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2623: Five Weird Signs Your Heart is Unhealthy & More (Listener Coaching)
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In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page. Mind Pump Fit Tip: 5 weird signs your heart is unhealthy. (1:33) ...
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Sal DiStefano
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Adam Schafer
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Sal DiStefano
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Adam Schafer
And Justin Andrews, you just found the most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. Today's episode we had questions come in from Instagram mindpumpmedia. We picked the best ones and we answered them, but this was after the intro. Today's intro was 53 minutes long. In the intro we talk about fitness studies, fat loss, muscle gain, family life. It's a good time. Again, if you want to post a question that we can pick from, go to Instagram indpumpmedia. Now this episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is organifi. Today we talked about the red juice, which is great to improve or increase nitric oxide production. What's that? Better pumps, better blood flow, better cardiovascular health. Go check them out. Go to Organifi.com, that's O R G-A-N-I F I.com Mindpump. Use the code Mindpump. Get 20% off. This episode's also brought to you by Seed. This is the world's best probiotic. Today I talked about how some of the bacteria in Seeds product help with fat loss. No joke. Go check them out. Go to seed.com mind pump use the code to five. Mind pump get 25% off. We also have a sale on some programs this month. We have the shredded summer bundle of workout programs and the bikini bundle of programs are both 50% off. If you're interested, go to maps fitnessproducts.com and then use the code JUNE50 for the discount. Here comes the show. 66% of heart deaths happen without any obvious signs. In fact, there's five weird signs that are red flags that may be telling you that your heart is unhealthy. We're gonna get into them and then we're gonna get into what you can do to improve the health of your heart.
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Justin Andrews
This is the scary fits in.
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Sal DiStefano
This is. This is you talking to yourself right here. You're the guy. No, you're the guy that gets like a symptom and, oh, my God, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna get cancer.
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Adam Schafer
That's why I feel WebMD. Yeah, you've googled this. This is how this. No, no, it's because, you know, heart. Heart issues are the number one cause of death in modern societies. And by. By a long shot. And I have family members who had signs that were, like, strange and they didn't show up. And the next, you know, they had a heart attack. And I thought this would be a great way, a great fit tip. But also to talk about the things that the data shows significantly improve heart health. And some of them are obvious, some of them not so obvious. But let's start with some of these weird signs. By the way, none of these signs are pain. So we all know the classic, like left arm pain for heart attacks, crushing chest pain, that type of deal. Majority of people get a heart attack without those symptoms, which I did not know. 66% significant percentage of people who have a heart attack without feeling it in those ways.
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Sal DiStefano
Interesting.
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Adam Schafer
Yes. All right, so here's the first one. Poor sleep.
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Sal DiStefano
This one's hard, though, dude. Of course everybody gets poor sleep.
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Adam Schafer
They do. But this probably looks like is sudden random. What is going on Kind of poor sleep. It's like, everything's fine. Nothing changed. I'm not going through a hormonal change because that can happen as well. I don't have any crazy stress. My bedroom hasn't changed. You know, I'm not taking more stimulants. Like just all of a sudden I have really, really bad sleep. That's, by the way, that's a red flag for health in general. And it can mean a few different things. It can mean hormone issues sometimes. So when I would train female clients who are going through like perimenopause and.
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Sal DiStefano
Menopause stress and anxiety.
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Adam Schafer
Right, right. And by the way, on its own, doesn't mean you have heart.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, I mean, I. I feel like that's like this by itself, less of an indicator. But this paired with the other.
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Adam Schafer
Some of the other ones.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Is what you would want to pay attention to. The next one is random anxiety. This also, again, by itself, probably okay, but you're getting poor sleep plus random anxiety. What's going on?
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, I know too. Even with my wife, it was like when her thyroid was a bit off, like the anxiety really ran.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
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Justin Andrews
So that was like the hormone factor to that actually was. Was huge.
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Sal DiStefano
So Doug checks both these boxes. Go on to three now.
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Adam Schafer
Well, he's all right with the next one. Fatigue after small efforts.
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Sal DiStefano
I don't know anybody.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, yeah, that guy never gets done.
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Sal DiStefano
Great level.
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Adam Schafer
This one's a pretty big red flag. If sudd you're doing your normal stuff, you're going up the stairs and you're just like out of breath. Or you go take the groceries out of the car, something you do all the time, and you're just like, oh, really, really, really out of breath.
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Justin Andrews
When you make noises, when you tie.
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Adam Schafer
Your shoes, though, that just means you're a dad. That's a dad noise.
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Sal DiStefano
I would imagine this one is probably the. The more obvious or the more likely one that you would notice the most. I mean, stand out the most, right?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, dude. Fatigue after small efforts, like, that's. That's a. That can be a warning sign, especially for persists. It's like, what is going on? Why am I so exhausted?
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Sal DiStefano
Well, yeah, especially if you've gone up your flight of stairs a million times, that you lived in that house for 20 years, and now all of a sudden you go and you have to like, grab the rail and go, oh, that was a lot like, okay. To me, that feels. I feel like that would be more obvious than tonight was a bad night's sleep.
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Adam Schafer
I Remember you had that after Covid? Remember for a little while. I remember you saying it was for a walk and you were like, tired.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, I remember I'd go for this little short walk. It was so bad that afterwards I would like, day, have to like take a 30 minute nap. I just, I would, I. I can never. I'm the opposite of you, right? You could fall asleep right away anywhere. I can't sleep in the middle of the day. Just almost impossible. I have to be super. But after Covid, I remember. Right, right after I had it. I remember that for about a month afterwards, I had that fatigue like that. That was very obvious to me because it was so out of the norm.
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Adam Schafer
Like, and that's what it should be. It should be kind of out of the norm. Type of fatigue, shortness of breath, walking up the stairs. That's, I think, a kind of obvious one where you just feel like you're gasping, like, what's going on? I feel like I just ran, but I didn't. And then last cold hands and feet, these are circulatory. They can, it can point to circulatory issues. A lot of people with cold hands and cold feet, again, I feel like this is one of those out of the ordinary types of things where it's uncomfortable, where they feel like they're really, really cold and you don't know why, you know, type of deal. All right, so let's get into some of the stuff, Doug, and if you can order those in a way that are easy to read, that'd be great. If we. Let's get into some of the things that the data has shown to significantly improve or impact heart health. And we'll start with diet. Right? Diet has a huge impact on the health of your heart, but there are particular things in diet that have a bigger impact than others. Now, this is something that we talk about all the time on the podcast, which is to eat a higher protein diet and eat the protein first. Now, why is this good for heart health? Well, this helps with insulin sensitivity and issues with blood sugar or insulin insensitivity or resistance, strongly connected to heart issues and heart disease and eating protein. In fact, there's studies that show that if you eat a high protein breakfast, no matter what you eat for the rest of the day, your blood sugar is more controlled as a result.
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Sal DiStefano
Now, that can't actually, that can't trump calorie intake, though.
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Adam Schafer
No, not at all.
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Sal DiStefano
Because in the context of a calorie deficit, I would imagine that probably would relieve that the most. And In a surplus, this becomes far more important.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, well, it's important in both. But what you're talking about is the next point, which is to avoid processed foods. If people just didn't eat processed foods, what you would find for a majority, not everybody, but a majority of people is their, their, their body weight issues would largely be solved. You would see. I think if we eliminated processed foods, the obesity epidemic would mostly not be, not be an epidemic anymore. And that's because they just make you overeat, like simply. I could say right now, don't overeat, because that would be the advice. But I know that that's difficult, almost impossible if Your diet is 70, 80% processed foods. Like most Americans, avoiding those foods, you follow your natural hunger signals and you tend to eat a more appropriate calorie diet. So just avoid those.
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Sal DiStefano
It was my favorite way to help a client of mine that was severely overweight that knew they over consumed calories all the time and not putting them on anything too restrictive. I would simply. And they would always bounce back with, wait, wait, how much can I eat? Or is my, do I need to cut this? Like, no, just, just do that. Eat when you're hungry, but just do that. Just eat from these foods. And I normally would list off a bunch of foods for them that were whole foods to choose from. So you choose anything you want from there, just eat that first and let's just go from there and let's see where you land. And boy, the weight would just fall right off. And it's not restrictive.
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Adam Schafer
No, they don't even feel like they're dieting.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. And so it you tell somebody who knows they overeat and needs to lose a significant amount of weight that you're not going to cut their cow even though you know what you're doing. Right. So I know happens. Yeah, I know I'm cutting his calories. Right. He doesn't know that because I'm telling him, eat as much as you want, just so long as they're within these food groups.
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Adam Schafer
Right.
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Sal DiStefano
But then it's like they don't have that psychological battle of I can't do this. It's like, okay, well coach says I can if I'm hungry, eat. Just, I got to eat from that list. Like, okay, I can do that. That seems reasonable. And so much success.
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Adam Schafer
In my experience, when I had clients who had weight to lose, they would typically lose about half the weight that their goal weight loss was by this alone. Yeah, half. So I gotta lose 30 pounds. 15 pounds will come off with something like this, I'm gonna lose £20. £10 will come off just by doing this alone, without me even talking about protein, carbohydrates, fats or calories or anything else. This alone would typically handle half of the weight loss. And to your point, Adam, my favorite part would people come to me and say, I don't know what's happening. Yeah, I'm eating till I'm full. Why? How am I losing weight? Because it was just. They felt satisfied because that's what heavily processed foods do. They make you overeat.
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Justin Andrews
Do you know if the American Heart association has updated? No, because before that, it was very deliberately targeted to, like, saturated fats and cholesterol, you know, to avoid, by all means necessary.
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Adam Schafer
So we're going to get to that. But one thing that they did that made me upset is they did not come out and, you know, for lack of a better term, condemn heavily processed foods. Their point was, well, eat. Make sure you don't overeat. Yeah, well, yeah, okay. That's, of course, by the way, so.
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Justin Andrews
Much contributes to that the most.
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Adam Schafer
So much of their funding comes from these food companies that they have a very strong incentive to not say, don't eat these, these foods.
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Justin Andrews
Right?
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Adam Schafer
But If I took two groups of people, you know, 100 group, 100 people in this group, 100 people in this group, and this group, I said, cut your calories by 500. In this group, I said, don't eat heavily processed foods and then followed them for four years. The one who's avoiding heavily processed foods would be far more successful than the one who I told to cut their calories. All right, so fats. Let's talk about fats here. Here's the deal. With saturated fats, there are polymorphisms. In other words, there are genetic differences where some people do need to watch their saturated fat intake because it does contribute to blood lipid levels in them that are not ideal for heart health or that have been connected to increased risk of heart issues. There are, however, another significant percentage, a pretty large percentage of people, probably more than half, where this is not an issue. So long as calories are appropriate, everything else is good. I'm one of those people. Like, my diet is so high in saturated fat, it's not even funny. I eat probably 2 pounds of red meat a day. It is grass fed, so it's got a better fatty acid profile. But I still have a lot of saturated fat from there from eggs, from other stuff. And my blood lipids always look incredible. Like I can't make them go bad by doing that. And there's lots of people like that when their diet is otherwise healthy. This doesn't cause a problem. Now, there are some people, and it's a. It's a smaller percentage than half.
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Justin Andrews
Smaller. A lot.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Where they'll do everything right, then they'll come back and be like, oh, my blood lipids just don't look ideal. Everything else looks okay.
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Sal DiStefano
Do you think in that case they're still under, like under the calories still? Or do you think they're also probably hitting maintenance to service?
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Adam Schafer
When you drop calories, a lot of magic happens.
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Sal DiStefano
I mean, this is the reason why you keep hearing me go. Go back to that is just for this simple fact is like one of the best things that you could possibly do is just get in a calorie deficit right away. And it clears up so many of these problems. No matter who you are or how sensitive people you are to anything, just simply getting in a deficit, it seems that, like, you. If you overeat saturated fats and you're in a surplus and then you also are sensitive to those things, it can be really bad.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, but I've had a couple, not a lot. I've had a few clients like this where they were doing everything right. And the blood lipids weren't perfect. They weren't the best. They were okay. But there were a few things in there that were not great. And we just had them reduce their saturated fat intake, replace it with polyunsaturated fat or. Or fish, and they saw great improvement. So that is the case for some people. So it's not. I'm not one of those fitness people. It's like, don't worry ever about saturated fat. Now, there are cases. Yeah, but, but like you said, Adam, oftentimes it's the. You're eating too much of everything. You're eating garbage. You're not exercising. It's not the saturated fats. All the other stuff.
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Sal DiStefano
Do you also think too it makes a difference if it's. It's coming from a place like red meat with so a high protein version of that versus just like pure saturated fat from other things like oil process.
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Adam Schafer
Of course.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, right, Absolutely. And also because that's the other. That's the other reason why I see when you see these markers on somebody who has higher saturated fats, like, well, where are you getting your high saturated fat? And are you hitting your protein intake through Whole Foods?
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Adam Schafer
It's like, I had one client, Jim. Doug knows him. Who. I mean, this guy was like this.
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Sal DiStefano
Is a swimmer guy, right?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, dude. And he was in his at the time, late 60s, but like super fit, did everything right, ate a lot of red meat and his numbers came back and they weren't bad, but he's like, you know, Sal, I'd like to see my HDL go up a little bit and you know, I'd like to see these numbers change a little bit. What can I do? And all I had him do is change from conventional. He was retired so he always tried to save money with food. But we switched from traditional beef to, to grass finished beef. That's all we did. And we saw an improvement because the fatty acid profile is better and that kind of meat fiber. Fiber's another one.
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Sal DiStefano
Funny part though about that. Just, just again, side note is like you also reduce calories by doing that.
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Adam Schafer
Yep. And increased protein. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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Sal DiStefano
So you know, it's like, was it because of that or was it because it also.
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Adam Schafer
You're right.
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Sal DiStefano
Brought its calories down.
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Adam Schafer
You're right.
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Sal DiStefano
You know.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, that's a good point. Because we weren't. He wasn't. He didn't track. That's a good point. Very good point. Next up is fiber. You know, contrary to what the carnivore, you know, diet fanatics say fiber has a lot, a lot, a lot of data to show its protective value benefits. Fiber is also satiating, by the way. Protein is very satiating. Do you know what's under that for satiety? Fiber. Fiber is a great way to get yourself to eat more appropriately with your calories. Fiber comes in fruits and vegetables and it's got great effects on heart health. Now I don't think eating fiber infused processed foods is the way to go. I remember in the 80s and 90s there was this high push for fiber and what they end, what people ended up eating were like these cereals that were like super high fiber cereals. Yeah, great way to get gastric upset and blow. Have you guys ever eaten like oh.
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Justin Andrews
The shredded wheat that's just basically like a bale of hay, dude. A little tiny bale of hay.
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Adam Schafer
Frosted.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, frosted, like edible.
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Adam Schafer
That's not the same thing. I remember eating like, I think it was grape nuts. I ate a whole bunch.
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Sal DiStefano
That's a lot of fiber, bro.
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Adam Schafer
I felt like, oh, my stomach got so, you know, because fiber will do that if you eat certain kinds of fiber. But fiber is important and fiber, besides protein, fiber was the other thing that.
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Sal DiStefano
I would look at this. That's why I think it's so crazy. That community that tries to hate on it, like you don't need it is. That was such a simple fix for so many of my. Almost always when I had a client. Almost always. Not always, but almost always when a client had digestive issues, I would look into their fiber and they were grossly under consuming. I, I would have like, go to, I'd have meat, like two cups of berries and like a, like a spinach salad thing and like all of a sudden and do that for like three days in a row and like fixed.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Sal DiStefano
And so the fact that there's people that try and say that it's unnecessary, it's like I can't think of. There's so many clients that that simple piece of advice helped them so much.
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Adam Schafer
All right, next up, this is a great topic for heart health is boost nitric oxide in the body. I looked this up in preparation for this episode. By age 40, the average person's nitric oxide levels drop by 40%. So nitric oxide, interesting. Those of us in the fitness space know it because it's like, you know, boost nitric oxide, get a better pump. What it does is it, it, it dilates blood vessels, improves blood flow, it'll lower your blood pressure a little bit and it contributes to really healthy blood vessels. Really healthy blood vessels.
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Sal DiStefano
What's the prevailing theory on why you would, you would drop that much by your 40s? What are we doing different in our 40s that would cause that?
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Adam Schafer
I would imagine it has to do with diet and activity and hormone changes.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Because I'd like to see that tested in a fit and healthy population and see if there's a difference there. So this is like the average person. So if we took the average fit and healthy 40 year old, would it be lower like that? I don't think so. I don't think so.
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Sal DiStefano
I'm so surprised. We have, I mean, we just had our friend Drew Canole on here and you're talking to him. Organifi products. I'm surprised that that hasn't been like a marketing strategy for them. For 40 plus people with the red juice.
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Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
Because that's what that's.
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Adam Schafer
Well, no, you just said it. So beets and beat, you know, beet powder supplement. Like, like you want to talk about. People talk about citrulline. Citrulline will do it a little bit. It pales in comparison to beets and beet powder. That will boost nitric oxide a lot in a natural. Nice. A lot. And the studies on that athletic Performance are amazing, by the way, like endurance athletes. So boosting nitric oxide doesn't really improve strength performance. I saw some studies where people at altitude.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, like endurance.
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Adam Schafer
Endurance. Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. But I wonder what a difference it may. I would love to see that tested with like a healthy fit 40 year old and then somebody who is under on that. Like you're to your point.
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Adam Schafer
When somebody's unhealthy and they supplement with. They take beets or beet powder.
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Sal DiStefano
Huge difference.
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Adam Schafer
You see an improvement in blood pressure and endothelial health as a result. And you'll feel.
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Sal DiStefano
You'll probably feel that then for sure. Workout.
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Adam Schafer
Yes. In fact, you should see the studies on beetroot powder and beets and erectile dysfunction.
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Justin Andrews
I was just gonna say erectile dysfunction because you see that as your aging.
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Adam Schafer
By the way, that's another red flag for heart health is erectile dysfunction. That's actually one of the first signs that your cardiovascular system is blood flow.
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Sal DiStefano
And pumping blood there.
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Adam Schafer
Speaking of which, PDE5 inhibitors like Viagra, Cialis, great for boosting nitric oxide. And they're showing studies that people who take them have a. It's funny too.
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Justin Andrews
Go Viagra.
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Adam Schafer
When I first started reading these studies and I didn't know too much about PDE5 inhibitors, and I saw studies like, you know, people who use Viagra regularly, like their instance of heart, you know, heart disease, heart attack is significantly dropped. I'm like, well, they're having more sex. That's what's happening right now. That's not the case.
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Sal DiStefano
I remember being a teenager in the gym. That's more cardio than where I used to lift. And you. And you. We actually saw like Viagra and stuff on the. And I remember always thinking, like, it was more than once. Right. That you saw somebody. Yeah. In the locker room. Oh, this was over. We shot in it. Remember the gym that we shot? Yeah, yeah. Remember we were first.
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Adam Schafer
Bodybuilders were using that stuff for the pump and then.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. I mean, I had no idea. Like, just didn't. I was like, I knew it. I knew what Viagra was. I mean, as a teenager. But I was like, why would this be in a gym? Like, who's like, yeah. Is there really somebody who's like getting it on in the back and they can't wait there?
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. For me.
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Sal DiStefano
But yeah. Later on found out how. How great it was for pumps and I thought, oh, wow, that's a. That's interesting.
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Adam Schafer
Yes.
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Sal DiStefano
Here's kind of an expensive way to do it.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. Here's Another thing that you got to see the studies on this mouthwash. Mouthwash kills. Kills the bacteria that produces nitric oxide.
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Justin Andrews
Okay.
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Sal DiStefano
Oh, interesting.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. So mouth.
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Sal DiStefano
I knew. I've known about the why it's not good for. I could just. Because it kills the microbiome in your mouth, which is important.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
There are, there's connected to the 100.
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Justin Andrews
Oh, I've heard that a lot with dental mouth health that also like being correlated to heart.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
Health.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. That's also, you know, by the way, I'm so glad you said that. I believe that there is some value in mouthwash for certain people who have, you know, issues with like permeability of their gums. Like they bleed a lot.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Because bacteria can get in the blood. In your blood. So I don't think this is true across the board. But otherwise mouthwash, like using it regularly for fresh breath or whatever, you're killing your nitric oxide is what's happening. Lifting weights. Another great way to boost nitric oxide and blood flow. You'll notice when you start strength training is that you'll suddenly be able to get a better pump in your muscles and the blood flow as a result. So strength training and then sauna, regular sauna use. I think if I'm not mistaken, three days a week of sauna use reduced all cause mortality by 40%, a significant percentage of which is heart related mortality.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Just because a sauna. What a sauna literally does to your blood vessels is. Is it simulates exercise. It causes dilation, strengthens them. Again, stress.
- [23:24]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [23:24]
Sal DiStefano
Have you guys put one in your house yet?
- [23:26]
Adam Schafer
I'm about to.
- [23:27]
Sal DiStefano
I just told Katrina space for it. I just told her yesterday.
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Adam Schafer
Did you buy one?
- [23:31]
Sal DiStefano
I haven't yet.
- [23:31]
Adam Schafer
Okay, let's. Let's go in the same place.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you now you have, you have the little pod, don't you?
- [23:37]
Adam Schafer
Portable.
- [23:38]
Sal DiStefano
I'm gonna get like a full on one. Yeah. I want to put it in my backyard.
- [23:41]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, like a full on. Oh, like the barrel one.
- [23:44]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. I don't. Not necessarily the. A barrel one, but that style outside, that's an outdoor version.
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Adam Schafer
We're gonna put it in our room next to the bathroom because then I like to get in the shower right afterwards. But I mean, it's so healthy for you. It improves VO2 max. If you lift weights now and all you do is add sauna afterwards, your endurance goes up significantly. Just from adding that, you're not even working out more. You're just. In fact, it actually speeds up recovery. That's right. Next is to move. Daily Steps is a great way to track this. About 8,000 steps a day will give you about 80% of the benefits of moving. You'll get more benefits with more walking. 8,000 steps is super. I think that's super achievable for most people. And then the last thing is a don't, don't smoke. Yeah.
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Justin Andrews
That is like anything health related. Smoking, it just takes. Oh man. That's the first thing they look for. An insurance company, doctors. The first question they asked you, have you smoked?
- [24:39]
Adam Schafer
I trained a few cardiovascular doctors and vascular surgeons. And I remember one of them who's about to retire. So he'd been doing it for decades. And I asked him, I said, what's. And I was expecting him to say diet or lack of exercise. I said, what's the number one commonality you have among all of your patients? He goes, hands down. Smoking.
- [25:01]
Justin Andrews
Always, always hands down.
- [25:03]
Adam Schafer
He goes, it would. It is the worst thing you could do for your blood vessels and your heart health. Heart health.
- [25:08]
Sal DiStefano
Now do you think that's just because so many people used to. And there's like a correlation with that just because like.
- [25:14]
Adam Schafer
Oh no.
- [25:14]
Sal DiStefano
More than half the population at one point was smoking cigarettes.
- [25:17]
Adam Schafer
Oh, no. He had like 90 something percent of his patients smoked. So it was like most.
- [25:23]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, yeah.
- [25:24]
Adam Schafer
It was super, super obvious.
- [25:25]
Sal DiStefano
So yeah, it's more than just a slight bias.
- [25:28]
Adam Schafer
Speaking of studies, I got a fat loss study that is really interesting new. Well, I don't think I've talked about this one before, so it's really interesting. You ready?
- [25:38]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [25:39]
Adam Schafer
A 2022 randomized trial found that Bifidobacterium, this is a type of probiotic, so we know it's beneficial combined with a calorie restricted diet. So they compared this to a group who just had a calorie restricted diet. Okay. So one group, calorie deficit, the other group, calorie deficit. Plus using this probiotic, it led to greater weight loss and reduced waist circumference compared to diet alone. And then lactobacillus by itself has been linked to reduced visceral fat and overweight adults. So in other words, in another study, they took overweight adults and just gave them lactobacillus and their visceral fat went down.
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Sal DiStefano
Now is that probiotics.
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Adam Schafer
Is a fat loss?
- [26:19]
Sal DiStefano
I was gonna say, is that, is that a common, common probiotic? Is that. I know seed carries that in there, right?
- [26:24]
Adam Schafer
So yes, there's different types of bifido and lactobacteria. Those are the ones that you'll find in probiotics.
- [26:30]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [26:31]
Adam Schafer
So, yes, if you take a probiotic, it's probably. It should have those in there.
- [26:35]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [26:35]
Adam Schafer
But as a fat loss supplement. How cool is that? Yeah, I mean, that's super rad. And then another connected study. This. You might like this one. Adam. This is a 2020 study, a meta analysis. This is really good. That found that lactobacillus and bifidobacterium in early childhood reduced the incidence of allergic of allergies, essentially in asthma. Prenatal probiotic use by mothers also lowered allergy risk in infants. So giving it to kids. Interesting. So if it's like a genetic thing, like, oh, yeah, like, you know, I had asthma as a kid, so we.
- [27:07]
Sal DiStefano
Give Max seed and I. I obviously have allergies and he seems to like, he is sensitive to it, so hopefully it'll. It'll help him out in that direction.
- [27:15]
Adam Schafer
So that's. That's really good. Okay. I've been meaning to hit this topic. It's been up on the notes and I'm like, what is going on with platypus? Why did you have notes?
- [27:23]
Justin Andrews
I was still thinking bacteria, but dang.
- [27:27]
Sal DiStefano
He'S like, that's not the transition.
- [27:29]
Justin Andrews
I've been trying to hammer this one in for the last three episodes.
- [27:32]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [27:32]
Justin Andrews
No, because it's. It was fascinating. I don't know why. Why I stumbled across this particular animal, but I was just like, I. It's in its own class. Like somebody had. Had mentioned in the title or something. Like the platypus, it's. It's literally a science experiment, you know? Like, who. It doesn't. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, it looks like almost like a beaver and a duck. Like, is it.
- [27:55]
Adam Schafer
Because it lays eggs? Plus it's a mammal. Plus it does.
- [27:58]
Justin Andrews
Okay. So, yeah, it lays eggs, which obviously puts its own category. There's only one other animal does it. That's a mammal. And then. So it had. It doesn't have nipples.
- [28:09]
Adam Schafer
And it.
- [28:10]
Justin Andrews
It lactates still. So from where this leaks, like it sweats.
- [28:14]
Adam Schafer
It sweats milk.
- [28:16]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [28:16]
Sal DiStefano
And that's how its babies get fed, apparently.
- [28:19]
Adam Schafer
And then look this up, Doug.
- [28:20]
Justin Andrews
And then when you're. When its feet too have like this weird venom it produces, which was.
- [28:27]
Sal DiStefano
So where do we categorize it? Where does it fall?
- [28:30]
Adam Schafer
I think it's its own. Right?
- [28:31]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's. So I actually had to write it down because I never remember the name of it.
- [28:35]
Adam Schafer
But I love the stuff Justin gets.
- [28:36]
Sal DiStefano
Into monotremes Is it you or your kid that's like. Because I, like. I know a lot of my stuff ends up because my son is researching Justin.
- [28:45]
Justin Andrews
I talk about it with my kids because, like, I'm trying to make sense of it, and I'm like, did you guys know this? Like, maybe you learned it in school?
- [28:52]
Adam Schafer
No nipples. Milk is secreted from mammary glands, and it pools in grooves on their abdomen.
- [28:59]
Justin Andrews
So they lap it up off their belly.
- [29:01]
Adam Schafer
Oh, I don't know this. You know what a young platypus is called? A puggle from the group.
- [29:06]
Justin Andrews
So what's a group of platypuses? Platypi.
- [29:09]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Is that the.
- [29:10]
Sal DiStefano
Is that right?
- [29:10]
Adam Schafer
Don't say what you want to say, Jesse. I know. I won't.
- [29:15]
Justin Andrews
This is a family show, you guys.
- [29:17]
Adam Schafer
Wow.
- [29:19]
Justin Andrews
Isn't that weird, though? I mean, like, what? I. I don't. There's no other animal that's, like, that.
- [29:23]
Sal DiStefano
I've never seen one of your two sons. Who's more likely to be into this stuff?
- [29:30]
Justin Andrews
Everett.
- [29:31]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, Everett is.
- [29:32]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:32]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, I see. I would have thought Ethan, because Ethan's more the reader. I would have thought He's.
- [29:35]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, he's the reader. Well, he's more into, like, geopolitical stuff, and.
- [29:39]
Adam Schafer
Oh, my God, that's deep for a kid his age.
- [29:42]
Sal DiStefano
He's.
- [29:42]
Justin Andrews
He's so into that, and he's so into, like, governments, and he could. He could draw I don't know how many countries flags, but he knows them all. He's memorized them all.
- [29:54]
Sal DiStefano
Really?
- [29:54]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:55]
Sal DiStefano
And, like, totally on his own. It's not like he had to do.
- [29:57]
Justin Andrews
It for his interest.
- [29:58]
Sal DiStefano
That's cool.
- [29:58]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [29:59]
Sal DiStefano
That's cool that he's into that. Like, that.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, no, Everett's very. He's like me. He. He's into the random, and. And he's into a lot of, like, deep philosophical things and. And, like, trying to make sense of things, like, big problems. And we. We have, like, really long discussions sometimes. He's like, dad, I have to go to bed. You know, mad at me. Because we get into this, like, philosophical topic, and.
- [30:24]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, wow.
- [30:25]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, that all the time. And me and Ethan's pretty much, like, regular, you know?
- [30:30]
Sal DiStefano
You know, my favorite right now is. Is watching Max try and articulate something with a word that he hasn't used yet. So, like, we were. We were walking, and he. And I'm challenging his thinking all the time, and he said something, and the way he was resp. Wasn't aligned with, like, what he was talking about before. And I'm like, wait a second. That was. You said it this way or that way. And you could tell, like he doesn't know the word confused. Like, that he was confused and he didn't know what to say. So he's like, yeah, that's because my brain is broken. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, you mean you're confused? You're confused on what? Okay. And then we would explain it, but he's at that age now. It's so fun to watch him search for the appropriate word to describe what he's thinking or feeling. And so he uses his best example of like to do it. And I love trying to piece.
- [31:18]
Justin Andrews
I see how you put that together.
- [31:19]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so great that you, like.
- [31:21]
Adam Schafer
Have I told, have you, have I told you guys that my, my 4 year old, he, he'll, he, he'll come up to us in front of his two year old sister and he thinks he's being like, he's trying to be slick because he wants to say, can I have a treat?
- [31:32]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [31:32]
Adam Schafer
But he comes and he hears his mom and I spell things all the time when we don't want them to know.
- [31:37]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [31:37]
Adam Schafer
So he comes up to us and he goes, papa, can I have some C O, Y K? And I'm like, C O Y K. Like quick. Yeah, you want a treat? Yeah. So that's the word we, that's the tree.
- [31:50]
Sal DiStefano
What'll be interesting, does he use it? Remember I told you the story about my sister?
- [31:53]
Adam Schafer
You guys would do that.
- [31:54]
Sal DiStefano
Well, when my sister was little, but it was always the same letters, so.
- [31:57]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it's always C O, Y K. Okay.
- [31:58]
Sal DiStefano
So that's what's so funny is it was psrt. I could still remember to this day when we. Because if we, if that was how we were spelling cuss words. Right. So when we were around each other as adults and my little sister was around, it was, we would spell the cuss word. And so she attached it to frustration or upset or like we're, you know, so whenever she was frustrated, upset. Psrt. And you knew she was spelling it, she thought she was spelling a cuss word. You know what I'm saying?
- [32:22]
Adam Schafer
I was joking with my wife, so I'm like, we should start like a snack food, like a healthy snack food company. That'll be the story.
- [32:27]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [32:27]
Adam Schafer
You know, my son had digestive issues, so we decided to make quick.
- [32:32]
Justin Andrews
It seems like the natural progression from that.
- [32:34]
Sal DiStefano
Right?
- [32:34]
Justin Andrews
You go from spelling, so. But then once they go to school and they figure out how to put all together now you got to do pig Latin.
- [32:40]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Well, his mom or he's. She's teaching them because we homeschool and. And one of the things that she's teaching them is sign language, but I don't know any of it. And it's already happening where he. They're talking and talking, like, oh, you guys. Are you guys doing this? Talk about your dad.
- [32:54]
Sal DiStefano
That's great.
- [32:55]
Adam Schafer
Like, what's going on?
- [32:56]
Sal DiStefano
He's already putting it together. Huh?
- [32:57]
Adam Schafer
He's starting to put some stuff together with, you know what? It activates the same brains as language. Right. Sign language.
- [33:03]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah. Remember that show I mentioned? Did you guys ever check it out? The one where it's like, you can't say that, but they ask questions of people. Like, some people that have disabilities, some people that are, like, priests, or, like, you know, unique categories of people. No, it's on Netflix. I mentioned it on the show a while back, but they had one for deaf people, and, like, they were. They went through.
- [33:26]
Sal DiStefano
Oh.
- [33:26]
Adam Schafer
Where you asked questions that you normally wouldn't ask. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [33:29]
Justin Andrews
Like, it's taboo a little bit, but, like, also, they're, like, very open to talk about.
- [33:34]
Adam Schafer
That's right.
- [33:35]
Justin Andrews
Try and describe their, you know, their experience and everything.
- [33:39]
Adam Schafer
I told you how. Like, when. When. Because they have, like, new procedures that can bring hearing or sight to some people who'd never had it.
- [33:46]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [33:46]
Adam Schafer
And one of the biggest, like, misunderstandings, I guess, that people who are deaf and then could suddenly hear.
- [33:52]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [33:52]
Adam Schafer
They all thought that the sun made noise.
- [33:54]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [33:55]
Adam Schafer
They all said they were shocked to notice that the sun was silent.
- [33:59]
Sal DiStefano
That's wild.
- [33:59]
Adam Schafer
Which, if you think about it, it looks like it would make a lot of noise.
- [34:02]
Sal DiStefano
You know, I've been applying that. I mean, it's only been a handful of times, so I can't, like, I don't have, like, a huge example of, like, oh, my God, that totally works. But the handful of times I have used this. That strategy of not telling my son no and ask me after. Ask me after. And it works pro. Yeah, it is, like, it's like a. It's a pretty little cool hack.
- [34:20]
Adam Schafer
I do feel like a lot of things will work on your kid, though, because he's. He's pretty. Like, he's so chill.
- [34:24]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [34:24]
Adam Schafer
Well, I mean, the test will be if it works on my kid.
- [34:26]
Sal DiStefano
I know, I know. And I, I. And so I, I. That's kind of. Katrina and I were talking about it, and I'm like, you know, we. We've. We've communicated so well with him for so long that he's pretty easy to. I mean, I could even tell him no. Pretty easy. And, like, he's not a.
- [34:38]
Adam Schafer
He also just has that demeanor.
- [34:39]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. He's not a kid who's gonna throw a tantrum and this and that and be that way. And so. Okay, do I have a little bit of a bias? Because my son is already easy, so. But it's, like, working even more like magic with him. It's just, like, half the time, he forgets. So it's not. It just shows you that in the moment, like, he wants back to that.
- [34:57]
Adam Schafer
It's impulsive.
- [34:57]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, exactly. It's impulsive. He hears his mom saying, hey, it' to get a shower, go to bed. No, I want to. I want to play with my Legos for 10 more minutes. Okay, well, get your bed, get your stuff ready, do this, and then ask me after that. And then it's like he forgets.
- [35:09]
Adam Schafer
And so it's like, that's brilliant. Yeah.
- [35:10]
Justin Andrews
I'm like, okay, Adults all the time. And it works.
- [35:13]
Sal DiStefano
I'm like, it's kind of a cool hack.
- [35:14]
Justin Andrews
I'm like, we'll get back to that.
- [35:16]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Wow. That's messed up.
- [35:18]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, it's so smart. Because it doesn't cause that. No. And that. That. That natural want to rebel strength is the muscle, too.
- [35:25]
Adam Schafer
Of.
- [35:25]
Sal DiStefano
Of. Yes. Of him having to think and connect the dots. Of like, oh, I do these things and just wait.
- [35:29]
Adam Schafer
Wait. Yeah, yeah. Not indulge right away.
- [35:31]
Sal DiStefano
No, no, totally. I. I mean, I love the delayed gratification that it teaches him. It also connects. Connects.
- [35:37]
Adam Schafer
Have you done it yet?
- [35:38]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, you can try it. I mean, again, like I said, I have a small test group of how many times I've done it. But so far, I've been really impressed with. It's more. Katrina and I are training. In fact, she, like, initially just said no. And then I came back, I said, well, do this and do that, and then ask us. And then he looked at. He actually looked at me. He goes, oh, are you the boss boss tonight? And not mommy, but. Oh, God. I said, no, Mommy. She stepped in and said stuff like that. I'm like, I don't want it to be misconstrued. So it's us needing to practice to be more consistent with it. Of, like, the initial want to say no when that's not what we wanted to do. And so far, so good. So.
- [36:10]
Adam Schafer
Hey, so. So trip off this. Did you guys know that the first AI I'm gonna Pull up this article. The first AI artist got signed.
- [36:21]
Justin Andrews
Music musician.
- [36:22]
Adam Schafer
Yes.
- [36:23]
Sal DiStefano
Who? It was Tim.
- [36:24]
Adam Schafer
Was it Timberland?
- [36:25]
Sal DiStefano
Timberland, yes, Tim.
- [36:28]
Adam Schafer
So Tim, there's a company that. So he signed his first AI artist, Tata, from the AI entertainment company he launched.
- [36:36]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, wait, wait, hold on. So it's his company. He launched it and he signed thing that he built. There's got to be creating an artificial market.
- [36:42]
Adam Schafer
There's got to be.
- [36:44]
Sal DiStefano
Well, yeah, that sounds like a. That sounds like a really creative.
- [36:48]
Justin Andrews
But I made money off the money I printed right now.
- [36:50]
Adam Schafer
Well, so I mean, essentially what's hap. What's going to probably happen is that you're going to see. And they're calling it Apop, by the way. You're going to see our companies who are going to create characters, AI characters probably try to get a following on social media, which is already happening.
- [37:07]
Sal DiStefano
It's already happening. There are, listen, there's companies already that have fake AI girls that have got a quarter million, a million followers and they're selling $40,000 worth of product.
- [37:16]
Adam Schafer
I know. Yeah, I know. And you know, they're not required artist. Right there, the. The girl with the, the pink hair or right there, you see the video.
- [37:27]
Justin Andrews
The guy that's like getting ready in the morning. He's like normal. He's like. Looks like a dude. He's putting his stuff together, all that. And then it literally.
- [37:35]
Adam Schafer
He.
- [37:35]
Justin Andrews
He's a. He's a hot chick on a. Like an AI hot chick. And then. Oh, you know, he manages that. He just manages it. But he does everything like he normally does, but just as a hot chick on the Internet.
- [37:47]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [37:47]
Justin Andrews
And it's like. And he's making all this money because people are like, you know what this is?
- [37:51]
Adam Schafer
Like, this is a short period of time before that.
- [37:54]
Sal DiStefano
Then you're going to trust nothing.
- [37:55]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, well, not just that. Everyone's going to do it and it's not going to be very valuable.
- [37:58]
Sal DiStefano
Well, that's what I mean right now it's. It works because there. It still tricks a lot of people. People are unaware. Once everybody becomes aware now, you're going to be skeptical of everything. You'll be like, I. Even if it's real, I don't know if I trust that person.
- [38:11]
Adam Schafer
Is it going to be a market that's just competitive though, like which company can create the AI person who's got.
- [38:17]
Justin Andrews
The best artificial nonsense, who create.
- [38:18]
Adam Schafer
Who gets. You know what's going to be crazy about this, you guys? Is that okay, since algorithms on social media are super advanced and they Adjust themselves on the fly. They're super individualized to you. And it's based off things that we don't even know. But the stuff we do know is like what you click on, what you hover over, what you comment on and what you like. But there's other stuff too that they're not telling us. And so your algorithm is super, super individualized in the social media platforms with the best algorithm that can individualize.
- [38:48]
Justin Andrews
That's what's creepy, is like they measure like the amount of hesitation you have of like all of eye blinks, like all that.
- [38:55]
Adam Schafer
So I consciously change my algorithm.
- [38:57]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, you can.
- [38:58]
Adam Schafer
I consciously click on. So I don't want to see this. I want to see this on purpose.
- [39:02]
Sal DiStefano
I try to find the same thing.
- [39:03]
Adam Schafer
But I have to do it consciously.
- [39:04]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, you have to be active about it.
- [39:06]
Adam Schafer
So what I'm trying to say is that these AI is there's gonna be a point when these AI, I don't know, people or whatever, they're gonna adjust themselves to you.
- [39:13]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [39:14]
Adam Schafer
So you're gonna get the AI person say, it's already figured out who Justin is gonna.
- [39:18]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, we were debating this on our. Listen to, we were debating this on our walk yesterday. And I definitely think before they suck, there's going to be certain things that, like that it's going to be good for. For example, like it's going to, it's going to make a lot of things that were out of reach or too expensive for the average person to now have access to, to consume. And for that reason it'll be good. Right. So there'll be things that, that AI, robots and things can create that somebody else couldn't afford before that'll be so inexpensive because it's not humans that are having to build it. But then there, then there will be a percentage of people that won't want that. That and they'll want the thing that has imperfections and that's human made. I mean, and we, we already see examples of that in society today. And so I think it'll, it'll only accelerate that.
- [40:03]
Adam Schafer
Is that, is that the same percentage of people today that are like, I want a handmade chair instead of the one that I could buy for, you know, 1/5 the cost. That's a small market. It's not a lot of people. Most people don't want the handmade thing because it costs too much money doing. They want.
- [40:20]
Sal DiStefano
We want what we can't have. We've already proven that in the market. We want the things that we like Exclusivity and rare and like that. I mean, you guys know how like the, the Hermes purses work, like how that works, you know, if you, if you guys like how you say it.
- [40:35]
Adam Schafer
Hermes.
- [40:36]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [40:36]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [40:36]
Sal DiStefano
I thought it was Hermes Versace, so.
- [40:39]
Doug
I think we're all saying it wrong.
- [40:41]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, yeah. So let's say you want to go buy. Listen, listen.
- [40:44]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
If you don't know how this works, like let. You want to go buy your wife one. One she does. Let's say she's never had one. You want to go buy her one, you go down in the store to go get it. Okay. You don't get to pick the purse. They tell you you can have this one no matter what. I don't care how rich you are, you got to buy this one first.
- [41:00]
Adam Schafer
And how do they just. Oh, wow.
- [41:01]
Sal DiStefano
It's just. Ferrari does the same thing too. You can. I don't care how much money you have, you cannot. Like they just dropped. They released a, a new model, SF90. The SFXX, their version. It's like a million dollar car. You could be worth billions.
- [41:14]
Adam Schafer
So you can't just go buy one.
- [41:15]
Sal DiStefano
You can't just go buy one. You need to have already bought seven other of their models. Seven that they wanted you to buy. I mean, that's an arbitrary number. It's like it's, it's a. Well, it's several. Like you definitely need to. You can't just bought one or two. You got to buy like five to seven of their other models that they wanted you to buy.
- [41:31]
Adam Schafer
Company does that.
- [41:32]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [41:32]
Adam Schafer
So if I walked in there, I'm like, I want to buy one.
- [41:34]
Justin Andrews
Right. I didn't know.
- [41:35]
Sal DiStefano
And people do it and people. And people pay the money and play the game and then it's.
- [41:40]
Adam Schafer
But it's not a lot of people is my point. Most people are.
- [41:43]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, it's enough to prop up those companies to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
- [41:46]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. You know, there's not a lot of those companies.
- [41:48]
Sal DiStefano
I know. But so what my point is though, it just moves down.
- [41:51]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [41:52]
Sal DiStefano
So there, so there'll be that example. So there'll be levels of it. But people will want exclusivity. People will want rarity. People want what they can't have. And, and so what, what AI will do really well is it will, you know, the mass produce. Yeah. It'll mass produce things that everybody can have. And so somebody who wasn't even at the entry level will now be in the entry level. So it'll just move everything down but they'll. And they'll still be the top tier people that will. So like maybe like the Hermes purse goes down a level or two and then there's the next level thing. But that's all it's going to do. I feel like we already have the example now, and it's only going to just gain access for people who couldn't get things before.
- [42:27]
Adam Schafer
Well, the part that's weird, that's going to be crazier for that I think is crazy, is because you guys see how fast clips go viral. Yeah. And before they're. Before people realize they're fake, the damage has been done. That's going to happen faster and faster and faster. They're going to put something out. Oh, my God, look what happened. The president. Oh, my God, look what this person said. Oh, my God, look what's happening. And by the time it comes out that it's not real damage done.
- [42:49]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, but that.
- [42:50]
Justin Andrews
What's the difference?
- [42:51]
Sal DiStefano
But do you believe. So I believe that's true, but I believe that will only last so long.
- [42:56]
Adam Schafer
Because then we're going to be in a place we don't believe anything.
- [42:59]
Sal DiStefano
Exactly.
- [42:59]
Adam Schafer
Well, you know, that's. That's not.
- [43:00]
Sal DiStefano
Well, that or you, like, you're just. I mean, I already catch myself doing this now. So my buddies, we're all on a thread we go back to since high school together so that we always send each other shit like, like, oh my God, check this out. Can you believe this? And I've already watched the evolution of our conversation. If you send me something that's like, kind of crazy, I. First thing you say is like, do you. Did you fact check?
- [43:19]
Adam Schafer
It's like when I thought Eminem released that, that gospel song.
- [43:21]
Sal DiStefano
Yes. How I acted to you right away, I was like, right away, I don't believe you. No, it's not true. And you're like, yes, it is. No, it's not. With that stuff, you need to prove to me. With multiple different places to prove before now I'll believe it. Where that before a guy like you, I'd be like, oh, my God, that's crazy. Like, I believe Sal. Sal's a smart guy. He knows what like, no, it's like now I don't care how smart you are.
- [43:42]
Justin Andrews
Fooled.
- [43:42]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. I'm not going to be fooled by the first thing that someone shows me. And that's. And it's still new enough now that we still get a lot of people.
- [43:49]
Adam Schafer
I feel like what it's going to do is it's because there's going to create a market for an arbitrator of truth.
- [43:53]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [43:53]
Adam Schafer
Which is not good either.
- [43:54]
Justin Andrews
No.
- [43:55]
Adam Schafer
Who's that going to be?
- [43:56]
Sal DiStefano
There's some. Some great big. Some fact checker of some company or.
- [43:59]
Adam Schafer
You have an AI fact checker yourself. But I don't know, man, that's gonna be weird. Speaking of weird, did I ever brought this up before that in Russia, did you know you can pay to get on a boat to go through pirate infested waters?
- [44:13]
Justin Andrews
Oh, yeah. If you're. Yeah, if you're one of the Russian elite, like, you know, I heard that they pay a lot of money to go there to.
- [44:21]
Adam Schafer
And you're armed to shoot. These boats are armed. Like machine guns and stuff. And you drive through pirate infested water.
- [44:27]
Sal DiStefano
See that? Like basically egging them on to try and.
- [44:30]
Adam Schafer
Yes, dude. And then you.
- [44:31]
Sal DiStefano
It's a real thing. Fact check that. I don't know if I believe that.
- [44:34]
Adam Schafer
You'Re so vulnerable, you know, and then.
- [44:36]
Justin Andrews
You have so much.
- [44:37]
Adam Schafer
And then you shoot them.
- [44:39]
Sal DiStefano
You know, that reminds me, that's like. That was. Remember that movie the game where you like put the. They took the, like the homeless people. Put a million dollars on their belt. If you survive, bro.
- [44:47]
Adam Schafer
I look it up.
- [44:48]
Justin Andrews
Russian oligarchs. That's what I heard. Is that was the old people doing this?
- [44:52]
Adam Schafer
I want to say. Yeah.
- [44:53]
Doug
They offer pirate hunting cruises.
- [44:58]
Sal DiStefano
Wow.
- [44:58]
Doug
Like 5,000. $5,800 a day. So they go into the most dangerous waters in the world hoping to be attacked by pirates.
- [45:06]
Sal DiStefano
Is that the like. Is that the ad? Is that the website or whatever? Wow.
- [45:10]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [45:11]
Sal DiStefano
Actually 1500 sounds crazy.
- [45:13]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. But we.
- [45:14]
Doug
That's daily.
- [45:15]
Adam Schafer
But that's got to be some evil. Like you're on board. Like you're a billionaire. I'm bored. What do you want to do? Want to shoot some pirates?
- [45:21]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, shoot some pirates.
- [45:21]
Adam Schafer
Let's go sign up. Up. That's messed up, dude. That's super messed up.
- [45:25]
Sal DiStefano
I mean.
- [45:26]
Adam Schafer
And of course it's Russia. Doug, is there videos of this? I want to see what these look like.
- [45:30]
Doug
Yeah, I'm looking for it.
- [45:31]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [45:31]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, it's kind of like the human version of going hunting for like tigers stuff.
- [45:36]
Adam Schafer
Ah, dude, but they're people.
- [45:37]
Sal DiStefano
I know.
- [45:37]
Adam Schafer
Isn't that wild?
- [45:38]
Sal DiStefano
That's why it's wild that you can do it.
- [45:41]
Adam Schafer
That you can pay to do it. Yeah. And I wonder who. Who pays?
- [45:44]
Justin Andrews
It's like next level from, you know those helicopter tours where they like mow down a bunch of pigs that are like running around properties. These People. These people?
- [45:51]
Sal DiStefano
Well, yeah, and the pigs can fire back. Back. You know what I'm saying? So it's a little more dangerous.
- [45:56]
Adam Schafer
Doug's got a video.
- [45:57]
Doug
Yeah, I don't know if I have a good one.
- [45:59]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I want to see what this looks.
- [46:00]
Sal DiStefano
You should go do it, Doug.
- [46:05]
Doug
Do it for my birthday.
- [46:07]
Sal DiStefano
To do something like that.
- [46:08]
Adam Schafer
Go, Justin.
- [46:10]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [46:12]
Justin Andrews
This evil bastard right here.
- [46:15]
Sal DiStefano
You know what? That's why he knew right away. He's like, I already looked into it. Yeah, yeah. Stays in here.
- [46:23]
Adam Schafer
He's. I can't take much time off work.
- [46:25]
Sal DiStefano
Can you get a video, Doug?
- [46:26]
Doug
I'm not seeing anything.
- [46:27]
Adam Schafer
I don't think they're going to share videos.
- [46:29]
Sal DiStefano
I'm sure they'll pull it off. That's wild. I didn't even know that was a thing.
- [46:32]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it is. God, I gotta, I gotta bring up another one of those studies that annoys me. And so this study, I'll read you the, the, the title, what this guy wrote. Actually, I'll read the title of the study. Internal focus of attention did not change muscle activation and the rate of perceived exertion in bench press exercises in successive training sessions. Okay, say that again, I'll paraphrase. Essentially, concentrating on your pecs while benching doesn't activate them.
- [47:04]
Sal DiStefano
More based on an EMT thing. Right?
- [47:06]
Adam Schafer
Emg. I know, I know it doesn't. It's. This annoys me because it counters decades and decades and decades of training, knowledge and understanding.
- [47:19]
Sal DiStefano
It just confuses the average person.
- [47:21]
Adam Schafer
It does. Because what I'd like to see is. And this is why it's hard to study all you can do, zmg, because what you can't do is study to see if they're getting better results. Because you don't know if those are the results that would have gotten in the first place. You have to have a twin study for this. You'd have to have a twin study where one person does it this way and the other person does it this way. And then let's notice the, you know, the muscle development, you know.
- [47:43]
Sal DiStefano
You want to know something that irritates me since you're bringing up stuff like that.
- [47:45]
Adam Schafer
That irritates you.
- [47:46]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, that irritates and that you pirates and it pairs well. This is a good transition because it talks about. So my brother in law was like, he was like, he thought it was so cool. He sent me. He's like hardcore into using chat GBT right now.
- [47:56]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [47:57]
Sal DiStefano
He's like, just, I told you. He fixed his car. And he's like fascinated, like how accurate it is. So he decides for shits and giggles he'd ask it what the, the number one fitness podcast in the world is or what that. And we pop up, which is cool. But then it also tells you like if you're look what you're looking for and like, you know. Sure, yeah. And then because so we were number one. Number two was model was Sean Stevenson. Number three was actually Vinnie Torch, which I thought that was interesting. And then some of our other friends and people that we know in the space. And then it's like, you know, if you're, if you're a beginner looking for this, if like, like mind pumps great for this and what. We weren't listening. I was offended that we weren't. The top three for this was science based. That just annoys the out of me. I mean there's not an episode that goes by that you don't talk about at least one to three studies and we break them down.
- [48:43]
Adam Schafer
We're not scientists.
- [48:43]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, but that pisses me off. Yeah, I'm annoyed by that.
- [48:46]
Adam Schafer
Whatever.
- [48:48]
Justin Andrews
Rhonda. Patrick, the that they've been saying that.
- [48:50]
Sal DiStefano
We've been saying that for 10 years. Yeah, sure, but we've just. The difference is, is we take a study and then we, we break it apart. For the average person.
- [48:58]
Adam Schafer
I don't care about a study unless I can communicate it in a way that will help someone. And unless it applies to somebody, if it doesn't apply to anybody, why am I going to talk about a dumb study that's going to confuse everybody? Like they have all these, like, they'll talk about like fat oxidation. You know, this study showed that this compound increased fat oxidation by 17. So then they'll do a whole episode or, you know, whoever will do a whole episode on this fat burning compound. Meanwhile, zero studies show that actually causes more fat loss. In fact, studies will show that it causes no additional fat loss. This is why people were all got all confused about ketogenic diets. You know, ketogenic diets increase fat oxidation. Well, yeah, you're running off ketones, but a ketogenic diet with the same calories as a balanced diet with the same calories does not result in more fat loss. We just needed studies later to show that. But they would point out, you know, that kind of data, it's same. It's the same is true for studies on markers of muscle growth and stuff like that. It's like I'm not going to communicate it unless it makes a difference. Has to make a big enough difference. And unless it's something that people are going to do, it's repeatable, it's relatable.
- [50:04]
Justin Andrews
And it's something that you can implement as a daily practice.
- [50:08]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, but, but then it assumes. Or you assume that we're not science based. If we're, if we're the number one.
- [50:15]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [50:16]
Sal DiStefano
And then we're not even in the top three for that category of if what you're looking for. That. That bothers me. That doesn't bother you? It bothers me.
- [50:22]
Adam Schafer
No, it doesn't bother me.
- [50:23]
Sal DiStefano
That bothers you.
- [50:24]
Adam Schafer
Downloads that.
- [50:25]
Sal DiStefano
They do what.
- [50:28]
Adam Schafer
We win.
- [50:31]
Justin Andrews
Let them happen.
- [50:31]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah, but I mean, I think it's even better than just being science based. I mean, I think you. We take the science and we unpack it. For the average person, that's one of.
- [50:40]
Adam Schafer
My favorite guests to have in regards to health and fitness are the scientists who also have a lot of experience working with patients, clients or, or, you know, with people who've worked with them because they always, they understand.
- [50:54]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Human behavior. And that is such a big factor to what they're talking about.
- [50:58]
Adam Schafer
Yes. Because you got to do both. You have to do both in order. Because humans are complex. Like, if it was just about science, fitness would be easy, you guys, it'd be like do this, that and the other. And everybody would do it.
- [51:08]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
- [51:09]
Adam Schafer
It's about human control.
- [51:10]
Justin Andrews
The environment is.
- [51:11]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Humans are complex. We're weird. We don't, don't. We almost never do the right thing for.
- [51:16]
Sal DiStefano
Well, yeah.
- [51:17]
Adam Schafer
Reasons as to why.
- [51:17]
Sal DiStefano
Not to mention that the behavioral psychology part makes up more of it. It's not even. Yeah. It's not even like a, it's not like part of it or a small piece of it. It's like most of it.
- [51:27]
Adam Schafer
You take a, you take a therapist with a lot with, you know, 30 years of experience, and you take a scientist in health and fitness who's never worked with anybody, and you have them both work with people for weight loss.
- [51:37]
Sal DiStefano
Therapists.
- [51:38]
Adam Schafer
Therapists will kick the crap.
- [51:39]
Sal DiStefano
Therapists will do better.
- [51:39]
Adam Schafer
They could know nothing about nutrition, be.
- [51:41]
Sal DiStefano
Given terrible nutrition, and they will roll rock crush.
- [51:45]
Adam Schafer
There are studies on that. No, not pitting them, but there are studies.
- [51:49]
Justin Andrews
But I mean, I would love to.
- [51:50]
Adam Schafer
See that on, on therapy for weight loss. And it's, it produces significant results because that's where.
- [51:56]
Sal DiStefano
Think about it. When we talk about. We communicate this all the time. Most people think when they're, when they're, you know, really, really overweight, unhappy with the way they look, they think getting in shape solves the unhappiness.
- [52:08]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [52:08]
Sal DiStefano
And it doesn't.
- [52:09]
Adam Schafer
No.
- [52:09]
Sal DiStefano
The. The way they look. They. But they believe that. They believe that the way they look in the mirror is the reason why they're unhappy. And the truth is they're unhappy, therefore they look that way.
- [52:18]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [52:18]
Sal DiStefano
And also they have to first get happy.
- [52:20]
Adam Schafer
And the person.
- [52:21]
Sal DiStefano
Then that stuff happens. Which is why the psychologist.
- [52:23]
Adam Schafer
That's right. And it's the proper pursuit of health that results in the improvements in happiness. It's not the. You snap your fingers, make someone look different. There's a very short period of time.
- [52:33]
Justin Andrews
Getting to the end result.
- [52:34]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. There's a very short period of time they feel happier and then it goes away. And it's like, well, what happened? How come not that much happened?
- [52:40]
Sal DiStefano
Well, I'm offended that we're not science based. I am offended.
- [52:45]
Adam Schafer
Aren't you the guy that says that dinosaurs weren't real?
- [52:48]
Sal DiStefano
That's. Hey, that's why we got.
- [52:51]
Adam Schafer
It's your fault.
- [52:52]
Sal DiStefano
It's my fault.
- [52:54]
Justin Andrews
He took us down like five spots.
- [52:59]
Adam Schafer
That's what it is.
- [53:00]
Justin Andrews
We were legit.
- [53:01]
Sal DiStefano
It is my fault. It didn't make sense to me. Like, Sal talks about like three studies a day. How are we not science based?
- [53:06]
Justin Andrews
Well, I have a degree. They don't care.
- [53:08]
Adam Schafer
You're the only one with these. They don't believe in dinosaurs.
- [53:11]
Sal DiStefano
Who were we just talking to?
- [53:12]
Adam Schafer
They.
- [53:12]
Sal DiStefano
They had no idea you and I didn't have our degrees. I was just talking to somebody. Who was that? I wish. I wish I knew who it was. I was. And they were just like, what?
- [53:22]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [53:22]
Sal DiStefano
I had no idea.
- [53:23]
Adam Schafer
I thought you guys used to. No, I used to be insecure about it. Early days as a trainer. And then later it became like it was not a big deal.
- [53:29]
Sal DiStefano
Who cares?
- [53:30]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [53:31]
Sal DiStefano
No.
- [53:31]
Adam Schafer
Anyway, I got to talk about. What's our site, Doug, to apply to be a trainer here. We got. We got to put this out.
- [53:36]
Sal DiStefano
Oh, yeah.
- [53:37]
Adam Schafer
Because our pro. We're hiring trainers. Okay. So if you want to be a trainer for Mind Pump, you want to work here, you got to be here, by the way, and train clients both in person and virtually. We are now looking for trainers. However, I'm going to say this very clear.
- [53:52]
Sal DiStefano
Have to be able to bench press more than Doug.
- [53:55]
Justin Andrews
Good luck with that qualifier.
- [53:58]
Adam Schafer
You. It is not easy to be a trainer here. We will put you through the ringer. There is an internship process and we don't hire just anybody. This is like, if you think you can handle it and you feel like you do a good job by the way, when you get hired here, this is a great place. I mean, our trainers are producing tremendous amounts of revenue, having incredible success, but our vetting process is no joke. But if you think you're up for it, you have a passion for health and fitness, you have tons of integrity and you want to work here and build an incredible career, go to mindpump personal training.com forward slash apply. So mindpump personal training.com apply. And right now this is a bottleneck for us, just to be quite honest. We have obviously because of a huge platform. We need more trainers and we're going slow because we refuse to hire trainers that don't represent us in the best possible way. So to speed this process up, we just need to put more people in front of us. But we're not going to hire just anybody. So CBD isn't that effective unless it's combined with all the other beneficial cannabinoids you'll find in hemp oil. It's true. If you look at the studies, it's the Entourage effect. Ned is the best hemp oil extract product in the world. Go check them out, see for yourself. Take it 45 minutes later, you feel it. Go to helloned.com that's H-E-L-L-O-N-E-D.com. mindpump. Use the code MINDPUMP. Get 20% off. Back to the show.
- [55:25]
Doug
First question is from dad Fit Life. I'm a 35 year old father with two young children. How do I know when to push strength or focus on controlling the weight? I want to build muscle, stay strong and get stronger, but I do not want to injure myself either. So I cannot lift.
- [55:43]
Sal DiStefano
Flaw in that question.
- [55:43]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, what I'm gonna, I'm gonna give general advice. I think it's true for most people is most the time your training looks like cruising and it's interrupted by short periods of sprinting. Okay, so like chasing strength, pushing performance, pushing muscle gain shouldn't be the majority of your year of training because that is. Well, it doesn't result in good, in good results. Typically ends up in injury. Now especially someone like this. How do you know when to do this? When you've got good sleep, diet's great and you feel great, push it, otherwise don't.
- [56:17]
Sal DiStefano
Well, the problem I have with the question is that it's not true. You actually can get really strong focusing and controlling the weight.
- [56:25]
Adam Schafer
Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah.
- [56:26]
Sal DiStefano
I mean, you know, it's not, it's not like either or it's not like, hey, there's times. Because this is what it sounds like to me if someone's asking. There's times where I'm, like, really concentrating on form and I'm going slow. And there's other times I'm just trying to get that weight up. It's like, like. No, like you can get really strong by controlling the weight and going really slow.
- [56:43]
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Slowly.
- [56:44]
Sal DiStefano
And you'll slowly add weight to that bar. Now, could you do that? Could you put more weight on the bar and do it explosively, like, really fast, just so you could say, hey, I. I did 50 more pounds than what I did. Really slow control. But that's not how we measure strength. Like, you.
- [56:58]
Adam Schafer
You.
- [56:58]
Sal DiStefano
That the person who. And again, these aren't, like, even numbers.
- [57:01]
Justin Andrews
But let's say consistency still wins over those influxes of high intensity density and. And lower intensity.
- [57:07]
Sal DiStefano
Yeah. Okay, so, like, okay, who's stronger? The guy who can control four reps really slow and control for 225 or the guy who can press one time 275.
- [57:18]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [57:18]
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
- [57:18]
Sal DiStefano
Who's stronger?
- [57:19]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, the four reps. Right? Yeah.
- [57:21]
Sal DiStefano
So it's. It's like we get caught up in, like, saying that I press 275 and that I'm stronger because I can say that number to my buddies in a circle. But it's like the guy who's controlling 225 for. For four reps, slow and controlled, is stronger than the guy who just pushed out one for 275.
- [57:39]
Adam Schafer
The way I interpret this is. I think what Justin. Is how he interpret it, which is like, when do I train hard and when do I train less hard is what I'm.
- [57:47]
Justin Andrews
That's how I'm reading it.
- [57:49]
Adam Schafer
That's what I think he's saying. Because if he's saying what you're saying, I agree with you, Adam. But if it's. And I think this applies to more people. So if I were to reword this, it would be like, how do I know when to push intensity and when to lay back on intensity? You know, I got two kids.
- [58:02]
Sal DiStefano
That's a better way to ask that.
- [58:03]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. And I'll tell you what. Okay. The. Some of the best trained athletes in the world. Actually, all of the best trained athletes, strength athletes in the world, use periodization. It's scheduled periodization. It's not because they. And this came out of the Soviet Union. I mean, they were crushing Everybody in the 60s and 70s with Olympic lifting, and it's because they did scheduled periodization. And what they would do is use these. For these periods of time we're not training at high intensity. And then for this short period of time we're training at high intensity versus just always see how hard you can go because that's what's going to get you the best results. It doesn't for anybody, anybody. Regardless if you're a dad with two kids or you're a 20 something year old at home with no responsibilities, most of your training like 70%, 80% of your training is kind of cruising. It's those short periods that you push. If you flip that, if you flip that is what most people do. 80% of the time they work out, they're pushing it. And then the 20% they cruise because they're forced to, because they're overtrained or injured or what's going on. And then they go back to the super high intensity.
- [59:09]
Sal DiStefano
Literally.
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Adam Schafer
If you want the best results over time, it's a majority of time you're kind of cruising. I'm not saying you don't do anything. There's some intensity there, but you're not chasing it and going after it 20% of the time.
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Justin Andrews
But it'll reveal it mid set. Right. Like if it's, if you feel like if we're using like the last two reps as the measure and it was just like, so I could do 10 more reps, all of a sudden it just kind of you, you get a feeling you could actually add weight to. So now we just increase the weights subtly and, and we, we just keep it that trajectory.
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Sal DiStefano
Well, we're all saying kind of the same thing, just in a different way too. Even the way I'm communicating my, my point is like, like 80, 90 of the time I'm going real slow, controlling the weight and just kind of slowly getting stronger. Every once in a while I want to test what my one right jumps. Yeah. Just to see like, okay, man, I'm controlling 225. So good. I wonder, can I press 275? Know where your limits are just once in a while. Like very rarely I'm doing that, but most of the time I'm training very slow, controlled and progressively overloading the ball.
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Adam Schafer
And the best progress I ever made was when I felt like I could add had, you know, 50 pounds of the bar. But all I did was go up 10 or 15 pounds over what I was doing previously. I was very controlled. That led to the best long term progress than just going like, oh, I'm gonna go for my max.
- [60:26]
Justin Andrews
Yep.
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Doug
Next question. Is from Kathy Steinhild. When doing Sumo Deadlifts. Deadlifts, rdls. Am I progressing too quickly with the weight because my legs can take it, but my SI joint gets achy, or is there something else at play?
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Adam Schafer
Okay, you. When people say. When she says my legs can take it, but my SI joint hurts, it's because. Yeah, you are going too high with the weight too fast. Your SI joint is the limiting factor here. Now there's. There's more of the story here. So the SI joint, sacroiliac joint, it's right at the pelvis in the back, where the kind of where the hip joint is in the low back. So you'll feel kind of the soreness and, like, one side of your low back. Back. You. This can often get remedied by doing correctional exercise, single leg exercises, lateral strengthening. This is a common issue with people who start to get strong with deadlifts. This is what happened to me. Like, if I got strong with deadlifts and I started feeling my SI joint, I needed. I know I needed to work on my ql. So, like, lateral strengthening, lateral stability. I knew that, you know, okay, I'm gonna go through a period of going lighter, maybe doing single leg exercises. And that usually would solve the issue, but I'd have to stay there for a little while.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. I would. This person, if there's a client, I would put them over to Old Timey or Symmetry.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Sal DiStefano
So. And it should solve this.
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Adam Schafer
That would fix it.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. If you could literally go run a program like Old Timey or Symmetry and just focus on that and then come back to your. Your bilateral RDLs and stuff and see, I bet you that solves this.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. And one of my favorite stories around this is like Justin talks about in his youth when he was trying to bench press, I think was four plates. And you said your shoulder kept hurting. It was always your shoulder. That would limit you.
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Justin Andrews
Yep.
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Adam Schafer
And you did what you did, like a whole season of strengthening your. You're just. Yeah, with rotation.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah, just rotation and. And getting. And expressing all the different movement patterns, you know, so that way, too, it just. It highlighted the instability where. Where I didn't have that control and strength. And so once you kind of reinforce, that allows you to now generate more force, which gets you through that plateau.
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Adam Schafer
And that's how you were able to hit that.
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Justin Andrews
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
Yep.
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Doug
Next question is from Connor Howe Real Estate. Is there such a thing as squatting too deep? I've heard of butt wink, but I'm not sure if that is actually something to worry about.
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Adam Schafer
So any range of motion is too far if you don't have control and stability in that range of motion. So can someone squat too deep? Yeah, if they go beyond what they have control of, and if their stability isn't ideal, then they're squatting too low. Now. Now the answer is to figure out why they become. They get that instability, why they get that muscle recruitment pattern that isn't ideal. Identify, fix that, work on that, and then you're able to squat deeper. But for sure, one of the biggest I've seen so many people hurt themselves because they hear the message of squatting butt to the ground, but they don't have the strength or stability to do so. But they hear that, so they go to the gym and they really get.
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Justin Andrews
All the way zero to super low.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah. And their feet are caving in and they have all these other issues and they're like, I hurt my back at squats. Squats are bad for your back. No, no, no. You just, you, you weren't able to perform those squats in a way that didn't hurt your back. So we got to back off a little bit on your technique and form, maybe have you do a less deep squat and then figure out why.
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Sal DiStefano
I think, I think it's because there's so much controversial information around butt wink is what causes questions like this. In my experience, I've never had a client because there, there's a bit of a. It's natural when you get really, really deep ass to grass where you'll have a little bit natural.
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Adam Schafer
Watch Olympic lifters.
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Sal DiStefano
There's a little bit of a tuck that's natural and it can look like a butt wink just has to be supported. I've never had a client that the butt wink was a problem that also didn't feel it. So typically when you have a butt wink and it's a problem, you feel your low back, your low back feels on fire there because it's the excessive flexing and extending.
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Adam Schafer
It looks like posterior.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. And then you. I used to have this and like, I would do a set of especially high rep squats and I'd be like, oh my God, my low back is on fire. And it's because those erector spinae muscles are on fire from the flexing and extending of the spine. And so there's an issue there. Like, there's an issue I need to address in order to, to gain the, the access to deep. To squat that deep.
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Adam Schafer
Deep.
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Sal DiStefano
But if you squat that deep and you don't feel low Back on fire, you don't feel any problems, you're probably fine. At least in my experience. That's how it's been.
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Justin Andrews
When it's not supported, that force doesn't get distributed down through the rest of your muscles and the major muscle groups in your legs. It. It stops at the. The weakest point. And so if you're unsupported in that position where then you do tuck, like it, all that load, the force from the load is going to direct right in that spot.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. So it'll let you know. Yeah, yeah. If you're. If it's not. If it's excessive and unhealthy, you probably know, at least in my experience.
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Adam Schafer
But what's funny is some of the greatest squatters in the world, Olympic lifters, I mean, they hit the bottom when they do like a snatch or whatever.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
There's butt wink there. They're lifting weights that are unheard of.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah.
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Doug
Next question is from Good Juju Gaines. What's the number one piece of advice you would give to a personal training studio? Wanting to grow and look for good trainers.
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Adam Schafer
All right, I'm going to start with the looking. With the looking to grow part or wanting to grow part. Like, this has got to be the number one. And it was back then when I had a studio, and it's even worse now. The number one missed way that you can grow your studio is go outside and talk to local businesses. Like, people don't do this. They're afraid to. They're afraid to introduce themselves. They don't understand that they need to become the fitness mayor of their community. And especially worse now because there's been so much value placed on social media that personal training studios think it's all about social media. This is how we're gonna build our business. No, if I went into a studio right now and I was hired by the owner and they told me, can you double my revenue in 30 days? I would do zero on social media. Zero. That's not where I would spend my time. I would go outside their studio, I would introduce myself to all the local businesses. I get all the managers and owners in the studio for free workouts, and I would start right there, and before you know it, that would turn into a referral factory. That was the number one and almost only thing I did with my studio when I first opened it, and it was so successful. And it's basic. It just requires a little discomfort. Again, I think people are afraid to go talk to people, but that's the number one thing that's the number one thing. It's always been the number one thing.
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Sal DiStefano
Yeah. I don't think it's far off from my advice. One, it's hard for me to just give one piece. So I apologize because I can ramble with stuff like this because I think there's so many things that you can and should be doing. But the easiest is because what you want is you want to get in front of as many people as you possibly can and you want to make that very easy for them. So doing something that is for free, where you can help somebody and you can scale. So something like a class where. And I love the. And I've, I, I've told all trainers that have followed us, like if you haven't taken my Prime Pro webinar and use that to teach a free class, you're an idiot. It just are, it's like so low hanging fruit. So many people the that will buy personal training are the same people that suffer from chronic pain and have mobility issues. And if you take them through that full mobility webinar, I guarantee in that one first hour they will feel a difference. And it's one hour of your time. And so then I'm going to use Sal's advice. I'm going to all the local businesses and people outside of my gym that are around me and I'm going to offer this free class. And it might look like Every Saturday at 8am I host a free mobility class to help you with chronic pain. That might be how I market it or use it for put on my flyers. And I'm going around and I'm offering that to as many people as I can. And my goal is can I get 30 to 50 people inside my studio that are taking this mobility class for me that gives me the opportunity to impact them in a way where they go wow, that was really helpful. Or why does that feel so much better, Adam? Or what did you just do? So then I can go. I tell you what, I know I have a full class of 50 people right now. Let's book an appointment, you and I, one on one, totally free again where I'm gonna sit down and we'll do a deep dive on just you and I'll do a full assessment and then we'll go from there. And I would just use that as a lead generating machine and I would just go out and get. And then even when I finally moved into social media, that would be the place I funnel people.
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Adam Schafer
That's right.
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Sal DiStefano
On social media.
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Adam Schafer
That's right. That's what you use it for is to support your business, not build it.
- [68:59]
Sal DiStefano
Yes.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, it's. Look, every trainer knows this. The best referrals you'll ever get are from a client that really likes working with you and sees your value like that is. There's nothing like that. You can't pay for that kind of referral. So what if you got. This is what I did. When I first opened my studio, I had like 10 clients. All of them were either managers or owners of local businesses and they all trained with me for free. And I knew I would do a good job. And before I knew it, it was literally weeks before they were sending me customers and referrals and those people knew them would come in and it was.
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Justin Andrews
Like, I'll hire you well over service the current clientele you have.
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Sal DiStefano
Well so to piggyback off of both of what you're saying right now, the tip that I'm giving right now. So let's say you hear this right now you're like, oh that's a good idea. This Saturday I could do that. But oh man, I only have four days to go book that or whatever day this is going live. That's. And you can't get a bunch of people offer it to your current clients already as a free service. So now, so a couple things happen. So I've got, let's say I've got, got 10 or 15 clients I train already. It's like it now becomes a way for me to add value to my current clientele base, which is like when they're all like what now you're gonna.
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Justin Andrews
Do this for your walking billboard?
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Sal DiStefano
Anyway, now I automatically have 10 or 15 people in this class so it doesn't look like I'm talking to myself. Right. And then I encourage them, hey, bring your husband, hey, bring your sister in law that you were talking about, co worker, bring a friend and it's a.
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Adam Schafer
Low barrier, they'll bring him.
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Sal DiStefano
That's right. And so now I get them. So they're loving me because I'm over delivering on my service that they're already currently paying for with me. They already have a relationship with me. So no one's going to sell me better than, than the clients that I'm already servicing. Well, so they're going to bring some of the best leads and then in addition to that I'm going to go out like Sal is saying. And my number first goal before it is to make money is can I load that sucker with 30 to 50 people every Saturday.
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Justin Andrews
And also just the second part of the question is finding good trainers. Like, you know, and this also compliments, like, just kind of going into the quality of, like, what you currently have situated right there. You bring in certifications, you bring in educators, you bring people in to service your current training staff that you have. But also what that does brings outside trainers in. It brings other people's attention into your spot. And so they know that this is the type of quality that we're looking for.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, but here's the real problem. I'll tell you guys, right, 100%, because this was a space I worked in for 15 years. And the issue. Here's what the personal training studio owner wants, and here's what they think they're gonna get. They're gonna get that established trainer with a client base who's training somewhere else to come, bring all their clients to them, and boom, I got this trainer paying rent or whatever.
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Sal DiStefano
No, no, no.
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Adam Schafer
That's not how it works. Here's the problem. The problem isn't finding good trainers. The problem is that personal training studio owners don't mentor trainers. So when a trainer would come to me, I would interview them, and if I said, okay, I like their character, you're gonna.
- [71:44]
Justin Andrews
You.
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Adam Schafer
I would charge rent. You pay rent to train your clients. But here's what we're gonna do. For the first three months, it's half rent. And I'm going to take you under my wing, and I'm going to help you build your business. And I would mentor them for 90 days. And they almost all succeeded. Almost all of them built a client base, and it wasn't a problem. But you have to mentor. The trainers need mentorship. Finding that one trainer who's already successful, who already has a client load, like, and is willing to come over and just move their clients to you, that's like a diamond. That almost never happens.
- [72:13]
Sal DiStefano
Doug, can you look this person up and tell me if they're in our course, too? Because if you. If you're asking questions like this, and you're not, and this is where our entire focus is right now with this business, is servicing personal trainers and people trying to scale and build their business. And so your ass better be in the course, because that's like a. That's obvious. Like, you ask a question like that you need help. Like, that's all. All of our energy is focused right now on helping people. Just like you do exactly what you're trying to do. And so the first step would be get in there and get in a community, because you could also pluck our trainers, we're develop, I mean we got over a thousand trainers in there that we're training, we're developing, we're teaching. And if you, you are listening to this podcast, I imagine that you align with a lot of things that we communicate. So if you got one of these people that we're training and developing and they're in your area, then take them, then get them working.
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Adam Schafer
And again, I think the issue because they're saying good trainers, what they've probably experienced is people, trainers trying to work there and build a business who then.
- [73:04]
Justin Andrews
Follow, they'll take off.
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Adam Schafer
It's a high turnover.
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Justin Andrews
It is.
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Adam Schafer
Trainers have a high turnover rate because they don't have good mentorship. And so if you want to fix that, that when they come in your studio, it's your job as a studio owner. I'm going to mentor this person. I would literally go out and help them get leads. I would help them set up body fat test booths. I would do tos for them to help sell training. I was like, I'm going to build this person's business and mentor them so they could be a good trainer in my facility.
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Sal DiStefano
Get in the course.
- [73:31]
Adam Schafer
That's it. Look, if you like our podcast, you got to come find us on Instagram. Justin is @mindpumpjustin. I'm @mindpump distefano. Adam is a mind pump out.
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Doug
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