2848: The #1 Longevity Factor Nobody Talks About (It's Not the Gym)

Summary

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Episode 2848: The #1 Longevity Factor Nobody Talks About (It's Not the Gym)
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge
Date: May 1, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the often-overlooked factors influencing longevity. The Mind Pump crew reviews traditional assumptions (like gym workouts, dieting, or cardio) and systematically breaks down the real science behind what helps people live longer, healthier lives. They analyze data on exercise modalities, daily movement, diet, stress management, social connection, and highlight surprising statistics—revealing that the most powerful longevity factor isn’t always what people expect. The episode also features their signature lively banter, tangents on saunas, social relationships, and memorable stories, ensuring a mix of actionable takeaways and entertainment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Impacts Longevity Most? Debunking the Myths

[02:24–08:34]

• Common beliefs vs. actual data:
  Most people think cardiovascular exercise or eating healthy is most important for longevity, likely due to longstanding public messaging.

  “People will associate cardiovascular exercise... as the most with longevity.” — Sal [03:44]

• Examined factors:

  • Eating healthy
  • Cardiovascular exercise
  • Strength training
  • Stress management
  • Daily general activity (movement)
  • Relationships / Social connection

• Research limitations:
  Data on diet often rely on self-reported surveys, which are inconsistent. Strength training has less long-term data compared to cardio.

  “Healthy diets, very difficult one, because it’s based off surveys… Cardiovascular exercise, there’s way more data.” — Sal [04:06]

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2. Cardiovascular Exercise—Pros, Cons, and Sweet Spots

[04:50–07:18]

• Findings:

  • Higher aerobic fitness: 20–40% lower all-cause mortality.
  • Even low volumes (15 minutes/day): 14% lower mortality.
  • “Sweet spot”: 75–150 minutes/week of cardio yields best benefit. Too much/endurance extremes show diminishing or negative longevity effects.

• Muscle Mass:
  High-level endurance athletes may suffer longevity negatives due to lack of muscle or excessive stress.

  “It’s like a bell curve… You can chase performance and at some point you start to sacrifice longevity for performance.” — Sal [06:42]

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3. Strength Training—The Power of Strength, Not Just Muscle Mass

[08:41–12:04]

• Strength training linked to 20–25% lower mortality risk.

• Grip strength especially correlates to longevity.

• Minimal time investment (as little as 30 min/week) delivers significant benefits.

• Too much (e.g., powerlifting/bodybuilding extremes) reduces longevity.

  “It’s the strength that has the strongest correlate, not the muscle.” — Sal [31:35]

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4. The Hidden Power of Daily Movement

[17:03–18:25]

• Most impactful yet underestimated factor: Regular daily movement (walking, chores, gardening, etc.)

• 47–70% lower all-cause mortality—the highest of all individual lifestyle factors discussed.

• Anecdotes about older relatives and cultural practices reinforce these findings:

  “People ranked [daily movement] pretty darn low… It’s the most.” — Sal [18:18]

• Movement doesn't have to be a “workout”—just staying active all day, every day.

• Modern society’s design often discourages daily movement.

  “We’ve really designed our lives in a way that is so anti-longevity. It’s just so bad.” — Sal [24:24]

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5. Sauna Use—A Surprising Longevity Hack

[07:48–10:23, 09:18]

• Sauna use 4–7 times/week: ~40% reduced risk of all-cause mortality (Finnish study: 2,300 men, 20 years)
• Easy to do; enjoyable for many = more likely to stick with it.
• Enhances cardiovascular health and recovery, can be combined with workouts.

“There’s a wonderful combining effect… doing these things well gives you better results than you would expect… they contribute to each other.” — Sal [08:08]

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6. Diet, Stress, and the Opportunity of Simple Choices

[13:50–15:36]

• Eating healthy: 18–24% lower all-cause mortality rate (1.5–3 years longer on average).

• Stress management: 23–30% reduction in mortality—a surprisingly large, under-discussed factor.

• Quality of Life: It's about "healthspan," not just lifespan. People who practice good health habits not only live longer but remain independent and vibrant in their later years.

  “Your last 10 years of life look different when you’re fit versus when you’re not fit.” — Sal [14:48]

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7. The Compounding Effect—"1 + 1 = 3" for Health Habits

[08:08–08:34, 12:18]

• Combining habits gives multiplicative—not just additive—effects.
• Mixing moderate cardio with strength training: ~47% reduction in all-cause mortality.

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8. Relationships & Community: The Longevity Connection

[03:20–03:22, 26:15–29:52]

• Social connection supports longevity directly and enhances chances of sticking to movement, eating, and stress management routines.

• Community is the “force multiplier” across all longevity habits.

• Gym consistency is most often driven by community, not programming.

  “If you’re looking for the one thing that will contribute positively to everything else… it’s probably good relationships and community.” — Sal [26:19]

• COVID isolation sharply demonstrated the impact of social deprivation—dramatic, rapid decline in elderly relatives.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the power of daily movement:

  “It’s 47 to 70% [lower all-cause mortality]… and it’s just moving every day.” — Sal [18:18]

• On the compounding effect:

  “Doing all these things well… is like 1 + 1 = 3. They have this kind of additive or multiplying type effect.” — Sal [08:08]

• On relationships:

  “That social part. Such an important… such an important… I think it feeds into a lot of the other ones.” — Doug [29:35]

• On modern life:

  “We’ve really designed our lives… in a way that is so anti-longevity.” — Sal [24:24]

• On COVID’s impact on family:

  “My grandparents… looked like they aged five years in four months [of isolation].” — Sal [29:06]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Longevity Myths vs. Data Introduced: [02:24–04:47]
• Cardio’s True Value: [04:50–07:18]
• Sauna and Habit Stacking: [07:48–10:23]
• Strength Training: [08:41–12:04]
• Diet’s Effects & Healthspan: [13:50–15:36]
• Stress Management Impact: [15:36–17:03]
• Daily Movement: Ultimate Longevity Lever: [17:03–18:25]
• Stories & Real-World Examples: [18:25–24:24]
• Relationships, Community & Social Connection: [26:15–29:52]
• COVID—A Cautionary Tale on Social Health: [29:06–29:25]

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Additional Highlights

Sauna Study Details

“Men who use the sauna four to seven times per week had roughly 40% lower risk of all-cause mortality, compared to once a week.” — Doug [09:18]

How Our Beliefs Change

• Hosts relate personal growth, e.g., from underestimating clients’ daily activity to now seeing it as a top priority.

Exercise Programming Q&A

• Priming vs. Stretching: Priming customized to individual needs before workouts; cooldown static stretching valuable after, to reinforce stability or flexibility gains. [68:15–73:20]
• Postpartum Programming: Start with beginner programs, tailor to progress and recovery pace; don’t rush. [73:42–76:18]
• Knee Health After Surgery: Focus on hip, ankle strength and mobility; unilateral/lateral work key. [76:45–78:19]
• Applying as a Mind Pump Trainer: Emphasis on character, philosophy, education, and a lengthy internship vetting process. [78:29–80:36]

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The Mind Pump Tone

• Friendly, evidence-based, often irreverent; blends nerdy statistics, lived experience, and relatable humor.
• Numerous stories and analogies ground the science in everyday language.
• Open admission of how trainers’ own advice and habits have changed as they learned more.

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Memorable "Off Script" Segments

• Sauna routines, Fitbit for farts, and funny family moments interweave humor and accessibility.
• Personal tales about COVID’s impact, neighborhood dynamics, and parenting tie scientific findings to real life.
• “The strongest correlate is the strength, not the muscle… Building muscle without strength doesn’t give you the same protection or longevity effects.” — Sal [31:35]

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Key Takeaways

• The “magic pill” for longevity: Move more throughout the day—daily steps, chores, walks, gardening—outranks any individual gym workout.
• Cardio and strength training both matter, but modest amounts are optimal; extremes can be counterproductive.
• Relationships, stress management, and community have outsized effects—more than most assume.
• Stacking habits (e.g., moderate fitness + social + nutrition + even sauna) yields compounding returns.
• It’s not about adding years to your life, but life to your years—keeping healthspan (quality of life) front of mind.

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For More or to Become a Mind Pump Trainer:
Visit mindpumpmedia.com or Instagram @mindpumpmedia.

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This episode exemplifies Mind Pump at its best: busting myths, prioritizing what actually works, and reminding us that the simplest daily habits—done with consistency and community—are the real secrets to a long, healthy life.

Transcript

[Sal Di Stefano]

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[Adam Schafer]

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[Justin Andrews]

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[Sal Di Stefano]

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[Adam Schafer]

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[Sal Di Stefano]

much do the things like eating healthy, cardiovascular exercise, strength training, stress management, and daily general activity actually affect longevity. You want to live longer, you want to live healthier for longer. How much do each of those actually contribute? We have the data and we're going to talk about it right now.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's go like, individually.

[Doug]

Now.

[Sal Di Stefano]

This is.

[Doug]

This is what people think. This isn't necessarily what.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, we're going to talk about what people will think. And then. I got the data.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I got the data in terms of what. What they actually contribute.

[Doug]

Yeah. Because I'm curious to what. Because I know Danny did this on, like, a chat. Gbt, like, survey thing and figured out, like, what do most people think? And some of those I think would be on the list. But then there's some things that weren't on that list that I. That I thought of right away. So I'm curious if you got data to show other things. For example, I didn't see relationships on there. And we know. We know how important that is to health and longevity.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, sure.

[Doug]

So I'm. I'm interested.

[Adam Schafer]

Community.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah. So. So, number one, when people are asked what contributes the most or what's. What's one of the most important factors for longevity, which one do you guys think is number one out of those that people would. Would think? You know, we have. We have.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, that people would think.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. So there's eating healthy.

[Adam Schafer]

Cardiovascular exercise is way overhyped.

[Doug]

Yeah, I'd say eating healthy. It would be the number one.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Justin's actually. Right. Yeah. People will associate cardiovascular exercise.

[Adam Schafer]

It's been hammered into us for so long.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. The most with.

[Doug]

Oh, this is what people think.

[Sal Di Stefano]

This is what people think.

[Doug]

Oh, okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And then we're going to look at the data and talk about this.

[Doug]

Oh, I. Okay, That's a good call. I would have got. That's what. Because we've been told for so long. I mean, doctors have been saying forever, that's recipe.

[Adam Schafer]

Vascular health was like, always at the utmost importance.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. So I got the. Now, again, this is based off the best data that we have, and we have better data for some of these than we do for others. Healthy diets, very difficult one, because it's based off of surveys typically. So it's kind of hard to, like, really nail down what that means. That's why there's so much conflicting information. Cardiovascular exercise, there's way more data in studies on cardiovascular exercise than they're all than there is on strength training. I'd say over the last 20 years, there's been much more around strength. But you go back before that it was like no data on, on strength training. And then stress management can be a difficult one as well. And I think we could put relationships in that one. Adam?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I feel like that's kind of.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So good call.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So most people think cardiovascular training had the biggest impact and here's what the data actually shows. Higher aerobic Fitness links to 20 to 40% lower all cause mortality. So this, you know, so it's a significant improvement in, in all cause mortality. There's a 21 to 34 lower rate mortality. 22 to 38 lower cardiovascular mortality. Even low volumes. 15 minutes a day was linked to a 14 lower rate of all cause mortality. Here's what's interesting about the data though. You ready for this? Yeah. Runners or those with really high endurance activity. So people who really got great cardio, like great endurance, not as good at numbers, they have a 27 to 43% reduction in, in mortality and that's that.

[Doug]

I think that's directly connected to muscle.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I think it's connected more to just pushing performance because you'll see this in all, in all physical attributes.

[Doug]

You think so knowing how, how protective muscle is and we call it the longevity or I mean you think. I think that if you are a endurance runner, you probably don't have.

[Adam Schafer]

Probably under muscled a bit.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Well, so, so we're talking about like people who are really, really high level with that and they don't have a lot of muscle mass. But in comparison to the average person it's not bad really. No, but, but no, the average person has like no, no muscle, no strength whatsoever. But here's where I'm going with that. Strength is. And we'll get to this, right? Strength is really great predictor of mortal, of mortality. But if you go too far with it, it becomes a negative. Right. So like you could get stronger or you could be a power lifter or bodybuilder in which case now we're now taken away from longevity.

[Adam Schafer]

So I think stress, the oxidative stress, like all that accumulates a lot more with the chronic use.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Because you can chase performance and at some point you start to sacrifice longevity for performance. Right. So it's like a bell curve. Right. It's like better, better, better. Oh, we're going too far now. Now we're starting to take away, starting to go down. Yeah. So that's what the data kind of shows. And the data will show about 75 to 150 minutes per week. Of this type of activity. So this would be like 30 minutes twice a week or three days a week or something like that before it

[Doug]

tips over the other direction.

[Sal Di Stefano]

This is where you see the kind of the sweet spot when it comes to some of these things.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, for sure.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And this is good for. Where you see this have. The biggest impact is in cardiovascular health. So the two top killers of people in modern societies are heart disease and then the second one is cancer. Cancer is actually climbing now as one of the causes. And you know, all exercise reduces both. But cardiovascular exercise is really good for heart. You know, for helping with.

[Doug]

I have another one that didn't make this list. What that I think should be on here too.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What.

[Doug]

And that's sauna. Interesting because it. What's the percentage of all cause mortality reduction just from doing the sauna three times?

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know there was once. Yeah, there was a big reduction and there was one large study that often gets cited in that. Maybe Doug can look it up. I know in the Nordic countries it's much, it's practiced much more regularly.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So as we get to the end, what's interesting is there's a, there's a, there's a wonderful combining effect with some of these things. And it's not one plus one equals two. It's like one plus one equals three. So in other words, doing all these things well, it gives you better results than you would expect. When you add them all up, it's like they contribute to each other. They have this kind of additive or multiplying type effect, which is pretty cool.

[Doug]

Yeah, I mean we know that. I mean just simply strength training is one thing, but strength training with a proper diet is like compounding effects.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's right. That's right.

[Doug]

Right. Eat the proper amount of protein, eat good balance. Right. Like you talk about that, those, that strength training just gets even, even better than it by itself.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Strength training, which we'll get now we'll talk about strength training. Strength training contributes to about a 20 to 25% lower mortality risk. Now here's the caveat. With the data on strength training, there's not a lot of good studies. What we're finding though is that strength is a great predictor of mortality. We're actually finding this like really, really great predictor. Grip strength is what they're, what they're testing.

[Doug]

Look at the sauna. Doug just pulled it up. Men who use the sauna four to seven times per week had roughly 40% lower risk of all cause mortality compared to a. Once a week.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah. That was a large. Was a Finnish study. Was that what it was?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, correct.

[Sal Di Stefano]

How many people were in that study, Doug? I'd like to see.

[Doug]

What does that mean, a Finnish study?

[Justin Andrews]

Finn from Finland.

[Doug]

Oh, I thought you said Finnish.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, they're Finnish.

[Doug]

Oh, that's. Oh, I did not know that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I did not know that. Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

2300, it looks like over 20 years.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Wow. It's a pretty large study here. Okay. Yeah. So in a long study. Yeah. The thing about sauna use is it exercises your cardiovascular system, your blood vessels.

[Adam Schafer]

Exercise minimum, Quicker.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And it's become a. So my newest thing right now that I'm testing personally and I'll report back when it's been very consistent. But it's like, if I don't get to the gym lift, I at least sauna. Now that I have access to one at my house, it's either or. So it's like. And I'm really curious to see how I feel, say 60, 90 days of being really consistent with. If I didn't lift, at least getting into the sauna, like, every single.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So you know what I like about the sauna a lot? There's. There's actually two things I really like about it. One, a lot of people find it, like, pleasurable, so they might be more likely to do it consistently. Like, a lot of people hate exercise.

[Doug]

It's super easy for me to go sit in the song.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Some people don't like it, though. Like, I know Justin's not a big fan of being in the heat.

[Doug]

No.

[Adam Schafer]

But I'll do that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Will you? Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. I like to. To press that. So I actually, like, feel when I do get in a situation environment where it's really hot, I do a lot better if I've actually, like, acclimated a bit. Yeah. I just have to acclimate.

[Sal Di Stefano]

The second thing I like about it is it's a very easy thing you can add at the end of your training. That doesn't take away from your recovery. Yeah. But adds a performance benefit.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So your VO2 max goes up. So if you're. If you're training to increase your VO2 max, there's only a certain amount of training you can do. Like, if you can't go beyond that, your body can't recover from it. So there's a limit to how much you can do. But what you could almost always do is jump in a sauna for 20 minutes afterwards and bump your VO2 max.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, you know, it's interesting, too. I've noticed like since cardio hasn't been as crazy of a emphasis for me, like you know, over the last few years have been more focused on strength training. I don't sweat that much in my workouts because I, I rest like, you know, big rest periods and then, you know, when I get in the sauna, I'm actually sweating. It's like, you know, the benefits of actually sweating, getting all this stuff out is I could, I could feel a difference.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, big time. But here's the other thing, by the way, with the strength training, which is kind of cool. 30 minutes a week, that's. It gives you that benefit. That's it, 30 minutes a week for the cardiovascular training. What did I say it was?

[Doug]

It was 70 minutes a week.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it was a, it was like a. Yeah, no it was, I think it was, it was 75 to 100, 150 minutes a week. So like 30 minutes of devoted time.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And you've got this huge benefit.

[Doug]

Half to a quarter.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. So it's like very little time needed to provide this huge boost where strength training really shines. Because both strength training and cardio training are, they show benefits for the heart. Cardio according to the current data, edges it out for heart health, for cancer risk. Strength training crushes. It's got this incredible cancer anti cancer effect which is pretty cool. Which that's just because bigger gas insulin sensitivity, meaning it has to do with it. Which is, that's a big part of uh. By the way, if you combine them together there, there's, it's like a 47% reduction in all cause mortality. So if you do a little of both and again it's dose dependent but also too much is not good. So again, I'll go back. Like strength has this incredible correlate to longevity. Like the stronger you get, the longer you live. Past a certain point when you start chasing extreme strength, then you start to sacrifice longevity. Like the extreme examples would be like competitive power lifter, bodybuilder or something like that. Same thing with endurance, although endurance seems to have more of a negative effect when you chase it, all things being equal. But you see like when they've examined. Have you guys seen this before? Well, they'll look at the hearts of highly competitive like hardcore endurance athletes. And their hearts are damaged because of the repetitive kind of stress. Yeah. Which is kind of crazy. Healthy eating. What do you guys think? How much does that contribute?

[Doug]

That's gotta be up there.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's gonna be high, right?

[Sal Di Stefano]

18 to 24% lower. All cause mortality, which Is, by the way, a percentage like that means you're gonna live about a one and a half to three years longer. So, you know, so one and a half to three years longest. But what this really means, we do a good job. Again, we got. When you go into the data, it's really important to understand what you're looking at. Yes, you live longer, but Western medicine does such a good job of keeping you alive.

[Doug]

Right.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What we really want to look at isn't quality of life health span.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right.

[Adam Schafer]

So although self sufficient.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's right. Although the data may show that you live three years longer, the end of your life looks way different.

[Doug]

Yeah. The person who's doing these things at 65, 70 looks a hell of a lot different. And is.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And is different quality of life.

[Doug]

Yeah. Is able to enjoy different things in life than the person who is just, you know, 65, 70.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes.

[Doug]

So.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yep.

[Doug]

So it's not just about the age.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No. Because you live again. When you look at the, the medical interventions for like heart, heart attacks, we've had some incredible breakthroughs in recent decades on keeping you alive. Like, really incredible breakthroughs with that. But quality of life, that still requires a change in your lifestyle. So yeah, you might not die from your second heart attack or third like you used to, but how are you living and how do you feel? And so that's the thing to consider with this. So when you look at the data and you're like, oh, okay, two more years of life, big deal. It's like, no, no, your last 10 years of life look different when you're fit versus when you're not fit. Because the last, especially the last five years tend to look really, really bad for people who aren't exercising or eating right. Stress management. What do you guys think?

[Doug]

Probably the lowest of all of them.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, no, it's actually Pretty damn high. 23 to 30%.

[Adam Schafer]

Damn.

[Doug]

What did it, what did it rank higher then?

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's, I mean, it's up there with cardio and strength training.

[Doug]

Interesting.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Isn't that wild?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Now, now think about this though.

[Doug]

Yeah. If you, if you strength train and do cardio, you, you are also managing stress.

[Adam Schafer]

You're managing stress.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, there's that part too. Right. And also imagine living 25, 30 years in a very stressful situation. You know, terror. Like, have you guys seen the data on caretakers? So like your parents get older and then you got to take care of them in the last 10 years of their life. It's like, you know, you're dealing with Alzheimer's you're dealing with, like in the last five years, you're like, really? Your what? The toll it places on a caretaker is insane. The stress it places on the caretaker is absolutely insane. Or like, if your spouse gets sick, something happens and you have to take care of them. You know, I had a friend who's years ago whose wife had multiple sclerosis. And the last. I mean, he was like fully taking care of her for the last 10 years. Like, did everything for her. And he was a great man, great husband, you know, stuck by her, did the whole thing. But that's brutal. You know, that's a very high stress.

[Doug]

Yeah. I would say it takes a very special person to be able to handle that in stride. Most people, I think that would, that, I mean, most everybody, I think that would hit pretty hard.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yes, yes. Yes. All right, so here's the, here's the cool one. So moving, just moving daily. Daily activity. This one people ranked pretty darn low. People thought like 12% of people thought this was like really impactful.

[Doug]

I actually think that's way more impactful.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's the most.

[Doug]

Okay. Yeah. So I, I, so I have. My, my aunt and uncle are visiting in town right now, and they're in their late 70s and they don't strain train. You know, they, they, they don't, they don't drink, they don't smoke, and they walk like crazy. I got them up right now in Half Moon Bay and they're walking up and down the coast and they love to go to the city and hike and, and they, and they live in Seattle area, so they take the, all the boats everywhere and they just, they, and they look phenomenal and they just, they're active and can do a lot and it's just purely from that they make relatively good choices eating. They don't watch really. They're not tracking. They're not. But they don't eat garbage. Yeah, they don't eat. They don't fast food. They don't eat garbage. But I'd say the one thing I noticed about them more than any anything else I've seen in my relatives or people close to me or clients is this. They are extremely active with just walking out and about every, every day. And it's a part of the. Both retired for a long time, but you would think they're 10, 15 years younger than what they are.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it's 47 to 70%.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Lower all cause 70% on the high end.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And it's just moving every day.

[Doug]

Well, you know, I Just there. Because then you have the other. So then I have the other side of. Of close family friend of mine, he was a truck driver, his life retired and is just sits all day and just doesn't go out, watches tv. It's just. And you could just see him aging so fast. So fast because of that, you know, so it's like I. I've got a front row seat right now to two people very close to or two couples close to me and total different lifestyles. And it just, to me it highlights just how. Which always it brings me back, makes me feel so guilty. When I was a 20 something year old trainer and I talk about how I used to scoff at my clients

[Sal Di Stefano]

daily activity wasn't even on my radar.

[Doug]

No, no.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It was workouts. Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's what I talked about. Yeah. It wasn't about like, oh, I like to garden every day and I go for walks twice a day and I'd look at them like, well, you're not working out.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah. Yes. Shame on me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I know.

[Doug]

You know, because. And then I look back to how we talk to people today and recommend. It's like the first go to thing is like that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

It's getting out and garden, get out.

[Adam Schafer]

And everything in your body works better if you give it adequate movement.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I remember going to Sicily as a kid, I think I was 12 and we were visiting. She might have been a family member or family friend. I don't remember. I have so much a big family and this old woman, she was a widow and I think she was either late 70s or early 80s at this point. And I remember we went to visit her and you know, this is old old world. So these cities were created before cars. So oftentimes the roads are really narrow or they're not really accessible by car. And she lived in one of those houses. And every day, every single day, which is the custom, this is like the culture back then. Maybe not so much now, but back then that was the culture that every day you go to the shop. So every day you would walk to the grocery store to get your. What you're gonna cook and use for the day. You don't go shopping once a week, you go every single day. Plus this is how she socializes or whatever. To get to her house, you had to walk up this street. It was like a big steep street. Then she lived on the third floor and there's no elevator and you had to walk up all the stair. And I remember as a 12 year old kid we had to park at the bottom and walk up there and I'm a, you know, 12 year old kid. I'm like breathing heavy. And I remember we get there and I'm like, it dawns on me. She lives alone and I'm like. And my dad's like, every day she go. And she's trying to make fun of me. He's like, you're tired. He goes. Every day she goes down these stairs, goes, walks down. She does it maybe like at least once or twice a day. Every single day. It's just built into her life. And she was fully dependent, you know, independent. Nope. She'd go to a gym. But this is what she did every single day.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. We have this lady in our neighborhood who. She has a. An interesting property. It's like, it's her house is. Is, you know, kind of at this corner of this like blind turn. But it, it extends pretty far, has like its own trail. And all the way up the trail, like it hits a few houses along the way. But she's always there picking up leaves and raking. I swear, every single day. And she gets different sections of it, works her way down the other way, like cleans and like she's like a saint, but like continuously works in this happy smile. Like she's just like doing something every single day. And it, dude, it gives her purpose.

[Doug]

If you don't. It's wild how fast the body will prune it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yep.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And decline.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So fast.

[Doug]

It's like if we're not gonna grab anything above our head, you know, for a year or five years in a row, the body will just be like, we don't need to do that anymore. Are you guys. This is totally like dating us. Because I. I totally am aware of this stuff now. And I try and be come aware of a lot of that stuff throughout my day and do silly stuff like, oh, when I put my socks on, I try and challenge myself to balance. Balance and balance on one leg. When I walk up my stairs, I'll do like these like this calf raise to a balance to a cat. Like I just. Because I don't want to lose some simple things like that. And if I'm not programming it into my training, it's like I jump a lot now.

[Adam Schafer]

So I get. I'm trying to get more speed springy. So I'll just like swish it upstairs. I'll kind of like hop.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So you just look like you're excited.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey guys.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Well, I'll get up from a chair with one leg, you know, so I'll Stand up out of the chair and with one leg just, well, what's, what's cool about this?

[Sal Di Stefano]

And this. This is really good. It's really good. Part of this conversation is when you're aware of this, it adds, and this is important. It actually adds value to physical activities like chores.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So you might look at a chore and be like, I don't want to get up and do the laundry. I don't want to do the dishes. I don't want to go clean the room or make the beds or whatever. I don't feel like doing it. But then when you realize the value of it, which is movement and activity, it actually makes those things less annoying.

[Doug]

It actually is kind of like maybe the biggest change in my life in the last five to 10 years is that understanding that. Yes. And you start to value moving 100%. Like, I. There is times where I find chores to do because I'm like, I haven't really moved much today.

[Adam Schafer]

Y.

[Doug]

And I'm sure there's something in my house that needs to get done.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's my car.

[Doug]

Whether it's cleaning out, yard type stuff, the car stuff, dishes, whatever. It's like there's something I can do that is labor that takes time for an effort for me to do it. Never looked at it like that before. Never, in fact, not even that long ago had the attitude of, oh, I can afford to outsource it and so I'll outsource anything that I can so I can buy back time. Well, that's great to an extent.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right.

[Doug]

Because I do think there's a lot of value in that. Like if it comes to helping me out with certain things, that gives me time to spend with my son or just that. But there's plenty of times too when he's at school or something and it's like, I'm not with him anyways.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And I'm sitting on my butt not doing anything. It's like I could go do this thing that is. Makes me active.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And well, when I see stuff like this, what's crazy, because I'm a trainer, I'm in the fitness industry. I like to work out. Right. I get that. But when you look at the value of just moving every day, like, you realize it's what we've done to ourselves because we've really organized our cities and society in a way that it does the opposite of promote movement. It actually becomes a place where you have to consciously move because nothing requires movement anymore. So we've really designed our lives in A way that is so anti longevity. It's just so bad.

[Doug]

I have a prediction on that. Like I believe with the self driving cars that are around the corner that the robots and automation of everything, that everything can be delivered or soon to be flown to your house. I think that we're going to see a. A decrease in real estate in city, inner city and an increase in suburbs and. And further away. The opposite of what we've seen historically.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Sure.

[Doug]

Because I think that we're going to value space like that. Value.

[Sal Di Stefano]

People move less in suburbs.

[Doug]

Huh?

[Sal Di Stefano]

People move a lot less than suburbs.

[Doug]

Well, yes, because they don't have.

[Adam Schafer]

They have.

[Doug]

They're not walking to work and stuff like that. But that's all going to change though.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, I think they might design. You're starting to see city planners are starting to create cities.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That promote movement.

[Doug]

That's happening where I live right now. They're designing all that right now. So I. That's why I think you're sort of see a suburbs being designed like that. There's another place that I forget the. It's one of the most desirable places. I want to say it's in. I think I sent to you, Doug.

[Adam Schafer]

I know you're talking about investment.

[Doug]

An area that I was looking at for investment. And a lot of like cities are. Are.

[Sal Di Stefano]

They're kind of making them see like you have town square.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You have your.

[Doug]

A lot of greenery. A lot of greenery. And everything's designed to be able to walk. Walk to. And I think that's what we're going to start looking like less of this like Indiana. It was something like that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, you were saying about relationships. What you were saying about relationships, Adam.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I think of all of the like if you're like, okay, what's the one thing that I can do that will contribute positively to the rest of these? And I gotta say it's probably good relationships and community. I do. I think that promotes activity.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Promotes daily activity. You got the socialization, you got the stress management. People who are in good community tend to eat healthier. I know that sounds crazy, but it's actually true. We tend to help each other check each other. Good community in gyms. This is something that more and more I'm realizing is a big miss with gyms. Part of the reason I miss this because I'm such a fitness fanatic. It doesn't matter to me who's in the gym or not. I got my headphones, I'm gonna work out no matter what. But Most people, if you look at what keeps people consistently going to the gym the Most, it's community. CrossFit figured this out by totally. They had crappy gyms. They got garage gyms or whatever. Bailing equipment, programming's not the best. People getting hurt, all that stuff. But they keep showing up. I got a buddy of mine who keeps going to CrossFit. And it's funny because I'm his friend. He's got another buddy that's really experienced, strength coach, personal trainer. And he was talking to him about

[Doug]

both, razzing about it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, we're razzing about the program, this and that. And he, you know, pushes back, but then at the end of it, he's like, look, guys, I go. Cause I love. I love the community. And I'm like, you know, that's what gyms used to be. It really used to be that where it was, it was about community. And that's why people showed up. That's why people kept going. It wasn't for the workout. It was for the community. And shame on me. I should have known this. Cause as a personal trainer, when I became successful, yes, I knew how to train people properly. I knew how to coach them properly. But they kept showing up because they liked the place, they like me, they liked the other trainers in there. They liked each other. And I think that's probably one of the more important things that will help with everything else.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's interesting because the movement piece, I was thinking of that. When you're talking about it, that's what brings the opportunity to, like, meet up with people, totally interact with, you know, even strangers or, like, you know, start conversations. It's like, if you're not even getting out of the house, like, and you're isolated, it's. It's pretty much a downward spiral from there.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I saw my grandparents decline so quickly during COVID It was actually terrifying.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

When Covet was happening, everybody's freaking out. There was like, that's why real health.

[Adam Schafer]

People were just like, this is all bogus. Because it's just like. It was telling you all the opposite advice that we know is not. Is detrimental.

[Doug]

No sunshine, stay indoors, stay indoors.

[Adam Schafer]

All stuff just fosters more disease.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Close down the gyms, keep the liquor stores open. My grandparents, I think we all avoided them. We would drop off things, right? But we'd avoid because they're scared.

[Justin Andrews]

They're old.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, you got this, Covid. You know, we don't want them to get the virus. And I think the family kind of stayed away. From them for the most part for, like, four months. That's it. And I remember when we were finally, like, look, that's it. We got to go hang out with them. Like, this isn't good. We got to go see them. And I remember seeing my grandfather and my grandmother, and I was like, they look like they aged five years.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

In four months. It was really. It was almost traumatizing to see. And so that. That social part. Such an important. Such an important.

[Doug]

Well, I think you're right. I think it feeds into a lot of the other ones. Totally, totally difficult, though, as you get older. Yeah, you know, it takes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Especially for you don't have as many

[Adam Schafer]

friends, you know, especially dudes, widows, widowers,

[Sal Di Stefano]

you know, husbands who lose their wives. We don't do good.

[Doug]

Oh, I know.

[Sal Di Stefano]

We do terribly. We just isolate the hell out of ourselves.

[Adam Schafer]

Courtney gets me out of the house all the time. I'm just like, I don't care about,

[Sal Di Stefano]

you know, the angry hermit guy. You know what I mean? That's the type.

[Adam Schafer]

I could totally turn into that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, I could see myself totally. We.

[Doug]

We just had this. My family and I were all talking about this. My aunt and uncle who are visiting, you know, who are in their late 70s. So they grew up in a time where neighborhoods were so different. And I. The last neighborhood I lived in was my first experience like that since I was a kid. And I tell you what, I missed the hell out of it. I love where I'm at, but I missed the hell out of that neighborhood. I haven't had a neighborhood like that since I was a kid, where everybody's garage doors were open. I could. It was. It was really, actually. So it took a minute for me to. To transition and actually be okay with, like, I would pull up to my house, and I. I would, like, you have this. I just go straight for my. My door, because I've been trained to do that for so long. But then my neighbor would stop me and want to talk, and then I'd feel rude if I didn't. And it's like, man, I just need to relax and be okay with that and just stand outside. We talk for a little bit. Then I go in the garage. They'd be sitting in lawn chairs, having a beer. Other neighbor down the corner would come walking over, just walk right into his garage and help himself. Like, it just was such a cool vibe to have that. I just haven't had that since I was a kid. Yeah, that was like that. And it's rare to find neighborhoods in the bay like that. That still foster that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

We had a friend of ours. This never happens, right. She just randomly. Wonderful woman, Tammy. She goes to our church and she just was in the neighborhood, knocked on the door, hey, what are you guys doing? Came in and it was just so wonderful. We felt so filled with just love and whatever. And she laughed. And me and Jessica looked at each other like that was like the highlight of our day that she stopped by just to say hi. Like, nobody does that anymore.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

People don't like it if you don't text them first. Yeah. You know, like, how dare. Let's hide people at the door. You know, Pretty wild how, you know, how that's all turned out. Anyway, speaking of strength training and, you know, mortality, it's important to communicate because oftentimes we communicate how important it is to build muscle. But when you look at the correlate with health and longevity and all the benefits that come from muscle, it's actually the strength that has the strongest correlate, not the muscle. Muscles correlate because it correlates so strongly to strength. Because you can have muscle and have poor strength, poor mobility, and you start to see not that great longevity. It's actually strength that we're looking at. I think it's important to understand because moving ahead with or looking forward with these drugs are trying to come out to combat the muscle loss that you're getting from GLP.

[Adam Schafer]

I was really thinking about that in Dr. Gabriel Lyon describing the marbling and some muscle.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Just building muscle, if it doesn't. Isn't accompanied by strength, doesn't have nearly the protective or longevity effects. It's actually the strength that you're looking for. Yeah. Anyway, I want to hear. Justin was sharing a story with me yesterday that I'm like, oh, yeah?

[Doug]

What are you guys talking about?

[Sal Di Stefano]

I've been begging him not to wait.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, no, I was telling him about. So there's this show on HBO now. I should have already, like, been aware. Any show on hbo, you kind of have to know that it's going to get wild at some point. It was like, there's. It's called Neighbors.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And is it a documentary? Isn't that documentary? It's a reality show.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's a reality show. And I'm like, they're so smart. Because I guarantee on YouTube it's already proven that they get like, millions of views because these spats, like, neighbors get into, like, they start filming each other. They put like, nest cameras facing each other over the fence and you knocked over my fence. You know, and they just. They clash, and it's like this crazy drama. And so I kind of. I'm not real into, like, the whole drama or, like, Hoarders and this kind of stuff. Like, Courtney loves it, so a lot of times I'll compromise. I'm like, okay, so this is kind of a show I might be able to get into. So we start watching it, and we got into. I think it's like the third or fourth episode where this one. I was, like, excited about this one because they look like real crazy people. Like, straight up, like, these. These people are like, there's something. There's something seriously off. This one guy. He. He was, like, getting a lot of attention from all of his neighbors because he was wearing this, like, bright yellow thong. He's like this really old guy that he's outside, like, riding his bike. And, like, everybody's, like, in the neighborhood. In the neighborhood, and he's just like, in. In his garage, like. But he brings his bike out to the front of his property just so everybody could see. Stationary bike.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is that him right there?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And the thing is, he's like, he. He's trying to make. So he's some kind of statement about, like, the. The fact that he should be able to wear little to nothing on his property. Yeah, it's. It is. It's like. It's very in. Oh, my God. There's this part where, like, they're filming him and. And he's like, I guess he has an only fans or something. And, like.

[Sal Di Stefano]

He has an only fans.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, yes. And it shows everything. And then he's just, like, sitting there, like. I'm like, ah. But anyway, this isn't even the best part of the story. So that's his story. It gets into another kind of similar one with this. This older lady who. She's in the backyard. This other neighbor of hers, like, is, you know, constantly kind of like they're arguing over the fence. And this is where the fence kind of got into the thing. And. And they're filming each other. They're fighting. She starts filming it and putting it up on YouTube. And. And so this lady gets all mad. This lady obviously wanted attention. She's like a real, like, sexual freak, like, out there. Puts it all out there. Like, she's like this money off the older.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Older woman.

[Adam Schafer]

And so anyways, all this is happening. I'm kind of watching this with Courtney. It's like watching a car crash. And we. We stop because we hear the. Somebody drives and pulls up to our driveway. And my Parents wanted to take Ethan out for, like, a belated birthday dinner. And so they went and came back. And I paused the tv. I actually didn't even pause the tv. It was just running. And I opened the door, and we're like, oh, hi, mom. And, hi, dad. And my mom's kind of, you know, turns. Walks in, and, like, immediately on the TV screen, it's like. It's not just like, okay, yeah, it's an old lady, like, naked or something, right? Because this is like, hbo. It's a. Like, naked and, like, butt cheeks, like, open. It's like starfish. And, like, I'm like, yeah. And my remote was all the way on the other side of the couch. I jumped and, like, turned off the tv, dude. Myself, like, what are you guys doing?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Watching.

[Adam Schafer]

So, like, mom's a long story.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You and Courtney?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, me and Courtney. Courtney was like, oh, my gosh, you turned bright red. You know, And I'm just like. We had to actually, like, explain the show. Like, look, she's like, yeah, we're, like, watching porn. Like, you know, I'm sorry, Mom. You know, like, it was. It reminded me of, like, being a teenager again. I was like, just panic, you know?

[Sal Di Stefano]

We take the kids out of the house. Give you some time alone.

[Adam Schafer]

Exactly. I'm like, I must be running her head. Like, gosh, man, these guys are.

[Sal Di Stefano]

How old was this woman that she

[Adam Schafer]

was on the st. She's like. She had to be, like, late 60s almost.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, is that. Is that her right there?

[Adam Schafer]

No, it's not her.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, God, no.

[Adam Schafer]

She's. I mean, she's pretty good looking for

[Sal Di Stefano]

HBO shows, all that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I didn't realize that the rest. The rest of the show wasn't like that.

[Doug]

It's just that one part.

[Adam Schafer]

It's just this one part.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's hilarious.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And. And the other guy, like, kind of ends up joining this, like, nudist colony and all that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And it got all.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, it's just like, this has

[Doug]

been ongoing for multiple seasons.

[Adam Schafer]

I see.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Huh.

[Doug]

I didn't even know this was a thing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Ah, looks like it's on.

[Justin Andrews]

It's new, I think.

[Doug]

No, it looks like it's on multiple seasons. I thought maybe. Maybe I. I was reading wrong. When you had it up there, did you guys keep watching the one that I. I told you guys about? Did you ever.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I watched. I just watched a few more episodes of the same season. My.

[Adam Schafer]

My youngest loves that show. Dude. We're into it.

[Doug]

It's so funny. It's so good.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's Pretty. It's pretty. We were laughing. I was watching my daughter and my niece and my. My wife.

[Doug]

Yeah, I watch you guys. So did you guys get to the. The. The speakers yet? The guest speakers, the ones that are

[Sal Di Stefano]

teaching them like sexual harassment and that one, or was it.

[Doug]

No, no, there's actually like guests, like motivational speakers.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, no, I didn't get there.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I haven't got there yet.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, I'm waiting for you guys to get to that because that's just. Because what they do. Well, what they do, which. Which makes another layer to the. The show great, is obviously all the actors are in on the. The joke on the guy, right? But then they bring in these motivational speakers and they don't tell the actors what the motivational speakers are going to say or any of that. So they're staying in character while this motivational speaker is coming in and like, just saying, like outlandish stuff. And you could see because, you know, right. You know that's going on, that you're. You're watching the show go. And you can see all their faces trying to keep like their stay in character for this. So this guy doesn't figure out what's going on. And so you could see, you know,

[Sal Di Stefano]

what scene was hilarious, although embarrassing with my daughter, my niece was the dude, he's like, oh, I found this in my closet. It looks like a water. Like a water container.

[Doug]

Then he takes it out.

[Adam Schafer]

So.

[Sal Di Stefano]

While they're doing it, I'm like, I figured out what it was right away. But then I'm like, if I fast forward it, then I'm going to signal to daughter and my niece that this is not like what this is. So I'm like hoping they don't recognize what it is.

[Doug]

Did they ask you or you just keep it?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, Jessica calls it out.

[Doug]

Oh, Jessica.

[Sal Di Stefano]

They're like, what is that? That's weird. What is that?

[Adam Schafer]

Well, they described it right after that too, on the show, but yeah. Oh, God, so gross.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I gotta tell you guys about. Fiori has this. It's called a tech waffle pullover. Pull up. Dude. This. It's so nice.

[Adam Schafer]

It's so like the.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is it like pattern of it is

[Adam Schafer]

like kind of waffled out.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it's like that. What do they. What is that called?

[Doug]

Thermal?

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know that, that you know I'm talking about, right? Yeah, dude, it's.

[Adam Schafer]

It's quilted kind of.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's nice, dude. It's. For me, like, there it is right there. I like it. I think I might like it more than the seaside pullover. I love.

[Doug]

Oh, there's this. There's a Strato version. And there's a hoodie for the Herdy Vision. Look.

[Adam Schafer]

Still my favorite hoodie.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Look at that, dude, it's so comfortable.

[Adam Schafer]

It does look comfy.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So nice.

[Doug]

Oh, I didn't know they had that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I like that color, too.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I like the seaside pullover. I like the seaside line is just.

[Doug]

I do, too. But that looks lighter, though, which is. I. Sometimes I don't want to wear the seaside.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, that's warm. The seaside one is warm.

[Doug]

Yeah. Yeah, it's like super, super thick.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I didn't even know they had ribbing. I hate to say that.

[Doug]

Yeah, I wish they would. I wish they would hit us up when they. When they do new drops like this. I told you guys when. The last time when we did a shoot, I was in the store and there was so many things that I ended up picking up because I'm like, I didn't even know you guys had this. How do we not get informed when. But a lot of stuff, man, it drops and then it goes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Who is.

[Doug]

Who's more.

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's someone doing their commercials now. That actor. What's his name? He's working with Fury now.

[Doug]

They've signed some Tom Holland.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Tom Holland, Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

There's Spider Man.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, yeah, they've got him on there. Yeah, they've.

[Doug]

They signed some big name actors, some big athletes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

They've been.

[Doug]

Yeah, they've been making moves.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I got. I got. I got a conspiracy. Not even a conspiracy theory. They're actually trying to investigate this, although the conspiracy theory may be. Are they really trying to investigate. Have you heard of all the dead scientists?

[Doug]

What?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Have you heard of this?

[Adam Schafer]

No, I've heard of missing scientists.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Dead. Dead. Many of them were dead. How do they know that there's missing and dead? Because they found.

[Doug]

They found bodies.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Someone shot them or this person drowned.

[Doug]

No way this was connected to what, though.

[Adam Schafer]

This is connected to, like, anti gravity technology.

[Doug]

Yes, I did see this. I saw this.

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's a number of scientists that have

[Doug]

been, I guess, in some. Justin, actually, did you. I think I might have sent this to you.

[Adam Schafer]

There's a. I believe it. You sent me a lot of stuff now.

[Doug]

I suggested stuff all the time now.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Too much. So there's like, what have we done? So there's a growing number of scientists who have died or gone missing under unexplained circumstances? Yeah, I think I did. And these are science. These are scientists that are connected with like defense research, gravity science. Like, there was this one female scientist who actually made a video and she's like, I'm getting death threats. I don't want to kill myself. This is really weird. She was found missing or killed. There's a ton of them. Dude.

[Adam Schafer]

How much weirder can this timeline get?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Dude, listen. Okay, There's Amy Eskridge, June 11, reportedly researching anti gravity technology. Technology. Frank Maywald, principal researcher at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Monica Reza, director of materials processing and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Michael David Hicks, research scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory worked on the DART project in Deep Space One mission. Anthony Chavez, former employee at Los Alamos National Security. Melissa Shirley Cassias, administrative worker at Los Alamos National.

[Adam Schafer]

Was that Bob Lazar? Wasn't he part of that?

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's more. There's like six more.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And they all worked on this tech, so now they're like, gonna probably investigate it and like, say, like, what is going on to all these scientists that were doing all this research?

[Adam Schafer]

They're going to investigate it just like the investigated.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What do you. What do you.

[Adam Schafer]

We're just going to dump it out.

[Doug]

Those cooled off big time, huh?

[Sal Di Stefano]

What?

[Doug]

The Epstein files.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

I even.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it's gone. You know, look at that.

[Doug]

No, right? No. I mean, look at all the dead scientists I saw. I'm pretty sure I sent this to Justin.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You might have.

[Doug]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. You're like an enemy of the state now if you bring it up.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I'm sure it's like, this is like a movie, though. Like, it's like, did they discover something that. No. That they don't want anybody knowing about.

[Doug]

Hey, you know what's crazy? Okay? This. This is such a. Like, I was talking.

[Adam Schafer]

I think this is hype for like

[Doug]

talking to my uncle about this stuff.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Ufo.

[Doug]

And you know what? The average person is this. There's so much misinformation. There's this, the. The. You know, the. The knee jerk reaction. If I share with someone this. Yeah, but do you know it's true? Yeah, there's just. That's. They. They've won, dude.

[Sal Di Stefano]

By design.

[Doug]

They won already. It's like they already put so much stuff out there. Like, I brought up the Epstein stuff and he was just like, yeah, but do you know if any of that's true?

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I'm like, what do you mean?

[Doug]

Do it. Take on a government website. You can pull it up and look at all this stuff. Like, yes, it's true. Like, are you not reading any of it or do you know anything? He's like, no, just like completely. Because it's closed.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Doug]

It's crazy how that like either you are aware of all the conspiracy theories that have become true and are now.

[Adam Schafer]

That's how I think people keep their certain belief system intact.

[Doug]

You know, you have to.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, there's just, it's too, too much for them. It's, it's too contrary to, you know, what they formed in their head of reality. And so they're like, I've said this

[Sal Di Stefano]

before, I think we're, we're going to get to. Because AI is making content that's like, it's almost indistinct like you can't tell. Almost. Pretty soon it'll be. You definitely can't tell. Yeah, we're going to get to a point where people are going to demand an arbitrator of real or truth. Like we need a certification where if it has this on it, you know, it's real. And then of course who's going to be.

[Adam Schafer]

Because I mean that person's going to

[Doug]

be that or we're all just start to agree to just like, who cares?

[Sal Di Stefano]

I mean, just stop the society.

[Adam Schafer]

I believe what's right in front of me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Societies can't work that way. When you, when everybody doesn't trust anything, that's like recipe for disaster.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

In large societies.

[Doug]

True.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Well, I mean when, I guess if, if a majority of people put their faith in man, then yeah, you're right. And that's, that's the problem, you know. But I mean if you see, if you believe in the other side which you've brought up, the, the rise of people seeking out something greater than themselves and a higher power. And like I think that that leads to letting go of all this BS man made narrative. So I mean if you, if you're, if you have an optimistic view, it goes that way. If you have an optimistic view, it goes in the direction of sooner or later all this becomes white noise and everybody's just like, it doesn't even matter if it doesn't impact me and my family and my, like, what is all this stuff even. Even matter to get caught up in it?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Do the data on how much it improves people's mental health when they stop paying attention, everything is incredible. Yeah, yeah, just stop paying attention. Is that funny?

[Adam Schafer]

But don't stop paying attention to the fraud, please. We're making like strides with that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Are there what's happening now? Is there more coming out of California?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, dude, of course. And. And, you know, it's just funny because you get confronted and all these, like, lawmakers get confronted by it, and they're just like, oh, like, don't want to take any kind of responsibility. But it's just like, finally, at least, like, why. What I don't understand is if you get that kind of impact and you get somebody that's just with a camera, this Nick Shirley kid, and he's just documenting it, he's just like, literally just a youtuber. Why isn't there more youtubers just like him doing the same thing? Like, we need more of that investigative journalism, but nobody else is. Like, nobody. Our government's obviously going to, like, spy on themselves.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Bill. Doug. They're trying to pass a bill called the Stop Nick Shirley Act.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes, yes. Which is absolutely. That should piss anybody off.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Let's create an app right or left of the people from revealing our fraud. So we'll pass that.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look into this, like, you're the problem. Yeah, Let us steal.

[Doug]

Don't stop it.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, stop putting cameras on me. I want to steal.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, my God. That's hilarious.

[Doug]

I just came across him for the first time. I didn't know who he was not that long ago. I just. I. He popped up in my feed. I was watching some of the stuff.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Smart kid.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, what are people hearing, you know, opposing this?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, I know. Why would you. How would they sell it? Why would you sell this?

[Adam Schafer]

They have to just attack his character. That's like, what else do you have? He's just an independent journalist.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What's the.

[Adam Schafer]

Bringing this up?

[Sal Di Stefano]

How do they sell this act? Why would you want to stop Nick Shirley? What are they saying? Like, how would that.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, I don't think that's a real

[Sal Di Stefano]

name of the bill.

[Justin Andrews]

I think that's a. What's the bill given to it? I am trying to get some. It's called ABC 2624.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And what's it do?

[Justin Andrews]

It says provide protection through the same tried and tested process California already offers to domestic violence survivors. Select health care workers.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Hold on. You see how they sold that? What? First of all, if you're a domestic violence survivor, you're protected so that you don't get targeted again by the person abusing you. But you see how they package that. We need to give people the same protection.

[Adam Schafer]

So this is what they're.

[Justin Andrews]

This is their justification. People working in immigrant services are being followed home, receiving death threats and having their personal information.

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's another word there. They threw in immigrant.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, Lord. Boy, that's slimy.

[Doug]

Wow.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That is slimy. And it'll sell.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Theft is theft, man. However you want to spin it. You're spinning it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. Dude, that's wild. That's crazy. All right, I got it. Or I'll change.

[Doug]

Look at the thing. Popped up in his thing or just from, like, the talking about it? Look at that. What did you. Are you searched on.

[Justin Andrews]

I did search the idea.

[Doug]

Okay. That's right.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So ads follow you. So did you guys know that there's a Fitbit for farts? Have you heard of this? For farts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. There's. There's. So there's a device that can. Yeah, there's a device, a sensing device that will tell you if they're healthy or not. Yeah.

[Doug]

Oh, really?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, it'll take. It'll take your fart and it'll break it down, tell you if you're healthy.

[Doug]

Order one, Doug.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Wow.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, we should do that.

[Doug]

We'll have a little comparison here.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what's crazy? I gotta read more about this. Can you. Are you gonna put this in close? That'd be crazy. So it's a wireless sensor and smart underwear.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Look up Fitbit for farts. Let's read a little bit about it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Smart underwear.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It's to track flatulence and allow and analyze gut health. The wearable sensor measures hydrogen.

[Adam Schafer]

How is this organic material?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Hydrogen and flatus. They don't wanna use the word fart. Aimed at diagnosing digestive issues and establishing healthy baselines. 32 farts a day are normal. You guys.

[Adam Schafer]

What is that, like, amp?

[Doug]

So many tracking tools now. So crazy. Hey, what are we missing now?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Did you have your client wear this?

[Doug]

Yeah. I'm gonna need you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You were hitting the double the other day.

[Doug]

You'd not be surprised. Some trainer will. 100.

[Adam Schafer]

You've been hitting up Taco Bell, man.

[Doug]

I know you're lying.

[Adam Schafer]

Fourth of July over there. What's happening?

[Doug]

Talk about calling your client out from that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I know you're. I know you're normal.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Normal is 32 farts a day. Hey, bubble guts, you're on 75.

[Doug]

Your hydrogen levels are way too high.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I would. I would. I could also see dudes competing. Like, hey, put your. Put yours.

[Adam Schafer]

That's exactly how I'd use it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Why do it? For the health reasons.

[Adam Schafer]

That's dumb.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Compare numbers.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Would you eat your stuff?

[Adam Schafer]

I mean.

[Doug]

I mean, that's why I told Doug to say order one. I Mean, that would be. So does it link to Fitbit?

[Justin Andrews]

I don't think so, no.

[Doug]

So are you sure?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, let me. Let me research this a bit more.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Wait a minute.

[Doug]

Because it says Fitbit for farts. I mean, that's just.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, they're just calling it for that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what, though? Government's collecting this data, bro. We should. They're gonna use this again. You don't need to know. Yeah, I don't know if you can even buy it.

[Doug]

I mean, depending on. It's called favorite farts. And no, it's no joke.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Doug]

You know, if it gave you some really good insight on gut health and. And imagine. Okay. Okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But why do you need something to tell you that? Like, if I'm farting a whole bunch, I don't need something to tell you, man. My stomach's off.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yeah, but it's doing more than that. It said.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Right.

[Doug]

So it's measuring, like the. The. It's measuring hydrogen.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Is it?

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So it's not just how many times you are. That would obviously.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So hydrogen in your fart tells you a lot, apparently. Is hydrogen the thing that smells?

[Justin Andrews]

No, I would think I'd be sulfur

[Sal Di Stefano]

or something like that. What makes farts smell.

[Doug]

But. Okay, imagine this.

[Justin Andrews]

Great search.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, sorry. Yours is all your searches.

[Doug]

Imagine you had this data, and then you. You take a probiotic, like seed, and then you track it before and after, and you see a significant improvement.

[Adam Schafer]

You do an experiment.

[Doug]

Yeah, I mean, that would be. The only way I can make.

[Sal Di Stefano]

It is hydrogen sulfide. So it is, Doug. Which causes the, you know, the rotten egg odor. Yeah. So if your farts have the rotten egg smell.

[Doug]

Yeah. High levels of.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Something's off.

[Adam Schafer]

Doesn't methane have, like, a smell like that, too? Or is that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's. I don't see methane, though.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, methane might be odorless, actually.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you might be right. It just kills part of it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Again, again, like, I don't need a device. Like, if I'm. If I'm laying, if I'm hitting them off, and it's like.

[Doug]

Yeah, but you have something that you have like a measurable tool. This is a. To me, another example of, like, it's. Okay, so it is a little ridiculous, but, I mean, it would be cool to have test something like a probiotic and see how much that's improving or not.

[Adam Schafer]

Extra points for Dutch oven.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Hey, babe.

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, baby. Need to beef up my fart bit.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Hey, do you know how long you were able to stay under the covers? Good for you. My hydrogen rating was a 7. Dude, you did it.

[Adam Schafer]

This is healthy.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, speaking of seed, that's the. I was just thinking about this. That's the one.

[Doug]

You're gonna love that ad.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Listen.

[Doug]

You're gonna love that ad.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, it's for. It's for. I mean, gut health, among other things. It's great for gut health, Right. It's the most by far. It's the one supplement, like, I hate missing. If I'm consistent with it, my gut health is significantly better. Significantly. Yeah. Like, every night. Every night I take it like, it's

[Doug]

one time a day. Right. It's not twice at night. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It's such a difference if you're consistent with it. I've done it, like, sporadically, but then when I go on, like, stints of like, a couple weeks and I'm just dialed.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Such a big difference in my gut health.

[Doug]

Does it go in your. In your little supplement baggie, or do you keep it somewhere next to.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, I keep it upstairs because I take it before bed.

[Doug]

Bed?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I take two capsules right before bed. It's part of my little sleep, you know, supplement stack or whatever.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And I'm like, so consistent with it. And I notice if I stop taking it for a week or two, I could definitely tell. Makes a big difference.

[Doug]

Yeah. I mean, it's. When you think of the companies that we've worked with and we get feedback from people, it's one of the ones that you get. I get. We get a lot of feedback.

[Sal Di Stefano]

The best. The best. Yeah, the best.

[Adam Schafer]

Top of the line.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I was having a conversation with my daughter, which. It's so great. Like, you know, when you have. You have your kids, you start to learn what kind of communication they respond well to. Okay. So like, some kids, I'll just, you know, throw things out there. Right. Some kids, you have to be more gentle, empathetic, and other kids, you can kind of talk to them in a way that drives them or whatever. And just because I've managed teams, lots of sales teams and gyms, I really know how to communicate in that style. Like, you can do it. You're a killer. You're strong. Nothing will stop you. Like that type of rah rah, you know? Right. And my daughter responds so well to it. Such a blessing. Yeah. Like, when she's struggling with anything.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's cool.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, you know, there's the initial, like, oh, I'm sorry, honey.

[Doug]

That really, finally one of the kids align with your style.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I know. Well, we'll see about the little ones. We'll see how they. But, you know, it's like, you know, I go in, oh, man, that really sucks. And whatever.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And then I know I can go in an hour or two later and just have one of those kind of conversations. And it just. She's like a machine, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

She's all fired up.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, yeah, dude. She, like, just like. She's like. It's like you could tell it. It's like something clicks. And so it's just, you know, I have those conversations, but I feel so proud as a dad because it's like, I can hit.

[Doug]

I still got to figure out what my. My son's is. I'm not sure what. What his is. Like, what will make him want to do something. Like, he's. It's got to be on his terms. I tell you, the other day, too, he. I'm in the. I'm in the living room talking to my. My aunt and uncle, and this is just a few days ago, and we're in there talking, and all of a sudden I hear ping pong table going back and forth. And I'm like, it's only us and Katrina and Max in the house. I'm like, who's Katrina? Hitting the Peek around the corner. There's Max playing ping pong with Katrina. And I go afterwards, I said, hey, what? She goes, he just came up to me and said, mom, I want to hit. I want to.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You're trying to look for the secret. How'd you convince him?

[Doug]

Yes, yes, my son, you know, I asked him a million times.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, exactly.

[Doug]

As soon as it's his idea, he's about it and wants to do it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And you've tried all kinds of different.

[Doug]

Oh, I have to. Trust me, I've tried.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You can't beat me.

[Doug]

Yeah, I've tried the competitive. I've tried.

[Adam Schafer]

You're gonna get a treasure hunt.

[Doug]

I've tried all kinds of different strategies to get him to do things that I want him to do. And if he does not want to do it, there is no. There's no getting him to do it. And then all of a sudden, he'll come around and on his terms, decide he wants to. And then I even know, too, that I can't, like, keep pushing, encouraging like,

[Adam Schafer]

hey, let's do it again.

[Doug]

Or like, exactly. I just gotta leave it alone. Like, okay, you know, when he's done, he's done. Hope it comes around again. So wild, dude.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean, every time it happens, though, Katrina's like, oh, my God, is this kid years? You Know what I'm saying? She's like, this is. That's your ass.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I told you guys. So sometimes my, my son, my 5 year old will grab like one of our phones and he'll take selfies and pictures, right? So you'll open your phone randomly go through your pictures.

[Doug]

The best.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What is going on, bro? He takes. He took like five pictures himself flexing on Jessica's. Like a picture of him and then he's going like this. Yeah, he's going like this. He's doing all this. And she's like, do you like.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. Save that. He's gonna love that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, I'm like, this kid's.

[Doug]

I have. I have an album dedicated to like all those. He's. He does little videos or movies so he knows how to record and so he'll get it and he'll record like a. He'll set up his toys like a scene and this is. And he'll do like the characters and he's filming like he's a producer, you know. And then he wants to sit after he's done, then he wants to sit down and watch it. Daddy, come here. You want to watch this? Like. Yeah, let's watch it. It's just so good,

[Sal Di Stefano]

dude.

[Adam Schafer]

That's like. Yeah. Everett would really got into stop motion and with his friends and stuff. So they hang out and they're like setting all this stuff up and then they're outside like blowing things up and it was like, ah, this is the best. Dude.

[Doug]

Did you. Your boy. There was a period, I remember this was years ago when we first kind of started buying Pump. They started to get on a little YouTube kick and stuff like that. Did they stick with it or do they.

[Adam Schafer]

No, not. I probably was a bit of an influence with that.

[Doug]

Oh, really?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I didn't really. I didn't really try and like usher that energy in that direction because it was just like, you don't want him in that space. You know, like if you have really good videos and ideas and, and things. I was like, I. I was encouraging him to do it, but not to post it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Like, like we saved it and we like banked it and then the momentum kind of like dissipated.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Towards it. But Everett, like, it's interesting because he really likes to entertain and he, he likes to be. He likes podcasts and he likes to have deep conversations and all that kind of stuff. And so he. He started to kind of record some with his friends.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, no way.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. And he's just kind of saving them and banking them And I'm like, I, I've listened to a couple and it's like, it's, it's great. And he, he interviewed me one time.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That was for like a school project, right?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, for a school project. And he, he asked me all these really cool questions, like, so it was, it was really fun. I, I, I don't know. I think there's something that might be there down the road. But like, I was just like, just keep, just keep at it. But we're not like posting anything.

[Doug]

Who's he most likely to replace out the three of us?

[Adam Schafer]

Me for sure.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Me.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

He's funny. He's funnier than me.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, really?

[Adam Schafer]

Smarter than me.

[Doug]

Look out. Look out. Dude.

[Adam Schafer]

He's, I mean, he's like beyond 4.0. He's like, he actually is doing a like high school level math. Next year he's gonna be in eighth grade. Yeah. And it's like he's got like the whole engineering brain, but like he still has kind of my personality, so it's weird.

[Doug]

It's. What's so funny because you, I remember when he was younger, you were worried about that, like he was going to be that one.

[Adam Schafer]

He was like, oh, he's so much like me. I'm like, he's gonna struggle.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know, he.

[Adam Schafer]

Brilliant studies.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what it was like, Courtney? It was, he was, he was not stimulated. He's probably bored. He's probably hella bored in class when you're really smart.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Sit there, you're like, yeah, this sucks.

[Adam Schafer]

Probably. Yeah. He, he's, yeah. I'm not worried about him at all. He's really.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What a dream. Imagine if our kids, like ended up taking over. What a dream.

[Doug]

I would love that.

[Adam Schafer]

That'd be classic.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So awesome.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Oh, it would be funny. It would be, it would be hilarious. But it'd be awesome.

[Doug]

I mean, obviously I have one, so it'd be my son. Your daughter. Probably.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And then probably Everett.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I think Everett would be the one. Ethan doesn't really show as much interest in that. Although he does like the whole, you know, being social and, and you know, like hanging out and chatting. But I don't know.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Aurelius says he wants to work at Mind Pump, so. He says it all the time. Yeah, but he's five, so, you know, five year olds always want to do what dad does. Yeah. So we'll see. Dude, I tell you guys that, that, you know, we don't spank. We don't spank.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah. But Jessica tried it the Other day.

[Doug]

Oh, she did.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She did. Because.

[Doug]

Gave it a whirl. Huh?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Because my three year old.

[Doug]

How'd that go?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Just.

[Doug]

Well, we talked about this. I told you. She reminds me so much of my goddaughter. And my, my buddy's just like, dude, we have to.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And she told me, you don't have a choice.

[Adam Schafer]

She's like, the threat of the wooden spoon, they never use it, but it's there.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, she texted me. She's like, you know, I did it. She's like, I wasn't mad. I made sure to show I wasn't angry. I made it very, you know, calculated. And she's like. And it worked. And I told her, I said, look, I said. And I'll tell you what my daughter said. My three year old said. But I said, you know, I grew up in a spanking household, okay. And I had younger siblings and my sister and my brother especially my brother was just a terror. And spanking works until it's not novel anymore. This is just true. At some point, kids will give. They don't care. They don't care anymore. And it's just not a novel thing. The reason why I worked on my 3 year old, in my opinion, is because it's never happened before. So kind of snapped her out of it, you think?

[Doug]

I don't think it's a novel thing as much as an age thing. I think you get to a certain age when it doesn't hurt anymore, then it's like you're cut. It doesn't. I remember getting spanked and being able to turn around and just look at my mom.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Like that's what. It doesn't work. Up until that point. It worked and it was. Yeah. But there's no longer novel after year

[Sal Di Stefano]

five between spanking and like you're trying to like really instill, you know what I mean? And so anyway, I just don't think it'll work if she, if she keeps. And I think she's gonna do it.

[Doug]

I think the way Jordan Peterson explains it is, is how I've always kind of. It's a, it's a pattern interrupt. Right? And so if they're. If you have a. A daughter or a child that is just, you know, fixated on mine or this or what. And it's hard to interrupt that. And you can't interrupt it with anything else. Like, it interrupts that. And, and that's really what it's more about.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She told Jessica.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, now knowing it's a threat, she

[Sal Di Stefano]

told Jessica afterwards, she goes real Mom. She goes, mama, I don't want to get spanked again. So Jessica's like, oh, no. She's like, why? And she's like, I don't want to ruin my clothes. So she's like, what. She touches like a hurt. Hurt my feeling.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I don't want to ruin my clothes.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Sal Di Stefano]

She walks away.

[Doug]

Well, you'll have to keep. You'll have to keep us posted how it unfolds, because I know. I do know that. That I. I've seen the difference, right? And I really do think it's. It's kid dependent. Right? I mean, I'm the guy who said I'm pro sp. I've never seen my kid. So it just doesn't. He doesn't call for it. Like, I don't have. But I could totally understand if he was like that where, like, I had to. I see my godson. I see my goddaughter. You know, I hear you talking, and I'm like, yeah, I could see where that could happen, where it's just like, they're just super disobedient and not listening that you. You shake them up a bit like that, Where.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And I think that, like, you did

[Adam Schafer]

have to do it very. Like, that's the thing. It might be just that one time.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You never know.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what I mean?

[Adam Schafer]

Like, it's. I think it's just knowing that it exists as, like, you get to a certain tipping point, like, of intensity, and it's like a super defiance, you know, it's like. And you say this, and they're like, oh, yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I actually think the threat of physical. Like that physical kind of threat, I think it becomes more important in particular for teenage boys and their dads. That's a truth. I think a teenage boy, if he's really. You know, I've heard stories. I've never. You know, I've heard stories of. I've had friends with teenage kids where their sons are just like, dude, what are you doing, bro? You disrespect your mom like that? Or you're. You're using your physicality to impose yourself. And I could see how dad is gonna have to be like, I'm the big dog in the house. Let me show you. You. Yeah. And let me grab you. Let me hold you down and show you. So I could see that. That value right there. But that's because you're dealing with a teenage boy. Teenage boy. I wonder if that's damage.

[Doug]

Yeah. But I wonder if that's more or less likely to happen to the dad that. That didn't set that. That set that groundwork earlier.

[Adam Schafer]

But then it's like the elephant, right. That gets chained and you put a stake in.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know. I know what you mean.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I mean? Like, it's. It's. If I was to wait till their teenager to now, like, have a physical, like, then it would be, like, ugly.

[Doug]

That's right. That's what I'm saying. The dad who. Who laid that foundation early. Like, you don't test it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, no, I. I'm saying. I think. I think you definitely. Dad has to sometimes show that he's. He's gonna get louder and show that he's strong so not come out of nowhere. Yeah, but I'm thinking of an extreme example.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I'm not really arguing, like, I had either, but I had a

[Sal Di Stefano]

friend of mine told me that he's like, you know. You know, he's a. He's a. He's a very consistent father. Loving dad, but also very consistent. And he's like, I never had to spank my kids. We were very consistent. He goes, I've had to raise my voice a few times. They know that I'm in charge. He goes, but my teenage son, he came home from a party, and he was so disrespectful to my wife. And I don't remember what he said. He called her something, like, really bad. And he goes. And I grabbed him and I pushed him up against the wall. I said, you never talk to my wife that way. And he goes, it definitely.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, it makes a big imprint right there.

[Doug]

What I remember. Scott Donnelly shared a really good story about that. What did he do?

[Sal Di Stefano]

I don't remember.

[Doug]

Remember, that's what. And then he made. He made his son. I don't know if it was him or he. He coached somebody up on this. I can't remember if it was him

[Adam Schafer]

or he coached somebody take his mom to lunch.

[Doug]

Yeah. That he needed to repair that relationship.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I love that.

[Doug]

Yeah, so did I. And like, that's like. Yeah. Shook him up big time. Like that. And it wasn't like a grounding, spanking physical. It was a. This is what you will go do.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Doug]

You know what I'm saying? Like, damage.

[Adam Schafer]

Now you have to go repair.

[Doug]

Yeah. Yeah. That was. I thought that was really cool, you know, and put it on him to. To do that. And I think that after a situation like that with his. His mother and I'm. Because I can imagine, too, you're as. This kid you're, that's a, you just got in a big argument or fight with your mom to have to take her out to dinner later on that, you know, that night or the next day is just like awkward, you know, but like that. But so, so much maturity is required in order to do that. And so in my house, it was.

[Sal Di Stefano]

My mom was the spinker. My dad rarely ever did anything like that. But he was very intimidating. He'd get loud and he put it, you know, he'd hit the table or something like that to cause, you know, show us his, he's upset. But one time, one time I was a teenage boy and I called my mom stupid and I didn't know he was around the corner. And that's when he grabbed me and he put, he held me down, put me down on the ground and held me there. And I could feel his strength. And I remember being like, oh, I better not do that ever again. I think I was like 14 years old, feeling my britches, you know, like

[Adam Schafer]

I made an error.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Again, there's, there's times that, I mean, it's such a controversial topic, right?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Because people feel so strongly about one way or the other. But I mean, I think it's really child dependent.

[Adam Schafer]

It really is.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You know what the data shows on that? That kids who are raised in a loving house with no discipline don't do very well. In a house with discipline, with no love, do the worst.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

And a house with both. Discipline. Discipline would be like structure. You know, structure, discipline, boundaries and love do the best. So discipline, structure, love the best. If it's just love, they don't do too good.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

If it's just discipline. This is when you raise psychopaths and really bad kids.

[Adam Schafer]

Authoritarian, tyrannical environment.

[Sal Di Stefano]

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[Justin Andrews]

How much time and effort should be put into stretching before and after a workout? What warmups and cool downs do you recommend?

[Sal Di Stefano]

This is a really, really good question and it's actually quite nuanced. So first off, priming is what you want to do before your workout. And what priming is attempting to do is to get you to move better with the exercises you're about to perform. So a good example is if I am about to bench press, but I find that my shoulders roll forward, okay? So it's hard for me to keep my shoulders pinned down and back, which would be the correct technique for bench press. And I just find that my shoulders

[Justin Andrews]

want to roll forward.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I want to kind of cave them, especially towards the end of my set. Then what I'm going to do is priming movements that help me activate and connect to the muscles that pull my shoulder blades down and back. Another good example is if I squat, my knee wants to travel in and it's hard for me to keep them really aligned with my feet. Then I'm going to do some correctional exercise or priming to activate the muscles that stabilize that position so that when I squat, I'm in a better position. So that's the idea. Now the reason why this is so nuanced is the more advanced you are and the better you are with your workouts, the less of this you require. Somebody who's really advanced can do a set of the exercise they're about to do with lighter weight and do perfect priming.

[Adam Schafer]

They can get in the groove pretty quickly, very quickly.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like, they know what to feel, they know what to activate. They know, like, I know my first set of bench press because I have, you know, one part of my body where I don't have terrible mobility is my shoulders. I can actually have pretty good shoulder mobility. So when I bench press, I could do a couple warm up sets or maybe one. And I know I'm really focusing on that downward, you know, retraction of the scapula. I'm really focused and I can do that with lightweight. And boom, that's my priming session. I don't need to do anything else.

[Doug]

Yeah, I would, I would agree except for I, I still prime. So like, even though I can get into a bench press, know the technique of that. I still benefit when I do W's before, I just, I feel it every time. It's so different and I feel so much safer and More confident to get after the weight. I mean, do you.

[Sal Di Stefano]

What about back exercises? You find yourself having like rows. You don't have to roam up. You just do a set of row.

[Doug]

No, I can get right into. If I go do a row, a lap, pull down, seated row, I don't got to find a set of warm up anything pushing. So if I do shoulder press, I do bench press. If I squat, I, I've got a prime before. I don't, I don't have to. I could go in and just do it, but I, it can feel a huge difference. In fact, you know, the other day I squatted and I didn't prime and I must have had to do three warm up sets before I felt like I could really. It's just like I could have just spent that same time priming. I could because my thought process, I want to get into it. I'll just take my time, light and I'll warm up a set or so I actually found myself having to do three sets with rest periods in between. Just. I was like, I could have sat down prime for five minutes and actually got right into it.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's a good point too. Like you got to know yourself yourself. Like for me, pushing, pulling, even deadlifting. Deadlifting. I'll warm up with the deadlift. If I'm squatting, I'm priming.

[Doug]

Oh yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Like I gotta prime before I squat. And so everybody's a little bit different.

[Doug]

Yeah, I mean this is.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, well and I was gonna say too. There's different versions. All, all apply. So like if, if I'm like more in a power phase, like for instance, or I'm doing something like explosive, get very explosive with acceleration. I'm gonna do a lot more dynamic with warmup. It's gonna take a really long time too that I'm gonna allot. Like 15 minutes sometimes, you know, my warmup for that versus like you know, if I'm just getting into a regular workout, like I'll, I'll do just basic priming movements, like some mobility, not too long. But then two, if I'm trying to like really, you know, get some intensity. I'm gonna, I'm gonna do some isometrics and like hold these positions like irradiate and you know, really try to, to recruit and then go to the bar and I feel major difference.

[Doug]

I mean shameless plug on our program here Maps prime. But this is one primal figure it out for you. This is why it's still to this day, one of the programs I'm most proud of that we created. Totally. This is so nuanced and individualized.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Totally.

[Doug]

And I. And I'm such a strong believer in stretching with purpose. The way we were taught in school as kids to stretch and real basic

[Sal Di Stefano]

fun actually can cause injury.

[Doug]

Yeah. It's such a waste of time to do these silly, Silly, you know, moves that we all, you know, we all did before we started. Started, you know, started our workout with that. Yeah, yeah. Just. Just a bunch of. It really was. And it's like it really depends on the person, depends on the movement you're doing, depends on what you're. And this is what prime is about, is it's about helping somebody do this themselves. Take a test at home and individualize what is ideally the. The stuff you should be doing.

[Sal Di Stefano]

A good priming session will make you stronger.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, yeah.

[Sal Di Stefano]

You actually lift more weight.

[Adam Schafer]

I feel like it's like a 10 increase.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

But we didn't address the cooldowns. But the cooldowns is something I like to do just to reinforce certain positions. I felt unstable.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Which I. I spent some time. Actual static stretching. I tend in foam rolling. I tend to actually bring more to the cool.

[Doug]

That's when you would do that. That's it. That's the. I think of cooldowns of static stretching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Holding. Holding poses and relaxing and trying to calm. Calm down. Where it's the opposite. When we're getting ready, we're. We're trying to do something that's a little more like an active stretch. So.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question is from Paul Godfrey. 83. What would you suggest for females program wise after giving birth, once they are cleared to work out again, what would that year look like? I've heard you say starter, but what would be the programs after that?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Honestly, most women now there's going to be some. Some differences depending on your current fitness level or fitness level before pregnancy. Right. Before pregnancy, how easy the pregnancy was or hard it was, the delivery, was it a C section or not? So there's a lot of variables here, but for most women, starter run once or twice is ideal. The second time around, you just add load. Now some women are gonna be like, that's too little. But you're gonna make great progress with it. Otherwise it looks like starter and then maps anabolic and you start in pre phase. You do three, four weeks of pre phase, then you move into the rest of the program. But the reason why I said starter twice through is because oftentimes. Yeah. Three months later, four months later, you're still not getting great sleep. You're still dealing with some muscle connection issues. And so for many women, starter run twice in a row would be the way to go.

[Doug]

Do you guys, you guys remember what I did with Katrina?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, I think you did, you did. I know you did starter first and

[Doug]

then, you know what I did after that?

[Sal Di Stefano]

What was it?

[Doug]

I did anabolic in reverse.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Well, yeah, you did the higher reps. Yeah.

[Doug]

And so the, the logic behind that of why I did that, let's see,

[Sal Di Stefano]

pre phase would do something like that.

[Doug]

So the idea was I. She had, she'd felt great after a starter and she was ready to really get after it. And I was like, you know, you're doing great. Why don't we get an anabolic. I want to start you in phase three. The reason why I want to start in phase three was because the higher reps and keep her at a lower weight. So she's not. She put her at a lower risk. Yeah. Right. And that way another two more months before she. Now she's five months heading into the six month post pregnancy and, and really feeling good. And it had been training weights for almost six months now. Now we're finally like loading the bar and getting after it. Now granted, remember, she went into pregnancy in really good shape and strong trained the whole way through. And so that's the recommendation to your point. You know, I could see a client running cycling starter for almost a year depending on how post pregnant and depending on how fit they went into pregnancy. So it really is dependent on the feedback from my client. You can't really go wrong. Just continue because you could cycle starter and I guarantee the first two times you do it, you, you'll be progressing weight.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yep. So.

[Doug]

So you're going to plateau and not really. So you can.

[Sal Di Stefano]

No, you'll be getting stronger.

[Doug]

Yeah. You can run starter two or three times and keep just progressing that if you're feeling good and you want to and you're more concerned about, you know, I don't want to push it too fast. That's the recommendation. If you're the other person who's like, I'm ready to go early. Which was. Was Katrina. Katrina was ready to go right back into aesthetic, like after four weeks, you know, and I'm like, whoa, like we're gonna run starter. And I made her go through starter all the way and then I also made her go reverse on anabolic and then she was great. So it really depends on the person.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question is from Janie Ewell. What is the best way to bulletproof your knees I had ACL surgery two years ago and they still aren't the same. I squat and deadlift heavy. So besides those exercises, what would help with knee pain?

[Sal Di Stefano]

This has less to do with ankle

[Adam Schafer]

and hips and ankles.

[Sal Di Stefano]

So this has less to do with your knees. Your knees are fully healed. Has more to do with your ankle strength and mobility and your hip strength and mobility. So when you look at the joints, so the knee basically flexes and extends. It really doesn't rotate, it doesn't bend laterally, doesn't hyperextend. It flexes and extends. The ankle has rotation and it bends laterally, it flexes, it extends. The foot itself has got some movement. The hips are also very mobile. So the knee, whatever the hips and ankles can't do, the ligaments of the knee try to keep everything in place. So what usually this looks like is lateral strength in the hips, external internal rotation of the hips and then ankle strength and mobility and foot strength. And if you work on those, the knees are going to feel amazing. Yeah, but this is a knee, this is not a knee.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, and also too like unilateral work. Work and, and definitely lateral and different, different planes of motion to address for strengthening as opposed to just these kind of fixed positions. Obviously you want to build up overall strength and foundation, but just to reinforce that. So it's tracking well. So the thing is we want the knees to be balanced so everything is tracking well. So it can hinge properly.

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, you know, map symmetry would be just a kind of nice catch all program for this person for sure. And that should help a cycle of that make you feel a lot better.

[Justin Andrews]

Next question is from Matt Fit Realtor. How can I become one of your personal trainers?

[Sal Di Stefano]

Yeah, well, I'll tell you, we'll start talking about what it takes.

[Adam Schafer]

Process.

[Sal Di Stefano]

There's a process now. Experience is great, education is great, but we're looking for character and we're not necessarily looking to hire trainers, looking to make trainers working here. This is a big deal for us because we were trainers for years and we didn't start offering coaching and personal training up until less than two years ago. So consider Mind Pump's been on air for 11 years. We've been at the top in terms of fitness podcasts for almost that entire time. Personal training and coaching was always a business we can go into. But we waited, waited, waited, waited, because it's like, look, if we're going to do this, we have to offer the best because these people represent, these trainers represent us. And we were trainers. And so we have so now we have the time and energy, we have people on staff, we have a great fitness manager that trains and develops our trainers. And I'll tell you what, the training that these trainers go through, I'm so jealous. Like, the stuff that I see them get to learn and what they get to do and train just on the

[Adam Schafer]

job is an incubator here.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But to work here, typically what it looks like is you apply, you get an interview and then you get to intern and the intern process is your trial. And then we see if it's a good fit to work here.

[Doug]

Yeah. Mindpumpjobs.com and you'll end up most likely interviewing with Kyle and Katrina. And then if you make it past that, then you get your internship here.

[Sal Di Stefano]

I'll tell you this, if you apply and you don't have our course, not saying we won't hire you, but that's a kind of a knock. Like if you're like, I want to work here so bad, I'll do anything.

[Doug]

But you haven't been.

[Sal Di Stefano]

But you haven't gone through our course that we've, that's a, it's a nationally recognized course that also teaches our training philosophy. Teaches our philosophy. If you haven't done it all out there, if you haven't done that, that's like a, it's a knock.

[Doug]

What does it mean?

[Sal Di Stefano]

We won't hire you, but it's definitely a knock. If we look you up and we're like, oh, they don't have our course.

[Doug]

So yeah, maybe start with that.

[Sal Di Stefano]

That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.

[Justin Andrews]

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