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Miracle Mentality with Tim Storey (Motivation, Self Help, and Mental Health)
How to Reinvent Yourself, Think Long-Term, and Stay Ahead in a Changing World | Dorie Clark | Motivation | E37
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You.
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Hello, my name is Tim Story. Welcome to Miracle Mentality.
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Remember rooftops, drawing spaceships on the ground.
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It's for the dreamers, the doers, the believers in something greater. In each episode, I'll invite you to rise above the mundane, to push past the messy and learn to live boldly in the miraculous. Every episode will have practical wisdom, spiritual insight, and my guests will explore what it takes to activate your miracle mindset. Remember to subscribe, follow and like. Welcome to the Miracle Mentality Podcast. I want to thank you again for making us consistently in the top 10, Spotify, Apple and wherever podcasts are listened to. I think there's a few reasons for that. I think number one is I have so many great guests. I bring on great guests and I also think that a lot of us realize the mindset is ours to set. I like what Carol Dweck says. There's a difference between a fixed mindset and a growth mindset. And we could have a growth mindset and that's what I'm all about. My guest today is a winner and is doing some amazing, amazing things. Let me just read a little bit. Number one, she's a best selling author, top business thinker and a teacher at Columbia Business School. That says a lot right there. She has written several books. The books are about transformation, reinventing, you stand out, entrepreneurial, you, the long game. And she has inspired millions to rethink success and build their lives of lasting meaning. Now the thing that kind of blew me away, she started college at the age of 14, and we'll talk to her a little bit about that. And also went to Harvard Divinity School, but for theology. So we have that in common, that we have theological backgrounds. So let's welcome to the podcast Dori Clark. Hi, Dorie.
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Tim. I'm so glad to be talking with you. Thanks for having me.
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What did you think about that introduction?
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Well, it was very complimentary. I appreciate it, man. Thank you.
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It's kind of weird, like, when somebody reads all that stuff off about us, right? We're like, wow, that really did happen in my life.
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Yes. It was all true, which was amazing.
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Can you take me back to elementary school? What were you into? Were you into, like, catching frogs or reading or playing with your friends? What were you into?
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Yeah, that's a great question. In elementary school, for sure. I was definitely more in the reading camp. I grew up in a really small town in North Carolina, and it was small enough that it wasn't totally civilized. And so behind our house, there were these railroad tracks and there were these woods. And the number one rule was do not go out there. I had a pet cat who died because a poisonous snake bit him. I thought my mother was being sort of overprotective at the time, but it's like, oh, no, there's poisonous snakes. So I. I was not catching any reptiles whatsoever. What did you like in elementary school? What was your deal?
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That's a good point. So I was a happy kid, and I love school. So I'm going to blow you away with something. From kindergarten to eighth grade, I never miss one day of school.
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Well done. Wow.
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I love school. And I was good at school because I have a sister eight years older than me, and she started tutoring me right from the jump. So I was a good student. I loved my teachers, and school was a really cool place because I could get around the creatives, I can get around the quiet people, and I really like learning from all groups. So that was elementary school. All the way through high school, I was just that kid.
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That's very cool. I love hearing that. What a nice advantage to have your sister and that she was willing to do that, too.
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That helped me a lot. So growing up in North Carolina in your family, was there any professions that it looked like you almost were going to lean towards? Because you end up going to college real, real early? But what were some of the things that you guys talked about that you might want to become later in life?
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When I grew up in this little town, we didn't have cable. It hadn't reached us yet. And of course, there was no Internet, so there weren't a lot of inputs. And so one of the things that we would do, because there wasn't much other entertainment, was we would watch TV and watch the major programs on the major networks. So at a certain point I got really excited about LA Law. I thought that was really cool. They all seemed very glamorous and it just seemed like there was a lot going on in la. And so I thought, okay, I'll be a lawyer. So for a while that was in my head and. And then, unfortunately, it stayed in my mother's head that she really thought I should go to law school. So she was a bit mortified when I finished undergrad and told her I wanted to go get a master's degree in theological studies. She did not see the professional relevance of that in the same way that she did getting a jd. So I broke her heart, but it had to be done.
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So before we get into all the amazing things you're doing to help companies and help people to really find their way, how is it that you ended up in college so young? Because I don't hear about this very often, but how is it that you ended up in college so young?
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It's not really done so much these days because there's such a lockstep educational system. But there is a program. There was and still is a program at Mary Baldwin University in Virginia, which is where I did my first two years of school. It was an early entrance program, and it was sort of a small pilot, special thing for girls, specifically to accelerate. And so there were girls as old, I say in air quotes, as 16 in the program and as young as 12. And I came kind of in the middle. So at 14 I went. But there were a couple of girls from my town that had done it. So I had heard about it, my parents had heard about it, and I was not really happy there. I reached a certain point where I didn't really feel like I was connected with the other kids. We were just not on the same page in terms of interests and things like that. And so the idea of being able to go off to college and to do it early, basically get a free pass to skip high school just sounded fantastic. At first. I didn't even believe it was true. I'm like, but don't you have to go to high school? And then I realized, no, that's the whole thing. People drop out of high school all the time. You kind of don't have to go. So I finished ninth grade and then I just never went back. So I don't actually have a high school diploma. I just went straight into college.
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So you go to college, and then how long until you end up going to theological school?
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I went to divinity school right after undergrad. So I ended up at Smith College in Massachusetts, where I finished my undergraduate degree. And then straight from there, I went to Harvard Divinity School. Interestingly, strangely, Harvard Divinity School sent a recruiter of all things to Smith. It would have never crossed my transom otherwise. I was kind of unaware of it. But there was a sign that I saw hanging up that there was a special information session about div school. And I thought, oh, that's fascinating. So I went to the information session, and I came out with one of those course books, the old course books that you could flip through. And I just was going through, and I'm like, oh, I want to take every single one of these. This sounds amazing. So that was when I decided that I wanted to do that. So I went straight in after undergrad.
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I love this. So when I was a senior in high school, a friend of mine in school was reading a book on the life of Mother Teresa, and it was the thickest book you could imagine. They called me Timmy Story back then. She says, timmy, I think you should read this book. And she handed it to back to me in class when she was finished. I read this book. I really got touched by the life of Mother Teresa and what she did for the orphans. And it was interesting because I had thought about going to usc, and all of a sudden I started thinking about, in this case, going to seminary. Went to my guidance counselor, and he says, tim, you're like the pastor of the school. You like everybody, and people come to you for their problems. I think this is a really good move. And you're right. Then I started getting those big manuals from the different seminaries. So I ended up going to one in Florida. But what was your reason for going to Harvard Divinity School? What were the thoughts behind that?
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I had been a philosophy major as an undergraduate, and I suppose I had always been drawn to existential questions about life, you could say. And one of the things that I learned, which was I kind of found out a little bit too late, honestly, was that a lot of the academic study of philosophy is not really done that way. It's, in a lot of cases, a little bit more about logic puzzles, or it's almost veering into the what if around neurobiology or things like that. I mean, I'm not the biggest fan of it. So, I mean, I would say it's like pretending to be a science and, like, trying really hard and failing, but it just wasn't giving me what I was looking for. And so divinity school was very exciting because it was just engaging with bigger questions, which I thought was fascinating. And also, I loved the idea. I mean, there's just a huge amount of cultural literacy in terms of understanding what makes different people tick and where things come from. I mean, when I was in divinity school, I got to literally study everything from the Puritans who founded America and understand what we conventionally think about them. A lot of it's wrong, so it's very interesting to get to the root of what were they like and what were they after? And you get world religions. I took Introduction to Hinduism. I took Introduction to Celtic Paganism, and. And it's like, oh, I feel like I understand a lot more of the world now. So it was a really great experience. So you ended up in seminary. So tell me more about what you were hoping to accomplish and did accomplish there. Like, how was that for you?
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Tim, I was going to ask you a question, and then I'm going to answer the question with what I was going to say to you. I think sometimes in life we decide and sometimes we discover. So for me, it was a discovery. I go to seminary, and I didn't really know what I was going to become. I knew I wanted to help people, also had a gift of communication, and I love people. So it was being in seminary that it started to evolve, and I wanted to just really have an understanding, a better understanding of humans, people from all walks of life. So I ended up getting a doctorate in world religion. So then I also wanted to travel the world doing humanitarian work. And I started doing that at a very early age. I've now been to 82 countries.
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Oh, my goodness. Wow.
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And so I think mine was more of a discovery than just a decision. So how about for you? Was it more of a discovery as your career started unfolding, or you think it was like a decision where one night you said, you know, I think I'm going to do this.
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So specifically about divinity school, or more broadly, in terms of my professional arc.
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Your professional arc.
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That part was definitely iterative, I would say, largely because when I was in college, I remember very clearly being confused about how to get the career that I wanted. I knew that there were pieces that I was interested in. I knew I liked this and I liked that. In particular, what I wanted. I remember this conversation I had with career services. I was going. I'm like, you know, how do I find the right career for myself? And they had not rocket science, but sensible advice. They said, okay, make a list of all the things you like to do and then try to look for a job that will let you do those things. I kind of shorted out after a while because basically my list said, I like to read the newspaper and give people my opinions. So that was. That was kind of what I had. Like, ah. But fortunately, those two things actually cross over into a lot of different pieces. But, you know, I thought about people that I thought were really cool back then. And, you know, it was 97 when I graduated. And so I was really intrigued by George Stephanopoulos at the time. He was Bill Clinton's communications director, and then he went on to be a news anchor. I thought he had a really cool career. I love Tony Robbins, you know, with all the speeches and the inspiring people. And I'm like, how do you do those things? It just was not clear the way it was when your classmates were, like, going to medical school to become a doctor. So I definitely had to try a lot of things. I spent most of my 20s getting hired for jobs and then getting laid off or whatever. So it was definitely a winding path.
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So when I look at my notes, it says, began a career as a journalist and later worked as a political campaign spokesperson before transitioning into consulting. So the journalist side, how did that even happen?
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The way the journalism piece happened was pivoting through a failure. Actually, my original first idea was that after I finished divinity school, I got my master's degree. And I thought, well, you know, this is going well. Why don't I keep going and I'll get a doctorate? And I thought what would be cool was to get a doctorate in English literature, but I would do it with the study of religion baked in, you know, somehow the Venn diagram of religion in English. And I thought this was a brilliant idea. Apparently, no one else did because I got rejected from all of the graduate schools that I applied to for doctoral programs. So I had to really regroup. And so one of the things that I started doing was I. I got an internship. I was like, okay, I need some professional experience. So I landed an internship at a magazine, and I began to get some clips, as they say, some writing samples and things like that. I just tried to network really hard, and I was able to eventually meet a woman who was a news editor at the alternative weekly newspaper in my city. I started freelancing for them and eventually Was able to get hired for a real job. But of course it didn't actually end up lasting that long because I got hired in 2000, which was the peak year, literally the peak year in history of the print journalism industry. It was at its highest level and then immediately basically crashed because of the Internet and Craigslist and they had layoffs. So I was. I did that job for a year and then couldn't get hired anywhere else as a newspaper reporter. So really had to pivot my career
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because I think a little bit like a therapist and a life coach. At that time in your life, were you at all nervous about how your life was unfolding on the professional side? Because it looks like, I mean, number one, congratulations on the academic side, but with the career side, it is strange sometimes when you think you're going to be there longer and then a door closes. How were you feeling at that time in your life as you're professional life was unfolding?
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I was definitely very sad and frustrated because I had thought after not being able to proceed in academia, I was like, oh, well, journalism is a great solution. Academia, the attraction is like, okay, I wanted a career where you could write and read, you know, and talk to people about writing and reading. And that wasn't possible, but. But it turns out journalism is actually a close analog to that. And I thought, okay, well, this is a great plan B. I was proud of myself. And then to have that one get messed up, it's like, oh, geez, now we're going on to plan C. Hadn't anticipated that. So I was definitely frustrated. I mean, I hadn't reached a point where I was doubting myself, per se. I didn't feel like these things were my failures. I have a reasonably high level of self confidence, so I just was like, come on, world, catch up to me here. But it got extremely tiresome. I wasn't like depressed with myself, but I was sick of it, that's for sure. Have you been laid off, Tim? What was your arc to your present career like?
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I think this is something that's very, very interesting is that I ended up becoming a humanitarian, but I also became like a traveling Christian speaker. It hit at a very high level. So I would speak in all these conventions, like, very similar to a John Maxwell. Yes, yes, I do a lot with John Maxwell and I do do things with Tony Robbins. And I became one of the top four speakers in the world. But then I went through a divorce. I went through a divorce from an amazing lady who was a college professor for many, many Years. And that was very difficult on me because being raised in a Christian environment, that was like a. No, no. Mostly as a religious leader, Right, Sure.
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Yeah.
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And so going through that divorce, nobody tried to get me to walk down the ladder and say, okay, shame on you. But I felt a lot of guilt and shame that I could not find a way for us to make it because we both cared about each other, but we just could not find a way to make this marriage work. So that to me was almost like a firing.
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Yeah, yeah.
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From traditional ways of how I thought my life would go.
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Yeah, for sure.
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But interesting thing about life is that I felt like I had some really great friends, partners, mentors, people that were there for me to help guide me. And one of them was a therapist who taught at USC named Dr. Helen Mendez. African American lady. I mean, that lady helped my life. And part of what she said was, tim, you think no one else is going through things, everybody's going through things. So she really helped me deal with the realities of my situation and to help me to realize that I still belonged. And so when I say that, what goes through your mind?
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First of all, props to Helen Mendez, because that's just a loving way to be in the world. To help you see that at a time when you needed that. That's really lovely. But, yeah, I mean, we all need people like that. I think what goes through my mind when you say that is I work with a lot of folks. I run an online course in community and we have a lot of members that I talk to. And so often folks are very hard on themselves. And when it's not you, you can see that and be like, oh, why are you beating yourself up? You're trying really hard or you're making progress, you just can't see the progress yet or whatever it is. But when it's the individual in question, they often revert to this very negative, very self deprecating script. Sometimes that's unfortunate because it's a lot more harsh than you would ever want to be to somebody else.
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Thank you for watching the Miracle Mentality podcast. So many of my friends are texting me, DMing me, speaking to me, and saying, tim, thank you for these great guests that you're bringing bringing on. So share it with somebody, a friend, a family member, a colleague. And then make sure and reach out to us at Tim Story official and let us know that you love what we're doing. Thank you for being a part of this movement. So let's jump into today's life for you so you became a best selling author, a top business thinker, a teacher at Columbia Business School. How did you end up at Columbia Business School and what did that feel like to you?
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We're connecting the dots here, right? So thank you for giving me an opportunity to bring it around. I, of course, had this lingering feeling of incompleteness because I had wanted to be an academic early in my career and had not been able to. I got turned down by the PhD programs. I thought, oh, that's not going to work. But interestingly, and this has been a great lesson for me, sometimes that you just need to be patient. Not that I love being patient, but sometimes you need to be patient. You have to play the long game, which is the name of my most recent book.
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No, no, no. Pull that book out again. You did that too fast.
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Okay. Yes. It's called the long game.
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You're very humble person.
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Oh, thank you.
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Just hold that up. I'm very good at branding. How did you come up with the L and then all those O's? That's so awesome how you did that. What was your thinking behind that?
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Oh, thank you. Well, I can't really take credit for it because it was the designers at Harvard Business Review Press, my publisher, that came up with it. I do think it's really cool. What I can take credit for is that there were a few cover designs that came before that. I expended all of my political capital and then some to say, no, that's not the right one. That's not the right one. And I think they were sick to death of me. But finally we ended up with this, and I'm very proud of it.
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So good. Okay, so we can get that book on Amazon or wherever books are sold. Is that correct? Correct.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Okay, so back to something that blows me away of teaching at Columbia Business School. What were you actually teaching these people at Columbia Business School?
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Yeah, absolutely. So just to close that last loop, it turned out after getting shut down early in my career, who knew you don't actually have to have a PhD to teach in business school. As long as you can amass some good life experience, they seem to want to have you in as a adjunct professor, a professor of the practice, to provide a different perspective. So it was very gratifying for me later on to be able to teach at business schools. For over a decade. I taught at Duke's future Fuqua School of Business, and now I'm primarily affiliated with Columbia for both of them. I've taught in the executive education program. So I'm working with executives who come in and want additional training and skills building. And at Columbia specifically, what I have done, there's a few different things I've taught in an innovation program for them, but primarily I've done personal branding and ways that people can become just a little bit more confident stepping up and making sure that in ways that feel true to themselves, they can ensure that others recognize what they're fully capable of.
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Very, very good. Okay, so part of your teaching is mastering the art of transformation. Okay. I deal a lot with personal transformation with people. I'm known as a comeback coach to the stars. I work with over 300 entertainers. My office has been in Beverly Hills forever. I deal with that kind of transformation. Your type of transformation would be in what area?
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A lot of the work that I do is around a couple of areas. One per the long game is about strategic thinking and how we can all become better strategic thinkers. So much of society is set up around short term gains and short term gratification and short term results. And unfortunately, if you do that enough, it often distracts you from some of your longer term ambitions. And so I try to do a lot of writing and speaking and advising to help people tap into more of that. The second piece, Tim, is around professional reinvention. So my first book, this one here is called Reinventing youg. And it is about how professionals can really, whether it's changing careers, changing jobs, or just changing a little bit about their identity and their self perception. It's about how we can get out of what's the identities that have been holding us back before and tap into new ones for where we want to go.
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Okay, so let's talk about the reinventing you. I was going to go there on you because I get a chance to talk to a lot of people who do very well in AI and some of the people that are pioneers in AI. There's a lot of people that are nervous about being replaced because of AI. How can we as people make AI more of our friend? And we can adjust, we can adapt, we can reinvent. So AI is not the scary thing. How would you look at that?
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It's so important. Obviously AI is marching along and progressing. And so it's. It certainly does not pay to be a Luddite and not feel comfortable with it or experiment with it. I think for all of us we need to become conversant enough so that we can play around with it. It doesn't even have to be an official course of study, but if it can become the kind of thing that you are familiar with enough that you're using it. You know, the functionality, you know the basic ideas of how it works, and it doesn't feel alien. That's a step forward. But I think honestly, the most important thing we can do, I mean, AI skills or how to use AI prompts or things like that, that can be taught. It's not that difficult really. What is essential in terms of making sure that we are not going to be replaced by AI is that this is really accelerating a trend line that we've been on for the past 20 or 30 years. And the boogeyman has been different over time. At first it was outsourcing and offshoring and things like that. It's like, oh, if you're in the west, your job is going to be taken by someone else in a developing nation or something like that. And sometimes that was true and sometimes that wasn't true. But there was very much the trend that if someone is out there that can do it cheaper, then unless you provide a really good reason, probably the person who can do it cheaper will be the one who ends up doing it. And so that question was always, well, what is that really good reason? Now, AI isn't even a person that needs to be fed for $20 a month. You can have this tool that's doing it that's about as cheap as you can get. So if you're doing commodity level work, then it probably will be taken away. And so we all have to start asking ourselves, what is it that we can do that adds value? And it might not even necessarily be so radically distinctive, but I mean, this is where things matter, like trust, reliability, how much of a pleasure you are to work with. These are things that actually really matter in this economy. I don't know. What are your thoughts about this, Tim?
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Well, number one, I think that that's part of what I see you teaching in leadership, which I like because I saw some of the things that you've been teaching from interviews, et cetera. I agree with you. I think that we have to be adaptable, adjustable, almost Gumby. Like if you remember that cartoon. Yes, exactly. We have to be a little bit Gumby Ish. And a lot of people that I know that do well in life, they are willing to adjust and adapt. Which I think that if you're going to do that, sometimes you have to leave your ego at the door. That I think some people are so frustrated that it didn't go the way they thought it would go. And so they're not Willing to adjust and to adapt into pivot. Okay, so I think that this fits in with your idea of strategic thinking that I do love, because I do believe that having the right strategy and laying the right foundation is paramount to a career that continues for a long time. And when you think of strategic thinking, it sounds like it's long term, is that correct?
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It's long term in its orientation. But I'll also put in the caveat that it doesn't necessarily have to be long term in terms of, oh, it's 20 years in the future. The way that I quickly define long term thinking is, what is it that I can do today that will make my life better and easier tomorrow? It could be something as simple as getting in the habit of putting away your laundry or something like that so that you don't come home the next day and say, oh, no. How do we do favors for our future selves that enable us to be more in control of our environment and how things unfold? It's the small things.
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So I teach this thing about when somebody has a setback, very easy play on words. I say, don't sit, don't settle, and don't cement yourself. So let's talk about reinventing you. Give me one step that someone can take to reinvent themself.
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In terms of reinventing yourself. One of the most important elements actually, is ironically, how we end up conveying that to other people. Because what I see sometimes is people have this vision, the new them, and they try to sort of put it out there, and then their dream gets quashed a little bit. Because ironically, the people who are closest to you sometimes are your biggest critics because they somehow think they're doing you a favor by being the devil's advocate and telling you all the things that's wrong with the new job you want to pursue or the new career you want to try. And so ultimately, what I try to advise people is, number one, to be aware of that so it doesn't catch them off guard and upset them. And just recognize that your family, some of your close friends, and they actually have to be thought of in some ways as kind of a constituency that you need to be mindful of. Like, how do you show them through your words, through your actions, that this is not a passing fad. This is not just, you know, oh, today I'll do this, tomorrow I'll do this other thing. But it's something that you're actually legitimately committed to, and that if they truly want to support you, they will help you and get on board with this?
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Yes. Dori, tell me what it feels like to be well known by many people. Where to me you're so laid back. I think you probably would have been comfortable not being as known. You don't seem like a person that was chasing to be known. What does it feel like that more of us know who you are and what you do and been studying your bio for a while. Name one of the top 50 business thinkers in the world, the number one communication coach on the planet. When you get these kind of accolades, what does it feel like to you as the person?
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Well, it's very kind of you, Tim. Thank you. I do try to be a pretty laid back person in general because I think we're all here to learn from one another. And I always try to make sure that I'm trying to take in as much information as I'm giving and just stay curious in that way. But it's also true. I don't want to create any misconceptions because I think sometimes there's an aura where for people who are striving to get their ideas heard or they're trying to break through and it feels so frustrating. I think that sometimes it's easy to look at other people who may have had success in certain areas and say, oh, well, why am I having to try so hard? Because you. It just happened for these other people. Oh, they must have been doing something right because magic dust fell on them or something. The truth is I am keenly ambitious. I have a will to power, Tim. And so I've worked pretty hard to be able to do it. So I think it's possible hopefully to be a humble and laid back person, but also very ambitious. And so when you ask how it feels to have different awards or accolades or things like that, you, it's great because that's what I've been working toward. And I think the thing that for me, if I could sum it up in a story, I remember when I was in college, my first girlfriend, she was an art major and she had this art show as a capstone for her graduation. And I remember talking to her because all of these works that she had painted, they were up for sale and they were up for sale for $200 or something, which is a lot of money when you were in college. And, and I remember her saying, oh, I just feel so weird. I feel so uncomfortable that people will be giving me money and it's like, does it pollute the art somehow? And ah. And a lot of people feel awkward or uncomfortable getting money or asking for money for the things that they do. But I remember thinking at the time, I'm like, yeah, but if you get the money, you don't even have to keep it, but you control it, and you can do good things with it, and you can use it the way that you know is right to use it. And so I am always a big fan that if you are somebody that is committed to positive change in the world in whatever way, you should amass as much money and as much power as you possibly can because you can make good choices.
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A
I like what you said. I think that's a healthy outlook. I've always said this. God does not kill your ego. He purifies it. Because I think that people that have really done great things, even if they're humble, there is an ego there that they want to do well. They want to be the best. And I like that side of you that is you. So I have two more questions for you. What is happening in the world that really frustrates you, agitates you? I find that a lot of leaders I get to talk to, and I'm very spoiled this way that I, for some reason, get to be around amazing thinkers. And most of them are agitated by things like, things are going in the world not to where they're negative people, but it agitates them. But then they want to find a solution. Okay, Whether it be homelessness or whatever it is. Is there anything that agitates you a lot lately about the world? And then give me a little bit of the solution to the thing that's agitating you.
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B
I used to work in politics, so I always have this little thing in the back of my mind about the problem is I don't know where I would run for office because I split my time between a bunch of different places and I'm traveling all the time. But I do have this, like, oh, I should run for office. I need to. So maybe one day. But I think right now, I mean, there's many things that frustrate me, but one that I will pick is I think that we have the debate in our culture about immigration all wrong, at least as far as I can tell, if you were looking at empirical data. Ambitious, hardworking immigrants are the fuel of any country. And I think we need more of that energy rather than less. And I think that we've gotten polarized in terms of, oh, well, we hate immigration because we hate illegal immigration, and, oh, you know, things should be shut down and small. I want to break those things down. Because hating illegal immigration doesn't mean that you should hate immigration. What I would like to do is I would like to create a culture where people can and should follow the rules around that. If we're worried about how to compete with China and with India, America should be a billion people. I want America to be a billion people and to bring in the smartest, best, most hardworking people so that we can have all the AI talent, so that we can have our pick of the litter of just great minds to propel the economy forward. And if we had a policy that was inclusive in the right ways and exclusive in the right ways. I get upset about rule breaking just as much as anyone. I don't like it, but. But I really want to shift the debate to say no. Immigration per se is actually a good. That should be encouraged. That's the vision that I would like to see.
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A
I just saw a whole wonderful side of you. You seem like a cool politician right there. That was so good. It's like, I believe. And with my running mate, Tim Story.
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B
Yeah, there we go.
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A
We can make the world a better place.
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B
That's the hot ticket, Tim. I like it.
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A
My friend Bobby Shriver, whose parents, as you know, created the Peace Corps and the Special Olympics, he always was trying to get me into politics. All right, so I like to ask people this question because I think the world is in need of love today. So Stevie Wonder has his song, Love's in Need of love Today. Don't delay. Send yours in right away. Okay. So I've been asking people at the end of my podcast, what does it mean to lead with love? Like, what does it mean to lead with compassion? Whatever comes out of your heart or mind. So what does it mean, Dori, to lead with love?
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B
Leading with love, I think, is about giving people the encouragement they need to really see themselves. And the reason I say that is that again, so often with the folks that I work with in the community that I run, you just see that even for extremely smart and accomplished professionals, they're nervous about their talents or their abilities. And I think that sometimes they don't get enough positive feedback, which you might say, oh, well, that's silly. A grownup shouldn't need that or something like that. But I think everybody needs that. And it is so meaningful to just make the effort to praise people appropriately when they're doing things. I mean, I just had a call this afternoon with a woman who's in my mastermind, and we were going over an article that she had written because she was going to submit it to a high profile publication. And I read it and I'm like, look, it's really good. You could do this little tiny thing. But overall it's excellent. And she was just like, oh my gosh, that means so much to me. I can't believe it. And it's just like these little things. But that encouragement is the difference between somebody doing something and somebody quitting something. And then all of a sudden you've got entirely different outcomes that fork off of that. And I think if we all tried to do a little bit more of that, it would be really helpful.
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A
So good. My new friend, Dorie Clark. Dorie, what's the best way people can follow you?
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B
Tim, thank you so much. The best way to follow me is I have a newsletter with all my leadership insights that goes out every week. Folks can sign up@doryclark.com subscribe and on my website I have more than 700 free articles that folks can check out that I've written for places like Entrepreneur and the Harvard Business Review. And they're all@doryclark.com I did see that.
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A
That's a lot. So make sure and follow her. And Dori, thanks for your time. You're brilliant and I enjoy you. So to everyone that just listened or watched, so many great takeaways of the way she's thinking, processing life, make sure and follow her, get her books. If you get on her website, you can find out the names of the books and then purchase those books because we're all about growth here. So the miracle mentality is about mindset, frame of mind. Don't forget, your mindset is yours to set. And so be thinking about this today because many times, as Dori was saying, we get a little bit too hard on ourselves. But you may not be what you want to be, but thank God you're not what you used to be. So keep watching the miracle mentality. Continue to like subscribe and tell a friend and I will see you next time. Thank you for sharing space with me on this episode of Miracle Mentality with Tim Storey. If today sparked your courage or helped you understand why you're created for success, I invite you to carry that miracle mentality forward. Visit me@timstory.com that story with an ey on the end. Until next time, walk by faith, embrace possibility and create your own comeback story.