2719: Non-Obvious Ways That Fitness Impacts Your Life in a Positive Way

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2719 — Non-Obvious Ways That Fitness Impacts Your Life in a Positive Way

Air Date: November 1, 2025
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the surprising, lesser-known ways that fitness positively shapes lives both in and beyond the gym. Sal, Adam, and Justin take listeners through a data-driven list of nine non-obvious life improvements from regular fitness and share personal experiences, scientific insights, and powerful anecdotes. The team also coaches live callers on topics ranging from career transitions in personal training to specialized fitness routines for beauty professionals and overcoming body image struggles. The tone is candid, humorous, and compassionate, with the hosts emphasizing empowerment and real-world results.

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Main Discussion: Non-Obvious Benefits of Fitness

[02:38–37:14]
Sal introduces a list of "the most data-supported non-obvious ways that fitness impacts people’s lives," and the hosts riff on each, sharing research, stories, and actionable advice.

1. Sexual Health

• Better intimacy, sexual function, and desire:
  • "Women achieve orgasm easier, the amount and type of intimacy improves…men see better erectile health…Actually if you look at the data, aside from improving your relationship, nothing’s better than improving your health." — Sal, [03:40]
• Psychological boost:
  • "I feel more confident, my posture’s up better, and I just carry myself better. And that translates into being more in the mood." — Adam, [05:08]
• Consistent feedback from clients:
  • Sal shares how older female clients reported improved sex lives from fitness even without major weight loss.

2. Productivity at Work

• "We used to present this to companies…For every dollar invested [in employee fitness], they would get $2 back in productivity." — Sal, [09:13]
• Physical activity reduces sick days, enhances focus, and boosts workplace output.

3. Confidence & Self-Esteem

• Not merely from physical transformation — regular movement improves self-image even before major visible changes.
  • "There was research…regular exercise improved body image and self-worth without any major changes." — Sal, [12:07]
• Setting tough goals and choosing to do hard things amplifies this benefit.

4. Mood Elevation & Mental Health

• "Exercise is 150% more effective than therapy and medication for depression and anxiety. It’s incredible." — Sal, [13:40]
• Example: Sal’s own withdrawal from Kratom and how his workout turned his mood around in real time, [15:38].

5. Sleep Quality

• Exercise, especially strength training, dramatically improves sleep depth and duration.
  • "I bet a large reason why people are suffering from sleep issues...is just the fact we’re so inactive." — Sal, [18:13]
• Inactivity undermines sleep for adults just as much as for kids.

6. Chronic Pain Relief

• Most modern pain is from poor movement, not injuries. Appropriate exercise restores function and aids pain better than medication for many.
  • "You show them that pain relief and it’s a done deal." — Sal, [20:09]

7. Social Connection

• Gyms are among the best places for encouragement and support.
  • "It’s the opposite of that [judgmental image]. The culture in a gym is so uplifting." — Sal, [21:50]
• Parallels between community in churches and hardcore gyms — places where strangers support each other.

8. Discipline & Resilience

• Exercise trains the 'growth mindset' and the power of delayed gratification.
  • "You have to move out of that 'I'm fixed' mindset to last in fitness. It all bleeds over to the rest of life." — Sal, [25:54]

9. Boosted Brain Power & Creativity

• Movement and even just walking stimulate BDNF and creative breakthroughs.
  • "All my best ideas come out when I work out." — Sal, [26:18]

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Notable Quotes

• "Exercise is 150% more effective than therapy and medication for depression and anxiety." — Sal, [13:40]
• "You don’t need to lose 30lbs for exercise to boost your confidence; it happens with the smallest commitment." — Sal, [12:07]
• "There’s nothing worse than an overconfident trainer. That’s a disaster of a trainer." — Sal, [64:19]

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Other Key Topics & Memorable Moments

The Egg Experiment

[28:40–36:36]

• Discussion of a man who ate 24 eggs a day (720 in a month) and saw an 18% LDL drop and a 79% jump in testosterone.
  • The hosts debate if the effect is from the eggs’ completeness/cholesterol or simply eating more protein on lower calories.
  • Old-school bodybuilding lore about eggs resurfaces.
• "Nothing will get my strength to skyrocket like eating 8-10 eggs a day. Nothing comes close." — Sal, [33:15]

Fitness in Different Cultures and Workplaces

[09:47–10:11]

• Japan’s morning calisthenics and integrating movement culturally.
• Value of company fitness programs.

Male Friendship Dynamics

[50:11–54:09]

• The guys riff on male teasing, thick skin, and why humor is a vehicle for closeness among men.

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Live Caller Coaching Segments

Reese from Texas — New Trainer Imposter Syndrome

[60:30–68:14]

• Reese lost 60lbs, is about to get NASM certified, but feels unsure about being 'ready.'
• Advice:
  • Authenticity, relatability, and care matter more than perfection or extreme expertise.
  • "The imposter feeling is a sign you care. Most clients need basics and trust more than anything fancy." — Sal, [62:37]
  • Never stop learning, get real-world reps (even for free), seek mentorship.

Brandon from Arizona — Rebuilding Explosiveness

[69:26–80:56]

• After group fitness & injuries, wants agility and power back for flag football.
• Advice:
  • Prioritize plyometrics and explosiveness — only one day/week of heavy strength.
  • "You’ve built your foundation. Now maintain that while rebuilding speed; the right dose is less, not more." — Adam, [73:58]
  • Performance Advanced program recommended; focus on mobility and joint care.

Amanda from Oregon — Fitness Programs for Beauty Professionals

[80:58–92:41]

• Lash artist, veteran, passionate about creating targeted programs for her industry (rife with overuse injuries and all-or-nothing thinking).
• Advice:
  • Use MAPS Prime Pro for joint health and problem area relief (ex: wrists, neck, shoulders); MAPS 15 for simple, sustainable training.
  • Teach small, restorative routines between clients; fix pain before pitching full programs.
  • "Nobody out there is talking to this market. You have a home run business idea." — Adam, [85:18]
  • Brand corrective routines to speak to beauty professionals’ unique needs (e.g., "lash neck").

April from Wisconsin — Reverse Dieting and Career Change

[93:33–107:06]

• Previously advised to reverse diet and run a powerlifting program, but followed coach’s restrictive deficit instead before burning out. Now wants to do it "the Mind Pump way."
• Advice:
  • Start Power Lift with a reverse diet, increase calories to 2000+ as comfortable, and work with a Mind Pump coach for accountability.
  • "You’ll hate it at first — but you have to stick with it. It gets better only after you push through the discomfort." — Sal, [100:45]
  • Interested in nutrition/coaching career — witness the process as a client, then specialize (eventually consider a functional medicine cert for autoimmune clients).
• Encouraged not to expect perfection, but progress and learning.

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• [02:38] Main list of non-obvious benefits begins
• [03:40] Sexual health & fitness
• [09:13] Productivity in the workplace
• [13:40] Exercise vs. therapy/medication for mood
• [18:13] Fitness and sleep
• [21:50] Social connection & gym culture
• [25:54] Discipline, resilience, and delayed gratification
• [26:13] Creativity and brain health
• [28:40] The egg-only experiment
• [50:11] Guys on male teasing/humor
• [60:30] Reese — imposter syndrome as a new trainer
• [69:26] Brandon — getting back agility/explosiveness
• [80:58] Amanda — fitness for beauty professionals
• [93:33] April — reverse dieting and coaching career

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is packed with actionable insight and raw honesty about what fitness really gives you beyond a better body — from sharper mood to deeper relationships and newfound creativity. The live Q&As highlight how personal fitness journeys can serve as both inspiration and practical learning tools for entire communities and for aspiring coaches.

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Find more:

• Mind Pump @mindpumpmedia | mindpumppodcast.com
• MAPS programs: mapsfitnessproducts.com

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Summary compiled in the direct language and spirit of the hosts, with segment highlights and timestamps for reference.

Transcript

[Sal DeStafano]

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[Sal DeStafano]

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[Adam Schafer]

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[Doug (Producer/Host)]

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[Sal DeStafano]

Most downloaded fitness, health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we had live callers call in and we got to coach them on air for their health and fitness. But this was after the intro. Today's intro was 57 minutes long. And now in the intro we talk about fat loss and muscle gain and fitness and family life. It's always a good time. By the way, if you want to be on an episode like this where we can coach you on air for free, send us your questions. Send it to liveindpupmedia.com now. This episode is brought to you by some sponsors. The first one is Rock Recovery Center. This is a rehab facility run by good friends of ours. If you or a friend or a family member or a loved one is struggling with addiction, this is what you got to do. Go to rockrecoverycenter.com mind pump. You'll get some free help. Plus they're going to be giving away a scholarship this month, which is a $60,000 scholarship to one person for free for this help that they desperately need. Again, it's rocketrecoverycenter.com mindpump. This episode is also brought to you by Masszymes. These are digestive enzymes for people who are into fitness. Digestive enzymes will help break down your proteins, fats and carbohydrates so your muscles get what they need, you recover better and you have better digestion. Go check them out. Go to MassZymes.com, that's M A S S Z Y-M-E-S.com MindPump. Use the code MindPump10. Get 10% off any order. Also, these are the final hours for our sale on maps. GLP1. This is a workout program, diet supplement, lifestyle program for people who are using Ozempic or Wegovy Semaglutide, Tirzepatide. You want to maximize the fat loss and keep the muscle. Get this program. Go to maps glp1.com use the code GLP50 for the half off discount. All right, real quick.

[Justin Andrews]

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[Adam Schafer]

Enjoy the rest of the show.

[Sal DeStafano]

Working out and fitness makes you leaner, stronger, you look amazing. Better athleticism. But you know that there's a lot of ways proven by data that are clearly impacted in positive ways in your entire life. There's a lot of weird ways. People don't even know that fitness will improve dramatically. In fact, oftentimes better than almost anything else. We're gonna talk about those ways right now.

[Adam Schafer]

Is there a list you have that you can take a guess at?

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, I want us to guess. We know. I think we're gonna know all of them. Most of them. But what I did is I went on and I did some research on the most data supported non obvious ways that fitness impacts people's lives.

[Adam Schafer]

So we're positive obviously. Strength, stamina. That's not that. Yeah, it's like stuff like not like physical sex work.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Relationships.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, let's back up. Let's start with your first.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's go.

[Sal DeStafano]

Let's start with your first.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, how many we got? How many we got?

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, I have nine here that I listed that have like really crazy data supporting them. Okay, but you mentioned the first, what was the first one that you said? Sexual health.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes, sexual health. So in the data on this is pretty remarkable. People, when they improve their fitness, you have these objective measures that seem to improve. So women achieve orgasm easier, the amount and type of intimacy improves. In other words, sexual frequency goes up. Plus when people are intimate with each other, they report that it's better bonding, it's closer erection, you know, start to improve in terms of, you know, how many erections, blood flow, all that stuff. It is actually if again if you look at the data of all the things you can do to improve your sex life, aside from. So I'm going to be careful here. Aside from improving your relationship. Right. Because if you have a terrible relationship.

[Adam Schafer]

Right.

[Sal DeStafano]

It ain't going to help.

[Justin Andrews]

That's probably number one.

[Sal DeStafano]

Aside from that Nothing is better than improving your health.

[Adam Schafer]

Those are. Those are like physiological markers that we can actually measure, test, improve. I would make the argument there's a large psychological component to that also. Huge. It's. Katrina teases me all the time that the minute I'm in my rhythm of routine and I don't have to make that big of a change, I mean, I'm just getting back on routine. All of a sudden I'm brushing my teeth naked, I'm walking. Like, I just. I feel more confident.

[Sal DeStafano]

I hate the.

[Justin Andrews]

That I just got every time.

[Adam Schafer]

That's why I do that on purpose.

[Sal DeStafano]

Come on, bro, get that out of my head. You know Winnie the Pooh or.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, or my wi.

[Sal DeStafano]

Sure, I got my Winnie the Poo lift.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's my go to move. But no, really, like, all seriousness, like, that's a. It's something. I remember actually connecting those dots with Katrina during. In our. In 15 years we've been together and having that conversation of like, you know, just me training. It's crazy. It doesn't even necessarily have to have this crazy different look. To me, it's just strength training and lifting. I think my posture's up better, I feel better, and so I just carry myself better. And that just translates into me being more in the mood and wanting to be like, it's just. And that's. I can't show that or measure that with blood work or prove that. But I definitely see the psychological psychology.

[Sal DeStafano]

Studies show that they actually show that. That fitness dramatically improve. All those things that we would connect to good intimacy, connection, self image, frequency, all that stuff, just this satisfaction you get from it. They all improve through better fitness. It's funny, you remind me of some. I remember getting this used to take me back or I'd be taken aback from these comments from clients. And the people that would comment on this, I'll just be very clear. Were almost always my. My female clients over the age of 60. They would feel. Now keep in mind, when I was training these women, I was in my 20s and I would develop a relationship with them where they would often look at me like their grandson. In fact, they would often say that they'd introduce me as, oh, this is my other grandson. And so they just felt very comfortable saying things to me. There was no like, mal intent or weirdness. Okay, so I'll just preface it. But the comment that what I would get from them and they would be very tactful when they would. The way they would present this. But they'd say to me, in other words, that their, their libido and sex life improved. And this was almost consist. This was like consistent across the board. They would come tell me and say things like, I remember the first time I heard this, one of my clients came to me. I can remember. I don't wanna say her name, but I remember who it was. And she says, sal. Does fitness affect. This was how she started. Does it affect other things in your life? I'm like, like energy? No, no, no, not energy, but, you know, like Brandy. Like other things. I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, you know, like things with my husband. And I'm like, oh, are you noticing a difference? Like, oh, yeah, my husband's commenting. And she's like, does fitness do that? I'm like, I think it does. And then, of course, through the years of training, it was very consistent that they would comment that it improved the. Their intimacy, which is remarkable. All right, what's another one that you guys.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, I mean, obviously productivity. You accomplish things consistently, like training. So it's, It's. You realize that you can overcome a lot of adversity objectives. It's just like, it's a mindset that you keep building and fostering that totally bleeds into, like work and getting things done.

[Adam Schafer]

Is that. Is that isolated as productivity or is it because I feel like Justin almost named two right there in one. Is he. Is there. Is it isolated to that?

[Sal DeStafano]

To. To productivity?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. What is the actual. What is the. What did you list?

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes. So yes, increases productivity. So this is how clear of a benefit it is. In fact, we used to present this to companies when we were trying to sell, were called corporate memberships. So if corporate memberships, like you go to a company, you talk to the CEO, whoever is in charge of this stuff. And oftentimes it wasn't the CEO, but it was someone who's in charge of doing this. And you would ask them to pay for a corporate membership. Wellness. Yeah. Which would allow their employees to work out at your gym for either free or a great discount. And so when you present this, what you would bring is data to show them how it affects their bottom line. And the. For every dollar, this is what the data shows. For every dollar that was invested in a health and wellness type program that resulted in people actually participating. And gym memberships was one of the best investments when they did that. For every dollar invested, they would get $2 back in productivity. $2.

[Adam Schafer]

It also would reduce the amount of sick days in the year that's included in that.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, all that stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

I don't know how many things you can do as a company where you put a dollar and you get $2 back.

[Adam Schafer]

It's, it's actually taking a really long. You see definitely today a lot more companies that have those budgets like, like there's, it is way more popular, but still not. I mean, I, I just thought, I remember when we used to do it. That was 20 years ago.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Schafer]

We had that data. And I always thought it was so crazy that not every employer like offered something like that for their employees. More do today than ever. But I still think there's a large percentage that don't.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, it's interesting too because like, I know in some culture, I know Japan, for example, has implemented exercise as part of their routines. This is actually a cultural thing where they'd get all the employees out together in the morning and they do calisthenics or something to get everybody, get everybody.

[Justin Andrews]

On the same page.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

So much that. And then also breaking up the day.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

If you're sitting too much, like to, you know, revamp everybody's motivation.

[Sal DeStafano]

But so I had, I'm sure you guys have had this experience. I had clients that hired me for health reasons. Like either my wife made me come or the doctor had a bad report from my doctor. So I got to be here. And then they stayed because they saw better productivity at work. I had one guy in particular, sticks out. Jim was his name and he was a self made multimillionaire. I mean, this guy was a remarkable gentleman. And he was at the time in his 60s and he was totally self made. Like dropped out of high school, like, great story. And he hired me because his wife was like, you got to work out. Your health is. You're a lot of stress. So he's kind of like begrudgingly came and worked it because I trained her first. So begrudgingly he kind of started and then he kept coming. And I'm like, man, you've become like this. One of my most consistent clients. Why is that? He goes, sal. And he was obviously, you know, the CEO. He's like, I do better meetings, I can close better deals. He's like, I'm more productive. He's like, nothing's made me a better businessman than just getting more fit. So productivity is another one. I'll give you guys one because we kind of touched on it earlier when we talked about intimacy or you know, sex, confidence and self esteem.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay. So that's the psychological part right there. That's part of what plays into that.

[Sal DeStafano]

Here's what's cool about this, okay? What someone might think is connected to this is the fact that your body looks different. So someone may say that's the point.

[Adam Schafer]

I was making was that I know that I haven't even made a physical intrinsic. I know that I have it like physically changed body fat percentage or built a bunch of muscle, but yet already I have this weird, almost weird confidence, you know?

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, so here's again, here's what's interesting just for the listener, right? It's not because you lost 30 pounds, that'll obviously boost your confidence. So I'm not saying that won't do that, but there was, there's a research done in the Journal of Health Psychology, and it showed that regular exercise improved body image and self worth without any major changes.

[Adam Schafer]

Now, do you think that's because the. You are setting a goal and you're in, you're working towards it? I think that's part of it.

[Sal DeStafano]

I think that's part of it. I think also posture plays a big.

[Justin Andrews]

Part of that, which you kind of mentioned before too.

[Sal DeStafano]

And muscle produces feel good chemicals muscles, this organ in the body that does lots of things. It puts things out. It says, just move your body, you produce, you have healthy levels of catecholamines. These are the things that give you kind of energy. You have lowered inflammation, you have better insulin sense. So physiologically, the machinery that you work with, which is your body and your brain, becomes healthier. So everything kind of feels better, which is gonna make you have better outlook. And then the psychology aspect of it is I'm doing this hard thing because exercise is hard, right? It's this hard thing, but I'm doing it willingly. By the way, if you force somebody to exercise, you actually lose a lot of these benefits. I'm choosing to do this thing that's hard, that's supposed to be better for me. And I think it is better for me. And the psychology of that is.

[Adam Schafer]

By the way, I think this is one of the number one benefits of the cold plunge that, you know, we talk, we argue and debate.

[Sal DeStafano]

No, you're right.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a recovery, but it's hard. I think the probably the most valuable thing, truly, outside of all the things everybody likes to debate over, is that it's a really hard thing to do every single morning to get up and do something like everything else is easier. And there's something to be said about doing that, you know, and the feeling you get afterwards. I think that's Actually one of the most important and probably underrated parts about Coldplant.

[Sal DeStafano]

Totally, totally. All right, I'll give you guys another one. Somewhat connected, but different. It elevates mood, fights stress, or to put it differently, it fights depression and anxiety. And the most recent data on this is crazy. Remarkable. So what I used to say on the podcast, if you've listened to us long enough, is I would say the data shows that consistent exercise, regardless of body changes, consistent exercise is as effective as therapy and medical treatment. So SSRI plus therapy, it shows it's about as effective. New data has come out which actually destroys that. It's actually one and a half times as effective. In other words, you're feeling down, you have anxiety. Exercise is 150 times, 150% more effective than going to a therapist and taking medication. It's crazy. And I'll add to that medication. You have side effects. You can have sexual side effects, very common. You have down regulation receptors. You got to figure out the right mix. Oftentimes it doesn't work. You don't get lots of other benefits. Therapy can be very helpful, but sometimes it results in self ruminating and you kind of get stuck in this, whatever cycle. Exercise is, according to this data, the best move forward. It's incredible. It's amazing. In fact, this is what it looks like now. I have friends that work in that space and they tell me, and they've been doing it for a long time. They're like, oh, it wasn't something that I had. It was a part of my practice. Now this is a part of my practice. It's like, you know, we're going to do these things plus we're going to find ways to inject exercise and fitness into your life because they've seen huge.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, what a great combo. I mean, we talk about that just being trainers, that a lot of the times it is almost a therapy, therapy session in a sense. You know, just taking people through these movements. But then it just brings out a lot of stuff that's, you know, been in there forever.

[Sal DeStafano]

One of my episodes on the series that I'm doing on our MPTV channel, there's one in particular that I forgot that this happened in it and I went back and I read a comment and it prompted me to like, like, oh, yeah, I remember that. So this particular episode I had, I was going through Kratom with a draw. So Kratom is an herbal opiate. You could buy it over the counter these days and like, like an opiate, if you take it too Long, too consistently. And then you stop. You have this withdrawal, which feels like garbage. It feels like fatigue, like crushing fatigue. I feel down. I feel crappy. And I had gone on this kick of. Of consistently using it for months because I had a loss in the family. And that's an excuse or whatever, but I had been using it. I stopped. I was in the middle of this terrible withdrawal. I had to film for my series. And I start out the series by talking about this. And I'm like, man, I feel like garbage. I feel horrible. But I'm here and I'm gonna talk about it. I gotta do this workout. Halfway through the workout, somebody had commented you could see a clear change and uplifting in Sal's attitude and mood, and that it was true.

[Justin Andrews]

Crazy.

[Sal DeStafano]

I'm doing the workout, and literally, I'm doing the exercise. You guys. I know you guys have had workouts like this where I don't wanna do this like this. This feels like. Like whatever. Halfway through, I'm like, turns a corner. Oh, God. It was. It just felt.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, people report this all the time of, like, you know, not feeling like working out, getting through that first couple sets. Then all of a sudden. Which is. I mean, I've talked about this too. About one of the biggest hacks for myself personally was giving myself permission to just go do one set or one exercise. Because many times what I found was, like, giving myself that permission got me to at least take the step and go, you know what? I can just go do a set of squats.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's not hard.

[Adam Schafer]

But then after doing that, he's like, okay, wait, I can do another set. And then before, you know, it's like, okay, I feel good now.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's right. Which is wild. Here's another one. It's one of the best ways to improve sleep quality. It actually has a measurable, dramatic effect on deep sleep and how quickly you could fall asleep. And if you're able to stay asleep, it has to be appropriate exercise, because if you overdo it, it'll actually do the opposite. By the way, of the forms of exercise, strength training seems to have the best effect on that. But it's an incredible way to improve your sleep. So, in fact, oftentimes, because insomnia or sleep issues higher than ever, people report it more than ever before. I bet. And I know this, but I bet that a large reason why people are suffering from sleep issues more today than they were 20, 30 years ago is just the fact that we're so inactive.

[Adam Schafer]

Inactivity. Your body needs to Be physically. I also would add another one that I bet we don't really think about a lot. At least that I've connected with myself personally. I don't know of too many people that aren't major caffeine users. And if I get a workout and expend and sweat, I seem to utilize that caffeine differently versus if I just drink my normal caffeinated amount every single day that I do every and then not expand and not work out, not sweat. I feel like that has a factor that is playing in and I don't, I don't think we think about that a lot of times. Oh, I have my cups of coffee or my energy drink every day. It's like it's this routine. But there's a clear difference for me of when I exercise. And I think some of that has to do with expending some of that caffeine and putting it to use versus it still kind of sitting and lingering in my system and then making the sleep more difficult.

[Sal DeStafano]

Totally better health gives you better sleep and moving helps you sleep better. You know what's funny about this is the things that we know clearly in children, we seem to think it doesn't apply to adults anymore. Anybody who has kids know this. If you have a kid, a 2 year old and you keep them inside sitting down all day long and then it's time for bed, you're going to have problems, you're going to have issues, you got to get them out and get them to move. And somehow we think, oh well, I'm an adult, it's no longer the same for me. Oh no, it's the same.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, I mean adults too. You think about like pain and chronic pain and like all that stuff, you know, besides just like, you know, the depression, all that's like after a while, like my joints hurt, make them stiff and you know, just expressing that and getting muscle contraction goes so far.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, that's another one. Justin. I didn't even have listed there was pain. Although I think that's maybe a little more obvious.

[Justin Andrews]

It's kind of obvious, yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

But most pain that people suffer from in modern societies today is not the result of an acute injury. Most of the reported pain is the chronic variety. Kind of chronic back pain, chronic knee pain. It just kind of bothers me when I sit down at work or whatever. That's because your body's not moving well. And when you exercise properly, your body learns to move well, your joints learn to move well, the joints rebuild, less inflammation, everything moves way better, works better and good trainers know this, by the way. Good trainers know that this is what you lean on, regardless what the client's goal is, because you show them that pain relief and then it's a done deal. They see the value.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Sal DeStafano]

All right, here's another one. It's. And there's great data on this. People who exercise consistently have greater social connections. And I. There was a video that the staff shared with me and I think I'm probably going to do a reaction to it. This is the one where I'm like watching it and then I react to it. And there's this woman who's talking to the camera. She's a. She's a bigger woman and she's going to the gym because she's trying to lose weight. And she goes to this kind of hardcore gym. And there's this terrible lie that persists in society that gyms are these kind of judgmental, not accepting places. And the reason why it's such a terrible lie is it's not just not true, it's the opposite of what's actually true. So this woman tells her story how she's in the gym, she feels like people are looking at her. There's these two teenagers make a comment, they laugh and she's like, that they were talking about me. And really makes her feel bad about herself. And then this really jacked, tatted, I think power lifter walks up to her and he says to her, hey. And she goes. And she's. Think she's narrating. She's like, oh, man, here it comes. Like, he's just gonna make me feel terrible. And he says, hey, I've been seeing you in here every single week, working real hard and being consistent. You're doing a great job. And she's crying as she's saying this. And it illustrates the truth of good of gym culture, which is it's one of the best environments you could possibly be in. Yeah, I can't think of a better. Aside from like church or, you know, something like that. Like, I can't think of a better environment where you're going to be amongst a bunch of people who are trying to better themselves, who are struggling or trying to figure these things out. The encouragement and the culture in a gym is so uplifting that. And it's such a. It's such a travesty that people isolate themselves because they're afraid of what might of this lie. But if they start to, you know, say hi to people, talk to, what you'll find is the most incredible social Connections and culture and encouragement you'll ever find.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you just. You just drew a parallel to church, and I think that's a good one. I was. What. What else even comes close to those two when it comes to, like, community and people being, like, People actively being supportive. Like, I'm trying to think of another place in my life where a stranger may. Has walked. Like, I've definitely experienced that at church where someone's come up and said, you know, can I pray for you?

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, you'll get random stuff like that. Which is. Which is wild and inspiring. And then the gym had situations like that where. So I've seen that or done that or been a part of someone coming over and encouraging a stranger, encouraging another stranger. Where else would you see that?

[Sal DeStafano]

I think you'd have to go somewhere where everybody's trying to be better. But I can't think of any common.

[Adam Schafer]

I know. That's why I like a common. Obviously church and gyms are very common. So where else?

[Justin Andrews]

Because even sports, you'll get that competitive.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, no, that's different.

[Sal DeStafano]

You might get that on a team, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, yeah, they'll try. And a good team will. Will try to really, like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's different, though. This is not. I'm talking about a community place where people come to.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, right.

[Adam Schafer]

A coffee shop, a library, where. Where else do people congregate and a stranger walks up and. And I'm not saying that that's never happened in, like, a coffee shop, but.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, but it's not a place that everybody's going to. To. To try to become better. Yeah, that's what a gym is.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

In fact, if you go to a.

[Justin Andrews]

Gym, that's the core of it.

[Adam Schafer]

That's also where a church is, too. So where else, society do we find a community like that where people would do that?

[Justin Andrews]

I can't think of some recovery place, maybe.

[Sal DeStafano]

Right. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Father Steve is a priest, but he's also a bodybuilder. Him and I had this exact conversation. He said, you know what? There's things that the church can learn from gyms. He goes, good churches do this, but he goes, gyms. I've been in more gyms where you feel encouraged and cared for because of the culture. And this is true, guys. You go to a good gym, you go to the hardcore gyms, by the way, are the best at this. They're the best at this. You go in there, nobody cares. Your political beliefs, they don't care what color your hair is. They don't care how overweight you are, how unfit you are, if you're in there working and trying with them and you start talking to people, it's. The culture is incredible. It's one of the best places you could go.

[Justin Andrews]

That would be my only caveat because, you know, some of those, like, commercial gyms, like, you could get, like, a whole host of people that are just there to mess around.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

But, yeah, like, the. The serious people are usually the best.

[Sal DeStafano]

Totally. Here's another one this was based off of, again, in psychology research, it sharpens discipline and resilience. So psychology research shows that exercise fosters a growth mindset. By the way, you have to have a growth mindset if you're gonna work out for any length, a period of time. A growth mindset is one that says, I can change, I can grow. I'm not stuck or fixed in this. You know, where I'm at right now. Like, you have to move out of that if you. If you ever. If you want to have a long relationship with fitness and does that bleed over to the rest of your life? Oh, you better believe.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. It also exercises that delayed gratification muscle. Right. It's like I have to. It's not like I go to the gym and I immediately get all these results I want. It's like I have this thing I want to work towards. I'm going to go in and do this thing every day, and I'm going to see very little change, especially initially, yet I'm going to keep doing it. And so the ability to delay gratification, I think, serves you in so many other ways in life.

[Sal DeStafano]

Totally.

[Adam Schafer]

So I don't know if that falls in the same category, if it's a different one, but I think that's very, very similar to that.

[Sal DeStafano]

And then finally one more. It boosts, excuse me, brain power and creativity. And we can link it to physiological phenomena like BDNF getting released. Or, by the way, writers have known this forever. Like, when you get writer's block, what's the typical.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, go for a walk.

[Justin Andrews]

Cigarettes or a walk, or both.

[Sal DeStafano]

Have some nicotina, Go for a walk. This is. Look, there's two. There's two reasons why I work out first thing in the morning. One is because it's the only consistent time I can choose. Two is because it's before we podcast and all my best ideas come out when I work. My best thinking is while I'm exercising or walking or doing some kind of movement, period, end of story. So if you value those creative moments more of them happen when you're active and you exercise versus when you don't. So there you go. All right. Speaking of cool, growth minded, you know, stuff or whatever, I got to tell you guys about Ben Bueno from Rock Recovery Center. So Ben and Tom run Rock Recovery Center. They're also hosts of the Real Recovery Talk podcast. And so this is a rehab facility. And, you know, I've been getting to know Ben more and more and more. And it's just when you meet people that care as much as they do about what they do, it's really a gift. It really, really is. Like talking to him and hearing him talk about the people that he's working with and the people he's worked with. If I had a loved one that was infectious.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude.

[Sal DeStafano]

If I had a loved one that was suffering from addiction or if I was, I would want. I definitely would want to go where I like, the people really cared about me. Because that whole, that whole space, some of those places are very profit oriented and they don't really look at people as, you know. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I think that's one of the best parts is that the two of them have been through it. You know what I'm saying? So it's not just guys that see an opportunity to make money in a space that can be lucrative, because I know how corrupt that is. I mean, we shared a long time ago that.

[Sal DeStafano]

What was that documentary?

[Adam Schafer]

Body Brokers. Yeah, yeah, Body Brokers. And if you've never watched that documentary, super enlightened. I mean, I didn't even know that that was a thing until I watched that and was like, oh, my God, what a sick, twisted way to make money. Like, you just have to be a really awful person to profit of that. And I know a lot of people are driven that way. So to see two guys that they're.

[Sal DeStafano]

Not, like, they put their heart and soul.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, a lot of people go over from our audience and. And they go out of their way to help a lot of people for free. Even like they. That they do.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, they do a lot. They. They do not have to do. And in fact, more often than not, I hear them doing stuff like that and like, I. I hope that they can be profitable from what we're. From the amount of effort and love that they give to people that can't. That can't provide anything. So.

[Sal DeStafano]

No, it's awesome. I got this cool story that I saw on Instagram about this guy who did a kind of Self study, which doesn't really count as a study because it's one dude, but it was revolving around eggs. And I'll share to you what he did, which is kind of cool. So this guy did a self experiment where he ate 720 eggs in one month.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, I think I heard this has been a while, right?

[Sal DeStafano]

I think so, yeah. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So what's that per day?

[Sal DeStafano]

What's his 24 eggs a day for 30 days straight?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

So for, for which is a lot. I've never eaten 24 eggs.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't want to be near that toilet.

[Sal DeStafano]

The most I've ever done is I'll do eight to ten in a day, which is a lot.

[Adam Schafer]

Also, I remember reading this, I can't remember what the outcome was. I imagine he saw some positive benefits.

[Sal DeStafano]

His LDL dropped by 18% in four weeks, eating 133,000 milligrams of cholesterol a day. Okay, so he's eating a ton. His testosterone. You ready for this? Went up 79%.

[Justin Andrews]

79.

[Sal DeStafano]

79% increase in testosterone. Yes. Wow. So. And he got stronger, he felt better. All for me. Now eggs are a super food if there ever was a superfood. Eggs are like crazy. How complete they are and what they offer. And the reason why I brought this up, obviously it's not a study. It's one guy. Personally, for me, I've talked about this before. This is an old, this is an old bodybuilding thing. Vince Garanda was big on this. You can look him up if you want to read about. Oh, it was a Harvard medical student that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, okay. So I remember this. I actually brought this up to the podcast.

[Sal DeStafano]

Oh, that's cool.

[Adam Schafer]

When it actually happened. I don't know if you remember, I brought this up.

[Sal DeStafano]

Oh, did you?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. So I'll be the, the turd in the punch bowl here. The thing that I, I commented on this that I also, and I think I posted in my story, if you do the math that, that's 1680. 1680 calories, roughly. And that's somewhere around about 160 grams of protein. And so like my point was, if you consistently hit 168 grams of protein and ate that low of calories for 30 days, I would bet that those markers would come back almost identical to that.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, so we don't know what the rest of his diet was. Right.

[Adam Schafer]

That's all he ate.

[Sal DeStafano]

He ate nothing else?

[Adam Schafer]

Nothing else. Oh, that's a, that's 1 6, oh 8. So he ate a nice. He at 1800 calorie. Low calories. So diet, that's 1800 calories, nothing else.

[Justin Andrews]

High protein, low calories.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay, so I'll, I'll throw, I'll throw a wrench in that then. Adam.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

What would you expect to happen with a man's testosterone?

[Adam Schafer]

So what. So what makes that amazing is just also it highlights how complete an egg is.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Because you could, I mean, what else could you eat only 1800 calories of and still see that many Positive.

[Sal DeStafano]

You wouldn't see a. Typically if a man eats. It was 1600 calories or 18. 18.

[Adam Schafer]

I did the math. What, 70 calories an egg? Right.

[Sal DeStafano]

So you figure 60 to 70.

[Adam Schafer]

So say 70 calories an egg times 24 is 1680.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay. If a guy ate 1600 calories a day for a month, you would expect to see a drop in testosterone. That's a remarkably low calorie. So. And you would, predictably, I would always guess.

[Adam Schafer]

Now what I think is that that's such a great balance of fat and protein. And so I think it, I think that's why.

[Sal DeStafano]

But even so, a huge calorie deficit, which 1600 calories for a guy is a pretty big deficit, would cause typically a lowering of testosterone.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I'm. What's up?

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Well, he didn't eat all of his eggs just raw or, you know, cooked eggs. They have. Some of them were fried, so there'd.

[Sal DeStafano]

Be oil involved, maybe a little bit.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

More, so there'd be more calories. Deviled eggs. He ate deviled eggs.

[Adam Schafer]

That's, that's negligible though my. Still remains the same. Here's an argument can made though, too, though. Let's say he was higher body fat percentage and unhealthy going into this, into the test for 30 days. It would show improvements on.

[Sal DeStafano]

Is that the. Not necessarily, but maybe. Right.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, that could, that could show that.

[Sal DeStafano]

Is that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. He didn't look, he didn't look like an obese guy.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

No, he was very thin guy.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So he was.

[Sal DeStafano]

You take a dude, you take a thin dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

And you have him eat 1600 calories a day for 30 days, you will almost always see a drop in testosterone. Definitely not a 75, 79 increase. Yeah, I mean, if I, if I present that to you guys, we would all guess your, your testosterone will lower. Now here's where I'm going with this. I again, old school bodybuilders do this and I experiment with this all the time, and it lasts for about 45 to 60 days. Then the effect tends to wear off when I dramatically increase my cholesterol intake from eggs.

[Adam Schafer]

You talk about strength gains.

[Sal DeStafano]

Huge strength gains. Yeah. It is the most anabolic thing I've ever done with food ever appeared in a story. Aside from eating healthy, there's nothing will get my strength to skyrocket eating 8 to 10 eggs a day in my diet. Nothing. Yeah, nothing comes close.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Even if I eat a steak or other things to replace it. So. And that's something I encourage people to do. No, I don't encourage you. Do it at your own. You know, you could do it yourself, test it for yourself, experiment wise.

[Adam Schafer]

But I mean, there's not a lot.

[Sal DeStafano]

Strain gains are crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

There's a not. I mean, the only thing that maybe come close to this would be eating like just steak for that many calories. And steak would be probably close to this.

[Sal DeStafano]

But I think it's the cholesterol, you guys. I think there's something with dietary cholesterol.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, you would get that if you ate that much.

[Sal DeStafano]

Much.

[Adam Schafer]

If you ate that much steak, you would get close to that, wouldn't you?

[Sal DeStafano]

No way. Not 1300? Not. Not 130.

[Adam Schafer]

Not. No, not as much.

[Sal DeStafano]

But you still most high cholesterol food.

[Adam Schafer]

You get a decent amount of cholesterol.

[Sal DeStafano]

I mean, I don't know. You know, 60. 60 calories worth of steak ain't gonna give you how many. How many grams of cholesterol is in one egg. It's pretty hard.

[Adam Schafer]

You would know that better than me.

[Sal DeStafano]

I forgot. Yeah, it's pretty high. Maybe Doug, you could look that up. But you, you can't. Calorie. Per calorie. You're not gonna get that much cholesterol.

[Adam Schafer]

But I do think, I do think that it's a. It's a pretty remarkable. When you, when you put somebody in a calorie restriction, how. Regardless of what they're eating, how many positive benefits. You see the thing that's interesting.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's true.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, like you, you take somebody and put them in a. And especially in only 30 days because extend this out for six months and maybe you do start to see some adverse effects.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, the LDL would almost always go down. Yeah.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

186 milligrams.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. You ain't going to get that in. In 60 calories worth of steak.

[Adam Schafer]

So you're getting the extra benefits.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. So I again, I mean, this is.

[Adam Schafer]

Why though an egg is also been known as like a perfect food.

[Sal DeStafano]

Right. And here's the other. Here's the thing. I'll point to Complete a whole egg versus egg protein. That's equivalent. When they compare them for muscle protein synthesis, the whole egg is significantly higher in stimulating muscle growth. So I don't think it's the protein. I think it's the cholesterol.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

And again, there's some studies that show this, that when you boost dietary cholesterol with like older populations, they get stronger, they build muscle. So I think that's. That might be what we're looking at.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

And you guys know that I've talked about like this.

[Justin Andrews]

We've been scared out of eating it, you know, and so, yeah, I think it's definitely.

[Adam Schafer]

That would be so hard for me to eat 24 eggs in a day. That's a lot of eggs.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's a lot, dude. I mean, when I do, I'm also.

[Adam Schafer]

Not a big egg fan in the first place. So it's like, it's. I don't think they're like great tasting. I can have them. I have them in something though. The toast, burrito, something.

[Justin Andrews]

The smell of them. Too much, you know, it's too much.

[Sal DeStafano]

You know who eats a lot of eggs just goes like, my son. Yeah. My son who's.

[Justin Andrews]

I know mine does.

[Sal DeStafano]

He's. He's. He's going to turn five here soon. He could easily, like, easily eat five in a day.

[Adam Schafer]

That's awesome.

[Sal DeStafano]

For a five year old. That's awesome. That's crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I wish Max liked eggs more. Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Does he like them at all or not really?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. He's not a fan.

[Sal DeStafano]

No matter how you make them. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean I could try to. He's not a. He's not a fan. I'm not, I'm not either. So it's hard for me to push them on them when I'm like. I didn't like throw a lot of.

[Sal DeStafano]

Salt on it, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I mean I, I didn't. I actually never ate them until I started. Until I became a personal trainer and obviously figured out the. How beneficial they were and how healthy. So it became like a. I disciplined myself and then over time I've gotten better at. But you know, I just had a recent. I had one of the places I ordered breakfast from just got a bad batch that just tastes and now I'm like. I haven't had them for like almost three weeks now because it's like now it's hard to get like a bad.

[Sal DeStafano]

Isn't that weird?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

You ever, you ever eat something and you get sick from it?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

You can read it.

[Adam Schafer]

It's so Weird. It'll take a while before I definitely won't order from them first. And you know, I'm saying, like, it's just, it's just. And I'm sure the psychological phenomenon, totally. And I'm aware of it, yet still.

[Sal DeStafano]

It'S like, bro, that happened to me with Thai food. I loved Thai food.

[Adam Schafer]

Loved it, Got sick.

[Sal DeStafano]

Then I went to Thailand and almost died. And now if I eat anything that's Thai, it's like I have to like to kind of get over that weird, you know? And I used to love Thai food, but because it got so sick, it completely ruined it for me. It happened with tequila too. That's a different. That's a different story.

[Justin Andrews]

And sushi.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. Anyway, digestive enzymes. I want to talk about this for a second because I've been one of our partners, bio optimizers that have, you know, digestive enzymes that you take with your meals. And I. It was just kind of looking up.

[Adam Schafer]

That's their mass times, mass times.

[Sal DeStafano]

I was looking up there, the value of using them and what's the value? And you know, as you get older, you produce less and less digestive enzymes in your body. So as you age, you break food down more difficultly. So digestive enzymes become more valuable as you get older. They're especially valuable if anybody's ever had their, not their appendix removed. What's the other thing sometimes people get removed? Gallbladder. Yeah. You remove your gallbladder, you're going to probably want to always supplement them.

[Adam Schafer]

Now does your cell. Does your body become like. I've actually thought about trying them because it's not something that I, I really, I know you use like religiously and I know Justin does too pretty often and, oh, I wonder if I were to take it and if it would improve digest. Maybe I don't feel like I need it. But what if I were to take it? Could I feel an improvement from it? That's first question. Follow up question of that is, is there any sort of down regulation? Like, so let's say my body already kind of naturally does a good job of doing that. And then because I start supplementing for it, would it down regulate? Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

There's no, there's no feedback loop with enzymes, like with hormones.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

So your body's like, it doesn't like perceive them, go, oh, we got.

[Adam Schafer]

That's kind of why I've never messed with it because I'm like, I don't really have a problem and I don't want to start taking question and then become like, dependent that I have to start taking them all the time. So I could totally mess around with taking it and just see, hey, if. Does it feel better? Does it feel like I.

[Sal DeStafano]

So digestive enzymes, think of them as like little scissors in the body. So you eat a carbohydrate or a protein or a fat, and enzymes go in and break them into fatty acids or amino acids or more simple sugars for utilization in the body. It's especially valuable for high protein diets. One of the things that sometimes people will say when they eat a really high protein diet is their digestion. It's a little more difficult on their digestion. And this was always my go to. If I had a client, I bumped her protein from she was eating 50 grams a day to a 100, you know, 100.

[Justin Andrews]

They're not used to red meat especially.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. It's like, here, throw some digestive enzymes and see how you feel. And I'd say probably six or seven out of ten times. That was it. That was all we needed to do was have those. Those digestive enzymes. So really high protein diet, I would say, is more valuable.

[Adam Schafer]

I know if I don't bring it up, I know Justin will never get to it because this is his notes, I think, because I see Gruden and Manning and we never get to talk about eating sports aid. And I don't know. I don't know what this is. So I'm like, so curious.

[Sal DeStafano]

Who are those people?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, no, yeah, no, it was funny. I watched this video of Gruden. He was talking about, like, Manning, how ruthless he was with his research in homework. And so, you know, and he was just a brilliant mind out there on the field and would pick defenses apart. But one thing in particular, like, stood out to him. He. He had heard him, like, doing calls, so he's like, calling the play and he's like, checking down and. And he starts listening. And one of the. One of the defenders, like, hey, hey, wait a minute, that's my wife's name. And then he goes through the line of. Of the dbs, and he memorized every one of their first and last names. So he'll call them out, like, specifically where he's. He's throwing it and like, it's just a mess with their mind.

[Adam Schafer]

So I was always, I know Tom Brady's a goat, but I was a Peyton Manning fan. And so. And for a long time, I used to make the argument that Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady. And then obviously, after all the Super Bowls, I could no longer make that argument anym anymore. But he was my favorite for those reasons, like the amount of research and homework that he went into. And then you also will talk to like Ray Lewis and linebackers that played against him and they said like he was just an absolute nightmare to play against for that reason. Like he just, he knew your defense better than your defense knew their own psychological warfare. Yeah. And so which he was. He was so famous for all the audibles that he would call when he come to line. He'd come to line and never did he run the play that was planned. He always called all these audibles because he would get to the line in the formation, he'd see their defense, he knows their defense better and he knows where all the holes were in it and would call an audible right away and just made it so difficult for a defense to like play with that, you know, so. No, I love that he's. He's so great. Dude.

[Sal DeStafano]

I think it's so remarkable to me how, and I think it's most clear in sports how there's. There are people that are just in another universe.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

In terms of ability and sports makes it very clear. You can see it very clearly when you see a 300 pound man run faster than you've ever seen your life. It's like, oh, there's a different level of human. But what trips me out about that is I like to extend that out into other things. There are people who are like that in business. There are people who are like that with science and math that are just in a. Like I was looking at.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Their own league by, by themselves.

[Sal DeStafano]

What was that? I sent you a text. Adam on Elon Musk. Love him or hate him, you know, it doesn't matter. You know, based on what I'm about to say. So you can love him or hate him when it comes to his entrepreneurship.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah. He's at the number one. Number two, number five.

[Sal DeStafano]

He co founded the first, second and fifth most profitable most valuable private companies in the world right now.

[Adam Schafer]

Private too.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes. As well as the 10th most valuable public company in the world. All founded by him. Yeah. Yeah. That is unheard of.

[Adam Schafer]

That doesn't make it another level of brilliance. I, I think the reason why I get so excited about the sports is because you, you have the, the merging of the two. So you have a. Like Manning. Do you remember? I think I brought it up on this. I think I brought up on the podcast. Shame on me if I didn't. That when Manning was rehabbing and they had the eye test on him and it was the first time they'd ever seen somebody tracking. It was tracking real time. It didn't make sense to them. They've never seen that before. Where everybody.

[Sal DeStafano]

We have a little bit of a lot.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, everybody has a bit of delay. There's zero delay. He's almost ahead of you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's what they said. They say it was almost like he was predicting where it. Like, so you have this, you have this guy who's brilliant, like has the ability to memorize wives names and formations of a team you're playing that is rotating every week better than the old team knows. And then also his physical capabilities of being able to predict where some. I mean, that's just.

[Sal DeStafano]

What do you guys think a guy like him would be thousand years ago? There's no sports, there's no football. Oh, like war.

[Adam Schafer]

War strategist.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. Or like most successful hunter of all time. You know, the deer's way over there. He's like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And because of his mind. And if you go back then I think he, I think he becomes like war. He's the guy who everybody follows because he could go out there and throw the spear better than you.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And then his brain is so good that he's can strategize. But so he's definitely the guy who's.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's cool. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Maybe he threw. Maybe he, he, he killed a lot first to prove how great he was. And then he's. Then he's really strategizing at a high level. That's the only thing I could think of that would be valuable that far back.

[Sal DeStafano]

You know, I, I saw this, this, this woman did this post and she was talking about women's hormone cycles and how different they are throughout the month. And then she made this statement and I'm like, let me fact check this statement. And she said that women report burnout at higher rates than men do. So I'm like, is this true? Of course. Is this true? So stop, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

No, let's let us. I don't even say that in a sexist way. I mean, listen, I could. There's no way I could handle carrying a baby for months. I would break.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, so I looked this up. I said, do they actually report more burnout? And so I looked up the stat and it's about almost 20% higher rate reported levels of burnout. And then I saw. And I said, okay, maybe this is because they feel more responsible for household. Like these are women who are working. So women versus men who work who report burnout. So I'm like, okay, maybe it's because women feel more responsible generally. This is a widely held belief, but there's data to support this that they feel more responsible for, even though they're working household stuff and the kids. So I said, okay, let me compare single women to single men, because that would get rid of that, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

And still they report. Yeah, I think about 13 to 15%.

[Adam Schafer]

I think we were. I think we were just created, both men and women to handle different types of stress better than others. There's stress that I think women do better than. Example that was an easy layup is the, the pregnancy. Like, I just could not. Day in day, I get up and like, just. That boggles me to just be. Be fine with that and live with that. There's no way.

[Sal DeStafano]

I've said this before. I've said this before. If we were the ones to get pregnant, like, every birth and delivery would be.

[Adam Schafer]

But ask general anesthesia. Ask me to run on four hours of sleep, get up at 5am, go do a grueling job where I have to use, like, physically beat my body up, and then get up and do that again. And like, I could do that, you know, like so many, many days in a row.

[Sal DeStafano]

So I went into the data and I said, And I said, okay, why is this the case? What does the data show? What are we showing? And it says that men have a. They can depersonalize at a higher rate. Meaning that they can detect.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Disconnect and detach. Which sometimes it's criticized like, you shouldn't do that. In fact, the. Too much depersonalization is a. Isn't is a bad thing. Right. Disassociation. But I do think there's a value to it. Now, what would the historic value be? Well, you leave your home to go do this thing. You're gone. You have to support your family or you're gone, you're at war or whatever. I think that's valuable to be able to handle certain stresses that, you know, that maybe men historically have had to do. But I thought that was an interesting stat. I don't think it's a bad thing, but I do think it's interesting.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't think it's a weaker, stronger species thing. I think that, again, I think that we, we each have our strengths when it comes to dealing with different types of stress. Whether it be.

[Sal DeStafano]

Which is cool, because when you combine your strengths.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

They stop. They. They complement each other typically 100.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, I wanted to have you guys seen. I think. I think. I think China has got it. Doug, can you pull up? I know you asked me last time. The, the. The. How do you say that? Xiaomi xi ohm pro 17.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Xiaomi.

[Adam Schafer]

Xiaomi.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

He just says I know I would.

[Adam Schafer]

Never could have spent. I would spend 30 minutes.

[Sal DeStafano]

The official pronunciation.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

I don't know. I don't speak.

[Adam Schafer]

I didn't know you could do this but this. I find this really interesting. What's happening to. It's only a matter of time. We talked about, you know, Elon getting ready to get in the phone game. I know there's rumors that's true. Not sure. I don't doubt it's not going to happen. Eventually I think it'll happen and that's going to be interesting how much that disrupts and just Apple hasn't innovated very much and now there is a competitor. This. Say it again, Doug. Xiaomi. Xiaomi. 17 Pro. I know I was gonna mess it up bad again. 17 pro max. Where they aren't even trying to hide that they are making their. Their phones identical to iPhones.

[Sal DeStafano]

So it's like that's the game, isn't it?

[Adam Schafer]

Well, so here's. Here's what, what keeps me an iPhone guy. It's just like. And I. Why I didn't make the switch to Google is the. I remember using one of my buddies and just the interface is so different that I'm like, I don't even want to go through the.

[Justin Andrews]

Purposely.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't care if your camera's 2% better or does batteries through a learning curve.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, I don't want to go through.

[Adam Schafer]

The learning curve of something I'm already comfortable with. And so there's a competitor now that is just like we're just going to basically copy. Exactly.

[Sal DeStafano]

The only downside is that instead of America spying on you, it's China. So I don't know if that's better or worse.

[Justin Andrews]

Wasn't that the. The Huawei issue like forever and so is this any different than that? Because it's it. So this is literally just carbon copy.

[Adam Schafer]

So basically carbon. Okay. What they did was carbon copy it with a better battery, better camera and like a fraction of the price.

[Sal DeStafano]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So it's like.

[Sal DeStafano]

I mean it does look the same, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

It's identical except for a better camera, better battery.

[Sal DeStafano]

Wow.

[Adam Schafer]

And all the. All the UI is like super, super similar. And I think it's. I don't know if the price is up there Doug. But it's.

[Sal DeStafano]

How long is he going to last.

[Justin Andrews]

Before it gets sued, Dude.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't know if you can. If they can copyright all that.

[Sal DeStafano]

All that.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, I don't know what's. What's copyright. Remember how hard tech is to copyright? You remember how hard the. The tech is?

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, they. They own a lot of patents. I've gone through that rabble.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, they definitely do, but I don't know how much. How much of that can you buy it here?

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

I don't know. Yes. 700 or $800.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay. It's not good. It's cheaper, but.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, it's a lot cheaper than the new I. What's the new iPhone? 1500 or something.

[Sal DeStafano]

Really?

[Justin Andrews]

It's crazy.

[Sal DeStafano]

Is it that much?

[Adam Schafer]

Dude?

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, it's so they've been going up and up.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, I think my last one I bought was like 1200.

[Sal DeStafano]

You know, it's crazy to me. People talk about how expensive it is to live today or whatever. It's because we have all these things that.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you say the new phones going up to 1900? Did I just see the new apples going up to that?

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Well, this is Xiaomi still. I'm still trying to get the. The pricing on this.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay. All right. Wow.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

They have a two terabyte version for 2,000 bucks.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't even know what a terabyte of storage.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

I'll tell you what the new iPhone is.

[April (Caller)]

It's.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

What is it the 17 now?

[Adam Schafer]

I think so.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, right there, there's an article that compares the two you just saw there.

[Amanda (Caller)]

But that's.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, I can go back to that. See that one right there? You just click.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, you. The more difficult route, though, by going individual.

[Justin Andrews]

Where is that sound into Doug's brain right now?

[Sal DeStafano]

You know, I got to. I got to comment on this because this is a. This is. I've said this before. This is such a guy thing. Yesterday. I'll give you guys an example that.

[Adam Schafer]

We'Re teasing and insulting each other.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yesterday, I'm on. I'm on the show. I'm doing the intro. Justin's sitting over there.

[Adam Schafer]

It's like C section gray.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's just me by myself. You know, I'm doing the intro thing and a fly comes flying around. Had to stop the intro. And Justin's like. And I'm like, oh, I got in my face. Like, oh, he got in your beak. You know, because you guys make fun of my face. You say I have a beak or whatever.

[Justin Andrews]

Land right on Your beak.

[Sal DeStafano]

And I just was dying, you know, I was just cracking up. And it just. This is a. I know. It's a guy thing. You know, when you have your buddies that you love and respect. The more you guys tease me the. The this. And now I'm gonna make it sound weird.

[Justin Andrews]

The closer I feel, I thoroughly enjoy it.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's hilarious.

[Justin Andrews]

Some people don't. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Some guys don't, though. That. You know, it's not like it is. Those are my people.

[Sal DeStafano]

Those are guys other guys don't like.

[Justin Andrews]

Those are the ones I'll tease hard.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's who you.

[Adam Schafer]

So what do you think that is? Because that causes the guy who has. What happened to him.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay. That he doesn't do well with that. Why. Why do some guys embrace that to a point. They love it. They like it. And then other guys, I don't think.

[Sal DeStafano]

They had a lot of exposure growing up with other men, I guess, and.

[Justin Andrews]

Probably, like, got bullied.

[Sal DeStafano]

Really? Yes, horribly.

[Justin Andrews]

It. So it was like, all just negative.

[Sal DeStafano]

It wasn't fun. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example of that. One of our buddies who I love. I love this guy. I love him to death. Talk to him. But I get the impression that if I teased Lane Norton.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

It wouldn't go over well.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

You know what I mean?

[April (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

He doesn't like that so much.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Take it the wrong way.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. So that's probably what's happening. You probably had something traumatic, so it triggers that. No matter what. If your buddies are even being playful, you have a hard time because you're bully. Yeah. Like that probably brings.

[Sal DeStafano]

But here's the thing. Here's why I'm saying this is a guy thing. Like, have you guys. Have you guys ever teased your wife and see how gone. How great.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

That flies over.

[April (Caller)]

Never.

[Sal DeStafano]

Never.

[Justin Andrews]

It'd be like the lightest one ever.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's an approved. And approved.

[Justin Andrews]

Approved first.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. Dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Because she has to do it to me first to, like, invite it.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. But even then, sometimes.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's.

[Justin Andrews]

It's.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. That's just not good.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Katrina has really tease your wife. She has really thick skin. And I'd still say that she. That's not. It's not a winning.

[Sal DeStafano]

But it still does.

[Adam Schafer]

Not a winning strategy for.

[Sal DeStafano]

I mean, like, if I walked in.

[Adam Schafer]

Which is hard because this becomes your best. When you marry someone, this becomes your best friend.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's not a dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I know.

[Sal DeStafano]

You just can't forget. Like, if I came in. If I had A horrible accident. I'll peeing the story here. If I had a horrible accident and lost my left eye, literally, like I lost it. I have no left eye left. Terrible accident. It's horrible.

[Justin Andrews]

You're Cyclops now.

[Sal DeStafano]

It would within. I'll give, I'll give you guys. I'll be, I'll even be concerned.

[Adam Schafer]

Bring you a pirate hat to.

[Sal DeStafano]

I bet you within a week. Within a week you guys would have nicknames. You give me like seven days.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, aren't you saying there sell you.

[Sal DeStafano]

Buy me a pair.

[Justin Andrews]

Buy you a monocle just to highlight.

[Sal DeStafano]

It, but you'd give me like a good seven days. Like, oh, he's sad, right?

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I told you what happened. I mean, I don't know if I shared on the podcast. I know off air, I showed you guys my buddy Greg, who when we got. I hadn't seen him in like a long time. And then we're doing fantasy football. We all got together and we were in the pool and he pulls his shirt off and he's got this crazy scar, man. And his like stomach is like sideways, like, I mean it's really like messed up.

[Sal DeStafano]

Like, oh, what happened?

[Adam Schafer]

He's like, he's like, oh, man. He told me like this thing that he had surgery and it was like, oh, bro. And I was like, I'm gonna call you C section Greg. The rest of the day he's like, it caught on to everybody. Everybody in the day. Now he's in our fantasy football league. He's like, oh, there's C section Greg.

[Sal DeStafano]

Is that it? Stuck?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, dude, stuck.

[Sal DeStafano]

Does he like it?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's typical. Well, yeah, he's a good buddy.

[Sal DeStafano]

Good.

[Justin Andrews]

It sticks.

[Adam Schafer]

He's just like, oh, okay, you got me there. It was good.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's the best dude. So I'm saying that because, Doug, we love you. That's why we teach you all the time.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Thank you so much.

[Sal DeStafano]

Always, always. Term of a deer. Doug loves it. Who had the 20 year old driving through the deal?

[Adam Schafer]

I did.

[Sal DeStafano]

I want to hear about this.

[Adam Schafer]

So this, this kid goes, and I, I believe it was A BMW for BMW. M M4 competition series.

[Sal DeStafano]

He.

[Adam Schafer]

He wants to buy one and I guess he gets declined on the financing and he gets so angry. First of all, he tried to grab the keys and take it after they told him no, they didn't. And so then he goes out in the parking lot and he starts circling the parking lot and he drives the car through the, the glass windows at.

[Justin Andrews]

The dealership because he's like just. Yes, I'm out of here.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean crazy to me, right? I mean is that what a missed.

[Sal DeStafano]

Opportunity from a sales guy?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

I mean wait real quick like you really want this car? We're gonna make this happen. Figure out a way to get you.

[Adam Schafer]

Just not today, just not right now.

[Sal DeStafano]

But I'm gonna work on this, bro. Yeah, that's a deal. You lost.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean do you see that? Ha. I mean 20 year old kid like what, what, what kind of kid again, what, what is your unstable. Yeah, that or I mean this is the part of like how much I think like these video games and the, like this being on the online all the time.

[Justin Andrews]

There's a distort gta.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, no seriously. And I don't, I mean obviously I'm not a fan of like blaming a lot of this stuff. Blaming on like I don't think because millions of people play video games and don't go drive through things like that. Yeah, but there's got to be something to be said about somebody who's constantly living in the virtual world and playing games and I mean the reality is distorted. That's right. Where it's like that's, it's not like you think that's more common than what it really is. Like no, you're the first person to drive through that. You know, like that doesn't happen.

[Justin Andrews]

I imagine that's going to get even worse and now too with VR because I see my kids like love VR and they don't even want to play with like their tablets or like you know, PlayStation more. It's just VR. And so yeah, it's very limited the amount but it's like yeah, I could see kids just like it's so immersive and then taking them out of there into reality is going to be real weird, man.

[Sal DeStafano]

I had a conversation with my daughter, she's. She brought this great question at the dinner table and she's like why are there. How come there's not a lot of serial killers anymore? I'm like wait a minute. You're right because when you read about these famous serial killers, they all happened I think in the 80s, 60s, 70s, 80s. I saw MKultras and 90s and okay, maybe that here's the other one. Here's the more accepted explanation because I asked, I talked to her about this, said, well here's. I said this is in some countries ban publicizing mass murders or serial killers. There's this phenomena where when you report more, creates more.

[Adam Schafer]

It's the same thing. That with the bank robbery.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's right, yeah. Yeah. Because you have, you know, you have a country of 300 million people. There's always going to be a percentage of crazy people that are in there. Small percentage. And when they get. They see the reporting of the person that gets all this attention, that did all this stuff, it's just enough to push some people over the edge into doing. Same thing with mass murder.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Doug just pulled out that there's a significant fewer serial killers now than now. Is that because they stopped talking about it and promoting it? Right. Is it because in the 80s, it was like a phenomenon where everyone. They were talking about it?

[Sal DeStafano]

They still do. They make movies about them.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, every Netflix, I swear, there's a whole genre that's just. Who is resurrecting all the serial killers.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

One factor was lead paint. Lead that was associated with serial killers.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's overall violence. There's a violence, too. Yeah. Yes. But there's a whole nother ball game when you're talking about serial killer. That's like another. That's. That's a whole different universe. So I lead. Definitely contributed violence, but that's not the same at all. Who was the last one that Netflix did a thing on that was all popular?

[Adam Schafer]

Or Dahmer? Not Dahmer. Sorry.

[Justin Andrews]

Ed Gaines.

[Sal DeStafano]

No, I think it was Dahmer.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And so remember, it was last Halloween and everybody became. There was such controversy because he became the, like, the number one costume was.

[Justin Andrews]

The one that, like, he made people's skins. Like, oh, that's coming.

[Adam Schafer]

That's just. Now that's.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

That's a new one out.

[Sal DeStafano]

So you know what my daughter told me? She said that the guy who created that documentary on Dahmer didn't even. That the, the victims wrote it, said, don't, please don't make this. We don't want to relive this. We don't want this to be a popular. And he said, I'm going to make it. Screw you guys.

[Adam Schafer]

That was why.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's messed up.

[Adam Schafer]

So that was like, what the controversy was about was they. They pleaded for it not to happen. It becomes the number one stream thing on Netflix. Becomes the number one about the people that had to go through that. Not only do you know that there's a documentary, but then to go see.

[Sal DeStafano]

And then you see people dress up.

[Adam Schafer]

Imagine the, the trauma you'd have to.

[Sal DeStafano]

Live through if some kids says, trick or treat and he's dressed up.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, my God. One of the. If you're just. If you were Related to a victim. You don't got to be, like, the intimate partner. If you're just somebody who's so gross downstream. And you answer your door. And what are. I mean, some of those crazy. Some of those family members absolutely had to experience that because the likelihood, if it's the number one costume in Halloween that you see that during Halloween is highly likely. Right. I mean, anytime there's a number one Halloween costume, you almost always at least see it once. Yeah, once or twice. Like, and imagine, like you said, answer the door.

[Sal DeStafano]

So anybody thinks that we don't live in a broken world, like, come on, man. I think we're celebrating these. These. We are by action, celebrating these crazy, terrible people.

[Adam Schafer]

Just. I mean, money. Money rules it because it. Because it. That trumps it because the amount of money that will be made.

[Sal DeStafano]

I had a discussion with some. Remember that, like, it was a couple episodes ago. I said how people think, why is there so much suffering in the world? But the question should be, why is there any good at all? And I was talking to somebody about this. I'm like, no, people are inherently good. I said, no, they're not. They're inherently bad. We had this whole conversation, and I said, if you don't believe me. Would you be okay if today every law was taken off the books? There was no law, no punishment. What do you think would happen within 24 hours? I won the argument right then and there. Yeah, we definitely live in a broken world. Yeah, multivitamins are great, especially for children. Unfortunately, most children's multivitamins are just candy. Well, there's a great company. It's the only company we recommend for kids. It's Hiya Health. These are multivitamins that work, and they're not just a bunch of candy and sugar. Go check them out. Go to Hiyahealth.com that's H I yahealth.com mindpump. That link will get you 50% off. Back to the show.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Our first caller is Reese from Texas.

[Sal DeStafano]

What's up, Reese?

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing, Reese?

[Justin Andrews]

What's happening?

[Reese (Caller)]

How's it going, y'?

[Sal DeStafano]

All good? Good, man. How can we help you?

[Reese (Caller)]

Okay, yeah, I'm just gonna read my email off. So I say my name is Reese, I'm 22, and I've been working out consistently for the past three years. I've lost around 60 pounds and kept it off, which has been a huge accomplishment for me. For a long time, I was afraid to eat in a surplus because I didn't want to gain the weight back. So my muscle Growth was slow early on, but I'm finally in the lean bulk and feeling great about where I'm headed. I recently enrolled in nasm and I know deep down that I want to help people, especially those who struggle with over restriction, binge eating and low self esteem like I did. I lived through all that and came out stronger. And I believe I can guide others through it too. But even with that, I have imposter syndrome. I don't feel like I'm big enough or experienced enough to be taken serious as a trainer. And it's hard to shake the insecurity. Even though I've made progress and have something to offer, how do I know when I'm really ready to start training others? What would you tell someone like me who's passionate but scared? Love the show. Thanks for everything y' all do.

[Adam Schafer]

So crazy you're calling in right now. We were just having a discussion about people just like you. And let me tell you, you're more than ready. Because one of the most powerful things with being a successful trainer that a lot of veteran trainers still have a hard time doing is being able to be relatable and connect to your clients and be vulnerable. So that part of you that is scared, the part of you, you lean into that, you lean into that part of your journey. Because guess what? That person who's 60, 100 pounds overweight, that's sitting across from you, that's looking for your help, they're going to connect better with that than the jacked 6% body fat percentage guy who's got a hundred thousand followers on Instagram. They will connect more to you and your story and where you're at and how you felt going through that than they will to this bodybuilder guy that looks super jacked and is popular, trust me.

[Sal DeStafano]

Reese, how long have you been listening to us?

[Reese (Caller)]

I found out pretty recently. I found y'.

[Sal DeStafano]

All.

[Reese (Caller)]

I heard higher up wellness talk about y' all and then I looked y' all up and so it's probably been like three or four months.

[Sal DeStafano]

Awesome.

[Reese (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

So I'm gonna, I'm gonna give you some good news. The feeling of imposter syndrome is for me a sign that the trainer or the potential trainer or the about to become trainer person actually cares. So if you didn't really care about doing a really good job, this really wouldn't become an issue. But for you, you're like, man, I really want to help these people. Do I have what it takes? So that's where it comes from. So I'm Going to give you some more Good news. Okay, 95% of everything you're going to learn and every certification and every course, when it comes to diet, exercise, you know, program design, all that stuff, you're never going to use with your clients. Most of your clients, most of the people that work with a trainer need the basics, need the absolute basics. They don't need. There's now, there's a 5% out there that are going to need like really specialized correctional exercise or a functional medicine practitioner, in which case, I always encourage trainers to have a network of people they can refer out to, to work with alongside with. The most important thing you could do as a trainer, above and beyond anything else, is have somebody be willing to follow you and allow you to guide them, which comes from trust. If you don't get that, I don't care. Nothing else matters. That's the most important thing. Most important thing is the trust part. So here's what you do. You go out there and you start working with people and you tell them and you be honest. I'm new, but I love doing this. Here's what I went through. I'm going to ask you to trust me. I don't know everything, but what I do know is you're, you're in good hands with me and I really want to get you to your goals and I really want to do a really good job. And if they trust you, that's it. That's. That's again, 95% of, of everything is going to be that right there. So that's the most important thing. But the fact that you feel an over. There's nothing worse than an overconfident trainer. That is a disaster of a trainer. The trainer thinks they know everything and I got it all and I'm whatever. That's. They typically do more damage than good, oftentimes with their clients. But the trainer that goes in and says, man, I really care about these people, I really want to help them. I don't have all the answers, but one thing I do know for sure is I want to do a good job and I want to do this person right. That's the person that I can work with as a mentor, as a gym manager. Those are the kind of trainers that become great trainers. So here's some action items. Keep learning. Never stop learning. Even though you might not use most of that stuff, it's just going to keep things exciting for you and keep you hungry and start working with people as soon as possible for free. This is where you do most of your learning. The second thing you could do is work with a mentor.

[Adam Schafer]

Are you. Are you following our elite trainer podcast? Are you listening to that yet?

[Reese (Caller)]

No, I think I've seen a clip or two, but I haven't started watching like the full.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, get onto YouTube and go to Elite Trainer Academy. You'll see that's a pot. So we have a whole arm of this business that's dedicated to trainers. So obviously we got popular from the podcast and grew in our maps programs as well. That was our staple for a long time. The last two years we've really focused a lot on the trainers and it's a whole different arm of the business that we help develop trainers just like you. So start with that podcast. That's free. And if you want, we have. We have an educator who helps trainers like yourself get jump started into like, okay, do this national certification, then go here, go through our course, get in our group. Let us help you. If that's something you're interested in. I'll have Ann give you a call.

[Reese (Caller)]

Yeah, for sure. I definitely plan on doing Yalls personal training course in the future after I do my nsam.

[Sal DeStafano]

Good.

[Reese (Caller)]

And I would say I have started. I trained my brother good like three or four weeks ago. He's. I'm like six three, he's six one. He's like 255. So he's pretty big. And we've been going like twice a week. And then I've trained other. Couple other people for a few weeks too. So I'm like starting to build a bit of confidence. But yeah, I feel like what I'm good at right now is like behavioral change and mindset.

[Adam Schafer]

Not really.

[Justin Andrews]

There it is. That's like 90 of everything.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's the most important.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Training.

[Sal DeStafano]

Are you. Is there a big box gym where you're at?

[Reese (Caller)]

Not super big.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't.

[Reese (Caller)]

I go to anytime Fitness. So it's pretty small, but there's like a crunch, there's fitness and then go get a.

[Sal DeStafano]

Go get a job at a big box gym. You're going to get a lot of great experience working at them, working with different people. Yeah, that'd be the place to start.

[Justin Andrews]

It's reps, man.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. A year there of dedicated work and, you know, trying to help people. You'll get so much out of that at a big box gym just because of the volume. That's where I think you should start.

[Adam Schafer]

You get your NASM and you go through our trainer course and any of those places will hire you in a heartbeat. Yeah. Super fast. Yeah. Having an NASM going through our course, you. You name drop mind pump, and you go through an ASM and you're going to get a job anywhere you want to go. The bigger the gym, the better because you're going to get more. More volume, more practice. Don't. It doesn't even matter what they pay you. A lot of trainers, they get so caught up on what percentage or hourly. It's like, no, you. You got to learn. Yeah. You're. You're right now at the learn phase of your business, so you just need to learn as much. Nothing will give you a faster education than more reps, more practice, more clients. And so trying to do something small or private or niche where you get to collect all the money is not worth it to you right now. You want to get. You want to get volume. You want to get practice and get people in front of you. That's what's gonna get you really good in a short period of time.

[Reese (Caller)]

Okay.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Sweet.

[Adam Schafer]

Awesome.

[Reese (Caller)]

That sounds great.

[Adam Schafer]

Cool.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. You got it, man.

[Adam Schafer]

Reese, I'll have Ann call you, and she can help you out with any more questions you have about it.

[Reese (Caller)]

Okay. Thanks, y'.

[Adam Schafer]

All.

[Reese (Caller)]

And yeah, I found y' all pretty soon, and it's exactly what I needed at the time. Just this stuff y' all talk about. So I appreciate y'. All.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Start watching the Elite trainer academy. You'll get a lot of good stuff there.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay.

[Reese (Caller)]

For sure. Thanks, y'.

[Sal DeStafano]

All.

[Reese (Caller)]

All right.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

You ever think back to what a blessing it was that we all started in the big box atmosphere? Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah. Like, you're not going to get all those variables that. That much volume at that amount of time, like anywhere else, it's just really.

[Adam Schafer]

Isn'T going to happen. Although you did. You guys did bring something up before we got on. So funny. We were talking about this, and then this is our first caller today. The. The mentorship and the help that you get totally is very different today than it was back.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

The culture has changed.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's why I want to. Hopefully he leans on us for that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Because it is a little, you know, we had an opportunity.

[Sal DeStafano]

I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

It was about six, seven years ago when we were touring around the gym, the big gyms all over the place. Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

It was like 2019.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And was really shocked by just how little they had been taught. You know, like some of the things that I thought. We all thought.

[Justin Andrews]

We thought were the basics.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Really basic stuff that you teach a trainer who's starting your business. But they really have, have removed a lot of that. And I know they, I know they cut overhead, you know, so it was trying to save money and, and you see that there's a lot of trainers that, that are in this guy, like Reese's position that need that help, that mentorship, and they're just not able to get it even in a big box gym.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Our next caller is Brandon from Arizona.

[Sal DeStafano]

What's up, Brandon?

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing, Brandon?

[Brandon (Caller)]

Dude, what's up, guys? How are you doing?

[Adam Schafer]

Good.

[Sal DeStafano]

How can we help you?

[Brandon (Caller)]

Well, so initially I started out in the email I sent, I was trying to get as large as humanly possible and stay lean. Like every guy I think initially has the want to. But then I'm an F45 guy. I run an F45, as you guys know, fitness style stuff. And then I started like going through a bunch of injuries because it's so stinking fast paced. And then coming from an athletic background, I just, I would rather just be able to move well and, you know, stay out of injuries. Then I got invited to play like, like professional flag football and I just realized like, I don't have my explosiveness anymore and I feel like the group fitness stuff kind of took away from that. And so I'm kind of like stuck in a little bind of like, what, you know, kind of where I go next, I guess.

[Sal DeStafano]

Where did.

[Adam Schafer]

Brandon, what did you. When you were playing? What, what did you weigh at? And then what do you weigh now compared to that? Just out of curiosity.

[Brandon (Caller)]

So when I was playing my last year of college ball, I was playing, I was running around at about 2:30. Yeah, I've since then put on about £25. It hasn't really been bad weight necessarily, but I feel like obviously my explosiveness is gone. And I don't know if you guys have ever done any F45 or anything, but it's more so endurance rather than being explosive. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right now. I want to stay strong and I'd rather, rather than looking good, I'd rather be able to move well. I got kids. My son's trying to play football soon, so.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

How many days a week are you. What's your workouts look like? What are you doing right now?

[Brandon (Caller)]

Well, as of right now, I've transitioned. I used to when I was going through a bunch of injuries, I was working out like six days a week. I was doing like two, sometimes three in a day. Um, but now I'm doing Four times a week. And I'm utilizing rest and I go to like rest and recovery and everything. And so I just don't. Do you guys know who Tim Grover is? Okay, so I'm doing, I'm doing, doing now one of the jump attack, the jump attack program. Because that's just like the best thing I figured I could do right now at this moment I stopped doing F45. So I, I just kind of want to see where your recommendation is from from this point on.

[Sal DeStafano]

If you're looking for explosive power and agility, the majority of your training should look like plyometrics, you know, type drills. Maybe one day a week of strength training, but the rest because it's a skill. Now getting lighter is going to help because you're 253 or 25 pounds heavier. So losing some body weight makes a difference. But the vast majority, majority of your training is going to be relearning the skill of explosiveness. So it's gonna look like one day.

[Adam Schafer]

A week of strength training.

[Sal DeStafano]

Maybe that's it. One day a week. Very basic strength training. Yeah, yeah. You're training your muscles differently. Like strength training to build is slow and that's okay if that's what you want. But if you want speed and explosiveness. If you look at the way the Soviets trained and I recommend you do this, look up and see how the Soviets trained their athletes and they did in comparison to other very little strength, very little traditional, I should say strength training, it was almost all explosive based exercise. Almost all of it. And their athletes just were incredible.

[Justin Andrews]

The Marinoviches.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's right. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

These are all kinds of plyometrics. So in terms of like what we have programming wise, like I think the biggest, the best matches are, are performance advance and it you scale that down like two but like you're saying maybe even one strength specific workout with that. But the rest is like just building them, developing up that skill. So if it power that you're seeking like you know that that is going to devote that specificity. So if, if you are to also to like complement that with mobility training. So we reinforce the joints. So I don't know how you know you're doing in terms of like restrictions or any kind of pain or anything like that. As you know we age or as we haven't done our sport in a long time too, all that kind of plays into a factor. So that honestly I would recommend probably our, our performance advanced program.

[Adam Schafer]

So would you say Performance Advanced focus on, on power, explosiveness, power, speed, scale.

[Sal DeStafano]

And scale down the strength and scale.

[Adam Schafer]

Down the strength from two days a week to one day a week.

[Justin Andrews]

And that's all built in there. So it's that that was the big focus. Because if that's really. You're specifically trying to. To achieve that type of movement, again, like, that needs to be the entire focus. You already built yourself quite the foundational strength.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So, you know, we're not really concerned about that. We need to build, develop that skill back.

[Adam Schafer]

And Brandon, do not be surprised how much muscle and strength you will still have from training one day a week. You've built such a good foundation. And I don't know how long you've been listening to the show, but I know Sal's talked about that study so many times that literally one day every two weeks will maintain muscle mass. So you don't need to, you don't need to progress there anymore. You've already built a ton of muscle. Really, the goal is now is to keep as much of it as you can while we get really explosive and quick. And you should lighten up. You're going to want. You're going to want your body weight to be a little bit lower than what it is when you're actually getting back to. To playing sport. And this will kind of. It'll naturally do that. And I. You'll be happy with the way you look, I promise. But one of the hardest things to do when I get a hold. Any of us get a hold of an athlete is to convince them to do less of certain things because it's their mentality is. Is more right. If I, if I have this goal now, I'll just throw that on top of what I was already doing. And now more of this and more. It's like, man, there, there is a. There is an appropriate dose that will give you the best results. And Justin and Sal are telling you that right now. If you, if you trust us and stick to that, I promise you're going to be really happy. But you got to trust us and then follow that. But you'll get what you want, and we have the program for you. I mean, that program was written with your type of, like, what you want to do in mind. That's why we created it.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Gotcha. So do you think I'll see a reduction in strength or is it like that's going to be maintenance mode, doing one day a week? Well, that's so different for me.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, what do you want? Do you want slow grinding strength or do you want explosive power?

[Brandon (Caller)]

Yeah, yeah, I Mean, I. Explosive power. I guess I just, I've never trained like that before, so I guess it's like I, I feel like I would.

[Sal DeStafano]

Just lose maybe muscles. Here's the deal. You might, but, but you gotta, yeah, you gotta ask yourself what you want because look, strength is so much of a skill, it's not even funny. Yeah, it's a lot of, it's not just muscle, it's also the programming behind the muscle. So you may lose your top end squat and deadlift, but you're going to be way faster and have more explosive power. And you know what matters in sports.

[Justin Andrews]

Then you just cycle back and you.

[Adam Schafer]

Know, you know, speed matters so much more and explosiveness and sport. You know that. I know you do. Yeah, yeah. We don't gotta, we don't gotta sell that to you. And so you having a max bench press of 450 does you no good. If you can't hit somebody fast or change direction fast like that, that's going to carry. And so maybe your, your max bench goes down from, you know, 400 down to 315, but you're moving faster. And that's still strongly.

[Justin Andrews]

Doubt it. I highly doubt it. When you get into speed power, what you're going to do is you're going to like ramp up your capacity to generate force. Now when you ramp up your, your ability to generate force, that translates into lifting weights as well. So, you know, I, I highly doubt it. The thing is like, it's going back and then, and then you're gonna go through a period of like having to build up again, like the, the ability you had with benching and squatting and all that, because those are specific skills themselves. So you're, you're basically kind of shelving those a bit to build, develop these skills, which then still bleeds over back into it. So just, I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

[Sal DeStafano]

And the reason why I'm saying, what I'm saying is you got to let it go. Because if you try doing this with the constant fear of, I don't want to lose. Yeah, I don't want to lose my.

[Adam Schafer]

Muscles, Every, every day you see anything.

[Sal DeStafano]

Go down, you're not gonna, yeah, you're not gonna reap the max benefits you can from explosive training.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I mean, do you any thoughts of actually having someone coach you through this process? Is that something that you've thought about? Because it might, might be worth the investment to just have somebody checking in on you in. Yeah, every now and then?

[Brandon (Caller)]

Yeah, I, I totally thought about That I just. I'm. I'm preparing.

[Sal DeStafano]

I'm.

[Brandon (Caller)]

I got baby number three coming. So I just want to be smart with, like.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah, yeah, everything.

[Brandon (Caller)]

So.

[Reese (Caller)]

So that.

[Brandon (Caller)]

But that 100% crossed my mind. I've never been, like, legitimately coaching everything. I feel like my whole career has been kind of like, here's a thing. Do it on your own, show up, lift, and you leave kind of deal. But I feel like I never got good, legitimate, true coaching on it.

[Sal DeStafano]

If you understand plyometrics, like, you understand some basic lateral plyometrics, some kind of reactive plyometrics, and you're looking for a good coach, sometimes it can be hard to find a really good athletic coach who understands how to train someone for power. So that could be hard to find. A sprinting coach is a lot easier to find. So if you find a good sprinting coach and have them work on your sprinting, and then you understand how to do the lateral stuff, the reactive stuff, that's not a bad combination at all.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Okay. And then one last thing. As far as the eating, I haven't. I haven't been tracking for. Shoot, I don't know how long. Do you think I should get back into tracking for that, or should I just keep going the whole natural food route?

[Sal DeStafano]

If you're already finding that you're getting leaner by eating whole natural food, just stay there.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, got it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, cool.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Cool. And then remind me, that program, you.

[Adam Schafer]

Guys, we're gonna send it to you.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Oh, dude, you guys are awesome.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

We got it, man. We got you.

[Brandon (Caller)]

Thank you guys so much. You guys are rock stars.

[Adam Schafer]

Seriously.

[Sal DeStafano]

All right, take it easy. Okay, bye. Bye. It's so funny. I literally just watched. There was a clip that came up. I don't remember what was YouTube or whatever, and it was the Soviet athletes, and it was showing how they were training. And you see these guys, like, hopping on one leg, you know, or going up a stair or doing all this, like, explode. And that's. That's how they trained most the time. Yeah. And their athletes crushed.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Because of it. Because it's. You have to learn how to be powerful. Yeah. It's not just being.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, you guys are both right with your advice. Like, just. I think Justin's so right that you probably won't lose, but I think you're also right that it's like, you should have the mentality that you might. And who cares?

[Justin Andrews]

Let it go.

[Adam Schafer]

But, yeah, exactly. Because if he does drop 25 pounds in this process which he'll. He. He probably won't move the same max bench press that he was moving before. No, there's a good, good chance. But he's gonna feel like a beast, though, Fee, because he'll keep most of that muscle and he'll. And he'll get. He'll. It'll now translate over better to Justin's point. And so even if he loses a little bit of PR and he's. His strength to weight ratio, it sounds.

[Justin Andrews]

Like he's already over the whole looking like you got the muscle.

[Sal DeStafano]

Muscle right.

[Justin Andrews]

Like, now use it like, it, like, express to the extent of, like, how you can use that muscle.

[Sal DeStafano]

And.

[Justin Andrews]

And to do that, you really have, like, explosive training. Requires your dedication and focus.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's different skills. Like, you watch a power lifter squat, a heavy squat, and then watch an Olympic lifter do a heavy squat, and they look very different. The Olympics lifter does not go down what would look like slow and controlled. It is fat. And that's because that's the way they train. They train to be fast.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Adam Schafer]

I was actually going to recommend the concierge program to him because he's. He gets the program from us, and he just needs someone to. He's a. He's an ex athlete. Yeah. Huh. And so, yeah, it just has someone to look at his nutrition and check in with him on a monthly basis to making any sort of adjustments. If someone like that has got the discipline, has the experience. Like, you get. You just get a check in from the coach once a month who's just, like, checking up on the diet, checking up on all the numbers. Like, okay, here you go. Keep going that route. Or, hey, let's move to this phase instead of that one. Like, Like, I think that would have been perfect for him. So we should probably reach out Doug to him and just send him, like, an email and ask him if that's something he'd be interested in and set him up with one of the trainers.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Our next caller is Amanda from Oregon.

[Sal DeStafano]

Hi, Amanda.

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing, Amanda?

[Amanda (Caller)]

Oh, my God, you guys, this is such an honor. I'm so stoked to talk to you.

[Sal DeStafano]

Thank you so much.

[Amanda (Caller)]

I really appreciate you taking my question. It's pretty near and dear to my heart. I've been a. A lash artist for. Oh, my God.

[Sal DeStafano]

It'll be.

[Amanda (Caller)]

It'll be five, four years. It'll be four years next month. So I'm super happy to be here. I've been listening to you guys since I deployed four years ago, and I found you to Keep myself basically busy while I was over there for six months. So I appreciate you guys in more ways than one. So I'll just get to my question. My name is Amanda Grisham and I am a veteran and a former EMT turned stay at home mom, slash home based slash artist, born with a servant's heart, with a passion for fitness and challenges. I just started up on NASM CPT course and my ultimate goal is to specifically help beauty professionals. We, as you guys probably know, are some of the most unhealthy people. Because of the demands from our jobs and ourselves, we under eat, rarely have a good training program and the physical demands of our jobs are a lot more than people think. This leads us all at the end of the day to say we're too tired or in too much pain to develop a proper program for ourselves. And then down the drain our bodies go. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the all or nothing mindset in our industry. And I honestly think most of it has to do with really having no idea of where to start. I think a good way to break a lot of these ladies into working out is to give them good exercises to start on to be more proficient in just their jobs. Not necessarily a full on program because sometimes that asks like a little too much commitment out of them. I mean unless there's one that you guys suggest. But things that can help them in their day to day hairdressers usually stand all day. Lash artists sit all day in a weird hunched over position. And it's the same thing with nail techs. Our body mechanics quite frankly are fucked. As you guys know, this trajectory leads us to all be overweight in pain and or have to give up our careers because our bodies are wrecked in the lash industry. I have lost count of how many women I've seen that have to close their doors because they develop carpal tunnel compressed discs. All the things. And I thought it would be amazing to ask you guys which one or more of your programs would you recommend specifically to the beauty industry gals because they really only trust you guys. Or if you could give us a handful of things to do at home that could help our backs, wrists, shoulders, hips, necks, all the usual suspects in an industry like this. I want to help out with these challenges in an industry I care deeply for and give myself a little education along the way from the best guys in the business that I know I can trust.

[Adam Schafer]

What a great question. And set up nice.

[Sal DeStafano]

You painted? Yeah, because we have a lot of Experience. I mean, Adam and I have talked about this. In fact, that we've trained a lot of people in your space. And you painted it so accurately. Yeah, so accurately. There's something about what you do well, besides the mechanics. And I used to see this all the time. Most common things, tight shoulders, neck, wrists, hand issues. Yeah, Very, very common.

[Justin Andrews]

Feet.

[Sal DeStafano]

Sometimes you'll see a lot of foot pain and.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Oh, I have a ton of foot tension. Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

Plantar fasciitis. And then the all or nothing mentality, which I don't know. I don't know how that goes hand in hand, but it's so common with people in your space. Will like, I'm doing it all. And it's like I'm fasting and I'm doing this, I'm doing. So you painted it perfectly. I think the perfect. So overall fitness always is best. Right. But you're like, okay, give me some specifics. I love our Prime Pro program.

[Adam Schafer]

I was gonna say prime Pro with Maps 15.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's it for our specific.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Really?

[April (Caller)]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. So Prime Pro, because you can go in there and you could pick two or three movements that you would do.

[Justin Andrews]

Neck and wrist cars at the beginning.

[Sal DeStafano]

Of your shift, and after every two or three clients, you would do it em again. So throughout the day, what it looks like is in the beginning, before your shift, you do 10 to 15 minutes, and then either in between every client or every couple clients, five minutes of some of these movements. And you would focus on the areas that you think you need the most help. So shoulder, scapula, probably really important. Wrist and hand, you know, movements that are in there so very invaluable. And you can pick and choose. Like, I'm gonna do some of these. And in between clients is how I would do that. And then.

[Amanda (Caller)]

I love that I didn't even think of Prime Pro.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes. And then Math 15 is your workout.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Yep.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's your work.

[Adam Schafer]

You have such a legit business idea on your hands right now. The fact that you have the experience, you have the knowledge and understanding of what these people need, and there's not somebody specifically serving them. I. If you're not already starting to build content around what you do and what. I mean, you gotta start doing this. I think it's such a brilliant idea. And it is.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Thank you, Adam.

[Adam Schafer]

It's so unique too, because, Matt, there's no one.

[Amanda (Caller)]

There's no one for us.

[Adam Schafer]

And those lady. Because again, Sal's right. I've trained a ton in your space. Do not. Are not attracted to a Maps 15 type of protocol. They are the. In super setting, jump lunges, doing. They're all. And then they burn. They burn out, and then they don't. And then it's just back and forth like that. And so you. If you can connect with them, which you will be able to do that better than we could. If you can connect to them and you build literally A. The maps 15 protocol as what they strength train. It's only two exercises a day. You know, when they're training, and then the movements from Prime Pro, and you can individualize it for them, like salsa. So it's great. The way we bring that up is it's all the major joints in the body. So if you had a specific client that you were servicing and she's like, oh, God, it's. It's my neck and wrist. All you're gonna do is focus on neck and wrist stuff for her. That's all she's gonna get is her protocol. Then you got someone else who's got more ankle, feet stuff or knee and hip stuff, like. And so it's not like you're telling them, here's all of Prime Pro. Follow the whole thing. No, you take.

[April (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You take specific parts of it and you apply it to whatever that client's needs are. And, God, you have a great little program on your hands.

[Amanda (Caller)]

I'm not trying to overwhelm anybody. I know that.

[Adam Schafer]

No, you don't want to.

[Amanda (Caller)]

A huge issue in our industry is like, dude, I don't have fucking time for this. I've got kids. I got to go home and cook. I have too much shit to do. So. And on top of it, when they've been standing all day or for somebody like me, I know my. My left trap screams at me by the time I'm done with. Because I'm sitting like this all day with tweezers, I look like a T. Rex. So by the time I'm done, I'm like, the last thing I want to do is work out.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Amanda (Caller)]

So I'm trying to give, like, little tidbits just to kind of get them introduced.

[Sal DeStafano]

Here's how you're going to sell it, Amanda. You're going to sell it like this. Hey, do you have wrist pain? Or, hey, do you have neck pain? Try this movement. Do it for five minutes. Then start working on your clients in between your clients. Do it and see how you feel. That's how you're going to get them bought in. Then the next question is, well, what about for workout? And then you can talk about selling pain, selling mass 15 to. To people in your space can be very hard. Yeah. But showing them how to get rid of pain immediately, yeah, that's gonna, that's gonna sell you.

[Adam Schafer]

That's what I would build all my Instagram or social media content around is exactly what Sal said. I would literally speak to your. Your demographic and say, next bothering you? Try this before and after work shifts and like, literally just teach that. Give it away for free. Use all the stuff that you learned from Prime Pro and that becomes your content of, like, attracting your specific client with that. And then. He's exactly right. Once you show that lady or that dude like, that their ability to get rid of that neck or shoulder pain from a couple movements, you'll blow their mind. And then they'll reach out to you like, how did. What did I do?

[Sal DeStafano]

And it would be like this, like, hey, hey, lash artist. Do you suffer from lash neck? What's that? Oh, that's where you get pain right here. Here's a couple movements. I'm serious. I'm serious. You're branding it for them. They'll try it and in five minutes, they, they'll see the pain go down. Yeah. It's not like a workout where you got to wait a month or two to see results. When it comes to correcting for pain, you can oftentimes reduce the pain right then and there.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Are you right?

[Sal DeStafano]

Are you.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, where are you at with the nsm? Did you. Did you just start it? Where are you at?

[Amanda (Caller)]

Oh, man. This has been quite the journey. So I actually bought the course while I was overseas. I ended up doing the nutrition coach program, and I was able to complete that just fine.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Amanda (Caller)]

But we were about to leave as soon as the CPT program was even available to me.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Amanda (Caller)]

And then I came home. I stopped working in the hospital as an emt, and then I got back into the beauty industry. Beauty industry. So I had been building my. My business for quite some time. So now, you know, after. So I got pregnant, I had my son, and then I essentially had to stop lashing full time. Just daycare prices and all the crazy shit. So I have had to stay at home. But my husband, God bless him, saw that I was, was turning psychotic because I didn't have anything like, for me to do.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Amanda (Caller)]

So I started back up on the, on the lashing and stuff. But obviously since I can't do that full time, I'm like, I really miss doing stuff with fitness. I. I am looking and shaped like a bag of milk right now. But I'm trying to. Trying to get my, my life back together as far as fitness goes. And I know I'm always inspired when I'm watching you guys more and when I'm working on something fitness related. So I'm kind of just getting back into the personal training aspect. And now. And now that, like, like Adam, like you said, it's kind of like a. Almost like a business mentality. Because I've been doing lashes for so long now. I'm kind of thinking, okay, where is, where's the need? Where's the need in the lash industry right now? And everybody's putting out brands and products and they're all doing their own thing, but I haven't seen a single person, and I follow a lot of people. I haven't seen a single person go, hey, I am solely dedicated to the.

[Adam Schafer]

Beauty as a fitness either have I? I have not seen it. So I think it's a brilliant idea. I think you have to do this. I would love to. I hope you get in our trainer course in our trainer community, because I would love to help you through this process. So get in.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Like, I'm waiting on my, my VA rating right now, actually, but the. That's. You guys are the first place I'm coming once I.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, I would love to help you through this process. I think you're sitting on a home run idea. And I have never seen anybody that's specifically.

[Sal DeStafano]

Nobody is addressing the pain that you guys feel. And you guys have specific types of pain just like every, you know, different fields. After you guys have specific types of pain, here's, here's step one. We're gonna send you Prime Pro if you don't have it already.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Oh, thank you.

[Sal DeStafano]

And then when you go in there, also maps 15. Maps 15. When you go.

[Amanda (Caller)]

I have maps 15.

[Sal DeStafano]

Okay, good. When you go into Prime Pro, find the movements that help you first. That'll help you communicate it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Help me personally.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes. So you're like you said, what would you say? Left trap pain? Is that what you said?

[Amanda (Caller)]

My left trap? And then you know, obviously neck. My left trap.

[Sal DeStafano]

In particular, look at the scapular and shoulder stuff. Start there before you go neck. I don't know if it would be smart to start with neck without addressing that first. Try a couple of those movements. Follow the prompts, do it perfectly, and then do them throughout the day. So let's say you have three or four clients in a day. Do it at the beginning, do it in the middle, do it at the end, and then. And Then once you start to see, like, okay, this is great. That'll help you communicate it.

[Adam Schafer]

You can't practice that stuff too much, right? So if you're right, bored throughout the day, do it more like. Like Sal's saying, at least do it that many times, but do it all the time. Do it all the time. Practice, get good at it, and you'll notice the difference. And so. And then, honestly, that's how I build my content is almost, like, around my own personal journey. So there's. There's that place too. Like, if you have. Some people have, like, imposter syndrome from teaching something like that because they're just learning themselves, then. Then create it that way. Like, oh, man, I've. I started doing this, and it's blowing, you know, so teach that way, too, is fine. Is you can create content of sharing your journey through that process of learning it. But, yeah, use our stuff. Build some content around that. I totally think you have a great business idea.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Before I go, I. First of all, I appreciate your guys's time endlessly. I've been a huge fan of you for a long time, Sal. You in particular. I wanted to thank you. My. My maiden name is actually Oliva, so I tell everybody that you're. You're my Sicilian brethren. And I introduced you to my dad, who is. He's 71 now, and he was. He was actually a LAPD officer in the 80s. So he's done some. He's done some crazy stuff. So back then, obviously, it was about, you know, roiding out and working out as much as you possibly could and, you know, getting. Getting crazy in the gym. And I told him, you know, he was trying to carry that on into his, you know, 60s and 70s. And I told him, dad, you're doing way too much. I recommended your book to him. Pretty sure he read it in two days.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, wow.

[Amanda (Caller)]

And he watches you guys pretty religiously now too. So I really appreciate you guys helping out my. My dad just kind of by proxy. So thank you. You guys are great. Keep doing what you're doing. I appreciate you so much. Thank you for taking my question.

[Sal DeStafano]

Thank you so much.

[Adam Schafer]

I look forward to seeing you, Amanda.

[April (Caller)]

All right, thanks, Adam.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Bye, Justin.

[Adam Schafer]

Bye, Sal.

[Sal DeStafano]

I. I just remember.

[Adam Schafer]

Great idea.

[Sal DeStafano]

One of the smartest. You know, we talk about how you can build business. One of the smartest things I ever saw somebody do is I had a massage therapist who off, because one of the things that massage therapists do to build their business, they offer free chair massage in different places. Yeah, she did it in a. In a hair salon for the really smart. For the people working there smart. And it was brilliant because a lot of people don't realize it. Working on hair standing, like it's all neck trap, wrist stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

That's brilliant. Several reasons. One, great demographic to go after. Two, you change a hairstylist life that you blow her mind. She sees 10 people. She tells every single person, those salons get all kinds of foot traffic. So people are seeing you do the work. And that's. That's a. That's a. That's a million dollar idea right there.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

Our next caller is April from Wisconsin.

[Sal DeStafano]

Hey, April.

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing, April?

[April (Caller)]

Hey, guys. Good to see you again.

[Sal DeStafano]

How can we help you?

[April (Caller)]

So I was on four months ago, and I think my question was around how I wasn't seeing results due to low carb diet, that sort of thing. And we ended with the call where you guys were saying I need to focus less on aesthetics, and you recommended that I run the power lift. I will say that I did find a sort of the opposite of what you recommended. I had just. I know, right? I had just signed on with a new coach, I think, a month before our call, and I wanted to give him a fair shake, right? So he designed a program for me. We actually went into a deficit. We were going into summer months, and I was really afraid of feeling fluffy in my summer clothes. And we did, I think a deficit for about 10 to 12 weeks. Ended up losing, I think, £7. I will say that that was very hard to do. We got really low in calories. And every time, like, I would look at how many calories I could consume, I was like, oh, mind pump would kill me right now. We were down to, I think, 1450. And I was feeling terrible, okay. But I tried to trust the process, and I really wanted to do it just to prove to myself that I could. I will admit I've been that person that has. Has started and fallen off a wagon several times within my fitness journey in the last 10 to 15 years. So hiring a coach. I paid for it. I was invested. So I just. I went with it. About two months ago, I had kind of a stressful event in my life happen. And my coach was like, okay, let's reverse out of this. Let's raise you up to 1620. We eventually got to 1750, I would say after about six weeks, reversing out of the deficit. I'm at like 1850 for calories. And I'm wondering now that I did not Follow your advice and I'm ready to. At this point, since my coaching has is coming to an end, do you guys still recommend that I run Power Lift or is there a different program that's better fit for doing the reverse diet? Because I'm about six weeks into it.

[Adam Schafer]

Power lift and keep. Reverse diet, Power lift and keep going.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, let me, let me ask you a couple questions. Is that okay?

[April (Caller)]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Sal DeStafano]

You said when you were going in the deficit with your coach before that you were trusting the process. What was the process that you were trusting when you were doing that?

[April (Caller)]

Good question. So his, the reason why I hired him was because his main focus was recomp. Right. And I think on the call too, I stress that I was very self conscious with. I put my body weight in my lower half and it was just something that I was hyper focused on. And his whole thing was like, I have to get the body fat off and it's going to come off of their last. So he's like, let's do a deficit before we build. He did say we could go either direction, but because it was like May ish is when we started. It was just in going into summer months. And I kind of made the comment that like, I didn't want to do the reverse diet going into, you know, when I'm wearing shorts and a swimsuit and I just wasn't in the headspace to do that.

[Sal DeStafano]

Gotcha. The reason why I asked that question is trusting the process is great. So long as it's a good process. Yeah, trusting a process that's not good is not great. It's not great.

[April (Caller)]

Right.

[Sal DeStafano]

So looking back, do you feel like, yeah, I kind of made a mistake. It sounds like you're saying that.

[April (Caller)]

No, I don't know if I made a mistake. I think it was a good challenge to go through. I think as I was going through it, I was putting it through the mind bump filter. Like, okay, this is what the guys would say. I know that and I think it really helped me like jump on board with the whole fact that I don't want to chase aesthetics. Like that's, you know, one is superficial and the strength is where I need to, you know, put all my eggs, I guess. So I think it just took me going through the deficit, going through that to, you know, come to the side of like, okay, it's not about the way I look, it's about the way that I feel. It just took me a long time to go like, to realize that.

[Sal DeStafano]

So what you're saying is that because you went through that process that now you're like, okay, I need to do things differently.

[April (Caller)]

Yeah. Oh, fully. Because, like, when I came out of the deficit and I started eating even just 200 calories more, I was like, holy cow. I feel so much better because I was really tired and my lifts were terrible, and going to the gym wasn't fun. And after I started, like, adding more calories, like, okay, like, this. This feels really good. I want to keep this going. I think had I had done that before, I lost a little bit of weight, you know, five pounds, seven pounds, whatever. It probably wouldn't have been a lot harder for me mentally. But I do think, like, I mean, you guys were right from the beginning. I just. I kind of had to go through some hard stuff first to, like, to get to here.

[Sal DeStafano]

Totally. And that's this whole journey. Yeah, it's very difficult journey. And there's a lot of lessons that. That you're gonna learn through kind of doing it the wrong way or. And that's just what this fitness journey looks like. How do I know you're going to take my advice this time?

[April (Caller)]

Because I promise. You know, it's funny, you guys, I listen religiously. Like, I absolutely love the content you guys put out. So, like, I am, like, following you guys from here on out. I mean, I have been regardless. But you had. I think his name is Jamie. You had him on the show. He had lost a ton of weight. And one of the things that he said that really stuck with me was, I'm just a guy that goes to the gym four days a week. I'm just a guy that works out. And hearing him say that, I'm just like, you know, I'm gonna adopt that for myself. Like, I'm just gonna go to the gym four days a week, right? Like, I could give it 10%, I could give it 70%. I don't care. I'm going to the gym. And once I remove this idea of there's a debt, there's a timeline, there's a deadline, there's a finish line. Once I took that out of the picture, it's like, this is for life. I know you guys preach it, but you. A person really has to go through it at their own pace to figure that out. And I feel like now that I've gotten to this point where it's like, I want to be, you know, in my 60s and 70s, I want to be that woman in. In church who's got the muscles. You know, it's like, you can buy the Fake lips. You can buy the fake butt. You can buy all that, but you can't buy the muscles. So, like, I'm, like, here to earn that. And it feels good to finally feel confident to say it and believe it myself.

[Sal DeStafano]

Well, here's the challenge with this is that you're not gonna feel it before you do it. It's gonna happen after. So what I mean by that is, if you're gonna wait till you get it before you really commit, you're gonna wait forever, right? So this is going to be this, because right now, what you're saying is all the stuff you know up here, which you knew before, in fact, the. Some of the clues you. You. You. You gave us as you were talking about what you did with the other coach was, oh, my God. Mind pump would kill me right now if they saw this. So. So, you know, months ago, you knew what you know now.

[April (Caller)]

Yes.

[Sal DeStafano]

The difference now has to be this. It has to be this. I'm going to do it even though I don't want to. I'm going to follow this, and I'm going to trust it even though I'm going to hate it.

[April (Caller)]

I don't want to hate it, though, so how do I not hate it?

[Sal DeStafano]

April, you're going to hate it at first. There's nothing I can. There's no way to fix that.

[Justin Andrews]

You're gonna talk yourself.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's not gonna feel comfortable. Until you're into it, it's not gonna feel comfortable.

[Adam Schafer]

I understand that we all. We all suffer from some form of body dysmorphia. We just. It's just all of us. I don't care how long we've been doing this, that you're always going to have that underlying feeling in there. And so when you have a day when Sal tells you to eat 2000 calories and you feel puffy the next day, or you feel. You feel a little lethargic, you know, or you feel like you're holding water, because those things are going to happen through this process. You go, oh, my God, this isn't working. You go. You're going to go the other way. But if you accept that that's part of the process, that, you know what? That's kind of pro. I'm probably going to have some weeks like that where I feel that way. I'm not. I'm. I don't care. I'm still going into this path. I know it's the right way. So that's what he's trying to communicate right now, is that you're going to have those moments, you are going to feel that way. And if you reverse hurt back to the. The same temptation that made you drop drop when you still had the same knowledge back then, you're gonna do it. And so right now, accepting that, I'm gonna have some uncomfortable days where I'm not used to feeling this full or eating this much food, and I'm going to tell myself I. I believe and trust this process because I know what I want.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So would you be open to working with one of our coaches that has a different process?

[April (Caller)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's your best bet.

[Justin Andrews]

I think that would be.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's your best bet because it's gonna be uncomfortable. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Week one, week two, communication.

[Sal DeStafano]

You get into week four or five, you're gonna start feeling uncomfortable. I don't like this. I don't like the way it feels. I feel like I'm eating too much. I don't like the way. Whatever. And you're gonna need that coach to kind of continue to guide you through that process because I'm gonna. Right out the gates, you're going up to 2, 000 calories. Right out the gates, you're gonna follow mass power lift. So we're gonna reverse you again. And it's not gonna be until months after that, you're gonna be like. Like, oh, wow, I like this. It's working. Okay, it's working, but it's going to be uncomfortable. Yep.

[April (Caller)]

Can I run power lift the whole time staying at 2000 calories, or do I need to, like, increment, like, up while I'm running?

[Sal DeStafano]

I'm going to give you the answer, but then I'm also going to tell you I don't know because it depends on how you feel.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

What I mean by that is if you're, like, really pulling your hair out, then I'll be really slow. But ideally, you're going to keep reversing. Yeah, ideally, you're going to continue to reverse. Will probably get you close to 24, 25, something like that, 100 calories. But. But it depends on how. How uncomfortable it is for you because you may be like, look, I'm not going up another hundred calories. Like, I'm. This is. I'm holding on right now to what I'm doing, and this is it. And your coach should be like, okay, we'll stay here for a little bit.

[April (Caller)]

Okay.

[Sal DeStafano]

But if you're like, you know what? I think I can do it, then they'll continue to reverse you.

[Adam Schafer]

That's their job. Yeah, they'll take care of that for you.

[Sal DeStafano]

I'll have somebody call you, April, source it. Yeah.

[April (Caller)]

Okay. That'd be awesome. Yeah. And like I'm already prepping, like, okay, it's Wisconsin here. It's obviously very nice today, but like I'm okay going through the process in the winter season.

[Adam Schafer]

This is what's cool. We're gonna, we're gonna have someone call you and then we're also gonna do another follow up call which will be great. This will be fun for the audience to see.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Where you were, what you, what you heard and you didn't listen and then you came back and then we went through.

[April (Caller)]

I will listen. Okay. I promise. I promise. Can I ask one, one more question that's kind of sort of unrelated?

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah.

[April (Caller)]

Through this whole process, like I have absolutely fallen in love with fitness and nutrition.

[Amanda (Caller)]

Right.

[April (Caller)]

Like, I feel like someone who follows you guys for a long time, they kind of like feel that pull to like maybe make a career switch. And I am very interested in the nutrition side of things. Just with my background, my health history and I am a, I'm a trained graphic designer. I'm on a graphic design studio. I'm already self employed, but I feel like I want to make a pivot slowly. But I'm very interested in learning more about nutrition, taking the courses, maybe taking on some clients. I'm wondering if you guys have any advice for me like, or for somebody in general, like making a career change and jumping into this space.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yes. Yes. So actually, actually working with a coach is going to be the best thing you can do right now. Watch how they coach.

[April (Caller)]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal DeStafano]

That process will be like a mentorship for you. So just doing it with them personally.

[Adam Schafer]

That becomes even more important now.

[Sal DeStafano]

Yeah. So cool. You're going to see what the process looks like for sure. Here's something else I want, I want to tell you something. If you, if you don't tell, if we, if you don't do what we tell you perfectly, that's okay too.

[Justin Andrews]

I know. Yeah.

[Sal DeStafano]

This is not a, this is not a game.

[Justin Andrews]

Chastise you for anything.

[Sal DeStafano]

It's hard. It's really hard.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, that's part of, that's actually part of accepting this process too, is that you're probably going to have some pitfalls along the way. That's okay. That tomorrow's the next day and we're on. We're like, that's part of the coaching. Is that after you go through this coaching process. I agree with Sal. This will be some of the Best, like teaching process for you. Of course, if you're considering career switch, then the next level to that, since I. I know that it was Graves disease. Is that what it was?

[April (Caller)]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So is Dr. Cabral has a really good thorough certification in functional medicine, which is if you want to move in that route now, it's. It's pretty heavy and it's a lot, so I wouldn't recommend it at first. So the first thing to do is go through this with a trainer. I think you're going to get a lot from that and that. But you want to go. If you want to move in that direction where you help people with autoimmune type stuff. Like, he's. He's the guy. He. That's what he does is he certifies coaches and trainers and they're really, really good at what they do.

[Sal DeStafano]

One last thing, April. This is what it's gonna feel like at the end of this. It's gonna feel good and relaxed. It's not gonna be a stressful process because this whole time you've been doing this and you're trying to follow what you're supposed to do and you listen and it's a stressful process. It's not. You can't stress yourself into better health. It doesn't work that way. So what it's going to feel like at the end of this is feel. It's going to feel good and relaxed. You're going to rest in it. It's not going to be like. Like you're gripping onto things with your. With your fingernails.

[Adam Schafer]

At the end of the rainbow, you're going to have the body you want and eating double the calories you ever ate.

[Sal DeStafano]

That's what's going to.

[April (Caller)]

That scares me, though, because. Because I eat so clean, I feel like I already eat so much, so I'm trying to think, like, what high calorie food can I get into my diet?

[Adam Schafer]

Wait till you start building muscle. Watch when you start putting that muscle's hungry. Hungry. You put. We put five pounds of muscle on you, which is not a crazy. You put five pounds of muscle on.

[Sal DeStafano]

You are gonna be hungry.

[Adam Schafer]

You'll see. You'll see.

[April (Caller)]

Okay?

[Adam Schafer]

So don't worry. Yeah, don't worry about it.

[April (Caller)]

Okay, cool. Well, have someone call me and we'll keep this train going.

[Sal DeStafano]

You're coming out. You're gonna be on again.

[Adam Schafer]

All right, April?

[April (Caller)]

Okay, sounds good. All right, thank you, guys.

[Justin Andrews]

Take it easy.

[April (Caller)]

Bye.

[Sal DeStafano]

Bye. That's good. I'm glad we had her back on. I'm glad I'll tell you what, I'm glad she had the courage to come back on, say, I didn't do what you guys said. Yeah, that.

[Justin Andrews]

That takes courage for sure.

[Sal DeStafano]

That does. Because most people be like, I don't want to tell these guys I didn't take any of their advice.

[Adam Schafer]

I'm really glad because I felt like she was confused by the way you kept digging at that. But I'm so glad you did because that's like, you think in that mindset. And you're so right. She had all the same knowledge she had last night, yet she still did it. Like, you knew better. You still did it. So what makes you think when we go for three weeks and all sudden you have a. A rough week where you feel fluffy.

[Sal DeStafano]

She'S going to have.

[Adam Schafer]

Or somebody makes a comment or you see the way you look at an outfit you don't like and you go, oh, my God, this isn't working. And you bail. Like, why wouldn't you? Because you have the same knowledge now as you did then. But, yeah, so, you know, I think it's. So it was important for her to hear see go through that, because I think she was like, well, of course I'm gonna follow you guys, because I already. I didn't know.

[Sal DeStafano]

Not of course.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. In her head, she's thinking, of course.

[Sal DeStafano]

But it's gonna suck. I don't mean it's going to suck because it's not going to work. It's going to suck because you're going to be uncomfortable. You're going to be very uncomfortable and you're going to want to default back to what you did before. So the difference isn't the knowledge, the patterns are comfortable. That's right. The difference is going to be like, I'm going to accept the fact that this is going to be hard and I'm not going to be comfortable. That's the difference. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump Media.

[Doug (Producer/Host)]

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