2864: America's Most Jacked Cities, Parasite Cleanses, Coaching Callers on Building Muscle, Bone Density & Fat Loss

Summary

Mind Pump Ep. 2864: America's Most Jacked Cities, Parasite Cleanses, Coaching Callers on Building Muscle, Bone Density & Fat Loss

Release Date: May 23, 2026
Hosts: Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, Justin Andrews, Doug Egge

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Overview

This episode dives into a range of engaging topics, blending current fitness culture and science-backed advice with group banter and on-air coaching. The crew analyzes America’s “most jacked” cities, debunks the realities of parasite cleanses, and offers in-depth coaching to callers with real-life fitness and health challenges—from dramatic fat loss, to reversing osteoporosis, to pursuing gains in midlife and beyond.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Ranking America’s “Most Jacked” Cities (03:34–20:00)

• How the Rankings Work (04:07)
  The crew explains that the top “jacked” cities list wasn’t based on muscle mass or strength testing, but rather:

  • The concentration of strength-training gyms per capita.
  • Average protein consumption (including meat intake).

• Critical Reflection on Methodology (04:31–05:40)

  • Adam notes that gyms are private businesses and only survive if people show up. “Gyms don’t have huge margins… if a place survives with a lot of gyms, that means a lot of people go” (05:31, Adam).
  • The hosts agree that cities’ culture and priorities are often reflected in gym density.

• The Vegan Effect: Why LA and the Bay Area Lag (08:04–09:19)

  • Despite many gyms, cities like LA and San Francisco rank low (LA: 48/50, SF: 28/50) because of lower average protein intake—possibly due to their high vegan populations.
  • “You can have all the gyms in the world, you don’t eat enough protein, not going to build a lot of muscle,” (09:45, Adam).

• Top 10 Most Jacked Cities:

  1. Las Vegas, NV (“incredible steakhouses…craziest gyms for ‘jacked’ people,” Justin, 11:32–11:48)
  2. Tucson, AZ
  3. Denver, CO
  4. Miami, FL (Miami Beach noted for “everyone looks like a model,” Justin, 17:35; Kyle, 17:55)
  5. Albuquerque, NM
  6. Sacramento, CA
  7. Mesa, AZ
  8. Washington, D.C.
  9. Tampa, FL
  10. El Paso, TX

• Memorable Quote:
  “Vegas is… probably one of the craziest places when you walk in, as far as like, jacked fit people. It’s obvious; it’s a scene.” (11:49, Adam)

• On Gym Concentration:
  Miami leads with 103 strength training gyms per 100,000 residents—a massive gap over other cities. “That’s a big discrepancy,” (15:21, Justin).

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2. Parasite Cleanses: Snake Oil or Science? (21:08–30:13)

• What Are Parasite Cleanses?

  • The team discusses the Organifi Parasite Cleanse Kit (“all natural ingredients…88–97% efficacy in some cases,” Justin, 21:45–22:14)
  • Typical ingredients: mimosa seed, pumpkin seed, Ceylon cinnamon, papain powder. The kit also includes gut-healing compounds to manage “parasite die off” effects.

• Do Average Americans Need This?

  • Justin explains it’s a myth that only people in “third world” settings get parasites; over many years, exposure is possible, especially if you’ve never done a cleanse.
  • High risk: people who eat uncooked foods (sushi, salads, etc.) and young children (e.g., pinworm rates in daycares).

• Possible Signs of Parasites:

  • Obvious: Sudden severe GI issues.
  • Subtle: “Low energy, skin issues, hormone issues, teeth grinding, food intolerances…” (24:30, Justin).

• Personal Case Study:
  Justin shares his decades-long gut health struggle that resolved after a parasite cleanse, finally enabling him to eat more and gain muscle (“I gained 10 pounds of muscle because now I could eat,” 28:50).

• Advice for Couples:
  “If you do [a cleanse], give it to your spouse also… you can just pass [parasites] back and forth,” (29:38, Justin).

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3. Biological Age, Multivitamins, and Practical Supplementation (56:00–59:44)

• Why Take a Multivitamin?

  • Sal and Adam highlight research that regular multivitamin users have lower biological ages, possibly due to covering common micronutrient deficiencies.
  • “It’s an inexpensive supplement I think everybody should take… Seed does such a good job with how they deliver nutrients,” (57:37, Justin).

• Common Questions:

  • Why do some get nauseous taking multis on an empty stomach? (Iron, zinc, B-vitamins were discussed as likely culprits)
  • It's generally better to take multis with food, especially for absorption of fat-soluble vitamins.

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4. Human Psychology, Insecurity & Fitness Tech (30:15–43:58)

• AI & Facial Symmetry Apps (30:15–34:59):

  • The team plays with an “attractiveness” AI, recalling stories of tech developed for plastic surgeons and its viral use among young people.
  • “If you wanna make a quick buck, feed into human brokenness or insecurity… Easy money.” (35:12, Justin)

• Brand Vulnerability & Authenticity (35:36–43:58):

  • Brought up the Tony Robbins-Alex Hormozi interview and its takedown. Discussion centered on authenticity, the dangers of building a brand around invulnerability, and society's obsession with public missteps.
  • “The irony is being vulnerable will get you more influence if you lead with it.” (41:08, Justin)

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5. Rapid-Fire Fun: Dreams, Foreign Accent Syndrome & UFO Talk (49:06–61:18)

• The “Seven Years in a Three-Month Coma” Story (49:54–52:21):

  • The group is awestruck (and a bit freaked out) by a news item about a woman who lived an entire alternate life—including childbirth—while comatose.
  • “She woke up with grief because she had these kids she loved…who didn’t exist,” (50:35, Justin).

• Lucid Dreaming and Brain Oddities:

  • Sal and Adam recount learning to lucid dream as kids.
  • Brief, fascinating tangent on “foreign accent syndrome” after head trauma (54:00–55:55).

• UFO & Disclosure Banter (59:20–61:18):

  • Japan is releasing new UFO footage, and there’s discussion of the “aliens are demons” take from a noted exorcist-priest.

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Coaching Callers: Live Problem-Solving & Personalized Fitness Advice

Nathan, 22, SC: Major Fat Loss, Now Building Muscle (62:11–71:56)

• Background:
  • Lost 100+ lbs, quit daily drinking, used “75 Hard,” now at 195 lbs, lifting 3–4x/week, eating 3,000 calories.
• Key Insights:
  • The team praises his disciplined turnaround.
  • Adam: “At 3,000 calories holding your weight, that's—you're in a good place, dude.” (69:09)
• Next Steps:
  • Reverse diet further to 3,500 calories.
  • Begin MAPS Powerlift program, focus on strength.
  • Inspired to become a trainer; advised to get mentored/coached to sustain results.

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Cindy, 61, CT: Osteoporosis, Breast Cancer Recovery, Muscle Building (72:27–93:06)

• Background:

  • Nurse practitioner, major weight loss using tirzepatide, breast cancer with double mastectomy, now weightlifting for bone density.

• Progress:

  • Squat up from 55 to 110 lbs, deadlift from 75 to 115 lbs.
  • Gained 12 lbs with significant muscle gain according to DEXA.
  • Eating 1,900 calories, worried about recent fat gain.

• Key Advice:

  • Don’t Focus on the Scale: “You gotta make a choice—bone strength, longevity, or the scale? What’s more important?” (77:36, Justin)
  • Bump calories by at least 200, prioritize strength gains over scale weight.
  • Once-a-week personal training (ideally with correctional experience) is best.
  • Virtual coaching options (Mind Pump’s “Muscle Mommy Movement” group for women) are credible alternatives.

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Rodney, 49, WI: High Activity, Wants Fat Loss but Struggles on Cuts (94:18–103:18)

• Background:

  • Works an active job, coaches sports, high NEAT.
  • Maintains 3,200 kcal/day, tried cutting to 2,500 but strength, mood, & gym performance dropped rapidly.

• Advice:

  • No Cuts Needed: “You could stay at about 3,200 and just kind of do this nice, you know, recomp… definitely don’t do a cut,” (97:58, Justin).
  • Optionally experiment with bumping to 3,400/day; only cut after building metabolism.
  • Biggest lever is improving sleep consistency.

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Robin, 60, MD: Menopause, Inconsistency, Burnout (104:17–119:53)

• Background:

  • Real estate agent, primary caregiver for elderly mother.
  • Eats ~1,700 kcal (sometimes less), struggles with aesthetics after menopause.

• Coaching Insights:

  • “You’re eating just enough to stay where you’re at, and what that’s going to feel like is burnout and fatigue because your body…it’s just not enough.” (109:21, Justin)
  • Reverse diet upwards by 100–200 calories at a time, target at least 2,300–2,400+, possibly higher.
  • “You gotta let someone take care of you a little bit”—strongly advised to get hands-on coaching for accountability and support.
  • A reminder: “When you do it right, you build into the body you want, which means the scale may move up a little bit but then the metabolic rate kicks in and then the fat loss starts,” (109:17, Justin).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Vegas is probably one of the craziest [city gym] scenes—as far as like, jacked, fit people.” — Adam (11:49)
• “You want to make a quick buck? Feed into human brokenness or insecurity. Easy money.” — Justin (35:12)
• “The irony is, being vulnerable will get you more influence if you lead with it.” — Justin (41:08)
• On parasite cleanses: “Once you get a parasite, it ain’t gonna go anywhere. They evolve to live in your body.” — Justin (24:13)
• “[For women post-menopause] You’re eating just enough to stay where you’re at. And what that’s going to feel like is burnout and fatigue.” — Justin (109:17)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:34] — Breaking down America’s “most jacked” cities
• [11:12] — Deep-dive: LV, Miami, “scene” cities, protein, and gym culture
• [21:08] — Parasite cleanses: myths, evidence, real experiences
• [30:15] — Attractiveness AI and the business of insecurity
• [35:12] — Vulnerability, authenticity, and the Hormozi-Robbins interview
• [49:54] — Woman lives “7 years in a 3-month coma” story
• [56:00] — Multivitamins, biological age, and practical supplementation
• [62:11] — Coaching Call: Nathan, young man’s remarkable fat loss/muscle gain journey
• [72:27] — Coaching Call: Cindy, building bone density after cancer and osteoporosis
• [94:18] — Coaching Call: Rodney, high NEAT, struggles with fat loss and cuts
• [104:17] — Coaching Call: Robin, menopause, fatigue, aesthetic block, need for support

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Takeaways

• Cities with more gyms don't always have the most muscular people—protein matters just as much.
• Parasites are more common than people think; a cleanse may help GI, immune, or unexplained symptoms.
• “Reverse dieting”—gradually increasing calories—is often the only way to break through frustrating weight plateaus, prevent burnout, and build strength, especially for women and those post-big weight loss.
• Genuine vulnerability and seeking help (via coaching or community) are invaluable—especially for achievers or caretakers at life’s pivot points.

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Transcript

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[Justin Andrews]

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[Adam Schafer]

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[Justin Andrews]

All right, they did a really cool study. They actually ranked cities in America and found the top most jacked cities. Where does your city rank? We're gonna break it down right now and talk about which cities are at the top. Let's go.

[Adam Schafer]

So I'm curious to how closely aligned this is to the longevity ones, since we know how protective muscle is and the benefits of that. It's very pro longevity. So is it almost identical as the longevity ones or is it not?

[Justin Andrews]

See, here's the deal. You got to ask yourself, how do they rank the most jack cities? Is this study going around big cities and testing people's like, muscle mass and strength, probably body fat percentage or body fat percentage. And the answer is no. No. How do you do that? Where are they going to do that?

[Kyle]

Seems impossible.

[Justin Andrews]

That would be very expensive.

[Adam Schafer]

So how are they doing it? Like, based off of gym memberships or something?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, amount of gyms, amount of Arizona's.

[Adam Schafer]

I told you.

[Justin Andrews]

Hold on. Okay, just relax. Calm down. They go around and what they're looking at with the data is two things. Two factors based off of this one, like observational study. It was gyms. So strength training gyms or concentration of strength training gyms. And then they also looked at protein consumption. They looked at protein consumption, high protein meals, and how much people eat meat and that kind of stuff. Okay. And so they combine the two and came up with their list of the most Jack cities. Now I just, I want to be clear, both of those are probably not going to give you what we would define as most Jack city, which would be, you know, muscle mass, strength. Yeah, maybe body fat percentage. But I do like this list because I think especially gym concentration. I think it's interesting, right? It is interesting because it does say something about the culture of a city because gyms are, it's a priority.

[Kyle]

So. Yeah, that would make sense.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, they're private companies.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. They wouldn't last if people weren't going.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right. Like gyms don't have huge margins for. People aren't familiar. They're not like big money making companies. They can make a lot of money. But it's not like if you were to rank like gyms in terms of profitability and compared to other types of businesses, they're not.

[Adam Schafer]

It's also not near the top. It's not like a grocery store or gas station that we have to go to. So just because of pure population it's going to have so many. It's like people choose to go to the gym and they're not very profitable. So for a place to serve, a lot of gyms are surviving. That means a lot of people are probably going 100%.

[Justin Andrews]

It's reflecting a high demand. Yeah, you got a lot of gyms in a city in comparison to other cities, what you see is a high demand for gyms. A lot of people pay the membership to go work out.

[Kyle]

I'd be curious too to see how some cities have shifted maybe like and added a lot more gyms over the years versus, you know, good.

[Justin Andrews]

I wish I could.

[Kyle]

That'd be an interesting thing.

[Justin Andrews]

But yeah, yeah, like how, how much has it shifted over the last 50 years or something based on demand. That's a really good. So I'm sad to say that where we live is. Didn't make, didn't make that list. Although one city relatively close by does. And the reason why I'm sad to say that is we were brought up in the fitness industry in the Bay Area. We all started in the San Jose area and this was for me in the late 90s. I think you guys in the early 2000s and the gyms that we were a part of in the Bay Area were some of the highest producing gyms in the country by far. Like they set the standard for big box gyms back then. Right now it's probably different but back then that's where just kind of like this was like the epicenter for profitable big box gyms. So I'm a little sad to see that our cities didn't make it. Although I know we have a lot of gyms. You know, it was pretty high for the Bay Area.

[Kyle]

I mean, centralized. Here in San Jose, I would imagine we did pretty well versus, you know.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. Especially since this is cities, not states. Because I can see why our state wouldn't be up there because the. We're a big state and there's a lot of area. Rural areas. Areas.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

You know, spread out.

[Adam Schafer]

But our city. Our city didn't even make it.

[Justin Andrews]

Huh?

[Adam Schafer]

The Bay Area didn't even make it.

[Justin Andrews]

No. Because again, they're combining, you know, they're combining gyms and protein intake. So I wonder if the protein takes this low.

[Kyle]

So random.

[Justin Andrews]

We might have a lot.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, we probably. I tell you what, we probably have one of the highest concentrates of vegan maybe, huh?

[Justin Andrews]

For sure.

[Adam Schafer]

That's what's bringing us here in New York.

[Justin Andrews]

Would be.

[Adam Schafer]

Wouldn't you think? Are probably two of the highest. I mean.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, you know what? I bet you're right. You know why? Because la. Here's the deal.

[Kyle]

Oh yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I know.

[Adam Schafer]

For LA and San Francisco have to be the highest. Highest vegan.

[Justin Andrews]

I know for a fact. That's got to have to throw it off because For a fact, LA has a lot of gems. LA's got tons of gems.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

But they don't eat a lot of protein because you probably have a lot. A lot of vegans. Doug.

[Adam Schafer]

Look it up. Where's the highest concentration of vegans live?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I bet you California is up there.

[Justin Andrews]

You know what's funny about that? I know LA has a ton of gyms, But LA ranked 48 out of 50 for most muscular. So it's got to be the protein intake that just destroyed them. Yeah. Because you a lot of low protein eaters.

[Kyle]

Oh, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Area. It's.

[Kyle]

It's definite trend down there.

[Justin Andrews]

San Jose was 42. Wow. So. And I know we have a lot of gems. We do. San Jose's got a ton of gems. So it's got to be the protein that threw them off. For sure. Is what I would say.

[Adam Schafer]

San Francisco has a ton of gyms too.

[Justin Andrews]

It does. San Francisco is 28. So, you know. God, she's slipping you guys. Yeah. What are you guys doing? Dude, protein.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, give us the top. Okay. Where's the highest concentration of vegans?

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, well, you get in the world.

[Sal DeStefano]

Oh, well, no, I mean.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Why don't you do us?

[Sal DeStefano]

New York, New York, Los Angeles.

[Adam Schafer]

Right there. There you go.

[Justin Andrews]

Wow. Portland, Oregon, you know.

[Kyle]

Oh, really?

[Justin Andrews]

You know, I've been to those. London, surprisingly, is. Without knowing there's a lot of vegans. Just by walking around, I would have guessed you guys ever been to Portland, Oregon.

[Adam Schafer]

We definitely have a lot of listeners from Portland.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen, I'm not saying anything like, I'm not trying to say anything negative. I could just, you just tell, you know what I mean? You just tell. When you see, like you don't eat

[Adam Schafer]

a lot of protein.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Like.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, well that's a little bit. Well, that has to be. So that has to be. If this, you. If they used high protein gyms and whatever the metric was, that has to be what's bringing.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, if it was just gym concentration,

[Adam Schafer]

LA and San Francisco would be up high.

[Justin Andrews]

It would have to be. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

But also highlights the importance of high protein. You can have all the gyms in the world.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You don't need enough protein.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Not going to build a lot of muscle gains. All right, so go this way, Sal. Since now we, we've, we've. Give me the list off the top 10.

[Kyle]

Yeah, just list them all.

[Adam Schafer]

Top 10. And then we'll talk about.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, so number one, when you combine both metrics, protein intake and gym concentration. By the way, I'm going to say one more thing about this that I don't, I don't know if protein intake is the best metric because you may look, you may look at places that just overeat, which might be. Anyway.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Let's be honest though, in your experience, most people who, who overeat, it's carbohydrates. It's carbohydrates and saturated fat.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It's not normally protein.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it's a good question. I wonder if it's protein as a percentage of calories or if they're just looking at.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, even if it wasn't a percentage people that overeat, even my, my biggest overeaters.

[Kyle]

Be hard to see.

[Adam Schafer]

I would, I would, I would.

[Justin Andrews]

I wonder if in the south because they eat so much barbecue, if that would make it go high.

[Adam Schafer]

They also deep fry Twinkies.

[Justin Andrews]

That's what I'm saying. I've had one of those.

[Adam Schafer]

I've never tried one.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you really have one?

[Kyle]

I just called Chicago. Yeah, you could like fry. You bring stuff. You could fry it all. It was good.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

They do that a lot of those state fairs.

[Justin Andrews]

I think I'm getting diabetes.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, it sounds gross, but I also know that nothing deep fried tastes.

[Kyle]

Don't knock it till you try.

[Justin Andrews]

There is nothing that's gross. That's deep fried. I know. Everything's delicious. So it's just like take the grossest vegetable, deep fried. Delicious.

[Kyle]

Exactly.

[Justin Andrews]

Good point. All right.

[Kyle]

Exactly.

[Justin Andrews]

Number one. And this makes sense. Las Vegas. Oh, Las Vegas, Nevada.

[Adam Schafer]

Now that does make a lot of sense.

[Justin Andrews]

It does. And they do have a lot of gyms.

[Kyle]

I feel like Miami too. I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

That's.

[Justin Andrews]

That's number four. Good job. Yes, that is number four. So yeah, you have like population where

[Kyle]

they all have to show muscle.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So.

[Justin Andrews]

So let's talk about Vegas for a second. Vegas has incredible steakhouses. Some of the best I've ever been to.

[Kyle]

Yeah, we're in some of the best food. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, just super good. And then their gyms are incredible.

[Adam Schafer]

Vegas is also. I would say we've all been to a lot of gyms all over the country. Probably one of the craziest. When you walk in as far as like jacked fit people, I mean, it's obvious.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It's not like a.

[Justin Andrews]

It's a scene.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it's a very much so a scene. It's like crazy. So what was that one?

[Justin Andrews]

Did we go to a gym?

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, so there's a.

[Adam Schafer]

There's a famous gym in Vegas that were all the influencers.

[Justin Andrews]

So my brother in law and sister in law.

[Adam Schafer]

Can't think of the name of it

[Justin Andrews]

took my wife and I there years ago. We walked in and it was like, oh my, where am I?

[Adam Schafer]

It has like the 80s colored lights.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. And they had the. They had the, like the grass, but there was like a slope so you could run uphill and drag things. And it's like crazy weights and.

[Kyle]

Well, that was in Reno. That one that you're talking about.

[Justin Andrews]

Was that Reno?

[Kyle]

Yeah, that's the one.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, okay.

[Adam Schafer]

One.

[Justin Andrews]

That was one of the best.

[Adam Schafer]

We all went to one together. I'm pretty sure it was all of us together in Vegas. And it has like had like neon colored lights.

[Justin Andrews]

Give me the names, Doug.

[Sal DeStefano]

Powerhouse Gym, Las Vegas.

[Justin Andrews]

No, the Strip Barbell. No, Dragon. I don't. I know exactly what you're talking. I remember it. Yeah, it was.

[Adam Schafer]

Remember we were talking about how crazy all the influencer all if this was. But this was early on Mind Pump. And the amount of people we saw with phone, like this was before. It was like we had seen people with phones. It was the first time I'd seen all kinds of people recording themselves, working out.

[Justin Andrews]

I had seen that Doug just put Best influencer.

[Adam Schafer]

I think that's it right there. FIT Club Las Vegas.

[Justin Andrews]

Was that it?

[Adam Schafer]

I think that's it.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I think that's it. Because it had like.

[Justin Andrews]

So that's number one. Number two, you said it earlier. Tuscan, Arizona. Yeah, Tucson. Tuscan. Yeah, Tuscan.

[Sal DeStefano]

Tucson.

[Justin Andrews]

Tucson. Sorry.

[Caller Cindy]

Tucson.

[Justin Andrews]

My bad. From San Jose, Tucson, Arizona. So they had the most again. They're. They're ranked up real high. So the, the score that Las Vegas got on 0 to 100 was 99.5. So they crushed Tucson was 92.3. So they were there. And then next, Denver, Colorado.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Kyle]

Denver, Colorado, and there's Colorado.

[Adam Schafer]

Those two. If I recall, outside of this, the jack stat is some of the most gyms per square.

[Justin Andrews]

Like. Yeah, just tons.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Where were we in. Did we go to Denver?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, we did.

[Justin Andrews]

Right. And we went to a gym there. I think we might. We've been there a couple of times in sports. Is it there?

[Kyle]

Yeah, I went through New Grand Open.

[Justin Andrews]

That. Yeah. Then there's Miami, Florida. So Miami, Florida is number four. Then you have Albuquerque, New Mexico. Then we have California making number six. Sacramento.

[Adam Schafer]

Sacramento.

[Justin Andrews]

They actually have some sick ass like you're going to go in there and lift some weights. Gyms. Sacramento is Mark Bell.

[Kyle]

I could see that.

[Justin Andrews]

Huh?

[Adam Schafer]

I would. I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have thought Sacramento.

[Kyle]

It's a very concentrated area for sure.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. Then you have Mesa, Arizona.

[Adam Schafer]

It's also working your way towards NorCal, where people eat meat.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Then you have Mesa, Arizona, Washington, D.C. they made the list. Okay. All right. I guess the politicians didn't throw it off enough. Tampa, Florida. And then El Paso, Texas. El Paso, Texas. The worst. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Really? Yeah. So they must just not have very many gyms. What's crazy about this is LA is 48. And I know LA is just.

[Adam Schafer]

It's what you saw. The highest concentration of vegans.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

In the country.

[Justin Andrews]

What? Doug, maybe look this up. What city in America has the highest concentration of gyms? I just want to see that minus the protein, to see what we're looking at in terms of. Oh, here we go. I got it. Here we go. And I got it right here. The cities that offer the most strength training, Miami, Florida is a hundred. So check this. This is per capita. Right. So per 100,000 people. Damn. Miami's got a lot, dude. A hundred gyms per capita.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

One. I believe it. 100 gyms per capita.

[Kyle]

Wow, that's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

That's. What?

[Adam Schafer]

Arizona. Isn't Arizona up there? No, it's not.

[Justin Andrews]

No. Atlanta, Georgia is next at 69 gyms per capita.

[Kyle]

What about Jersey, dude, all those gym 10 laundry guys? Yeah, yeah. Come on. That's got a rank on that.

[Justin Andrews]

Las Vegas is number three at 65. Tampa, Florida, 56. Minneapolis, at 48. Sacramento, 45. Omaha, 45. Denver, 44. Charlotte, 43. And then 43 at Colorado. You know what's crazy about this? Miami, first place, 103, second place, 69. That is a lot. Big discrepancy. That's a big discrepancy.

[Adam Schafer]

I land there today, man. We'll see if I see all the gyms there.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Kyle]

You're taking off.

[Justin Andrews]

So that's. What is that, 100 per capita. What is that? One gym per thousand people? That's what it breaks down to. Oh, right. Am I doing the Math?

[Sal DeStefano]

Is it 100 per capita?

[Justin Andrews]

It's 103 per 100,000 residents. Am I doing the math right?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So that's. That's a lot.

[Adam Schafer]

One per thousand people. That can't be right. Wow.

[Kyle]

It's like on every corner that wouldn't.

[Adam Schafer]

A gym couldn't even afford to survive off of that.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean. I mean, if you have a high enough demand, I guess that's what. That's what they ranked it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that doesn't compute for me.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, that's a lot. Dude. Have you guys ever been. Have you guys ever been to a. Like, what areas have you been to where you're, like, legit? Like, oh, my God, everybody works. It looks like they lift weights.

[Adam Schafer]

Las Vegas is probably like that.

[Kyle]

Austin.

[Justin Andrews]

Wait, where were you in Las Vegas where you saw that? Just at the gyms.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Yeah, that's where. I mean, that really. I mean, we've talked about.

[Justin Andrews]

Besides gyms, obviously, going to a gym.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. But still, though, we. One of the things. What do we talk about on this podcast all the time when we used to share this with our clients is like, people are intimidated to come to the gym. And you, like, stand up, look around the gym. Vegas is not like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I remember looking around Vegas and being like, everybody looked like they were, like, a dancer or looked like they were a fitness model.

[Kyle]

Bodybuilder.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, bodybuilder. Like that. It was crazy.

[Kyle]

It was like, yeah, Vegas was crazy,

[Adam Schafer]

but that was the only gym I've ever been in that I really felt that way. Like, everybody was like, the only time

[Justin Andrews]

I've ever been outside of it, because I've been to gyms like that that are pretty hardcore. And everybody looks like they're really into it. But I. Miami beach. But. And that was years ago. Like, I was in Miami Beach. I was. It was in the late 90s, and I'd never been to a beach.

[Kyle]

Yeah. I had the same experience.

[Justin Andrews]

And because you go to beaches and everybody looks normal, everybody looks regular, every once in a while you see a fit person. That's pretty rare. But I remember going to the beach, going like, everybody here, like, like, really works out. Like, everybody. I remember thinking that. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

I went. It was like a spring break with, like, some of my friends who were from Miami that played football with me.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

And it was just like. He felt like you're walking around with a bunch of. Yeah. Models like, everywhere. It was crazy.

[Adam Schafer]

This will be my first time at Miami beach, so we'll see what it is. Like for me, Vegas pools are like that. But it. You're also.

[Justin Andrews]

That's a little bit of a bias.

[Adam Schafer]

It is a bias.

[Justin Andrews]

Because Miami Beach. I guess it is.

[Adam Schafer]

That's why. That's why. That's why you're getting that. You're like. It's not. Those aren't technically all residents there. These are all people that are flying in to show their body off. So I would think that Miami and I would. Yeah. And I would think the. Also Vegas pools get that. You get all the fittest people that are getting in shape so they can show up to that place.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So that's a little bit different crazy

[Justin Andrews]

walk around, beach experience ever. Ever had. What's that? What's that? That very famous, wealthy area. It's not billionaires row. No, it's vineyard. No. So there's Nice. You got France. Right. That part of France. And then you could take a train. The lake. No. Monaco.

[Sal DeStefano]

Monaco.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So have you ever been to Monaco? No. Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

It's on my list.

[Justin Andrews]

We went to Mon. This was.

[Kyle]

They're like Lamborghini cops.

[Adam Schafer]

I want to see the famous F1 race there.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen, it was the weirdest. I've never experienced anything like this in my life. We were in Nice. This was years. A long time ago. So this is probably like, I don't know, maybe 20, 20 years ago. We went with Jason. Yeah. So I want Jason back when he was dating what's her name.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. So we went there together, all of us. We stayed in Nice and then we took the train and we went to like, the famous. But we went to Monaco, and then we went to the famous beach where. Okay. It's the weirdest place in the world. Yes. Every cop car is a Lamborghini. And every car that drove by. Every car that drove by was a supercar. Yeah, there were. No, not supercars. Every car that drove by. Then we went into the casino, which you have to pay a fee just to walk in. So we just want to look. We paid a fee. I walked in, I looked at the first was a blackjack table, and I see people stacking chips, like, putting them up. And then I look at the table. Minimum bet, €5,000. Yeah. I'm like, these people are betting 30,000. This is back in the. This is back in early 2000s. That's wild that.

[Kyle]

It's almost like a theme park to watch rich people spend money.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I was like.

[Adam Schafer]

And you guys. Were you guys there just on a normal week, too?

[Justin Andrews]

Just a normal week.

[Adam Schafer]

So that's not even like. Like, when I supposedly. Like, when F1 is there, it's like all the super yachts from all over the world are there.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, the craziest. The craziest parts. When we're on the beach. We're on the beach and I see, like, again, it's like a movie. I see this really. This guy's probably 60 something years old, really tanned, like, white chest hair.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Speaking like, Sicilian and Italian. Okay. So he's obviously Mediterranean. And he had like three or four, I don't know, supermodel looking. Yeah. And he's speaking Sicilian to, like, dudes that are, like, serving him. And I'm like. I'm, like, looking over at Jason like that. That's a Mafia. Then another guy's connected, bro. Then there was a. Then there was a chic. So he had, like the long, you know, turbine thing or whatever. He goes out in the water. He's got five dudes with earpieces, and they stand around him and make space for him so he could go, like, bathing. Yeah, dude. I'm like, what is happening here?

[Kyle]

Wild. Where am I it?

[Justin Andrews]

Straight up out of a movie. All right, I gotta. I wanna talk about. So, Adam, you were telling me about canoli. Oh, yeah, I was calling you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, he hit me up. I guess the. Their parasite cleanse is just exploding right now. And he asked if we had taken it. And I said, no, I haven't taken it. I know. I said, Sal talks about that all the time. In fact, I said last year, I said, he put me on something. I said, but, you know, tell me about It. And then he was just saying it's been the reviews that they've been getting. And so I wanted you to look at it and tell me, because I know you've. You've looked into this before.

[Justin Andrews]

You've.

[Adam Schafer]

You've encouraged me to. To do a parasite cleanse. I think Doug's done one before, too. Like, I think. So tell me, what is it? 1. Is it work?

[Justin Andrews]

Yes.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. So they have a parasite cleanse supplement. There's two of them that they've put together. They're all natural. So, yes, you can treat yourself for parasites naturally. Now, pharmaceuticals are like a nuke. So if natural doesn't work, sometimes you got to go in there with the drugs. But the. The natural ingredients that are in their parasite cleanse have been shown in studies and have been used for a long time for parasite cleanse. In some cases.89, 97 efficacy.

[Adam Schafer]

Wow.

[Justin Andrews]

And they have a combination of ingredients. So they have mimosa seed, pumpkin seed, Ceylon cinnamon, papain powder. Then they have another bottle that comes with ingredients that are to repair your gut. Okay. Which is important because you get rid of parasites, a lot of toxins are released. Parasite die off, can make you feel like crap. Then they have another bottle that comes with this that has stuff in there that heal the gut. And so it's a combination of two bottles. Yeah. And they're. And they're effective. I brought up the data. I researched a lot of them, which I had in the past, but I just kind of just refresh my memory, and they do work. They do work. So you can treat yourself naturally for parasites. Again, if it doesn't work, then you got to go with the pharmaceutical route. But for most people, it will do a good job. But anyway, there's this belief, this myth that I believed for a long time, I used to hear this all the time, that parasite infections. Well, that's. That's for, like, third world. Those are third world issues. Like, we live in modern societies. Everything's so clean. Right. Parasite infections are rare, so it's not a big deal.

[Kyle]

I was tributed more to, like, unsanitary, like, environments.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude. Like, you're gonna go to another. Like, you're gonna go to a third world country or you're gonna go to some area, you know, with bad sanitary conditions. And then they'll say, make sure you treat yourself for parasites or watch out. Only eat food that's well cooked. That kind of stuff. But if you live in America, what I thought was, yeah, it's. It's rare. It's actually not. It's actually not rare at all. It's rare for you to catch a parasite in the next year, but over the course of years, it's actually quite common that you may encounter and have parasites. And if you've never done a parasite cleanse and you're 30 or 40 now, the odds go up quite a bit. It's like one example. This is a silly one.

[Adam Schafer]

You also talked about sushi eaters. If you're somebody who's a big sushi.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen, if you eat uncooked food, which could be sushi, it could be raw vegetables, fruit. Yes, it's all washed, all that stuff. But remember, you're doing this over years and years and years. And once you get a parasite, it ain't gonna go anywhere. They evolve to live in your body. They're there and they grow. Yeah.

[Kyle]

They could be tiny and almost microscopic.

[Justin Andrews]

And they spread. Like, you have them, your family probably has them. You know, type of deal. Like pinworm is a real common one. Pinworm is like 38% of children who go to daycare have pinworm. 38%. Okay. The symptoms of parasites sometimes are obvious. So this is when people tend to go get tested. So they have really bad symptoms, like really bad gastro issues all of a sudden or whatever. But some of them are kind of subtle, kind of low energy skin issues, hormone issues, teeth grinding. Teeth grinding, believe it or not, is a. A sign of parasite infection, fogginess, food intolerances. Like, I didn't have food intolerances. Suddenly have all these food intolerances. Like, that could be a sign of parasites inflammation.

[Adam Schafer]

Get your butt.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, that's a very.

[Adam Schafer]

No, it is. It's one of the tough ones for a kid.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, pinworm, we'll do that. So they're quite common. So if you have never done a parasite cleanse, like, and this is all natural do around. And what's funny. So I was talking to Drew about this. So they released their parasite cleanse. And what's the name of their product? Doug, So I can quote them properly. Yeah.

[Sal DeStefano]

So let's see here. It's called parasite.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Parasite cleanse.

[Kyle]

Pretty straightforward.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, very straightforward. So I was talking to Drew and he goes, he goes, dude, the pictures people are sending me.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, God. He gets picture. I'm not surprised.

[Justin Andrews]

I mean, we get. So you can get rid of parasites and notice nothing in your stool. But some people, they're seeing stuff come out.

[Kyle]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

And it's like, what is that?

[Kyle]

So this is where it ends up. Typically, yes. Is in your poop.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So what happens is when you take these, when you take a parasite, when you take their parasite cleanse kit, there are compounds in there that paralyze the parasite. So parasites will have to hook on or hold on as food passes through, so they don't go through and get pooped out. Yeah. Pumpkin seed, for example, is a very common or famous one because it paralyzes them so they're suddenly. They can't hold on.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And they come out your body. There are other compounds in there that prevent eggs from hatching or prevent them from laying eggs. There are other ones that are toxic to the parasite. So they've combined a bunch of them to kind of hit them from different angles. And so anyway, he was like, man, the pictures, good for you. Do you get pictures of people poop? Well, my personal experience is I had gut issues. If you've listened to the show for more than five years, you know this. I had gut issues for, I don't know, two decades. Yeah. And they would sometimes get worse, sometimes get a little better, never completely go away. It was always a challenge. I could never really push my food intake because once I did, I'd have all these gastro issues. I couldn't even eat. So many different things sometimes I'd get issues out of nowhere. It really inhibited my progress because I couldn't feed myself properly. So my calories were always low. So, you know, I couldn't, you know, push muscle building or strength because every time I bump my food up past a certain point, after a week or two, it caused problems. I'd have to fast regularly to reduce the, you know, inflammation and symptoms. This was just going on for a while. It wasn't until I did a parasite cleanse that I finally got better. Okay.

[Kyle]

But everybody wants to know, did you see it in your.

[Justin Andrews]

I didn't. No. I didn't see anything.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, so there's a. There's a chance, like, you. You will get relieved of some of the symptoms but not see it in your stool?

[Justin Andrews]

No, no. Not everybody's going to see stuff.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. I mean, if I, if I.

[Kyle]

There's some resolve there, though.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I feel like. I feel like you'd want to see.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't want to see nothing.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I would too. I would be like, good. Got him. Got you.

[Justin Andrews]

Jumps out. Oh, my gosh.

[Kyle]

Hell no.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude. So I was. But it would happen with me. So here's what it feels like when you do side cleanse. This is what I experienced. I did the cleanse. I got way better. Then I had to do the cleanse like 10 days later. Because if you have any remaining. It sounds so gross, right? If you have any remaining eggs, so you kill the main parasites, but there's eggs that may remain. Then 10 days later, I did it again to kill the potentially hatching eggs and I got way better. But I was still kind of sensitive because my gut had to heal. Yeah. So it wasn't for like a month or two of me.

[Adam Schafer]

I remember when, I remember when it flipped for you.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

It was like night and day, bro.

[Justin Andrews]

I gained 10 pounds of muscle and like 10 pounds of muscles came on my body because now I could eat. I could suddenly eat and Which I haven't make.

[Adam Schafer]

You have to make that clear to the audience because someone's going to hear that, be like, parasite clues made you gain ten pounds. It's like, well, the cleansing, it was the food. That was your ability to now bump your calories, 500, 1,000 calories and push.

[Justin Andrews]

Hold it down. Yeah, that's right. It was preventing me from being able to fuel what I was doing with my training.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And once I was able to eat and eat more, boom, I got.

[Kyle]

Well, I. Yeah, I remember being motivated, but I didn't actually, like, do the parasite cleanse yet. Like, I bought all the stuff, but it was because of the teeth grinding part that was like, oh, man, maybe there is, you know, something related. And of course I've had, you know, gut issues for quite a while. So me, I guess it's time take the challenge.

[Justin Andrews]

You eat all kinds of weird stuff. I think. So if you do this, just give people advice on this. If you do, if you get organifies parasite cleanse, you're going to want to give it to your spouse also.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Because you probably both, you share, I mean, sexual contact, intimacy, whatever can spread parasites. You sleep in the same bed type of deal. So you do it. You, your wife or your husband should do it also. Because what will happen is you'll get rid of your parasites. Your wife has them. And then, yeah, three, four months later, like, my symptoms are back. What the hell's going on? Yeah, yeah, it was because that makes sense. You passed them, you know, back.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you do that app thing that you were going to mess with?

[Kyle]

Oh, I. I think so. So Dylan, did. Did we get that all set up? Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, so well, tell us about this.

[Kyle]

So, yeah, I got one of my friends sent me this, like last night, and he was just like, this would be kind Of a funny thing. He's. So some of my friends in college, like, they were. I don't know, they were always like, measuring and stacking each other, like, based upon, like, all kinds of weird, like, so how good you look in comparison to your other friends or like, you know, who's. Who's the most athletic or, you know, whatever, you know. So we always have these kind of debates and. Yeah, stupid crap like that. And so my friend actually sent me, like, there's like a specific kind of prompt you can send to like, Claude or one of those AI things. And it ranks you and it, like, it gives you all this detailed report based upon like, you know, symmetry or like wrinkle or like, so you do

[Justin Andrews]

a picture of your face, folds of

[Kyle]

your eyes or like. Yeah, so it just. It scans and analyzes you and it gives you, like, you know, an attractive score. And so I was like. I thought it'd be funny if we just like.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you guys. Do you guys remember what could go wrong?

[Justin Andrews]

Do you remember me?

[Adam Schafer]

Hey, do you remember me telling you about this? So when I went down. This was. When did Kyle and I go down to the Hormozi school thing?

[Justin Andrews]

A few months ago?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, it was a while ago. Probably six months more like. That was a while. It's been a while. When we went down there, I told you guys, one of the. I was, first of all, I was like the old guy, you know, all these young, super successful kids, like, and one of the kids I ended up Talking to forever. 19 years old.

[Justin Andrews]

Wow. 19.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, 19. Multi millionaire.

[Kyle]

Wow.

[Adam Schafer]

And one of the things that he had created was he had created this app that score that you and you had to buy tokens. So basically, if I. Whatever. I don't know the exact price. I don't quote me, it was like 9.99. And I get 5.5faces that I could score.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And. And so. But he developed it for plastic surgeons so they could use the software, the technology. And. And the way. I guess the way right now, the. The way the technology they use right now is kind of outdated. And this. This new technology that he had trademarked, this formula or algorithm machine.

[Justin Andrews]

Tell me how handsome or not I know.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, and so anyways, so he. That was his. So that's how he made big money. But he. He was making tons of money just from all the people curious and just curious. Yeah, like, not for actual plastic surgery, but just be like, man, let's do ours and let's see. And so he was making millions of dollars just from The. That market, the. Just the open market of people wanting to score their face, yet it was developed for plastic surgery. And that's the way he. He came up with it was he worked at, like, an office like that, and so he had. He had seen. He knew how they were using this. This technology in order to. And they were. It was. And he's like. He basically developed a better technology through this app. And the app gone went viral from just kids sharing it, wanting to.

[Kyle]

It's funny because obviously you see all the negative aspects of this, you know, like, it's like, really, like, gonna push people into insecurity land. But at the same time, you know, amongst, you know, my friends who are all a bunch of ogres.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I'm gonna say a bunch of old dudes who don't give a. Yeah, yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't care.

[Kyle]

It's funny, you know, it's like. Especially when, like, you end up lining up right next to your ogre friend that you're like, no way, dude. Like, I'm way better looking at you.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I'm super nervous because you guys say that I'm the handsome one, but I have a feeling I'm not gonna score very well. I've told you guys before, like, model symmetry is like the. The distance of your eyes, your nose, the ratio, all that stuff like that. Okay, Fat face. Fat face is not going to work to my favor. Chiseled jaw. Justin's J your will outscore me.

[Justin Andrews]

Listen. Yeah, pretend to be humble. Well, you guys, I'm not good looking at all. I'm going to look backwards. I'm going to roll my eyes.

[Kyle]

We just got to settle the score, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

That's all I'm saying.

[Kyle]

I don't want to throw this out there.

[Justin Andrews]

You know what's sad about this? Like, if you.

[Adam Schafer]

What's wrong, silver fox? I know.

[Justin Andrews]

Nervous.

[Adam Schafer]

One person said. One guy said.

[Justin Andrews]

Butterface.

[Kyle]

You know who that was, though, right?

[Justin Andrews]

You dick. You're the one that put that in there. What a jerk. Actually kind of means you have a nice body, bro.

[Kyle]

It was like.

[Justin Andrews]

It was a joke because it was

[Kyle]

like, you know, like, roast us. And I'm like, aside.

[Justin Andrews]

Sending them in my heart, dude. I felt.

[Kyle]

I felt a guilty conscious about that.

[Justin Andrews]

I told my wife. Be honest with me.

[Kyle]

I was like, one day, I'll tell Sal.

[Justin Andrews]

You just did. I literally told my wife. I'm like, be honest, honey. Am I a butterfly? I thought it was a fan, dude. I was like, oh, bro, just roasting you.

[Kyle]

Of course it's not real.

[Justin Andrews]

It would have been better if it was a fan.

[Caller Nathan]

I know.

[Kyle]

That's why I let it run for a while.

[Justin Andrews]

I was like, maybe I'll think about it. He was going to leave it forever. Yeah, I'll buy deathbed.

[Kyle]

Hey, Sal, by the way, that was me.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, it's crazy because what's obvious to me here, or sad, I guess, is if you want to make a quick buck, feed into human brokenness or insecurity, easy money you see everywhere. It's so sad to me. You want to make a lot of money here. How you do, feed addiction or insecurity or brokenness. Come up with a product that feeds this.

[Kyle]

You got to tell them they have

[Justin Andrews]

a problem, and boom, you're making a ton of money.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, speaking of insecurity, did you see the Hormozi video that got pulled down?

[Justin Andrews]

So is that really why he pulled it down?

[Adam Schafer]

I don't know.

[Justin Andrews]

Why?

[Adam Schafer]

I have no idea.

[Justin Andrews]

Why.

[Adam Schafer]

Why do you think?

[Justin Andrews]

I don't know. But, you know, did you even watch it? I did.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay, you did.

[Justin Andrews]

And it's. What's his name? I'm not gonna say his name. I don't want. I don't wanna make fun of him or say anything about it.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, no. Tony Robbins. Did you watch Tony?

[Justin Andrews]

No, I know that, but the person commented.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah, but did you watch the real interview?

[Justin Andrews]

I did. I didn't watch all of it, but

[Adam Schafer]

I watched a really good.

[Justin Andrews]

It was great.

[Adam Schafer]

It was really good.

[Justin Andrews]

Which is weird as to why he would pull it. Well, I know what the speculation is is that he looked like, you know, like he was. Yeah. Vulnerable, not super powerful. He looked like the little guy. He was getting schooled. In a good way. Yeah, but I could see how that would.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I mean, I think. I think it means everybody needs mentors.

[Kyle]

Right?

[Adam Schafer]

I think it made him way more likable. Yeah, but we were speculating on why. Do you think he got taken down or did it got. You know, did he take it down? Did his PR person take it down? Did Tony Robinson team have him take it down? Like, what is the most likely?

[Justin Andrews]

I think he explains. Someone in the comments said Hormozi explained why he took it down. But I don't look that up.

[Adam Schafer]

He has.

[Justin Andrews]

Someone in the comments said, I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, our team had looked at. Looked at it. I don't think they said that they had found that.

[Justin Andrews]

You put. Why did Hormozi take down his interview with Tony Robbins, by the way? Do you guys. A mystery just Side note, we'll go back to this last few weeks, I've had three different people tell me that I look and sound like Tony Robbins. Three different people?

[Kyle]

Seriously?

[Justin Andrews]

Separately. The only time I'd ever heard that before was when Doug told me 20 years ago.

[Adam Schafer]

Just recently.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Randomly, maybe.

[Kyle]

Your delivery, but not, like, your voice.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. You remind me of Tony Robbins. I'm like, I never heard that. I only heard that one other time. Like, two other people did the same thing.

[Kyle]

That's interesting. I don't know.

[Justin Andrews]

I take as a compliment.

[Kyle]

Yeah, of course.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a major compliment.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. He took down.

[Sal DeStefano]

So this is speculation because it shifted

[Justin Andrews]

from a promotion of his hustle culture brand to a vulnerable coaching session where he appeared. That's the. That's the skull. Yeah, but what did he say? Well.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I mean, if that pops up as the first thing you would think it would be.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I don't know, but I liked it. I thought it was a great. I don't think it reduces his. I think it only strengthens his influence vulnerabilities.

[Adam Schafer]

I think that's genuine. That's what we would think, because we built a brand on authenticity and being vulnerable and sharing our flaws and our weaknesses. He has not built a brand off of that. He has built a brand off of being an authority, a Know it all. A. You're. If you can't lean into being, you know, working and being miserable, you're weak.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So that's been part of his mantra for the entire. And so it does make a little sense from a brand perspective. Yeah, exactly. From a. From a humanizing and from a. Like. I mean, I like him more because of that. And I think. I think everybody. I think a lot of people felt that way. But if you've built your brand, this is like, we have people, okay, in the space that we know. Okay. That, you know, built their band off of being their brand, off of being alpha, good fathers, all this like that. And they preach to everybody with that and then end up getting a divorce or cheating on their wife or. And it's like, boy. And you just see their. When you build this whole brand around a. A certain message, and then that gets dismantled or unpacked like it did in that.

[Justin Andrews]

Like the vegan girl that got caught eating.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. It just like versus when we open, when we started this and nobody was listening from jump. The jump. We came from a place of.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, we learned that from coaching people.

[Adam Schafer]

That's right.

[Justin Andrews]

You have to do that.

[Adam Schafer]

And so. And so none of us, in 13 years. Okay. That we've been doing this. We've all had some rough years or mistakes. So I just came off of sharing my addiction that I had, and it didn't. It doesn't hurt us because I never came off preaching like, I was perfect. Well, I don't have flaws.

[Justin Andrews]

It's also, like, you want to talk about a dangerous path is to build a bunch of. Or get. Create a bunch of admiration and glory. Or we'll say love, but it's not real. From the world based off of something that you. That isn't real because it will. And people will wait for you to come crashing down. Right. What's his. What's the guy's name? You think? He's. He's super funny. He also does kickboxing. He. He was in Romania.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, Andrew Tate.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Andrew Tate. The comedy side of him is great, but he also puts out this Persona that he's like this super alpha, whatever. Yeah. And then he got in a kickboxing match recently. Got his butt kicked.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Destroyed by. In the comments. Destroyed. Because he pumps himself up as. Like, I can beat anybody's.

[Kyle]

Waiting for him to fail.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So it's like, oh, I thought he

[Adam Schafer]

handled himself so well after that.

[Justin Andrews]

I thought he did, too.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you hear? Yeah.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

People were destroying him, and. Because they're waiting for him. They're waiting for him to fall.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, that's. I don't know if that's a good example, because, like, fights are. Fights are like that. Right. You just saw Strickland's fight last week, and, like, they're part of. They build themselves up. They talk so much trash that they sell the fight.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

To sell the fight. And you know the best way to sell a fight, you need to make enemies on the other side. You need to be you. You need to hope that you want. Okay. Jake Paul's the best of that. Look how much hate that guy takes on, but he knows damn well what he's doing. He knows he's bringing us. The fighters aren't a good example of that. I think better examples are, like, these people that build brands around a Persona that isn't their full truth, or they're still. They're still scarred from childhood stuff and insecurities, and they put on a front. Like, it's not a big motivator or driver of who they are today. And so I think that's what happens is you put this facade on that you're this image or this person and it serves you so well. You get all this admiration and love for it.

[Justin Andrews]

The irony is being vulnerable will get you more influence if you lead with it.

[Adam Schafer]

But if you've built a Persona that is so big and powerful for that,

[Justin Andrews]

and especially if you talk down to people. Especially if you do that.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, that's what I'm saying. And so, again, I don't know why this guy. There could be a whole host of.

[Justin Andrews]

He actually said it. Doug pulled it up. He said it didn't match his hustle brand.

[Sal DeStefano]

No, that was a speculation.

[Justin Andrews]

It was still not him.

[Sal DeStefano]

It was not him.

[Adam Schafer]

He hasn't admit that. I mean, that's. That's exactly what we're speculating right now is exactly what I think is he's built this brand on.

[Justin Andrews]

You're.

[Adam Schafer]

If you can't do something hard and hate it, you're a pussy.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, I lean into that. This suffer.

[Justin Andrews]

I'm suffering. I don't know the guy.

[Adam Schafer]

Tony basically unpacked that and was like, that's a terrible way to live.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't know him. I don't know his wife. I don't know them. I think they have great information when it comes to building a business, stuff like that. I don't know him. I don't follow him deeply, but the things that I have seen, when he talks, it does come out to me that he's. I don't know. I feel. When Robbins was talking to him, I was like, that's what I've noticed. That's what I feel. He's kind of lost, and he's chasing something because he feels like he's lost.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, so that's maybe why. Who knows?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. No, I mean, he. He admits being unhappy. I mean, he. It's not like he's faking that. I mean, but that's. Again, I think that. That the reason why. I think the speculation is probably pretty. Pretty accurate. I mean, Katrina brought up another point. She's like, you remember how. How many NDAs we had to sign and stuff that we. I mean, of all the interviews that we've done, we had to go through more legal stuff with Tony's team than we ever have. Right. To protect all his stuff. And so there was a lot of rules that we had to follow. And so her speculation was like, are you sure that his team didn't have him pull it down? Because true. Something didn't.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, it's funny about that. Just to give kudos to Tony, when we talked to him off air, whatever he was like, he didn't. He was very candid. Yeah. I'm like, maybe that's why they put it in.

[Adam Schafer]

The team kind of comes in and cleans. No, that's all right.

[Justin Andrews]

Totally.

[Adam Schafer]

He's one. I. I would put him up there with one of my favorite people that we've met, because for the most part, especially, like, uber famous like him, don't live up to what you expect, you know? Like, I mean, I've. I've met her Mosey in person. I met. When we met Robbins, we met Jordan Peters. Jordan Peterson was like this, too. They. They. They have this ability about it, whether it's authentic or not. I tell you what, it makes you feel like it is.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

They have this ability to make you feel important in. In that you're the only person in the room.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And as busy as they are and as famous as they are, everything else dissolves. And it's like, the attention is. And not a lot of, like, really uber famous people have that. Most of them have kind of an arrogance about them. Give two shits like, I'm busy, whatever. Tony did not come off that way at all. Peterson didn't come off that way at all. Like, they were two of probably my favorite people I think, that we've. We've ever encountered.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, I'm gonna change directions here. So they just. This is going viral right now, and I can't wait to read this because I know Justin is going to love what I'm about to read here.

[Adam Schafer]

Exciting.

[Justin Andrews]

So, yeah, dude. And I'm just like, okay, this is more UFO stuff. No, no. Although I do have some of that. Boom, boom.

[Kyle]

Hitting it with the.

[Justin Andrews]

This is a study that is out. And they're like, it's flying. Okay. The single strongest personality predictor of conspiracy thinking is narcissism.

[Kyle]

Wow.

[Justin Andrews]

Narcissists are particularly prone to conspiracy theories because they have a strong need for uniqueness and are prone to paranoia and can also be remarkably gullible. Now here's why this is interesting. Wow.

[Sal DeStefano]

Or maybe they just want the truth.

[Justin Andrews]

Here's. Here's what. Here's what.

[Kyle]

No, no, let's break down the person that wrote this.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, it was a study. It's a study that they're showing. So here's the. Here's what I think 100% I'm gonna push back. And right now, this is why I think this way. Is that quote, unquote, conspiracy theorists, like, 10, zero.

[Adam Schafer]

I know that sounds very narcissistic.

[Justin Andrews]

So, no, they're just proving 10 and oh, you know, Covid was a won time for conspiracy theorists. They all came out looking. Yeah, great. See what this can UFO disclosures. Epstein, what the. You know what the quote unquote elite do? Like, it's all like conspiracy theories. Like, they're batting a thousand right now. So I think they're doing this to. To try to marginalize, dismantle it a bit. By the way, conspiracy theorists was a term that was created by the government. Yeah, yeah, they came up with it. Yeah, because of the JFK assassination.

[Adam Schafer]

I thought it was the. That was the. It was the other one. It was the other studies they did.

[Justin Andrews]

The.

[Adam Schafer]

What's it called?

[Justin Andrews]

Source with an MK Ultra.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Look up. When did the ca.

[Adam Schafer]

I believe it was over MK ultra.

[Justin Andrews]

So I. I thought it was after jfk, because after he got killed, everybody.

[Adam Schafer]

It was you guys who I think dropped that knowledge. I mean, I wasn't aware of that. We brought it up one time before, and I thought it was a way to throw him off from MK Ultra.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, no, it was because people were speculating, like, wait, this doesn't seem. Something's off. Like, this doesn't seem right.

[Kyle]

Yes, I got the facial beauty. For who? For each of us.

[Justin Andrews]

How do they put up.

[Adam Schafer]

Can you put it up on Kimmy? Can. Can Doug put it up or.

[Kyle]

No. Thanks, Dylan. Yeah, okay, I'll text it to you.

[Sal DeStefano]

According to this, the CIA did not invent this phrase, but they played.

[Justin Andrews]

So this is where. This is where AI cracks me up. But they played a significant role in weaponizing and popularizing it in the 1960s to discredit critics of. There you go. Warren Commission's finding of the JFK assassination. The aim was to associate questioning the official narrative with irrationality and fringe insanity. So maybe they didn't create the 20th.

[Adam Schafer]

What year was MK Ultra?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, we didn't know about it for a while, but I believe that was the 60s. Yeah, I think it was in the 60s.

[Adam Schafer]

So it was after JFK.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, but you remember, See, people don't realize this. When the first time that.

[Sal DeStefano]

The 1953.

[Adam Schafer]

So I think that this is the first time it was used sales. And then it got popularized maybe in the JFK thing.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't know. But what I do know is that for the first time in American history, the population largely questioned the narrative. It was like one of the first times where the population was like, we don't believe this. Yeah, this doesn't seem right. It was the JFK assassination, didn't we.

[Adam Schafer]

What? What you got?

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, so here we Go look down at the bottom screen. That's not a good picture of me. Pick a better one.

[Adam Schafer]

7.2. That's not bad. It's above average.

[Justin Andrews]

7.2. Out of what? Okay, is it out of a 10?

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, wow. Look at all these.

[Sal DeStefano]

Out of 10.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. All right, so my friend.

[Kyle]

Dude, last time it was like six point, like, like three or something.

[Justin Andrews]

So my symmetry, and I'm not even looking straight at the camera, guys. Yeah. Symmetry. 7.3. Portion. 7.1. Bone structure, 7.6. Skin quality, 6.8. Wow. Oily.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

7.4 for Justin.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, how.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

Justin is more handsome.

[Justin Andrews]

That's not bad. Winning. Yeah. You're doing good. I likes you.

[Kyle]

I've been nice to AI.

[Sal DeStefano]

Okay, so let's go for Adam here.

[Justin Andrews]

So 7.3, 7.4.

[Adam Schafer]

We're all close. Can't you even use my oak picture?

[Justin Andrews]

Hey, you know why?

[Adam Schafer]

My cheeks aren't as fat there?

[Kyle]

Oh, maybe that's the factor, bro. 7.6. Oh, that's crushed.

[Justin Andrews]

You're almost. I got it. Dude.

[Adam Schafer]

They gave me an eight in bone structure.

[Justin Andrews]

No. Was that an eight in bone structure? Yes, eight. Oh, that's good. Dude. Doug on there.

[Sal DeStefano]

No, they didn't do me.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, put Doug in there.

[Adam Schafer]

Don't put him in there.

[Justin Andrews]

Let's put Doug in there and see what's going on. I mean, we're all kind of close.

[Adam Schafer]

We are close.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

I'm barely more handsome.

[Justin Andrews]

Dang.

[Kyle]

I was hoping for more discrepancy.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you can't be talking like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Point.

[Adam Schafer]

I'm 0.2 more handsome dog.

[Justin Andrews]

Now.

[Sal DeStefano]

You know, you're a solid seven.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Not even a full. Not even a full point more handsome, you know, but, hey, we're all just.

[Kyle]

No butter, no butterfly.

[Adam Schafer]

There's a bunch of. Bunch of mids.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. You know how much I can this. Not at all. All right.

[Adam Schafer]

I want to find somebody who. Who in our team would be an 8 or above?

[Justin Andrews]

I don't know, but I bet Doug's gonna be up there. Kyle's pretty handsome, guy.

[Adam Schafer]

Kyle's pretty handsome.

[Justin Andrews]

You gotta be careful. He works for. Well, I've heard. Will you stop ranking our staff on how they look at them? They work for you. Anyway, while we wait for Doug's results. Dude, I read. This has to be one of the most crazy, terrifying things I've ever read in a long time. Like a stut. Like a story. Which is. It's actually. It's crazy. All right, so let me read to you guys what happened to this poor young lady. So this 19 year old girl who went to a coma for three weeks. So she was in a coma for three weeks. In her coma, she lived a life that lasted seven years. So in her coma, she literally sounds

[Kyle]

like a Black Mirror episode, bro.

[Justin Andrews]

And this can happen. I looked it up.

[Kyle]

That's crazy.

[Justin Andrews]

This can actually happen. This. It's rare, but it can happen. So while she was in a coma, she lived an entire life that lasted seven years. In that seven year life, she gave birth to triplets. Name them. Lost one shortly after birth. When she came out of the coma, she asked for her kids. And everybody's like, you don't have kids. What are you talking about? She's like, what do you mean? I raised them. I raised my kids. I live with them. I had a whole life. So this poor girl now is going through therapy. She woke up with grief because she had these kids that she loved and raised that didn't exist.

[Adam Schafer]

How old was she again?

[Justin Andrews]

19. 19. Isn't that crazy?

[Kyle]

That's insane.

[Adam Schafer]

And she was in the coma for how long again?

[Justin Andrews]

Three months.

[Adam Schafer]

Three months, but thought she felt like seven years.

[Justin Andrews]

So there was a. A novelist, Karen Levitt, who wrote about her own coma in 2021. She also experienced it.

[Adam Schafer]

Dude, I would love to see her do one of those sketch artists and actually have her like, describe her kids.

[Justin Andrews]

Well, how.

[Kyle]

How long was she in the coma again?

[Justin Andrews]

Three months.

[Kyle]

Just it.

[Justin Andrews]

That's three months. But she lived seven years in her mind. So another woman wrote about this. That happened to her too. Is in psychology today in 2021. She said waking up felt like being pulled violently from one world to another where she, like, she was in another dimension, living. You ever watch Rick and Morty? You've seen Rick. There's this one episode where there's this arcade game and then they plug in and Morty lives this whole life as a little boy. They show him grown up, he has a family. He has a heart attack. Comes out of it. Yes. And then he dies in old life. And they pull the plug and he's like crying, my family. It's like that, dude. Wow. It's so terrifying. It's scary.

[Adam Schafer]

All right.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

I didn't know that was real. Like, I thought that was just some narrative like somebody came up with, you know, to make a cool story.

[Justin Andrews]

No, apparently it happens. It's rare, but it can happen when people are in a coma.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it's the same thing as, like, you know, you hear about when people hit their head really Hard get some kind of traumatic brain injury and all of a sudden they're a savant of some kind of like they can, you know, play like. Or they can like speak Mandarin.

[Adam Schafer]

Think about your.

[Justin Andrews]

Some of your.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean you guys have had probably dreams at night before that seem real. Well, not only seem real, but also are like days long or like the dream. Like the actual. The dream only lasts two hours, but like it feels.

[Justin Andrews]

It's a whole story. Yeah, right. Did you imagine feeling like you lived seven years?

[Adam Schafer]

Well, I know that's what. It's crazy, but you can't. I feel like. I see. You can see how that could play out if, like a, if a night when I fall asleep and I could have three different dreams in that night and all three have a full on plot and you know, know, probably felt like a whole day each of them when it was really only.

[Kyle]

Have you guys ever lucid dreamed?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh yeah. All the time.

[Kyle]

Really?

[Justin Andrews]

When I was a kid. All the time.

[Kyle]

So you could, you knew you're dreaming?

[Justin Andrews]

Yes.

[Kyle]

Literally manipulate.

[Justin Andrews]

I would do it. I would, I would fly. I would.

[Adam Schafer]

I remember when I learned how to do that. I remember as a kid like understanding that like, like, like dreams were. Something bad was gonna happen. I could, I could change it.

[Justin Andrews]

I could make myself wake up. Up.

[Adam Schafer]

So I could make myself. I could make myself. Like in a scary dream, you change the scenario.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. Yeah, same.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

So you know how I learned how to do it? It was from scary dreams.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Justin Andrews]

Because I'd have these terrifying dreams. There was a period of time when I was a kid when I was getting these nightmares and someone told me, pinch yourself. You've heard this. Pinch yourself. See if you're sleeping or dreaming. And so I remembered it in my dream I pinched myself and I'm like, wait a minute, I don't. Maybe I am dreaming. And then I jumped off a cliff in my dream to get away. And when I hit the ground, I woke up. So this I realized like that's a way to wake up out of a bad dream. But then I learned how to just wake up. And then it turned into, well, I'm not going to just wake up. I'm not scared. Change my dream.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Now I'm going to do whatever I want. Which is actually harder than you think because like the Matrix, you have to believe. So I remember I would dream that I could fly and I'd start flying, but that I question it and I hit the ground. Yeah. And I have to Keep practicing over and over, but I haven't been able to do it soon.

[Kyle]

Oh, you know, I just remember this, like the coma thing reminds me of Inception on some level, because it's like you're.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

The further down you go, like, the longer the time links.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you ever see that one woman? I don't know if you ever see this video. I think she hit her head real hard or something like that. And she came out and she had a Chinese accent.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah,

[Justin Andrews]

yeah. It's almost like British woman. British woman.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, that would be funny coming out of a British woman.

[Justin Andrews]

British woman gets Chinese accent from head trauma. You can see the video of her talking.

[Adam Schafer]

Shut up.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude. Oh, my God.

[Kyle]

It's like she's.

[Adam Schafer]

How long did.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

[Kyle]

She's trolling.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you guys remember this was a thing when we were in high school?

[Justin Andrews]

Right here, Right here. After a stroke, she woke up. Watch.

[Adam Schafer]

Did you guys. Hey, when you. Did you guys go to school? Did you guys ever go to school then eat? Like girls that, like, traveled abroad for like a summer or something like that? And then we. I had. I remember two different.

[Justin Andrews]

Came back with an accident.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes. Came back with the accent. Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle]

That's embarrassing.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah,

[Justin Andrews]

Come on.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, it's a thing.

[Sal DeStefano]

It's called foreign accent syndrome.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, but click on our video, dude. Accent syndrome up. Dude. Listen to the British woman speaking Cheerio. Yeah, no, no, watch, play. Okay, let me watch. In England is a dead set Pong, who now sounds like she's from Shanghai.

[Caller Robin]

It wasn't until I was in ambulance on the way to the hospital.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, my God.

[Caller Robin]

Of the way you and I say, oh, I sound like Auror. She said, no, you sound like you can work a Chinese os.

[Justin Andrews]

That's messed up, dude. Why are we laughing? I don't know.

[Adam Schafer]

It doesn't look right.

[Kyle]

It sucks because it's like. Yeah, like she's not trying to do that.

[Adam Schafer]

And it's not like she's speaking. It's not like she's speaking Chinese.

[Justin Andrews]

That's why it's.

[Kyle]

No, it's like broken English.

[Justin Andrews]

If that ever happened. One of you guys. I'm roasting all day long. Justin. I would know roasted myself. Adam wakes up with a Jamaican accent. Something like that.

[Kyle]

I can only hope for that.

[Adam Schafer]

I would hope for something like that. Oh, my gosh.

[Kyle]

That'd be the best podcast made for

[Adam Schafer]

great content for like the next year.

[Justin Andrews]

Dude, are you faking it? Yeah, man. What are you doing? Adam. Oh, my God. Hey. All right. I'm Gonna change the subject. So, you know, okay, see, you know, they make the, their probiotics or main product, but, you know, they have the multivitamin. I tell you guys, I take it, you like it.

[Adam Schafer]

I take it. I take it daily.

[Justin Andrews]

Right.

[Kyle]

I do too.

[Justin Andrews]

It's a great, it is a great multivitamin. And there's new studies that are showing that people who take multivitamins regularly have lower biological age because. And they're putting it to the multivitamin because of the nutrient. Because the fact that nutrient deficiencies are so common.

[Kyle]

I know it's like, you know, it's sort of association, but like, my house has been consistently taking it for the last, I don't know, like six months. And it was like, like, no, like a lot of colds have come, come and gone through, but we haven't, we've been very healthy. And, and it's not like, it's been not stressful.

[Justin Andrews]

I, you know, multivitamin. I, I, when early days of fitness, I, I was taught that it was a waste of money. Later I was taught there was a study where, and we've talked about this, where dietitians were trying to create.

[Adam Schafer]

That's what changed my mind about a

[Justin Andrews]

diet, a natural diet. And they, they had like, full freedom to, like, combine whatever foods you want.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

How many calories does a perfect nutrient diet have in terms of micronutrients? It was like 3, 000 calories.

[Adam Schafer]

It was 3, 500 and a serving of liver every week. I remember, I remember this clearly. What changed my mind on multivitamins.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

The first half of my career as a trainer.

[Justin Andrews]

I remember.

[Adam Schafer]

On multivitamins.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right.

[Adam Schafer]

It's a way you get it from. You get all that from food, blah, blah.

[Justin Andrews]

Nope.

[Kyle]

So you're basically deficient.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. You're either deficient or you're just not optimistic.

[Adam Schafer]

What is sal. What is it?

[Justin Andrews]

And so it's like, it's an inexpensive supplement that I think everybody, everybody should take. Multivitamin C does such a good job with how they deliver the nutrients. Yes. Because that makes a big difference.

[Adam Schafer]

Dumb question, because I should know the answer to this. What is it in a multivitamin that will make you nauseous if you eat it on an empty stomach?

[Justin Andrews]

I don't do that. It doesn't happen to me. But B vitamins, it's probably the B vitamins.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh, that's not everybody.

[Justin Andrews]

No. Oh, I thought everybody felt I could take.

[Adam Schafer]

Can you take a multivitamin empty stomach? No. Can't either. See, three out of four of us cannot.

[Justin Andrews]

No, I totally can.

[Adam Schafer]

Oh yeah. It'll make me nauseous. I do it 100 of the time.

[Justin Andrews]

I know.

[Adam Schafer]

Especially if I do like caffeine, empty stomach and that.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh really?

[Adam Schafer]

Oh God. That's like I've made that mistake so many times in my life where I'm just not thinking about it and I'm trying to be consistent and I'm like I haven't ate yet.

[Justin Andrews]

So eating with a multi although seed their delivery process makes a big difference. But it's. It is.

[Adam Schafer]

I kind of want to experiment with

[Justin Andrews]

that, see if it bothers you. Yeah, I bet you it'd be better. But what I was gonna say is all multivitamins are probably better to take with food because of the fat that you have in the food with the fat soluble vitamins and help slow down the the digestion so it can get where it needs to. It's probably a good idea to always take a multi with food.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

But I don't get nauseous from any. I can take anything on empty stomach.

[Adam Schafer]

I can take all. Any, anything else. It's multivitamins. Multivitamin on an empty stomach will make me nauseous. Wouldn't 10 out of 10 times I haven't because I know that and I've only been taking the seed for a couple of food. Yeah, I've known, I've known to do that. I take it after lunchtime is when you normally see you take it and so but that makes me curious to see if that one.

[Justin Andrews]

Because of the way the capsules are doing. Yeah. But I don't want to.

[Adam Schafer]

I really don't want to risk because

[Justin Andrews]

then you see lose.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Because then I feel like for like two hours.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. It's. Oh no. Zinc, iron or zinc. Iron or zinc because it irritates the stomach lining. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. I thought it was the B vitamins. Now the B vitamins are why your pee gets so yellow from them. One more UFO thing. We've been doing this. You see. Japan is doing disclosures. No, Japan says we have information and we're going to start disclosing.

[Kyle]

Oh wow.

[Justin Andrews]

And they sent it so weird to

[Adam Schafer]

me that all of us were on the same page of that.

[Justin Andrews]

Like it's. I think it's going to be our allies. I think it's us and our allies are going to be. So do you know what they released a video.

[Kyle]

Yeah. What So I know they've released information but is there anything significant so far?

[Justin Andrews]

Apparently the stuff that's going to make us all shaking our boots is coming. But so far, what they've released are videos and stuff, so. So Japan had. Has these videos the government released of. Remember they had their big earthquake that caused the Fukushima nuclear power plant, that whole deal over there. I remember what year, what that was. But when that happened, 2012 or so was it 2012, there were several orbs flying over the area that they were monitoring that then disappeared. And there's always a lot of speculation around UFOs and nuclear. Anything nuclear?

[Kyle]

Yeah, any or. Yeah, any kind of natural disaster they've noticed or like around nuclear plants and stuff like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, by the way, you know who else said that aliens are demons? That. That one priest you talked about who was on that podcast, Father Chad Ripperger, who does all the exorcisms. Yeah, yeah. And he said if you actually look at what the aliens are supposedly doing, it is identical to the same things the demons do to people who are possessed. If you strip the veneer of the alien aspect of it off, in point of fact, what you're dealing with is they're just demons. So this is just an actual expert on demons. He's a demon expert that says so. There you go, dude. Yeah, we're doing it.

[Kyle]

The demons getting new authorities in here.

[Adam Schafer]

To be continued.

[Justin Andrews]

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[Sal DeStefano]

Our first caller is Nathan from South Carolina.

[Justin Andrews]

What's up, Nathan?

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing?

[Kyle]

What's happening, dude?

[Caller Nathan]

Hey, what's going on? So about six months ago, I was almost £300. And so I'm 22 now. I'm at like 195, 6, 4. And so what started, it was, let's see, one day I was like heavy drinking. You know, I was really unhealthy. My buddy hit me up. He Told me I look rough and I should do the 75 hard challenge and that's what started it all. So I did that. I used AI through most of it and then turns out half that was wrong. So weird. It's like, oh, so I thought. So I thought I was eating 1800 calories. It turns out I was eating around 1500, 1600 calories every day. This was what I did when I started out. So Christmas and Thanksgiving came around, I kind of dropped off. And then after that I went on like a hard 14 undercut for like a month. And now currently I'm standing at 195 chat. GBTS is around 1416 body fat. And now I'm working out on a chat GPT provided workout plan and that's what I'm doing now.

[Justin Andrews]

Cool, man.

[Adam Schafer]

How are the calories right now?

[Justin Andrews]

Well, hold on. Why'd you call us?

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah,

[Caller Nathan]

so I don't know where to go from where I'm at. I don't know what to do.

[Justin Andrews]

Did you ask Chad to be teams?

[Caller Nathan]

I kind of just stopped using AI altogether recently. About a couple months ago.

[Justin Andrews]

Hey, can we back back up for a second? Because I was reading your email and it was. You wrote in your email what your friend said to you.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, he called me a fat piece of.

[Adam Schafer]

And then that's a good buddy right there.

[Kyle]

That's a good friends like that around.

[Justin Andrews]

Hey, are you familiar with there's a proverb, Proverb 27:17. It's like as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another. It's so crazy because it's like, you know, for people listening to this, guys get this. So women listening are like, oh my God, your friend said that to you. I can't believe it. But like when you got a close buddy, it's pretty interesting what they could say to you. That'll. That'll get you to move in a particular direction. So he must be a good friend of yours for that to work.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, he's the one that got me kicked. So like a week later after he said that, I locked in. I went cold turkey on alcohol because I was drinking every day for like two years. I went cold turkey on that. I got lucky because apparently there could be serious health problems with doing that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, good for you, bro. First off, yeah, like incredible discipline. That's a hard thing to stop. The alcohol plus the eating, those are both ways of self medicating something so phenomenal. Now where you're at now, there's a very clear path to getting you to a place where There, you're gonna feel way better, way stronger, and it's gonna be much more sustainable.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. What we need to do is. We need to do it. Have you listened to the podcast? Have you heard us talk about reverse dieting?

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah. So, okay, so for me listening to y'.

[Justin Andrews]

All.

[Caller Nathan]

So I found y' all in January. I started reverse dieting in. In the middle of January because I was at, like, 1800 calories. So right now I'm maintenancing at 3, 000 calories right now.

[Kyle]

Oh, good job. Good job.

[Adam Schafer]

And you're.

[Justin Andrews]

And you're. Are you lifting weights? Are you still doing The.

[Sal DeStefano]

The.

[Justin Andrews]

The garbage 75, whatever it's called?

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, I'm lifting weights. I'm doing some strength training by, like, AI.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, how many days.

[Adam Schafer]

How many days a week are you lifting? Right now?

[Caller Nathan]

I try to go for three or four.

[Justin Andrews]

All right. Is it full body, or is it, like a split?

[Caller Nathan]

So I listen to y. I switch to full body.

[Justin Andrews]

Good, good. How's your strength?

[Caller Nathan]

I get. I can bench 205 for two reps. I could squat 235.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, how was this?

[Caller Nathan]

I don't really.

[Justin Andrews]

How was this? How. Versus how you started? Like, how big of an improvement was that for you?

[Caller Nathan]

I've seen a lot of strength gains because I started around 125, 130 on bench, and I'm halfway close to 200 now.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You're doing good.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes. And are you seeing pretty good strength gains through the reverse dive? It.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah. Yeah. I feel so much more better and way stronger.

[Kyle]

I bet.

[Justin Andrews]

Bro, you're killing it.

[Adam Schafer]

Are you. Are you maintaining weight, too? At. At 3,000 calories, are you holding you around 195? Is that where you're at?

[Caller Nathan]

I'm flexing between 180, 185. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, bro.

[Adam Schafer]

And eating 3,000.

[Justin Andrews]

You're doing good, bro. You're doing great. So what are the challenges that you're. That you're running into right now? Are there any challenges, or are you just asking us to see if you're on the right track?

[Caller Nathan]

So right now I feel, like, really small. I want to get bigger.

[Justin Andrews]

I don't.

[Caller Nathan]

I feel, like, really skinny.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, all right. Yeah. I'll send you a program that'll help.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, we'll bump your cat. If you've been holding. If you've been holding your weight around 185, 190, and you're. And you're at 3,000 calories, we can jump to 3, 500. Put you on a program, and. And then you will start gaining.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Nathan]

So jump down with that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. We. Let's. Let's. What's your protein intake at? You hitting at least 200 grams, I think around.

[Caller Nathan]

It fluctuates between 200 to 225.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, you're great, bro. You're doing good. Let's put you on mass power level lift.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, I'll do that.

[Justin Andrews]

Let's get you strong as hell. Bump your calories between, you know, 4 to 500 calories. And let's get you really strong. And then there's a second part to your question. You might want to be a trainer.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, I was looking into being a trainer. I got a CPT workout, like a certificate training course, and I've been setting up on that. I've listened to every podcast so far for the Academy podcast. I've done the 30 days of coaching, and I've listened to over 100 episodes of Y'.

[Adam Schafer]

All.

[Kyle]

Oh, good.

[Justin Andrews]

That's great, bro. So you got the NASM cpt. Is that what you're on?

[Caller Nathan]

It's called Action cbt.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Caller Nathan]

A cheaper version.

[Justin Andrews]

Have you. Have you finished it yet, or are you just getting into it?

[Caller Nathan]

I'm still in the middle of taking my classes.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, good deal. After that, look at our course, because it will teach you how to build your business. And I'm just. Just to encourage you. Nathan, in my experience, one of the best ways to maintain what you're doing, including the sobriety, is to train other people. Like when you start to pour, because right now you're fixing you and you've done a great job, dude. This is, like, incredible success story. But one of the best ways to maintain that is to pour into other people, is to help other people through this process and through that. That'll give you so much more. It's so rewarding, Especially if you like people, especially if you want to help people, especially if you feel so blessed by what you've been able to accomplish. Being a personal trainer will be so amazing for you, dude. So in so many different ways. Doing really good, bro. Yeah, doing really good.

[Adam Schafer]

Especially from where. Where you came from, how hard you went, and then to be back up to 3, 000 calories holding your weight, that's. You're in a good place, dude.

[Justin Andrews]

In a really good place.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah. Growing up, I didn't really have a mentor and anybody to look up to, so I didn't really have, like, a career or future to choose. And then when I started listening to y', all it's like they, like, snapped in me. I was like, dang, I want to be a personal trainer.

[Justin Andrews]

What a blessing, bro. What an absolute blessing. You mind if I ask you a couple? Because there's someone listening right now who I think who could really benefit from hearing more about your story. Do you mind if I ask you a couple more questions?

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. How's your. How do you feel emotionally, mentally, now versus before? Because obviously you're not self medicating with the food and the alcohol, but now you're working out, you're eating, you're strength training. What's the difference in how you feel, lifestyle, all that stuff?

[Caller Nathan]

I feel great. I don't feel as much stress as I used to. I mean, I feel. I'm. I feel like I can move more every day. I don't feel lazy anymore. I don't feel like sitting around the house like I used to. I want to get out and do something, and I basically just want to be more productive and keep moving, to be honest.

[Justin Andrews]

That's great, dude. That's great, bro. Thanks for calling in, man. Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

We'll send over the maps Power lift to you. Bump your calories to about 3,500calories. Maintain that through the whole program.

[Justin Andrews]

You want to get back on in three months, I'd love to talk to you again.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm down. Yeah, I'm down with that.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, let's do it, bro. And keep us. Keep in touch with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

3500. Follow power lift. Just get strong and I watch what happens in three months.

[Caller Nathan]

All right, man. Appreciate y'.

[Justin Andrews]

All.

[Adam Schafer]

You got it, brother.

[Justin Andrews]

All right, bro. Great story.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. Great story. What a testament to just how resilient the body can be at a young age like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You know, to be able to cut that drastic, that aggressive, and then instantly he can be back up to 3, 000 calories.

[Justin Andrews]

You also are looking at. It's not just the cut in calories. What you're looking at was the amount that he was probably drinking because we didn't get into it. But it sounded like, yeah, it was a problem. It sounded like it was a problem. How damaging that is to the body. And the reason why it sounds like it's a lot is because he said the way he stopped could have been dangerous. In order for that to happen, you have to be drinking a lot.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, and to put on that much weight, that much weight on a 6, 4 body frame is at that young of an age, means you're putting down

[Justin Andrews]

calories, but not even just that. There's a certain level of alcohol consumption where it gets so bad that if you cut cold turkey, actually die because of the withdrawal. So he must have been drinking a lot. So the switch, thankfully, he was okay with it, but it made him so much healthier, which is where we get a lot of resilience, and it's just such a incredible success story. But I do love how he talked about his friend. And you know what? This is just listen, I'm saying this.

[Kyle]

Look at what that spark, though.

[Justin Andrews]

There is a difference between men and women and how we receive certain information. And guys. Guys know this. If you have a buddy that you trust, they can say things to you that nobody else can say. Super blunt. Yeah. And it can snap you into action, which is. Which is great. And I'm glad that it worked for him, and I can't wait to hear about his success. And to be honest with you guys, just between us, like, I want to keep hearing about this because these are the kind of trainers I want working for us, these kind of success stories.

[Sal DeStefano]

So our next caller is Cindy from Connecticut.

[Justin Andrews]

Hi, Cindy.

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing?

[Caller Cindy]

Cindy, how are you?

[Justin Andrews]

Good. How can we help you?

[Caller Robin]

Good.

[Caller Cindy]

I. I have a little bit of history. First of all, thank you so much for letting me be on here. I have a little bit of history to tell you. Not. Not too remote, but in 2024, I began taking tirzepatide for weight loss. And during this time, I would listen to your podcast, and I would listen because I wanted information on muscle building, because I knew that fast weight loss can stimulate muscle loss. So I knew I would hear that you said that you needed to bulk to gain muscle. And as I listened to that, I was like, oh, baloney. I didn't like that. Listen to everything else she had to say, but I just kind of was like. Like, no, no. So during that time, I was a family, or I am a family nurse practitioner, and I owned my own practice, and I was prescribing semaglutide, and I would als always tell my patients, make sure you lift weights, eat at least 100 grams of protein. Now, I know that that's not enough, but from my own experience, and so I would impress that upon them. But fast forward to March of 2025. I found out I had breast cancer, and I had to have a double mastectomy and then breast reconstruction. So during that time, weightlifting was not an option. I stopped taking the tirzepatide, which is. Is what Most people know is zepbound. So during that time, I couldn't lift weights because I had one surgery, couldn't lift weights, had another surgery. So 2025 was not that great for weightlifting. So I started lifting weights in November

[Caller Robin]

for about a month.

[Caller Cindy]

In June of last year, I found out that I had osteoporosis. And I declined the medications and wanted to do lifestyle to see if I could reverse that. So my endocrinologist, God bless her, sent me to physical therapy and I had been reading about the liftmore trials and I knew I wanted to do that. You know, once I found out I had osteoporosis, I realized that you, you really have to lift heavy. So I was concerned about hurting myself and my plan was to hire a personal trainer. But she sent me to pt. During this time, I sold my practice because, you know, when I found out I had osteoporosis, I was like, that's it, I'm done. Sold my practice and I'm going to be a gym rat in garden. That was my plan. So, so I, I, I went to the physical therapist and I started out training. And December 5th was my first day. I barbell squatted 55 pounds. And just this Monday, I, I barbell squat 110. So I'm increasing deadlift. Started out at 75. I ended up at 115. But I, in December, I had a DEXA scan because I wanted to see exactly how much muscle mass I had. Not so much for bone density, I already had that, but fat and muscle mass. So I had gained 12 pounds during this time. I was trusting the process, but I gained 12 pounds and I seven and a half pounds of it in 13 weeks.

[Adam Schafer]

Was muscle nice, very good.

[Caller Cindy]

And I'm 61 years old. I'm five five or they tell me five, four and a half now. But I started out at 153 and I'm now 164. So I have been consuming 130, 250 grams of protein without fail daily since, I guess, November. I'm eating much cleaner. My calories have been about 1750 per day for the past five weeks. It's been about 1900 and I've gained, I think five pounds in the past month. I walk a lot and, but I'm increasing that now that the weather's getting nicer. But I want to know, am I at a point where I could start to cut calories? No, because I'm still, I'm still gaining weight.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no, no, you're still too low.

[Justin Andrews]

Cindy.

[Adam Schafer]

We still gotta go more.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. First, let me start off. You're so lovely. I really appreciate you calling in and I like you a lot and I think you're moving in the right direction, but you're scared of the scale. And I'm just gonna tell you, if you. We gotta make a choice here. What's more important to you? Bone strength and longevity or the scale? You got to make a choice right now. Okay.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah, 100%.

[Justin Andrews]

If I was coaching you, we don't

[Adam Schafer]

even need the scale.

[Justin Andrews]

I would not let you weigh yourself because that's going to mess with you.

[Caller Cindy]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Definitely not in a place to cut. You're at 1900 calories. Where are we going to go? 1400 calories. We'll see a little bit of weight loss and then we'll plateau and we'll stop all the strength gains and muscle gains and increases in bone density.

[Kyle]

Progress.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. That we're seeing bone density increases, follow strength increases. Now, muscle mass is a proxy for strength. So muscle gain is great. The best measure is. Or the best correlate to bone density is increased tension on the bone, which comes from strength.

[Caller Cindy]

Right.

[Justin Andrews]

So that's what we're looking for, strength. So if you're going to track anything, it's going to be strength. That's the most important thing. Are you working with the trainer, by the way, or you're working with a PT to do all the.

[Caller Cindy]

Right. Well, so I was working. I'm. I was working with the PT since December up until Monday this week. And I'm done. I'm done with her because insurance is paying for it because I have the osteoporosis diagnosis.

[Justin Andrews]

Got it.

[Caller Cindy]

But it, you know, they're not going to let me. They're not going to pay for a personal trainer.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Cindy]

So I'm pretty independent. I'm independent. I know when I need to, you know, increase the weights and stuff.

[Kyle]

Stuff.

[Caller Cindy]

And I. I have a membership at Planet Fitness with my son. With my son. So we're going to be going there. So I have a couple of questions about that because now I'm going to be by myself.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Cindy]

And I have to be able to, you know, because I never thought I could lift as heavy as what she showed me. I never would have done it if I didn't. Hadn't had a trainer at all.

[Justin Andrews]

And you're. And you're going to get a lot stronger than that.

[Kyle]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Or is working with a trainer once a week feasible?

[Caller Cindy]

Well, I have a lot of ideas. There's a new gym in our Area that has like group.

[Justin Andrews]

No, no, no, no. Group.

[Adam Schafer]

No, no.

[Justin Andrews]

You got.

[Adam Schafer]

You need one on one.

[Justin Andrews]

Yes, but. But I need to know if it's feasible because then I have some other potential options for you.

[Caller Cindy]

Well, I don't know what, what resources it would.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay, so typically where are you located? I might have better.

[Caller Cindy]

Connecticut.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. So a personal trainer is probably going to cost you anywhere between 70 to $100 a session. A good one. So you're probably looking at 4 to

[Adam Schafer]

500 bucks a month.

[Justin Andrews]

4 to $500 a month to work with a good trainer. And the kind of trainer that you're going to want in person is someone with a correctional exercise background and someone with experience training people like you. Okay.

[Caller Cindy]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

So that's what you want to work with. With. And so those are the questions. How long have you been training people and have you trained a lot of people like me? In fact, if you go into a gym, the best way to find this out is to talk to the fitness manager and you're going to tell them, I want to work with a trainer. I will hire a trainer. But here's what I'm looking for. Then the fitness manager will know who to set you up with. And then you could take it from there. But you wouldn't need more than once a week. Week with a trainer.

[Adam Schafer]

That's your, that's your best option. If that's not an option or that's not feasible, then for under a hundred bucks a month, you could join our muscle mommy group, which I think you get tremendous value.

[Justin Andrews]

And that's more like virtual coaching.

[Adam Schafer]

It's virtual coaching, but you're meeting. We have once a week meets in there. It's all women. Most, a lot. Most of them are on reverse diets or working on very similar goals as you have. And so it's an incredible community of other women trying to build muscle. Reverse dieting. And one of our best coaches. Two of our best coaches are in there and they're in their weekly meeting with all the ladies. And so that would be a great option. Obviously in person, like Sal's recommending would be the best.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Because that would allow someone to actually take you through the exercises.

[Adam Schafer]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

And watch your dynamics and do all that stuff. How long were you working with a physical therapist?

[Caller Cindy]

Since December 5th.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Okay. So I mean, if you strength train and do it well and work with a coach for the next, let's say six months to a year, that is about as long as it'll take for you to be able to get a really good feel for how to perform exercises and how to progressively overload yourself. It does take that long. So people often think, well, I just need to learn the exercise. But there's a much longer learning process with knowing what it feels like to go heavier and how to lift properly and all that stuff. So. So it would be about six months to a year. But once a week is all you would need. And I'm not joking, you would only need once a week with a trainer. And then another day a week, you could go to the gym and do the easy strength training stuff. So you could leave the easy exercises for yourself to go in. And so you're only gonna strength train twice a week? That's it. The rest of the week?

[Caller Cindy]

That's all I have then. Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Good. And all you would do the rest of the week is walking. And you would see nice, consistent increases in strength. And I would want you to eat more calories. I still would want you to bump your calories. I think a good start would be to go up 200 calories.

[Adam Schafer]

A good start would go up 200 more.

[Caller Robin]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

And then the goal would be to stay there. And then when we start seeing strength increases and. Or this is where the coaching is nice. Right. Is because I'd be talking to you on a weekly basis, is if I hear you telling me things like, man, Adam, my appetite's increasing. That's a good sign. To me, that means our metabolism is kicking up. And then I'd probably bump you again.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

So I'm watching both strength and I'm listening to you with appetite. And if I hear appetite increases, I'm bumping calories. If I start to see strength grains in the gym, I'm bumping calories. So you can support that continued growth.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. And so. And this is what. Just to comfort you and encourage you a little bit. This is what fat loss looks like. When you do it through strength training, you tend to go up first before you see the fat loss.

[Caller Cindy]

Right.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. So, so, so. And that. Why? Because the metabolic rate kicks up with the muscle, then the fat loss starts to happen. Weighing yourself on the scale is going to mess with your head through this process, I promise you.

[Caller Cindy]

I know, I know, I know, I know. You're right, you're right, you're right.

[Justin Andrews]

But I will say this. Building bone. And I have more questions for you, but I'll get to. But building bone is as predictable and consistent as building muscle. It's not this. It's not this mysterious, weird thing like, oh, my God, how do we do this. It's literally as consistent and predictable as building muscle, barring any crazy autoimmune issue or something like that. Okay. Right. It's very. Cons. I've done it so many times with people, and the two things that prevent it from happening are inadequate nutrient. So it could be not enough calories. That's very common. It could be a nutrient deficiency. Sometimes the women that I would train were so afraid of eating too much fat that their fat intake was too low, and so I'd have to bump their fat intake. In other words, Cindy, I wouldn't want you eating anything less than, like, 65 grams of fat a day. I don't know what your fat intake looks like, but if.

[Caller Cindy]

About 85. Okay, you're good. Doctor. I document everything. I have it. You know, being a nurse practitioner, I have it. My calories, the protein, it's all. I have it so dialed in. And I'm sure I don't really know what to do with the fat and carbs, though.

[Justin Andrews]

Whatever feels good.

[Caller Cindy]

I used to be a very low carver, you know.

[Justin Andrews]

No, whatever feels good. Whatever feels right to you.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, we would. So what we. I would do with you is I would play with the two of them. In other words, you know, one week, the way we get those extra 200 calories, I would bump your fats, and I'd ask you, how does that feel? How's your digestion? And then you give me food back.

[Caller Robin]

Back.

[Adam Schafer]

Do you like eating that? Hopefully, that'll. If you don't, then I'd say, hey, next week, let's. Let's get those extra 200 calories with carbs. And then I'd say, how do you feel? All the same questions. And then we do something somewhere in the middle. Half from carbs, half of it. And, like, really? Because at that point, if you're hitting protein intake, you're hitting a good minimum number of fat. Like Sal said, if you're hitting 80 grams, you're doing good. So if you're doing. If you're getting the minimum I want of fat, you're getting the. What we need protein, then we can really divide up the. The carbs and fat however you like.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep. Yep.

[Adam Schafer]

However you like, and whatever makes you feel better.

[Justin Andrews]

Whatever.

[Adam Schafer]

And. And most importantly, since the main thing we should all be focusing on right now is strength, that's actually what I'm wanting to know the most from you is like, hey, which ones are fueling those workouts? When you eat 200 grams of carbs or something, does that all sudden make you have great workouts or does it not. Does it make you feel lethargic and you don't feel good? So I would like to hear your performance from messing with those.

[Caller Cindy]

Well, it's funny, after I wrote this letter to you, so that was about a month ago, I started getting really, really achy and fatigued, you know, and not achy like, you know, like doms or anything like that. Just like this joint hurts, this spot hurts. So now it moved over here, blah, blah, blah. So I was talking to my, my trainer and she said, why don't we deload you?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Cindy]

So a couple of weeks ago, we did. Instead of doing four sets, we did, did two sets for two weeks.

[Justin Andrews]

Did it feel better?

[Caller Cindy]

I did. I felt a lot better.

[Justin Andrews]

Good.

[Caller Cindy]

But yeah, so I, I went back to my full thing. So could that be I needed more calories or just, just. It was just time to just take a break?

[Justin Andrews]

It could be both. It could be both. Yeah. So they, they've done studies on deloads and well trained athletes, like young men. Okay. Well trained athletes. So we're talking about even a, a category where they have even greater recovery and all that's stuff. The groups that do the deload week build 20 to 29% more strength and muscle than the ones that don't. So it's just the recovery thing.

[Kyle]

Recovery.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Now lack of calories can definitely hamper recovery. So it could have been both. But I think your physical therapist was totally right on point. I'm assuming you're supplementing with all the essential nutrients. You probably have your vitamin D levels tested.

[Caller Cindy]

I've got, I take essential amino acids. I read that the essential amino acids that are not the branch chain amino acids not only help with osteoporosis because you build muscle, but they also support osteoblast activity and suppress osteoclast.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right.

[Caller Cindy]

And I was like, I'm buying. I'm taking more. I'm spending a lot of money.

[Justin Andrews]

Are you taking creatine?

[Caller Cindy]

Yes.

[Justin Andrews]

Good, good.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah. 20. 20 grams a day.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, you're killing it.

[Caller Robin]

I'm very puffy.

[Justin Andrews]

No, no, no, you're doing great. You're doing great. And bone density. You don't even need 20 grams.

[Caller Cindy]

Shillajit. I take that too.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're doing great. You're doing everything right. You're doing good. Yeah, we just bump the calories, work with a good trainer. I know it's a large investment, but it will set you up. It'll It'll set you up forever.

[Adam Schafer]

If you can't do that, at least get in the muscle mommy movement. You will get a lot of value.

[Justin Andrews]

Here's the perfect. This would be the perfect formula. Cindy, I'll give you the perfect, perfect formula. You would work with one of our coaches in what we call concierge coaching. And here's what I. Here, here's why that would be a good addition. They'll help you with the reverse diet. They'll help you through the process. That's what they'll focus on, the nutrition aspect of it. They will also be able to coach you to find the right trainer. Whenever I recommend somebody go find a personal trainer, there's always a piece of me. And I hate to say this because this is my field, but there's always a piece of me that's like, man, I hope they find a good trainer because there's our fingers.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah. With the liftmore trial, not. I mean, not everybody knows about that because you got of a lot lift heavy.

[Justin Andrews]

It's not just that. It's not just that. There are a lot of trainers that know exercises, but there's not a lot of trainers that know how to train people appropriately. It sounds like the physical therapist you work with was good, but there's a lot of trainers out there that they'll just beat you up. They'll just put you through a crazy workout, make you sweat. They don't understand correctional exercise. So if you working with one of our coaches in conjunction, you can ask them questions and they'll help coach you to find the right coach that you could work with. Then if you work with both of them, you're. You're perfect. You've got not. You've got the diet, you've got the workout. Maybe give yourself six months of this. At the end of that, you can reassess. Do I feel like I'm good going off on my own? It is a large investment, but it's. It's not a forever one. And then you're. And then you'd be totally set. And, oh, here's the other question. Are you on Novodex or any. Are they doing anything hormonally with you? Are they blocking estrogen receptors?

[Caller Cindy]

Are they doing anything like that, that they. Tamoxifen oncologist wanted me on estrogen blockers.

[Caller Robin]

I wouldn't go on it.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Caller Cindy]

My. I'm a bad patient. I. Because, you know, what am I going to do? I'm going to take this medication that's going to turn me into a 90 year old in six months, and I won't be able to lift a feather.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Caller Cindy]

So.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Okay, we're good then. That was just. There was just another consideration.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah. I have another question. I. I went. I went from deadlift at 105 pounds to 115. I don't know if that was too big of a jump or if that was too big of a jump in a month, but I just. I feel like my lower back is so tired. And when I first started doing deadlifts, it was like I had a new life. And I could. I could empty the dishwasher without straining my back. I could feed the chickens without straining my back. I could, you know, everything was easy. Now I feel like my back is, like, vulnerable.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it depends on your technique, the intensity, how you're progressing. I'd have to watch you to know

[Kyle]

if the frequency of that exercise.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. So let me do this. Let me have one of our coaches call you. They can answer more questions. Concierge coaching. When they call, you say, hey, Sal mentioned concierge coaching. Essentially you would meet with them monthly and they would work on your nutrition, but then they'd also coach you on finding a good coach, and then they can work together for you.

[Adam Schafer]

I want you to do that or the muscle mommy movement at the bare minimum, Cindy, because even with that. So to what you're asking about the deadlift, you're. You're. One of our trainers would have you video yourself deadlifting, and they'd be able to coach you virtually and say, oh, I noticed this. Or. And they'll be able to be able to look at the way you move and be able to give you some. Some feedback at least. Obviously, coaching with a trainer in person, that's. With a good trainer is ideal, but if, at the bare minimum, having someone with virtually will help, too. So we're gonna help you through this.

[Caller Cindy]

Okay. Thank you so much.

[Justin Andrews]

All right.

[Caller Cindy]

I really enjoy your show and thank you for, you know, how you stand on your faith and everything, you know.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.

[Caller Cindy]

I love that. I do, too. I. I appreciate it. I. I like how you. You talk about it. You know, Jesus said that, you know, any man declares me before men, I will declare him before the father. And you're doing that. That's awesome.

[Justin Andrews]

Thank you so much. And you are doing a great job, Cindy.

[Adam Schafer]

You are.

[Justin Andrews]

You wait, you see, if you do this right and you're consistent and you train properly, you're going to see your bone density improve. It's Very, very predictable.

[Caller Cindy]

Oh, thank you.

[Justin Andrews]

You got it.

[Caller Cindy]

Some people say, oh, no, you can't do it on your own. Can't be done. Can't be done.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you're doing it. You're doing it.

[Justin Andrews]

I've done it every single time I've tried. You're doing it.

[Adam Schafer]

Stay the course.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah. It takes work. It's easy to take a pill or take a shot.

[Justin Andrews]

That's right. Right.

[Caller Cindy]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. Well, great job.

[Kyle]

100%.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I hope.

[Justin Andrews]

I hope I see you with our coaches. If they. If they end up working with you, I'll pop in and say hi.

[Caller Robin]

Okay, great. Thank you.

[Kyle]

All righty.

[Caller Robin]

All right.

[Caller Cindy]

Take care. Bye.

[Adam Schafer]

Bye.

[Justin Andrews]

You know, I'm so glad she said that last part about bone density. The reason why it's so hard. Hard to increase bone density is because it requires systematic application of proper strength training and proper diet. And it takes coaching. It is not a prescription. You tell the average person with osteoporosis or osteopenia, oh, you got to go lift weights and then make sure you eat right. Huh? Yeah. What does that look like? Weight bearing, exercise. I guess I wear a weight vest when I walk. Or maybe I'll go try something. They don't know intensity. They don't know exercise. They don't. And. And then. And then on top of it. Oftentimes, this is people who are afraid of gaining weight. And so then, like, her. Her calories, they weren't even super low, but they're still too low. And so you have women I've trained, I've worked with so many women who've come to me who've been osteopenia. So this is before osteoporosis. We're like, but I lift weights. I don't know what's going on. I look at the diet. You're not eating enough. Let's bump your calories. Boom. Bone density goes up. Yep.

[Sal DeStefano]

Our next caller is Rodney from Wisconsin.

[Justin Andrews]

What's up, Rodney?

[Caller Rodney]

Hey, guys. Thanks for all the content and everything you do. I'll just jump right into it because I don't want to forget something here.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Caller Rodney]

All right. I'm 49 years old, 6 foot and 210 pounds. I'm a husband and father of two girls, ages 10 and 6. We are quite busy, especially now as I coach both girls softball teams, and the oldest is in travel. I consistent consistently eat 200 grams of protein, and I'm currently eating about 3200 calories a day. I average 10,000 steps a day. I take magnesium glycinate and ashwagandha and my diet is about 90% whole foods. I work four 10 hour days as a delivery driver for a major soda brand which can be quite physical. Prior to last September, I was training for Ultramarathons and did that for about the past five years or so. And I would run anywhere from 30 to 80 miles a week. And I also lifted one to two times a week too. I realized I enjoyed being in the gym more than running because it felt like a part time job. And so I started Anabolic. I recognized that that was too much, so I switched to Maps 15. At first I was skeptical, thinking it wasn't enough. But my strength started going up in the gym and at work and I just felt more energetic overall. So the beginning of this year I started working on sleep, which is difficult because I wake up at 3am for work. But I'm trying to get in bed by 8, 8:30. Now ultimately, ultimately I'd like to get to 15 body fat because I just feel like I'm doing all the right things. So I started Symmetry 15 on a cut at 2,500 calories. But I started to feel more sluggish at work and at the gym. So I pushed my calories back up to 3200 and it was like instantly within a few days I felt better, stronger lists were going up again. So I feel like I'm ready to take off. I just need the right flight plan, you know what I'm saying? Do I keep trying to push up the calories and then just cut them slowly? My thought was power lift 15 after this. I'm in phase three right now. Symmetry 15.

[Justin Andrews]

There's two approaches. So you got a pretty busy life. You move along lot because of your job. Your sleep is not optimal. I know you're working on it, but you know you're probably getting six and a half hours most nights. Right. Which is best at best. Right. So that's, that's really plays a big role in recovery and stuff like that. So there's really two approaches with this approach run. One is you, you, you hover around 3200. You manage your sleep like focus on that and just let your body slowly improve. Option two is you bump your calories and see where that, where that takes in. How do you feel what you don't want to do is go on any cuts. I don't, I think a cut for you would be not a good idea whatsoever. You'll feel it right away. Which like you did.

[Caller Rodney]

Which I did.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah. So I don't think it's a good idea to go on a cut at all. So you could stay at about 3200 and just kind of do this nice, you know, recomp and really try to get to sleep, that's gonna make the biggest difference. But mass 15 protocol is best. Dude, I wouldn't add any additional exercise because your activity and your lack of sleep and just stay nice and consistent with that. And then again, you could play with increasing calories. You could bump it to 34. And if you feel better and you're stronger, then stay there. Then just stay there. But definitely don't do a cup.

[Caller Nathan]

Okay.

[Caller Rodney]

All right.

[Justin Andrews]

That's it.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, I think you're doing really good. It's if I have a client who has a lot of discipline around eating and if I tell them, hey, let's go up to 3, 500 calories and they can do that through good food choices and that it's not difficult for them versus a client who I tell to do that too, and then all of a sudden it gives them permission to eat treats and do other. That's the client. I, I would say stay at your 3200, but if you feel like I could bump to 3400, 3500, I'll do it through whole foods. And I don't have a problem keeping that discipline to do that. Then I think there's some value in increasing calories and seeing if you notice a difference in performance inside the gym and, and keep going that direction because what that will do is if, if you see an increase in performance by bumping calories, it also might improve sleep. And then all of a sudden we get to a place where you're eating 36,3800 calories and you're not putting on body fat that now we're at a place where we can come back down to 3,003, 200 calories and you'll lean out and you'll still feel satisfied. And so that's kind of the other. Those are the two options I see here. I see either just hovering where you're at because it sounds like you found kind of this spot where it's like anything lower, you don't feel good. So I don't want to cut you from there. 3, 000 calories for a 6 foot 200 some pound guys you want to be eating around that. Like, I mean even when I was at peak competing, I never like to get below 2500. And that's trying to get crazy for a Stage, and that's unhealthy healthy. So most of the time I'd want to be well into 3,000plus. And you're an active guy, so those would be the two options. If you want to try and play with the calories, bump them. I would only just caution you if you're the type of person who know when you, oh, I gotta bump calories. So all of a sudden you start eating out of bounds and 3, 400 turns into 3, 900 or 4, 000 quickly, then maybe that's not the best strategy. But if you're. If you're good, I. I'd push you up if you were.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, I don't. I think you'll feel better with adding 200 calories.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

How many, likely. How many days a week are you. You work for five days a week,

[Caller Rodney]

four days a week.

[Justin Andrews]

Four days. On your three days off, what does your sleep look like?

[Caller Rodney]

It's better.

[Justin Andrews]

But how. How is it better? Like, what time do you go to bed and wake up?

[Caller Rodney]

Pretty much right around the same time because I'm so tired.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Caller Rodney]

So I try to get to bed by those days. Nine, nine thirty. And I'm in bed till six.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Your. Your bed, your best bet is to try and keep it consistent all week long. And what's more important is going to bed at the same time. So sleeping in a little bit is better than going to bed later. What you don't want to do is throw off your circadian rhythm. Because here's the deal. It's very. Because your sleep is so. It's kind of subpar consistently. It's very touching. It's very touchy. So on the days off, if you're like, I want to sleep in, go to bed at 8 and sleep in versus go to bed at 9 and sleep in. Okay. It doesn't sound like a big difference, but for someone like you that's kind of on the edge, that would make a better. That would make a better impact.

[Adam Schafer]

Rodney, are you going off of just feel or do you have any metrics? Like, do you have like a Fitbit or Ora ring or any of those things? Any tools like that to track sleep?

[Caller Rodney]

Just a Garmin that I wear.

[Adam Schafer]

Okay.

[Justin Andrews]

Is it.

[Adam Schafer]

Does it have. Does it have sleep? Does it give you.

[Caller Rodney]

It has sleep. Yeah, it gives sleep scores and.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Caller Rodney]

I've been really paying attention to that a lot lately.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. I mean, for someone like you, I find a lot of like, sleep has been my main focus for like the last six months. I'VE been really tweaking things and. And I think just having a Feed a tool like that to give me feedback of. Oh, I, you know, I made sure to hit my magnesium. Oh, I noticed I turned the TV off by this time. Oh, I had dinner at this time. And like, in paying attention to those little minor tweaks, I know it sounds

[Justin Andrews]

like a pain in the butt. Butt. But in your case, because this. This is like a. It's very difficult because you wake up so early. It is an area of focus, so. Because I know it's like, oh, my God, I got to go to bed at 8. And, you know, it's like a big thing, but. But that's like the big. Like, your training is good, your diet is good. The thing that you could. That you. If you focused on that would cause the biggest improvements. It would be sleep.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Caller Rodney]

Okay. Yeah, I definitely feel like I can. Could push the calories more because I feel like I'm always hungry anyway, so.

[Justin Andrews]

Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

That's a good sign. Then that's.

[Justin Andrews]

Go up to 3,400 calories.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. Bump the calories and let's see what happens strength wise.

[Justin Andrews]

For sure.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. In the gym.

[Caller Rodney]

Okay. Yeah. Like the sleep thing, it's, you know, during the week when I do work, it's like I'm happy if I. My sleep score is in the 70s, you know, so.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, yeah, no, I feel you. No, that'll be the biggest impact, dude. But yeah, bump your calories after you said you were hungry. For sure. Bump your calories.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay.

[Adam Schafer]

All right.

[Caller Rodney]

Well, that was pretty easy.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, it is. Good job, dude.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, not.

[Caller Rodney]

But not really.

[Justin Andrews]

But no, good. Good job. Good job with trusting us. By the way, it's not easy for an ultra marathoner to look at math. To look at math 15 and be like, that's my workout.

[Caller Rodney]

Yeah, I know. It was like, that's it.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. But I'm glad you trusted it, dude. So good job for that.

[Caller Rodney]

Yeah, definitely.

[Adam Schafer]

Give it up, brother.

[Caller Rodney]

Thanks, guys.

[Adam Schafer]

All right.

[Justin Andrews]

You got it. Yeah, that's good. Everybody looks at. Well, not everybody, but especially people. The history of just working their butts off with. With workouts. Looks at maps 15, two exercises.

[Adam Schafer]

I know we just recorded an episode the other day about Maps 15. It's just. It's been such an interesting journey. Like how we. I mean, look how long it took us before we wrote a program like that. And then the results that are people. I mean, it really highlights. That's the listener that we get.

[Justin Andrews]

It's just. It's the, it's most people. You know, when you look at the data on volume and training, the majority, the studies are done on college aged males who are, who don't have all this stuff going on. The average person's got a family, a job, stress. And it's not that it's this intensely stressed thing that's happening. It's just cumulative. Dude, this is how I've been living.

[Kyle]

Factor it in and it does make it.

[Justin Andrews]

I've been living like this for 10 years, 20 years. Yeah, it adds up. And so you just need the right dose and more than that sets you back. Yeah.

[Sal DeStefano]

Our next caller is Robin from Maryland.

[Justin Andrews]

Hi Robin.

[Adam Schafer]

How you doing, Robin?

[Caller Robin]

Hi there. How are you guys?

[Justin Andrews]

Good, how are you? How can we help you?

[Caller Robin]

Well, I'm gonna read just to get us started. I've listened to you guys and your podcast for many years. My daughter turned me on to your content years ago and I really enjoy what you guys have put out. I'd love your advice for someone in my particular situation. I'm a 60 year old woman in menopause. I'm between 55 and 56 right now, ranging around 130 to 134 pounds, which to me is a little higher than usual. I work as a real estate agent, very busy and one week every month. I'm also the primary caregiver for my elderly mother. So my schedule is pretty unpredictable. Generally eat pretty clean but. But probably only getting around 1700 calories a day, sometimes less. Realizing that on some of those days I may not be getting enough protein as well. Started tracking my macros again in the last few months, trying to get myself back on track, trying to steady the bit of weight gain I was seeing and just feeling overall frustrated. Feel like I'm not making progress aesthetically, especially since menopause. I know strength training would be beneficial for me to get back into and maintaining muscle and overall health, but I struggle to stay consistent with lifting because of my workload and caregiving responsibilities. Though when my kids were younger I was an avid lifter. I was at the gym all the time and I'd love to get myself back to some version of that same self. Love your advice on how to finally see the aesthetic changes I'm looking for again. Things seem exponentially more difficult in this stage of life. Struggling to find balance of health, longevity and aesthetic goals. Would love your input on how to finally start seeing physical changes in my body. Protect my hormonal metabolic health. I want to be strong and healthy as I Age, but feeling like I need some guidance and frankly a definitive plan. Thanks so much for your consideration.

[Justin Andrews]

Thank you so much for calling in. By the way, did you say 60? You look phenomenal.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, you look great.

[Caller Robin]

I am 60. Yeah. Just turned 60.

[Justin Andrews]

So you're okay. So I'm going to ask you a few more questions about your background a little bit with nutrition. Would you say in the past you've always been someone who kind of watches their diet so they don't gain weight? Is this like a pattern for you that you've always kind of.

[Caller Robin]

I've never needed to even consider it. I've always been very active. The weight I am now is probably the most I've ever weighed with the exception of being pregnant with four children. So me seeing those numbers now, I think that's the part that frustrates me because it's. It's harder for me to maintain where I've always been.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Are you afraid of eating more?

[Caller Robin]

Not afraid. I mean concerned. Because I know my activity level as far as being consistent with my lifts and my workouts fluctuate. So I have these conversations with my daughter frequently and she'll encourage me, you know, the same philosophies. And I think she called in a few weeks ago. You guys talked to her as well. I understand what the philosophy you guys have to build, build through it. So I know that's right. It does concern me. But I try to just not let the self chatter get in the way.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, because you would. You definitely are eating too little and I don't think you're inactive. Even if your workouts are inconsistent just based off of what you said and your schedule is so busy, I don't think you're like a sit around and do nothing kind of person. You're moving a lot. Your calories are too low to try to build into what you want. So everything. Your body's holding on to body fat because your calories are too low. And you can strength train all you want, but what's. Nothing's gonna happen unless we feed the muscle. And so the way to look. The way to look. And you'd have to get off the scale and not look at it for a little while because it'll mess with your health head. But the way this looks when you do it right is you build into the body that you want, which means the scale may move up a little bit, but then that metabolic rate kicks in and then the fat loss starts to happen. If we don't do that, we're just going to be spinning our tires in the dirt. You're just going to be staying in the same place and nothing's going to happen. You could cut your calories and you'll just end up losing muscle and energy and you'll just feel terrible. And so what's happening right now is your body is just holding on. You're eating just enough to stay where you're at. And what that's going to feel like is going to feel like burnout and fatigue because your body, because it's just not enough. Especially if you start to add strength, especially if you send a signal to burn calories, especially if you add more stress on your body, which is what exercise is. That's why it induces changes. It's a type of stress. It's a good stress, but without adequate consistent nutrition, calories and protein, it's just not gonna do anything. And so what this would look like, and this is easier said than done, would be a nice, controlled, monitored reverse diet. And through that process, proper strength training. And what we're looking for are strength gains. That's what we're gonna want. We want strength gains. And then that's what's gonna make you feel like your body's working for you again. Again. And what it feels like when people do this, right, people in your situation is the comments that people come back with is, I can't believe this is working and I'm getting leaner. I don't even feel like I'm trying is what it starts to feel like. Because your body's working for you right now, you're kind of fighting your body. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that you're just not, you're just not eating enough.

[Adam Schafer]

She's also, you mentioned aesthetics, Sal, what about like, I mean, thyroid and testosterone. Are you, has your doctor prescribed you thyroid or testosterone? Are you on anything right now?

[Caller Robin]

No, they've not. But I started working with a functional medicine doctor several years ago. Went through a lot of the testing. I was having some gut issues, so we did the Dutch test, among other things. I actually did a three month complete cleanse where I was gluten free, dairy free, histamine free, all at the same time, hard. But I'm a rule follower. So if it's what they told me I needed to do to get to the other side of it, I just did it. I felt great. I did drop a little bit of weight, but probably at that point I wasn't having the same considerations I'm having right now. I Just feel like the further along I get in menopause, the next birthday or whatever, I'm just watching numbers change and I don't know, I just. I don't like it because I don't like the overall composition of my body right now. That's probably it.

[Justin Andrews]

More than anything, you would get remarkable results if you allowed yourself to build. If you fueled it properly and allowed yourself to build muscle, you would get really good, nice, consistent results. Hormone therapy could be a cherry on top, but not necessary, a vortex. Worked with so many women in menopause, hormone therapy or not. And yeah, the hormone therapy helps, but it doesn't come close to proper strength training.

[Adam Schafer]

Well, yeah, she's not feeding with the extra hormones. It's not doing anything. But hormones with increased calories and strength training could be absolutely magical.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, totally. What would probably benefit you, will probably, definitely. What would benefit you, Robin, is to work with somebody through this process. Because a reverse diet is. It's great. Sounds great. On paper, you understand the philosophy, which, as you said, you understand our first philosophy. It sounds right. But there's a difference between knowing it in your head and then knowing it because you've experienced it. It's a very scary process. Oh, you want me to eat more? You want me to eat more? Like, what's going on here? And I'm working, I'm getting stronger, but I feel bigger, and that's not necessarily what I want. And it's a really difficult process for someone to get through without a coach coaching you through the process of doing it. You had said something, you just said something like, you know, I'm good at taking direction. If you're good. If you're really good at outsourcing this and allowing a coach to coach you through the process, that would be your best bet. And then they would take you through this process. And the reverse diet typically looks like, depending on the person, 100 to 200 calorie increase, and then we stabilize and then we do it again. And we monitor your strength training. We look at your strength gains and how you feel. And then depending on that, then we can bump it again. But with your activity level, your size, what you're looking to do, you're probably going to end up somewhere around 23 and 2400 calories.

[Kyle]

At least.

[Adam Schafer]

At least.

[Justin Andrews]

And that's, that's a lot more than you're eating now.

[Adam Schafer]

I would argue higher. I'd argue 26 to 2800. And then you'll eventually come back down. If we want to lean out from there. But there's no way I'm cutting calories until I get you up over 26.

[Justin Andrews]

No, I mean, if you just went up to 1800 calories right now, you. You'd feel. You'd feel great. Yeah, but I think it might mess with your head.

[Adam Schafer]

As I say you would, and you wouldn't. You'd feel great. Maybe in the gym and how you perform. But psychologically is the hardest part here. Whenever I take somebody on a reverse diet, especially if we're in menopause and stuff like that, it's the water weight fluctuation, the. The dips in energy up and down. A lot of this stuff starts to mess with my. And it's a constant conversation of, like, we're doing the right things. Trust the process. I got you. It's not the first time I've seen this. Stay the course. We're going to come out the other side, you know.

[Justin Andrews]

Can I ask you some more questions? Robin? Would you say that you're the kind of person that's like, you kind of wrap your hands around everything? I manage this, I manage that, I manage that. Okay. You got to outsource it. You got to outsource it, hon. I. I don't. I don't think adding more things for you to manage and control is a good idea.

[Kyle]

It's a lot of mental stress.

[Justin Andrews]

I think it might be a good idea to just here, give it to you, and then you tell me what to do, and I don't need to think about it, and I'm just going to trust you, and I'm going to trust you until I realize I don't need to trust you anymore, because I can see it's working. And that's probably going to take about six months. So if you know that about yourself, then I would work with a coach.

[Caller Robin]

Right. And, I mean, I used to, years ago, when I was at the gym all the time. I started with a coach, did that for, gosh, quite a while, and then became such good friends with the coaches that we became workout partners. And they were like, you push me as hard as I push you. Just come in. You know, we'll come in the same time, and I'm just going to jump in with you. And then that's how I trained for the next, gosh, probably eight years.

[Justin Andrews]

That's wonderful.

[Caller Robin]

But, you know, my life changed and, you know, things happened. A divorce came into play, and I, at that point, had to kind of adjust things that I was doing, and I became, or I stepped away from being a stay at home, Mom. With our four kids and started in real estate. So at that point, I was growing a new business, which has been wonderful to me, but I kind of sacrificed that other love that I had of the gym. And so that's kind of, to me right now is what's frustrating. I feel like I'm comparing myself to what used to be and trying to figure out, can I ever get there again? And not that I need to get there again, but at least to feel confident and strong. And

[Adam Schafer]

this is also one of those things that we cannot just will ourselves there, too. It's more of a delicate dance. When we were talking about hormones. Everything you have on your plate right now, where we're at calories, this isn't a matter of you pushing yourself harder or being so much like. It's. It's different. It's different at the stage of life you are at right now. And I think that's the value of the coach. A good coach will be able to coach you through that process as we have these setbacks and changes in schedule and the like. It's just.

[Justin Andrews]

It's also just Robin. It's also just Robin. It sounds like you've taken care of people for your whole life, and you got to let someone take care of you a little bit.

[Caller Nathan]

Yeah.

[Justin Andrews]

And so, I mean, you could try handling all of this on top of everything else that you're doing, but I don't know if that's a good idea. It sounds like you got your hands full. I've worked with people who've taken care, who've been caretakers for their parents, and I know what that place is on an individual. There's a lot of things to manage there. Plus, you got a business, so you might want to just. I really think your best bet is, like, I'm just going to give it to somebody. Can you take care of me? I'll do what you say. I'm not even gonna think about it. And then let's just go. And then six months into it, what'll probably happen is you're like, oh, my God, this is working. This feels good, and it's not scary anymore. And then you're set up.

[Caller Robin]

Yeah, I think that probably would be helpful. And I guess in the back of my head, I kind of knew that's the direction I needed to go. But I am who I am and try to. To take care of things myself and do as much as I can on my own, but I also have the personality to kind of push myself harder than I should. In that moment, I had a situation two years ago where I hadn't been working out. It was, you know, end of January. I'm feeling guilty that I hadn't been working out. I got back into running, started running some running on the treadmill with some elevation, trying to get my five miles that I had kind of intended I was going to. I just. I'd worked myself up to. Started having some knee pain and I did my entire self. Talk of pain is the body's way of releasing weakness.

[Caller Cindy]

Keep going.

[Caller Robin]

This is. You get what you get. You did this to yourself. Get. Get to the other side of it. By the end of the. By the end of it, I had a stress fracture and I was on crutches for the next six weeks. Not completely non weight bearing. So that's a little bit of my personality. And. No, it's not. It's not. You know, at this phase of my life, it's not necessarily. Doesn't hit me the same way it used to.

[Adam Schafer]

No.

[Justin Andrews]

Robin. Yeah. That has worked. I can relate. Yeah. You went through a divorce, you built a business taking care of mom, kids, eight grandchildren. That works until it stops.

[Adam Schafer]

So I think the good news is though, you're. You're a great client. So somebody like. I mean.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

Once you. Yeah. You don't. You don't lack discipline. And I, you know, know, you'll be. You'll do really, really well.

[Justin Andrews]

I prefer to kill it. I got. I prefer a client that I've got to pull back rather than just need

[Kyle]

great direction and a good quality coach.

[Justin Andrews]

I think six months would be a good start. I think six months would be a good start. We could reassess there. I could have one of our guys call you who manages this. And what they'll be able to do is identify who the best coach is for you to work with. And then let's go six months. Months. And let's take it from there. But I. I don't think it's a good idea to free to manage all this on your own anymore.

[Caller Robin]

I appreciate that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yep. Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

And then I'd love to check back in with you. I'd love to hear where we're at

[Justin Andrews]

because we'll see you in the coaching. I pop in.

[Caller Robin]

Yeah, that would be great. I'd like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Okay. Robin. All right. I'll have someone. I'll have someone reach out to you.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah. All right. Excited for you.

[Justin Andrews]

This will be good.

[Caller Robin]

Thanks.

[Adam Schafer]

All right.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah, dude, like, there comes a point first off, like divorce, which. Stay at home. Home built a business she's taking care of her mom. She said she has eight grandkids. Oh, yeah. Go manage your reverse diet. Manage your workout. Let's just add more stress on your plate, which is all this managing everything.

[Adam Schafer]

I mean, when you're a badass like that though, you, it's, what's one more thing you can take?

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Take it on too.

[Adam Schafer]

Feel like that.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah. But she's at a point now where she's like, this isn't working.

[Adam Schafer]

She'll be a great client though. But I'll tell you, you, I can tell the thing you, she's the type of person I'd be like, no, no, no. We're just gonna do this.

[Justin Andrews]

Yeah.

[Adam Schafer]

You know what I'm saying?

[Justin Andrews]

That's right.

[Adam Schafer]

Just trust me.

[Justin Andrews]

That's what the coach.

[Adam Schafer]

It's going to look like that. It's not going to be a lack

[Kyle]

of like, oh, you on top's not a good idea.

[Adam Schafer]

Yeah, yeah. So she's, she'll do good. If she, if she releases, outsources and then just trusts the process, she'll kill it. She'll absolutely kill it.

[Justin Andrews]

Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.

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