BONUS MONDAYS: UNSETTLING TRUTH: Quantum Physics' UNNERVING Reveal About Spirituality & GOD! with Jeff Carreira

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: BONUS MONDAYS: UNSETTLING TRUTH: Quantum Physics' UNNERVING Reveal About Spirituality & GOD!
Guest: Jeff Carreira
Date: February 23, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode of the Next Level Soul Podcast, host Alex Ferrari sits down with author, philosopher, and spiritual teacher Jeff Carreira to explore the mysterious intersection between quantum physics and spirituality. Together, they unravel how advances in quantum science not only challenge our deeply held materialistic worldview, but also open up new possibilities for understanding consciousness, reality, and the very nature of existence. The wide-ranging conversation threads together science, philosophy, spiritual experience, and pop culture, making abstract theories both approachable and personally meaningful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Journey from Religion to Science to Spirituality

• Jeff’s Early Path: Raised Catholic and initially wanting to become a priest, Jeff journeyed through atheism and scientific study before returning to spiritual exploration.
  • “My first interest was in being a priest... and I went through the rest of my childhood becoming more and more disillusioned with religion. In high school, I declared myself an atheist.” (03:35)
• On the Limits of Science:
  • “As it turned out, I came to a place where I realized that there’s basically an edge to physics in which scientists are making it up.” (04:49)
  • Inspiration from Thomas Kuhn’s "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions": Science isn’t linear progress, but a series of shifting worldviews. (05:04)

2. The Fragility of Scientific ‘Truths’

• Fluidity of Science: Alex and Jeff reflect on how all established scientific theories have eventually been replaced or radically reinterpreted (gravity shifting from force to curvature of spacetime).
  • “Every single scientific theory that has ever been held as rock solid true has been proven false. Except the ones we believe are rock solid true today.” – Jeff (11:44)
• Materialism Challenged by Quantum Physics: Quantum breakthroughs show that matter isn’t as solid or separate as once believed.
  • “Everything isn’t solid. Everything is energy.” – Alex (14:57)

3. Quantum Entanglement & the Limits of Space-Time

• Quantum Entanglement Explained: Jeff uses the metaphor of ‘two basketballs bouncing in different gym corners’ to dramatize the weirdness of particles that instantaneously affect each other no matter the distance.
  • “If that happened in a gym… everybody would be freaking out... But this has been happening at the quantum level for a hundred years.” – Jeff (17:19)
• Implications for Spirituality: Entanglement disrupts our assumptions that space and time are barriers, paralleling spiritual notions of unity and nonlocality.
  • “It’s showing us that we are connected at a much deeper level than we truly understand.” – Alex (19:16)

4. The Observer Effect & Consciousness

• Double-Slit Experiment: Explained as the classic proof that observation changes outcomes at the quantum level, even without physical intervention.
  • “As soon as you’re certain… it only reveals itself as having gone through one slit.” – Jeff (20:20)
• Spiritual Parallels: Discussion links this to the ancient spiritual debate about the observer, the soul, and the nature of consciousness.
  • “Who is watching inside our brain?... Is that the soul? Is that the higher self?” – Alex (26:22)
  • “The observer watching determines a lot of what’s happening.” – Alex (27:21)

5. Questioning the Nature of Reality

• Reality as Dream or Simulation: Drawing on lucid dreams, video games, and ancient philosophies, they explore whether our experience is more like a simulation or collective illusion than solid fact.
  • “If this was a dream, it would be exactly like this.” – Jeff (37:22)
  • "Mario running into a block in a video game... all of that is programming. There is no Mario, there is no block." – Alex (41:46)
• Cultural Programming: Our perceptions and beliefs are shaped—and limited—by the culture and programming of our upbringing.
  • “If you lived in a culture, for instance, that believed that reality was constantly being rendered as you encountered it... that’s what you would experience.” – Jeff (44:54)

6. Reprogramming Ourselves & Openness to Paradigm Shifts

• On Limiting Worldviews: The challenge is to free ourselves from inherited or dominant paradigms and remain open to paradigm shifts.
  • “How do we liberate ourselves from worldviews?... How do we be open-minded enough and free enough not to be trapped by any worldview?” – Jeff (57:08)
• Power of Meditation & Inner Experience: Eastern wisdom traditions direct us to look within for answers, bypassing external dogmas or endless information seeking.
  • “The truth lies within, which is what the Eastern philosophies... have been saying forever.” – Alex (59:17)
  • “When you go inside, you start to see the truth about who you really are… not the nature of this reality, the one outside, but the deeper reality.” – Jeff (61:26)

7. Expanding Dimensionality: Flatland, Fourth Dimension, and Multiverse

• Flatland Analogy: Jeff introduces the book ‘Flatland’ as a metaphor for higher dimensions and our limited perception.
  • "The sphere comes... from the point of view of the person in Flatland... he just hears this voice coming from nowhere." – Jeff (63:33)
• Spiritual Encounters as Higher Dimensions: Suggestion that spiritual or paranormal experiences may reflect encounters with higher-dimensional realities—a concept mirrored in reports from near-death experiencers.
  • “He believed that all of the history of spirituality and religions on earth is actually an encounter with a higher dimensional being that’s been passing through our three dimensions.” – Jeff (67:19)
• Parallel Universes and Multiverse: The cultural popularity and deeper implications of the multiverse are discussed, including how we integrate or ignore these possibilities into our worldviews.

8. Stories as Catalysts for Paradigm Change

• The Power of Fiction: Stories (from ancient myths to Star Wars and The Matrix) seed paradigm shifts by expressing new ideas in emotionally resonant ways.
  • “Literature was actually a better vehicle for new ideas than philosophy...” – Jeff (85:46)
  • “The Matrix made people think about this stuff in a weird way. Now... movies about the multiverse... there are seeds of these ideas.” – Alex (89:15)
• Personal Influence: Jeff credits Captain Marvel’s ‘cosmic awareness’ as his first spiritual teacher, showing the role of pop culture in spiritual development. (82:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Limits of Scientific Truths:
  • “Every single scientific theory that has ever been held as rock solid true has been proven false. Except the ones we believe are rock solid true today.”
    — Jeff Carreira (11:44)
• Explaining Quantum Entanglement Simply:
  • “If we had two basketballs on opposite sides of the gym... and we bounced this one and that one bounced at the same exact time... We’d be freaking out.”
    — Jeff Carreira (17:19)
• On the Observer Effect:
  • “As soon as you’re certain… it only reveals itself as having gone through one slit.”
    — Jeff Carreira (24:12)
• On the Power of Inner Experience and Meditation:
  • “The truth lies within, which is what the Eastern philosophies and, and, and thoughts and ideas have been saying forever.”
    — Alex Ferrari (59:17)
• Reality as a Dream/Matrix:
  • “Everything I just said really starts to make your head hurt... this is a dream, this is an illusion... not the great illusion, Maya, that this isn’t reality.”
    — Alex Ferrari (41:46)
• On Changing Beliefs and Expanding Awareness:
  • “The most important thing we need in the world is wide open minds.”
    — Jeff Carreira (51:05)
• Final Purpose:
  • “To become as complete an expression of that unique potential of God that you are.”
    — Jeff Carreira (92:21)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Begins Quantum/Spirituality Discussion: 02:49
• Limits of Science & Kuhn’s Paradigm Shifts: 05:04–06:08
• Materialism vs. Quantum Physics: 14:57–16:10
• Quantum Entanglement Explained: 17:01–19:15
• Double-Slit/Observer Effect: 20:20–24:12
• Reality as Simulation & Lucid Dreams: 37:22–41:46
• Video Game/Programming Metaphors & Cultural Programming: 41:46–46:59
• Importance of Reprogramming & Open Mindedness: 51:05–57:08
• Inner Experience/Meditation as Knowledge Source: 59:17–61:26
• Flatland & Dimensionality Discussion: 62:32–67:32
• Parallel Universes & Multiverse: 75:55–78:31
• Fiction, Storytelling, and Shifting Paradigms: 81:09–89:39
• Lightning Round (defining fulfilled life, God, purpose): 89:48–92:21
• Jeff’s Closing Message: 92:47–93:26

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Closing Thoughts

Alex and Jeff conclude by encouraging curiosity, openness, and the transformative power of both inner exploration and imaginative storytelling. They advocate for embracing mystery, questioning assumptions, and recognizing that our most fundamental beliefs about reality, matter, and consciousness are up for revision—echoing both the lessons of quantum physics and ancient spiritual wisdom.

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To learn more about Jeff Carreira, visit:
jeffcarreira.com

Listen to more episodes and dive deeper at:
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Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

Like to welcome to the show Jeff Carrera. How you doing, Jeff?

[Jeff Carrera]

Very good. Nice to see you, Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

Pleasure to be a pleasure man friend. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I'm. I'm excited to talk to you about one of our favorite subjects of the audience that, that we, I love talking about is quantum physics and its connection to spirituality. And kind of going into that deep, deep rabbit hole. Yes, absolutely. That is ever changing, by the way. It's a rabbit hole that constantly is changing. Unlike a lot of ancient wisdom that kind of just stays ancient and wiz and wise, Quantum physics is still trying to figure things out. And connecting it to spirituality is always interesting. So my first question is what caused you, what sparked your interest in doing research in regards to the connection between quantum physics and spirituality?

[Jeff Carrera]

This is a long standing interest of mine in the sense that when I was very young, I was raised Catholic and my first interest was in being a priest.

[Alex Ferrari]

You, me both, brother. Okay, there you go, Bruce. A priest came in in my first grade class and I went home and I go, mom, I'm going to be a priest. And my mom's like, oh, God,

[Jeff Carrera]

that's funny, because I. I was very young and I told my grandfather I wanted to be a priest. And he said, great idea, good racket. You see that Lincoln they drive? And I just thought, okay, I don't want to be a priest. That was the end of that desire. And I went through a progress. You know, I went through the rest of my childhood becoming more and more disillusioned with religion. And so in my. In high school, I declared myself an atheist. And I studied physics as an undergraduate because I felt if I understood physics since we lived in a physical universe, I would understand everything there was to know. And as it turned out, I came to a place where I realized that there's basically an edge to physics in which scientists are making it up.

[Alex Ferrari]

And

[Jeff Carrera]

I read Thomas Kuhn's book the Structures of Scientific Revolutions, which basically talks about how we think the history of science is the history of increasing knowledge about reality. When in fact, it's a very interesting history in which worldviews emerge and they exist for a while and then they collapse. And then a completely new worldview emerges. And there's very little that connects one to the next. It's not really a progression of knowledge about reality. It's really a shifting philosophy about what is Real. And that's when I started getting into psychology and then meditation, philosophy, spiritual philosophy. And so I've always been in some ways wanting to rectify my scientific leanings with my spiritual passions.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it's always very interesting because science and scientists a lot of times and speak with such authority that they know everything, but there it goes to an edge. All science goes to an edge when you start getting. Going bigger and bigger and bigger to the point where like, well, the Big Bang. Great. What was before the Big Bang? What caused the Big Bang? Ah, we don't know. We can't go there. Or gravity, quantify gravity for me. And they're like, well, we know how it works, but why does it work? You know, like these, these basic ideas, like there's. They only could go so far, but yet the ego tells. It's like a very egotistic way of looking. Like, I know this for a fact. Well. I mean, it's constantly changing and we're kind of constantly growing. I mean, there was a time there how Galileo effect that they wouldn't even look through the telescope. They just wouldn't even look like, look, man, we can't go down there, but we'll buy them for the, for the war, but we can't look through them.

[Jeff Carrera]

Got it? No, definitely. And, you know, I went down a big rabbit hole in terms of the Big Bang theory at one point. And you know, essentially it's a pretty bad theory, meaning it doesn't explain much. And it requires a lot of mathematical fudging to make it work. You know, every time we figure out that the universe is bigger than we thought it was or has more matter in it than we thought it was, we need to. We need to explain. We need to add an element that helps make the mathematical trajectory of the Big Bang work out. So it's not a great theory. It just happens to be really the only one we have. But in effect, it's not, in my opinion, really significantly more explanatory than saying God invented the universe or, you know, God started the universe. I mean, it's just, you replace God with a Big Bang and nobody knows what that is because before the Big Bang, there was no time and there was no space. So how does it. How does an explosion happen in no time in no space? You know, nobody really knows. So it's just as mysterious as saying God, whatever that is, invented, you know, created the universe.

[Alex Ferrari]

And the thing is that with the Big Bang, you can actually see there is things that they can study now, which is remnants of The Big bang with telescopes and so they can see what happened. Why it happened is the question. How it happened is the question. But they're like, something happened and we can prove that something happened. And we can prove, you know, it's like kind of like, I know this cake tastes well, tastes good. I love this cake, it's delicious. And I know there was eggs and this or that, but who created the materials to make the eggs, to make the. You just keep going down, down, you're just like, I don't know.

[Jeff Carrera]

And the further down that rabbit hole you go, the more you realize that as Thomas Kuhn wrote about in the Structures of Scientific Revolutions, it's very questionable that we know anything at all. Of course we do know things, but we know things in relationship to a background of understanding and we don't know. So there's a great word and I always mispronounce it, but I think it's called verisimilitude, something like that. Anyway, it basically means the truth, the truthiness of a statement. And the idea is, if we don't know what reality is, how do we know which theory is closer to it than any other theory? If you don't know where you're going, how do you know if you're getting any closer? What allows you to say this is true versus that is true if you don't know what's underneath it all? It's like, you know, the Kuhn has some fantastic examples of scientific theories that were, they were true in the time that they were true until they, you know, couldn't prove something or something else was discovered. And then suddenly it wasn't true anymore. And then everything changed and everybody changed how they're thinking about it. Gravity was a force. And then gravity became the effect of the bending of space time. But for a long time it was a force and it looked like a force and everybody thought it was a force. And people would speak about it as if it was a force with complete certainty until it wasn't anymore. And it took decades to accept that because people thought Einstein was off his rocker and didn't really make sense. So, you know, what I like to say is literally every single scientific theory that has ever been held as rock solid true has been proven false. Except the ones we believe are rock solid true today.

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[Dan Morgan]

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[Dan Morgan]

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What's the chances that 500 years from now those are all going to stand up.

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I mean, I hope that the Earth does go around the sun. So that is a rock solid truth. I mean, we. I hope.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I hope now figured that out a

[Jeff Carrera]

few hundred years ago. But. Yeah, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it took how many, how many decades, if not hundreds of years for it to be accepted as. As well. So, yeah, there are some scientific truths that we do hold to understand today. But the reality of those truths are being questioned now by quantum physics.

[Jeff Carrera]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which it is now. Throwing things up. It's an upending materialism, which is what all science is based on is, if I'm not wrong, it's based on materialism that we live in a materialistic world and everything is solid and this and that. But now we discover that everything isn't solid. Everything is energy. And if you keep going down, there's actually no space between the electrons and the protons inside. So if there's no space, then what's holding it together? And then the concept of consciousness comes up and the conscious of thought and there's just. It just opens up. As Einstein called the quantum physics is the spooky. It's spooky, right? Something along those lines. Spooky science. Yeah, spooky. I don't want to talk about that.

[Next Level Soul Host]

They.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they ignore it. And isn't it true that when. Even when. And I think it's the early 1900s, if I'm not mistaken, when quantum physics started to really come up on its own. It's basically just been almost shunned for over a hundred years to the point where there hasn't been a lot of major advances in quantum physics. Am I wrong?

[Jeff Carrera]

Quantum physics, I mean, it's. I think it's still explored as far as I know. You know, I mean, look, when I was an undergraduate, the big thing was like super string theory.

[Next Level Soul Host]

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[Jeff Carrera]

And that was the big thing. And that's what people were getting into. That's been. That's more or less going by the wayside, you know, I mean, I don't know that that means it's untrue, but I've once heard it described as the theory that explains everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Jeff Carrera]

But it explains, essentially saying that a theory that explains everything explains nothing. Because no matter what, you can always, you know, you can always massage that theory to explain it. Which means a theory needs to have some things it doesn't explain in order to be, you know, sort of rock solid. So string theory went. Went by the wayside. There's still some proponents of it. But I don't think it's not, like, a major deal.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, let me ask you this. There's a concept in quantum physics. That is fascinating to me. And it really, really throws materialism completely out the window. Which is quantum entanglement. Can you discuss quantum entanglement. And how it relates to spirituality?

[Jeff Carrera]

Sure. Well, you know, quantum entanglement is. You know. And I'm not a physicist, but, you know, my understanding of quantum entanglement. Essentially means that if you have two particles, that. And then you separate them. No matter how far you separate them, they're connected. Which means if one has a spin in one direction. The other one will have a spin in the other direction. And if you change the spin of this one. This one will change. So I like to say that's like if you were in a gymnasium. And you had a basketball. You had two basketballs that were touching. And then you walked. Two people, took them to opposite sides of the gym. You put them on the ground. And you picked this one up and bounced it. And that one bounced. You know, And I. And I use this in the book, I think. But what I like to say is. If that happened in a gym. If we had two basketballs on opposite sides of the gym. And we bounced this one and that one bounced at the same exact time. We'd be freaking out. We'd be saying, oh, my God, this changes everything. We need to just massively step back and rethink everything. Everything about that we've ever thought about anything. But this has been happening at the quantum level. For a hundred years. And it's not really causing. You know, I think among scientists, it causes a stir. And among, you know, some people who are interested. But I think the. The world of quantum physics. Is so far removed from the everyday experience of reality. That it just doesn't figure as prominent where, as I said, if. If two basketballs were moving on opposite side of the gym. You know, Everybody in that gym would be freaking out. And probably, you know. Radically starting to rethink their worldview.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. And it.

[Jeff Carrera]

It.

[Alex Ferrari]

And so how does that play into the concept of spirituality. In the sense that spirituality, everything. When that word is so loaded. And has so much such a wide, you know, brush to paint this conversation in. But spirituality as the afterlife. Multiple realms, different realities. The power of thought, consciousness, the observer. All of these things. It kind of shows us a kind of a small little window into that. This quantum entanglement. Because it's showing us that we are connected. At a much deeper level. Than we Truly understand, because you and I are separated by arguably hundreds, if not thousands of miles. If at this point where you are in the world and where I am in the world right now, but yet we are connected at a different level that you and I understand on a spiritual sense, doesn't entanglement kind of give you a window into that?

[Jeff Carrera]

Sure. You know, what entanglement shows is that what we have always thought and what our common sense tells us are the limits of time and space. Aren't the limits of time and space that we're not limited by time and space in the way that we thought we were. Just like. It would be just like if, I don't know, turned my light switch on over here and your room went dark, it would be like, okay, that's weird. That shouldn't happen. So Thomas Kuhn in his book said that there's three ways that paradigm shift. One is that we run into a problem that we just cannot solve for love and money, no matter what, and eventually we have to give up on our fundamental assumptions. The second is someone has some kind of mystical, almost mystical realization, like Einstein did about relativity. There wasn't really any experiment. He hadn't really seen anything. He just thought about it. And the third one is when things that shouldn't be possible happen, and so you see something impossible, you think, okay, then clearly it's possible. So if two particles on opposite sides of the galaxy can show that kind of entangled connection, that shouldn't be possible because it should take some finite amount. Even if they are somehow communicating, it should take some amount of time to get there. And it's not, you know, so the. The two big. The two very popular quantum physics examples. One is quantum entanglement. The other is the. The photoelectric effect, which essentially says if you have two slits and you shine light through it, as long as you have two slits open, then you'll get a wave field on the other side. Because as the light goes through, it bends and they interfere with the light from this slit. And this slit interfere, and it creates a pattern. If you close one, of course, you don't get that pattern anymore, right? Because all the light's going through one side. It's not interacting with any other light. It just hits the wall. So, okay, that's normal. But then what they do is they just emit one little photon of light at a time, which means that photon could only be going through one slit. It's like a bullet, and there's no other photons happening. Now, when you have two slits and you shine just one photon through and you do one and another and another and another, then another, then another through the same slit, you end up with this pattern that should be happening because the light is going through both slits at once and interfering. But it's happening even though all the lights going through one slit. Right. And if you close the other slit, then you don't get the pattern. Right. So you get that you only get the pattern when both lids are open. But then it gets even weirder because if you put a detector on one slit and then you definitively know that the electron went through that slit, it doesn't make the pattern anymore. It's like it knows you know. Right. As long as there's some reasonable doubt, it'll make the pattern. But as soon as you're certain of which slit that it only went through one slit, it only reveals itself as having gone through one slit.

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[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jeff Carrera]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jeff Carrera]

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jeff Carrera]

So that's really weird.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, it is. Yeah. It's fascinating because, well, that opens up the whole idea of consciousness and the observer, which is been debated and thought about for millennia, of what is consciousness? Who is watching inside of our brain? There's a voice, there's a voice talking to us constantly. The ego. We call it the ego. But yet there's something observing that. What is that? Who is that? Is that the soul? Is that the higher self? Is that. What is that? So it's again, the observer watching determines a lot of what's happening. And that's what this, this experiment really is saying, is that if you're observing it, you're influencing it with your observation.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But if you're not, it does its own thing. That's, that's funky, man.

[Jeff Carrera]

Absolutely. You know, this, this is, this should be big news.

[Alex Ferrari]

This should be front page news. But we need to know how the Kardashians are doing. And with the, and going back real quick to entanglement with, there should be no, you know, between two, two particles and two different sides of the universe, there should be some sort of time delay, even the speed of light or something between that communication. But for my, my rudimentary research in just talking to near death experiencers, they talk about instant communication instantly being at another place with their thought, instantly being somewhere else that they can communicate telepathically. But it almost is instant in what they know. And an immense amount of a download of, of all universal knowledge, like instantly when they're on the other side. Not all, but some get that and they just go, oh, that's what quantum physics is kind of thing. They don't bring it back often, but this instantaneous information, and then you start getting into the akashic records and then that whole, like, how could you even process everything that's ever happened anywhere in the universe and then have complete total access to it instantly when you access it, like it's beyond the Comprehension of our time and space. Because there's a hard drive that needs to go get the information that brings it back. Or. Or a librarian that goes on its. Pulls out a book, brings it down. So this is what these. These. These are, again, I keep using the word windows. Because they seems to be windows into what reality truly is. Or what is beyond this time and space reality. But it's starting to kind of creep into our physical space. Does that make any sense?

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah. You know, I. When I wrote the book the Spiritual Implications of Quantum Physics. The main thing, you know, because I'm also not the kind of person. I don't feel like we can draw too many conclusions based on quantum physics. It's a very new science. It's very, very hard to observe. You know, it. The. The experimental results. This is what's amazing about some of these things. Like the photoelectric effect. I mean, that was discovered over 100 years ago. Kids do that in high school, you know. I mean, that's a very repeatable experiment. This is not, you know, but it's. So. It challenges our. Our fundamental conception of reality at such a deep level, you know. And then. So you. You have, on the one hand, people who just ignore it. Just say, okay, it's too weird. We. We just can't deal with it. On the other hand, you have people who just ex. You know, they. They extend that experimental data to reality. In ways that are completely unjustifiable.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Jeff Carrera]

You can't just say because of this X. There's a huge leap from the quantum level to the macro level that we live on. It's very hard to. But what I do want to make the point of is quantum physics is well established enough. That we can reasonably doubt the validity of our current conceptions of time and space. It's actually most reasonable to assume they're wrong. And even though they appear to be right at the level that we're interacting with them. And the laws. The Newtonian laws of physics work. Work great for things about our size. We now know that they're not the truth about reality. You know, that they just don't. They don't work at the quantum level. And that means they don't work, you know, not in terms of a. Which means we have to. We have to be willing to question our entire, as you've been saying, materialistic, you know, three dimensions of space and linear time view of reality. Not in terms of science as a useful art. You know, I mean, because that's working great for a lot of things, you know, I mean, nobody wants to get. To jettison science, you know, nobody wants to go back to a time before we understood everything we understand today. But in terms of an ontological understanding of the nature of reality, you know, when you want to ask big questions about who you are and what does it mean to be and what's the purpose of life? We need to be willing to extend that exploration beyond the materialistic world of time and space. It's not just about what is it? So that means that when you ask the question, what am I? You can't just limit it to this, the thing that exists inside this body. You have to look at it in terms of the consciousness that's asking the question, what is that? Because that consciousness, at least according to the photoelectric effect, actually has an effect. Just its observation has. It doesn't have an effect because it controls the body and the body has an effect. It has an effect just by looking. And what does that mean about who you are and about what's possible for you and your reason for being?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I mean, because right now, from my understanding of the quantum, what the quantum realm is that we're all made up of the same stuff. Protons, electrons. Everything's made up basically of, you know, the same stuff. But the question is, what is organizing that stuff into Jeff, into me, into this table, into this microphone? What is the organizing factor that puts us in these little packages? Because arguably, we're just atoms and protons and electrons scattered throughout the universe. But for whatever reason, we're. We're being organized in this. In this way. That's what quantum. Quantum physics essentially tells us. So the question that they can't answer, though, is what is the organizing factor of all of this? In spirit? In spirit. I've heard that this is a illusion that we all agree upon. Hence it has been created in that sense. This. Now we're getting into a little bit deeper in the spiritual side than the science side. But we are. We are in an illusion that we have created, and we all agree upon this illusion, and that's why we're here. What do you think of that idea?

[Jeff Carrera]

You know, personally, and, you know, you get to a place where you can't really offer any evidence.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course, yeah.

[Jeff Carrera]

But my experience resonates best with a view of reality in which I don't. I don't actually believe that reality is created from electrons and protons and particles. You know, I don't. I'm. I'm. Philosophically, I'm closer to being an idealist and idealism has its own problems which we don't need to get into. But fundamentally, I, I, I, you know, if I look at my own experience, I look, I was a scientist, I was an engineer for a long time. I worked with scanning electron microscopes that could literally see molecules in materials. You only see them as kind of little bumps, but, you know, it's very interesting. See molecules. This is kind of like when you were saying, you know, you look at the big bang and you could see something. What does it mean to see? What is it like a scanning electron microscope? What does that even mean? You're sort of, you know, you're scanning something with an energetic ray and then there's some kind of scatter coming off, and then you're interpreting that that means you're seeing something. Who knows if you're seeing, you know, a lot of what you're seeing is just energy. Right. There's no actual matter there.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Jeff Carrera]

But anyway, if I look at my actual experience, I was just thinking about this this morning, actually. I was, I was writing a piece and I was. And I was asking people, what proof do you actually have that matter exists? If you really think about it, you know, and you could say, well, I can touch this and I can feel it, but all you know is that you, you know, you have the experience of moving your hand, you have the experience of bumping into something solid, and you have the experience of some tactile sensation. There's actually no matter in that equation. It's all experience. And I don't know if you've ever had lucid dreams, you know, that was a, that was a big part of my journey, you know, and I was, I was an engineer at the time, and I used to be able to, with some regularity, wake up in my dreams and I would do things like that. I remember being in a castle, of all places, and I was sitting on the wind on the stone windowsill and I was running my finger across the rock ledge and there was water in it. And I was going, wow, this feels exactly like a real castle would. But I know I'm in a dream, you know, and I thought, this is really, this is really trippy because I know this castle doesn't exist. I know it's all in my head. And so when I was not in the dream and then I started looking at something, I thought, well, if I, if I was dreaming, it would feel exactly like this. And this is the question that, this is the question that Descartes asked in his meditations. You know, he was just, he decided he needed to, like, jettison all assumed knowledge and sit on his bed and question everything. And one of his questions was, how do I know this isn't a dream? Because if this was a dream, it would be exactly like this, you know, how do I know? And that's. I think reality is more like a dream than a physical place. And let's face it, the idea that we live in some kind of universe of three dimensions of space,

[Alex Ferrari]

it doesn't

[Jeff Carrera]

totally add up because where does it go? It's just infinite. This was a problem. Even those guys in the Middle Ages, they knew this was a problem. Newton and Descartes, they were like, three dimensional space. Does that really make sense? It just goes infinitely forever. I can't remember who did it, but eventually they decided to ask the Pope because, of course, the Pope had had the direct line to all knowledge. So obviously. And the Pope said, this is, you know, I may be getting the story slightly wrong, but it's more or less this. The Pope said, oh, yeah, three dimensions of space are infinite. And the reason that's possible is because God is infinite and God can do anything. And that's what God did.

[Alex Ferrari]

That makes sense. It's very logical.

[Jeff Carrera]

So then you're like, okay, yeah. So they went, okay, let's run with that. Because we've got this whole science to develop, and we need this Cartesian background to base it on. So let's just run. The Pope said that he gave us his blessing. Everybody's gonna let us go. Let's go with it. And I think Descartes at some point came up with some theory about the pituitary gland, because nobody knew what that did. Oh, no. That was where. This is another thing he said. There's just so many things that we don't understand. How can my mind move my hand? At what point does my thought of moving my hand actually touch some skin and make the skin move? This was a problem for Descartes. Eventually he just said, oh, yeah, it happens in the pituitary gland. How do you know that? Well, because we have that gland, it looks like it's important. We don't know what it does. It must do that, you know? And this is like. And we've been running with this kind of Cartesian, Newtonian worldview for hundreds of years, and quantum physics is giving us a chance to really question, as you said at the very beginning of this call, our materialistic assumption about the foundations of reality.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, absolutely. And I love your. I love what you said there about touching and, like, what proof actually is there that we have material, something physical? And then I just go back into a video game, and in the video game, a character, Mario, is running to save a princess. And as he's running, he runs into a block. It's solid. He stops. He jumps over it. There's a turtle. He lands on the physical turtle. The turtle bounces and so on. All of that is programming. There is no Mario, there is no block. And when they run into each other, it is a set of programs in the code. That is a rule that when that Mario character hits that block, it's a solid thing that he has to overcome. Now, we're going deep down the rabbit hole here for a second because everything I just. So everything I just said really starts to make your head hurt, because we then arguably, which is something that the. The Vedas said 6,000 years ago, the Aborigine have been saying it for thousands of years that this is a dream, this is an illusion, that this is not the great illusion, Maya, that this isn't reality. And then you start getting into simulation theory, where now there's like, well, wait a minute. Arguably the math makes sense, that this could be a simulation, not as we know it, but as something far beyond what we can even comprehend and even Elon Musk said, 500 years from now, if technology kept going at the rate that it's going, we'll be able to create a simulation that is absolutely indistinguishable from reality. There's just no question. And that's 500 years. Mention we had 10,000 years, 20,000 years, we're a blip in time.

[Jeff Carrera]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it starts to make your head hurt, man.

[Jeff Carrera]

No, it does. In a good way.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Jeff Carrera]

I want to extend your video game reference for a second because. So here I am, I'm in my room, and I look around. I have visual evidence that this room exists. You're in your room, you look around, you have visual evidence that your room exists. We assume that all the space between here in Philadelphia and there in Austin exists. But, you know, I think reality is much more like a video game, where only what you need is rendered as you need it, because it takes up too much memory to hold. Like the whole landscape of a video game, you just render a little bit of it. It's like the holodeck in Star Trek.

[Alex Ferrari]

So wherever your eyes turn, it's there, right?

[Jeff Carrera]

It renders what you need, and everything disappears where you're not looking. Because why hold all that extra information if you're not needing it? You know you can. And what I do on retreat, because, you know, so. So this is where the whole quantum physics thing gets a little wonky, right? Or. Or any of these ideas can get a little wonky. So if I'm, for instance, saying reality is rendered as we look at it, I don't know that. Right? I have. How do I know? I don't know. This is kind of like. It's just the same problem with, if you don't know what reality is, how do you know if you're closer to it? But what I like to do when I do things like lead retreats is I like to give people these kinds of thought experiments. And I say, okay, imagine that reality is being rendered as you experience it, and nothing beyond what you experience actually exists. And go through an afternoon really holding yourself to that view of reality. And if you do, you'll realize it could be true. And what I tell people is, you don't have to prove that something's true. You just need to prove that it could be true. Because as soon as you prove that something alternative can be true, it simultaneously proves that what you currently believe could be false. And what you realize is, if we lived in a culture, for instance, that believed that reality was constantly being rendered as you encountered It. And we were told that from the time we were kids and our scientists were saying that, and that's what you read about in books, and everybody was reinforcing it. That's what you would experience. You wouldn't have an experience that the room over there is existed right now. You'd have the experience that it emerged in front of you as you walked into it. Your literal sort of physiology, your nervous system would experience reality in this more emergent way rather than as a static background that's always there.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jeff Carrera]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What. What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24 7. 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com or an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Jeff Carrera]

And then, you know, you'd have to run two experiments. You'd have like one culture that developed that way and one culture that developed in this more static model. And then you look at them and go, okay, what's the differences? How does this one manifest? Does which one works better, you know, and who knows? You know, we probably can't do that. But I love to creatively find these kinds of experiments to work with for myself and with people. I'll give you another example. When I look at something like I have a statue over here, when I look at that statue, I'll have thoughts about it, thoughts about what it looks like or it happens to be a Guanyin statue. Thoughts about Guanyin, I'll have thoughts about China. I'LL have thoughts about Buddhism. I'll have thoughts about that particular statue and where I purchased it and why it's here. And I assume that I'm having those thoughts. So similarly, I will suggest to people for this afternoon. Assume when you look at something and you have thoughts about it. That those thoughts are coming from the thing you're looking at. That it's communicating to you. Rather than your thinking about it. And go through the whole afternoon looking at things and. And letting them speak to you. And again, you realize, well, if that's the way I had been raised to think. If that was the culture I lived in, that's how I would experience reality. I would experience that everything is alive and everything is communicating with me all the time. But because we live in a culture that sees ourselves as the only living. The only truly conscious thing. I mean, we're beginning to extend that a little bit into the animal world, you know, and, and. And some people even into the plant world slightly. But generally, for a long time, we've considered ourselves to be unique. And that we are unique thinking things. As opposed to most other things which don't think. But this turns it around. And suddenly you see, well, everything's thinking, everything's communicating all the time. The whole world is alive. And again, you'd have to run that experiment in a culture or a society for long enough to see how does that society manifest. Do they end up with a different science? The same science, a better science, a worse science? Do they have the same political problems? These are the things that. This is, to me, the big spiritual implication of quantum physics. Is it gives us reason to question everything about how we fundamentally think. Not to jump into some new conclusion that's probably not supported by the evidence. But to open our minds. Because I think the most important thing that we need in the world Is wide open minds.

[Alex Ferrari]

I couldn't agree with you more, my friend. I mean, one thing that I want to kind of dive in there to a little bit. Is that when. When we are. When we are. You said something really interesting. That when you're. If you have this belief from the moment you were born. That that life is being rendered out as you believe that was your belief system. Isn't that really remarkable that we all are just walking around with that programming in our head. Whatever we were born into is our view of life. And that. And if you were born in a certain kind of religion. Like you and I were both born in Catholicism. But both you and I said doesn't make a lot of sense to Us. So we started to go off in our own direction to explore. We were curious. We didn't buy into the programming. Not that there's anything wrong with that programming for other people. Everyone's got their path. But if you think about that for a second, that means that a lot of the biases, anger, frustration, resentments that you might have in life are based on programming that you got when you were a kid, when you were a child. And if it's just programming in your head that you can reprogram yourself because, I mean, I went to Catholic school with priests and nuns in the whole ball of wax. That's pretty hardcore programming. I mean, I look back at some of my first grade notebooks and I was just like, this is complete brainwashing. Like I was being gaslit. As I'm like, really, I'm like this. I mean, I was. Because you know nothing else as a child, you are, you know nothing of the world. So whatever someone tells you of people of authority, you believe. Again, doesn't make it bad or good. Depends on what the programming is. But if we can, then that means we can reprogram ourselves to think differently, to open our minds and to be curious about things like quantum physics is doing for not only science, but really if people really dig into it, to open our minds to all sorts of possibilities.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right, Absolutely. And, and you know, you, you mentioned that you and I both have. Have moved, have left the faith and I, I actually have come to really appreciate the Catholic faith myself.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely. Agreed, agreed.

[Jeff Carrera]

I'm probably more into it today than I was.

[Alex Ferrari]

I talk more about Jesus now than I ever did.

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah, exactly. Because now I see it from a different perspective.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[Jeff Carrera]

The reason, part of the reason you and I were able to make that shift is because we actually live in a modern culture.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Jeff Carrera]

If we lived in the Middle Ages, there was no shift to make because there was no alternative. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's no ideas were this and that's it.

[Jeff Carrera]

There literally was nothing else to see. You know, there's nothing else to see. There's really no, there's no chance. Only with the advent of modernism a few hundred years ago did people start, you know, there were no atheists, you know, a thousand years.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Jeff Carrera]

It wasn't real. It wasn't even like then they may not have been practicing for one reason or another, you know, I have no idea. But it was actually the worldview that we live in or that people lived in. So. So we don't live in that. So there's a few things I like to say about that one is there's a personal conditioning that we encountered in our lifetime. But that conditioning, that programming to use your language, it exists in the culture around us. We're constantly being reprogrammed over and over again. So I like to use this example. Imagine you went outside one day and you saw an alien sitting in the top of a tree. And you were like, holy shit, there's an alien on top of that tree. And then there were a lot of people. Maybe it was a top of a building, and it was a busy New York. It was like Times Square, you know. And you grab. Somebody said, holy shit, look at that. And then they looked up and said, I don't see anything. What are you talking about? You'd be like, huh? You ask someone, ask the next person, look at that. And they. They said, I don't see anything. And then you ask a few people. Now you've created a little bit of a scene, and people are stuck on what's wrong with this guy, you know? And I ask people, how long would it be before you started to doubt what you were seeing? And even more interesting, how long would it be before you stop seeing it all together, right? And that's the way that we're constantly being programmed by the opinions of people around us. So you and I were raised Catholic in a very secular, very modern culture. So, yes, we inevitably. Our Catholic cultural background, you know, we came into contact with a modernist background. And, you know, we made a leap to me. I went whole hog into the modernist scientific paradigm. I studied physics. I was an engineer. And at some point I thought, oh, this is just another worldview. And this one is the one that's dominant right now. So this is the one where, you know, if I say, oh, I don't believe in Catholicism, nobody goes, really?

[Alex Ferrari]

Why?

[Jeff Carrera]

You know, people like, oh, yeah, of course you don't.

[Alex Ferrari]

But 100 years ago.

[Jeff Carrera]

But 100 years ago would be different.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very much so.

[Jeff Carrera]

But if I tell people I don't believe in matter, they're like, huh? Why? Matter isn't any more proven than God was. It's just what we all believe in. And, you know, matter, the materialistic viewpoint is so pervasive in our society. It's not just that modernists believe in it or scientific people believe in it. Catholics believe in it. You know, everybody believes in it. Now that isn't that materialistic worldview wasn't the original worldview of Catholicism, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, God, Catholicism has changed so much.

[Jeff Carrera]

Enormously, right? It's. It's modernized because In Catholicism, we were all children of God, you know, and people, they meant that it wasn't just poetic. They didn't mean we were born of God. But they, you know, they, they talked about we're all thoughts in the mind of God, that kind of thing. And it was a very different worldview. So how do you, this is, this is my question philosophically. How do we liberate ourselves from worldviews? How do we be open minded enough and free enough not to be trapped by any worldview? No, we can move through them. We can use them for what they're valuable for but without getting adhered to them so that we're always available and ready for a shift.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, I have an answer that I believe is an answer to that question. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Jeff Carrera]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show is everything you're talking about is outside of us but the truth lies within which is what the eastern philosophies and, and, and thoughts and ideas have been saying forever. Which when you meditate, which I know you're a heavy, you're a meditator as well as I am. You start to go inward for information and when you. And it's hard for people who, who don't understand that to get but there's certain ideas and knowings that come from looking within for the answers which is the opposite of what this society says. It's. Everything's outside of us. You have to go read a thousand books. You got to go do this and got to go do that. But the east tells us and those. The yogic philosophy specifically is you go inward, and as you go deeper inward, information becomes apparent. Knowledge and truth becomes apparent. That's what the great yogis say. That's what the great masters have said. Jesus said it, Buddha said it. These are not. Not Alex saying this. This is something that has been stated. So if you are constantly looking exteriorly for the answers, you're gonna get a thousand different answers every time you read someone's book. No offense. You wrote a book, I wrote a book. It is our perspective, our worldview on what we wrote. So I know a lot of yogis are like, I don't read books anymore. Anything I find is experiential or it's internal to my own experience. So do you. Do you find that a fat. A satisfying answer?

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah, it's satisfying. It's. Yeah, it's. This is one of those answers where it's. It's true and tricky.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, very tricky.

[Jeff Carrera]

Absolutely. Because what the. The. The truth you find inside is not the kind of. It's not even sort of the same domain of truth that you find on the outside. Right. It doesn't translate that well to the outside.

[Alex Ferrari]

It doesn't.

[Jeff Carrera]

It's. The. The translation is very tricky and most often goes wrong. But yes, because when you go inside, you start to see the truth about who you really are and about the nature of reality. Not the nature of this reality, the one outside. Right. But the deeper reality. Because what I find when I look inside is I am the awareness that is aware, and that reality is a manifestation of that awareness. And I am that. You know, That's. That's what you know. And what does that mean, you know, that doesn't translate well, usually to the outside world, you know, roaming around saying, I am that, you know, I am the awareness that is aware. That doesn't really work. It's not exactly. What. It's not an accurate representation of what you feel inside when you just land in that place where. Okay, so one thing. I don't. I don't know. I know we're running out of time, but I gotta say, we have time. Okay. Have you read the book Flatland?

[Alex Ferrari]

I have not. I've not read the book.

[Jeff Carrera]

It's a very short book. Half of it's sort of irrelevant, but the parts that are good are good. And this this relates to the, to everything we've been talking about. So Flatland is, is a story written in like the 1890s biased school teacher. And it's, it's about people who live in a world called Flatland. It's a two dimensional universe. They're circles, they're squares. But because they're a two dimensional universe, they can only see lines. Right? Because anything above the flat world or below the flat world doesn't exist to them. They don't, they don't have that dimensionality, they just have the Flatland dimensionality. And then a sphere from a higher dimension crosses through. Can you believe someone was writing this in like 1890? Are you kidding me?

[Alex Ferrari]

This is fascinating already.

[Jeff Carrera]

I think we're so smart, you know, but just because we don't read.

[Alex Ferrari]

A school teacher. A school teacher in 1890s wrote this. Right, right. So.

[Jeff Carrera]

So the sphere comes. So from the point of view of, of this person in line in Flatland, it begins. He just hears this voice coming from nowhere. And he's like, where the hell is this voice coming from? And they say, where are you? And the voice is saying, I'm right here. And he's saying, what do you mean right here? I'm right below you. What's below? What does that mean? And he says, well, hold on. And then this fear crosses through the plane of the Flatland. But of course, all the Flatland person sees is a line that just appears out of nowhere. And he says, oh my God, where did you come from? And he said, well, I just came from right there, right next to you. And the story goes on to give you a thousand different ways to experience what one more dimension is like. And lots of theorists at that time were writing about the fourth dimension. And if there is something like the fourth dimension, which I believe there is, you could imagine a couple of things. For instance, if I was in a fourth dimension, so that is a dimension that exists outside of these three, and I had two hands and I poked one finger up over here and one finger up over here, those two fingers would appear simultaneously in three dimensions, right? And if I could move one like I could move one one way and move the other one the same, and you think it was magic because those two things shouldn't be able to communicate through three dimensions that quickly. But from my point of view, it's completely normal because I'm connected to the whole thing. And this is how I think, just think our thinking needs to expand to include the fact that we live in a. This is where I agree with at least in principle, superstring theory, we live in a reality that includes more dimensions than the normal ones that we perceive. And the way higher dimensionality works is whatever dimensionality you're in. So let's say it's a cube. A cube is bounded by two dimensional squares, right? So there's six squares, you put them together and you get a cube. A cube is a three dimensional space, is bounded by two dimensional squares. So the two dimensional squares are the edge of a third dimension. They don't exist in that dimension, but they bound it. Which means our three dimensional world is the edge of the fourth dimension. So somewhere in a direction we can't possibly imagine, we are the edge of a whole other dimension of being. And we have no idea how that intersects with these three. And there's a lot of great thinking around it. You know, there is a. He's not alive anymore. He was a, I don't remember his name, but he was a scholar of religious studies and he believed because in the fourth dimension, you know, you would have access to all time in three dimensions at once. So he believes that all of the history of spirituality and religions on earth is actually an encounter with a higher dimensional being that's been passing through our three dimensions.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like the sphere, right?

[Jeff Carrera]

Like, like, like the sphere. It just, and, and we experience that as happening across time. But of course, from the point of view of the higher dimensional being, it's all happening at once.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's really interesting because again from my, my research in near death experiences, that is a concept that has been said multiple times, that everything happens at once, that there is no time on the other side, which is hard for our materialistic minds to kind of grasp, that everything happens all at once. Which then opens up a conversation. Because I always wondered, psychics, how do they know the future? I've had experiences with, with psychics and mediums that they know things and things happen. I'm like, since I was a kid, I'm like, how is that possible? You know, it's not just broad strokes, like you're gonna meet a mysterious stranger kind of stuff. Very specific, provable, evidential kind of predictions. So then when I started, when I started doing this show, I started really getting deep into it. It was like I asked from spiritual masters to nd ears to channels, if everything's happening all at once, then is there free will? And they go, yes, it's that there is probability of what will happen. You and I are having this conversation. The probability of you bursting into flames out of nowhere or Me turning into a, you know, a balloon. Probably not going to happen. But is it possible? Maybe there's a probability in some universe that that could happen. Right, but, so, but there's probability on a direction where everything is going, but where it goes, it kind of wiggles. There's a wiggling of that free will. And sometimes it goes. Makes a left turn or makes a right turn and you're just. It's off track. And that happens a lot of times. But. And then that's where I came up with the idea. I think I did. At least I haven't heard it from anybody else. That we're God's algorithm. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to do take your call. 247365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show that we are. Because algorithms are programmed to do one thing, but then they start to kind of go in the direction that they want to kind of go in. But there's a probable way that the algorithm is going to react to its environment, correct?

[Jeff Carrera]

Yes. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's really, it's, it's really interesting. So are we all just sitting in Plato's cave, essentially?

[Jeff Carrera]

I think kind of we are.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're all sitting in Plato's cave. For everybody who doesn't know that the famous allegory of the cave. Can you tell everybody what the allegory of the cave was and how it. It kind of under really so profoundly explains our reality.

[Jeff Carrera]

Well, I was telling you about the book written 100 years ago, but this is thousands of years ago.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Carrera]

So everyone's sitting in a cave, there's a fire behind them, and they're all chained so they can only look forward. And all they see are their own shadows on the wall. And so they think those shadows are who they are, and they think those shadows are reality. And then the idea was someone was the ideal was to break your chains and turn and face the source of the light. And I like to extend that cave analogy to say, not only do you want to see the fire burning behind you, you want to walk out of the cave. Oh yeah, what else is going on? You know, but you know, it's a brilliant metaphor for the fact that, and it relates to what we've been saying. You know, where I was saying earlier, how do you know matter exists? All you really have is experience. And so the experience that we have as human beings is like the shadows on the cave wall. And we assume that those shadows that the experience we're having, that it's real in some material way. We believe in the worldview that says, when I touch this table, I'm touching a something. And the opportunity we have is to unshackle ourselves from those assumptions and see, okay, like you said, so the turning to see the fire in the cave is what you described as the turning inward to find the light of awareness within. So you see, okay, well that's what's real. That's what's creating the whole appearance of reality is, is that which is within me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And, and it's. Then you start, then the heart, the head really starts to hurt. And that now for everybody listening, I'm going to make your heads hurt even more with this next part of this conversation. Again, speaking to these near death experiencers and spiritual masters that I've spoken to that everything is happening all at once. And then I brought the question up. Well, what about past lives? If you believe in reincarnation and you believe that we come back and come back again and again to experience and grow as a soul and evolve, they say, well, there is no past because past is something that we believe. And, and we understand here in the third dimension as time and space. But in the fourth dimension there is no time and space. So all lives are happening at the same time. And then you start going, I'm sorry, what? So all of these other past lives that you've had and all future lives that you have are all happening at the same time. But your awareness is on this life right now. But there's things that happen in this life where you can break karmic chains of older lifetimes by battling and confronting and overcoming those experiences now, where then ripples back, doesn't even ripple. It just happens the other lifetime. You see, you see where this conversation could go. It could just. You just. It gets, it gets funky.

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah, absolutely. And, and again, it just keeps reinforcing the point that there's just so much we don't know. Oh, my God, what's real. So it starts to become more. It starts to feel more and more ludicrous to assume that you know what's real. And it feels safer to assume you don't, because the chances that we've figured it all out already are so slim. But it's difficult for human beings to deal with the insecurity of not knowing. And yet I think if we can find a way to do that, to not be so sure we know what's real, then we can open. And as we open, more of what's real shows up. More of what's real is available. We may never get to the end. There may not be an end to get to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. There's just a constant state of evolution or growth or, or yeah, it starts to get to this place of man. It just starts again. Hurts the head to even start to contemplate these kinds of ideas. But then there's something like quantum tunneling and the ideas of parallel universes or the multiverse as magically started to really become more popular. This idea of the multiverse, it's starting to hit the zeitgeist big because movies are talking about it. Comic books have been talking about the multiverses for probably 30, 40 years, 50 years or so. But now it's like, you hear there's movie titles, there's TV shows, there's books. The multiverse, the idea of the multiverse, that there's multiple versions of us, experience. So then, so our parallel lives are this. In this experience on this planet. But imagine if. Then you just turn and you just ripple it out into an infinite amount of universes and ideas. What's your thoughts on that?

[Jeff Carrera]

Man, that's awesome. I mean, I, I, besides the other things I write, I write fiction and. Right. I created a fictional imprint called trans dimensional fiction, which, its point is to write books about transdimensional reality. And so in various ways, the fiction I write is always about usually, Usually it's about a character who has no idea what's going on and starts encountering multidimensional reality and then has to deal with it in some form or another. But I started writing that fiction four or five years ago. I think I've written six novels or something to date. But I started writing fiction because I believed these things, but I was too afraid to say I believed it. So I thought I'll write fiction about it and then eventually I'll find the courage to talk about it as reality. And I've caught up to my fiction now because I'm not afraid to say that we live in a multidimensional reality and that we are all regularly encountering higher dimensions and higher dimensional beings. It's just that we sort of filter them out of our experience and. Or we explain them away in three dimensional terms. But.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like the alien on the building.

[Jeff Carrera]

Like the alien on the building, exactly. Do you know Jeffrey Kripal?

[Alex Ferrari]

The name sounds familiar, but I don't know.

[Jeff Carrera]

Okay, so Jeffrey Kripal's a professor over at Rice University, so I guess not too far from you. Closer to you than me, I guess. He writes a lot of amazing things about higher dimensional realities and UFOs and really speaks to this idea about the limitations of our current worldview to accept realities beyond it. But he wrote a book called Mutants and Mystics, and what he said in that book, and higher dimensions of reality are part of that. But what he's saying in that book is in the modern era because there isn't any. There is no room for kind of our weird spiritual experiences, you know, that we can't. You know, we don't live in the Middle Ages where you would just become a monk if you were having those experiences, you know, or there was place. There's no place. But what, what he explores in this book, and it's a. It's a great book. Is that where a lot of this stuff ended up jumping off? What you said earlier is in comic books that people were having these really powerful experiences of alternate realities and alternate possibilities. And. And when you have those, some people just need to express them.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan And Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247-365- wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. And.

[Jeff Carrera]

And so they were finding their way into Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Flash, flash vision, you know, all of them. And when I read that, I realized that when I was a kid, I loved Captain Marvel. Now in those days, this is this. That the Captain Marvel I loved in the 70s when I was a kid has died at some point. So he was a man. But his superpower was cosmic awareness. And a big part of his journey was this spiritual path he went on because he was a great Kree warrior.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Jeff Carrera]

But he met some higher dimensional being who said, you know, you need to go beyond just warriorship. You know, you need to do battle with your inner demons, and you need to discover the true power of being. And what he discovers in the end is cosmic consciousness, which in the comics means whenever he needs to know something, he can release his awareness into the cosmos, and he essentially gets that download of all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jesus. That's profound.

[Jeff Carrera]

Isn't that amazing?

[Alex Ferrari]

I went back and found character, and

[Jeff Carrera]

I was like, wow. I was reading this when I was like 7, and I loved it. No wonder I ended up on a spiritual path. So now I claim that Captain Marvel was my first spiritual teacher.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, I mean, and you go, if you go into, don't get me geek, I'll start geeking out with you, man. But I know, but I could. I could start geeking. There's a Yoda behind me. You'll understand. But you start. You start getting into. Even in the concepts of the Marvel Universe. And I won't go too far in this guy. So please don't, don't stop watching. But in the Marvel Universe, there's. There's our reality and then there's something called the watcher.

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And the watcher watches and doesn't interfere. He Just watches what's happening. He's always kind of in the background. And there are some storylines where he does eventually have to kind of step into certain things because it's going to change the fabric of all the multiverse and stuff. But that concept that there is something higher than you watching all of this, watching us, watching the, the events unfold, however they might, in a negative quote unquote or a positive quote unquote, there is this watch or this idea of something bigger watching, and there's something bigger than it, as I think there is something big. There are higher dimensional beings than the watcher as well. So it's, it just really starts to. It's really interesting though. You know, I come from Hollywood and I come from storytelling and how stories in movies and in books and in comic books, these ideas are filtered there first. I mean, without H.G. wells, I mean, the ideas that H.G. wells dropped in Time Machine were revolutionary and spawned an entire generation of people interested in science or achieving to think about a concept of a time machine and going back in realities just. It all starts in fiction. It really does spawn in fiction. I think it comes through fiction first because it's more palatable that way.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then it grows from there. But do you agree that throughout our existence as human, as humans in, in this reality, that ideas are presented at the time that they need to be presented? When the, when the, basically when the, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. Jesus brought in some ideas that still ripple to this day. When he showed up, Buddha showed up and brought ideas, because before them there was these ideas didn't exist in the way that they presented them. They're the energy that they presented them. And then fast forward to where we are now, where we're talking about quantum physics and spirituality in an open forum where before you and I would have been killed.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right. Well, that's, this is the, the good, the good news about the modern era is that generally, at least in, in most places, you don't get killed for generally.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's a big generally, by the way.

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah, it's generally. I mean, more so than in the past.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right now we just get, you know, flamed on Twitter.

[Jeff Carrera]

Yeah, exactly. There are repercussions for sure. But you know, at least we get to live generally. We don't generally get to mistake. Right. But yeah, I, I agree. And I think it's another reason I started writing fiction was because I thought, oh, it might be a better medium for expressing certain things. And there's an American philosopher named Richard Rorty, who I was very fond of. He's no longer alive, but he died about a decade ago. But he was an academic philosopher his whole life at Princeton, a lot of time at Princeton anyway, and very prominent American philosopher. But at some point he started to talk about. And I got very inspired. This is a big part of my inspiration for writer. He started talking about how he felt that literature was actually a better vehicle for new ideas than philosophy. And part of his reasoning for that was he said because the ideas are happening within a story which has characters in which you can not only convey the intellectual content of the idea, but you actually are able to demonstrate the emotional quality of it as well. It's a much better vehicle for communicating. And when I read that, I thought, that's interesting. I want to explore that. I want to explore how I can convey the ideas that I love in fiction in ways that might be easier for people to absorb than in a non fiction, you know, explanation of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, how many, how many generations have been affected by Star wars and the spiritual concepts that were laid in there?

[Jeff Carrera]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

How many scientists were created after they watched the Matrix because of the philosophical and spiritual and quantum physics ideas that were laid in that amazing story, in that amazing first film that it brought it to. To the zeitgeist, to humanity in a way that an academic paper couldn't. Absolutely. Like you. The concept of like, we're in the Matrix, it's not part of our lexicon, it's part of how we speak. Like, oh, there's a glitch in the Matrix. We're in the Matrix. This isn't the. That's simulation theory. That's also Maya. That's also the great dream, the illusion, but brought in. I mean, sure, there's some cool Kung Fu in it. There's a really great action story in it. His ideas started to make people think about this stuff in a weird way. Now on a lesser level, but still, all these movies about the multiverse, like the Marvel films and other things like that, they're quantum level and all this kind of stuff. There's seeds of these ideas and concepts that try to have a conversation about quantum physics with a kid, you really can't do that. But you let them watch Ant man and the Wasp. Quantum. It's a. Obviously it's not quantum physics, but it begins the conversation to them to delve in deeper to these ideas and concepts. It's a very. Stories are the most powerful medium. He's absolutely right. Stories have always been the most powerful medium. To get ideas across.

[Jeff Carrera]

Absolutely. I completely agree. And again, it's tricky because stories can accurately or helpfully healthfully convey ideas, and they can distort ideas. There's all kinds of possibilities. But I am in complete agreement that the story is a very powerful medium for communication.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now, Jeff, I could talk to you. It seems like I'm gonna have to bring you back because we're gonna talk for hours about this stuff.

[Jeff Carrera]

We're gonna have to do it again sometime.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm gonna ask you a few questions. I ask all of my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Jeff Carrera]

A fulfilled life, to me, is a life where I am sharing what I love.

[Alex Ferrari]

The most beautiful answer. Now to piggyback on H.G. wells. Imagine you can get into a time machine and go back in time to speak to your younger self. What advice would you give him?

[Jeff Carrera]

I would. The advice I would give him would be, don't worry too much. It's all going to work out.

[Alex Ferrari]

That is the most common answer to that question.

[Jeff Carrera]

Is that true?

[Alex Ferrari]

It is one of the most. In very different flavors, but all the same concepts, like, it's gonna be fine.

[Jeff Carrera]

Right. Because you look back, we're worried about everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're worried about getting an F on that test. We're worried about that girl who didn't want to go out with us. We were worried about it, like, worried constantly. And now you look back up, it's gonna be fine.

[Jeff Carrera]

Exactly. You can't predict what's going to happen anyway, so don't even bother worrying about it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Exactly. How do you define God?

[Jeff Carrera]

I define God as the. The potential for all that is. The potential for all that is. And all that. All that can be.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say, hi, Dan.

[Jeff Carrera]

Hey.

[Dan Morgan]

How's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 1. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and better and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an Accident.

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Jeff Carrera]

To become as complete an expression of that unique potential of God that you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully stated, sir. Now, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Jeff Carrera]

It's very easy. You just go to my website, which is jeffcarrera.com and I'll make sure to

[Alex Ferrari]

put that in the. In the show notes, my friend. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

[Jeff Carrera]

You know, I just, I do what I do, you know, I've been writing and teaching for 30 years now, and I just do it because I love it. And I want more than anything else for people to love their life and love what they did because I feel like that's how you become an expression of the divine, by loving your life, loving yourself, loving the people that you come in contact with, just passionately loving your time here in this incarnation. We have a little amount of time and I just want to support people to love it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jeff, it has been a pleasure and an honor speaking to you today. It has made my head hurt. I'm sure everyone listening's head is hurting a little bit. But this is one of these conversations that there are a lot of seeds that just got thrown up onto the dirt and they will start to weeks from now, you'll start thinking about this conversation. I know I will. So I appreciate you and what you're doing in the world, my friend. Thank you again.

[Jeff Carrera]

Thank you very much, Alex. Thank you.

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[Podcast Host]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Podcast Host]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Podcast Host]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Awesome.

[Podcast Host]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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