BONUS MONDAYS: HUMANITY'S RESET: Top PSYCHIC Reveals the SIGNS You’re Meant to PAY ATTENTION To with Jen Bushman

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: BONUS MONDAYS: HUMANITY'S RESET: Top PSYCHIC Reveals the SIGNS You’re Meant to PAY ATTENTION To with Jen Bushman
Release Date: December 29, 2025
Guest: Jen Bushman

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Episode Overview

In this inspiring and intimate conversation, host Alex Ferrari welcomes psychic and spiritual teacher Jen Bushman to share her powerful life story and deep spiritual insights. The episode focuses on humanity’s current evolutionary “reset,” the importance of soul contracts, and the spiritual signs and guidance available as we navigate turbulent times. Jen details her personal awakening, the challenges and gifts of psychic ability, and what collective shifts she sees unfolding for humanity. Listeners are guided to recognize their own inner power, understand the purpose of struggle, and embrace their unique spiritual path.

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Key Topics and Insights

Jen Bushman’s Awakening and Early Psychic Experiences

• First Psychic Encounter & Childhood Experiences

  • At age 5, Jen saw “two juvenile Sasquatches” on a backpacking trip in Washington, communicating telepathically with them and later their mother. (03:33)
  • She recalls communicating telepathically with her friend Jeff throughout school.
  • Early childhood marked by feelings of being “different” and being tested at school for psychic abilities—a process she later learned was connected to secret government programs.
  • Quote:

    “My dad's reaction when we were in the forest was kind of like, quiet… It was like he knew that I knew that he knew.” (09:20 - Jen Bushman)

• Coping with Alienation and Family Dynamics

  • Jen describes being called “the freakazoid” in her family, feeling isolated and misunderstood (08:59).
  • Her grandmother had healing gifts, but the family made fun of her, reinforcing secrecy and shame around psychic ability.

The Psychological Toll and Turning Points

• Adolescent Struggles and Near Death Experience

  • Jen struggled with depression through adolescence, culminating in a suicide attempt at 19, where she met her spirit guide, "Pink." (17:03, 17:21)
  • In her NDE, she was greeted by loved ones in spirit, and a tall man in a checkered shirt told her:

    "It's not always going to be this way. You have a purpose here on this planet." (19:13 - Jen Bushman)

• Continued Signs and Spirit Guide Appearances

  • She repeatedly saw her guide manifest in symbolic forms (like a pink car and recurring visions), keeping her on her path.

• Therapy, “Walk-Ins,” and Alien Guidance

  • At 22, Jen’s therapist revealed she was a “walk-in” and an alien, exposing Jen to the concept of ET guides and interdimensional help (22:33).
  • Jen had experiences with seeing her therapist’s departure in the form of a craft and missing time, adding to her crisis of reality (25:29).

Embracing the Gift After Decades

• Acceptance at Age 52

  • After years of struggle, a psychiatric nurse practitioner recognized Jen as psychic, shifting her therapy into coaching:

    “Have you ever thought maybe you’re psychic? ... I know you are because I am.” (28:43 - Jen Bushman)

  • This validation was liberating:

    “It was so liberating and like, ah, finally.” (29:46 - Jen Bushman)

• Understanding Soul Contracts and Suffering

  • The pain and confusion, Jen reflects, was necessary for her soul’s growth and for her to be able to help others (30:39):

    “We aren’t ready for information until we’re ready. So, it’s a soul contract… I needed all of that experience… in order to do the job that I do today.” (31:38 - Jen Bushman)

The Mechanics of Soul Contracts, Free Will & Guidance

• How Soul Contracts Work

  • Alex and Jen discuss how before incarnating, souls choose major experiences and lessons (checkpoints), but the path is free will (36:13–39:19):

    “You will come back and redo your lifetime with the same contract… But understand there’s always going to be a big nugget, like mine is ‘I’m not enough’... You rise, you grow, you ascend, and become part of all that is.” (53:22, 57:52 - Jen Bushman)

• Spirit Guides and Asking for Help

  • Guidance from other dimensions is available, but only if we ask (“your spirit guides are not your parents… they will nudge, but you must ask,” 49:46).

Coming Out as a Psychic

• From the Closet to Community

  • Jen began sharing her abilities with the public via YouTube tarot readings, gradually gaining confidence and community:

    “I saw tarot as a way to kind of hide… But then I got more and more confidence… with the encouragement of the community.” (41:40)

• Expanded Practice

  • Jen now performs readings, soul contract work, medical intuition, and teaches meditation, using channeled guidance from various dimensions, ETs, and even Sasquatch entities (44:19).

The Nature of Dimensions, Ascension, and the Current Shift

• Working Across Dimensions

  • From childhood, Jen perceived shifts in time, color, frequency, later understanding these as “dimensional work.” She now channels from and navigates various dimensions for herself and clients (45:13, 47:52).

• The Ascension Process and Collective Reset

  • Humanity is now at a pivotal collective “choice point”; division and darkness are signs of the light growing.

    “You need the darkness in order to see the light. So understand that our light is pretty darn big if we’re seeing the darkness refracted back to us.” (53:22 - Jen Bushman)

  • She emphasizes the arc of rising, growing, and ultimately returning to the “sun” — a metaphor for divine source (53:22).

• Why Darkness Resurfaces

  • The current turbulence, war, and polarization are part of the third-dimensional experience necessary for soul growth (63:40).

    “We will always be swinging between the poles… but you’re holding the same rope. That’s how we grow.” (64:12 - Jen Bushman)

• What’s Ahead Spiritually and Geopolitically

  • Jen predicts turbulence but a positive shift by mid-April, with humanity ultimately choosing the “light” after necessary struggle (66:17–69:19).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Isolation & Family:

  “Yeah. Jen’s a black sheep. That’s what I was. I was the freakazoid.” (08:59 - Jen Bushman)

• On Receiving Guidance:

  “Spirit guides will not interfere unless you ask. They’ll nudge you, but you have to request their help.” (49:46 - Alex Ferrari / Jen Bushman)

• On the Purpose of Pain:

  “All those years, all that pain, it was necessary. I needed every bit of it to do what I’m doing now.” (31:38 - Jen Bushman)

• On Collective Growth:

  “People are going to choose the light. We are at a pivotal point in humanity. We will choose the good, but we need the struggle to get there.” (68:38 - Jen Bushman)

• On Spiritual Sovereignty:

  “You can choose what you want to experience. You can choose who you are and how you want to experience this life.” (71:48 - Jen Bushman)

• Encouragement for Listeners:

  “You are beautiful, you are loved, and it is possible.” (77:22 - Jen Bushman)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:33 — Jen’s first psychic encounter with Sasquatch
• 07:04 — Being tested for psychic ability as a child
• 17:03–19:13 — Suicide attempt, NDE & meeting spirit guide “Pink”
• 22:33 — Experiences with "walk-in" therapist and ET guides
• 28:43–29:46 — Discovery and acceptance at age 52
• 36:13–39:19 — Soul contracts, free will, and spiritual agreements
• 41:40 — Coming out as a psychic, finding community
• 45:13, 47:52 — Crossing into other dimensions and what they teach
• 53:22 — Humanity’s evolutionary reset and rise in consciousness
• 63:40–64:12 — Why darkness resurges; collective lessons
• 66:17–69:19 — Predictions for upcoming years, choosing the light
• 71:48 — The central message: "It is possible"
• 77:22 — Parting message from Jen: self-love and hope

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Closing Thoughts

This conversation offers a rich tapestry of personal vulnerability, mystical experience, and practical spiritual wisdom. Jen Bushman’s eclectic spiritual path and candid storytelling make the vast “reset” now underway for humanity relatable and actionable. Both skeptics and seekers will find guidance on navigating their own dark nights and learning to recognize the signs from spirit guides, soul contracts, and the lessons embedded in adversity. The episode is a testament to the possibility of liberation, healing, and embracing the fullness of one’s spiritual calling—no matter how long it takes.

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Find Jen Bushman:
Website: jenbushman.com
YouTube: [Jen Bushman]

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“You are not alone. There are many souls out there just like you. And there is belongingness, there is inclusion, and it’s in spirit.”
— Jen Bushman (74:01)

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Transcript

[Jen Bushman]

Hola.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's honey German.

[Alex Ferrari]

And in Nuestra Comunida, especially us mujeres, we handle everything. But even the strongest need un poquito de ajuda.

[Jen Bushman]

That's why I vibe with State Farm. They're the kind of gente that shows up, listens. Gracias, State Farm.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Por qu?

[Alex Ferrari]

Teneral gen Entre vale un mundo comon buen vecino. State Farm esta Ay.

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[Alex Ferrari]

To welcome to the show, Jen Bushman. How are you doing, Jen?

[Jen Bushman]

I'm Good. Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It is a treat to have you on the show. I want to really dive into your interesting journey, let's say, that you've had in your life journey as a psychic in developing and understanding those abilities. And my first question is, when did you first discover that you weren't like everybody else? That there was something a little bit. I wouldn't say off, but special about you?

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah. I'm from Washington state, and I was on my first backpacking trip with my parents, and I was 5 years old up on the Olympic Peninsula, and I saw a sasquatch when we were backpacking, and I saw two juveniles in the trees. And I thought they were monkeys, you know, they were younger Sasquatch. So I turned around, said to my dad, you didn't tell me there were monkeys up here in the trees, you know, that we had them in our forest. And he said, there are no monkeys here. You know, stop it. But I wouldn't stop because I kept seeing them. They were playing kind of like jumping from tree to tree as we were hiking along the plank out to the beach. And so I kept, you know, kind of pestering him, like, you know, I'm seeing this. Aren't you seeing this? And so I got. Then, you know, we moved on. And then I was separated from the group and behind, and I was tying my shoes, looked up, and there was the mother with the two juveniles. And I knew that something was different, you know, because she was covered in hair and she looked like my mom, you know, and so. But she telepathically told me to catch up, you know, go join your family, catch up. Because I was all excited. I wanted to play, you know, and so I kept asking my dad about it, and he kind of got angry. And so I shut down then that kindergarten. So I went to school that fall, started kindergarten, and I was taken with other kids up to the resource room, and we were tested. And it was by a group of people, mostly men. And they didn't look like the other teachers, you know, because that end of the school, you know, first grade and kindergarten teachers look like grandmas, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Very much so. Very much so.

[Jen Bushman]

And so I didn't trust this man who sat me down and was asking me questions like, have you ever experienced anything that you couldn't explain? Anything that was odd, anything that was weird?

[Alex Ferrari]

This is at school?

[Jen Bushman]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

How old were you?

[Jen Bushman]

I was five.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're five? And they. Out of the blue, they just.

[Jen Bushman]

They Tested six of us. And so my friend Jeff, who I communicated with telepathically all through school, where we grew up, we knew each other. And so he was there and he was like, don't answer them. And I didn't trust this man. I didn't like his energy. I didn't like, you know, I, I didn't trust him. I knew that there was, this was about ulterior motives, but you know, in your little five year old head, it was just like, I don't like you. You know, you, you just don't seem like all the others. Right. So later what I learned was that some kids were like put into a program and developed as psychics to work for the government. All right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, that we've had, that, we've had people on the show who've talked about that program, about either remote viewing, those kind of things. That was a real government program and it was real psychic. It's like expies, essentially.

[Jen Bushman]

Yes. Yeah. So I, I was not, I mean, I just shut down. I believe he was psychic because I felt like he was reading me. I mean, I felt like Alex, that he almost knew what I had experienced that summer.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. But couldn't pin, but couldn't pinpoint it or at least couldn't break through whatever you were, you were blocking them. Essentially. You're like, I don't want to play this game. And you, that's, that's fascinating. I've never actually met someone who's, who's been recruited into that program. And you said no because you were five. So there's that. Yeah, it's almost very, it's almost very Stranger Things 80s style movie kind of scenario. Yeah, exactly. So, so, so at that point, I mean, you start, you start noticing that you're not like the other kids. No, things are. And, and there comes a realization, I assume at some point you're like, oh, everybody can't do this.

[Jen Bushman]

Right. You know, because I, I felt trees, you know, I, I feel the frequency of. Ro would know what people were thinking and I would know, you know, animals, what was wrong with them.

[Alex Ferrari]

But Jen, let me ask you, but let me ask you this then. As a five year old or even as an adolescent, how did you deal with this psychologically? Did you, I mean, did you have someone in the family who's guiding you through this whole. You're like, oh, Jen, you've got the fit, you've got the gift. There's that those things or there's the other family, which is like, what's wrong with Jen?

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah. Jen's a black sheep. That's what I was. I was the freakazoid.

[Alex Ferrari]

So if you're the freakazoid in the family, how did you. Sorry, that's a very technical term, freakazoid, by the way. Yeah. How did you deal psychologically at such a young age? Because you don't have any tools at that age or experience to deal with this. So how did you deal with it?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, because. And that's what happens. So going down a rabbit hole. I do work with kids now who are psychic, and I counsel them in the way that I wish that I was. You know, to learn how to. Mostly managing your reaction to your gift. Because when you are open and you're inundated with feeling people's feelings, knowing what people are thinking, knowing what the weather is going to be. Right. Seeing things in the future of what's going to happen. Exactly. I fel. Felt very separate. But then my father's reaction. And I'm not blaming my dad or anything like that. That's not what this is. It's just. This is what happens. My dad's reaction when we were in the forest was kind of like, quiet. It was like he knew that I knew that he knew. He knew something was up because I was always this kind of kid into everything and why, why, why? And I'd be off in my own little world, but I would know what he was up, knew that there was something. So that is what I'm saying is that was a moment where it shut me down. And like, it started to. If you envision a flower, as my friend Michelle says, you know, you see yourself wide open. And it just started to really close me down. And then it did. It got really, really bad in my teens because the flower opened back up around 11. And that's what happens. Like, my grandmother called on the phone. I told my dad, and she said, have your dad talk to me. And grandma had died years ago. But she, you know, so I told my dad, I said, grandma really wants you. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, Jen, I'm assuming that didn't go over well.

[Jen Bushman]

No, no. Because then, you know, then he's like, you're, you know, messing with me. And I'm like, no, I'm not.

[Alex Ferrari]

But so, so, so. Good Lord.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And this is, you know, this is a, I'm assuming in the, you know, later part of the 20th century. So it's not as open psychics and mediums and channels and spirituality and metaphysics is not a real kind of known thing. Near death experiences were just kind of getting off the ground. It's not where we are today, where a lot of the concepts that we're talking about are more accepted or at least understood. Whether you accept or not, it is. It's not like witchcraft. We're not going to be burned at the stake tomorrow by having these conversations. So I imagine back then this was absolutely taboo. Were you raised religious? Was it. Were you in a religious household?

[Jen Bushman]

No. No. We didn't go to church or.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so it's just like. But it's still a taboo kind of thing. Back then especially.

[Jen Bushman]

It was really interesting though, because my great grandma was really metaphysical. Like she would heal people. She was a nurse. She owned a lot of land in Tacoma, Washington. And so there's a funny story about the land, how they carved i5 through it and she went to the door with a gun and demanded that they pay her for.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fair enough.

[Jen Bushman]

They were trying to kick her off her land. But she was a nurse, but she was a healer and she had gifts. But my family always made fun of her memory. So I know, I knew, you know how you get these messages that it's not okay to. And then I did try to talk to my mom about it, because my mom was very attracted. You know, remember Nostradamus was kind of hip and in his predictions as quatrains. And my mom was hanging out with her really good friend who's very spiritual, and her sisters, and they had gifts and they would go to eastern Washington and meet the psychic and. But my mom told me that my brother was the psychic in the family. And I was kind of like, oh. And, you know, so it made me think I just kind of evolved into, you know, I'm crazy. So this is something wrong with me.

[Alex Ferrari]

So this is something very interesting. So. Because I, I, from my understanding that these gifts are passed down heretically and genetically, sometimes even this is what I hear that it's not always, but sometimes grandma or aunt or uncle or someone had the gift and it's kind of passed down generation. Sometimes it skips a generation, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes like possibly your pet, your, your mom would just. Nope, even if I had it, I'm not going to do anything about it, kind of. And they shut it down and it keeps coming through. So it was in your line, if you will, in your bloodline, quote, unquote, there was some sort of gift. But no one talked about it because back then and Graham, last time, you definitely never talked about something.

[Jen Bushman]

Right? Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You would just been ousted. So that's really fascinating. So. So as you're growing up, you think you're crazy. You think you're, you think you're going nuts with this, by the way, very common. I've spoken to many psychics and channels and other people who I go, so you thought you were nuts. Right. So how did you overcome the ability, this, this idea that you're nuts because you have no guidance, you have no the information. This show wasn't in existence back then. So you couldn't watch a show and go, oh, I'm not crazy. I might have what these people are talking about. The books weren't as available. There was no Internet. How did you overcome this thought that you were. You were nuts?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, when I was 19, I had a suicide attempt. And, you know, I was really, really struggling from about 15 on. It just got worse and worse.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, teenage years are tough. You take years are tough in general, let alone.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah, right. And then with, you know, just not being able to talk about what was going on with me, all the other stuff with my family dynamics. Yeah, I tried to kill myself and I met my spirit guide, Pink during that attempt. And I didn't realize that was my spirit guide that. But I met him in physical form and he told me because my grandma Leela had passed, my friend Chris Bagan had passed. He died of a brain tumor when he was six. And so, you know, they were there at the tunnel and my grandmother sent me back and I was pulled back into the room and there was this man standing by the bed, very tall, wearing a checkered red and black shirt. Because I grew up in Seattle, my brother was in the grunge scene. So I really identified with grunge. I was into that. That was fleece, yes, fleece, yes. So your spirit guides will present themselves to you in a way that they think you see them as relevant. Right. So he told me it was not always going to be this way. Kind of pretty much a pep talk of, hang in there, you. You have a purpose here on this planet. And just hang on, it's not always going to be like this for you. And I thought, wow, this is a really weird thing for a volunteer firefighter to say. But, you know, it was reassuring. And then my boyfriend came home and he called 91 1. And so all that got through that. And a few days later I was walking up to my car, which I drove a blue Carmen Ghia and my good friend had a yellow one. So we were really into our Carmen Ghias. We were commuting to Colle together and I kept seeing this pink Carmen Ghia. And I would, when we go through a stoplight or, you know, I would see this really pretty color of pinky purple and I would say, kathy, you know, because we were always on the lookout for Carmagias and I would see this. But at the time I was just really, really struggling and. But I would always see this car. So when after I got home from the hospital and I was walking up to my car, we lived on a busy road in, in the harbor. And that pink Carmen Gia was really slowly coming around and it like slowed down and it was so weird. It was almost shimmering. And it was that. It was that guy, the volunteer firefighter that was standing next to my bed and he was waving at me and I was just like, my jaw was on the ground. It was. And I didn't understand at that time what that was, who he is, what this was. I just thought, oh, my God, my life is weird. It's so, you know, it was just so strange.

[Alex Ferrari]

But, so, yeah, and. But you, you had enough self awareness to know that there was something off that, you know, you didn't fall into, like, oh, this is you didn't you didn't drink the Kool Aid as they said. You, you were kind of like, hey, wait a minute, man, things are just so weird and I got no guidance here. And it seems like your spirit guide is coming around going, it's going to be okay. It's these little signs to kind of keep you going. Even though he couldn't sit you down and go, look, this is the deal. Because that's not that he did. Eventually. Eventually. Well, also, and this is really interesting, and this is something I found interesting from people I've spoken to that they, the other side won't give you information until you're ready for it.

[Jen Bushman]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

They will not, because you're not prepared for it. And I always use the example of a lottery. You know, if you win a hundred million dollars tomorrow and you really don't know what to do with that kind of energy coming towards you, it could destroy you as it does most lottery winners, because they're not, they're not psychologically prepared, ego prepared, spiritually prepared, financial literacy prepared, none of that stuff to deal with that kind of energy. So it's a gift that you're not getting the information maybe when you want it, but you'll get it when you need it. Fair enough.

[Jen Bushman]

Fair enough, sir. Very good. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. So at what point did you start to understand truly what your gift was and started to embrace the gift, at least in the private standpoint before you, as you say, wave your freak flag out for all to see. I know there's a, there's a little step between that and where we are right now. So how did you embrace, finally embrace what you. Your gift?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, because things, you know, were weird. And then at 22, I met a woman who was my therapist, who told me that she was a walk in and an alien. I know you don't talk about aliens, Alex, but you know, but there is a purpose there. There are ET guides that we have and it's very real. And so she entered my life and after nine months of working together, I mean, she helped me so much because this is when I was 22 and I was in school and I was always, you know, I was better after the 19 year old incident, but still functioning. This low grade depression that just kept going up and down and. But it was a little better than where I had been, but it was still a struggle. And she was wonderful, helped me in such different ways than I had ever been helped. And then the last two sessions because I was moving to Hawaii and she was going home is how she put it.

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[Jen Bushman]

And then the last two sessions, she told me who she was and why she was here and why I'm here. And I was like, you know when you hear that and you already think you're crazy, right? And you've spent that nine months just really opening up to whom you think is your therapist, right? Then it was like telling myself, oh my God, I really am delusional. I really am nuts. But there was that piece because I was so convinced that I was nuts because I marinated in this energy of belief in my family and the people I associate programming to reaffirm that that I was nuts. But there was that other side where it all made so much sense. It was so bright. So I did see her go home. I was going to move to Hawaii in two days and I had been down at my family's house in Gig harbor and was driving home and I was coming up through the mountains because I lived in Bellingham at the time in Washington state. Coming down, it's this awesome part of the highway where you come up to go through the mountains and come down. And as I was cresting, I looked up through my sunroof and there was an upside down craft look like an aircraft carrier. And so I did. I saw Courtney go home and then I had missing time and all that stuff. But that was really significant for me because fast forward through my life and I'm seeing pink, you know, on the beach in Waikiki, in and black checked shirt. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm seeing that guy. So I am telling myself I am delusional. I am crazy.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're seeing people. Dead people. You're seeing people. Yeah, it's weird. I get you. Yeah, that's a. It's a beautiful mind. You're like a beautiful mind, right?

[Jen Bushman]

Bartending on the beach in Wi. And I know what everybody's thinking. I know what they're going to drink before they order it. I mean, I know, you know, it was just when you're open like that, like I said, you just absorb like a sponge. So not only is it crazy making here like, you know, people just don't do this. But not understanding how energy works and frequency works and how to use this to move humanity along, right. So when I was 52, I went to this young psychiatrist or nurse practitioner to get help because it was just getting really, really bad. And I was like, okay, I need this, this, this and this, you know, these medications. And I think if I do four electric shock treatments, I'll be. It'll zap it out. And he just kind of looked at me, he just smiled and he was like, jen, he goes, have you ever thought maybe you're psychic? And I was like, oh, here we go again. And I was like, oh my gosh.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why do I keep attracting all these crazy people around?

[Jen Bushman]

These crazy mental health. He said, I know you are because I am. And man, that moment, Alex, it was, it was incredible. Yeah, the seas parted, changed my life. Yeah, it was like the world came together. So all those mental health insurance paid appointments turned into coaching sessions. He told me, explained to me who I was. Like, I would say, okay, so when I do this and this and this. And he would say, oh, that's this. And he would say, well, what hits do you get about that? And I mean, it was just fantastic, you guys. It was so. It was so liberating and like, ah, finally.

[Alex Ferrari]

And this is in your 50s, you're doing this.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah, so I was. That's five years ago.

[Alex Ferrari]

So let me ask you this now that you are aware of your, obviously your gift and you have a much better understanding of the other side and soul blueprints and soul plans and these kind of Things. Why did you have to go through 52 years of all of this crap, of not understanding who you were, thinking you're crazy. Think because there's other people who have your gift, who have a supportive family or has a friend that they meet in their 20s or reads a book that really opens them up or finds an organization, something that helps guide them. You had apparently very little guidance other than your therapist, which you still didn't kind of believe at that point. To you. Why do you think you had to go through that in this life?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, to get me to today, to what I do now. I mean, now I am just. My days are full from 3am until 9 at night helping.

[Alex Ferrari]

But is. But the struggle. But the struggle is what got you, because there's a struggle. So you went through hell beating yourself up over these years. And trust me, I have a similar story of my own, not nearly as entertaining as yours, but of what I had to go through to get to. To where I am right now. So I understand the value of it.

[Jen Bushman]

It, yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

But. But it. I still sometimes go, is it because I asked for. Obviously I asked for this. Obviously, this is the journey that I needed to go through, you know, but could I have. Could I be who I am today if I would have gotten this information 20 years ago? Did I need 20 years of this hell, like I'm telling you? Like, did I need.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Could I got.

[Alex Ferrari]

Could I met this psycho. Psychotherapist at 30?

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I really need 20 more years of this insanity.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's what I'm asking.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah. Well, you said it. You said that we aren't ready for information, and we're ready. So it's a soul contract. So soul contracts are what we experience here in the third dimension as humans. In no other dimension do we experience emotion the way that we do here. I mean, if you think about it, every single interaction that you have, every relationship that you have, is through emotion. You even have a relationship with somebody that you're driving alongside of on the freeway, and they speed up and you notice them. It's always through emotion. And so what Courtney taught me, and that's why I do soul contract work with people, with folks, is to understand all the relationships, all the experiences that we have in our life, our frequency. It's energy and it's understanding what is the energy that is being reflected back to you, that which you need to learn. And we do it through our relationships. It's not like I chose the parents that I had or the family that I had. When I was at the top of the slide and incarnated into this lifetime, I, you do this with other souls. And it's not like, you know, I chose the soul next to me. That's not how it works. It works like I will show up in a way that will teach you to love yourself. And, and I would say to the soul next to me, I'm going to show up in a way that will teach you belongingness. Right. And so we incarnate and then my mother and my father, they showed up as my mother and father. So it's not like we choose these experiences and it's not like because see, we're attaching emotion when we judge like that. It's just is it so up to reflect back to you? So I was ready when I was ready and now I, I needed all of that experience, all of that pain, all of that joy, all of that everything that I experienced in order to do the job that I do today.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you're on the other side and you're putting together the soul contract and I've, and I have spoken to so many people in regards to soul contracts from death, from near death experiences to psychics, to the channels and all that. So my understanding of it from not being a psych and not actually speaking to the other side and please tell me we'll be right back after a.

[Next Level Soul Host]

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[Alex Ferrari]

From what you're telling me is that from what I understand, there are major checkpoints along the journey that you have to get to. Like, you're gonna. You're gonna marry this person. You're gonna be an architect, you're gonna be this or that. And there's moments that you have to get to. Now, how you get there is truly up to you. You can go the long way, the short way, all that stuff, but there are checkpoints that you have that. That you're like, hey, I really would like to know what it feels like to be obscenely rich in this lifetime. And, like, would you like to start rich or would you like to become rich? Oh, I don't know. Unless I think I'd like to become rich and actually earn my way up there. Maybe the next life I'll do hereditary, and I'll just be born into a rich family. I don't know. And then. Okay, okay, so if that's what you want, then you're gonna need to go here, here, and here. How you get there is up to you. But that's what you can. That's your experience that you want to get. That's something. Just an experience level of it. Now you go into a deeper level going, okay, I really would like to learn empathy. Okay? If you want to learn empathy in this life, okay, you talk to another soul who's in your soul group. You say, I will show up sometime in your life to teach you this lesson. If you need to go, I need to feel what it's like to be, you know? And I use this as an example because I had my own devil that showed up when I was in my 20s who was an ex gangster who, you know, tortured me for about a year when I was trying to make a movie with him. And he taught me so much about my life. And I imagine that when I was on the other side, I asked somebody and I asked one of the souls, and they're like, oh, I got you in this life, I'm gonna be. And I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna teach a lot of people these lessons while I'm learning my lessons. So if you want to just swing over, I'll make sure to take care.

[Jen Bushman]

Of your lesson for you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I'm like, cool. So it's. Am I. Am I kind of getting the idea correct?

[Jen Bushman]

You are, but understand that his lesson, he. Him acting this way, him experiencing the emotion he is from acting like that, choosing that behavior.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. He's going to learn his lessons from his send. And I'm going to learn my lessons from my end. It's it. And it just. When I, when I heard all of this stuff years ago about soul contracts and so blueprints, all this stuff's starting to make more sense. You know, it might not be the, the way that everybody thinks of, of life, but when I was like, oh, that kind of makes more sense than, oh, if we don't, if we do bad, we're going to go down to an eternal hell. It didn't make any sense to me, but this actually makes sense to me. And okay, so that's. So if things are quote unquote, negative things are happening to my life, they're not happening to me. They're happening for me.

[Jen Bushman]

They're happening for you. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, and it is not easy to feel that when it's happening to you. Super easy. In the, in the back, like, oh, years ago. That was great that all that horror.

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[Jen Bushman]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But when you're in the horror, it's very difficult to, to deal with that. And it happens to me every, it still happens to me all the time, like, why is this happening? Why did this happen? And I'm like, oh, you know what? I might not understand what the reasoning is for this, but I might figure it out down the road. And you just got to kind of roll with the punches that way. So. So, okay, so let's just go back real quick. So you're. Now you understand who you are, what you, what your abilities are. And now the big question is you're a closeted psychic at this point, you haven't come out. And, and I love the term fly your freak flag. I think that's a great. That should. You should fly your freakflag.com should be one of your websites.

[Jen Bushman]

I think that's the name of my book. I'm trying to figure out the title for it. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, it's. It's beautiful. That's a beautiful title. I think I'll fly my freak flag. What is this? At what point did you finally get the courage to come out of that psychic closet and go, okay, guys, this is what I do?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, I started on YouTube and I started just, you know, using tarot cards on current events. And I did that for a while and it was fun. It was wonderful because I started in two ways. You know, I was engaging in My gift. But I was also meeting people that shared my gift or encouraged it or also felt like they didn't belong. And they found. We found belongingness and inclusion in the YouTube community in this particular arena.

[Alex Ferrari]

Isn't it interesting that after you discovered, after you. After 52 and all this information came in that you started to attract people who supported what you were doing? Like minded people before that they were few and far between, if ever.

[Jen Bushman]

It was very.

[Alex Ferrari]

And all of a sudden then you got this embarrassment of riches now with all these people showing up and you're like, where were you 20 years ago?

[Jen Bushman]

Right, exactly. Yeah. It's interesting how it works. Yeah. But it, it happened just as it was supposed to because then I started to do readings for people and I kind of. I saw tarot as a way to kind of hide in a sense, you know, it was like using cards in a systematic way, you know, tapping in the spirit maybe. And yes, it kept, you know, kept like, like another. Like a layer. Yeah. And so. But then I got more and more confidence and more and just really with the encouragement of the community that I was in, to just be myself, to just be me. And so it has. It's just evolved into, you know, I do starseed readings. I can tell you where you come from, your birth star, but what your purpose is, why you came back to the third dimension, what is your contract. I see the dimensions and I understand. I channel dimensions, the spiritual messages from the dimensions. Soul contract work. I've created a class around that and help folks move through phases. We use Danielle McKinnon's work. But I'm in the process of writing my own book about it. You know, it's just. It's grown and grown. I teach meditation and I'm just me. And I have no problem talking about ETS or talking about Sasquatch. I mean, I went and had a Sasquatch reading with Gail Fowler, the urban shaman, and she told me the twins, remember the twins. That I saw that they were there when my son was born. Because she channeled exactly what happened when my son was born. A different. Nobody would know that it's a very. It was a difficult birth. And so they are here now. So when I do my healings and clearings, I tap into them and Rosie, she's my Sasquatch, that when I do medical intuitives and I go in and I see what's going on with your body and the blockage and how to help you release that, move it and help you heal or diagnose illness, they help Me. So I know that it seems pretty like, whoa, that's my freak flag, right? It's pretty. It's. It's pretty colorful.

[Alex Ferrari]

Colorful, to say the least. To say the least.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You said that you tap into different dimensions. And I've had many guests on the show, that channel from different dimensions and even. Even spiritual masters and yogis who obviously discuss this, I always find fascinating is no matter who I'm talking to, all the truths are similar or. Or they all. The truth is a truth is a truth is a truth. Very few contradictions. I ever, ever hear from multiple. From people from all walks of life, all traditions. When you get to the real core of it, it's really interesting. So dimensions is fascinating to me because one of my favorite things to talk about is, like, parallel realities, the multiverse, all of that kind of stuff. And then, of course, just the different phases of dimensions that we have. The third dimension, fourth dimension, fifth, and so on. Can you talk a little bit about your work in these other dimensions, how you're able to tap into them and what they can teach us in this dimension?

[Jen Bushman]

Well, yes. So it started with when I was a child, and I would wind up when I would go into the woods, because we lived in the woods on. I grew up on an island in the South Puget Sound. And so when I would be in the, you know, by myself out in the woods, walking down to the, you know, the road for the school bus, I would. I would walk through, like, different times and different places. And it started that way. And it started with colors and frequencies and light. And then as I grew and I was, you know, speaking with the psychiatric nurse practitioner and trying to understand what is all this, this color, these places. I go and I wind up. And.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'Ll be right back after a.

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[Jen Bushman]

You know, I was explaining, well, that's, that's dimensional work. And you know, and he counseled me and said to just ask, ask for clarification. And so as I honed my skills, I can, I can use dream time really effectively, you know, as to where I want to go. I have certain ritual that I do to line up my aspects and that's, that's how I get there. But it took time to really understand. And then Courtney, when she came back to me in the guide form that she is, she helps me to understand what it means. And so then I channel the meanings from the dimension.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the one thing I've heard many times, and you just kind of touched upon it, is that the other side, in all of its forms, do not interfere because we all have free will in our lives. But if you ask for help, help shows up. They won't show up without being prompted. They're funny that way. Right. Even though they could, like this person obviously needs a little help. They haven't asked for it. You know the rules. We can't go down or we can't do anything. We can't send a person. We can't turn on a song or we can't show them the movie or a book that they need to read until they ask for help. And I think that's a lesson that all of us need to learn when we're having struggles in life. Ask for help, ask for clear clarification. And this information does get to you. It's happened in my life many times where I'm like, what? And don't just yell out, why is it happening to me? That's not what I'm saying. Be a little bit more strategic with the way you ask it, but would you agree that's the way it works?

[Jen Bushman]

Exactly. And that's what I tell my folks, is that your spirit guides are not your parents. You know, they, they do not. I mean, not as if your parents can't be your guides. That's not what I'm Saying the crossed over loved ones. What I'm saying is your spirit guides, they're not micromanaging you. They're not. They will offer you and give you messages. They will nudge you when they see that maybe this will split your soul. They will enter and there will be an intervention. But no, it's because. And that's the eighth dimension. That's where the Akashic records lie. That's where the library of you exists. Your past, your present, your future. But we have free will. And so we can change that at any moment. And we do that. And we are supposed to do that to think that your life is already mapped out. What is, where is the beauty in that? There is no ascension in that is what Pink says.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it's, it's kind of like playing a video game. If you already have all the answers or you have the invincibility token and you can just kind of walk through everything, it becomes boring brain. It becomes boring. But what's the point? You've gotta only have three players, three men, as they say, to play the game. If you die once, you got to come back. But you better learn around the corner because you're not. You only got three shots at this, let's say in a video game scenario. So a lot of people think, oh, everything's predestined. Yes and no. I would agree that there is those landmarks, those, those markers on the highway that you will get to. That's predestined because you set it up that way. But how you get there, you can go, oh, you could take 10 year detour to get to that place. And that's also to my understanding the spirit guides and the universe as a general statement will start to nudge you and push you in the direction that you requested to go. But you have free will. So you're kind of going off the reservation. And the first day they whisper, then they tap, then they nudge. And eventually a car hits you. And occasionally you're hit with a sledgehammer across the head because you're like, you apparently not getting it. So we got to stop you. And then, you know, and that's where near death experiences come in sometimes. And that's where like you had a near death experience and had a spirit guide come in and go look. Yeah, apparently we, apparently you've gone so far off the reservation we need to. Yeah. At least can't give you all the information because your head will explode.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But we're gonna let you know that there's something happening happening Here, right there.

[Jen Bushman]

Is something that's fascinating.

[Alex Ferrari]

So let me. So let me ask you, as. As you've been doing your work as a psychic, what do you see happening for our. Our. This great consciousness shift that I keep talking about? And, and a lot of people are talking about this, the, the higher consciousness. We're all as a species, we are rising and raising our. Or shifting into a higher state of consciousness, because obviously we're having these conversations. So that means that there is a. Definitely a shift from when you were born to where we are now. There's been a shift. Where do you see us going as. As a. As a collective, on the spiritual side first. And then we'll get into some of the other stuff.

[Jen Bushman]

We are. We are rising and growing, and we are unifying. This is kind of a long answer, and I'll try to make it as succinct as possible. So you talk about the multiverse. So just think of the universe, the whole time and space and consciousness, why we are here. What are we here for? What is this? It's pretty, you know, it's pretty far out in the third dimensional, because we are on the linear number line. To imagine, you know, to really understand. We have moments where we remember, because our soul exists in many different dimensions at one time. But understand that us, in this universe that we are in, in our galaxy and we are rimmed with other galaxies, it's kind of like. Think of it as districts in the multiverse. And so we all unite in our consciousness. All beings, all souls that are in this particular ring are united. I know it's kind of far out to think about, but things evolve. The universe is expanding. Things change. The. The consciousness, our consciousness is changing. And you can see it here on the Earth, right? We're kind of in our politics in the geopolitics. It's. The world is like, whoa, it is so divided, it's so black and white. But we need that. You need the darkness in order to see the light. So understand that our light is pretty darn big. If we're seeing the darkness being refracted back to us the way that it is, that it. It's a sign that we are growing. That is, the messages that I get is that. That we are moving beyond this, that collectively, our collective conscious, we are rising, we are ascending back to the sun. So when we plop out of the light when we are born, when our soul is born is kind of like. What I see is. It's almost like the sun or a star or a big light. And we kind of flop out and we join our soul family, and it's almost a ring. And everybody goes off and does their jobs between 1 and 15. Then we reunite. We become a collective consciousness and we ascend back to the sun. Now, I've asked to be shown, you know, what it's like back there. But I have been shown what the higher dimensions are.15 and beyond. And it's pretty. It's light. It's all about the light frequency. And when we achieve that, this doesn't matter at all. It's like we have achieved what we've needed to achieve in the third dimension. So understand that your earthly experience here, focus on your soul contract, because that's the whole point. You will come back and redo your lifetime with the same contract. You have contracts that you are born with. You are. You have a contract that you come in, you are born into the universe with. Then you create these lifetime contracts from your experiences. But understand there's always going to be a big nugget like mine is, I'm not enough. I'm not enough. So what I do is I've gone out and I'm in experiences that reflect back to me, that energy that I am not enough. Because I need that in order for my soul to grow, to rise. Once I started to realize that refraction in the energy, then it allows you to kind of separate from yourself, like your humanness. And you see yourself as a player on a stage. And then you see all the people in your life and what they're reflecting back to you. And it takes away the sting. It takes away all that humanness that gets involved, all that pain or judgment or, you know, depression, right? Anxiety. It lets that go so that you can get to the nugget and get the work done. Could you get the work done here? You finally work through that contract. You rise, you grow, you ascend, and you become part of all that. That is.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And these different layers or dimensions. And again, none of this I've is news to me. I've heard, we've talked about this before and we've heard it before, but there's always different flavors of dimensions. As far as the vibration, that's why I always, when I hear near death experiences and there is a dark near death experience, either Jesus or an angel or something of a higher vibration or frequency comes down and the lower, lower frequency entity just can't even, they can't, they can't deal with it. They have to. They have to. It's, this is such a higher level level and you can kind of. I've had the, I've had the privilege of meeting people at a higher, that are a higher frequency. I think a lot of people on this show, the energy of my guests a lot of times are of a much higher frequency than the average Joe, if you will. And you can sense it. You can feel a difference with them. You could also feel when someone is very heavy and, and just, you know, negative and you know, all that kind of stuff. But what's going to ask you about the dimensions is that the ascended masters we, we talk about a lot of times the Jesus is of the, the world, the Buddhas, the Yoganandas, the Saint Germains, these kind of souls, the Babajis of the world. These souls have risen to a point that. Are they within the first 15 or have some gone beyond the 15? Are they still stuck within the 15 because they are helping us? Because they've chosen to stay down and help us.

[Jen Bushman]

Right, Very good. They're like 15th and below. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because they could eventually go up higher but then they would have to let go of helping us.

[Jen Bushman]

Right, Exactly. Very good. Because we wouldn't recognize it, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, no, no, it's, it's, it's the equivalent and when you said that so people understand that they wouldn't rec. I understand what you mean by. But I'm going to try to clarify for the audience because that doesn't. It's hard. It's hard to grasp. We wouldn't recognize that kind of energy or that kind of frequency. It would be the equivalent of a tribesman somewhere in the Amazon. And we would show up with all our technology and they've never seen. If you can even find a human being. I'm sure there are human beings still that have never touched or seen a white person or I've never seen this kind of technologies that we have now showing up with this kind of stuff in a car for the first time or seeing an airplane for. It's so far beyond their reality that they just can't even grasp what it is. And that would be the equivalent of 16 and above.

[Jen Bushman]

Yeah, it's like, wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, they're at a different. They're just at a different. And it's not a higher level, it's not a better level. It's just a different level. They are at a different level of their evolution. It's like someone who's never read a book before in their life. And you're. Then you. You meet someone who has a PhD who's read thousands of books, just a different level. By the way, the person who's never read a book could be a much higherly evolved person than the person who's been a thousand. Trust me, I've read a lot, a lot of PhDs who are clueless about life. But I've met people who are quote, unquote ignorant. I'm like, well, they got a couple things figured out along the way. So it's, it's a. It's all relative.

[Jen Bushman]

So.

[Alex Ferrari]

So with you said you, there needs to be dark to see the light. And we are rising in consciousness. Why is there so much war and anger and racism and things that have been popping up? I mean, the war in the Middle east alone, you're just like. I was like, what?

[Jen Bushman]

Really?

[Alex Ferrari]

Again, like, it just. It. I was like, why are we replaying these old, old songs again? You know, and the things that are going on with Russia and, And even the stuff that's going on here in the States in the, in the political arena, it's like. And by the way, political arena all over the world, it's. You could just see it happening in other countries around the world. Why are we replaying these songs again? Why are we going back and treading over stuff that in some cases is thousands of years old. Why haven't we learned those lessons yet?

[Jen Bushman]

Right? Because that's part of being human. That's the third dimension. Think about the administration we're in now versus the last administration versus the administration. Prior. Very different thoughts. Belief, energy. Right? We will always be swinging between the poles. That's the third dimension. You will be at completely opposite ends of energy, but you're holding the same rope. Right? That's how we grow. This is how we rise. This is how we ascend, is through this, history will repeat itself. We have, you know, wonderful that we have energies running around the earth that are saying, you know, history is here to help look at what we're heading into. But it's a way, it keeps the palace sense, Alex. Yeah, it makes sense, keeps the equilibrium. Because this is the whole point of us being in the third dimension. As human beings, we're always going to have this struggle. It doesn't matter if you're on Earth or if you're on Planet X somewhere where you are in the third dimension. This is what it is like. Like it is for this purpose. So it's for you to find your center. It's for you to find your relationship with spirit. That nobody determines who you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you mentioned what we're heading into. What are we heading into in this next year or the rest of this decade? Because it seems like it's, it's becoming a rockier road as we are moving forward. And I know from what I understand it's going to be a little bit of. It's going to be a little bit turbulent. I'd love to hear what your thoughts are and what you've been told.

[Jen Bushman]

It is going to be a little bit turbulent, but then it's going to get better.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Can you have, do you have any details in regards to that that you can give us any sort of. I don't need dates, but just as a, as a broad brushstrokes.

[Jen Bushman]

What do you.

[Alex Ferrari]

What, what is happening to us? As you know, we're. I mean, I know the economy, geopolitics, wars. It doesn't seem like this is going away.

[Jen Bushman]

Right. Well, if we continue on this same path, yes, we are, you know, we are right on the wheel. The wheel of Fortune, the 10th card in the tarot deck. Right. It's. It means this is the wheel of free will. Our choices can determine our destiny, our fate. We see the possibility. We've got the two choices. We have the mirroring. We are in that place where we are At Choice right now, I do see relief happening in the middle of April that, like, we're all going to take a little sigh of relief. I'm not going to say it on the show, but we're going to feel relief in our politics. I, I see that we're, I mean, do you want me to talk about politics?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, I mean, I think, I think as a, as a general statement, I generally stay away from politics. Politics, if it's in a broad space, you know, I don't want to stay on one side or the other, but if there is going to probably be something. Look, we're in, you know, as we're recording this, we're in an election year and regardless of which side of this, of the, of the aisle you're on, there's stuff going on, you know, and I think there's always good and bad on both sides. That's the way I always look at it when it comes to politics. Because if you ever met a politician, sorry, all politicians out there. But, but as a general statement, what, what are you seeing? You don't have to be specific. You don't even have to say the party's names or anything like that. But generally, what do you see happening? Because that will determine a lot or where we're going as, as a species. Because a lot of the stuff that happens in the, in the U.S. ripples throughout the rest of the world.

[Jen Bushman]

People are going to choose the light. They're going to choose the truth. We're going to stand in light. We have a lot of help coming from the ascended masters, our angels to help. We are at a pivotal point in humanity. We are at a choice. And it's like I said, it's a sign that we are evolving so much that we need this kind of big, gnarly, meaty choice. Right? We are, we will choose the good, but we need the struggle in order to get to that point.

[Next Level Soul Host]

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[Jen Bushman]

You know, being spiritual, being in the third dimension, it's a very grown up responsibility. It's not like something that happens to you. We have the ability to determine our destiny. These challenges that we have, whether it's in our home or it's geopolitically, they are meant to challenge us, to constantly reflect back to us that we make a choice. We make a choice in where we stand and what we want to bring in, what we want to encourage.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what is the biggest lesson that we need to learn in the next 10 years as a species?

[Jen Bushman]

That it is possible. It is all possible. That it, it's a choice, you guys. You can choose what you want to experience. You can choose who you are and how you want to experience this life.

[Alex Ferrari]

As an individual and as a collective.

[Jen Bushman]

Yes. Sorry, no, no.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's an emotional thing because there's so many people in so much pain. I appreciate you being so vulnerable by the way. There are so many people in so much pain around the world world who are under delusions that they are. They have no control over their life. That they have no control. They have no control over anything that happens to them. And the information that we put out on the show and these conversations hopefully empowers people to understand that the power is within themselves.

[Jen Bushman]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they can choose a different life. And I know it's hard to think that way when you're in, in the crap and you're in the deep mud. We've all been there. I've been there, you've been there. You know, I don't think you can go through this life without being touched in one way, shape or form like that. It's part of it. It's just part of the journey. So when you're in it, it's really difficult to see your way out of it. You're like in the forest, in the trees, and you can't see anything but the trees. But if you're able to quiet yourself, look inward, start to do things little by little, reading a book here and there, listening to a podcast, you know, meditating, all these little things to start getting you out. It won't happen like that, but it will eventually get out. Look, it took you 52 years. It took me a long time as well, decades to figure out a lot of this stuff as well. So I think that's the message of. Of this conversation, hopefully, what your work is and what my work is. So I appreciate you.

[Jen Bushman]

Then you are not alone. There are many people, many souls out there just like you. And there is belongingness, there is inclusion, there is understanding, and it's in spirit. And I love you. So there's that. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, Jen, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests.

[Jen Bushman]

Yes. Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Jen Bushman]

Standing in your power, your truth?

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Jen, what advice would you give her?

[Jen Bushman]

That you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Girl, you're gonna be fine, girl. Just hang in there. Just hang in there. These people around you. Cray cray.

[Jen Bushman]

And exactly that. You are beautiful and you are loved. Jenny. Jenny Lynn. Yes. That's what I will tell my little Jenny.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define God? Or source?

[Next Level Soul Host]

Source.

[Jen Bushman]

All that is in everything is me, is you. The trees, it's the light. But it's. It's that unconditional love that flows through all of us. It's in our DNA. It's in the DNA of the universe. It's why the universe exists. It's why we exist.

[Next Level Soul Host]

This.

[Jen Bushman]

That is God. God is love.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is love? Wow.

[Jen Bushman]

Love is energy. So it's pink. Love is that that flows through us, that bonds us all. It's that energy, it's frequency. It moves throughout the universe. Sweat unites the molecules, moves the atoms. It is love.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Jen Bushman]

To rise. Ascend. Find your power. Find who you are. Belief, hope, get to trust. Once you can trust, then you relax. Blows, right? You trust. It's just like, o. I mean, just saying it. Don't you feel it? It's like.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, it. It's like sitting in a war. It's like sitting in a warm stream and just being taken. But we spend most of our life walking up the stream against the current and fighting. Yeah, and fighting and fighting and fighting. And. And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing and the world.

[Jen Bushman]

Jen bushman.com and my YouTube tech channel is Jen Bushman. I do readings and I have classes. I have a rock shop because I'm so into the frequency of stone. I'm a six dimensional starseed from Cirus, so I'm really into the frequency of stone. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

[Jen Bushman]

You are beautiful, you are loved and it is possible.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jen, thank you so much for being on the show and for sharing your journey with us and your wisdom and your experiences with with the cat, with the tribe. So I appreciate you my dear, and everything you're doing to awaken the planet. Thank you.

[Jen Bushman]

Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It was an honor to be here. Thank you.

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[Alex Ferrari]

UnitedHealthcare nurse Crystal checked in on a patient.

[Jen Bushman]

We do a routine call after surgery and I could tell in her voice that she was start struggling.

[Alex Ferrari]

Crystal knew she needed help.

[Jen Bushman]

I knew that this is very serious, this is like septic, this is life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Threatening and she knew just what to.

[Jen Bushman]

Do and I called the hospital and said she's coming in, here are her.

[Alex Ferrari]

Labs and got her the help she needed.

[Jen Bushman]

I see my role at UnitedHealthcare as a life saving role.

[Alex Ferrari]

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