Almost like how some of the messaging and business, everything is just. It's just changed mediums. The different medium today is a very successful, you know, father, you know, thousands of years ago was. He was a good hunter, right? He was able to go. And to me, like, money has just replaced that. Of course, it's the same concept of, like, your ability to provide for your family is the same that it was for them a thousand years ago. The different medium or the different way of doing that was. I was good at whether that. Whether I had to hunt for long hours because I wasn't very talented at it, or I was talented because I practiced it and I got good at it. At the end of the day, the same concept is. Is still there and applies.
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Adam Schafer
You know, it's interesting on this data too, when they talk about, like, who earns the most, what category of people earn the most? And they'll say, well, men earn this much more or whatever. Single men actually earn less than single women do. It's not until they get married and have kids where men start to earn far more. And I think it's that sense of responsibility. I think they're like, okay, I need to make this happen. So I don't think I need to hammer this one like the other ones, but. But I will balance that, balance this by saying, hard working doesn't just mean lots of hours. It also means you got to work kind of Smart. Because now you have the responsibility of your family.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, I also think that hard working is encapsulated in what we just said on the last point, which is that you have a long day and then you still have this ability to like make time for your kids to like that, like that.
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Justin Andrews
That's a, that's just leave it at work.
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Unknown Speaker
That's right. It's like I worked hard at work, but then the work isn't done there. So part of my work still, as dad, is to still to be there, be present, be active with my kid and physically. And so I think that's part of that definition is not just the hours you put it inside the, you know, labor, but also when you get home that, that work that it takes to do that.
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Adam Schafer
Yes. Next up. And I again, I looked at data here. You probably want to learn how to defend yourself and your family. Now why am I saying this? Well, the odds that you're going to have to defend your family are low. But the odds that if something happens, you're the one that's going to have to defend your family are very high. So when you look at the statistics last year, for example, nobody's coming to save you. Yeah. It was like 1.2 million times last year were firearms used in self defense. And out of that 1.2 million times, majority of were men. Now there definitely were women that had to use them. Thank God that they were able to. But if, when you're in your home with your family, if there's something that happens, you know, everyone's looking to dad to be the person to defend them.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So I think this is an important skill and it's a responsibility just to be equipped.
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Justin Andrews
You know, obviously you're not out there looking for a needle trouble, but like to make, to give you peace of mind, the fact that you have some skill, you have some, you know, utility there to be able to defend yourself in whatever fashion you can, that's, that is a priority.
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Unknown Speaker
It's so interesting to me because I never cared to have a gun. I shot guns plenty of times, young man and stuff like that, but I never cared to own one. I wasn't that into having guns. And then I had a family and then we traveled all the time and I just kept thinking like, man, what, what would my wife do with my son by herself when I'm gone? If there was an intruder that came in and never had I thought about it before that that was the, that was the main motivator for me was to get that to Train her so she knew how to use it. So I knew how to use it in case that situation. And I remember laying in bed after having Max and going, what would I do right now if someone broke in my house with, with a weapon or with someone like that? Like, I'm like, I'm going through my head, like, what do I even have near me that like, has a chance at anything? Like, I, you know, I better be tough as nails and hope to God they don't have a weapon. Because I'm telling you, I don't even have anything. That was before, right. Had anything to protect myself. And so again, I think it's one of those things that just when you have us, when you have a kid, you tend to start to think about those scenarios and like, you know, I better damn well be able to be great with my hands and defend myself or be able to defend myself with arms.
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Adam Schafer
I think that's another one too, is like, learn how to defend yourself and your family. Learn some self defense, more self martial art, boxing. You're probably never going to have to use it, but if you do have to use it, you'll be happy that you learned how to use them. Like, you know, for me, for the firearm thing, you know, when I thought about getting a firearm was after seeing a natural disaster. I think it was Hurricane Katrina, which is a long time ago. But I remember there was the entire neighborhoods that the authorities couldn't get in. And you hear these reports of terrible crime and stuff. And we live in, you know, California with earthquakes. I'm like, what if there was a major earthquake? Yeah, we lost power.
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Unknown Speaker
Was that the catalyst for you? That's interesting.
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Adam Schafer
That was. Yeah, because I didn't think, okay, intruder. What are the odds someone's gonna break in? Usually if they do, you're not home. Me just trying to, you know, be logical. Like, but what if there was a huge. We lived through an 89. I was a kid with the 89 earthquake. But imagine if there was a big earthquake. You lose power for five days. You know, they can't, they can't help everybody. That's when I was like, this might be something wise. You. Yeah, this.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. For me it was like before the whole 2020 thing. And it was, it was because there was this weird, like radical group. I don't even remember who they identified, but they came down from like Berkeley area and had their whole van filled with pipe bombs and they went through our small town.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, I remember.
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Justin Andrews
And they got like, you know, held up. And then they were like running through everybody's backyard houses.
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Adam Schafer
What?
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Justin Andrews
And like trying to hide. And I don't remember that.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, I remember he would take. He told us on the show.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah. And so I was like, dude, that's it. I'm going get shotgun. We'll blow his face off. Try to get my ass. Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Recognize dark quick.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. But. But again, in scenarios in the. The tiny. Again, this is the data. I'm going off the data here. When you look at the. The. The. The odds that you're going to need to defend yourself are small. But if this ever happens, why play those odds? It's you. If you're the dad, your wife and your kids are looking at you, and you're the one that's going to be responsible for this. Just the way it is. Yeah. Next up. This is a very important one. Learn how to understand your wife.
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Unknown Speaker
This might be the most important.
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Adam Schafer
This is the most.
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Justin Andrews
Let's be the hardest one.
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Unknown Speaker
Let's be honest. This might be the most important one.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. I so this.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay. Because odds, statistically speaking, everything else you talked about, every day you're gonna deal with this 99% every day you're gonna be dealing with this. If you don't know how to do it.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. No. And this is important because what's happened, especially recently, is I think we're. We're been kind of sold that we're the same. Men and women are the same, so we should communicate with each other the same.
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Justin Andrews
Not true.
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Adam Schafer
It's not true at all. It is not true at all. Men and women are generally. Of course there's gonna be someone like, I'm much more like it. Fine. That's different. But generally speaking, we're not men and women desire and need different things. Women need to feel safe. Now that doesn't just mean physically safe. Every time a man hears this, they're like, whoa, I'm. You know, I'll keep her safe. No, no. She needs to feel safe to fall apart. She needs to feel safe to emotionally to tell you whatever she needs to feel safe to be. Especially had your baby exhausted to break down to whatever that you're going to remain solid. You ask any woman or if they want emotional safety, and they'll say absolutely. Men don't typically think about this. This is important for a man too. This isn't the top five for me. Top five for me is other things or for men or other things. So they need to feel safe. They need to feel understood. This is very classic, right, where wife goes to the husband, talks about her problem. And what does a husband do? How does he screw that up? Trace it. Yeah. Oh, why don't you. Have you tried just doing this? She's like, I don't need your solution. I just want you to hear me talk. It's like, you know, it's like, number one mistake. That.
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Unknown Speaker
That's the. I always think of the classic scene from White Men Can't Jump. Oh, the water, you know? You know, I bet Dylan hasn't seen that. He's too young. So, of course, the editing team, when they edit this, they have to go back and they have to find that scene where. There, she throws the water in his face. He's like, honey, I'm thirsty. And he gets up and gets her a glass of water, and he comes back and he had to do it.
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Adam Schafer
She threw roasted.
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Unknown Speaker
I didn't want the water. I just want you to understand, to feel. To talk to me about what it feels like to be thirsty and understand where I'm coming from.
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Adam Schafer
He's like, losing his life. It's hilarious. It's such a good.
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Unknown Speaker
That's such a good scene. The other one is, I think Love Languages is such a good read. I remember when I first read that book, and it really. I had read it before Katrina and I. And I remember being in the relationship with her early on and realizing how, you know, if you. We tend to all do this, we tend to love others, so. And this is both guys and girls, you love your partner the way you want to be loved.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
And. And so what make. Why that's so difficult is from your perspective, you feel like you're putting a lot of work into the relationship. And what's unfortunate is because you're not loving them the way they want to be loved.
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Adam Schafer
They don't feel it.
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Unknown Speaker
They don't feel it. And so then it gets received as if you don't do it, which is a massive disconnect for so many relationships. That sucks when you're like, I am. I do this and I do that, and I do all these things, and yet you don't think I do anything. And it's like, well, that's because you continue to love them the way you want to be loved and not trying to figure out how they want to be loved and loving them that way. And so that's such a great book, such an unlock when you figure that out. And it's a hard thing to break because it's natural to do the things that you would like. I mean, even to this day, when a holiday or birthday or anything where I'm going to do something or get something for Katrina. There's always a natural gravitation to the things that I like. Even though I try and wrap it up as like, oh, she'll like this. She'll love this thing. And then when I really sit down and go, like, yeah, but would she rather me probably do this? I always gotta ask that because naturally I'll go to the thing that I and I. And I do. I wrap it in. Oh, she's gonna love this. She's gonna like these shoes. But it's like, oh, no. My wife would rather me sit down and write a card, then go spend $1,000 on a pair of high heels. And I think because I'm buying these really nice things for her, she's going to love it. That's so important.
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Justin Andrews
It reminds me to. And I know you've brought this up a few times, but like, I've. I've tried this out myself with my wife quite a few times too, to like, set the expectation for the day, like John Deloney was saying and kind of pointed that out. That totally resonated with me as well. It was like, wow. We just think of, like, how we're going to approach something completely differently and to understand your partner and like, what their idea of how all that is going to occur and like, peer into her world more so than just like going off of assumptions. Is such a huge hack.
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Adam Schafer
Was a big. A big one for me was learning. And this is. This is again, human nature. This is male and female nature, is that women typically want to feel loved. Men want to feel respected. And this is. They're very different from each other. So, you know, you could like a woman listening right now. Like, you could tell your husband, I love you, I love you so much. And he likes it and it's great. But tell him something like, I really respect you, or I admire you, or you go out and you. You earn for whatever. You go kick ass. I really respect it. And watch what happens to his demeanor and his face. And then in the flip, women need to feel or they want to feel love, two different things. And when you understand that, you can communicate much better. There's interesting polls on this, by the way, where they did this one. This is a famous study they've repeated many times. Well, they'll ask men and the last women the same question. What is more of a deal breaker if your partner sleeps with someone else or if they fall in love with someone else?
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Unknown Speaker
For the girls, it's the Falling in love for the guys that sleep sleeping. Yes.
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Adam Schafer
And it's a big difference between the two. So I think it's very important for a father, for a husband, learn to understand your wife and pursue understanding her, because that'll. Because here's. Here's a. Here's a big mistake that I think new. New couples make, or couples make in general. I know I made this mistake for years and years and years. You get in an argument, and it's like your goal is to win the argument. No, it's not. No, your goal is not to win the argument. Your goal is to, at the end of it, come together and repair. Because it doesn't matter if you win when you're sleeping on the couch and you guys hate each other. Yeah, I won the argument. Now we hate each other.
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Justin Andrews
Desired.
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Adam Schafer
Okay, Good job. You got to live with this one for the rest of your life, hopefully.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Shout out to Adam Lane Smith. For sure. I know that, you know, you talked about the respect versus love conversation. We had such a good interview with him, and we talked about. If you've never listened to that, you have to go back and listen to that episode. That was a big. Maybe Katrina. I've been together for a long time. And that was a major turning point.
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Adam Schafer
By the way, along those lines. And he pointed this out, I think it was on our podcast, too, was how a lot of therapy, modern therapy, is geared towards women and kind of what they need. Right. So, like, women, generally speaking, if they're depressed or anxious, you want to understand what's going on, help them process it.
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Unknown Speaker
Type of deal men need to go build or fix.
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Adam Schafer
What they found with men who are depressed and anxious is they just need a purpose.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. If you give them a project, Give me a project to go overcome and figure out.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So it's like, I'm really depressed. I'm really sad. Rather than me, like, trying to figure you out, like, let's. Let's find a way to give you some a sense of purpose and meaning, and it tends to get. Solve it for us, whereas for women, it's not. It's not the same thing. So we're definitely not the same. So, again, the message here for men is, is really pursue understanding your wife and understand that she's not you, she's different than you. Makes a big difference. All right, next up. This one's going to be controversial, but the data on this is ridiculous. And that is, as a dad, it's probably important, based off the data, to pursue faith. To pursue faith. Now, where Am I getting. What data am I talking about? Well, they've done recent studies, so I think most people are familiar now with the data showing that kids, this is the one group, the one category of people that historically have not suffered from anxiety and depression. It was typically as you got into middle age that you start to see this for the first time ever. Kids are some of the most depressed, anxious as a group. We've never seen this before. They're just, they're not doing well. Kids aren't doing well right now in comparison to previous generations. And in these studies, they're trying to figure out why, what's the cause, how do we protect it? So some of them are pointing to, well, more exercise and activity, less social media, like all this is kind of correlated. But there are several studies that have shown now that there's one thing that has a profoundly protective effect on children in today's day that protects them against this rising depression, anxiety. And that is children who have a regular faith that they practice. Kids growing up in homes that go to church regularly and practice the faith seem to be unscathed.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you.
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Adam Schafer
They seem to be untouched.
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Unknown Speaker
Is the theory on that that it's. They're able to offload the pressure and anxiety and str. Like, you know, if you think it's you, if it's just you and you don't believe in something greater than you, then when goes wrong and stuff is rough, it's like it's all on you. Versus if I believe that everything happens for a reason and there's something beyond me, then I have this ability to go like, okay, there's obviously a reason for all this that I can't see. That's beyond me. I'm not going to, I'm not going to. I'm not going to beat myself. Is it, Is it, Is that why. Because it can offload what. I mean, what is.
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Adam Schafer
They think. They think so because it's true for adults as well. I mean, I have, I have a bunch of studies here that show that, like, you know, of all the studies that are done, a majority of them show that being religious. And when they say religious people who attend some kind of a religious service once a week or more, it's associated with less suicidal ideation, fewer suicide attempts, fewer completed suicides. Majority of them show lower depression, faster recovery from depression. Majority of them show positive association with a sense of social support, a sense of purpose and meaning. So of the studies, the vast majority show that. So that's what you're talking about. Optimism, hope, well, being, purpose, meaning community. Yes.
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Justin Andrews
Everything wrapped in there.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So now if you're religious yourself, you could be saying it's the spiritual component, that there's a supernatural component. But the data is clear. In today's world, there's a lot of things you could do to help your children not be a part of this crazy statistic of depression and anxiety. But the one thing the data shows is the most effective is pursuing a faith. Now why am I putting this on the dad? Well, here's where the data gets really crazy. Here's where it gets wild. If a father. Well, I'll back up. If a mother is the first person to become. This is data in America, so it's based on the Christian faith. If a mother is the first person to become Christian in the home, there's a 17% chance the rest of the family will follow. Do you guys know what the date is for if it's the first person's the dad?
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Unknown Speaker
Probably a lot more.
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Adam Schafer
93%.
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Unknown Speaker
93. Almost like a guarantee.
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Adam Schafer
3%, 17% if the mom follows the faith. 93% if it's the father. If the father follows, there's a 72% chance that their children will continue afterwards on their own. So. So in other words, based on the data. Okay, so now I, I'm, you know, I have a faith, so I'm going to take myself out of this. I'm just looking at the data. This is secular data. Based on the data. If you believe the data, which is overwhelmingly showing that this is good for your kids and your family, and the data shows clearly that the person has the greatest impact is you, then this is you as a responsibility. So if this is something that you're like, okay, I'm open to this. The data shows this may be one of the most important things you do for the well being of your children is to pursue a faith.
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Unknown Speaker
Wow. So that's a huge difference. That's interesting.
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Adam Schafer
Isn't that crazy? You know what's crazy about the data, Adam? The craziest thing about that, I can't think of anything that I have that much more of an impact on my kids than my wife. Yeah, like my wife has a tremendous impact and influence over my kids because she's, she raises them, she's with them more. And the majority, when you look at who spends most time with the kids, it's typically mom. I can't think of anything where she would do 70 versus my 93.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying.
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Adam Schafer
I could see others trying to rack.
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Unknown Speaker
My brain right now of the, the different things that we have both parents. Influence on the kids.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Like, I could see how dad might have like a little more than mom and some things and mom a little more. But that's like she has almost.
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Unknown Speaker
No, it makes me want to look into things like, like sports. Right. If that dad played a sport, how likely is the. If mom played the sport, how likely? It'd be interesting to see what the influence is different on that.
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Adam Schafer
But I, I would bet money it would not. I, I would guess if I had to guess that dad has a little bit more influence if he's the one that plays more physically with them. I mean, but I don't think it'd be 17 to 90.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, off air. When we were talking about this, when you originally brought this stat to me, my theory on this was that most kids that have a father in their life, dad is like superhuman. He's the strongest. He's. You're. Especially when they're little, your scope is only this big. So like my still right now, my son's at that age where I'm probably the strongest person he thinks alive.
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Adam Schafer
Still. Ask if he could be bears.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I just, I, I have, I have these capabilities that he's. And I love that. And of course one day that will go. But because. Right. You and you think that that's imprinted for years, not for like a moment in time. Like years and years and years. They have that perception.
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Adam Schafer
I remember, I remember the first time I beat my dad physically. We were wrestling. I beat him. It like crushed me.
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Unknown Speaker
Right. You know, because if you see your dad as this superhuman in p. In. I can't say that word.
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Adam Schafer
Impenetrable.
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Unknown Speaker
Impenetrable. Thank you. And this like, can do anything, overcome everything. So strong. Probably doesn't cry often, doesn't break down, doesn't like, can handle all this stuff. All of a sudden, kind of submit to something. Right? Yeah. Close his eyes, bow his head, kneel, you know. Yeah. Have reverence towards something that has to stop a kid in his tracks a bit and go, yeah. What. What has got my dad. What is my dad afraid of? Or what am I. What is my dad like? Think above him and you go, oh, there's something that is greater than my. I think that has something to do with it. That has to be a strong part of it.
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Adam Schafer
That's what Arthur Brooks said. And I, I, in that talk that we, that we took and, or we attended. And I think that's a great secular explanation. I agree with it. And Then the religious or spiritual argument is if you look at the, like, if you look at like, for example, in the Christian faith, the leadership, the spiritual leadership falls on the husband. It literally says it's your job to lead your family spiritually. So whichever way you look at it, and again, the data shows it. So for anybody who's like rolling their eyes, look, data doesn't lie. And I think it's fascinating. I think this data is very fascinating. And when I was looking up things that protect your children from the modern issues that we're seeing, and I was looking at what's the biggest impact that a dad has over stuff, I couldn't find anything like this. I sell nothing where dad is 93% and everybody else is like 10%. You know, it's pretty wild, pretty crazy. All right. Lastly, this is a big one. The odds that a family will fall into poverty when dad dies or is gone are astronomical. This is not the same when mom leaves. And again, this is because 70% of the breadwinner tends to be dad. So if you're a new dad, very important, you get life insurance and you get a trust. Very important to do this. This is a big deal because if some. And the cool thing is if you're a young dad, and I remember Doug sold life insurance when I first started training him. And I remember he talked to me about this. When you're a young dad, like term life insurance is like cheap, right?
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Justin Andrews
Cheap.
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Sal Destefano
Super cheap.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, super. You could get like a half a million or a million dollar life insurance, which is usually enough for most parent, you know, moms to be okay for a certain period of time. Super inexpensive if you're in your, you know, especially if you're in your 20s or early 30s. It's not a big deal.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
What do they typically look like, Doug, on a. For, for like term monthly?
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Sal Destefano
Boy, I don't know exactly, but it's going to be probably under $50 a month. I'm not sure if you're half a million in your 12, your 20s.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Sal Destefano
Maybe even less. I don't even know.
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Adam Schafer
But that's not bad at all.
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Unknown Speaker
No.
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Sal Destefano
Yeah, I mean, it's a small price to pay, number one, to protect your family. Because if something were to happen to you with small children, that's devastating. But, you know, it's a very small amount of money to actually create an estate for yourself when you're young and just getting started.
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Adam Schafer
That's true.
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Unknown Speaker
This was such a, A big deal for me. I mean, she would have kept me from not Getting married, not having a kid for a very long time. It's funny this, you guys know that we had the, the big birthday party this weekend. This was one of the conversations I was having with some of these older guys that are friends of my mother in law and they like, oh man, mind pump up must be really blowing up this last year or whatever. And because they see some of my buying habits and behaviors in the last last year or two, I said no, it's been doing pretty well for a long time. It's just I had to check a lot of boxes for myself before I would go and do stuff like that for me. Like once, once I knew that I had put my family in a position that if something tragically happened that they would be okay financially, then I had permission, I felt like to go and splurge or buy crazy ridiculous things that were, you know, didn't matter. Like that I had to get there first. And I had a. And I didn't realize how much of this kind of undercurrent of, I hate to say anxiety because I don't think I lost sleep over it. But that pressure for me of like as a, as, as the dad or, but even before I was a dad, the future dad or husband, like man, I, I want to not only be able to provide in real time for my family, but I also want to be able to set myself up or them up. That if something ever were to tragically happen to me or I were to get injured and I couldn't do my job anymore, that all of a sudden that pressure doesn't fall on my wife to have to try and figure it out, that she could be like, okay, this is tragic what happened to me, but at least we're going to be okay like that. So that was a, a really big deal and I think not talked enough, especially today. I think that we over glorify a lot of the materialistic things and we tend to be in a hurry to get there.
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Adam Schafer
I also think it's like, especially when you're a new dad and you're, you're young, right? So you're in your late 20s, early 30s. You're not thinking like I'm gonna, something will happen to me.
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Unknown Speaker
No.
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Adam Schafer
You know, I'm gonna be totally fine.
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Justin Andrews
Of trying to just stack chips.
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Adam Schafer
No. And you know what? The odds are you're probably going to be okay, but if you're not, it is not good because you're a new, You're a new dad, you got maybe two kids, one kid, your wife is you're the breadwinner. Like, yeah, see, look at that. $35 to $40 a month for a 25 year old male. Half a million dollars. Yeah, that's average. So. And you get a million dollars for.
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Sal Destefano
That's a 30 year term policy.
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Adam Schafer
That means that you, for 30 years. If you die within 30 years, that's what your family gets. Like if something happens to you. Like I, I know somebody like this. They were a young guy and tragically, you know, it was just crazy, randomly just passed away and they had to do a GoFundMe because mom was stay at home, they had two kids, one.
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Justin Andrews
On the way, worst case scenario.
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Adam Schafer
And it's like the instant poverty. You just, your family went instant poverty over, you know, something that you could have spent, you know, that says 35 to 40 bucks a month, which is, you know, not bad. I think most people can afford, so definitely life insurance. And then the next thing is a trust. So a lot of people don't know what a trust is. So if you pass away and you have any assets or anything at all, or as you build assets, shit gets tied up fast. It goes, it goes to probate. Even with the will. It goes to probate. Meaning.
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Unknown Speaker
This is so stupid, by the way.
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Adam Schafer
Yes, it's crazy. It goes to the state. Then you have to go to these hearings to figure out where goes what, what goes where, how much it cost. I got to pay money to make sure. In other words, you can't just. Your assets don't just go to the people you want. Even if you have a will, by the way, a lot of people don't know that even if you have a written will, it goes through this whole pain in the butt process. A trust is, is, is rock solid, protected. You, you've already.
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Unknown Speaker
And instant, right?
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Adam Schafer
Instant.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
You know who you wrote down, who it goes to, what, who gets what. And as you get older, it's. What's the cool thing about trust? You get a trust, what's called a living trust. And as you get older and you accrue assets, you add it to your trust. And so over time, you know, you're in a 20s, new dad, you don't have much. By the time you're 30, you start getting a few things and you buy a house and you start investing by the time you're in 50s, like this trust has everything in it that's protected. And if something happens, it goes to this person, that person. What happens if, you know, I need power of attorney, meaning someone can call the shots. If I can't call the shots type of deal. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Now, in the past, getting a trust meant you went to a lawyer and you paid thousands of dollars. Now you can do them online for like 4 or 500 bucks. We have a company that we work with called Dynasty, where they do it for a dollar. And they're. They're literally, you have a living trust for a dollar. And it's getdynasty.com forward/mindpump. It's actually somebody I know personally that.
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Unknown Speaker
Well. Yeah, no, this was the reason. And we're investors. There's a reason why we, we did that. All of us understand the value and the importance. Importance of that as dads and then your cousin's company and to see how they were disrupting that space because it can be a bit arduous. Like, you have to hire a lawyer and the paperwork and it's like, it's a process. Costs a little bit of money. So the fact they've been able to do this, you know, like with digital signing and so fast has, like, made it so amazing that even somebody who doesn't know much about it can easily get set up and do that. At least take care of, like, your man. Even if you only have, like one thing, it's like, you start it. Yeah, you start it. You get it going. You can always build it out. Because I think that's the next question is there's going to be a lot guys or dads that are like, well, I only. I have my house. It's the only thing I have. It's not that big of a deal. I don't have a ton of money. I don't have a ton. It's like, no, you put, you start there and you put that. And then you can always.
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Justin Andrews
Cheaper if you start earlier.
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Adam Schafer
No, it's easier, too. Yeah, a lot easier.
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Unknown Speaker
No, totally.
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Adam Schafer
We have questions.
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Sal Destefano
Doug, got some questions here. The first one is what's the best workout?
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Adam Schafer
So we kind of said it a little bit, right? If you're strength training one or two days a week, a little bit of hit cardio or playing every day or walking a lot. But we, I'd say the program that we have is pro. That's probably the best for dad's maps. 15. Yeah, it's literally 15 to 20 minutes a day of strength training. And that's a majority of all you need to do. The rest of it is, you know, walking regularly and playing with your kids.
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Unknown Speaker
And if the everyday thing didn't Work and you have one or two days. You just, you could literally combine all those. Those were like. You put. You could split three of the workouts in one and then it could be.
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Adam Schafer
That's right, be two days. But it's, it's, it's really good. You'll get significant strength gains. You know, with Maps 15, you could progress that by adding weight to the bar for a couple years or more. So you'll get significantly stronger with it. And again, you know, I, I put these numbers out because people don't really understand this. But look, we've trained many, many people. If you're not strength training now, and you start strength training today, you can expect to be twice as strong by the end of the year. That's pretty conservative for most people. I know it sounds crazy, but literally, you go to the gym and, oh, I could only squat, you know, £100 or £135 of good form. You'll probably be able to squat, you know, close to twice as much by the end of the year if you stay consistent.
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Sal Destefano
What are the best supplements that you recommend?
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Adam Schafer
Supplements? That's a good question. Multivitamin, Fill your nutrient deficiencies, and then creatine. Yeah, Creatine is good for cognitive function, it's good for health, longevity. So it's good for your brain, it's good for longevity. Of course it makes you stronger, helps you with energy, helps you with sleep deprivation. It's just an overall healthy supplement.
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Unknown Speaker
About the only thing I would add to that is a protein powder. And that's just because I don't know if I've ever met a busy dad who consistently hits their protein intake naturally through whole foods. Like, obviously you gave the recommendation of just eat whole foods as far as the, you know, first level and level two was like, hit your target protein and then that. That's why I would add that as a supplement. It's like, it's tough to consistently, day in and day out, it's your protein and not have a shake or a bar like a most. Mostly shake. His bars are pretty low, but a shake to help supplement that. So I think having that at on hand is probably a good investment for, For a dad that's really trying to get after this.
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Sal Destefano
Are there any books that you recommend?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So, Adam, you recommended Love Languages. Love Languages.
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Unknown Speaker
Love Languages. The other one that's really good, that, didn't we mention is M. Men are from Mars, Women Are From Venus. Is that it?
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Adam Schafer
You know, that's correct.
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Unknown Speaker
An old book. Yeah, but it's. It talks about some of the stuff we're talking.
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Adam Schafer
Is it really okay?
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Unknown Speaker
I've never read that one, so that's really good. So is the love languages called the five love love. The five love languages.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, Dr. John Gottman's book's really good. The seven principles for making a Marriage Work. That one's a really, really good one.
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Unknown Speaker
Any of their content is good. And any of Adam Lane Smith's content?
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Unknown Speaker
So Adam Lane says that the book too Attachment, or I think it's called Attached or Attachment, something like that. That would be good. Another one is the one that I just read that I shared already one time on the podcast. I'll share it again. It's called Whole Brainchild. I think that's a. That's one of the best books I've read in a really long time. And it's, it's geared towards parenting. But I mean, if I'm telling the dad who's totally leading here, I would say that's a must read as a dad.
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Adam Schafer
Also, Chip Ingram. Now, this one's for people who are more faith based, but it's called Marriages that Work. I read that one recently and that was really, really impactful for my wife and I.
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Sal Destefano
What about trt?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. You know, a lot of people are gonna, A lot of dads are gonna ask this question. So testosterone, if you're, if you get your hormone levels checked and you're exercising, trying to eat right, so you're not like, super, you know, you're not living an unhealthy lifestyle and your testosterone is low. Especially if you're an older dad, maybe 35 and older. Testosterone replacement therapy will improve the quality of your life. Like, there's no doubt about it.
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Unknown Speaker
I. This weekend, again, I was with a bunch of friends. Old friends go back to high school. I'm like, it's so funny to. I'm like, I feel like I'm pushing it on people because I'm. Now that we're at that age, you know, we're in our mid-40s now.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
So it's like different. It's different than what I was talking about in my 20s when I probably shouldn't have been messing around with it. And versus I talk about it now, it's like, it's such a different conversation.
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Justin Andrews
Everybody's in their career and everything.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. And I was expecting, explained to my buddy. I'm like, you know, I know you think you're fine. I said, but you, you have adapted to the way you feel and you're getting by. You're okay. And so because you think that, oh, I have a decent libido and I'm fine, I work these long hours like that. I said, you don't know what optimal feels like. Get your blood work done, see where you're at. I said, if you're anywhere even under 4 or 500, I'm like, get your levels at optimal and then tell me it's not life changing for you. Yeah, tell me. Just you get better at everything else. You, you will operate better at everything else.
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Adam Schafer
I'm so glad you said that. Because immediately what people will think with replacement therapy. So what testosterone replacement therapy does is it's you're taking testosterone to bring your levels up to what would be considered optimal. What's optimal? Well, it's based off of symptoms and off of what your blood work says. Okay. And you're saying it improves everything. I'm glad you're saying that because what people think is, oh, I'm going to be stronger, I'm gonna, I'm more body fat and I'm gonna have a higher libido. True. All true. But you know what else? What happens? More energy, more drive, better cognitive function.
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Unknown Speaker
Yep.
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Adam Schafer
Better sleep.
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Unknown Speaker
Yep.
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Adam Schafer
And I would love to see, I don't know of any studies on this, but I would love to see studies on men who had low levels of testosterone who went on hormone replacement therapy and how it affected their careers.
- [49:55]
Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
- [49:55]
Adam Schafer
And I bet what you would find because. Because testosterone is correlated with earning potential and cognitive function. I would, I bet what you'll find is they did better.
- [50:04]
Justin Andrews
Sure.
- [50:05]
Adam Schafer
In their production, in their productivity.
- [50:07]
Unknown Speaker
For sure. For sure.
- [50:08]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. So that's a good one. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Justin is @mindpumpjustin. I'm @mindpump. Distefano Adams @mindpump.
- [50:16]
Sal Destefano
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