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Sal DeStefano
One of the biggest challenges when it comes to fitness is when your life gets busy. When things start piling on, what do you do? How do you stay consistent? Are you going to lose your gains? We're going to break it down for you. We're going to give you the answer. Because when life gets busy, your fitness, it just shrinks, not disappears.
Justin Andrews
I like this conversation, especially at this time of year. I think that. And we're probably all somewhat, maybe not Sal, Justin and I, Doug, maybe more likely guilty of. Of this, right? At somewhat at some point in our lives where, you know, the holidays come around or a season of your life just is. Is comes around and you just. You're off the wagon completely. Yeah, I mean, I know I. I have admitted that this has been me for most of my 20s, into my early 30s, where it was just on and off, on and off. Either I'm all the way on or I'm all the way off. And I'd say one of the best things that's happened in my 40s is I. I'm never fully off. You know, even when I. Even if I communicate I'm off, there's like, I'm still making better food choices. You know what I'm saying? Like, because of the fact that I might not be as consistent inside the gym, I'm finding I'm walking more and I'm making different food choices. Where it was not like that for me. It used to be. And I don't know if you guys were like this. It used to be like, I'm on the diet, I'm training, and then when I'm off, it's like eating terrible and all or nothing. Yeah, all or nothing. And so I think this happens to a lot of our clients, especially around this time.
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, there's the percept. The all or nothing mentality is a very difficult one. It's responsible for a lot of people losing their consistency. And I think it stems from the belief that if I'm not doing. If I'm not following my normal routine, let's say, then what's the point? I'm not gonna, you know, I'm barely doing anything. Is that even make a difference? And so I think it's, it's important to understand that something is definitely better than nothing. Number one. Number two, and we'll get to this in this episode. In order to maintain the progress that you've made when it comes to strength training in particular, very little is required. So in order to progress, there's a certain amount of training volume, you know, sets, reps, intensity that's required to cause, to get your body to progress, which it's less than people think there as well. Nonetheless, there's a certain amount. Right. In order to maintain what you've built. It's a remarkably small number and the data on this is pretty amazing. So, so that's something to consider. The other thing to consider is momentum. This is a real thing, right? We've all experienced this, that, that when you keep the ball rolling, it's easier to maintain, but when you stop completely, it's like really hard to get back into the swing of things. In fact, I'm using verbiage that people use to communicate this all the time. We all know what that's like. So when you look at the, the biggest challenges that people run into when it comes to their fitness, it really is consistency above and beyond anything else. It's, it's a, it's a lack of consistency. And so understanding that something's better than nothing, that very little is required to maintain. And we'll get to that. The data shows that quite clearly and that momentum is a very important thing to consider. Then you can start to piece together what this would look like when life gets busy. And I'll add this, when you do this right, it's actually a paradigm shattering moment for you because you start to realize, wow, I actually might have been doing more than I needed to to get great results, or I can't believe how great a shape I'm maintaining by doing so little. This blows people's minds.
Adam Schafer
Yeah. I think back in the day, like Adam, I, I would go, you know, with that mentality where it was like I had to get the craziest workout and be consistent with that, otherwise there's nothing there for, for me to show up for. And so I just don't think it was communicated that like, you, you could go in and you could actually like, lift weights, but you don't have to do this elaborate, long workout that was super high intense. It was just like, that was. The, the overall thought process was like, either you're training for some kind of event activity sport, you're trying to get like, in incredible shape, or there was Nothing really, just about like maintaining a level of consistency and a good lifestyle, good habits and making it a healthy practice. And so I think like, you know, this shift and this mindset shift of like just being able to show up and like make sure my muscles are getting attention and keeping my metabolism, you know, where it's in a good place and then, you know, receiving a lot of the benefits and maintaining what I have is, is huge.
Justin Andrews
I'm curious if you guys over the years have like, if, if you can distill it down to just a couple or handful of things that have really changed in regards to this conversation for you. Like, I could think of like two things that were like, like life changing for me in regards to the topic that we're talking about right now. One of those is kind of to the point that Justin's making right now. It was giving myself the permission that maybe I'll just go do three sets of squats. That's it, you know, and that, and that's totally okay. That was unheard of as teens, 20s and early 30s, like just, I would never, it was like, I gotta go.
Sal DeStefano
Do this to the point where friends.
Adam Schafer
Would have scoffed at me.
Sal DeStefano
Right? To the point where maybe your workout takes an hour. If you only have 30 minutes, you're like, I gotta go. Right?
Justin Andrews
Yeah. Or even, or if I didn't have the, the energy to, to, to finish a full 45, 50 minute workout, I wasn't. Then I wouldn't even go either. So whereas I was like, you know, it's been a few days since I've lifted. I don't really feel like lifting. I don't have a lot of time. All the, all the excuses running through my head, I'm like, you know what though? I can go get just three sets of squats done. And just giving myself that permission was this huge unlock for me. One, it unlocked this realization of like to your point that something is better than nothing, it also unlocked like, oh wow. Even just that little bit of a stimulus maintained, a lot of it didn't progress me. I didn't just switch to training that way and I got bigger, stronger, leaner and all way better.
Sal DeStefano
But it's like you didn't get out of shape.
Justin Andrews
I didn't get out of shape. And it was like, oh, that's a whole like win. That's all I had to do to just kind of main weather the storm. The second thing was not telling myself, I can't have this, I can't do that. But being aware of what I was Doing training volume wise like I, I, when I, when I have a lot of muscle when, when I'm built like I feel like Sal is built right now. I've got a lot of metabolic flexibility. I can enjoy the bowl of ice cream, I can eat out. I could do a lot of things and still look really good and maintain because my training volumes there, my training intensity is there and, and I love those things and I can have that kind of balance when I'm not, when I'm, when I'm giving myself permission to only do three sets of something and I may only trained once that week wrote that I can't eat like that. And so it, so what it looks more like is like, you know, if I really want to do that I need to do these things. And so I just tell myself that I don't tell myself no I can't have it. I say well you know, I didn't train this week. Like if I really want to eat that then I should definitely make sure I get in the gym tomorrow and then I'll enjoy that thing tomorrow after dinner or whatever the thing is. And just that balance of not just like I say eating like an asshole whenever to. And the permission of something is better than nothing is just. Is completely changed. How I maintain this kind of fit, healthy physique always, even when I'm quote unquote off.
Adam Schafer
I like to think of it these days is like I'm keeping myself somewhat game ready and that's just because I like to get after it. I like going super intense and hard and but that's, those are all periodic. Like I do seasons of it. So I try to at least like you know, do a period of a month, two months or so like throughout the year where I'm just like really getting after it but I don't want to. The friction, the, the difference between not training going into, then going into intensity, it's so substantial. Like I'm not, I'm not going in and my joints and everything are just, you know, aching and I'm, I have like all these extra days I have to recover just to, just to keep going. So for me it's like it just keeps, keeps that momentum there. But also like I, I feel like when I want to, I can really express, you know, that side of me.
Sal DeStefano
Well, you could. Okay, so you could put exercise into three general categories of, of how you would use exercise. The first one is just activity. So activity. There's health benefits to activity. The data on this is super clear. Like if you move throughout the day in an appropriate way. Like you're not hurting yourself and beating yourself up, but you're moving throughout the day. You're much healthier than if you didn't move throughout the day. So there's activity. Then you have athletic performance. Exercise obviously is used for athletic performance. Stamina, endurance, agility, power, all those different things. And then you have. Which kind of is connected to that second category, which are adaptations. How does exercise get my body to adapt? What am I looking for? What am I looking for from a results perspective from exercise? So we're going to take athletic performance and adaptation. We'll combine them. Most people listening to this are not necessarily working out for dramatic athletic performance. Most people are looking for some kind of a fitness aesthetic change, body fat, muscle health, longevity, mobility, that kind of stuff. So those are the two categories. Activity, adaptations. So activity very easy. Everybody move throughout the day. Okay, so if you want to improve your health, just don't sit down all day long. Okay, so what does that look like? I don't know. Get up and walk a few times a day after breakfast, lunch, and dinner. This just tackles it greatly for most people. The data shows that about 8,000 steps a day, if you were to track your steps, gives you the vast majority of all the results you'll get from daily activity. So if you want all the health benefits of being active, you try to aim for around 8,000 steps a day. Some people would say 10,000, but the data seems to show around 8,000 is great. So there's that. Okay, now let's look at structured workouts. Adaptation. It's not the activity part that I want from those. So this is where people get confused. They're like, well, I got to do a lot all the time, otherwise it's a waste of time. No, no, we got the activity part handled. What we're looking for now are adaptations. What do I want? What kind of adaptations am I looking for from the exercise, you know, type that I pick? Well, what I want is something that's going to change my body composition. It's going to build muscle. It's going to help me burn body fat through a faster metabolism. It's going to make me look better. It's going to reduce pain, it's going to improve mobility. And so that's strength training. Strength training does all those things with little time spent or at least in comparison to other forms of exercise. Like if you want to build muscle, boost your metabolism, burn body fat. Strength training does that with way less time than other forms of exercise. Okay. So now let's get to the time. How much time do I need to devote to strength training to maximize its effects? Well, I'll tell you what the data shows.
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
Adam Schafer
Two days a week always surprises.
Sal DeStefano
Two days a week of a full body workout will get you about 80% of all the results you'll ever get from strength training your entire life. Three days a week will get you 90%. So three days a week is 90%. So think of all your. Think of your body's ultimate potential. I'm not talking about 90% of the speed of results. Don't confuse that. So your pro. Your progress, if you do this right, is as fast as it's going to be. If everything's dialed in, there's a speed, and that's that you can't move it any faster. 90% refers to your potential. So think of the most muscular, most fit you could ever possibly get. You'll get 90% of the way there with three days a week. You'll get 80% of the way with two days a week. And most people listening to this right now would be ecstatic with the 80%.
Justin Andrews
I don't. I don't. I would. I would go further and say most people would be ecstatic with 50% of their 80% potential.
Sal DeStefano
Right, right. So it's.
Justin Andrews
So.
Sal DeStefano
And this is just, just 100% right. If you think of yourself right now, think of the ultimate body you could ever have, and you got 80% of the way there with two days a week. Like, that's a pretty darn good trade. Okay, how much do I need to do to maintain that? Let's say I've been working out three days a week. Let's say I'm in the 90 percentile category. Like, I'm consistent three days a week. Strength training, it's 45 minutes to an hour each time. And I've been doing it now for a long time. Now I go into a difficult season and I'm like, okay, I can't. I don't have the time to go to the gym three days a week consistently or the energy. Maybe I have a lot of stress. Maybe I have a new baby. Maybe I had a new job. Okay, Holiday season. Okay. Should I just not go because it's not worth it? No. Here's what the data shows. One workout a week. One workout a week. And I'm not even talking about, like, a long workout. 30 to 45 minutes. This is what the data shows. One set per body part in that workout. Not three sets. One set. One Set of squats, one set of presses, one set of rows, one set of overhead presses, one set of curls, one set of tricep extension and ab exercise and you're out. That right there would keep your progress. In other words, you won't go backwards. You're going to maintain what you've built. That's how little you need. So when things get busy, that's what it could look like. Here's the other option. You know, here's, in my opinion, the better option. I like the second, this next option I'm going to communicate because in my experience as a coach, this is the, this is the, the one that's most likely to be consistent. It's the one that builds the most momentum and it works with most people's schedules. This is just the better option from a. Just seen it in practice. Instead of doing that one workout a week or two workouts a week, 15 minutes a day, that's what you do. You do two exercises a day, one exercise, two every day. And if you miss one, big deal. You've got five more days, you can fit in anywhere and you're done. Yeah. And you're done. And for most people, not only does this prevent going backwards, most people actually go forwards with this because you could progress this. What do I mean by that? Not by doing more time. You just get stronger.
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
Justin Andrews
There's also another benefit that is, I think, greatly impacted that the studies don't show. Because in a controlled study where we just compare the total volume and sets, and if it's equal in one day versus stretchover, the results are pretty similar. But behaviorally speaking.
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
Justin Andrews
When you've trained a lot of people and you see what happens and including yourself, if you've ever measured or paid attention to this, the, the guy or the girl that just does one or two exercises in the day, pay attention to that day, the rest of that day.
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
Justin Andrews
Versus the day that you just didn't do anything. So let's say that person does that full workout just on Saturday, because that's the only difference. That's fine. Then they have a great, great workout that day. But then pay attention to what Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday looks like activity wise for that person. Lot more. It tends to be a lot more difficult for that person to actively go out and take the walk or, or choose to do something more physical, labor wise, versus the person has created this habit of like, every day I just do a lift. Every day I do one or two lifts. And that person who does that they tend to do more around the house. They it's easier for them to get up and go take the walk. And so the study doesn't tell us everything because they'll compare those two groups.
Sal DeStefano
You're right.
Justin Andrews
And they'll control all things and they'll say, oh, it doesn't matter. You can do all that volume in one day a week or you can spit it out and it's relatively close the same. So do what you want.
Sal DeStefano
That's not real life.
Justin Andrews
But what I'll tell you, and I'll agree with with Sal on this is that I've seen it not only in my own life, but in through clients, those people that just make a habit. And that's what this goes back to. The two things I've distilled this down to is just giving myself the permission to go do one exercise.
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
Justin Andrews
I can just go do one thing. Because what I found was after I did that one, then I was like more. I was more likely to help around the house and clean. I was more likely to choose to wash my own car instead of going through the drive through car wash. I was more likely to go take that 20 minute walk than sit on the couch. And what? And that starts to add up and compound.
Adam Schafer
It provokes you to move more. Yeah, it really does.
Sal DeStefano
It does.
Adam Schafer
That energy.
Sal DeStefano
I'll sell it even more. Right. So let's say you're listening to this. You're like, okay, things are busy. Here's what I'm do. I'm going to do 15 minutes a day. I'm going to do one or two exercises every day. Here's what it ends up really looking like four or five days because you miss a couple here and there. You got a crazy life stuff's going on right now. Fine. You did four. Let's say you did four. Let's say over the next three months you consistently did four 15 minute workouts a week. That equals 60 minutes. Physiologically. Four 15 minute workouts spread out over four days is less stressful in the body than one one hour workout. Same time, one one hour workout produces more stress on the body. But here's the kicker. The one that produces less stress on the body actually gives you better results because of the less stress. Not less stimulation, but lower stress.
Justin Andrews
Yeah.
Sal DeStefano
Splitting it up actually produces also better results. Then from a momentum perspective, I don't think it's hard for me to sell this, but if you got up and did one exercise a day or two exercises a day every single day. It's easier to stay consistent than it is to remember to do that one hour workout a week. Now, I'm not saying you can't do one one hour workout a week. Again, that's perfectly fine. But doing a little every day seems to work much better. And by the way, the data that I'm pulling from when I say one workout a week will keep your progress. These were college aged athletes, these were advanced people. The more advanced you become, the harder it is to maintain that level of muscle. So the more muscle you build, the more strength you build, the harder it is to keep when you're at that level. Okay, so that study points to one workout once a week, one set per body part. I'll tell you this, I've seen other data that looks at more regular, everyday people and it looks more like one workout every other week. So where am I going with this? Doesn't something is not just better than nothing, it's great?
Adam Schafer
Well, I think it actually provides the discipline to get closer towards your optimal dose, which I think people don't even think like that or consider that what is, what is moving me the furthest in this pursuit because it's adaptation. At the end of the day, it's not just healing.
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
Adam Schafer
And so you can throw a whole bunch of variables at your body and you can hammer your body all you want, but are you progressing? Are you getting further along towards your goal? And I think, you know, taking it and peeling it all back to, you know, a more simplified approach, you can always build from there. It's like you can, you can squeeze out more potential, but like a lot of times what people find is that, you know, a lot less is actually more beneficial.
Justin Andrews
You know, one of the most challenging parts about this podcast for 10 years is overcoming how loud the noise is in the fitness space. Because the hype, the motivation, the beast mode, the all out, the no days off, it's this, it's, it's sexy, it's. And it and speaks to a very small percentage of fitness fanatics that are in this massive echo chamber that are all doing shirtless selfies and motivating each other, meanwhile losing 80 to 90% of the population who go like, either go for me, it's not for me, or they try it, get their ass handed to them, realize that they can't or they won't do that forever, and then they, and then they quit and then they think that that's what you have to do if you want to look like that, if you want to be like you, you got to do all those things. And in reality it's, it's not, it's much simpler. And I, there's a lot of, there's the, we get from other fitness people a lot of for this conversation because it's, it's counter to what everybody else is, is preaching and saying. It's like, oh, those are guys that, the no cardio guys are the guys that are always telling people to do less. That's such a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's, it's crazy how many people they are losing that will not step into fitness because they make people believe that you, you have to, it's got to be this crazy sacrifice, this crazy amount of stuff. And I was guilty of this as a young trainer. I mean I bought into the hype train and that was our main job. Our main job was just to motivate and hype people up to keep them motivated to show up to the gym every day and do that hour workout and can get on that cardio machine and sweat it out. And it was just like, man, there is such a better, more appropriate way to do this. And it's actually nowhere near as hard as we make it sound. The hardest part is just being consistent. And just like this whole beginning of this topic is like, how do I make it just not disappear? How is it just always a part of my, my life and part of the way you do that is by not over committing to something ridiculous that 90% of people wouldn't sustain, that only 10 of the population continue to and, and committing to something that is very realistic. And listen, if you, you want to end up doing more down the road, so you've been doing the two exercises a day, four days a week and it's been a year and you don't miss and you've been consistent like, cool. Add 10 more minutes, do another two exercises and progress and get that extra 10 you're talking about on the table. Like, but why don't you first prove to yourself that you're the person who does that doesn't exercise every, every day or at least tries every day and then gets at least four a week and do that consistently and watch the return.
Sal DeStefano
Well, there's a reason why we have a lot of fitness programs that we, that we sell and the ones that are the most popular, and I don't mean just the ones that we sell the most, but the ones that people follow most consistently and report the best results are the 15 minute versions of our programs. We have one right now. Maps 15 Powerlift it's a powerlifting program, meaning you're focusing on building strength in the big three plus the overhead press. So the goal is to hit PRs and all those, but it's organized in a way to where it's 15 minutes a day. These programs and we have many others are the ones that people are the most consistent following and we, and we consistently get the best reviews because it's the most appropriate for most people. What do I mean by most appropriate gets you the best results. In fact, Maps 15 Power Lift is 50% off right now. You can get it at 15powerlift.com. The code is 1250 for that. Also you can find us on Instagram. We'll see you guys there. It's mindpumpmedia.
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Title: When Life Gets Busy, Your Fitness Should Shrink…Not Disappear!
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Release Date: December 25, 2025
In this episode, the Mind Pump crew tackles one of the most relevant challenges in fitness: staying consistent when life gets overwhelming. Rather than seeing busy periods as a time to abandon fitness altogether, the hosts advocate for a "shrink, don't disappear" strategy—meaning, scale workouts down but never stop completely. They debunk the “all or nothing” mindset and share science-backed strategies for maintaining (and even making progress) with minimal time commitment.
The episode’s tone is practical, motivational, and at times, a little contrarian—aiming to free listeners from the unrealistic pressures perpetuated by the mainstream fitness industry.
“It's important to understand that something is definitely better than nothing.”
– Sal Di Stefano [04:08]
“Two days a week of a full body workout will get you about 80% of all the results you'll ever get from strength training your entire life.”
– Sal Di Stefano [14:08]
“Just giving myself that permission was this huge unlock for me.”
– Adam Schafer [08:11]
“If you want all the health benefits of being active, you try to aim for around 8,000 steps a day.”
– Sal Di Stefano [12:00]
“Doing a little every day seems to work much better. And by the way, the data that I'm pulling from... these were college-aged athletes, these were advanced people.”
– Sal Di Stefano [19:54]
“The hardest part is just being consistent. And just like this whole beginning of this topic is, how do I make it just not disappear?”
– Justin Andrews [23:28]
The Mind Pump team makes a forceful case for shrinking—not abandoning—your fitness routine during busy times. The science is clear: maintenance requires less than most people realize, and consistent, brief sessions are not only effective but also more likely to stick. The episode dismantles extreme fitness culture, instead empowering listeners to build healthier, more realistic habits that can be maintained year-round.
In short:
A little, done consistently, beats a lot, done sporadically—especially when life gets chaotic.