2843: The Newbie Gains Hack That Works After Years of Training

Summary

Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2843 — "The Newbie Gains Hack That Works After Years of Training"

Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Date: April 24, 2026

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Overview

In this highly engaging episode, Sal, Adam, Justin, and Doug dig into the phenomenon of "newbie gains"—the rapid progress most people see when starting resistance training—and reveal an actionable “hack” for experienced lifters to recapture that accelerated growth even after years in the gym. The hosts share personal anecdotes, scientific explanations, practical advice, and plenty of humor as they tackle listener questions about red light therapy, fitness adaptations, the limits of AI-written workout routines, addressing muscular imbalances, and more. Along the way, they riff on trending news stories, modern life, and family experiences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Are "Newbie Gains" and Why Do They Happen?

[02:50 - 06:33]

• Definition: “Newbie gains” are the rapid strength and muscle increases that beginners frequently see in their first months of consistent, properly executed training.
  • Justin: “You’re adding weight to the bar every week... This lasts for like a little while... and then it slows down very quickly.”
• Mechanism: Much of the rapid early progress is due not only to muscle hypertrophy, but also significant adaptations in the central nervous system (CNS).
  • Sal: “Your central nervous system is the amplifier to the speakers... As that strengthens, your current muscles suddenly can lift more.”

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2. The Hack: Reclaiming Newbie Gains as an Experienced Lifter

[03:30 – 19:32]

• The Principle: Choose an exercise or skill unfamiliar to you, and focus on mastering it. Your CNS will adapt rapidly, resulting in "newbie-like" strength increases even after years of training.

  • Sal: “Do an exercise you normally don’t do and practice it and get good at it. And those initial strength gains are very similar to what you experienced in the very beginning.”
  • Adam: “Learn a new skill.”

• Examples from the Hosts:

  • Justin: Doing front squats for the first time after years of back squats ("...after a couple weeks of kind of getting used to it, I was adding weight every week... it’s because I’m learning the skill.")
  • Sal: Switching from flat bench to consistently training the incline bench, overcoming the ego-driven bias to stick with your best lifts.
    • Sal ([07:34]): “It took me so long to see two wheels... and then to go to an incline and have to drop it... was just like, no.”
  • Adam: Entering the world of unconventional lifts like kettlebells, Turkish get-ups, and macebells.
  • Justin: Discovering the gains from focusing on reverse curls for biceps and consequent aesthetic improvements.

• Strategy:

  • Select one new lift that targets a bodypart or pattern you want to emphasize.
  • Make it the priority in your workout routine for 2-3 months.
  • Track your progress as you rapidly get stronger and notice physique changes.
    • Sal ([17:25]): “Allow it to be the priority and really get good at it... That’s where you’ll reap max benefits.”
  • Do not “sprinkle” the new move as an afterthought; it must become your main lift for the cycle.
    • Adam ([18:00]): “It was sprinkled into my routine. It was never a focal point. I never cared to brag about my squat numbers or my deadlift… Then I made it a priority... and followed the best aesthetic physique I ever had afterwards.”

• Psychological Barriers: The big hurdle is humility—being willing to start over with light weights and struggle at first with unfamiliar movements.

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3. Recognizing When to Rotate Movements

[15:10 - 19:00]

• It’s not about always finding the “best” exercise per the latest research—but about what is new to you.
  • Sal ([15:11]): “Exercises that would be considered inferior... become better, superior because it’s novel...”

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4. Listener Q&A Highlights

Q1: Does Strength Training While Pregnant Create Stronger Babies?

[66:54 – 69:51]

• Not much direct research, but being fit and healthy during pregnancy generally results in healthier, more resilient babies.
• Sal ([68:23]): “I would bet money... I believe this plays a role, both the nutrition and the exercise.”
• Justin: Nutrition and stress levels during pregnancy also have significant influences.
• Moderation is crucial: “Don’t think, as a mom, ‘I’m going to go crazy with strength training to produce this super-baby.’ You can very easily overdo it.”—Justin ([69:14])

Q2: Will I Lose an Adaptation If I Switch Training Phases or Focus?

[69:59 – 71:53]

• You may lose a bit of skill or adaptation when switching, but the loss is generally small and quickly regained.
• “As soon as you get back to that, you’ll get that (strength/performance) and some back... It’s in pursuit of taking two steps forward.” — Sal ([70:22])
• Most important for athletes prepping for a specific lift.

Q3: How Good Are AI-Written Workout Programs?

[71:55 – 76:20]

• Effectiveness depends on the quality of prompts (the specificity of your input).
  • Sal ([72:18]): “If you don’t know how to prompt it correctly... you’re going to get a generic workout.”
• AI cannot replace personalized coaching, adjustment, and human connection.
  • Justin ([73:16]): “It’s better than you guessing, I guess. But here’s what it won’t do: It will not replace a personal trainer.”
  • Sal ([74:08]): “It’s the Internet’s ability to scour... aggregating that and giving you a response. Just a fancy Google.”
• If you know the right questions and information to feed it, AI can be a useful tool.
• Still, don’t expect miracles or the level of nuance a skilled trainer brings.

Q4: Fixing Hip Imbalances and Exercise-Related Back Pain

[76:20 – 78:06]

• Without seeing form, best broad advice: use unilateral work (single-leg exercises) to pinpoint and correct imbalances.
  • Justin: “Start with the good side and then try to copy that with the bad side.”
  • Sal ([77:32]): “Get really good at 90/90s [hip mobility drills] and work through MAPS Symmetry.”
• Key principle: reinforce correct patterns, strengthen weaknesses, and monitor progress for improvement.

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5. Supplement & Product Insights

• Red Light Therapy (Joovv):

  • Cited as having robust data for skin benefits, including a noticeable reduction in acne.
    • Sal ([21:30]): “45% reduction in acne when people were using red light therapy... after four weeks.”
  • Well-studied, especially for collagen, wrinkle reduction, and healing.

• Element Electrolyte Powder:

  • The hosts credit Element for “changing the narrative” around sodium/electrolyte needs, especially for athletes and low-carb dieters.
    • Sal ([43:46]): “They single-handedly completely shifted and changed the fear around sodium.”
  • Behavioral benefit: drinking way more water because of taste.
  • Especially helpful for people who sweat a lot, do sauna, or eat only whole foods.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sal ([03:33]): “The hardest part... is accepting that you’re going to be not good at it again.”
• Sal ([08:19]): “Especially because nobody bragged about an incline back then. It was like, ‘How much can you bench?’”
• Adam ([10:03]): “You get huge benefits [from Turkish get-ups] because it incorporates the entire body... core stability, lower body strength, shoulder stability...”
• Sal ([15:11]): “Exercises that would be considered inferior... become better... because it’s novel.”
• Justin ([17:25]): “Allow it [your new lift] to be the priority... That’s where you’ll really reap the max benefits.”
• On planned obsolescence of appliances/cellphones:
  • Sal ([34:41]): “Did they just not break back in the day? Because I can recall appliances in my grandparents’ house are like 30, 40 years old...”
  • Sal ([38:01]): “iPhones typically become obsolete through slower performance, reduced battery life, and lack of support... after five to seven years.”

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Other Fun & Memorable Segments

• Chimpanzee Civil War ([24:13 – 29:30]):** Wild and darkly comic discussion of a recent major chimpanzee conflict in Uganda.
• Planned Obsolescence & Modern Appliances ([34:09 – 39:19]):** Lamenting how older appliances and furniture were built to last—and how manufacture has shifted to ensure a limited lifespan.
• Landlines & Digital Boundaries ([39:45 – 41:13]):** Humorous reflection on families’ efforts to reduce smartphone dependence, including installing a corded phone at home.
• School Policies: Phones in Faraday Bags ([40:39 – 41:44]):** Discussing new rules that require students to keep their phones locked away at school.
• Parenting Reflections & Advice (scattered throughout): Heartfelt, often funny notes on raising kids, letting go, and making time for true presence.

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• What Are Newbie Gains? — [02:50]
• How to Hack Newbie Gains Later in Training — [03:30]
• Personal Anecdotes & Examples — [06:33, 07:28, 08:19, 10:03]
• Why Novelty & Rotation Matter — [15:11]
• Listener Q&A — [66:47 onward]
• Red Light Therapy/Element Supplement Insights — [20:41 – 22:23] & [43:46 – 47:08]
• Planned Obsolescence, Phones, and More — [34:09, 38:01]
• Chimp Civil War/Appliance Tangents — [24:13, 34:41, 39:45]

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Original Language & Tone

The episode is full of sharp wit, banter, and real-life color, blending evidence-based fitness information with practical advice and relatable storytelling. Key advice is science-grounded and challenge-oriented, encouraging listeners to get uncomfortable and challenge their routines.

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Summary Takeaway:

Any lifter—no matter how experienced—can spark rapid, “newbie-like” progress by prioritizing a novel exercise (and making it their main focus for weeks or months), pushing through the humility barrier, and trusting the science of novelty and CNS adaptation. The Mind Pump team backs every claim with stories from their own journeys, practical analogies, and their signature style of “raw, fitness truth.”

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[Justin Andrews]

Newbie gains. This is the term used to describe the rapid increase in streng that people experience when they first start strength training. Now this eventually slows down and now your experience. You've been working out for a little while. Can you tap back into those newbie gains? Can you get rapid strength gains like you did in the beginning? Kind of. There is a hack. We're going to talk about it right now. Newbie gains hack. For those of you who've been doing it for a little while. Let's go. Yeah, so I'll just put it out there. Do an exercise you normally don't do and practice it and get good at it. And, and those initial strength gains are very similar to what you experienced in the very beginning.

[Adam Schafer]

Learn a new skill.

[Justin Andrews]

That's it.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a beautiful thing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I think the hardest part about that is the accepting that you're going to be not good at it again, you know, like one of the things that happens, I think, to all of us, humbling. I think we're all guilty of, you know, falling into the rhythm of doing the same, same similar type of workouts regardless, even if you're, if you're good about periodizing and changing up some of the exercises and rep ranges and all the things that we talk about, we still are all probably pretty guilty of kind of hovering around our favorite way of training. Generally speaking, one of the best ways to get all them newbie gains is to do something completely different than what you currently do. And you could do that simply by just choosing one exercise that's different and that's less radical.

[Justin Andrews]

I think that's one of my favorite ways to do it. So let's explain newbie gains real quick because it's first of all it's exciting, but sometimes it sets people up for failure later because they're like, what's going on? Why am I not adding five or ten pounds to the bar every single week when you first start strength training, so long as you can move well. Right. Because sometimes you have to start out and work really hard on correctional exercise and stuff first. But let's say you could do basic exercises. You start working out and you're eating right.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You're healthy.

[Justin Andrews]

You're adding weight to the bar every week. Like every single week, you're adding reps or weight to the bar. And this lasts for like a little while. This goes on for like a few months, oftentimes, sometimes a little longer, where you're just making gains over gains. And this is called newbie gains. And then it slows down very quickly, and then it becomes more of a consistent. Like, it's a harder process. Right. What's happening those early stages of strength training? The reason why you're seeing such rapid increases in strength is a lot of it has to do with central nervous system adaptation. So although larger muscle fibers contract harder, your central nervous system plays a huge role in how much weight you can move and lift. This is essentially. This is the power system that tells the muscles what to do, that charges the muscles like an amplifier to the speakers. Whereas your muscles with the speakers, the central nervous system is the amplifier. And as that strengthens, your current muscles suddenly can lift more. And they can lift more because they're more organized, they can fire harder, you're more stable. And these strength gains are really rapid. In the beginning. I'm training my buddy right now, and it's funny because, you know, so long as you don't overdo it, right. If you train properly, you'll see this in the beginning. And he's like, tripping out because we'll do the same exercise we did the week before, and it's like five more reps. Oh, yeah. He's like, what's going on?

[Adam Schafer]

It's addictive, too. In the beginning, it's. It's so helpful to have that. That body really just, like, responds to this new stimulus and it gives you that confidence boost and Totally. But, yeah, inevitably, you know, that kind of runs up and. And you have to, you know, stay ahead of that just like anything else. Like, we're going to run into plateaus, and this is one of those things that's exciting, but we also have to think how we're going to stay ahead of it.

[Justin Andrews]

I remember the first time I hacked into this as an experienced lifter. So after a while, the new beginnings go away. It doesn't just keep happening. And I was doing the traditional lifts and, you know, I was doing pretty well. And then I started doing front squats. So front loaded squats. Right. Never did them really consistently before. They were hard. I sucked at them. I could do like a fraction of the weight I could do with a back squat. And I just got convinced that they're really effective. I knew Olympic lifters did them. You know, old school bodybuilders in the 70s did them all the time. And I said, you know, I'm gonna start doing front squats. And so I started practicing front squats. And after a couple weeks of kind of getting used to it, I was adding weight every week. It was like every week I was hitting a new weight that I could lift. And I was like, oh, it's because I'm learning the skill of this exercise. And then I use that throughout my lifting career where I would pick an exercise that I haven't done or haven't done in a while, and it's okay. For the next three months, I'm going to get good at this lift. And you see crazy gains.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You guys all remember those. Was that the first like, like, aha moment for you was the best lift?

[Justin Andrews]

I think it was front swaps.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Mine was incline. Incline barbell press.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, because you were always flat bench.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I. And I remember. And I would intermittently do incline, but never consistently because I. It was embarrassing. I mean, I was. Because I could. I could work out with two plates on flat bench all the time consistently. And then to go to an incline and have to drop it all the way down to like 135 was just like, no. You know what I'm saying? Especially because, well, yeah, it took me so long to see two wheels, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was like a long time of benching for me was to get to two plates. And that was such an accomplishment. And that took me to get there. That going over to incline and having to see myself go all the way back down to one plate was just no like it. So.

[Justin Andrews]

Especially because nobody bragged about an incline back then. No, it was like, how much can you be?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. And so of course you. You're gonna talk about the one you could bench so much more on. And so I remember when I made it a goal, like, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna focus on that and the gains that I got from

[Justin Andrews]

that and essentially was just prioritizing it and making it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I just said, hey, I'm no longer in a flat bench. I'm gonna incline bench. And I'm gon catches up to my flat Bench. And it eventually did. And the, the aesthetic gains, the strength gains. What was great was I was still just as strong on flat. I didn't lose my flat bench strength. That state that remained the same. And I, and I caught up the incline bench and I saw all this gains aesthetically from. And I was like forever sold. Like, oh my God. It's just, you just have to get over that mental hurdle of. I mean, another example. And I think you've brought this up when you first started doing like windmills.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, you know how humbling that is. Just doing super humble. Yeah. Holding a little five pound kettlebell or something. The very first time you do that, you know. You know, we, we recently have done on the, the, the Instagram social media team did a thing that we all did. I don't know if how much you guys looked at all of ours. Mine hasn't gone up yet or it will probably by the time this airs, but it was the March madness of the exercises.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

We're, we're, we're all really, really similar. But there was a few. There' were different. And one of the things that mine was different than both of yours, I actually put the. I, I put the Turkish get up higher.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It didn't make it all the way to the end, but it made it further than what it made for both of you guys. And my thought process reasons. Yeah. And, and also that nobody gets good at that. Like, nobody goes, I'm going to get really strong. And I'll tell you something right now, both men and women can get pretty strong on that because it involves.

[Justin Andrews]

You did it for a second.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I did it.

[Justin Andrews]

There was a minute there.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, man. And you get huge benefits because it incorporates the entire body and requires so much core stability, so much lower body strength, so much shoulder stability and strength and the, the carryover, the gains you get from that, I think a lot of things is so big and it's just. I feel like it gets on as an exercise.

[Justin Andrews]

Funny.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. We're talking about this because that became kind of a bit of a chase for me, this whole newbie game thing, because I went in the unconventional world, I was always looking for a different tool that was out there that was going to provide because what started it really was the kettlebell itself. Like, I, I was doing conventional lifts forever and I was like working with the football team and just working on PR numbers and all these things to put up on the board. And then I worked out with a guy and he took this, this one Kettlebell is gold. It was like 115 pounds or something. And he just puts it up, like, right over his head like it was nothing. And I was just as strong as the guy with all the conventional lifts. And I pick it up, like,

[Justin Andrews]

fell.

[Adam Schafer]

And I was so pissed off. I was like, why? I was like, why is that so easy for him? And then I just incrementally, like, just chipped away at it. Chipped away at it. And then within, like, you know, a couple months, I was putting that up and it was just like, it was wild, but it just. It just kept proving itself to me time after time when I would pick a new direction. Like, I'd take the mace bell and I'd start working on that. And then you'd see these rapid gains again.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I remember. You know what, it's funny, I just remember as we're talking, I'm like, was it the front squat? It was the reverse curl. Was the first time a reverse curl? It was a reverse curl. And it was because I read a bodybuilding article that in order to get a thicker bicep, and this, this is the way they explain. It's not quite what happens, but they're like, you need to train the brachialis, right? You got the bicep on top. Brachialis is this flat muscle underneath. And if you develop that, then you'll get like this thicker looking arm. I'm like, well, I'm standing straight in my T shirt, like, I'd like to have some thick bicep. I was a kid, I was like 16 years old, thicker looking, and I. And it said, do hammer curls and reverse curls. And so I went out in the backyard and I grabbed my EZ curl bar and I had it already set up for when I did curls. I was always set up that way. And I went to reverse curl it, and it was like my wrists were just. They folded and I was like, I can't do this. So I went lighter and I started practicing it. And it did develop my arms. But it wasn't necessarily the magic of the exercise, although that's part of it. The big part of it was it was this novel movement. It was curling with a pronated grip. And I became. I felt this. Now to this day, you guys hear me talk about the reverse curl. That's where it started was I picked up this exercise, and it's great. This is. There's so many movements out there that people avoid or don't do that are established lifts. Like, like, here's another one for A long time. For a long time. In the 90s, behind the neck presses for shoulders were very popular. They fell way out of favor because of the risk factor. And it does this.

[Adam Schafer]

That certification started to like shove people away.

[Justin Andrews]

And here's the deal. You definitely need more mobility and stuff, stability and control to do it behind the neck than you do in front. Okay. So you definitely want to develop that first. But once you get there, if you always press to the front and you start practicing behind the back and you get good at that, watch the strength gains go through the roof initially because you'll start with just the bar at first because you can't even get it there. Next thing you know, you're adding £10 every single week. And then you see that on your body from an aesthetic perspective. There's also all the Zercher exercises. Yeah, all the, all the Zuricher deadlifts and squats, which now I'm starting to see people do a little bit. In fact, they're starting to come out with Zuricher pads.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Z Press is another great one. I mean, you will suck at that when you first start that, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, totally. And so it's like, you know, here's another one that's really good. I remember we saw a friend, what's his name? Powerlifter.

[Sal Di Stefano]

He.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, he's. I mean, this guy could squat 700 pounds. Super competitive power lifter. Never did split stance exercises like lunges.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Because he's a power lifter. So he competes bilaterally and you could see him with like 185 on the bar. And it was hard for him. And it's not because he's not strong enough. I mean, he is not strong enough, but it's not because his muscles aren't strong enough. He just doesn't, he doesn't do that movement. His central nervous system isn't adapted to it. So he started practicing and you better believe that contributed to his bilateral squat and his leg development. And so for everybody listening right now, you may have a body part or an area you want to develop. Look up exercises, especially old school ones that you maybe never do or you do occasionally. And then what you can say to yourself is, I'm going to make that one of the primary lifts for that body part for the next three months. This is for experienced lifters. Watch what happens to your problems.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, you know, the problem with sending people to go look that up is typically what you'll do is you'll look up the best movements for that exercise and it'll come and the Articles and the stuff that you hear on social media will be what does the research say is the best exercise? And that they're probably doing those. It's the ones that you're probably not doing.

[Justin Andrews]

It has to be one you're not doing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And you have to understand that this is an argument that we always make, I feel, and we always get pushback about this when we're ranking stuff. It's like if you've been doing this, this same movement, say like a bench press forever. Yes. We know that bench press is like the overall best exercise for your chest. But if you've been doing barbell bench press forever, then exercises that would be considered inferior to that become better, superior because it's novel. And so even though that's the best to get you going, but you've been doing that for two years consistently, like three days a week. It's like you've gotten so good at that you've reached almost the max. Benefits from it simply going to something you totally suck at. Even though it's an inferior exercise in a standalone study, it becomes a superior exercise because it's so novel to you. And so don't just look up the most popular three exercises or something like that. Yeah, it's like, look, just do a

[Adam Schafer]

movement are old time strength program, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, gosh.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, we haven't talked about it in a long time, but like, only because of what you guys are talking about describing. There's like a progressive way to, to achieve that lift at a high level. Like, there's a way to, you know, learn it, like acquire the skill of it, get good at it. And then, you know, you could bring that into the arsenal when you get back to your regular programming.

[Justin Andrews]

You know what, it's even true though, for exercises that aren't so different. I know that you could be. This was me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, you just, I mean, the front squat's an example, but even more similar.

[Justin Andrews]

Like you could be, you could be so good at a flat bench press with a barbell and never do dumbbells and go grab a pair of dumbbells, start pressing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And you're way weaker now. Typically you'll dumbbell press less than you total weight than you can with a barbell. But it's, it's, it's within range, it's somewhat close. But if you never dumbbell chest press and all you ever do is barbell bench press, then you go try using dumbbells. Suddenly you're like, oh my God, I can bench press 300 pounds, but I can't go heavier than 75 pound dumbbells. It's such a similar exercise too. Go with the dumbbells. Get good at it. Watch what happens to your chest development, your strength, your shoulder development. Just because.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And really make it a focus. Because a mistake that I think I used to make too.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, you just throw it in the now.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes, you throw it in and out. Or it's the third exercise of the day.

[Justin Andrews]

No, it's your focus.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it needs to become the focus. Like in order for my incline to show me the results that I saw from it, it became the priority. Yeah, like so that, that's the tough part is because then people are like, well, wait a second. Everyone says that this is the best exercise. So okay, I'll add that other one in that you're talking about. But it's like the third one or the fourth one in the workout and by the time you're already tax, you know what I'm saying? So allow it to be the priority and really get good at it and really get strong at it. And that's where you'll really reap the max benefits from it. It's not this like sprinkling in every. Which is the mistake I made. I would sprinkle it in. Oh yeah, I do that.

[Justin Andrews]

But I give your, your, your cns and opportunity.

[Sal Di Stefano]

My example. That too. Even the was not that long ago when we all first got together, you know, that was squatting and deadlifting for me. It was sprinkled into my routine. It was never a focal point. I never cared to be, you know, brag about my squat numbers or my deadlift. I was Mr. Hypertrophy Guy. That's all I cared about is what I looked like. And so I never cared to make that a priority. It wasn't until we got together and I was like, okay, I'm gonna make this a priority and get, try and get really strong at my squat and my deadlift. Well, lo and behold, you know, followed the best aesthetic physique I ever had afterwards. And so I remember that too.

[Justin Andrews]

You were adding like 10, 15 pounds a week to your deadlift every single week.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Both deadlift and squat for months.

[Justin Andrews]

It was like three months that this happened. And your body and you're talking about,

[Sal Di Stefano]

you know, 15 years into my lift.

[Justin Andrews]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like for experienced lifters, like, this is such a awesome hack. Now, now what you don't want to do necessarily is pick 15 different exercise. I mean, you could do that if you want to, but honestly, just do one. Yeah, just do one for an area you want to focus on or maybe a lifting pattern that you want to focus on and be like, I always back squat. I'm just going to front squat now. Or I always conventional deadlift. Now I'm going to do sumo deadlift. Or, you know, I always overhead press with the, you know, to the front. Let me go to the back. Or I always barbell them as you dumbbell. Pick that one exercise and be like, for the next three months. This is the first exercise I do in the workout for that body part. And my goal is to get stronger. And you'll see consistent gains for probably two to three months while you do that. And it's. And your body will look like you're making strengths.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And then it'll carry over to your regular lifts.

[Justin Andrews]

Totally.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean, that, that same hat on the, on the point of like a body part. I remember this was my, my big shoulder unlock. This was, I mean, I never had made shoulders a priority. It was like. But I wanted better shoulders, but I never prioritized them above chest and back and all these other big muscles. It was like, until like I decided like, okay, this should be a focal point. Became the first exercise and the first thing I would do in the week. It was just like, I'm shoulders. It's going to be the main focus. And huge, huge crazy difference. Yeah. But it takes that. There's. I, you know, I, and I remember how I felt. So I think that's a point I'm trying to communicate is I know the fear of letting go of something else or the fear of making something else. Putting it on the back burner because

[Justin Andrews]

you think you're going to lose games or no.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. You're fearful of. Yeah, but I also don't want to lose my chest just to go get my get better shoulders. It's like, you're not, you're not going to, you're not going to lose that by prioritizing that you've already gotten really. You've already reached for. Most people have reached that, you know, that we're talking to. Has reached a lot in that, in this category. It's like putting your bench press now on the back burner to go after something else. You're not going to all sudden lose no 50 pounds of strength.

[Justin Andrews]

No. No bench press. All right. I, I looked up studies on red light therapy and acne and I'd never looked. I knew that it had a beneficial effect on acne. It has a beneficial effect on skin across the board. Right. Red light therapy. People aren't familiar with red light therapy. We have studies that go back decades. It's very well studied for lots of different reasons, but for skin in particular, like if you want healthier actually looking skin, stronger collagen, less wrinkles, like healing scars, all that stuff like red light therapy is remarkably effective. But. And I knew that it had a positive effect on acne, but I don't know just how much I looked up the studies. 45% reduction in acne when people were using red light therapy and this was after four weeks.

[Adam Schafer]

That's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

This is good news because acne, people who struggle with acne, this can be, this is a big pain in the butt for a lot of people. And most of the treatments are antibiotic based or harsh on the skin, which

[Adam Schafer]

being on antibiotics for that long, it's

[Justin Andrews]

rough, really rough, really harsh. Red light therapy is just. This is a wavelength of light that supercharges mitochondria in the skin or whatever it touches. So you could shine it on different parts of the body too. But a 45% decrease in acne.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I actually think this is why brands like Joovv have exploded and red light therapy has become so popular in the last decade is because of all the benefits. Because there's lots of benefits to red light therapy. The thing that I think you see relatively quick, like instantly within doing a few sessions of it is your skin. I mean I've always communicated is like, I almost feel like I've tanned or I have this glow that you know. And you'll. If you've never tried it. Yeah, if you've never tried it, tell a difference. And you do three, you do three sessions of 20 minute sessions in a week, you'll see a difference. Yep, you'll see. And so I, and you know how that works in our space is that, you know, if people can't feel it, you know, it's like you really. Or see it, it's just tough to convince them how much it's working. And you know, I know it's, it's so like all the studies on recovery and some of that is incredible. That's hard to measure. That is just like, well, is it because I got good sleep or protein? It's just like, it's very obvious. It's like, I don't do this. I also start doing this on my face. I see a diff. A noticeable difference within the first week of me doing it. Like, okay, I'm so Doing something.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm just thinking, too, for parents with teenagers, because this can be rough for teenagers. Some kids just go through a stage of acne and it's like, what do you do with your kid? You put them on these really harsh medications. Do you. You get a red light panel. You know, Juve is the company we work with. You get them a red light panel, have them use it, you know, three days a week, 20 minutes. And it's not chemicals. It's nothing. It's. If it's good for the skin and it'll cause a. It'll show a reduction in acne.

[Adam Schafer]

I know. It's funny because, like, my oldest is really concerned about, like, boosting his testosterone for everything else. Really?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I know.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I was like, why?

[Adam Schafer]

I think it's just because of social media and, you know, it's just being, like, thrown out there everywhere. And so it's like. Yeah. So I'm having a lot of conversations with him about that. We talked about red light a bit as well. And, you know, so he's starting to use that. He's starting to use supplements and creatine and he's really kind of like. Like starting to try to grab.

[Justin Andrews]

He's jacked, dude. For his age, he's got to be one of the most jacked kids in school.

[Adam Schafer]

He's. He's definitely.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Both your kids are gonna be that way. You can see they got good genes, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Anyway, I mean, their gymnastics is like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Exactly. They have such a great foundation with that. Totally.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you see? I'm surprised you didn't bring this up. And you might have seen this already. Justin, did you see the chimp civil war that's happening?

[Adam Schafer]

What?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Chimp civil war.

[Justin Andrews]

Doug put chimp civil war and pull up news articles.

[Adam Schafer]

So are we just going to go through all of the science fiction genres and just start throwing it out there

[Justin Andrews]

like everything's going crazy? Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Minority are probably sure. We got you.

[Justin Andrews]

No, no, check. So no, I want this up. This, this report. This a news article up Planet of the Apes so we could see. Yes. Try to cast it up there, Doug, so we can see what's going on. This is the largest.

[Adam Schafer]

Bro.

[Justin Andrews]

Civil war.

[Adam Schafer]

This is so vicious, too. Have you ever, like, they rip faces off, they eat.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh. So it started out enemy chimps. It started out. So it's the largest civil war that we've observed in, I think, in decades with chimp populations. Where is it at?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is this in the wild? It's obviously in the wild.

[Adam Schafer]

In the wild.

[Justin Andrews]

This is in the wild. And it started by, like, there's rival chimp sides, and I guess they killed, like, one or two of the males.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is this somewhere like the Congo or somewhere like that?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah. Let me pull it up. I'm having a hard time casting here.

[Justin Andrews]

No problem.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Uganda.

[Justin Andrews]

Uganda. So I guess, like, one faction killed a couple of the males on this side, so then this side retaliated and then it spiraled, and then one of them killed some of the kids of the other one, and it just turned into, like, spiral. Oh, yeah, dude. And it's like raids. They're just raiding each other back and forth. How many total? Like, how many chimps are involved? Does it say?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Well, yeah, 200 chimps total.

[Justin Andrews]

Sounds like it's like the big old. They're calling a civil.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

But one faction of chimpanzees killed seven adult males and 17 infants. Infants of a rival group.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

And then 14 more adult males vanished. Bodies never recovered.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

What?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So you can see videos of them doing these raids. Well, like. Like a bunch of them would show up and just like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And we're observing. We're observing when this happens.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, that's crazy. Dude, I know what's going on. What are they?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, you. What you wonder is that has it always kind of gone on and then. And they just. We just happen.

[Justin Andrews]

We've seen civil wars before, so that's why. Because.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, I know that, like. So I've. I've watched Territorial. Yeah, I was going say, like, I know they're, like, super territorial. Even with, like, where on the tree, they can, like, they could like, certain. There's like, certain places. There's a. Yeah. There's a hierarchy of, like, where. Where you are hanging out in the tree and stuff like that. Of like, who's who.

[Justin Andrews]

Apparently it says over there it happens once every 500 years. So this is like. Go back, go back. There was an article. Maybe it's like their equivalent of, like,

[Adam Schafer]

this is their apocalypse.

[Justin Andrews]

This is their world war.

[Sal Di Stefano]

We know that because we have what for five.

[Justin Andrews]

Like, I mean, it's. I guess. I guess maybe. Maybe recorded talk about it.

[Adam Schafer]

Some observer.

[Justin Andrews]

So rare it only happens every 500. Yeah, click on that. How do they know what happened 500 years?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, because, like, it would.

[Justin Andrews]

Shut up, Adam.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

They use carbon dating.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I'm like, they.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What they had, they have like a carbon stone from 500 and then a thousand and then 1500 years. Because, I mean, if.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, that's banana remains. What does it say we just throw

[Sal Di Stefano]

out there and people just like.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Well, scientists say it happens every 500 years. It must be true.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Scientists say a lot of.

[Adam Schafer]

Because all I know is what. Jane Goodall. But she was like gorillas, right?

[Justin Andrews]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I don't think she was with chimps, but I mean there was. There's definitely people observing the chimps, but like to go back 500 years, who knows?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. No, yeah. Apparently it's just rare, I guess. Let's just say, you know, it's rare. I don't know if I. Did you. Do you guys remember that woman? It was like. It was like 20 years ago. Do you guys remember the story? That woman that owned a chimp pet Speak. No, no, no.

[Adam Schafer]

She let it sleep in bed with her.

[Justin Andrews]

It was like her. Oh.

[Adam Schafer]

Friend is like. And almost attacked her.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right?

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, ripped her face.

[Justin Andrews]

It literally ripped her face off. She gave it wine and Xanax.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Gave it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's a great.

[Justin Andrews]

You look. It's her. Her girlfriend or something.

[Adam Schafer]

You're watching some like soap opera.

[Justin Andrews]

He's just like.

[Adam Schafer]

Rips her face off.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Was that really what.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

What she.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She gave it. And that was a reaction?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, maybe Doug.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Total opposite of what she thought would happen.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I think that would have calmed it down. Oh, 2009.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

2009.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. His owner initially admitted to giving him the anti anxiety medication in tea to calm him.

[Adam Schafer]

They're all wearing like cucumbers and face mask.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, you take your Sandy and it just got hella blew up in her face.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh my God.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude. It ripped her face off. Yeah, yeah. You know how strong they are, dude.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, real strong. What's the ratio?

[Justin Andrews]

I know. That's a picture of the chip.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what? That.

[Adam Schafer]

That fact you brought up the other day about hippos and their muscle mass. That. That surprised me actually. That's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude. What do you. Yeah. If you give a chimp wine and drugs, it's probably not. I kind of feel like that's. You're like you're asking for it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you're definitely opening up.

[Justin Andrews]

Something crazy is about that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is that her afterwards right there?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So she.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She lived.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

She lived. But she had to have a facial reconstruction. I mean it. It messed her up badly.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, it ripped off her arms too.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, that's terrible.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh my goodness.

[Justin Andrews]

Poor lady. Yeah, not good. Now, now, not to make this weird.

[Adam Schafer]

Yikes.

[Justin Andrews]

Not to. Because now it's all sad.

[Adam Schafer]

Poor lady looks like. That's horrible.

[Justin Andrews]

All right. But not to make this weird, but just speculating if at this point it ripped her face off and everything because he gave her. It's probably not the first time she gave the chimp. No, no.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Apparently it would drink from long stem glasses.

[Justin Andrews]

Do you think there was other stuff going on? Like, do you think there was a little bit of a relationship? You know what I mean?

[Adam Schafer]

So you know that the Tiger King had like a follow up and they like documented like people that took in chimps and apes and all that kind of stuff.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I didn't last very long. It just creeped me out like too much.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Where is he at?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Where's.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Where is the tiger?

[Adam Schafer]

Still in prison? Is he. Yeah, he's talking trash. It's really funny actually.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like he's never one of the anomaly. That is like that was like that. Like that was like a huge thing in Covid and gone away.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Just.

[Adam Schafer]

It was just the perfect timing. There was nothing on TV at all to watch. That was like the only, you know, trash TV there's.

[Justin Andrews]

So there's a lot of things during COVID that I think we forgot. Yeah. On purpose. I think our brains made us forget. Like some of the Wild Tiger King

[Adam Schafer]

carried us all through that.

[Justin Andrews]

That was a very popular show back.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Arguably maybe the most popular.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, he's Carol Baskin.

[Justin Andrews]

Dude. He's not. Dude, you remember everything about that. Yeah, he's not doing good. He's got. He's battling prostate and lung cancer.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, he had a 20 year sentence, Joe.

[Adam Schafer]

Exotic.

[Justin Andrews]

Remember he had a boyfriend but he's like, I'm not gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

He's the ultimate closer, you guys.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm not going to try to compete.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah, you got guys.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Did you guys see the guy turn teams? I saw this came. Popped up in my feed. The. Thaddeus was his name. Thaddeus something. He's. He was impersonator of the guy from Hangover.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Thaddeus Vegas impersonator.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, he's in Vegas.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, he's in Vegas. Yeah. Thaddeus is his first name. He's.

[Adam Schafer]

He.

[Sal Di Stefano]

He impersonated the guy from Hangover. You know, some of the beard with a. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Who is that guy?

[Adam Schafer]

That.

[Justin Andrews]

Thank you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And he had just lost his job, lost his like relationship or marriage or like that and had not and decided and said he looked like him. Flies to Vegas and literally makes like a quarter million a year impersonating him

[Adam Schafer]

just wearing the same clothes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's it right there.

[Justin Andrews]

That's glasses and all that. He makes 250 grand a year just doing that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes, look at. Right there. But imagine he shows up at a party.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, for sure, sure.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, everybody.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, of course. Everybody's going. Like, that makes sense. You gotta respect. You gotta respect the game. Right.

[Adam Schafer]

How much does he get paid to do that?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Quarter million a year he made.

[Justin Andrews]

What?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

And all he does is show up. Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So if you read the article about it, it actually talks about, like, how much, like, his life has been a blur because of, like, all the partying and stuff. Yes, baby.

[Adam Schafer]

Hi. Everywhere he goes, I.

[Justin Andrews]

He. Speaking of impersonators, you guys saw that one guy. Remember how people were taking. There was a video taken of a guy in his car in Miami that looked just like Jeffrey Epstein.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, I didn't see that.

[Justin Andrews]

You didn't?

[Sal Di Stefano]

No.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, so people were filming this guy. There was clips of this guy in Miami. It was Epstein. They're like, he's alive.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Anyway, this guy shows up and he's like, I'm not Epstein. What's his name? Something. Pete. Like Miami Pete or something like that. Yeah. Find out what his name. See what his name is. It's not Miami.

[Adam Schafer]

Cells.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, Miami Pete, I think his name was. Anyway, now he's saying, I'm not Jeffrey Epstein. But now people are saying, no, you are. And they're comparing pictures.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, I see him right there next to it.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, Palm Beach Pete. Palm Beach Pete. He says he used to party with Epstein.

[Sal Di Stefano]

He did say.

[Justin Andrews]

It's getting weird, bro. What if it is? Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

What a creep, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

So there was a picture of him with a private jet, and it's the same private jet as Epstein. That was a conspiracy theorist. I mean, that he actually is Epstein. But that's. That's.

[Adam Schafer]

He doesn't look like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, he looks one. He looks enough off from him.

[Justin Andrews]

So one.

[Adam Schafer]

And I. I'm sure it's debunked, but, like, there was, like, this video floating around of, like. So Woody Allen had, like, courtside seats. I think it was, like, next game or something. And in place of Woody Allen was literally Jeffrey Epstein sitting there just, like, chilling. Like, the camera was on him and everything. Exactly. I think it was probably an old video that they're circulating. Like, it was, like, recent. That's my guess. But, like, I first. I was like, no, no way, dude. Like, he's just popping up everywhere.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. He's not dead. I mean, I don't.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, that's.

[Adam Schafer]

That's up for grabs. He's concerned.

[Justin Andrews]

All those people they arrested with that. Yeah. Zero.

[Adam Schafer]

So many.

[Justin Andrews]

Anyway, let's change subject. So you Know, I got to bring something up because this just came to mind because my cousin, I'm in a text thread with my cousins and he's like, oh, this sucks, dude. He goes, just after the five year warranty, it's like five years and a month after my stupid washing machine broke. Now I gotta go buy a new one. So we started talking. I'm like, were appliances just. Did they just not break back in the day? Because I can recall like appliances in my grandparents house are like 30, 40 years old. Yeah, that just lasted forever.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, I was 100. You know, put our foil hats on with the, the conspiracy stuff. I 100% think cars, phones, comp.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, not cars.

[Adam Schafer]

Cars last with technology.

[Sal Di Stefano]

They write 100,000 miles. They last. They last right to their warranty.

[Justin Andrews]

And then they don't, you know, look at this. This is true. See, I told you. I looked it up. Appliances were generally sturdier, more durable, had longer lifespans.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And 1970s or 80s profit margin might last 20 to 25 years. Many modern employees, appliances are built with shorter lifespans.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, that's what I mean. They're intentionally faulty parts. Same thing with furniture. Yeah, yeah, you, you know, like, like old furniture. Have you ever picked up somebody who's like your grandparents?

[Justin Andrews]

Their furniture, they're heavy.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh my God, they're heavy. You pick up furniture today, it's like, yeah, Ikea. It's like fake hollow wood. It's like not even real wood, but real. Like old furniture was like carved. And that's so durable. We have. So the, the one that we have in our, in our bedroom is over 100 years old.

[Justin Andrews]

What is it?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Our dresser.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, really?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, our dresser is. And we refurbished it. It was passed down from Katrina's great grandma into the family.

[Justin Andrews]

Everything's solid.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, we refurb. It looks brand new and looks beautiful. It just, I, we paid to refurbish it, but it's like this sturdy, hard, like solid. Everything on it works perfect still.

[Justin Andrews]

Wow.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, that's just, it's the way it's built back then, you know?

[Justin Andrews]

You know what I was reading up why they lasted so long and it was because newer stuff today has all of this, like there's all these regulations on energy, like on how to conserve energy and water and that makes them less durable. It was back then they were like,

[Sal Di Stefano]

I would think things back then too were hand built.

[Justin Andrews]

Were they?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. You know how many years ago?

[Justin Andrews]

Seventies, eighties, maybe. Maybe.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean, I bet a lot of

[Justin Andrews]

it was, but they lasted a long time. Dude. My parents had appliances for ever.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean everything's done all machine and

[Adam Schafer]

slapped together now with metal parts instead of like plastic parts or anything. And like. Yeah, they, they chance out on a lot of these hinge points where it's like the wear of just opening and closing doors and it just.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I honestly think the same way we talk about how food scientists have come in and engineered food to be so hyper palatable. I think you have people that have. These companies that have been around forever have come in and they're like engineered it to precision of like this is how long it needs to last.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like if we wanted. It needs to last right about this

[Adam Schafer]

length simultaneously of the repair business attached to it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So yeah. And that's the cars. And like you, you could see that from appliances.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's either that you don't find it. You don't find it suspicious that every time you're you. You pay your iPhone off.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, dude, it's not a stretch at all.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It starts acting up like crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

Somebody. Yeah, it was a lawsuit that actually like they won.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Maybe. Doug.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean by the. By the eighth time it happened to me, it was pretty obvious. The first couple you got by me.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Each update just. Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But I think I've had 12 of those things and I'm like about the eighth one, I was like, wait a second. Every time I just finished the, the two year payoff plan, it starts and then they freeze it out.

[Adam Schafer]

They just like change up the, the plugs in. In the way that you know.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, when you plug the chargers.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. They get rid of it or it's.

[Justin Andrews]

Doug, look that up. Look up. Kill me. Yeah. Are they. Yes. IPhones are designed with a limited lifespan through both technical software and marketing approaches leading to planned obsolescence.

[Adam Schafer]

Planned obsolescence?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

IPhones typically become obsolete through a combination of slower performance, reduced battery life and lack of support of new software updates after roughly five to seven years. Yeah. Well, I mean. Yeah, I guess that sucks. Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, especially when it's. You're talking. What is it up to now? Like a thirteen hundred or a fifteen hundred dollar phone? Where phones are something like that now. Right.

[Justin Andrews]

Is that how much they cost?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, they're over a thousand. What are they? Doug, what's an iPhone? The new iPhones.

[Justin Andrews]

I think you're like 1500?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I think they're 13 to $1500.

[Justin Andrews]

Wow.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Private 1350. What is it now?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

It depends on which one you're getting.

[Justin Andrews]

The 17 Pro Max 1099 plus for the 17 Pro Max but if you want more like data or whatever.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I was gonna say that's the bear. That's the base. That's the base of that.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, we got. You know, we just got it home.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What?

[Justin Andrews]

So landline. Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Did you really?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, but it's not a landline. So my wife.

[Adam Schafer]

Long cords.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. So my wife is really trying to focus on figuring out ways to keep us from being on our phones.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

And in particular, a lot for the whole family, but a lot for herself because she's at home, she homeschools the kids, and it's like, you know, I want. It's such a pull. It's so easy to just get on your phone. She's very conscious of it. So she bought a phone that you Bluetooth to your phone, you. You lock your phone, and then that's it. And if somebody calls, it rings on that phone.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. And since nobody ever calls.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Does he go up? People know, like, you want to get a holder again?

[Sal Di Stefano]

If it's that important, you'll call me.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. And it's got the cord. It's an old school. With the cord. You pick it up and so if I called her right now, that's how she would answer. And we talk on the phone, and she'll tell me. She's like, all right, I'm turning my phone off, so I won't be able to get a hold of her. A beeper, huh? Yeah. A pager. Yeah. Now, that was the beginning of, like, people get a hold of you all the time. Was a pager, I suppose. I know we look like a bunch of drug dealers. Everybody in high school had a stupid beeper.

[Adam Schafer]

I had one. We all had one for a minute. Just.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, just for a minute. I had one for a long time.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, so did I, bro.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had one for a long time, I think.

[Justin Andrews]

What do we need it for? Nothing.

[Adam Schafer]

Nothing. Just my friends would hit me up.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Just write code back with your girlfriend.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I'm saying?

[Justin Andrews]

143.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And your buddy's boobs.

[Adam Schafer]

That one a lot.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

69. 69.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Just a waste of time. Doug, whatever number. Did you ever use a beeper?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Never did.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, he was too old for that time. That came out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He jumped.

[Justin Andrews]

How'd you guys get a hold of each other when you were kids?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Walked and knocked on their pony express.

[Justin Andrews]

Pigeons.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, Mike Tyson's still using smoke signals.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Actually,

[Justin Andrews]

a bottle with a note in it. Oh, yeah, that was a thing.

[Adam Schafer]

You Put them on the ocean.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I hear that the schools are. I think California is trying to pass laws right now with the, with the phones at schools.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. My daughter, she has to put her phone in a Faraday bag when she gets there.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She does, like literally a Faraday bag. That's what they do.

[Adam Schafer]

My kids school too.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So, like all the kids, when they walk, how does that work? Drop them in like in the classroom or in like on campus. As soon as they get on campus. So there's like somebody there.

[Adam Schafer]

You have to go ask for it if they want a message.

[Justin Andrews]

So.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But you. They have someone like policing though. They entry to the school and as you come in, give me your.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, hand them over.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And then someone's managing the thousand phones.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I don't know how it all works out.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's why I'm asking questions for the two dads that have kids in high school.

[Adam Schafer]

Bags.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Dude, you've never thought to ask your kids these questions?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

I actually seen it and they grab it and they put it in the bag.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't care how they organize the business of it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Doesn't that just strike you as like a lot?

[Adam Schafer]

They keep it like next to the classroom that they're going to. And so like the bags there and then they, you know, each, I guess the teachers, you know, responsible for it, I don't know. And then passes them back out.

[Justin Andrews]

I have no idea.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Sounds like a lot of guessing over there.

[Justin Andrews]

I've seen him do it, but I think it's great.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I think it's awesome. No, I think it's. I think it's great also.

[Justin Andrews]

You see kids, otherwise they're all with each other but on their phones.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Stupid.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Hopefully kids will get back to like pranking the teachers where you get the universal remote and you mess with the tv.

[Justin Andrews]

That was a good time.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's what, that's what disrupting the class should look like.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Do you know what I taught my five year old, which I'm hoping he forgot, but we were in Legoland. You know, we're just having fun and I'm like, oh, this is gonna be hilarious. Let me teach him this. Spitballs. Oh, remember spitballs with a straw that you're. Dude, that is not a good thing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, but Justin's gonna love.

[Justin Andrews]

So we were shooting. We were kind of shooting them a little bit, you know, flick boogers. Yeah. And then like when I did, I was like, oh, man, I hope he doesn't remember the.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

This, like, he's not gonna.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's for sure what he remembers. You got kids.

[Justin Andrews]

This is.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, for sure.

[Justin Andrews]

I. I gotta talk about Element because I really got to give them credit.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Going on tv.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, well. Oh yeah, they're. They're doing an ad on tv.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, they're gonna be on a commercial on tv.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, there's a, there's. I show up for two seconds.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I saw the clip.

[Justin Andrews]

They're like someone sent. You're in the new commercial. I'm like I am. I looked at it. It's literally no, it doesn't even say my name, bro. It's the side of my. It's like a flash and then go someone else. Only person that's know will know it's me that my mom, she'd be watching that looks like my son. Anyway, what they've done and you'll see every once in a while you see products or methods or whatever completely shift in industry. But what they did is crazy. They single handedly completely shifted and changed the fear around sodium. It was Element. Element did it. Up until Element everybody was still afraid of sodium. It's bad for you don't have too much electrolyte drinks had like a sprinkle of sodium. And people who understand electrolytes, like if you need electrolytes, if you're sweating a lot, if you're actually drinking this because you need the electrolyte, you need it all. You need a lot of sodium. That's the main thing that you need. Not like 100mg but like a thousand milligrams element single handedly because they were very brave. They put a thousand milligrams per serving and it crushed and now everybody's copying them.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well you know this, you know the origin story of that is Rob Wolf and his training and stuff like that. He was doing his jiu jitsu, he was strength training and he was doing other stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

Paleo diet.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, he was on the Paleo diet. So yeah, so he was. It was just completely depleted and so. And then he looked at the space. Nobody had enough sodium in the products so he went out and created it and it's absolutely exploded. Everybody's followed up. Why do you think that? Why do you think we still have some popular fitness influencers that shit on electrolytes then?

[Justin Andrews]

I mean I guess if you're comparing it to something like creatine, it's not like this miraculous.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean they don't even say that. They say that oh this electrolytes are like waste of money. If they were to. If they were to go down a list of supplements that are a waste of money.

[Justin Andrews]

No, I. Look, here's the deal. If you're sweating a lot, if you're training intensely, if you're on a low carb diet, you're using a sauna.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I would say even if you're on a whole food diet, if you're eating whole foods, most people do not salt their food. If you eat all whole foods, no processed foods, you eat a whole food diet. And that's the only source of sodium that you get is through that and you train.

[Adam Schafer]

That's probably why. Because those influencers are on those processed like protein shakes and bars and everything else.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, here's the deal again. There are certain people that will notice radical improvements in their performance from using high sodium electrolyte. You sweat a lot. If you're a blue collar worker and you work outside all the time, you'll notice a big difference. If you're a low carb or no carb diet, you'll notice the keto flu. That was because you needed electrolytes. Or even just holding a little bit

[Adam Schafer]

more intracellular water like you get a performance boost.

[Justin Andrews]

Here's the other thing that. And this is the behavioral part of it, this is what I love as a trainer. You show me all the science you want, I don't care. Here's what I see now. In real life, I have enough family members that use element to now notice that because they like the way it tastes and it has no calories. Sodium is an ingredient in palatability. So when you drink, when you put an element pack into your water, there's no sodium. Sorry. There's sodium, but there's no artificial sweeteners, no sugar. There's stevia in there, but the sodium with the stevia makes it taste really good. Sodium is an ingredient, palatability. Here's what I noticed. People drink more water. Yeah. All my friends that use element.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Did you guys have.

[Justin Andrews]

They all drink way more water now.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Did you guys get your, your care package? No. The pink lemonade.

[Adam Schafer]

Pink lemonade.

[Justin Andrews]

Really good.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah. You know, they. For April Fools, they did the whole pink lemonade.

[Justin Andrews]

Like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, the April fool's thing. But then that obviously they did that to roll out and kick out the pink lemonade. And the pink lemonade is really good.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

If you haven't had it yet, it's delicious. It's really good. They've man, they've hit a home run. The pineapple one, the pink lemonade one, the grapefruit one.

[Justin Andrews]

But here's why they crushed. They crushed for two reasons. One, one, they changed the narrative based on the real data and science. The fear around sodium is totally overrated. Number one. Number two, athletes that need it notice a big difference. But here's a big one. Number three, salt is an ingredient in making things palatable. They have created a zero calorie drink that people are like, I love the way this tastes now. The company has exploded. It is exploded. A lot of people drink element not because they need electrolytes, like the way it tastes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And it encourages them to drink more water because it tastes so good.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I have, I use or my sauna in the, in the hot tub.

[Justin Andrews]

Well then it makes. Oh yeah. For sure.

[Sal Di Stefano]

If I don't I will get a headache.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh I 100.

[Sal Di Stefano]

If I, if I do not do that, I, I will get it. I'll get a headache from that for sure.

[Justin Andrews]

So.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And there's also that. Right. There's a huge. Didn't we look this up recently?

[Adam Schafer]

My stamina is terrible if I don't do that. Before, like I was hiking in Palm Desert.

[Justin Andrews]

It was like of course.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Like 85, 90 degrees. And I was just like, oh, die. And then I drank one was like, well, so it was different.

[Sal Di Stefano]

The last time we talked about Elmer, didn't you bring up or didn't we have Doug look up the variants of the individual variants of people that actually sweat out.

[Justin Andrews]

Some people sweat a lot more.

[Sal Di Stefano]

A lot. Like a significant amount.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Like 10x for some people.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. So which is also where I think they're. They get these people, you know, like I asked you like that are. That it's like maybe you're somebody who doesn't. It doesn't impact you that much. Where there's a percentage of people that I guarantee it makes a huge difference. I know for sure. I'm one of those people.

[Justin Andrews]

I know this as a, as a co. As a trainer back in the day. One of the more difficult things, challenges that I would have with clients. Sounds silly.

[Adam Schafer]

The hydrate.

[Justin Andrews]

Would you get them drinking enough water? It was, it's. And I remember as a trainer thinking it was so dumb. But I saw it so many times. I'm like, this is a common issue. Had I had something like element that for sure would have encouraged if I poured it. Gave them a big thing of it in our workout.

[Adam Schafer]

That's why Crystal Light exploded. Because it's a flavor.

[Justin Andrews]

Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

0.5 to 2 liters per hour during exercise.

[Justin Andrews]

What a difference for sweat.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Total sweat.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. That's. Dude, I got a company I want to. You're going to love this company. And you might have seen companies like this before, but my wife shared this with me and I think it's brilliant. Doug, type in NUULY N U U L Y this is one of the, one of many companies that are doing this. So this is a company that you could pay a fee. Yeah, yeah, you pay a fee.

[Sal Di Stefano]

My niece does this.

[Justin Andrews]

So I think like you can pay 99 bucks a month.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And you get six outfits.

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's a ton. There's a ton of companies that do this. There's companies that do this, by the way, every month there's companies that do this with high end brands. So you can get like, you want like a thousand dollar dress from. Let's take a name brand. And they send you a trunk with all the. So that. And you basically, you keep what you want, you return what you want and you can get, you can get stuff that's used. That's like, like somebody who's, who's, who's sent this out. So there's so many companies that do this.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

But this is for rental.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Huh.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

This is rental.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So this is.

[Justin Andrews]

You should pay 99 bucks a month.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You get six items sent to you. You pick whatever you want every month.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So, so here. And my wife was explaining to me and then she got on the phone, she told me, but I'm like, honey, do you spend that much per month on clothes? And we went back and forth and she's, she made a couple good points. She's like, you know, there's a lot of things I'll buy. I'll warm once or twice and they'll stay in the closet.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Forever.

[Justin Andrews]

She goes, something like this. I could have very few clothes in the closet. And, and there's, there's different packages there. There's one where you could do like three things a month, which is less. And you'll pick three things, they'll send it to you. Now you got three or six outfits or whatever. Especially if you're working.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, this is just like the one that. This is what Mark Randolph talked about. Remember he gives the analogy of the girl and he talks about like her idea with that. Yeah. You borrow clothes. I like the one where you. So you basically you pay a monthly fee, like similar. I don't know what the price was. And there's lots of different brands that do this and they send you a trunk every month and you keep what you want to keep and you but

[Justin Andrews]

they pick what they send you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, no, you can pick two. Oh, oh, yeah, you can, you can. They have a catalog like this and you go like, I want, I want to try this, this, this, this. And you get to try. You keep all of it. You keep none of it.

[Adam Schafer]

Provide like a tailor to you. Yes. And then. Yeah, they actually coach you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And so. And some of them are like these really high end brands. So if you like, want to, like, before you spend a thousand dollars on this outfit, you could get it, try it on, wear it. If you like it. You don't.

[Justin Andrews]

So what I was thinking about something like this. So let's say you did something because I, after we got off the phone, because I kind of poo pooed it at first when I was on the phone with her. But I thought more and more, I'm like, okay, you imagine you're, you are a professional. Like, you work an office job and you have to wear professional clothes.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Like, you could, you could pay 90 bucks a month. It's a write off. It's a write off. And you get six new outfits every month or whatever that. I'm like, this is kind of brilliant. I wonder how well these companies are doing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean, you have to know they're doing great because there's so many of them.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean, I didn't know any of the ones. I didn't know that one. But I've seen, I've seen already multiple ones myself.

[Adam Schafer]

Been doing this one for a long time.

[Justin Andrews]

Has she? Yeah, she does it, huh?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I bet.

[Justin Andrews]

Are there any for guys? Probably. Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, there is.

[Adam Schafer]

There are. I haven't done it because I'm kind of partial to buying my own.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't have, like, I wouldn't wear six different outfits every month. I just wouldn't. Yeah, yeah. Adam would.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No. Yeah. This is not my style, though, to do it. Yeah, I don't, I, I, I prefer to put my stuff together. Yeah. Yeah. I rather go pick, pick, mix.

[Justin Andrews]

Fun, right?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. And it's also like, it's also my. No, it's my style. So, like, I don't want somebody styling.

[Justin Andrews]

Do you put your clothes on your bed?

[Adam Schafer]

Well, you know what's interesting about that?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I look at people in two different ways. So you're either a Pandora person or you're Spotify person. Oh, that being like, I'm curating my playlists and somebody else's curator.

[Justin Andrews]

Activate.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. Versus just, oh, feet, spoon, feed it to me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. I'm a Spotify person all day long. It's the exact same thing too. Yeah. I want to. I want to pick, like.

[Justin Andrews]

So do you do that before work? Do you put, like, on your bed, do you put, like, shirt.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I try to. So I always.

[Justin Andrews]

The day before that. You do.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I don't always do. Especially now that the way my closet is designed, I don't need to because the way it's organized, but I try to do that because what I. It saves me time in the morning.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

If I lay my outfit out the night before I do, then it, like, saves me 15 minutes. Otherwise, what will happen sometimes is I go, ah, what do I.

[Justin Andrews]

You spend a lot of time on, like, your outfit for the next thing?

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, definitely not. No, no, no.

[Adam Schafer]

It's literally sometimes the morning I'll look at, but nah, then I'll change it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I try. I. It makes a difference when I do it. Like, it. It saves me time in the morning. I'll get to work 15 minutes early by having it already laid out.

[Adam Schafer]

It's been a huge hack for me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it is a. It's a. It's a. It's a hack.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, it's my favorite thing is that. And I'm.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Does your mom still lay yourself?

[Justin Andrews]

I have her come over.

[Adam Schafer]

Is this good?

[Justin Andrews]

Mom, what should I wear? My wife won't do it for me. I wish she would. We go to, like, functions, you know, like. Like family functions. And she's like, she knows what she's wearing and everything. And I'll be like, what am I wearing? She's like, I don't know. Damn, girl. Like, you're supposed to pick up my clothes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I do it for Katrina.

[Justin Andrews]

My.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You pick her mad. You know, I can't even compliment my wife the way she looks. You're just complimenting yourself.

[Adam Schafer]

You really put together.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Yeah, honey. Yesterday I told her you look hot. Yesterday. She's like, you're only saying that because everything I'm wearing is everything you've.

[Justin Andrews]

Dude. Dude. How funny was that yesterday?

[Adam Schafer]

Good job.

[Justin Andrews]

What were we talking. What were we talking about? Where Adam is, like, low key trying to get us to compliment him. Remember yesterday, the meeting?

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's about knowing the business number so well. Yeah, he said a couple numbers.

[Adam Schafer]

Perfect.

[Justin Andrews]

He's. First it came out and I already thought. I'm like, wow, that's pretty interesting. I. I was, like, thinking about. I was gonna say something about it. Then you said a couple comments because you were like, can someone, like, recognize that? I accurately.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I gave.

[Justin Andrews]

He finally said, he claims Weirdo

[Sal Di Stefano]

Sal and Katrina both Claim that they were gonna say something thing. You both were. I gave you plenty of opportunity to go like, damn, bro, you're so brilliant. I cannot believe how brilliant you are.

[Justin Andrews]

I see that to you all the time, dude.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, I'm g. Give it to myself.

[Justin Andrews]

I love letting my 3 year old dress herself. That's the best.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh. Oh, wow.

[Justin Andrews]

That's funny.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, it's like, does she sometimes wear like galos and like, bro, she'll come

[Justin Andrews]

out, she'll come out with like a tutu and a rain jacket and like shoes and then she just comes out, she's like ready to go.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So do either one of you see your. Yourself and your kids when it comes to that type of stuff? Like, does one of your kids like, totally not care like you are that or there's one of your kids that like, that's how they would dress is how you dress. Like, do you see that in either of your any.

[Justin Andrews]

My son, my 5 year old is, is kind of stereotypical. Like he'll wear a shirt because he likes to like, it's Godzilla. Like, I'm going to wear this shirt or something like that. Yeah, my daughter, she likes that too. But she's, she's eclectic. She'll go and like put her clothes together and. My son, you got to kind of like go get dressed, dude. Like, you're in your pajamas. Go put a shirt on.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, yeah, Max wore pajamas all day. Yeah. But he's actually really particular about what he wears. Like, he, he's. I think it's hilarious.

[Justin Andrews]

Like you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, he's got that is like, she's. That Katrina always graduates. Like, your son is too much. Like, I don't want to wear that. It doesn't look good. Doesn't look right there. Or he'll tell her, go ask daddy if I could do that. Yeah, yeah, she'll call me. She goes, Max wants to know if he can wear these sweats with this shirt. Yeah, that looks good. Okay, I'll wear it.

[Justin Andrews]

Hilarious. And my three year old, she, she's, she watches this show called Super Kitties. So like these cat. These little cats that are like superheroes. Have you seen it?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Max watches.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. All right, so I'm not a fan of it.

[Justin Andrews]

Why? It's a good show. It's a girl show.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it's a girl show. He's got two shows that one and then the other one that I don't like. That's like a kid. That girl's girls kid. I'm like, whatever, dude, let him watch it.

[Justin Andrews]

But you don't say that to him, right?

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, I don't say that to him. I'm just like, what do you want to watch? And. Because we don't watch a lot. And then he gravitates that. I'm like, really? Of all the things we can watch, that's what we're gonna watch?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, anyway. Well, we'll play. I'll put EDM on, and then my kids like to run, and I chase them to edm. It's this thing we've been doing since they were really little. But my daughter. It's. You know what it is? They'll wait for the drop. They'll be like, they'll wait for the drop, and then they'll take off. Yeah, but my daughter will run. She'll jump, and she'll land in this weird position and stay in this, like, down position. And I was trying to figure out, like, what is she doing?

[Adam Schafer]

Most Italian thing.

[Justin Andrews]

Why is that Italian?

[Adam Schafer]

Chasing your kids to eat?

[Sal Di Stefano]

For sure. And his wife beat her, too.

[Justin Andrews]

But she'll stay in this, like, down position. I'm like, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, she's in, like, a superhero position. You know, when they land.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And she'll just wait. She'll just sit there and wait. What are you doing? She's like, I have superpowers. All right, let's go.

[Sal Di Stefano]

He made the mistake of doing. Like, I remember when I like doing something that they love, that you're like, now you're just trapped into doing it all the time.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You're like, I did this. I remember when. I'm so glad Max finally grew out of it, because we did it for, I don't know how many years, but at one point, I. We had like, those little, you know, kind of laser light things that they were part of some Christmas thing or Easter, I have no idea. But we had them laying around, and I put on music in the closet, and, you know, oh, yeah, dance party. You know, when we have a dance party in closet, it was like, oh, God. I had to do that for every day for at least a year and a half, two years. And I remember, like, God, let this trend in, please. Like, thought it was so cute and fun when I did it the one time. You know what I'm saying? And then it became a thing, like, all the time to do that.

[Justin Andrews]

Have you. Have you figured out, like, a lazy way to, like, play?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, when you lay down, play.

[Adam Schafer]

That's like, the whole building fort thing was, like, great. It was like, such a hack. You know, like on the weekends we like build for every weekend, every day. And then it was just this huge mess in our living room that was

[Justin Andrews]

always just like couch cushions and stuff.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And everything was all. Yeah. Disheveled and.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

And I love it because they were like, would they be sitting in there, you know, like coloring or whatever?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, just like, oh, it's a blast. I love doing that stuff. Yeah, it makes a big mess. But, you know, like this morning I was. My son and my wife were eating breakfast and he's like, come here. I want. I want you here. Give me a hug. I want. And he wouldn't let me go to work. He's like, give me a hug. No, stay here. And I'm kind of like, oh, I gotta go, buddy. And she looks at me, she's like, this. He's not gonna be doing this forever. Like, she reminds me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, there's a. I saw this.

[Justin Andrews]

He's not gonna. It's true.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I saw this great clip on Instagram to your point you're making right now. And it was an exercise that we all should do. And it was basically pretending to be the 75 year old you writing a letter to the 46 or whatever you are right now. You know about your day and everything like that. And like that's. The letter goes like, you know, start it from the morning, get up. You know, my son comes running in and jump. And like in writing a letter to yourself of all these things in those moments. And it's just like, there's obviously going to come a time when like he doesn't run in your room anymore and jump on your bed. And it's like you may find it annoying sometimes when it's 6 o' clock in the morning and you just want to sleep, it's like there's going to be a time when you're like, man, I wish that was happening right now.

[Adam Schafer]

When it's tree book, man.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Kills me.

[Justin Andrews]

Kills you. Like hugging.

[Adam Schafer]

So depressed when I read that even

[Justin Andrews]

just hugging and holding your son, at some point, your teenage son isn't going to want like just hug dad all the time. Yeah, so.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, I sneak him, dude. Still do.

[Justin Andrews]

You still do. Or does it turn into wrestling though?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, probably.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Who are the. Who are the two boys? Who. Who the two boys is most likely to cuddle up next to you and watch a movie?

[Adam Schafer]

Everett ever.

[Justin Andrews]

He's the youngest.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is it just because he's the youngest? Or is he. Or is it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, he's. I mean, we Hang out probably the most. Like, he's most like me in terms of, like, what I like to watch on TV or, like, what I like to do. Like, so it's.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

But, you know, I'll. I'll find my way. I actually, personally, like, go into Ethan's room the most. Like, I go in there to try to, you know, get in his world, but we're not. Like, I. I'm into a lot of what he's into, but, like, it's just easy. Like, Everett's kind of always.

[Justin Andrews]

Do you go into Ethan's room and, like. Like, just have to sit there a little bit and wait for, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Teenagers. Like that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, we got. Yeah. But I mean, he's.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a lot easier now because I've been consistently more, like, you know, kind of inserting myself into his world in there and trying to understand. But, yeah, it's. It's taking work, dude. Like, because it comes. It was funny because it comes easy to. Courtney and him have a real tight relationship, and it's. You know, and they've had that ever since. He was, like, real little. So I was like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Do you attribute to that? Because was there, like, a moment in, like, time where you felt like you had to. You consciously went like, oh, I need to, like, actively go. Yeah, seek that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I felt it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, do you remember what it was? How old he was or, like, at what point you had to, like, really start doing that? Where it's like, oh, wow, if I don't start.

[Justin Andrews]

Probably 14 years ago.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Because they start hanging out on their own.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, he just started.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Once he started isolating himself in his room, that's where I really started to kind of come in.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I'm sure there's probably a little bit too, like, you. There's a part of you that wants to give them space, but then at the same. So you probably. You probably wrestle a little bit with that initially. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I mean, I. Yeah, I didn't want to intrude. I tried to.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Come in, like, and just ask him questions and, like, try to be excited about what if he's working on something or if he's, like, playing a game. Like, that's the thing, too, about, like, you know, it's a hard thing to balance when it's like, you want, like, exactly what's perfect, like, in terms of screen time or, like, if you're playing video games or you're doing this or.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But.

[Adam Schafer]

But also too, like, you know, you want to understand they have interests. And then, like, peer into that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Why.

[Adam Schafer]

Why do you like this? And then he explains the whole thing, and then it's.

[Justin Andrews]

It.

[Adam Schafer]

I don't know, it gives it a little more context for me.

[Justin Andrews]

It's crazy because when I was a kid, so I. I never had a relationship with my dad where we, like, talk. Like we sit and talk about things. Right. And I remember it wasn't actually not that long ago I was talking with somebody and it hit me like a. Like a truck. I was like, my dad used to take me to work with him and make me do work with him because that's how he bonded with me. He didn't know how to bond with his kids, with his sons in particular, any other way, because that's what he knew as a kid, is he worked. And he would take me out to the backyard. He'd take me out to go to. On construction sites to work. And that's how he bonded with us. Because there was a period there when I was a kid, I wasn't helping him. Like, you know, 11. How much can you help your dad when you're 10? Yeah. More than anything, I'm kind of getting in his way. Right. But he took me anyway. And it was because that's how he knew how to.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Which is not what you think when you're 10. You think he's like his burden that you're.

[Justin Andrews]

Or he just wants me to learn how to work.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Reality is my. This is my dad's attempt at bonding.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Sure.

[Justin Andrews]

With his kid. I remember when I. When it hit me like a truck, I was like, oh, dang.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That was he really. I think about this a lot because. Because Max is only going to be seven, Right. So, like, what's he going to be like when he hits those teenage years with the way he has his relationship with Katrina and I. There's certain things that I'm like. I think that's obvious, right? Like, I think when. When it comes to, like, emotional stuff or where he's sharing something, I think probably he'll. He's going through. He's more likely to probably go to his mom. I have a feeling that.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't know, bro, because you're. You're pretty good at that. You're pretty good at talking to guys in that way. I think when he's a teenage boy, he's pro. He might want to talk to Dad.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I don't know. That's why I think about it a lot.

[Justin Andrews]

It's like, you're a close guy.

[Adam Schafer]

It's A good point. Like, I actually got closer to Ethan as he became a teenager because he didn't want mom's advice.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right.

[Adam Schafer]

In that. A lot of other directions. So.

[Justin Andrews]

And you're not like a kind of guy that's like closed.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, no, I'm definitely not. And we're super tight, right? So we're super tight and close. I just say that because I think I noticed, like, like, for example, I. When he went and did the soccer thing, he was expressing to his mom, he was concerned that she. That I saw him cry. You know what I'm saying? So it's like. So there's definitely a side of him that's more open to showing the vulnerability and the. Okay. Being okay with that, where I'm like more trying to get him to dust, you know, dust it off and keep going. There's no reason for us to cry about that come on, keep going type of deal. And so I wonder if when it comes to things like that, that he's more emotional or scared or about. Will he be vulnerable enough to Sherry or does it want to not show that side? So it'll be interesting to see that as it unfolds. You're right, though. I mean, I feel like I, I definitely.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, you're not like, you're not gonna be one of those dads.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, you know, I communicate with him and that's, that's your personality. And we're very, very close and so. But I do expect that there's going to be, at some point he's going to gravitate to each of us for different things. Right. Like, I mean, I think we both are close to him, but it'll be one on one.

[Justin Andrews]

Time is super important because there's a dynamic with the family, which is good, but there's a different dynamic when you. Like I just experienced it with my daughter and my, even my 5 year old. When you go off with just them. No 100%, it's a totally different dynamic.

[Sal Di Stefano]

This is something that we try. We've, we've continued to foster since he was very little is, you know, we call boys day and you know, probably once a month.

[Justin Andrews]

Aurelius calls it just the men's.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Yeah. A dedicated day that, that it's just him and I, you know, and stuff. And we, we do, we do. And so my goal is to always maintain that, you know what I'm saying is, and if I do hopefully do a good job of doing that as he ages, that it keeps that.

[Justin Andrews]

Did I tell you guys What Aurelius has started. I have to like walk him back because he likes to do this thing where he'll jump on you out of nowhere. And I love it. He jumps on me and nowhere. We wrestle. But he does it to his mom and he hurts her because he's getting big now, right? He'll jump on her. She gets, you can't do that to me. And so I tell him like, you can't do that to your mom. You can't do that to your older sister. Because my 16 year old, who do it to her too. You can't do that to our niece who's 18. I said, you can do that to me. I said, you got to be more soft and gentle with women. So now of course she's like, you know, mom, women are weak. So I can't do that. That's not what I said, dude. So, yeah, I can't jump on your

[Sal Di Stefano]

mom because women are weak like Katrina has. She puts the brakes on that real quick with him because he'll do that. He'll get like that and she'll, hey, that's. You do that with your dad. You don't do that with me. She stops it really fast. Like the roughhouse stuff. That's, that's your dad. You know, you don't, you don't rough house with mom. You know what I'm saying? So she's, she stopped that early on.

[Justin Andrews]

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[Podcast Host/Announcer]

First question is from FitLife with Jen 13. Does strength training when you're pregnant correlate to strong babies?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, this is a great question. So I actually looked up studies on this. There's not a lot of studies on this specific thing. But there are studies on health and what they find is when mom is fit and healthy, when she exercises, babies tend to be healthier and more resilient. Now there is some evidence, very little.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Some evidence you have to be programming those epigenetics.

[Justin Andrews]

I was just. So we'll get there because I agree we'll speculate, but there is some evidence that if you train for endurance or for strength or whatever that you may actually create a child that is more of those pass on adaptations.

[Adam Schafer]

Adaptation.

[Justin Andrews]

Personally, it makes sense to me because. Okay, so we have good evidence on this. What a mother will eat will actually influence a baby's palate and what foods they actually start to crave. It makes sense because when the baby's in utero, it is, it is adapting to what potential environment it may come into. Okay. So really stressed out mom, baby becomes more hyper vigilant. Right. Calm environment. Baby becomes more calm. I believe that if, if the mom is strength training, the signal that's being sent to the baby is we're going to be lifting heavy things. The, whatever. The environment that we're being born into requires more strength. So we're probably going to need to turn on the genetics or move the genetics in a direction that contribute to more strength. So I definitely, I would, I would, I would, I would bet money I,

[Sal Di Stefano]

I believe this, I 100 believe that this plays a role both the nutrition, exercise.

[Justin Andrews]

It doesn't override like overall genetics.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I also think that, I think that what you said about common stress is, is paramount too. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh for sure. That's that they know that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I think, I think that main and, and maybe arguably even more important than being strong during your pregnancy, it would be maintaining, you know, calmness and like, I just think that plays a huge, a huge role in the, in the kid.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, just seeing too like how the mother's milk changes, like depending upon like their needs and like their deficiencies and all of that. It adjusts on the fly.

[Justin Andrews]

So if it's that wild. Yeah. When a baby's sick.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

The, the. It's like the body senses it when

[Sal Di Stefano]

they put them different from the morning to the night. It's different. I mean that's not out of the

[Adam Schafer]

question to think that. Yeah, they pass them.

[Justin Andrews]

But I'll say this, like here. So here's the, the, I guess the hesitation. Right. Don't think as a mom, like I'm going to go crazy with strength training to produce this like super. You can very easily overdo it. It has to be appropriate. And we talk about this all the time with strength training during pregnancy and you're the PRs, and that happens before pregnancy. Maintaining during pregnancy, you're training in a very smart, appropriate way. And the main thing you should focus on is, is this going to help me with my delivery and my postpartum recovery? That's the most important thing to consider with your exercise routine.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Next question is from Cornell FG82. Do you lose an adaptation when you start a new phase with a new focus?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, to an extent. To an extent you do. Not a lot, but. Or not all of it. But if you always train, let's say in the 1 to 3 rep range and then you move to a phase where you're training the 20 rep range, will you lose some adaptation to that 1 to 3 rep range? You will, because there's a skill involved,

[Adam Schafer]

percentage of it, yes, for sure.

[Justin Andrews]

You're not losing a ton of it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So small though, I mean, this is kind of the conversation that we had earlier about, you know, encouraging people to do novel stimulus. Like there's this fear, I think this is where this comes from of like, you know, if I stop, you know, focusing on, you know, bench fat, bench press and I go do this, you know, dumbbell, you know, incline press all the time, will I not be able to bench press very well? It's like, I mean, you might see a small, for temporary. As soon as you get back to that, it'll, you'll get that and some back. So there's a small step back, but it's very, very small. And it's, and it's in pursuit of taking two steps forward, you know.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, and exactly. I think this only matters if you're training for a specific lift or specific type of sport. Like you're going to compete and your lift is the squat. You might not want to move away from that particular squat, at least not before competition because you want to lose any adaptation to it. But I mean, I experienced this recently. I recently started deadlifting relatively regularly. I'd say like once a week or once every week. And when I'm feeling pretty strong, my deadlift, historically, I'll pull 550, 560. My best was of all time was 605, but 550, 560, I'm doing pretty well and I hadn't deadlifted for a long time, but I was doing box squats, I was doing lots of other exercises. So I started pulling again and within, I don't know, like five weeks, five or six weeks, I was up to be able to pull 550. I was able to get it back up there, but week one was like 500. So there definitely was a difference in my motivation.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Next question is from the FitLife Lawyer. How effective do you think a workout program written by AI is?

[Justin Andrews]

This is a good question. And this is becoming more relevant by the day.

[Adam Schafer]

Interesting to hear you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I, I think the. So this is. It depends on how savvy you are with AI.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Because I think that the, the prompting. This is what we talk about too. The future of using AI, it has hinges on your ability to put. Prompt it.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Because I've seen terrible advice come from AI and then I've seen wonderful advice come from the AI.

[Adam Schafer]

Your bias dictates it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Exactly. And so if you don't know how to prompt it correctly or really like just simply saying, like, produce me a workout, blah, blah, blah, if you do a generic prompt like that, then you're gonna get a generic workout. But if you know how to prompt

[Justin Andrews]

it really well, like 49 year old female, I worked, you know, this many hours. I sleep with this much.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right.

[Justin Andrews]

Here's my hormone. I have a. I have a bad hip or whatever.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right.

[Justin Andrews]

Then you might get better.

[Adam Schafer]

You're feeding a ton of data and. Yeah, very.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's awesome. I've played around with it and see what I can do with it. It's. But I'm prompting it and I'm prompting it from the perspective of a trainer's mind.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And so I think you can get great stuff off of it.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, here's the thing too. I mean, you can get free workout. You've been able to get free workouts online for a long time. So I don't think this is like some huge.

[Adam Schafer]

It's not a breakthrough.

[Justin Andrews]

No, it's not. It's better than you guessing, I guess. But here's what it won't do. It will not replace a personal trainer. The value of a personal trainer is not that they write you a good workout. That's not the value. That's like one little thing that they do. The big value is their ability to guide and coach you and adjust on the fly and know how to guide you like a smart guide, taking you through this journey of fitness. And until AI is indistinguishable from a human and looks like a human and gives you that same contact and connection, all that stuff, it's just not going to come close to it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

By the way too. I mean, I'm on this kick ever since I heard that Interview with the diary CEO. It's not really AI who's writing that program. It's the Internet's ability to scour the Internet of all the data of other smart trainers that have put out all this information, and it's aggregating all that and giving you a response.

[Adam Schafer]

Dumb.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, that's. It's, it's just, that's what. It's. So you could technically, to your point, Google search and find right before AI a. A good workout program that for free, 100% you can. So that, that's how the, the, the AI got it from that. It's. It just, it's. It's scouring.

[Adam Schafer]

Ripped it off.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it's scouring the Internet for you. And it'll. It'll hopefully get you the good one if you prompt it correctly. If you don't prompt it correctly, it might just get you the most popular, the most searched, or the most shared one. And so how you prompt it will dictate how good of a program that that was. That already exists on the Internet that you will actually.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, here's the deal. If someone asked me to write them a program and I didn't have the opportunity to train them, right. So I'm not their trainer. I'm just talking to them and, hey, I'd like a good workout for me. I'm gonna ask them a lot of questions before I can give them a workout. Yeah. I'm not just gonna be like, here's a good workout for you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, exactly.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, it's gonna be like, okay, well, tell me about your lifestyle. Tell me about your goals. What's your past history of exercise? What does your sleep look like? How about your diet? You know, what's your age? And then I'm gonna write out a more accurate or appropriate workout for the. Even though it's a general workout that's gonna be good for them.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, that's what's interesting about AI too. It's not asking you all.

[Justin Andrews]

No, it doesn't.

[Adam Schafer]

That's why you have to literally insert that every step.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's what the prompting. I mean by that, that's the, like,

[Adam Schafer]

you know, they don't know what they don't know.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right. You, you are. What you're alluding to is your trainer brain knows what to ask all the right questions. Before, if someone said, I want give me a workout program to build the most strength, you know, and you, you wouldn't just go like, oh, here it is.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. And you would never do that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You would go, you know, Tell me about your sleep.

[Adam Schafer]

That's your experience.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, tell me what your street, tell me about what you do during the day. Like what's your work life look like, what's your stress levels, what's your calorie? I mean you'd ask a whole host of questions and then you from those you would give the best generic workout program that you could give that person. And so the person that's prompting the AI needs to know those questions that that trainer would ask them in order to prompt it efficiently to get something that is really good. And yes you could if you knew how to do that. But if you don't, then I mean just Google search, you know, top 10 workouts, same thing.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Next question is from Matthew. You in this with your guys? I've identified an imbalance in my hips that's throwing off my form during lower body exercises and causing back pain. What can I do to correct this imbalance and stop further injury?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Symmetry.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I was gonna say without knowing the specific type of like where the pain is, watching your technique and form, noticing the imbalance or seeing what the imbalance looks like, it's hard for me to give you specific, impossible for me to give you specific advice. That being said, unilateral exercise is a great kind of catch all. It does a pretty remarkable job at solving these issues for people when they go to do as unilateral exercise. Start with the good side and then try to copy that with the bad side. And then from then on use the bad side.

[Adam Schafer]

Expose all the compensation so it becomes more clear and obvious where you're unstable, which you're going to, going to be weak in those areas which we need to strengthen. So you know it too just like that split stance or, or you know, just, just being able to control your body from that perspective. Then you go back to bilateral stance and it's like you're reinforced.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So I mean you're right, we don't have a lot or enough information to give like precise or perfect. But I'll give you some pretty spot on advice that I think if you follow you'll see a significant difference and that is get really good at 90 90s and the, and the discrepancy from the left to the right. Because what I can guess right away without seeing you do 99 is you're gonna probably notice on one side you're way more proficient than the other side. So work at getting those equally balanced out in your 9090s and work through map symmetry. You do those two things and I bet you we we make huge progress in this direction.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep. Look, if you like Mind Pump, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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