2674: Top 10 Addictive Foods You Can't Stop Eating & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Summary

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2674 — Top 10 Addictive Foods You Can't Stop Eating & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Date: August 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, the Mind Pump crew dives deep into the science and real-life impact of the Top 10 Most Addictive Foods, unpacking why certain foods light up our brains and sabotage weight loss efforts. The team dissects the engineering behind “hyper-palatable” processed foods and discusses the pitfalls of strategies like IIFYM ("If It Fits Your Macros").

After the main discussion, the hosts shift to real-time coaching, answering listener questions about overtraining, personalized workout programming, nutrition for prediabetic clients, and career development for new trainers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. The Top 10 Most Addictive Foods: Why You Can't Stop Eating Them

• Defining “Addictive Foods”
  Highly engineered, ultra-processed foods that overstimulate the brain’s reward centers, making portion control nearly impossible.
  Sal: “These foods are so well engineered that they just encourage you to eat more and more and more." [03:23]

• The "Video Game" Analogy
  Sal: "When you’re eating these foods, you’re selecting extreme expert hard mode [for weight loss].” [05:40]

• Why Processed Foods Are Addictive

  • Palatability triggered by the perfect mix of sugar, salt, fat, and engineered texture, smell, and crunch.
  • Food scientists from tobacco corporations perfected this art: crunch, mouthfeel, aftertaste—all purposefully designed.
  • Satiety is sabotaged: people consistently eat hundreds more calories in chips or fries than in their fresh versions.

The List:

1. Potato Chips

   • Engineered for crunch, salt, fat. "The fact that the number one chip company in the world advertised 'Bet you can’t eat just one'…that was their marketing campaign." — Adam [07:21]

2. Ice Cream

   • Sugar, fat, cold creamy texture.
   • Adam shares: “I could 100% sit down and eat a whole court [quart]...and I know the sick is coming, but the going down part is so good. I accept it. That's how crazy it is.” [11:25]
   • Ice cream as a social/family event, but also deeply personal for some.

3. Pizza

   • Carbs/fat/salt, strong social component.
   • Sal: “Pizza is the number one food that bodybuilders...will desire right after a contest.” [13:48]

4. Chocolate

   • Powerful emotional/nostalgic pull for some, especially with socialization or self-soothing.
   • Sal: “It has zero pull on me...my wife, it’s so powerful it’s my back pocket hack.” [14:42]
   • Dark chocolate seen as a “better” choice—less likely to lead to binging.

5. Cookies

   • Especially powerful triggers for kids; can provoke tantrums when limited.
   • “If we give them cookies…it’s gonna start a tantrum. There is no amount that will satisfy them.” — Sal [17:10]
   • “Healthy” cookies or snacks are sometimes an even bigger trap. — Adam [17:31]

6. French Fries

   • Highly addictive, particularly for the hosts.
   • Sal:"If I was trying to get leaner, I just wouldn’t be around French fries. It’s just too much of a temptation." [18:51]

7. Soda

   • Sugar and carbonation: “One of the worst inventions ever.” — Sal [19:53]
   • Cultural shift in Mexico: Sodas went from rare to every meal—leading to an obesity epidemic. [20:43]

8. Candy

   • Childhood nostalgia, family patterns build lifelong cravings.
   • Adam: “There’s this part of also seeing grandma and that part and doing that…relationship I had with her…that’s part of why I have such a [candy] craving.” [28:40]

9. Donuts

   • Social/nostalgic, but with unique gut-wrecking powers.
   • "Donuts are so just terrible for you—and it’s a breakfast food!” — Sal [29:44]

10. Cake

    • Emotional eating, special occasions, sometimes solo indulgence (Adam admits to buying cake for himself). [30:29]

Summary Insight:
It’s not just about willpower. Highly processed foods are built to override hunger and satisfaction mechanisms. The crew urges listeners: “Avoiding these foods means you're going to eat a more appropriate amount of calories.” [03:10]

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II. Diet Strategies: The Downside of IIFYM and “Cheat Meals”

• IIFYM ("If It Fits Your Macros") Problems:

  • Encourages building junk foods into your diet plan, not just for flexibility but as a “regular” occurrence.
  • Regular exposure makes weight loss “expert hard mode.”
  • Adam: “Trying to build [junk foods] into a structured diet on a consistent basis is a failing strategy.” [05:23]

• "Cheat Meals" and Neural Networks:
  Cheat meals reactivate cravings and make habit change harder. If you abstain longer, the cravings can weaken.

  • “The initial stage is the most difficult, but the further you get from it, the neural networks start to…lose their pull on you.” — Sal [19:20]

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III. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On food engineering:
  Sal: "Food scientists…came from the tobacco industry…they bought food companies, and they started engineering food and really figured out the science of palatability…” [07:36]

• On introducing kids to sweets:
  Adam: “...you are introducing them to these addictive foods so early, and you’re shaping that.” [10:32]

• Social eating:
  Adam: “Going to the ice cream shop is like an event…family, group.” [13:27]

• On soda sizes:
  Adam: “It's a gallon cup...It’d be interesting to see if this has changed, but [AMPM’s] largest fountain cup…is a gallon.” [21:51]

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IV. Listener Q&A and Live Coaching

1. Overtraining vs. Under-Recovery and Low Testosterone

[58:03–64:20]
Caller: Jack from England
Key Advice:

• Signs point to under-recovery and too-aggressive dieting—not true overtraining.
• Single-digit body fat is not optimal for most men; raises risk of hormonal disruption.
• “Stay on this path…when the weight gain stops, bump your calories another 200–300.” — Adam [62:28]
• Supplement with Vitamin D (especially in the UK).
• “Natural male testosterone is very reactive…loss of sleep, overtraining, too much stress will cause it to plummet.” — Sal [63:14]

2. Best Training Program for an Aging Surfer

[65:38–71:50]
Caller: Scott from Texas, age 57
Key Advice:

• MAPS 15 Performance is perfect—allows in-and-out-of-season flexibility, focuses on mobility, injury prevention, joint health.
• During “surfing season,” treat yourself like an athlete in-season—emphasize recovery and stability; build muscle in the off-season.
  • “When you are surfing as much as you are, we would treat you like an in-season athlete. The goal is actually to just to not get injured.”—Adam [68:28]
• Concierge program recommended for custom tweaking as seasons/training shift.

3. New Trainer Helping a Pre-diabetic, Overweight Client

[72:46–91:43]
Caller: Georgia from Illinois, aspiring trainer
Scenario:

• Client is overweight, prediabetic, has knee pain, and dubious advice from current trainer (e.g., “never let your heart rate drop,” “ignore pain”).
• Georgia is worried about providing accurate and safe advice given her inexperience.

Key Coaching:

• Leverage Mind Pump’s resources and expert episodes as your authority: “When you’re building your authority … use us as the authority. …share clips that directly address her situation.” — Adam [75:40]
• Progress slowly—don’t overwhelm; celebrate wins (even recognizing emotional eating is a win).
• Nutrition advice can and should stick to basics: “As long as … she feels good, you’re probably moving in the right direction.” — Sal [81:14]
• If a task is too much (e.g., journaling), scale back the assignment.
• Address emotional eating with grace, not shame: “Your goal as a trainer is to make the person feel like they can come to you with it.” — Sal [84:39]
• Focus on small, sustainable changes and being present for client support.

Community & Course Info:

• Georgia encouraged to join Mind Pump’s trainer community for ongoing support and to consider their business-focused trainer course for career development.
• Sal: “You have to care more about the client than the results to truly be effective.” [93:14]

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V. Other Noteworthy Segments

• Gut Health & Supplement Advice:
  Sal discusses his personal, consistent benefits from Seed probiotic—recommends listeners evaluate supplements by trialing periods off and on. [31:47–33:48]

• Organifi Sleep Product:
  Hosts discuss natural alternatives for sleep aid—highlighting melatonin-free, plant-based options and the importance of occasional use only. [47:19–48:49]

• Biggest Loser Documentary Reaction:
  Hosts share their criticisms of the show’s approach: extreme methods, disregard for metabolic health, reliance on shame and drama, long-term weight regain and client damage.
  Sal: “It literally set us back, like, decades in terms of the public’s understanding of what it is to get in shape.” [51:29]

• Investing Side-Tangent (Bitcoin, Real Estate):
  Brief, candid reflection on missed financial opportunities, the psychology of investing, and the rise of shared home investing and institutional home-buyers. [38:21–47:17]

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Time-stamped Highlights

| Time | Segment / Key Point | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:23 | Sal explains why processed foods are addictive | | 05:40 | "Hard mode" – making weight loss much harder by including addictive foods | | 07:36 | Food engineers’ tactics and legacy from tobacco industry | | 11:25 | Adam confesses to out-of-control ice cream cravings | | 13:48 | Sal on pizza’s social draw and popularity post-competition | | 18:51 | Sal’s inability to control himself around French fries | | 19:53 | Sal’s take on soda as a “worst invention ever” | | 28:40 | Adam on nostalgia and candy cravings | | 51:29 | Sal slams The Biggest Loser's impact on fitness culture | | 58:03 | Listener coaching: Jack (Overtraining & Testosterone) | | 65:38 | Listener coaching: Scott (Surfer programming) | | 72:46 | Listener coaching: Georgia (New trainer, prediabetic client) | | 89:28 | Sal on realistic, incremental progress for tough cases | | 93:14 | Sal on the importance of prioritizing clients over “results” |

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Final Thoughts

This is an essential listen (or recap) for anyone who struggles with food cravings or wants to understand how food industry engineering stacks the deck against health. The hosts’ blend of science, personal anecdotes, and actionable advice provides both eye-opening education and hope for managing one’s environment—and supporting clients—effectively.

The episode is also a clinic in how to support clients compassionately, especially for new trainers reluctant to trust their own authority, and in tackling the social, psychological, and physiological dimensions of fitness.

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Find the Mind Pump hosts:
Instagram @mindpumpmedia, @mindpumpsal, @mindpumpadam, @mindpumpjustin, @mindpumpdoug
Learn more: mindpumppodcast.com

Transcript

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[Sal]

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[Adam]

This is not a Rice Krispie treat. I know.

[Sal]

That's a protein bar. I know.

[Adam]

It looks like a rice number seven.

[Sal]

Meanwhile, sorry, I started before you finished your book. That's right. It's all right.

[Adam]

No, this is a good one. I like this.

[Sal]

This is good. So these. I did a little research and I looked up the food and I agree with this list. I looked up the top 10 foods that the studies and data shows that are the most addictive. And now what does that mean? What it means is that these foods are so well engineered that they just encourage you to eat more and more and more. In other words, put it differently, these foods trying to eat the right amount of calories. With these foods, if you actually hit the right amount of calories, you're going to still feel hungry. You're still going to have this really strong unsatisfied temptation to continue eating. So it's going to white knuckle this entire process, avoiding these foods and foods like them. Because it's not just these foods, right? But foods like these foods. Avoiding them means you're gonna eat a more appropriate amount of calories. Because I think there's this myth out there that if we just are left to our own devices, we'll just overeat like crazy. That's only true with certain types of foods. And they tend to be the processed, engineered variety. They're literally designed to do that. So stay away from these. Just take these out of your diet. Otherwise, losing weight is going to be a ridiculous uphill battle.

[Adam]

You know, if. Unless you've been listening to the show since its early inception, you may have not heard us talk specifically about Iifym.

[Sal]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

When we first started, this was one of the. The hard stances that we took.

[Sal]

If it fits your macros.

[Adam]

Yeah, that took. That caused a lot of controversy because at that time, Iifym was like the. Just everybody was doing it. It was the talk in the fitness space. In fact, there was a lot of Instagram pages you guys remember, talk about that were pizza. Yeah. They were blowing up. That were, you know, these people that were showing eating stuff like cereal and pizza as their main. Their main meals and still losing weight. And to prove that point, and we were kind of screaming like, yeah, not a good idea. And I remember we caught a lot of flack for that, but for these reasons, because it's not that you can't do if it fits your macros, and it's not that some people have done that and had success with weight loss. It's just that it. It is a terrible strategy to intentionally include these foods on a regular basis. Now, what I'm not saying there is that you should demonize food and you should never have anything off this list.

[Sal]

Just be aware.

[Adam]

But trying to build them into a structure, a diet on a consistent basis is a failing strategy.

[Sal]

That's right. So if it fits, your macros essentially turned into if it fits within your caloric and macro targets, go ahead and eat it.

[Doug]

What junk can I fit in my diet?

[Sal]

That's right. So here's the deal. I'm going to use a video game analogy because I think a lot of people get this now. You're going to go through this game and let's just say the game is called weight loss. And the goal is, at the end of this game, I lose my weight, a desired weight, and I keep it off for the rest of my life. That's how I beat the game. And there's four levels that I could choose from. There's like super easy mode, and then the hardest level is like Extreme Expert hard mode. When you're eating these foods, you're selecting extreme expert hard mode. Yeah. So if you want to lose weight and you know what your calories are supposed to be in your macros are supposed to be, and you're like, you know what? Losing weight isn't hard enough. I want to make this as hard as possible on myself. Yeah, go ahead and throw these foods in there.

[Adam]

Which, by the way, that doesn't sound true, Sal. That sounds counterintuitive because you're. You're saying that, you know, these are foods I love and I, you know, get. I want to be able to include them in.

[Sal]

That's why it's so hard. They make you overeat. Yeah, they absolutely make. So we'll start with the first one. Okay. The most addictive food, according to the data. And of course, there's individual variants. So this may not be true for you, but generally speaking, it's potato chips. Now this is true for me. If I have potato chips in front of me, I will eat them until they're gone. I don't eat until anything else. It's until they're gone. And you guys have seen this. We've done this before. We've gone on trips and I'll buy a bag of chips and it's that bag is what I end up eating.

[Doug]

I mean, you could classify like tortilla chips in there as, well, any kind of like, chip and that, like Doritos or anything else too, because it's just like, it's so impossible to just eat a few of those and feel like, oh, I, I feel good. I'm, I'm done.

[Adam]

The fact that the number one chip company in the world advertised in your face about it is comical when you think about, I bet you can't just eat one like that. That was their mark. That was their marketing campaign. Bet you can't eat just one. Yeah.

[Sal]

Like, yeah. So dare you user. Now, palatability is, it's kind of classified or, or defined as the enjoyment you get from eating something. And we can loosely, basically define it as like, the ingredients of palatability are sugar, salt and fat. Those are the general ingredients. So a good mix of those will increase the pleasure of eating something. But it's not just those. It gets way more complex. And food scientists, which by the way, came from the tobacco industry, there's a whole history of this. They, like addictive experts, moved into the food industry when the tobacco industry started getting regulated. So they hedged their bets and bought some of the biggest corporate purchases ever. At the time were tobacco companies buying food companies, and they started engineering food and really figured out the science of palatability. So it's like the crunch, the mouthfeel, the residue it leaves, the smell, the aftertaste. And they put together this incredible formula. And so potato chips seem to possess this formula. And it shows. The studies will show people will eat 5 to 600 more calories of potato chips than equal calorie potatoes. So in other words, making it a chip and salting it and frying it 5 to 600 calories more, meaning the same satiety level. So if I ate potatoes and I ate till I was full versus potato chips until I ate, I was full until I ate, until I was full. There's a 600 calorie difference there. And I would argue probably even more with some people. With me, it's like Thousands of calories.

[Doug]

You know, I just realized, you know, because you mentioned the tobacco companies, like, Cool Ranch Doritos are basically the menthol.

[Sal]

Chips.

[Adam]

What?

[Doug]

Menthol cigarettes. Oh, my God. It gives you that, like, nice aftertaste.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Those are the worst.

[Doug]

I'm sure they figured that one.

[Sal]

Those are the worst. All right, the next food on here. This is Adam's kryptonite.

[Adam]

Is my kryptonite.

[Sal]

Ice cream. Ice cream is on there.

[Adam]

Beautifully engineered.

[Sal]

Yeah. Rich.

[Adam]

And sugar, salt, fat, sweet. They did it. They got. They got it all.

[Sal]

It also's got. Yeah, it's got the mouth feel and the texture and the coldness. I'll give you an example of palatability. Think of the texture, flavor, and everything of ice cream. But now imagine if it was warm, the palatability drops. Or imagine it was the same, except it was kind of clumpy. Palatability drops. Or imagine it was a weird color, like a black than the. Than the palate. So. So you can start to see now how these things come together to create the perfect storm.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

And the studies on ice cream are incredible with the dopamine response. My favorite studies are the ones that show, like, the brain when people eat, like, ice cream, and then a brain when they do cocaine. And it looks really similar. But I don't like those studies, because if you've ever done cocaine, you know that it's way different than ice cream. But it does show that there's something going on with the addictive properties that. I mean, like, a drug.

[Adam]

To me, like, I can't help. But as you go through these and we talk about this, the thing that I think hits home for me the most is being a dad and a parent now, like, introducing all these things to our kids, which we. We tend to celebrate as this fun thing that we want to do and everybody want. And you just, like, want to give these. It's like, man, you are introducing them to these. These addictive foods so early. And they're little. They're little palates that have never, like, been formed. Like, and you're shaping that.

[Sal]

Their brain gets shaped.

[Adam]

Yes. And I. Because of my pool, to sweets and ice cream. Like, I guess maybe it weighs on me way more that I'm like, I don't. I don't want my kids to have to fight that. Like, that urge is like, are you like, potato chips?

[Sal]

Like, if there's, like, a. Like, a favorite ice cream of yours, and if there's a whole pint or whatever in front of you, do you just eat it?

[Adam]

I. Yeah, I 100% could sit down and eat a whole, Whole court. I can eat the whole huge one.

[Sal]

So you feel sick?

[Adam]

Yes, I. And, And I know the sick is coming, but the going down part is so good. I accept it. That's how, that's how crazy it is.

[Doug]

That's the consequences.

[Adam]

It's crazy. And, you know, it's something that, again, I mean, we laugh about, we joke about, it's funny. And obviously I've been able to keep it in check or else I wouldn't. Like.

[Sal]

You just don't buy it.

[Adam]

Yeah, exactly. That's. I have to. Or, or I allow it, like, sometimes, and then I just. Okay, then I just can't be around for another long period of time off of what I'm doing training wise and stuff. But I, I mean, I don't, I don't even want that pool for my kid. Like, I don't want him to feel that same pool to it. I, I hope. I want him to have a relationship with it. Like my wife has, where it can be in the freezer and my wife can come over and have a tablespoon of it and then not think about it. Like, I have a tablespoon of it. The rest of the night I'm thinking about it. Like, that's the power it has.

[Doug]

You know, I end up just eating my kids. You know, I don't even buy it for myself. I'll just like, okay, I'm just gonna take the dad tax and take some of theirs.

[Sal]

So you. So what you're doing is you're like, I'm not buying this for me.

[Doug]

It's not for me.

[Sal]

But when they get it, then I'll.

[Doug]

Eat most of this.

[Sal]

Then I'll eat it. Yeah.

[Doug]

Responsible thing to do.

[Sal]

My dad used to that, like, ice cream man came, he would buy us all popsicles. Yeah. And he would always take a bite out of it. And he would. I mean, he would always eat half with a bite. It was always the biggest bite ever. I'm like, for sure you, you did that on purpose to get as much as you possibly could. All right, next up is pizza. Oh, pizza is definitely there. It's crazy, my homie. Here's what's interesting about pizza. Some foods naturally include. Tend to include a social component. Pizza tends to be one of these. Now you can eat a pizza by yourself. That's when things get real sad. But oftentimes pizza is a food that you eat with other people. And studies will show that social eating also can increase.

[Adam]

Oh, I didn't even think about that. As you go through these. I would actually. Potato chips and ice cream kind of in there too.

[Sal]

They could be, but I'll eat shapes.

[Adam]

There's a lot of people, like, I'll sadly like going to. Like going to the ice cream shop is like an event.

[Sal]

True.

[Adam]

You know, there's a family. You go. Or is a group.

[Sal]

Now what I'd like to add to that, though, is if you only ever eat these foods in really good, connected social settings, you're probably okay. It's usually when they're doing it on their. Most people aren't going out every day and eating this way. Right.

[Doug]

Eat a whole pizza to your head by yourself.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Doug]

That's a little sad.

[Sal]

Pizza is the number one food that bodybuilders or physique competitors or bikini competitors will desire right after a contest. It's the number one food. Oh, really? Yeah. When they do polls like, what are you gonna eat right afterwards? It's like pizza across the board.

[Adam]

That's probably just because how carb heavy it is.

[Sal]

And sodium.

[Adam]

Yeah, carb. You're right.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

That makes a lot of sense. Because the carbs, I mean, that just goes to show you too, how powerful our body lets us know of, like what you're depriving it of.

[Sal]

Yes.

[Adam]

It's like that is the food that I want.

[Sal]

What's that disorder that. Where people where women were eating, like paint off the walls because they. They did. They needed a nutrient or something. Yeah. Well, that would.

[Doug]

That's usually referring some kind of clay in the soil, but it's the same term.

[Sal]

Isn't that weird?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

They were deficient.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Craving. The next food on here is chocolate. This one has zero pull on me. I don't care about chocolate.

[Adam]

Yeah, me too.

[Sal]

Bother me whatsoever. My wife. Oh, my God. In fact, it's so powerful. It is my back pocket hack. If she's upset with me that I buy her some chocolate now, do you.

[Doug]

Also think that this must be my feminine trait?

[Adam]

Do you think that's because like the iron and like her. Her natural.

[Sal]

No, she just has a relationship with that she's developed since she was a kid. She just loves chocolate. Doug.

[Doug]

Doug loves a big chocolate guy.

[Sal]

Yeah. You and Doug both like, look, he's got it right here.

[Adam]

Yeah, I like.

[Doug]

Yeah, I like it. I mean, it's mainly in combination with peanut butter. I don't really like separating the two.

[Sal]

It's. It's a marriage.

[Doug]

It has to be together.

[Sal]

I've seen Justin Can I just write you a little. I've seen him before. It's all right. I do stuff.

[Doug]

It's fine.

[Sal]

Literally. A jar of Skippy with chocolate.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam]

Skippy.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So bad. Like it's so processed, but it's, it's delicious.

[Adam]

I actually thought I've. I have found. Because I, I don't have a pool for chocolate either, but dark chocolate does satisfy a craving for me that I can control. So my Doug is actually a little bit than you're. Yeah. I never was a dark chocolate eater until Doug and I started what I found about it that I, I could, I could see why maybe he has this pool. I don't know, speaking for him, but I know that like there's times where I have like that ice cream or that sweet tooth pool and if I just go have a piece of dark chocolate, it, it seems to satisfy that and not make me want to binge more. Is that. Do you have a relationship with it?

[Sal]

Exactly.

[Adam]

Yeah. I find.

[Justin]

So if I want sweets, I take a piece of dark chocolate. Maybe I'll have two, but that's enough.

[Sal]

Yeah, it's super.

[Adam]

Like it's the only, it's the only candy or sweet that actually I'll put the more than half of it back in the freezer.

[Sal]

It's low sugar though. The one that does.

[Justin]

Very low.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah, I do, I do. Like the 89 or 90 something cacao.

[Sal]

Or whatever is that. Yeah.

[Justin]

The whole bar has around 8 grams of sugar. No, the whole bar. 11 grams of sugar.

[Sal]

The whole bar. The whole bar. So that's not like the kind of. Yeah, that's not like candy candy, you know?

[Adam]

No, I know. That's my, that's my point though is I'm, I'm, I'm actually a fan of dark chocolate as a way to help somebody curb their sweet tooth because I struggle with that.

[Sal]

It would be interesting to see how much people overeat like the traditional milk chocolate candy, like chocolate versus like the dark, dark chocolate. I bet.

[Justin]

I'm sure it's quite dramatic.

[Sal]

Big difference. Big difference.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

All right, next up is cookies. Cookies makes the list. I think that's yours, Justin. Right. You're on there with cookies. Yeah.

[Doug]

You're just attacking me.

[Sal]

No. No list cookies for me. Don't. Don't have that big of a poll. It's not that big of a deal to me. My kids with cookies are. They'll fight and cry. We don't. If we give them cookies. Yeah. It's going to start a tantrum. There is no amount that will satisfy them. I've done this before where I buy a little like the healthier cookies and I'll give it to them and then all day long they're just ungrateful.

[Doug]

I can't have them in the house.

[Adam]

Can I just say, too, since you brought up healthier cookies, I even think that like, the healthier sweet treats are almost a bigger trap. Because then you go down the justification of like, like, I just did this like that Skinny Pop bullshit.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

I eat the whole bag.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Because I'm flipping around like, oh, this is not bad at all. So then it's like. And you just can't. It's so light.

[Sal]

It's half the calories.

[Adam]

Yeah, yeah. And it's less filling. So it's like, it's so light. And the next thing you know it's like, oh, I ate the whole bag. So I should have just got the 800 calorie popcorn.

[Sal]

Anyway, next up is four french fries. This is me right here. You guys have seen me firsthand. Just personal trait, 100%. This is true.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You know, my bag fries.

[Sal]

We're in California and in California you have In N Out. A lot of In n outs here. And sometimes we'll go to In N Out with the kids. They love it there. They can act crazy and loud. It's not a big deal. So sometimes we'll take them there and I'll do like the protein style burgers. I don't typically eat the bun, but I'll order. And I'm not exaggerating. Three or four fries and I'll eat my kids, no problem. In fact, I will eat all the fries. Doesn't matter how many you order. I've done this before. Right. Let me get four of these and I'll eat them all. And then my kids don't want theirs and I'll eat it all. And I feel terrible. Again, I think it's really important to know yourself and your weaknesses. Because for me, if I was trying to get leaner, I just wouldn't be around French fries. It's just too much of a temptation, too difficult.

[Adam]

Well, this is why, again, this is why I'm not a fan of the Iifym is because when these foods that were admittedly we're going down and all admitting the pool that has on us, like, you include that in the diet and it just, to your point, makes it hard mode.

[Sal]

Yep.

[Adam]

It's like, you know, if you, if you eliminate it for weeks, you. You lose a lot of times that craving.

[Sal]

Good point.

[Adam]

You introduce.

[Sal]

Neural networks weaken.

[Adam]

Yes, big time. Yeah, it might be hard for the first couple weeks, but then once you get past this couple weeks, the pool is not.

[Sal]

It's like any other addictive habit. The initial stage is the most difficult, but the further you get away from it, the neural networks start to we. Because neurons that fire together wire together. The opposite is also true. And you start to. It starts to lose its pull on you. Now you reintroduce it. You strengthen it again. You keep.

[Adam]

So that's why, that's why the, the idea of the. The cheat meal or cheat day every week was just such a terror. I was not a strategy I used in bodybuilding. It was just like, I'm just going to try and be dialed as long as I possibly can and you know, if something happens, it happens. But scheduling it every week, I felt like was just setting myself up for a trap.

[Sal]

Now, next up is soda, I believe soda number one. In my opinion, this has to be one of the worst inventions ever. By the way, the history of soda is really interesting.

[Doug]

This is the worst.

[Sal]

The original soda, okay. When it was first created, it started with carbonated water and all these medical claims that carbonated water solved all these things. In fact, they were sold like, like doctors and medical professionals would sell this and then they would add syrup to it to flavor it. And again, there were medical claims with this. This is how soda started. And then soda started getting sold to the public and the serving sizes were tiny. I don't know if you guys ever seen like, what McDonald's would serve when they first opened for a regular soda. It would qualify as a shot glass today in comparison to what we.

[Adam]

Yeah, the, the large back then is smaller than the small.

[Sal]

That's right.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

It was like a taste. It was like a taste. Soda is so bad. Some experts are. Would place the blame on Mexico's exploding obesity rate. Mexico went from having a. No, like really low obesity rate to this rapid, rapid growth of obesity. And they were like, what is going on? And what it was was that the traditional, you know, Mexican family was not having soda at dinner. And then it suddenly turned into soda with every single meal. Their soda consumption being some of the highest in the western hemisphere. And it was. And so they're like, this is, this is largely.

[Doug]

I mean, it's crazy that I don't have as much pull to that because my dad and my brother both, we would stop before going anywhere, church, anything to 711 and get big Gulps, Super Big Gulp, double Big Gulps. And they. And they like continued that for years. And I was in, of course, you know, led to diabetes and it's. It's just. It was just a recipe I saw right in front of me for disaster.

[Adam]

Have you guys seen the. I. I took a picture that long time ago. It's been a while. So I have no idea if this. Be interesting to see if this has changed, but am PM's largest. Oh, have you ever seen it before? It's a. It's a gallon cup.

[Sal]

Oh, my God.

[Adam]

Look up, look up, look up.

[Sal]

Wait, hold on. He just looked something up. Look at this. Mexico has the highest per capita consumption of Coca Cola globally consuming the average of seven hundred eight ounce servings annually. This. Yeah, this high consumption.

[Adam]

Wait, wait, seven hundred eight ouncers annually. So that means they're doing two. Two a day.

[Sal]

On average.

[Adam]

On average.

[Sal]

And I'm telling you right now, you.

[Adam]

Guys, that's the crazy thing. The average is doing two Cokes a day.

[Sal]

That's Coke. It's not even adding all your stuff. I'm telling you guys right now. If you look at Mexico, I don't remember what the years were, but it's.

[Adam]

Like the 1970s when Coke got introduced. There it goes right with it.

[Sal]

And it was. It wasn't. Now they eat a lot of processed foods too, but at first it was like traditional Mexican food and then just soda all the time, and it exploded their obesity. Anyway, what were you asking for the.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. AMPM's largest Big Gulp. What is it called?

[Justin]

Double Gulp. 64 ounces.

[Adam]

No, no, no, no.

[Sal]

Even bigger than that.

[Adam]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, it gets.

[Sal]

No, no, they have a. They have a double X go down.

[Adam]

Yeah, it gets way.

[Sal]

They have an amp, double X large fountain cup. 50.

[Justin]

See if I can find that.

[Adam]

It gets definitely bigger than that.

[Sal]

Did they take it out? Maybe they took it out because of backlash.

[Adam]

I've seen, I've seen. There. There's one right there to the left.

[Doug]

Like a gallon mug. Oh, my God.

[Sal]

Yeah. You know what? Okay, so just to.

[Adam]

Yeah. How many ounces are in a gallon?

[Justin]

So there's 16 ounces per gallon.

[Sal]

No, no, no, no. Sixteen ounces, not a gallon. I mean.

[Adam]

Sorry.

[Sal]

Six.

[Adam]

How many ounces are in a gallon?

[Sal]

That's wrong. Sixteen pounds per. Nobody. Just Google it. Whatever. We have all the. Yeah, okay, I'm off, I'm off. Yeah, there's a guy.

[Adam]

I made it.

[Sal]

Yeah, yeah, look it up. But 64.

[Adam]

I forgot. What the. So that one. That one's not the exact one, but it's the size of the one I'm talking about. And it had a name.

[Sal]

I think they got rid of it, bro.

[Adam]

Did they?

[Sal]

I think they got rid of it because of backlash.

[Justin]

So there's 16 ounces per pound. That's what I meant.

[Sal]

Yeah, but we don't want that. And 8.

[Justin]

8 pounds per gallon, right?

[Sal]

No, no, Doug, you just. Just Type this in.

[Justin]

128 ounces, huh? 128.

[Adam]

So it's a half a gallon. Half gallon in one drink.

[Doug]

You see that? They actually took that off of the options for, like, food stamps.

[Sal]

Oh, yeah.

[Doug]

Soda. And that's. That cause a bit of a rift.

[Sal]

Of course. Yeah. They don't. People like to be.

[Doug]

People love their soda.

[Sal]

I get it.

[Adam]

Oh, I didn't know that was taken off completely.

[Sal]

And lots of. Lots of other processed foods.

[Adam]

You guys pro or for that?

[Sal]

I, I, you know, I don't like people being controlled. But you're in a system. I mean, giving you free stuff.

[Doug]

It's free stuff.

[Adam]

What are you gonna do?

[Doug]

I. I mean, I'm all for it.

[Sal]

Yeah. It'll improve people's health unless they figure.

[Adam]

Out, honestly, why not go all the way? You're giving free food. Why we should be all healthy food?

[Doug]

Yeah, well, they're. I mean, you go in that direction.

[Sal]

You know, not to get sidetracked here, but the problem with quote, unquote healthy food is the shelf life. So when you have a lot of these families, what will happen is they'll buy the healthy food, but it goes bad before they can eat it because of work situations, whatever the situation is at home. So processed foods can be very attractive.

[Adam]

I feel like that's such a terrible. That's just terrible.

[Sal]

You have to shop every day. You know that.

[Adam]

I mean. Yeah. I mean, I was somebody who. We. We got these, you know, we did the. The. What do you call them? The. They call them food stamps. No, no. Oh, wait. We had food stamps too. But they did what they're called, like, food cabinets or whatever, where you can go get. Where you go wait in line and you can get a free box of food or whatever. But it is. It's always super processed. Well, what's.

[Sal]

Because they store it. That's what I'm saying.

[Adam]

Yeah. That's what. What makes sense is the. That the people that are donating it to give it. To give it away, they have to store it.

[Sal]

It's just so ineff. Were going with fresh foods and government was providing it. There would be so much waste because it would go Bad.

[Doug]

Yeah, I get that.

[Sal]

That's the problem. That's the challenge. But anyway, just to pig you. Just to add to what you said earlier about like introducing it to your kids. I grew up with never having soda. We didn't have soda growing up. So you don't even care about it. Soda has no pull on me.

[Adam]

I know. That's why this. Why this. Everybody I know that has a story like that of the. Oh, I don't even care what the foods cuz they didn't get introduced to this.

[Sal]

That's right.

[Adam]

It's always stuck with me.

[Sal]

Yeah, it's right now soda. Now on the opposite end of the scale is my wife. She grew up always having soda. In fact, she'll tell. She talks about how there were a lot, like for most. For a lot. Not most of her life. A lot of her life. When she was younger, she drank no water. Yeah. All she had was soda until this day. Water by itself. She has to kind of get herself into the rhythm. In fact, she uses element. She uses element like crazy because she needs it to be flavored because she grew up always having soda. I never had soda, so I can actually get sick of soda very quickly. That's.

[Doug]

It's interesting because yeah, we, we were adamant about not having soda in our house. We still don't have soda. If anything, it'll be like a Zevia or something as like a treat. But then of course, that's sort of the rebellious pull for our oldest son. Anytime he's out, it's like soda is such a big deal for him.

[Adam]

And he didn't have soda growing up at all. Oh, interesting.

[Doug]

None. Yeah, I don't think it's it. I wish that was the case. You know, it's just he. He has like a. A serious pull towards it.

[Adam]

Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I mean, it's funny because I know that I see the. The how I'm. I've totally pulled back on the reins with that stuff now. Like now that he's six and give him a lot of autonomy now and.

[Sal]

He still doesn't go for it.

[Adam]

Yeah, well, he'll. He'll still. He'll have stuff. But it fascinates me how. I mean, we just. What would I just buy him? We just went somewhere. Oh, we just. Those stupid gummy nerds that. You got me on.

[Sal]

The.

[Adam]

The. You know what I'm talking about.

[Sal]

By the way, that's. The next one is candy. Yeah, yeah, the next one is candy.

[Adam]

So gummy nerds, you got me on those. Oh, we just did a little dry to drive with them. We did one of our driving days, and those are.

[Sal]

Those are crazy.

[Adam]

We pulled over the gas station and we had already had breakfast. And I surprised him with that. And he was all excited. So with that. And I gave him. Just gave him the bag while I'm driving. And he.

[Doug]

Maybe like two or something.

[Adam]

Dude. He had, like, not even half the bag. I ended up crushing the rest of the bag the other night, the next night.

[Sal]

So it's so funny because candy made the list. That's next. And I. Again, going back to childhood, the foods that I would. The foods that I'm talking about now that have a pull on me or all the foods that I would have as a kid.

[Adam]

Yeah, me too.

[Sal]

And my dad was a candy guy. Now. He liked the hard candy, the Italian candy. But I remember my dad would sit in front of the TV with a bag of, like, the ones your grandma gives you, the wrappers, they look like a picture of a strawberry on or something like that. He would sit there and eat just candy. So as a kid. And I'd eat them too. Yeah. So I now have this affinity. You guys know this, for like, the sugary, cheap candy. Yeah. And if you put that in front of me, I'll eat the hell out of it.

[Adam]

You know, there's another part of this that you haven't touched on that I think that. Well, that looks like the nostalgia of, like, which is the associates.

[Sal]

Yes.

[Adam]

Yeah. Is like. So my. My grandma, when I would visit her, I had, like, unfettered access to candy. We also. We already had candy. We did. We just couldn't afford to have a lot of it all the time.

[Sal]

For more.

[Adam]

Oh, exactly. But then when I went to grandma's, it was all the big bags I could have, and I just. I mean, I crushed it. So there' this part of also seeing grandma and that part and doing that and the relationship I had with her. And so I have such a.

[Sal]

You know, there's a comedian that does a whole bit that with McDonald's, where they have the playground and it's all happy. And you show. You go there with your kid and he's like, you know, we should do with food like that. You should, like, punch your kid in the face every time they have a terrible association. Yeah.

[Doug]

Make it miserable.

[Sal]

Anyway, next up is donuts.

[Adam]

Another one for me.

[Sal]

Yeah. This one. No, I. No problem. I can totally not.

[Adam]

You know, donuts have such a pull for me. But that changed because they. As I got Older. They really started to upset my donuts.

[Sal]

Will wreck your gut.

[Adam]

Wreck my gut as a kid. No lie. I could eat a dozen donuts as a kid.

[Sal]

Oh, my God.

[Adam]

Yes. And again, another association with grandma. When I go visit grandma, I used to get a dozen donuts. And I was.

[Sal]

You know what's crazy about donuts to me is donuts are so just terrible for you. And it's a breakfast food I know you want to have. You want to have, like crazy blood sugar all day and insulin spikes and crashes. Eat donuts for breakfast.

[Adam]

There was also one on the way to my high school that I walked to every day, too. So literally was part of my routine of doing that. Even when I first started working 24 Hour Fitness, it became like a routine in the morning that I have such a terrible trainer. Oh, so terrible. And it wasn't until my, like, mid to late 20s that it really started to affect my gut.

[Sal]

Oh.

[Adam]

And then it was just like, then it just got to a point where, like, more than one of those things will destroy me.

[Sal]

Now, last on this list, this one makes me laugh because in this room, one of us. I've never seen a grown man.

[Adam]

Let's go stand in ham with donuts.

[Sal]

I feel I have never seen a grown man go to the grocery store and buy just a cake for themselves. Not for their birthday, but just because they wanted to eat cake. That was Adam Adams. You don't do that before. Let them eat cake. Yeah, we'll go on a business trip and we'll go to the grocery store to buy food for breakfast. And sometimes I'll buy chips and whatever, and then Adam will be alive with a cake. What are we celebrating, dude?

[Adam]

Oh, my God.

[Sal]

This has got cake right there.

[Adam]

It's definitely. I mean, I'm going down this. Listening. I'm like, God, I got a lot of weaknesses. A lot of weaknesses right here. You'd be so. It's amazing, like, all in the middle. That's why the whole bodybuilding thing was such a. An accomplishment for me. I mean, to go that far, to.

[Sal]

Not have to show how disciplined you are.

[Adam]

Oh, man.

[Sal]

Just.

[Adam]

But again, I just, I don't know that the, the thing for me just keep hammering home is to the parents right now, those of you that are becoming parents or going to be parents, like, just the, the longer you delay this stuff, and I'm not saying to keep this to my kid. My kid has had all this stuff, by the way now. But the longer you delay it, I think the, the agreed, the happier you will be. I really, I really, really believe that. And they, and they still could have it again. He's, he's had everything on this list, but the relationship that I see that he has with it is so different than the relationship that I have with it. And so I, I wish I would, I wish I would have done that because it's, it's had a hold of me my whole life.

[Sal]

All right. We talked about Gut health. One of the supplements or products that I use the most consistently of all the ones that were sponsored by has been seed. You're a probiotic. Yeah. And it's just, it's just, you know, I took it the first time I took it. I've had gut health issues for a long, I mean, for a long time. Probably over 20 years. Although now my gut health is just remarkably good in comparison to how it used to be. But when we first started working with seed, it was like the best probiotic I ever used. And I used it nonstop for years, ever since we started with them and then ever since I had not stopped using it. Well, anyway, I went through probably a two month period of not using it because we didn't have any in the back. And for whatever reason, they didn't send any because we had to tell them to send some. Yeah. And I was just lazy and forgetting and, you know, I finally told our assistant, I said, hey, let's get seed. They got to send us some more because I haven't taken them for a little while. So I had a two month break of not using seed, just started using it again regularly. So now it's been about a week. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah, it actually, it helped my sleep, which is wild. It helped my sleep inflammation. And my gut health, as good as it was, is even better. It's like, it's incredible.

[Adam]

I always feel like the best way to tell how, how effective a supplement is for you is like, like that go off. Yeah. Is being very consistent. Go off for a break like that and then go back on it makes you more aware of the benefits that it was or was not doing for you. I find that that's. Those are the times where I normally like lock in and go, oh, that was making a bigger difference than I. Because sometimes you just, you acclimate. Hard to pin it to that one thing. Oh, maybe it was all this other stuff. But then when you take it off and then you go back on, you can, you can really see a difference.

[Sal]

Then you're like, oh, it was doing something, you know, pretty big.

[Adam]

This is also one of the companies that I've yet to have any of one of our customers I know that has switched from their other probiotic and then gone to seed and not such.

[Doug]

A superior product to whatever else is out there.

[Sal]

Oh, my God.

[Doug]

It's not even close.

[Sal]

It's not even. It's not even the same product. It's not even the same category.

[Doug]

Last time I took it was after. And I've been trying to make sure, like, I'm conscious about if I ever take any antibiotics, like, after that whole process. Yeah. Repopulating. Like, so it'd be at least good about that. But, like, the consistency, you notice the difference if you are consistently using it.

[Sal]

Yeah. All right, I gotta. I gotta talk about a clip. Did you see that clip I sent you this morning? I said, hey, how did you feel about it?

[Adam]

Oh, about Billy Graham?

[Sal]

No, no. Oh, no, it was a different one. Okay. Yeah, I got that one too, but it's a different one. It was the same guy. That's why I thought it was the same clip. So this guy. This guy's a pastor, and he gets on. I want to communicate this because I don't know if women know this enough. I really don't. He gets on there and he talks about how many times he's been canceled on social media. So he's a pastor, so he'll say some stuff. And there was a period there where if you said certain things. I don't think so anymore these days, but there was a period there where you just say something and it could be not even that bad. You would get automatically canceled, taken off social media, whatever. And he was talking about this the first time it happened to him. And part of his way he supports his family besides pastoring at this church is he has a social media page, quite popular. And he says, man, the first time I got canceled, he's like, it feels like you're just getting hit from all angles. Everybody hates you. I'm getting hammered. And he's like. And I am just so down. I'm so down, you know? He loses his social media, which is a source of. Of way he supports his family. And he's coming home just down, and he feels like he let down his family. And he opens the garage, and his wife and kids are standing at the garage, and they're like, welcome home, Daddy. And he's like, what is going on? And he walks into the dining room and his favorite meal is made, because his wife knows this is his favorite. She makes it and she has candles in there, and she's like. And he's like, what are you doing? And she's like, we're celebrating. And he's like, what do you mean? And she said, those who will be persecuted in my name will be blessed. There's a verse in the Bible and what it highlights. And this is what I.

[Adam]

She says, tonight we feast.

[Sal]

Yeah. And just what this highlights is. And women need to know this, the power that you have to strengthen your husbands is. There is no more encouraging person to me than my wife. Or should I say, if she's got my back and she encourages me when I'm down. It fills me with, like, fire. It really does. And I don't know any husband who doesn't say, who doesn't feel otherwise. Like, you feel like you're just sucking and you go home and your wife's like, I'm proud of you. You got this. Oh, my God. It fills your, your, your. If your sail fills with wind and.

[Adam]

You'Re just going, I thought that's the same pastor that I sent over to you that shared the crown, that your, Your wife is your crown.

[Sal]

That's right.

[Georgia]

Right.

[Adam]

And I shared that with Katrina. She really liked that. You know, she's just like, I 100 feel that way.

[Sal]

Isn't that crazy? Like, let me ask you guys this. If everything was falling around, apart around you, so long as your wife is. Is your cheerleader and supporter, you feel.

[Doug]

Like you could do indestructible.

[Sal]

Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

[Doug]

You need that. I mean, I need that every now and then.

[Adam]

I know it's cliche to say it, but, I mean, that's where that old saying comes from, where behind every good man is a great woman.

[Sal]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam]

And I think that, and I think that unfortunately has been distorted or people like, oh, that's so old fashioned or whatever. It's like, no, there's so much psychological.

[Sal]

Truth to that and spiritual truth to that. Yes.

[Adam]

I mean, and. And that's admitting that she is greater. You know, you're a good man. She's great. And the ability, the humility for her to do. To stand in that position or be that way when she's great is just. Is what makes that person that, that. That's much more special. And so, and I mean, I, I definitely know that our relationship operates in that place. I mean, Katrina 100% runs so much of the behind the scenes. And if it wasn't for her being my greatest cheerleader and fan and supporting me the way she does, like, I, I don't. I don't wear the crown.

[Sal]

Yeah. My wife has the power to lift me up in ways that nobody else does. There's a scene from the movie. I know it's fiction or whatever, but. 300.

[Doug]

300, yeah.

[Sal]

Where he's about to go off and basically die. He's gonna go fight against odds that are just. They're gonna die. And his wife is sending him off. Yeah. And she looks at him, she goes, come back with your shield or on your.

[Doug]

On your shield.

[Sal]

Yeah. And you can see his face was like, let's go. Yeah. So it's just. It's just really. It's really crazy. I know some people twist that, like, oh, we're men are insecure or whatever. No, that's just the way we're made. Just the way we're made. Just, you know. So, anyway, it's good stuff. It was really, really good stuff.

[Adam]

I read a thing today that I thought was interesting. A little bit of a transition of conversation, but around. I've been, well, just paying att, know you've been paying attention to bitcoin and stuff. And in 2818, Harvard had came out with a statement saying that, you know, bitcoin is more likely to go down to $100 than to be up at $100,000. Fast forward to 2025, and Harvard University invested in about $116 million of Bitcoin. I thought that was pretty interesting.

[Sal]

I think that's great.

[Adam]

It's. It's crazy where we're. Where I, I, I don't know.

[Sal]

You know, I almost became a billionaire with bitcoin. Almost. I did. No, listen, it's, you know, Martin, I.

[Doug]

Can'T tell you how many people have said that.

[Sal]

Listen, no, I, no, this is real, though. You know, Martin, I have a client, good friend, and he hired and we worked out together, and he was a libertarian. He was all into that, like, deregulated, whatever. He came to me and tried to explain bitcoin to me, and he was so convincing. I still understand it. He's like, just buy. Just buy like, $500 worth. Just throw 500 bucks at it and don't worry about it and leave it. And I was like. And he convinced me. I'm like, all right, I'll do that. I'm like, all right, how do I do that? He's like, well, you got to buy this, like, hard drive, and you got to create a wallet.

[Adam]

Way too much.

[Sal]

And I was like, nah, I'm not going to do it. That $500 today would think would be hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Adam]

Where is he at?

[Justin]

What was the price per bitcoin at that time?

[Sal]

Oh, it was. It was. It was dollars. It was a dollar. It was nothing. I would own like 500 bitcoins where.

[Adam]

Where is he at now?

[Sal]

Oh, I haven't. You know, I should reach out to him.

[Adam]

You guys should. This guy's telling you. He was telling you back then. I would have.

[Sal]

I guarantee you he's got. Because I knew he boug of it back then. He was mining it back then. He actually figured he had understood how to mine it. He got his. He got a computer to do it, and you would mine it, and back then you could mine like a bitcoin every week.

[Justin]

No wonder he haven't heard from him. He's on some private island right now.

[Adam]

Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear where. Where he's at at this current moment. He was. If he was touting it back then, when very.

[Sal]

Oh, I guarantee he bought more than $500 worth. So he's good. I mean, I remember when the problem is this, this. I wonder if he sold it, you know, when he made a million or 500,000. Right. Because that's the hard part is could you have held it until it got to here?

[Adam]

If you. You got to be crazy. If you believed in it that strongly way back then, you just hold it and at least a portion of it, right? You have 500 coins. You hang on to a couple. You don't sell all of it. There's no way. I mean, that would be.

[Sal]

I would. See, that's the thing. Would you have been able to imagine if you put 500 bucks worth and then you saw that it was worth $50,000, would you have. Where would you been? Like, this is a fluke. I'm taking my money.

[Adam]

What is that dollar amount? Give me the dollar amount because that would matter.

[Sal]

Imagine if it was from 500 to 50,000.

[Adam]

I know that. I'm talking about the total revenue. What is that? 50,000 times times 500?

[Sal]

What do we do? No, no, no. What I'm saying is 2.5 million. No, no. What I'm saying is if it was worth $500 and then you saw it worth $50,000, would you have sold it?

[Adam]

I know. What I'm saying to you is you need to give me the total dollar of value value.

[Justin]

That is a total.

[Adam]

No, no, no, it's not. You have to do 500 times two.

[Sal]

No, no, no, no. If you bought $500 worth and then it went up to 50,000 all of them combined.

[Adam]

Oh, no.

[Sal]

You would have kept it?

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Back then, Yeah. I don't know if I would have, because when it was worth $50,000, I would have thought, this is. I'm lucky just to get here. I might have sold it. I don't know if I would have kept it.

[Adam]

I mean, those people that believed in that believe it's going to be the. The reason why they believe in it so strong. They think it's going to be the actual currency in the future.

[Sal]

Yeah, but do they believe it in enough to hold on to it after they've made, you know, 50 grand off of 500 bucks or 500 grand even?

[Adam]

I mean, you'd be crazy to not at least keep a certain percentage of it still in there now, in hindsight. Well, I mean, even then, though, right? I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

[Sal]

I wonder how many people did that.

[Adam]

Because the difference between that bitcoin and like, let's say a stock in a company, for example, like, that's different. Like, if I may. If I, you know, 100x my money in a stock, like, oh, I'm cashing out just because of the likelihood of what. What that is in a company versus a thing that I believe is going to be the currency in the future.

[Sal]

Well, Doug, you gotta be do this. So for 500 coins who are a dollar each, how much would they have to be each to be 50,000? What's that? What is that? That means that they would each be worth 10.

[Justin]

It's a hundred times increase.

[Adam]

So at what year, $10 would you sell at $10?

[Sal]

So it was a $10 hundred. What year was Bitcoin worth 100 bucks? Because this. What would help me is if I see the year of this, you know, I would. I don't know if I would have been like, oh, yeah, it's gonna.

[Adam]

But based on what's going on, the.

[Sal]

Economy, Yeah, I would have been like, nah, this is.

[Justin]

I'm lucky to get 2013.

[Sal]

Yeah, dude, 2013. You would have waited from then till now. Not me. I would have probably sold it. I bet a lot of people did that early on. They already made their, you know, tons of returns. They're probably like, I'm. I'm lucky. Just.

[Adam]

Yeah, it'd be interesting to see how many people have been in and out of it that actually had them like that. That's right. I mean, the move would always be to. I mean, the move is to always keep. Keep, of course, but your original investment. Yeah, at least Your original investment in it. So you don't. So you're. You're leveraging or hedging, you know, at least that, like, if it does keep going that way.

[Sal]

Well, you know what they say in investments, it's not about. It's the. The. The people who are able to do it are the ones that are just disciplined. It's not the. You follow your emotions, but part of.

[Adam]

What makes it so valuable is that there's. There's a finite. Right. There's a finite amount. So if you. If you. If you were selling people on that, you need to go buy this thing and you believed in it as a future currency. And, you know, there's only X amount. Even if it's not the currency, it's just a currency. You got to believe that it's going to be worth a lot more.

[Sal]

I would hope so. But in 2013, everybody still said bitcoin is nothing. It's a total scam. Nobody was saying this is going to be. Except for the super weirdos. Like, nobody. You know what I mean?

[Adam]

Yeah. You see how many There's. I mean, BlackRock has taken on a bunch. You have real estate now that's being. I actually heard people think it's going.

[Sal]

To be really coin.

[Adam]

I. You know what? I heard something really sweet since we're talking about bitcoin. Really interesting that's happening right now, too, because now you're seeing houses that are being bought that way. So people.

[Sal]

Wait, people are buying houses with bitcoin?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Sal]

Wow.

[Adam]

Yeah. It's already happened. Not only that, people are buying shares of a house as an investment. Like 25 people go in on a single house that say, is worth $300,000. And so people who don't have a lot of money can. And they. And they. They divide the house up by 25. And so they're collecting.

[Sal]

So are these investment companies or groups that in. And buying so many houses and then selling shares of the.

[Adam]

Yes.

[Sal]

Wow.

[Adam]

So someone's going in. I. Right away I went. This is kind of actually brilliant.

[Sal]

Called REITs. Ritz. Is that what those.

[Adam]

No, no, that's not re.

[Sal]

That's something else.

[Adam]

Okay, so you go in, you buy a house. Let's just say for an easy number for everybody, for $300,000. Or let's do a number like $250,000 and 25p. And you sell to 25 people.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So each person has $1,000. And then. And then you go rent that place. And that rent makes a small rental income.

[Sal]

Each percentage.

[Adam]

Everybody Gets a percentage of that.

[Sal]

That.

[Adam]

And then now they. They got an investment in property in the United States.

[Sal]

Interesting.

[Adam]

Very interesting. Very, very interesting.

[Sal]

I wonder what that's going to do. There's a, there's a growing percentage of homes are being bought. Single family homes are bought by these companies that aren't single families. So a lot of people got to.

[Doug]

Figure out a way to, to compete with Black Rock, that's for sure.

[Sal]

That's right. Yeah. There's a lot of people that aren't happy about that because they think it drives the prices up. And then they can't buy it for.

[Doug]

Their family because they were doing this with like commercial buildings before. Right.

[Adam]

Yeah. You know what? This also does too. This opens up the market seas to be investors in it the same way you buy in a stock market.

[Sal]

I love how much I like that.

[Adam]

Oh, yeah. No, it's, it's. What it's going to do is going to send. I want to land already a lot of predictions. And you guys know that I've kicked up the. Looking for us for. Because we've been cold for a long time. I do think we're going to go on a run next year. I think rates are going to get lowered by the end of this year or next year and it's going to, it's going to shoot us up again.

[Sal]

You know, I don't, I don't disagree with you because so many, many people's wealth is tied into their homes now that it's politically. It's political suicide to allow the market to drop. Yep. You know what I mean? Like, it's so tied to people's wealth that if you're the politician that's like.

[Doug]

We'Re gonna lower that one.

[Sal]

You know, a lot of people like, no, you're not. All my wealth is tied up in my home. You know, there's. How many millionaires there are in America who aren't really millionaires. It's just the, the value. My parents, My parents. Parents are in this category. My parents. My dad was. He didn't go to school. He's a poor Sicilian. He bought a house in San Jose working his butt off blue collar. They still own their home. It's paid off on paper because they have a house in San Jose. They're millionaires, but my parents aren't millionaires. It's just their houses.

[Adam]

I believe that's a large percentage of the millionaire category.

[Sal]

It is, yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah. I don't know. I think I've seen that stat before. But a big portion of People that are quote unquote millionaires are because of their, their property is worth that or more than that, they've had it for 20, 30 years or whatever like that. That' you know, you imagine rates go down, crypto goes up. You, you have people now and then you have the ability to divide a home in 25 ways for someone to buy in as an investment.

[Sal]

Ways to get the prices to go up.

[Adam]

Yeah, I know a lot of ways.

[Sal]

So have you guys used the sleep product from Organifi recently? We've talked about this before, but I haven't used it.

[Adam]

I actually haven't used it.

[Sal]

It's, it's. I mean, it's really good.

[Adam]

Can you tell me what's in that one?

[Sal]

One? Yes. So. Holy basil. Which, it does lower the stress response. Valerian, which is an actual, like, that'll actually make you feel sleepy. Chamomile relaxes you. Lavender relaxes you. Chinese skullcap relaxes you. Passion flower will also make you feel sleepy. Then it's got theanine and gaba. So no this and glycine. Right. Glycine has now been shown in studies to improve sleep quality. So no melatonin. I like this because it's a melatonin free sleep aid. Because melatonin, although it can work, it is a hormone and it can change your body's production of melatonin. And personally, I don't know about you guys, but if I take melatonin, if I take the time released it better, but I still will wake up as it starts to wear off. It just gets me up.

[Adam]

Yeah, it actually makes me feel a.

[Sal]

Little groggy and then. Groggy? Yeah, I take a big dose.

[Adam]

Yeah, I feel a little groggy.

[Sal]

So this, their, their, their product is, is legit and it's, it's melatonin free.

[Adam]

So it's got all the, the, the things in. I have a couple, like, my favorite, like sleepy time type tea combos.

[Sal]

And that's, that has valerian in there.

[Adam]

Okay. That has it. Okay.

[Sal]

I mean, it's so effective. Like, don't take it and drive. You'll feel like, oh, you feel kind of drowsy. So it does put you to sleep.

[Justin]

Now they recommend you don't take that every night.

[Sal]

Is that correct?

[Doug]

No.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Oh, is that really strong?

[Adam]

Oh, is that true?

[Sal]

Right.

[Justin]

Don't use it when you really need it.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Oh, so it's that strong?

[Sal]

Yeah, you really want to go off or you try. It'll put you off.

[Adam]

That makes you really want to try It.

[Sal]

Yes, I know.

[Adam]

Okay.

[Doug]

I like the powerful stuff.

[Sal]

It'll.

[Adam]

I'll try is gummy form.

[Sal]

No, no, it's powder.

[Adam]

Oh, it's powder.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

Okay. Gummies, dude.

[Sal]

Yeah. You like any candy?

[Adam]

Candy?

[Sal]

One of yours?

[Adam]

Yes.

[Doug]

Gummy everything.

[Adam]

Yeah, I've just. I justify it with supplements.

[Sal]

Hey, Justin, I want to ask you about you. None of us in here, except for you, have watched the documentary on the Biggest Loser.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal]

Cool.

[Doug]

Yeah, I was gonna bring that up.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It's. It's everything you.

[Sal]

You would expect, is it everything we said happened that they.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And they just get behind the scenes. You know what's really frustrating about it is, like, the lack of. Of remorse for, you know, a lot of this, like, verbal abuse and a lot of things that, like, the contestants experience and just their overall horrendous example of training and. And what fitness is. It's just like, if they would just separate that completely and just be like, this is just pure entertainment. Like, we're just throwing people out there and like, you know, this is all for show and it's. It's getting ratings and that's exciting. And, you know, because even the. The guy that created the whole thing is just, like, you know, very proud of it.

[Sal]

And.

[Doug]

And you tell me another, like, reality show that's changed and transformed people's lives, and it's like, no accountability, responsibility for, like, the complete dark side of it all.

[Sal]

No. And they wrap it in this feel good.

[Adam]

And didn't they get. I mean, if I recall seeing clips or hearing other interviews talking about, like, the producers were just frothing at the mouth when they saw the drama, and they were just like, lean into that.

[Doug]

Like, in every season, they start looking for more of those, like, specific type of.

[Adam]

It's a. I felt like the first.

[Sal]

So I watched a lot, especially for the beginning, like, 24 Fitness was one of the sponsors. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam]

So early. Early seasons for. Only for a few. I'd say for the first three, if I recall, felt a little. Felt genuine. And then it really. You could tell what happened. They gamed the system. They started to lean into the drama, the backstory. They look like. Like where originally, like maybe the first contestants that to do it, like, it came from a good place, the way they started to build it, but it quickly turned.

[Sal]

Even then, though, the approach was terrible. It is not an approach to lose weight. Everybody gained it back. They destroyed everybody's metabolism. It was about beating the crap out of people, and it was about starving them. It was. I remember I have a Family member who's a cop. And when he. He talked about the Biggest Loser, this is a while ago, and I'm like, how do you feel when you watch cop shows on tv? He's like, oh, they're so terrible. They're so fake. I said, that's how a trainer feels. When we watch Biggest Loser, it literally.

[Doug]

Set us back, like, decades in terms of, like, the public's understanding of what it is to get in shape. And they don't go into depth or any kind of example of, like, how you would actually approach this correctly. And there's nobody on there representing any kind of fitness voice that's reasonable at all. No, I mean, I haven't made it to the very last. Like, there's episodes of it, so I've watched, like, two of them. And you get, like, sort of the first cast of the. The different coaches, and, you know, it's all like, america's toughest trainer and blah, blah, blah. Just joke.

[Sal]

I would hate, like, it.

[Doug]

It makes me sick. It's so cringe.

[Sal]

If somebody gave me that, that. That if I got an award for America's toughest trainer, I failed that. The part.

[Adam]

The part that really set us back, though, was at that time, I think trainers really thought that this was a good idea, of course, because that. That when you looked at. During that time in the gym, a lot of the way trainers were training, these really overweight clients looked like biggest losers.

[Sal]

This is how I train people in the beginning.

[Adam]

Look like circuits and just. Yeah. Breaking them long. Yeah.

[Doug]

They started to take on, like, workouts from football programs, and then they try and apply them to these, like, morbidly obese people.

[Sal]

And it's.

[Doug]

What was really frustrating is when they go to weigh in and it's just the only metric is, like, if they lost weight or not. And you could tell that, like, some of these people, once they started actually lifting weights, had gained some. A bit of muscle, and then the whole group turns off on them because they didn't lose enough weight. And it's like in. The guy's, like, already kind of looking and shaping and forming a little bit better, you know, obviously really low calorie, you know, so it's minimal, but still, it's like they're at a stall or they're at a plateau. And it's like, you, man, you're not.

[Adam]

Putting in the work.

[Doug]

It's just like. It's crazy.

[Sal]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's really sad. A real, real reality show on this with people like this would be long and boring. It would not be.

[Adam]

Oh yeah, it would be totally boring.

[Sal]

It'd be long and boring. It wouldn't be entertaining.

[Adam]

They wouldn't see big swings. You' many weeks that were weigh ins of.

[Sal]

But the, but the success would be in the success wouldn't look that great at the first would be long and boring and people would tune out.

[Adam]

The only way you follow it up five years later, the way you would have to do it to try and make it TV is that you would have to document it over a year and edit it. And you would have to edit it to just like the, the monthly check in. Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Sal]

Struggles.

[Adam]

Exactly. Like you couldn't do like they squeezed this in a like a couple month camp. Right. Isn't it like I forget what, how long it is. Yeah, it's a very short period of time.

[Doug]

Three or four months or so.

[Adam]

Yeah. That they did they do this and like that's just. It's not healthy. It's not sustainable. It's not the realistic way to do it. But it's the only way to realistically make a TV show.

[Sal]

And what's sad about this from a fitness industry perspective is this is one of the most viewed pieces of media around weight loss. And so the, the it's just a terrible wrong message. And unfortunately the bad message messaging the wrong way to do it gets all the views. So then the average person watching is like this is how you do it. This is what it's about. This is what it's all about. And they dramatize it. So it's exciting. Right now I'm hyper motivated because I hate myself. So I'm gonna try that too and then fail and then fail and then fail and can't figure out what's going on. That's the part of it that made me sad.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And then just all the examples of when they're interviewing after, after the fact and like they just bounced right back and they're. And they're you know and they get tearful and like it and then they feel like they feel like they failed again to their family. They failed, then they failed everybody around them. And it's like, you know, you just. This was not a successful formula that you stepped into.

[Adam]

Did you see? I thought I saw Jillian Michaels and sharing like emails that they were being sent as far as like the different drugs to help.

[Sal]

She really, she really has changed my mind on her because when it was Biggest Loser and she was on there, I was like terrible. You're terrible. But you listen to her now and she's. Oh yeah, she's great.

[Adam]

Well, I mean, you stay in the, if you're in the fitness industry for.

[Sal]

Two decades and you really care about people.

[Adam]

Yeah. You'll come out, you'll eventually make your round to the. The right answer. Yeah, like I don't, I don't know too many people that's been doing this for 20 years and they still are, are stuck.

[Sal]

I don't know how you'd have a business.

[Adam]

Yeah. Normally if you survive that long, you got good. You eventually made your way to the right information if you lasted that long.

[Sal]

That's right.

[Adam]

A lot of what we see with the bad information is trainers in their first eight years and in that period of time of trying to figure out is this a business for me or not, and adopting so many of the bad ways of doing things like. But typically you make, you, you make it, you can make it for 20 years. You've probably finally figured it out.

[Sal]

I'm gonna end this on a really positive note for me. So Anne, we were on a call with Anne. She heads all of our education here at Mind Pump and she also does some coaching. And her client saw my video and said to her, and I'm just gonna tell you guys this because you guys like to call me beak face all the time. She said, I have the perfect face. She said, he is so handsome. Now, little, little context, she's blind. No, she's a little context. She only sees shadows. You guess you don't hear from the description. Here's the real context. And I guessed that when she told me this. Oh my God. My client said, he has a little looney baby. He has a perfect face. And I said to her, I said, hold on a second. I said, is she a 60 something year old Italian grandma? She said, yes, of course, of course. They love me, my grandson, they love me. Nonnas love me and I love Nonna's.

[Doug]

All right, well, there you go, you can have that one.

[Sal]

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[Justin]

Our first caller is Jack from England.

[Sal]

Jack, what's happening?

[Adam]

What's up dude?

[Jack]

I'm good.

[Sal]

How are you all? We're good. All right. How can we help you? Good.

[Jack]

So my question is I want to know if I'm dealing with overtraining or under recovery. Recovery. Have I caused this? And what should I do moving forward? So lately I've been feeling constantly fatigued despite getting around 7 and a half hours sleep most nights. I've had like slow recovery and lower moods and other symptoms. I've recently had blood work done and my testosterone's come back very low for my age. And I'm concerned that I may have done this to myself and want to know how to improve it. So just to give you a bit of context, I'm 23 three away, about £167 at the minute. And back in February, I started with a personal trainer. We began on about 2500 calories per day and then worked out about 1700. By April, I was training four times a week and most exposed to failure doing around 10,000 steps per day plus an extra 300 calories three times a week of cardio. I lost about 20 pounds and dropped to about 12 body fat for my old day. Now after my all day I went back to 1700 calories per day day just to drop some weight that come on over the vacation. And within weeks of this I felt over symptom, over training. Symptoms became very noticeable. I'm currently running maps anabolic and I'm in phase two at the minute. I'm eating about 2800 calories per day. That's 200 grams of protein, 350 grams of carbs, 85 grams of fat. Still currently hitting about 10000 steps a day. I gained some fat, but my priority is my health, so. So I plan to hold my carrots here until my metabolism improves. I just thinking I'd value thoughts and whether this is over training under recovery or something else. And what do you think I should do next guys?

[Adam]

How do you, how do you feel right now, now that you've bumped it?

[Jack]

I feel a little bit better. I mean I've had some testosterone results which come back low. So I know there's definitely an issue there. My sleep's getting a lot better. It Was broken sleep at first. My sleep's improving. I'm through phase one of Maps Anabolic. I've gained some strength. I've gone up, you know, in all the compound lifts and stuff, so I definitely feel better.

[Sal]

Yeah, you're on the right track. Yeah, yeah, you're on the right track. Keep going. That's good. Yeah, keep going. After Maps Anabolic. Don't do anything crazy like Maps Aesthetic or anything like that. I would say either symmetry or even Maps 15. Keep your calories there. Your testosterone should respond bond. You should see your testosterone start to go up. Are you taking any supplements like vitamin D, multivitamin, anything like that?

[Jack]

I've got them. I'm currently just taking creatine at the minute so I think I should jump back on them.

[Adam]

Really.

[Jack]

Multivitamins and vitamin Ds.

[Sal]

Yeah. You're in the, you're in the UK, right?

[Jack]

The UK, yes.

[Sal]

Correct. Yeah. You should probably supplement with vitamin D.

[Adam]

I, I also just, I just saw your, your photos too and you're, you're exceptionally lean or you were at least in April and see this and I, this is a good person to talk to. I bet you you probably felt healthier in January. Not how you look, but how you felt felt. And this is a classic example of single digit body fat is not optimal for most of us. It just isn't an optimal place to live.

[Sal]

It'll crush your testosterone.

[Adam]

And, and, and that's what's happened. I mean you looked badass, you proved that you could get down to, you know, single digit body fat and look amazing. Amazing, but it's just not a, a healthy, sustainable. Not why you have the, a real normal life. You go to work, you got a family or school or things you do and, and then you're also training like this and then maintaining a 7% body fat is just, it's, it's unhealthy and you're going to see the sleep disrupted, you're going to see testosterone levels come down and moving your body fat percentage up a couple percentage is going to probably make you feel the best. And you're heading that way by increasing the calories. You could probably afford to, to increase them even, even more.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Jack]

What, what do you reckon I should really get up to them at 2800 at the minute. Do you reckon I should keep going in that direction?

[Adam]

Okay.

[Jack]

Bump it up a couple hundred calories every couple of weeks or.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

How long you been at the 28?

[Jack]

Probably about six weeks now. Six, seven weeks. So at the end of June, I started at about 27.

[Adam]

Okay. Are you gaining weight on 2800? Are you maintaining at 2800 right now, gaining weight?

[Jack]

So I've gone from about 161 pounds about the end of June, and now I'm back to about 167 pounds, so about 6 pounds gained.

[Adam]

Okay. Yeah. Stay there until you don't gain any more, then bump it. So keep. So hang tight. Sounds like you're. You're moving in the right direction. And then when the weight gain stops, I'd probably bump my calories. Another 200, 300 calories.

[Sal]

That's it. Yep. Stay with Maps Anabolic. After that, you could do symmetry or 15. Keep your calories up. Supplement with vitamin D especially. Especially because you live in the UK where you don't get as much sunshine. Low vitamin D will. Will. Will cause testosterone levels to drop as well. But you should start to see that rebound testosterone in a natural male is very reactive. So loss of sleep over training, too much stress will cause it to plummet. Getting really lean tends to cause it to plummet in most men. So that's just a. That's predictable. I would have guessed, like, your testosterone probably is gonna drop when you get real lean or go down to 17. So I would. You just recently got it tested again?

[Jack]

I got it tested about three weeks ago, and nothing's really seemed to improve. So my first test was about. About seven weeks ago, and I got it done about three weeks ago, and they've not really improved much.

[Sal]

Okay. Stay on this path. I test them again in about two months to see what happens.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Thank you. I'm on about running MAPS performance next. Is that something I shouldn't do or performance is okay?

[Sal]

Yeah, no, performance is good.

[Adam]

Do you. Do you have that?

[Jack]

I don't have that at the minute.

[Sal]

No.

[Adam]

We'll send that over to you.

[Doug]

We'll get you that.

[Jack]

Oh, thank you very much, guys.

[Adam]

We'll send that over to you. And if the. The next piece of advice and we'll just. Just to play this out, if you still don't feel better, then Maps 15 might be a good option for you to run for a little while. So go ahead and do performance. We're going to send it over to you. If you're still feeling like you're not seeing the testosterone go up, then I would reduce even lower down to 15 for a while and see how it happens there. And then after that, we can look at different. But if we're going to try and get this up naturally, that'd be the path spawn.

[Jack]

Thank you very much. Thanks for having me on.

[Sal]

You got it, man. Thanks for coming in.

[Adam]

Jack. Jack was jacked.

[Sal]

Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Hey, you couldn't tell.

[Adam]

He looked, he looked leaner than. Tighten it to me, too.

[Sal]

And that look like single digits. Yeah, that was single.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

You know, so just for people like, you would look at the shredded picture of him versus the one where he's got carrying a little bit more body fat, still leaning, and someone may, and you, you, Someone may say, oh, that leaner version has got probably better testosterone levels. No, no, I know. Now there are people, there are people on the, on the, on the edges who walk around lean and, you know, those are the anomalies. They're not really the average person. But for most men, ideal testosterone, all things being equal, is probably going to be around between 12 to 15, 16 body fat.

[Adam]

I also think the context matters in your lifestyle at the current time, right? So, like maybe running around at that lean when you don't have a lot of responsibility, you can sleep in when you need the sleep. But it's like if you have a schedule, you work hard, you got maybe other stress in your life and you're carrying that, it's. That's where it becomes really detrimental. You not only have to consider just the overall body fat percentage, but also the time in your life that. Is this the best time for me to be, you know, walking around, trying to walk around single digits? And obviously based off the blood work, it's not.

[Justin]

Our next caller is Scott from Texas.

[Sal]

Scott, what's happening?

[Adam]

What's up?

[Scott]

What's going on, guys? How y' all doing today?

[Sal]

Good, man.

[Scott]

How can we help you, man? I, I sent a question to you guys. It's probably a, It's a big ask or maybe a maybe pie in the sky. I don't know. I'm an aging surfer, okay? 57 years old, and I've, I've, I've stayed physical. I've worked at, I've played sports when I was younger, younger all the way up, but I never really knew the right way to lift weights. I just kind of would see other guys lifting and I would lift and mimic, you know, monkey see, monkey do kind of stuff. And I was wondering if you guys had some kind of program or one of your maps programs would be, would fit what a, what a surfer would need, you know, stronger legs, endurance in the shoulders, some of those areas. I have no idea how, but my back is kind of underdeveloped and, and glutes and hams. Not really where they should be. So I think that when I surf better waves, I feel those deficiencies more. And I just recently tuned into Yalls podcast and have learned already a lot of things and just immense respect for you guys and would like to know what, what Yalls take on. That would be.

[Sal]

How often are you surfing?

[Adam]

Question.

[Sal]

How often, how often are you surfing?

[Scott]

Well, surface, since April 9th, I had rotator cuff labrum surgery right here. So I'm still kind of in a, in a, in a rehab phase. But once that's behind me, man, it's, it's every week, a couple of times. And of course when we travel, it's, it's every single day while we're, while we're, you know, travel somewhere.

[Adam]

15 performance.

[Sal]

Yeah. How long are you, how long is the surf session for you when you're doing it?

[Scott]

Okay, that's great. So, so in Texas, it's man, three or four hours course. Okay. And we have a rule unspoken. It's 15 minutes of paddle for 15 seconds of actual ride to kind of put it into perspective. So you're, you're using more of your shoulders, a lot more for that period of time than you are your legs. Now when you travel and you get in better waves, different places in the world, it's. I don't want to say the opposite. There's a lot more standing up though, you know, when you get better waves.

[Sal]

Yeah, that sounds. That's very active. Yeah. Mass 15 performance would be perfect.

[Doug]

Perfect.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Doug]

Fit for you.

[Sal]

Yeah, that would be. And you could do it while. When you're surfing, when you're not surfing with a perfect routine. Of course, once you're, you're, you're. You're given the green light for strength training after your surgery.

[Scott]

Right, Right. Yesterday I got cleared for work climbing ladders and stuff where I work in a plant as necessary. But he wants to wait till the end of September to go back and get the green light for surfing, Chopping wood, climbing trees, all that good stuff.

[Sal]

Oh yeah. 15 performance. Easy. I love it.

[Adam]

We're going to send that to, to you. That's the right program for you.

[Sal]

Easy.

[Scott]

Right on, right on. And I guess older you get, the more building muscle is important. You know, you train it in your 50s to be able to climb up and down the stairs when you're 70. And I guess it will help stuff like that too.

[Adam]

Not, not only that, but keep this in mind, Scott. When you are surfing as much as you are, we, we would, we would treat you like an inseason athlete. Like a professional athlete. And when you compliment it when you're doing that, the goal is actually to just to not get injured. You're not going to build a lot of muscle when you're surfing six, six days a week or whatever like that. Like you, you've got so much activity. That's, that's your phys. That's your real physical work. And then really a lot of the focus is more around mobility and protecting your joints. And that's why maps 15 performances. That's right. And then, then you're gonna have periods of time when maybe you're not surfing safer. That's not related to injury but maybe like in the winter time, you know, two, three months where that's when we kind of get after lifting weights during that period of time and then we back off the lifting the weights really hard hard when you get more in season. And so that's the key to keeping you strong, building muscle and protect all those joints from getting injured. The. Where most athletes go wrong is they try and maintain their volume of lifting weights during their season when they're, when they're riding or when they're playing their sport A lot too much and it's just too much.

[Scott]

It's just too much both sides that time you're just kind of hitting it from all directions.

[Adam]

That's right.

[Scott]

You fatigue.

[Adam]

That's right. And that's where injury happens.

[Sal]

In Mass 15 performance you could do over and over and over again.

[Doug]

You don't have functional exercises in there. That'll wrestlings too. Plus like the thought with a lot of athletes is to improve, you know, what they're already doing with that very specific movement. Whereas you know, if you're, if you're going to focus a little bit more on strengthening some of the weak points and some of the maybe like the eccentric part. So like maybe a lot of times like it's the brakes that we need to address slowing you down or you know, the different, the other like rotating forces or lateral forces that you're not considering within those movements. And so to, to build around that support system and really get a nice integrity around your shoulder joints and you know, knees and everything else, you know, that's, that's vital to, to keep your, your success going long term.

[Adam]

I, I also would consider you. You're a great candidate for. We have a concierge program that we don't promote and talk about just something that we have behind the scenes. And what that is, is you meet with one of our personal trainers once a month and they are just modifying and changing your program, customizing it for you and your current needs. That's it. You just meet with them. It's a virtual call. They'll go over your current diet. They'll go over your current exercise that you're doing, whatever program they have you on, and then they'll modify and change exercises based on, like, very specific goals. And you have very specific goals based off of what you're trying to accomplish. And that changes, I'm sure, throughout the year. And so that's something. If you want one of. One of our coaches to reach out to you, they can kind of explain how that.

[Scott]

Love that.

[Adam]

Okay, cool. I could. I'll have them do that, Scott.

[Scott]

Heck, yeah. That they kind of. Kind of like, you know, it is a constant sense of. Of adjusting because, you know, like, it's very specific what your legs do sometimes, and then your arms. It's just. Yeah. It's not your typical workout program. I would imagine most surfing. Most surfers would. Would really respond to a lot of the different tweaks and stuff that y'.

[Adam]

All. You're a perfect example for somebody. This is perfect for, because. Yeah. And it's actually for trainers, this is like, one of our favorite things to do is, like, take a base program, and then now I got to customize it and tweak it for your very specific goal. So we'll send over max 15 performance. So you got that? And then I'll have. I'll have one of my trainers call you, and then they can lay that all out for you.

[Scott]

Rad. Way cool. I appreciate that big time, guys.

[Sal]

Thanks, Scott.

[Scott]

Y' all take it?

[Sal]

Of course he does the hanging. You know, it's funny surfing. Do you guys. I don't know if you guys knew this part of this is culture, but the other part of it, I think there's truth to it. You know what the number one one form of exercise that the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu guys would say is the best for Jiu Jitsu? Surfing. The old school Brazilian guys, the Gracies, were like, just surf. Just surf. It makes you incredible at Jiu Jitsu. Part of its culture, the Brazilian culture.

[Doug]

Sure.

[Sal]

Beach all the time. But then a lot of Jiu Jitsu guys would just swear by it. I think it has to do with just the way you're fighting the waves.

[Adam]

I was gonna say core. A lot of pulling, like, with the driving, some of that, like, stamina, movement, variation. Yeah. And then you.

[Doug]

You have to have explosive movement to be able to catch the wave.

[Sal]

Like. Yeah. Yeah. Do you surf?

[Doug]

I have, but I'm not like a. I wouldn't ever claim to be a surfer is like, that's a whole culture.

[Adam]

Not like everyone thinks he. They think he's like, I've done it.

[Doug]

Quite a few times. But yeah, I'm not like, everybody thinks.

[Sal]

He'S the biggest paddle.

[Doug]

I sink in the water.

[Justin]

Our next caller is Georgia from Illinois.

[Sal]

Hi, Georgia.

[Adam]

Hello, Georgia.

[Sal]

Hi.

[Georgia]

How are you guys doing?

[Adam]

Good.

[Sal]

How are you? How come we have help you?

[Georgia]

Good. So I'll just kind of jump right into my question. So just to give you guys some background now, I've been listening to you guys for about four years. So first of all, thank you for everything you guys do and just like, being very vulnerable on the podcast. So my question right now, it pertains to someone who I guess is like a client in a way. And she's overweight and is pre diabetic. So right now I'm 24 and I'm currently studying to become a NASM CPT. I have no training experience, but I've always had a huge passion for health and fitness. And I decided to switch careers in the past, like, month or so from public accounting to wanting to become a personal trainer, obviously. So last week, I met this lady about a week ago when I was just sitting in the sauna, and she first asked me if it would, like, help her lose weight. And I said no, yada, yada, yada. The conversation went on and she kept asking me questions about, like, losing weight. And I kind of told her. I was like, look, I'm not a certified trainer, but, like, I would love to help you in any way I can and just like, love to show you some things. It would be really good practice for me, Me. And she told me that she's currently seeing a certified trainer who told her that she always needs to keep her heart rate up and she doesn't let her rest during the workouts. And she also told her trainer that, like, when she had knee pain that she needed to keep going, like, during it. And so right now she has, like, a lot of knee pain, I guess, just like, when she's, like, doing normal things. Things. I met with her last week, and just based on how the session went, it kind of just seems like she needs. It just seems like that she also just needs someone to, like, be in the gym with and need someone to, like, walk around with because she seemed very skittish just being on the gym floor. And that day I just showed her, like, shoulder pressed, bent over Dumbbell row. And then like, a hip bridge on the floor because I didn't want to mess with her knee too much.

[Sal]

Much.

[Georgia]

And so I, I kind of just told her, like, what I always hear from you guys, like, focus on whole foods. And. But then when she did tell me that she's pre diabetic, I think that's when I got a little nervous where I was like, okay, I don't really want to be giving you nutritional advice. And so I'm just at the point now where, like, I want to give her very tangible advice and obviously not lead her in the wrong direction. And. Yeah, because this is definitely, like, the first person that I'm working with ever. So.

[Adam]

So, Georgia, great question. And this is. And I stress this to all our trainers that are listening to this podcast. This is where you use us. If you do not use ask mindpump.com right now, start using that. Okay? It's our AI that has every question someone's ever asked us on this podcast or every topic, and by now we have covered all of it multiple times. And use us as the authority. When you're building your authority. Authority. And, and, and so look up like this, your exact question, and I guarantee you will find a clip of Sal breaking it down really, really well to either a live caller or us doing an episode on that. And share clips like that with her. And don't. And, and don't mistake that trainers make when they're at this place. They get that imposter syndrome because they want to help these people, but they also are like, man, I've never had somebody like this. So instead of pretending like you know the answer, it's just like, listen, these are the guys that I trust that are some of the best or the smartest or however you want to preface who we are to her to get that credibility. And this is what they say about this. And then share it with her that way, too. It's not coming from you, like, telling her what to do. It's like, here I am. Just, you're. You're helping her indirectly through us. And so with that, you'll build that trust with her and also protect yourself from recommending or saying something that you probably shouldn't do. That would be definitely practice using that.

[Sal]

Yeah. And this is a tough situation because she has a trainer. So it's going to be. And it sounds like this trainer is doing a lot of the wrong things based off of what you said. So the challenge is going to be now she's going to hear something coming from you versus what her trainer is telling her, which is why it's even more important to use our episodes because of our authority. Hey, these guys are the top fitness podcasts. They. Lots of experience. They have all these doctors and experts on their show. Here's an episode that I think may help you, and that'll just prompt more questions, and then hopefully. And you want to leave this up to her, but hopefully she sees that the trainer that she has is probably not the right trainer. And if she starts, if she ends up firing them, you could say, hey, look, I'll help you for free. And let's try this a little differently based off of what I've learned from these authorities over here. But the challenge right now is she has a trainer that she's paying again, who seems to be doing things the wrong way. So you want to lean on us as the authority so that it's not you versus the trainer, it's the trainer versus us. And then you could just say, hey, I learned a lot from these guys. And they have these experts on and. And just take it from there.

[Adam]

There's a. There's also a very empathetic approach to when you're handling this. And. And you're also kind of new, too. Like, so when. When a client would tell me something that I know they're doing wrong, but yet I also knew I was new and say, oh, man, I used to think the same thing, or I used to go about the same way, man, I. My mind was blown when I learned that this was the better approach and what I was doing was all wrong. So I'm. I'm. I'm going to come from a place of, like, oh, I. I totally thought or felt that same way, too, too. And I've learned this and then share, like, that's where you use us. You connect with her. You don't try and come off like you're this authority. When you're trying to build your authority and you're trying to learn yourself, that's where you're gonna have a problem is, like, because then she's gonna go, well, you haven't been doing this very long. You don't even have a national cert. And my trainer that's training right now, they at least have a national cert, and they've been doing this for five years. And so you're going to get into this, like, war back and forth, and you're like, anywhere come from just a place of helping. And when she tells you things that you probably know are totally wrong, wrong you can like, go, oh, empathize with her and go, oh, man. I totally remember, like thinking that that was the best strategy. I had no idea I was going about it all wrong until I learned this. And I'll show you this great clip where they break this down and then send it over.

[Sal]

Do you know how long she's been with this trainer?

[Georgia]

No, she didn't tell me. But something she did mention is that she lost 30 pounds and then she gained it all back.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

And so, like, part of a big part of our conversation when I first talked to her is like I was telling her, like, yeah, you should focus on building musc and building up your metabolism. And then like, after she did tell me she was pre diabetic too, I told her how, like, muscle can be really beneficial for that to help combat that. And so that I do know, I just like, don't know what the exact timeline was with all that.

[Sal]

Yeah, no, you, I mean, you're on point. I mean, you're right.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Sal]

You're giving her the right advice. And, you know, diet is, is guidance with trainers and coaches, even if you're certified. So you don't give someone a specific meal plan plan, but you guide them and say, okay, you know, eat protein first. Stick to whole natural foods. We're going to focus on getting stronger. Muscle is insulin sensitive. So if you build little muscle, it's going to do, you know, wonders for your fasting glucose. Here's an episode where I learned that. And then you send it to her.

[Adam]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

I think something else that I was struggling with is like, when I first talked to her, I didn't realize how limited she was going to be in terms of, like, what she could do, do. So I guess it's like, I don't know where to start with exercise selection and then, like, how to progress her.

[Sal]

You, you actually pick great exercises. Yeah, yeah, you did a great job. You know, listen, as long as it's not hurting her and you're using good technique, you're okay. You don't have to overthink it for somebody like this. And it gets more granular. The more fit somebody is, the more advanced they are. But if it's not hurting her, she feels good doing it and your. The technique is good. She feels good. We're probably moving in the right direction.

[Adam]

I mean, you just simply choosing the exercises that you did with proper rest periods and progressive overload and eating properly is going to be significantly better than whatever the other trainer was doing.

[Doug]

So that having her just work through that in the workout. Yeah. I mean, you're doing a lot more than what she's experiencing right now.

[Sal]

Hip thrust was a great choice. Yeah.

[Adam]

Yeah. You also need to get your butt in our community because we have over a thousand trainers in there that at any moment, you. You can just get in the forum and be like, hey, I have this client. I have this. And you'll get not only us, but a bunch of other really good trainers that will respond to you and help you.

[Sal]

Yep.

[Adam]

So use our com leverage, us and our community for you to get great at what you're doing. Don't go fall down or fall into the trap of the imposter syndrome trap that so many trainers do, which is pretending they know more than what they really do, and then they feel like imposter because they're misrepresenting. Just be honest. Be honest and teach what you do know and what you don't.

[Sal]

Share.

[Adam]

Share. And hopefully you trust us to share good knowledge and information and lean on the community that we've built of other great trainers.

[Sal]

Ideally, what happens is you. You, because it sounds like you're. You're developing a nice relationship with her, probably because you genuinely want to help her. And ideally, what happens is she listens to a few episodes, likes the podcast, keeps listening to it, then comes and asks you more questions and more questions, and then what gets revealed to her is, oh, my God, I'm doing, like, this trainer I'm with is doing all the options opposite of what these guys are saying. And then she'll probably ask you about it, and you'll be like, yeah, that's, you know, from what I've learned and from what these guys are saying, like, that's not the right approach. And then she'll maybe be like, all right, what should I do? Say, well, you can try finding another trainer. And then she's like, well, I'm not going to work with this guy anymore. Like, look, I'll help you out for free while you look for somebody. And then you could take it from there, and that's probably what will happen. But use us as the authority so that you don't put yourself in a precarious situation. Situation.

[Georgia]

Okay. And then the other thing that I guess, like, I can see being a struggle, like, just down the line is like, obviously the mental aspect of it for her, because when I was talking to her, she was like, oh, like, I'll eat well. And then I have bad days, and I go, well, what do you define as a bad day? And she was like, well, I Get upset. And then I eat a lot.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

And that sounds like, oh, like, so you, like, eat emotionally. Like, I used to do that all the time. Like, that's totally normal, like, blah, blah, blah. And so then I kind of said the same thing. I think, Sal, what you mentioned before, just, like, journal down how you feel before you eat and after you eat, like, even it happens. And I was like, it's meant to be data. But, like, that even seemed to overwhelm her a little bit.

[Sal]

No problem. So back up. And you just back up.

[Adam]

Yep.

[Sal]

You just back up. You did. First off, what you did was amazing. You empathize with her. The key to being successful or to helping this a person like her, like any client, but especially someone like this, helping them find success, is that she develops a relationship with you where she trusts you and that she feels enough grace from you that she can then start to extend it to herself and that she remains honest. Because what ends up happening with someone like that is they'll run into a trainer who makes them feel shame. And then either they'll lie to the trainer or they'll stop working with them because they keep failing. And that's part of the. Part of the process hard. You're going to start stumble on your way to success. And sometimes it looks like all you do is stumble. And your goal as a trainer is to make the person feel like they can come to you with it.

[Adam]

That's the first goal. The first goal is getting her to ask for help or ask you questions. And then the way I respond is like, there's a lot of things that we can change to improve this, but let's pick one or two things that will start to move the needle in the right direction. For example, we want to shorten your rest periods. We want to build muscle. And right now, if you're doing short rest periods, keeping your heart rate, you're basically just doing cardio with weights. And we want to build muscle. Muscle that's going to be so protective and healthy for you, both on your metabolism and insulin, and then also for overall strength and in the way we look and feel.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Adam]

So let's start with that, and then let's be consistent with that. And then when you're ready for the next thing, I'll add the next thing to you. So let her help guide you on how much you teach her through that process. But you just getting her away from that is already moving her in a better direction. Even just the exercises you were saying, getting her to rest and focus on building Muscle making maybe increase like one step at a time. Then you could talk to her about protein and hitting that consistently. And then you could talk to her about food generally. And then, you know what I'm saying? But slowly stack it based off of how she's giving you that feedback and if you think that it's the appropriate. And then she goes, oh my God, it's overwhelming. Like, okay, that might have been a little bit much. How about we just try this, try the next time, you know what I'm saying?

[Sal]

Just a little, by the way, like, like she's already taken a big step and you, I'd like for you to, if you haven't already, celebrate a success with her, which is that she's already identified what happens, happens. Oh, I feel bad and then I overeat. Like that's a big step.

[Scott]

Yeah, you're aware of it.

[Sal]

That's a big, huge step. But think about it this way, Georgia. Like you seem like you're a young lady. Like you think about like you're more likely to go to your parents with your screw ups if you feel like your parents are going to hammer, are not going to hammer you afterwards. If you feel like, oh man, I could go to my mom and I could tell her when I make a big mistake and she's just going to be like, oh honey, I'm so sorry, sorry, like, that's really tough. Like you're more likely to be really honest with mom and then she has way more power and influence to help coach you versus like, no way I'm telling mom. She's going to freak out. She's going to do all these, you know, crazy things, you know, as a response. So that's like step number one was with somebody who struggles with emotional eating is that she needs to feel like she could tell you and you're not going to make her feel terrible. If anything, you're going to help her feel grace towards herself. That's not, you're not lying to her. Like, yeah, that is tough. That is very difficult. Oh my gosh, I must feel terrible. Terrible happen. Listen. And also forecasting, you know, on this journey, here's what's going to happen. You're going to continue to do this. It's going to keep happening eventually though it'll probably happen less often. But at first it's just going to feel a little worse because you're more aware of it. Whereas before you weren't so aware. Now you're more aware of, oh my gosh, I'm doing this. And I still can't stop it. What's wrong with me? Nothing's wrong with you. This is the first step. It's the biggest step and it will get better. We just got to hang in there. And then you tell me me when you're feeling most challenged and I'll help you through this process. That that's an effective coach.

[Georgia]

Okay. I think I just wanted a little like, I guess affirmation because, like, I, I've never dealt with someone who is like, pre diabetic. And when she did tell me that, I was like, okay, wait, I don't know if I should be doing something like, completely different or like, whatever.

[Sal]

You're good, you're good. You don't want to counter anything her doctor says. But pre diabetic just means that she's on her way towards diabetes. If she continues on path, prediabetes can be reversed. Strength training, daily activity, like walking, you know, making some different food choices. Very powerful, very powerful at reversing that.

[Georgia]

So, like, diet wise, do you think telling her to stick to the whole foods is just like, good for now and like, try to prioritize them?

[Sal]

Absolutely, absolutely. As long as that's in a. If. As long as that's a step she can take. Take. Don't forget this. Sometimes just telling people, sometimes you could say, just eat whole foods and that's too much of a step.

[Georgia]

Yeah.

[Sal]

So. So you have to meet them where they're at.

[Adam]

Yeah. Sometimes it's. You reverse. We have to figure out what all the offenders are like. Let's just try and eliminate that one thing.

[Sal]

Okay.

[Adam]

Change that one thing.

[Sal]

Exactly.

[Adam]

So sometimes it looks like that sometimes if someone's like a heavy process eater, doesn't eat anything consistently healthy, it's like I just got to pick one or two major offenders and then get them to switch that out.

[Sal]

Can you get rid of the gummy bears, you know, or something like that. Like, I've had clothes clients where it was like, can we just get you to drink a glass of water? And that was the start, the starting point for our journey.

[Doug]

Switch the order. So she's protein first.

[Sal]

That's right. You know, I had a client once that this was a tough for her, which she would go and she would binge eat. And so I said, okay, here's what we're going to do. It was just a tough struggle. So I said, here's the deal. We're not going to try to stop binge eating. And she's like, what? I said, no, we're not going to try stopping it, because I think that's causing problems. Instead, here are the foods that you can eat as much as you want when you feel like you want to binge. And I just gave her some choices and we started there and it was really effective.

[Georgia]

Yeah. Like, she said, oh, like, I just love my Starbucks Frappuccino.

[Sal]

Yeah.

[Georgia]

And that's when I was like, okay, like, that's totally fine. Like, I won't tell you not to go get that. Just try to have like a whole food meal before you go and get that.

[Sal]

Great advice.

[Georgia]

I wasn't sure, like, because she's pre diabetic, I was like, I don't know if I should tell her to, like, cut that out right now or like, that's where I got a little.

[Adam]

There's.

[Sal]

There's perfect answers and then there's the ones that are actually going to help the person. And it's almost never perfect. So I can take a client and look at all their stuff and then write up the perfect routine and perfect diet and tell them to cut everything out. You know what's going to happen. They're not going to be able to do it. So it's a total waste of time. Right.

[Georgia]

Okay. This was very helpful.

[Sal]

Yeah. Good job. Are you in our course? Since you're getting certified? Are you taking our course?

[Georgia]

I'm doing, like the NASM certification.

[Adam]

We have a course.

[Sal]

We also have a course. Our course is more focused on how you build your business and how you coach and train clients. So NASM is amazing.

[Jack]

Do your course.

[Sal]

Say what?

[Georgia]

Can I still do your course?

[Adam]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Sal]

It's so complimentary.

[Adam]

What we recommend is NASM and our course. NASM is going to do a really good job of. Give you. Giving you kind of the basics around coaching and your cert. Ours is more centered around, like Sal said, coaching the client, scaling your business. And then you're in our community with all of our trainers, so you're interacting and you're getting mentorship with us along the way.

[Sal]

Our course gives you ceus with nasm. So when you get certified through NASM every year, you have to get so many CEUs to maintain it. Our course is approved by NASM to give you those ceus as well.

[Georgia]

So after I do nasm, should I go into it or should I just go into it now?

[Adam]

You can. You can go into it now.

[Sal]

You'll still get the CEUs. I'll have. Let me have somebody call you Georgia.

[Adam]

And then she'll explain everything.

[Sal]

Yeah, she'll break it all down for you and go through the education so you can see if it's appropriate. Appropriate for you.

[Georgia]

Okay. Awesome.

[Adam]

All right, thanks.

[Sal]

Georgia. Good job, by the way.

[Adam]

Yeah, I think you're handling her great.

[Sal]

I think you're gonna make a great trainer.

[Adam]

You're gonna do great.

[Doug]

You got good intuition.

[Sal]

Yep.

[Georgia]

Thank you. And I also just want to say, I know you guys also, like, obviously it's a fitness podcast, but just like hearing your guys experiences as dads is like, really cool and it's definitely helped me with my relationship with my dad a lot. So thank you very much. Remain vulnerable.

[Sal]

Oh, that's great. That's good to hear. Thank you.

[Adam]

Thank you.

[Georgia]

Thank you. Have a good one, guys too.

[Sal]

That's. That's great. I think she. She did a great job. Yeah.

[Adam]

Especially the limited, obviously, experience that she has right now. I think it was really good. I can't stress enough though, with these early trainers, like, lean on the content. Like, we encourage you to utilize that.

[Sal]

That.

[Adam]

And I don't know, I. That's. To me, it would be a no brainer if I. We had the resources that we had. But even when we were. I was in the gym setting, like early on, I was the least educated, least experienced, but I was really successful. Not other than the fact that, like, what I had the ability to do was if I. Someone had a question that I know the answer, like, I would tell them, like, oh, man, I haven't dealt with that yet. But know what, man? Sal is like one of the most knowledgeable trainers I ever met. I'm gonna get with him and like, he'll help me and then I'll let you know what he says. Like, like, there's nothing wrong with that. People are so afraid to say, I don't know that, that. So then what they do is they're gonna leave you. They try and like, you know, say some kind of advice or pretend just like, just be like, oh, just. It's so easy. Oh, man, I haven't had that challenge yet. But I tell you what, I know so and so. And they're brilliant.

[Sal]

Like, let me find out.

[Adam]

Yeah, let me find out and I'll get back with you tomorrow or later today. I'll send you.

[Sal]

Not only does the client not care, but it builds a stronger relationship. Yes.

[Adam]

Now I trust especially you give me that. And then you hear somebody who's got 20 years experience explain it better than you'll even experience it in the next. Say it in the next five years, say it for you and that client's like, oh damn, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for sharing that with me.

[Sal]

The problem comes from trainers when they care more about the results than the client. You have to care more about the client than the results to truly be effective. Effective. Look, if you like the podcast, come find us on Instagram Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there.

[Justin]

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