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Man DIES in Surgery; Shown SHOCKING Truth of Other DIMENSIONS & PLANETS (Insane NDE) with Mark Hodges
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BONUS MONDAYS: Today on the show we have near death experiencer Mark Hodges and Mark's near death experience is unlike any other that we've had on the show because he once he died was shown the multiverse and the truth of all other realities it's...
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Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists, and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion, A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your next level soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv, our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions or of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome to the show Mark Hodges. How you doing, Mark?
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B
Oh, I'm doing perfect, thanks, Alex. I'm honored to be on your show. Thanks for inviting me. And I've been looking forward to this interview for quite some time.
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A
I appreciate that. Yeah, it does take a couple minutes to get onto the show nowadays, but I do appreciate you coming on, man. And I'm looking forward to talking about your unique experiences that you've had in your life and sharing them with the audience. My first question is, what was your life like before you had your near death experience?
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I had a military career before my professional career in civilian life. I was in the air. I was in the Air Force, but I worked for the nsa. They would call my job. Now nowadays they would say I'm. Or my job was a. What's now called an intelligence analyst. But back then we didn't call it that. But that was really who I worked for was NSA and the Defense Intelligence Agency. It was run by the army, by the way. And then I did that for four tours of duty, did the whole Pacific Rim. And you could say I was involved in communications technologies, anything having to do with electromagnetic waves, which really primed me to understand all the paranormal stuff that was happening and would happen in My life from there on. It's very important concept to know is how all these waves are moving all through the universe and all around us. We could get into ley lines and all that stuff. But it's, it's really. I realized that I had been groomed my whole life to understand that part of all this so I could put the pieces together to tell you, tell you all how I see things, how they work in the universe, at least some of it. Still have questions on how a lot of it works, but were you, were
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A
you spiritual before the near death experience?
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B
I guess you could say not religious. My. Okay, so. So after I got out of the Air Force, I became a software development manager for a major bank and retired in 2014. Really not by choice. I just became really sick in 2008 and somehow managed to survive retirement until I, I was had enough vested time in the company. I was able to not work anymore at that time. But as far as religion goes. So it's funny you mentioned that because, and I've mentioned this in a few other interviews I've had, I grew up, my family was a Seventh Day Adventist. Have you ever heard of that religion before? So an interesting doctrine of theirs is they don't believe you have a soul. They believe we all share kind of like a shared soul. And it's basically the Holy Spirit they think. They say when you die, the Holy Spirit returns to heaven and then you just stay in the ground and are resurrected when Jesus comes again. That's the basic premise of the religion. And of course the seventh day part of it's just they worship on Saturday just like Muslims and Jewish people, because that was one of the ten Commandments. So knowing growing up in that religion, I had no idea that there ever was such a thing as a near death experience or out of body experience or even that I had a soul. It wasn't until really my near death experience I even comprehended that. And so. So yes, in spiritual for sure. I've always been searching for this mysterious angel, for lack of a better term, that disappeared in front of my eyes when I was 11 years old. So you can consider me one of the very OG ghost hunters because I was always searching for this, how this happened. Like there was a, there was an angel or a helper or a guide or whatever that materialized in our world and helped my uncle and I out of a really tough situation when I was 11 years old. And when, when that all finished, he just van, literally he just van. Him and his car that we were in just vanished in front of my eyes. And I don't know who else, if anybody saw that, but. And so my whole life I was searching for what that could be, who that was. How could he just vanish into. Into thin air? And so spiritual. Maybe not like in a big sense, but I knew there had to be something bigger than this, than what we know in this. I call this an illusion now. Sure. Since I had my near death experience, because it basically is an illusion we live in.
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A
Yeah. And it's been talked about in, you know, the Vedic text in India. The, the great illusion, the great dream, you know.
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B
Yeah. I haven't delved into a lot of the ancient Indian writings yet like you have, but those are definitely on my list. Matter of fact, that's the whole premise of my channel is to learn or remember. I. I say I call learning, remembering now to remember all the different languages that we already know in our DNA through all the lives that we're living right now. Sure. While we're living this life. I know that's. To some people who have never heard of this concept. I apologize, but it's a lot for this brain. Or I call, I call our brain a spirit trap. Just like on Ghostbusters, you know, those little traps.
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Yeah, yeah.
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B
That's our brain.
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A
Well, I mean, yeah, you want to start making heads explode, just tell everybody that there is no past life, there is no future life. It's happening at the exact same.
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B
That's exactly right. I always told, I told everybody that because I experienced that when I died.
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A
So. So we, we've hinted about this. What happened, what happened in the day of your near death experience? What led up to it?
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B
Yeah, so I was in surgery number five of 13 and my last two surgeries I had, I was in a coma. So we might want to touch on base with that one at the end maybe to show the difference between two possible near death experiences. One, I was in a coma and didn't know I was in a coma when I woke up in the middle of it. And a point where a quantum entanglement or something happened in the operating room and I came out of my body. So those are two separate animals. You can't really lump those into the same category. But. Okay, it's very interesting that I had both of them so I can come back and tell you guys about it.
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A
So. So tell us.
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B
Okay, so the first surgery, this surgery, the NDE, first ND happened about a decade ago, about 12 years ago now. And I had surgery. They opened me all the way up from my like my sternum area all the way down past my belly button. And they had to, they put this mesh inside me. You know that. Sure. You've seen all the commercials on TV about all the lawsuits and all this stuff. Well, I'm one of those victims. But of course, my, my, the company that made my mesh wasn't part of those major class action suits. So maybe one day I'll see some kind of compensation. But it put my life through hell for over a decade now. I'm still not right because of it. But I, I don't. When they took it out, it finally, they, they didn't replace it with any more mesh. They just. And I said, well, what happens now? And the surgeon goes, I don't know. And here we are five years later. That was 2017. So anyway, back to the NDE when it. some point.
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A
And now back to the show.
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B
Something stopped working in my body. I used to think it was breathing, but I had a. There was an anesthesiologist that didn't think so. She thought maybe it was my heart stopped. So something happened and it stopped me from. Stop my bodily functions from doing whatever and I came out of my body at that exact moment. I came out through my head backwards. And it's sort of. I when I gave my interview, the first interview ever about this back in January to the. On the Jeff Marshall, I It's. It feel. I said it feels kind of like you're in a pool and you got your legs, your feet up against the wall is the side of a pool and then you push off. And that gliding back motion is kind of how I felt when I came out. Okay. And mixed with the biggest kind of high you could ever imagine. Like, people call it love. It's just the biggest feeling of warmth and love and everything's gonna be all right kind of feeling like. And so I did this. I kind of slid back, glided back, kind of at an upward angle for my body. And I was looking down at myself for a while, and I was trying to tell them I didn't want to go back to that body, like, stop trying to save me, you know, Because I had been in so much pain and misery for the five years before that that I. I was done. I was at the end of my rope at that point. I. I just didn't want to go on anymore. And so after a little while, after, you know, they couldn't hear me, that was really frustrating for me. But eventually, I got, like. A tractor beam would suck you back. I got sucked back into one of the outlets, the electrical outlets in the operating room of the hospital. And because of that, I now know that our soul or spirit body, whatever you want to label, runs on alternating current, or there is alternating current associated with our sword. I can tell you that. It's very important. And so anyway, I. I once I got inside one of those prongs in the outlet, I went. I shot really fast, like through this long tunnel, slash, wormhole. It was more like a wormhole, like in a Star Trek movie or something. Or like in Contact, when you see her going through all those wormholes. It was. It looked exactly like that, except the difference is I was going faster than life. I don't. I know that's. Doesn't seem possible, but even Franco Romero we were talking about, he told me that it was one of your earlier guests you had on back in May. He told me that there are much faster forms of energy than light. And so call it gravity, whatever you want to call it, I was in it, and I was going faster than light. And I just remember just seeing colors that I've never seen before sparkling everywhere. And it's just kind of like going on a ride in an amusement park. The best ride you've ever been on for the first time. Kind of terrified, but yet, you know, everything was going to be okay. And then at some point, I don't know. I don't know how long that was in our time. But when that. When all. When the tunnel stopped, when the wormhole stopped it, everything just went. All the light and everything that I had been passing sort of all caught up with me. And Boom. Like that. And when that. When that happened, I was in a bathroom, and I knew that I was dead on the operating table in Tampa, Florida. But where I was in this bathroom was San Diego, California. But not this San Diego. It was a different San Diego. And I don't know how to tell you how I knew that. It's just something you. I knew. Okay. Things. When you're out of your body, I can see why our brains are designed the way they're designed, because when you're out of your body, or in between lives, I guess you could call it, there is kind of no time or space. So it's hard to say how long I. I was actually dead on the operating table for. It could have been seconds, maybe, but in this time, it went on for years and years and years. Centuries. I know it sounds like I'm a crazy person, but this is exactly what I experienced. And so in this bathroom, I looked in the mirror. I was looking in the mirror when I stopped in this wormhole. And I. At first, I thought I was kind of like a fly on the wall. I was experiencing somebody else. I was observing somebody else's life because I knew I was dead on the operating table. So I was like, okay, so I don't know what this is, but let's roll, roll with it. This kind of thing. And eventually, I. I realized that I was controlling the body of the face looking in the mirror. I'm like, how is this possible? And, you know, then I started touching myself, and I was like, how is this possible? Because I was looking at a kid in a mirror. I was, like, 16 years old in that life. And imagine I was trying to figure this out. I. And so that. That was the first life I was able to experience. And I was able to experience that life for a couple years from, like, when I was 16 till I was 18 in my life. Okay? And I realized while I was experiencing this, I figured out I understood a lot of things. It took a while. I'm not even sure how long it took because a lot of this is. So when you come back to this brain, a lot of this. The details of all this kind of go by the wayside. But the most important thing for me to know about that experience was that this life was connected to this life, the one I'm talking to you right now. And the things that I was experiencing in that life mattered to this life and vice versa. And then once I understood the reason for that life, I moved on to another life. And this just kept happening like dominoes one life after the other after another. After so many, so many. I lost track of how many lives were they all.
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A
So when you kept jumping from life to life, they were in different realities. If you sense alternate dimension, alternate timelines, if you will.
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Yeah. And some I would even say are what I call. I call sandbox lives now. Like there's like lives within lives, like, or kind of test bed lives. Think of it that way. I know it's weird, but so imagine I always tell people now after the fact that our thoughts are so important, you can't even imagine how important they are. Like, we are really creators. Whatever we think happens, it may not happen in front of you in this life, but it happens somewhere. And that's why these test bed lives are set up things that you do get tested. Let's say you're thinking about doing something you probably shouldn't be doing that actually happens. Whether it be, you know, whether you're drinking and driving or want to kill somebody or whatever happens.
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Yeah, yeah. You want to go rob a bank, right?
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Yeah, exactly. And all these things happen. They get carried up and which I want to get into this. Maybe later if we have time. There's so much to talk about. I could just spend our whole interview just on one of these lives just to tell you about all.
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Now we're all these were all these lives that you were being thrown into.
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I wasn't thrown into him. I was already there in them.
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Right, so you're. But you kept popping into other lives, you said. Right.
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Yeah, it kind of. It kind of reminded me of A Christmas Carol, right. With Scrooge Takes the Trip with, you know, the Spirits of Christmas Past Present.
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It almost sounds. It sounds like Quantum Leap. It almost sounds like Quantum Leap to show.
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Yeah, I call that quantum. I. I call. I call it a quantum clock. Now we all have a quantum clock, if you will. So every. So a second here seems kind of fast to us, but in many other dimensions, a second is a long time.
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Well, that's like. Like an interstellar. Like an interstellar. Where when they go down to the planet, 15 minutes to them turned out to be like 30 years.
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Right.
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For the guy up in the.
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That's exactly what I experienced. Yeah, I experienced this. I know it works.
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Time is very relevant. Depend. Time is. We can have a long conversation about time.
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Some people think there's no time outside of this dimension, but I don't think so. I think there are. There is somewhat of a time in dimensions, outside of dimensions. That's another whole story.
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So okay, so you're jumping from or. Or. Or experiencing life to life. I'm assuming they're different people. Sometimes you're a guy, sometimes you're a girl. Some different cultures. So you're just jumping and experiencing different lives during this whole process. As you continue to do this in this nde, is there any other. Is there any other guide? Is there any other entity? Is there anything else that you feel, even if you can't see it, or you're just being thrown into multiple lifetimes? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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C
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A
And now back to the show.
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One thing I knew for sure is that there is this greater force. I call it the Infinite One. Now, you know, you could call it God or Source. Some people call it source. I. I've never heard that term until I started doing these interviews.
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A
Source. Energy. Yeah, sure.
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B
And now I hear it all the time. Source. So I. What people call source, I call the Infinite One, which is basically you and me. You and me are part of this Source, a part of this infinite One. We all make it up. And when somebody says we, we have higher selves, I. I even believe I've heard others say this, too. I believe that we all share that higher self. There is not an individual higher self. And. But I go back to Franco again. He has so many good things I learned from him. Like he. He said, you can. You can be. A drop of. Drop of. A drop of water can survive without an ocean, but an ocean can't survive without a drop of water. That's sort of how you can look at our souls and how they operate. We're all experiencing separate experiences. But there's something bigger on the other side that's receiving that experience. Right.
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Some main. Some mainframe. The Akashic records, if you will.
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Yes, exactly. So coming from a IT background, I relate a lot to what I experienced in those kind of terms. Like, you're right. Imagine the kind of computing power that's necessary to make this whole Akashic record thing reality. Like, for example, whenever you have a deja vu moment, I figured out how that works. Okay. Okay. So from this experience. So when you have that feeling like, oh, my God, I know I've been here before, but yet I know I haven't, so how is that possible? Well, that's because about a millisecond ago, or even shorter than that, you were already there or would be there. And this happens over and over and over and over and over. And this is how the timelines go on. There's just not one moment in time. There's just that keeps going over and over until something stops it. So this is where I'm at lately, in my understanding. I'm trying to right now. I've learned that talking or channeling our. Our future self and our past self, there is a way to change timelines.
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Oh, yeah, I understand.
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And I've been sort of teaching people what I've been thinking lately about that.
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All right, so you're jumping from your quantum leaping from. From different. From different lifetimes in different. And different, I guess, timelines. But they're all on Earth, right? They're all different San Diegos. They might do different New Yorks or. Oh, no, they're not.
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So you're going galaxies, other places. Yeah, other places that I don't even know how to describe it. Like, yeah, there's places, different bodies, different atmospheres, different. All kinds of things are happening. We're living at the same time. And so I. I still have questions, you know, I. When you come back to this, your mind just. Our mind is designed for us to forget all that. Okay. When we come here and we're going to come to another body. But one of the biggest questions I haven't answered yet is in. At what point do we decide or does something else decide for us when to inhabit another body? For example, because I. Incarnate. Yeah, incarnate, right. Yeah. And I don't remember incarnating in this body, but a lot of my autistic friends do, and they told me that we all always choose our mother and we know why we came here, etc. Etc. I knew why I came here, but I didn't really know that till I was 2 years old or I didn't remember until I was 2. 2 years old. I told my parents why I came here because I had to deliver a message. All of humanity one day, an important message. And I had to learn all the languages on Earth.
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So we're really quickly thinking. So as. As you're jumping from. From lifetime to lifetime in different timelines, what happens at the end of this? Quantum leaping, if you will.
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Nothing happens. I just. There was a. There was a point when I got to. Right before I came back into this body. And I don't know how long it was from that point until the time I w in the recovery room because I was back into general anesthesia at that point. So I don't remember that. But what was, what I was. What I remember what I was experiencing at the. Before I came back was I got to see a place where we're all going. Call it heaven, but it wasn't seen with eyes. It was feeling. It was a feeling I got and I was at a distance from it like. But I can tell you this place has a lot. There's a new type of love we're going to learn about or interact in. And it's remember, remember, remember. Yeah, we're already in all these places. And that's why when I talk about astral projection and stuff nowadays, it's really nothing. We're not traveling anywhere. We're already everywhere because basically everything has a black hole. And that's how we travel. We travel through black holes. That's how it works. And really, I think the black. The word black hole is kind of a misnomer. It's really more like a gateway or a portal. That's what they are, a portal. Time, if you will. Time and space.
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C
Right.
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But what I experienced was that. That's the last thing I experienced was where we're all going. And that's. That was part of my message to bring back to you all was to tell you it's. There's something so amazing that I can't express it in any language. I don't have words for it. But it's. It's an amazing. And it's already here. We. It's already here all around us right now. And call it heaven on Earth, whatever you want to call it, it's everywhere. And we can't experience it until we are vibrating at that frequency, put it that way.
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Right.
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And that is part of what I am learning about is how to. I just found out like a month ago that we could walk through portals on this earth, in this realm, with our bodies. Have you ever heard that?
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I've heard it. I've heard.
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I've never heard of that before. I didn't know that was even possible.
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So, okay, so you, so you, you're jumping in at the end, you're kind of on the way out of this space, going back to your body. You see heaven, or lack of a better word.
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I feel it. I feel it.
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Feel. You feel it and then you get kind of, what, slammed back into you or you just wake up in your body?
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B
Yeah, I didn't even experience. I don't even remember coming back to my body at all. I just remember waking up in the recovery room. At some point after that experience, I had feeling that next place we're all going to and we're talking about like a thousand year span of time that I was gone from here. I know it sounds crazy, but I was able to experience lives like that far ahead and do.
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How much do you remember, though?
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Details about every life? A lot. But I'm still remembering every day. I have dreams about places I'm going and I realized I was there. And then. So I, I need to. I, I probably need to write, start writing everything down like. But I don't have time for that right now because so many more important things are happening because right now. So what I remember the most was the reason for the lives more than the lives themselves. The details, those are kind of mundane details, but the, the lessons of why I was in these other lives is more important. You just can't imagine how connected we all are. It's mindboggling. Like you when you go to a restaurant with your wife or something, you see all the people around you. They are all connected to you. And when I, the first, I think I went to ihop when I got out of the hospital from that surgery, and my mind was just going a million miles a second. And it took me about a month for everything just to calm down to where I could cope here in this life. Because.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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C
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A
And now back to the show.
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B
Of all the things I experienced, I realized, oh, my God. The first thing I realized when I got back to this body was I've wasted so much time in my life. Wasted time. I'm talking about, like, even watching TV or arguing with people. That's not important at all. All the negative stuff, it's just, it's a waste of time. Like, next time you even one of your. Your viewers are having a bad day or something, try to turn that bad day into something positive. Because the energy doesn't die. We just go change it to a positive energy. That's really the. That's really the secret to this life. Mastering this life is love is really all that matters here. Really. That's why. And it's not really the forgiveness. Learning to love and forgive. Just in the last eight months, I've learned that it's not those things that we have to master. It's. It's the. It's what? It's the vibration that those things generate. Like being grateful. Being grateful is a higher vibration than love. Being grateful, that's being grateful for everything you have, for every soul. We have to learn how to love every soul in our heart. I mean, think about how difficult that is. You know, it doesn't mean we have to be best friends with Saddam Hussein or something like that, but we have to forgive everybody because. And that's another thing I had a problem with when I came back, was I. I still haven't got a straight answer to this. Why doesn't. I asked a lot of preachers this in my town I was in at the time, I said, how? Why doesn't God love the devil? Jesus, why doesn't Jesus forgive the devil? If we're supposed to do the same thing on our level, why. Why isn't that happening?
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Good question.
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And this is what I think. Like now I try to think outside the box as much as I can, because that's what it's all about. It's about changing our vibration. And here on this planet, and this is one of many planets, oh, my God. We have other. These are his suits, these bodies are suits. And every system has its own atmosphere, and we have suits that are built for that atmosphere. For example, like, we breathe methane in some places as our oxygen there. You know, it's just different. But.
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Well, let me ask you, when you came back, though, Mark, did you. How did you deal with this psychologically? Did you just accept this right away? Or did you just like, what the hell happened?
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Put it this way. Okay, so this was like2012, 2011 12. When this happened is the very beginning of 2012, if I remember right. Like, I think it was February 9, 2012, when this event happened. So it's taken me 11 years now to finally come out with my story, because it's taken me that long. How to. To process all this? I'm still processing, but now I've gotten to a certain point when I think I. It's time to kick it into another higher gear now. And. But that's not why I came out and said anything at all. It just. It was a circuit. The reason I came out when I did was a divine intervention. How I even met Jeff Reynolds, it's just. That's a whole other story itself. But actually, my YouTube channel, Old Scrolls, like I said, it was like a play channel of mine that I was gonna teach ancient languages, the ones I know, and then learn other languages with my subscribers. And I was hoping that it would stir something inside their stalls, their. Their soul, so they will remember another life they're living or like I did when I had my. Indeed, because when I was 20 years old. Now this is back in 1990, I re. I was on a bus in Honolulu and I was stationed there in the air Force. And I saw these four Japanese girl reading this map on the bus. And they. They were really. They looked really upset and really lost. And when I looked down at their map. Now this is. This would be 22 years before my end of year. Okay, so back then, I didn't know anything about mps or nothing like that back then. But when I looked at their map, they were looking at. It was written in characters all over the map. And I had this deja vu moment at that point. I knew that I knew that language. I knew. I don't know how I knew that. Like, kind of like a child prodigy. You sit them at a piano when they're like three years old and they just start playing this big concerto, whatever. That's sort of the moment I had at that really exact second. So after. Later on that day, I went to the University of Hawaii and I got a book on Japanese characters. And when I was flipping through this book, all these memories started coming back to me, but I didn't understand how that was even possible back then. And. And so I. I actually enrolled in a Japanese class in Waikiki. And when I, when I took the entrance test my sensei gave me, she gave me an oral test, which I. I didn't understand a word she said. But when she gave me a written test, I actually wrote in Japanese. Can you imagine? Wow. I actually wrote. And when I got to Japan after that tour, I went to Japan for, for another tour duty. And the people there said that I wrote like the ancient ones. Yeah. So in my indie, I experienced a life when I was a woman in Japan a long time ago. This is back in like the Feudal Lord days. And. I, the light, that life was connected with this life in a lot of ways. So there I had to learn forgiveness in a very hard way because I had like four brothers and they were all killed. And so I became like one of them. I wanted to get revenge for their, their deaths. So I, I used to dress like a guy in a warrior outfit and to go Mulan style.
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Yeah, Mulan style.
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B
Yeah, right.
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A
Got it.
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B
Kind of like the Last Samurai type of deal.
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A
So let me ask you, then, you said you had a second near death experience. How did that differ from this one?
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B
So this was my last two surgeries. This was 2017, and I was just visiting some friends in Nashville or north of Nashville that year. And on Christmas Eve, I was taken by ambulance down to Nashville to the hospital. And that's how it all started. So basically this mesh got infected inside me. They didn't know it at that time, but the mesh got all entangled with my insides and they had to open me up again. So they did the first surgery. It was kind of like an exploratory surgery because they didn't know exactly what was wrong. And so the next thing I, I did was I woke up in a lot of pain. You know, every time I hit the button on that pain pump, nothing happened. I. I was just. I kept getting in worse pain and worse pain. And then finally I developed this thing called, what they called a fistula. It's like, which is a fancy term for a tunnel. A tunnel developed inside of me, which wasn't good. So they had to put me out, out. But I didn't know that they were going to do that. I didn't know that they were going to put me in a comatose state. So. So at some Point after that second surgery, they just took all the mesh out of me during that surgery and they put me in a coma. Well, I woke up in the cone while, while I was out. And I know why exactly, because I'm, in medical terms, I'm what they call an outlier. Like it takes a lot more. Propofol, for example, they have to give me to put me all the way out. And these anesthesiologists, they always don't believe me when I tell them. Every surgery I've had. They're, you know, it's hard to tell them things because they don't like people, non doctors to give them advice. Happens every time, happens every time I try to tell them, you need to give me more of this and that because I'm going to wake up in excruciating pain if you don't. Because it just takes more. For some reason with my metabolism. Sure, sure, sure. I have red hair genes. That's part of it. Another doctor told me later on. But anyway, so I, I woke up in this coma because they didn't give me a. Enough medication or whatever. They were giving me fentanyl, which is toxic to most people, but like if, if Michael Jackson had had my metabolism, he would still be alive today, guaranteed. Or all this, this overdosing because of fentanyl. Fentanyl doesn't even work on me at all, at all. You can give me IVs of it and it doesn't do anything to me.
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A
And now back to the show.
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B
So that's what, that's one of the main drugs they were giving me in my. I Had two central lines in my neck. And they. When I found out that after the fact, I said, you got to switch me from that. I don't respond to that. So, okay, so you.
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A
So you woke up in the coma, or did you. Or did you woke up in the coma and then where's the years of experience?
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B
Where's the nd yeah, so I didn't know. So when I woke up, the first thing I. I saw was I was in this dark void, if you will, like, or a dark hallway and at the very end of this black, kind of like, tunnel. And I've heard, I've heard a lot of people talk about this. They call it the void. I. I believe I was in this void, whatever that is. Now, some of the doctors after I came out of this experience said that I had what's called delirium. I couldn't remember that word during my interview with Jeff. But I remember that, like a few minutes after that interview got done, it was delirium. So doctors sometimes just chalk it up to delirium, which I guess, I don't know. I've never really researched delirium a lot, but I guess that implies, like, you're having some kind of hallucination. But to me, it was no hallucination. Like, I was totally wide awake as I'm talking to you right now. Just like in my astral projection experiences, which maybe we could talk about on another interview, another day, because those are more profound than my near death experience, by the way, is my astral projection experiences. Because I learned how to do it after my near death experience. I wanted to prove that you could do it because so many, so many people that told me about it, they said, mark, you don't have to die to experience what you experience. And that's what got me into astral projection after that.
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So you. So you woke up in the void?
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Woke up in this void. What. What's going on here? Because last thing I knew, I was in excruciating pain and I was on my hospital floor and they just started shooting stuff in my ivy. And that's the last thing I remember until this moment. So I didn't know I had gone through another surgery. I didn't know any of that. I just knew that I was in this black kind of space. And I. I saw this little tiny light way off. I mean, it seemed like maybe like three football fields away. Just a real tiny point of light, long way away. And I'm like, oh, my God, what is that? You know? And so I sort of started kind of floating towards that light a little bit. And then at some point it, I guess I didn't know what it was. There was like a lady on the other side of this little window. It kind of reminded me like a slit in the door or like you would serve a tray of. I feel just somebody in prison, right? Those little slits. It was like a little slit like that. So I would look through the slit and there, there was this lady on the. This woman on the other side of that slit. And she was trying to talk to me, but I couldn't understand her. And. And so this went on for a while, a long while. And maybe I was just in between worlds or something right there. I don't know. That's probably the delirium part. But then after that, everything started to get real bright all around me. It was like, kind of like I was in a blue sky, just a 360 degree blue sky. And in front of me were all these chrome outline windows. And each window sort of reminded me of a. Maybe a page on your browser that has all the YouTube videos. That's what they look like, but a lot cooler, a lot more modern looking, like really shiny chrome. Borders on all the. With all the videos and with my mind, I could just play with my mind each one of these videos. And so there were so many videos, I didn't know which one to watch first. So I just kind of started from the top left and I kind of went just like I would on YouTube or whatever. And each video kind of showed me a little sliver of time in the future and sort of recent past or kind of present. I didn't see myself on the bed in a coma though. I. I thought I was dead. After a while, I thought I had died. Okay. I didn't know how else to think about it, but I remembered my near death experience from five years earlier. And I'm like, well, this is something totally different. So am I dead? Because wouldn't I experience the same thing I experienced before? I was asking myself all these questions and I wasn't in a hurry to figure all this out. I was very calm. I was in no pain whatsoever. So I was disconnected from my nervous system somehow. Whether that be, I don't know. I don't know the medical terminology to tell you how it works scientifically, but I was definitely disconnected from my nervous system because I was feeling no pain like I did when I came out of that. I didn't know I was intubated, didn't know any of that. All As I could tell, I was in this field of windows at this point. And so I thought. At that point, I thought, okay, I'm going to figure out why I died. Maybe one of these videos will show me. Me how I died, you know? So I just started playing the videos, and I. I kept watching all of them over and over and over and over and over. And I finally got to some. Well, this one video. And they would always end. They weren't continuing continuous feeds. They were clips. Okay, now that I'm learning how to edit videos now I can. I know that terminology there. But so these are clips. They were not like live streams. They were quantum clips, I guess you could call them, because some of them had different outcomes depending on how many times I watched it, if you can imagine that. So this one clip seemed. So I finally got to this one clip where it gave me the closest I. I could get to seeing why I had died. But then I figured out if I kept. If I played this other video with it, I could get a different outcome or something like that. I kept playing with the videos until I was trying to investigate how all this was happening, why I was in this state or how I died. So it turns out that this is how I learned about the quantum clock a lot. Because I learned that if I did certain things in some of these other videos, it would have an effect. When I played these other videos in the sequence I was watching them in seemed to be important. I found out. I found out kind of like by accident. But then. So I watched this one video, then I watched another video. And I kept trying to create a pattern where I could understand what had led up to this. And I got to this one video where I actually seem like instead of stopping where it normally stopped, it kept going. And I figured out, okay, well, in those other. In the other pattern, I watched Suzanne. I did this and that. What if I do this differently? Maybe I'll live. And sure enough, that's when I was starting to come out of that delirium or whatever the doctors say it is. That's when I. I just decided to fight to stay alive in this video. So at this point, the video went from a clip to actual reality. I don't know how that's even possible. So I knew my outcome before the outcome was even known. Just like Einstein and others explained about how entanglement works. It. It's really like that. Everything's known ahead of time, but it's
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all happening at the same time.
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Yes. So that's what I experienced in My first indie, too. I experienced future lives and past lives, and I realized it was all connected to this present life. And so I can tell you what I experienced was exactly that. There is no such thing as future or present. Like 1776, when we became the United States of America. That's still happening. That same day is happening right now. Can you imagine that? Yeah. Hard to understand now I'm realizing these moments, every moment in your life, keep happening over and over and over and over until something stops that moment or changes that moment.
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A
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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C
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A
And now back to the show. So, and we're going to just jump off it here a second from the, the near death experience, because I think this concept's really interesting to kind of dive into just a little bit. Is that from what I've heard from different channels, even spiritual masters. Is that when there's a thought? And quantum physicists, by the way, when there's a thought, you're. You create a new reality, a new timeline and another new timeline and another timeline.
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B
And you're constantly jumping new epiphany lately.
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A
Yeah, you're kind of jumping back and forth between timelines based on what you think. Because we all have those thoughts. Like you're in traffic and you're like, I wish I could just get out and beat the crap out of that guy. Because he's just, he's just being. He flipped me off. Something as stupid as that. Well, in the. In a timeline that happened and that started another. Because of the, of our powers of, of our mind.
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B
So that all the leaps is forever.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. So it's an infinite amount of worlds. It's an infinite amount of multiverses, if you will. It just continued. So it sounds like from your first near death experience, you got to travel a little bit in that world, going from lifetime to lifetime to lifetime. And even in this, the second nde, you were able to experience different points of a little bit of the past, a little bit of the future, quote, unquote.
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B
Because it was more recent. It was really recent.
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A
It was close. It was within that realm to the point where you caught up on the television and then a television on the screen and that caught up to reality. So is that how you jumped out of that near death experience into your own, into, into life, where we are now?
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B
Yes, exactly. You woke right up. What happened? Matter of fact, yes. I saw ahead of time the outcome of me coming out of it. That's how I knew I had a chance. I had a. I, I knew I had a 50, 50 shot, it seemed like, of getting out. And I was like. Because it, up until that point, it had been torture. Like, they had me on one of these. So after I. There was a point when I came out of all these, When I came out of all those windows, I actually went back into that field. Once they gave me more stuff in my IV or whatever, I actually went back to that window field. But there was a time when I was just looking. Well, they put washcloths on my eyes a lot. And I, I got really mad and frustrated that they did that because then I couldn't see anything in the room. And they had the Food Network on. In my, on my tv, in my room the whole time I was in this coma, which is about like a week. I had to listen to this Food Network. And they give you this stuff called TPNs, like tertiary something. You put that in my central line for my food. So. And I remember this nurse kept coming in and say, okay, Mr. Hodges, this is your cheese stick coming in right now, or whatever. And then. Or this is. Got a nice piece of, you know, apple pie coming through your IV or something. And, but that, you know, that doesn't fill you up or satisfy you, but this Food Network was on the whole time. And. Oh, I get so mad.
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So, so. But you, but you came back out of it, and, and then you've just been processing it for the last 11 years, essentially dealing with it, investigating it. I'm just trying to get an understanding of where it is.
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B
I tried telling this to a few of my family members, and I just got rejected. Like, my father died that same year later on, he had Aneurysm, Brain aneurysm. And he died really quickly. But he. The last conversation we had in his life was argument about my near death experience. He thought it was from the devil, you know, whatever.
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Obviously. Obviously is always involved, right? Obviously. There's a demon, there's a devil, sure.
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And my brother and sisters chose to stay in that religion, so they're the same exact way. I can't talk to them about any of those, you know, and. And really back then when I had my nde, it wasn't so receptive back then either for the average person. So, no, it's been kind of a lonely life up till now. And now I found out there's a lot of us that chose to meet here. Meet me here via that. The first podcast I told my story on, I had all these people that showed up on my doorstep and turns out we all decided to come here at this time for something really important and big, bigger than us. And that's why I'm on your show right now, because this was all meant to be. There are no such thing as coincidences at all.
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Agreed, Agreed. There's no, there's no question. And if you imagine, you know, 10 years ago or, you know, 12 years ago, how, how rough it is, I had people on the show from the 70s and the 60s who had. Nd ease. Who. Can you imagine trying to have those?
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B
Yeah, yeah. Well, just. I don't know how old you are. I'm 54. But so my whole growing up, my whole teenage years and early adult, we didn't have the Internet back then, you know, so.
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A
No, I didn't have it. I'm not that young, sir. I remember. I remember three channels, Saturday morning cartoons.
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B
Well, yeah, well, we had a fourth member that we had the UHF channel.
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A
The UHF channel, of course.
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B
We had the little bunny or special
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A
bunny with some aluminum foil occasionally. And we basically were just on a bicycle.
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B
So you're just playing for my generation.
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I'm. I'm a little bit younger, but not too far. We. We've walked over the same bodies, as they say, sir.
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B
Oh, yeah. You remember, like when I was in the military, even when we were trying to watch the super bowl, we were in one of those skiffs where, you know, we had no windows or anything. So we, one of us would volunteer to hold up a wire leading from the back of the TV antenna thing, like MacGyver.
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Oh, yeah.
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B
And depending on where you were standing.
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Oh, yeah, you can get that. Oh, no. I mean, we sound like old farts here, but yes. Kids, if there's Anyone, anyone under 40 listening right now are going, what? What? What? We live like savages, basically. We live like savages, essentially.
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B
Yeah, I remember we got the first Pong and I remember the. When mtv, everything came out.
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A
Oh yeah, Pong.
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B
I remember. Oh yeah.
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A
I had in television.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
I was fancy. I was fancy.
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B
You were up there, I was uptown. I got a television.
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A
But Mark, thank you so much for sharing your story, man. I, I know we could talk for hours about.
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C
Yeah.
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A
About. About this stuff. Stuff. But I hope that this conversation helps somebody else going through it or just gives people an insight to what we're. These ideas, these concepts. Because a lot of the ideas you have or a lot of the concepts that are discussed in both your near death experiences is stuff that we talk about on the show all the time with quantum physicists, with spiritual masters, with channelers, with different people from different walks of life around the world. And you know, again, from my perspective, being privy to all of it, my perspective of talking to so many people, the second you say something, I'm like, oh yeah, that makes absolute sense because of this, this and this. And it's. Oh yeah, and this makes sense.
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B
That's why I want to. Next time we talk, Alex, let's talk about some of the after indie stuff that's happening, especially this year, because I'm learning. So I'm just learning the. I'm a baby and so many of these things that you have guessed on talking about. But now I'm. All these light bulbs are starting to come on for me now. Like I'm starting to understand that, wow, we can really change timelines and does that have a paradox effect? Like. Oh. One thing I want to really mention also that we didn't get a chance to talk about is think about, think of, think of dimensions that we live around as a Rubik's Cube. Okay. Or have you ever seen that movie the Cube where. Yeah, yeah, okay. The Cube. Okay. That's kind of how dimensions really work all the time. So.
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A
Well, Interstellar does that too. Interstellar has those kind of cubes, I
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B
think, like there's a change, a click. Yeah. In different directions. And that's how dimensions change. And that's. I don't know how that all works yet. I'm still figuring that out. But there's so many layers to it. But that's happened. I think that's why people have this Mandela effect, for example. And I think that's kind of what's happening with us right now. This we're maybe coming into that crossing, that Milky Way crater. I think that's what, I think that's. I understand, like when they called the Nibiru, remember the whole Nibiru craze back in early 2000s? Well, I think that they used to call it planet of the crossing, and I thought it meant cross into our solar system. But I think now I understand that crossing is crossing the Milky Way equator, not our solar system. So I think every 12,000 years on the way up, we cross that equator and on the other side, we cross the equator and we go through this really magnetic electromagnetic turbulence. And that coupled with maybe that solar system from our twin star coming into contact with our solar system for that brief period and crossing through that crossing at the same time, that's when things can really happen. I think that's kind of like what's going on right now.
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A
That's really interesting. And, and since you mentioned the Mandela effect, I have to ask you a few questions about the Mandela effect. So we have had a bunch of guests on about Mandela effect.
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B
Fascinating.
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It is one of my fast. Okay, so who was the person who was in the. Who was the face of the Publisher's Clearinghouse when you were a kid? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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C
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A
And now back to the show.
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B
Ed McMahon.
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A
Obviously, it's Ed McMahon. It's obviously Ed McMahon. Ed McMahon has never been part of
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B
who are they saying it is now.
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A
They've never had. They've never been associated with.
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B
With what?
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A
Never. Apparently he was part of Family Circle.
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B
I haven't heard this one.
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A
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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B
I've heard the magic mirror and all that stuff. But I haven't heard this one.
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Oh, I'm gonna blow your mind a little bit here, Mark. This is just gonna be fun. Anyone still listening? This is just gonna blow your head, so Prepare yourselves. Eddie McMahon has never been a part of Publishers Clearinghouse. He never was the guy handing checks with big balloons at people's doors.
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B
Oh, I remember. I could almost. If I could draw and I could sketch.
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A
No, no, we all. There is millions of us who remember this. Okay, Is it Jif peanut butter or Jiffy? Peanut butter.
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B
That's another one that got me. Jiffy for sure.
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A
It's Jif. It's never good.
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B
I know. I. I heard that. But the one that gets me the most is the magic mirror on the wall thing. That is.
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Oh, yeah.
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B
Mirror, mirror, on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all?
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And. And what is it? And what is it?
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B
Oh, it's mirror, mirror, a magic mirror on the wall.
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A
That's B.S. that's B.S. there's no man.
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B
I know.
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A
It's mirror, mirror on the wall. It's not magic mirror on the wall. That makes no sense. Okay, Field of Dreams. Remember the movie Field of Dreams?
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B
Oh, I haven't heard this one yet.
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A
All right.
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B
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I didn't know. Okay.
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With Kevin Costner.
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Everyone is listening.
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A
89. Kevin Costner.
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B
The other James. Actually, the guy for the. Played Darth Vader's voice is in that James Earl Jones.
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A
Yes. What do they. What. What do they say? What is the voice that he hears in the field? If you build it, they will come.
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B
If you build it, they will come. No, what does it say?
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Now go watch the movie tonight. And it will say.
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B
All right.
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A
Build it. He will come.
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B
He will come.
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A
BS it's they will come.
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No, they will. It is.
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A
They will come. Because it's the car. It's always been they. Of course. Oh, no, wait a minute. Let's go. Let's go into Star Wars. Star Wars.
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B
Oh, I. I'm your father.
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A
No, no. Is it? Is it. So what is it? Is it. Luke, I am your father.
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B
Yeah, it's definitely. It's that. I know. It's like I. Oh, this is.
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A
I don't even know what this.
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B
The other one is gone. And watch some of these movies. Like, there's also one in Forrest Gump.
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Oh, I didn't know this one.
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I have three little second cousins that were in that plane. They were. They were extras in the movie. They were playing jump rope. And when he's talking to the.
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Yeah, I remember that. Scene.
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The African American lady on the bench. There was a scene.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Those are my cousins.
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Oh, nice, nice. So what was it in Forrest number. So what is it? What is in there?
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Life is like a box of chocolates. Mama always said life is like a box of chocolates.
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But that's the line, isn't it?
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That's gotta be.
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And it isn't. It isn't that. I don't know.
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No, it isn't that.
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What is it now?
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It says something like, so, all right, last one.
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Last one. Because we can go this forever. But there's so many.
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It's something totally different, too.
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It's life a lot. It's. Life is like a box.
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Now, I don't know about the. Yeah. The Wellington bear thing or no.
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Oh, no, The Berenstain. Berenstein bears.
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I never saw that when they're growing up, so I didn't even get that one.
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But, yeah, Berenstein bears. All right, I'll give you one more. Fruit of the Loom. Okay.
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Fruit of the Loom. Fruit of the Loom. They had the little. They had the cornucopia.
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Yeah, the cornucopia. Fruit. Right.
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That was in the middle. The middle of the.
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Yeah. And the fruit came out of the corn. It's called the cornucopia. I think that little kind of horn. That little horn thing that. That the fruit came out of.
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B
Right.
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No, never existed.
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B
What?
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It's just been fruit. So this is the Mandela effect. If you haven't. If everyone listening you have not heard of the Mandela effects, Google it. Have some fun. There is. I have episodes with quantum physicists talking to me about the Mandela effect that are out on the channel as well. So you can take.
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B
Here's another perspective I was thinking about. Did you ever see that show Lost?
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A
Of course. Yeah.
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Okay. The Hurley in the game. Yeah. Sometimes I think we're actually. Those of us living right now, actually, that happened to, like, we all really died, like, in 2012, I think when the Mayan calendar ended, we switched dimensions, and that's when all this. If you remember, that's when all this Mandela effect stuff started. Was right around that time.
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Like I said, if you want. All I gotta say is, hopefully there's no smoke. Hopefully there's no smoke monster here.
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C
Right.
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Let's hope and pray there's no smoke monster here. Anyway, my friend, I'm gonna ask.
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Monster.
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I don't.
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I don't start with the J.
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All I know is the writers got really lazy at the end of that show. That's all I'm saying, they got really lazy. Of course, it was a horrible ending. But anyway, I'm going to ask you a few questions, ask all my guests. Mark, what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?
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That's a really great question because we all seem to have little different takes on that, living a fulfilled life. I, I haven't lived it yet, even though I've had a full life. I mean, I've experienced things that most people will never experience in their life lifetime, these lifetimes. But I would say just now, let me ask you this. Do you mean like the, the possibilities?
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Yes.
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How do you. Yeah.
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How do you define living a fulfilled life or a good life? It's a general statement.
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B
Yeah. Get rid of fear in your life. Number one, fear is the opposite of love in my book. And fear. If once you get rid of fear, you're going to feel the freest you've ever felt ever in your life. And now those of us who have had these NDEs and our astral projection, we can tell you firsthand that we don't die. So that's one fear you can erase from your book. So once you understand that we don't die, then you understand, like if you jump off a cliff or you're in a bad car wreck or whatever, I can assure you that even before that car wreck happens or you fall off that cliff or whatever you're going to, your soul is going to come out of your body before any of that happens. And this is just, I've heard this is how it's going to be. So once you get rid of all the fear, then you will, you can live a more fulfilled life because then you're, you're not afraid to experience new things and do things. And I mean, of course that doesn't mean we go out and rob banks. Sure, there's consequence, there's negative consequences that come with those kind of negative decisions. But yeah, once you, once you realize fear is stopping you from doing so many things, then you can live more of a sensual life.
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If you had a chance to go back in time and talk to little Mark, what advice would you give him?
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I would just tell him everything I know now. And God, that's actually a key to what I'm learning right now, is to go back, actually go back and talk to little Burke, a little balance, and take a point in your life, maybe a decision you made in your past. Go back to that moment in time and just imagine making a different decision back then in that part of your life. And Seeing how far you can take that in your imagination. And guess what? That will happen. You can actually go back and I can talk. I've been doing it. I've been going back into my tell a little, mark this and that. And it's going to be interesting to see the results of that.
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Interesting. Yeah, yeah, like. Yeah, like, what if I would have dated that girl? Or what if I would have gone to that school? Or what if I would have gotten that job? See where that goes, you know? Or I would have not dated that person. Or I would have gotten. Not gotten that job.
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Yeah, I was actually going on a date with somebody and I was. I was going out on my second date, and the phone rang on my way out the door to go on that second date. It was somebody I really liked, but there was another girl on the other line of that phone that I didn't know was going to be there. That stopped me from going on that date that night. And it wasn't a very good outcome. I wish if I had one. I wish if I had one moment in time I would not answer the phone and just keep walking out the door. And I often wondered how my life would have been different. Now I'm actually thinking it like I picture myself leaving the phone on the wall, not answering, but back.
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It's interesting.
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We didn't have cell phones, you know, you didn't know who was calling. It could have been your parents. Yeah, and you got to pay extra for caller id.
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A
Exactly. And three way calls.
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You'd have a phone that recognized caller ID too.
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That's true. Now, how do you define. How do you define God?
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God is all of us put together. Everything. Everything and every. All of us. Everything that there is. It's God. I called the infinite one.
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A
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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A
And now back to the show,
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the Infinite One. But we're trying to. Food for thought. Try to think what happened before. You know, I know he was always. God has always been beginning in the end. But there our minds want. Don't believe that we think there has to be a beginning to that. So I always try to think about that. I get overwhelmed when I try to think about that.
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A
And what is the ultimate purpose and what is the ultimate purpose of life
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B
is to learn the lessons we came here to learn and move on to the graduating class with me because I want to be in the graduating class this time. Not have to repeat like Groundhog Day,
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A
the most spiritual movie of all time. The most spiritual movie of all time. Groundhog.
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B
Yeah, yeah. No question about it.
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A
Spiritual movie of all time. Now, where can people find out players
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B
when the radio alarm goes off?
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A
Oh, God. I got you, baby. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're trying to do in the world?
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Okay, so my channel is. My YouTube channel is old Scrolls. Okay. It's kind of a double entendre. Think about old souls, old Scrolls. You. They're one of our. One of the things I haven't even started yet. It's actually, I'm launching it this week is my ancient language portion of this whole thing. But the whole premise is you're going to learn ancient languages with me. Some of them I know, most of them I don't. And while we're doing that, hopefully that'll stir something inside you to remember who you really are, all these other lives we're living, and how we're all connected. I call the substance, the invisible substance that connects us all. Electric Honey. That's what I call it now.
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A
Well, that's.
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B
That's lovely.
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A
I like that. Electric Honey.
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B
Electric. Nice. Thought that'd be a good name for a song, too, because I'm a musician, so.
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A
Oh, that would definitely be a band from the 60s or 70s. Yeah, more 60s, I think. Electric Honey.
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B
Yeah. So. And then we have a companion Facebook page called Gamma Scrolls. Like Game of Thrones, but Game of Souls, one of our first subscribers, came up with that name and we just stuck with us. Great. Game of Scrolls. And so it's Facebook, slash groups, slash Game of Scrolls. Go ahead. We have podcasts on there three or four days a week that just Stay in Facebook, because I wanted to create a safe space for everybody to come, you know, learn how to heal and learn how to. We have to learn how to heal ourselves so we can teach others to do the same. And once everybody learns how to heal and learns and learns all these things that we've been taught to forget, like how to astral project, things like that. I want to be a safe place for people to come that's private, where they could talk about their deep, deepest, darkest traumas. Because that's something we all have in common that have come here. We've met up as we all have been through these massive traumas in our life. You know, think about all the different, possible, possible traumas, and we. They're all represented. And so, yeah, that, that's a. That's a place where I'm trying to get more subscribers to come over there until we can. A lot of people don't like Facebook, so, you know, I understand, but.
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A
Well, Mark, I. I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your story and your journey.
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B
Thank you for having me. We could talk about this forever. And if you, if you think. If you think about other topics that we could talk about, please have me back. Or maybe I'll invite you to my channel one day if you have time.
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A
I appreciate you, my friend. Thanks again.
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B
All right, Alex,
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A
thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode@nextlevelsoul.com 32 6. And if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next Level Soul tv. Until next time, keep expanding, keep seeking, and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.
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