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2851: The Real Reason You Can't Stay Consistent (It's Not Motivation)
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Easily the most important factor to consider when it comes to your fitness is consistent consistency. This is the most challenging thing for almost everybody. So here's what we did. We looked at all the surveys and data and we found the top five reasons why people are able to stay consistent with their workouts. And we're going to talk about them right now.
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Does that include. So, like, would this be on there? Habit stacking? Is that on there?
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It's not. It's not, no. So these are reasons I'm going to. I'm going to pull them up. These are reasons why people, like, what are they. What are they writing down in terms of, you know, what keeps them consistent? And what you find in the data is, number one is. And this is obvious, you guys, is enjoyment.
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Okay.
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At the top of the list.
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Enjoy doing it.
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Yeah. That they actually like the workout. And I think this is. It sounds obvious, you know, once we talk about it, but so many people go into working out, hating it.
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Yeah.
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With the mindset that they're going to hate it, that they never get out of that mindset. And I. Look, I don't care how good something is for you. If you hate it, you trying to do that for the rest of your life, like, good luck. It's just not going to happen.
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Yeah. Long term is just a terrible strategy.
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And do you believe that that's something that you can change? Like.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And.
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Well, I'll ask you, Adam, because we've talked about this before with jobs. How many jobs have you had that were not your ideal job, but you find a way to make yourself enjoy it.
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I mean, I'm, I'm such, I don't know if it's, I mean, is it considered you're lying to yourself? You know, are you, are you just, are you trying to practice reframing to the things that you do like in it? So maybe like, because you're right, I've had some pretty jobs and I can honestly say I, I enjoyed doing all of them. Were, was there parts of them that I didn't like or that sucked or. Sure. But I think the thing that I hacked into at a very young age was learning to focus on the aspects I did like, so. And I think some people that get started, because I've had many clients like this that like, admittedly, like, I hate to work out, you know, I pay you to, because I know I won't come unless I pay you to, to show up to this thing. And I care more about losing money than I care, you know what I'm saying? That that was like their motivation of having a personal trainer. And my goal was always to get them to try and connect the dots to the other parts of it that you do. Like, like, you can't possibly hate all of it. Right? There's got to be, you got to like the fact that after you work out you feel good later on the day. Right. Or you have to know that you sleep better when you're consistently doing your workouts. You gotta like the fact that you can get away with eating foods that maybe you couldn't eat. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I think it's just a, a mindset shift that you have to work on to find that enjoyment.
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Well, you were saying like, the reason why we know this to be true is because this is what we learned how to do as trainers with our clients. This is, this was number one. As I became a better trainer and the way that I would have measured my success as a trainer was literally, can I get people to want to do this for, for long term? Yeah. Okay. That was the measurement of success for a trainer, by the way. It's, it's not results, it's not all that stuff is important, but it was, can I get this person to develop a relationship with fitness where they're going to always want to do it? Because what I found early on was I could train people great, I could get them great results. Their drop off rate was not, it wasn't great. It was, people would still drop off, especially if they stopped working with me later, I figured this out, or I figured out that this was the problem, and I was able to get. So I was able to get good enough to where even if clients stopped working with me, they were able. They wanted to stay consistent. Part of that as a trainer, and this is what coaches, good coaches know, is when you're coming in to work out with me, a big part of what I'm trying to do is make this enjoyable.
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It's your energy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You had to kind of learn that as a coach is really. You do play a. A big role in that in terms of, like, your excitement. And, you know, what. What they're actually drawing off of when they're coming in. Like, is it. Is it a fun environment? And, you know, of course, sometimes that would lead me into, like, structuring some things that they liked more. Like, say it's like, boxing or, you know, some kind of, like, extracurricular activity. I'm trying to kind of weave that in. And, you know, and this is why I don't judge too much with trainers. When you see kind of, like, you know, some things where they're. You realize they're doing that for the enjoyment of their client because they like to do those types of activities. But, you know, I would always still stick with, like, you know, the main part of the training. But now I would try and look for cues and signs of things that they picked up on where they're like, oh, wow, I really enjoyed that last set.
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So enjoyment is number one of these five.
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Enjoyment's number one. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna just stay here just for a second, because I do want to say this. If. If you're listening, you're like, well, that's silly. I just trick myself or I just convince myself, or. Our minds are geared towards the negative. We know this. This is a fact. The data shows us quite clearly. If you go about your day and one bad thing happens or one frustrating thing happens, you'll focus on that bad or frustrating thing, and you'll forget all the small good things that happen throughout the day. And I've actually done this experiment I've done where I'll set a silent alarm on my phone that would go off every two hours. And every time it would go off, I'd reflect on the previous two hours, and I'd ask myself what blessings happened in the last couple hours. And what was crazy about this was, first off, it was things I would have missed. By the end of the day, I would have forgot. Number two, it started to train my mind to notice the good things. So by practicing this, I just became more positive. My filter started to change. So you have to go into this thinking to yourself, what are the things I can focus on that I do enjoy about this? Maybe it's not how hard it feels. Maybe that's not the part that I enjoy, but maybe it's how much energy it provides me, or it's some time to myself, or it's the conversations I have with the people around me, or it's the reduction in pain. And you can develop a relationship with it where, over time, it does become something that you enjoy. In fact, if you talk to anybody who's been working out consistently for a long period of time, you will not find a single person that says they don't enjoy it. They all found a way.
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Well, you always talk about how, like, working out is such a microcosm for life. And I. And I think that this applies to so many other things besides just fitness. I know I've shared on the podcast before, you know, the. The cleaning and doing dishes and stuff like that was like, something I did not like doing at all. And looking back now at the. The, you know, five, six years of being very consistent with me being the one to do that every night, like, it's become something I actually really enjoy. But it didn't happen, like, overnight. It wasn't like I just lied to myself and said, like, you love doing this. It's like over time, you started to connect the things that, like what I did like about it. And it's like, you know, I don't. I really, like. I love coming downstairs in the morning and, like, seeing the house just, like, completely immaculate. It's like, I. I appreciate that. I enjoy that, right? Or I enjoy coming down the stairs and knowing that that glass or that thing is available because it's been cleaned for sure. There's no. It's definitely not dirty in this thing. It's like. So I just started attaching that. You know, I love listening to, like, relaxing music while I do that. And it's this quiet time that I can be disconnected from my phone and I can be in my head and do kind of a gratitude. So just. I just started stacking all these things that I noticed it was not. I do not love to scrub a pan in the sink. It's not that. It's like, what are all the other things? And then over time, you start to connect to that, and then it becomes this thing. Like, I actually really enjoy this. I think it's real similar to exercising. Those things that you're going to like or connect to are going to be different for every person. You know, like you said, maybe it's not the workout, you know, for others, maybe it is.
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Maybe it's the outcome.
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I love to break a good sweat. I'm like, man, that does. That at least does feel good. Like, I hate getting there, but once I get there, I like it. It's like you have to start to reframe that to get to that place. So that's number one. I got to think convenience is in there.
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No. So these were values that people found in fitness that kept them consistent. So, like, number one value was the enjoyment. Like, they enjoyed it. So this is why I do it.
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Okay.
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Second value that came up was it helped their mental health and clarity. It gave them pause, peace, helped them with anxiety, made them feel better mentally, was number two. This one for me is a big one. This is what keeps me going day in and day out. I know when I don't work out, not as sharp, not as in a good mood. I know workouts put me in a good mood. Workouts give me more ideas for the podcast. I know when I used to manage gyms, one of my favorite things to do was talk to my members who were older, who look like they've been working out for a while. I used to love talking to them, and I would always ask them the same. I would always ask them this one question. I'd say, why do you keep doing this? How long you been working out? And why do you keep doing this? And every single one of them said, it's the mental part. The mental part. I really enjoy how it makes me feel mentally.
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Yeah. And I think, too, the. The more you mature with your training, you realize there's a different workout for a different type of feeling or a different type of state that you're in coming into that day. And I think that, you know, our jobs as coaches, too, is to really, like, convey that and show, you know, that if there's pain, discomfort, overstressed, or, you know, you're just like, you just need a good almost therapy session physically. There's a way to do that, you know, monitoring intensity or, you know, whatever types of movements that you're concentrating on, it's really cool because you can literally use it as medicine.
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You know, it's funny you bring that up. There's something that. That I do now that I never used to do. In fact, at least 20 years of my lifting, I didn't do this I do this now when I first get to the gym. No matter what I'm doing that day, I almost always go right to the treadmill and walk on the treadmill for the first ten minutes.
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Oh, wow.
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And it's not like I think I'm getting some sort of warm up, but it's really kind of tough to figure my, my mental state. And it's like, what do I. What do I need today? Like, is it. Is today gonna be.
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It's like a little meditation.
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It is. And it really makes me get and figure out, like, what is today's workout gonna be like? I. I go there somewhat with an idea, but the truth is I don't make that decision until I'm on that 10 minutes of walking on the treadmill and I'm sitting there going like, you know what? I should probably do some mobility work today. I can feel, I can feel my hips as I'm walking right now, and I haven't done some good stuff. That's what I'm gonna start off with. I'll do this or that, right? Or it's just like, man, I'm feeling good today. I feel fully recovered. It's like, I'm. I'm gonna go get after it today. In fact, I'm gonna go. Go heavy at this thing. It's like, I never used to do that. I never, I would. In fact, I used to mock all the, you know, trainers that we used to. I'm guilty of being this trainer at one point of, you know, put your client on the first 10 minutes of, you know what I'm saying, of the, the elliptical or whatever before you start their workout. Like, really? And really what? That was so you could shovel down some food before. Whatever. There's no, like, real.
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Right. Organized real quick.
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Yeah.
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Y.
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Justified as warming up or whatever like that. And it's like, that's really what's going on. But I actually really do that now and enjoy that process. And I think it's the point you're making right now, which is, you know, each workout does tend to serve a different mindset or adaptation or thing that I'm looking at. And that's what I said.
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Well, it's the, the data on how exercise affects mental health. We've got really good data now, so people have reported this for a long time that it feels good. You hear things like, the runner's high. It puts me in a good mood. It gives me good ideas. We've known this for a long time. Like writer's block. What's the Solution for writer's block. Go out and walk on a run.
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Gets you in a creative space.
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Yeah. Improves creativity. Like we. People have talked about this, but do we have data? Yes, we've got great data now on exercise and depression and anxiety. Here's what the data shows. Exercise is actually more effective. It's more effective than talk therapy and more effective than medical interventions for depression, for the, for the general types of depression people report and for the types of anxiety that people report. In fact, if we could bottle the benefits of exercise, just the mental health benefits, forget everything else, just if we could put the mental health benefits in a pill, it would be the greatest selling pharmaceutical in the history of mankind. That's how effective it is at improving your mental health and outlook based on the data. So this to the point now where therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists now are starting to use it as part of their protocol. This is what they're starting to recommend. I know, it's so powerful. I've seen this as a trainer, I could see, I see it like in real time. You have a client come in in a bad mood, they leave in a good mood. I've also seen it over time. I've actually had a few clients who referred to me. At one point, I trained a couple mental health experts or practitioners and they sent me some of their patients and, you know, you could tell when they'd come in, you could tell that they struggle with certain things. One of them was a young man, one of them was an older gentleman. And over the course of months, the transformation in their mental health was radical. One guy was so bad that when he came in, I had a small studio. So I had the flexibility to be able to do this. We would schedule him when there weren't other trainers in the studio because it had to be no music and we had to have the lights down. He was really sensitive to stimulus. It would actually set him off with anxiety and stuff. So we turned the lights down. No music. By the end of our. I mean, towards. I don't remember how long it was, I trained him, it was months. So maybe six months, nine months. Music on, lights on, other people, total transformation. There was no difference in his medication, there was no difference in his therapy, it was all from exercise. And he told me this, he's like, nothing has really impacted me like exercise. That's just a personal example. So when it comes to mental health, this is, it's so powerful that being sedentary is a risk factor for anxiety and depression.
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Yeah.
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So this is how powerful it is. If you don't move, your risk of depression, anxiety skyrocket. So probably one of the most powerful things it does.
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Do they. So do they factor in, like, obviously it's going to get you out of this like cognitive loop that you're in where you're just like continually thinking about the same thing. And now you're in body more and so now you're kind of connected more to the movement aspect. But also, don't you get like natural rewards chemically from. Yeah. Working out as well?
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Yeah, you get feel good chemicals, but when you get feel good feel. When you produce feel good chemicals from chemical stimulation or something that doesn't require work, you get a negative feedback loop.
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Right.
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So what they're showing in the data is if I take a drug to produce these good feelings or if I do something that's like eat something hyper palatable or if somebody watches pornography or things like that that tend to cause this dopamine.
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Right.
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Because there's no hard work that led to it, you get the negative feedback loop. When there's work that's involved or effort that's involved with the positive reward, it actually compounds over time. It's. It's pretty remarkable. And exercise produces that. I mean, and again, I'll speak to myself. This is the number one reason why I enjoy it. There's. I enjoy it for lots of different reasons, but for me it's like nothing. There's almost nothing that can, That I can do that I know will have such a consistent.
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Always gets me out of a rut.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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I'm just like, I just need to go work out.
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I mean, I feel like, show me a relationship that's struggling, right. A couple that's struggling, and I'll show you a relationship that lacks sex and exercise. I'm serious. I feel like those two things, like, are so important to like just your own mental health.
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Bigger of a factor than a lot of people.
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Huge. I mean, two, I mean, Katrina and I, we laugh and joke about this. Like if, if, if, if a two or three days goes in a row of one of those two missing in the relationship. It's like there's, there's a different, there's a different vibe with the house. If those.
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Courtney has a barometer. She's like, oh, it's been three days.
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Yes.
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It's like, like, yes.
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Yeah. It's like there is a.
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There is a different vibe and energy in the house. If, if we've had a couple of those days get strung together of one or both. Both those Is like you're, you're set up for a fight. Know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. Just know you're one of, one of us is going to be in a crabby mood or both. It's just like wild how important those two things exercising our body like that and that physical touch and connection with your partner. It's like they both, I think and I think it has a lot to do with like you're saying is that you get this incredible, you know, endorphins and, and chemical response without the, the negative feedback like a, like a drug would. And, and a lot of those people that aren't getting that are self medicating to try and chase that feeling. But then it has a negative feedback loop.
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Yes, yes, yes. All right, next up is physical health. And you can put in there things like strength, lack of pain, like taking care of my body physically, which is different than appearance, which we'll get to. So this is an aesthetics. This is people saying I like the way it makes my body feel. This one becomes. There's two types of people that this becomes really profound to. One is the person, it could be a young person even that's so sedentary they don't even know how crappy they feel. Then they start working out, getting stronger and they physically feel different in their bodies. The other one, which is the more common one is older population. They feel and see this so much and then this becomes so valuable to them because, you know, when you're 60, you've probably had some years of not feeling good or hurting or you've noticed some abilities that you're now lacking. You can't necessarily run with your grandkids like you could with your kids or you can't do certain things like you used to. Then you start working out and you're like, oh my gosh, like I could go up the stairs without huffing and puffing and I'm doing things and I got energy.
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You know, it's amazing what, when you're in a state of pain, chronic pain, like what that does to your mood and the way that you think and your outlook on everything and to, to be able to resolve that physically, I think it just opens up this whole new potential for a lot of people.
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I mean, I would argue that this is everybody over 40.
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Yeah.
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I mean I've. I don't think I've ever met somebody, majority for sure, over the age of 40 who doesn't say that exercise makes me feel better. And that's a big motivator for sure. The aesthetics, like you said, we'll get to that. Yeah, is, is one and attached to that. But I'd say that most people over 40, I mean, it's like, it's what keeps me going for sure. It's like the, the aesthetic side is nice, but the, it's like if I don't, low back pain starts bothering me, my hips start talking. I mean just, I start feeling all that stuff like that. And so just making sure that I'm training consistently keeps all of that stuff at bay. And I mean I feel like that's everything as you get older.
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It is. And if you were to, if we had to like find an actual fountain of youth which doesn't exist, the closest we could get would be physical fitness. It's uh, it's so powerful. And I always like to paint this picture of someone who's listening. Uh, you know, if I, if I Show you a 20 year old that works out one that doesn't. There's a difference between the two for sure. There's a difference in the way they move, there's a difference in their abilities and all that stuff. You give me a 60 year old that's fit versus a 6 year old that isn't like your typical 60 year old versus a 6 year old. Been working out for a long time. They're not even in the same universe. It's not even, it's, it's like they're two different species. It's so different. It's radically different with their abilities, their energy, their lack of pain. This for me was a big one as a trainer because towards the end, as I trained lots of medical professionals, they would send me their patients. A lot of their patients were in that age group, the older age group. And when I would show them pain relief, it was like, I'm done.
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I'm doing this forever for a whole new person.
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My back has always hurt. It's always been hurt. It's been hurt for years. I thought I just had a bad back and I've been working out with you for two months and my back doesn't hurt anymore. What is going on here? And I'm like, well, it's just, it was literally lack of strength, lack of stability. The right exercises solved your chronic back pain and it, it totally sold them. Next up is the aesthetic is that's number four. Yeah, that's just how people look now. I'll say this just interesting because that's
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probably the number one reason why most people show up.
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That's right. And I Think of all the ones that we're going to talk about, because there's a fifth one, too we'll get to. This one's actually the least. The least effective or least important because you can only improve upon the way you look for so long and. Or so subjective, and you tend to compare yourself to other people. So this one's really sketchy. Yeah. With where you could go and if. In most people. Here's the problem with the one that we're talking about right now. Most people place all the value on how they look, and it is not a strong enough motivator or strong enough relationship builder to keep you working out forever by itself.
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Well, and I think we all have a form of perception drift. Right. We talked about this with the. The face lifts and surgeries with that. And anybody who's been working out long enough that's been chasing the aesthetic side would attest to this, which is when you first started, you probably said things like, oh, if I just look like this, or my arms were this size or I weighed this much, or I was this body fat. And then you get there and what happens?
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Yeah, more.
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Yeah, I need another inch.
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I got this part of my body. Yeah, that part of my body.
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And so it's this never ending, you know, goal post that you keep. You keep moving.
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So I just remind people, the reason why we think people look good when they're fit is because it's actually a signal towards health and vitality. So it's actually a side effect. It was. It's never the main effect. It was never meant to be the main effect of good health and fitness. It was meant to be a signal that points to better health, better mobility, better vitality. Right. Right. Last. And I think this one's playing a bigger role. And I've talked about this on the last couple podcasts.
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Is this. Can we guess this, Justin? Yeah. Because you're into aesthetics, so you did cognitive stuff.
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Why people keep showing up to the relationships. Yeah, community.
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Oh, community. Of course.
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This one's huge. I think the fitness industry missed this one, but now is starting to realize how powerful this is.
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Yeah.
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Gyms and fitness facilities can do a really good job of attracting people. They figured out how to attract people. They suck at keeping people. This has been a problem in the fitness industry forever. How do we keep people. The gyms that keep people are the ones that have culture and community. Yeah.
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Real good culture.
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Nobody leaves.
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B
But the question is, though, Sal, is it really in their best entrance for that?
- [26:37]
C
What do you mean to keep. Yeah, not if you're charging 20 bucks model. That's right.
- [26:42]
B
Well, even. Even at the, say, the 150 or higher end. Like, I bet you if you looked at Lifetime Fitness or Equinox, if every member showed up, they couldn't. Yeah. The fire marshal would call on them, too. So almost all gyms. Okay. Besides boutique ones that have limited spots are actually designed that we want you to kind of show up, but not really.
- [27:07]
C
Well.
- [27:08]
E
We don't want you that hardcore.
- [27:09]
C
Well, what they're doing, Adam, because I've been looking up. I've been looking this up recently because we have trainers and coaches and I have this, like, I always, in the back of my mind, I always want to own a gym, even though it's not. Don't. I know you're going to get pissed off, but it's not this big money maker.
- [27:21]
B
No, I know, but we all want to do.
- [27:22]
C
I look at the data. I want to own a bar, too, and I'm studying the data. And you know what these gyms do? These gyms that are like you just said, these really nice gyms that charge a lot.
- [27:30]
B
Yeah.
- [27:30]
C
They make a lot of money on the community stuff that's in the gym. So you have a membership, but then people spend money on eating lunch there.
- [27:36]
B
Yeah.
- [27:37]
C
They spend money on the massage merchandise. They spend money on the extras. The community stuff. Yeah. The pool where they can hang out with the other people. So it's community. And what's happening is Gen Z. Gen Z is wanting this. And I think it's probably because of lack of connection for this younger generation.
- [27:55]
B
For sure. I mean, one of the biggest complaints when you talk to a younger person is who was. I just, I was just talking to someone about this, how hard it is to date and meet people.
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E
Social outlets.
- [28:05]
B
Yeah.
- [28:05]
E
There's just very minimal, you know, that Gen Z run into people.
- [28:07]
C
Gen Z now ranks the gym as the number one place to be social.
- [28:11]
B
Right.
- [28:11]
E
Makes sense.
- [28:12]
C
They replaced bars.
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B
And so I. And, and you also, you. You have a nice bias by going there. If you go to a bar to find somebody where everyone's getting, you know what, you're getting effed up. Yeah, it is. It's a mixed bag there. You know, there might be somewhere there that's drink.
- [28:29]
C
One thing you know is everyone's there to drink.
- [28:30]
B
Yeah, that's. Yeah. Which could be for all the wrong reasons. If you're there too long, maybe some good reason. But it's like, it is definitely a roll of the dice. Would you. And you go to the gym, everybody in there is growth minded. They're trying to in somewhat of an aspect, some aspect of like they want to improve themselves. And, and that's, that's a solid better group. That's a solid quality to, to find. It doesn't mean that you meet the perfect person but it's, I'd say. Would you not argue that one of the major attributes to having a successful marriage is having a partner who is equally focused on growth.
- [29:04]
E
Of course minded.
- [29:06]
C
Right.
- [29:06]
B
I mean that's, that's.
- [29:07]
C
Hey listen, what's the number one reason why we all like working in gyms? It was, it was the culture. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's that culture people are coming into and they're choosing to voluntarily self improve.
- [29:16]
B
So I, I do believe you're right. I mean that the model is going to be these high end 150 to 250 or more. Yeah.
- [29:25]
C
Or more small places.
- [29:26]
E
Well. And you see how they're incorporating like your peptide and your hormone.
- [29:30]
C
That's right.
- [29:31]
E
And in cryotherapy and like a lot of these like kind of add on
- [29:34]
B
options workspaces too because a lot of people can work remotely and I think having, I mean I would, I would love to have. The Bay Area doesn't have a good one. They have, they have one that's kind of like that, but it's not that good.
- [29:45]
C
It's, it's, it's. I think it's, I think it's the future and I think it's an important focus that gyms are going to start paying attention to because the fitness industry moved away from that actually started that way. So gyms used to be very culture dominant. Then it slowly turned into put your headphones on, you're in your own space, do your thing. You like the equipment. Cool. Get in, get out, you don't talk to anybody. And I think that's a big mistake. Fitness fanatics don't care. I don't care because I go into my thing, I leave. But most people, the community and they're finding this now in the data like this is what people want.
- [30:16]
B
Yeah.
- [30:17]
C
So I think the future of gyms is. It's already moving in that direction.
- [30:21]
B
Yeah.
- [30:21]
C
So I got a crazy study for you that's really interesting. First off, do you know. So they did, there's some studies on aging. Do you know that the easiest way to predict someone's like biological, biological age and also their, whatever their, their chronological age but also how much, how, how old their DNA is or how much their Their wear and tear is. There's a plate. There's. There's a way you can look at someone.
- [30:45]
E
Not just their telomeres.
- [30:46]
C
No, no, it's their face. Of all the things on someone.
- [30:50]
B
Oh, really?
- [30:51]
C
You could predict it. If you had to just pick something to look at, it would be their face. Like how, like how stressed are they? How. How much is their body actually?
- [30:58]
E
Feels a lot, huh?
- [30:59]
C
It does. So they actually did this study where they said they looked at occupations and ranked them from best to worst in terms of how quickly they were aging based off their face. Wild. Yes. Do you know who is the worst?
- [31:14]
B
Gotta be things like surgeons or ER doctors or high stress jobs.
- [31:20]
C
Scientists and educators. Okay, scientists and educators.
- [31:23]
E
Yeah, I could see it.
- [31:24]
C
By the way, the person who posted this is a longevity scientist. He's like, cool. That's my, my profession. I'm the worst one. Then it was professionals, Then it was managers, clerical sales, service workers. Athletes had the best age because you're.
- [31:40]
B
You're playing your dream sport for a living.
- [31:43]
C
And you're also just exercising.
- [31:44]
E
Playing.
- [31:45]
B
That's interesting.
- [31:46]
C
And you're out of your head and whatever.
- [31:47]
B
That makes me wonder.
- [31:47]
C
I.
- [31:48]
B
So I'd love to do Katrina's biological. I told you guys off air what had happened the other day. So the other day in the gym, she's still floating about it. It's been like two weeks now. Yeah, she's got her. She's got her headphones on in the gym and. And her. They die, but she just leaves them on. And there's two ladies, there's a trainer who's training a client like next to her. And.
- [32:11]
C
Yeah.
- [32:12]
B
And they're. And they're talking about her and they don't know she can hear. And they're. They're like, that's. That's Adam's wife, you know, with mind pump. You know, that is right. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know this. And she looks over and she's like looking at Katrina. She's like, figures he would date some girl that's way younger than him. Oh, God.
- [32:33]
C
Because she's not.
- [32:34]
B
Oh, no. She's older than me. So I, I did have the biggest story to set that story straight, by the way.
- [32:40]
C
It's kind of like a double. Like there's two sides of that.
- [32:42]
B
There is. There's like, it's an insult to me. It's like, it's like saying I'm a shallow person.
- [32:47]
C
Right?
- [32:48]
B
Like, of course. He's like some shallow guy that would
- [32:50]
C
date, like, of Course, he would date some young.
- [32:51]
B
Right. So she's all happy about it. But I'm like reading into him, going like, you know, it's a big bit of an insult to me, though, right. It's kind of like saying that I'm shallow or something. Like, I don't know. But. So, yeah, I. I did a story the other day teasing her because she.
- [33:03]
C
Her.
- [33:04]
B
Her stack just came in from Vitabella, just sent to her stack of all her. Yeah, her gh. And so I was sharing the stuff that she does for her. Her routine for her face and stuff like that, because she is really good about that. And she'll do her morning cream, her night cream that has the ghkcu, the nad, I think glutathione and something else in there. There's like an exilic acid or something. You might know.
- [33:28]
C
I don't know.
- [33:29]
B
Yeah, I don't know what it was. I thought you would know. But that stack. And then she's. She's more consistent than I am. She sits in front of the juv light. She. Right after she gets out, she does.
- [33:38]
C
How often is she doing the jubilee?
- [33:39]
B
Every day. So almost every night after. So we like our routine. So after she'll do math Max and. And bathe him and get him ready. So like that. That's when she takes her shower, does her cream stuff, and then she'll sit down right in front of the. The light right after that. I think she does like 10 or 15 minutes daily. So every. Every single night. You know, she might miss a weekend night or something like that. When we're doing something.
- [34:03]
C
If you use joovv on your face to look younger, you'll notice in a week.
- [34:08]
E
It makes a big difference with Courtney, too. She does it all the time.
- [34:11]
C
Oh, big difference.
- [34:12]
B
I mean, I'm in and out of doing it and I always notice a difference when I get right back in the routine of doing it. Like, I would say within three, probably three times of me, I noticed it mainly in.
- [34:20]
E
Underneath her eyes. Like, it definitely makes a big difference.
- [34:24]
C
Yeah.
- [34:25]
B
So, I mean, I think. I mean, Katrina is. She's also. To the study and to the point you're bringing. I mean, probably one of the most Zen people I've ever met in my
- [34:33]
C
life, you know, Also stresses. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [34:36]
B
Like I've. I don't think I've ever seen her stressed out, you know, weird.
- [34:39]
C
She's married to you. I work with you. She.
- [34:47]
B
Yeah, she does not. She does not bounces right off.
- [34:50]
C
I age working next to you.
- [34:51]
B
Yeah, I need you, that's who. Why is Doug keep getting younger then?
- [35:01]
C
I'm harder, I'm harder on. He's the furthest. Exactly.
- [35:06]
B
No, she definitely, she definitely is. I mean I, I definitely give her a lot of credit for, for checking me on a lot of that stuff like that. She's always the quip first to think of the, the most optimistic way to look at every situation. And, and between that and her skincare and her juvelite, I think she's hacked into looking younger than me. Even though she's older than me.
- [35:29]
C
That's so great. Speaking of attractiveness, they did a study. I don't know why they do studies like this sometimes, but whatever, we'll talk about it. So they did a study on men and women and they wanted to see how much someone's income would affect their attractiveness.
- [35:48]
B
For both sexes.
- [35:49]
C
For both sexes.
- [35:50]
B
Oh, interesting. So I'm more interested in what the guys say about girls.
- [35:54]
C
Okay. So they took.
- [35:55]
B
We all know what the other way around.
- [35:56]
C
So they took pictures of women.
- [35:57]
B
Okay.
- [35:58]
C
And it was just. You just see them. And then they took pictures of women and put underneath them their salary.
- [36:02]
B
Interesting.
- [36:03]
C
And then they say did the same thing with men.
- [36:05]
B
Okay.
- [36:05]
C
They put a picture.
- [36:06]
B
Okay, cool. It's actually, this is actually a cool study.
- [36:09]
C
I mean, I guess if you don't, if you don't know that obvious. Well, who do you think responds better to.
- [36:14]
B
Well, that's obvious. It's obvious. We know that you talked about this. The evolutionary theory, whether whatever that women that saw the increased salary are going to be more attracted to that guy. And we see this all over in society. It's very obvious. Okay, so that's nuts. What I'm more interested in is did the guys that saw the girls. Well, yeah. Did they care at all or. And, and did they actually look negatively around the higher income women? Did they become less attractive as they made more money? That would be interesting.
- [36:45]
C
Actually made almost no zero effect.
- [36:48]
B
Okay.
- [36:49]
E
Yeah, well, that makes sense.
- [36:49]
C
So like how attractive is she? And then. And then boom, you see, she makes more. Nothing. Almost no. Had almost no effect on the guys.
- [36:58]
B
So I would think so if I had to predict, I would have predicted guys would be no effect.
- [37:02]
C
Or maybe slightly negative.
- [37:03]
B
If it's slightly negative. If it was a lot more than that. Because I could see that. I've seen situations like that. I've seen, I've seen guys that are intimidated by a girl that is, that makes a lot more money.
- [37:15]
C
Here's the question I have. I wonder if it's less about being intimidated. Intimidated? Because that could very well be the case. I'm just thinking out loud.
- [37:22]
B
Yeah.
- [37:22]
C
Or it could be more about knowing that you're less attractive to a woman. Because when they look at data, when women make more than men and their couples, the man, even if he makes a lot of money, he becomes less attractive to her and the divorce rate actually goes up. So divorce rates higher.
- [37:39]
E
Like they're immediately going to think less.
- [37:40]
B
Oh, yeah. How high is the divorce rate in a sit in a relationship where the woman makes significantly more than man?
- [37:45]
C
Well, when the man doesn't work and the woman works, it's a lot higher. So if he's the stay at home and she works the. The divorce rate goes up.
- [37:53]
B
Oh, yeah. Okay.
- [37:54]
C
So I wonder if it's that like, oh, she might not like me as much.
- [37:57]
E
It's got a factor in.
- [37:58]
C
Yeah, I wonder. It could also be intimidation.
- [38:00]
B
I mean, those are kind of. Maybe they're kind of the same thing
- [38:03]
E
is describing what you're feeling.
- [38:05]
B
Yeah, it's kind of the same. It's kind of the same.
- [38:06]
C
But intimidation.
- [38:07]
B
Like intimidation insecure. However you want to. However you want to say.
- [38:11]
C
Okay, what does that say? Oh, that's not good. Read that, Doug.
- [38:14]
D
Yeah. Couple where the wife earns more than the husband are generally at a higher risk of divorce. Studies indicating they're 33 to 50% more likely to divorce.
- [38:25]
C
Doug, look up how odds increase that a woman will cheat when she's the bread winner. That's another bad one. The rate of infidelity.
- [38:35]
B
Well, I imagine she loses a little bit of respect for him.
- [38:37]
C
Respect, attractiveness, maybe, Whatever. Yeah, because.
- [38:41]
B
Is that. So lack of respect is similar to contempt, isn't it? Wouldn't they be hand in hand?
- [38:47]
C
I think so.
- [38:48]
B
So, yeah. So if you lose respect for your man, it's like having contempt. And you know, remember when we did the great interview with. Who is a couple that are like, famous for all the psych.
- [38:56]
C
Oh, gosh.
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B
The number. The number one.
- [38:59]
C
I can't remember.
- [38:59]
B
The number one reason for infidelity or divorce was contempt.
- [39:03]
C
Yeah.
- [39:04]
B
And so him not making as much would lead more. Was more likely to lead to contempt.
- [39:09]
C
Or what does that say, Doug?
- [39:10]
D
Well, it actually says that women who are the primary breadwinners are least likely to cheat.
- [39:14]
C
Oh, really? Yeah.
- [39:16]
B
Oh, interesting. Too busy working. She's too busy working.
- [39:19]
C
That's interesting.
- [39:20]
E
Stay at home. Yeah, dad, that's probably.
- [39:23]
B
Well, men are. Men are way higher. More likely. Right? Way more.
- [39:27]
C
Who's.
- [39:27]
B
Yeah, look at the Odds guys are way more.
- [39:30]
C
I would imagine not that big of a difference. I think, I think. I think there's a difference.
- [39:33]
B
It's way. Guys are way higher. Girls are more likely to confide in like another. Another man and like be like that. Men are more likely to cheat physically like that.
- [39:42]
C
Oh, like cheat emotionally.
- [39:44]
B
Yeah, yeah. She's more likely to have a co worker. She works. She. She shares all her personal stuff with this to sleep with them.
- [39:50]
C
You guys know that if a woman's best friend gets divorced, the odds of her getting divorced go up. Do you guys know that? Yeah, dude. If there's a woman who has a best friend, they're both married, her best friend gets divorced.
- [39:59]
E
Super influenced.
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C
Her odds go up. Yeah, that she might.
- [40:02]
B
I would think a guys would too though,
- [40:07]
G
because.
- [40:08]
B
Okay, let. Let's not. Let's take marriage. Any question. I remember in When. You're kidding. Maybe right when you were kids. I totally remember like the homie group. You know what I'm saying?
- [40:17]
C
You're.
- [40:18]
B
When you're all coupled up, it's all good. You're doing a couple things and then one or two guys are single and it's like you're the one guy who's still in relationship.
- [40:24]
C
You're either.
- [40:25]
B
Oh man. You hang out with your chick again, you get all the pressure to be single. I used to like you when you were single.
- [40:32]
C
You're way more fun when you're single. Well, so. So anyway. So let's go back to the study.
- [40:35]
E
Yeah, that's like early on stuff.
- [40:37]
C
So a woman. Women are 1000 times more sensitive to a man's income when evaluated.
- [40:43]
B
75. More likely divorce. Sal. What if your best friend. If your best friend divorces.
- [40:49]
C
Yeah.
- [40:50]
B
Holy cow. 75.
- [40:52]
C
Wow. That's a big one.
- [40:53]
B
That's highs.
- [40:54]
D
Social contagion is what they call it.
- [40:56]
C
Yeah.
- [40:57]
D
So both sides, same story.
- [40:59]
B
Oh, so it is both sexes. Both sex. Both sexes.
- [41:02]
C
Oh, wow. Well, so. So do you guys hear what I said though, about the data?
- [41:07]
B
No, no, sorry, say again? I was.
- [41:08]
C
Women are a thousand times more sensitive to a man's income when evaluating his attractiveness. A thousand.
- [41:13]
B
A thousand.
- [41:15]
C
A thousand times. That's a big number.
- [41:18]
E
That's big.
- [41:18]
C
Yeah. You could be like a three and you make like a million dollars a year. And now you're eight.
- [41:23]
B
Now the reverse. You could flip that on its head too. With the guys. We probably care a thousand times more about physical, right?
- [41:31]
C
Probably. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think so.
- [41:34]
B
Yeah.
- [41:35]
C
Yeah. I don't know about a thousand, but definitely more.
- [41:37]
B
Yeah. Well, a lot more, I would think. Yeah. If like you would. If they did. I'm sure there's studies on this where they've asked surveys of guys what's their number one thing. And it's like probably attractiveness is probably top of most people's list for men.
- [41:48]
C
Beauty.
- [41:49]
B
Yeah. And girls probably say things like humor and like a lot of other things. But yeah, attractiveness is number one. So I bet we're probably up there with that.
- [41:58]
C
Yeah.
- [41:58]
B
So that makes sense. I know it isn't. I. I find the.
- [42:02]
C
What machine should I do in the gym to get more girls? Get good at the atm. I'll make more money, bro.
- [42:09]
B
You know, so a lot of people, A lot of people hate on that. Right? And there's a lot of like, oh, gold digger. A negative. But that is no different. Okay then. If we were to go back 3,000 years and the guy who could kill deer left and right, easy, like the best shot and was coming home with deer over his shoulder every single day, versus the guy who showed up empty handed or a squirrel. You know what I'm saying? He comes, he found some nuts outside. Yeah, yeah. He found some nuts and berries in a squirrel. You know what I'm saying? I guarantee those two guys walk into camp, I don't give a shit what's what they look like. Physically. The women are looking at a dude who's carrying that deer and she's like,
- [42:52]
E
she's like, I'm hungry.
- [42:53]
B
He is attractive as hell. Because you know why? Because he can feed me and our child. Like that's. And nobody would hate on that, but because today that the way we show that.
- [43:03]
C
It's just the way it is, dude.
- [43:04]
B
Well, that's how we show it today though. It's no different, right?
- [43:06]
C
No, it's 100.
- [43:07]
B
Yeah. It's just an example of that. He's. He's proven that he can go out and hunt.
- [43:11]
E
Competent.
- [43:12]
B
Yeah. With the best of them. And so it's like. I don't know. I don't know. I think people. I think I got some blue. That too much
- [43:19]
C
sex.
- [43:20]
B
You.
- [43:20]
C
Yeah, Blueberries. I could have went and collected blueberries.
- [43:23]
E
You're gonna keep those blueberries.
- [43:25]
B
Sent you out to get a deer. You know what I'm saying?
- [43:28]
C
Squirrel hungry. What's wrong with you?
- [43:30]
B
Imagine that you have to be that guy carrying the little stab something.
- [43:36]
C
You're with your buddies. I can't go home, dude. Yeah, bro. I killed a squirrel.
- [43:40]
E
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:40]
B
No way, dude.
- [43:41]
C
My wife's be so bad.
- [43:43]
E
I got a Muskrat in the back you can borrow.
- [43:46]
C
Here's some fish. That's so funny. I want to hear. Justin, you were. You have. There's a note up here about you getting out by your boy.
- [43:53]
E
Oh, yeah. So over the weekend, I went to. So my son was competing in Santa Cruz for this, like, regional.
- [44:01]
B
He won.
- [44:01]
E
Yeah, he won. He got first place.
- [44:03]
B
First place, dog.
- [44:04]
E
Yeah.
- [44:04]
A
Wow.
- [44:04]
E
Yeah. And he had. I mean, there was, like, four competitors in his level, but this is a new level for him, bro.
- [44:11]
B
He's really good.
- [44:12]
E
Level 10. Yeah. So he's.
- [44:14]
C
He's legit.
- [44:15]
E
He has to do, like, double back flips now, and. And so he has to get a lot higher in his approach before. And I was talking to Adam earlier about this. Like, he was stalled. Like, he was stuck. Like, so I'm really proud of him for. For being able to break through. And for the minute there, we actually, like, even. Because the coach that was working on these, really good coach, but, like, couldn't, you know, help get past this one thing. Like, we. I was, like, trying all of my speeches with him. You know, Corey's like, can you just, like, you know, pump them up, like, motivate him somehow? I'm like, I've literally done, like, everything in my playbook. I'm, like, out, so. And he just would, you know, and he's just kind of bummed because it's. It's outside of school, for one, so it's like, he's doing this. Putting a lot of work into this, like, outside of school, not with his friends and everything. And so it was kind of like he was feeling a little bit of that depression and like, all this kind of stuff. So anyway, we looked at getting him a. A sports psychologist, which I never would have thought of, but one of his teammates had used one, and. And all of a sudden, it, like, unlocked for them. And so Courtney kind of presented that to me, and I was like, oh, that's interesting. Let me see.
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C
And I.
- [45:34]
E
At first, I tried to, like, you know, look through our Rolodex of people we've interviewed and stuff, and there was, like, Brett McCabe, I think, was one. But, yeah, and I looked and, you know, he didn't get a hold of him. But there was this one guy who was recommended that was local and started talking to him and did some. Some sessions with him, and it was literally, like, after that one session with him, he went back to the gym, and then all of a sudden, boom, he got it, and just like. Yeah. And I was like, what did he
- [46:06]
B
say, what was it?
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E
You know, and it just. I think you just need to hear it from somebody else, of course, and to just get empowered. But anyways, so all that to be said, like, my story was not nothing to do with any of that.
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C
Okay?
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E
I was outside, I was like, walking back to my car with Everett, and I was wearing my sweatshirt, and it's a Santa Cruz sweatshirt, and so it's like a skate surf brand, but it's. It's really pretty much like anybody down there wears Santa Cruz. Brandon. So these two kids was skateboards, and sunglasses come up to me and they're
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C
like, hey, can you do a kick flip?
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E
And this guy had like a video and he's like, can you do a kick flip? And I was like. I was like, are you guys trying to shame me right now? Is this like some kind of setup? Like, I was like, I'm a total poser. You know, this is literally what they're doing. They're trying like, oh, come on, old man.
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B
You know, like, no way.
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E
Do a kick flip. And I was like, why don't you push press315, yo, punks.
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B
I walked away and I was like,
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E
oh, man, my ego. I was like, having to check myself, like, you know, like I was gonna say some. Some bad things.
- [47:15]
C
How old are these kids?
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E
They were like, maybe, I don't know, 12, 13, something like that. But I was like, what is this? You know, I think it's like some tick tock setup.
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B
Oh, it totally is. That's what that is. These kids do this all the time.
- [47:28]
C
That would have been a win for them either way. Either you kickflip or you fall. I'm like, we're gonna put this on.
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E
I was so mad because when I left, I was like talking to.
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G
To.
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E
To ever. I was like, dude, I should just be like, yeah, no problem. Get their skateboard, then just take it and bail. I'm gonna go work on it and then just like, take off.
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C
I'm gonna get my dad's skateboard back. Go ahead, get your dad.
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E
Or just like stomping on it in half.
- [47:51]
C
Wow.
- [47:52]
E
Oh, man, they're 12.
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B
Justin.
- [47:55]
E
Listen, that's the. That's the bully in me.
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B
I thought all these thoughts and I didn't do it. Hey, let's be honest. They're trying to set him up anyways. Yeah, they're trying to make me look bad.
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C
I just.
- [48:04]
E
Just, you know. Yeah, I'm a poser.
- [48:06]
B
So Did. Did. Did Ethan did. Was Ethan happy he got the coach?
- [48:12]
E
He was, he was. He was really resistant to it, so I. I didn't say any of that, but, like, he was definitely pushing back, and he's like. He had a thought of, like, what it was. He thought it was like a shrink, you know, and it was like a. You know, we're gonna get all into, like, this emotional crap, and it's like,
- [48:28]
C
I don't want to do that, dad.
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B
It's not like that.
- [48:31]
E
He's a coach. You know, it's a performance thing. Like, it's. He's trying to help you overcome an obstacle.
- [48:37]
C
Relationship with your mom. I don't want to do that.
- [48:41]
B
Yeah. I don't want.
- [48:43]
E
We're not going there. Don't worry, pal. So, yeah, once we. I don't know, had a few days of, like, kind of coaxing him into it, you finally, like, agreed, and then now he would.
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B
He would say he. Totally.
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C
Totally.
- [48:53]
B
Oh, yeah.
- [48:54]
C
Oh, that's.
- [48:54]
E
And then we just intermittently kind of use if he has any kind of big, you know, barrier there.
- [49:01]
C
Like, so much is mental.
- [49:02]
E
It's just. Yeah, it just really helps.
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B
I know that.
- [49:04]
E
Sports all mental.
- [49:05]
B
It's been so long since we did that episode with Brett McKay, but I remember him talking about some stuff in there that was really interesting, that that was not what I thought, like, with the stuff that he had to work on with.
- [49:15]
C
I mean, you guys, obviously, you guys have experienced this, but I. I remember when I really fully experienced the mental side of it was it was my first tournament as an adult in jiu jitsu, because I did as a kid, but as an adult and in the gym, I felt like I was a machine. Like, I could go forever. I could go round after round. It felt like I was so good. And then in the tournament, I gassed out so hard in my first match, and I was like, it was all psychological. It was all because I was too worked up, too anxious.
- [49:46]
B
I had to pay. I had a similar fact. It was. It was a big joke amongst my buddies on the team that I was like, practice, Adam. Like, in practice, like, I dominated blocking shots and D up and hitting everything, and just. And so I'd get. I'd get opportunities to play, and then when I get out on the court, like, forget to play, freeze up, do all this stuff, like, and just make mistakes, you know? And, you know that back then, like, you. You make those mistakes, you're out, the next kid's in, and you got to be able to perform. And, you know, I didn't know any better at that age to even think about working on the psycho, the psychological side of that or anything like that, I just keep working harder, and I would do so. I would work so hard in practice that coaches always wanted to give me shots like that. But when I got to. And this is when I got to that bigger school, when I was. For some reason I was at a small school, I didn't have that same anxiety and fear. And maybe that's what it was. Was because the crowds were smaller, it wasn't as com. It was a lower level. So it wasn't quite as comparative.
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C
Less on the line, maybe.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. And so did great.
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C
And.
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B
And that was. I tell you, my parents had such a hard time with that, because here I come from being, like, the star athlete in one school, and then all sudden, I'm riding the bench on the other. But I. I knew better because I knew I'd screw up. Like, I knew I was messing up on a play or I wasn't doing something right. And so I get pulled. And so I didn't have any sort of, like, animosity to the coach. It's like, man, I got it.
- [51:06]
C
Why does this happen to me?
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B
It's like, in practice, I'm so good, and I get out here and, like, mess up, you know?
- [51:11]
C
Dude, speaking of athletic performance, so you know that I know you were using the troscriptions. Tromune.
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B
Yeah.
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C
For sleep.
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B
Yeah.
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C
By the way, you tracked your deep sleep.
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B
Yes.
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C
And it has a big effect.
- [51:20]
B
Yep, Yep.
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C
On deep sleep. Okay. So, you know, have you seen their trimmune?
- [51:24]
E
I've seen it, yeah.
- [51:25]
C
The main ingredient is cordycepin, which comes from the cordyceps supplement. So you know cordyceps. Yes. Okay. So I'm like, why is this. I've used cordyceps forever. I love cordyceps. Love it. I love it.
- [51:37]
B
For athletic performance, you've talked about increasing stamina in your workouts.
- [51:42]
C
Stamina. I can notice my heat tolerance goes up. It's. It's been used for a long time. I remember it became kind of popular because China was talking about using it, and I don't remember which Olympic Games it was when they were performing so high. But the troimmune is, like, another level. Like, if I take that before I work out, it's like, twice as effective. And then before sleep, I also get the same thing. I have the increase in rem in REM sleep. It also has an effect on immune system. So I looked it up, and I'm like. And I compared. I'm like, what is it about troscriptions versus just the normal cordyceps that I would get. Okay. Big difference, you guys. So cordycepin is the. Is one of the main active ingredients in cordyceps. It's what does the stuff that we're talking about. Okay. When you take cordyceps, typically you'll take capsules, and a high dose would be like 3,000 milligrams of powdered cordyceps.
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B
Got it.
- [52:39]
C
Within 3,000 milligrams, you're getting maybe 15 to 20 milligrams of cordycepin. If you're lucky. If it's like super high quality, oftentimes it's more like 2 milligrams or 5 milligrams. Do you guys want to know how much is in a dose of tromune?
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E
How much?
- [52:54]
C
75.75milligrams of cordycepin. So they literally took it. Concentrated.
- [53:01]
E
Super dragged it.
- [53:02]
C
Yeah, super concentrated it.
- [53:03]
B
Oh, interesting.
- [53:04]
C
So, like, pre workout, especially if you're gonna have, like, short rest periods or you're gonna do high reps or any kind of endurance, you'll notice for sure. And then for sleep ram. Which is crazy because you tracked it. I know. Doug tracked it.
- [53:16]
B
Yeah.
- [53:16]
C
You see an increase?
- [53:17]
B
Yeah, I did. I saw right away. Very first. The first time I.
- [53:20]
C
Not.
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B
I had one of my best REM sleeps. I had. I've had since I've been tracking.
- [53:22]
C
Yeah.
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B
So I was like, oh, this is cool.
- [53:24]
C
Yeah, super cool.
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G
Wow.
- [53:26]
C
Speaking of something else that's cool, I sell this app that has got to be one of the most cool fitness apps I've seen in a long time. No affiliation. Have you guys heard of Push Scroll?
- [53:35]
E
Push Scroll?
- [53:37]
C
Okay.
- [53:37]
E
No, it's.
- [53:38]
C
It's actually pretty cool. So my buddy Chuck is using it. So you connect it to your. To whatever social media platforms you want to. So you could do YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, whatever you. Whatever you want, whatever you use a lot of.
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B
Okay.
- [53:54]
C
You end up earning time on those by doing exercises, push ups, squats, sit ups, and it'll give you time. So, like, a push up is worth two minutes. A squat is worth one minute. And I'm like, well, that's kind of cool. But, like, how does it track.
- [54:11]
B
How does it track the camera?
- [54:13]
C
So he showed me. He puts it up. It tracks his body movement. And it only count a full squat. It'll only count a full pushup. Then it connects to his social media. When he goes on his Instagram, he clicks on it. It's locked, and it says, do you want to use some of your time you say yes, then you pull from the time that you earned and then that's how much time you're on your social media. And then it kicks you off. And so I'm like. And I told him, I said, is this actually working? And he goes, yes. My total social media time went down by more than half because I said, now why is that? I said, number one, you exercise for. It was, I don't mind. I like doing like activity. He goes, but what's cool is you when you're picking the time that you want to go on your Instagram, you know, you'll say, I only want to be on for 10 minutes. Usually you have that idea in your mind that I'm only gonna be on for 10 minutes.
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B
Then it gets.
- [54:55]
C
You get trapped.
- [54:56]
B
Yeah.
- [54:56]
C
He's like, but this kicks me off. And I go, actually was wasting time. And I come off, he's bro, cut his social media time by more than half and he's doing like hundreds of squats and push ups.
- [55:05]
B
He's a crossfitter, so.
- [55:08]
C
But, but I'm like, can you cheat it? No, no, you got to record you. So he was doing squats and if it's like a half squat, it won't count. If it's like a full, that's pretty cool.
- [55:16]
B
It's interesting. It's interesting to see how well that would work.
- [55:20]
C
Yeah, I wonder how.
- [55:21]
E
I mean, I like that they're trying to innovate, you know, solutions for this.
- [55:25]
C
I think this is for somebody's fitness minded who also wants to get off social media.
- [55:28]
B
I mean, I think it's a cool tool for kids. If you have a kid and you're trying to encourage.
- [55:32]
C
Yeah. Maybe put a password on it. Oh, yeah.
- [55:35]
B
I see it more, I see it more valuable for that than, like, for me, it would be a nuisance to have to like record every bit of my workout because that's kind of.
- [55:45]
C
Well, it's not every bit of your workout. It's just, oh, I want time. So I'm gonna do body weight squats or I'm gonna do body weight push ups. So throughout the day you just earn time. That's how you do it.
- [55:53]
B
That's even more ridiculous.
- [55:57]
C
I thought it was, I thought it was a cool concept. I like what you said though, Justin. For kids, that would be kind of cool. Like if you have a kid that's like inactive.
- [56:02]
B
I said that, but loves it. Yeah, it's okay.
- [56:06]
C
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D
Our first caller is Lindsay from North Carolina.
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C
Hi Lindsay.
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B
Hi Lindsey.
- [56:52]
A
Oh my gosh, this is so crazy to see all of you.
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G
Hi.
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C
How can we help you?
- [56:58]
A
Thank you so much for taking my call. I really appreciate it. I'm going to read from my email if that's okay, just because I'm a little nervous fanstruck here, but before asking my question, I wanted to express my deepest gratitude to all of you for everything that you bring to the show. I've been a listener since 2019 and the advice and insight you share has changed the way I look at health, fitness, and longevity. I wanted to add that I particularly appreciate the way you communicate respectfully and honestly to women, and I respect and admire your focus on being fathers and the intentionality with which you raise your children. So thanks so much for all that.
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C
Thank you. That's nice.
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A
I'm a huge fan of the show and I'd love some advice on making a career change to personal training. I'm a trained social worker coming to the end of a long career in child abuse investigation, supervision, and administration. I love being a social worker and I care so much about helping children and families, but I've always been passionate about fitness and movement and I'm considering a career change to fitness. I've rebounded from three knee surgeries and I manage chronic Lyme disease, so I feel like I have a pretty empathetic mindset for helping others work through physical struggle. I've also been diagnosed with an eating disorder and I think I can understand the mental hardships of individuals battling insecurity, anxiety, dysmorphia, and dysfunctional relationships with diet and exercise. But I have a secure and a pretty stable job that meets all my needs. I'm single, I cover all my expenses, health insurance, retirement, all the things. And I'd like to make a career change and I'd love to hear your perspective on how realistic it would be for an almost 50 year old to enter the field of personal training. I've spent decades working with people and meeting people where they are and helping them to make change, but I'm just not sure. And I'm hoping for some insight on how this could transfer to personal training.
- [58:53]
C
Yeah, very good question. I think you have everything it takes. Yeah, you have the right heart for personal training, which is the most important thing, training, you know, six, seven, eight clients a day. Different personalities, different challenges, lots of, you know, failures along the way. If you don't have a deep passion and love for people and wanting to help them, that gets old real fast. So that's the most important thing. It sounds like you've got that. Let's talk about the. The what it would look like to move over to be a personal trainer and, you know, kind of what to expect and what the challenges may be for someone like you. I don't think you'd have a challenge wanting to help people at all. Obviously, that's what you do for a living now. And your background, I think, makes you.
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B
You'll excel at it.
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C
You'll do very well with that. The thing that would be maybe a challenge would be the sales aspect of it, because as a, as a. As a trainer, regardless of the environment, you're in big box, which is probably where you would want to start, that'd be a great place to learn everything. Or private, which would be much more difficult. But still, you'd have to. You have to sell. You have to be able to get people to hire you. You're not giving clients. Sometimes in big box gyms will give you some clients, but you. But it is you building your business and promoting and selling, and that's a skill in and of itself. There's also a time period where you're gonna have to build your client base. If you go in and you work hard, you know, I would say give yourself a cushion. That's like three to six months to build a good client base with. You know, if you put. If you apply yourself, you show up, you're there, you're learning by three to six months in a big box gym, you'll do just fine because the opportunities are so plentiful in a big box gym. And then I would stay there. And big box gyms will provide you with health insurance and all that stuff. And then I would stay there until you're really doing well, until you're like one of the top trainers. And then from there you can decide if you want to go private, if you want to work in a correctional exercise environment, which it sounds like maybe you'd be more interested in or something like that, or working with a Functional medicine practitioner. But it's. But you want to learn in an environment that provides you with lots of opportunity. Like when it comes to leads and potential clients. Big box gyms, they're plentiful in smaller studios and private. There's like none. You have to like walk outside the studio and like try to build a business which can be very difficult. But if you learn it in a big box arena and do well there, then you'll. The odds are better that you've got what it takes to do it in a private environment.
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B
I mean, Sal said it really well. And the difference that in how difficult this would, this transition would be would be solely on the sales aspect. You have everything it takes to be a good coach and going to be a great trainer. It would. It's the transition from a very good income that's consistent that you've built already to this starting all over and you know, does that take two months, six months, eight months, a year? Solely depends on how much you lean into the sales side. If you get good at that and you embrace that, you'll do well and do well fast. The more you resist it or you don't like it or you struggle with it, that is what will extend out that pain. Like how long does it take me to get there? I think no matter what, like you could, you would become a great coach no matter what. I think we all feel confident with your background that you would really be able to help people. But unfortunately there's none of these businesses that will just put people in front of you. You have to go be able to get those people and the big box is the best place to get to, to put the exercise in that because they will at least give you some clients. Whereas if you did try and start in a small gym or go private, you would, that would solely fall on you to go through that. And that's really hard. That's really hard for a good trainer. A good trainer will struggle. I've seen many trainers that were there some top guys or girls working for me and then they went off on their own and they really struggled to, to go build their business by themselves. So I, I can't, I can't stress enough how important that, you know, beginning stage of learning that skill set through a big box is so valuable because they, they'll give you so many good reps. And so yeah, it really, really. How much does that. I mean one of the. Just so you know too, I don't know how familiar you are with the course that we created. So when we created our trainer course. We really looked at the space and said, you know, where's the gap? Like we weren't trying to compete with NCSF or nasm. A lot of these great national certs that do a good job with biomechanics and nutrition and human physiology. What we saw the massive gap in was building your business with sales, client communication, building, scaling a business. And so our course is really heavily weighted in that. So if that's something you want to embark in, I would highly recommend getting in there because that we have a great community and we have it's ongoing community. So Ann meets with the trainers and it's within a school community. So you have other trainers that are building their business at the same time. So it's very, very valuable for somebody who's trying to make that transition.
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C
And Lindsay, just to encourage you, and you know, Adam, Justin and myself have worked with and trained a lot of trainers and have helped a lot of trainers become successful. And this is the encouraging part. Okay. Sometimes when people hear sales, they think of either a particular type of personality or like you're selling products or you gotta have this kind of like pushy. Yeah, pushy. And you gotta learn how to overcome objections. And that kind of what you're selling is not a product really. What it is is how effectively can you communicate to somebody the value in working with someone like you, you and you know, how much it could really impact somebody. I mean, you take the average person and if they exercise appropriately and improve their eating for them, right, for their body, because it's different from person to person, there isn't, there really isn't a part of the life that won't improve from that. And you know that, right? So it's like, how effectively can I communicate that to Ms. Johnson or Mr. Smith who's in front of me, so that they say, you know what? Yeah, I think I'd like to Invest, you know, $1,000 or $2,000 in working with Lindsay because this is so valuable. That's the sales part that we're talking about. Because what people see when they look at fitness is they go, oh, I just. Okay, just move it. I just gotta go move more. Here's a bunch of jams. Oh, you're a trainer. Just show me a few exercises and then I'll be okay. And you're just like every other trainer, so whoever's cheaper, you know, type of deal. And My membership's only 30 bucks a month. Why would I spend $2,000 for, you know, 20 sessions of training? Or something like that. And so the communication aspect, which is sales, is so important with that, but it's not. Again, like, I've worked with so many trainers where like, I just want to help people.
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B
Yeah.
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C
I'm not trying to sell anything.
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E
It's like, listen, that is what's going to sell them. That passion you have to help people is what's going to, you know, you just have to be able to paint that picture for them clearly and, and use that communication skill to, to really convey, you know, what you're going to do with them, how their lives going to be different as a result of this. And, you know, after that, it's really just a matter of like, when can we start? So I think that trainers get hung up a lot with, you know, that end result of I have to like, get to the point where now they get the credit card out and it's like this friction. But really, you know, you just building up that confidence of how to really convey a crystal clear plan for them is going to be huge.
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C
And actually, you probably already know this as a social worker, you'll go work with people and you're trying to get them to change how they live. And a lot of that hinges on how well you can communicate it and that sales. And so your client hires you. The sales process isn't done every day you train them, it's like, okay, how can I communicate to this person in a way that gets them to make these changes in really effective, impactful, like forever ways? And you've listened to our podcast for probably a little while. That's all we do on the show is I'm trying to communicate ideas in ways that click for people. So that's the part. And just again, I'm just trying to encourage you because anytime I talk to somebody who's really wants to help people, oftentimes when I say sales, they're like, that's not what I want to do. I want to help people.
- [67:38]
A
Yeah, no, I. Thank you so much. That means so much, I think. Yeah. I've been listening to you for. I started listening right before COVID actually. I was coming out of a knee surgery and I had been a runner and I was like ready to slip my wrist because I couldn't run anymore. And I had actually a then boyfriend who was like, you got to start lifting, you got to start resistance changing.
- [67:59]
B
And.
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A
And I started listening to you guys at the same time. And that completely changed my life.
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C
Awesome.
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A
And absolutely changed my life. And I appreciate what you're saying because I Think what I've done in social work for so long, like, all I've done for 20 years is try to sell people on how to change their life. Yes, I spent decades, but it's. But it's been different things. Right. It's been like sobriety, better jobs. Not in a domestically violent relationship. Not being, you know, I've been selling different things to people, and I'm ready to sell something wonderful. That's a little different. Right. Like, I think I'm just ready to sell something new.
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C
That's great. Yeah. I would say.
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B
I think Ann should call you and she'll talk to you more about what.
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C
Yeah, look at our course. Because I think it would really help you if you decide to move in that direction. Definitely. My advice would be to start in a big box. That's not where you would end up, unless you love it and you want to end up wanting to move up in management or whatever. But that'd be the best. It's like the best place to learn how to get this going. And then from there, if you're like, oh, my gosh, I want to go private or whatever, then the opportunities really open up. But that'll be the. Are you located in an area where you've got access to big box gyms?
- [69:12]
A
Yeah. So I'm in Charlotte, which is. Which is great. It's a little bit of an issue for me only in that I moved here, like, 10 months ago to be closer to family and help my parents that are getting to a certain point of life. So I don't. I feel like the. The transition makes me nervous because I'm not super connected in this community. Like, I had been in Philadelphia for 25 years, and I, you know, knew so many more people, and here I just don't. You guys know, like, life is so much about who you know and who you trust and who you can connect with. So that makes me nervous, too, like, putting myself out there in a new career where I don't really have connections in the community yet, but I think it's worth a shot. And my friends, I have the best friend group in the world, and they all were like, absolutely billion percent, you should do this. But several of them were like, you should write in and ask the guys, which means you have to say, you should ask the guys and see what they say. So I really appreciate your feedback.
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B
Yeah, you have. You have. You have what it takes to be a great coach and trainer, for sure. I think all of us see that and things, and I think the first baby Step before you just switch careers, I think would be to go through the course. Because what you learn, what you're going to learn through the course, you can take that into whatever you do. And then also going through that will really give you. If you get excited going through the course, I feel like that's even more confirmation that this is where you should be. If you feel like, oh, man, I don't know how much I like this, then that's probably. Then that's your answer. So I think it's a good way to kind of like, okay, let me dip my feet in this. Start moving in this direction, because it's definitely going to help you no matter where you go.
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C
There's a couple things, too I want to touch on. One, you said community. You go into a big gym. When you walk in there, you get hired. Your goal is to be known in that gym. I want to know everyone. I want to talk with everybody. I want to be the mayor in here. And that can happen actually pretty quickly within a month if you just make sure to talk to people, introduce yourself, help people out, shake people's hands. Before you know it, you'll know a lot of regulars in there and be kind of known in there. So that is. It's a great. It's a very easy way to build community.
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B
It's one of the advantages you have being the new person coming to gym. A lot of trainers get in their own little bubble of their client book and they're in and out with their clients and they don't hang out in the gym. And the advantage a new trainer has is that opportunity to just spend the day in there saying hi to everybody, helping everybody. And to Sal's point, within a matter of 30 days, you could be the new person, but all of a sudden respected by the gym as the person that helps everybody. And so there's a huge opportunity as a new person coming in to be. To be that person.
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C
And then in your. Because of your background and you mentioned your age even in there. And I think. And so I want to address that. I don't know if this is what you meant by it, but sometimes people will be like, you know, I'm, you know, you know, 45 or I'm 60. Like. Like, is it okay to start as a trainer? Not only yes, but actually better.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Okay. The average client, personal training client is not 20. Yeah. The average personal training client is probably between the ages of 40 and 65. That's, on average, they're going to identify more with you than they will. To the 25 year old.
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B
You know, I would argue that was all of our. I would say my biggest challenge my first decade was being young, 20 something, and people looking at me like, how do you know, Wait, wait till you get 30, wait till you get 40. You know, they used to say shit like that to me all the time and I'm trying to convince them what they need to do and they're telling me like, you don't even know you're a kid still. Right. So I, I think it works to your favor. Totally have a lot of life experience and that. And that will. And you will be selling to your age and above. You're not going to be selling to
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C
a lot of people, especially to your gender. Especially, like women. Women, you know, in your age group are 100% more likely to want to hire somebody that they feel will get them. Yeah, like, that was a struggle for me as an early trainer, like the 45 year old, you know, mom or whatever. And I'm, you know, I'm 19 years old. It's like it took me a second to convince her to train with me, you know.
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B
Yeah, you'll do great, Lindsey.
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A
Yeah. Because they think that you don't get it. Right.
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C
That's right. And they were right. I didn't get it for the most part. So.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll do great.
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A
Thank you guys so much.
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C
You got it. You got it.
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A
Thanks for all you do. Really appreciate it.
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C
Thanks for calling in.
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H
Bye.
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C
Yeah, great question. I'm glad she called in because it's good for other people to hear what she has to say and it gave us an opportunity to talk about the important aspects of becoming a successful trainer. And it's good for people to hear that. I'm going to say this. I'm very clear. If you don't have the heart for training, it will be the worst job you've ever done in your life. You'll hate it. If you don't have a heart for helping people, it'll suck.
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E
It's a human service business.
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C
You will. It will. You will burn out so fast.
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E
Yeah, you need to be a fan of.
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C
You have to have that.
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B
You also will, too, if you are resistant to the sales part.
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C
Yes.
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B
If you just won't grow because. Yeah, I've had, I've had coaches that really love helping people but are so resistant to, to quote unquote, sell the sell word that they just refuse to try and get good and do those things. And if you have that attitude going into it, you'll also fail. So it's like it takes, it takes the coach who loves people or has a passion for people and then also is willing to embrace the sales side or likes the sales side to be really. And, and really that will determine formula, that, that'll determine how quickly she makes this transition, is how much she's open and willing to, to get good at the sales part because she has what it takes on the, the empathy and experience and the.
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C
She's working more challenging things.
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B
Yeah, exactly. So she's going to be good with that. It's going to be how much do you embrace this, like getting good at the sales aspect of this? And, and if she does, she'll do really well.
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D
Our next caller is Sandy from Utah.
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C
Hi Sandy.
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B
How you doing, Sandy?
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C
Hello.
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G
Hi guys.
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B
How you doing?
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C
How can we help you?
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G
Well, thanks for taking my call. I've been following Mind Pump for several years and here's my question. I'm a 73 year old retired home health and hospice nurse. I lead a pretty busy lifestyle. In a recent podcast you talked about the Goldilocks phase and I think that's where I'm at. Since 2019, I've dropped 30 pounds using a reverse diet a couple of times. I've held my current weight now for about three years. I get 10,000 steps in a day most days. I lift three times a week from my home gym with one of my sons who's a trainer using FaceTime. My diet is protein centric and I typically get 150 to 170 grams of protein a day with 60 to 80 grams of fat, 100 to 125 grams of carb. I try to stay between 1500 and 1800 calories a day. I eat mostly whole food with an occasional splurge of ice cream. I am 73. My fitness goal is to stay mobile and to have energy to keep up with the grandkids and to stay as independent as possible for as long as possible. My question is, what's a normal body fat for a 73 year old? My last depth of scan has my body fat at 31%. My biometric scale that I weigh on is consistent with that number. My muscle mass is around 120 pounds. With my 30 pound weight loss, I did lose a couple of pounds of muscle mass. My son measured me with his calipers, but the reference chart doesn't include my age group. For the most of my adult life, I was 6:1. Now I'm 5:10 and my current weight is around 175 to 180. My lab works great. My cholesterol is 152. My triglyceride HDL ratio is 1.03. I'm only on thyroid replacement medicine. I take vitamins, zinc, magnesium. I started the seed probiotic. I like it a lot. I add collagen and 10 grams of creatine to my coffee every day. I did start on hormone replacement last year. My sleep is six to seven hours a day. And with the progesterone, my deep sleep has greatly improved. I am grateful for my health. I do have a 30 year history of multiple sclerosis. But other than my downhill balance and heat intolerance, I have no other symptoms. I just need to know if my body fat percentage is something I need to address or not. And I wanted your thoughts.
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C
Yeah.
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B
No, you're kicking ass. You were kicking ass.
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C
Yeah. So the, the best. So you said you had good blood work, you're active. I'm assuming there's not many limitations if you're exercising. So you could do things like lunges and rows and crunches and stuff like that. So you've got decent amounts.
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G
I do all of that. Oh, I do all of that.
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C
Okay, good.
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G
I had a total shoulder done last year, so I don't take the bar over my head right now, but I do dumbbell all the rest. With dumbbells.
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C
Yeah. The best predictor for your health, for someone like you is strength. And a grip strength test is actually an easy way to do this. Average grip strength for a woman your age is something like 43 pounds. Yours is probably much higher. Now. That's just a proxy for overall body strength. Okay. So there's nothing special about grip strength. It's just an easy way to test and reference overall body strength, which you're kicking butt because of all the strength training that you're doing. But a grip strength measurer, a dynamometer, is really inexpensive. You can get one on Amazon. And if you just want to, just want to see for yourself, you just squeeze it with your dominant hand and see where your number is and reference it to your age. And you're probably, I would imagine, a good £15 over that because of all your strength training. You've had bone density testing done?
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G
I did. Last bone scan was a couple years ago and it was fine.
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C
Yeah, you're doing great. Body fat percentage is great. So what you don't want. Yeah. So body fat percentage, obviously, if it gets too high, starts to get associated with, with poor health outcomes. But when someone's fit at higher body fat Percentages. It's actually very different now. Your body fat percentage isn't that high. In fact, for someone your age, it's probably better to be in the high 20s, low 30s, than you to be in the low 20s.
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B
I would not want you to be below 25.
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C
No.
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B
25 to 30 is like, oh, yeah, in a great place.
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C
Yeah. You're actually gonna do better even staying around 30, 31 than you would around, like, 24.
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B
Agreed.
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C
It actually protects you if you get injured or sick and you need some of those reserves. But because you're strong and you're exercising and you're taking your steps and your lipids look good, like you're kicking butt.
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B
Yeah. The only bit of advice I have for you, aside from just keep doing what you're doing, is trying to increase calories and strength. So, you know, like, you. It sounds like you've done a few reverse diets. Like, I like doing that with you. Where we try and bump calories. 2, 300 calories. Let's really push the weights this week. Let's try and see if we can increase the weights in some of your exercises. So really try and improve the strength and keep creeping the calories up. And if we can do that while kind of maintaining your weight and body fat percentage where it's at, we're winning and you're continuing to win.
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C
Yeah.
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B
But what you're doing is phenomenal.
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C
Yeah. How long have you been training via FaceTime with your son?
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G
Oh, my goodness. Well, we moved to Utah about five years ago. It was in person at his gym in our home in Central California. So we just worked it out. Where I do FaceTime, I always tease him. I have to change my weights and do my own stuff.
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C
How long did you train in person with him for?
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G
Oh, gosh, 2009. I hired him. He's a bonus kid. I hired him because at 59, I did two marathons back to back and I trained. I just hired him to train me.
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C
Oh, wow.
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G
And so I did that with my oldest son back to back marathons.
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A
And.
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G
And I've kept. I've kept the trainer, and now he's a part of the family. He and his family.
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C
You're good. You're doing. Because I was gonna say maybe having some in person training, but you did it for a while with him in person. So now FaceTime. Yeah, it's perfectly fine. And then again, if you ever have.
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G
He does a strongman. Every year we go back for a strongman competition at his gym, and I work out with him.
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C
There.
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G
So I do about every six months or so workout.
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B
You're doing good.
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C
You're doing so good.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Do you take creatine?
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G
Thank you, I do. In fact, yesterday I was stuck in an airport for six hours on a delay. So I listened to five of your podcasts to catch up. And that new creatine company that you're touting has capsules. So I'm ordering those today and I'm going to bump it up to 20.
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C
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah. I mean, you're doing really, really well. And if you ever have a question about stuff like this, just a good reminder that I like to tell people like you who've been doing this for a while is look around and look at your peers. And you know this, I don't need to tell you this, but I'll just say this. If I put you around 50 other 73 year old women, there's a big difference between you and them with mobility, with energy, with the things that you could do. And that's a nice indicator of how well you're doing.
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G
Yeah, I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful.
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B
You're doing all the things, doing incredible, great job. Yeah.
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C
Yeah. And I wouldn't worry about you.
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G
I love the kudos.
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B
Thank you so much.
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C
Yeah, don't worry about your body fat percentage. You're in a great range.
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B
Yeah, you're a great place.
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G
All right, awesome. I'll take it from the experts.
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E
Thank you.
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C
You got it. Yeah.
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B
She was great.
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C
So, you know what's interesting about this? I don't think, I don't even know if we've really ever talked about this. So we'll say, you know, if you're fit and healthy as a woman, generally you'll see your body fat percentage be around low to mid ish 20%. But as you get older, you actually, if you're fit, right. If you're fit and strong, you're actually better with a little bit higher.
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B
Well, you, you know, you have talked about this indirectly many times. You've talked many times about studies that show you're better off having a higher body fat percentage and being strong than you are being lower body fat percentage and weak.
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C
Yeah.
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B
And so in this case, she's obviously strong. She's taking 10, 000 steps, she's weight training three days a week, very active. So she's a very active, strong 73 year old. And so I would rather her be at a higher body fat percentage and capable of all those, those feats, then go, hey, let's try and get you down to 25. Well, cut her calories, do something like that and, and inevitably energy, her strength would come down. You take somebody from 1800 calories, 1300 calories to lose body fat percentage, and she's gonna lose muscle and strength along the way.
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C
Right. And also it's not worth it. And it's really what you have to consider as you get older is resilience because what you see in the data is an older person gets sick or hurt, their health declines very rapidly. So let's say you're a 73 year old woman, you're fit, you work out, you run, you go to the gym all the time, you're at 19% body fat fat.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And then let's just say you fall, you're running and you fall, it's a total accident. You break your leg, you don't have much body fat to run off of, you're in the hospital for a while, you're actually going to do worse than if you had 30 body, 100. It's true for men as well. So a little bit higher with fitness is better.
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B
Which is why too, the only advice I have for her if she were to do anything is bump calories.
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C
Yeah, her calories are a bit low.
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B
Yeah, bump calories and try and continue to get stronger.
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C
That's right.
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B
That's the. Otherwise keep on going. Like what you're doing is great.
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D
Our next caller is Maggie from British Columbia.
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C
What's happening, Maggie?
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H
Hey, guys. Wow, thank you so much for having me. It's so lovely to meet you all.
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C
Yeah, same. How can I help you?
- [84:53]
H
Yeah, well, before I begin, I just want to say, hey, thanks guys so much for everything that you do. I'm a nurse who also works in academia and I think that preventative medicine is just so, so important. And so I just really appreciate everything that you guys do. And I love how you guys are always, always backed up by evidence and by research. So just keep doing what you're doing.
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C
Thank you.
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E
Thank you.
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H
So before I jump into my question, like so many callers previously, I'll give you a little backstory just to give you some context into my question. So I'm a 38 year old perimenopausal woman and so of course growing up in the 90s and early 2000s was in that culture of heavy cardio and low calorie intake. And that was very much drilled into my head for weight loss. And so, yes, it worked, but it didn't last a very long time. And So I found that basically throughout my life I was yo yo dieting. And so fast forward about six years ago, my body went through lots of changes when I had my daughter. About a year after that, my husband and I tried for a second child and we ended up needing to do about two years work worth of fertility treatment. Unfortunately, in about February 2024, we had our eighth and final loss and just decided to move ahead with our family of three. And with consultation from my physician, just took about a year to kind of have my body recover, try and kind of get back to normalcy. So of course went back to low calorie intake, went back to cardio, went back to eating healthy as I normally did. But of course that year came up and nothing seemed to change. I was really tired, I had a lot of abdominal fat, wasn't sleeping, just wasn't making any gains at all. I'm sure that you know where this is going. So went back to my doctor. Of course my hormones were totally all over the place. But I did go on HRT back in September 2025 and it was totally life changing. I mean, like Dr. Lauren Fitzgerald, who you guys had on, said I no longer wanted to throat punch my husband. I, you know, it turns out that I actually do really like him, additionally want to divorce him every month. So that was great. And was sleeping again was like seeing changes in my body in terms of, you know, my abdominal fat was, was getting, was. I was losing that, all of those kinds of things. And then found your podcast January of this year and started to kind of solely do weight training and the reverse dieting, which I will be honest and say that it definitely took me mentally a while to kind of, you know, put get my brain used to that and kind of what was just so deeply ingrained in me growing up. But I'm definitely seeing the process. I'm trusting the process and I'm seeing some changes. You know, I'm lifting heavier, my clothes are fitting looser. People are commenting on like my weight loss, even though I haven't actually, actually, you know, lost weight essentially. But I'm. My body composition is definitely changing.
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A
But.
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H
So here comes my question. I. I'm really proud of the progress that I've made with my body composition and I definitely want to keep going with that. But I do really miss running. I have always been a runner. Um, I did a half marathon last year. I'm hoping to do another one this June. And I do find that like, it's my happy place. It's where, you know, I'm meditating. I'm kind of connecting with the higher power that I believe in. But my question is, like, is it possible to have, you know, your number one goal as your kind of aesthetic and strength while sort of having, you know, your number two goal is training for a half marathon? And if so, how could I best do that?
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C
No, that's a good question. Seasons and now there's a lot to unpack here. So tell me about the mental health benefits you get from. Explain that to me. What are you feeling from that? Where you're getting value.
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H
So, I mean, I definitely get it from strength training, too. Like, I definitely. After I'm done my strength training, especially where I'm hitting harder and pushing more, like, I definitely kind of walk away being like, yeah, this was awesome. But it's just different with running. I do find that I get that kind of runner's high that people talk about. Again, like I said, I run outside, so just kind of connecting with the earth, you know, it is where I kind of do my meditation and, you know, I talk to spirit and stuff like that. So I definitely really enjoy that. Yeah, so I would say those were kind of. Those are kind of the two things. Again, it's not that I don't get it from strength training, but I find that I really get it more from running.
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C
Okay, I have a couple more questions. Would you say that you're kind of like a go getter, Go, go, go, mine kind of racing? You know, your mentality is like, if I want something, I'll get it. I'll work hard towards it. Is that, like, would you.
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H
Okay, yeah, totally. Which is why, like, again, the, like, increased calories and the taking breaks has been really challenging for me. I can do it, but it's definitely something that I've had to wrap my brain around for.
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A
Sure.
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C
All right, tell me if this resonates. Okay. I think the value that you're getting, the mental value that you're getting from running is that it gets you out of your head.
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H
Yeah.
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C
Yeah. Okay. So which is, by the way, not a bad value. That's a great value. The problem is with someone like you in the background that you're giving me. Running for someone like you is a very slippery slope. There's nothing wrong with running, but it very easy. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Again, this is an education.
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B
Here's a slippery slope, Sal. You love running. Instantly. You default to marathon. Yeah, I mean. I mean, we can do the run. We can do some running for meditative. We don't have to go straight on to marathon. Like, there's a, there's a, there's, there's some middle ground here, but that's, that's the slippery slope right there.
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C
That's what I mean. Yeah. Is that tendency is to turn it into something that is no longer really healthy. So what I would say to you, my advice for someone like you would be like, okay, does hiking provide that? The nature you're outside, it's way better for your body at this moment. Because at this moment, what it sounds like we've dealt with is over accumulation of overall stress. Okay.
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H
Yeah, for sure.
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C
And so we're looking at like healing the body, building muscle or the process of building muscle really works well with that. Now, that doesn't mean you can't overdo that too, because you definitely can. But if you're not getting stronger, it's an easy sign to be like, okay, I'm overdoing it. Right. So it's a nice signal. So, you know, my advice to someone like you is if, if it's, if it's really about the mental benefit and you're like, look, that's what I really want. I want that get out of my head space type of thing. I think hiking or walking with music would, would potentially provide that. And, and so I would say move towards that and then focus on the strength training and build the muscle and get the hormone. I know you're on hrt and HRT is amazing, but the one downfall of HRT is it can kind of band aid over things because no matter what, your hormones are balanced. So no matter how much you beat yourself up, my estrogen, progesterone, testosterone are at these levels. So I'll see this with men too. They'll go on TRT and they'll immediately start over training themselves because their testosterone stays high and so the signal's harder to read. So I would say focus on the strength training. Not a ton. I would have you do like two days a week, full body or maps 15, which is like a couple lifts a day. And then I'd do the hiking and then I'd focus on feeding and fueling your body. And what that's going to do is it's going to give you what you're looking for, which is that improvement in quality of life. And the side effect of which being this body composition, continuing change of body composition. Now, the challenge for you is going to be to not scale, scale, scale and push, push, push, because that's your kind of mo.
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H
Yeah.
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C
So that's going to be the challenge that you're going to have to kind of work with as you go through this process. But I'm going to tell you on the other end of this, on the other side of this, Maggie, what it's going to feel like if you're able to do this is you're going to. You're going to. More and more, you're going to have this realization that, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I'm looking the way I am, and I feel the way I am, and I feels like I'm not even trying that hard. Because the context for you is trying really hard.
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H
Totally. And. And I think that that's kind of where I got to at the end. Right. Is just being like, this isn't sustainable. This is not. I don't want to do this for the rest of my life. I've done this for 25 years. I don't want to keep doing this. What I. My goal is just to be, you know, healthy and happy, be with my body for the rest of my life. And I mean, I'm, like, so grateful. My. My body's been through a lot, and it's done a lot for me, and I just, you know, I. I want to keep it strong and. And again, sustained. So.
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B
So hold. Hold that thought right there, too. So say that. And then also, like, understand that where marathon running doesn't fit with that narrative.
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A
Okay.
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B
You know what I'm saying? Like, that, like, train. That's. And that's why when I first. When you first said, I'm like, yeah, that could be a seasonal thing or a goal that we do. Eventually do, but it doesn't fit the narrative that you just said right there. It's something that you want to maintain and do for the rest of your life. You can't be running marathons the rest of your life every single, you know, at least three to six months.
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C
At least. Right now, any competition, any physical competition is not a good idea.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Because that's just gonna. That's just gonna push your button. The one that you love to push, which. So I would just not compete. I wouldn't compete. Like, if you really like running that much. And it's like, look, I don't get this from hiking. There's nothing wrong with, like. Like cruising a mile a day.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You just go outside and do a mile run, and you do it at this nice pace, and you just get out of your head rather than like, I gotta push this run.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Type of deal. And Then you strength train and you continue to fuel and feed your body and watch what happens.
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E
Or restorative mobility and like, you know, some kind of yoga practice. Something where it's like, you know, you're directed to move, but maybe it gets you out of your head a bit.
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C
Totally. And I'll tell you what, by the way, you're. You're. I mean, you know, nursing. Nurse. Your nurse, right? Nurse practitioner.
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H
Yeah. Plus, I could be registered nurse, but I also teach at the university.
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C
Yeah. Dude, you're like, so, like, this is like an avatar. I've worked with a lot of women like you, and you're just like my wife when the you know what hits the fan. Like, I want Maggie, but the you know what is not hitting the fan all the time. Yeah. So we have to figure out how to. How to do things in a way that aren't just breaking you down.
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B
You live in such a great place, too. British Columbia is beautiful. And there's.
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H
Yeah.
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B
I mean, it's such a great place to be outside and hike. And so I love that. As a goal for you. Have you ever go take long hikes?
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C
Have you ever considered working with a coach to have someone kind of guide you through this?
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H
Yes, I have. I've chatted with a woman locally and she actually works with a team. I haven't pulled the plug on it yet, but it's something I kind of have been thinking about. Yeah.
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C
Okay. So we have coaches, and if working virtually with a coach is something that you might be interested in, I can have someone call you, tell you, I know our coaches are good and I know they'll coach you properly. A good coach is so valuable. Bad ones are terrible. But a good coach is really, really valuable. And so I could have someone call you and you can kind of talk about it and see what that would look like for someone like you, because. Okay, good. Because I think you would thrive with guidance.
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B
Yes.
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C
I think with guidance, you would really crush.
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B
Yeah.
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E
Somebody in your.
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H
Yeah.
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E
Would be good.
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C
Yeah.
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H
Awesome. Okay. Yeah, I would love that. Thank you so much.
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F
All right.
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C
Perfect.
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B
All right, man.
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C
Perfect. We'll have someone reach out to you. Thank you.
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B
But doing great.
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H
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
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C
You got it. Yeah. That's such an avatar. Oh, yeah.
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B
I mean, you did so great of, like, asking her, you know, what are the reasons for all this stuff like that. Knowing. Knowing where she's going to go, and it's like. Yeah. I mean, she. She goes from the. I want it for the meditative reasons to, like, marathon well, let's.
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C
Let's hold on here. We could get to the throat punch.
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B
Yeah, I was gonna say we could. We could. We could do a nice jog outside or a hike outside and get a lot of those benefits. We don't have to go straight to a marathon.
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C
You know what the problem is, too, for. For people like Maggie, and this is true for men, too, is she's 38 now, right. Her. Her methods worked really well for a while.
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B
Yeah.
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C
For a while she was like, grind,
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E
go, crush, push through and get there.
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C
And then it just adds up. It adds up. And then after years, suddenly you're like, this isn't working. I feel terrible.
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B
Okay, so let me. Let me add to that, too. That's so for the listener. And also Maggie, who might listen to this, the worst thing that could happen is that she does the marathon and sees some sort of positive change. Physically. That is the worst thing that can happen. She signs up for her marathon that she's told herself, I do this for meditative reasons. Oh, and I got leaner.
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C
Just reinforces.
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B
Yeah, oh, I got a little leaner or I look a little bit better than what I did commenting and. Oh, yeah. And then now all of a sudden, it becomes that.
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C
But the truth is, I wouldn't have happen. She would do the marathon and her body would start.
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B
Push back. Yeah, yeah. Most likely speak to it. But that, that. And so that's probably what would happen though, at, you know, 28 and 32, is that she would do something like that and then it would reinforce this. I love this thing. I love this. You know, because it also gave a little bit of that. And so. Yeah, no, the worst case, that. And again, that's why I say that, because maybe there's somebody who's in their early 30s that's listening to this and this is their method.
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C
I know little signals.
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B
By the way, one of my closest friends. Wives is a nurse. Her method to getting in shape has always been the marathon run stuff like. And now where she's approaching 40 and it's such a different battle right now, you know, but that was how she'd get in shape is, oh, I just sign up for my marriage.
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C
And by the way, if you're in your 20s and you're like, oh, cool, I can do that and get in shape, there's still a better, faster way.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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C
It's in spite of the crappy way you're approaching, is your body's getting shaped, but there's a much faster way to do it.
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D
Our next caller Is Nikki from Ontario.
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C
Hey, Nikki, how you doing? Good to see you again, man.
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B
Hey.
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E
Gotcha.
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C
Hopefully. Hopefully this time we don't lose connection.
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G
Yeah.
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F
Yes. Yes.
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C
All right, let's go. What's going on, man? Let's start over. So tell us what's going on.
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F
Should I start over? Like, yeah. Okay. I'm gonna go short because I really, like, I need you guys to just talk. I need to hear you guys.
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E
Okay.
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F
So history of. It's hard because I was a. The only guy in an in treatment program for anorexia for in the early 2000s. Stayed there about three years outpatient. Growing up, I was really big. I know you guys hear that all the time, but it was true. I was a chubby Italian guy. My mom fed me everything. And then. So I started doing training. I think I was doing it all wrong. I fell into the beachbody programs. And then I was. Now, the last few years, I was following other people. You know, the whole RP scandal and everything like that. So I. I was looking for someone to trust. I stumbled onto you guys, and it was honestly, like, I know you guys hear it all the time, but you guys are amazing. Like, honestly, like, you guys are so good.
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C
Like, thanks, man.
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F
All three of you. For you, actually with Doug. I love how you roast them both. Google
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E
can't help it.
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C
Thanks, Nikki.
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F
So here I work as a tech. I'm Work at BMW. So I'm on my feet. I'm. I. My libido is crazy down. Like, I feel like garbage. I, like, I'm. I'm not trying to lose weight, but I, like, I was trying keto, and then now trying to get carbs back. Like, I listen to you guys, and you guys are talking about whole foods and even from, like, potatoes and rice and. And I'm like, I don't know. I just want to hear you say it. Like, that it actually works. And also with training, like, I was doing every day, and I'm at the gym, and I'm not getting stronger. I know that. But I'm watching other people do it. And you guys are preaching the three days a week, four days a week. Like, I looked at anabolic because I was like, hey, that looks pretty good. I need an actual structured program. And what do you. I know in the office. What do I do in the three other days? I know you have the functional one, but is it also. Can I really just take a day off to do nothing? Like, I have a kid. I'm about. I think I'm. I weighed myself, so I'm165.5 5. I try to. I try not to track my macros. I mean, except protein. But I'm pretty low. And it's. It's just. Just. It's just hard. It's hard. I know you guys tell all the time. You guys hear all the calls because they listen to you guys so much about, like, people trying to get their stuff in and they can't, and you just got to do it. And, like, I just need to hear you say that, really. Like, honestly, like, the. Like an anabolic or thing actually works. Like, it changes people. It. You reduce the volume, it goes up. Because I go to the gym, I see these guys, and they're there all the time. And, like, why are they. Why are they so successful? Why am I not successful when they're there every day pumping and doing whatever they're doing?
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C
I hear you, Nikki.
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F
I hear you yell at me.
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C
No, no, no, no, no. Listen. I think you beat yourself up enough.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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C
Let me ask you a question. You're at. You're saying, I want to know if it works. Define that. What do you mean? What would be works? What would be successful for you?
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F
Okay, so I wrote some notes down, like, you guys pretty much reached the reverse diet. When I say preach, I don't mean in a bad way. You guys talk about the reverse diet, and then. And then you say you. You just stop.
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B
You.
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F
You figure out when to stop. Like, if I. I would. You guys referred me to a coach, but I just can't afford it. Like, I was speaking to Rob, and it's just. I'm sorry. Like, I appreciate it, but it was just. It was out of my. My range. I got you, especially right now.
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C
No, I understand.
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F
So how do you know when to stop? And, like, working in the sense that you feel good and you're. You're getting stronger and you're. But obviously you're not getting fatter. Okay, I understand you're saying you're gonna get a little bit, but I'm not talking about, like, bloat, not blow, but, like, you know, like, I want to maintain. I don't know, like a. I guess 34, 33. You know what I mean? Like, I don't wanna. But I wanna feel better.
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C
You okay? So what works to define works for you is feel better, I guess.
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F
Yeah. Like, I want my libido back. I want my testosterone back. Like, I want. I want. I want to have a kid. We're trying, and I can't.
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C
Okay. Would you say that that means being Healthy. Improve your health. Okay. Okay. So let's start here. Do you think you're somebody that is worthy of being taken care
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B
of?
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F
I asked myself a lot.
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C
Well, you got to have the answer, Nikki.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You got to say yes.
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E
Has to be a hell yes.
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C
You got to say yes.
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F
Yes.
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C
Okay. Okay. That's a good place to start. You definitely need to outsource all this control, dude, because I'm telling you, I can tell right now if I tell you whatever I tell you to do, you're going to turn it into a control thing. And. Yeah, and so I think you need to outsource it to a coach. I know you talked to one of our coaches. We are pricey because we're good. I'm going to give you some free coaching. I'm going to give you a few months with one of our coaches because I think you need to outsource this and work with somebody and have somebody work with you through this process. And what I mean by that, Nikki, is this is all you got to do. All you got to do is say to yourself, I'm worthy of someone. I am worth taking care of. I got a kid. I got a wife. I am valuable. I'm worth taking care of. So I'm just going to listen to what this coach is saying. Even though it doesn't feel right, even though maybe they're telling me to eat too much food because it feels like that to me. Even though they're telling me to work out two days a week and I want to go work out every single day, I know I don't take care of myself very well. I know my history. I can't trust myself. I got to trust somebody else. So I'm just going to follow what they say. And I think a few months of that should give you a better perspective on what this kind of looks like. Is that all right? Okay. And then all the questions you have, they'll answer, but they're going to walk you through the steps because, yes, reverse diet's probably what you're going to have to do. Definitely. You'll get better results. Strength training less than every single day for sure. But we got to get you in a different space around this.
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B
You need more than just the blueprint.
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C
That's right.
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B
You need more than. We could sit here and lay out the blueprint of what it is, but you need more than that, Nikki. And we knew that the first time that we talked to you, and that hasn't changed. And it's literally what you need to do right now, with a place that you're at, if you want to be successful at this, you have to outsource
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C
and pay attention to your energy, libido, and strength. Don't look at the mirror. Don't look at the scale. Don't worry about your. If you think things are fitting tighter or looser, focus on those other things. And then you'll start to define your success by your actual health, not by the things that maybe you defined it by before, which you know can lead us towards a dark. A dark path. Does that make sense?
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F
It does. Now, if I could just ask a question about that.
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C
Yes.
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F
Like, so you're okay if I don't look at the mirror, which I'm trying not to now because I am trying to kind of eat more. How do you. How are you guys as coaches? Strength kind of stop me.
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B
Strength.
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C
No, no.
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B
Strength, we're watching. Strength we don't need.
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C
Listen, you're not gonna. Nikki, you're not gonna. You're not gonna gain 100 pounds of body.
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B
Yeah. They're not gonna put you. They're not gonna put you on a.500 to a thousand calories more every single day. It's gonna be small incremental bumps that. We know the mat. We know the science of that.
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C
Yeah.
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B
You could over. You could overeat 250 calories a day every single day for the next month, and you won't put on a pound of. To two pounds of body fat.
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C
How long you listen. How long you been listening to Mind Po Pump?
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F
It's about maybe five months now.
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C
Five months. Okay.
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E
Yeah.
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C
Be honest with me.
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E
Do you trust.
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F
But you're like. It's about like two episodes a day, so.
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C
Okay. Do you trust us?
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F
Pretty much.
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C
You trust us?
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F
You have no idea how much I love you guys. Like, oh, my God.
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C
Okay, listen, you're gonna just have to trust your coach.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Trust us that we hire coaches who are good and that we watch them and that we know what they're doing. Trust that. Because that's the only thing that's going to carry you through the first month or two. Because the first month or two, you're going to. You're going to be telling yourself this, I got to do this. I don't know. What if I get too much fat? What if I. This. Just trust, trust, trust. Now, now there'll be a point where you're not going to have. I'm not going to have to ask you that anymore, because then you'll start to see, oh, my gosh, this is Working. But in the beginning, you're just going to have to trust our coach.
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E
Yep. It's going to be tough.
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B
And you got to give it a little bit of time because you've. You've beat yourself up pretty bad for a while. And so the body doesn't just. All of a sudden, you know, week one, we do this. All of a sudden, you're, oh, my God, this is amazing. I see everything already. It's like, trust the process. Trust the process. But on the other. And it's going to be hard, but on the other side of that, Nikki. Oh, my God. It's so freeing. And you're gonna feel amazing.
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C
We're gonna fix this, dude.
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B
We're in your corner, man. Libido's gonna be up.
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F
Yeah, you talked about that. And I'm like, I want to be that guy. Like, I want to experience that. I want to eat it. I want to call, you know, I want to be that guy that calls back and be like, you know, it worked.
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B
And you will be that guy. But the thing that Sal asked you is so important. You have to believe you deserve it first.
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C
Yeah.
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B
You have to believe you deserve it first. And then when you believe that and then you outsource it, you trust me, which we're going to take care of for you. You literally just got to follow the steps and do and stick to it, and then you will be that guy.
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C
We're going to have a coach call you. You get three months for free with a mind pump. Coach. And then I'm going to have you back on the phone here.
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B
That's right.
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C
And we'll talk to you again in three months.
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E
Follow up.
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F
Can I just have one nutrition question?
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C
Yeah. Talk about
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F
whole foods. Like. Like, carbs. Now, is oats in that category? Like, let's say if you want to make, like, a protein cold oats in the morning. You know what I mean?
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B
Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
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F
I hear you guys talk about potatoes and rice a lot, but what about.
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C
Oats are fine.
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E
Yeah, oats are fine just because they're easily digestible.
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C
Yeah, some people have issues digesting oats, but usually they're pretty good.
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F
Okay.
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C
Yeah, yeah, you're good, dude. You're good, bro. This can be good. I'm gonna see you in 90 days, Nikki.
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B
We'll take care of the rest.
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C
Okay. And 90 day. And listen, in between the 90 days, if you want to see me, tell your coach I want to get Sal on here with me for one session, and I'll pop in.
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F
Thank you.
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C
All right.
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B
All right, Nikki, we'll see you. We'll see you.
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C
We'll see you soon.
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F
All right, take care.
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C
Take it easy, buddy.
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F
All the best.
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C
Yeah. You could just hear the. Oh, yeah, the. The desperation.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Fear. Yeah. And.
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B
Well, that's why we sent it.
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C
And look, coaching is a big investment. It's worth it. But it is a big investment. But I want to see this guy do well. And I think he will. I don't think it'll happen without a coach, though.
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B
No, no, it won't. Are you kidding me? I mean, hesitated to say that. He believes he deserves it.
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C
Yeah, I know.
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B
If you don't believe he deserves, there's no way you're doing it by yourself. I mean, it's still going to be challenging with a coach if you.
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C
It's going to be hard as heck with a coach.
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B
Yeah. If you have.
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C
Impossible without one.
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B
Yeah, exactly. If you have that mindset already where you're unsure if you even deserved to be taken care of, the thought that you are going to do that on your own is crazy. And just having a coach is going to be hard. It's going to be difficult. And so hopefully he trusts the coach. Hopefully that we got the best coaches. Yeah. No, I feel confident if he sticks with it. If he sticks with it, he's going to be okay.
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F
Okay.
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C
And he.
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B
I watch the difference of the sound in his voice in three months.
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C
Oh, yeah.
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B
I'll know as soon as he gets on. I'll know as soon as he gets on.
- [111:14]
C
Yep.
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B
I. I don't have to see him. I don't even know the metric. I'll know by his voice when he gets on.
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C
That's right. That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.
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D
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