2844: You're Destroying Your Bones Without Knowing It, Here's the Fix

Summary

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth

Episode 2844: You're Destroying Your Bones Without Knowing It, Here’s the Fix
April 25, 2026

Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Summary by Podcast Expert

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the often-overlooked issue of bone health and bone density, confronting myths around osteoporosis, exercise, diet, and age. The Mind Pump crew uses personal experience, research studies, and live coaching calls to reveal how your everyday choices might be hurting your bones, and what you can do—at any age, and regardless of gender—to “fix” it. The conversation ranges from the superior benefits of strength training, misunderstandings about medications, the nutrition x bone density connection, as well as broader themes around health, discipline, and training at all ages.

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Main Theme

How lifestyle—including strength training and nutrition—directly impacts bone health and density, and how the right (or wrong) habits can literally make or break your bones as you age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Stark Reality of Bone Density Loss

(03:44–05:29)

• Bone loss by gender:
  • Women can lose 30–50% over a lifetime; up to 20% lost rapidly during menopause
  • Men lose 20–30%, slower until the end of life
• Connection to mortality:
  • “This is devastating... This is actually very strongly connected to mortality.” — Adam (04:14)
• Menopause's hormonal effects:
  • Hormone changes play a role, but not as strong as some lifestyle interventions

Quote @ 04:14:

“For women... as she gets into menopause, it kicks up fast, whereas for a man it’s a very slow process. But this is a really big deal...very strongly connected to mortality.” – Adam

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2. The Strength Training Solution

(05:29–13:23)

• Strength training: the “antidote” for bone loss
  • Study: Women who strength-trained gained 3% bone over 8 months; control group lost 1.2% during the same time
• Strength training beats cardio
  • Running offers minor lower body bone maintenance; strength training affects the spine and upper body, too
• Personal Case Studies:
  • Adam’s clients reversed osteoporosis with just once-a-week strength training plus nutrition
  • Even minimal, appropriate-weight lifting can yield major benefits, regardless of age or hormone status

Quote @ 05:29:

“If bone density loss is poison, the direct antidote is lifting weights or strength training.” – Adam (05:29)

• Consistency is everything
  • Proper strength training paired with adequate calories/protein will work at any age/status
  • Caution: low-calorie intake—even with exercise—can result in low bone density, especially in women

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3. Nutrition’s Underrated Role

(11:19–13:23; 18:07–18:38; 84:00–89:37)

• Strength training must be paired with:
  • Adequate calories — NOT chronic under-eating
  • High enough protein intake
  • Chronic dieting/starvation is directly tied to osteoporosis risk, even in active people
  • Especially crucial for women (but also men)

Quote @ 11:44:

“Which—I think you could starve yourself into osteoporosis no matter what.” — Adam

• Practical application:
  • Focus on muscle-building protocols: “The things that you do to build muscle are the same that build bone.” – Adam (12:10)

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4. Falls, Fractures & Strength as You Age

(16:01–19:56)

• Falls and fractures in aging:
  • Serious falls can quickly spiral into mortality in older adults
  • It’s more about muscle weakness than balance system decline
• Older adult training:
  • Even single weekly sessions can result in profound improvements in function and independence.
  • Training improves quality of life: “I closed the trunk of my car by myself for the first time.” – Client story @ 20:44

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5. Hormones, Menopause & Early Onset

(13:23–14:58)

• Early menarche (first period) & menopause trends are shifting, affected by:
  • Overeating/high body fat (early menarche)
  • Under-eating/overtraining/high stress (early menopause)

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6. Notable Study Breakdowns

(21:03–23:42)

• Dose supplement study: All-natural ingredients improved LDL (95% of participants), triglycerides (90%), and cholesterol (81%) after 3 months.
  • Ingredients: AMLA fruit, pomegranate extract, ginger, turmeric, coQ10, lycopene, black pepper, niacin, folate etc.
• Eating the same thing daily: People who ate a consistent diet lost more weight, likely because of reduced food palatability and more consistent calorie tracking. (48:04–49:11)

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7. Q&A: Live Coaching Segments

Randy (Caller, 58:32–69:28):

• Problem: Plateaued results after switching to MAPS Anabolic program; made better progress with lower volume, heavier lifts.
• Solution: Volume of traditional MAPS Anabolic was too high; lower volume, strength-based training with enough calories works better for some, especially large/more active people.
• Advice: Switch between powerlifting and performance routines, but don’t overdo volume.

Quote @ 62:06:

“For a lot of people, MAPS Anabolic is going to be appropriate volume, but sometimes it’s too much...for some cases you’ll see, especially as people get into middle age or have other stresses…” — Adam

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Melissa & Easton (Mother & Son, 72:10–80:58):

• Goal: Summer training program for active 13-year-old son and fitness-focused mom.
• Advice:
  • Focus on strength-training together, preferably with MAPS Powerlift if dropping other high-intensity classes
  • Protein intake and sleep are crucial for teens: Don’t skip breakfast, hit target bodyweight in grams of protein daily.
  • Practical: Use high-protein snacks for breakfast, like protein cereal or cottage cheese + protein powder.

Quote @ 77:08:

“At your age, plus follow MAPS Powerlift...you’ll go back to school...and everyone’s gonna look at you like ‘what happened to you?!’” — Adam, to Easton.

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Tiffany (Hip Surgery Prep, 81:47–95:40):

• Case: Active woman with hip dysplasia and upcoming surgery but low bodyweight.
• Advice:
  • Main Focus: Go into surgery with more muscle and higher body fat, even if it means eating past comfort zone.
  • Bone density test (DEXA scan) highly recommended to rule out under-eating impacts.
  • Add in gentle strength training and isometric, lateral, and stability work pre-surgery.

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Heather (Career Change to Trainer, 96:48–108:14):

• Background: Athletic training degree, supplement industry experience, wants to become a Mind Pump coach without direct client training.
• Team advice:
  • What matters most is character, alignment with Mind Pump’s philosophy, and a willingness to learn/prove commitment—more than degrees or certifications.
  • Elite Trainer Academy is recommended before even NASM, as it is more specialized to Mind Pump’s approach.
  • Remote coaches possible, but in-person (California) offers more opportunities for career advancement.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If bone density loss is poison, the direct antidote is lifting weights or strength training.” – Adam (05:29)
• “I’ve had several clients...reversed osteoporosis with just once a week strength training.” – Adam (07:29)
• “You could starve yourself into osteoporosis no matter what.” – Adam (11:44)
• “The things that you do to build muscle are the same protocols that build bone.” – Adam (12:10)
• “I closed the trunk of my car by myself for the first time.” – Client story told by Adam (20:44)
• “One day a week of proper strength training—miraculous. Two days a week—perfect, you’re done.” – Adam (17:39)
• “The only mistake you can make is if you do too much.” – Adam (69:17)
• “Discipline is so important for young men… If you start to figure that out at 13, you’re so far ahead of your peers.” – Adam (81:20)
• “Go into surgery with more muscle and more body fat...at least 15-20 lbs heavier.” – Adam, surgery advice (89:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bone loss by gender, menopause hormones: 03:44–05:29
• Strength training vs. other exercise for bone: 05:29–13:23
• Nutrition and bone density: 11:19–13:23; 84:00–89:37
• Falls in aging, importance of strength in older adults: 16:01–19:56
• Caller Randy – calorie & volume, individual programming: 58:32–69:28
• Adolescent + Adult family training advice: 72:10–80:58
• Hip surgery prehab and bone density advice: 81:47–95:40
• Career shift to Mind Pump coaching: 96:48–108:14

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Final Takeaways

• Bone health is a lifelong project.
  Strength training (even minimal amounts, consistently) + sufficient nutrition = best protection and reversal for bone density loss—far exceeding cardio or even many medications.
• Nutrition is foundational.
  Chronic low-calorie or low-protein dieting compromises bones even with exercise, especially for women.
• Individualize your training.
  More is not always better—tune nutrition, volume, and recovery to your needs, age, and stress levels.
• Strength, not just cardio, preserves independence and quality of life as we age.
• Discipline in youth training pays massive dividends.
• Opportunities to help people through fitness come from philosophy, empathy, and a willingness to grow—not just credentials.

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For anyone wanting actionable steps:

• Lift weights consistently (1–2x/week minimum)
• Don’t under-eat, especially protein
• Get your bone density checked, especially if you’re active but have a history of low calorie intake or injury
• Invest in community, habits, discipline—these add up as you age

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Transcript

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[Adam Schaefer]

On average, throughout your life, ladies, you're gonna lose between 30 to 50% of your bone density. And fellas, between 20 to 30% of your bone density. This is devastating. Here's the good news. There is a way to completely stop this process. In fact, many studies show reversal of bone density loss. We're gonna talk about that right now. It's a simple formula. If you apply it, it will work. Let's see.

[Sal Destefano]

This is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dang.

[Sal Destefano]

Whole lifetime.

[Adam Schaefer]

Whole lifetime. Now trip off this. For women, a woman can expect to lose about 20% of her bone density as she gets into menopause. It kicks up fast, whereas for a man it's a very slow process that speeds up towards the end. But this is a really big deal. This, this is actually very strongly connected to mortality.

[Sal Destefano]

What's your, what's your theory on the. The menopause hormones?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, the change in hormone levels affects bone density for women. So hormones play a role. Right. So if you put a woman on hormone replacement therapy, you tend to see an improvement in bone density. Not a huge improvement, but you'll see an improvement. But there is something that makes a huge improvement.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, yeah, I know. That's why I was. My follow up question that Is it'd be interesting to. If you compare that to somebody who just simply lifted weights and hit protein still hormonally all over the place going through. And I would imagine that even, even not with ideal hormone profile, but lifting weights and hitting protein intake, I would bet would still do fairly well.

[Adam Schaefer]

Very well. So I got a study here. I pulled up a bunch of studies on how effective strength training is for bone density because there is nothing more effective. So movement exercise in general has a positive effect, but it's modest at best. In fact, in some cases, they'll use running as an example, and you'll see a little bit of an improvement in the lower body, but none in the upper body. So bone density loss continues to happen in the spine. Upper body. Strength training is like the. Is the antidote. Antidote. So if bone density loss is poison, the direct antidote is lifting weights or strength training. And so they did a study for eight months. This is one study. There's lots of studies, but this is a randomized controlled trial with women who were around 65 years old. Okay. So these women were already. Already 65 years old. Here's what they found. In eight months, the women who did nothing saw their bone density go down in their lumbar spine by 1.2%. So in eight months, they already lost 1.2%. The ones that strength trained saw an increase of 3%.

[Heather]

Wow.

[Adam Schaefer]

So not only did it stop more than a 180, not only did it stop the 1% loss. This is only eight months, you guys. This is not. We're talking about five years, 10 years. This eight months, they lost 1%. Not only did it stop, went in the opposite direction.

[Justin Andrews]

They gained 3%, hormones were shifting. Do they test their sleep and all that as well?

[Adam Schaefer]

And yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't know. I haven't seen anything connected to that. But this study was. Were women with no, no hormone intervention, they didn't do anything with hormones.

[Sal Destefano]

This is just a testament to what that does by itself.

[Adam Schaefer]

Just lifting weight.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. I mean, this is also. Is what you've talked about. You tell the story many times about the, the lady that you reversed osteoporosis with. Right.

[Adam Schaefer]

I've had several. I've had several clients that I worked with.

[Sal Destefano]

So much of the doctors were like,

[Adam Schaefer]

yes, oh, my God, how is this possible? Yeah, so I've had. I've had several clients that I've worked with, was blessed to work, to work with because they were referred to me by doctors and they were all osteopenia and osteoporosis, the ones I'm referring to. And so they were being tracked through this process.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. Imagine being the doctor who just did tracked, saw that we'd lost 1% in the last eight months or whatever like that. And then all of a sudden their next checkup, six months later.

[Adam Schaefer]

So one of them was active. She walked all the time, she hiked all the time. She didn't do any strength training. She ate a healthy diet. Her bone density loss was accelerating. And the doctor was like, this is not like, we gotta do something about this. And they put her on these really powerful drugs. I think Fosamax might be the name of it. Maybe Dougie could look it up. Look up Fosamax, I think that was the one I remember it was like a infrequent shot she would take that would knock her out for like a couple days. Like she felt like garbage after taking it. It was like an immune, an immune drug and it just wasn't. Is that it right there?

[Doug]

Yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

How was that used? I'm trying to, I'm trying to think of, is it a shot or is it like once a. In a while it might have been something else. I'm not sure, but I remember it made her feel like garbage.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Afterwards.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Includes heartburn, nausea, constipation.

[Adam Schaefer]

It might have been something else, though. There was something strong. It was really strong. I don't, I don't, I don't know if it was Fosmax or something worse, but anyway, can't remember. I wish, I wish I could. But anyhow, her, her bone loss was so, it was so fast that it was like. I mean, it was scary. Yeah. Like for her, she was like, I'm going to break if I can't figure this out. So we started strength training once a week. I mean, that was it. She was a professor, wonderful woman. And we just lifted weights once a week. And it looked like this. Okay, like three exercises. Yeah. Like, and it started like this. Sit down, stand up off a bench, you know, hold this two pound dumbbell straight up above your head and try to work on stability. Like it started super appropriate for her fitness. And, and then we would slowly progress it, you know, over time. And when she went to get her bone density test and it wasn't that much later after we started, it was like six months or something like that. The doctor is like, we got to redo the test. This doesn't make any sense. Like your bone density didn't just slow down, it went up and he's like, this must be wrong. Let's do another one. He did another one. It came back and he's like, this is crazy. What are you doing? She's like, well, I'm strength training, and I also worked on her diet, which we'll talk about.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, well, we always talk about muscles growing and tissue growing, but we don't really talk about bone growing.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Justin Andrews]

Result of that as well. It's the same process. It's. I'm trying to remember if it's Dr. Andrea Spina. He talked about, like, force being the communication of cells, that being the direct sort of impact based upon what we're communicating, to either grow or not grow.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, no, totally. Okay. That's. I think that was the medication there, Doug.

[Doug]

Yeah, Prolia, I believe it's called.

[Adam Schaefer]

What is it?

[Doug]

Prolia.

[Adam Schaefer]

Prolia. And yeah, that was like a once

[Doug]

every six months or so.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's it. That's the one. And she would feel horrible. Look at side effects.

[Doug]

Yeah, the side effects.

[Adam Schaefer]

Back pain, bone pain, pain in the extremities. That was the one right there. So anyway, her. The. The improvement was so good that. And then the doctor's like, oh, you're strength training. You must be, like, lifting weights all the time. She's like, I go once a week. Sometimes I miss.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So he gets on the phone with me and he's like, can I make. I want to make this a case study, because this is crazy to me. That's how effective strength training is. And that's, by the way, it's consistent. So anybody listening right now, who wants strong bones? The prescription of strength training properly and eating adequate. And eating adequate nutrition. Yeah. Okay. You got to do that. Is guaranteed to work.

[Sal Destefano]

That last bit, I think you have to. To reiterate, because it. I've seen cases with young women who strength train.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Consistently.

[Adam Schaefer]

But chronically under.

[Sal Destefano]

Chronically under. Eat. And bone density is really low.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

And so it's. It's not just straight. In fact, it's the appropriate amount of strength training paired with.

[Adam Schaefer]

You gotta. You gotta give your body nutrients to build.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Which I think you could starve yourself into osteoporosis no matter what.

[Sal Destefano]

Which. This is both men and women, but I find this more common with my female clients.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes. Because I've actually worked with women like this where they were in their 60s and they worked out bone density wasn't good. Lifting weights, and they're like, why is this happening? But they were skinny and their whole

[Justin Andrews]

life supplementing with calcium, but, yeah, their calories are still super low.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. There's one I can think of right now that I was just recently talking to, and she just. She's one of those women that's always been afraid of eating too much. She's always dieted. And I'm like, listen, you're doing everything right, but you're just not eating it. I think she was eating, like, 1400 calories a day. I'm like, you got to get it for, like, 2,000. And then watch what happens if you. The things that. That you do to build muscle or the protocol that builds muscle is the same protocol that builds bone. Yep. Like, think of it that way. So if you're like, I want to strengthen my bones. Strengthen your muscles. How do I strengthen my muscles? High protein, adequate calories. Don't under eat, lift weights, and then watch what happens. But this is. It's. It's so consistently effective, everybody. Like, this is scary for some people like this. I'm sure there's people watching right now who just got a report from their doctor that is saying, hey, you're in osteopenia. Like, this is not good. And that's a scary thing to hear from your doctor. And so you're like, oh, my God, what do I do? And then what they'll do is they'll present medications and, okay, try supplementing with this. And here's this thing, and there's like, there's a guaranteed formula, everybody. Like, this will work. It's not a question. If you lift weights properly and you eat adequately, you will see a positive impact.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

On your bone density.

[Justin Andrews]

Is there any, like, stats or data in terms of, like, women approaching perimenopause, menopause, like, earlier than, you know, past, like, it. Just thinking in terms of, like, you know, how, like, in terms of them, like, you know, getting their period earlier and, like, the environment and stress and, like, I've just. I've seen some. Some stats. Like, some kind of stats where they're talking about, like, that's happening a bit earlier.

[Adam Schaefer]

So there's two things you're asking. So, one, yes, girls are getting their periods earlier than in the past. Part of it is that we're overeating. So that's part of it. The other part of it is father not being at home. There seems to be a correlation without having a male presence. Interesting. Really? Yeah. Well, there's an evolutionary explanation. I don't know if this is right, but it's like, you. You are gonna. You get pregnant earlier, so that you and you have these, you become sexual earlier because that's how you can maybe get procure some safety. That's the evolutionary possible explanation. But there's a connection there. But it's some of its diet, like overeating and then early, early menopause or perimenopause is almost always connected to poor, like not eating enough and overstressed. So you'll see this like women who over train or who work crazy jobs or who have like high stress life plus undereating, poor sleep and then you'll see the hormones fall off.

[Justin Andrews]

I've seen a trend of earlier, like 30s, you know, like a lot earlier than I would have thought. Like that's the onset of it already.

[Sal Destefano]

Is it possible to build muscle and not improve bone density

[Adam Schaefer]

if real actual tensile, like, like muscle fiber?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, like.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, I think they're directly connected.

[Justin Andrews]

Right.

[Adam Schaefer]

If there's more tension on the brain.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. If you build, if you build muscle, you're going to improve bones.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I guess possible if we. With maybe myostatin drugs where the muscle just grows. But I don't, I don't know.

[Justin Andrews]

That'd be problematic though, right?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, no, I don't think so.

[Justin Andrews]

Imagine the beat.

[Sal Destefano]

The reason why I say that is because that's an easier thing for people to potentially focus on. Yeah, right. Like.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh yeah, because you could, you could lift weights and see that you're stronger.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's something that, Exactly. They're getting like real time feedback. You know, it's not. You don't go to the doctor and get a, you know, or go, yeah, get a bone density test every three to six months just so you can find out am I doing the right things. It's like if you are feeding your body properly, getting stronger in your workouts, you're more than likely going to be improving bone density.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes. And you know, the thing about this too is like when you look at causes of death, like the major causes are heart disease and cancer. Right. Diabetes is up there because it can lead to both. But what we don't see are falls and breaks and injuries that then lead to those things. So there's a saying in medicine. I remember I trained a lot of doctors and they said break it up.

[Justin Andrews]

Breaking the hip and diabetic dia.

[Adam Schaefer]

You know, if you break a bone and then you're incapacitated for a while and you're in your 70s, your health, it goes down a hill fast, like very quickly. And you see this, it's well observed, well documented. So the last thing you Want to do is fall down and break something. And by the way, falling down and losing your balance is less about your vestibular system. Like, it's less about the balance of the vestibular system and more about weakness. This is why people fall. So, yes, you can also lose your balance because of vertigo or, you know, the vestibular system being a bit off. That's. That can definitely happen. But more often than not, when people fall as they age, it's because they're weak, and weakness leads to instability and loss of balance. And so when you see someone who's older fall, it almost looks like they can't catch themselves and their body doesn't move fast enough. And then they kind of tip over like a tree. Yeah. And hit the ground. And that's just. They're just not. They just don't have the strength. And so strength training is, like, imperative. When you. When you look at all the factors that affect us as we age, like, one day a week of strength training. This is what. This is the best part about it. One day a week of proper strength training. Miraculous. Two days a week. Perfect. You're done.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, wasn't. Wasn't you brought up a study before? It's like once every two weeks just to.

[Adam Schaefer]

Just to not lose muscle.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, to just not lose muscle. I mean, it's very minimal to that you have to do to actually see you pausing for it. I. I can't stress, though, enough the wit paired with the nutrition, because I just think that a lot of people

[Justin Andrews]

gets overlooked a lot.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Especially with my female clients that have either yo yo died their whole life or kept their calorie intake so afraid of getting weight. Gaining weight. And so. And. And that's been the challenge that I had as a trainer was like, getting those clients to increase calories in conjunction with lifting weights. It's like, okay, we're doing the right things inside the gym. I know we are, because I'm training you. But I also need you to go and go after those calories, go after that protein intake to make sure that we go build.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And so that. That's so important to this. This process.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally. This is why one of the reasons why I used to love training people and we used to classify an advanced age. One of the.

[Sal Destefano]

We don't classify that anymore because you're in there.

[Adam Schaefer]

What was that? Advanced agent, 55 and older. Right. I think that's what the. The training manuals would say. And Doug, you're an advanced age. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

What's up that the cotton Top era. That's what we call silver sneakers.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, there you go. All the people listening right now, it's pissed about. No, the. One of the reasons why I like to train people in their late 60s, 70s and up was, you know, it's so rewarding as a trainer to work with a client and to see them, you know, lose weight, become healthier, more fit. You know, they like the way they look like. It's so rewarding to hear that. But when I would train people in their late 60s and 70s, the stuff they would come back with was so life changing. It wasn't like I lost 30 pounds. Like, that's, that could be life changing too. But it was like, I can go up the stairs.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. It's the abilities that they regain.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's.

[Justin Andrews]

It's so encouraging. Yeah. I've had old clients like that where it's like, you know, now I can, I can lift this and I can be independent and, and go to the grocery store and, you know, they could do all these things now, like, and they're self sufficient.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. I, I've told you guys a. I'll never forget. It was like, almost got me emotional. I had a woman that I trained in her 80s, and she walks in and she was deconditioned when she hired me. Her daughter hired me to train. And we'd been working together at this point for, I don't remember how long, a couple of years. Very basic stuff. Right. And again, late, I think mid to late 80s, and she walks into my studio and it wasn't a time that we were training. And I'm like, oh, did I mess up on the schedule? Whatever. I say, hey, what are you, what are you doing here? It's like, oh, I was grocery shopping next door and I had to come in and tell you something. I'm like, what is it? She goes, I closed the trunk of my car by myself for the first time. She goes, I always have to ask the bagger to load it and close it. She's like, but I reached up with my arm and I was able to close it. And she came in to tell me that.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And I remember we're like. And I had other trainers in there. We all kind of, you know, applauded and everything, but, you know, it's like so incredibly.

[Sal Destefano]

What's the saying? You don't, you don't realize how much you appreciate something until you don't have it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[Sal Destefano]

You know, it's like one of those simple things in life that we all probably take for granted until you don't have it and you can't do it anymore.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally.

[Sal Destefano]

And so super rewarding when you give it back to us.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right. Speaking of health, Doug, bring up that study from Dose. This is really cool. What is it on? So. So Dose is one of the companies we work with. They have two main products. One is for liver health, and the other one is for cholesterol and what they did. And this is what I like about Dose. So a lot of supplement companies will sell products for particular things. Dose actually invested in a study, like a legit clinical study. So it's like, does it actually work? Here's what they found in their 90 day clinical study. Read those results for me.

[Doug]

Yeah. So LDL, 95% of participants had an improvement. Triglycerides, 90% an improvement. And total cholesterol, 81%.

[Adam Schaefer]

Three months. Yeah, three months of.

[Sal Destefano]

Just by supplementing that with Dose.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's all natural. Read the ingredients, Doug. So, you know, people will go on a statin. They're, you know, with all kinds of side effects and stuff like that. This is a natural product. What are those ingredients there?

[Doug]

So, yes, it's AMLA fruit extract, inositol, pomegranate fruit extract, organic ginger, organic turmeric, coenzyme, coenzyme Q10, lycopene, black pepper extract.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So and you just take like a. Like a few ounces of it, 2 ounces of it, every single day. And the odds. The high odds are you'll see an improvement.

[Doug]

There's also niacin and folate and all of those.

[Sal Destefano]

90. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Isn't that great?

[Sal Destefano]

That's a huge.

[Adam Schaefer]

I love it when companies put out studies because then you're like, all right, is this gonna work? It's like, yeah, dude. Here, 90 days. Give it a shot. Yeah. Go get your blood test. Watch what happens. That's great.

[Sal Destefano]

I always think it's so cool when we have. We have. I mean, those are all things found in nature.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, that's. That's when it's awesome. I know.

[Justin Andrews]

Which is ideal.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, I think, too, when it comes to, like, certain things, like, like bud tests, there's a skepticism around supplements. It's like, okay, yeah, I know that supplements are good, but I think I need a medication.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, that's.

[Adam Schaefer]

My doctor says.

[Sal Destefano]

That's my point. It's just like we. We normally. You go to the doctor and.

[Adam Schaefer]

Or like a radical change in your lifestyle.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like, this is just. You take, you know, a few ounces of this day.

[Justin Andrews]

This gets downplayed all the time. You don't know the actual efficacy of it.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, I wonder what that. What those studies look like paired with some exercise.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. Do that with lifestyle changes.

[Sal Destefano]

It's like if that. That's just by. That's their study is just showing by adding that. It's like what happens when you add one day or two days of strength training per week.

[Adam Schaefer]

Totally.

[Sal Destefano]

And a walk every other day or something like that person probably. I mean, that number.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, I. I mean, of course, truth be told, I got people to improve their. Their blood lipids without supplements. Just exercise and diet. That's just a bigger thing to do.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's all lifestyle change. This is like super easy. Here. Drink a little bit every day. Yeah. And see what happens. Yeah, that's pretty cool stuff. I got. I read the coolest kind of sad but cool story today. So I've been going through and reading. Let's see, I wrote it down. I've been going through and reading about people that were deemed saints by like the traditional churches, Catholic and Orthodox church. And there's this one saint, Saint Vitalis of Gaza. And his story is really wild. So this guy was a monk from a monastery near Gaza. So this is modern day Palestine. So this was a long time ago. In his old age, he worked as a day laborer and he would do really hard manual labor to earn wages. And every night he would take his money and he would go and visit different brothels and he would hire a prostitute every night. Okay. That's what he did. Everybody on the outside was like, this is scandalous.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, they're gonna scoff.

[Adam Schaefer]

This is horrible. Who is this? How dare he be doing it for

[Sal Destefano]

her to do something else.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So he would go in and it was a different, you know, brothel night after night. He did it for. For decade, for a long time. And eventually somebody killed him over it. So he got hit over the head and murdered because they thought he was a scandalous, horrible person. In reality, what he was doing was when he would be alone with these women in the room, he would pay them first he'd give them money, and then he'd say, I've paid for this night so you can spend it without sin. And then he would encourage them to sleep and he would stay awake all night and pray over them. Wow. And he would do this every single night. And they didn't find out until his burial. His funeral. When many of these women came forward publicly and say, he saved me. I got married I became a mother. I was able to leave the brothel because of this man. So he became the same. But he lived his whole life, the

[Justin Andrews]

whole town, thinking that. Yeah. Stigma. Up until his death, people didn't know.

[Sal Destefano]

So wild that. That somebody wouldn't have found out beforehand.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's so weird, because they wanted to keep it quiet. He wanted to keep it quiet. You know, they were just like, maybe they were afraid of the owners of the brothel. Who knows?

[Justin Andrews]

Some of the backlash.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. What's cool about this is he. He. Because I'm sure he knew that everybody thought he was this horrible man. But without elevating himself and say, you guys don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying to help these girls. He let himself be thought of as this piece of crap while protecting these women.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And interesting doing something like that ever since. Isn't that crazy?

[Sal Destefano]

That is crazy.

[Adam Schaefer]

I know. I read that story and I was

[Justin Andrews]

like, man, this is cool. That's super rare to find.

[Adam Schaefer]

Super rare. Super, super rare.

[Justin Andrews]

Super interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Anyway, I got a Florida doctor study story. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Florida doctor.

[Adam Schaefer]

And it always starts with Florida.

[Sal Destefano]

I know that. That what we did the other day was hilarious.

[Adam Schaefer]

Where we just pulled up the date and your birthday. What was it?

[Doug]

Probably has been a while.

[Adam Schaefer]

We should do. We should do Dylan's birthday and see what Dylan comes up with. What was it? It was Florida, man.

[Sal Destefano]

And then your birthday. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So.

[Adam Schaefer]

Or just the day, the month and the day. What's your month and day for your birthday? February 28th. So February 28th, Florida, man. Let's see what. Let's see what. Dylan. I remember. Whose was the worst. Was yours, Justin?

[Justin Andrews]

I'm pretty sure it was.

[Adam Schaefer]

You had a pretty bad piece of.

[Justin Andrews]

He had some real douchebags.

[Adam Schaefer]

Florida man ends a standoff for a slice of pizza. That's not bad. Dude. That is. So there was a doctor in Florida who was supposed to. I'll pull up. Just make sure I get the right details. He was supposed to remove a person's spleen and instead removed his liver.

[Sal Destefano]

What?

[Adam Schaefer]

And the guy died. What? Wow.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

How does that happen?

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude, it's rare, but it happens. You know, that happens too, when people get amputated. Amputated limb.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, yeah. I've actually heard people march themselves before surgery because of that.

[Adam Schaefer]

They actually do that in surgery? Yeah. So they'll mark the. They'll have several people mark, don't cut. Right.

[Sal Destefano]

This is a good one.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Keep me.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. You imagine going in there, supposed to remove your right leg, like, sad about it.

[Sal Destefano]

Imagine you wrote, how do you get

[Justin Andrews]

the wrong organ, dude?

[Adam Schaefer]

Like, that's a whole different thing.

[Sal Destefano]

That's a whole different. Like. Like the limb one almost makes sense.

[Justin Andrews]

Does he refer to the charting was wrong or like. Like, how does that.

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't know, dude. That's messed up.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, the limb makes sense because in the chart it says, like, right, and you're like, you're facing them and you think to your right or something like that. Or something.

[Justin Andrews]

You gotta lose your license for that.

[Sal Destefano]

But like, the wrong organ is like, what are you doing?

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't know about you guys, but if I take my car to the mechanic and they do something wrong, I'm furious, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Something like this, bro.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, it's tough, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, that just happened.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it just happened. It's like a big deal.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, of course, there is always risky, man. There's always things like that happen.

[Adam Schaefer]

What do you say? I actually feel. I mean, I know the doctor.

[Sal Destefano]

How old is the guy?

[Adam Schaefer]

70. I feel bad for that.

[Sal Destefano]

That's better.

[Adam Schaefer]

But I mean, I know imagine the doctor, like, after he finds out.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Well, especially if it's obviously unintentional.

[Adam Schaefer]

You remember that feeling you got when you were a kid when you knew you got caught, like, your parents cut, and you're like, oh, my God, they fell out. And that dread feeling. Mult supply terms a million.

[Justin Andrews]

You're responsible for that. Oh, man.

[Adam Schaefer]

This guy's like, oh, I just.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, you're.

[Adam Schaefer]

What do I do?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I mean, well, you're fired right

[Justin Andrews]

after that, you're done.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. Of course you're gonna lose.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. You know, I mean, and. And also probably get mega sued. Right.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, you got insurance and stuff that I think covers that.

[Sal Destefano]

But doesn't it cover malpractice? Well, a lot of.

[Doug]

Still has to be a lawsuit, I'm sure.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Malpractice will go through that. But I. I would just. I mean, what do you do?

[Justin Andrews]

I think

[Sal Destefano]

covered in a situation like

[Adam Schaefer]

that, they have malpractice insurance. Yeah.

[Doug]

They have to be insured.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

No, I get that to be insured,

[Adam Schaefer]

but I didn't realize, like. Like for. For mistakes. Negligence.

[Doug]

So malpractice is the main.

[Justin Andrews]

Basically.

[Sal Destefano]

And it. Okay. And then it covers even like death, which make a mistake and kill somebody, which dot.

[Adam Schaefer]

Which medical practice has the highest malpractice. And I think in California it's obs. Oh, really?

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, really?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes, because I think that they're.

[Doug]

You think it'd be cosmetic?

[Adam Schaefer]

No, I think it's obs because they're responsible for. I think they're responsible up until the kid is 18 for things that could be tied back to the delivery.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think that's in California, if I'm not mistaken.

[Sal Destefano]

Interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So. But all the way up till 18, I believe so. I trained in OB and I. And that's wild. And I think she told me that hers.

[Sal Destefano]

I wonder how often that is. Somebody comes back 17 years later and.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, it looks like my autism was connected to what you did when I was born or something like that.

[Doug]

Wow, look at that.

[Adam Schaefer]

What is it?

[Doug]

Neurosurgery and thoracic cardiovascular. Highest annual malpractice claim rates.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, so obs in general surgery also have the surgery.

[Sal Destefano]

Nearly 19 of these specialists facing claims yearly.

[Justin Andrews]

That's rough.

[Sal Destefano]

That's almost a. Almost a quarter of them are. Are yearly facing claims.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, well, I mean, that's about what you're doing.

[Sal Destefano]

Imagine.

[Justin Andrews]

I.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, no, of course, it's one of the. It's probably the. Isn't that the most.

[Adam Schaefer]

It is brain. Very risky.

[Sal Destefano]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

It's risky surgery as it gets.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Dude. I don't know about you guys, but when I meet. I don't know, you know, I know, like, I don't know. I think sometimes, especially in our space, people talk about doctors. Particular way when I meet doctors, especially surgeons, I'm like. For me, it's like they're. It's like a. A celebrity. And I don't mean that like, I'm like, oh, you. I mean, it's like, man, you're doing.

[Justin Andrews]

No, it's incredible.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, dude, they're.

[Justin Andrews]

They're so skillful.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, Autumn, for me personally, it's automatic respect. Yeah, automatic.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, isn't that what I mean? Surgeons are like the, you know, F1 drivers of. Of the medical field.

[Adam Schaefer]

Right.

[Sal Destefano]

When that. I mean that when you. Like when you think of, like F1 racing is like, the pinnacle of racing is like, there's only 20 in the world that make it to that level. It's like that would be surgeons for the medical field.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, it doesn't get higher as far as the technical, you know, within

[Adam Schaefer]

surgeons, this is going to get some heat within. Within them. There's also different respect rankings among.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, right. I mean, you talked about this before about what they say about, like, orthopedic.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think orthopods. Yeah, the.

[Sal Destefano]

They know. It's like the bros.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think they think they're like, bros.

[Justin Andrews]

Is that like on scrubs.

[Sal Destefano]

Does that. Is that have to do with how low of risk in comparison if you're dealing with.

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't know if it has to do with.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, it makes sense. I think it's because they're all vascular brain back. I mean, these things. Like, that's high risk, right? Organ stuff. Like, if you're dealing with, like, knee,

[Adam Schaefer]

shoulder, ankle, like, you're.

[Sal Destefano]

This is not like. I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

I don't know if it has to do with the complexity of this surgery look at. Or if it has to do with the fact.

[Sal Destefano]

I want to know why. Why?

[Adam Schaefer]

Because I've known a lot of orthopods, and they're all. They're all workout people.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like, they're all like. They cycle, they bike, they lift.

[Justin Andrews]

Kind of buff guys.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So I think maybe that's what it is because they got that reputation. I don't know.

[Sal Destefano]

If you not search that.

[Doug]

What is it do you want specifically search?

[Sal Destefano]

Why?

[Adam Schaefer]

Which surgeon has the least.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, I think you already say, like, how would you would Google this better than I would help Doug here. Like, this is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Among doctors, which types of surgeons get the most and least respect.

[Sal Destefano]

There you go.

[Adam Schaefer]

There you go. Put that up there.

[Justin Andrews]

I just remember watching a knee surgery and it looked like, like, Thanksgiving car.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, bro. I watched mine. I watched mine, like. And I swear to God, I swear to God, I did not have. I had 50 of the pain. I had pre. Watching the video. After I had the video, my pain increased because I saw how they went associated. And you watched him just, like, jabbing away and everything.

[Randy]

Like, o. Oh.

[Sal Destefano]

And then I remember my.

[Justin Andrews]

And this whole laparoscopic thing like, oh, we'll just send you home the next day. I remember getting that, you know, done when they removed my adrenal gland. It was like, yeah, no big deal.

[Adam Schaefer]

It was.

[Justin Andrews]

For them. It was a no big deal. But then like, oh, man, the next

[Adam Schaefer]

few weeks, I was like, all right, so here's the surgeon. This is according to. What is this? AI Surgeons with the most respect or prestige. Neurosurgery, cardiothoracic surgery, plastic reconstructive surgery, orthopedic over trauma. Orthopedic, often seen as the jocks of the medical community. Technically demanding, high paying, very competitive, repetitive to enter.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Trauma surgery. Duh. And then with less perceived procedure, general surgery, vascular surgery, vascular surgery. Yeah, well, they work with a lot of old, like your. Your population, urology and ent. Interesting.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, interesting. I. I would love to be in that space. Just because every space has their, you know, politics.

[Sal Destefano]

And so interesting that that trauma was where it was at. But yet it's badassery factory surgery that requires high level skills. At 3am it would be trauma emergency and get as much prestige.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's weird.

[Doug]

No, that's high hold.

[Sal Destefano]

High prestige.

[Doug]

High, high prestige.

[Adam Schaefer]

Badass refector. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Trauma to me is a trip. Imagine.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, that's what that. That one show. That one show that we got gunshot wound. They recommended to us to watch. I can only watch like a couple episodes and I couldn't watch anyone.

[Doug]

Yeah. What's the name of that episode? It was highly stressful to watch.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's rated really high. It's. And it is good, but it's tough. It's not a show you. Or at least I am with you, Doug. I can't watch it at night. It just. It's so intense.

[Adam Schaefer]

I feel like if you work in trauma for a living, everyday life has got to be so flat.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. You know what I mean? It has to be right. Because you start to.

[Sal Destefano]

You say like, so I.

[Justin Andrews]

So I. I gonna smoke cigarettes. I mean, you got.

[Sal Destefano]

I. I did.

[Adam Schaefer]

I trained. I trained. Hold on. I trained a. Why am I not room a cancer surgeon. Oncologist. Oncologist. Okay. Who smoked.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And I remember I took him aside and I'm like. I'm like. Because we became friends, right?

[Justin Andrews]

And they know, right.

[Adam Schaefer]

I took. I was a friend of mine and I'm like. I'm like, dude. I'm like. I just. How are you smoking, bro? You like. You're a cancer doctor. Yeah. And he goes, it's the stress. Yeah. So stressful.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And I remember being like, oh, I mean. Yep, you're right.

[Justin Andrews]

Really argue with that.

[Doug]

Yeah. That show is called the Pit.

[Adam Schaefer]

The Pit.

[Sal Destefano]

That's right.

[Justin Andrews]

The Pit.

[Doug]

Yeah. I started watching that thing and it was so stressful to watch.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It just wasn't my thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

I felt the same way too, because people love it.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, it was good. It like. It was good enough to pull me in for a couple episodes. And then I realized the same thing too. I couldn't calm down and sleep. And so I can't watch it at night, which is when I watched it, would watch it.

[Adam Schaefer]

You get affected by movies real easy.

[Sal Destefano]

I do. You can watch somebody. I cannot watch.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

I can watch the most terror. You've seen me do this. I could watch the most terrifying anxiety inducing thing. Turn it off, go right to sleep.

[Sal Destefano]

As I Say, I think that makes you more likely to be a serial killer than me.

[Adam Schaefer]

Maybe.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

But you're left handed.

[Adam Schaefer]

So it's always it. Yeah. Oh yeah. What are the stats? What are the stats?

[Justin Andrews]

It's left handedness, left hand and bed wetters.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then you did, bro. Yes, you were. You said you pooped the bed.

[Sal Destefano]

No, I did not poop the bed.

[Adam Schaefer]

You said. You said pooper bed. Oh, outside of bed. It's totally different dog. Totally different. Oh, my bad. That was when you're awake.

[Justin Andrews]

I always bring the stat up to like yeah. Courtney's family. Because there are a lot of left handers. It's pre fight.

[Adam Schaefer]

Left handed makes someone more likely. There's no evidence. See? Bro, you're crap. That's not true.

[Randy]

What?

[Sal Destefano]

But I bet if you watch high stress shows right before bed it has to put you up there.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think AI is trying. Oh baloney, dude. Okay, hold on. Some studies in behavioral biology have suggested that because left handers may have a frequency dependent advantage in confrontational one on one or violent situations. A surprise factor. There could be a highly this. Get out of here.

[Justin Andrews]

What are you talking about, dude?

[Adam Schaefer]

Because you're a southpaw.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

The more successful someone has too much

[Doug]

time on their hands.

[Adam Schaefer]

So. Antisocial personality disorder. Adams used to his social media handle was we love to hate Adam. Superficial charm something there you are pretty charming.

[Sal Destefano]

It's real charm.

[Adam Schaefer]

Need for controller power. I'm just gonna leave that one. Talk about that one real quick. Childhood abuse. Oh, bro, I was getting sad. Dud.

[Mackenzie]

Oh no.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh no. This is getting real sad. Oh please don't be a serial killer.

[Justin Andrews]

No way. No way.

[Adam Schaefer]

This is hilarious.

[Sal Destefano]

McDonald Triad.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's that?

[Justin Andrews]

Childhood.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Look up the McDonald TR now. Justin was a bully though. You were a bully?

[Justin Andrews]

On my own.

[Adam Schaefer]

Justin. You were a bully. I wasn't. That might make you.

[Justin Andrews]

But only because I got bullied, dude. I I and then I was bullying the bully.

[Adam Schaefer]

There's got to be a.

[Sal Destefano]

There's got to be a quiz. There's got to be a quiz that we could all take that we could

[Adam Schaefer]

put most likely it would kick that so look at this. This is the triad. Animal cruelty.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Fire setting and bedwetting.

[Sal Destefano]

Interesting that bedwetting would be up there.

[Justin Andrews]

But they put left handed in that cat. I remember seeing that. I read that Dave.

[Adam Schaefer]

So I never had I I never Animal cruelty. I was not Me either. Definitely I didn't ever peed my bed. Not once in my life.

[Sal Destefano]

Not once in your life.

[Adam Schaefer]

But I used to set things on fire, dude.

[Doug]

I think we all did.

[Sal Destefano]

I think every boy likes.

[Justin Andrews]

I tortured insects.

[Adam Schaefer]

Animals.

[Sal Destefano]

That's different. Yeah, that's not an animal. Insects. Yeah, everyone. Everyone used to burn ants with magnifying glass. If you didn't, you didn't. You're not a boy.

[Adam Schaefer]

They're not animals, dude. They don't have souls.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, I did the frogs too.

[Sal Destefano]

I felt a little bad.

[Adam Schaefer]

Frogs are closer to animals.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, you are pushing one in a

[Justin Andrews]

rocket and lit it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Blew it up. Whoa, dude. Yeah. Justin, these are things we should keep.

[Doug]

We're not gaining any sympathy here.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Okay. One time, my cousins and I, we were being watched by my great uncle. So he's like, really old at this point. So he'd just sit in a chair, watch tv, and I don't know why the mom thought it was a good idea to leave us with him. And there was a bunch of us boys, and we were not. We were like rambunctious kids. And we'd go in the backyard and we'd light things on fire while two or three of us held a hose and would put it out like firefighters. And we just kept doing this. And we made a big ass fire once and we. We like, put it out. We were like, real scared. And then someone came up with the idea of, hey, go tell. Go tell uncle that there's a fire. And just like, let's just see what he does, right? So we call him. And he runs out. He's old, dude. So he's like kind of coming out, whatever. And we just hosed him down, dude. With the hose. Yeah, dude. We got beat, dude. Yeah, I bet you did. Oh, yeah, no. Our moms came home, he was wet. He didn't get dressed.

[Sal Destefano]

He's old.

[Adam Schaefer]

So he sat cold all day while we were outside, realizing what we did. We're like, oh, we're gonna get in trouble. And our moms had to sit in chairs. So we had all the boys sitting there. And then they. They got. They tied us together and they went around a circle and just hit us. They tied you together? We had to stay in the chairs.

[Sal Destefano]

Why? Why they had to tie us together? Most young men gone have gone through a stage or a phase of their life where that was like a common

[Adam Schaefer]

thing where you setting things on fire.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, it's not even just that. Just like, destructive. Yeah. Being destructive or doing things that are just.

[Justin Andrews]

I think we want to know the line. And like. Yeah, it's an interesting thing because it's like, violence is definitely in our nature, but it's like how you control it, you know, And I think that's why it was good for me to have sports and it's good for me to have like high impact sports especially. Yeah. Because I. I leaned high on the violence side. I had to be able to channel that into something more healthy, productive for society. You know, it's like, kept me out of j.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, I think that. Who is it that was. I heard someone talk about this about. For what's really important for young men, like an important thing that they have to develop is discipline. Because a grown man with no discipline is hedonistic, violent. He has power that he utilizes to get people to do what he wants or he can be manipulative, but more likely not the other ones. So a man, a boy that grows up, that learns to control his outbursts, that learns to control his desires, that's what makes a boy into a man. Otherwise you have a wild dude, which is not good for society at all.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Which I feel like is a lot of teenage boys is what happens. Right.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

When you go through that rush of

[Justin Andrews]

testosterone, everything else that's like hitting you all at the same time.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. What's also, and by the way, men know this inherently. We know this as grown men when we're around, like, have you guys ever been around a dude that is legit, like tough, either a big guy athlete or, you know, a fighter? And you've seen them be in a situation where they totally controlled themselves. They couldn't.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And how much, how much instant respect do they get from every guy?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Rather than lashing out and, you know, and.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

These are the only ones that get respect.

[Adam Schaefer]

They get. Exactly.

[Sal Destefano]

I'm trying to take myself back to like teenage years when you were getting into trouble like that and seeking that stuff. Like what was going through your head? Like, what's going through my head at that, at that age?

[Adam Schaefer]

Like, like that's exciting.

[Sal Destefano]

Is that what it is?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, test your own, test your own strength or whatever. Like what? I mean, what is it?

[Justin Andrews]

That frustration, I think for me and

[Sal Destefano]

just you had all the pent up anger.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Unleashed.

[Adam Schaefer]

HE LAUGHS yeah. I think justice was different.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, it was different. I, I learned how to like turn that more into like humor and like, see more humor and things like instead of like turn into violence. But yeah, I think it's, I think that's. Yeah, it's just a formative time. Like you have to kind of work through a lot of this, like big Emotional, you know, surges and, like, how to. How to, like, deal with it. How to get to a calm state. Like, I think that varies from everybody.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. I. For me, I was. I did get a lot of fights, but it was only because I. I really had this really deep sense of, like, if I saw something that I felt was, like, mean or, like, injustice. That's such a.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. If I saw someone getting picked on or I saw a guy, like, kind of just impose himself, then it was something inside of me that was, like, stir, and it would burn and burn and burn, and then eventually I'd pick a fight with them. And so that was that.

[Sal Destefano]

That would only bother me if it was, like, part of my. My. My inner circle. Yeah. Like, I connect a lot with, like, your tribe. Yeah. You know, the. What's the movie? Good Will Hunting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

With the. The. Their.

[Adam Schaefer]

Like your boys.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, that, I think. And I think that has a lot to do with, like, seeking a family outside of, like, your family.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, wow.

[Sal Destefano]

Right. And so I think that's where that comes from. And so I think back to, like, the more I'm sitting here and, like, trying to ponder on, like, what is it that, you know, got me into that trouble and stuff like that. A lot of that was, like, standing up for your. Your quote unquote family. That wasn't your family.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Most of the time it was, like, sticking up for somebody else.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And I'd get in those situations because otherwise I wouldn't really get in those situations. You know, it was like somebody would start something, and it was like, oh, no, no.

[Adam Schaefer]

For me, there was always that. But then there was always, like, I didn't even know the person. I would just see someone doing something, and then I leave it because it's none of my business. And then it would burn inside of me. And then what I would do eventually is I would seek out a way to instigate something with that person.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, interesting.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So then they wouldn't even know why. But I'm starting something with you. I either shoulder bump you or I grab your drink and throw on the ground or throw the basketball at your face, and it starts something with you. In fact, I still have that feeling, like, if I'm driving, I don't do anything anymore. But if I see someone aggressively cutting people off, they get this feeling inside where I'm like, I'm gonna go cut him off. Yeah, I'm gonna go show him. And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, what Am I doing? You think you are Batman? Relax, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

Batman.

[Sal Destefano]

Calm down, dude.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, speaking of Batman, do you guys know who that's based off of? I think I told you guys that. Yeah, it's based off Teddy Roosevel.

[Sal Destefano]

Batman is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Did not know that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, he used to watch the Billy Club at night and, like, he'd do it, like. Like, without anybody knowing. And then obviously somebody, like, picked up on it. But, yeah, he'd, like, go down to the streets and, like, fight crime.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude, Teddy Roosevelt's got the craziest story. So he's the one that wrote that famous speech, man. In the arena. Yeah, he was. He was like this sickly kid, had asthma, and he basically exercised and worked out himself out of it. And then he would seek out crazy, dangerous situations, like he would. He enrolled in the military to fight in a war. He put himself at the front line. He charged forward. He learned judo. He would practice wrestling in judo in the White House, and he'd invite people over to wrestle them. And then when he was police. I think he was a police chief. Chief before he became president, if I'm not mistaken. He would go out at night in a disguise and he'd fight. Try to fight crime. Is that what it is? Yeah, he worked with the. To reform the police department. Yeah. Anyway, interesting. Interesting story about that guy.

[Sal Destefano]

I knew there was.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's the one that got shot, right, while he was giving a speech.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. And it didn't. It hit like a notepad or something?

[Adam Schaefer]

No, it got in him.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, that's what happened.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So according to this, the original 1939 Batman was in inspired by figures like Zorro and Shadow. However, like, Christopher Nolan took inspiration when he did the Dark Knight. So that's the connection from Teddy Roosevelt.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. And he was shot, Right. While giving a speech. Is that the right guy? Yeah. Let me look. He, like, got shot, and then he's like, I gotta finish the speech before I go to the doctor.

[Sal Destefano]

I thought it went into something. I thought it went into, like a. A notepad or like, the bullet didn't fully.

[Adam Schaefer]

What happened?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I thought. I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

Could be wrong.

[Sal Destefano]

Bullet, speech.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, he was bleeding. Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. And then he said into the crowd. It takes more than a bullet to kill a bull. A bull moose. They don't make them like that anymore, do they?

[Justin Andrews]

No, they don't.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, kind of.

[Justin Andrews]

Cool.

[Adam Schaefer]

Interesting. Anyway, I got a pre.

[Doug]

Corruption or.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I got an interesting study for you guys. So I don't know. I don't think you Guys will be surprised. This might make people.

[Sal Destefano]

I was surprised that we talked about the study that I sent over to you. I didn't realize that you brought that up.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, we did.

[Sal Destefano]

I didn't realize that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Do you remember that Justin, the Max Lugaver?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah. Were you eating the same thing every day?

[Sal Destefano]

I didn't know.

[Justin Andrews]

I didn't know.

[Sal Destefano]

That was like Max brought that up. I didn't realize.

[Adam Schaefer]

So. Okay, now we gotta talk about. So the study compared. They followed a bunch of people and people who tend to eat the same thing every day lost more weight than people who didn't.

[Sal Destefano]

35%.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but this is what you're doing with that is you're, you're, you're selecting people who prep. Prep.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, I thought it didn't tease that out. I like, I thought it was like, just purely like it like you, you could prep too, but you just prep different stuff versus people that actually just prep the same thing.

[Adam Schaefer]

People who tend to prep. Tend to prep the same stuff. Yeah. Also eating the same thing over and over again, it reduces palatability. So you're gonna, you're not going to have as much. It also hunger and cravings.

[Sal Destefano]

It also improves consistency too.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

So it's like if I know that's 550 calories, I know that's 500 calories because I've, you know, I'm saying.

[Adam Schaefer]

So this is why a whole food diet causes weight loss loss. It's. It's less palatable. Now if you want to make it even more less palatable, here's what you do. Take a whole food diet, limit yourself to four foods, eat those only, and I guarantee your calories will drop because it's boring. Yeah, yeah. You just eat less as a result.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, when you go novelty, you get those fluctuations too. That. Yeah. Kind of throw you all over the place.

[Adam Schaefer]

Versus.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. That consistent calorie amount.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep. All right. I got a study for you guys that might make people angry, but whatever.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's probably, it's obvious. I think you guys might find this obvious. So there was study that was conducted. They analyzed more than 18,000okCupid users and they discovered.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Cupid is dating site.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think. Right.

[Doug]

Yeah, I think.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is that one of the ones you're on? No, I'm not on that one.

[Sal Destefano]

He knew pretty fast right there. He was pretty quick to that answer. Yep, yep, that's right.

[Adam Schaefer]

Don't look into it though.

[Justin Andrews]

Don't search. Doug Eggy.

[Sal Destefano]

No need to Search that.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's got. He's got a secret name on there. Yeah,

[Sal Destefano]

that was way too fast, dog.

[Doug]

I've heard of these things. Plenty of fish.

[Justin Andrews]

I knew that cougar bar was. I remember that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. He knew right away. The Blue Pheasant.

[Doug]

Oh, yeah, the cougar bar.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I didn't know where that one was.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, they have a picture. All right, so. So. So this is what this study. 18, 000 people, they discovered a correlation between unconventional hair colors and increased reported instances of depression. So people who tend to dye their hair.

[Sal Destefano]

Nice way of you saying blue hair.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. You dye your hair.

[Adam Schaefer]

People tend to dye their hair in bold colors. Blue, pink, green, purple. May be more likely to report mental health struggles.

[Doug]

Took a study for that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Adam Schaefer]

You ever seen the meme where there's a. That. Are those.

[Sal Destefano]

Are those on the rise still, or do you think they're on the decline? I think they're on the decline.

[Adam Schaefer]

What? Dating sites?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, they were so popular and they exploded and I think. Yeah, I think they've slowed down.

[Adam Schaefer]

Let me see. Yeah, I'm looking at Doug because I'm like, you're the Google. Yeah, yeah, he's looking at.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, now he's pretending like. I don't know. Let me check. Oh, yeah, it's like.

[Doug]

Well, I've been using them more than

[Sal Destefano]

a great question, Adam. Let me Google that.

[Adam Schaefer]

He's got stars.

[Justin Andrews]

Hold on, let me swipe real quick.

[Adam Schaefer]

Dude. Yeah. Are they becoming more or less popular?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I think less popular. Let's see.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes, massive growth.

[Doug]

Oh, in the past decade.

[Justin Andrews]

Boy.

[Doug]

Recently,

[Adam Schaefer]

long term growth grew nearly sixfold between 2010 and 2020. But there's a recent trend. Wait, scroll up a little bit. Like this? No, it says that there was a little burnout at the upper. The paragraph towards the top, Doug. Oh, okay. Right there. It says, while usage surged during the pandemic and remains high, Recent trends in 2025 suggest potential user burnout. Yeah. And a growing desire for alternative in person. Yep. You know what's happening? It's also what it's happened. What's happening is a very small percentage of men are getting all the attention.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, that was. I know we've talked about this already. Like, so we've. We've now.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's becoming like polygamy.

[Sal Destefano]

We've now figured this out. That it's I for. I wish that stats like a high value. The stat on this is insane. That I saw too. Which is like a small percentage of the men get like 80% of the women.

[Adam Schaefer]

Check this out. So. And this is. So when women say what they are looking for. Yeah. See, watch this. Doug, look this up. What percentage of men just 6 foot, 6 foot tall and 6 figures make $100,000? It's less than 5% in America. I think it's 4%. Just that right there? Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Just that alone.

[Adam Schaefer]

And then if we add in, like, good looks, 15% body fat, you know, it gets down to, like, there's like, five dudes. Let's see what this percentage is.

[Justin Andrews]

Have good teeth.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

All right, we're getting an answer here. 3.6 to 4.5.

[Adam Schaefer]

So women who are like, he's got to be 6 foot tall and make 100 grand, you're. You're looking at about 4%. Yeah. Of the men. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Which I think that. I think that. That it coincides with the stat that I was gonna have, Doug Lookovich is I think 5% of the men to, like, date 80 of the women.

[Doug]

So top 10 to 20 of men receiving 80 to 90 of the likes

[Sal Destefano]

on these type of sites.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Did I ever tell you guys the. The. The. The fail that I did once to my wife because I thought it would be funny, but it totally just tanked. Did I tell you this? I listed all my stats. Yeah. My high body fat.

[Justin Andrews]

I do this.

[Sal Destefano]

I had layers to that, bro. So like last. Like last night, I came home and cooked dinner and then cleaned the house.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, dang. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. Right after that. And then I add to that stat 6 foot 3. How many guys make this much money this tall? Do this cook for you? Clean.

[Adam Schaefer]

What was the percentage out of?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, it's very low, dog.

[Adam Schaefer]

Very, very low. Lucky. Yeah. Did you tell that you're so blessed? Yeah. You hit the lottery. That's how I presented it to. I think I said, you're so blessed. It didn't work, you guys. You didn't feel blessed when I said this.

[Sal Destefano]

It doesn't work.

[Adam Schaefer]

It doesn't work. Anyway, so we're going to mention Crisp Power, which in the studio here is that it has to be the most commonly used product that we work with. Right. I see everybody eating them, even amongst the staff. Everybody. That's a good mischief. It's got to be Chris Power.

[Sal Destefano]

Is that what I see?

[Adam Schaefer]

Dylan eating them? Eli, one of your top ones.

[Sal Destefano]

Dylan?

[Adam Schaefer]

Doug eats them all the time. Snack wise.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Trainers eat them all the time.

[Sal Destefano]

Does Eli eat them? I don't ever see Eli eat this. He comes up.

[Adam Schaefer]

He does eat, dude. Does he eat? You know What?

[Doug]

Never see him eat.

[Sal Destefano]

All I see him do is work. Yeah, he's just work.

[Adam Schaefer]

So we have to feed him. Yeah, he's very hard working, but Adam will always make him feel like he needs to work hard. Eli worked hard enough, bro. Everybody crushes them all the time in here. Yeah, all the time.

[Sal Destefano]

Do you have a favorite?

[Justin Andrews]

Convenient.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, you're a cheddar guy, Justin.

[Justin Andrews]

I like cheddar Big cheese guys.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're still the everything bagel.

[Sal Destefano]

Every. I mean, I like a lot of them, though, dude. Everything. I like the. The higher1.

[Adam Schaefer]

They're 25, 28 grams of protein in a bag. Yeah, it's like eating a bag of chips, except it's hella protein.

[Sal Destefano]

I honestly, I think there's only one flavor. I don't care that the cinnamon one's not my favorite.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, because it's sweet. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

It just doesn't to me.

[Adam Schaefer]

What if you add them to a bowl of milk?

[Sal Destefano]

I. I thought about that actually, the other day.

[Adam Schaefer]

You thought about that?

[Sal Destefano]

I thought about cereal. You're making a cereal out of it and seeing what it would taste like.

[Adam Schaefer]

Holy cow, that's delicious.

[Sal Destefano]

Maybe, maybe. I don't know.

[Adam Schaefer]

But then it might get soggy.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if those. That's a good idea or not for it, but I mean, considering that how many flavors they have. And there's only one that I don't

[Adam Schaefer]

like, the flaming ones. I mean, if you go to the

[Justin Andrews]

mall, they always had the cinnamon sugar, you know, pretzels. So I guess that was what they were thinking about.

[Sal Destefano]

Did you like it?

[Adam Schaefer]

Do you like the cinnamon one?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I don't mind it. I mean, it's not. Not my top one. Definitely. Cheddar is my top one.

[Randy]

I like them.

[Doug]

If I'm in the mood for something

[Sal Destefano]

sweet, I know it's not a great commercial for them, but what's your least favorite? You know, like, that's why I know everything.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm not a seed guy, so I'm not like the.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, I like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Everything bagel, the cheddar and the flaming. Are the sesame seed ones good too?

[Doug]

Sesame's good.

[Sal Destefano]

I like the sesame seed one. So, yeah, it's only. It's literally only the. I think it's sesame seed one.

[Doug]

I.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right, so here's a question. Here's a question then for you guys, because you guys eat them the most.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Because it's high in protein, does it produce more satiety than if you, let's say, ate A bag. You notice it?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So you eat it?

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, I've actually tried with a bag. I'm actually good with a bag. I've actually tried eating two bags of it. I don't want to.

[Adam Schaefer]

So it's because of the protein. Yeah. Oh, wow.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, one's enough. Where you gave me regular pretzels, I could eat a bag twice that size easy. Oh, easily. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Crush eggs.

[Sal Destefano]

What do you pull up there?

[Doug]

Yeah, it is sesame.

[Sal Destefano]

It is sesame. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I don't know where I got.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

How's the fiber in those? Are they pretty good?

[Doug]

Oh, the fiber's actually good. It's high fiber.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's also high.

[Doug]

They say it's. I think. I don't recall exactly.

[Sal Destefano]

30. High protein, high fiber, low carb.

[Doug]

I think it's like 30 of your daily recommended.

[Sal Destefano]

They're in Costco now, right?

[Adam Schaefer]

Are they?

[Doug]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

That company's crushing.

[Justin Andrews]

Geez.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, they've blown up ever since they started doing commercials with us.

[Sal Destefano]

That's what we tell them. Yeah.

[Doug]

10 grams of fiber.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wow. Of course it's going to produce satiety. See, this is good because when you eat a tasty snack, what you don't want is also just to overeat the hell out of it.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it's increase your cravings.

[Adam Schaefer]

But this, because it's protein and fiber, you get your protein.

[Sal Destefano]

No, Justin said, right. One bag, you're good with it. And I intentionally have tried to eat two. Like one. And I could. I could do it if I, like, make myself do it, but I don't crave it where other snacks like that, like overeat. Yeah, easily.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wow, that's great.

[Sal Destefano]

Good job. It's well done.

[Adam Schaefer]

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[Doug]

Our first caller is Randy from Oklahoma.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's up, Randy?

[Sal Destefano]

What's happening?

[Adam Schaefer]

Doing Randy.

[Randy]

Mind pump. How are you guys doing?

[Sal Destefano]

Good, man, good.

[Adam Schaefer]

How can we help you?

[Randy]

Good. Hey, I started a gratitude practice earlier this year, and I get a chance to thank you all in person. Really privileged for that. I've been trying to lose fat since 2016, as in 10 years ago 2016. And it seemed like no matter what I did, no matter who I followed, I always ended up right back where I started, which was just fat and weak and frustrated. And I had gotten to the point where I was about to decide that my body was just impervious to exercise until my wife sent me a mind pump episode about eight months ago. And after that, I changed up my routine. I dropped the volume, added some rest periods. I upped my calories by about a thousand over the course of probably about two weeks. And by week two, I was already seeing some changes in my body. After three months, my big lifts were up by about 50%. And now everything is better post mind pump. So energy is up, strength is up. I'm 46 and I'm seeing definition for the first time in my life. And I can't seem to gain weight, which is incredible. So that's great, man, for all that, dude, thank you very much.

[Sal Destefano]

Awesome.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it, dude. What's your question? How can we help you? You?

[Randy]

Yeah. So when I went through doing all these things following your advice, I figured if I actually buy a Maps program, that I'm going to start to see changes that are going to make me look like a Greek statue by the time all this is said and done. And so I bought the Maps super bundle back in November. I ran Anabolic all the way through, trigger sessions and all. And I was a little disappointed when all was said and done because it seemed like those body changes stopped all through the program. I took it through, and about halfway through phase three, my wife was talking to me and she was like, you know, you seem like you were doing a little better before, which, I gotta be honest with you, that stung a little bit. And so then after Anabolic, I went back to what I was doing before, which was mostly three by five program six or seven compound lifts, and then throwing in a few, like, bicep curls, tricep. Tricep exercises. And all of a sudden those strength gains just exploded again. Body changes started back up again. So my question for you is, what the hell?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So in Your email, it says you also increased your calories after following Maps Anabolic.

[Randy]

I did. So I increased my calories before anabolic, I was 2400 before I started Anabolic. By the time I got to Anabolic, I was up to about 3,400. And since anabolic, I've bumped those calories again. At this point, I'm actually up to about 4,200. Still can't seem to gain weight, which is kind of awesome, to be honest with you. I don't mind that at all. And I'm back to running those three by fives here. About three or four weeks ago, I actually moved to kind of a like a Maps reverse performance anabolic 15. Just kind of something I'd put together from various exercises from your programs and sticking to that 15 to 20 minutes a day. And that seems to be working well for me as well. So pretty much so far, everything that I've gleaned from you, except for Maps Anabolic has done wonders for me.

[Adam Schaefer]

And you did the, I'm assuming you did the three day a week version of Maps Anabolic when you followed it.

[Randy]

I did, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

The volume is just too high for you.

[Mackenzie]

You.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Sounds like.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. For a lot of people, Maps Anabolic is going to be appropriate volume, but sometimes it's too much, especially when you get into phases two and three, which is probably when you started to feel some of those effects. So phase three? Yeah, phase three.

[Sal Destefano]

So.

[Adam Schaefer]

So volume is sets and sets weight in reps. Okay. So three sets of 20 reps is typically going to register as more volume or damage or require more recovery than three sets of five. And so oftentimes if the volume is too high, a person will go back down to lower reps, same sets, even though the weight is heavier, and they'll start responding better again. And so now you're doing something like a couple lifts a day, it sounds like.

[Randy]

Yeah. So here about. For the last three weeks or so, I've been doing just a couple lifts a day, sometimes three. But really no more than 20 minutes at the gym. And then plus, you know, doing some, I might step on the treadmill or something like that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep. So now it sounds like you're hitting about appropriate volume.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

And just, you know, I just want to highlight how easy it is to do more than is necessary for the body. So even though Maps Anabolic, oftentimes people follow it, love it for, in, in many cases, some cases you'll see especially as people get into middle age or if they have other stresses, like for example, I'LL have a woman call in and, you know, she's postpartum, or somebody's calories are low or their sleep is a little off, or they have other responsibilities. We'll send in maps 15 and they'll get better results.

[Sal Destefano]

So, just, just curious of what the rest of your. What's your day look, are you pretty busy, guy? What's the size? Because the fact that you can eat 4, 000 calories and train on that volume and not put bad weight on is actually impressive in itself. That's a really good sign.

[Justin Andrews]

Hmm.

[Randy]

Yeah. So I'm, I'm 6 foot 2, 37 right now, and that weight has not fluctuated by more than about a pound and a half since I started listening to you all. Um, and it seems like, I mean, you know, I just keep ramping up those calories up, up, up. And I keep thinking I'm going to hit that point where I get on the scale and I see the weight actually go up, but it just doesn't move. I do get my 220 grams of protein per day. I, I do creatine. I take about 13, 000 steps per day. Mostly. That's, that's not related to my work. As you can see. I'm just in an office here. But, but I do try to get out pretty regularly and get those steps in. And I get about seven hours of sleep a night.

[Sal Destefano]

That's good. That's good, bro.

[Justin Andrews]

That's really good.

[Sal Destefano]

13,000Steps is a good amount of move. You're moving good. That's good. You're active. The average American's only moving 4,000. So I was like, there's a. You gotta be a big guy and you gotta be moving quite a bit. If you're eating 4,000 calories and you don't see that scale move, that's a really good sign.

[Adam Schaefer]

What are the lifts that you. Because you. How long have you been doing, like, consistently strength training now where you're seeing, like, good progress and feel like you're doing things right?

[Randy]

Yeah. So strength training, as you would define it, would be since I started listening to Mind Pump in August. So this has only been for eight months for me.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, wow.

[Randy]

Before that, I definitely did a lot of programs where I was lifting weights, but never anything with more than 60 to 90 seconds of rest. And, you know, when I started to add that three minutes of rest, it was like magic. It was just awesome. And it seems like anytime I go away from that three minutes, then, you know, things just don't quite work out.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Building, I mean you're building your metabolism. This is a great example of how that works. So the reason why I asked you that is and give me an idea of what your, what your, your lifts look like now. Squat, deadlift and bench. Because I have some ideas for you.

[Randy]

Yeah. So my, so I, I don't really try to do PR for single rep but I, I have tried to do like some three by fives and things like that to check my deadlift. I can do 285 on a three by five. My squad is I think up at 235. It's up to 255 now.

[Adam Schaefer]

Wow.

[Randy]

And chest press at 180. All those are the, the three by fives. Perfect bro.

[Sal Destefano]

You're moving good weight.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. So here's what I'm going to encourage you to do now. So now you're going to start to get into. Soon you're going to get into a place where you start to notice a little bit of nagging inflammation or injury because the, you're getting so strong, you've been so consistent but the movements that you're doing are very sagittal plane. And so. Yeah, and so what'll happen, you'll keep getting stronger but you start to notice like ah, this kind of hurts a little bit. Maybe I need to warm up more or something like that. So it'd be really smart for you at this point to train different planes of movement. So like Maps 15 performance would be a really good idea to follow to interrupt kind of what you're doing just to get ahead of. Because you're getting really strong and you're probably, you're probably going to end up somewhere, you know, five reps, you know, deadlift, 285, you're probably gonna end up somewhere around 350 which is really strong. But before you get there, it's really important we work on rotation, lateral stability because the stronger you get, the greater the risk of injury when you move outside of perfect form, even if it's just half a degree. Great.

[Randy]

So this, and I have tried to. Sorry, I, I have tried to pull in some exercises from performance as well. So I've got some, some chops in the routine. Suitcase carries windmills and trying to, you know, add those additional things. Um, I don't have access to a sled so that, that's been, that's okay.

[Sal Destefano]

If you're doing those, those ones you just named are great movements for you to continue to do.

[Adam Schaefer]

And how often do you train those or how consistent are they in your routine?

[Randy]

I do them two days a week. So when I do the three exercises, one of those is going to be one of those rotational or.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, that's great.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, that's great. That's good.

[Sal Destefano]

That's great. Yeah, you keep progressing that windmill, and you keep doing those. Like, that's.

[Adam Schaefer]

Don't stop doing those.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

You're doing good, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, you're doing really good.

[Sal Destefano]

I like what you're doing.

[Adam Schaefer]

Stay on path. And when you get up to a point where you're like, man, this is a lot of food, you could try cutting. And what you'll probably see is some really good fat loss. Yeah, yeah.

[Randy]

I'm getting close. I'm getting close. It's becoming a bit of a chore at 4200.

[Sal Destefano]

Such a good place. Yeah, that's the ideal place. I want it when I want to cut, I want a Clyde to be like, I can't eat anymore, Adam. Cool.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. You'll go down to 3500 and just

[Sal Destefano]

watch yourself lean out.

[Adam Schaefer]

Exactly. You get up to 4200 and you're like, okay, I'm good. Now drop to 3, 500 and watch fat just fall off your body.

[Randy]

Yeah, I can't wait.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I feel like too. Okay, do you have our 15 program? I feel like we should give you power lift 15 and then perform just so you can toggle between the two, because you're kind of doing that on your own, like, intuitively, you're kind of mashing it together.

[Adam Schaefer]

But we've.

[Justin Andrews]

We've put that together almost exactly like you're describing.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I. I would. I think it'd be really smart. That'd be great to follow. We'll send that.

[Sal Destefano]

We'll send that to you.

[Adam Schaefer]

We'll send that to you.

[Sal Destefano]

Send them both. Power lift. You send them both. Power lift 15, and then the performance

[Justin Andrews]

15 be correct volume, and I think, yeah, it'll just keep you going strong here.

[Randy]

Yeah, that power lift is really exciting because I've gotten to where I'm, you know, I'm focused more on the actual lifts and the numbers from the lifts, and I really have gotten to where I just don't care about other things. I don't really care about the mirror, the scale. That. That has been a huge change for me, and it's been great. So Power lift is going to be awesome.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's awesome, man. You hit the sweet spot.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah. You're doing great, bro.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. Yeah. The only mistake you can make is if you do Too much.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen to your body.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, that's right, dude.

[Sal Destefano]

Keep it up, Randy.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right.

[Randy]

Thanks gents.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it, man. Yeah, it's great.

[Sal Destefano]

It's crushing it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, it's really great. I mean, it's a good conversation around volume because when I was younger I thought all I considered volume was sets. So if I'm doing three sets, If I'm doing three sets, I'm doing three sets. It's all the same volume. No, it's not.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I didn't factor in the load

[Adam Schaefer]

or the reps. Yeah, like you do three sets of at the same intensity. Right. So we're talking about like within a few reps of failure. Failure three sets of five in squats or three sets of 20 at squats. Okay, the 20. Way more damage on the body requires way more recovery. It's just very different because those reps count when it comes to volume. So. And Maps Anabolic Phase 3, the Rant. The volume actually is quite high for a lot of people. So sometimes people like, man, I love phase one, Phase two is great. Phase three, I start to feel burnt out.

[Sal Destefano]

Also in the context of where he was at calorie wise, it's obvious that he's a big guy, he moves a lot. 13,000 steps for a 6 foot 2, 230 pound guy is a lot of movement. So that's a lot. That's a lot of movement. And, and his size, that low of calorie just wasn't. And that high of volume wasn't serving him whatsoever. So just cutting back down on the volume a tiny bit, boosting calories, and then boom, all of a sudden he sees a response again. And to be able to be eating 4,000 calories, not putting body fat on is a freaking awesome.

[Adam Schaefer]

And you know what's really interesting too is just a little side note here. There are some people that respond exceptionally well to really low volume. Like one of my favorite examples was six time Mr. Olympia. Dorian here's a pro bodybuilder, he won the Mr. Olympia six times. He's also all on performance enhancing drugs. And he goes from, I don't remember what year it was in 1998, maybe Mr. Olympia, where he took second place. Lee Haney, I think it was 98. And then he comes back 15 pounds heavier. What he changed. And everybody thought he did this crazy drug cocktails. No, that's not what happened. What happened was he went from traditional strength training to one set to failure, like the lowest volume you could possibly do. And his body responded tremendously. And there are people like this now. This is. Most people aren't like this, where they just go lower, lower volume. At some point, you need certain amount of volume, but some people just do really well with the lower volume. And it's really interesting. The individual, individual variants will always be a wrench.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Adam Schaefer]

And what always a factor.

[Sal Destefano]

I would argue more people, especially in the context of how rare it is that we all get perfect sleep, how rare it is that we have no sleep.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's lower than they think.

[Sal Destefano]

It's lower than you think. I think more people totally, if you, if you put more energy and effort on nutrition dial good sleep, you could get away with very low volume of training and probably see incredible results.

[Doug]

Our next callers are Melissa and Easton from Minnesota.

[Adam Schaefer]

What's up, guys?

[Sal Destefano]

What's happening?

[Adam Schaefer]

Hello. How you doing?

[Mackenzie]

I'm just getting to read and shorten this off because I'm shorten my email because I'm a little nervous. I'm just going to read it.

[Adam Schaefer]

No worries.

[Mackenzie]

First, this is my son, Easton. He's 13. He's here with me.

[Sal Destefano]

How you doing, Easton?

[Mackenzie]

This is Will. A little bit against as well.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

All right.

[Mackenzie]

First, I just want to thank you guys for all you do. You've changed how I think about my health and wellness. But I also love how you talk about family and friends and faith. And I love that my son can hear other positive influences besides his crazy parents about how he can live a positive life. So thank you guys very much.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it. All right.

[Mackenzie]

All right. So I'm 44 and I'm looking for a program that we can do together this summer. As a punishment for having his phone in his room, we decided to make Easton do a weightlifting class at school, which turned out he loved, and we kind of expected that he would love it. He is now doing track and field, and he misses lifting. He wishes he was still lifting. So we're making plans for the summer. He loves to come home after he was doing weightlifting and tell me how he would beat my PRs. I maybe have a year of being stronger than him before he passes me and everything, but he's getting close. I'm a member of a cardio kickboxing gym that also does weightlifting, but after listening to you guys, I realize it's more circuit training with weights. And so I've been supplementing with real lifting, according to you guys, at the Big Box Gym for a few months. And I just finished phase one of Maps 15, which I love. I still go to the kickboxing gym but this summer I want to take a couple days for he and I go to go to the Big Box gym and at least work out next to him because who works out with their mom? So do you have any recommendations for a program that we could do together?

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, absolutely. And so you're going to be going to a gym to do this and you want to go about two, three days a week. Week.

[Heather]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is what you look for, if not more.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, you'll go.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, yeah.

[Mackenzie]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. That's good, man. And, and just the easting. Good job, dude. Working out with your mom, bro. That's great. You're a good kid. Yeah. Good young man. Okay, so you want you guys now are you going to keep doing a bunch of cardio kickboxing stuff? Are you going to focus on the strength training? Because I need to know what the balance is going to be.

[Mackenzie]

I'm, I'm in a contract at that gym through the end of the year. So I still want to do that a couple, three days a week maybe. But I, I'm not sure whether to skip the kickboxing days or skip their weight training days when I go. But the priority will be to go with him.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. Because that makes a big difference. Because I'd like to put you on a strength training program that's really going to make you guys strong. But I'm going to need you to not add a bunch of other intense stuff. So it would be ideal if you skipped all of it. But I don't know what your, your community is like there. If it feeds your soul or if you just like the workouts or you don't want to waste the money because that makes a big difference.

[Mackenzie]

I do go with a couple of my best friends. It's a really, really good community. I'm a stay at home mom, so it kind of feeds that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, that's good.

[Mackenzie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

No, that's enough. That's enough. I like Maps Anabolic. Why?

[Sal Destefano]

I like 15.

[Adam Schaefer]

Mass 15 is a lot in the gym. They're only going to go two days a week or three days a week.

[Sal Destefano]

Stack the days.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean you could do that too. It's very similar.

[Sal Destefano]

Maps 15. What I like about Maps 15 is if you go that more than three days like Easton says you might, you, you follow it as it's laid out or if you only make it three days, you stack two of the days. And so it's basically you either do two exercises or four exercises in the gym and it's appropriate. It's a more Appropriate volume paired with your kickboxing that you might be doing. So I think Anabolic is too much with her kickboxing and stuff.

[Adam Schaefer]

Two days a week we might be okay. But yeah, even one. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

She's talking about she owned three times a week kickboxing.

[Adam Schaefer]

And so that's a lot. Don't do the weight lifting in the class. You could skip that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you still have Mass 15, you could do. Because you do have that, you could do that program and what Adam's saying would be good. The other alternative, if you skipped all the other stuff that you're doing would be a power lift. And then you guys can both really focus on getting strong at deadlifting squatting.

[Sal Destefano]

I mean, that's what I love to see.

[Justin Andrews]

Build that skill would be amazing.

[Adam Schaefer]

I mean, and you guys would hit some PRs by the end of that program for sure.

[Mackenzie]

I could, I could skip for the summer. It's not gonna.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I've been listening long enough to know

[Mackenzie]

that might be what you said. You know, and I could always go back to it in the fall.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, your body will benefit from it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But yeah, you guys will hit some PRs.

[Sal Destefano]

Like, you'll just get way more results that way. If I, if I, if, if you were hell bent on going into class and it was something really important on the community part, I'd still let you do it as my client.

[Adam Schaefer]

I would just adjustable.

[Sal Destefano]

I would just warn you that we, you know, the power. We're not going to get the most out of the power lifting. And if you're not seeing the results you want, that's part of the reason why. And so you'll get the most, you'll feel the best. You'll get the strongest from running power lift just straight up the way it is.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I mean, you expect. Yeah, you guys will hit some PRs in the big. The three big lifts. And now, now with diet. Here's the thing though, and I'll speak to your son because this is difficult for teenagers. You gotta hit, you gotta hit your protein intake, which means don't skip breakfast. That's a big one. So you wanna hit your body weight plus maybe 10, 20 grams of protein in grams every single day. Every single day. Because if you do that at your age, plus follow mass power lift. Oh man, you'll go back to school. You'll go back to school after the summer and everyone's gonna look at you and be like, what happened to you?

[Heather]

That's exactly what I want.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's what'll happen?

[Sal Destefano]

The key is that the key's gonna be eating the protein.

[Adam Schaefer]

Then the protein is, that's the hardest part. And the other one's sleep. So those are the two that teenagers mess up is the sleep. And I'm telling you, it doesn't make a little difference. It makes a huge difference. So it's like turbocharging all your results. So you hit your protein, you go to bed and wake up at the same time every day. Follow maps, powerlift with your mom. You'll be, be. You'll blow people away.

[Sal Destefano]

How, how are we with breakfast right now? What's breakfast look like?

[Heather]

My school starts a little early, so normally it's just like microwaved something.

[Sal Destefano]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

So a decent investment mom would be like magic spoon cereal, something that's got, he can have 30, 40 grams of protein. That's quick and easy. Something like that. That'll that because the key is to stay ahead of the protein because you have, if you get in, you have a, a 8 gram, 10 gram protein breakfast in the microwave real quick, then you're playing ketchup. Lunchtime, you have some sort of a sandwich or something which is only another 15, 20 grams of protein. Before you know it, you're way behind on protein. So hitting protein consistently day in and day out with the weightlifting will radically change strength and weight. Yeah, so you'll look totally different.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, but because it's summer, you're, you got access to, you know, more food, you're not at school, this should be a little easier. But you do that plus sleep plus follow power lift together and then mom, same thing for you. Hit your target body weight in grams of protein consistently. Get good sleep, keep your steps up. You know, 10,000 steps a day is good. You're also gonna see radical change. And especially if you skip by skipping all the cardio classes, you're gonna see the sculpt the shape, metabolism, boost the whole thing. So this will be a lot of fun, you guys. In fact, I want you guys back on after the summer. I want to hear about what happened. Happen.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Mackenzie]

I, they always, you know, turn their nose up as my Greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Here's it from you.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

So I'll tell you this with the cottage cheese. I'll tell you a secret that makes it taste better. Take some vanilla whey protein powder, put it in it, stir it up and throw some pineapple in it. Because I'm not a big fan of cottage cheese by itself. But if you put some vanilla whey in there, it sweetens it up. And then with some pineapple. And it's got a real good taste to it. Now you're talking about 40, 50 grams of protein, too, in one shot.

[Adam Schaefer]

And here's the thing, and I'll just, you know, again, I'll speak to Easton. Separating yourself from your peers, so you want to be stronger, you want to be more focused, you want to be more successful, more jacked, all that stuff, it means you're gonna have to do things different than everybody. And so food is different than just what tastes good and what's convenient. It's like I'm fueling my body and I'm feeling these gains. And so that mentality, I'm gonna tell you right now, at your age, because you're young, you get that mentality now. You start strength training now, bro, by the time you're 19, you're gonna be in another universe. Absolutely. So this is a great time to start.

[Randy]

What do you think?

[Mackenzie]

Okay, so, like, three days. Is powerlift a three day a week?

[Adam Schaefer]

Three or four? Yeah, three or four.

[Mackenzie]

Okay, perfect.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep. Okay, we'll send that. We'll send that over to you guys.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, let's get you back on a few months.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hit that pro.

[Mackenzie]

Appreciate you guys.

[Sal Destefano]

All right, you got it.

[Mackenzie]

Thank you guys so much.

[Adam Schaefer]

Good job, guys.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, good luck.

[Adam Schaefer]

I love, like, first of all, I think that's cool that he's working out with mom and that mom is taking the time out to do this with her son. Such a great experience together. But, you know, you start with the right kind of idea and discipline, this is the big one, especially for young men. Discipline is so important for young men because we're so.

[Justin Andrews]

So.

[Adam Schaefer]

It's so easy for us to be on discipline. But you, you know, strength training, diet, like, you figure out that discipline, especially now, it can go off the rails. But if you start to figure that out at 13, sure, bro. You're so far ahead of your peers by the time you're 16, 17, 18, it's incredible. And he's gonna have some crazy gains to summon strength this summer.

[Sal Destefano]

I hope they do it. I hope he does it. It'd be really cool to see if he. If he sticks with it, because, yeah, it'll be. He'll definitely. He'll come back to school, like, radically different.

[Adam Schaefer]

For sure.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Tiffany from Ontario.

[Adam Schaefer]

Hi, Tiffany. Hi, Tiffany.

[Justin Andrews]

Hello.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Hi. Thank you very much. I'm excited to talk to you. So my question is, I have been training. I'm 44 I've been training since grade nine. So I've loved fitness my whole life. And when I started around 19 years old, I started trail running on top of lifting and I noticed I was sore all the time in the hip hips. For the last 16 years I've been seeing chiropractors and physios and everyone under the sun trying to figure out, you know, why I'm, you know, my one hip, especially my left hip was bothering me. And because I'm a landscaper, everyone just kept saying, you know, it's your job and your exercise. And so I would do physio and I wake up every morning at 4am and I do physio and then some nights I would come home limping. Some days I couldn't make it through work, some days I go to the gym and I can lift and other days I can't. So I found out I have hip dysplasia. And because this has been going on for so long now, I have arthritis and I have spurs in my hip. So my question is I do have some exercises that I've been finding are helpful, but I'm having my hip replaced in eight months and I want to know how I can kind of prepare for that so that I come out better than before.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, good question. Typically when I meet someone like you who exercises consistently but with chronic pain and kind of like flare ups of injury or arthritis, so we're not talking about sedentary people, we're talking about someone who's active. There's usually a few culprits. It's either over training poor movement patterns which they have a tough time correcting because they exercise so much much that they continue to strengthen the poor recruitment pattern or nutrient deficiency or too low of caloric intake or all the above.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yep, maybe, possibly.

[Adam Schaefer]

Is that all of you said? What did you say? Sorry?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I said probably all of those.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, okay.

[Sal Destefano]

Yep, that makes sense.

[Adam Schaefer]

Now tell. Okay, let's, let's start with the last one that I said. Tell me about your food intake. Do you know how many calories you eat a day? You sound very active.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

So yeah, so when I'm off season because I'm in Canada, so I don't landscape over the winter in my off season, I honestly, I eat intuitively, but I do eat a lot of red meat. I eat a lot of carbohydrates that are whole foods. Like I love plantain and rice and oats. So I'm not, I'm actually an eater, I would say I'm someone that eats But I also have a lot of output. I'm a little bit of a hummingbird, so I'm always on the go. And then in my working season, I struggle to eat maybe throughout the day because I'm so busy and I'm so active. And then I come home and I crush, like, a big dinner. So I'm not. If I'm under eating, it might be. Not intentionally, but I am very restrictive with what I eat. I try to eat, you know, as close to nature as possible. And I don't. I don't really have treat meals. I feel like, you know, I have good digestion when I eat whole foods. So I just eat, you know, a lot of the things that I love that are healthy for me. Me.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, so let's back up. So you started exercising in the ninth grade?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yes.

[Adam Schaefer]

What was the motivation back then?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I don't. You know what. My dad died young of diabetes, and so I watched someone who could have helped themselves not help themselves. And I think I just started loving that I could kind of be healthy based on how I lived. And my first job was a fitness instructor. Like, I taught aerobics when I was in grade nine. So there was just something that I guess it was. I like to be the opposite of what I was witnessing at home.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. It must have been scary to watch that your dad go through that.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yeah, maybe scary, but I'm a little stubborn. So to me, I just never understood the rationale behind being able to fix something and then not fixing it.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I get it. I get that. Has anybody ever told you that you're too. That you're too controlling with your diet or that it's too restrictive?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Yeah, definitely. But I would also say I don't know about quantity. Like, people are always surprised how much food I can eat, but I'm not someone who deviates from the foods that I eat. For one. Like, I do do it from time to time. Like, I love pizza, and for my birthday, I'll have cake. And I won't feel guilt about that, but I do find I just feel better the rest of the week when I stick close to, like, the foods that I know work for me.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, cool. And you've had bone density tested along with all of this?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

No.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, you should. Yeah, I would get bone density tested along with all of this. And then let's talk about exercise. What is your. Like, what does your daily activity look like and your workouts look like?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

So when I'm working, I get up at 4, like I said, and I do My physio and I might do, I'll call it a trigger session in the morning because I'm trying to maintain the muscle that I put in the winter. And then I go to work and I put in a 10 hour day of labor. So I have a very active eight months of year. And the winter, I, I would say my activity is walking my dogs. I don't do cardio. I just walk my dogs for my, my cardio. And then I hit the gym for. And then the rest of the day I kind of like, like, because I'm so burnt out for eight months a year if I want to be a little lazy or if I want to clean the house, like I don't put a lot of pressure on myself in the off season.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, and then what does your strength training look like?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I try to lift as heavy as possible. I take long rest periods. My legs, because of my hip dysplasia and which I didn't know it was hip dysplasia until this year, but I would lift what I felt I could do without the pain.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

It's body weight. Some days I start warming my hips up and I have to go to upper body because it's just too painful. But if I can lift, I might lift six to eight reps. Heavy.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

But if it's a day where, you know, that doesn't feel good, then I'll drop the weights and I'll, I'll lift to 10 to 15. It just, I kind of like now that I'm older, I don't push through it like I used to.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I just. A little better.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, good. Okay, good. And then if you don't mind me asking, height and weight.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

I'm 56 and I'm 103 pounds.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. Okay. So what's gonna help you the most? Obviously? Continue moving, continue strength training. You're gonna want to go into the surgery with more muscle and more body fat at your height and your weight and what you're describing. So you're active. So it's not like you're not active. You're doing some. You're doing the exercises, you're doing the right ones. You do physio, so you're doing the correctional exercises. So that's all good. But you're going to have a easier time recovering going into the surgery with more weight on your body. Yeah. Because you're going to be catabolic. Post surgery. This is what happens. So post surgery you can't move much. And the name of what happens this is just natural is you're going to lose some muscle and you're going to lose some weight.

[Heather]

Weight.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. This is what happens. And if you don't have a lot of weight to lose, this can be very detrimental. So you. So someone like you is going to want to go in. I'd like to. And when is your surgery?

[GoFundMe Announcer]

November.

[Adam Schaefer]

Oh, you got time.

[Sal Destefano]

Oh, good.

[Adam Schaefer]

I'd like to see you gain 15 to 20 pounds. Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

Even if it's body fat. So don't. Don't overthink the. What you're eating. It's like, it's better that we put on body fat than we put on. No way.

[Adam Schaefer]

If you could do it with healthy food, there's nothing. I think that's great.

[Sal Destefano]

Of course.

[Adam Schaefer]

I think that's great. Great. But you.

[Sal Destefano]

But if I had to choose you not not eating something or eating something with high calories, just eat you. I want. I want weight on going into that. Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

You're going to want to go in a good 15 to 20 pounds heavier, feeling strong, and that's going to give you a nice buffer. I would also suggest a bone density test.

[Sal Destefano]

DEXA scan will do that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah. And just see where you're at. And if your bone density, with all the exercise you've been doing, if the test says that your bone density is in the lower range, for sure. Your. Your. Your caloric intake has been too low for too long. For sure. Because the only time you see that when people are active in the exercise but they have low bone density, it's because they're not eating enough. Yeah. Because obviously activity, strength training sends a signal to strengthen bone. It just does. But if you don't feed your body enough, you're gonna lose bone density. So I. I really suggest you do that. That. And if you are my client going into surgery and we're like, oh, we got till November. My goal with you is continue strength training, traditional strength training. Make sure you pick the right exercises, which it sounds like you're doing the right ones. Make sure you have good technique. And I'm gonna have you gain weight. I want you to go in 15 pounds heavier, at least. And that'll give us a nice buffer. Because if you go in at 103 pounds, you're gonna. After, you're gonna get down to 90 and you're gonna feel not great because you just don't have much to lose. Lose there. Well.

[Sal Destefano]

And it'll be all good weight. You'll lose.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Sal Destefano]

And like, if you go in with some body fat, at least we have some Body fat for your body.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, we want to gain muscle and body fat going into it, definitely.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

My other question is, and I don't know, maybe this is a. Just in question, but, like, I don't move well laterally, and I think because my hip is so unstable, and I. And I've been trying to, like, you know, build muscle on my glutes and stuff like that to, like, you know, stabilize my hip, but I think I'm nervous now because I've hurt myself so many times, and, like, I would try something, and then I wouldn't sleep for the week because I was poor. But I don't move well laterally, and I don't move well with instability. And I don't know, is that something. Do I wait till after surgery that I work on, or do I try

[Justin Andrews]

to work on it now very gradually, Very progressively. You can. Can make steps in that. That direction. Something like a tube walk to. To start in terms of, like, having you slightly hip hinged or squatted, and then kind of walking laterally to get some kind of resistance to that would start. Kind of help to build and develop.

[Adam Schaefer]

Isometrics would be that.

[Justin Andrews]

Isometrics would be amazing.

[Sal Destefano]

90, 90, 90 work. And two walks would be awesome.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, you got to be careful with the hip dysplasia with 90, 90. But I would go isometrics and press against something like you're doing an abduction. Not fully abducted, but, like halfway press into something really, really hard for 15 to 20 seconds and rest. Very safe for people with joint instability. And it still builds strength, and it's actually a great way to build like

[Justin Andrews]

a yoga block against the wall. That would be ideal.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yep.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And I think, too, at some point, if it feels comfortable just to, you know, in a wide stance, just, you know, bend one knee, kind of shift your weight to one side, come back. So it's not necessarily like a depth thing. It's just acclimating to that lateral stability.

[Sal Destefano]

If you had, like, a suspension chain or to help support that way, dude, that would be great. So I don't know if you have a suspension trainer or not, but anchoring that, holding that while you kind of do what Justin's saying, almost like a Cossack squat, where you're going right to

[Adam Schaefer]

left, but don't go full range of motion. Yep. With what you have, you're gonna go shorter range of motion.

[Justin Andrews]

And we're just gradually, incrementally, like inch by inch.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right. Right.

[Sal Destefano]

That in a calorie surplus, would serve you really well.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yes.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

And did you guys ever have, like, people that recovered from hip surgery that like. Like, am I going to be able to do different movements that I couldn't do before, or is this kind of like, same, but no pain?

[Adam Schaefer]

No. You'll be fine? No. So I've had great success, but it all. It all hinges on how well you go into it. Corrective work, and then after. Okay, now your range of motion will be limited post with hip. With hip replacement. So if you're really hyper mobile now, you're not gonna have that same mobility, but you'll have good mobility. So it's not like you have bad mobility. What the mistake people will often make with replacement is they. They start to go crazy. They try to really challenge. And those joints, those replacement joints are not made to do that. And so they cause problems. But if you get. If you do good, like, you go into it strong and healthy and you come out of it and you're very diligent about your rehab and your strengthening, you'll be fine.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Okay, thank you guys very much.

[Adam Schaefer]

I have a question, Tiffany. Would you be open to working with a coach between now and November to work on the things we talked about? Because I think it would be very helpful to have somebody work with you, especially with nutrition, to get to that point. Is that. Would you be open to that or.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Absolutely, absolutely. For me, my biggest thing is I don't train as much like I. My training sessions are closer to like the trigger set. Not trigger your 15 minutes or 30 minutes. Because I'm.

[Sal Destefano]

That's okay. Yeah, that's good. That's okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Better? Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

[Sal Destefano]

That's totally fine.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay. I'm gonna have a coach call you Tiffany.

[GoFundMe Announcer]

Perfect. Thank you very much.

[Adam Schaefer]

You got it. Thank you. Yeah. So, I mean, I have my. I have my suspicions on what I think that the challenge is. That's why I asked for a bone. Bone density test will tell us right out the gates if that's the case. But I'll tell you what, look, if you go into surgery, okay, if you have two people that work out, one person goes in overweight, remember, they both work out. So they both. They both exercise. One goes in overweight, one goes in underweight. Underweight, far worse recovery. Of course, far worse recovery. Being underweight puts you at a high risk with any kind of illness or injury or surgery. You just. Because you're catabolic post surgery.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, and there's nothing to tap into. That's where. That's what I mean. That's why my point was of course, going through Whole Foods, but I. She's allowed to have cake, she's allowed to eat. I want calories. She needs to put, she needs to put calories.

[Adam Schaefer]

But I'd like to see where they're at because she's saying she eats a lot. But people are always, yeah, but that's.

[Sal Destefano]

No, no.

[Adam Schaefer]

Who knows?

[Sal Destefano]

You're not eating. You can't be pasta a lot from her perspective, for sure, but not a lot as in enough, whatever it is,

[Justin Andrews]

calorie, dense wise, Maybe not.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, you could be eating a lot of very low calorie foods that are not. And she needs calories.

[Adam Schaefer]

And the reason why I asked just for people listening, like, you know, we've worked with enough people and when you, when you go back to the initial motivation for why in ninth grade, that's a young age to really getting to work out, getting into working out. And if it's like I was really overweight or somebody died, there's often this fear attached to what you're doing and that can lead you in a direction that is often not great.

[Sal Destefano]

Well, it could lead into the thing, the very thing that you fear year as something unhealthy.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's right.

[Sal Destefano]

Because if she gets that test back and her bone density is really bad, that's just as unhealthy, just in a different direction.

[Doug]

Our next caller is Heather from Michigan.

[Adam Schaefer]

Hi, Heather. How you doing, Heather? Hello.

[Heather]

Hey guys. Very excited to be on the podcast. I've been listening to you for going on seven years, I think so, yeah. You've been my source of entertainment education for fitness for a long, long time. So I really appreciate it. But, but cool.

[Adam Schaefer]

How can we help you? Sweet.

[Heather]

Yeah, so like, like most people, I'll just read my question. I'm a 28 year old female with an immense passion for health, fitness and helping others. Throughout my life, I've played many sports, including running, cross country and track at the collegiate level. However, now that I've graduated college, I have solely focused on staying active through resistance training and walking slash hiking. I have a bachelor's degree in athletic training and I've always been super interested in health and fitness. However, I don't have a personal training certificate. I've been listening to Mind Pump for going on seven years now and I've learned so much from Sal, Adam and Justin. I even got the chance to meet you guys at the Olympia a few years ago. So I'd love to know what's the best path for someone who doesn't have direct Experience with training clients to become a Mind Pump certified personal trainer. I just think fitness has always been a big passion of mine and I've been working in the supplement industry for several years now. And I'm just considering starting it either as like a side hustle or maybe even a career change. But I'm just curious what your guys thoughts are because I know a lot of people or a lot of companies, they want someone with experience. Right. I mean, that's the biggest thing that they're looking for. So for me, beyond getting maybe some certifications through NASM or something like that, that, yeah. I'm just curious what you guys are. Your thoughts are on someone who's looking to get into personal training.

[Adam Schaefer]

Well, this is cool.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schaefer]

So you want us to interview. We'll do a little. Let's do a little pre interview right now. So. Okay. So we've, we've fully empowered Kyle who runs our fitness department, so he makes the decisions on who works here. But we could talk a little bit about the culture and what we're looking for with our coaches. And we've said this before, we don't hire trainers, we make them. So I'm far less interested in a trainer who's got all this pedigree. But if they don't have the right character, I could care less. One of our, like, who now runs our sales department, who's excellent, does a great job. Marcelo, less than a year ago, I think still was a police officer. So he had no experience. I mean, he worked out on his own, but he had no experience. And now he does a phenomenal job for us. So we're looking for character more than anything. But I want to hear from you, what makes you want to work at Mind Pump? What makes you want to be a mind Pump trainer or coach?

[Heather]

I think it's mainly the message you guys put out. Obviously, being a fitness fanatic, I've always went after optimizing everything. And I think now that I've gone through my own fitness journey and I'm getting older, I'm starting to realize how important it is to be like more simplified and have a more realistic approach to training. Like, not everybody has time to train or even wants to train, you know, five, six days a week. So I love the message you guys preach in terms of sustainability and making these small changes that really impact people's lives. Like, and to me, I feel like beyond the paycheck, beyond all that, like, that makes such a bigger impact. It's like, if I could use this knowledge, I have that I've gained and also build upon that maybe from learning, you know, from you guys and the trainers and whatnot, that I could help others. And I mean to me it's like a win, win situation. So I just love, like I said, the message you guys preach and all the things that I've learned and through experience, through, like I said, my own journey, I've realized like, wow, this is something where there's so many people out there that, you know, their lives could benefit from this. And I would just love to even just help some people. It doesn't have to be, be, you know, it doesn't have to be like thousands of people. But yeah, that's just where my true passion lies. I think I have experienced that through even my own career. I'm like, I really enjoy this and if it's like, if I could build a career through that, I mean, that would be a dream for me.

[Sal Destefano]

What are you currently doing?

[Adam Schaefer]

Cool.

[Sal Destefano]

What do you do?

[Heather]

Right now I'm a regulatory analyst for a supplement company. So basically helping on project teams to develop different nutritional products to make sure they're compliant with like US and can Canada regulations.

[Sal Destefano]

So how long you been doing that for?

[Heather]

Just a year. Because previous to that I was working for some other supplement companies doing product development and formulation. But this company is located in Michigan and that's where my family's from. So I wanted to get back to being closer to family. It was very important to me. So I used to live in Pennsylvania and then I lived in Jersey and I worked for a couple different sports nutrition companies doing, yeah, product formulation.

[Sal Destefano]

So was it always the career that made you move? Was that how you left? I mean, how did you.

[Heather]

Yeah, okay, yeah, basically. But you know, as you get older and your parents get older and you know, all my siblings and whatnot, I was like, I don't want to miss out on that. I feel like, you know, I kind of did what I wanted to do and experienced leaving, you know, leaving my home state and everything to do those things. And I was fortunate enough to, to get those opportunities at a young age out of college. It was kind of a non traditional path for me because I had a, like I said, I had a degree in athletic training, so nothing to do with supplements necessarily. So it was all like self taught and just worked my way up from there.

[Adam Schaefer]

Okay, that sounds good. I like that you want to be around family. The only challenge is what we're really interested in right now are people who live here in California because we're looking for we want, we like the culture, or should I say we value the culture that we're building and we do have remote coaches, but it's the culture that we have here is what we're most interested in. So I don't know if that's even something that's plausible for you to move and live somewhere else, you know, like here in California.

[Heather]

Yeah, I, I visited California a handful of times. We actually had a manufacturer out there we used to work with. So I, I've been out there. That's why I wanted to kind of chat with you guys. If there was any opportunity for maybe whether it's maybe doing training in person and then eventually going remote. I don't know what that would look like, but I guess that was part of maybe this question as well if you guys are looking to. Because like I said, I, I know based on my athletic training degree it's very valuable to get hands on experience and to be there and you get the most out of any experience doing that. But I don't know if you guys like, I wanted to get understanding of your goal if it's like, hey, we want to be able to have trainers accessible across the US or what that

[Sal Destefano]

look like we have both. We have, so we have remote coaches do. And, and you would get a training, you get a week here. So typically what Kyle does, if you pass the interview with him and you want to live where you're at currently, then he'd have like a week where you would fly out here and you do in person training with the team. You'd meet all the trainers here, you'd meet us work here for a week where you learn all the systems and then he'd send you back home and then, and some of the, some of the trainers, they're currently remote with the ultimate goal to move up in the company and then maybe come back back this way. Some of them want to stay remote and just be a remote coach for us as far as career wise the. There's way more money and coming back and, and moving up. And so it's kind of how the system we've built is. We understand people have lives over there and they want to slowly scale but ultimately if you wanted to make a career out of it, you'd want to work for the company. Where the company is at, that's where all the opportunity, that's where all the opportunity for growth and actually actual real income is at. But you can still make money by being a remote coach and, and doing that. And we have quite a few of those, we have more remote coaches than we have personal coaches. We've only got about nine here and we have about 12 that are remote. And so that is a possibility. And that's what that pathway looks like. It would look like interviewing with Kyle. He thinks you're a great fit. Then he would schedule a week where you would come out here for a week and you, you would work with us for a week, week and then send you with all our systems and how it works and then they'd slow you, scale you up with clients and that's how you would do that.

[Adam Schaefer]

But just, just if I, you know, just to give you an edge, there's a higher consideration when someone's like, I'll be willing to live here because that's what we're most interested in. You know, I don't, I don't get face to face time with my remote coaches and neither does Kyle very often. But the coaches that are here, this is the family. This is what really, now we all consider everybody family, but when you're here, this is where everything happens. And so that's the edge. So when someone's like, I'm willing to move and I'll come intern for a month and learn and show you that I'm good and then I'll move here and make it happen, that places you near the top of the list of people to consider. So just for you, if you end up applying and talking to Kyle, if that's something you're open to, then I would communicate that. If not, don't say it, but it does give, it does give you an edge. Are you in our certification course?

[Heather]

Not yet, no. And so, like, ever since I started thinking about this and I submitted my question, I've been, you know, I've been considering this for a while, but I started to look, you know, more into obviously NASM and then your guys's elite trainer course as well. So I started to look into all those things and that's why I was like, well, I'd love to talk to them, to kind of chat through what they, they recommend me maybe starting with or what based on my goal of, you know, becoming a personal trainer. And like I said, I wouldn't really want to learn from anybody else because I just, I align with your guys's, you know, message, your values and yeah, that's what I would want to.

[Sal Destefano]

Yeah, the, what I, my recommendation then would be to get into the lead trainer course for sure. Because then you're, no matter what you're learning from our in There. Right. And it's designed to help somebody from where you're at build a business. So whether you end up working for us directly or not. Not. The next step I would go is go right into Elite Trainer Academy, get in there, and then also apply with Kyle and. And that'[e-mail] so if you do that, that would be your first one and two step. No matter what.

[Adam Schaefer]

You already have a bachelor's degree in athletic training and NASM would be like. We would look at NASM like your degree, but our. Our certification weighs much higher because it's. It's, again, it's our philosophy, it's our culture. Yeah. And we're teaching you the things we would teach you if you worked here. Yeah. In that class.

[Sal Destefano]

Any, like, even if. Even if you didn't work for us and you. It still would be the pathway. Sal said you already have a degree in the field, and so in the field, that's as weighted as an NASM is or anything else is. And so you already have some good formal education. Ours is more heavily on our philosophy and application and then the business side. And so. Which I think will serve you no matter what, whether you're working with us or not. And so I would get into that and then I would. And then I'd reach out to Kyle by applying.

[Adam Schaefer]

Let me do this, Heather. Let me have my education director call you and talk to you about our course, because she runs all of our education. And then if this all sounds good, you [e-mail] and you can say in there that you talk to us here on the podcast and we sent you there.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep.

[Heather]

Okay.

[Adam Schaefer]

Awesome.

[Heather]

I'm really looking forward to this. Like I said, this is surreal since I've been listening to you guys for so long and I've learned so much, not only about, like, how people say this a lot, you know, fitness, but just life in general. So.

[Adam Schaefer]

Awesome.

[Heather]

I really appreciate all the, you know, all the value you guys provide beyond just fitness education. So.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Sal Destefano]

Appreciate that.

[Adam Schaefer]

Hopefully we'll see you.

[Heather]

Yeah, yeah, I'll do that. I'm looking forward to connecting with them.

[Sal Destefano]

So thank you and we'll call you.

[Heather]

See ya.

[Adam Schaefer]

Yeah, I mean, for anybody listening, that's going to give you an edge and you're willing to come intern for a month and show that you got what it takes. It's definitely a privilege to be a coach here. The amount of learning, exposure, training, leads, types of clients you get here. Obviously, we have the largest fitness podcast in the world. So it's just a crazy amount of potential clients that come through.

[Justin Andrews]

But you got to reflect us and our philosophy.

[Adam Schaefer]

That's it. And what we want is character more than anything else. More than. More than education, even more than experience. Experience is good. But even more than that. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

[Doug]

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