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In the luminous tapestry of today's conversation, we welcome the venerable Robert Thurman, a scholar, author, and advocate of Tibetan Buddhism. Robert Thurman, renowned for his dedication to the teachings of the Buddha and his efforts to bridge...
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Alex Ferrari
Welcome to the Next Level Soul podcast where we ask the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is this all there is? What is my Soul's mission? We attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you raw and inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating and thought provoking guests on the planet today. I am your host, Alex Ferrari. Now, if you wanted to go deeper down the rabbit hole with Next Level Soul, please download the free Next Level Soul app on Apple or Android. All you've got to do is go over to nextlevelsoul.com subscribe, download and get access to meditations, exclusive interviews, live streams with me, and early access to episodes before they air anywhere else and so, so much more. So again, head over to nextlevelsoul.com forward/subscribe disclaimer the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the show, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now today on the show we have the legendary Robert Thurman, who is a Tibetan Buddhism scholar. He is kind of a legend in this world because he's not only great friends with the Dalai Lama, hung out with Ramda and all sorts of amazing people and spiritual masters along his journey in life, but in this conversation, we also went down a few rabbit holes, like Jesus's connection to Buddha and much more. So let's dive in. I'd like to welcome to the show Robert Thurman. How you doing, Robert?
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Robert Thurman
I'm doing fine, Alex. Nice to talk to you.
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Alex Ferrari
A pleasure. A pleasure is all mine, my friend. I am a fan of your work. I. I am fascinated with Tibetan Buddhism and, And also your work on compassion and. And trying to bring the world together and awaken the world with your work and, and everything you've been doing throughout your life and career. And we're going to talk a little bit about your book, Wisdom is Bliss, your new book, that's out as well. But my very first question to you, Bob, is what initially attracted you to Tibetan Buddhism? Because I'm assuming you weren't born in Tibet, so. No, it's not something you were born into.
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Robert Thurman
I was born on 89th street, although that could be Tibet. You never know. It's like New York City is kind of detached from the hinterland, you know, like. But no, I wasn't born this lifetime in Tibet. I was born of other lifetimes in Tibet and Mongolia. I noticed after years and. But not his lifetime, but what it was. I was actually attracted to Indian Buddhism, like original Buddhism. But when I got to India in 1962, for the first time, I realized that the people who really knew Indian Buddhism were the Tibetans, because the Indians with the, you know, the transformation of India under first Islam and then under British Christianity, you know, Persian Islam and then British Christianity, they lost the Buddhist monasteries. And there. There were still yogic Buddhism sort of a little bit esoterically, but the big institutions that had been there for 1700 years from this time were gone, you know, because the. Initially, the Muslims didn't see any need for a bunch of useless monks. And they had huge universities, you know, like 10, 20,000 people, and all over India. Actually, it was a hu. Huge institution in India. And it. And they also identified it as sort of not believing in a creator, which would be correct, although they were wrong. And Buddhists are wrong when they present themselves as not believing in the existence of deities, because God. Because Buddhists definitely do believe in the existence of gods, but they just don't believe there's one that you can blame the whole shooting match for, you know, for messing up that one. Buddha rejected that one. And actually God himself, the one in Buddha's time whose name was Brahma, you know, ma b r a H M a a Brahma. He said to Buddha, look, please tell people I didn't create it and I'm not omnipotent, I'm just really great, I'm powerful, I love people. I want them to do well. I want them to be grateful and worship me when they're doing great, when horrible things happen to them. I don't want them blaming me, I, I that, you know, we're all in it together. And so please tell them that we have our mutual karma and it's not just me, you know, because, you know they, he knew Brahman, knew that the sort of problem with the omnipotent monotheism is that, you know, if things go wrong for you in a really bad way, who's to blame power to do it and he did it to you. So it's like Elie Wiesel, you know, he, he hated God for 50 years. He luckily forgave him before he passed away. He did actually. And, and he wrote an op ed in the New York Times about forgiving him. Not that he welcomed the horrible Holocaust, but he forgave God. He figured God work is going to work it out some other way for all the souls, you know, that got lost. Something I think, I guess, I don't remember exactly his wording but he did forgive me, which was really good. And I, it made me and that I've been working on that for a long time. And I forgive God too, you know. And when I was little, no really, when I was little I was annoyed with God, right? Yeah. Because I went to a Presbyterian church and his son, I was told a little kid, you know, it's like ah, really not look well you know, upon the wall and, and you know I know there's a theology and I'm a religion scholar and all that and I, I see the beauty of Christianity nowadays. Very much Buddhism helped me see it, but initially I had it and for God like no, I don't like that guy.
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Alex Ferrari
Well yeah, I mean being a recovering Catholic myself, I, I was always, I was always upset at the way they portrayed Jesus. You know, anytime I saw Buddha, he's either happy or peaceful. Those are the two images. I never get an angry Buddha or a Buddha that is in hurt and pain of some sort. So that, that wasn't because from my understanding Buddhism is not a fear based religion.
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Robert Thurman
There are fierce Buddhas, you know, in their level, like for us looking, but they're not. And people translate them as wrathful. But I don't like that because I don't consider that. I just call them fierce. You know, it's like a mom screaming in a car. Stop. You know, when her baby's in front of it or something, you know what I mean? Like ferociously screaming, you know. So there is a fear. There are fierce Buddhas in the esoteric thing, you know.
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Alex Ferrari
So what are so, so what are the, so what are the fears that Buddha in Buddhism, what are some of.
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Robert Thurman
The fears like fear, in other words? Well, the reason that they have the fierce Buddhas is in the esoteric is they are kind of considered to help you deal with Eros and Thanatos, especially Thanatos in the subconscious. You know, Freud found Eros and Thanatos. You know, the Thanatos is like the one in the movies, you know the, in the, in the first movie, you know. Yes, we all have that. Freud said we all have that, you know, you know, murderousness, dark, dark side in our consciousness, in our unconscious. And we also have a lustful side, you know, the Ero side. And we also have a confused side which he didn't really notice as much, but he was very much into Eros and Thanatos. And so his theories make people scared of them, their own unconscious actually, you know, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde sort of routine, you know.
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Alex Ferrari
So those fears are internal fears.
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Robert Thurman
He's aware of that. But it doesn't think it's not overcomeable by a person. And it thinks things that the purpose of, of psychotherapy at a deep level, spiritual psychotherapy that goes through all the way is to conquer those negative things in the unconscious so that they don't drag you in a bad way when you're reborn. Because, you know, Buddhism considers that common sense. It doesn't consider that mystical or woo woo anything. It's just, it's like the New York Drew away is still out there going up next to the Hudson River. You know, I, I believe that, but that's not a big mystical thing to me. It's like common sense. And so your life is like that for Buddhists.
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Alex Ferrari
So Bob, let me ask you, when did, to educate people, what are the origins of Buddhism in general and then the origins of Tibetan Buddhism? So when, when did Buddha actually? Because again, I'm a recovering Catholic, so I didn't study Buddha so much. So when I understood it's maybe like three or four hundred years before Christ. Is, is that an time period?
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Robert Thurman
65600. Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
Five or six hundred years prior.
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Robert Thurman
562 BCE okay. Sometimes people push it and say it must be later. It's controversial. Even the Tibetans say Buddha was born in the 9th century BCE before the. Before Christ, but Buddhist mainly to put him in the 6th century, the 500s before Christ. And he, but he, his loving type teaching is the second wave of Buddhism called the Mahay, the universal vehicle that all beings will be saved type of vehicle. Not just each individual by themselves, but everybody that really emerges around the time of Christ, actually. So there's a lot of link between the Christian vision, the good, the wonderful Christian vision about how, you know, the bad stuff goes away eventually, you know, and it's all good, you know, God is good ultimately.
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Alex Ferrari
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Robert Thurman
Wow.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Robert Thurman
And by the way, you know what I what was said before about that version of Jesus that was not worshiped by Christians for 325 years? Correct. They never worshiped the crucified Christ. They knew he got crucified and therefore he rose up from that and he just showed that form. He suffered with beings to redeem their suffering, but he did. But they didn't worship that when they worshiped the risen one. And the one they usually had when they had images, according to our historians, is what they call Christos pedagogos. Which means. Which doesn't mean Christ the podcaster. It means Christ the teacher pedagogue, you know, in Greek, you know, Right.
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Alex Ferrari
Wasn't that that time if it's around 300 years after his death? Isn't that time of Constantine and the council and the council of Nicaea? So that it's all part of the rebrand of Christianity that they did with.
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Robert Thurman
The Roman conquering thing.
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Alex Ferrari
Yes, it was in the Roman Catholic Church. Yeah, that's why it's called the Roman.
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Robert Thurman
Catholic any, any form of the thing, you know, the, you know, in fact, all the world religions mostly get a little twisted, I think, including Islam, by the fact that after the founder, you know, peace and life, love, and we're all, everything's cool and God is good and the. And ultimate reality is good. Some ruler like a caliph or the emperor of Rome or some other emperor comes along and says, no, no, no, I don't want you guys to be that much at ease. I want people scared because I want to control them. So then they select things and they edit and they hire religious scholars who are going to find the kind of threatening things by the founders, you know, like, you know, hell, if you don't believe this or that and the other, you know, the scary stuff. And they foster that because they want to frighten their population to keep them under control, you know. I'm afraid so.
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Alex Ferrari
When Buddha walked. When, When Buddha was walking the earth. Can you talk a little bit about Buddha and his journey? I mean, I've read Siddhartha. I read Siddhartha.
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Robert Thurman
So I understand he was a wild guy. He was. He had a. You know, his dad was predicted by a holy man, by psychic to his dad, that if Buddha was to have. If Buddha was to. To stay in the. If he was to leave the palace and become a seeker, you know, like a pilgrim or something, he would. He would be famous, but he wouldn't conquer anything. I mean, he wouldn't do the job, you know, that his dad wanted him to do, be the king, you know. And so he had to. If he saw any suffering in the world, he would freak out because he was very intelligent and sensitive. So the dad kept him in a really paradise, kind of really super four seasons level. Like really even way better than four seasons and paradise island sort of situation, supposedly. And. And then he discovered death, old age, sickness and so on. And he. In his twenties and then he did believe and he went over the wall, actually, and he found a higher kind of enlightenment about the nature of life. And he found the goodness of the universe, basically. He went through serious suffering, but he found the goodness of the universe. And then he rebelled. You know, he would have been a king, but he rebelled against all of that and he founded a monastic. He invented monasticism, actually. In other words, he created a social space where people could drop out of their duties in the caste system. And even women, which was very hard to do at that time because it was very patriarchal Indian society. You know, the women were the servants, the slaves, like they still are in many countries. And then he. His big teaching, which I liked and this is what attracted me, was that we human beings have godlike intelligence. We can understand ourselves and the world. We're capable of it. And that is actually a purpose of our life, is to really understand the world. And when we do, we love it. We do. And we love everybody. When we really understand what life is, we just. And we're not afraid of death anymore. We realize death is just a doorway from one body to another. And once we're at the human level, not the crocodile level, but the human level. If we understand that, we can just go better and better, and not just for ourselves, but we can also help others in the most effective, incredibly effective way. And so he was wrongly thought of by people when they discovered it, that Buddha teaches suffering. So everybody's supposed to suffer. The previous Pope, you know, Ratzinger, and also John Paul, under Ratzinger's advice and then Pope Benedict, they were into like, oh, we're so sorry for the Buddhists, because they're just so miserable, you know, because he taught. He taught. Because what Buddha taught is like what Socrates taught. Remember Socrates said, the unexamined life is not worth living? So Buddha never said anything as pessimistic as that. He said, the unenlightened life will be frustrating because you won't know where you are and you'll do the wrong thing here and there and get yourself stuck in the mud and so on and have problems. The examined life will become enlightened, and then you'll be really happy. And that was the discovery. In other words, the Indian people didn't follow him because they thought, oh, that's great. Let's all suffer together. No way. He just said, you're going to be frustrated. You're going to be stressed out if you think you're the center of the universe and you have this terrible problem that nobody else agrees with you except mom for a short time, and then on the honeymoon for a while, maybe, if you're lucky. Otherwise everybody else thinks they're the center. You know, everybody who's unenlightened. But if you understand what you are not that you don't exist, that's not the issue. You just understand that the way you are is the same as others, and therefore your whole deal is to be interconnected in all of them. And the ultimate thing is everyone loves everyone, and then they. They don't have to molest them to show it. They just love it. And then everybody has a really great time. And. And that's where I think we're headed today, you know, with. With. Especially since there are soul podcasters out there helping spirituality. Really? Oh, yeah. You know, my dear friend, Lisa Miller, did you ever cast.
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Alex Ferrari
I never. I never interviewed her, but I am aware of Lisa Miller.
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Robert Thurman
She is. She is so amazing. And she discovered and proved to the psychiatrist that spirituality is critical. The psychiatrists were anti spirituality because they thought the church makes everybody feel bad. You know, the synagogue, the church, whatever institution. But the essence of spirituality does something to the brain believing in the goodness of the universe, you know, feeling trust to the universe. That does something in the brain that, that immunizes the sector of the. Of the cortex where serious depression creates like a mess.
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Alex Ferrari
Well that's actually, I think, I think it was Lisa that I had on the show a while ago that was saying that any. They did studies. I forgot if it was in Princeton or what college she was at. But they were saying that if you believe in a higher power, whether that be religious or spiritual, whatever that deity is to you.
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Robert Thurman
More spiritual than religious actually.
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Alex Ferrari
Correct, Exactly. But if you think of a high, there is some higher power.
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Robert Thurman
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
You're like, you're less likely to have suicide, you're less likely to have depression. You're less likely to have so many things which is. It's really fascinating. Bob going back to.
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Robert Thurman
So that's what he taught and everybody loved it and a lot of people dropped out and then a lot of people got more cooled out and. And the women who joined were really flipped and they were so there are some wonderful poems I love. I especially love the one of I forgot her name. Now I made it age where I forget names. But she said oh wow, I just had lunch under the tree. I didn't have to cook it, somebody gave it to me. It was great. I only had one bowl. I don't have to wash all the dishes. I just wiped this one bowl out, put it back in my little stack and I'm here under the tree and thank you Buddha, you liberated me from three crooked things. The pestle I used to have to pound the rice with. The huskit. My old bent over mother in law who used to abuse me and make hard time in the household. And my hunchback husband. If this isn't nirvana, it's close enough, thank you.
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Alex Ferrari
It's as close to nirvana as we're getting.
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Robert Thurman
That's right. That's. You know, maybe she was in Nevada, who knows but. Or she knew she was. You know, actually Buddha really thinks we all are. This is nearby but the non dual more sort of sophisticated and complex one is that this is. Life is totally great. In other words. So that is nirvana. But if we know it, if we don't know it, we're going to struggle anyway. So. So that's what he thought. So then he taught that and it had a huge impact in India. And you know, it's sort of half of Hinduism. So therefore they think Buddha is the ninth emanation of God. You know, they didn't have just the One Jesus, many emanations of their idea of God, the Vishnu, Vaishnavites at least. And so he's the ninth avatar of Vishnu after Krishna. And there are only 10, you know, there's another one coming later. The Hindus think that, and that's valid because he's very much, you know, created a huge explosion in India. And then, then the Tibetans ran into it when they reached a high level of empire about a thousand years later where the rulers decided this was boring, going and conquering people doing looting and pillaging. And besides being boring, it's very unstable because my generals want to somehow break away. They don't want me to be the emperor. So it had a political reasoning too. And they looked around the world and the China, India, Central Asia, the flourishing kingdoms or empires, you know, everywhere were using Buddhism to sort of enlist people in having a stake in the country, you know, and they had all medicine and all kinds of sciences and psychology and related to that.
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Alex Ferrari
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Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Feel good and look good this summer with savings on your personal care favorites and earn four times points now through September 9th. Shop in store or online for items like Dollar Shave Club razors, hydro silk razors and Edge shave gel. Plus some favorite brands like Tampax, Pearl, Depend and Poise to earn four times points to use for later discounts on groceries or gas. Hurry in before these deals are gone. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do?
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [26:42]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Robert Thurman
Wow.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [26:56]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Robert Thurman
So they decided to, to switch to that like top down and they did around starting around 600 and the end of that century, 600 of the, of the, you know, AC or BC CE as we say in religious common era. And then that weakened their hold as a top down imperial thing because the militarism lessened. And then there was a big freak out about 200 years after that where they kind of lost their imperial control. But by that time the Buddha's way of life was pretty much infiltrated all around Tibet. So then after about a 50 year hiatus it came back very strong and it took them about 600 years and then they completely abandoned militarism basically. And they could get away with that in those days because of being up on the roof of the world. You know, it was like a real, not much oxygen, half the oxygen up there, 47% of the normal sea level oxygen up there and very big paths to grow over and so forth mountains around them, you know. So they got away with that till the 20th century and, and actually they became quite strong teaching Mongolian emperors and Chinese emperors over the ages, Nepali ones to be more cool with each other, you know, and have less warfare. But they could, they even got the Mongols to quit in the round 1500 after their huge empire. You know, they got the Mongols to calm down.
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Alex Ferrari
So let me ask you, that's a fascinating, it's fat, it's a, it's fascinating that politics always comes into play when there's religion or Philosophy. It's, it's fascinating going back to Buddha and his journey. Can you explain a little bit about from when he left the palace and discovered, he discovered death and, and aging and these, in these kind of sufferings and other things that he discovered. He went on a journey to enlightenment. And that's something that a lot of people talk about is enlightenment. And there's a, there's a version of that in Christianity. There's a version of that in many, many different kinds of religions of this concept of enlightenment, especially the yogi in the yogic traditions as well. Yeah, he, it wasn't a straight line. And he didn't just sit under a banyan tree one day and just go, oh, I get it now. There was a few ups and downs. He took wrong paths and from my understanding, he explained a little bit of that.
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Robert Thurman
Well, the, the, well the wrong path that he took was to over punish himself. He, like he starved himself. He, he didn't drink water. You know, like one tiny fingertip touch of water and one grain of rice a day for like six years. I mean really incredible. There's amazing picture of him looking all emaciated. A sculpture is in the Lahore Museum actually from the Gandhara empire, which was in Afghanistan and part what is now Pakistan. And when I met that in 1962, my first trip to India and just floored me, you know, it's like really, it's like Gethsemane. Christ in Gethsemane. Very similar, but you know, six years long instead of 40 days. And then in a way that was part of his trip, in a way. But he also, then he rejected it in the sense that he said that didn't necessarily help. In other words, when he grew up, he was spoiled. He had a huge harem that his dad procured for him, you know, as well before he married and was happily married and but you know, he was a king, so he had still had a harem and he was, would have had one if he'd become king. So he had a big sensuous thing. So then he had a big self torturing thing for another six years, you know. And then he rejected both of those. He said just indulging yourself or torturing yourself, neither one is the way. The key is to understand yourself. And also he didn't teach which people wrongly. A lot of them teach Buddhism as just what you do is you do a meditation where you shut off your thinking. You just become like duh, you know. But when he, his cry of triumph was not duh. I Don't know anything. It was rather, wow, I know everything and it's really great, you know. And I realized, you know, the whole, you know, I realized everyone is like me and I'm like them. And actually there's a seed of this total blissful life force in all of them. And I am, it's all, it's all of me because I know it's there and they can easily learn it, especially humans. And so I'm here with the humans, you know, I don't really bother. I do teach the gods too, actually. There's a lot of different ranges of gods. The Buddhist, you know, like imagine the Imaginarium, as some scholars would say. But actually the Buddhist cosmos is filled with angels, deities, also demons, like bad guys. But, but the angels and deities are stronger, you know. So the bad thing is like, it's not like equal. It's not like the bad guys are just people who've gone more astray, you could say, but into megalomania, into self centeredness. Because his insight was that it has to do with exaggerated wiring where it's all wrapped around yourself. And you think you're the greatest. And then you keep banging into people who do not agree and the universe doesn't agree. It comes at you with sickness and death and pain and, and you're trying to maintain still on the greatest. And then you can become kind of a psycho or you can get angry with it all and think. So then you, you know, you want to get rid of anybody who doesn't agree with you and, and, or you want to dominate them in some way, you know, and get them, get them on your side, you know, like this. So, and all of that is fruitless ultimately. Meanwhile, if you really love all of them, they're automatically on your side and they love you back eventually, you know, so that was the thing. And then here's the great thing. Then he did this insight he often put in terms of selflessness. He talked about selflessness, you know, Anatma. It's his famous teaching. So in other words, it's like when you analyze yourself, you don't find anything inside there that's an absolute. What you find is a transparent openness. In other words, you, you become like Neo in the Matrix, you know, you, you, you know, you become like Neo. In other words, you are the whole Matrix. So you can, you can manipulate things actually, like he did, right? Remember those bullets all popped out of his chest and then he merged with the bad guy, remember? And laughed. And because he was, he was the code underneath it as well as his individual self, you know, which is why I love that movie because it kind of illustrates that possibility which is a kind of, it's inexpressible also. It's a contradiction, but it's embodying a contradiction. So you, so whatever you say someone can say the opposite. So it's not a dogma. But the point is that's what he understood. But, but so, but he meant by selflessness he didn't mean that you just don't exist. What he meant is you have like a soul which the Buddhists in esoteric they call it, in the exoteric they call it the mental continuum comes from the beginning lesson goes into infinity and it and perpetuity. Also it doesn't leave time. It embraces all of time and all of space. And so that's what being a full Buddha is. But you can be enlightened way short of that and still very happy. And that's, that's the biggest one. And, but there is a personal continuum in all of that and that he called the indestructible drop. It's like a, like a little drop of, like a drop bindu in the Sanskrit word tigli in Tibetan, which is a really cute word, tickly, literally tigli. And it's considered when we're alive it's sort of tied up in the heart chakra in the center of a six fold double triangle knot in the heart chakra. And, and when we pass away it leaves the central channel but not opens and it leaves. But when you're enlightened it's open but you stay with any embodiment you want, you know, type of thing. I mean it's, it's preposterous. The sort of super wish fulfillment that it presents as the goal to a materialist it seems preposterous. Totally. You know, it's way beyond. Woo woo. It's so cool.
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Alex Ferrari
So the one thing I love about what you're saying is because a lot of, especially people in, in the Christian religions, all, all sects of them believe that they, that the Savior came fully formed. That the Savior and in many other religions as well, that the Savior comes fully formed and he is here to, to, to guide us to the light and, and for him to be worshiped.
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Robert Thurman
Right?
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Alex Ferrari
But from my understanding and from my research and studies, not one avatar who has ever stepped foot on this earth came fully formed. They all became, they were all were born human. And every yogi had to go through ups and downs and learn the path for themselves until they get to this form of enlightenment, which whatever word you want to use is enlightened, awakening, enlightenment to a point where you are Neo. I love. It's one of my favorite movies of all time as well, for that reason, because it's so deep and so many philosophical ideas are in it, so many truths are in it and it opens up so many rabbit holes, no pun intended, to go down when you watch a film like that. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty, pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan And Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Robert Thurman
Wow.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. But it is Neo is. I mean, not only is he Jesus, but he's also Buddha. He's also Yogananda, he's also Babaji. He's also all of the, all of the avatars you can think of wrapped into one. But they all finally understood the truth that they could. They, they are the code. And if you are the code, you can manipulate the code and have fun with the code, just as Neo did, just as Jesus did when he started and yogis do when they are able to do magic, if you will, or yogic powers. All that, all this is, all this is part of understanding that you are the code or you are part of, you are God. You are part of God. Is it, Is this all fair?
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Robert Thurman
You're absolutely right. And the thing is that, you know, but in a way you could say, on the other hand, what, what actually the result is or the reality of it is, is beyond our ability to formulate. This is really in the sense that we can say Jesus was fully formed or we can say that the miracle is the absolute paradox, that although he was God, like supposedly omnipotent or at least omniscient, yet he made himself unmniscent, to suffer with us and then returned omniscient. So he came to be like us, to give us the hope that even those of us like us can be like him. In other words, that's, that's the, that's the driving essence of Christianity and also Buddhism in the sense that. But, but it's, it's beginningless. There's no, it doesn't come from nothing any place. You know, there's no nothing. That's one of my favorite news flashes the last 30 years. I finally discovered that there's no such thing as nothing because our mind creates something out of a word because we want to think that our language is controlling everything we're giving names to. So then we automatically think we have a word, nothing. So there must be a big black space someplace that you fall into that. That's nothing. Meanwhile, nothing means it isn't there. That's the whole point of nothing. So you can't go there. That's very important for the materialist to wake up to that, you know. But my point there is that we agree and, you know, the Dalai Lama, and you're absolutely right, and the Dalai Lama is really great in terms of Buddhism historically, in that I happen to have been there, luckily, translating for him at Harvard Divinity School in the early 70s or the late 70s. And. And he was making this big fuss with all the theologians about how he wanted them to know that he didn't believe in God the way they did. And I kept trying to whisper to him in Tibetan, like, your holiness, don't have to freak them out right away. Come on, you're slow with that. No, he says, then he got belligerent, as we do, because we were a little bit fellow students from the 60s. I've known him for 60 years. I met him in the Wood Dragon year, the last one, which was 60 years ago, 1964. So then he gets belligerent and he says in English, or he. And he starts it in English, and then he makes me translate so that we tell him. He says, no, I want you all to know, he says, that this. There is this difference. He says, because if I didn't tell you now, then you might be kept to like me. He said, and then because I like you, and I were friendly, and then later you would discover, oh, he doesn't believe in God, and you might faint. I want you to know right away, I want you to be forewarned, you know, like, you know, like a label on the. On the. On the pill. But actually, what he also said, which I love, he said, and we Buddhists have been arrogant in the past years because we were only in Buddhist countries. Like, we were all Buddhist Buddhist. And so we thought, you have to be a Buddhist to awaken. But from Thomas Merton. And then he mentioned some Spanish mystics that he met over the years already by that time, and so on. And he said, I believe that every spiritual tradition that has lasted on this planet can bring you to what we Buddhists think of as enlightenment. So it's not that I tolerate the difference, it's that I respect it. Because if you take it to the max, what Jesus taught, what Muhammad taught, he didn't mention it. Not Muhammad. But later he did what they all taught, Lao Tzu taught in China. That will get you to the same place. And this is really critical because we have to stop converting each other. I don't want to convert anybody. I want everybody to stay with grandma's religion so grandma will be happy. That's all she says. I never want to convert anybody who isn't born Buddhist to be a Buddhist. But I want us to learn from each other on the other hand, how to, how to use the mind, psychology, science, you know, and he's, he, even the materialist, he thinks that's a world that's like a world. Spirituality is secular humanism, you know, reacting against the domineering aspect of religious institutions and having a spirituality that they, because they didn't want to go to hell, you know, they didn't. So they say, yeah, there's no money, but they exaggerated. They become too dogmatic about their materialism, but which he doesn't say to them because he wants to do. Be nice with him. He leaves me to be the bad guy. Get over the dogma of it's all matter, you know, because that's silly. And in Buddhism, the group that says it's all mind, but that's not the main group, the main group says matter and mind are a binary pair, you know, and they are the opposite of each other. And each one only has meaning because it's the opposite of the other one. And it isn't an absolute meaning out of some reference. Do you know what I'm saying? It's very sophisticated with language, in other words, in the high Indian and Tibetan philosophy. So anyway, the thing about the Tibetan Buddhism is it's not that scary. And what it is is it was nearest to India and when Buddhists got persecuted in India, sorry in the 10th, 11th, 12th century by outsiders coming in with other religions then, then just go over the past, you know, some of the awakened, some of the sit downs, as they call them, the adepts, you know, the mystics, the yogis. And they just went over the past and then they're up there and. Which they got used to the. They get you, you get a little stone with only 47% of the oxygen. If you don't get acute mountain disease, you get a little stone. And so they, they, they, and they felt so much that India had been the holy land, that they preserved the Indian stuff really well. And ironically, because of the Chinese invasion of Tibet, they have brought it back to India, not to convert the Indians to Buddhism, he's against that. But to help simulate the Indian psychology and spiritual science, which he thinks is the most important thing for the planet. And so he's, it's a wonderful thing he is making as his legacy. Now at 90, he's building a big university in the equivalent of Mecca for Buddhists, which is a place called Bodh Gaya, where the tree is, you know, where the Buddha sat. That's like their holy place, holiest place. There are other ones, a bunch of them, but that's the holiest one. But instead of building a big temple, Dalama Temple, he's building a university, you know, for learning, because he thinks that's what humans have to do now. Which I. I think is kind of cool. I'm very. I. I love the guy. I do. Although we argue. We totally argue. We do.
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Alex Ferrari
Let me ask you this question, and this is a question that I'd love to hear your point of view on.
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Robert Thurman
There is.
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Alex Ferrari
I always. One of my favorite topics to talk about is the time when we leave Jesus in the Bible and where we pick him up. And There's a. From third age, 12 or 13, and he shows up at 30. And apparently he. They never. That's one biggest problem I had with the Catholic Church. I always used to. Even as a kid, what happened? What was teenage Jesus like? You know, was he drinking? Was he going out? Did he cause trouble? Was he around? Like, what was he doing? And they never, like, oh, don't ask these kind of questions. From my studies, I've discovered that Jesus did leave and went to India, went to Egypt, and then also. And they also say he went to Tibet. I'd love to hear your point of view of what historical. As an academic, did you. Is there anything that you come across in regards to that?
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Robert Thurman
Oh, yeah. Well, you know, in a way, I don't. To me, it's not that important because I think of Jesus as human and divine. He is like. And so, you know, if I don't want to sort of act like we're trying to reduce Jesus's great achievement and awesome teaching to something he learned from Buddhists. I mean, I think that that's. But. But on the other hand, I think, put it this way, the richest place in Jesus's time and in Buddha's time, in Eurasia, is India. Always. You know, we always think India is a poor country, but the reason it's poor is the Brits extracted the wealth for 300 years and they built their railways to take it out of there. They, they. To them, it was the jewel in the crown of the British Empire because it is the richest part of Eurasia. The river valleys coming out of the Himalayas are the most fertile, fantastically. And so it always had a huge population. Many cities, city states. You know, it's 35 times larger than the Nile floodplain, the different floodplains in India. So it's supporting so many more people. So also the kings, therefore, were less oppressive of dropout, you know, yogis wanting to just really find out what it's all about and not wanting to serve in the military or even raise a family or whatever. So there were just more people doing that.
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Alex Ferrari
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [50:23]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. Wonderful. 20 million is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting Bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [50:59]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting for to take your call. 24 7, 365.
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Robert Thurman
Wow.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Robert Thurman
So if he in the the Persian empires were always made travel through the Middle east very possible from India to the Mediterranean. And that Jesus would go and would encounter some kind of spiritual science, I think is very doable. And there is a tradition that he went to Ladakh, that western part of Tibet, which is now politically in India, but part of it has been grabbed by China and Pakistan. But it's politically India traditionally. And there's a tomb of Issa there and so on. And actually, I have a funny story, quite enjoy of a friend of mine who's like a fashion photographer, a very, you know, worldly person, but he's spiritual, but, you know, it's a worldly together person. And his, he and his wife told me the story, which I was so amazed because he's not like what you think of as a, as a yogi. And when he was, they were on a honeymoon in Kashmir, but it was peaceful there. And he was fishing, which I don't know why he would do that on the moon, but he was from a big boulder and a stream there. And then he fell off and smashed his knee really badly, landed on his kneecap or something. I mean, it was really bad. And he was in total agony. And it swollen up like a, like a watermelon. And they had to cut his jeans and everything. And then, and then the, the, the tour guys said, oh, saab, we have someone who we can heal you, has the hands of Krishna, you know, he'll heal you right away. Don't bother with hospital and do all that. But he says, no thanks. Take me to hospital in Srinagar. So I went to the hospital and there was an Indian doctor there and a lady and she, she looked at it and then she came out with a giant syringe. She said, okay, I will insert this in the knee and pull out all the fluid. Then I'll put it in a cast and then you'll be to that cast for three months. And then after you take the cast off, you probably have to have a knee replacement. And it's a real. It's really a mess, you know, there's nothing we must do about it. So I think you should go with the porters and go to the guy with the hands of Krishna. So he and his wife said, well, hell, both the doctor and the porcelain. So he went and he came to this village. And then they said to him, first they didn't want to talk to him because it was a well scenario. And then they let him in. And then they said, well, we can do something, but, you know, it's really going to hurt and you're going to freak out. And the wife has to leave the village, you know, she has to go with a border somewhere where she won't hear screaming and whatever. You know what I mean? But we'll do it. But, you know, no, no. She said, I'm staying. He said, I'm staying. I can take it. So then. Then they. They, however, said about themselves, they had the hands of Allah. They didn't say Krishna, they said Allah. It's because, you know, the Hindu Muslims were getting along at that time. That's why it was peaceful. And so then they. She was there. She came. I'm the witness of this. Four strong eyes, Cake and talk to all his four limbs. They were Muslim, but they had alcohol. They had him drink a bunch of whiskey first local whiskey. So he was quite inebriated, but still in agony. And then he was so. And he passed out and this and that. They manipulated his leg and they did all this and whatever. The next morning, he wakes up, his leg looks normal. He gets up, he walks on my leg. He has a little cane, but he did his little ginger. But it's like a miracle, actually, of course. So then they. They asked him, what. What is this? Hands of Allah, hands of Krishna. Like, what is this? And they said, oh, we are. We are from the family of Issa. And he came with Mary and this and that. And they told the whole story, you know, like the apocryphal gospel type story, Mary Magdalene sort of tradition. And we inherited this. And we've had healers in this village unbroken since Isa. And he was there with his family, but he went back to the west before he passed away. He didn't pass away here. They rejected the. The place, supposedly his tomb is there. And they said, well, we're not really into that. He was here for many long period of time. But around after his 100, 110 years, he did go back to the west, they say. So they told him the whole story, in other words, that some people know. And he told me this story that this happened and he told him they did a miracle on his leg. Total miracle. Wow. So that's, you know, raising the dead, fixing the leg. You know, if that's the case, you know, I mean, I don't know, but I love the story. I really.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, but let me ask you from your point of view, Bob, because again I'm, I'm. This is one of my favorite topics to talk about is, you know, it's the filmmaker in me. This is a very fantastic story. It's the filmmaker. What do you think is happening when these miracles are occurring? Because it sounds again like a yogic or a, or a Yeshua thing. Where is, is it that the practitioners have been taught the code and they're able to tap into that to create these kind of miracles?
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Robert Thurman
Yes, yes. Well, here's the thing. Like there's a sutra, an exoteric sutra, that esoteric called the Flower Ornament Sutra in translation from, via Chinese into English, from Sanskrit, by my friend Thomas Cleary. And I have about 137 recordings of it. I read the whole thing when he passed away like two years ago because I, I admire it so much. Well, in that sutra they have a bodhisattva who's like an angel or like a savior figure called Samantha badra, which means Mr. Goody Goody, totally all around Goody Goody. And he has a special meditation that whenever he's doing anything, he visualizes or he can see that in every atom, like say he's praying like this, and every atom on his fingertip and his hands and his whole body and the chair is sitting in and the room he's in and the building and the planet. In every atom there's another identical universe, like multiple multiverse, you know. And in that universe he's also there doing the same thing. And in that universe, which is in every atom here, in every atom of that micro universe, there's another universe. Micro, micro universe. And then in every atom of that micro, micro universe, there's another one. And we are everywhere in that. So it's like, I call it the micro in infinite. So in other words, your mind becomes, your imagination becomes like a super electron microscope. And you go down through your imagination, if you have meditative, one pointed poise and you go down where you never go to nothing because there's no such thing. You never get there. And it's just filled with positive energy. Because you're doing the same good thing that you're doing. It's resonating like that. So that relates to the Book of the Dead stuff, which is the wrong title, but it's called Book of Natural Liberation by being in the between and, and in that when we pass away, when we get to that indestructible drop in the soul, which is the soul, what we do is our mind disidentifies from the coarse body where we're perceiving with the five senses. And it starts to get into. We become our own inner neuroscientific probe in our own central nervous system, which is brain and the whole body. And we have these different chakras, you know, they call wheels or flowers and different nexuses from the genital to the, to the crown of the brain, you know, and you get where you can maneuver in there and then it all opens up and then you have this super micro awareness like just like the Matrix, right? Neo sort of would see those little green things going down the screen code, right? And so you go down to the sub, subatomic, you get to the Higgs boson field, which by the way is not a little particle. They pretend it's a particle just to get more grants to smash more atoms, but it's actually a field because they never took a hold of a particle. They just, they study an explosion and they make an inference, but they actually never grabbed anything. It's the Higgs boson field. And so, but you get down to where your awareness is simultaneously like it's in a coarse body, but it's also at the micro level where every atom in you is aware. So the atom because. And it feels great and it loves the atom next to it. Monster, right? Connect to it and merge with it. And they all want to merge with each other. And so because of that, a being who has that openness can get to their micro awareness and then they can go into the atoms of the guy's knee and the cells and build up into molecules and cells and they can do stem cells with their own consciousness and they can reform that, that knee and the cartilage and the, and knit the bone and, etc, although, you know, it'll be tenuous at first and delicate and the person has to take it easy. And, and, and that's, that's the root of the miracle, in other words. So, so people wrongly think, you know, like when people get stoned, psychedelics introduces people to an awareness where they feel they are a field kind of, you know, and, and they look at a flower and they go berserk. And they see the whole universe in the flower. You know, like William Blake University grain of sand routine. You know, they. They can get there. So then they kind of tend stupidly to think, or not stupidly, but just naturally because it's a new thing. They think the main thing is to stay stoned. But that is not the thing. The thing is that's, that's the far range of what our sensitivity is capable of, where we, we can be in love from the fingertips, you know? But on the other hand, the goal is to cover the whole range simultaneously. That's what, that's what really awakening is.
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Alex Ferrari
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Umar Valderrama
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Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It is hot out there this summer, right? But don't sweat it. We got tons of ways to save on your family's favorite personal care items to keep yourself feeling cool and smelling good. Now through September 9th, earn four times points when you shop for items from your favorite brands like Right Guard Raw sugar Free, Dove Soft soap and Olay. Then use your points for discounts on groceries or gas on future purchases. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [62:44]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [62:47]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [62:48]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [62:52]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [62:58]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [63:07]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [63:19]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident in.
- [63:24]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [63:34]
Robert Thurman
Wow.
- [63:34]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [63:39]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [63:46]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [63:49]
Robert Thurman
And so that's why such people can be amazing healers, you know, and for example, a normal person who develops their own spiritual capabilities, they have natural clairvoyance, what they call divine eye, divine ear. They know what someone's saying 100,000 miles away. They can see what's happening in San Francisco, Texas, whatever. They can read everybody's mind. They can do telekinesis normally. And in fact, it's a warning for people on the spiritual path that when these things start happening and you become totally empowered and I can feel what someone else is thinking completely, you're like in their body almost. You feel. You don't get distracted by that and start just playing with that. Right. First, you want to get to where you really open to the whole matrix before you fuss with that. But then once you do, if you're going to be a spiritual guru, you have to be aware of what people really need. You have to be fully empathetic. And that's because you have this field awareness. You're like a living CAT scan. And then, of course, it's preposterous. What a fully awakened person, what they call Samyak, Sambuddha, totally, you know, integrated Buddha is, is you are empathetic with every. Every living thing. You know, you are the. You're one with the life force. They call it the clear light of the void, a kind of infinite goodness power. It's like I like to say, you know, they've discovered now dark matter and dark energy. I think this field might be the thing to link them because, of course, they want to capture the dark now, the dark thing. Meanwhile, it's dark and they can't see it. And they're telling us they're about to control all of reality. With their mathematics and their magic, with nonsense, just because they can make a bomb. That's it. That's not, that's nothing compared to the power of the universe. So. But what I'm saying is what it actually is is clear matter and clear energy. And that's all of it. And that's all of us. It's like instead of a nothingness field, which is what the materialists think they're living in, that's why they have no future life, you know, no soul, they say. But instead of a nothingness field, it's a field of infinite energy that we can tap in infinitely if we know about it, but in itself doesn't do anything. Because from its perspective, it's all already done. And in a way, the, the mystic in the theistic religion, I think that's the Dalai Lama, he had that insight. I'm only lately kind of more getting into it and I still, probably still, I don't really get it, but I can talk myself into it a little bit temporarily trying to explain something which is inexplicable. And, and I think why he said you can get fully enlightened the way Buddhists would define it, through Christ or through Muhammad or through Lao Tzu, whatever it is, if you go all the way with it, you encounter this infinite energy. And then infinite means. It's like Meister Eckhart, he said, the heart of God is a desert. It's not a person with a beard who speaks Hebrew or Arabic or Latin or Greek or something. It's a. It's a. It's a vast openness. It's. It's vastness. It's like you just melt into it. You never got to see it. In a way, I like to say enlightenment, awakening, the full one is the ultimate anti climax because you realize we've all been there forever, always, without ever leaving. We play with being like our separated self, connected to everyone else through love. And because that's nice, because we don't want, because we see it. Buddha would be breaking his vow as a Bodhisattva to save everybody. Save your vow, which is what a Bodhattva had, what Jesus had. I'm going to save all beings by giving myself like this. It's why Maharaj, you know, Ram Dass's guru, is why he used to weep when he would mention Jesus. Although he's a Hindu, you know, Hanuman, but he was to cry to the. All these Jewish guys, all these Hindus assembly. He would weep over Rabbi Jesus, you know, so, so that's the bonus of a vow. So he would abandon that if he just went to sort of paradise in the Matrix himself, rather than seeing that actually they're all already there too, and they're just confused about it. So they're, they're, they're stressing themselves out. So I will stay with them. I'll be back, you know, and just as Jesus said, it wasn't Arnold who said I'll be back. Jesus said, I'll be back, you know, and you. But he said, I'll be back in your generation. He said, he didn't say he'll BE Back in 20th century Texas, you know, for the Baptist, he didn't say that. And he's been with people all the time. Buddhists would see Jesus that's totally present still for those who believe in him. And I think it's great that they do. And His Holiness does, really does. And I finally, where I finally appreciated His Holiness, I was a little. Because, you know, I was a child, I was, I never quite believed it. So I don't consider that I left Christianity. I considered I was going to be a secular humanist, if anything, although I was taken to church here, there. But my parents were not super religious Presbyterians, you know, the Protestants are barely.
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Alex Ferrari
Just enough, just enough to get that into heaven.
- [69:14]
Robert Thurman
Just enough, Just enough make a claim on Jesus when they die, you know, that's about it. And meanwhile, what Jesus wants everybody to try to be like Jesus and be nice. Point is, I mean, he was trying to be nice to everybody, raise them from the dead, he healed them, he was friendly to them. And he wanted to show that the Romans, that they couldn't kill him so that they shouldn't be afraid of the Romans is actually what he really showed because they weren't unable to kill him. Actually, that's it. And love is more powerful, in other words, than, than, than, than murder, you know? No.
- [69:47]
Alex Ferrari
Well, absolutely. No. I wanted to ask you, I wanted to ask you because you obviously know His Holiness and the, the concept of the Dalai Lama, because there's been many Dalai Lamas over, over the centuries. Can you explain to people how a Dalai Lama is chosen? And when they're chosen? I know they're chosen as children. What kind of training does that child get to become the leader of, you know, of a religion or a philosophy around the world?
- [70:20]
Robert Thurman
Right. Well, he's supposed to be the incarnation of Avalokiteshvara. But the problem is, which makes it a little hard to explain to make it easy to explain. So in a way, what you could say he's the real, he's, he's, he's, he's the Buddhist Jesus, you know, Kuan Yin in Chinese or Rabbalakadeshwaran. Sounds good Chandra Singh in Tibetan So here's the idea that Buddha loves everybody and always stays with them and love. But the Buddhists had this idea, they call it Nirmana kaya, the body of emanation. And so the idea is it's not just healing and being enclosed in one course of body, one ordinary body with five senses like a humanoid body. It's you. Apparently if you become a Buddha you can have infinite number of bodies so you can manifest as many bodies as beings need on every planet. Also the Buddhists were totally Mahayana Buddhas were totally noticing there were beings coming from other planets and they didn't have ships, they didn't need ships. They came with mind travel just like Neo could do, you know, like knowing the code, which the code is and there, there are countless humanoid planets, countless divine heavens, countless angelic places. They're also unfortunately hells here and there, but temporary. And they're pretty much self inflicted by people who get really nasty and they become dictators or something and start killing people madly, you know and they really get really frightened of everybody because they were killing everybody. So they become really closed up, you know and then they torture them. But, but, but they're not. Nobody puts anybody there and nobody stays there forever. That's what. But yet they do have the idea of can be very, very negative state of being you can make for yourself by being happy. But anyway, so that's what it is. But on the other hand there are other ones too. There are other llamas who are supposedly also emanation of Avalokiteshvara. And then there's these female Jesuses called Taras. Tara means savior S Female 1, the Tara T A R A and there's many of them. And so it's like in one way it's not so special but in one way in the Tibetan culture in particular, they got really special about it because it seemed like he just kept coming and they kept inviting as the culture. And then they saw their past emperors who did the top down importation of Buddhism first phase of it they saw them as emanations of Babalokadeshvara and they, and so they saw themselves being kind of saved by Jesus. But then of course their Jesus tells them just like our Jesus does too. You know, the Western one is that if you're really nasty, I can't help you. You know, Jesus said, get dig on, ye evildoer, if you come to me and say you did great deeds of power and your name, O Lord. He says that right after the. In Matthew, right after the Beatitudes. He says, I'm not. I know ye not. You know, you didn't do what I told you, didn't follow my beatitudes and give them your shirt. You know, you even try to take away their Social Security. So. So Jesus. No, the. The good God always tells people, God helps those who help themselves. Or. And Jesus says, God, I help those who help others. And that's. That's abolished for the same as that.
- [73:39]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [73:42]
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- [74:28]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It is hot out there this summer, right? But don't sweat it. We got tons of ways to save on your family's favorite personal care items to keep yourself feeling cool and smelling good. Now through September 9th, earn four times points when you shop for items from your favorite brands like Right Guard raw sugar, Dove Soft soap, and Olay. Then use your points for discounts on groceries or gas on future purchases. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [75:01]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [75:04]
Robert Thurman
Hey.
- [75:05]
Dan Morgan
How's it going today?
- [75:06]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [75:09]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [75:15]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [75:24]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [75:36]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?
- [75:41]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [75:51]
Robert Thurman
Wow.
- [75:51]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [75:56]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [76:03]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [76:06]
Robert Thurman
So. So that's what a Dalai Lama is. And he, but he's not the only one. There are some other ones, but he sort of becomes the main one within the Tibetan culture because it's kind of the ratification that there Jesus keeps coming and keeps staying with them. It's sort of. And then the culture became like where everybody, a lot of these reincarnations were happening. And it got to be in socially where you couldn't run for sheriff unless you proved you'd already been doing good for people for five lifetimes. And the way it was, the way you were recognized was there would be signs at the time of your birth, like extraordinary portents sort of type of thing, omens. And then, and your parents would often have dreams and amazing things or something. Spring would spout whipped cream or something, you know, stuff like that. And then, and then you would have a real bright thing about you right away. And you'd be a little like Mozart or something, like a kind of bit of a prodigy. But and then they would come at some point and they would give you a bunch of tests like where you'd have your hairbrush. They come to me, show you a hairbrush. And then there'd be five other better, nicer hair brushes and you're all rotten hairbrush. You'd have to pick the one that you used to use, you know, or some ritual symbol, you know, the bell, the bell that you used to have. And then some much more beautiful golden one. And then, and then you had to pick the right one. So they would do tests like that. And they would go to psychics, you know, and then they had oracles. And then they had a special oracle lake where you would go and you would see something in the lake, like the house of the person where they were born or some Andrea or some deity would speak to Other. I mean, they were really a lot.
- [77:45]
Alex Ferrari
It seems like a lot.
- [77:46]
Robert Thurman
So then you would cross reference all of that, you know. So in other words, it's like if in our culture, right, in our culture we have the materialists. We're like, they're going to figure it all out with their microscopes and telescopes and the whole thing. And where they've come is where 98% of the universe or 95, they haven't seen it yet. They're just getting started all over again. But anyway. And then the other side, the psychics, though, that's all. We don't believe all that. And that's ridiculous. No, that culture, they have all of that, you know, they very hardcore rigorous reasoning and investigation of the mind and so forth without needing machines much. And then although they do have prayer machines and then they have complete psychic and they have oracle possession.
- [78:33]
Alex Ferrari
So that.
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Robert Thurman
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
So then in Buddhism there is. They believe in psychic mediums. And they believe. So they believe in psychic mediums, oracles, channelers, those kind of things are. See, that's fascinating. I didn't know that. I had no idea that, in fact. Because that's heresy.
- [78:52]
Robert Thurman
That's heresy for one big fan of yours. I also like it when I have time to watch. And she's a huge fan. And she was like, oh, Bob. I mean, and not. She doesn't call me Bob Tenzin or whatever. You. You really going on, Alice, I don't see. Oh, you. I don't know. Alex likes psychics and channelers and, you know, I don't know, you know, and I'm telling her, listen, I have visions, I've channeled, you know, Dalai Lama tried to recruit me as his oracle ones, but he was teasing me, you know, because I got out of it. He actually once grabbed me by the shoulders when I was complaining why he wasn't replacing a particular oracle that I used to know who passed away. And it was a gap of a few years before the new one came up. That's the state oracle. And that's such a foreign institution. Imagine the chaplain of the House of Congress, if that was a possession medium. And he would be medium for spirit of Crazy Horse or something. And he would. When they would convene at the House of, you know, State of the Union sort of thing, both houses, he would stalk up and down the aisles with a bow and an arrow. But Simba, he wouldn't shoot anybody, but he would finger anybody, betraying the Constitution. You know, the medium, you know, like an angel and even the deity that he's channeling. They have this context that, that's called pehar. But that deity is too powerful. No human can channel him. So do you channel his minister, his head angel who's called Dodgy Dakden. And then he goes a little guy, you know, a little slight guy, not, you know, pencil neck type of little guy. A little monk who prayers. He puts on an £80 helmet and all this stuff and he pushes his head around like this when he's possessed and his face bulges and he turns like this. He spits at you, throws things and he's giving me a lot of spit, you know. And so I, I like the guy. So Dalai Lama teased me and, and I've had a few visions like that. So I felt I was capable and I thought be really great to bring up the song. I have told some Buddhists that Dalai Lama agrees with me that we can use the word soul in Buddhism. The no soul is not a dogma. It just means that your soul is also a live thing. And it's super subtle and it's like a micro, micro you. And it doesn't necessarily have your limbs and things like that and it can move into all kinds of different embodiments but you have a continuum like that and it's always changing that. What. When he said there's no self, he meant that you're not a rigidly fixed absolute barcode that that is somehow involved in relations but you're not a relative. Do you know what I mean? You're absolute fixed thing. You know, like that frozen thing. That. That's what he. That's what the. No. No self, no soul even. No nose, no ear, no eye, no. When they were negating things. The Buddha is going to negating to liberate us from our language habit of thinking. If we have a word, it's got to be something and that fits exactly on the thing. And the word comes from the thing, which is what makes the modern people think that nothing is something. Where the place they're going to go and have a long anesthetized sleep, which is bs. They're going to be alive the minute they die. In fact we have often, you know, they'll be like, like, like Neo, where he could have many bodies and even the bad guy had many bodies, remember?
- [82:20]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, of course he can multiply himself a billion times. It's essentially he was trying to take over the world by exactly cloning himself to infinity.
- [82:29]
Robert Thurman
Exactly.
- [82:29]
Alex Ferrari
And it was to fight.
- [82:31]
Robert Thurman
That's what I love about the Wachowskis and The Matrix is that. Remember he finally, he gave that punch to Neo and then all of the Neo duplicates became him and he was like getting pretty like the Cheshire cat. Our hearts, all me. And then suddenly they all changed into Neo and he changed into Neo, remember?
- [82:54]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, exactly.
- [82:55]
Robert Thurman
No, it's, it's so that's more powerful than the bad and that's what we need in our culture. You know, it's not the Catholics, but it's the Romans. You know, it's convincing you with all of us that the bad guy, the mean emperor, the dictator, yeah, it's more powerful than poor Jesus. It's a subliminal message. Of course. We say, oh yeah, God is greater, but our fear is. And then they even make us scared of God if we don't say the right mantra. Ping us some place forever. I mean, come on.
- [83:35]
Alex Ferrari
I mean, when I read the Old Testament, I'm like, wow, this guy is really insecure. He's angry, he's insecure, he's an egomaniac. You must bow to me. I'm like, this doesn't seem like the God I want to follow it. It didn't make any sense. Bob, let me ask you this.
- [83:51]
Robert Thurman
Oh good. I really got to like Yahweh. I don't know, I might just, just to, just to tease his Holiness. I want to convert maybe to Judaism. I really like it. I think rabbi they should ever call the Christian should realize, give God at least a little credit for being smart. If he wanted him to be so anti Semitic, why would he put his only son to be Jewish?
- [84:15]
Alex Ferrari
Well, there's that people forget that people forget that he was a Jew. I mean they always did because that's.
- [84:23]
Robert Thurman
What Constantine did, that he wanted to scapegoat the Jews instead of taking responsibility for Pilate being for the Roman, working for the Roman. You know, Constantine and Mel Gibson want to blame the. Rather than taking responsibility for Rome.
- [84:42]
Alex Ferrari
No, let me ask you this because this is a concept that I've come across by interviewing and having conversations with hundreds of a lot of near death experiencers, psychics, mediums, channels, this concept and even spiritual gurus, yogis I've spoken to all go through this concept that I'm about to tell you and I'd love to hear your thought about it. From a Tibetan, a Buddhist point of view. There are no past lives, there are no future lives. All lives are happening at the same time. And all lives ripple towards. If you do something in this one, it ripples. Quote, unquote, forward, quote unquote back. And it's. There's like a, an oversoul, if you will, which is the main soul. And he just little drops. Every lifetime is a little drop. And we're experiencing them all at the same time. And I was explained this by a channel which I thought was amazing conversation. I go, well, that's hard for my, my little head to my little. The hardware we have is very limited our brain to grasp these concepts. But I said that. He said to me, well, imagine you're watching a show on television. You're watching Friends.
- [85:47]
Robert Thurman
Okay.
- [85:47]
Alex Ferrari
You're watching Friends.
- [85:48]
Robert Thurman
Yeah.
- [85:49]
Alex Ferrari
While you're watching that episode of Friends, there's a thousand other shows playing at the exact same same time as you're watching your episode of Friends. So it doesn't negate the other shows that they do exist. You're just not privy to them at this moment because you've chosen to focus on this show at the time. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on this idea. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [86:14]
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- [87:00]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Feel good and look good this summer with savings on your personal care favorites and earn four times points now through September 9th. Shop in store or online for items like Dollar Shave Club razors, hydro silk razors and Edge shave gel. Plus some favorite brands like Tampax, Pearl, Depend and Poise to earn four times points to use for discounts on groceries or gas. Hurry in before these deals are gone. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [87:33]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [87:36]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [87:37]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [87:40]
Dan Morgan
I'M Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [87:47]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [87:55]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [88:08]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What, what would I do if I got into an actual accident?
- [88:13]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [88:23]
Robert Thurman
Wow.
- [88:23]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [88:28]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [88:35]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [88:38]
Robert Thurman
I think that's a beautiful thing. And actually what you're expressing is the Buddha perspective. Actually, that is the enlightened perspective. One of the names of Buddha is triad vadnya, which means who knows the three times past, present, future. Which means that when you become a Buddha, you are everywhere in your path and you are everywhere in your own and everyone else's future, actually limitlessly, not just even on this planet. And this is taught in sort of exoteric Buddhism. I mean, the name is known that the Buddha knows everything in past, present, future. But in the story of the Buddha, you know, even the most simple grade school level story, you know, like child, children's version, is when just before Buddha changed perfect nirvana or sort of simultaneous at perfect nirvana, he remembers infinite past lives of himself. So in other words, he realizes he was every kind of being imaginable already infinite times, because beginning less, you know, you can't say. And then he sees everybody else also was, but they don't know it and he didn't know it. And then he sees that he was in every conceivable relationship with everybody in the past, both good and bad. But then why not worry about the bad one? So. And then he sees all the different future possibilities of everybody, so then he sticks with them to help them get to where they also know that. That. So that's the same thing. But in a way what you could say is that is exactly what you said. And that's a Buddha perspective. But the way you reach that perspective from both point of view is through analytic investigation, like a scientist, but combined with a meditative focus. So you can really drill through everything and drill down, like Bill Gates says, you know, and, and what happens is where is the present? For example, obviously there's no present because the duration of the exact present cannot be. Everything is just a little past, a little future. It's like the idea of a line. Geometrically, if you draw a line, it's a narrow triangle, I mean a narrow rectangle, right? So the exact line XY line has no width, so you're never on the line. Actually the exact point XYZ has no size. The dot is a small sphere or a small globe, right? If it's three dimension. So when you analyze and get down to where there's no point, the point, the exact point is where there's no point. It's just past running into future. Do you follow? So then that means in a way there's no past. So the past is also totally there and there's also no future because future is all, it's all seeds are right here. I told Eckhart Tolle, who I love, who's a wonderful guy and a great teacher, I think, and I told him, I said, you know Americans, when you keep teaching about now, that's good. But you really have to tell them that that now contains all their future and all their past. So it's not that it's not nothing now. In other words, they might interpret otherwise with their nihilistic thing from materialism that disconnect themselves from everything. But instead of disconnecting in the real now, the really powerful now is where you're connected to everything. From that now, your now is everywhere. Like just like what Alex Ferrari is going to tell me in the future. That's really great.
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Alex Ferrari
That is, that is.
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Robert Thurman
So that's really true. Because this in there and therefore whatever, even karma, which is the most dear thing to Buddha because it means it's actually a biological theory of ethics. It's an ethical Darwinianism Karma. It's not just woo woo, it's a, it's a real biological theory, scientific theory, which includes all the woo and woo woo is involved in being born and reborn and how you're born and reborn. But, but that's very different. But even that, in other words, all descriptions of relative processes are not absolute dogmas. And since the absolute is the relative, it's the infinite relative. Therefore any theory is only relationally valid in a specific context and there's no final dogmas. And we have to go beyond all dogmas who really experience and really be here everywhere. So I used to tease Ramdas here, now there's no here, there's no now. I knew him when he was Richard Alpert. He was having real problem because some Buddhists were telling him he, he's a Hindu. He was saying, I'm a Hindu. He didn't say I'm a Hindu, but he actually was a Hindu. From Dalai Lama's point of view, you don't ever leave grandma's thing. Anyway, he said, I'm a Hindu and I have a soul and I want to go be with the one. And my Buddhist friend tell me, you can't have a soul, what shall I do? Someone told Mark Epstein, told me, you could help me, Bob. So I said to him, well, I can't really help you. Rambo says, I, you're more like than me, you're a saint and I'm just whatever. But you know, who can help you? I know one yogi who can help you. He says, who's that? I said, yogi Berra. He said, what? Yogi Berra. I said, yes. Well, what did yogi say? I said, yogi said, when you come to a fork in the road, take it. He loved that. He loved it. He went around going, I'm with the yogi.
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Alex Ferrari
He goes, listen, Yogi Berra was a modern day yogi. There's no question in my mind that the wisdom that that man threw out is remarkable. Bob, I'm going to ask you a few questions, ask all my guests these kind of rapid fire questions. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
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Robert Thurman
Living a fulfilled life is living happily and hopefully with trust in the good, in the power of the good. At whatever stage you're able to understand it, but with faith in the power of the good, however you define it, therefore, not giving into fear of the bad, overwhelming the good, that to me is definition of meaningful. Actually, Dalai Lama really said it better than I can. So simply, Piers Morgan asked him on an interview you can find on YouTube, very short one. And not the whole interview, just that he says, oh, I've always wanted to ask you, what's the meaning of life? So Dalai Lama looked like, what? Don't you know that he says life is happiness? He said, joyfulness. And Piers Morgan like, wow, come on. And then he says, yes. He said, reason. The future is a mystery. How's it going to be? So in the present you have hope it will be something better. And that hope in the present makes you Happy and then you carry on. If you get despaired, then it's all terrible. So that's the meaning of life. So I really, I thought that was Bible. It gets associated with happiness, with hope and with not being despaired. That with the trust that the better, you can make it better in the future or someone will you, will someone else. Jesus will, Buddha will you will visions and Buddha tell you you have to chip in. That's basically his key thing.
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Alex Ferrari
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Now if you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Bob, what advice would you give him?
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Robert Thurman
I would tell him, don't give in to losing your temper and don't ever go nuts with a temper tantrum. And be honest, you know, when you really blow up, it's half theatrical, you know that. And be honest with yourself. You use it to, to like save yourself, frighten somebody. But it's always harmful to you and to the other. The long run might temporarily scare somebody away, but it's a bad, you know, I, I, I got that from my little bit of abuse I had as a child. Someone more powerful than me who used to beat me up and then I used to escalate emotionally to sort of scare them off, stuck in that habit. So if I had, if I would have listened to myself, I would have said don't ever do that. Just, you know, run away or do what you can. But that, that's just absolutely useless. Losing your temper. I had a really hot temper. I got into phase and made people unhappy and myself unhappy and probably spoiled my circulatory system to some extent. Cortisol.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, I, I also had a little bit of a temper when I was a younger man too. And to be, and to be fair, my daughters know how to get it out of me really quickly. I don't know if your kids get out of you, but my kids get out of me like that.
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Robert Thurman
It's amazing.
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Alex Ferrari
They know what button to push, when to push it. It's amazing.
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Robert Thurman
Although I was a little bit past it with my, with my later kids by that time I was a little past it. Although they might say, well, I was still pretty frightening and so stuff because I could still be loud. But I actually never really lost with.
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Alex Ferrari
Them and I don't lose it, of course, but I, they know how to get me angry.
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Robert Thurman
Yes.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh yeah, absolutely. Now what is your definition of God or source? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Robert Thurman
Okay.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Robert Thurman
Hey.
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Dan Morgan
How's it going today?
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan?
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Ryan Seacrest
What?
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Robert Thurman
Wow.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [100:45]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you you.
- [100:52]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Robert Thurman
God well, my definition of God is there. I really like what the God Brahma told Buddha. And I really like the Jewish name of God, which they purposely made unpronounceable. Y, H, W, H, which my mystic Hasidic friend tells me the H means you're inhaling and exhaling. The Y and the W are inhale. I forget which is which. I think maybe W is exhale, the Y is inhale, you know, which are semi vowels, right? That's E and U, you know, the letter I and U, you know, so Y and then the two H's are your breath. So that means. That's what I love about that too, is that means that it's an awareness that God is not separate from you. The Protestant thing is crazy. Thing of God is absolutely other, because God is absolute. Well, he makes the relative world without relating to it. I mean, that's, that's crazy, you know, that's, that's, that's mentally crippling if you're forced to believe some blind faith thing. Reasonable faith is the goodness of life and the universe. And so my definition of God is infinite energy of goodness as what it's all what it all is. So I commit the pantheistic heresy according to Protestant, what they Protestants would call. And I think most Asian religions do, and most Western mystical religions do. Which is why the mystical aspects of all religions, I think, do feel that because they all, the mystic feels one with God, you know, the Sufi, the Hasidic, and. And so that means that God is not separate. In fact, God is the enabler of all life. In fact, is the life force. You know, I would say so that's my definition is that unpronounceable thing which is inconceivable. And yet it's us. It's love. Beautiful.
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Alex Ferrari
Now, what is love?
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Robert Thurman
Love. And love is, I think, what happens to intelligence when it surrenders to that clear light, bliss. So love is bliss, overflowing, because infinite, infinite energy is bliss. That is bliss. And yet if you, when you realize that in a body that is not capable of absorbing infinite bliss, because it would feel like it becomes like the sky or something. Because you're not yet a being that can make many bodies that are all simultaneously like the sky, then that bliss then naturally overflows. And it. Because it just wants others to feel that and it. And, and it resonates and. And then the key is this. It's sensitive though, to others because it knows that another who's scared of the other because they still are stuck on thinking I'M something separate from everything. When they feel flooded with an energy, they're going to resist it. They're going to pit their soul connection to the infinite energy of all gods and all God and all love against the flood of love and bliss. And therefore they're going to experience this as if it's an intrusion. And they're going to like contract into practically a hellish resistance. So this is why the idea of omnipotence, of that of an active omnipotence that imposes itself on even of a delicate, fragile thing is. Is very negative. You know, it's kind of. It's like. It's. It's not good. So. So that flood of love accepts the resistance and then becomes like a movie producer, a creative artist. It becomes an art, you know, compassion. It really is really art. Because the only way that the snail is going to come out of its shell and expose its soft parts that can then feel pleasure and bliss of connecting to the softness of infinite quiet universe is if something amuses it. And it's just overwhelmingly attractive and seductive. And it's so beautiful. And I want it and I. And I want to embrace it. And that's the only thing. So then they become artists, you know, like the. The name of the. Of the sutra that is considered a sort of semi autobiography of the Siddhartha, the prince who became the Shakya. It's called Lalita Vistara. And Lalita is from Lila, which means to play. And it can also mean a theatrical play, Lalita. So it's like the greatest show on earth, you know, Vistara means expansive or magnificent. So the magnificent play is what it's called. Magnificent show. And so, so that's a. That's. It's an art. It's the art of. I forgot what. The west, some sort.
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Alex Ferrari
What is love?
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Robert Thurman
Yeah, that's love. So love is art, actually. Of course. How to make the other. It's, it's, it's. It's simply defined. It's, It's. It's the happiness. It's the will to the happiness of the beloved. It's beautiful. It has no greed, is. No. It doesn't require requital. You know what I mean? It's just that they behave. They're so beautiful and so wonderful sort of thing.
- [106:31]
Alex Ferrari
And finally, what does world peace look like to you?
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Robert Thurman
World. His Holiness says world peace through inner peace, I think. And you know, I. There's a guy I love. I don't know if you've ever podcasted him. He's sort of not so visible nowadays. I don't know. I think he's still alive. Lives in Seattle. His name is David Spangler.
- [106:50]
Alex Ferrari
I've heard of him, but I didn't have him on the show.
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Robert Thurman
But he, when he was younger, he has an amazing story where he was raised to be one of those TV like evangelists. His uncle was one, I think his father was one. And he was like a young Krishnamurti Christian, Krishnamurti at that, like 11, 12 or 13 or something. But then around that time, around purity, he was in a lecture by his uncle in a church on Sunday where the uncles was doing the whole rapture thing and every non Christian was getting thrown in hell and all this kind of thing. And he, you know, held up his hand. Apparently he told me the story. I forget, I'm not sure my will be 100 accurate. But basically he held up his hand and he said he protested to the uncle. I don't like that. I don't believe God is going to be so mean to so many people. I don't believe that that's wrong. Jesus wouldn't do that. I don't agree with Go. So then the uncle was in rhetorical heat, right? So then the uncle says, who's going to stop him? Is it going to be you? You know, he's putting his nephew in his place, you know, and so then he claims, he, he told me in the story, he said yes, 12 year old. And then later he was at Findhorn, remember in the 60s, the place in Scotland that used to grow the giant cabbages and it was all like bait. And he channeled that new Age, Birth of a New Age book, which was supposedly from John, he's channeling John. And they thought at the time, and I think probably it was John of Patmos, I actually think he was correcting misinterpretations of Revelation. And what he said was that Revelation has already happened. In other words, the second coming is on. It's happening. And you already, if you choose love, you stand on a filament of light. Like in the AWA movie, you know, the James Cameron movie, you know, Avatar.
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Alex Ferrari
Avatar, yeah.
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Robert Thurman
Filament of light. If you choose love now and you stand on that filament of light, you're happy and you're love and they might kill you, but you're happy. And then you'll be reborn happy because it's already fine. If you stay with terror, you won't see that filament of light and you'll see darkness coming at you from every side. You'll fight like hell, you know, and you'll fight like hell to save yourself. And, you know, you'll be ruthless with other people and you'll kind of live in hell. You'll make hell for yourself and others around you. So that he dedicated his life to that. And I got so in love with David Spangler because we have a prophecy in actually Indian Tantra, Indian Esoteric Buddhism, but also and actually indirectly in Hinduism Too, about the 10th avatar of Vishnu called the wheel of Time. Time Kalachakra it's called. And that's the initiation. Dalai Lama used to give all mass all over the world 34 times, which is unusual, unknown in Tibetan history. It's like once in a lifetime a great lama will do that initiation. But he did it 34 times because of the world situation. And they predict this kind of new age type of like a little bit like Armageddon thing 400 years from now.
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Alex Ferrari
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- [111:33]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [111:36]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [111:37]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [111:41]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and A managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest. And that's pretty awesome.
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Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [111:55]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [112:08]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [112:13]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365.
- [112:23]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Wow. Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [112:28]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [112:35]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Robert Thurman
And I'm very devoted and I love the text and blah blah blah. And they have astrologers who agree with that and they say that's what the astrology said. They have their own astrology system. Very good one. But I kept saying I don't agree with that. I'm not agreeing with that. I'm a child of the 60s. Next week the planet cannot take this oil industry. And that was before even the oil industry knew about the climate as widely as we do. And of course that we did at that time very much be aware of the nuclear potential, nuclear holocaust potential, which is the other one, the hatred one and the greed one, you know, Those are the two planet destroying things. The planet can't take it for 400 more years. I, I used to argue with the llamas and they would be down but one llama of mine, he agreed with me actually he went against the text, you know, and I did. And so David and I really met with that, you know, so, so I think that the Kalachakra is here, that the new, that Jesus is here, that Muhammad is here in a good way, not the nasty, you have to be a Muslim, but a good way like God is love. And God is beyond any version of anything he said to one nation in one language or another language. That force of goodness is more Allah Rahman, you know, the compassionate one, you know, and because that tradition has lasted in spite of all the conquering that went on by the conqueror. And so that's my definition of world peace is be in love with the world and be an artist. Life and be kind to people around you. And that is world peace. And the dictators, you know, are doing a lot of damage right now. You know, Slavo Ukrainia I'm completely for them, actually. Netans didn't have. There's a Buddhist ethic about defending yourself where nonviolence means if someone's genocidally invading and you have the power to stop them, do so, you know, because otherwise they'll get you do even more evil of killing all of you. If they conquer you don't have the power. You should surrender nonviolently and let them because then at least they, you won't have killed them on their way in and, you know, you'll have to be happy and then maybe that'll get them to calm down. But it had. Chinese are 70 years in Tibet, still doing genocide there now. They haven't stopped, but they will, they will, they will. Not even we. We have Native American people are still here, and we're starting to honor them a little bit finally. One of them is Secretary of Interior, you know, and, and you know, they, they will help us restore this and that desert and this and that polluted place and this and that. They're really great. I know one Stanford graduate, environmental lady from Ojibwe, I think Chippewa. And she says when the deep ecologists say that Planet Earth, Mother Earth, will not miss the humans messing it up, they're wrong. They might not miss the industrial greedy people, but we native people, they'll miss us because we take care of her and we worship her. We love her, you know, and they're learning to do. We're teaching them to do that. So, So I think world peace means be happy ourselves. And I even have a slogan I put in my, in my earlier book, why the Dilemma Matters, I put a slogan there, which is it is our duty to be so happy, channel so much happiness that even if they kill us, we'll die happy. That's a sure fire turns off a standing ovation. Believe me, when you say that in a speech, people are about to go, yay. Whoops. But then if they read the book of the Dead and really get it, there's no dead. You know, death is where you. It's a bigger life force. And if you're cool and loving in it, you can't help but get an even better neighborhood, better mom, better dad, better body.
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Alex Ferrari
Bob, where can people find out more about you? Your book, your new book and all the other works that you've done over.
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Robert Thurman
The years and wisdom Is bliss. I. I would say this is my latest hay house wisdom is bliss. This is so much fun. It really has all kind of main points. I think that where I am so far but you know. And actually I am now doing an online reading of it a commentary it's quite dense so I'm, I'm. I'm pathetic of someone trying to read it. I'm just. And. But it's really worthwhile and this one I want to recommend my bestseller more than a million companies in 20 languages but very slowly. So it didn't quite get a New York times but since 1980s and my translator Book of the Dead where I put the real title underneath they wouldn't let me put it the the book of liberation through understanding in the Between State. That's the actual name.
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Alex Ferrari
I mean it's a little wordy. It's a little wordy but I understand why the publisher didn't let you put it on.
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Robert Thurman
It's so famous. But the point is the key thing about it is there's no dead. Nobody stays dead. Although this is where Helmut Newton, you know, I mean Michael Newton, you know him, I bet I don't know.
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Alex Ferrari
Yes, I know.
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Robert Thurman
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Well you know his Rick Rich Martini, you must know in Cal. In Los Angeles. Never had him online with you.
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Alex Ferrari
Never had him on. Never had him on.
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Robert Thurman
You're gonna have a fun talk with Rich Martini someday I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you an email, introduce you you really like. He'll love you and anyway that's Michael Newton was a psychiatrist who regression and then he got you got many people saying what happened in between past lives and then he put together a composite of a kind of, you know, Harry Potter whatever the name of that. That Hogwarts, Hogwarts in the sky where you go when you die and then you meet your soul mates and then you come back and blah blah, blah. It's really fun. And, and the Ben thing allows that because the more, the more awakened you are, the more enlightened you are. You're too big as a field as a being to just fit into one body so you can have a new life. Like if one of your relatives, they passed away, they may be already on their way in a new great life and yet you still can talk to them because they are more than just one fitting in one body. They're not yet infinite necessarily but they can be still helping their successors, you know, their relatives and the twins don't unfortunately mention that exactly way except because they think you have to be a Buddha to do that, but I think that's possible. I like my. My wife keeps me introducing me to new things that I. That don't fit into any doctrine in their idea, but they're really great. She's my, my guru of the day, of the decade, five decades, six decades. She's my second.
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Alex Ferrari
As mine is as well, my friend. As mine is as well. Bob, it's been such a pleasure, my friend, it's been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you. Thank you so much for, not only for this conversation, but for all the work you've done over the decades to help enlighten and waken the world. So I appreciate you, my friend.
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Robert Thurman
I'm very honored to be with you. And I was. And I'm happy to tell my wife. Well, I didn't channel, but Alex still had fun and so we had a good time. I did have a channel. I have channel, I have Oracle. But I just wanted. On that line, I just want to say for. In the Alex Ferrari context, I had a vision once that there will be no nuclear war. It was very powerful and I completely trust it. I do. And I don't want to. We don't have time to go into that in detail, but I would, and.
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Alex Ferrari
I would, I would agree with you because that is what has been told to me as well. There are guardrails. There are guardrails put on humanity because we as, as a consciousness, have chosen to go in one direction. We could have chosen to go that way, but we decided as a, as a, as a species, as a consciousness, to go towards the light, to go towards the enlightened path. And that's why conversations like this are happening now. Because I imagine when you were around in the 60s, they weren't talking about sexes and channelers and, and this kind of stuff. Not publicly.
- [120:57]
Robert Thurman
Yes.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. So. So now there is a lot more interest in this kind of stuff. So.
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Robert Thurman
So, my friend, work for encouraging people to trust, you know, trust life.
- [121:06]
Alex Ferrari
I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you again.
- [121:08]
Robert Thurman
Thank you, Alex. Thank you so much. Good luck to you and your kids and your family and everyone. May they all be really happy. World peace. Let's enjoy world peace together.
- [121:18]
Alex Ferrari
I want to thank Robert so much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to the show notes at next levelsoul.com forward/445. And if you like this content and want to go deeper down the spiritual rabbit hole. Just head over to next LevelSoul TV and we have movies, series, original shows, live events, and of course all of Next Level Soul. Completely ad free. Again, just head over to NextLevelSoul TV available on Apple, Roku, Amazon Fire, Android and iOS and Android phones. And if you've only been listening to these episodes and want to watch these amazing conversations, head over to our YouTube channel at nextlevelsoul.com forward/YouTube. Thank you so much for listening and as I always say, trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.
- [122:20]
Honey German
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- [123:06]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [123:39]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [123:42]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today day?
- [123:43]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [123:46]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [123:53]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [124:01]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 2223 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [124:13]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What what would I do if I got into an accident?
- [124:19]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.
- [124:29]
Podcast Host (Dan Morgan Interview)
Dan Morgan from Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [124:33]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an all office near you.
- [124:37]
Ryan Seacrest
Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It is hot out there this summer, right? But don't sweat it. We got tons of ways to save on your family's favorite personal care items to keep yourself feeling cool and smelling good. Now through September 9th, earn four times points when you shop for items from your favorite brands like Right Guard Raw Sugar, Dove Soft Soap and Olay. Then use your points for discounts on groceries or gas on future purchases. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.
- [125:08]
Dan Morgan
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