BONUS MONDAYS: HEAL Chronic Inflammation on a MULTI-DIMENSIONAL Level! ACTIVATE Body’s Natural Ability! with Gail Lynn

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

BONUS MONDAYS: HEAL Chronic Inflammation on a MULTI-DIMENSIONAL Level! ACTIVATE Body’s Natural Ability! with Gail Lynn

Date: January 5, 2026
Guest: Gail Lynn, engineer, sound & light healing pioneer, and creator of the Harmonic Egg

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Episode Overview

In this bonus Monday episode, Alex Ferrari speaks with Gail Lynn about her revolutionary approach to healing chronic inflammation and other ailments through multidimensional sound and light therapies. They unravel the science, spirituality, and personal stories behind these alternative healing modalities, and discuss the power of intention, ancient wisdom, and self-empowerment in the healing journey. The conversation also touches on Gail’s documentary “It’s Time,” her creation of the Harmonic Egg, and why true healing always requires looking beyond surface-level symptoms to the energetic, emotional, and spiritual roots.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Gail’s Personal Healing Journey

[05:00-11:55]

• Gail’s stressful careers (engineering, telecom, Hollywood) led to migraines, insomnia, thyroid and liver issues, hair loss, and acne by age 37.
• Early experiences with yeast infections taught her the importance of diet (sugar, carbs, hydration) and began her search for alternative healing.
• Chronic migraines from age 17, resistant to conventional medicine.
• Breakthrough came when she encountered sound and light therapy at a conference—a device called a "light box." After four sessions, she saw profound physical and energetic changes—including no more migraines or asthma, improved vision, and hair regrowth.
• Quote: “We're vibrational beings of light and sound from source, from God. Why aren't we healing with sound and light?” (Gail, [10:54])

The Science & Spirituality of Sound and Light Healing

[14:20-19:18; 20:38-23:44; 25:53-28:51]

• Healing modalities work by restoring vibrational balance in the body.
• Drumming and red light help root chakra balance; flute affects the liver; colors correspond to organ systems and energy centers.
• Influence from pioneers like Edgar Cayce, Royal Rife, Wilhelm Reich, and Tesla.
• Higher vibration emotions (like love) support health, while low-vibration emotions (shame, guilt, fear) open the door to disease.
• On intention: “When you can elevate to a place of love, I don't believe disease lives there.” (Gail, [17:13])
• Referenced Masaru Emoto’s water experiments—intention and sound literally restructure water, and therefore our bodies.

Sound Therapy—Mechanics and Modern/Ancient Wisdom

[29:50-34:00]

• Frequency-based approaches may target specific conditions (e.g., cancer), but frequencies change with people and over time.
• Sound therapy is ancient: Egyptians, Sumerians, Aborigines, Greeks, Native Americans—all used sound healing (e.g., didgeridoo for bone healing).
• Quote: “There is no one size fits all. We're all wired differently.” (Gail, [30:46])
• Modern popularity in sound baths—communal and individual healing, but cautions against “picking up” others’ energetic baggage.

Light Therapy—The Power of Color

[49:37-56:06]

• Each light color has physiological effects:
  • Red/orange = stimulating, increases circulation (good for athletes, not for kids or pets)
  • Green = neutral, healing
  • Blue/purple = calming
• Even colors in clothing and food affect mood, appetite, and healing.
• “Wear red, eat red foods… what foods are replenishing what vitamins and minerals, and is there a relationship to what color they are?” (Gail, [49:15])
• Light quality matters; ancient wisdom included silk-dyed color infusions, but any colored light can have effects.

The Importance of Root Cause and Empowerment

[38:32-45:58]

• True healing is about addressing the underlying root, not masking symptoms.
• Each organ corresponds to emotional roots (e.g., liver = anger, lungs = grief, kidneys = fear).
• Medical establishment’s limitations: focuses on symptoms, lacks training in nutrition/emotional health, constrained by profit motives and time.
• Empowerment: “We need to take our power back… grow your own food. We should be asking, ‘how do I heal myself?’ not just, ‘what can I take?’” (Gail, [81:49])

Sacred Geometry, Tesla, and the Harmonic Egg

[57:13-94:49]

• Nature and healing follow sacred geometry (3,6,9 patterns, Tesla’s insights).
• Harmonic Egg: a channelled, walnut-wood healing chamber using sound, light, and vibration for deep, individualized energetic balancing.
  • Non-franchise, matriarchal business model focused on community and empowerment.
  • Over 150 centers in 12 countries.
• Quote: “Nature respects sacred geometry... Everything in nature is sacred geometry.” (Gail, [57:21])
• Quote: “The egg finds you.” (Gail, [93:16]; both joke and gentle wisdom)

The Role of Intention and Self-Responsibility

[59:57-66:37; 69:01-74:14]

• Intention sets healing in motion. Healing happens when we combine intention, sound, light, community, and self-responsibility.
• Placebo effect is real—belief transforms outcomes (childhood bed-wetting "cured" with a sugar pill).
• The stories we tell ourselves (about our bodies, worth, capacity to heal) can be as important as any physical intervention.
• Quote: “Don’t be your story. Change. Rise above your story. Know that you’re not your story. You’re a wonderful, awesome being—and learn to love yourself.” (Gail, [103:52])

Societal Healing—Kindness and Connection

[85:40-87:10]

• “It’s Time”—the film—grew out of witnessing social anger and division, and is a call to kindness, connection, and healing at every level.
• Quote: “If 10% of the people would do more with love and kindness, we could change the world.” (Gail referencing the film’s core message, [86:47])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the body’s ability to heal:
  “True healing to me is you heal at the root… I haven’t had [a migraine] for, knock on wood, 15 years. It’s crazy.” (Gail, [38:32],[11:49])

• On vibration and health:
  “The higher the vibration, then it seems like the healthier that you are.” (Gail, [19:09])

• On healing’s emotional roots:
  “Every organ, every body part has a message it’s trying to send you.” (Gail, [40:06])

• Spirituality & science converge:
  “We’re vibrational beings of light and sound from source, from God. Why aren’t we healing with sound and light?” (Gail, [10:54])

• On the role of intention:
  “When two or more are gathered… you start attracting what you intend.” (Gail, [60:41])

• On stories and belief:
  “The stories we tell ourselves are the things that control our lives in all aspects of it, and healing being one of the major ones.” (Alex, [71:12])

• On self-empowerment:
  “We need to take our power back.” (Gail, [81:49])

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 05:00 – Gail’s early career/life health breakdown
• 10:54 – “We’re vibrational beings…” The sound & light epiphany
• 17:13 – Illness and the vibration of emotions
• 20:38 – The Emoto water experiment and the power of words/sound
• 29:51 – Sound/frequency and targeting disease, individualized healing
• 38:32 – Defining “true healing”; root cause medicine
• 49:37 – How specific light wavelengths & colors affect healing
• 57:21 – Sacred geometry, Tesla, and nature’s math
• 81:49 – Empowerment, growing food, taking back control
• 86:47 – The central message of the documentary: love and kindness
• 93:16 – “The egg finds you”—serendipity and healing
• 103:52 – “Don’t be your story.”

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Closing Reflections

Alex and Gail close the episode emphasizing that healing is multi-dimensional—spanning the energetic, emotional, spiritual, and physical. They encourage listeners to keep an open mind, research for themselves, embrace the power within, and approach their healing (and one another) with kindness and self-love. Gail’s film, “It’s Time,” and the Harmonic Egg are offered as resources, but the larger invitation is toward curiosity, discernment, and self-empowerment on the unique healing path.

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Further Resources

• Gail Lynn & the Harmonic Egg: harmonicegg.com
• “It’s Time” film: itstime.love (available on Next Level Soul TV, YouTube, and more)
• Next Level Soul TV: nextlevelsoul.tv
• Episode show notes: nextlevelsoul.com/532

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“Let it flow effortlessly.” — Gail Lynn ([97:24])

Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

Welcome to Next Level Soul. The place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host Alex Ferrari and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here, we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion, A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your Next level soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv. Our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode to welcome to the show, Gail Lynn. How you doing, Gail?

[Gail Lynn]

Good, how are you?

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for.

[Gail Lynn]

Excited to be here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming down to the Next Level Soul Studios. I really appreciate it. I'm, you know, we met through a mutual friend, Susie Miller, who I absolutely adore.

[Gail Lynn]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And she, her episode was amazing on the show and she, she recommended I take a look at you and what you're doing. And we, and I was just opening up Next Level Soul tv. I was in the preparatory motions of building up that streaming platform and then you have a documentary and I'm like, let me look at. I watched the documentary. I'm like, oh my God, this would be an amazing addition to the platform. Would you be interested? She's like, absolutely. And it was just worked very synergetically because you had no idea I was building that at the time. No idea because no one knows about it. You know, as of this recording, they'll know about it. But before, no one really knew that I was building out this entire spiritual, healing, light filled platform. And your film was just a perfect thing. It's called It's Time. So when I went down the rabbit hole on that, I was like, oh, I have to have her on. And now you're here. So we're going to talk all about what you're doing and your journey. My first question to you is you had some health issues early on in your life and you've tried everything and you're trying to figure things out. So can you talk to everybody a little bit about what was happening to you and then what kind of turned. What turned the dial for you?

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, I started out in engineering at a young age and then I moved on to telecom and then I moved into Hollywood. And after those three careers, in what, 25 years, I was finding I had migraine headaches, I had insomnia, I had thyroid issues, I had liver issues, my hair was falling out, if you can believe that. And I had cystic acne. Just. And I'm thinking, I'm 37 years old. You know, that happens when you get older. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, by the way, and I could attest, anyone who does work in Hollywood, these are the symptoms.

[Gail Lynn]

So I almost had a nervous breakdown. I mean, it was very stressful, situation tense. And seven years of that, you know, raising the money and doing. I mean, I feel like Hollywood is so many different businesses. From the time that you write the business plan, you raise the money, you do pre production, post production, editing, marketing, film festivals, there's all these different businesses. You have to learn. And so at the end of that, I was spent and I knew I was really sick. But again, here's me. Oh, I'm 37. I'm getting older. I'm 54 now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Kill to be 37.

[Gail Lynn]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can you imagine?

[Gail Lynn]

I am so happy being 54. I am so happy with how I feel. I love my life. It's amazing. But at that time I was like, if I don't make some changes, I'm not gonna make it. But I thought I was really good in corporate America and even Hollywood. It's like project management, producer, project manager. And that's what I was good at. And so I was always told the biggest sin of all is not using your God given gift. And my God given gift was operations and project management. I was really, really good at it. So I started to seek out different alternative. And I had been trying to seek out alternative methods since I was in my 20s because I always had yeast infections. Okay, now nobody told me you get a yeast infection if you drink a Mountain Dew and eat a Snickers bar and have pasta for lunch and pasta for dinner every day. Nobody told me that.

[Alex Ferrari]

With breadsticks, I'm sure.

[Gail Lynn]

With breadsticks, right? Olive Garden, right. So I said, okay. Now, in my 20s, I was getting a yeast infection every month. And I'm sure there's women out there that will relate to this. It was just yeast and Candida just building up every month. And so then I realized, oh, I can cut out the pasta, cut out the sugar and the yeast infections. Go away. Wow. Great. And then I was watching my grandma. She had diabetes. And my mom said, oh, diabetes runs in our family. I was, okay, well, grandma worked at the bakery, ate danishes off the line every day. That's why she has diabetes. And, you know, my mom, after breakfast, after lunch, after dinner, we would have dessert. You know, we were limited to dessert, but it was sugar, sugar, sugar. So I realized that that had to change. So at an early age, in my 20s, I started to look at health and I started to realize hydration is important and eating well is important. So when I came up, you know, into my 30s, and I'm sick and I say, okay, what can I do? I tried western medicine. I even worked for a doctor's office when I was 17. And my migraines started at 17 years old. And when that happened, my mom had no idea what was happening. And I just remember being in bed and I couldn't get into the light. I couldn't talk. Scared her half to death. So when I asked the doctor, what can we do for migraines? Oh, no one knows why people get migraines. So there's nothing we can do. They put me on a drug, and I didn't want that. I knew that. I mean, even at a young age, I knew there was more than just drugging it up, taking pills, surgeries. And so at 37, I said, what else can I do? So I was at a C level conference, and there was a man that gets on stage and he says, sound and light therapy. And he has this light box, and it was a rectangular box. Okay, this is a little bit weird. My engineering mind is thinking, okay, what is this thing? And he shows a presentation of a little boy that when you see his face, there's no soul behind the eyes. And he didn't have hair, he didn't have teeth. And this woman was saying, you know, no one gets to say that my kid is never going to have hair, never going to have teeth, never going to talk. And so mother's love is so powerful. And you can't. You know, doctors can't put an expiration date on these kids because the mother's not going to let that happen. So she found this light box. So I'm watching the presentation. I'm looking at this little boy. And as he does sessions, the little boy, you see a soul come into the eyes. Wait a minute, what is this? And so I bully my way up to the stage. After the presentation, the little boy does come on stage with arm crutches, and he's hair and he has teeth and he's walking and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this crazy lightbox did this. And it was just sounding light therapy. So I bully my way up to the stage and I say to him, I said, can this help with migraine headaches? I just saw this kid, right? But that's what plagued me. And he says, the body doesn't know disease by name. And I'm like, what an idiot. That's not an answer. I'm from corporate America. Give me a yes or a no. Well, now, knowing what I know about you can't make claims. And that was a perfect answer. The body doesn't know disease by name. Something's imbalanced. There's something going on. So I flew to a location that he had and within like two sessions, the severe cardiovascular stress was gone. And I started to get a migraine while I was there. Come on, you know, you never know when you're going to get one. And it went away really quickly. Weird. Okay, there's something to this. And when I got home after four sessions, I got home and I rode my bicycle up a hill, which I had asthma since I was 4. And I got to the top of the hill and I can breathe. Couldn't have been that silly lightbox, of course, because my engineering mind, there's no way. And then I went to the eye doctor and he said, why are you wearing glasses? Your eyesight's 20 20. I said, I've been wearing glasses since I was 19. He said, well, you don't need glasses. Okay, did this sound and light therapy do this? We're vibrational beings of light and sound from source, from God. Why aren't we healing with sound and light? That's when I just dove into everything. I dove into sound and light therapy. I read over 200 books and eventually everything went away. The cystic acne went away, the hair grew back in. Got off my thyroid meds, my liver healed, my migraine. So I haven't had one for, knock on wood, 15 years. It's crazy. So how is that.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I have to ask because I always like to play devil's advocate here. How in hell is this happening? Like, what is the technology? What is the science behind this? Because it's not just woo woo stuff like, you know, like, hey, there's a crystal. And not that there's anything wrong with crystals, but you know what I mean? Like if, like, you know, you're like throwing an herb on top of you or sage is smoking and everything's going to work out. That doesn't seem to make a whole lot of logical sense. Now obviously your results are speak for themselves. But what was the technology? What was the science? Is there a science behind this healing? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Gail Lynn]

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[Gail Lynn]

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[WSECU Representative]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Gail Lynn]

So it's a great question. That's what I dove into. And I thought I'm lying in this light box with on a 4 inch foam pad and it's got these like automotive speakers underneath and you're looking up at a clearly painted rainbow colored light bulb. How can this even work? So when I started diving into the science of it, if we're vibrational beings of light and set, you know from source, then sound and light can heal us. The sunlight can heal us. We know that. And so I started looking at the music, the type of music, because I did purchase two of these light boxes, opened up a center in 2010 in Denver and have amazing results. And just asking the people, like, what are you doing? Is this all you're doing? Are you doing something else? And most of the people were so desperate that they would try to lie in this silly light box. Right. And see what happened. And so when I started studying the waveforms of instruments, this is where I think it came in. I looked at the solfeggio suite and the different frequencies, and when I looked at the waveforms of instruments, the flute has a really simple waveform, and it's affecting the liver. And so many people, I'd put them in the box on flute music, and they would tell me, oh, I felt some uncomfortableness in my right side here. That's where your liver is. And then I started to look at the chakras in the colors. So what I put together is drumming can help. That waveform can help bring the root chakra back into balance as well as red light. And so started building a protocol around the waveforms of instruments, colors of light. And when you look at Edgar Cayce's work, Edgar Cayce's consciousness came into this. Royal Reifs, Wilhelm Reich. It's a bit of an Oregon box. Nikola Tesla. And I started to bring this all together. When you bring together the spiritual forces of sound and the spiritual forces of light, as Edgar says, it's a great modality for the future. He said that in the 40s.

[Alex Ferrari]

A little bit ahead. Well, Edgar was a little bit ahead of his time.

[Gail Lynn]

A lot ahead. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very, very interesting. So, okay, so let's. Let's dive in a little deeper here. I mean, let's. Let's take them one at a time. So sound therapy. Let's go through sound therapy first. I understand the idea of vibration or frequency that we all are. We all are at a frequency scientifically, that's determined planets ring at a certain frequency. The universe has a certain frequency to it. How does the sound bring things back into. Like, can you explain if there is a science behind what is happening to the body?

[Gail Lynn]

Well, do you know David Hawkins?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Gail Lynn]

Power versus force. So if you look at people live in fear, and they're at a very low vibration. And this is where I think I can answer the question that maybe it will make sense. Shame, guilt, fear, those kind of emotions are a low vibration. Love is the highest vibration. So when you can elevate to a place of love, I don't believe disease lives there. I believe that disease lives in fear and shame and guilt. And even when I went to a conference called Music as Medicine, we Went to Barcelona and I raised my hand and I asked, you know, are they using the waveforms of instruments? Are they using the frequencies? And these were all a lot of doctors, and the doctors that were on the stage were saying, oh, no, we're letting people listen to their favorite music. If it's, you know, rap music or whatever. I'm thinking, I don't think it works that way. I think that the musician also has to have a certain vibration for the music to be of healing nature. And so I think when we raise our vibration, that's when we come into balance. We come into harmony, we come into love, we come into our highest self in kindness and in gratitude. And so I kind of explained to people when they're at that lower vibration, living in fear or anger or guilt, they're susceptible to disease because disease is attracted to that. So if I have to explain different frequencies, there's also the Solfagio suite, 528Hz. They say it's the frequency of love or it heals the DNA. Everybody has a guess. I don't think there is one size fits all. And so what if you're vibrating at 600 hertz or 800 hertz? Now, when David Hawkins wrote his book, I think 1100 hertz was, maybe it was a thousand hertz was the Christ consciousness, the Christ vibration. But when he passed away, he even said, it's higher. Now it's 1200, it's going up. So what I talk to people about is the higher the vibration, then it seems like the healthier that you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is there a way to find out what vibration? Is there some sort of method to find that out?

[Gail Lynn]

People use the pendulum in muscle checking. But you have to be really careful with muscle checking. I mean, if I'm going to muscle check, do I need chocolate? I'm going to probably get a yes. I'm going to make it a yes, right? Yes, yes, for sure. I definitely need chocolate. But, you know, people will do muscle checking and they have to be really careful. I've had so many doctors and physicians do muscle checking and say, oh, this modality isn't right for you, but they don't know anything about it.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you say, is muscle checking different than muscle testing?

[Gail Lynn]

I think it's the same. Okay, so some people do the tilt test, some people do the arm, some people do this, some people do, you know, this. And so when you're doing that kind of stuff, you have to be really careful because emotions can get in the way. And I do think our consciousness comes into play. I had a doctor and he said, oh, no one's testing to do. Do you know the sound and light therapy? Once I educated him on what sound and light therapy was, then everybody was testing to need it, so it came into his consciousness. Interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting. Yeah. So there's. When you were talking, something just popped into my head. Was that documentary from the Japanese researcher with sound on the particles of water.

[Gail Lynn]

Emoto.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Emoto, where he was able to project sound, but also just words.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Just writing the word love on a bottle of water and writing the word hate on a bottle of water, letting it sit overnight and then the next morning, putting them both underneath a microscope. And literally there'd be something different. Like, one was beautiful, the other one was, like, edgy and often and very distorted, which is a fascinating idea. So. And then when you yell at a plant or play it, you know. You know, speed metal versus Versus, you know, something classical, you. There's literal differences in the way they grow. So sound has been. It's always been something very powerful to us. But it's, I think, more and more coming into play that people are starting to recognize on a more mainstream level that there's something here. It's not just woo woo and chakras and crystals and, you know, and patchouli.

[Gail Lynn]

That's from the 70s. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's where a lot of this stuff originated from. The 60s of the hippie movement is where it really came up. Now, how many people are in the 50s talking about this? Edgar was one of the few in the 40s. But the 60s is where a lot of this came up. And a lot of it was, you know, washed away with the same. They threw the baby out with the bathwater with a lot of these ideas. But now, over the decades, people are starting to come around to not only just like, the idea of it, but the science behind it. So, like in the documentary, and it's Time, one of your guests, one of your speakers was showing an example of what a certain vibration on the speaker.

[Gail Lynn]

The cymatics.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And they threw sand on it. And every, I think, frequency automatically had its own geometric, sacred geometry that just formed automatically. That's insane. How does that. Can you explain that?

[Gail Lynn]

I can't explain that, but I can. We can talk around the Emoto thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, please.

[Gail Lynn]

And we'll kind of go to the tones and different things, too. So with Emoto's work, you're right. And it's beautiful. Perfect snowflakes when you're talking about love and gratitude. But Then when you talk about hate and anger and fear, then the crystals are all gnarly. They're ugly. Think about our body. Mostly water. Think about when we say, oh, I'm so stupid. Oh, that was dumb that you did that. Think about what we're doing to the cells in our body. So when I watched the movie what the bleep when she was writing the little hearts, I did that for a while. I'm like, I'm just gonna take my little eyeliner pencil and make little hearts all over my body because I want to love myself. And so many people don't love themselves and so think about their gnarly selves and think about then attracting other people that, that don't love themselves and so that vibration that they're attracting.

[Alex Ferrari]

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If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built JOY because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy, metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, Supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs. And you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Gail Lynn]

And so there's another part too of the cymatics you wanted to talk about. The cymatics? Yes. It creates mandala forms. So I've talked to John Stewart Reed, he's kind of the modern day cymatics expert. And we've talked about music and the different frequencies. And it does, it creates this beautiful mandala effect. Different frequencies. And so think about what those frequencies are doing to our bodies. And that's really where I love talking about. And then what if you've had a lot of astrologies on the show, astrologers, and they talk about when you were born. What if, when you were born you were missing a tone from your voice and that created an illness or disease that's common. So a lot of people say, oh, Scorpio, I'm Scorpio. Scorpios have a lot of colon issues. Well, maybe that's because when you dropped on the planet, there was a tone missing from your voice. So there's now voice analysis people that do they, you record your voice and they'll tell you you're missing the tone of G sharp or you're missing the tone of F sharp or F or C. And it correlates really well to what's going on with their body. I used to do this in my center and I had a lady come in and I listened to her voice and it's, it's something you have to do. It's not like you just say 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, you know, whatever. You want to talk to them about their childhood. You're using a digital tuner and a microphone and you're six feet away from them. There's no, you know, the six feet that we had to social distance. I don't think there was an accident about that. How our auras connect with each other. So you're about six feet away from them and you talk to them about their childhood, talk to them about their relationship with their parents and say they have a pain in their body, they have a hip pain. You let them give that pain an audible voice and they might just be like, oh, I know it's terrible. But then at the end of that session, you ask them, what would the audible voice be if you didn't have to Deal with that pain. And maybe they. That's when the missing tone comes in. So think about how powerful our bodies are and our minds that even though they still have that pain, when they just gave that voice, that they didn't have that pain anymore. And that missing tone shows up. How incredible is this? What is going on? That. So I had clients that used to come in and my one client worked on stained glass windows and a lot of lead, a lot of heavy metals. When she came in, she had a raspy voice because she had so many metals in her body. And sounding light therapy can detox heavy metals as well as dark leafy greens and other things. And so she would leave with a different voice.

[Alex Ferrari]

How is that possible?

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah. And you detox this. That kind of is a trauma. Heavy metals is a trauma, sure. So that trauma created her to have a missing tone, which made her voice raspy. When she released those metals, her voice changed.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't know if I said I might be making. Making this up or I'm misunderstanding it, but there was something I saw somewhere in the social media world or on YouTube or something that they were. They were. They were finding out that they can actually target cancer cells with sound at the frequency of the. I don't know if it's the frequency of the cancer cell or something, where, in other words, it's non invasive and it could just go in and it basically eradicates that cancerous cell while not touching anything else. Again, I'm not making any claims or anything like that. It's just something I heard. Have you heard of anything?

[Gail Lynn]

Something similar.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is that?

[Gail Lynn]

So 111 hertz, some people were saying, but if you think about it, everybody's frequency is different in the morning and it's different in the evening and it's different in different seasons. Right. So just like the Shulman frequency. So. And then royal rife had it. He had it down. But he used a universal microscope and he stained the cells for each individual client patient so he could see where he. Where they were, meet them where they are. But a lot of people are using the right frequencies now that he used in the 40s or 50s. Well, cancer isn't the same frequency anymore. It's different. So it's going to be different for every body. There is no one size fits all. We're all wired differently. So I believe if he was still around and using that universal microscope and staining the cells, we could really dial in to what the frequency of each person's, let's say, just cancer or any disease, any disease, and eradicate it with an exact opposite frequency to neutralize it from the cell.

[Alex Ferrari]

So on a scientific standpoint, I think.

[Gail Lynn]

It can work, but it's not going to be the same for everybody.

[Alex Ferrari]

So has this been kind of tested in the scientific space? Like what kind of, you know, scientific studies. Has there been peer reviews or anything like that that's even been. Or even rudimentary research? Because I know how the medical establishment is. So is there any sort of medical research about this stuff?

[Gail Lynn]

So the people who are doing sound and light don't have millions of dollars or billions of dollars to do these studies. So I have tried to, you know, but I don't think that studying 20 people between the ages of 16 and 90 is a really controlled study. So I've had doctors call me. Well, did you, you know, have you done a controlled study? I go, for me, a controlled study is that. It's the. They're the same sex, they're the same age, they're the same, they have the same mother and father, they had the same job, they lived in the same city, they had the same diet. That would be a controlled study. When they say they do a controlled study and they're ranged from, you know, 18 to 90 years old, males and females, sick and not sick. Yeah. So for me, that doesn't tell, you know, I'm an engineer and that doesn't tell me anything. I need to see consistency. So I don't think there's a lot out there. People have made, you know, theories, but there's. I don't think there's enough money to fund these kinds of studies.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the sound. So as far as sound therapy is concerned, how long has that been?

[Gail Lynn]

Around 40, 000 years.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so within, so within the last, you know, it was. Is there anything in ancient history talking about sound therapy?

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

What, what, what, what cultures?

[Gail Lynn]

The ancient Egyptians, the Sumerians, the Aborigines, the Native Americans, the Greeks, all of them have something of something. And that's. Yeah, yeah. And even if it was, think about the didgeridoo.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Gail Lynn]

And there is research out there that the didgeridoo can help to heal bones. And there's research out there about flutes and there's even stuff in the Bible about musicians using flute instruments to get rid of anger for certain characters in the Bible. So it's out there, it's been out there, But I don't think that there's a lot of money to be made by sitting in the sun or listening to music.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or grounding.

[Gail Lynn]

Or grounding something along the lines.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sound baths are all the rage now. What is. Is that just another kind of version of this where you're hitting. You know, I know each of those bowls have a certain frequency, and then if you get the gong, each gong is at a certain frequency and so on. Is that kind of like a one? Because I've had sound baths done. They're amazing.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they just kind of like. It's like this. It's literally what. It's all a sound bath. So you're being constantly bombarded with this sound at multiple frequencies. It's not like a healing scenario, per se, like very surgical, like, with this frequency to hit that. But it's an overall. Like, you're hitting with all these kinds of frequencies. And after I was done with. With many of them, I just feel like. I feel good. I don't know what the hell's going on, but I feel good about it. What. Can you talk a little bit about that?

[Gail Lynn]

So there's group healing, and then there's individual healing. And so I love sound baths. We've been to the gong baths and, you know, crystal bowls and, like, the little chimes, and I just go to another place. What happens with me as an empath, and I'm sure lots of your audience are empaths. I end up picking things up that people released, and it's just a thing. So I believe that there's healers out there that are brilliant and they know how to clear the room before and after, but there's healers out there that aren't. So people are walking out the door with other people's baggage. They got the wrong bag at the baggage claim, and they're carrying someone else's baggage out. So we want to be really careful about that. I like. I like individual healing because I think when we heal ourselves, then we heal the planet, you know, individually. So. But I love these things. I think they're the sound baths. There was an article not too long ago. It says Jim Carrey was seen leaving a sound bath. You know, so it is catching on. It is becoming mainstream. It is the. They say it's the medicine of the future, but the future is now.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Yeah, people are talking about sound more than I've ever had before. I've had some guests on who talk about sound healing, sound frequency and, and what the magic of it is, but it is a very powerful. You can viscerally feel it. I mean, you can't. It's kind of like when you go to an opera or you go to a classical, you know, an orchestra or a symphony or something along those lines. The energy that you feel coming from, you know, people who understand, like the performers who are at the top of their level, know how to play those instruments so perfectly. You feel this wave. I mean, people are brought to tears. People are brought to the emotions because the vibrations, the frequencies of these sounds are so powerful. So sound is no joke, right?

[Gail Lynn]

Oh my gosh, I love it. I, I'm obsessed with it now and, you know, looking at the different instruments, looking at the different historical societies that have used it. I went to Egypt and I felt like I brought back a lot of the Egyptian energy into, you know, my technology. And then I went to Greece. I told my boyfriend, I said, we need to go to Greece because I have to go to the Asclepios healing area and pull some energy from there. And people will come in and say, oh my gosh, there's Egyptian energy in here, there's Greek energy in here. Everything's energy. And it's just such a beautiful thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

So with, with everything that people know nowadays about healing, the term healing is very interesting because when you go to, you know, you have, you have a headache and you take an aspirin, you healed, quote, unquote. What is your definition of true healing?

[Gail Lynn]

True healing to me is you heal at the root. Okay, so some people are going to take a mask to put a band aid on it. And that's what I knew that a drug was going to do for my migraines. It's just going to put a band aid on it. So what is the root cause of this? And there's books, Louise Hay and Michael Lincoln, messages from the body, like, why are you having this? What is the root cause of it? And so when I looked at migraines, it could have been issues with liver, kidneys, but more importantly, dysautonomia, which is an imbalance in the autonomic nervous system. So basically stuck in fight or flight. That could be parasites. It could be heavy metals. So that's why doctors say we don't know why people get migraines. There's the same with tinnitus or tinnitus. There's so many reasons why people could have. It could be inflammation, could be liver, could be kidneys, could be heavy metals, could be parasites. A lot of people have Epstein Barr virus right now, and it seems to be a mutation of the old strep. I don't know. When you were a kid, did you have strep?

[Alex Ferrari]

I had strep probably a few years ago.

[Gail Lynn]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because I have children. Because that's fine. Yeah, they're lovely.

[Gail Lynn]

Right? Right. They bring home all these gifts.

[Alex Ferrari]

You just lick the floor when you walk into a place, Just lick the handstand, just lick the seats. Just let's. Why are we wasting time?

[Gail Lynn]

I see little kids crawling onto the floor. They drop food, they pick it up, they eat it. You know, it's like. They're good.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they have to build their immune systems. I'm good. Yeah. I don't need any more. Please. Thank you.

[Gail Lynn]

I love it. I love it. Yeah. So we want to look at the root cause. And that's where I look. I say, okay, what is the root cause? Different parts of the body are going to be different reasons that you have issues. If you have a lot of liver problems, probably suppressing a lot of anger, lung issues, probably suppressing a lot of grief, kidney issues, probably suppressing a lot of fear. So every organ, every body part has a message that's trying to send you. And like we talked about in the movie, Deborah says, if you don't listen to the whispers, you get the nudges. If you don't listen to the nudges, you get the hammer. And the hammer is the cancers. The Parkinson's, the degenerative stage four illnesses. Because maybe you stubbed your toe, you didn't listen, then you broke your ankle, you didn't listen, then you tore your rotator cuff. Still didn't listen, you get the hammer. We've got to learn to listen to our bodies.

[Alex Ferrari]

And so why is it that the medical establishment has since its inception, essentially really focused so much on the treatments, but not the root cause? They don't understand, you know, And I know this is definitely a wormhole, to say the least. I have a lot of doctors in my family. We have conversations about this all the time. I love, I forgot who said it in the movie, but they said modern medicine is great for heroics. You need a heart transplant, someone shot you, you know, you got into a car accident. Don't rub an herb on me. Don't get the leaves away. Get me into a hospital. They're really great at that. But the long term understanding of human health, they're not really great at that. So, you know, I asked, I asked a relative right now who just became a doctor probably a couple years ago and is not very happy about how the system is running. But that's another conversation. She's like, why did I do this? That I go, how much nutrition, just nutritional study did you have in all, all the years in medical school? They're like, we took probably like two classes on nutrition. And I'm like, it's, it's literally the guy who, the Hippocratic oath, that guy, he said, food is thy medicine.

[Gail Lynn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And yet it's not that. So why do you think the medical establishment has been focused so much on the treatments but not the root cause? Is it because there's not as much money to be made on that? I mean, I have to believe at a certain point. I mean, doctors are great. Yeah, doctors are here to help us. I think most of them are. You know, they're trying to assist us in the best way they know how. But a lot of them have been resistant to nutrition, to vitamin therapy, to the therapies. We're talking about anything that's alternative, outside of the norm. They don't even want to investigate it. This goes for all establishments in general, from science to everything. So why do you think?

[Gail Lynn]

Well, greed. We talk about this in the movie. Charles talks about it, Cynthia talks about it. Greed is one. But like I, I talk to people all the time. And we're the culmination of the things we listen to, the books we read, the shows that we watch, the people we hang around with. Well, it's not the doctor's fault that they weren't taught. This is what they're taught. This is what they're taught they're supposed to do as doctors. They take the Hippocratic oath, to do no harm. But when they're in their training, they're taught that, you know, Ozempic is a great drug. It's awesome. It's great for diabetes. And now it's weight loss. And now I'm talking to college kids, and they're saying, you're not cool if you're not on Oz. Epic.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, there's. If you're a college kid, unless you have a real medical issue for it, please don't take it.

[Gail Lynn]

Right, right. But they're taking it, and then you can't get off of it. So there's a lot of things, but this is what they're taught. When I worked for the doctor's office, and I was 17 years old, and I made a lot of observations. This doctor's office was in Michigan, and they prescribed diet pills to elderly women. And my boyfriend's grandmother was one of their patients. And I'm flipping through the charts, and I'm thinking, she's gained 20 pounds since she started these diet pills. And so I talked to the doctor, and he said, well, she said, they make me feel so good and I can get my house clean. It was speed, of course. It was like they put this old lady on speed. Yeah. She's like, yeah, right. I'm getting on clear. Right. So I. And so I got fired from that job because I was always questioning the doctors. But I'm watching the reps coming in, and they're maybe 20 years old. They had a weekend course about this drug, and they're coming in and telling the doctors, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. You need to give it to everybody. And I'm watching all three of them driving Porsches and going out all the time with these reps, and I'm making observations. And so people were coming up to the. To the window and asking for things that they shouldn't be getting, because you're supposed to only get that every 30 days. And I got fired, of course. So I think it's a lot of just. They're not educated on how the body works. They're educated on how to prescribe something to heal a symptom, if that makes sense. And so it's not their fault. And they don't have time to dig into it because the insurance companies are saying, you got five minutes with this person in five minutes. You can't tell me that you understand why this woman has a stomachache. You put her on an ulcer medicine. But if you don't know that she's Worried about her son because he's getting into some trouble no matter what you do. And that's where the worry, the pancreas, the stomach. So if they're not asking her what emotions are going on and they're not taught that, so it's not their fault. But we need to change the system. The system's neither health nor care, so we need to change that.

[Alex Ferrari]

You were talking a little bit about the chakra system and things like that. How does the spiritual legacy, if you will, spiritual ideas play into energy and sound and light therapy? How is that all mixed in? Because you're saying, like the red of the root chakra and that kind of stuff. Can you kind of dive into that a little bit?

[Gail Lynn]

So spiritually, I'm not sure if I'll answer this correctly or not, but I feel like the chakra system is so ancient, and it's ancient in Eastern medicine, and then we had Western medicine, and there's some theories about how we separated that years ago with the Vatican and the Pope trying to sell somebody's souls and. And, yeah, it just separated everything. So I feel like there is definitely spiritual forces in sound and there's spiritual forces in light. And so that's how I would relate. That's how I would answer that question, that sound is spiritual, light is spiritual. And when we look at the way our body and our nervous system is set up, and we might be wrong, maybe red is not the root chakra, maybe purple is not the crown chakra.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's been red for 4,000 years.

[Gail Lynn]

Right, right, right. But can it change? We don't know as the planet's changing. Look, how much is changing right now.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Gail Lynn]

And so what if that all changes? But right now, red is the root chakra, purple is the crown chakra. And we look at things from the spiritual forces of sound and the spiritual forces of light. So when I create music, because I do still produce music, I look at what waveform of instrument do I want to use? So say we want to work on detoxing heavy metals. It's probably going to be some didgeridoos, some drumming. To penetrate the density of the organs that are here and to release, like, heavy metals from being stuck in the bloodstream and the organs, you got to have a little bit of base. We got to love that base. And then we'll put on different light colors. You can do this at home. You can wear red, you can eat red foods. And I'm starting to study right now. Like, what foods are replenishing, what vitamins and minerals, and is there a relationship to what color they are?

[Alex Ferrari]

No, There is.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, there is. That's science.

[Gail Lynn]

So B vitamins and orange and red foods and orange light. So looking at how to replenish that way. So I think. Not sure if I answered the question, but spiritually, I think that there's spiritual forces to sound and spiritual forces to light.

[Alex Ferrari]

We've kind of dug into the sound therapy a whole lot now. What's. What about light therapy? Because, you know, sound, I get. I'm like, I'm devil's advocate here. Sound, I understand, because you can literally feel it, but you walk into a box and there's some red light on you. Like, I've heard of red, and this has now been proven. But like red therapy, or I think a red light therapy, where athletes are now recovering faster because of this red light therapy. Can you explain what that is? Because that to me sounds so much more woo than sound frequency. Because sound frequency, you literally can see it. You could feel it. There is some studies behind it. But with light, you're like, what am I doing? Like, I've been in saunas with a red light on. I'm like, does all red lights work? Does a specific red light work? What's the. What's happening there?

[Gail Lynn]

So every light color has a different spectrum. So reds and oranges are more stimulating, where greens are more neutral. Blues are very calming. Purple, calming, relaxing. And so that's kind of how I design my protocols. When you have red Light therapy, it can actually increase the circulation. So that's why I think red light therapy is great for athletes with injuries because it can increase the circulation, help that that injury to heal faster. But you don't want to put a little kid on red light therapy. They're already crazy enough, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. They have enough energy and, oh, God, their bodies. Yeah. My kids come up to me like, oh, my back hurts. I'm like, shut up. Just shut up. What is wrong with you? You're sore. Like, you're just sore because you did something in gym.

[Gail Lynn]

Shut.

[Alex Ferrari]

Until you wake up and everything starts popping. I don't want to hear anything.

[Gail Lynn]

Oh, my gosh. Right? I know. Like, I, I, I hear you because after I turned 50, I'm like, what.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is this little, I don't know, 50, is that Mark? I don't know if it's like all of a sudden things just like, pop, pop. Like, what is happening to me?

[Gail Lynn]

I have to change that mindset. I'm like, no, 50. I'm going down.

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[Gail Lynn]

I'm gonna go down in age now. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Go ahead. Let me know if that works out.

[Gail Lynn]

Right, Right. So even on red light, we don't use it for pets. Even we, you know, because they don't need the stimulation. Right, Right. Oh, yeah. Can you imagine a Chihuahua? So every color, I think, has a different, different spectrum. Look at McDonald's, look at these restaurants. Think about it. There's a lot of red in McDonald's, Burger King, Arby's, KFC. Stimulating, stimulating the appetite.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that, but, and I don't mean to cut you off here, but, but color spectrum in the filmmaking world, that's extremely powerful storytelling. Because if you put someone in a red jacket, it's very different. If you put them in a green jacket or a blue jacket or a black, the standard black guy, the bad guy wears black, the good guy wears white. Old, old school kind of stuff like that. So it's a very powerful. Just that alone. We react to colors in a different way. But I never thought of it as a healing aspect or connection to it.

[Gail Lynn]

You don't want to paint your kitchen yellow. It stimulates the appetite. Look at the banks. A lot of banks are blues and greens. Calming, trustworthy. You know, hey, bring your educated or.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wisdom comes from that look.

[Gail Lynn]

And there's no accident that. Look at the trees. I mean, I love looking at trees. Every different color of green. I can't even explain all the colors of green and the grass. And it's a neutral color, it's a healing color. And so when we look at color, we have to look at what is. What does it affect, how does it affect the body? And not everybody's going to respond the same to every color. Like I have how one lady, I put her on orange light one time and she's like, I hate orange light. Okay, let's dig into this. Why do you hate orange light at the root? Cause after about an hour conversation when she was born, it was a traumatic birth. And what she remembers is that the nurses had orange smocks on.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the association.

[Gail Lynn]

And she was 25 years old. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's what she was. She remembered that.

[Gail Lynn]

That. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting. So, so, all right, so. So each light, does it matter, the quality of light? Could it be a cheap red light or does it have to be a specific kind of light?

[Gail Lynn]

Well, they say in the, the ancients used to say, you want to have silk, they would dye silks and that would be the thing, you would drape it over you to have that color infused in your energy field. Yeah. So for me, you know, I would love to use fiber optics. Fiber optics, I think, think that the technology will change. But right now I'm using like a non off gassing mercury LED light spectrum because I wanted to get the most of the light spectrum. I can get almost the full red to purple light spectrum with these lights.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, they're pretty powerful.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah. Yeah. So I'm sure an incandescent painted light bulb will still be showing your eyes the color. So your eyes are going to still see that color.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's not okay. So. Yeah, because I was always, that was the thing that always I was trying to really be confused because if you were in a, let's say a cheap sauna.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like a little cheapy sauna, and they had this little red light there. I'm like, what is this supposed to do? Yeah, I was like, there has to be like a special kind of bulb or a special kind of light to give you the special thing. So any red bulb, any yellow bulb, any green bulb or anything like that, it's just.

[Gail Lynn]

I believe so. And even if you're wearing red and in your, you know, you're absorbing that into your body because the sunlight, you don't have to have your eyes open to get the benefit from the sunlight. We all lay out in the sun and we get the healing energy of the sun when we got our eyes closed and we're just there. Yeah. So I don't think so.

[Alex Ferrari]

So is that why when you walk among, there's many reasons why you walk amongst nature or you're at the beach. The energy, the, the grounding, the ions from coming in from the waters and things, but just the color spectrums of those areas. Areas are so peaceful and relaxing and calming. You go to Zion national park, you know, or Yosemite or, you know, or Sequoia, and you just sit there and just like, you know, but there's the energy, of course, of the plants, of the nature, of all that stuff, but just on a color spectrum that also has a relaxing, calming effect on us, right?

[Gail Lynn]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, so that's how. So that's the spectrum of color. So we have, have sound, then we have light and then is there is.

[Gail Lynn]

Energy healing, there's vibration.

[Alex Ferrari]

Vibration, yeah. So how is that different than, than frequency?

[Gail Lynn]

Okay, so let me see. There's a sonic massage that you can get with listening to music. So you're not going to get that if you're just listening to speakers that don't have a bass or they don't have a subwoofer. But when you add the subwoofer in and you add the, the music, the intention of the music. Because there's intention too. Like Jonathan Goldman says, frequency plus intention equals healing. Right? Yeah. John, he's great. I haven't gotten his attention yet, but someday. So when you get that all going. But that's the subwoofer and the bass. I mean, think about how you feel at a concert when you're. That, that bass is hitting your chest. Oh my gosh. It's so amazing. I mean, it can be a little overwhelming because you can also have too much of that, that. But I think that's the vibration that helps people to heal. We have those exercise plates now, the vibrational plates. It shakes the body. Yeah. So that's vibration is different than frequency, is different than sound, different than light. But when you combine it all together, you have a lot of modalities in one.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you talked, you mentioned Tesla before. How does the sacred geometry of Tesla's math contribute to healing or energy healing?

[Gail Lynn]

So everything in nature is sacred geometry. And I think the pyramids are still standing today when the office building down the road from 10 years ago isn't standing correct because of sacred geometry. And I think nature respects sacred geometry. You go outside. I think Tesla talks about three sixes and nines. And I've observed nature quite a bit now because of the Tesla mathematics.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining Weight or just not like yourself. You're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Gail Lynn]

And three leaf clovers, to me are more natural than a four leaf clover. So is a four leaf clover like a mutation? Because you look at petals of flowers, you'll see 12, you'll see nine, you'll see six, you'll see all divisible by three. And so I find it fascinating to watch nature and how I see the threes, sixes and nines all the time. And so I just, I love sacred geometry. I think sacred geometry has a symbiotic relationship with nature. We've had, my technology has a lot of sacred geometry in it. We've had them in Maui, still standing. The Marshall fires in Colorado. I'd like the fires went around the centers. Fort Myers, hurricanes, flooding, so many different things. And it never. A tornado in Texas. And Garland just went around the center. Like, how is this, how do you explain that?

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting. That's, that's fascinating. Now you also mentioned intention. What do you. Can you talk a little bit about what intention means to the energy behind intention? Because intention just means like, you know, I, I'm intending to hurt you even though I'm a SEAL killer. And I have, I'm Ted Bundy and I come in, it's just help me with the couch in the back of my car kind of thing. So my intentions are obviously dubious, but outside I'm fine. So intention does, that's what people pick up on. Because you know, those kind of characters don't get all of their victims because they can pick up on the intention. Something is telling them that. How is that intention work in healing?

[Gail Lynn]

So how we use intention, which is so lovely, is when two or more are gathered. So you got a practitioner, you've got a client, and they're saying, you know what? I really want to attract a different job or a different partner in my life. So we help them set the intention and say, okay, feel what it would feel like. And all the cells of your being to wake up in the morning without your alarm clock, you can't wait to go to work. How is that going to feel? And you start attracting what you intend. We all know. You know, some people do this. Oh, my gosh, I know I'm going to get in a car accident that day. And they're like, you know what? I got in a car accident, or my mom has breast cancer. So I know I'm going to get breast cancer. Guess what? They get breast cancer. And so that's an intention that you don't want to set. You set an intention of. And this is how I set my whole life. I intend that everything's going to go well for me. Everything's going to work out, everything's going to flow, and no matter what happens, it's all for a reason. And that's how my life works. I was actually in a little car accident the other day. A guy was going down I25 in Denver. It was dark out, and he tagged me, but I just felt this little bump, and I was like, I think he just hit me. And I heard so screeching and squealing. And he pulled over on the shoulder, and I pulled over behind him on the shoulder. And I thought, it's dark out. I'm by myself. Is this guy. Did he tag me to, you know, carjack me or something? I'm gonna wait till he gets out of the car, see what he looks like, size him up, and then, you know, I'll get out of the car. Intention, right? Feel that intention. What is his intention? Right? So he gets out of the car. He looked so scared, and he said, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I don't think I hit you. I said, no, you tagged me. And he said, no, I don't think I did. He goes, but I should have. He said, we're going to the hockey game. I wasn't paying attention. I was looking at my phone. I was speeding. I was talking to my buddy. And he was so sweet in how he looked so scared. I gave him a hug.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Gail Lynn]

I'm like, I just hugged a guy for hitting me. What is wrong with me? And he was like, you're handling this so well. And, you know, because it could have Gone very wrong for him. Yeah, very wrong. And we looked at my bumper and had a little scuff on. I said, go, enjoy the game. He's like, are you sure? And I said, yeah, I'm sure. Just go. And he's like, thank you. And I thought, that's why I created the movie and we'll come back to the movie because I wanted people to do things with more kindness. There's no reason to scream and yell. He was so sorry. He was so. He felt horrible. What am I going to do? Scream and yell at him, you know, attack him? And I just want people to do things with more kindness, more love and have that intention. When you go out, everything's going to work out for you. Everything's going to flow.

[Alex Ferrari]

So people that use these therapies, what is the long term effects meaning? Like how long do they stay healed? How long do they feel better? Are you, are you stuck on you? Like, I have to keep going back a thousand times, you know, like a drug. Like, like I need to stay in this for the rest of my life. I mean, periodically, of course, you're gonna have to, you know, if you get a massage, it wears off.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Do a lot of these healings do that or can you actually heal something if other things are in play and not have to worry about that specific thing anymore?

[Gail Lynn]

I think the body in the right environment can heal itself. We know if our bone breaks, it's going to heal. We know if we scratch ourselves, it's going to scab over and heal. But I think people get caught up with what the medical community says. You're going to have this forever or it's a death sentence. And I don't think it is. But I don't want people to be dependent on energy healing. I want them to heal their own bodies. But this is a support, you know, these modalities, these healers are support for us to heal ourselves. We need to heal ourselves. We shouldn't be going to a doctor and saying, what do I take? What's wrong with me? We should be going, hey, this is what I think is going on. Can you help me with this? I've had clients that had a fire because I don't want people dependent on it. But there's a small part of the population that is so identified with their disease that it's exciting for them. And I had one lady, I think she believed if she healed her husband would leave her.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh.

[Gail Lynn]

So that belief, that belief overcame everything. She was never getting better. But she kept coming back and I said, I just can't help you anymore. You have to help yourself. And I went to a networking event one time, and this guy was running around. He had created a whole. Where you donate to a foundation, a whole foundation around his wife's illness. And he's like, now she's allergic to laundry soap. And he seemed excited about it. And so then when he came up to me and he said, what do you do? I said, I'm in transition. I wasn't going to waste my oxygen and my breath to tell him what I did because he was excited to have his wife so sick.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's an interesting idea because, I mean, much Johnson syndrome is a great idea, but, you know, much Huntson syndrome, where the parent will basically make the child sick.

[Gail Lynn]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So they can get attention.

[Gail Lynn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like this, like, you know, so they slowly, you know, poison them. I mean, literally. Literally. There was many famous cases about that, that so much Johnson syndrome is something like that, where the disease is just another form for the ego to. To get attention or belief. Like, if I. All the love I get is because of my disease, and if I heal myself, I'll lose everybody around me. These kind of stories, belief systems are very, very powerful in our world, isn't it?

[Gail Lynn]

Absolutely, yes. And I do have clients like that. And they. They almost. Their kid starts to walk and they push them down. Oh, no, you can't walk. You're sick. You're this, you're that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because it's a box.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah. So it's the same. I didn't hear of it as a disease kind of a thing, what you just said, but yeah, it's a thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's. It's something that, like, it's a. It's a story where, like, I. It was kind of like when you're in a bad relationship, you're like, well, I know this crazy, this new unknown crazy that could possibly come is scary. I know this one. And I'll. You know better. The devil you know that. The devil you don't. And that kind of goes along with healing as well, especially with people with chronic diseases or chronic ideas about what they are. Like, I had. I had issues with my. I thought I had issues with my ankles for years. I twisted my ankles, broke them, tore them apart, ripped out ligaments. Throughout my entire life, I had just ankle issues, and I just thought I had weak ankles. I went to the doctor, went to orthopedic surgeons. I go, are my ankles just weak? And he would test me and they were like, no, man, your Ankles are fine. And only within the last three or four years, I found out it was my hips. My hips were so out of alignment that I would always fall when I was in athletics, since I was a child. So then I did therapy, and I was able to do a squat, and now I'm fine, and I have no issues with my ankles. But it was the story I told myself because that was all proof I had. Who would have known my hips, right? You know, was it with a problem? You know, I had to get physical therapy to strengthen those areas and stretch it all out. And then once that happened, the body was in alignment.

[Gail Lynn]

Didn't you ever sing that song? The wrist bones connected to the elbow, the ankle bones connected to the hip bone.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's. But that's kind of. That's kind of a version of that. That was the story I was telling myself. So people do. And I think people listening, you know, there is. If they have some sort of chronic thing, not going to the extreme of cancer, but just anything, chronic headaches or this or that. Analyze the story you're telling yourself about those illnesses and see if there's anything behind what we're saying here. Because that could be one of the things that is really stopping you. Because like, perfect example, there was. I know these stories all the time where a doctor doesn't tell or that the patient doesn't know that they have cancer or that the cancer is that serious. And they've been filled with positivity, like, you're gonna break. You could. And they all. And they think there's hope. The moment that they. They have hope, it pushes them forward because that's the story they're telling them, and the body reacts accordingly. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a license clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month new customers get 50% off labs, and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. But the second a doctor's like, oh, you really only have three months to live the moment that happened, they die three months later. It's all in here. It's the placebo effect, Right? Can you talk a little bit about the placebo effect? And that idea of, like, whatever we actually believe, and we can't be delusional about things like, I don't have cancer. I don't have cancer. I mean, you don't want to go that. To that extreme. But there is some validity to what we're talking about, correct?

[Gail Lynn]

Oh, definitely. I. I wet my bed until I was 8 years old, and I'm sure there was some kind of a stress around that. And I was so embarrassed. Right. My mom took me to the doctor, and the doctor said, here's a little red pill once. If you take this, you won't pee your bed anymore. And guess what? I didn't. I think it was just a little sugar pill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in my head, I was like, oh, thank God. Because I'm so. Like, I don't know how to not right. I need those red pills. Right. So I think it's the same thing. I mean, you nailed it when you said, if somebody says you're only going to live for three more months, they're. Most of them are dead within the three months.

[Alex Ferrari]

If they believe it.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

If they believe.

[Gail Lynn]

Right. If they believe it.

[Alex Ferrari]

If they believe it.

[Gail Lynn]

Because our mind is so powerful, and.

[Alex Ferrari]

That goes along with, like, you're worthless. You know, all these stories that we tell ourselves. And I'm bringing these ideas in because the stories that we tell ourselves are the things that control our lives in all aspects of it, and healing being one of the major ones. If your belief system is that. I mean, I would wonder. I would be curious to think it's like, you know. You know, I want to say fast food is. Fast food is the cure to all of my woes. And they truly believed it. I'm curious if they ate, like, nothing but fast food.

[Gail Lynn]

And they were fine.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they were fine. Well, there are people who do that, by the way. There's a guy who ate a Big Mac for 40 years. He has the record. He's this thin.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

He has no problems physically. Like, his heart's fine. The diabetes. And it makes no sense why that works. Like how did that happen? Where. If you or I did that, we'd.

[Gail Lynn]

Be dead, you know, if we thought so, but maybe not.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, there's. There's. There was a documentary years ago. Centurions who were just doing whatever they wanted to at like a hundred, one hundred and ten. There was this guy in England. I never forgot this guy. He was like, 110. He jogged every day. He smoked, like, three packs a day. Had been for, like, 70 years. Drank pints every day at the bar, you know, at the pub. And he's like, don't live like me. You'll die. And I was just like, this is.

[Gail Lynn]

The best, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

But he goes, but don't do what I do. It works for me, but I doubt that it'll work for you. It's that fascinating idea of what the mentality behind that is.

[Gail Lynn]

Well, and he told himself a story that he can do this and it won't affect him. Like, we tell it, like you said, we tell ourselves stories every day. I was at the hair salon the other day, and they were talking about relationships. And he says, well, how many marriages do you have before you realize, you know, you're not the Marian type? And I'm like, two. And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I've been married twice. And, you know, I said, my second marriage. I said, I flew to Peru. He had been there for a week. I got there, and he said, oh, I fell in love with the assistant tour guide, so I want a divorce. When I got there, I'm like, yeah, he was there for a week. And he's like, you're lying. The guy at the hair salon, you're lying. I'm like, no, it's a true story. I said, my life is stranger than fiction. My stories are my stories, but they're not who I am. If I define myself by that, I would probably say I'm terrible. I, you know, I suck at relationships. I can say all these things to myself. But if you believe them, then you do suck at relationship. Right, Right. And I don't believe that. I believe that I was in a vibration where I was attracting something because I didn't love myself. And now I'm in this wonderful relationship where I've attracted this loving person that takes such good care of me, and I'm in gratitude, and I stay in that place of gratitude, and I keep attracting more good stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

But also, to a certain extent, too, that those other relationships. And I can speak for myself, not in your case, but just as General. All those negative things that happened to you were lessons I needed to learn at that moment in my life for me to be where I am today. I wouldn't be where I'm sitting here today without all of the pain, suffering, and experiences that I've gone through in my life. It hasn't all been peaches and cream, so. And only when you go through those difficult times and challenging times is when you grow the most because you're being tested on what you really want. Like, okay, let's see if this person learned a lesson. Let's send them another narcissist. Let's send her less than another narcissist or her another narcissist to see if he. He or she figured this out. Like, I don't want this anymore. Yeah, but we're gonna make them or her look exactly the way they would want. And they'll walk in, it'll start. Good. But then it'll start to do what. What happens when you date a narcissist? Yeah, let's see. Are they gonna go down this road again? Because this guy's gonna be worse than the last three. We're gonna make this one the. This is the hammer. This is that. So let's see if this person avoids the hammer, if they've learned the lesson.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You agree?

[Gail Lynn]

100%. Because I wouldn't be the person I am today. And that's what people say. Do you have any regrets? I said, no, because I would not be the person I am today if my dad wasn't an alcoholic and I wasn't molested by the priest of the parish when I was 14 and my two divorces, and I'm like, I wouldn't be who I am, and I couldn't teach what I teach. I couldn't tell people. Well, you were, what, 27 when you almost went through the bankruptcy?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, Yeah, I was 27, yeah. When I did the movie for the.

[Gail Lynn]

Mob and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I was 27. And I went through it because I was so stubborn. I said, nope, I'm going to do this corporate job. I'm going to work in corporate. And every door kept getting slammed and slammed until I lost my identity. I felt like I was stripped naked, and here I am. I have no idea identity. I'm this big loser now. And, you know, and the only thing that was available to me was to do the wellness center. And so, yes, I believe that when I was with my soul family in another universe, I took my last sip of tea and I Said, well, I'm going to Earth, guys. I'll see you in 100 years or so.

[Alex Ferrari]

And so what lesson should we learn this time? Oh, let's all sit down. Like, okay, oh, you need to do this one. Oh, this one's gonna be a doozy. Yeah, this is gonna be great.

[Gail Lynn]

And we're all excited and then we're.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, oh, this one's gonna be super painful. Oh, you're gonna love this one. It's hard for us down here as the characters being played out in this, this insane play simulation play that we're in, but on the other side. But it's kind of like looking at a movie or a TV show. When you've seen characters go through pain. The only way you attach yourselves more to a character is when you throw obstacles in front of them when you challenge them. Because if they're just, life is going, it's boring and they're not learning and they're not growing. With that said, you don't have to have all that all the time, but if you are learning these lessons, and that's why we're all here, is to learn these lessons. And the healing journey is that as well, you know, trying to. If you're being, if you have something inside of you that's off balance, it is your responsibility, if you want to, to educate yourself, learn about this stuff. You know, I have relatives who were chronic, had chronic issues and they went to multiple doctors and couldn't figure out what the heck. The doctors were just like, I don't know. And they started doing their own research, reading their own books and started to heal themselves by trigger pointing, which is so powerful or some other things like that that, you know is like, oh my God. This is like, oh, yeah, what's wrong here? Oh, hold on a second. And you hit the trigger.

[Gail Lynn]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you're. And you're better now. And it's all science. It's not even woo stuff. It's amazing.

[Gail Lynn]

No, I had a guy with drop foot and he was. It's where you drag your foot and you just can't pick it up. And you know, he thought, well, it's an Achilles tendon. It's this, it's that, it's the ankle. It's a weak ankle. It's something, something. Everything's connected. It was the right foot, head drop foot. His C1 was off. As soon as the chiropractor adjusted C1.

[Alex Ferrari]

He started walking because the connection with.

[Gail Lynn]

The nerve came down and connected right there. Wow. I mean, all the information's out there for us to heal ourselves, we have to go look for it, we have to study, we have to research. But who knows your body better than you?

[Alex Ferrari]

And I think that the big problem I think we have and I think it wasn't as much. I think our generation was one of the first to kind of break free from this and definitely the generation that's coming after us. But like our parents generation and great grand and grandparents generation, the white coat was all powerful, just like the priest was all powerful, just like the politician was all powerful, like the banker was all powerful like that. Whatever they, you know, if you had some sort of professional there you are, you, you know what? I, I don't know anything. You must, you know. So if the white coat said it, the white coat, that's what it was. Where now it's kind of be like at least a lot of the more holistic MDs are starting to like, no, you need to do this, you need to do that. They're, they're throwing responsibility on their patients a bit more because they can't do it all. And they are aware of it. At least the good ones are. They're aware of that. They cannot heal you if you don't work with them, if you don't heal yourself, don't smoke six packs a day, don't drink. Stop watching that documentary. That guy's not, that's not you. But you have to be able to do it yourself. And I think the biggest problem we have in at least Western societies is giving our power away. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. To not just the medical field, but to all aspects of our lives, whether it's financial, whether it's political, where it's health, where it's, you know, our entertainment. You're giving away your power. And I think what's happening, I think in the world the shift is happening is we're starting to empower ourselves, we're starting to educate ourselves. And it all started with the Internet. The connection of information, the direct connection to information worldwide has allowed us to kind of find out things that would have taken us forever to research and to really find good information about.

[Gail Lynn]

Would you with agree 100%. My parents were both medical era deaths in their 70s because they gave their power away. Yeah, My dad worked in an asbestos plant for 30 years.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, there's that.

[Gail Lynn]

And they said you have COPD because they wouldn't test him for mesothelioma. And so then he was on nine different drugs, antidepressants, painkillers, inhaler after inhaler for mesothelioma because they were treating him for COPD and he suffered a horrible end of his life for the last four years, you know, and my mom just similar situation. But we gave away, they gave away their power and we need to take our power back. And that's the thing, people are complaining, grocery store prices are so high, blah, blah, blah. Then grow your own food. Right. I think that we should be. I was going to write to the, one of the local news people and say what you should do is suggest that we get, we give free seeds away to people once we start growing our own food. They're not going to be able to charge those high grocery store prices because we're not going to buy them. We're going to grow our own food.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's just getting your power back in all aspects of our lives, you know, and hopefully these kind of conversations empower people to start at least, you know, even investigate what we're talking about. Please don't take anything that we say at face value. You should do your own research, you should do your own testing, see it for yourself. I'm a very grounded, I know it's weird, but I'm a very grounded guy.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I try to look at things very even keel and yeah, I do understand the things of the spiritual nature and stuff, but even the stuff I talk about in the spiritual nature, there's so much proof, so much knowledge or so much history behind certain things like the chakra system. People like, oh, you're talking about shock. It's been around for 7,000 plus years in the, in the Indian, in the Indian and the east, ideas and versions of it throughout multiple cultures. You can't tell me that there's nothing, nothing valid there or Chinese medicine or Ayurvedic medicine. You can't dismiss thousands of years. That's something that worked. Now is it as cool as like heart transplant? No. But again, what we have today is very wonderful for heroics. But long term, let's look at the old things, see what was working well.

[Gail Lynn]

And people don't understand that everything is connected when we keep talking about that. But even the teeth are connected to the meridian lines from Chinese medicine. So people would have say a root canal, root canal on their. One of my clients had a root canal on her stomach and ovarian meridian lines. And within a few weeks she had stomach and ovarian cancer. This is when she came to me and she said, Gail, you have to educate people and tell them that they. There, this is, it's connected, it's a connection. And I was like, what? Like just crazy stuff. And so it's all out there. There's, there's teeth, meridian charts. You can look up if you have a sore tooth or you know, you can look at what vertebrae are connected to that tooth, what organs, what systems of the body. It's all there.

[Alex Ferrari]

We actually have a documentary on, on Next Level Soul tv talking specifically about root, it's called Root. Cause it's a whole documentary about that thing. How they've now, it's just now they're studying it. They're like, no things that have to do with root canals and things like that are being studied now. They're like, wait a minute, is there a connection here? And again, investigate it yourself. You know, there's a lot of literature and research out there about it, but.

[Gail Lynn]

Without the Internet, like you said, without the Internet, we would have taken a lot longer to find these solutions. But now there's really no excuse to not research what's going on and what messages your body is sending you. I mean, it's brilliant.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now tell me about its time. I love the name of it, by the way, the movie It's Time. What caused you to kind of. Because that's a whole thing putting together a movie. You know, it wasn't cheap to put something like this together. So what caused you to put this out there? And you really just kind of, you know, you, it's on our platform, but you know, you, it's not something that you're trying to make a billion dollars with or anything like that. What was the cause of it?

[Gail Lynn]

Well, I just started to see people were really angry and people were not treating each other very well. And I, you know, I know a lot of people are on antidepressants and I know it blocks the functioning of the nervous system. It numbs people down. And so I'm seeing a lot of that. And I thought, I'm just going to put out a movie. I'm going to talk about sound and light therapy. I'm going to talk about listening to your body, but I'm also going to talk about being more kind. And I knew that this, our USA election was coming up and so I said, I need this out before the election, so I need to put out a documentary. And I decided to start it like January. And so that gave me like nine months. It's kind of quick to do, to turn around. It's quick, yeah. So I put everything else on hold. I said, I'm going to do this. And I knew that I didn't want some of the, you know, people that you've interviewed. I didn't want the Greg Bradens and the Joe Dispenzas because, you know, they've said what they have to say. Let me get some, you know, no name people that I respect, that I've been studying and, you know, they've been my mentors. Let me bring them on to tell their story. And so we open it up with judgment is the only thing that separates us. And then we close the movie talking about doing something else. As a Muhammad ali quote, if 10% of the people would do more with love and kindness, we could change the world. So I wanted to create that space for people to see that we're all connected, that we're all one and that we should treat each other better. And none of us is getting out alive. I don't care how much money you have, nobody's getting out alive. Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Everyone wants to go to heaven, just not right now. So it's such a beautiful film and, and we also have an extended interviews series as well of all the, of all your amazing speakers on there. Now I want to also talk about your harmonic egg. Weird as hell. Let's just throw it out there at the beginning. I mean, it sounds weird and you want me to walk into an egg? What is happening here? Talk to me a little bit about what this thing you developed is.

[Gail Lynn]

It was a channeled download, however you want to call it. I was working with the Lightbox But I was finding that the clients were saying, well, the music sounds distorted coming up through a foam pad and the light bulbs a little cheesy. It's just painted. Right. And. And I thought, well, life comes from an egg. Let's just build a large wooden egg. Okay? So I called some manufacturers, and the one manufacturer said, it's impossible. And I'm a scorpio. I'm a stellium in scorpio. So I'm pretty stubborn. And if you tell me no, or you tell me I can't do something, then just get out of my way because I got to go do it now. And I said, well, Walt Disney said, if you could dream it, you could do it. And he said, well, you're not Walt Disney.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Gail Lynn]

I said, well, get out of my way. And, yeah, I didn't want. We talked about crystals in the beginning a little bit. You know, crystals are great, but they hold information and energy. Wood does not. And so I created it made out of wood. And it's walnut on the. In the inside right now. And it's the spiritual properties and the way walnuts harvested and the grain, how it's so tight. It doesn't, you know, it won't hold any kind of fungus or, you know, viruses or anything.

[Alex Ferrari]

And on a side note, by the way, the, the. The walnut itself, if you crack it open, it is a complete representation of the brain.

[Gail Lynn]

Yes, yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it actually, if you eat it, it's actually good for you, for your brain.

[Gail Lynn]

I know. Crazy, right? Isn't nature awesome? Because that's what I find in nature. I just, I love those kind of stories, you know, and just I. I cut open. What was it? It was a. One of my red peppers from my garden. And it was just so beautiful. And it just had three. And like I said about the threes, and it had three little veins. And I'm like, this is just so beautiful. And then the lady that talked about her dogs balls being beautiful, right. On that show. And you're like, I don't think anybody's talked about their dog's balls on the show. But she was like, it was beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

Recently we had someone talking about beautiful dog balls.

[Gail Lynn]

I think it was Marie. Yeah, it was just. Yeah. So, yeah, your show is great.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I appreciate it.

[Gail Lynn]

And so what were we talking about? Oh, the harmonic egg.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes. This giant egg made out of wood.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah. Right. So I thought if people could go in. And I did. I used Edgar Cayce's consciousness, Royal Rife's consciousness with frequencies, the Oregon box with Wilhelm Reich, you know, that consciousness Tesla. And I said, you know, let's. Let's use frequency, vibration, sound waves and light waves, and let's put it in one modality and let's put people in there by themselves. Claustrophobia is no problem. There's a doorbell in there. They can push the door open, but get them in there to heal themselves, and I'm finding that it is. It's really saved my life. It's been such a beautiful thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of Joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a license clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel. Energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements, and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs, and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Gail Lynn]

It's not from me. It came through me. And so it's just a beautiful galactic technology that people can heal individually and they're raising their vibration to connect to their higher self. And I'm seeing them take their power back. I'm seeing more kindness. I'm seeing more love. And the business model that I created, the brand attributes are love, integrity, reliability, and community. And that's how I expect all the egg guardians to conduct their business with their clients. It's not a franchise. It's very. Franchises are very patriarchal. It's a business model of the matriarchal divine feminine and the cooperation, not competition. And I think that's how we can change the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, yes, your business model is not this normal, like, kind of franchise thing. It's like, kind of like, you know, everyone should benefit from this.

[Gail Lynn]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

As opposed to, you know, having to pay a franchise fee and all that kind of stuff.

[Gail Lynn]

The. The pyramid with the rich person at the top just doesn't work. And your Shows have been talking about the flattening and a lot of your channelers are saying things are flattening, the systems are crashing, things are changing. So I hope this business model catches on where people can share and create abundance for more than just themselves. And so that's what I want, you know, I want this show to come out, I want all the center owners to be packed out and you know, it's creating abundance for them too.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then how many centers do you have around the country?

[Gail Lynn]

Over 150. In 12 countries.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, 12 countries.

[Gail Lynn]

Really? Yeah. And I didn't really market this. I, I've never, I mean, yeah, it's.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not a mass marketed thing.

[Gail Lynn]

No, no, the egg finds you and that's what. Yeah, stop.

[Alex Ferrari]

Don't use, don't use that as a marketing tool. It's not going to work. You're not going to get the construction worker to come out to. The other egg will find you. It's just very more convenient.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah, right. Everybody teases me about that because I'm near Boulder, right. And they're like, is this like morgue from Orc's Egg? And I'm like, sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. So the egg will find you. But it's a non invasive thing. It's something that anyone could try. And the proof is in the pudding, right? The proof is in the pudding on anything that you study and anything you look into and any of these kind of modalities. You know, some people work with Ayurvedic, some people work with Chinese herbs and other people work with sound healing or sound baths or, or, you know, a different. There's so many, so many ways to heal yourself not only emotionally, not only physically, but emotionally, mentally, even spiritually. How to heal traumas, how to heal things within yourself. But I hope that anyone listening could understand that the power is truly within you. It's just your choice whether or not you want to take the steps, the appropriate steps to learn enough to try or attempt to learn about how to heal yourself in all modalities in your life, all these different things.

[Gail Lynn]

Because not everybody's gonna want this. There's. There's red light therapy, there's Nova Thor beds, there's juv. Like there's a new immortal chamber. I mean, all this stuff is coming out now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Therapy.

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah, yeah. And I think it's so beautiful because we're not all the same galactic beings. We're all different and we're not going to all heal with the same frequencies or modalities. So I just tell people to be Discerning. Tune into your intuition if you're. If your stomach gets really sick when you see something that's probably not for you.

[Alex Ferrari]

There was one thing that I forgot where I heard it must one is my. One of my guests. It might be an episode that hasn't aired yet, but. Oh, actually, no. It was in our. In our wisdom from Beyond Summit that we had with all of our channelers. There was a question asked about healing, and the speaker said, allow for synchronicities to happen. Don't judge what is in front of you. Feel it. Have intuition about it. Think about it. Put intention out into the world. From what I've learned on this show is that when you ask for help out loud, it does come. Maybe not at your timeline and that especially not the way you think it's gonna come, but if you can truly open yourself up to these ideas and open up yourself to whatever comes into your life, understand that it is for your better. It might not look like it at the moment. That narcissist coming in is at the end of the day for your better. If you deal with it in the appropriate way to learn those lessons, but in the sense of healing. Open yourself up to the intention. Ask for help and the egg will find you. No, I'm joking. But whatever thing that will help you heal, open yourself up to finding it. And it might just be a podcast episode. It might just be watching something on a platform. It might just be a book that you find at a library or at a bookstore, if they're still even around these kind of things, because you have to open yourself up to it. I mean, and I've said this a thousand times on the show, this makes no sense to me that I'm here doing this in this world, talking to you about this kind of stuff. If I would have been told this five years ago, I said, this is insane. But I've opened myself up to the synchronicities of the universe kind of guiding me through my life. And when I let go of those reins a bit, still have responsibility for yourself. When I let go of those reins, life just seemed to flow a lot better. So I think. Think. Would you agree with. In regards to the intention of trying to heal yourself? Put it out there like some I'm in pain. I need help. Give me the right book, get me the right show, get me the right information, connect me to the right person who will teach me or help me get healed. Does that make sense?

[Gail Lynn]

100%. No. I mean, you just got to let things flow. I Had a mentor of mine. I was real antsy at a seminar one time, and I was like, oh, I don't want to listen to another speaker. And I get real, you know, my start, you know, just jittery. I'm like, I gotta get up. I gotta move. And he noticed this. So he passes me a piece of paper. I open it up and it says, L, I, F, E. Let it flow effortlessly. And I had a bracelet made that stamped, let it flow effortlessly. And that's what you just open yourself up, you ask. And it might be not in your timing, but it never is. But that's why you were not in charge of. What do people say? We're not in charge of the how. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so we just ask, and then we let it unfold. I used to have one of those successories things on my desk because I manage like 120 people in project management. Some people watch things happen, some people make things happen. Some people wonder what happened. And I threw that thing away because I made my first marriage happen. I made my second marriage happen. And now I should have said, well, I wonder what happened, right? Because it. It. It should have never been. If I was letting things flow and I was paying attention to all the roadblocks and house, how much struggle I was having to get into these relationships, and I just let it flow. It. But that was my lesson.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that was. And now you can talk about it because you went through it. You can't talk about it until you go through it. Really?

[Gail Lynn]

Yeah. Yeah, really?

[Alex Ferrari]

Really. Now, again, I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Gail Lynn]

Living a fulfilled life is not having a schedule, not having to worry about anything, and just letting things flow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautiful question. Let it.

[Gail Lynn]

Letting. Letting it flow.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and talk to little Gail, what advice would you give her?

[Gail Lynn]

Be brave, Be strong. Listen to your intuition, and say yes to life.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define God or source?

[Gail Lynn]

And I knew you were going to ask me these questions, and now I'm like, oh, my God, I'm on the spot now. I think you know, I am God. You are God. Everything is God. So I'm going to answer it that way.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is love?

[Gail Lynn]

Love is the highest vibration. And I believe, like we talked about earlier, disease doesn't live in love. Love is just the highest vibration.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that why chicken soup works so well? Because of the love and intention of the grandmother or mother making it?

[Gail Lynn]

It could be. Did you ever eat something and you felt angry after you ate it?

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely. Most fast food, because the people prepare, right.

[Gail Lynn]

We're all angry. Right. And so I feel that. That, you know, my boyfriend makes me five days a week, and then he makes me leftovers. But there's so much love. He's like a little Mexican grandmother. He's hilarious. And there's so much love in that. It's just nourishing. It just feeds my soul.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's a. There's a restaurant here in Austin. Oh, God, I forgot the name of it.

[Gail Lynn]

It.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's. It's kind of like this. It's not communal, but it's basically, you have one. They just. Whatever they have for lunch is what you're eating.

[Gail Lynn]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Whatever you have for dinner is what you're eating. And that's it. And it's all organic and clean and organized. You walk into this area. Is it Shanoose? I think it might be Shanoos. And you walk into this area, and you feel the energy of the space already. And. And there's, like, you know, the metaphysical store there, and there's, like, a juice bar there, and it's like this whole, like, little community. But in the back, it's this restaurant. And the food, you could just feel the energy of the food. You can taste it. It's like, you know, and when you go to a. Let's say a fine dining restaurant, the effort, the energy, the attention and the intention of the food. The chef focused so much on making sure that. That. That was there. People feel that taste it. It's so powerful.

[Gail Lynn]

I agree. 100.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Gail Lynn]

I guess the ultimate purpose of life for me is to experience everything. When I. I played softball for 30 years, and so I feel like, end of my life, I'm sliding into home base. I am safe. I've done everything I could possibly do in this lifetime. And like I said, you know, when I. I told my friends up there in the Galactic, take another, you know, drink of coffee, and we'll see you in a hundred years. I'm going to Earth when I'm done. That's, you know, I want to experience everything, all the emotions, everything, and then just slide into home base. Safe. You're done.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts, and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this. The fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's horses, hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel, energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Beautiful. Now where can people find out more about you and your centers and everything you're doing?

[Gail Lynn]

Harmonicegg.com and that's where everything is. All the locations. Just search for a location and you'll find it. Hopefully one near you. And then it's time. Love is the film. And that's why what I would like to get, my goal is to get a million people to watch it. I'm not charging anything. You know, it'll be on your platform, It'll be everywhere. YouTube Rumble. It's time. Love. I just would like to see a million people watch it and do one more thing with love and kindness.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, they'll definitely be able to watch it on Next Level Soul tv. And and I hope that this episode helps drive some more people to watch it wherever they decide to watch it because it's a message that need to get out there. So and do you have any party messages for the audience?

[Gail Lynn]

I would say because we talked about story. I'm going to say don't be your story change. Rise above your story. Know that you're not your story. You're a wonderful, awesome being and learn to love yourself.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said. Gail. Gail, it's been such a pleasure meeting you and having this conversation and thank you for putting everything out in the world that you're doing, especially this movie and the way work that you do. So I appreciate you helping awaken this planet.

[Gail Lynn]

Thank you. You too.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode@next levelsoul.com 532 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

[Joy Co-founder Katie Whelan]

If you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this the fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal, and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight, everything. Then we personalize real solutions. Hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code podcastoyandblokes.com if you're feeling exhausted, puffy, anxious, foggy, gaining weight, or just not like yourself, you're not imagining it. Women in their 30s, 40s and 50s are experiencing massive hormonal shifts and no one is explaining what's actually happening. I'm Katie Whelan, co founder of joy. I built Joy because I lived this the fatigue, the mood swings, the weight changes, the confusion. Your symptoms are biological, not personal and AI generated lab reports won't fix them. Every Joy Lab includes a visit with a licensed clinician who specializes in women's hormones and connects every biomarker to how you feel energy metabolism, mood, sleep, skin weight. Everything. Then we personalize real solutions hormone therapy, peptide therapy, supplements and lifestyle protocols. Get [e-mail] today. This month, new customers get 50% off labs and you can add our estrogen face cream for just $1 with clinician approval. Use promo code [e-mail].