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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth
2834: 5 Fitness Influencers Worth Following (And Why Most of Everyone Else is Lying to You)
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Sal DeStefano
99.9% of fitness influencers on social media are totally garbage. It's true. Don't follow them. They'll leave you in the wrong direction.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, that's. That's pretty true. Okay, so if you were to Give the audience 5 influencers in the fitness space regarding, like exercise science or nutrition. That direction. What are five people they should be following?
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Sal DeStefano
That's a good question because we. Okay, so it is true that most.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You only get five. You could do that. I'm sure we could go all day long.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes. But.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So I'll put. Give me five. Give me five. That everybody should be.
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Sal DeStefano
I'll do some qualifiers.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Right.
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Sal DeStefano
So these are there.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I'll.
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Sal DeStefano
We'll name some people who are really good with the exercise part of fitness. Right. So not like, like they do good nutrition stuff too, but. Right. People you'd want to follow when it comes to workout style advice. Okay. And although I'll stand by what I said, most influencers on social media don't promote good advice, don't do a good job leading people the right way. But there are people who are good that are out there. So I'll name some. So Joe DeFranco, Brett Contreras, Ben. Ben Bruno, Jordan Syed, Don Saladino. Those would be five off the top of my head, like kind of fitness people that give some good information that I would say give them a follow.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I, I love that. And what. Okay. There's some super common themes amongst them, although very different.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, they're all different.
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Adam Schafer
Get some sports specific information there. You get some general pop. You get some like, hypertrophy. Like you don't.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You know what I find that they all have in common, though? That really, really. Well. Nuance.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes. Well, okay.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Right, so.
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Sal DeStefano
And to go deeper, they all have a lot of experience training a lot of people.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yes.
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Sal DeStefano
And that's why I think they do such a good job.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Which comes with the nuance.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. Because you're going to have new. So like, let's start with the first one I mentioned, which I think was.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, they're actual trainers.
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Sal DeStefano
I started with Joe. Right. Joe DeFranco.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
He's been training people for a long time. I think we all looked up to him when we were personal trainers.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
When I was in college.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
I loved his content.
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Sal DeStefano
And what I like about Joe is he's so good with the nuance. He's so good at explaining why something may be true sometimes, but not always. Or that one video, Adam, where somebody was criticizing an athlete for the way that they were being trained and saying, oh, that's why they got injured. And he did such a great job going in and really breaking down the truth. And he did it in a very. I mean, it made perfect sense.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. You know, these guys all you know, another thing that I find in common with all of them is all of them were great trainers before social media came.
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Sal DeStefano
Good point.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But long before social media came, they were already good coaches and trainers. Then social media came, and then eventually they were found and, and became popular, and all for different reasons.
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Adam Schafer
They didn't do it to get popular on social media.
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Sal DeStefano
What a great point. I think a fitness influencer who's media first, trainer second, bad. You know, because you're right, all these guys, all these people were training people for a long time.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And even, even to take it, like to give some credit, it doesn't necessarily they're bad, just they're not as good.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, because you could, you could have, you could have came up in the. That's not to say that anybody who, who's younger, who came up in the social media world and they got famous through social media and they, we came down that they, they can't be a good coach, but everybody that you listed made their bones in coaching people in real life first and was already successful doing that without needing social media. Social media just blew up their ones on social media.
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Adam Schafer
It's like great information. You can receive that sometimes, but they don't have that experience to back it. And like the, the way to kind of navigate through that when you're troubleshooting.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Okay, so since we're talking about these five people that I would consider friends of ours, let's talk about what you like about each of them individually.
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Sal DeStefano
Well, so Joe, you know, Joe's, he's, he's an og and he understands especially exercise performance training and nuance around that. And he was talking about things that now I think we take for granted that a lot of athletes or athletic trainers utilize. He was big on the sled before people were making that a big deal.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, he was.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. He understands how to apply, you know, explosive style training in the, in the proper context. He understands range of motion in the proper context. And he also communicates it very well. He communicates like a, like a guy you would just talk to. Yeah. Now he doesn't talk over your head. Even though the dude is super intelligent.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I found that interesting that you, because you, you chose these, I only gave you five to choose from. And some people might be going, oh, what about. So we have a lot of other friends that are very intelligent, have their own certifications, you know, and are brilliant.
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Sal DeStefano
You limited it to 5 too.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, and, and, and, but I, I do like the, the list that you put together for, for where I'm going with this is that there's definitely some of our friends that are more science heavy. But one of the things I love about Joe is Joe is brilliant, but then also communicates in a way that the average person can understand and go, oh, that makes a lot of sense why I do that. And I think that's such a valuable trait. I'm sure I'm a bit biased because I think I'm. I lean more in this direction than the science heavy guy. Like, I think communication and getting your clients to apply or change behavior is far more important than. Can I argue or debate with you about a study that proves me more right?
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And Joe has the ability to do both, which is so great, which makes him a superpower.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Now, Brett Contreras speaking science, think he does a great job with taking science and combining it with his. His experience. He does a really good job. And one thing I like about Brett is he, he won't die on a hill if there's a study or something that kind of proves that maybe his opinion was wrong.
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Adam Schafer
So rare to find that that's right.
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Sal DeStefano
Or he'll go conduct studies themselves. Now, this guy became famous popularizing the hip thrust. In fact, he would say he was one of the first people to do this as a strength building, butt building exercise. And I would agree. I don't really, I never really heard of the hip thrust in the way that he talks about it until he did. And he also does a great job communicating traditional heavy strength training to women. He does a great job because he's got all these female athletes or these female competitors that train under him and he's proven like, nah, build muscle, get strong. That's the way to go.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. I mean, you could make a pretty fair argument that women that lift really heavy weights, the majority talking about, obviously this is an over generalization, but a bulk of that movement came from CrossFit and Brett Contreras.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes, good point.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Probably are responsible for a large percentage of women that are not afraid to lift heavy ass weight. The other thing too about Brett is of all, he's probably the most science heavy at everybody that you listed, but also communicates in a, in a very simple way, even though he has a very high level understanding of all the science, which makes him also a superpower too, is that he can get in there and argue and debate with the best of them and has read all the literature and knows most all of it like the back of his hand, but then also can communicate to the average person to get his point across and help somebody out. So I love that too.
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Sal DeStefano
Totally. And then Ben Bruno, one of my favorites. Yeah. Well, first of all, he's got a great personality. Hilarious. But he of all the. He's like a very much like a train. Like he's, he's like, he's a trainer's trainer. Yeah, he's like a really good trainer who's worked with a lot of everyday people. And you know, when you talk to him, because I would say of all these people up here, I probably relate the closest to him because that's what I trained a lot of was just everyday people. Well, most people.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
The irony though about Ben is that Ben has trained a lot, but he's also. Most of his list is celebrities and athletes.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Adam Schafer
You got high athletes, high level.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
He has everything. I think one of the thing why we probably all connect so much to Ben that he really focuses on behavior type stuff and practicality and he's, he's very much so a realist in like understanding that. I've trained enough people who have tried all the things and understand all the science and all that. Doesn't matter if they don't continue to show up, up every day and do the thing. And from all the years and years and probably close to thousands of people that he's interacted with has distilled it down to this is the stuff that works. I don't give a. About your study.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That proves your way might be a better way in a clinical master of the application. Right, right. In a clinical setting. I know what works with people and I know how to get people results and I know how to keep.
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Sal DeStefano
And by the way, he'll explain it. Well.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Say here's why that doesn't work in the real world.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
He does a good job because you
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
know, he's, he's applied it.
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Sal DeStefano
That's what I mean.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
He's applied it and he's done it. And so yeah, Ben, Ben's one of my favorite up there for sure. I love that you picked him because. Very, very relatable. Really, really great guy also too. Another thing that I think that's important to point out about him and maybe arguably I, I'd put some, a couple of these other guys in that list too. Ben is really evolved in his. His place too. A lot of people in fitness, even the experts in the Best have these deep rooted insecurities that have propelled them to be these experts. That is what's driven them to be obsessed with the gym, obsessed with the information, obsessed with all of it. It's what gives them kind of their superpower. Ben is not that guy. Ben is very much so a very normal dude that wants to say. And I think that is so relatable and helpful to the average person who wants to stay in shape. And so that to me he's very evolved as a coach and trainer. Obvious. Probably criticized by peers that are obsessed with the way they look or the PRs that they're doing. He don't give a shit. And that's what I mean.
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Adam Schafer
Super high performance based or super aesthetic base. He's just. Yeah, he, he again too. And I think a lot of the best coaches, well, the most of the coaches I know were the struggling athlete or the struggling person that like really wanted to figure it out and like worked really hard to get to that point. And it's like they realize that their real gift is coaching.
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Sal DeStefano
That's why I think that's why one of the things I like about Ben, that's what I meant. Like when he communicates, I think his content is so good for everyday people trying to get fit. Like everyday people trying to get fit. Watch his stuff. It's gonna be very valuable to you. That's just the way he communicates. Yeah. Which is good. Jordan. Sy, we got him next. He's great.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I love Jordan.
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Sal DeStefano
He's great. I think he's got great now. He is actually really good at social media. But he was again a trainer way before he just.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, he got good because he was, he was Gary Vee's coach.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So he got the opportunity to train Gary V before anybody knew who he was. And Gary Vee spit game to him on the social media side and then he got good at that. But he was already a good coach.
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Sal DeStefano
He is a great coach. He's also a coach of coaches. So good. It's good for trainers to follow Jordan and he has a community, I think of trainers, right. That he works with his inner circle and he does a great job of communicating, you know, complicated, you know, stuff into very simple terms. Again that's a theme that you're going to see with all these guys. Yeah, he's also a great guy and he's a very hardworking, very honest, very hard working trainer. Probably one of the hardest people working trainers that I've met in this also.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I put him in that category with Ben Bruno too. A very evolved with like he's, he's been super, you know, ripped and strong as like he's, he's Done the thing. Like he's done crazy feats, but he doesn't live in that space. Like he cares more about being a father and healthy and balanced and helping people and you know, enjoying life and the nice thing. And so I think that does a really good job of communicating overall health and fitness and. And cutting through a lot of the. That's out there.
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Sal DeStefano
And.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And also well read too. Like he knows his studies, he knows the science. He' aware of that. But then communicates fitness in a very simple way that the average person can adopt it and consistent with it.
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Sal DeStefano
And then we got Don, Don Saladino, great guy. He's. He's got such a great attitude of service. This is what got him initially. He's also a great trainer, of course. But what got him so popular in the celebrity world is that they felt comfortable with him because it didn't look like he was looking for anything back from them. But also communicates fitness so well, so accurately so in such applicable ways, appropriate ways that most people could take from. Also just a great guy when you meet him. Also very hard working guy, but just a. Just again deserves to be on this list.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Maybe.
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Adam Schafer
Maybe super likable.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Maybe the most experience out of everybody on the list of training people. Him and Joe.
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Sal DeStefano
Joe's got to be Joe for sure. Yeah. Don's.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, I don't know though. Joe. Joe.
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Adam Schafer
How long has Don been doing it?
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Don still trains a lot of clients.
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Adam Schafer
Oh yeah, he's.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Does Joe still train the volume of clients that Don does? Good question. That's why I think. I think Joe's been doing it a little bit longer. Right. But I don't think Joe trains as many one on one clients.
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Sal DeStefano
That's not his main business.
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Caller Evan
No.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But Don still. Don still does. Don still trains a lot of clients one on one and so he arguably maybe the most hours of one on one with people.
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Sal DeStefano
That's tough. Joe's been doing it for a long time. He's been training people since the 90s. It's been. Is Joe and so. And Don is. When did dawn start? Probably. Is he our age or is he younger?
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Don? No, he's. Don's older.
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Sal DeStefano
Don's older.
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Adam Schafer
He looks good.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Or he's your. He's your. He's your age. He's older than me.
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Sal DeStefano
He might have started in the 90s as well. It's a good. It's a good.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, you're right. They're probably both up there. Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean regardless of who's a little more or less My point is they're both just really. You're talking about two of the most experienced one on one coaches. I would say. Joe a little heavier and more experienced in the, in the sports performance world for sure. Dawn a little more experienced in the average person. And so I think depending on your cup of tea, I mean all, all five are must follows. If you don't follow them, you have to be following them. I think their content, their, the information they provide.
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Sal DeStefano
And it's real important too. I mean one of the reasons why fitness influencers are so terrible for the most part, besides the fact that the information they often communicate is either wrong or not needed to be communicated. So sometimes you get a fitness influencer who communicates good information. A study, but they're communicating something that's just going to confuse people and misdirect people. And so they just don't have the experience to know. Like this isn't something I should sell because it actually doesn't matter. In fact, all it's going to do is turn people away. But the other reason is that fitness is so body obsessed. It's so obsessive about how you look and it's kind of got this unhealthy underpinning that following. Even people with good information who sell things in that way can kind of make things not good. And so the fitness space in general and social media can be that way. I didn't even when you follow the right people, then it's very positive.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I didn't think about that either. That that is common with all, all five of these guys too. Like none of them use their physique to sell.
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Sal DeStefano
Not their physique. No. Brett will, will show his, his women that he trains. But that's what he does.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, but it's him in his jorts. He's not, he's not saying he's not. I mean, I think he's a niche.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I think when he, I think when he hit a certain milestone age, I think he, he presented like this is where he's at his age.
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Sal DeStefano
You know, one thing I like about Brett, because he'll have the, you know, the, the booty model stuff on his. Because that's what he trains. He trains a lot of these women that compete. But it's, he's always showing how strong they are. He's always showing like the, the traditional strength training. So he puts a, like a good positive point with it because he knows how to train.
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Adam Schafer
Breaking down the exercises.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right.
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Adam Schafer
Being very specific with it.
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Sal DeStefano
That's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. But the point you made, Adam, I think, is so. I didn't even think of that. Like, they were all training people for a while. First before. First. Yeah, they were all. That's what they did. This was their profession. They weren't fitness influencers. They're trainers.
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Adam Schafer
No.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
That just so happened to come along
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Adam Schafer
with social media, YouTube stars.
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Sal DeStefano
I think that's.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I think that's got to be one of the hardest things for the younger. If you're, you know, younger than, say, 40, so 35 or even and younger, and you find yourself looking for content or for good people on Instagram to be able to discern between, you know, were these people good before Instagram came out? You know, like. And, like, did. Did they get good? Not because they're good at making. Because what makes you good on Instagram is not necessarily what makes you a good coach.
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Sal DeStefano
100.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It does. You can be very good on Instagram and be a horrible coach, but if you were a great coach first and then you. You happen to be a decent or famous on it, because some of them aren't. Aren't even that. I'm trying to think who were the. What's. Doug, can you pull up the following on everybody right now? I know. Say it. I believe science. Over a million. I don't think Ben is over a million. I don't know if Brett is. Tell me what the following is on all of them. I'm curious to where they're all. I think. So who's got the low? Who's got the lowest following? Be interesting because we were just arguing that Joe. We were arguing that Joe and Don Franco.
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Sal DeStefano
184,000 followers.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Okay, so not crazy.
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Sal DeStefano
No, no, not at all. Brett's probably got a huge following.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
So, Dino, let's see.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
428,000.
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Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah. So he's not at a million. Brett 1.7. Yeah, he's got the. He's got a huge Ben Bruno.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And I bet the reason why Brett is because he's got a lot of instance.
- [22:30]
Sal DeStefano
So Ben brewing half a million. So 500, 000.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
So let's see. Jordan.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Jordan's over a million, I think.
- [22:36]
Sal DeStefano
Is he.
- [22:37]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Jordan's a little higher. It's your best one out of social media.
- [22:39]
Adam Schafer
Oh, yeah.
- [22:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
He's.
- [22:40]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [22:40]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Where's he at?
- [22:41]
Sal DeStefano
I can't even find him. Oh, there he is. 1. 1. 1.1. So, Brett, a little bit more.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [22:46]
Sal DeStefano
And then what's dawn at?
- [22:48]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I think don's the lowest.
- [22:49]
Sal DeStefano
Is he?
- [22:49]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, no, he's not. 428, you said?
- [22:51]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [22:51]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And what was Joe?
- [22:53]
Sal DeStefano
Joe is only 187.
- [22:54]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Wow. How funny is that? We were giving probably Joe some of the most flowers, and Joe is. I mean, like, he's been in the
- [23:01]
Adam Schafer
game the longest out of all of them, for sure.
- [23:03]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, I mean, they're all. They're all good. They all do a great job. And it's funny, too, because we'll. We'll meet people and we'll talk with them. And, you know, when you have a lot of experience as a coach, you can hear it when someone else starts to talk and answer questions. You go, okay, this person. I remember Brett Contreras. We first had him on the podcast. I didn't know a ton about him except for what he was known for. And we started talking right out the gate. He's a science guy, right? But right out the gates, as he's talking, I'm like, oh, he's trained a lot of people.
- [23:33]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, you. You know, I remember. I remember that conversation every time we challenge him or ask him a question that we are trying to see where he stands. And so that he always started it with. Depends.
- [23:43]
Sal DeStefano
It depends.
- [23:43]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, yeah, there was no. There was always nuance to the answer. And I think that's what all these guys do. Such a good job is they. That, you know, there's. There's an exception to almost every rule. And by the way, I know someone will do this. Whenever we talk about people we really like or something like that, you. You. If you sift, you guys should do this. Well, no, there's. They'll sift through their content and find something that we don't say exactly the same or we don't say. It's like you're gonna find amongst even all five of these that some of them might communicate something else a little different. It doesn't make one guy right or wrong. It's like. But I'd say about 99 of all of our fitness philosophy is aligned. Yeah, I don't.
- [24:25]
Sal DeStefano
Well, what's true is true.
- [24:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, exactly. I think that's. There might be some different strategies that each of us have because of our backgrounds, but for the most part, I think agree with almost everything that you guys talk about.
- [24:36]
Sal DeStefano
All right, I'm going to talk about creatine. I know we talk about them all the time, but.
- [24:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, did you get this thing I sent over to you? Did you find this study on it?
- [24:42]
Sal DeStefano
So I found the study. It's not a public. I can't pull up the actual study but I found others like it that support it. But check out this study. This was a 2023 randomized control pilot study where women with major depressive disorder. So these were women with depressive disorder. They were given and a core more. They had anxiety as well. So they had this major depressive disorder and they also had anxiety. Okay. And they gave them 5 grams of creatine a day. So that's it. So normal serving, not the 15 grams that you see in some of these studies for brain health. Five grams of creatine a day. Within the first week there was a 50% decrease in anxiety.
- [25:20]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's crazy.
- [25:23]
Sal DeStefano
With some sources claiming up to 95% by the end of the study. Here's the deal. Anxiety is rough.
- [25:29]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Why sal would that, why would creatine at a 5 gram dose make that much of a difference on anxiety and depression?
- [25:38]
Sal DeStefano
If your depression and anxiety is a result of poor energy production.
- [25:44]
Adam Schafer
Energy in your brain.
- [25:45]
Sal DeStefano
That's right. Or just in your body overall. Right. If it's a product of poor energy metabolism or just not being able to create enough energy for whatever reason, then increasing ATP would make you feel a lot better. Definitely. And anxiety can be that you can get anxiety from nutrient deficiencies as well. So you'll see sometimes people vitamin D deficiency. But creatine. That's not the only study by the way. In 2012 there was a double blind study with 52 women again with this depressive disorder. Adding creatine to their SSRI led to faster and greater reduction in depression compared to just the ssri. So creatine in combination with the SSRI was like better, Much better. Much faster reduction in depression. There was another study with 100 adults with depression. Five grams of creatine a day plus cognitive behavioral therapy reduced depression scores more than just the cognitive behavioral therapy by itself. There's meta analysis that are done on this that discuss its potential as an adjuvant. Excuse me, Adjunctive benefits for depression. So in combination with other therapies, it's a good idea. It's good for you. I read about this.
- [27:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I can't, I can't imagine then how what the result would be for someone who is, who's battling anxiety and depression if they, and they didn't take creatine, they all of a sudden started supplementing with 5 to 15 grams of creatine a day and started strength training two to three times. Because we already know what exercise does for that category coupled with creatine. It has to be.
- [27:27]
Sal DeStefano
Here's. Here's what'll happen. And now here's something else. And Doug, if you could look this up, look up the rate of anxiety on. With vegan versus omnivores. So I know that vegans will suffer from higher rates of anxiety than omnivores when, when their diets are somewhat healthy. I wonder if that's, if that's creatine. Because you see these pretty dramatic improvements in, in health with, especially with vegans and creatine because they're not getting any from. From dietary, you know, sources.
- [28:00]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [28:01]
Sal DeStefano
So sense.
- [28:02]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, I don't think this is what you're looking for.
- [28:05]
Sal DeStefano
Nah, there's more.
- [28:06]
Adam Schafer
There are.
- [28:06]
Sal DeStefano
So there are other studies that. So meta analysis will show that higher nutrient deficiencies and anxiety and depression. Yeah. So you have to look at healthy versus healthy, by the way, not vegans versus garbage omnivore diets.
- [28:20]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, yeah, that makes, that makes sense.
- [28:22]
Sal DeStefano
So. But yeah, creatine, just one of those. If you have better energy production in the body, you tend to feel better. Yeah.
- [28:29]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, logically that makes sense. I just find that percentage is profound.
- [28:35]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [28:35]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, that's a big difference to report within a week's time.
- [28:38]
Sal DeStefano
You know what's cool about this? It's also, it's also good for you. It's extremely safe. So it's healthy. It's good. Longevity supplements, easy to take and it's inexpensive.
- [28:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, inexpensive, easy to take.
- [28:47]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Kion, our partners, Kion, have pure creatine monohydrate, I think, in capsules and just powder. You just try it?
- [28:55]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [28:56]
Sal DeStefano
Try it for 30 days and see if you notice an improvement.
- [28:58]
Adam Schafer
Well, it seems a lot like the conversation we had about like, mitochondrial health and like, why that's popping up so much. Yeah, it's very much connected. And that whole energy production system is like, you know, if you can get that back on track, like how many things we could resolve.
- [29:14]
Sal DeStefano
I have a friend, I have a friend of mine who is a nurse, and so she. And she does those crazy how nurses sometimes. Well, you know, your wife did this. These crazy schedules. Yeah. Well, they'll work overnight or whatever and then try to readjust. And it's just brutal. It's brutal. Yeah.
- [29:29]
Adam Schafer
Graveyard shifts.
- [29:30]
Sal DeStefano
She started taking creatine. She's like, I feel way better. Yeah, like way better. My, my mental focus is better. I don't feel so foggy. I don't feel so burnt out. And she's just taking 10 grams a day. Yeah. It was.
- [29:43]
Adam Schafer
What was that study that came out about like, you know, the lack of sleep and how it.
- [29:46]
Sal DeStefano
20 grams?
- [29:47]
Adam Schafer
Yes, 20 grams.
- [29:48]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Bad. You had really bad sleep. 20 grams of creatine erased the cognitive deficits that came from.
- [29:53]
Adam Schafer
It was crazy.
- [29:54]
Sal DeStefano
Which is super wild. I.
- [29:56]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Isn't that cool? No, that's super cool.
- [29:58]
Sal DeStefano
I love that.
- [29:58]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [29:58]
Sal DeStefano
Anyway, a BPC study. I got a BPC study for you guys. BPC157, it's back.
- [30:05]
Adam Schafer
Right. Like in circulation.
- [30:06]
Sal DeStefano
They looks like they're going to reverse the. They're definitely going to reverse the restrictions. So BPC157 will be. Yeah. So they gave 12 patients. This is a human study, 12 patients. A single injection of. One injection of BPC157 in their knee. Okay. So these had. People had chronic knee pain. This is osteoarthritis, meniscus, tears, ligament sprains. So people who had just chronic knee pain, one injection, 11 out of 12 of them. So vast majority of them had pain relief. Significant pain relief that lasted six months to a year with one shot. Every one of them had failed standard treatment for over a year.
- [30:52]
Adam Schafer
That's wild, dude.
- [30:53]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Dude. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's wild, huh? I know.
- [30:56]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Is it. Is it officially back? Do you know if it's back with like MP hormones and stuff?
- [31:00]
Sal DeStefano
Do you know they have pentadeca Argonate, which is the same thing.
- [31:04]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [31:05]
Sal DeStefano
Just. It's.
- [31:05]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But I know that they're getting.
- [31:06]
Adam Schafer
I wonder.
- [31:07]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, I know.
- [31:08]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Working on it. I know Phil was on the. On the phone with Katrina. I overheard the conversation and I want to say there was five peptides that came back that were one of them. That was one of them. And I am assuming that that means they've. They've got it ready to go now.
- [31:24]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [31:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I don't know if that was like it's going to. But I know he was celebrating that news with her, which was a big deal.
- [31:30]
Adam Schafer
That was.
- [31:31]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I forgot what the other four were. But there were some other big ones, too.
- [31:34]
Sal DeStefano
So the thing about peptides is that they're so popular now.
- [31:37]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [31:38]
Sal DeStefano
And you can go online and get them as research chemicals. This is what a lot of people are doing is they're going online. They're not getting them from FDA regulated compound pharmacies.
- [31:51]
Adam Schafer
A bit of a crapshoot.
- [31:53]
Sal DeStefano
And, you know, some of them may be good, some of them may not. Some of them might be something bad. I've actually seen some third party testing. It's a little scary on some of that stuff. Again, you're injecting your body. You might want to go the FDA compound lab. You know, compounding pharmacy. I should say brow with a doctor. That's what we have@mphormones.com it's like, this is a real medical professional and this is, these are real compounding pharmacies. It's not a subscribe quote unquote research chemical.
- [32:19]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
What percentage of people you think go gray market?
- [32:22]
Justin Andrews
A lot.
- [32:23]
T-Mobile Representative
Really?
- [32:23]
Sal DeStefano
It's a huge market, bro. Yeah, it's a huge market.
- [32:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's so funny to me.
- [32:27]
Sal DeStefano
I know. Work around.
- [32:28]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's always, I mean, even like the sub. I remember as a, like a trainer early on, like with my clients when I tell them to go get like a certain protein powder or this or
- [32:36]
Sal DeStefano
that and come back with a Walmart.
- [32:38]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:39]
Sal DeStefano
What are you doing?
- [32:40]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, it was half the price. It's like. Yeah, it's probably half the in there too.
- [32:45]
Sal DeStefano
A quarter of it even.
- [32:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Like. And this is stuff that you're ingesting, this is stuff you're injecting. It's like, why would you risk matters? Yeah, this is just one of those things. I don't know, save on your grocery bill or your electric bill or save on something else. I mean, I get saving money. I can respect that, you know, but the, the thing that you end up ingesting or injecting into your body, probably not the thing you.
- [33:10]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, I wouldn't skimp out on that.
- [33:12]
Sal DeStefano
Every time I see us, Every time I see an investigative report on supplements. We're not even talking about peptides right now, okay? Supplements. Every time I see an article, I go, oh God, here we go. Because they'll take supplements, they'll take third parties, test them all and like a majority of them come back. It's always not good. Yeah, yeah, Supplements, Just regular old supplements.
- [33:34]
Adam Schafer
You're like, ah. And you're bummed, you know.
- [33:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, it's, it's because it's such an easy cash grab because the. Nobody checks if you do it. Because nobody checks if you put just whatever in it, you can, you can get away with it and you can sell it for really expensive for and cost you nothing to build or make. So, you know, if you make a good run for six months to a year before you get caught, it's a slap on the wrist and you made a bunch of money. Yeah. So of course, I mean, it's so dirty that there's companies that do this and they just change their, their branding and do it again. No, I'm serious. It's like that's it? Yeah, it's not. There's not like serious ramifications for this. It's like. Yeah, exactly. Shreds, rebranded, recame, came right back and did something else.
- [34:20]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [34:21]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So these companies do that. They, they run as long as they can and they sell. They sell until that somebody decides, somebody else decides to pay for a third party test just to call them out, right?
- [34:32]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [34:33]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And then it's like, oh, you caught us. And then, oh, we'll just start a whole new brand. Do it all, do the hustle all over again. And it's just like, dude, don't. I mean, those are the things I don't know that you, you don't go skimp on. I don't feel like spin for the extra. And that's why it's expensive. Why the good supplements are expensive is because they're, they're paying to have a
- [34:52]
Adam Schafer
lot of stuff done themselves.
- [34:53]
Sal DeStefano
And margins on supplements, I mean, depending on the supplement, but they're typically not that good. Especially the common ones like protein powder. Margins suck.
- [34:59]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Creatine sucks.
- [35:00]
Sal DeStefano
Creatine sucks because they're super popular.
- [35:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Obviously all your, all your major vitamins. Yeah, you know, those are all suck. There's not, you're not making a lot of, you're not making huge margins off of that. The only way you're making huge margins, if it's garbage in there. If you fill a bunch of, you know, pills with water, then you can make a bunch of money. But if you don't.
- [35:18]
Sal DeStefano
My favorite, when they take like, you know, like the libido boosting pills and like 80 of them actually have like Viagra. Yeah, dude, like viagra.
- [35:29]
Adam Schafer
It's like one out of every like 20 pills or something.
- [35:32]
Sal DeStefano
Hey, by the way, you know what worked? You know what's funny about that is that that's, that definitely didn't stop anyone from buying them. No, no, because that's like, that's like, hey, did you guys know those muscle building pills, like five out of ten had steroids?
- [35:44]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [35:45]
Adam Schafer
Cool.
- [35:45]
Sal DeStefano
Whoa. Let's keep taking them.
- [35:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
No, that's, that's why they use things like that, like niacin. Like they use supplements and they use pro things, materials that make people feel something.
- [35:55]
Sal DeStefano
Do you remember the first time you took a big dose of niacin?
- [35:57]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yes.
- [35:58]
Sal DeStefano
Oh my God. Did you get.
- [36:01]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Sweating my face off sitting in my bed, bro.
- [36:03]
Sal DeStefano
I, I read that niacin was good.
- [36:05]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Turn my whole face red like a tomato.
- [36:07]
Sal DeStefano
Dude. I was working, I was managing Santa Teresa and I read some stupid article about niacin and blood flow and this, that and the other. So I'm like, yes, cheap, dude. I'll buy out. You know, I'll take anything. Because I did. I took a big old dose of niacin, but 40 minutes later, I'm giving a tour of the gym and I'm just. And the lady's looking at me kind of like, funny. She's like, are you okay? And I look in the mirror and it was, it looked like I had a massive sunburn. My whole. Everything was super red. I was like, what just happened?
- [36:33]
Adam Schafer
I think you're the only person I've ever met who's actually been able to take, like, each component from the supplement, buy them all individually, put them together. And like, I, I, it's, it's funny to me. I love it because it's like you're like this mad, you know, experimental scientist back in the day doing all that stuff.
- [36:51]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You've, you for sure have you win the award on. Although I definitely did a lot of stuff like that. That's, I think why I'm so jaded is because I did so much stuff that didn't work. And so I'm like, now I'm just like, it takes a lot to convince me that it's worth me spending any money on anything. It's like most stuff is. I mean, I did one of those, I did one of those videos our social media team did, and I think it was, I think Eli had me rate. It was Eli or Danny had me rate, like, 0 to 5 for, I think, building muscle and sub. I gave supplements a zero, you know.
- [37:26]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, my God. Because it was the, the of the list you had to pick.
- [37:32]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, yeah.
- [37:32]
Sal DeStefano
Zero to five. Food, Lifting weights. Yeah.
- [37:35]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Grass. Yeah. It was all these things just like, no, of course.
- [37:38]
Adam Schafer
Was that fall in line? Yeah.
- [37:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And then people were like, what about creatine? I'm like, well, creatine's great, but it's not moving the needle. Like these other things are going to move the needle. You take all the creatine you want for building muscle, not get a good night's rest and not work out.
- [37:50]
Sal DeStefano
You. It's like you're taking a bunch of kindergarteners and you're like, who's the strongest? Kindergartner. That's creatine. Yeah. Of all the supplements, it's the best. Yeah. We're dealing with supplements here, you guys. Yeah, A lot of them don't do much.
- [38:02]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's why you have to understand it. And it doesn't mean that I Like, well, I thought you said that. I was like, no. I mean, creatine is the greatest supplement. It's amazing. But it's like, if you give me a list of things that.
- [38:12]
T-Mobile Representative
Not.
- [38:12]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's not. Let's put this way. My family member comes to me, and they're, Adam, give me the things I need to do to go build muscle right now. And I give them the list. Like, it just. It doesn't even. It doesn't crack the top five.
- [38:23]
Adam Schafer
I'm not.
- [38:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's not my.
- [38:24]
Sal DeStefano
But I will. I will say this. For some cases, there's certain nutrients. If you have a nutrient deficiency or if you're one of those people. Oh, of course. If you're one of those people that you're just not making enough ATP, it's an. It's an inexpensive way to see. Does this help me? Is this gonna.
- [38:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, that's the new one.
- [38:40]
Adam Schafer
Then you have to get to the point where you're doing all the right things and then something still isn't working right. Okay, now, that's the nuance of it.
- [38:48]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Or if, like, you have. I mean, you got expendable income, that 100, then by all means, you know what you. You use and try and do all those things like that. But it's like, you know, I've never had somebody come to me and we. We weren't building muscle or doing something, and it was because I didn't give them a supplement. It wasn't. It was something like that. Oh, my God.
- [39:06]
Sal DeStefano
I forgot. I forgot that, you know who. You know who was. Was really fun for me to train with supplements?
- [39:11]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Doug.
- [39:12]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Doug loves supplements. So I would just be. Hey, try this. Like, okay.
- [39:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You know why? Because Doug's like you and where he's. He's good about. He's good about doing all the things. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm terrible. Take the pills. Like, it's so hard. Like, you know, I need someone to follow me around and, like, I can
- [39:29]
Adam Schafer
do one at a time.
- [39:30]
Sal DeStefano
Like.
- [39:31]
Adam Schafer
Like, you're the worst one thing.
- [39:33]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, I don't think anything.
- [39:34]
Adam Schafer
Like, none of it. None of it. All the once. I don't know. It's just like, just. I want to see if this is. Actually can do something. And I, like, I don't.
- [39:41]
Sal DeStefano
I should just start feeding. That's what I should do. I should be in. I should be in charge of you guys supplements.
- [39:44]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, I'm good if you. If you give it to me. I mean, that's why I've left.
- [39:47]
Sal DeStefano
I've done it before.
- [39:47]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's why I've left. That's why my thing looks like a mess over here of all these pill bottles.
- [39:51]
Sal DeStefano
Because it's.
- [39:52]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
The only way I'll take it is I look over at you and I'm right there.
- [39:55]
Adam Schafer
It's accessible.
- [39:58]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I look over here like, ah, I got those. I gotta take those supplements Sal told me to take.
- [40:02]
Sal DeStefano
You know, I'm gonna take a left. So I pulled up some. Have you guys seen that the studies that came out have been coming out on homeschooling? No. You guys see them?
- [40:10]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So, like, new stuff.
- [40:12]
Sal DeStefano
So they just came out with some testing and some data on homeschool kids. Homeschool kids outperform their public school peers in math, science, history, English, the SAT and the act. They basically demolished them. I believe it on all categories. And then I looked up the popularity of homeschooling through the years. In 1970, there were only 13,000 kids that were homeschooling old. 1990. 850, 000. 2000. 1.5 million. 20. 25 million. Whoa, it's blowing up.
- [40:44]
Adam Schafer
Exploded.
- [40:44]
Sal DeStefano
How many? And I. 20. 20, I bet. Jumped because of COVID Of course, a lot of parents were like, okay, I see what's going on here.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Watching the zoom, you're like, I could do that.
- [40:51]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. But. Yeah. And they. They. These kids generally outperform their. Their peers.
- [40:57]
Adam Schafer
I was just talking to these kids that were homeschooled over the weekend, and it was interesting because they're talking about their subjects that they study too. And it's like, okay, we're learning Latin. We're learning logic. And I was like, wait a minute. Logic? Like, what. What does that entail? What's the curriculum entail for logic? And it's like they'll give them these certain problems, but it's like they have to articulate the entire process of how they got to that conclusion. And I'm just like, wow. Like, you would never. You would never get that in a.
- [41:27]
Sal DeStefano
In a.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Now, what are some public schools? What. What are some of the. The bias that come with that, though, that you have to be fair.
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Sal DeStefano
Right.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Because the type of person who decides they're going to take on a responsibility like homeschooling, your kid is already a different person.
- [41:40]
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
- [41:41]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's not the average person.
- [41:42]
Sal DeStefano
This is a per. This is typically a parent that's very involved.
- [41:44]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Very.
- [41:45]
Sal DeStefano
You're right. You have to be.
- [41:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And so. And so there's.
- [41:48]
Sal DeStefano
There's advantages. Small classroom. All right. Although a lot of Homeschool kids do pods and stuff. Like still small classroom. And here's another. This is a big advantage. My wife just did this this morning. I just talked to her this morning because she's just going into new curriculum with my 5 year old and my 5 year old. A good parent, right. A mom or a dad knows what's most important for their kid to learn. Okay, here's an example. My son is doing these exercises where he has to learn how to listen, pay attention, and follow order. So she'll read a paragraph and then he'll have to go and try and remember every step. So it'll say, okay, first thing you're gonna do is underline the dog. Then you're gonna write an A at the top of the page. Then you're gonna use a red crayon circle. And so it's like a bunch of steps. When she's done, he has to go through and try and remember everything. So it's an exercise on paying attention. But my wife knows that my son, the thing that he probably that he definitely needs to work on the most is not being a perfectionist. So he's got this thing where if he messes up, he beats himself up. He really beats himself up.
- [42:52]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [42:53]
Sal DeStefano
So she knows that. So when he does it and he does a bunch of things wrong, because she's mom and she knows instead of saying, here's what you did wrong, here's fix that.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [43:02]
Sal DeStefano
She's like, oh, no, let's move to the next one. Let's try it again.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [43:05]
Sal DeStefano
Because she knows him. Yeah. A teacher might not have this ability because a, you're not mom. Well, yeah.
- [43:12]
Adam Schafer
You're not going to get that kind of individualized custom.
- [43:15]
Sal DeStefano
That's right.
- [43:15]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [43:15]
Sal DeStefano
And you're managing 30 adjustments. That's right. Yeah. And so. So she's able say, hey, this is the most important. In fact, I like that he's learning how to pay attention. But what's really important is I want him to not be a perfectionist because that can cause.
- [43:27]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So my theory is, is. Is tied more to what I said than you and you admitted, which is what I think is that I think that obviously the parents that homeschool are far more involved with the kids.
- [43:39]
Sal DeStefano
What I.
- [43:40]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And I think that if I can be as involved with my kid, with the professional of a teacher, like leading the way, it's like this beautiful. Like, I'll go heads up with a kid getting homeschooled with my son because of the attention that he gets and the leadership he's getting with school paired with the amount of attention that my wife and I give that kid now take homeschooling kids and put them against all schools and stuff like that. Like, oh, I wouldn't take that. But I'd take the bet on the homeschool kids all day long. But I would imagine a kid if you. If you teased out all the parents that are completely disconnected from their kids schoolwork and involvement and like that and don't. And don't say not a day goes by that Katrina I or both Katrina and I spend at least an hour plus with Max on part of his school stuff. If we're our. His school requires it. We have to sign off that we went through the packet. We did all the things and the kids in kindergarten. Okay. So we're not even into the upper grades. So with and I and they teach him stuff. I'm like, oh wow, that's so great. I wouldn't have thought to do that.
- [44:45]
Sal DeStefano
So I think you're always going to do better when you care and you pay attention. For sure. The crux of it all.
- [44:51]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But that's my point is like, I would. I would love to see the comparison. If you teased out all the parents that do not are not involved and then you put homeschool heads up against parents that are involved that are also in it.
- [45:05]
Sal DeStefano
So where the homeschool kids and there aren't specific studies, but there are studies that move in that direction. And so we don't have a direct one. So it's hard to say. I think that's the biggest factor. I agree with you. I think the biggest factor is how much a parent cares and how much they're involved. But what you find with homeschool kids is the odds that they. That they follow their parents values are significantly higher across the board. Definitely. That they. Yeah. And I think it's like, like here's the thing. Like you can be very involved with your kid, but they're still away for six hours being taught by someone else.
- [45:40]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's right. And you're rolling the dice on what values that they're giving.
- [45:44]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. So if you're homeschooling your kid and you're definitely putting them in things, you're not just like keeping them at home all the time. That's a myth. Right. A lot of people think homeschool means they're just with me all the time. That's not true. But they're with you way more than the typical kid who goes off for a long time. I mean, six hours or five hours or seven hours in school. It's interesting when you talk to homeschool parents are really successful at it. Ask them how much time you actually spend on education every day. It's wild. Like two hours. An hour.
- [46:12]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [46:13]
Sal DeStefano
Like, wait a minute, what. And your kid like is. It went to college and is crushing. And how did you get through all that stuff?
- [46:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [46:18]
Sal DeStefano
Didn't need to spend six hours doing all that stuff.
- [46:21]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I. I always wondered too, like. And I'd be. Jessica would be great to talk to. My cousin would be great talk to. Because they both.
- [46:26]
Sal DeStefano
Obviously I think your cousin's the best person to talk to to because she's done it for so long.
- [46:29]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So long.
- [46:30]
Sal DeStefano
We're so new to it.
- [46:31]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. And so many kids.
- [46:31]
Sal DeStefano
So many kids.
- [46:32]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Because the part that. And I've never really asked her this, that I find is. And maybe Max is because he's at a young age, but he is. When he's in the classroom setting, he's so much more likely to sit down and do the work. Do a thing that when he's with mom and dad, there's. It takes more of an effort for him to. To buy into doing that. And so there's also the power of, of you and your peers are all sitting down and there's like. And they have a very structure to all that versus me trying to get him to. To do certain things.
- [47:03]
Adam Schafer
It's like working at home. Remote.
- [47:05]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Right.
- [47:06]
Adam Schafer
It's a very similar. Yeah.
- [47:07]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Right.
- [47:07]
Adam Schafer
Aspect because. Yeah, there, there are those clear distinctions. It's like, you know, we're okay, but now we're family and we're hanging and we're, you know, to have that kind of clear split, you know, there could be some bleed over. But yeah, I. I know it's. It's interesting too because it's like if. And I feel like the passion has to come through as well. Like if that's, you know, from the parent that's actually, you know, providing it. Because you could get that kind of passion from a really good invested teacher.
- [47:34]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [47:35]
Adam Schafer
That actually very knowledgeable. But like pays that kind of attention.
- [47:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's how I know I couldn't do it. You know, it's just that
- [47:43]
Sal DeStefano
it is hella work because. Yeah. Let's be honest. Let's all be honest. Straight up. When you have little kids, it's a nice break. Oftentimes to say, okay, go to school and outsource that. Yeah, I get some time to myself. I get some time to clean the house. Like if you're. If You're. It's like you're on all the time. It's a big ass commitment. I don't think it's for everybody. For sure. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to do it if it was on me. Yeah, I would, definitely.
- [48:07]
Adam Schafer
I know we wrestle with that.
- [48:08]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. As much as I value it, I wouldn't be able to do it.
- [48:11]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, I. I've said to Katrina before, like, I mean, I mean, I would like for us to do it, but it's like, man, I could. It would be. I couldn't do it.
- [48:18]
Sal DeStefano
It.
- [48:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You know what I'm saying? And she wasn't motivated to really want to do that because there. There is. There's a huge. There's. Man, it's a nice to have. That's why it's easy for us to be involved in parents, is because I've only got to be involved in an hour after school. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not hard for me. That's not hard for me to. To pick up.
- [48:36]
Adam Schafer
Reinforcing.
- [48:36]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, to pick exactly. To talk to my teacher, his teacher, and go, like, where is he going? Where's he doing well? And I mean, we go through all his stuff. It's like where he's. Where he's lagging behind or where he's struggling or where he's excelling. It's like, okay, cool, we can focus on this at home. And then we compliment all their hard work that they're doing. And it's like, okay, I could do that. I got that all day, but asked me to do that for six hours in the day and then transition over to, like, parenting home and value dad, which is different than school dad. I guess that would be the crazy
- [49:05]
Sal DeStefano
part too, is that. And I see this more with public schools and depending on where you're at, but oftentimes, like, you look at what they teach your kids, like, from a values perspective, and you're like, man, I don't. That's not what I agree with. Like, what are you guys teaching our kids right now? What are you doing? I've seen so many stories of parents going to battle with schools over certain things that they're educating their kids.
- [49:27]
Adam Schafer
It's weird what people feel compelled, like, ideologically that they have to insert and inject, and you're just like, you know, instead of sticking with the curriculum and so, like, it just got. It muddied the waters a lot in the education system that I found. And so it's. It's been rough, you know, over the last few years. Needs to be disrupted big time.
- [49:47]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, that's the part that I think right now I'm good. I feel very, very confident in the direction they're going. Like, what. How will I handle being faced with something like that? Right? Like what.
- [49:57]
Adam Schafer
What will I do is hold them out, Right?
- [49:59]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, yeah, No, I mean, that's exactly how.
- [50:01]
Sal DeStefano
I talked to some parents. I told you guys this last time that they're. They were in a classroom, and one of the kids in the classroom identified as a cat.
- [50:08]
T-Mobile Representative
That.
- [50:09]
Sal DeStefano
And everybody went along with it.
- [50:10]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [50:11]
Sal DeStefano
And they're like, no, we're taking our kid out. What are you guys doing?
- [50:13]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, it seems like an urban legend. You know, I've heard of this. A couple different examples of that.
- [50:18]
Sal DeStefano
Yes.
- [50:19]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [50:19]
Sal DeStefano
It might even be the same. Same kids, probably. Yeah.
- [50:21]
Adam Schafer
We're in the same area.
- [50:22]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, dude. Like, what are you guys doing?
- [50:23]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [50:23]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, we want them to feel comfortable. No, dude, what are you doing?
- [50:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [50:27]
Adam Schafer
Sounds made up, but yeah.
- [50:28]
Sal DeStefano
It's like, what the hell is going on?
- [50:30]
Adam Schafer
Crazy.
- [50:30]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. And then you as a parent, you gotta sit there and explain that back home.
- [50:36]
Sal DeStefano
Well, we have people really like Halloween
- [50:40]
Adam Schafer
year round.
- [50:41]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You said Halloween. You brought up holidays. Right now. So my. My poor wife, when she's battling right up. So my son loves to decorate for the holidays. Right? We know you guys have known that forever with, with Halloween and Christmas. Well, those are the big ones. Right. But Katrina, I don't know if you've ever been to our house. We do. She does everything. St. Patrick's Day, Easter.
- [50:59]
Adam Schafer
That's fine.
- [51:00]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So she does, like, little decorations to the house. She has a couple vases that she always changes. And she, she's got out every. Every holiday through the whole year planned out. But we only go crazy for Christmas and Halloween because those are like month long decorations.
- [51:15]
Adam Schafer
Sure.
- [51:16]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But he's learned that, you know, that we do decorate for Saint. And we put all the stuff out for St. Patrick's Day with the gold and do the whole thing and Easter and yada and. But he's getting upset at Katrina that we don't have. We don't have enough decorations for Easter. And Katrina's like, this isn't. This isn't. No. He wants. Well, it's an outside holiday. Why would we not have decorations outside? That's his argument. Right now he's asking all the other family members.
- [51:39]
Adam Schafer
Big bunny.
- [51:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. So poor Katrina right now is like, trying to solve this. Like, I don't know what to do with this kid.
- [51:46]
Caller Roger
Right now.
- [51:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Because he wants to decorate.
- [51:47]
Sal DeStefano
You got Easter and then what? Cinco de Mine.
- [51:49]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, we got,
- [51:53]
Sal DeStefano
you know.
- [51:54]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You guys. So racist, bro.
- [51:55]
Sal DeStefano
What are you talking about, bro?
- [52:02]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, no, he does.
- [52:04]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
We had St. Patty's Day.
- [52:05]
Adam Schafer
We just did some cervezas, and then we did the.
- [52:07]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And we did the whole. You know, this is what she gets for going over the top, you know, and doing the whole house up and making it look like the leprechauns came in and destroyed it, pissed in our toilet and left.
- [52:18]
Sal DeStefano
No way.
- [52:18]
Caller Jennifer
Really?
- [52:18]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah.
- [52:20]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
She puts footprints on the. On the seat.
- [52:22]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, she goes all out.
- [52:22]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, yeah. Then turns the toilet water green.
- [52:24]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, my God.
- [52:25]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And then writes a note. Haha, I got away. And then she steals the gold.
- [52:29]
Adam Schafer
Great. Like, nobody does that. Like, oh, he loves. I told you guys way back, I dressed up as a leprechaun going to school. So that was like, you know, the level. Like, we went in my house.
- [52:38]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. That's sick. This is my favorite story, because nobody dresses up on St Patrick's Day.
- [52:43]
Adam Schafer
I'm just, like, casually throwing that out.
- [52:45]
Sal DeStefano
You were the only one.
- [52:46]
Adam Schafer
You're the only one in the entire school. Leprechaun hat, dude. Buckle. Like, how old were you, like, tights? 16, dude. Fourth grade, dude. Maybe third grade, actually.
- [52:59]
Sal DeStefano
So you showed up, your mom dressed you up like a little leprechaun. Yes. Dropped you off at school.
- [53:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Dropped me off? Hey, no, no.
- [53:04]
Adam Schafer
I was on the bus, everybody. I can't believe my friends didn't just completely roast me, dude. But I mean, you're so young that, like, everybody, oh, hey, you know, they
- [53:14]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
thought it was cool you didn't get pinched.
- [53:16]
Sal DeStefano
That's for sure.
- [53:17]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I didn't get pinched that day.
- [53:19]
Adam Schafer
And that's back when, like, you know, I thought I could do this little Irish jig. And so you just busted out. I swear to God, other teachers pulled me in their class and I just did it. Irish jig in front of the whole,
- [53:31]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
look, kids, we have a leopard girl here today.
- [53:33]
Adam Schafer
And you'd think, right? Like, I wouldn't have this fear of, like, speaking in public, you know, hey,
- [53:38]
Sal DeStefano
how many letters did you get from girls that they're like, hey, do you like me?
- [53:41]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [53:42]
Sal DeStefano
Yes or no?
- [53:43]
Adam Schafer
I don't even remember. I was like, looking back, I'm so. It's so embarrassing. Like, it's like, whoa, dude, I can't believe. I wish you hadn't talked.
- [53:50]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I bet if we. If we let Max, he probably would do something like that.
- [53:53]
Sal DeStefano
He's just show up by himself.
- [53:54]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I would not be surprised if we. If we got an outfit. Outfit for him to wear. He'd want to wear it to school. He would probably do that.
- [53:59]
Sal DeStefano
That's hilarious. Yeah, he's.
- [54:00]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, he loves. He. The. The dressing up for birthday.
- [54:03]
Sal DeStefano
Does he wear. Because my kids love this. He might. I don't know. He's not too old for this uniform. Well, no, they love, like, themed pajamas. Oh.
- [54:10]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, yeah.
- [54:11]
Sal DeStefano
And. And so my. And my 3 year old's convinced whatever she wears, she gets the powers of that. So we got her incredible pajamas. We got Spider man pajamas. And then here's the best one. You guys ready for this? Someone gifted us Christian pajamas that said, like, Jesus on them.
- [54:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [54:27]
Sal DeStefano
So she runs out of her room. It's not a superhero, just Jesus, right? She runs. I have Jesus powers.
- [54:34]
Adam Schafer
She start walking on, like, I have the most power.
- [54:36]
Sal DeStefano
So she's like, she's got Jesus power, dude.
- [54:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I'm like, all right, so in our
- [54:40]
Adam Schafer
house, quick, you have water. Let me turn that to wine real quick.
- [54:43]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
The luxury, The big luxury is if we allow him to stay in pajamas. Because if it was up to him, he'd wear pajamas all day long. So when he goes over to Nana's house, we normally end up picking him up in the afternoon or the next day, and he's still in his pajamas. He's all day long. Yeah. If he could wear pajamas all day, he'd wear pajamas all day and swim naked. That's his thing. That's like, wow. And so that's like, hey, we can't.
- [55:09]
Adam Schafer
He's always fun, dude.
- [55:10]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [55:12]
Sal DeStefano
So weird how similar he used to
- [55:16]
Adam Schafer
a little mini Adam.
- [55:17]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Dude, that's funny.
- [55:19]
Sal DeStefano
Hello. Hey, you guys, by the way, I gotta tell you guys, Guys, do you know who eats all the Chris Power.
- [55:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Who's responsible for that?
- [55:25]
Sal DeStefano
Who eats them all? Who? Who?
- [55:26]
Adam Schafer
We thought it was the trainers.
- [55:27]
Sal DeStefano
No, it's Doug, the little leprechaun. Listen, leprechaun. We're on to you, Doug. Hey. Every time. We're done with the show. Every time. And I. Sometimes I'll hang out just a little bit. He's got I bear. You got a bag in there, don't you?
- [55:39]
Justin Andrews
Not at the moment. I ate all those.
- [55:41]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
What do you. Okay, what's your. What's your favorite?
- [55:44]
Justin Andrews
The flaming ones.
- [55:45]
Adam Schafer
I like.
- [55:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I do like those too.
- [55:46]
Sal DeStefano
Those. Yeah, I like.
- [55:48]
Justin Andrews
And the everything ones. I like those.
- [55:50]
Sal DeStefano
I like those too. Just every day. And I'll be in here doing something and I'll hear that.
- [55:56]
Justin Andrews
Afternoon protein, you know, a little bit
- [55:58]
Sal DeStefano
of a pick me up.
- [55:58]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, maybe the, maybe the greatest hack yet though, when you think about it. Because what other. What other carb snack has got that much protein?
- [56:07]
Justin Andrews
Well, it's not that high in carbs.
- [56:09]
Sal DeStefano
You know what I mean? Look it up, Doug.
- [56:13]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, it's like, it's like a carby based snack.
- [56:17]
Adam Schafer
Would you call pretzels otherwise?
- [56:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Yeah. You would consider it. That. So that's, that's my point. Like what. What other carbs type of snack that is? High protein, low carb like that? You.
- [56:27]
Sal DeStefano
I can't think of any. Let me think.
- [56:29]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Beef jerky, dried chips. Like they do.
- [56:32]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, yeah, I know how much fibers are pork rind, so.
- [56:35]
Justin Andrews
10 grams of fiber.
- [56:36]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, bro. Hey, listen. 28 grams of protein, 10 grams of fiber. Fiber.
- [56:40]
Caller Roger
I know.
- [56:40]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's so good. Yeah. Only. Yeah. So good. Low calorie.
- [56:44]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah.
- [56:45]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So good.
- [56:45]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Yeah. They do a good job that. Hey, by the way, that company, it's. It's already blowing up.
- [56:50]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's huge.
- [56:50]
Sal DeStefano
That's going to be.
- [56:51]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
They're already. I think. Are they in Costco now? I thought I saw. They're in cost.
- [56:54]
Justin Andrews
I see it somewhere that. I think it was Costco. Yeah, yeah, Costco, Wegmans, Hyvee, the vitamin shop.
- [57:02]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
They blew up.
- [57:03]
Justin Andrews
Not in this local area, but I'm sure someplace.
- [57:06]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, they blew up fast.
- [57:07]
Sal DeStefano
But I'm telling you guys right now, he'll cry every day. He has a bag over there.
- [57:10]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I. I have a bag almost every day.
- [57:12]
Sal DeStefano
Do you really?
- [57:13]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, no, it's such a great easy snack. That's high protein. Yeah. When can you eat. Like I said, when can you eat a salty, chippy like snack and get 20 something grams? I know other brands have come out with like protein chips, but they're not as high of protein as that. Yeah, they're not as high and they're nowhere near as good either.
- [57:31]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. How it like tastes like that and it's like light and crunchy.
- [57:34]
Sal DeStefano
You know what? I saw a video. Just made me think of, have you guys ever done this? Maybe. Justin, you have. You did the most construction and you guys eat the most crap.
- [57:42]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Did you do the most construction?
- [57:43]
Sal DeStefano
You did more than us.
- [57:44]
Adam Schafer
I did a lot.
- [57:44]
Sal DeStefano
But yeah. Yeah, bro.
- [57:45]
Adam Schafer
I mean, pretty much like every job I had until college, I started waiting tables.
- [57:51]
Sal DeStefano
I did. I did it for. I did it when I was like a teenager in the summers with my dad.
- [57:55]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, that's. I did for a few years like that.
- [57:56]
Sal DeStefano
But I saw a guy on social. Is this a thing where you buy a bag of chips, then you open the bag and then you go to like 711 and you put the.
- [58:04]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, that's high school, dude. Kids have been doing that. High school.
- [58:07]
Sal DeStefano
Really?
- [58:07]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, yeah, kids, you know, they do. They get cheese and they get Fire Cheetos and pour the nacho cheese over the top. We did a lot.
- [58:16]
Adam Schafer
Like, we'd mix all the different Slurpees.
- [58:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, that's our era. Our era is 711 mix 3 or 4 slurpees. The next generation coming up in high school, that was like a thing where you get fire. When Fire Cheetos. Remember when Fire Cheetos became popular, we were already kind of on our way out of high school.
- [58:30]
Sal DeStefano
What's in a Slurpee that keeps it. It. Not because you've. I've had ices or shaved ice. It's not the same as a Slurpee.
- [58:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So shaved ice is an actual ice machine that's like.
- [58:40]
Sal DeStefano
Yes, I know that. But what's a Slurpee? Because it's still ice, right?
- [58:44]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. I don't know. They used to be mixed, though, so.
- [58:46]
Justin Andrews
Yeah, it's kind of like when you get a. Like a. What is it, like a frozen drink at a bar. Yeah, they have a thing that keeps
- [58:51]
Sal DeStefano
like a margarita, but it stays like that.
- [58:54]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, well, because it's moving, it doesn't. It doesn't let it freeze. It stays really, really cold.
- [58:57]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. But I bet you. I see. Look at these.
- [58:59]
Adam Schafer
You keep it kind of liquidy by just a syrup.
- [59:01]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Is this syrup? Oh, yeah, it's just a syrup over ice.
- [59:04]
Sal DeStefano
Because you know what they do sometimes? Like. Like the ice cream, this. The soft serve. There's chemicals in there. Yeah.
- [59:08]
Adam Schafer
Who knows? They probably have that, bro. I mean, it's 7 11.
- [59:11]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, I guess you're right.
- [59:13]
Adam Schafer
It wouldn't surprise me.
- [59:14]
Sal DeStefano
That's all it is. Oh, well, there you go. They use yucca and. What is that? Extracts for foam stability. Let's see. That's what. See, something makes it stable.
- [59:24]
Adam Schafer
Yucca and kuilija.
- [59:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I thought it just keeps it moving and that's what keeps it from freezing. But it's. And it's kept at a very cold temperature inside there.
- [59:33]
Adam Schafer
What plant does those come from? Yeah,
- [59:37]
Justin Andrews
is a plant.
- [59:38]
Sal DeStefano
That is a real. Were you.
- [59:39]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Were you big on Slurpees at one point? I was a big Slurpee kid.
- [59:42]
Sal DeStefano
Really?
- [59:42]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Yeah. 711 was right by my house, and we used to do that. Do what? Justin said.
- [59:46]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, we ride our bikes over there and. And we do the.
- [59:49]
Sal DeStefano
I was Weird. I wasn't like, I would eat it. I mean, you gave me a Slurpee. I'd have it.
- [59:52]
Adam Schafer
Slurpee suicides.
- [59:53]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You were too busy reading the encyclopedia.
- [59:55]
Sal DeStefano
No, no, I like, liked, like weird snacks. Like, I like Cheetos, cheese puffs. I liked.
- [60:01]
Adam Schafer
You like those circus peanuts.
- [60:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You know what I like that was weird that nobody likes. I don't think any. I don't ever see anybody eat. But I loved was Funyuns.
- [60:09]
Sal DeStefano
I used to crush.
- [60:10]
Adam Schafer
I love Funyuns.
- [60:11]
Sal DeStefano
You know why I stopped eating them, though? Make your breast smell. Yep. So you're in junior high and you're trying to talk to a girl. You just had fun.
- [60:16]
Adam Schafer
I hate those. I hate corn nuts.
- [60:18]
Sal DeStefano
Love corn nuts.
- [60:19]
Adam Schafer
The one kid that would always come with corn nuts. The whole room stink, dude.
- [60:22]
Sal DeStefano
They're delicious.
- [60:23]
Adam Schafer
Immediately. I like.
- [60:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You don't like corn nuts, huh? I love is. I love that. There's something satisfying about the crunch of those too.
- [60:29]
Sal DeStefano
Well, I'm outnumbered here.
- [60:31]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Someone needs to make high protein corn nuts.
- [60:33]
Sal DeStefano
You were the guy that puts spray cheese on crackers, dude. Yeah. Okay.
- [60:37]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Cheese whis.
- [60:38]
Adam Schafer
String cheese.
- [60:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
He's a big cheese whiz.
- [60:39]
Adam Schafer
I would always bring. And everybody tries to steal my string cheese. Dude, like, explain that.
- [60:45]
Sal DeStefano
Hey, there's a little trauma back there.
- [60:46]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, yeah, there was a little trauma. I come with two and only part of the one.
- [60:50]
Sal DeStefano
I'm like, who's so much string cheese?
- [60:52]
Adam Schafer
I think it was a joke, you know, amongst like, my other friends. Like, somebody would always try and steal my.
- [60:57]
Sal DeStefano
Did you bite the string cheese or peel it?
- [60:59]
Adam Schafer
I peel it. Dude, why would you. What's the point of this string cheese?
- [61:02]
Sal DeStefano
I know. So did you.
- [61:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Did you guys have braces as kids?
- [61:04]
Sal DeStefano
No, I didn't.
- [61:05]
Adam Schafer
I never did. What's funny about that?
- [61:07]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Did you, Doug?
- [61:07]
Sal DeStefano
No. My parents asked me, like, they didn't invent braces back.
- [61:10]
Adam Schafer
Yeah. Like I had a crooked teeth.
- [61:12]
Sal DeStefano
All that.
- [61:12]
Adam Schafer
And they're like, oh, do you want to fix that?
- [61:14]
Sal DeStefano
Or like.
- [61:15]
Adam Schafer
I'm like, well, I don't know. I think I'm like, I was just trying to be like, well, I'm cool. You know, I'll deal with it. Kind of think, oh, good, Great, great, fine. I just saved them a ton of money. Yeah, that's really what it amounted to.
- [61:27]
Caller Evan
It.
- [61:28]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's really pricey now. Why would you ask? I mean, it was pricey when we were kids, but it's like gone crazy.
- [61:32]
Sal DeStefano
I think it generally around $7,000.
- [61:35]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
No. Yeah, it was like a thousand something
- [61:37]
Sal DeStefano
when we were Kids. My daughter had to have. She had a lot of stuff happen. We did the, the pallet spreading, like the whole deal. But they don't do headgear anymore, I don't think I haven't.
- [61:45]
Adam Schafer
They don't do that much anymore.
- [61:46]
T-Mobile Representative
I haven't seen it.
- [61:47]
Sal DeStefano
But no, they're better. They do something else. But headgear was bro.
- [61:51]
Adam Schafer
You see a kid, remember the kid? Hey, it was rough.
- [61:54]
Justin Andrews
So I got the low down on ices here for you.
- [61:57]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Okay.
- [61:57]
Justin Andrews
So we got flavored syrup, water, CO2 in a specialized pressurized machine. So the machine continuously churns and freezes the liquid to create a fluffy carbonated, semi solid slurry.
- [62:09]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's the CO2 and the moving of it.
- [62:11]
Sal DeStefano
That's what it is.
- [62:13]
Adam Schafer
Can you do like a nitro infused version of that?
- [62:16]
Sal DeStefano
You may be able to. Justin.
- [62:18]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, that's. Is that what.
- [62:19]
Adam Schafer
That's kind of what it is.
- [62:20]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, I think that's kind of what it is.
- [62:21]
Adam Schafer
Okay.
- [62:22]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, I, I like chicken coffee icy.
- [62:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Sounds kind of good actually.
- [62:25]
Sal DeStefano
Then you're saying that chicken and a biscuit crackers for me.
- [62:27]
Adam Schafer
Hold that thought.
- [62:28]
Sal DeStefano
Best. Nobody eats those, dude. Chicken and a biscuit. I don't even think they made.
- [62:32]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yes, they're still around.
- [62:33]
Sal DeStefano
Those were the best, bro. Crackers that taste like chicken soup.
- [62:35]
Adam Schafer
That's also one of those things. It's weird. It's like, was it ramen that. That was like shrimp flavor and you're like, like, why is it. Yeah, like where.
- [62:44]
Sal DeStefano
How did you eat dry ramen? Did you ever eat dry ramen and pour the, pour the stuff on it?
- [62:48]
Adam Schafer
Probably in college. Yeah, I ate a lot of like, what is that? That cheese that comes out of the can?
- [62:53]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Cheese whiz cheese.
- [62:54]
Adam Schafer
Yeah, Easy cheese.
- [62:55]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Oh, easy cheese.
- [62:58]
Sal DeStefano
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- [63:37]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Jennifer from Tennessee.
- [63:40]
Sal DeStefano
Hi, Jennifer. How you doing, Jennifer?
- [63:42]
Caller Jennifer
Hey, guys, thanks for having me on.
- [63:44]
Sal DeStefano
You got it. How can we help you so first
- [63:46]
Caller Jennifer
of all, I know this is total first world problems and totally insane vanity, but I've heard you guys address a few things that are similar to what I have going on, but nothing exactly like me. I have been following your show for a while. I have a couple of your programs. I would be what I guess considered pear shape. So I show. Sorry, dog. I have. It's very easy for me to show all sorts of muscles in my upper half, but I cannot get definition in my lower half to save my ever loving life. A little bit of backstory I've worked out since I'm a little hyper, a lot hyper. So exercise was like a way to medicate myself, like throughout my entire, like, whatever, junior high, high school, and adult life. And I did it the 90s way, right, which is the cardio. And I swam through high school and then I did rowing. So it was. There was some lifting involved. But I'm very strong naturally. And that's not. That hasn't been cool. And except for maybe the last five years. So I hid from that, right? I was like, give me the five and ten pounds, because that's what girls are supposed to do. Last five years, I've been really up in the lifting. I don't know what my maxes are because I'm afraid to max out. But with you guys following your map synabolic last fall and now I'm on Muscle Mommy. I've been just. Every time I lift, I'm just trying to add a couple pounds. So how does somebody who has a pretty good background in exercise. I used to own a yoga and Pilates studio here in town. I did a lot of that. I still do a little bit of Pilates. I have a reformer and chair and stuff here at home. Not too much. I'm following muscle maps. Muscle mommy phase two, right now, 15 of like, those reps can be exhausting. Y' all love the shoulder work. I've noticed that. But how do I modify it? I heard you guys talk about this with one fella because he had big legs. He. He reduced the volume on the legs and increased it on the upper body. How do you modify your programs to do. Is it more volume on the legs to get definition?
- [66:01]
Sal DeStefano
It's not to get more definition, but to build more muscle. So there's a couple ways that you can get more definition in an area. One is to get it leaner, and one is to develop the muscle underneath more. Now you look like you're pretty lean just from looking at you. What's your body Fat percentage.
- [66:19]
Caller Jennifer
The HUME scale, y' all are not gonna like it. It's at 17%. 17.3.
- [66:25]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I would have guessed.
- [66:27]
Sal DeStefano
I would have guessed by just looking at you, I could tell that you're in the teens. I don't think it's a good idea to try to get leaner. I don't think. Yeah, you won't feel good. It'll throw your hormones off. It's just not good. What you want to do is just focus on building the lower body a little more to get the shape that you're looking for. And the way to do that is to take volume away from upper body training and transfer it to lower body training. The other option is this. And this very well may be the case. You might be just a little bit skewed on how you're judging the way you look.
- [67:05]
Caller Jennifer
Yes, the Hume scale has helped a lot with that. It was a Christmas present to myself. And when I saw, you know, the body fat percentages and different various body parts, I was like, oh, that's shocking. The Hume scale has helped some of that body dysmorphia, for sure. However, when you're sitting there and if I take my sweater off and you can see all the muscles and there's, like, veins showing if I lift anything, which dudes think is cool, it's not so cool for women. I don't have any of that in the legs. Not that I want to have the veins showing, but I would like there to be evidence of the fact that I exercise, like when I wear shorts, and you don't see that necessarily.
- [67:45]
Sal DeStefano
I'm going to bet. I would bet my house that you're. That you look very developed and muscular in the lower body. If you have veins in the upper body, you get leaner, it's going to get worse.
- [67:56]
Caller Jennifer
I don't want to get. I've been bulking because of you guys. I've been bulking since January. I don't follow. I used to coach for an Indian company, and they were really big on the macros and all that kind of stuff, and it was too low for me. I know very well if I get below 2,000 calories, I will eat you. So I eat between 2,500 and 3,000 calories a day. It just depends if my daughter makes cookies. We're really clean eaters. We, you know, I've got 20, 37, like, meat chickens in my basement right now, so we butcher our own stuff. So we're really clean eaters. And I eat a lot, so it's Hard for me to. I don't know exactly how much more to add.
- [68:41]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Tell me a little bit about your squat, your deadlift. When you do train legs, like, what are you working out with?
- [68:48]
Caller Jennifer
So I. Again, so in my. In my email, I have a tear in my right labrum on my hip and my left shoulder labrum. So I'm a little scared of lifting heavy. I went to a PT when I started maps and had her watch me. So I basically started at zero back in November. Excuse me, November. And now, you know, with the map Santabolic, I guess I got up to like 85. And I just kind of got scared with the squat, with the deadlifts. I just did the Romanians today. We did 15 at what, like 115 or something?
- [69:25]
Sal DeStefano
Jennifer, I don't. Not that I need to know the answer to this. I already know what's happening here, but how tall are you and what's your body weight?
- [69:32]
Caller Jennifer
I am 5, 6, and 3/4. The 3/4 count, and I weigh about. I oscillate between 150 and 155 right now.
- [69:42]
Sal DeStefano
So you're 155, 17% body fat. You've had two injuries. I see you did crossfit. I see you owned a Pilates studio. You're on maybe. Doug, scroll down a little bit for me. You're taking. You're on bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. You're taking Tessa, Marilyn, IPomerlin, NAD, Glutathione, BPC, TB500, microdosing, GLP1. I'm gonna tell you something right now. I know what the issue is.
- [70:08]
Caller Jennifer
What is the issue?
- [70:10]
Sal DeStefano
You're seeing yourself very skewed, honey. There is no answer to this other than stop focusing so much on the details that you think are not looking the way you want. And that might not be the answer you want, but that's the right answer because, okay, you've got a lot of muscle. You're lean. You're leaner than probably is good. I think you probably should gain some body fat. But that sounds probably like nails on a chalkboard to someone like you. You're eating a lot. You eat healthy, you eat high protein. I. That's. There's nothing you would do more. The only thing I would do, like, if I was your trainer, I would focus on correctional exercise so that you felt more comfortable with heavier movements.
- [70:50]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Maybe build your confidence in the. In the lifting, heavier support system.
- [70:54]
Sal DeStefano
Split stance exercises would be good. Hip thrusts would be good for you. Trap bar deadlifts might be better than a straight bar. Deadlift for you.
- [71:00]
Adam Schafer
Stick with unilateral for a while.
- [71:02]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, unilateral. So like, map symmetry would probably be good for you, but that was going
- [71:06]
Caller Jennifer
to be what I thought next.
- [71:07]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that would be good for you, but there's nothing. Like there's. I bet if you sent us pictures, not that you need to, but I bet you I would probably laugh and be like, I think, yeah, you're really hard on yourself. I bet your husband tells you that and your friends probably tell you that too.
- [71:22]
Caller Jennifer
I know he, My husband doesn't care. He said my butt was shrinking since doing maps. Anabolic. He's like, stop. It doesn't. Because I'm whatever. Hourglass, whatever. Four Perry shape.
- [71:36]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I think, I think you're. I think you're really tearing yourself down, hun. I mean, I could, I mean, yeah, you could add more volume to lower body, reduce volume, upper body, continue to surplus.
- [71:47]
Caller Jennifer
What does that look like though, when you say reduce volume like in the maps program?
- [71:52]
Sal DeStefano
Same exercises. So like, like you're following muscle Mommy, right? You would take one or two sets away from the upper body stuff and then add them to the lower body stuff. And you don't need to change the programming.
- [72:01]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
So probably something like, like chest and shoulders since you recognize that that's an area that you, you're not as focused on. So take, you know, two sets from chest, two sets from shoulders, four sets to lower body stuff and then you have four sets towards a lower body exercise.
- [72:15]
Caller Jennifer
So just add in another lower body to the maps.
- [72:18]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, another set.
- [72:19]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Just another set you can do same exercises, just added an extra set.
- [72:22]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, so let's say like it says hip thrust for three sets. Now you can do five sets because you took two away from upper body, right? Yeah.
- [72:29]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [72:29]
Caller Jennifer
Okay. Okay. I haven't done five. I usually stop at three, sometimes four because I was. Whatever, 90s girl.
- [72:37]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. No, so that's it. So you would just trade volume is what you're doing. You can even skip, you know, if you, if your shoulders get really developed and upper body, you could even train them every other week and not have to train them weekly and take that extra work and put it towards the sets on your lower body. Yep.
- [72:55]
Caller Jennifer
Okay, I'll try it.
- [72:58]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, give it a shot. But I know that's not what you want to hear because I know, I
- [73:01]
Caller Jennifer
kind of figured that because you guys always harp on women shouldn't get below 20. And I've been up. When I was having babies, I didn't focus on I just ate, you know, I was making a kidney. So if mama wants golden grams, Mom's eating golden Grams. And so, you know, I've gotten above it. But even after, and I weighed whatever, I gained like 100 pounds between both my babies. And so I feel like there's a healthy relationship with food. That's not the issue. I just don't. I can tell a difference when I'm over 20. I got the pouch, and instead of seeing muscles, you see the parade wave, you know what I mean?
- [73:38]
Sal DeStefano
I'm not too worried about your body fat percentage because of how much food you said you're eating. You may be one of those athletically, genetically gifted women, which it sounds like you are, where you probably were always stronger. You probably built muscle easier than most people around you. And some women can eat a lot and weight train and walk around, you know, 18% body fat and not really have hormone issues or anything like that. It's not common. But if you were telling me that you were eating, you know, 1800 calories a day, I'd be like, you gotta bump. You gotta bump that up. But it sounds to me like if what you're telling me is true, which I think it is, that you're eating, like plenty of food, I'm not worried about that. But I definitely think that you're breaking yourself down. Like, you're probably looking at yourself in the mirror and finding the little areas that you think need to look different. And that's messing up this whole experience.
- [74:30]
Caller Jennifer
Maybe. But like, when my calves are bigger than my husband's, like, I got 16 inch calves, guys.
- [74:35]
Sal DeStefano
And like my wife's calves are bigger than mine too.
- [74:40]
Caller Jennifer
Whatever. What is it? I'm. My thighs are maybe like, they go between 23 and 25. Those are some big legs. And I want to be able to see the muscles. Like I can see in my arm if I'm just moving, you can see shoulder muscles, right? And it's like, I would like to see there's a quadricep muscle that goes up my thigh. I would like to see that. It's vanity, total first world problem. But if I'm working out and following your protocol the three days a week, I'm not doing more. I get my 10,000 plus steps a day because I am hyper. Like, I would like to see evidence,
- [75:10]
Sal DeStefano
especially every woman's going to be like that. You're always going to be harder to see. Just get a woman to see striations or quad definition. The lower body. Yeah, is. Is like you're getting really lean.
- [75:23]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yes.
- [75:24]
Sal DeStefano
You know, that's just the way it is. Yeah. But I bet you if you were standing with shorts on, I bet we would see very clearly from the front. Oh, there's your quads. You probably have a nice hamstring bump in the back. Yeah, you do. Get your husband on here. Let me ask him what he thinks.
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Caller Jennifer
He's not.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, it's. Jennifer, it's really easy math for us. Like when you take somebody who's 17 to 19, body fat. That's why Sal asked you how much you weighed is you got a lot of lean body quickly. And then you're also saying how lean here. If you're showing veins in your upper body, you've got a lot of muscle in your legs. Yeah, you've got a lot of muscle in your legs and that. It's just. And you may not see it that way or think that way. And everybody carries a lot of body fat in their lower legs, some more than others.
- [76:13]
Sal DeStefano
But that's especially women.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I don't see. I don't see quad separation until I'm getting ready for stage. I mean, I just, I don't. But there's shape to it, you know, and it's. And it's covered with body fat. I know it is. That's where most people carry a lot of their body fat is hips and legs and especially women. But you've got a lot of muscle on your body and you're lean. I mean, you're really lean. So going down just to see separation in the legs would require us to hit an unhealthy place of body fat percentage.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. You have to get down to 15. Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. You don't want to, you don't want to do that. You're already on the, on the leaner side. So you, you're better off.
- [76:46]
Sal DeStefano
Just keep focusing on trying to build and place a little emphasis on the lower body. If, if that's really. Again, if that's really the case, up
- [76:55]
Adam Schafer
and get strong and feel comfortable and confident that you can lift a little bit heavier and that's going to help move the needle in that direction you want.
- [77:02]
Sal DeStefano
Anyways, let me encourage you, Jennifer. You've been doing this for a while. You're in the same age range as us. I can see that you're healthy, you've got a lot of energy. If I put you next to women your age, there's probably a dramatic difference in both energy function and the way you look. You're being real hard on yourself. You're crushing it. You're eating a lot, you got a fast metabolism, you're working out, you're active. Like, you're totally killing it. And there's definitely a thing. There's a. But for real, there's a thing as people ruining the experience of this amazing thing that you've accomplished and continue to accomplish by breaking themselves down in the mirror by looking and saying, I want this little piece here, and I want a little more of that. And I feel like I don't look like I work out. Even though everyone around you is like, man, you look like you work out. Not that it matters what they think. What matters is what you think. And it'll ruin the experience for you because you're on your path if you stay the course, man, you're on this incredible path, and you're going to continue to separate yourself from your peers, which you're already already. Like I said, you know this. Go walk around a bunch of women your age, and it's very different. You know how that's going to be when you're. Yeah, you wait till you're 57, 67, 77. It's going to be like you're in a different universe. You're doing such a good job, and I don't think you're celebrating it the way that you should. And so that changes the experience of the whole thing, and it makes it less enjoyable and more stressful.
- [78:27]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, we're in the long game now at this point. It's like, maintain this and continue this on. Like Sal's saying, getting obsessed with it or forcing your body to go a certain direction. This is where the injury comes. This is where the injury happens or the setbacks come. Like, you're. You're in such a good place. Such a great place. Stay there, Jennifer.
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Caller Jennifer
Thanks. I will try the. Changing the question. I didn't know. Changing. Adding some more volume. I'm. I'm not gonna. I don't. I don't want to lose weight. I've given up, like 150. 155 is good. 160. I don't even care. But I would just like to. I want. If a bad guy's coming down the road and I've got my kids with me, I want him to be afraid that I kick him. I'll kick him into next week. You know what I mean?
- [79:11]
Sal DeStefano
Just get a gun.
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Caller Jennifer
We're in Tennessee. We have those, too.
- [79:16]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, you're good, dude. You're doing great. You're doing really good.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
We'll have. We'll have Doug Send over map symmetry. So you got that next to follow. I think that'll be a good program for you.
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Caller Jennifer
That's the one that's left and right. Right. The bilateral.
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Caller Roger
Correct. Yeah.
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Sal DeStefano
Unilateral.
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Caller Jennifer
Unilateral.
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Adam Schafer
Stainless. Few phases. Yeah, totally. Don't do the last phase for a while.
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Caller Jennifer
Don't do the last phase. Okay. And that will help me to get the. The confidence and the squat.
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Sal DeStefano
Yes, yes. Yes, it will. Especially with the injuries that you've had. Yeah.
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Adam Schafer
It'll build up that support system for you.
- [79:47]
Sal DeStefano
Yep.
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Caller Jennifer
Awesome. Thank you, guys. I appreciate your time.
- [79:50]
Sal DeStefano
Thank you, Jennifer.
- [79:52]
Caller Jennifer
Y' all have a good one.
- [79:55]
Sal DeStefano
She. Did she hear anything?
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I wish we had. I wish we had a picture so we could see, but, I mean, obviously,
- [80:02]
Sal DeStefano
I don't need to see a picture.
- [80:03]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [80:03]
Sal DeStefano
I can see her neck. I can see how her delts look through her sweater.
- [80:06]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, if her numbers are on point, the numbers that she's giving me, she's actually like. Like, she's jacked.
- [80:12]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Dude.
- [80:13]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
She's not just, like, kind of fit. She's, like, got a really fit. Yeah, really fit.
- [80:16]
Sal DeStefano
You're not.
- [80:17]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You're not 17, body fat. 150, 160 pounds at her height. Yeah. And then. And complaining about your vascularity and your upper body and not have.
- [80:26]
Sal DeStefano
It's one. Listen. It's. This is tough. It's really tough because. And she don't want to hear it. And she don't want to hear it because she probably hears people tell her all the time how great she looks, and she's like, no, I don't. It ruins this incredible experience. Not that you got to sit there and celebrate how great you are, but it's like, you can't enjoy it.
- [80:43]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Not only that, Sal, but the. The myth that a lot of people fall for. They don't know until they ever reach that point that it's. It's like the money thing. Oh, I'll be happy when I make this much money. I'll be happy when I get to the. It's an illusion. And then you get there and you pick yourself apart the same way. It's. Well, it's literally the thing that motivates 90 of these competitors is that they're. They still obsess even after they get.
- [81:10]
Sal DeStefano
I know.
- [81:11]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Present. The most perfect physique on stage. They are continually focused on all the flaws, and that's what they keep. It's like, you know, it's gonna happen years later.
- [81:20]
Adam Schafer
She looks back at the picture.
- [81:21]
Sal DeStefano
That's. Oh, my God.
- [81:22]
Adam Schafer
I Wish I was like this.
- [81:23]
Sal DeStefano
Exactly what I was gonna say. She's gonna look at herself in 10 years. Look at picture like, man, I looked. What was, what was I thinking? Yeah, I looked amazing.
- [81:31]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Roger from California.
- [81:33]
Sal DeStefano
What's up Roger?
- [81:34]
Adam Schafer
What's happening?
- [81:35]
Caller Roger
How's it going, gentlemen? Thanks for having me.
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Sal DeStefano
Good. How can we help you, man?
- [81:39]
Caller Roger
So I emailed. I've got a, probably a pretty unique situation here. So my son and I, right around that Christmas we purchased the Maps 15 power lift. So little background on my son. He's a baseball player. He's eighth grade, going into his freshman year in high school next year. He's pretty kind of small by nature. He just hasn't hit that puberty yet. So he's about 5, 5, 110 pounds after a good meal. And so we started doing this in an effort to kind of lift more but not kind of over train with baseball practices and kind of the other things he's got going on. So we got about three weeks into the program. He was, we were in kind of like the deadlift phase, I guess is looking back on it. And his deadlift was up. He's deadlifting about 230. At the time it increased strength by 10%. I saw my lifts go, go kind of up in ways I hadn't seen before. So we kind of knew that the program was, was really working for us and for him. And it was cool doing it with him as a dad and a son kind of side by side. So the story takes a weird turn. Here is he was at a baseball practice one morning and during a drill, it wasn't during batting practice, so he didn't have a helmet on, but a ball that essentially wasn't supposed to be thrown ended up going in his way, hit him in the side of the head. And by that was at 10 in the morning. By 4 o' clock that afternoon, we're in emergency kind of brain surgery. He had what was called a cranial hematoma. So it wasn't actually his brain bleeding, but it was a small artery that was punctured by the fracture. So four hour surgery came out of it. Everything was good. But he's obviously, this was about two and a half months ago, so obviously has some healing to kind of go through which puts the lifting and all of that obviously on the back burner. So kind of at the point we're at now, reason I had reached out to you guys is I had a good friend at our church. It's funny, he's A good friend. Now, at the time, I did not know the gentleman, and he had came over and just randomly started talking, mentioned your podcast, which is where kind of all this kind of comes together. And so after watching my son kind of go through the workout stage and all that working and now kind of hit a. Hit a little bump in the road, I kind of wanted to reach out to you guys and just get a feel for kind of he's. So now we're looking about three months before high school preseason kind of camp starts and kind of reaching out to you guys to see what kind of program you would recommend him getting into full clearance from the doctors. Now, we always say praise to God because brain is 100% healthy. There's zero lingering side effects. Nothing wrong with muscles or anything like that.
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Caller Evan
He's.
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Caller Roger
He's got a full clearance from the doctor. The only thing we're waiting for now for getting back to actually baseball is for the fracture itself to heal. And then they had to take out a size of about his palm from his skull to let the bleeding kind of dissipate. And so now we gotta wait for that kind of to heal up. So he's about a month away from actually getting back on the field, but in terms of the weights and conditioning and all that, he's got a full green light to go. So I would just like to kind of reach out to you guys and say, you know, what would be your advice to him both for getting stronger, getting back into it, but also just the baseball atmosphere landscape does look for kids to be bigger and stronger. And so what he could do to kind of fight this little. Little by nature syndrome that he's got going right now.
- [85:43]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, man. Well, that's scary, dude. So glad to hear he's okay. So again, just to confirm, no movement issues, no speech issues, no nothing. It's all good. Just waiting for the complete healing. Okay.
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Caller Roger
That was the crazy thing is he had passed all PT and concussion tests two days after it.
- [86:01]
Sal DeStefano
So that's awesome, man. Thank God.
- [86:04]
Caller Roger
Protected in a mighty way.
- [86:06]
Sal DeStefano
That's awesome. So, okay, so just to encourage you, Roger, he'll gain back very quickly. The only way to mess this up is to go too hard too fast. Okay, so muscle. Muscle memory is radically effective and amazing, especially in kids. It's wild how kids can build back strength and mobility and function from having a cast on for six months or something like that. It's crazy. So it's just remarkable. The only thing you could do wrong is push too fast. So when he's Cleared. You go map starter after map starter. He'll probably be okay to get back into what he was doing. Map starter is going to feel easy. It's going to feel easy to him or whatever. And we're just gonna, we're just, we just want to just be, be careful back his stability build back stability straight. It'll come back real quick, dude. And then as far as like size and strength, it's the same thing we tell everybody. Make sure he eats enough. Eats high protein. With a kid his age, sleep is always a big challenge because they wanna stay up on their, on their devices or whatever. So it's like, nah, go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time every day. Don't do the thing where you go to bed super late Friday and you sleep in super late Saturday and you know, jet lag yourself on Monday type of deal. And that's pretty much it. Dude. There's really nothing, nothing crazy or crazy advice considering his healing is just, I,
- [87:28]
Adam Schafer
I'm honestly like there's two kind of levers to pull with this and there's intensity and there's volume and I would lean more towards the volume in the practice of the lifts. Mainly because of that intracranial pressure and just that intensity of him like squeezing and his output. I would be a little bit concerned with that. Just you know, to be on the cautious side and have him really kind of, you know, work through these movements, get that muscle contracting again and just kind of be in his body again for a bit. So to starter and then maybe even like moving into 15. 15?
- [88:06]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [88:07]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I go starter and then 15 after that. He'll be fine though by the time he gets to 15 because that starter's long enough that he's in, in intensity wise he should be okay. And then I just really prioritize kids. Probably the hardest thing I think for young kids is the diet.
- [88:21]
Sal DeStefano
Yep.
- [88:21]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Is consistently hitting protein, you know. And like I'm okay with you know, some, some junk calories or bad calories so long as we hit our protein first. And so that would be kind of the message I would be constantly drilling in is, you know, you can really
- [88:35]
Adam Schafer
focus on his food.
- [88:35]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not worried about eating, you know, extra stuff here and there because he's probably going to be burning a lot with everything he's doing. But what they tend to do is not hit protein and then over consume on sugar and other like that. That's just not going to help them build. And so keeping him consistent with that, that with all the stuff he's doing. Lifting wise and training like he'll build muscle but that, that's the part that they struggle, they struggle with consistently hitting their protein intake.
- [89:03]
Sal DeStefano
The game changer with teenagers is breakfast.
- [89:05]
Adam Schafer
Yes.
- [89:06]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Okay.
- [89:06]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah, that's the, that's the big hack, dude. It's like, yeah, you get, you get
- [89:09]
Adam Schafer
him to eat up that protein.
- [89:10]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. You get him to be like 30, 40 grams of protein. You know his size for, for breakfast. The rest is easy. He misses breakfast or skips breakfast or rushes out to go to school. Then it's a. And it's a, it's a. It's uphill battle. Breakfast is the key.
- [89:23]
Caller Roger
Yeah. Nutrition's been the big thing. He's not a, we'll say he's not
- [89:27]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
a big eater always.
- [89:29]
Caller Roger
He's, he's the one I have to remind to eat. And so. Yeah. What would you guys say if, if I was to give him a number calorie wise?
- [89:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I wouldn't focus on the calories. I'd focus on the protein.
- [89:40]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Have him hit 100, 120 grams of protein a day.
- [89:42]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Had him hit the, hit the protein and then let him eat whatever he wants on top of that. So it's like I don't give, I don't give a shit if he's having ice cream here and there. I don't care about the burgers and the fries. But hit his protein intake first. And the guys are right. Like what will, what will make it really difficult if he's a breakfast skipper or a bowl of cereal guy in the morning and he goes off because that's just a bunch of carbs and sugar and he's not getting high protein.
- [90:04]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. The quick breakfast stuff is. Yeah. Do you wake up with him and take him to school in the morning or is that mom who does that with him?
- [90:09]
Caller Roger
Yeah. So we homeschool. So I'm usually already out of the so which makes the sleep part easy because they kind of can work on their own schedule. So he's good about getting his eight to ten hours of sleep.
- [90:22]
Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Okay, so this is good. So cook breakfast and it's good family time too.
- [90:26]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, even if you don't cook, I don't know if you've hear me give the advice all the time. I love the cook a big dinner and then that breakfast is literally the leftovers with the 2, 3 eggs cracked over it. Like that's okay. That's a go to move. I'm sure most people are consistent with the dinner time, family dinner cooking or whatever like that. And if you have, you know, ground beef, steak, chicken, whatever it is, and rice, sweet potatoes, regular potato, just literally portion that out for the morning, reheat that, and throw two or three eggs on top of it, and you got yourself a 50 gram, you know, high protein, great breakfast for him. Starting that him off on the right track like that makes the rest of the day pretty easy.
- [91:06]
Caller Roger
Okay, awesome.
- [91:07]
Sal DeStefano
That's.
- [91:08]
Caller Roger
I mean, I'll share this with him because I know he needs to hear from somebody other than dad. He's probably heard the message from dad a little too often, so.
- [91:16]
Sal DeStefano
Of course.
- [91:17]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
And a good target for him is like 100, 150 pounds or 150 grams of protein is a good target.
- [91:22]
Sal DeStefano
If he falls that he's good.
- [91:24]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah. Shooting for 150. If he's shooting for 150 and he falls short to 110, he'll be 120, he'll be fine. But shoot for 1, 150 grams of protein will be a good target for him to go after.
- [91:36]
Sal DeStefano
Totally.
- [91:37]
Caller Roger
Okay, great. Thank you.
- [91:38]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Cool.
- [91:39]
Sal DeStefano
You got it, man. I'm gonna send you starter. Okay.
- [91:42]
Caller Roger
Thank you guys so much for what you do. We love listening to you guys, and it's. It's just great to be able to talk to you face to face and. And to share this with my son. And it's been a big kind of whirlwind of a last two months, so I bet kind of a cool step and just getting better.
- [91:59]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Well, love, I'd love to hear back after you guys go through this whole process. So let's. Let's hear if he sticks with it. Get email back in so we know how he's doing.
- [92:07]
Caller Roger
Awesome.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
All right, Roger.
- [92:09]
Sal DeStefano
Thanks, man. Oh, that's scary.
- [92:12]
Adam Schafer
That hits me a bit.
- [92:13]
Sal DeStefano
Oh, boy, that's scary. But thank God. I mean, full recovery, like, that's wonderful. But that is terrifying. Yeah, but yeah, with kids, it's breakfast.
- [92:20]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, yeah.
- [92:21]
Adam Schafer
Yeah.
- [92:21]
Sal DeStefano
It's like they don't want to eat in the morning.
- [92:22]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
I mean, that's everybody. But you're right.
- [92:24]
Sal DeStefano
Kids are kids especially. Yeah. They don't want to eat Skip or you have cereal. Yeah, dude. What we do at home now, we have a little bit of an advantage because we also homeschool, so we're not, like, rushed because that's when it gets real tough. And most schools start so damn early. I know that getting your kid up and then getting them to eat, it's like, oh, I don't want to eat
- [92:42]
Adam Schafer
right do that every day.
- [92:43]
Sal DeStefano
But with our, with the little one because my daughter's hard. So she's 16, she goes to high school. And so we've just, what I've done with her is I've gotten to the high protein yogurts and she'll throw granola in there and it's like a compromise. Right. But at least she's getting the protein.
- [92:54]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's not a bad compromise though. That's a solid. You get those ones with 15, 20 grams in it.
- [92:59]
Sal DeStefano
I get the 20. The 30 gram one.
- [93:01]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah.
- [93:01]
Sal DeStefano
Now it's in mean. It's, it's definitely better than nothing. And thank God my daughter's like, she's playing sports so she's all about it. But like with the little ones, breakfast is family time. And so it's like we got the break, we don't have to rush it. We're gonna sit together if I'm not there because I'm at work, my wife does it with them and you know, we, they, we make sure they get it. But that's the hack because you skip breakfast, you're trying to get. Yeah, you know, you're trying to get 120 grams of protein real difficult. Which doesn't sound like a ton, but if he misses breakfast now you got, what do you have 60 grams for lunch and dinner?
- [93:31]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Let's be honest, school lunch type settings is like a sandwich rich.
- [93:34]
Adam Schafer
It's not available.
- [93:34]
Sal DeStefano
It's like 10 grams of protein.
- [93:35]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [93:36]
Justin Andrews
Our next caller is Evan from Indiana.
- [93:39]
Sal DeStefano
What's up, Evan?
- [93:40]
Adam Schafer
What's happening?
- [93:41]
Caller Evan
Hey, how's it going?
- [93:42]
Sal DeStefano
Good, dude, how you doing?
- [93:43]
Caller Evan
Doing all right, I'll just get into my question then. So I've got like a lingering question about nutritions. I have been vegan for six years and my question mainly is around like nutrition regarding protein, I guess specifically what I understand to be like complete and incomplete, like protein sources from plant based foods. So you know, for reference, I'll try to hit 210 grams of protein per day and I'm pretty consistent with that. It's not too big a deal. But while I'm tracking that, you know, for example, if I eat bowl of rice and beans and then protein on top of that, the rice and the beans have protein in it that counts towards the total, that kind of thing. And so my question is like, you know, how much does it matter that the protein source that I'm eating has is like a complete protein or not to hit that target?
- [94:45]
Sal DeStefano
Good question, dude. Yeah, I have some more questions for you. Sure. Do you supplement, do you take any supplements?
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Caller Evan
I take protein powder to help out with that. Usually like one in the morning. Some of the foods that I make will have like protein powder included in them, both to complement the amino acid profile, but also just bump the protein of whatever I'm making. Aside from that, I'll take creatine and then just vitamins and stuff.
- [95:13]
Sal DeStefano
What kind of vitamins are you taking?
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Caller Evan
Multi, B12, Omega 3EA, I think so.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
A little bit.
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Caller Evan
I think it has DHA and the other one.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay, good, good, good. And you said you're hitting about 210 grams of total protein a day and how much you weigh?
- [95:36]
Caller Evan
Right now I'm about 192.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay. So protein quality matters more when you're low, when the protein is below a certain threshold, you're probably beyond that threshold, so you're okay. In other words, the total amino acids you're consuming are okay. Now you could try getting up to 230, 240 grams of protein to see if you notice a difference. But if the protein is high, then what we start to see with protein quality is it doesn't make that big of a difference anymore. Now if your protein is like 150, then it definitely makes a difference. The only caveat is sometimes really high intake of, of vegan proteins because they tend to come along with fiber and other things and just quantity is. Sometimes people see gastric distress. But if your digestion's okay, then you're probably okay. And you could try bumping it to see if you notice a difference. And what you'll notice is like, more strength, better recovery type of deal. But I do have some other questions around diet, if that's okay.
- [96:44]
Caller Evan
Sure.
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Sal DeStefano
So what is your. What's the reason for going vegan? Is this a moral thing for you? Like because you don't want animals to be hurt type of deal, or.
- [96:54]
Caller Evan
Yeah, basically.
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Sal DeStefano
Okay, that's good. That's fine. Totally fine. If you were doing it for health. If you're like, hey, I want to do it for health or whatever, then we would talk a little bit about the value of eating meat. So meat is off the table for you, or what about eggs? Are eggs off the table?
- [97:09]
Caller Evan
Off the table. Strictly vegan?
- [97:10]
Sal DeStefano
Strictly. Okay, we're fine. Then you could bump your protein and I would. I don't know. How many grams of creatine do you take a day?
- [97:17]
Caller Evan
Five. I was taking 10, but when I did that in one dose, I noticed it hurt my stomach, so bumped it down to five.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You just Break it up throughout the day.
- [97:26]
Sal DeStefano
I would take 15 grams of creatine a day, but I'd take five threes with breakfast, five with lunch, five with dinner. Yeah, my vegan clients got remarkable benefits from taking 10 to 15 grams of creatine. But you gotta divide it up all at once and you'll get gastric distress. A lot of people.
- [97:44]
Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
But he's. If you're. If you're hitting that. That number with eaas, you're gonna be. He's gonna be fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you don't. If you're not consistently taking EAAs, consistently take EAAs with your meals. You could try that and that'll help.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah. Some capsules, like Kion makes a really good essential amino acid supplement that's also vegan. And what you would do is you would add, like, five capsules per meal, which essentially boosts the. What they would label as the protein, you know, quality, essentially. And you could try that as well. I've had, you know, clients do that who are vegan, who also got good results from that. What are your total calories at?
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Caller Evan
Right now? I'm sitting around 3, 400.
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Sal DeStefano
Wow. Oh, yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You're doing good, dude.
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Sal DeStefano
You're doing all right. And how's your strength training?
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Caller Evan
It's going pretty good. I've been doing the 15 advanced. Just starting another round of that after taking a week off.
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Adam Schafer
Perfect.
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Caller Evan
After finishing the last. And it's been going great. I think it started. I've tracked on and off just because of consistency in life and all that stuff for the past few years. And I started, I think, around 2700, just because that's been a starting point for me in the past. And I went to 3100 and then been sitting at 3400 for, I don't know, probably.
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Sal DeStefano
Good job.
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Caller Evan
Six weeks now.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
That's solid.
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Sal DeStefano
And then you get things like iron tested.
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Caller Evan
Yeah, blood works. All good.
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Sal DeStefano
Beautiful. And then with your B vitamins, something you might want to try are methylated B vitamins. Sometimes people in general do better with the methylated version.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
It's a brand that carries that.
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Sal DeStefano
I mean, I don't know, a good brand. I mean, you could just look it up. You just look up methylated B complex. I had a vegan client once where we were. She kind of had low energy, but everything else looked good. Couldn't really figure it out. She was taking B vitamins. We switched to methylated B and it was like a light switch. So just something you can experiment with. They're inexpensive. If you're already taking B vitamins. You could just go methylated and see if you notice a difference, but otherwise, you're doing everything. Great, dude. Yeah.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
How long you been following math programs? Are you. Have you been doing them for a while or just get started on them?
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Caller Evan
Off and on for most of the time that I've been consistently strength training. I did anabolic back in, I think, 23. And then, you know, we had our son in early 24, so it's been hard to be consistent with that, which is what's nice about the 15 program.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Oh, cool.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, cool. Yeah. Otherwise you're doing good, bro.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, doing real good.
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Caller Evan
Well, cool. I appreciate it.
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Sal DeStefano
Hey, can I send you a program you're following? 15. Do you have the other 15, another version?
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Caller Evan
No, just the advanced. The regular, like 15 and 15 advanced.
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Sal DeStefano
What do you want? You want 15 power lift? We have 15 performance.
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Caller Evan
I saw. Actually, I've been. I was thinking about, like, you know, something related to symmetry, and I went on your website, and I saw that there's a 15 symmetry.
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Sal DeStefano
I'll send that to you, bro.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Yeah, we'll send it over.
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Sal DeStefano
Got it.
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Caller Evan
Oh, well, cool. Appreciate it.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, you got it, man. Thanks.
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Caller Evan
Awesome. Thanks, guys.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
Take it easy, man.
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Sal DeStefano
I had a client once.
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Guest or Co-host (possibly Adam or Sal alternate)
You're doing good, dude.
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Sal DeStefano
Yeah, I know. Yeah. So my vegan clients were challenging because of. And he's doing it, but it was challenging. And enough protein without getting so much other stuff. Yeah, totally. And then we would supplement.
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Adam Schafer
Yeah, he's definitely supplementing.
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Sal DeStefano
So all my. Yeah, because nutrient deficiencies tend to be higher in. When you have comparable balanced diets, in vegan diets. So we would do multivitamin because. And I had this one woman, and I'll never forget. And there's only one. Because I had other vegan clients. And when they did, when they followed the protocols, everybody turned out okay. But there's one woman I had. I'll never forget. We did everything, bro. We did everything. We had the supplements. She was taking the creatine. She was hitting protein using protein powder. And she just had this lingering, like, low energy. She'd have these kind of symptoms that look like nutrient. If Couldn't figure it out. And convinced. Finally, me and a functional medicine practitioner convinced her to eat eggs. And it was like, cholesterol, you think? I think it was. It had to be either the choline or something. And this is my guess. And I've heard of other cases like this from functional medicine practitioners where they're like, look, I've had some vegan Clients where we had to sit down and say, you got to throw in. Yeah, some meat.
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Adam Schafer
Eggs is usually like a gateway, bro.
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Sal DeStefano
It was, it was like night and day, dude. She started eating eggs and it was like, I gave her steroids. It was like, boom. She's like, oh my God, I feel so good. I'm like. And the conversation, the conversation was like this, dude. Because she was very much about animal welfare, which that's the only vegans that stick to it, by the way. That's why I asked him. And I said to her, I said, look, I know this is real important to you. I said, but the animal you have to place at the top because otherwise you're, you're not able to, to be a good in this world is you. And so she gave in, ate some eggs and it was like a light bulb went off and she just, she felt so much better. There's only one, only one client that ever happened with. Look, if you like Mind Pump, come find us on Instagram. Mind Pump Media.
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