Little Gitmos Everywhere

Summary

Podcast Summary: Little Gitmos Everywhere

Podcast: Next Comes What
Host: Andrea Pitzer
Episode Air Date: July 16, 2026

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Overview of the Episode

In this urgent and meticulously researched episode, Andrea Pitzer draws connections between historical concentration camps and a newly revealed US government plan to establish offshore detention facilities for migrants and asylum seekers. With guests including Charles Davis and Gillian Bruckell, Pitzer unpacks leaked documents, exposes ongoing abuses linked to mass deportations, and issues a call to action to prevent what she describes as a "global network of concentration camps." The episode is an exploration of authoritarian tactics, accountability, and how history informs resistance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Revelations from a Government Solicitation

• [00:00] Andrea recounts being contacted by journalist Charles Davis about a contract notice from SAM.gov seeking partners to help the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and ICE maintain "a fleet of aircraft" and create overseas facilities that could detain up to 1,000 people at a time.
• [00:44] She explains, "These overseas hubs are referred to as the International staging areas or ISAs..." and the language used is consistent with transit or endpoint detention camps.

2. Framing Within Global Camp History

• [01:27] Pitzer directly addresses the parallels with concentration camps:
  • "If you’re thinking that this is starting to sound a lot like a global network of concentration camps run by the United States, you’re not alone." — Andrea Pitzer [01:27]
• Using insights from her book "One Long Night: A Global History of Concentration Camps", she contextualizes these efforts as part of a century-long pattern of mass detention.

3. The Mechanics of Rapid Deportation

• [03:36] The document details missions including deportations, high-risk charters, movement of crisis personnel, and more, revealing how ICE shuffles detainees out of public view.
• [04:01–05:49] Multiple witnesses describe opaque flight operations, use of call signs, and the logistical and emotional turmoil for families seeking loved ones being flown to unknown destinations.
• Pitzer explains that ISAs (International Staging Areas) can serve as 1,000-bed detention camps, equipped for extended, large-scale detention.

4. Third Country Deportations & Human Rights Issues

• [06:29–07:37] The US has been sending detainees to countries such as Panama, the DRC, and Central African Republic—often with no clear oversight or safety provisions.
• Gillian Bruckell recounts her work exposing ICE’s international flights and efforts to interrupt abusive deportations.

5. Case Study: El Salvador’s Mega Prison, Bukele’s Offer, and Abuse

• [09:04] Charles Davis explains how El Salvadorian President Nayib Bukele once offered to house US deportees in the infamous SICOT mega-prison:
  • "He said he was willing to use his megaprison Sukkot to house almost anyone that the United States wanted to deport to El Salvador." — Charles Davis [09:04]
• Pitzer underscores how detainees suffered abuse there, with many held in "a legal black hole" and the US denying responsibility by claiming detainees were under El Salvador’s care.
• A notable quote from a judge after a forced return:
  • "...an abuse of prosecuting power, vindictive and selective prosecution in violation of the Fifth Amendment’s due process clause." — Judge Waverly Crenshaw Jr. [11:12]

6. Funding, Accountability, and Legal Gray Zones

• [11:39–12:20] The US has attempted to distance itself from accountability via technicalities in agreements and financial "donations" to host countries, stating that detainees "remain in host government’s care and custody."
• The Immigration and Nationality Act enables deportation to any nation willing to receive a non-citizen—regardless of safety or connection.

7. Deals with Multiple Nations

• [13:33–14:08] The US has forged or attempted deals with nations like Eswatini, South Sudan, Uganda, Ghana, and Rwanda, offering cash or diplomatic favors in exchange for agreeing to receive deportees.
• These deals are described as opaque, with vast sums funneled for detaining or accepting relatively few people.

8. International Precedents and Propaganda

• [16:44] Pitzer draws parallels to Australia’s widely condemned offshore detention regime.
• Charles Davis discusses "remigration" and links these policies to ethnic purging and the "great replacement conspiracy theory":
  • "Remigration is basically the policy response to the great replacement conspiracy theory." — Charles Davis [17:55]
  • "Our federal government will be running and funding the entire operation as part of a larger ethnic purge underway nationwide." — Andrea Pitzer [18:00]

9. Privatization, Corruption, and Morality

• [19:14–20:22] Discussion of the role of private for-profit prison companies (CoreCivic, GEO Group) in constructing and operating these detention sites, both domestically and now possibly abroad.
• Maintenance issues, corruption, and neglect are common, raising the risk of severe human rights violations.

10. International Trends and the Dangers of Normalization

• [20:52] Other nations, including European states and Canada, are following suit, expanding offshore or third country detention.
• Pitzer warns that these facilities, once built, could exist long after the initial administration leaves office, creating a permanent and dangerous infrastructure.

11. Call to Action

• [22:42–24:12] Pitzer urges listeners to contact representatives, spread awareness, and protest—stressing that early resistance is crucial:
  • "Rarely do those who oppose the mistreatment of vulnerable communities have so much lead time to help stop a disaster from taking place." — Andrea Pitzer [23:47]
  • "But once detainees are overseas, our ability to intervene through both public pressure and the courts will become far more limited than they are right now. So it's important to act." — Andrea Pitzer [24:12]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "History is full of moments in which hindsight provides the only clear view. This is not one of them." — Andrea Pitzer, quoting from her book [02:24]
• On Guantanamo:
  • "Guantanamo was first a refugee camp... we held them there. The gray area in which it existed, kind of legal no man’s land..." — Andrea Pitzer [15:41]
• On privatization:
  • "Nearly all ICE detainees are held in facilities that are either owned or operated by for-profit companies." — Activist [19:14]
• On legacy:
  • "The gift of a concentration camp." — Andrea Pitzer [20:56]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–02:24: Introduction to DHS solicitation, framing in historical context
• 03:36–05:49: Deportation logistics, flight secrecy, and staging areas
• 06:29–07:37: Third country detainees—personal stories and abuses
• 09:04–11:14: Case study of El Salvador mega-prison and US complicity
• 12:20–14:40: International deals for deportations, legal gray zones
• 15:30–16:44: Guantanamo as precursor, history of offshore camps
• 17:55–18:18: “Remigration” and ethnic cleansing agendas
• 19:14–20:22: Role of for-profit companies, facility conditions
• 22:42–24:12: Call to action, importance of early intervention

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Tone & Language

• The episode is urgent, sober, and deeply concerned with accountability and moral clarity.
• Pitzer combines historical insight with investigative reporting, often referencing her own published work and using firsthand accounts from journalists and advocates.

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Summary

Andrea Pitzer’s "Little Gitmos Everywhere" is a warning and a call to action, revealing the US government's escalating plans to create a network of offshore detention camps. Drawing on historical precedent and exposing contemporary abuses, the episode argues that such a system would institutionalize mass, extrajudicial detention—and that public engagement and activism are essential if these abuses are to be stopped before they become entrenched.

Transcript

[Andrea Pitzer]

Last week I got a message from Charles Davis, who writes for the Guardian and also runs the Redoubt, who was looking for a comment on a call for contractors. The call was a request to partner with the Department of Homeland Security, ice and other US government operational needs overseas. Davis had noticed it on SAM.gov, which is the official US site for contractors, and he wanted me to take a look at it. The search for partners to collaborate with DHS is framed as maintaining a fleet of aircraft for use in its operations, but also mentions creating facilities outside the US that might hold as many as a thousand people at a time.

[Charles Davis]

This woman said she was forcibly separated from her American born 2 year old

[Andrea Pitzer]

daughter for most of this statement of work, which is what the document is called. These overseas hubs are referred to as the International staging areas or ISAs. But one paragraph in the solicitation refers to detention facility or facilities as well as detainees, describing what will happen with regard to those detainees in the case of an emergency disaster or cut in appropriations funding. So it appears that these sites will host what will become transit camps for some detainees and perhaps endpoint detention camps for others.

[Charles Davis]

This woman was separated from her son and two grandchildren,

[Andrea Pitzer]

and if you're thinking that this is starting to sound a lot like a global network of concentration camps run by the United States, you're not alone.

[Gillian Bruckell]

This is the latest front, if you will, in the Trump administration's unprecedented efforts to deport thousands of people to so called third countries, meaning countries that are not their own.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Charles quotes me in the piece that he posted over on his site, the Readout, but I want to address it directly at greater length here in this episode. From the standpoint of camp history, I'll use events from One Long Night A

[Gillian Bruckell]

Global History of Concentration Camps Kirkus Reviews calls it a potent, powerful history which

[Andrea Pitzer]

traces the global establishment of concentration camps from the late 19th century into the

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

21st, six continents and a century of camps.

[Andrea Pitzer]

So hold on tight and I'll use it to explain the tremendous danger that this network that is currently developing would represent.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

History is full of moments in which hindsight provides the only clear view. This is not one of them.

[Andrea Pitzer]

For more than a year I've been explaining that the US Government under Trump has been working to establish exactly this kind of network. Yet this solicitation on SAM.gov is a tremendous escalation in the world of concentration camp red flags. The good news is that this massive expansion is still in the planning stages, so there are ways to intervene and a window in which to do so today I want to address what's being explored in this statement of work, what that would look like on the ground, and the importance of stopping it. So this document is titled Operational Support for Aircraft Maintenance and Services and was posted last week.

[Advocate or Witness]

1, 2, 3, 4 more detainees. You can tell that their hands are restrained.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Responses are due the middle of next week with a plan to launch the proposed collaborations a year from now.

[Advocate or Witness]

We were able to find this plane here in Richmond, Virginia, but most of them are hidden from the public and operating with little transparency.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The document reads that the primary missions supported by these aircraft include removal operations for deportations, voluntary repatriation, high risk charter operations, deployment of crisis response personnel, medical evacuations, and movement of senior officials to support continuity directives and diplomatic engagement.

[Advocate or Witness]

Virtually every ICE flight carrying detainees blocks their tail numbers from flight tracking websites, making it nearly impossible for families and advocates to find their loved ones once they're in ICE custody.

[Andrea Pitzer]

DHS will maximize utilization of the aircraft and maintenance enterprise to fulfill DHS and interagency requirements.

[Advocate or Witness]

Many ICE flights go by Tyson, the same call sign used to identify Trump's personal plane after he was elected in 2016.

[Andrea Pitzer]

So it appears that the US is looking to expand its deportation footprint and add detention into the mix in some new ways.

[Advocate or Witness]

The Trump administration has used more than 70 airports across the country for domestic shuffle flights so far. Moving ICE detainees between detention centers before

[Andrea Pitzer]

deportation will be responsible for air crews, refueling permits and dealing with landing sites, as well as dealing with the host countries.

[Advocate or Witness]

Some of the first detainees on board were possibly on this plane handcuffed for nearly 10 hours.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The government says it will provide two C37B or equivalent Gulfstream 650ers and seven Boeings from 700 model to the 737 or equivalent as aircraft.

[Advocate or Witness]

As this ICE flight completes its 24 hour trip. Louisiana is likely the last stop in the US before the people on board

[Andrea Pitzer]

are deported and the contractor will be expected to submit a plan to, quote, establish international staging at designated locations within host nations. The international staging areas, which they call ISAs, are dependent on diplomatic relations with the host nations.

[Advocate or Witness]

These rapid removals have been a key

[Andrea Pitzer]

feature of a mass deportation effort. A conveyor belt of humans from Minnesota to Texas. ISAs may be up to 1000 bed facilities with wraparound services which may include power, water, sanitation, food service, security and manpower, and able to support various demographics. For the last six days, this hotel in Kinshasa has hosted some unexpected guests. I wrote in April about the fact that dozens of countries currently have agreements with the US to hold detainees from other countries. What I've been calling third country detainees. I was like, I don't want to go to the drc.

[Advocate or Witness]

I'm scared.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It's a country I don't know. I don't speak the language. I'm really anxious and my family is desperate. And I've written often about the abuses that have already occurred outside the continental US As a result of deportation operations or detention abroad.

[Gillian Bruckell]

The open question now is what happens to people from Afghanistan, people from Iran, people from Iraq, people from Armenia who are being sent to countries like the Central African Republic, as was the case this week, there is no clear guidance from either country, the US or the Central African Republic.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The New York Times covered the deportation of nearly 100 people to Panama last year, which I also wrote about. I just wanted to add an update that actually, just last night, these folks who've been deported from the United States to Panama and were locked in this hotel that you see there were transported to a camp near the Darien jungle. Former flight attendant and former Washington Post reporter Gillian Bruckell has been covering the abuses inherent in the ICE Air fleet as it currently exists.

[Gillian Bruckell]

The best way to support me right now is to become a subscriber on my newsletter.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It's gillianbruckel.com Some nightmarish plans involving third countries appear to have been interrupted.

[Gillian Bruckell]

The way that I got into the ICE flight stuff was I did an

[Andrea Pitzer]

activist thing, such as the attempt to send deportees to Libya.

[Gillian Bruckell]

I figured out where this plane was that the judge was looking for. Like, when it was still in the sky, when they were sending people to south Sudan, I ID'd the plane, which

[Andrea Pitzer]

was foiled in May 2025.

[Gillian Bruckell]

That was just, like a thing that I did because I'm an airplane nerd.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And when a lawyer was notified of the impending flight and managed to file an emergency motion that was successful when

[Gillian Bruckell]

it landed for fuel in Ireland to refuel, I called the Irish airport police and was like, hey, you guys, I think some of your human trafficking laws might be violated. Being violated on this plane that's on this side of the airport right now. You may want to check the plane. Those people are shackled. A judge said they weren't allowed to be taken out. You know, da, da, da, da. And I've never done anything like that before. I've never tried to, like, interfere with a story. But I also, like, wasn't reporting on it.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The highest profile example and one I would argue is very relevant for the DHS proposal put out this month happened in March 2025, Bukele, who had once

[Charles Davis]

called himself the world's coolest dictator, made an extraordinary offer. He said he was willing to use his megaprison Sukkot to house almost anyone that the United States wanted to deport to El Salvador.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It involved the government's unlawful deportations of Venezuelan and El Salvadoran men to sicot,

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

the largest prison in the Americas, infamous

[Advocate or Witness]

for its harsh conditions.

[Andrea Pitzer]

This deportation took place amid photo shoots of then Secretary of DHS Kristi Noem. And the detentions there, widely referred to as hell on Earth, led to tremendous abuses against those detainees.

[Charles Davis]

They were taken and beaten regularly. They would be deprived for hours of food and water or in some cases, days. And even, sadly, we were documented cases

[Andrea Pitzer]

of sexual abuse, many of whom were eventually sent on to Venezuela.

[Charles Davis]

Rubio is trying to seal the deal, and he mentions that he is under pressure from the President. Bukele at this moment has maximum leverage over the United States. And he says to Marco Rubio, I need nine Ms. 13 members in US custody in order for this deal to take place.

[Andrea Pitzer]

In the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was deported in the face of an order not to return him to El Salvador, the Trump administration argued that the Seekot detainees were no longer in US Custody and so were beyond the reach of DHS to return. All of them are now incommunicado in a legal black hole, with neither the US Or El Salvador confirming the names of the prisoners. But a judge forced the return of Abrego Garcia. Human smuggling charges were brought almost immediately against him. The government has been harassing him since. And in May of this year, Judge Waverly Crenshaw Jr. Dismissed criminal charges against Abrego Garcia and characterized the government's prosecution of him as, quote, an abuse of prosecuting power, vindictive and selective prosecution in violation of the Fifth Amendment's due process clause.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

The judge also found that the prosecution

[Andrea Pitzer]

was a direct retaliation for Abrego Garcia's successful civil lawsuit against the government. In the Statement of Work, despite contractors being hired to run these facilities, the detainees are described as remaining, quote, in the host government's care and custody.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

According to one study, his administration sent deportation flights to at least 25 African nations in 2025.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It seems likely that the US government is trying to set these foreign detention camps up in such a way that they will again try to make the argument that detainees are actually being held by the host governments and not by the United States, which is a disastrous situation for human rights.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

But that doesn't mean those nations have official third country deportation agreements with the US and that's where things get a little murky.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The contractor is also required to provide, quote, a mechanism to procure equipment, materials and or supplies for DHS donations to host governments.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

There isn't a lot of transparency around these agreements and what they entail.

[Andrea Pitzer]

This donation clause seems to further reveal the government's plan to deny responsibility or accountability, leaving the host government as technically responsible for detention even as the US establishes the camp setting and staffs.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

It's a section of the Immigration and Nationality act allows the Department of Homeland Security to deport migrants to a country with a government that will accept the alien if removal to their home country is impractical, inadvisable or impossible.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Some 21,000 people have been deported into this kind of third country detention during the second Trump administration.

[Charles Davis]

Trump had gotten what he wanted, and among the mostly Venezuelan men being ushered into Secot was a sign Bukele was starting to get what he wanted too.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The US was reported to have paid $4.7 million for the detention of just three planeloads of deportees at SICOT in El Salvador last year. You had on the surface a deal where Trump sent deportees to Bukele's prison, but in fact the US was sending

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

back a criminal who Bukele wanted in

[Andrea Pitzer]

El Salvador to protect his story and

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

to hide information about the secret negotiations

[Andrea Pitzer]

he had had with gangs in his country. As Charles Davis noted in his piece today, the tiny nation of Eswatini agreed to accept 11 third country deportees as part of a $5.1 million agreement with the administration earlier this month.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

Reports only confirm that six African nations have accepted or at least agreed to accept deportees from the United Ghana, Uganda, South Sudan, Eswatini, Equatorial guinea and Rwanda.

[Andrea Pitzer]

This current call for plans will involve exponentially vaster sums of money.

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

Last July, South Sudan agreed to accept eight deportees from six different countries. So what did the country receive in return? It wasn't a cash payment like in El Salvador. Instead, South Sudan presented a series of lift sanctions on then second Vice President Benjamin Bon Mel, reverse US Visa cancellations for South Sudanese citizens, and reactivate a Federal Reserve account so the country can use US Dollars again.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Each generation of camps has innovated in awful, degrading and frequently more lethal ways while building on practices from prior camps.

[Charles Davis]

South Sudan's displacement crisis is one of the worst in Africa. Its armed conflicts seem endless and rights abuses are widespread. Almost everyone lives in extreme poverty.

[Andrea Pitzer]

As someone who's written about this long arc of camp history. My sense is that what the US is now proposing is a significant shift that will open doors to horrors both new and familiar.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

So in Santiago, if you've ever seen the pictures of people rounded up into stadiums, they did later shut those down, and some people went to conventional camps. But the new thing that rose in this moment was this idea of kind of atomizing detention and clandestine detention.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Looking back at some parallel phenomena from camp history in terms of detention, remember that Guantanamo started as an offshore mass detention site for immigrants.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

Guantanamo was first a refugee camp. You know, we had Haitians there. There was a huge number of people fleeing political instability at home that we didn't want to let onto the U.S. mainland. And so we held them there.

[Andrea Pitzer]

The gray area in which it existed kind of legal no man's land.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

And we wouldn't say what protections they had. That's why we didn't want to say, because we wanted to be able to question them. And if we locked them down with giving them the name, then they would fall under Geneva Conventions and we would be bound to.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Certain things meant that the George W. Bush administration could not only hide abuses of detainees and unlawful attempts to prosecute them, but could also delay any pushback as courts struggled to determine what, if any, jurisdiction they had.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

I argue in the book that that is then part of how we get to Guantanamo as sort of the crown jewel of a large network of detention that is also atomized.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And to be clear, I'm not a lawyer, but the arrangement for offshore indefinite mass detention would appear to raise many of the same issues and several new ones.

[Gillian Bruckell]

In some cases, some of the third countries have sent the deportees back to their home countries, even though, again, some of them have said that they fled those countries because of violence and persecution.

[Andrea Pitzer]

I've also spoken on the podcast before about Australia using third country detention on Manusa Nguru for asylum seekers who are trying to reach Australian shores. You've never seen US people of colour, migrants of colour. As equals, these detention camps resulted in illness, contagious diseases and suicides. Australia's immigration regime is so brutal that even Trump points to it and said, that's a good idea. We should do that too. They were a nightmare experiment, one which was dialed back through public pressure, but has yet to fully end. The government committing to pay Nauru $406 million in the first year to resettle them just in time. Detention efficiencies developed in Americas under dictatorship and what was known as Operation condor in the 1970s and early 80s. Charles Davis, why don't you talk about what remigration is? In that case, the US supported and helped to train the military leaders and the political figures from the collaborating dictatorships in a number of countries.

[Charles Davis]

Remigration is basically the policy response to the great replacement conspiracy theory.

[Andrea Pitzer]

In this case, our federal government will be running and funding the entire operation as part of a larger ethnic purge underway nationwide.

[Charles Davis]

They're not just trying to get people out based on pure legal status. You have to view it in the context of trying to eliminate birthright citizenship and rolling back the 20th century.

[Andrea Pitzer]

This is the next stage worsening of prior conditions. That creates a parallel to contractor run or contractor staff facilities created at black sites around the world. After 9 11. There's a book that's called the Least Worst Place.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

Because the American government wanted to be able to detain these people and interrogate them. And we needed to do it outside constitutional protections, but inside a place that was under American control.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And now we're looking at bringing them above board to institutionalize and entrench mass detention of non criminal civilians without due process.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

The working definition of concentration camps in my book is mass detention of civilians without trial or done extraneously to the legal system at the time.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Such a detention network would also launch another free for all money grab to secure contracts by those who don't necessarily have the experience or skills to carry out their tasks humanely.

[Activist or Protest Organizer]

Nearly all ICE detainees are held in facilities that are either owned or operated by for profit companies.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Just as DHS has a vast network of sites with partners nationwide domestically, which it can use to shuttle and hide the immigrants it sweeps off the streets, keeping their legal representatives from finding them. The agency is hoping, I suspect, to create an international network that can even more effectively be used to hide people and to pay corrupt contracts to allies of the administration.

[Activist or Protest Organizer]

I spent $38 billion buying warehouses across the country like this one in San Antonio. The plan was to turn them into giant detention centers. Some thought it meant ICE was going to stop relying so heavily on private contractors.

[Andrea Pitzer]

These camps would also be a threat to democracy at home, much as current ICE facilities are.

[Activist or Protest Organizer]

But the plan is now on hold, and ICE has a new leader, David Ventruella, a former executive at the GEO Group.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Yet these would be much more conducive to letting human beings rot in detention settings that are largely unaccounted for.

[Activist or Protest Organizer]

That created an opportunity for companies like CoreCivic and the GEO Group to reopen prisons and detention centers that had been sitting empty from lack of demand. Many of these former prisons are in states of disrepair.

[Charles Davis]

There was a time where, like, you know, the bathrooms were flooding and there was like feces everywhere.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And as with the war on terror black sites, the US would be corrupting our allies, explicitly destabilizing rule of law and democracy alike. Around the globe, we've seen a worldwide

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

shift toward more aggressive deportation policies.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And once the facilities are constructed, even if a future administration ceases this operation, the US Will have provided an extrajudicial detention site as a donation to the host country. The gift of a concentration camp. The European Parliament also greenlighting plans for overseas detention centers that the 27 member

[Human Rights Expert or Analyst]

states need to formally approve, all of it drawing criticism from human rights activists.

[Andrea Pitzer]

And in the event that appropriations are cut off and there's no funding, the statement of work explains that the contractor may be issued a stop work order. Absent adequate funding obligated on the blanket purchase agreement, the government is not liable for any expense incurred and the contractor proceeds at its own risk. The fate of those detained is not mentioned. And if the US Government doesn't abandon the site, the Trump administration will leave a legacy of a global network of concentration camps in place. Canada nearly tripling deportations between 2022 and 2025. Part of the trend, forced displacement now at historic highs across the globe. According to the un, Such a network wouldn't even have the fig leaf excuse of a war or other emergency to pretend to legitimize its existence.

[Charles Davis]

The United States State Department has actually endorsed this great replacement conspiracy theory.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It would simply be the ethnic purging of the continental U.S. you see that

[Charles Davis]

it's not just about debting out a certain amount of illegal aliens, as they call them, or getting people to self deport.

[Andrea Pitzer]

It's critical that people find out that this is even being planned. Raise awareness however you can. This is a case in which calling your representatives can be really useful. Ask for the staffer who deals with immigration and let them know this is going on and that you want them to call people to account for this plan. Remember that every episode by the time it comes out already has a written Tuesday post with links and you can send that to your representative's offices that will have the links to the government call for proposals and everything else. And you can encourage your senators and your member of Congress to investigate the government's plan for developing these new global detention facilities. If you live in an area with DHS deportation facilities nearby, demand that your local representatives also ask questions to raise awareness. We don't need ice.

[Andrea Pitzer (reading from her book)]

We absolutely don't need this ICE building.

[Andrea Pitzer]

Organize outside ICE and DHS facilities to bring the issue into public consciousness.

[Activist or Protest Organizer]

A peaceful and somber protest.

[Andrea Pitzer]

We have a voice and we have got to be listened to because people are being killed. Rarely do those who oppose the mistreatment of vulnerable communities have so much lead time to help stop a disaster from taking place. We are expressing we are able to do something and if it's only holding up a system sign and being an

[Charles Davis]

old woman at a at a rally,

[Andrea Pitzer]

my God, I'll do it until I die. But once detainees are overseas, our ability to intervene through both public pressure and the courts will become far more limited than they are right now. So it's important to act. And that's it. Thanks for listening to Next Comes what? Please share this with one person who's looking for ways to survive this message to support this podcast. Please become a paid [e-mail] and consider giving Next Comes what? A five star review where you get your podcasts.