FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: Man DIED in NDE & Given ACCESS to His Many PAST LIVES (Near Death Experience) with Kelvin Chin

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: Man DIED in NDE & Given ACCESS to His Many PAST LIVES (Near Death Experience) with Kelvin Chin

Release Date: February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and thought-provoking episode, host Alex Ferrari is joined by Kelvin Chin, a meditation teacher, author, and near-death experiencer, who shares his unique journey of a near-death experience (NDE) and his ability to recall thousands of years' worth of past life memories. The episode bridges science, spirituality, and personal transformation while exploring what it means to awaken, overcome the fear of death, and live a conscious life, illuminated by both Kelvin’s rational pragmatism and his deep spiritual insights.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Early Life & Approach to Meditation

• Kelvin's Early Years
  • Grew up in Boston suburbs, regular childhood with sports and music ([04:08])
  • Parents were scientists; meditation was not part of his upbringing
  • Learned meditation in 1970 at Dartmouth College due to stress management ([04:35])
  • Approached meditation scientifically—drawn by research on stress reduction ([05:12])

“If you said the word spiritual to me back then, I would have thought, oh, spirits, ghosts or something.”
– Kelvin Chin, [05:12]

• Early Meditation Experiences
  • Noted “being unaware of body and surroundings” during meditation, though didn’t label it as spiritual ([06:27])
  • Meditation led to decreased anxiety

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Near-Death Experience (NDE) – The Drowning Incident

The Event

• At age 19, Kelvin experienced a life-threatening riptide while swimming at Torrey Pines State Park, La Jolla, after just having learned meditation ([07:40])
• Caught in a rip current and swept out to sea approximately 1.7 miles
• Exhausted, he “popped out” of his body, observing himself from above ([10:50])
• Recognized the state due to prior meditation, chose to return to his body “[I had a desire of no. And my mind went back into my body]” ([11:30])
• Eventually made it back to shore after an hour of swimming side-stroke

“My mind observed my body. That’s the only way I can describe it. I popped out… And then I just—no—back in.”
– Kelvin Chin, [11:30]

Reflections on the Experience

• Did not label or understand it as an NDE until decades later ([17:12])
• Describes it as more akin to an out-of-body experience, not the classic NDE with tunnels and light ([17:01])
• Meditation likely saved his life by enabling a conscious choice to return

“I don’t care what you label it... I almost died. And whatever it was saved my life.”
– Kelvin Chin, [17:14]

• Immediate aftermath: Feeling dazed, heightened awareness of mortality, but didn’t prompt a spiritual quest ([19:39])

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Developing Past-Life Memories

The Onset

• Began in 1977, seven years after starting meditation ([22:30])
• Initial memories began through vivid, emotionally intense dreams/nightmares
• First explicit confirmation: Recited a dream to a friend (George), who finished the dream—recalling their shared past life 2,000 years prior ([24:00])

“He finished the dream… I said, how did you know that? He said, because I’m the one who found you there 2,000 years ago.”
– Kelvin Chin, [24:00]

Expansion of Memories

• Memories surfaced in altered states following meditation (“not meditating, not sleeping, not dreaming, not totally awake”) ([28:11])
• Saw himself as a large red-haired knight in the Crusades, including later learning about specific characteristics—e.g., height, attire, and role ([31:55])

“I filled up the mirror. So I figured I was a pretty big guy… red hair, red beard, a white tunic and a cross on it… chain mail head to toe.”
– Kelvin Chin, [31:55]

• Notable ancient lives:
  • Sumeria (circa 6,000 years ago, 4,000 BC): Spoke a word in ancient Sumerian during meditation, later learning its meaning ([34:08])
  • Egypt: Served as a priest multiple times ([35:54])

Most Impactful Life

• Recounted a life as an African slave during the Punic Wars; survived a near-drowning after a shipwreck through sheer force of will ([36:24])
• The visceral lesson in survival has aided him in navigating adversity in this life (e.g., repeated layoffs in his career) ([40:34])

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Psychological and Emotional Integration

• Initial skepticism: Wondered for years if he was making it up (“I thought I had a very vivid imagination”) ([22:30])
• Went through emotional trials and identity crises, preferring to process experiences internally or only with a trusted friend ([42:14])
• Emphasizes learning from emotional patterns rather than past-life stories themselves

“It's not about who I was, it’s about what I did with it. That’s what my teaching has always been about.”
– Kelvin Chin, [44:28]

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Coming Out Publicly

• Hesitantly “came out of the past life closet” through his writings and public talks, notably the 30th November Talk (2014) ([45:47])
• Event convened due to direct communication (“visitations”) from “friends on the other side” and included others’ experiences ([48:02])

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Philosophical Insights on Consciousness, Reincarnation, and Humanity

Why Don't We Remember Past Lives?

• Not “chosen”; rather, it’s about openness, lack of fear (especially around death and shame), and willingness to process inner experience ([54:44])
• “The mind wouldn’t be able to handle it… trauma or shame could be overwhelming for most.” ([56:31])
• Emphasizes the importance of focusing on present emotional patterns for spiritual growth ([57:01])

Age of the Soul

• Latest memory: an ancient (possibly 8,000–10,000 years old) lifetime in the American southwest, as evidenced by visions and unknown languages surfacing ([58:51])
• Ongoing process: More memories surfacing, not all written in his current books ([59:19])

Between Lives Experience

• Described “flashes” of observing Earth from the “other side,” noting decisions to incarnate again around epochal events (e.g., before WWII) ([82:51])
• Remembers the “field of light,” non-physical freedom, and the continuity of personality traits between lives ([86:00])

What the Afterlife Is Like

• The other side is much “more like this side” than most expect ([89:14]), populated by beings with a wide range of personalities and unresolved issues
• Warns that power and brightness do not equate to wisdom—discernment is critical both on Earth and beyond ([92:37])

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Views on Civilization, Soul Evolution, and Reincarnation

Evolution of Humanity

• Challenges the assumption that technology alone marks civilization’s evolution ([64:33])
• Consciousness, not artifacts, is what truly evolves—technology comes and goes
• Progress often originates from a small subset of highly influential individuals ([66:46])

“It’s always a very, very small percentage of people who really move the needle in civilization.”
– Kelvin Chin, [68:49]

Explaining Reincarnation Rationally

• Uses the Law of Conservation of Energy as an analogy for the soul’s continuity ([70:48])
• Freely admits that no hypothesis about the soul is strictly provable—relies on personal experience, reliable evidence, and pragmatic observation ([73:31])

Life Between Lives & Choice

• Recalls decision-making processes in between lives (“choosing” time and circumstances to reincarnate) ([85:24])
• The soul, or consciousness, is a persistent entity beyond biology

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Memorable Quotes

“I’m not here to change people’s belief systems... I’m not a preacher. I’m a teacher.”
– Kelvin Chin, [70:48]

“Meditation really saved my life. If I’d had a classic NDE, my body would have been 60ft down and there’s no way I would’ve struggled to the surface.”
– Kelvin Chin, [16:15]

“Everybody has an ideal image of who they want people to think of them as... I’m secure within myself—who Kelvin Chin is, who Kelvin Chin has been in the past... I know who I am now.”
– Kelvin Chin, [56:33]

“The other side is more like this side than people realize... Humans don’t suddenly become geniuses or saints there. Old patterns persist until you, the soul, choose to change.”
– Kelvin Chin, [89:14]

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Closing Reflections & Advice

Definitions

• Living a fulfilled life: “Figure out what works for each of us… by trial and error, specifically looking at which desires and actions are working and which aren’t.” ([92:57])
• God: “I don’t see a need for God the way others define it. If there is no creation or end, no need for a creator of the soul; maybe of the body, but not the soul.” ([93:47])
• Ultimate purpose of life: “Each individual has their own purpose, and it’s developed and refined over lifetimes.” ([95:23])
• Advice to younger self: “Relax, open up. Maybe ease up on yourself and don’t be so hard on yourself.” ([95:48])

Final Message

“Relax, enjoy being in your biological body while you’re in it. Whether you remember it or not, you chose to come here… Try to do it in as least cruel and hurtful way as possible… Enjoy life, really.”
– Kelvin Chin, [97:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:08 – Kelvin’s life before meditation and NDE
• 07:40 – Detailed recounting of the NDE/drowning incident
• 16:13 – Analysis of NDE; distinction between classic and non-classic NDEs
• 22:30 – Onset of past life memories and first validation with a friend
• 31:55 – Detailed past life recall: Crusader experience
• 34:08 – Oldest past life (Sumerian memory)
• 36:24 – Most impactful past life: Punic Wars/African slave
• 54:44 – Why some access past life memories and most don’t
• 58:51 – Memories possibly extending 8,000–10,000 years back
• 64:33 – Views on human civilization and technological advancement
• 70:48 – Rational explanation for reincarnation
• 82:51 – Between life memories / decision to reincarnate
• 89:14 – What the afterlife is (and isn’t) like
• 92:57 – Lightning round: life, God, purpose

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Resources & Where to Learn More

• Kelvin Chin's Books:

  • Overcoming the Fear of Death (non-religious, practical guidance)
  • 21st Century Meditations on Living Life (essays on principles and emotions)
  • Soon to release: Book on afterlife and past life experiences

• Find him online: Google “Kelvin Chin” for all websites and YouTube channel (convenient links at the bottom of his webpages)

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Tone & Style

Down-to-earth, pragmatic, unsensational, and rational—with a warmth and openness defined by both Kelvin and Alex Ferrari. This episode is accessible for skeptics and spiritual seekers alike.

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This summary covers the essential conversation from Kelvin Chin’s NDE, the unfolding of his past life recall, lessons on spiritual evolution, the nature of consciousness, and what it truly means to live purposefully.

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Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I'd like to welcome to the show Calvin Chen. How you doing, Calvin?

[Calvin Chen]

Hey, how. It's good to see you.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Yeah, good to see you as well, my friend. I'm excited to talk to you. I've. I've had many near deathers on. I've had some people with past lives. I've never had a combination of both, plus other things that you taught me.

[Alex Ferrari]

You do cover a lot of stuff

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

in your work, sir.

[Calvin Chen]

I do, yeah. That's true.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So my first question to you, let's just get into it, is what was your life like prior to your near death experience?

[Calvin Chen]

Prior to my near death experience is pretty regular. I mean, you know, just growing up, suburb of Boston, born in Boston, you know, did the things, you know, sports, music, you know, studied and all that stuff, went to college. But the unique thing about before my near death experience was that I had Learned to meditate 2 years before I almost drowned. So that was the most significant thing. Other than that, everything's like in a regular kid growing up in the suburb, suburbs, you know.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So when you were learning to meditate, what year was that around?

[Calvin Chen]

That was 1970. I learned 1970 to meditate.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So then.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, so.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So meditation was not. You didn't have an app for it? Let's just put it that way.

[Calvin Chen]

No, no. In fact, some people have said to me over the decades, they've said, well, you kind of. You got an Asian last name. Did you grow up and then. No, my parents were scientists. They, they were not into like anything. They thought I was nuts. Learning to meditate, I mean, you know.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

But from what I heard, you actually approached it More scientifically, more evidence based than you did. Spiritually based, correct.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, spiritual. I didn't even know you said the word spiritual to me back then. I would have thought, oh, spirits, ghosts or something. Or I thought, I would think, oh yeah, I went to the Congregational church, but I didn't really pay attention, you know, that, that's what I thought spirituality was, was religion. So I really, you know, as teenager I didn't know what that meant. So no, I, I was stressed out. That's why I learned totally, you know, I, I, I, I wandered into a lecture hall at college. I went to Dartmouth College up in New Hampshire. And I was so stressed out. And the guy was talking about research on meditation that was just starting to be being done. It was the very beginning. It was the first medical studies ever done on meditation in the US Anyway by a guy named Herbert Benson. He was a cardiologist in Boston. And I ended up six months later being in his experiments. But they, the guy on the stage was starting to talk about cortisol, adrenaline, lactic acid. Those are the only three that I remember. But he's talking about all these different changes going on in the brain and the blood chemistry. And I thought, I need that.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So then when you started to meditate, did the spirituality start to creep in? Because just by the nature of meditation.

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[Calvin Chen]

And, and I guess the first thing that I, and I, and I didn't, the first experiences that I started having that you and your audience and I now would call spiritual, but I didn't think of it that way at the time was that I started being unaware of body and surroundings during my meditation. So people sometimes was I and I having an out of body experience or is just unaware of body and surround. People can parse that, you know, I mean, but because it's degradations, it's degrees. But I just thought, oh, I wasn't aware of my body and surroundings, never had that experience before. And then I'd come out of the meditation feeling like really refreshed and less anxious. That's all I cared about at that time. But yeah, later I started opening up in a more, let's say for me an unusual, because I came from a science background, so you know, these things are very unusual to me. I'm not thinking like I'd never read any spiritual stuff. I wasn't looking for anything like that. I didn't believe in reincarnation. I didn't know what it, what out of body meant. I didn't know what an NDE was. I just happened to have one that I didn't even know what it was called when I almost drowned. Right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So let's go. Let's go into it. So tell me about your nde.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah. So. So I'd been medicine for two years, as I said. I. I went out to study, intensive language study for the summer, like, at a year's worth in, like, two, three months at UCSD in San Diego, La Jolla. Right. And so I'm from the East Coast. I'd never been in the Pacific Ocean before. So I met this girl at registration. She'd never. She was also from New England. She had never been in the Pacific. I said, hey, let's go swimming. Let's go. We got class till tomorrow. So, you know, met her at registration desk. And we went down. There was nobody there. And people who know Torrey Pines State park right there in La Jolla, it, You know, the. The PGA Tour is. Is held at Torrey Pines, whatever it's called, the country club, whatever it's called there. And it's on the bluffs that overlook the Pacific Ocean. It's a gorgeous. I guess it's a gorgeous golf course. I've never been on it, but I've been on the beach, and. And it's 300ft down is the beach. There's cliffs. 300ft down is where we were on the beach alone. Nobody there. So you walk from ucsd, it's literally just, you know, cross campus, down the driveway. You're at the. You're at one end of the state park, and there's never any lifeguards or anything. So just the two of us there. Beautiful June day. Hot, sweaty. Go into the ocean, you want to dunk right away. I literally was in the. I probably walked in literally the waist deep and dunked and started seeing her get really. Get smaller and smaller. Smaller. I was getting pulled up, pulled out in a rip current. And those people don't know what a rip current is. A rip current is a river in the ocean, and it sometimes can move really fast. And they're all over the world, but they're not around Cape Cod, where I grew up. So I never knew what a rip current was. I learned quickly. And so I saw the cliffs getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And I asked a friend of mine who's a, you know, used to be, you know, a merchant seaman captain on these big, huge ocean ships, you know, freighters and stuff. I said, that was. Those cliffs, 300 foot high, were about 3, 4 inches tall. How far out was I? He said, 1.7 miles out. So I don't know. I was panicking. So I don't. It was seconds, minutes. I was panicking, but I was out there fast. And. And I started trying to swim back in, of course, and Hooden. Because I. I panicked. I. I did. I went right back into the current, which is what you're not supposed to do. So this just saves anybody's lives. I've been saying this when I tell this nde, you swim at an angle to the beach because that's going to increase the likelihood you're going to get out of the rip current that just pulls you out. Well, I forgot all my Boy Scout training, and I just. Because I panicked and I'm swimming back in and I'm going nowhere. And I'm probably getting even pulled out farther, seeing the cliffs get even a little smaller. I'm panicking. I start going. I'm exhausted. So now I start going down because I can't swim. I just. And I see the surface of the water, I'm holding my breath, I pop out of my body. My mind. That's the only way I. I can describe it. My mind observed my body. Okay? So whatever you want to call that. I popped out. I say I popped out. And I. And, and I. And I. And I realized what was, though, because I had been meditating for two years, every day, twice a day. I've been on some retreats, some long retreat. I'd meditated a lot for two years. Okay? I'd had this unaware of body and surroundings and separate from my. My mind, separate from my body experience, whatever you want to call that. Many, many times during those two years of meditating, I was familiar. I knew what was. It didn't shock me. It was like, oh. And then I, you know what? Whoa. And I. And I just. No, back in. I. I kind of. I. I didn't have a thought. It was a desire. It was a feeling of no. And I. And I. My mind went back into my body, struggled the four or five feet to the surface, and I just had one thought. Take your time. And that was it. And I flipped over my back, got my breath, and I did side stroke all the way in, she said, for an hour. And I did sidestroke intentionally because I didn't want to do breaststroke because I don't want to put my face in the water and risk taking water in because, you know, I was exhausted. So I did sidestroke, kept my head out of the water the whole time. I didn't want. And I tried sleeping swimming on my back, but the waves were kind of washing over me too, so. So I did sidestroke the whole way in.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Calvin Chen]

Kept my head above water. The waves would come over me every once in a while, but you know, my head was still out of the water. And she said, I. And I passed out for half an hour. She said when I, when I, when I got up on the beach. So that was my. So the meditation really saved my life because if I'd had a classic nde, you've had a ton of people on here I know, who talk about NDEs and you know, you hear them. Well, I'm on the other side. It's beautiful. It's full of light. I'm out of my body. My body. I feel no pain in my body. If they're experiencing pain, people, you know, I see Jesus or God or angels or my dead loved ones and they're welcoming. My body would have been 60ft down and there's no way after, you know, a few seconds. Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

You wouldn't have come back.

[Calvin Chen]

I wouldn't come back. I would have been, I would have been dead. I don't think I could have struggled 12ft up to the surface.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, let me ask you. So you were. When you say your mind, it sounds like your consciousness or your higher self or whatever the spirit had popped out of you and you were now witnessing what was happening.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And you could have arguably continued down that path, let's say, if you weren't educated in meditation and kind of felt that before.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And you made a conscious choice of going, nope, I don't want to go. And you just got slammed. Slammed back into your body and then you basically saved yourself. So there was no classic nd, no tunnel of light. No, no, it was, it was more of a, it sounds a bit more like an out of body experience.

[Calvin Chen]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

To a certain extent that, that moment, that, that moment. Because so, so traditionally something else.

[Calvin Chen]

Right. You hear, people will say, well, that's not really an indie. I said, well, I almost.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, listen, there's no question.

[Calvin Chen]

I'm not arguing whatever you want. Okay. I don't care what you label it. I Almost died. All right. And whatever it was saved me a lot. Save my life. I don't care what you label it, because I didn't even know what an NDE was till about five, six years ago. Oh, really? Yeah. No, no. I never heard the terminology until I wrote my first book about overcoming the fear of death. Then I researched this stuff. I said, well, wait a minute, did I have an nd? I didn't have a classic nd. So a lot of people may say, well, it's not really an indie. It's like, you know, it's like my end. Better than your ND people.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I saw more angels in my ND than you.

[Calvin Chen]

More angels in min. You didn't really have any. And actually I. Since I've been to, I've spoken at the International association of Studies, you know, ions. I. I was invited to speak. Well, I've spoken like three years in a row. First time I went to their group, it was to speak at their International Conference in 2019 in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania. And I heard people saying this in the, in the hallway.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, that's not a real. That's not a real nd.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes. Yeah, she didn't have a real nde. He didn't know my end. It was like people comparing indies. I'm like, really? I didn't even know what an NDE was. And so I don't need to call what I experienced in nde. I almost drowned. And I. And I didn't.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Right. And there was some sort of spiritual thing that happened at that.

[Calvin Chen]

Something happened. Call it. I don't care what you call it. I'm not, I'm not here to say I had an nde. You know what I mean?

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Fair enough.

[Calvin Chen]

Save people's lives if they get pulled out in the RIP car. And I seriously mean this. Don't do what I did. Swim at an angle.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So when you came back, I'm assuming that's a bit jarring. I almost, when I was, when I was a young man, I. I didn't think I had an NDE or an out of body experience, but I did almost drown. I was being pushed under by a bully in a, in a pool once. Young. I was really young. And it jars you. Jars you because at least for me, I was probably 11 or something like that and I was. I walked around like I almost died. I almost died. I almost so. And I was young, young kid. I can only imagine what happened. I mean, yours is much more intense. How did, what were the after effects of that event for you?

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, I was 19, 20 years old when this happened. And so, yeah, I'm walking around thinking what, what the, you know, fill in the blank just happened. I almost, that was it, right? I thought that was it. I was like, I got my, I'm like, Tina, man, I got my whole life again ahead of me. I'm like. And that was it. And mother Nature just, boom, pulled me out. Call it whatever you want. And it's just like how random I thought, you know, and like, yeah, so I was walking around a little bit in a daze like you said, like you were, you know, like, you know, for a while there. And then I just, I don't know, dived into life, I guess.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So.

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[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So it didn't, it didn't start you off on a spiritual path or anything like that?

[Calvin Chen]

No, no, I didn't think of it as a spiritual experience. I thought of it as I almost drowned.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

That's a physical experience.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, I know you call that whatever you call it, you know, but no, it was not a spiritual experience for me as it is for many people who have a classic nde, etc, etc because, because even, even, even having an out of body experience for many people can catapult them into a house. Right. But for me, I'd already had two years of. This is like very normal to me. It was normal.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And the thing is also too, the information in the 19, early 1970s was not as rampant out there like it is now. These conversations weren't happening. The concept of what's happening to you while you meditate, you were just like, whatever this is, I, I felt it before and I kind of felt better.

[Calvin Chen]

I felt better and my anxiety was going away. That's why I learned to meditate. My anxiety. And so when I had this feeling or whatever it is without scribing, I felt great and I, my anxiety was non existent then it would come back a little bit after as I open my eyes up. But you know, after months of this, my anxiety went away. I didn't care what it was called. I'm a pragmatist. So that's something about my personality. I'm a pragmatist. I'm not, I don't need to label stuff.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Calvin Chen]

And if to compare myself to other people about, I even know what spirituality was. But you know, to me my life was saved and I felt better from this thing called meditation and my anxiety had gone away.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So I was. So one of the, one of the main reasons I asked you on the show was because of your ability to remember your past lives. And not only you, you know, because I've had other people who remember past lives. I've had other people who remember many past lives. But you claim to be able to remember up to 6,000 years ago or more. Many, many past lives. So when did this insanity start for you? Because I'm assuming it hit you like a freight train.

[Calvin Chen]

It did. And it really. I thought I was a little cuckoo. I mean, sir, you talk about your insanity. I mean, I really thought that I was like. Well, I didn't think I was insane, but I thought I went in a really, really vivid imagination. That's what I thought about myself. I thought, I thought I was making it up. Okay, I thought this was fantasy. Well, first of all. So it's the answer your question. 1977, that's when it started. Okay. So I'd been mediting for seven years. And first of all, I didn't. The first experience I had, I didn't know anything to do with past lives. So it wasn't, it wasn't like a past life experience to say, oh, you know, you saw yourself or this or that. It wasn't like that for me. I had a dream. I thought it was a nightmare and it was a nightmare actually. I mean a bad dream, meaning nightmare, bad dream. But that's all I thought it was, was a bad dream. Like a really intense, emotionally disturbing, distressing bad dream. And so I just let let you know, I was a science major. You know, I didn't believe in reincarnation stuff. I mean, I would hear people by then, after seven years of meditating and you know, by then I was teaching meditation, I'd learned tm. I was an international leader with Maharishi's organization at that point. So I was in surrounded in some of these, you know, teacher courses with 500 or thousand people and you know, the food line and whatever. You hear people talk about reincarnation, you know, crazy people, you know, I just thought they were just making stuff up. I. So the dream that I had, I just thought was a bad dream until about six or eight months later, I was with one of my close friends, very close friend of mine. And I just started telling him the dream and he finished the dream. Like I just said, I had a really bad dream about six or eight months ago, George. And he just told me the whole dream. Yeah, you aligned the side of the road. You were crying all night. Your fits you. This is what you were wearing in the sandals and this is what your tunic looked like. And, and I went what? And so how did you know that? And he said because I'm the one who found you there 2,000 years ago. So that's how and I and and so he had told he he had had some of his memories started coming to him as memories, not as in my case, not not in a similar way as mine, but actually as actual memories a couple of years before something like that, before I mind this dream that I had.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Calvin Chen]

And so he had remembered who I was in our relationship, but he didn't tell. He intentionally did not tell me because he wanted to see if I surfaced something myself before he started saying anything. You know, he don't want to, you know, planting seeds. He wanted to be me. Me to be innocent and just see what happened. That's so that's what happened.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And, and then. So once you understood that there was a past life, when did you. When the others start coming in because

[Calvin Chen]

you remember many shortly after that I had some, some, some. Some pretty in a sense jarring to use kind of go down your road of, you know, what you were, you know, intimating in terms of the psycho emotional of what was going on. It was, it was somewhat jarring at first because again it was jarring not just emotionally. It was a jarring because intellectually I didn't believe in reincarnation. I'm still doubting even though he said what he said to me, I'm still thinking he's making it up, right? I'm still quite, I'm the ultimate skeptic. So I'm like, what? And then, and then I started. So here's one. One of the early ones is I was lying down after I meditate. I always lie down. I was. For those audience, even if they don't do my technique of meditation, it is. I always recommend people rest afterwards. Don't just jump up after you finish your meditation. Rest for you know, 5, 10, 15 minutes or something. So I'm in that mode. So I'm not meditating, I'm not sleeping, I'm not dreaming and I'm not totally wide awake. But I'm kind of in that in between wakefulness state. So I'm in that mode. And then like it was as if like a, like a TV screen like switched on in my, in my head and I, and I start seeing things like you see in a dream. But I'm not dreaming, right? You know how you, in a dream you can. You see things but you don't see yourself, right? You're seeing stuff in your dream. So you're looking through your eyes, your mind's eye. People sometimes you call it that, right? So I walk into this room in this experience, I'm just lying on a friend of Mine's living room floor. Because we all had six or eight of us said just meditated and just lying there resting and, and I, I, I go into this room and it's all stone, big, huge like stone blocks. Two, three foot stone blocks and floor. I look at the walls, stone, ceiling, stone. It's all big, huge stone room. And the ceilings. Maybe I don't 20, 30, 40ft up, something like that, you know, it's big, high ceiling and there's nobody in the room. I'm alone in the room. I look around and all the furniture is pushed to the walls except this one piece of furniture in the middle of the room. And it's a big, huge full length mirror. And so I walk up to it and it's the first time I'm getting chills done in this time. First time I walk, I've seen myself and I saw myself and I, I was a big, I filled up the mirror. I didn't know how big I was then, but I filled up the mirror. So I figured I was a pretty big guy. And I had reddish red hair, red beard, a white tunic and a cross on it. And I had chain mail underneath, full length, head to toe chain mail. Okay, and that. So that was the first ex. So then I don't know if it was. See, I never thought I'd be talking about this stuff because I just thought I would talk to my friend George and we, you know, over the decades and you're like, hey, yeah, we just, we'll just talk about it amongst ourselves. Now I've written a book, my third book's coming out. It's all about this stuff because I use it to help teach people get rid of their fears. But at that time, you know, I was what, 26 years old when this happened and 27 years old, something. And I thought, you know, I got my life, I'm living my life, you know, whatever. So I don't know exactly when the following thing happened that relates to this lifetime, but at some point it was 10 or 20 years later, something I, in my book, I guesstimate, you know, when it happened. But I started realizing how big I was. I, I had this knowingness the only way I can. I was 6 5, 6, 46 5, 225, 230 pounds. That knowing just, just came into my mind about 10 or 20 years later, about that lifetime. It's not that many people that big, you know, with red hair who were in the Crusades, right?

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

You're a beast. You were a beast.

[Calvin Chen]

I was a Beast. I was a beast. There's stories about me where I was on horseback to. So war horses were about 1400 pounds. The regular horses we would. Would river about 800, 8, 900 pounds. But the war horses had to carry us with all our chain mail. And you get 100 pounds of armor on you and you. And I was. And I was already 230, 40, 50 pounds. So, you know, I'm like, I'm like a 300, 350 pound beast on a horse. So we had 1400 pound war horses. There's stories about this guy who would go up to the. We called them Saracens then. This is a whole other experience I had later where I was yelling out Saracens. I didn't even know what the word meant. That's the word for Muslims before. Well, in the Middle Ages, I can't remember. It's in my book. I looked it up, but it's like before 14 or 1500 AD or something. 1600 we call Muslims is a relatively new term. But we called them Saracens. So I. There's a story about me, this big guy on this 1400 pound warhorse going up to several hundred Saracens.

[Alex Ferrari]

And.

[Calvin Chen]

And they saw him and they ran away. They didn't want to fight, of course. And it wasn't just me. It was me with my troops behind me. But I was in the front of the troops, right. I was huge. I mean, you know, you know, I'm outweighing them by £150. I'm like a foot taller than they are. Some of them you can only imagine

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

you look like the devil coming on horseback. I mean. Yeah, they never seen anything like it. So let me. So let me ask you, what was the. What's the oldest life that you can remember in a time or place that we don't might not know?

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, the oldest one that I remember, and it's really odd how it came up, is Sumeria, okay. Area 6,000 years ago, about 4,000 BC. Again, these are estimates, you know, whatever wise. But I know it was Samaria because I was sitting, minding my own business in my apartment alone in Austin, when I lived in Austin, Texas. And I was sitting alone, meditating. And then this. So in 1986, I started getting information from the other side just spontaneously again, just minding my own business, just started happening. So by this time, this was like five, six, seven years ago, this happened when I was living in Austin, Texas. I. I said something in Sumerian. I've never studied Sumerian before. Okay. I've never. I I heard the name, I knew it was an ancient civilization. I'd never read about it or anything like that. And I just knew that I. It was something in Sumerian, but I didn't know. So then what did it mean? I didn't know. So then I looked it up online and yeah, it's a. It's, it's. What is it, Asha? I think it was. It's in my book. Whatever. I've written these things down since, but, you know, and it means cosmic order. And I didn't know what it meant. I didn't know it was Sumerian. But in my meditation it came to me. This is Sumerian. This is what you called this person back then.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And that's the oldest memory you have or of your past lives and then you've had other ones up until you. I'm assuming you were in Egypt at one point or another.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, I've been Egypt several times. Yeah, several times. I was a priest in Egypt several times. But yeah, that's the oldest one. And I remember standing on my veranda. Veranda, second floor, five o' clock in the morning. I don't have a lot from that lifetime, but I remember standing on the veranda, five o' clock in the morning, watch sun come up over the city. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, let me ask you. What's the most interesting past life that you can remember?

[Calvin Chen]

Interesting? I mean the one I have the most. That there's several who are very. That are very interesting. Depends on how you define interesting.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I'm asking your definition of interest because it's your lives.

[Calvin Chen]

So although the one that has helped me this lifetime the most in a really nitty gritty way, not intellectually. Okay. But in a vis. Only way, is a visceral way and you'll see what I mean when I describe it to you was when I was a slave. I'm estimating it was around 2300 years ago or something like that in the Punic wars, fighting in warships. I was enslaved by the Carthage Carthaginians fighting the Romans. Okay, so the Carthaginians ruled the Mediterranean for many, many hundreds of years before the Romans got their act together and figured out how to build ships like the Carthaginians could. Okay, so the Carthaginians ruled all the trade, you know, you know, all the trade routes and everything. I was African at the time and the only reason I know that is because I could see my skin and I was very, very, you know, like, you know, sometimes people use the phrase of blue, blue, black skin, you know, very Very, very dark.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Pitch dark.

[Calvin Chen]

Very dark. Yeah. Blue. Black. And so I could see my skin in this experience and I was. This is one of my very early memories in this lifetime. Very early. So like 1978ish or something. I had this memory right after the first one. But

[Alex Ferrari]

we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you upgraded your everyday comfort? We talk a lot about self care on this show, but sometimes this is about the smallest things in life. The pajamas you sleep in, the blanket you wrap around yourself after a long day, and the sheets you sink into at night. I've been loving Cozy Earth lately a lot. Their bamboo pajama set is ridiculously soft, lightweight, breathable and made of the softest bamboo fibers I've ever felt. It keeps you cool and comfortable and honestly makes getting into bed feel like a little ritual. And their classic cuddle blanket. Next level. Plush, perfectly weighted and the kind of comfort that instantly helps you unwind after a long day day. Now what really sold me on them is their quality. They back everything with a 10 year warranty and a hundred night sleep trial. So you can try it out, really live in it and if you don't love it, you can return it hassle free. So if you want to bring a little extra comfort into your life, head over to cozyearth.com and use the code Next Level Soul for 20% off. And if you get to the post purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. And don't forget guys, take care of yourselves. Do a little self care. And these are the things that really make life a little bit more comfortable.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Calvin Chen]

And I was, I was dying. I had a nearing death experience then, too. Nearing. Not a classic nde, but I almost died on a piece of wreckage. There's a ship had gotten blown up or something that I was rowing on, so. And I willed myself to stay alive. That's why I say viscerally, it helped me the most in this lifetime because I've been through so many difficult challenges in this lifetime, not the least of which, I mean, this is not the only ones, but not the least of which is being laid off five times since I was 50 years old. You know, an age discrimination. Age discrimination is, is alive and well. Alive and well. Thank you. That's the phrase I was looking for, alive and well in the United States. They looked at your resume, got all this experience. Oh, you're gonna pay this guy that much money? Forget about it, you know, we're not going to talk to him. So at 50 years old, I've been laid off five times, you know, over the, over the next 15 years. And so that lifetime 2300 years ago of knowing how powerful my mind was to will my physical body to stay alive helped me ramp it up so that I could put on a good face in an interview to get a new job this lifetime. That makes sense, right?

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, but let me ask you, Kelvin, how did you deal with this psychologically? Because this seems like a lot of information. And you're not, you're not training in the spiritual space, you're not reading the Vedic texts, you're not, you're not studying with a yogi. No one's there explaining this process to you. So I imagine you gotta be like, the computing power in your brain has to be overwhelmed with.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes, sometimes. You're absolutely right. Yeah. I didn't read books, I wasn't, There were no YouTube videos back then. But, you know, I wasn't going to workshops, I mean, because I'm still kind of questioning this part of me. And seriously, there's still part of me. Even after all, for several years, I'm talking, I'm not talking like several experiences, I'm talking about several years worth of, I don't know how many hundreds of experiences over several years. Whatever, I wasn't counting. I'm still questioning whether I'm making this up. And so I, it was trial, to answer your question. It was, it was difficult for me at time, I, I was going, I went through some identity crises, like Am I. Make you know, who am I? You know, who am I? That's what identity means. Right. And so I was trying to figure this out myself, and I kind of trialed and errored it, if that makes sense. Verb. It's made up a new verb. You know, I just, you know, just try to figure it out myself because that's how I'm wired. Because if I. I didn't even think about it. But now this is how I'm wired, personality wise. If I go to somebody else, I'm going to get their interpretation. I already knew that. So I'm like, I want to figure it out myself. Am I making this up or whatever? And so I just kind of sat back and I. This is. I talk about this in my third book. I talk about this angst that I kind of went through and I. This questioning that you're talking about. I talk about this. You're very astute. Actually, Alex, it's not just the service stuff, because I say it's. Otherwise it's cocktail party talk. I don't care. This is not that I was going to talk about. This was stuff that's internal to me. I talked to about it with one friend for decades, and then maybe a small handful of a six or eight of my closest friends after that. And I've told them to keep their mouth shut because I don't want. I don't get locked up. You know, this is like my experience and it's my journey about me. So then I started teaching this stuff recently. Like, recently for me is eight to 10 years ago. And so now I've written this book, but, you know, it's all getting out there, but it's not about who I was, it's about what I did with it. And that's what my book is all about. And that's what my teaching has always been about.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Yeah, it's not. It's because the, the stories themselves are. They're stories. They're wonderful stories. They are. It's like watching a movie, but it's about the message of the story that you can then apply in today's world.

[Calvin Chen]

Yay. It's about living in the present. It's not about living in the past or, you know, ruminating about the past or pining away. Oh, I wish it was like that.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I wish I was back to being that red giant.

[Calvin Chen]

Exactly. The redheaded giant again. Exactly. No, it's, it's, it's. It's about how does it inform me to help me in the continual present which I'M living in all the time. To me, that's, that's what I teach and that's how I use this.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So then let me ask you this because you seem, you were very reluctant and held on to this for so many years. This information. When did you decide to come out of this past life closet?

[Calvin Chen]

What was it? I think it was, I don't know. If you go on my YouTube channel, sure you, you, you get a more

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

accurate answer, but not the exact date. I'm not concerned about the exact date.

[Calvin Chen]

I'm more exactly 4 or 5.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So then what was it, what was inside of you that said this is the time for me to open up

[Alex Ferrari]

and take this leap?

[Calvin Chen]

Well, maybe it was a little bit longer than. Well, the four or five years ago is when I came out more publicly, I guess. I, I started talking about my Carthaginian slave lifetime in my first book. So that was 2015 or 16 when I wrote that. So I guess that's when I first came in public. So what really kind of I guess nudged me like a strong nudge was in 2014, I organized an event called the 30th of November Talk. We'll call it the 30th November Talk. 3 0th November.com is the website we created where the talk exists. It's not a talk by me, but I organized the event and what happened was my good friend George, who I mentioned in the previous story about finishing my dream, he, he's been emerges in acquisitions. He's retired now, but he was emerges and acquisitions lawyer for 25, 30 years. Big global law firms, etc. I say that because he's not a psychic, but he and I've been meditating for so many decades. He's been meditating, you know, a couple years less than I have. So I've been meditating 52 years. He's been meditating 50 years. Okay, so we're about the same time. And it's like, okay, opening up, opening up, opening up through the meditation. He got a download. He got a visit. When his sister died in his house. She came and brought a bunch of, we'll call them, old friends from previous lifetimes to him who asked him to do this 30th November talk. As a result of that 30th November talk, I was involved. They came and visited me from the other side also, etc. And not just me and George, but there were several others who got visitations. I know it. I know of at least 20 who contacted me and they got visitations. But these are 20 people I didn't even know around the world when I was organizing this. And so that kind of, to answer your question, that was I guess the seminal event. If you want to. Something pushed me.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

When you say visiting visitations, what does that mean? Were you like seeing ghosts? Were you like what was going on?

[Calvin Chen]

Communications from the other side, you know, you've probably had people on talking about that, right? Sure, of course, yeah. So telepathic communications from the other side, etc. And as you know, because of all your previous guests who've talked about it, that can come in many, many different forms. Sometimes you can see there and energy body, Sometimes you just hear them. Sometimes you have a feeling, a tele, you know, you know, you know, telepathic communication. Sometimes it's a combination of all the above. It varies. So we were having, there were a number of us having a, A lot. First it was George, but then a number of us were having these communications. We'll just call them from, you know, folks on the other side about this, 30 November talk. So that was. And with the talk just in this, those of you who, you know, have, you know, when you go to the website, you'll see it's a talk about the history, the explanations of why certain things were done in the beginning and in the beginning, days of beginning millennia of the Judeo, Christian, Islamic, Vedic traditions. So it was the. Some of the progenitors of the Judeo, Christian, Islamic, Vedic traditions giving a download as to. Well, this is why we did this. And we're trying to do a social, this is my, my terminology, a social science experiment to help humanity. That's my terminology. Okay, and let's try this and let's try planting a seed and let's send a prophet down with this message and let's send another prophet down with that message and plant these seeds and the prophet will come down and then teach and so forth and so on and then, and then spread these concepts. We're talking over the last, let's say 10,000 years roughly. Okay,

[Alex Ferrari]

we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you upgraded your everyday comfort? We talk a lot about self care on this show, but sometimes this is about the smallest things in life. The pajamas you sleep in, the blanket you wrap around yourself after a long day, and the sheets you sink into at night. I've been loving cozy earth lately a lot. Their bamboo pajama set is ridiculously soft, lightweight, breathable and Made of the softest bamboo fibers I have ever felt. It keeps you cool and comfortable and honestly makes getting into bed feels feel like a little ritual. And their classic cuddle blanket. Next level, plush, perfectly weighted and the kind of comfort that instantly helps you unwind after a long day. Now what really sold me on them is their quality. They back everything with a 10 year warranty and a hundred night sleep trial. So you can try it out, really live in it and if you don't love it you can return it hassle free. So if you want to bring a little extra comfort into your life, head over to cozyearth.com and use the code and next level sole for 20% off. And if you get to the post purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. And don't forget guys, take care of yourselves. Do a little self care. And these are the things that really make life a little bit more comfortable.

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[Calvin Chen]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Calvin Chen]

So that's what the. So I organized that, you know, event and it happened in Alexandria, Virginia outside Washington D.C. and as I said, 2014. So I guess to answer your question, I never thought about it until you asked me because you're asking interesting questions like what kicked me in the butt to kind of start.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

No, but to put yourself out there because this is not, listen, this is, this is a room clearing conversation, man. This is not like hey Everybody, I remember 6,000 years of my past lives. Generally not the best coffee talk.

[Calvin Chen]

I select my audiences. You know, look, I have a career previous to doing what I'm doing now of working in law firms. Right. I was, I was a lawyer. I was working.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Very spiritual space. Very spiritual.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, exactly. Right, right. I'd be at these legal conferences, talking to these lawyers around the world that travel. I'm traveling around them at this conversation. Anyway, you get a couple of drinks in them and more than a couple drinks in them, you know, I'm drinking my, what they think is vodka, which is my water in a glass, you know, and then, you know, and they're, they loosen them up and they're like, calvin, what would you really like to do? Because, you know, they tell me how, how much they hate practicing law. And I don't you really like to do if you get the heck out of this, you know, industry? I said, well, I don't know. You know, this is like 20, 30 years ago. I'd say, I don't know, I feel like I'd like to help people with death and dying issues and help them, like, you know, just, you know, get on with it and, you know, be, be comfortable over. And they said, really? You got to do that? I said, yeah. I said, I have no idea how I'm going to do that, but I this, this you asked me, so I'm telling you. And of course, next morning they're sober, they completely forgot that I've had that conversation with them, you know.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well, let me ask you this. Why do you think you were chosen for this, for this kind of information? Because, you know, from what I've spoken to and I've spoken to spiritual masters, I've spoken to nd ears, I've spoken to a lot of different people on this about this topic, past lives. The reason, and I've asked certain people, why can't we remember our past lives? You know, a lot of people always ask like, oh, if, if reincarnation is real, why can't I remember? Why am I this? Is this, this amnesia? And the, the always would have said is that like, if you had the information of all your past lives, your, your current brain couldn't deal with it. You barely could deal with what you have in this lifetime, let alone baggage and traumas and other things from past lives.

[Alex Ferrari]

You would just explode.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So why have you been given this ability? And why do you think you were chosen for this kind of memory that you're even doing with it right now?

[Calvin Chen]

So I, I, I, it's interesting question. So first of all, I'll work backwards with you. So I don't think I'm chosen for this. I mean, I think that I have chosen. I don't think there's somebody external chose me now, sure our do I have friends on the other side who externally say hey, Kel, get out there and start talking about. Yeah, I have had friends on the other side telling me that for 20, 30 years. And I've said no. No choice.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Free will, of course.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes, free will. So I've had. I've had nudges, let's just say. But it's my choice, so I'm not chosen in that way. I think really it distills down to one simple thing with all kinds of nuances, of course, but which is that I don't have a fear about a lot of things, so I don't have a fear about death and dying. So I've ex. I can. I can go and experience my death in a number of different lifetimes. So I talk about my book, but, you know, so I've experienced that. I can experience it. I can experience the memory of it now, even. Right. And it doesn't freak me out. Freaks me out. It. It affects me, but it doesn't overwhelm me. Okay, let's say.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Because you remember dying in other. Up. In other.

[Calvin Chen]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's one. And then I. And. And that's one fear. But I think a bigger. That's one big fear that I think prevents a lot of people from remember. But. But I think an even bigger fear is embarrassment, you know, or shame or embarrassment or, you know, like, because people hold themselves. They have an idea. Everybody has an ideal image of who they want people to think of them as.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Of course, the mask.

[Calvin Chen]

It doesn't matter what it is. And it's. It. It. Everybody has a different ideal image of what you know, it's their ideal image. And you don't meet that. People feel. They get embarrassed sometimes people get shamed. They feel guilty or whatever. I'm like, man, I. I'm secure within myself. Is who Kelvin Chin is, who Kelvin Chin has been in the past, or my soul. Not Kelvin Chin, but who my soul has manifested in the past and has done some stuff that maybe not so great. You know, that's not me now. I know who I am now. I'm not worried about being tainted by that. I think that's a big cautionary barrier or whatever you want to call it for a lot of people, creates a barrier. The other thing is to, you know, to the way you kind of summed up what you'd heard other people say about your. Why are. Your mind would explode. I don't know if explode is the right word. I'd say your. Your mind wouldn't be able to handle it because of the fears of the guilt of the shame of the trauma that it could. It could trigger in somebody. And that's one reason why I say to my students, I say you don't have to remember your past lives in order to fully develop from a spiritual standpoint. You. You look at your emotional patterns is what I advise them, because the emotional patterns are. Are definitely linked to your past lives. So look at the emotional patterns. You don't need to remember how you died or what was going on on the battlefield here, or I was almost dying on a piece of wreckage when I was a slave in the Mediterranean. I don't have to remember all that nasty stuff. But if I look at my emotional patterns, I can learn more about who I am today, because those emotional patterns in my experience are what have carried throughout the 6,000 years of my memory so far. And that's what I talk about in the last half of my book, is all of that stuff. The first half is kind of like you said, stories. The last half is a different sort of stories. It's the stories about the inside, not the outside. Right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

How so? Let me ask you, do you think that you. That you go farther back than the 6,000 years and you just haven't remembered?

[Calvin Chen]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I think I've been. Well, you're the first podcast interviewer who's asked me this. That. Where I've had. Since I've had a recent experience that literally just. It's not even going to be in my third book because it's going. My. My book's going to the interior designer guy who's going to upload it.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Calvin Chen]

But this just happened within the last 48 hours. Okay. Oh, wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

This is a fresh. An exclusive, if you will.

[Calvin Chen]

You gotta. Whatever you call that, you know, you gotta. Yeah, whatever they call that in New York, which is. Happened to me in the middle of the night. I got up to pee, you know, whatever, you know, and I come back and I'm so. I'm not. I'm not asleep yet, but I'm in that going to.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Between.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah. And I started speaking in another language. This is going on. And I tell this in my book. It's been going on since the 1980s. I just babbled. I could stop doing it. It's not like somebody's. Something's controlling me. I could stop, but I'm in that relaxed state, about to go to sleep, and I was not speaking the familiar language that, like, familiar, like the. The language that I've. The native indigenous people language that I've normally been speaking in the past for decades. It was something else. And I had a, A vision of myself in the Southwest. Not in the Great Plains, where I've had many visions of. Lots of memories being in the Great plains in the 1800s. But this one was ancient in the Southwest of what we call our country now. But you know, the South America. Yeah, North America, Southwest. I, I don't know. 8,000, 10,000 years ago. Something a long time ago. I don't know exactly when. So it's just a, I just had a little window into it. You know, it was arid, it was dry. I knew it was in the Southwest.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Was there anybody else around?

[Calvin Chen]

I don't know. I, I don't know because I fell asleep. Because, you know, in this like, you know, you know, a couple, I just, I, I fell asleep and then I don't remember what happened. So you've.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

But, but it was, it was obviously a different, A different experience in that space.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes, it was different and it was different from all my other ones.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And the language you were speaking is completely unrecognizable.

[Calvin Chen]

Unrecognizable.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I want to ask you this, Calvin, because you have such experience with past lives, do you? How do you think that we have evolved as a species as, as humans on the planet for so long? Because, you know, obviously history now that, that, that ancient history timeline, it continues to be pushed back by new. Like by the Gokapelle in Turkey. And I can never say the Name pushes back 11, 500.

[Calvin Chen]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

All these kind of things past going back. Some people are even arguing 30, 40,000 years back is where different, different civilizations have come and gone. You know, again, all that kind of stuff. I'd love to hear your take on it because you have this kind of experience of so many different past lives and experience so much. I'd love to hear your opinion on that.

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[Calvin Chen]

I think, I guess what I could say is that I think what we tend to do in 21st century earth is judge the sophistication of a civilization by technology. And I think that's a big mistake because this is what's persistent, not this, but our mind, our consciousness, our soul is what's persisting through time. Technology can come and go, you know, I mean. Oh yeah, I mean look at ancient Rome. I mean I watch a Discovery Channel years ago, it's Agent Rome. They had, look at these brain surgery tools and they had ancient Rome 2000 years ago or 2500 years ago, whatever it was. And they had today, 20th, 20th century, 21st century tools and they were essentially identical. Okay, right. But they were lost in between the middle ages. There were none. All of that was lost when the Roman Empire went down the tubes. Right. So, and it came back again. So my point is that over the millennia you go back 40, 50,000, I don't know what you go back. It's the consciousness that's continuing and yes, I think we've developed, but I think there's more. More self awareness back 40, 50,000 years ago than people will give the 40, 50,000 years ago archaeological digs credit for. I'm not saying we were more conscious then than we are now. I'm saying that our judgment, our assessment of how conscious the civilization was is based on artifacts that we find. It's based on things, right?

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Because they think, oh, we have planes, we have cars, and we were much more advanced. But there's things that the tech and I heard Graham Hancock say, this is like when we look in the past, we look for our technology in the past, and that's what we rate everything against. But you're not looking at what their technology, the technology that was created then. We still don't know how the pyramids were made, something. There was some sort of technology that built that and, you know, that was more advanced than what we could do today. They figured something out.

[Calvin Chen]

Not only that, but you asked for my perspective. Here's. Here's something for you. You look at the iPhone today in the Samsung, Galaxy, whatever. It doesn't matter which one. You got smartphones. Are you telling me that the smartphone development is a direct result of the 8 billion people's consciousnesses on planet Earth today? I say no, you're dreamland. You're living in a fantasy world. There was a small percentage of those 8 billion who are on planet Earth who created the smartphone. There's a small percentage of the human race at the time who came up with electricity or the wheel or the this or the that. Okay. Judging the. The. It's. It's kind of like, I don't know where this came from. It just popped into my head. But I grew up in Boston. Okay, what's there? Harvard and mit. I can't tell you how many people in the Boston area walk around. We're wearing Harvard and MIT sweatshirts who, Who've never. Who'd never been to college before. So are you telling me that all those people who are now wearing Harvard and MIT sweatshirts have the wherewithal consciousness intellectually or whatever you want to. How you want to measure. Right. Just because Harvard and MIT exist in the Boston area and they're breathing the same air. Air. That's the thinking that people have where. Well, we've got smartphones now. Okay, yeah. Like, tell that person who says that. I would say to them, yeah, what did you contribute to the smartphone? Right. I'm sorry, it's the real. But that's the perspective. You're asking me my perspective is that always a very, very, very small percentage of people who really move the needle in civilization. That's my experience over 6,000 years.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

There's no question, there's no. In every industry there's a few trailblazers who usually get the arrows in the back and bloodied because of the first one through the wall. Always in every industry, from sports, Jackie Robinson, Michael Jordan, you can start all of them that do what they do and everybody then also when they do it, then everybody else says, oh, it can be done. And then all of a sudden magically, in the next five or 10 years, other people start doing something that was before thought impossible. The four minute mile, things like that.

[Calvin Chen]

Exactly. But we forget that that's a, I think when you point that out to people, they go oh yeah, yeah. But then they don't transpose that to the questions that we're talking about. Civilization.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And also, don't forget also that there is this, this phenomenon of the same thing coming into existence at the same time. Because Edison was doing electricity here, someone in Europe was doing it as well. And of course Tesla as well was doing it. But, but at the exact same time there was the Wright brothers here and in Europe there was another group that was doing it as well at the same time. Patents were this, patents were like days apart from each other. I mean, so there's that phenomenon. But we could go down that road. I mean, favorite topics, we can go down there forever. I wanted to ask you because you, you know, you, you talk about the past lives, you talk about reincarnation. How do you and your, I love your whole energy Kelvin, because you were just kind of very pragmatic about this whole thing. You're not deeply, you know, woo, woo. I use the word you're not like this and that you're not there. That's what I like about your perspective on this. How can you explain reincarnation to somebody who doesn't believe in reincarnation? It doesn't jive with their foundational principles, that they were programmed with that. But youth essentially. How do you explain it in a logical sense where you can have an

[Alex Ferrari]

intellectual conversation about it?

[Calvin Chen]

So, so the first assumption is that they're curious because if somebody is not at all curious, I don't, I don't go there. To me, I'm not here to change. I'm not a preacher, I'm a teacher. So if somebody, I'm not here to change their belief systems. That's what a preacher does. I'm not here to do that. So if they want a little bit insight and maybe a little bit more understanding. I talk about the first law of thermodynamics. You know, matter cannot be created nor destroyed, so energy cannot be created nor destroyed. And matter is made of energy, so energy cannot be created or destroyed. First, large thermodynamics. All right, Conservation of matter. Conservation of energy is sometimes what it's called. All right, that's what I hang my hat on. Because if that's the case, then what are we are. We are biological bodies. Well, some people will say that, and I'm not going to argue with them again. That's their belief. They don't believe in atoms and molecules and, you know, and so forth. If they don't, that's okay. There's some people that may not believe in atoms and molecules. Okay, fine. But I think most people will believe that we're made up of atoms and very tiny particles. We'll call them whatever we want to call them. Tiny, tiny particles that at their, you know, you get tiny enough that you're talking energy is what we're talking about. And so if. If that cannot be created nor destroyed and is permanent, is eternal. It is uninfluenced by the continuum of change. That's what eternity means. Eternal means. Then it has to continue. And if it continues, how does it continue? And so my experience is that it can take on a different form. Reincarnation.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

It's an analogy. I understand your analogy, and I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second because what you just explained. And I already drank the Kool Aid, so. But I'm just going to play devil's advocate. Is that what you explained is the physical death. Because you're right, we will die. We will decompose in the earth and we will transform into a tree, into something else, into a plant that feeds. We will. Our energy will continue and will continue and continue as far as the physical is concerned. Yeah, but you're using that as an analogy for the spirit.

[Calvin Chen]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

But you have to. You have to cross the cavern in the. In the belief that there is a soul or spirit.

[Calvin Chen]

Exactly. For that, that's impossible. That's impossible.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Right.

[Calvin Chen]

It's impossible to. First of all, none of this is in. Is possible to prove as in a theorem, as a right and an absolute. Wrong answer.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Correct. Correct.

[Calvin Chen]

So these are interpretations. I say this right up front in my book. These are interpretations. And now can we take interpretations and put them through the crucible, through the filtration system of whether or not the evidence supporting it is reliable or weak or stronger. Oh yeah, yeah, we can do that. We can look at more reliable evidence rather than less reliable evidence. So I talk about what, what is more reliable evidence and so forth with these reincarnation experiences. But still, it still isn't, still, it's not absolutely provable. So but here's an idea that I'll plant a seed in your head. This is, can, can start to get very abstract here. But of, of the idea of a soul or a mind or a consciousness that's independent because that's really what we're talking about. Okay? It is. It is. Does it exist? Independent.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Calvin Chen]

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[Calvin Chen]

And so if we look at the universe, I'm just going to give you the broad brush on this. Okay? First, so if we look at the universe, what, what's one of the fundamental principles that exists in our known universe is entropy. Entropy being is, is, you know, things if left to their own devices, will degrade and become, we'll call, chaotic. Okay, so entropy. If I move out of this apartment and I just leave everything as is, if you come back to this apartment five hundred or a thousand years ago, maybe less than that, this paper is not going to be here anymore. It's going to be degraded, sure. Ash, dust or whatever, you know, you know, probably my iPhone case will still be here because it's plastic. So all the plastic will probably still be in a bar. But that's the idea of entropy, is that things left to the degree it degrade. So what, what, what can we look at that gives some. Again, this is not absolute proof, but some reliable evidence that we can hang our hat on that demonstrates that there's something else operating besides this principle of entropy which think everybody would agree exists throughout the known universe. And that's that there's something that can do things within that entropic universe that can change entropy. Like take sand and heat and make a glass. There's something that can do that, or that's a human example, or take dirt and pile it up in a certain way and create little, little tunnels in it that creates a 2 or 3 foot or 6 foot high termite nest. There's something that's doing that. And so, and I would argue that it's individual, that that's. That termites have souls or whatever you call it. We have souls. Now, they're not the same, but they have the ability to disrupt our entropic universe. Disrupt, meaning create stuff that's not entropic. Right. Like a beaver. If you just let the woods go, the woods Is Gonna eventually over 3, 4, 500 years the wood's gonna fall down. You know, you just go back. You don't have to go back that long. Go back after five or 10 or 20 years and the trees are falling down, there's been a fire, da, da, da, da, whatever and then whatever and then some of the trees have fallen over the river and this and blah blah. But look, you go back not that long ago and look, these animals called beavers have actually constructed a thing called a dam. We call it a dam across the river. That is violation of the entropic universe rules. Okay, well you know what? A soul is doing that. Making free will, conscious choices. To have the bedroom of the beaver dam over here and then take this tree and it conscious consciously make making something happen. You see.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Well the, the, and, and for people listening that might go well wait, wait a minute. They can't. I mean not everything has a solar conscious. But I'd argue to say that that beaver has a program that's inside of it. It will never make a dam outside of a river. That's not what a beaver does. The termites will never do, will never build the Eiffel Tower out of dirt. They can't do that. But they have a programming, simple basic programming that gets more complex as we go up in species. The plant has the consciousness to follow the sun to get. There's something inside of it. There's some sort of code or programming or consciousness that does that. Even blades of grass do it. There's something there.

[Calvin Chen]

So something.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

There's something, there's something going on. And that is what I think my show is really all about is trying to answer the mysteries that we all see around us but can't put our fingers on. There's something going on at a deeper, you know, spiritual conscious level that we can't understand or explain. And that's what I thrive to try to get out of people in this show like yourself who are walking a different path than most. Most people don't have six to 8,000 years of memories of past lives.

[Calvin Chen]

And we don't have to debate the termites or the beavers because some people, they don't have souls. Okay, okay, fine. You don't think your dog or your cat has a soul? That's fine. That's okay too. You don't think that they have free will and they, you know, that they, you know, they, they, you know, they make choices. You think they're programmed or whatever. They don't have a soul or whatever. That's okay. But with humans, I think we could pretty much agree that they are very unpredictable souls, humans, and they just do all kinds of wacky stuff and sometimes it works and sometimes the building comes crashing down because somebody didn't follow the building code and they got lazy and they just did whatever and you know, tragedy happens. You know, I don't mean that jokingly, but it's just because people make free will choices based on humans do for all kinds of reasons. Financial, religious, ego, just laziness, you know, whatever.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Calvin Chen]

There's a range. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So let me ask you, with all these memories you have of past lives, do you have any memories of in between lives?

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah. So one of them surfaced fairly recently and like since I was writing this book, I started actually writing down when certain things were happening. It was January this year when I was swimming. I swim three days a week, I do laps. And when you do, you know, repetitive stuff, you kind of.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

It's a meditation.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, it's like a meditation like, except you're physically moving but you're kind of in a meditative mode kind of thing. So I'm on my back and, and, and I had this, a mini experience, just a very quick flash of being on the other side. And I, and I, and I detail this, how this happened and how it unfolded in my, in my new book. But the short version is that I, I, I, I, I, I saw, I, I saw I was on the other side observing earth at around 1978, 1918 ish or something like that. And I, because of a previous lifetime, memories, memories, I'm on the other side remembering a previous life. Then it was influenced by a hundred years earlier, 200 years earlier, whatever. I, I decided, I, I thought I could see that there was going to be another war after the end of the First World War. And I decided to, to come in. I was born around 1918, 1919. And I came in and I was, and I fought in the Second World War. I was a blonde, blue eyes, I fought, I flew F4F Wildcats off of the USS Enterprise and other aircraft carriers in the South Pacific in World War II. But I, but I, but the answer to your question, I, I had this, I saw myself what I was seeing down here and, and I figured out, I connected the dots and figured out what parts of what I was seeing when it wasn't what normally people would think. You know, the British and the American, you know, fight the French fighting the Germans and forceful, it was the Russians. I saw what the Russia with the Russians and The Germans, what was going on with the Russians and the Germans. That's what made me think, oh, this is going to blow up again.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So you saw the writing of the wall, if you will.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, but, but, but the Russians, I saw what happened with the Russians and the German fighting.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So when you were up, when you were looking down, did you see anything else or would you just remember seeing Earth and that was it? You didn't see yourself?

[Calvin Chen]

I wasn't seeing, well, I'm down on the battlefield seeing this and I wasn't like that. It was like I was in another world. We'll say this, you know, on the other side, kind of. And I knew, I knew I was looking at what was going on in earth. So I'm figuratively speaking saying I was looking at earth, you know, but I was, I was aware of the events going on on earth from the other side.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And you were deciding to come back or not.

[Calvin Chen]

More accurate way of saying it. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

You decide. But you've never had, you, you don't have any memories of like being on the other side or life between lives as far as like.

[Calvin Chen]

I have memories, yeah, I have, I, I, I have experiences being on the separate from those past life stuff. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I have experiences now, you know, since 1986. Off and on. I've had experiences of being on the other side and just, you know, the field of light and then it, and it's just, it's all light. It's not a field of light. Just it's, it's energetic and so it looks like it's light. And the fact that we can do whatever we want to do and basically you think whatever and so forth.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Calvin Chen]

And you can travel around really fast because you're, you don't have a biological body, I don't think get in a vehicle.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

So it's like thought, you're basically moving around in thought.

[Calvin Chen]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Is there anything on the other side that you remember that would, that would be interesting to discuss? You know, a hall of records, a council of elders, a bar. A bar that you'd like to go to.

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, exactly. It's more the latter than the former. Things options that you gave. It's more the latter. Seriously. I mean there's, there's, there's lots of these councils. So let me just, I'll kind of answer it this way. There's lots of councils that, you know, people talk about the council of elders, the council of this, the council of that and the council of this and that. This is like a gajillion councils. It's in my afterlife I teach an afterlife class A six part afterlife series. One of the first things I say in the session one is there's the other side is more like this side than you people realize because people are blown away by how it's different because it is different. You don't have biological bodies or anything. Okay. Fine. All of that. Yeah, it's a given and it's energetic, it's over it. But all of the goings on will say that are really orchestrated by what? Not a biological body, by the consciousness, by the mind, are still being orchestrated by all of the range of minds that you've ever run into on this side or if you've had an NDE on the other side or whatever. It's the. Still the full range of minds. That's what people. People think that. Oh, on the other side, everybody's enlightened, everybody's perfect, Everybody is like, gonna be nice to me. Well, not necessarily. You have. It's. It's like people die. They don't all of a sudden become geniuses when they die or whatever. Or all of a sudden people who are narcissistic, all of a sudden they're on the other side and they're no longer a narcissist. No, they carry that with them not just into the other side, but into thousands of lifetimes back on earth again and again and again and again and again until.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Until they overcome it.

[Calvin Chen]

Until they. Until they want to overcome. Yeah, until they. And it's a choice because some people just. They. Some people are caught up in the cruelty cycle. And I'm sorry, this is a whole other lecture, but, you know, and it's just hard for them to get out of. Because it works for them. But no, the other side is more like this side than the other, than the people realize. And so there are lots of councils. There's tons of councils. There's not one. And so my teaching is to people on this side is to discern, discern, discern, to distinguish. I help my students develop filters so that when they're on this side or the other side, they can discern and make their own decisions and not be. Go down a. Not be sold a bill of goods by somebody who's incredibly persuasive or incredibly powerful and bright. On the other side. The fact that some a being is incredibly brighter than other beings doesn't mean anything. I mean, there are people on this side who are incredibly powerful beings in human beings. Powerful, who I would never want to be in the same room with, never mind have a relationship with. Right. The power does not mean wisdom. That's one of my fundamental teachings. And most people are swooned by power on this side and the other side and the other side. So don't be hoodwinked by somebody or being. I don't care how bright the light is. Make your own. That's my, that's my instruction, my suggestion.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Kelvin, I can keep talking to you for hours. Sir. A little bit. I could talk to you for six or 8,000 years.

[Calvin Chen]

We have an eternity, Alex. You just keep fighting each other. We're good to go. All right.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

I'm going to ask you a few questions. I ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Calvin Chen]

To me it's, it's not complicated. To me it's, it's, it's figuring out what works for each of us. And we're each individual souls and everybody's unique. So we each have to figure that out ourselves. And, and, and, and how to do that by, by, by, by trial and error, quite frankly. And by, but by specifically looking at what of my desires and, and then my subsequent action, thought and actions connected to those desires is working and what's not. And don't keep going down the road that's not working. Learn from that. To me, that's, to me, that's, that's the road to happiness. That's the road to inner peace and contentment. That's, that's, you know, that's what I, that's what I suggest.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

How do you define God?

[Calvin Chen]

I define. Well, how do I define God? I don't see there, that there is a need for God in the way that other people define God. So if there is no creation or end, there is no need for a creator. Now, could there have been a creator of human beings? Yes, but not of the soul, is my theory. Okay, again, these are not provable. Ironclad. Right. But my logic and my experience so far tells me, and my logic extension tells me that we are eternal and therefore no creator of my soul necessary. Now, could somebody have created plants like you used to plant example or whatever? Yeah, somebody could have been a creator of that Some beings or being could have. That's possible. If somebody views God that way, then I could buy that. But I don't, I don't, I don't view there a need to be a creator in, of the soul or whatever. If it's. You can't have eternity. Start after something's created. That makes no logical sense. Okay, but you hear that all the time, right? That kind of cognitive dissonance. So that's what I'm referring to. Does that make sense?

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

It makes sense.

[Alex Ferrari]

It makes sense.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

What is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Calvin Chen]

I think that, I think every individual has their own purpose. And whatever that is. And it's developed. Each person has to develop that themselves and, and and refine it and change it as they go through their lives and lifetimes in their own one life or however they want to look at it. Very personal.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And what would be a piece of advice you would give your younger self?

[Calvin Chen]

My younger self, I would say relax, open up. Maybe ease up on yourself and don't be so hard on yourself.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Very much so. And where can people find out more about you and your books and in your work?

[Calvin Chen]

Yeah, yeah. So I got two books out so far. Got. This is the first one. Overcoming the fear of Death. It's a non religious approach to helping people overcome the fear of death. So the four belief systems I talk about in, in here are belief systems that underly and support the religious and cultural beliefs in the world. They're not religious cultural beliefs. So it's non religious approach. This is A collection of 67 essays I've written. Marcus Aurelius updated. It's called 21st Century Meditations on Living Life. 67 Essays on Emotions, Life principles. There's a chapter on meditation essays. I talk about forgiveness, spirituality, suffering and happiness as a spiritual chapter in here. You know, talk about ego, God, sure. Karma, etc. My, my, my third book is coming out about my afterlife experiences. The easiest way to reach me probably is just Google my name. You google my name and I'm the first couple pages on Google. You'll see all my websites pop up. I have four websites. The easiest way to navigate all the websites is go to the bottom of any one and there's hot links to the other three. That's the easiest way. You don't have to remember what they are. And then my YouTube channel link is there also on the bottom of every website page.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

And I will put that in the show notes as well, my friend. And what is your. Do you have a final message you'd like to leave us with?

[Calvin Chen]

I think the really the final message that I tell people is just relax, you know, enjoy life. Enjoy being in your physical biological body while you're in it. Because whether you remember it, you, you did this or not, you chose to come here, you chose to be in here. Now the choice may have been a very concerted like conscious choice or it may have been like, yeah, I miss getting drunk. And then boom, you're down here. And it may not have been a very well thought out choice because you forgot that you had to get a job in order to buy the alcohol to go have fun at the bar. There's nothing wrong with having fun at the bar, but you gotta, you gotta pay him. Yeah, you gotta pay your, you know, you gotta pay for the, pay for the beer. So I seriously mean that. Just relax, enjoy being here. Try to do it. My advice in as least cruel and hurtful way as possible because it comes around, it bites you in the butt and, and, and, and it's not a great way to be a happy person is to create more people around you who are unhappy. Yeah, that's what a cruel person does. So learn from that and, and, and enjoy life really.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you upgraded your everyday comfort? We talk a lot about self care on this show. But sometimes this is about the smallest things in life. The pajamas you sleep in, the blanket you wrap around yourself after a long day and the sheets you sink into at night. I've been loving Cozy Earth lately a lot. Their bamboo pajama set is ridiculously soft, lightweight, breathable and made of the softest bamboo fibers I have ever felt. It keeps you cool and comfortable and honestly makes getting into bed feel like a little ritual. And their classic cuddle blanket. Next level. Plush, perfectly weighted and the kind of comfort that instantly helps you unwind after a long day. Now what really sold me on them is their quality. They back in everything with a 10 year warranty and a hundred night sleep trial. So you can try it out, really live in it. And if you don't love it, you can return it hassle free. So if you want to bring a little extra comfort into your life, head over to cozyearth.com and use the code nextlevelsol for 20% off. And if you get to the post purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. And don't forget guys, take care of yourselves. Do a little self care. And these are the things that really make life a little bit more comfortable.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Alex Ferrari (Interviewer)]

Alvin has been an absolute pleasure talking to you my friend. It has been a hoot to say the least, my friend. So I appreciate you and the work that you're doing in the world, my friend. Thank you again.

[Calvin Chen]

Take care. Alex, Good to see you. Thanks.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation with further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 249 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at NextLevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul. Let me ask you something. When was the last time you upgraded your everyday comfort comfort? We talk a lot about self care on this show, but sometimes this is about the smallest things in life. The pajamas you sleep in, the blanket you wrap around yourself after a long day, and the sheets you sink into at night. I've been loving Cozy Earth lately a lot. Their bamboo pajama set is ridiculously soft, lightweight, breathable and made of the softest bamboo fibers I've ever felt. It keeps you cool and comfortable and honestly makes getting into bed feel feel like a little ritual. And their classic cuddle blanket Next Level plush, perfectly weighted and the kind of comfort that instantly helps you unwind after a long day. Now what really sold me on them is their quality. They back everything with a 10 year warranty and a hundred night sleep trial so you can try it out, really live in it and if you don't love it, you can return it hassle free. So if you want to bring a little extra comfort into your life, head over to cozyearth.com and use the code and next level sole for 20% off. And if you get to the post purchase survey, let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. And don't forget guys, take care of yourselves. Do a little self care and these are the things that really make life a little bit more comfortable.

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[Calvin Chen]

Go team.

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